Sad Boyz - TikTok Conspiracies Have Destroyed Our Brains

Episode Date: November 15, 2025

Sad Boyz Nightz 139: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠100+ bonus episodes on Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠✨find us everywhere✨⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎬 CREW 🎬 Hosted by Jarvis Johnson and Jordan Adika Produced and edited by Jacob Skoda Produced by Anastasia Vigo Thumbnail design by @yungmcskrt Outro music by @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Stab Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. I think when people are really, really specific about what payment platform they want to use to like, like for like any kind of personal purchase or something, like, yeah, like a Facebook market buy. When they're really fussy about what payment platform, that's suss to me. That to me is like... Well, if they said gift cards or something, I'd be like, what is happening right now?

Is that happen to you? Give cards is like actually a scammer thing. Yeah, it happened to my mom. Did she go out? Well, no, she didn't because the moment, the moment they said gift. The moment if they, the moment they said gift cards, she was like, that's good. This is not, this is a scam.

100%. They got to figure out a better way of doing it because it is scam coded. It's really, it's the contemporary version of I'm a Nigerian prince and I got some diamonds for you, sweetie. Yeah. Sometimes if it's like just, they will only take like Zelle. I'm always like, I don't know. Well, here's a thing.

And I'm going to defend these people, actually. I'm going to take a little bit of a devil's advocate. And I am the angel. There have at times been scam vulnerabilities in some of the payment apps with, like, your ability to charge back and things like that. And Zell being a bank transfer tends to be safer. I don't know if this is true anymore. It's not currently, like, you know, PayPal have been moved. They're the same company.

and I don't know of any current vulnerability, but there's been weird things in the past where a random person would send you Venmo and then say, oops, that was meant for someone else. Can you send it back to me? The thing about cash, though. That has the Angels non-advocate. Right.

Kind of pissing me off. Yeah, but the other thing, the thing that scares me. Give me what I want now. The thing that scares me is, I get that we used to be a cash-based society. Used to build things. We used to build things in the country every week is infrastructure week. The thing that scares me, though, is if I'm trying to buy concert tickets, which is what's happening.

And you're not pissed. And someone, well, I'm going to tell that story. But if someone wants cash, a little crazy to me to be carrying around hundreds of dollars just cash. Oh, that would be a cool. Cash cash. Ooh, I should start walking around with like $100. PayPal problem. Too cutesy of a name now in retrospect.

Well, it was a different. time. I'm your pal. I had a weird thing happened to me yesterday where I was trying to purchase something for work and it automatically logged into my Shopify account. And when looking at all my addresses, you know, they're all my name, including the last one, which was my name, and then an address in Bulgaria, which I'm like, hey, that is, I have never shipped something. I've ever been there. I've never known anyone that's in Bulgaria. And so I was like, uh-oh. That is. That is, scary it's like go through all my transactions yeah so like someone was logged into my shopify account added a bulgaria address but i checked all of my transactions none of them were ones i ever didn't

recognize called my bank and was like have there been any transactions from or to question mark bulgaria and they were like not that we're seeing and the thing was only my credit card attached to the account which is easier to like yeah for sure get fraud off of it but like i was just like what why did they go in there at it and not do anything it's annoying so that's scary to get it to good a quest you've been on. I do want to speak on my quest, but there's also been like Uber scams where, you know, if you ever get a text that's your two-factor authentication or like password reset and you didn't, you know, request it.

A lot of times, it doesn't even mean that it doesn't even mean that someone has your information. It's just like doing the shotgun approach to see who will provide their code, panic, you know. My, uh, flashing back, not me as a 17-year-old, getting an email saying that somebody had gotten access to my bank account, panicking, clicking the link in an email with like a bunch of broken graphics, obviously fake, clicking the link, putting all of my bank information to verify myself, which you wouldn't need to do, uh, on a website that I then noticed the URL was

Labrador's for sale.com. That's, and that is like more or less how John Pipp. Podesta is how Hillary Clinton's email has got leaked. It's how, because John Podesta got spearfished, which is like a type of attack. Fishing with a pH is like when you are trying to get people to click on links that are your fake links and put in their fake information. Spear fishing is when you're like specifically targeting an individual. A fuller 17 year old boy. Yeah.

That used to happen at my old work a lot and. You used to work at the Louvre. As a spearfisher. I mean, I think that's why they would do that is because it's like, you know, it's like a, if you work for an institution that has like a bunch of valuable assets like that, it's like, yeah. You're only as secure as your weakest link. And in many cases, your weakest link is a human being who hasn't been properly trained or educated about these types of vulnerabilities. and it's how sim swapping and things happen where people like steal your phone numbers it's how you know major companies have leaks and hacks because someone the weakest link in the chain

somebody who just started at their work and is still onboarding and gets an email that seems like it's uh it's official and then ends up like clicking on it and then you you're your valve and you're having your source code leak or your, you know, Patreon had their source code leak back in the day. For us, it was... They've never made a mistake. For us, it was a 60-year-old something, a curator.

Yeah. Who often would ask for help in like just getting into their phone. All this is to say, I'm trying to buy tickets to camp flock. No. I... If you're listening to this when it comes out, go, go, go. Send the ticket now.

First of all... I can only even go to one day because I've got to, I've got to, I've got to go to Camp Flog. And then I was like, nah, because I'm doing, well, I might be able to go to the day too. I've got a magic thing the next day. It's my, my draft, my rotissary draft is the next day. So I'm stoked about that. But it's in the morning, so maybe. But anyway, I went on Facebook Marketplace, as you do.

and because we were like had some friends over and we were all like planning to go and we were all like sending around links okay this person's got these tickets for sale let's do this blah blah blah I send like five messages to people about tickets now concert tickets the thing about them is that the concert happens and so there's a time window in the future it usually happens from when you're buying it in the future it happens from when you're buying it so you have a limited time windows so you're just getting closer sometimes you want to be a sometimes you want to be the wolf of wall street and like make a quick buck and other times you realize that it's a 100% chance of rain on both days and actually there's going to be less interest but anyway i'm getting out of

myself so hey is this still available default message you can send on facebook marketplace someone goes no actually and then they end it jacob has a story about that um and then we've been airing grievances off microphone it's been i woke up this morning with a headache uh we started super late i appreciate everyone for being um being flexible so we've just been gabin but anyway we've been gabin speaking of valve uh okay dude i'm killing i'm on one this headache might be good might be good news i think it was my brain growing yeah the uh send another message hey you know if these are still available we'll love to pick these up and they're like great text me I make a little note to myself

because it was like midnight when I read that out I was like I'll text them in the morning I'm not trying to have a late night text with a Facebook message person You up Are you still available? Is this still available

And I This I'm just gonna read the interaction we had Your phone is cracking under the rage That you're gripping it I'm so normal You haven't shared your contact I should share my contact photo

Like hey just checking in what do you think of this photo uh i said hi it's jarvis what's the best way to pay and with meeting at three work and that's why we were talking about all these various ways of pay they said cash would be easier i'm like okay oh sorry this is actually the one that was successful so that was a normal person i said hey it's jarvis would love to pick up the flognaw stuff today they said i have a concert today at this location i don't know if you want to meet up after which is already like after your concert i'm like what is that going to be like 10 p.m. You know, how many shows you go and do this week?

Yeah, no wonder you had to sell these tickets, yeah, and how much... It's Tyler. And by the way, the listing, the listing had a price on it. It said, Flognau tickets for this price. And then I said, hey, is this available? One would assume for the price. And they were like, text me. And how much were you offering?

I have a few offers right now. Okay. Oh, the princess being courted by the gentleman visiting the royal court. I didn't know we were in, like, a, normally on Facebook Marketplace, if someone's doing the offer thing, they'll say, or best offer, OBO, they'll put $1 on the listing, and then they'll, let's, let's, let's, let's OVO, let's, yeah, let's OVO, let's October's very own, and then, uh, and I was like, oh, I was just planning to pay that asking price. because I don't like an unbounded offering situation. I'm not going to... Not here to bother. Not to mention.

It's like you have to, if you're selling something, if you're going to be the Wolf of Wall Street, you have to identify whether you're in a seller's or a buyer's market. Especially when there's a deadline. Especially when there's a deadline. And one thing that you should do if you're identifying yourself to be in what type of market you're in is looking at how many listings are already. pretty cheaper than yours.

Dude, this is on the internet. This is what got Jordan Belfort caught. Yeah. And so anyway, stuff he did. I was like, hey, I was just planning to pay the asking. Because I'm like, if you want to play ball, you can say, hey, my highest offer is whatever, can you match that? If you really want to do this.

But they were like, it's okay then. I have offers higher, so I will go with one of those. Thanks, though. And I'm like, cool. I mean, like I didn't, it's like they negotiated themselves out of, talking about anything. Yeah, it takes me. Okay, sure thing.

I want to buy the ticket. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do. Actually, what do you got? You got anything cool I can have? Why is it the reply, oh, well, this person's offering this much. Would you pay me more money than that? You have to figure it out.

Yeah, well, that's the annoying thing. The quest. Why would you give me your number to do this move? Why wouldn't you do this move on Facebook? Is this like a weird, like, established keynote? know like you know value yeah yeah yeah there's also just something really sketchy about that being like let's chat off the second they said that I went to their profile and was like this is a real person yeah because I I also am like if you like reporting them to Facebook marketplace

they can see all of your conversation and stuff for them being like text me and then asking for more money it's like are you about to give me fake tickets it's like is this a scam it's so easy to be normal and one example of this slogan for 2026 yeah the uh the and you know it's not in every way easy to be normal but i sometimes it's hard sometimes it's hard you're normal pills i sent i that's what the point of mask is and so like i for a different thing i sent a message hey is still available and then they were like oh hey did you just buy this for me on ebay and i was like yeah and i was like oh actually i think we have mutual friends let's let's meet up and do it that way so you know you don't have to pay the eBay fees and all that stuff and i was like okay great that's how how normal but that's like

a cool set of maybe you could do one of those meetings in like um a mid-tier stephen cigar movie you know where it's like a warehouse by the docks right you have a suitcase and you bring it up to the center they have the package right and then you don't know that they're an expert martial artist and there's a red dot that appears on you and it's so what was this about uh buying concert tickets right yeah yeah i was there was in a few yeah yeah i was doing a screenplay i've been working on it's right no that makes sense uh but yeah so how you feel now you because you won't feel in well oh i'm feeling okay i uh i was worried i i because first of all i got to sleep late and I was already like, this is going to be what I talk about on the show.

You're up text in the cellar like, I don't know. How much do you? I was like, I'm like, are you thinking about me? Um, $200. What? I was already up late and then I finally got to bed and then woke up and had a bit of a headache and I was like, well, this doesn't seem very good. And I looked at the time and I'd only been asleep for like three and a half hours. And I was like, uh-oh. And my mouth was really dry. I, like, had a slight medication change, and the medication, like, causes some dry mouth. And so I was like, okay, maybe I'm not hydrating enough. Why just, why just take the bad bit out of the medicine? Right. We need a USB stick. We need, like, an iPad that you rub on your forehead and it gets rid of the headache. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we have, like,

Ninja Guide and four. Like, I'm glad to have it, but could we have put the money towards building a special iPad? So I went downstairs. I went down here, and as you can see right over there, I took my abnormal pills, the Tylenol. Oh. And I also, I hydrated, not sponsored. I used our not sponsored electrolyte beverage. Powder, powder. And I was just like chugging it because I was like, this, I have to be, this has to be like from dehydration.

But then I was like lying down trying to wait. You know when you're like waiting for the meds to kick in? You're like, damn, this sucks right now. It's like a, like a, it's not like an estis flask. You have to wait for the health to like build. You're taking, like, in and then one HP every five seconds for two minutes. Literally, it's all ticking up. Yeah, it's not an instant health.

It's a region over time. You're like, I'm not even fighting right now. Just do it. Yeah, and then I was, like, starting to have some chest pains as well. And I was like, and then I didn't even say this in the text of the group chat. But also, my tummy was hurting. I was like, bro, what is going on right now? Descending down.

I was like, now it sounds like I'm making excuses. I have collapsed arches. Yeah. I have a deceptive. Yeah. And so I woke up again, round two, at like 11 a.m. And I felt a bit better. And I was like, okay, we can do this.

I was like picking up the, I feel like the first thing I, you know, when you wake up and you're like in a daze and nothing you do make sense? I hate that. You're watching your body from like five feet away? Well, I like ran some water over my head. And the shower. Right. And then I went over to my, my.

dresser, grabbed some socks, walked back in front of the mirror, put the socks on. Standing up. What the hell of my feet? I didn't grab, like, any other clothes. And I was like, why did I do that? The hell? Why haven't been the socks on my hands? Yeah, that was, it was a very bizarre.

And I chuckled to myself, I was like, brains are crazy. It does sometimes feel like you are, uh, you're playing like the Sims and you can incentivize them to do something specific. But if you leave them to their own devices, AFK is like the morning. And then all of a sudden you come back and like, they pissed on the floor. What the fuck? I have a toilet. What the hell happened?

Oh, I left them in a pool with no letter. It's a weird day, but it's a good life. Oh my God, he's shut down. Put that on a t-shirt. Did you guys like my t-shirt? It is really honestly a very, very good teacher. I'm super stoked about it. It was like a little surprise from San.

Santa. The creator I bought it from, and I'm Santa. It's TYT attire, an attire is spelled with a Y instead of an I. So shout out, because this sure rules. Is Santa just a delivery man? He doesn't make the toys. No, he also runs the workshop of his unpaid labor. He very specifically makes, like, crap wooden trains.

But he doesn't make them the elves are. Okay, yeah, but he's running the business is actually the harder part. Being a CEO, it's like a ton of work, you know? That's why he has to make the highest salary. But their little hands are crafts, they're the craftsmen. Well, yeah, but they're half the size. So he needs double of the boys because that's why they're supposed to make him full-sized trains. But their hands are so small.

I think he's a glorified delivery man. I don't like him. You don't like him? No, I'm done with him. He did sell out to Coca-Cola. Yeah. I will say. That was a compromise on his part.

Yeah. Kind of a Charles Fuster. It was actually his idea to do the. He did the generative AI. God, if he could be any lazier. Can we do a minor update on that? The Coke thing, I feel like immediately after we put out the episode, the head of AI or whatever at Coke was like, guys, um...

You talking about me on podcast? Well, you guys are making fun of us. I want you to know that it was actually just as expensive to make this as to make a not generative AI ad. So who's a fool now? So who's the fool? Yeah, I may have lost my wallet, but I poop my pants. So...

Um, yeah. Uh, would a loser P. himself he mentioned how much work went into like fixing things right because it's like why not just use artists from the get which is like a thing we called out like yeah it's like oh yeah like you're gonna have to fix the text and then a lot of artists online we're showing the um like the truck between different scenes and they're like here it's a truck with eight wheels here it's a truck with six wheels like bicycle yeah it like doesn't like there's no consistency and that's always the problem with generative AI because it can't you need yes literally

this they're going where no AI has gone before um it would be really like this is like a pitch on shark tank like I want a new kind of truck that will fall over every time is the like wait can we have a truck with all wheels in the front that's what the fourth one yeah literally sparks flying off of the back yeah yeah it's like don't hopefully you're not load bearing in the back you're just gonna like be popping a perpetual wheelie there's gonna be I mean there's gonna be a an avalanche of coke just flying out of the truck well it's gonna that's why it's the

tis the season that's why it's snow everywhere that's my question about all of these AI actors and and pop stars is like they can't get their face consistent well that's the whole thing nothing can get anything consistent because I don't even know

what you would have to do it's like to the to the machine it is a completely unrelated question exactly there's no context make Justin Bieber looking at this angle in a snowy environment done now make Justin Bieber in a snow environment from this angle that's a whole new right it's a whole new thing and now they've got a reference angle but it's going to like they used so many different AI tools too for this and I think Jacob pointed this out before where it's like it's possible they even got like free credits from

these yeah from these uh AI partners but even still like I just don't understand no you know I was going to say I don't understand why so many people just don't think about stuff but then I remember that you really kind of don't have to especially if you work at a company that's really big the first truck doesn't don't trucks like that

like have wheels in between those first two wheels because like to not fall to not like the center of it to collapse in on itself So that, like, a single bolt in the middle of the same snap. Because that is a glorified U-Haul right there. Yeah. That would be, it looks like Mr. Bean's car. The most realistic truck. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, also because, so if you look at that third one, the truck alone has two wheels at least. It has to, because you put the- It needs to function as a car. It needs to drive on its own without the back attached to it. because you attach the different... The Lusel of truck go round and round.

Like, they can't... They do go round and round. You think you fell out of coconut tree? You exist with everything in the context of the game. Looking at the fifth one, it's like, that's really not possible. No, that's brave, though. That's brave.

That's so funny. It's crazy because, like, damn, they could have just not done this. It's just not done it. I could have even just done a whole CGI ad. Well, the crazy thing about CGI is that you model the thing, and then you have it from every angle. Yeah. And you probably

have it from last year. Yeah. I can't imagine the Coca-Cola truck that they rendered last year is like, that doesn't look realistically get a bowl anymore. We need the panda to have different lighting. That shout out of the panda is so I think about that all the time. Just the perfect. Which is like, quote unquote, perfect lighting. The Hollywood reporter interviewed

one of the AI studios that were involved with this. And an LA-based AI studio named Zada. I'm glad they're doing this because it's like it's like uh everyone's like telling on themselves yeah that's like the uh the the the journalist that are i do yeah the journalists that are like yeah let's have him talk let's have him say some stuff you're so smart huh sorry the the company is called secret level but the owner is jason zata and he has a quote in here that really made me think like

oh you have no idea what's going on secret level like a game that That's cool. He says, the reason our spot tested so well last year was because the average consumer doesn't really care. With our due ad, we go around the world and see animals from different parts of the world. We put happiness on faces, smiles on faces. It's like an eight-year-old describing like their drawing. Aminol from everywhere.

Why would you get mad about something like that? Wait, could you say, did he literally say, we put happiness everywhere, we put smiles on face like he double-dipped on that quote yeah how could you get mad about something like that is such a silly like you're a crazy thing to say because you could say that about anything i simply stole from a guy and get and made another guy happy i'm putting a smile on somebody's face i am doing how did you get mad at that yeah i liked having it so i took it and i'm smiling and you're mad at me i'm making money and you're mad at me i stole his kidney to how have it.

And now I live. And what are? Ads control in a really wild life. How could you get mad at the, about that? I got weirdly enough, yesterday, sometimes, you know, when I'm really in my, when I'm going sick or mode, by which I mean when I'm like either, like, vacuuming or just walking around the house, I'll either find my, I've been trying, like, to reduce the amount of time that I am rocking in airport.

I'm trying to like, just try and condition myself to not instinctually, like, when I stand up to go and get something while playing a game, get my apples out of my pocket, put one in, and, you know, just that, just to like, kind of stress test the capacity. I'm doing a not great job at it, but it, you know, I'm trying to be alone with your brain. I just want to see what it, you know, the impact. If I'm walking around with no kind of stimulation happening, one of two things happen, I can begin ruminating on something that is not upsetting me, but it's like I get a little obsessed with a. an idea that doesn't matter but gets locked in my brain, or I get really obsessed with a bit that's only funny to me. I would walk around the house and be like, oh dude, prosthetic for skin with quick time events.

And I'm just laughing at myself, doesn't make any sense. I really enjoyed, I texted to Austin, girls, the yes, epic, and then we'd never share it, like, say on a podcast right now. I'd said this time around, I wasn't getting locked in that idea of white supremac's watching the amazing race and being disappointed.

I was obsessed with like, the desire, because we kind of had it when we watched the Coca-Cola ad, the desire to, like, correct or fix the behavior of something like evil or cynical or something. Yeah, like seeing this happen and be like, well, why didn't you just do this? And like, net positive for people to make fun of Coca-Cola. That's cool. Fuck them, right? Sometimes when I see, you know, quite often in our extended community because of the industry we're in, I'll often see somebody that gets like embroiled in some kind of controversy that

might not be at the scale of like you know like jail time or something that like is objectively not something you just repent for it's like something you actually have to take action more something like wow this this guy was really uh emotionally manipulative to his ex right let's say if you can imagine such a thing happening in the extended creative community the first thing they do is put out a post saying that they're a liar And then you're kind of like floating, you're like, okay, what's going on here? The month goes by. They go on somebody else's podcast, talk shit about it.

And it's like, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, I'm not sure if that is even just the wisest idea. And then all of a sudden, they're getting broiled in this conflict with their ex in a public forum. And then six months later come out and they're like, I just want to apologize and say, yeah, I did do all of that stuff. And like, and the thing is I was, I know I'm rambling. This might not make me sense. But I was getting obsessed with, like, is it... healthy that whenever I hear about something like that, the first place my brain goes is, wow, they should have done this.

Like, this thing would have actually gotten them their career back and looked better, not because it's the ethical thing, but because, like, I'm trying to access a, I'm trying to access a psycho's mind, you know? I feel like when I watch true crime, I think that that way sometimes too It's like Why would you bury the body four feet? Go deeper

Or even like It's like when people watch true crime And it almost feels like They're preparing themselves For the worst You know what I mean like Okay I can learn from the mistakes of Like you know

Yeah Oh even from the victim's perspective too People like I wouldn't know I guess from both sides Because like Half the time Someone does A poorly thought out crime

you're like well you should have thought it out more but I don't want to do the crime yeah I don't want a more efficient murderer yeah I want to say like maybe even on this very podcast I have been like this person should have done this or they should have their their argument would have been more supportable if they had put it this way but they are saying something bad right I don't agree with like I mean it's like a logical fallacy we where it's like, well, it's like you don't, you, you, you've, there's a foul on the play. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like at least, at least don't, don't do that because now you've walked yourself into a, a trap. But I think it's, I don't, like, the question of, is it healthy? Uh, I think it's normal. I think it's natural to, like, almost like you're looking at puzzles and being like,

this is how I would do it if I were going to kill my spouse you know what I mean No but like if you're watching a true crowd thing You just got married I could be completely off base here And this is not based on real This is based on a vibe

And a feeling I'm already on board So it feels natural That when presented with a scenario You would imagine how you would act in that scenario Because if you If you found out someone

and, you know, was attacked by a tiger or something, you know, you go, oh, yeah, John got too close to the tiger. I don't do that. Yeah, got to not do, okay, you live and you learn. Tiger's house is like not guy house. So I do feel like from a survival standpoint and from instincts and best practices and wisdom for survival is probably a good default strategy to like have, like whenever presented with a conflict or a scenario.

Yeah, it's like a way of learning. Exactly, exactly. So it makes sense that you don't ever want to be on the run from the cops. I mean, I don't know, but maybe, like, I don't ever want to be on the run from the cops. But if I was dropped into, like, when you have like a nightmare and you're like, oh, fuck, I'm on the run. You're like, you're in the situation now and you have to act, you know? Or even like watching a friend hold a bagel from the bottom and cut it and then cut their hand.

How do you have access to something that incredible? to be specific. Because I've cut my hand that way. No. But being like, my friend was watching this and she said she always remembers this when she's about to cut a bagel and it makes her do it the right way.

So it's just like a natural thing to- You were like one of those, Where did the Soda go infomercials? Yeah. You are black and white. Has this happened to you? And it's like you're just chopping off your hand. This is what happens every single time that you,

the way you renegade rest your drinks on that chair, brother. Oh yeah. I think there's nothing wrong. Everyone thinks there's something wrong with it. Everyone think you're outnumbered. That's fine because it's not on the side of all the cards. And also, I want to say, I think now with a degree of self-consciousness, you were shielding that.

You were a point guard on that. You were like, yeah, look, I just rest it right here. My abilities are such that I can elegantly navigate around a precarious drink. And I believe you. I forget that other people don't have my skills. That we're operating with these plodding, worthless, high gravitational bodies. I'm like you floating like a spider. Exactly.

Like, while I'm aware of my limbs and my physical space and location, something could happen. Beyond act of God. That causes me to briefly, momentarily, refocus on something else and lose sight of, like, because it's like I have in my mind palace, like, where everything is located. But if, like, someone throws a baseball at me and I need to, like, catch it, I might move my elbow into... I didn't construct my desk space baseball ready.

I wasn't baseball equipped. I mean, we do live in earthquake country. We do live in earthquake country. When you fault, it's not my San Andreas fault. Anyway, let's look at... Let's look at... So, Jacob's prepared a table of TikTok conspiracies, and can I just say I love a table? Jacob has good formatting instincts.

Every time something has to go into place. Yeah, he's very organized. I recently in our group chat gave a polite roast of Jacob, which was like, what was it? I was like, this is something Jacob would do, and we would improve our lives. And you know what it was? It was labeled light switches. And you know what I have in our living room? I have labeled light switches.

Well, because I, see, the thing is like, I know my limitations as a. like I can be very pragmatic and functional and I can be very like vibes and style the marriage of those is not always my strong suit you're multi-classing Jacob and so I it's like as much as I've wanted to just use my regular label maker on the light switches I'm like the vibes are off yeah that that's why I'm very proud of my my Pokemon card situation in my house because um Pokemon card situation's crazy yeah you should be ashamed I'll tell you because because I have them all in like binders and stuff and I used to just as a kid like used just like a three ring binder with the pages but now I'm like well I have these nice like all the colors go together

these like faux leather binders and they're all on this nice shelf and they're all displayed well and my mom came to my house and she walked into my room and she goes you're very good at merchandising remarkable

thanks your mom has an elegant relationship with the English language that is also not the word I would use a lot of kind of like verbiage and stuff that does make sense but I've just never kind of seen it used that way before.

Yeah, I relate like this, it's like from, from this angle, you're like, oh, this guy's cool. What a beautiful tome. And then little do you know that it's actually a card. Well, actually, so before we started recording, Jarvis was like, one moment and walked to the shelf, pulled this beautiful tomb off the shelf. It opened it up, revealing. Opened it to Jordan and was essentially like, um, how? Can I interest you in one of the, like, you're going to make a deck for Jordan. I'm going to make it.

You pulled a dome off the shelf, showed it to Jordan and no one else, and started talking about runes. And we were like, okay. And you said, can I see? I said, no. I was, uh, I've been playing riffbound, the new League of Legends card game. And, uh, I want my friends to play it with me. And so I'm, uh, building, building decks.

I literally, I brought it up a spoke deck from Jones. I had it, but it reminded me of a funeral home director being like, which, of these beautiful casks. Yeah, mahogany. Is it more or less complicated than magic? I would say it's a similar level of complexity. It's beyond you, for sure. Yeah, no, I know I'm agreeing with you.

So rude. I watched you try and play solitaire the other day and the cards were the wrong way. I would never try to play solitaire. What's crazy, though, is because it's a newer game, I've been thinking to myself, the more I play other games, the more I think about how beautiful magic's design is.

Oh, it's like you don't know what you got to do it. Well, it's like, it's like because if you are designing another game, you can't crib everything they did. And you do have to zig sometimes instead of zagging. And you, they've taken the terminology. You end up walking into, uh, there is a equivalent to like the stack in, in, in, in Riftdown. Uh, but it's not exactly the same. Thinking about how the stack works in magic, it is a complex system, but very solid. A hundred percent functional.

It, it's like very solid. and in like not intuitive like it's a system that like doesn't have many exceptions you know what I mean like it works the way it works it's getting into and through like refinement of it yeah yeah yeah because they didn't used to have the stack michael angelo just went like I'm gonna was he's like I see the guy inside the marble and then just makes it and then you're like well okay well I want to make a marble thing how do I do it he's like it just has to be perfect it is through refinement because like magic didn't start that way and in fact I think that the cool thing about

riffbound is that it's in these early stages and there's even things I was talking to like one of the designers of riffbound about like how technically some of the reminder text is like not accurate but like because like there's

cards that say hey you can use this at any time and I'm like well not anytime but I also understand why that is on the card because if you're playing at the kitchen table this doesn't fucking matter for all instance of purposes anytime, just have fun the, we're not saying

sorcery speed right now because that is, yeah. No, but it's like, yeah, so, but anyway, Yasuo um, I was going somewhere at home, playing games. You're saying how you kept trying to chew

the Pokemon cards because they look like treats. Yeah. Well, I saw it's for Rolex card and it was like, oh, cotton candy. Well, we were like half joking, but if you were to share with the class what your hobby has been the last couple of days, I think.

Oh, I've been coloring. That rules. I was in a really bad, and not, like, I didn't get an adult coloring book. Those stress me out. I went, I went to Target, I bought Crayola markers, crayola colored pencils. That rules. And a big-ass Pokemon coloring book. My therapist always recommends this to me.

I do think that there's, like, a missing chunk of my brain that, uh, I, I, I think it's the same chunk that doesn't appreciate nature as much as I should is also that doesn't want to color. I have never fucked with anything you've said more than this is. You're exactly correct. It is the same phenotype in every sense. Yes. It is the part of the brain that gets to a really high point, like looks at what should be a beautiful view and it's 70% as beautiful as everyone. keeps telling me it is.

Yeah, well, I feel like I'm an alien. Conspiracy. I feel like, sorry, alien. He doesn't talk. Well, he doesn't speak English yet. I feel like an alien because it's like someone will describe a beautiful, a beautiful view to me. And I will go, mm-hmm, yep, that's a beautiful view. But then I will paint a figurine and there's something.

It's like it's, it's eeked over into. logistics enough for me to get it's yeah oh I mean I have to gather the paints and I yeah when I'm sorting cards dude Zinn I we were on a Sunday some people were over for football and I had this big table of all these rift-bound cards and I needed to put them in this binder in preparation for me it in preparation for you and being able to hang out with people while organizing was like it like it didn't feel rude because we were like just watching football and I was able to still engage in conversation and stuff that is like peak for me that's like the buddhist

it's like it's like my fidget cube or something that's why like i've like i'll i'll do it while we're color while we're talking or just hanging out or watching something and something that's always like made me less anxious has been like doodling and so i was trying to get more into drawing but then i realized drawing stresses me out because i'm a perfectionist and if it's not perfect but coloring is just like especially when you're using like a child's coloring book right that's there's no pressure and you can judge yourself against children and go you guys suck and you go to suck look how well I colored Pikachu I'm all the way in I'm mostly inside the line have you seen the way I shaded shaman that was pretty good more like shade men because that's me

right now I also finished a page put it on the fridge what I'm taking that off the fridge I'm hell yeah dude go get a coloring book I'm putting in the bathroom stores there's probably coloring books There has to be. Go to your thrift stores in general. Thirstores, I mean. I've found so much good stuff recently at a thrift store. The thing I wanted to say that I had forgotten that I whispered to Jordan is that a part of my brain that isn't missing is that when I'm really jazzed about something and I want to share that with people, I'm, that's fun. And I was going to play this League Legends card game.

I never played League of Legends in my life. I don't know anything. But then again, I got into Heartstone, not knowing anything about wow. And so I'm used to that. Plus, enough people I know who play magic either design this game or interested in it. And so I'm like, fun, fun for me. And so I went to a little out of my way. It was like I went to a local in Sherman Oaks, you know.

Got that down on the finding Jarvis's address? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little out of my way. I'm in Kansas. It's lovely. I just love league, dude. I posted, like, a little story. And this is another thing where it's like, I hate posting,

but this is the only good thing about posting to me. So I post a little selfie. I'm like, at my riffbound local, feeling nervous, L.O.L. And then Stans, Nathan Stans was like, oh, I want to try the game. Is it fun? And he's a league guy. You used to work in Gen G.

He was a big e-sports guy. East sportsman like conduct. Yes, sir. And then I was like, oh, you know what, because card games and peeps can attest to this are in a weird spot right now where, you know, everything is flying off the shelves. But a lot of LGS's, you know, card game stores want to get product in the hands of players. And so they tend to only want to sell product at their like at normal prices to regular customers, people who are like engaging with the game. I, because I had opened up a bunch of product, didn't need to buy the starter decks. but I was like, oh, this would be, I was like, hey, I'm actually about to leave.

Can I just grab you? Would you be interested in a starter deck? So then I go back into the store and I'm like, hey, can I buy some starter decks? And they were like, are you going to come back next week? Because I think it was a buy one per, but they let me buy two because I was going to come back next week and I will. And then I just, this is like 9 p.m. I drove it over to the stances because I was like, feeling so jazzed. I was like delivery service.

They're also not in Chivenox. Jardie's delivery. Yeah, so it was a, it was a bit of a drive, but they're closer to me, but I won't tell you where. And so, and also, Rochelle is due like in December. Literally like that, maybe. Like literally the baby is coming. It's talking. It's the, and that's a part of what I'm going to say.

So I arrive with the cards and I love being friends with a couple because I have like a different relationship with each of them. Like, you know, like Rochelle and I talk about our feelings. and other things also. Stans and I talk about games and nonsense, you know? Yeah, I like to consider myself the marriage of that married couple. Yeah, exactly. And so I get there. I was going to stop to get food,

and I ended up not because some streets were closed, and I went the other way. Rochelle was like, you got here at the perfect time. I'm making dinner. Do you want to join us? And I was like, I feel like I hit the jackpot right now. And like, Rochelle had made ravioli. and so then I sat down with them ate ravioli talked about what was going on in my life

what was going wrong in my life because I was also some stuff so I had some personal stuff happened that I'm like feeling down down and out like I was supposed to get dinner earlier and all the things were closed and everything was closed I couldn't get my raising canes and so and so then I you know impromptu got dinner hung out with their dog Sophie bionic woman nine years old um she's got like like a titanium leg or whatever now. Big head. Big head, pit bullhead.

So, you know, I love those. And, and then I taught Stans riffbound after. And I was like, what a beautiful evening. What a day. And didn't you feel the baby kick? And I felt the baby kick. From Nate. Yeah, he actually kicked me.

He's who I called the baby. He's my baby. He's my baby. He is baby. Yeah, and then, yeah, the baby kicked. And I was like, high five. And then I explained Evangelion to Nate and Rochelle

and said this is like LCL The baby is inside of the The cockpit right now They were stood at the front door like Yeah you're in home now And I was like I mean honestly how long do you guys have I'm not even to the movie yet I can't wait for them to have a good

So that the kid can start talking like Nate Google Gaga I want to go to Bye Yeah But, yeah, dude, for sure. I can't wait because then Stans is going to be easy pickings in our basketball league. Yeah, we're going to snap them.

When he has to focus on. He was like, hey, can I play fantasy basketball with you guys? And I was like, yes. No, but he's going to have something to die for. He's going to have something to fight for. He'll be up at, like, 4 a.m. trying to get a baby back to sleep and just setting his line up. That's so true.

We got to kick him out. Knowing Nate, he'll be up at 4 a.m. explaining to the baby why it shouldn't be crying. puts the baby right. There's no point. I also just, we've talked about it before, but we've known. Nate, because we used to work together, I guess a lot of people don't know this. We've known him for so long now. I mean, going on nine, 10 years almost, yeah, almost as long as we've known each other.

And, like, they used to, Nate and Restans. What the fuck was that? Oh, that's fun. Nate and Rochelle, uh, it's about time we make somebody else's name. Yeah, they, they used to live in Oakland, um, in the Bay. And, and, uh, it's like cool to see, like, how they've grown. It's, like, watching, uh, it's like the way people describe reading one piece up to date. They're like, dude, I remember when I was in middle school, I was reading this part of One Piece, and now it's like watching that narrative change and grow with plenty of our friends.

But I think especially our friends that have like had the noticeable checkpoints, the like the trope ones, you know, like married, house kid, dog, like the old little bumps. It's funny watching that and like it's like when I try to remember like, what the hell was going on in 2014? Oh, I was playing Dark Souls 2. So it must have been I was living in this house and I was eating a rotissory chicken every day. Yeah, me last night trying to go to bed. I'm like, what was that equipment called in Harthstone? I wonder if I can

remember it. True silver champion. Still got it. Six one by the way. And a half. That's why I give you a headache. Oh, fuck. What's the paladin and hero power? All right. Well, speaking of conspiracies.

Let's get to it. I'm not as good as my segways, but... No, I'm trying. Don't invite competition. Speaking of segues. A segue to... Right off a cliff. Like the CEO of the guy who invented the segue.

Is that set? Is that too soon? No, not soon enough. He's still... People don't know that. It's not... He didn't? Is that lie?

No, I've met him. No, I thought he was dead. No. He died in 2010. Wait. Oh, there are two guys. There are two guys. Sorry, there are two guys.

There's one guy his job was dying and one guy's a job of staying alive. The other guy is, was. I think he may be... Well, like, they still need to have a CEO. Like, they still had to... You probably met the... They wouldn't, like, forget it. Shut it all down.

Oh, he wasn't the one who invented Segway. He bought Segway and then died into that. Yeah, the guy that invented, so Dean came in. How long did he have the company? But the guy who owned it did... Jimmy Heseldon, the owner of Segway company, who died in a clip. A cliff fall in 2010 while riding one of his scooters.

A cliff full? That's a weird way to say that. I guess it does involve both of those things. That's very sad. He was trying to make way for a dog walker. The actual guy that invented them is Dean Kamen, and he was the president of First Robotics for a while. Oh, shout out for robotics.

So he got to meet him at the World Championships. Is he alone? He is still alive, I believe. All right, let's watch Dark Forest Theory. Dark Forest Theory. What's this about? That sounds cool. So Jacob has prepared a table of TikTok conspiracies that we're going to take a little peek at,

and you were all, I interrupted your soundtrack. He did a very cute. I love that. X-Files. Nice. I think that was Jacob's song. Okay, so this is Joe Rogan or? The Joe Rogan curtain from what I can tell.

He's had everything on. Every reputable source. Can I set this? scene a little bit because I do think some of these conspiracy theories that were a joke or kind of fringe have become kind of mainstream and I do think we have Joe Rogan in large part to thank because he will have all of these guys on and he'll he won't intellectually challenge them he's like open to a lot of different ideas like literally any idea yeah aside from like anything that's not real aside from I don't know we should like adjust the tax bracket for people making

over a trillion dollars or or it's like anything that politically disagrees with him then he's like Jamie look that up no look it up again look it up better you idiot look it up better you idiot what is the hell is snopes check the google a i check that's not real go a you can buy those so this is the dark forest theory and it has to do with space and aliens and contacting other life you want to take thoughts should we take a i'm talking to our alien huh we take a guess at what it is uh the dark forest theory. Okay, what would make it a dark forest? The fact that aliens landed there? Well, there is something where it's like, you're walking in a forest, it's daytime. All of a sudden, everything's dark. From night.

Aliens are contacting you, and that's why. Oh, is that, is that, is that your guess? That's my guess. Um, my guess is you're walking in the forest and you go, I don't, I don't appreciate nature as much as I should. I don't be organizing cards. I'd rather be organizing cards that are made out of these trees. Yeah, my hobby's the opposite of this. Yeah, that's my dark for the series. And I go, look at that bird, and Jarvis refuses to look at that bird. I'd rather hear a Pokemon crowd.

I'm looking at the bird. I'm going to go with, so like the, I feel like the conspiracy theory crowd. Dark has, I feel like, been more and more kind of co-opted into deep state government stuff. 100%. So I'm going to go with a dark forest is like a manufactured government environment. And then when you go on a hike, they take your kidneys or something. Oh, there's got to be, we've discovered in satellites that there are these government black site forests. With Starlink.

They're actually the area 51 of trees. You know what I mean? They're actually not real trees. These are made out of like adrenaline crone or something. Okay, let's see. Now I'm like. Let Josh Brown and wrap for a visit. Dark forest theory says that if you attain a certain level of technology, the best thing you can do is just be quiet.

because the universe is a dark forest and the first person to stick his head out dies because you don't want a competitor in your region. Oh, I've actually heard this. It's talking about tall poppy syndrome, right? So, well, tall poppy syndrome is... The most social constructive. Yeah, but I think this is more about

why we haven't heard from aliens, which is like, I think, like, one of the answers to the Fermi paradox is that, well, they wouldn't reach out because they're two technologically advanced to want to do that. Right, because they know that it would cause problems. So basically, yeah, they're saying that they're like, is a high probability that there is other life out there that is complex and has technology, but everyone, including us, is like.

Hiding their power level a little bit. If you go out looking for stuff, it might come for you. Right, right. I don't think it's a crazy theory. Let's see what else he says. This is like not too. It's not wild to me. No, it's not too wild.

I think it's an interesting, like, thought experiment. I agree, I agree. I'm curious to see if we get a reflection from Joe Rogan's big, shiny brain on, like, do you think we could maybe learn new kinds of jiu-jitsu from these guys? Yeah. You think they're here right now. It's close to some technology that could make that they're on a path to threaten you. You've got to take them out.

You've got to halt their technology. This is a problem. It's kind of based on that. That's what they do in the books. Oh, yeah, three-body problem. I also feel like Stephen Hawking talked about this. this. I guess he's on the Epstein list. But he like, he didn't contribute. Some crazy allegations came out about him, right? With his like nurse or whatever? Yeah. Yeah. The Epstein one is pretty

bad also. But I mean, he contributed to science before that. He like did science before. But, but he talked about, I want to say he talked about some stuff like this about how humanity shouldn't, like, try to be found because anyone who could find us could be dangerous or whatever. I'm also assuming I don't know people don't like my alien takes because I have the least fun ones and people are ready for that

because my brain's too powerful and shangling like Joe's but I it's it's more like the statistical issue with alien contact is the incredibly small window of time if we're saying like a comparable civilized

technologically advanced culture that has the same way of presenting itself like it's corporeal in the same way we are and isn't just like a gas which like wobbles to have sex. It's like a fifth dimensional being or whatever. If we're pitching that, then we're not only pitching that specifically, we're also

pitching that they are active within the amount of time that we would also be receiving the like we are, our civilized age is so fucking small versus the amount of time we've been around. And we haven't had technology that could reach other planets for that long. And if we get it, we will be, the civilization will gone within a thousand years. We will not, our civilization will not exist in a thousand years will be dust again. And then maybe we'll look, but like, it's crazy. Because things are so far away. Like, we know that there's no civilization within a day's travel from us.

Right. But I, yeah, it's like the, it's like we don't fully understand the like phases of, like, because you can't know what you don't know. You know, it's like when you try to predict the future and it's like flying, cars or whatever. We don't know the stages of advancement. And so like a lot of these things are like, well, if they kind of need faster than light travel to be possible or or like folding like space time and crazy shit like that. That's all like very theoretical. And the desire to like inner face like and like shoes like that that I think is what always bothered me

about alien conversations is like dependent on so many tiny facts. other than do they, does some water, have some germs in it? That's like completely, now we're saying like, yeah, but, because everyone's kind of coping and being like, yeah, but no, I want to fuck Garris from Mass Effect. Like, don't you, wouldn't you want to observe first? I would take one look at us and be like, I'm not going anywhere near these. I absolutely think you would observe.

But the thing is, but the other thing is, we can only think in the confines of like how we. we would be we would observe linearly and write it on a whiteboard yeah yeah and so it is interesting there's a um hank green uh friend of the show has a lot of good videos about aliens and he also is like loki beefing with this like a Harvard uh astronomer uh about this about whether or not this uh object that we discovered is like um an alien object or not which is kind of funny flash of the titans Batch of the Titans. I'm always Team Hank. Because, I mean, he's, like, got a very, very rational take.

Because he's like, I want there to be aliens, too. Like, it's just the, the, you know, Occam's Raids or the odds that certain things. But this is interesting. I think that these thought experiments are interesting. Curiously, what the hell is the etymology of it being a dark forest? Let's keep watching. Yeah, let's keep watching. What if he says the N-word at the end or something like that?

That'll be awesome. It's a theory. That seems to make a little more sense to me than sort of this altruistic, hey, let's help them, you know, the Star Trek approach, let's make first contact and all of that. You know, I like, you know, human nature is a tricky thing. We're very selfish. You know, you and I might want to see those people and help them along, but there's a lot of people that would not want a competitor in the neighborhood. Yeah, maybe. But what if they don't even think of us as a...

competitor his his his yeah yeah but what if they're like yeah

um wait who is that guy do we know his uh what was his name j jental god it that's the 23rd

hundredth episode of Joe Rogan oh yeah this is literally just like a guy a conspiracy guy who has a show called the Y file

he's just like a popular YouTube channel anti-government anarchist with a heart of gold. All right, bro. Cool. With a what? With a heart of gold.

Well, so this is always the, I mean, we'll hold on. Anti-government anarchist. I mean, okay. There's a, there's a, but she says crypto, not just fiat. All crypto. So you called, as you called it maybe? Who said that? Anyway, this is the thing where it's like there are these interesting thought

experiments and stuff, but then they take it to this, like, what? Steve Carrill. Wait, well, can we look at the YouTube? I'm wondering, like, what type of traction they're getting? Like, this type of stuff, you're just, like, too far in the tank, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I just want to see what the, it's 5 million subscribers. Like, it does, okay.

Yeah, they're, they're killing it. Wow. Look at that, go for it. This is like, um, what's that tabloid? Like, so, too. Like, the inquirer or something like that? The National Enquirer. Yeah, it's like these, these are like,

national inquirer um i mean this is funny this stuff has been popular forever no it's just like so interesting i hadn't seen you know youtube is so big it's like it's funny to see that type of thing be successful on youtube it's kind of sometimes i feel a little bit like when uh you know sometimes Spotify rap stuff comes out and it's like here are the biggest artist of the year or whatever and then you just see a bunch of people like the most basic people who the hell is bad bunny oh it's like oh right it's just you're just not Like, you just don't listen to, like, that's stuff that isn't for me. The bad bunny stuff exposed how many people don't know that Porto Rico's in the United States.

I do think that we are at a time when people are, it's almost like a security blanket to hold on to conspiracy theories because truth is scarier. A conspiracy theory, or even just a theory, something that is not. like being scrutinized on some kind of like professional level like a like a way that is usable a conspiracy theory in a world of a lack of clarity in a world that can be overwhelming and scary and you don't feel like you have agency a conspiracy theory is all yours yeah no one can have it because it's your theory it's yeah well no because of these reasons you don't have to engage with it because it's your theory and it can give you like a righteousness where you're like you're like well not everyone knows this but I know it so I feel safer there's like it's also often

structured in a way where it's like hard to disprove a negative and there's a good like uh that's why it's a conspiracy theory well but the thing is the other thing is it's much like uh AI has been co-opted now by like generative slop like conspiracy theory it's like there have been various conspiracies that people theorize that turned out to be like Watergate was a conspiracy or the MK Ultra and stuff Yeah, yeah. Conspiracy, there should just meet, its original description is someone planned to do something. Yeah. Which actually happens quite a bit.

And then, like, I think partially by design, there's a little bit of, like, kind of agitated propaganda of, like, by the movies and shakers at the top of the temple, being like, huh, what's up with these conspiracy wackos? Like, why would you ever listen to them? Look at the things they believe. Also, when you think about power, like, if you are a group without power or feel powerless, like thinking about how the people with power or the structures with power are screwing you over is, like, pretty natural. All right, expressionist paintings and CIA, what can that be? Okay, should we give our theories, our conspiracy theory theories? Uh, and CIA.

Okay. I, I, yeah, you're the simplest, the A to Z is because expressionist painting, are abstract they're kind of mental that there's secret codes in there secret codes or they're being used to brainwash okay that's interesting too that's a good one um i'll give you a way please i would love a hint for my i'll give you you guys a hint this one is another one that's like it's not as far out there as some other ticot conspiracies this one like might be grounded in It's not proven. Can I just say that the annoying thing about the last one is that nothing in that particular

TikTok was crazy objectionable, but then we go to that guy's YouTube channel. And so it's like very much this is how they get you. That's the craft. Yeah. It's the same for, I mean, it's a trite point, but Manorsphere always worked the same way. It's like, we grew up as hunter-gatherers, so you need to have some self-esteem in the way you live your life. And like, all right, right, respect.

And the government should assign your wife. Oh, okay. Did I ever tell you about, I was at a dinner party. We're all having a great time chit-chatting. And my friend goes, well, yeah, because like, Joe Rogan, blah, blah, blah, blah, like complaining about him. And another friend goes, well, he's not all a bad. I love how many alien specialists he has on.

And we all looked at her and were like, Alien Specialist. I did not know you were a freak like that. Plural episodes of Joe Roganswell. I love how many he has on and I've been keep it up. This guy's one eye open is already making me think he's telling the truth. I gotta say, I'm not gonna say any specific names, but the moment he came on screen, I must have thought of like 18 people we know. This is more than conspiracy theory, but less than fact.

So you know abstract expressionism, paintings like this or like this. Well, there is a decent amount of evidence that the CIA is partially responsible for the spread of this type of art. To understand why, we have to look at this. What is this? This is a Soviet realist painting. Here's another one. This was the only type of art that was allowed in the Soviet Union. The CIA realized that abstract expressionism was the exact opposite of this.

And it's really ironic because in America, folks actually associate this type of art with communists. A Missouri congressman even said, all modern art is communistic. The CIA was less close-minded. They saw an opportunity. They helped bankroll exhibits of American abstract expressionists art all over Europe.

And so anti-authoritarian figures like Jackson Pollock ended up working for the CIA without even knowing it. So that's so interesting to me because in hindsight... You're our art history guru, by the way. I see Jackson Pollock and the abstract expressionist as these men who

almost upheld norms of America after World War II because so the reason why I say that is a lot of them are World War II vets first of all and they're these masculine men who were like I've got feelings and I don't know how to express

them so I'm gonna yeah I'm gonna express it in the most violent masculine way possible I'm painting dude dude paint I'm doing dude paint I'm better out of these guys Like, there's all these... Do you paint one word.

You know, people write about Jackson Pollock being like, because he's constantly smoking a cigarette while he's painting, and he would paint on the floor. So he's not painting on the wall. Has you ever tried Zen painting? No. What was it called Zen? Truly, he did not.

So there's a bunch of cigarette ash in his paintings, and conservationists were like, okay, we got to figure out how to conserve that cigarette ash because it's a part of the painting. And it's, it's one of these things where it's like these dudes, first of all, they were a boys club that would not allow women or gay men into them. Oh. So then there were these gay men like Robert Rauschenberg, who in my opinion, is a superior artist to Jackson Pollock. That's just my opinion.

That's your bias. That's my bias. He's my bias. He's my bias. Roshenberg is doing these like very complex, interesting. layered artworks that sometimes are like multimedia and stuff. I think a lot of people in America, they didn't know Robert Rauschenberg was gay,

but it's like vibes-based, they were like, oh, we like those manly men who fought in World War II. We don't like these little, you know, counterculture weirdos who are making art. You know what I mean? It's counterculture aesthetics,

but with like a, you know what I've got to say, This is 100% true in the sense that, like, no cultural movement is immune from being manipulated. Once something is generating or responsible enough for enough attention or money, then literally the CIA would be bad at their job, which for all the criticisms you make in the CIA, they're very good at ideas. I was just to say they're good at meddling. I was going to say they're good at meddling.

They're not as good at, like, getting the result, the exact result that they want, but they're good at messing stuff up, stirring the pie. Look at the history of South America. They're just like, yeah, they're like, what if we spiked the punch? And then it's like, we put a bunch of C4 in the punch and it exploded. Like, well, we got the punch. It's got to be, I always been to the CIA with a really disorganized Asana board. Just be like, who the fuck are we doing?

No, wait, that was our guy. shoot i'm such a rube okay staying on the art train fine art money laundering fine art well that just sounds like a thing that's for sure happening the most popular technique for laundering money is value yeah yeah i mean that makes perfect sense to me definitely true the most popular technique for laundering money is to high-valued art this is because at the high end of the art world anonymous buying is largely accommodated. Also, they don't care how you pay for it. Once you've made the purchase, you can then get the art transferred to a free port, which is a highly secure free trade zone of an airport or shipping port.

Is this an AI Australian man? I think it's real because he's getting a close episode. Oh, true, true. You can then sell the art to a legitimate buyer without ever seeing the piece. It's expensive drop shipping. Yeah, your dirty money's clean now. So I don't think it's as simple as this person is describing because I do think that it's hard to buy anonymous for this reason, right?

Like, because you might be, there might be dirty money. I do think also artists can be very particular about who they sell their work to. Yeah. And, you know, obviously it depends on the artist. Not all artists are this way. But I think, so artists are represented by galleries in the way. in the way that an actor would be represented by an agent. So the gallery then does these deals for the artists.

I am certain there are some galleries who don't give a shit and we'll just sell whatever to whomever. And there's there are, there's record of that, of that happening. Yeah. It's like he makes it seem like it's the Wild West and they don't care. And he's literally saying it's the way as well. Yeah. And I'm like, I definitely think this is happening.

I just think it's a little bit more. buttoned up like because you also you can have people who are representing like brokers who are like representing buyers that want to remain anonymous but then the broker is reputable and you could have a broker that works with both legitimate and illegitimate client like clients and stuff it's kind of a good like the platonic ideal of a conspiracy theory because there's a nugget of truth there and probably actual examples of that they're taking place but the thing about a conspiracy theory is it has to be interesting and it has to be fun. And the reality is the main way that money is laundered and power retains it is tedious and dull.

It is like, yeah, I do import, export on freight. I have some offshore account. I have a business that makes a lot of money, so I just make the number a little different. It's never something fun. The mattress store. Way fair. Also, I've got some, this cabinet's called John, and there's a boy named John inside. That one was so cool.

The other thing is that usually I feel like money laundering tends to gravitate towards like newer markets and stuff than like you need yeah because you need a lot more like I think this is absolutely happening but again I think you need a lot more infrastructure to do it in the like traditional art world or be operating at like such a high amount of wealth because I remember there's a story about vintage wine and vintage wine counterfeiting and this guy who ended up going to jail for a while was basically had this homegrown vintage wine counterfeiting operation and because he had a good rep he had developed a reputation and and was friendly with all these high rollers he was able to kind of fly under the radar for a while

it's like not as regulated like how these purchases can be made and I don't know it's just like Newer markets. Like, I would be, if I was trying to launder money, I'd be like buying, I'd be like putting things in crypto and then buying, buying property and countries that didn't care with crypto and then selling it. Yeah. I wish I had the extra money to do that. She gives me an idea.

Yeah. I'm killed within the week. I'm voted by the cartel. So did you specifically make this art history? Because it's funny that we've, like, been in the art space. But now we're going to go to the real space. We're going to go. Way up high and way down.

Whoa. NASA, that's the nice guy. NASA Ocean Exploration. Those are the guys that copied Elon's ideas. Yeah. Shoutouts to the Uber driver I had last night who was opining over some people, sometimes like will make fun of, not make fun of, just be like, oh man, you get a Tesla before Elon stuff?

And she's like, yeah, I know, the thing. But she was talking about it. And I never want to kind of open a conversation about Elon because I don't want to reveal my power level about, like, how much I've thought about him because that could be considered extremely embarrassing. But I also just, you know, I don't, I'm not an authority enough to talk on a lot of that stuff.

It was like silence for a minute or so. We've been talking about families and blah, right. And she just went like, I don't think he's very smart. I was like, all right, okay. Nice. Door open. and then oh she gave me the gift of saying and he's um i know that his daughter won't speak to him anymore gender correctly nice and so i'm like great so i'm not i'm not gonna have to avoid that

conversation yeah and then said like why what's that about is it because um he wouldn't gender her correctly and this is a uh a lady in her uh she had mid to late 50s i believe and i was like Love it. Hey, this is pretty cool. This is cool that this is like... I like that she felt comfortable saying that to you. Not knowing your opinions. You know what I mean?

A staunch Trump versus conservative. Proud to be Canadian. Oh my God. That's true. Wrong country. Whoopsie Daisy. This is the reason that NASA stopped exploring the ocean. Because they realized it wasn't space.

They're like, oh shoot, we're supposed to go that. direction so stupid in 1958 when NASA was first created its mission wasn't space it was the ocean not true I was gonna say in 1958 I'm pretty sure they were looking at it's like the s is for space yeah also let's keep reading whatever whatever the agency collected data from the sea floor and explored the mariana trench that might be true but that has nothing to do with the like they were still exploring the space but in the early 1970s all ocean research suddenly stopped. Well, it's also like the space race was over.

Why is it an AI-generated image of in Estella? That's a movie. Does he use a screenshot from the movie? Well, then it'll get claimed. Yeah, that won't. Yeah. This is like so provably false. The official reason, but in the early 1970s,

all ocean research suddenly stopped. The official reason, NASA shifted its focus to space. Bro, we went to the moon in 1960. Yeah. It's the national. I think the focus was pretty on space. Yeah. But insiders said something else.

Insiders of NASA? Yeah. Yeah. I thought the insiders said shifted focus on to space. The ocean was far more dangerous and unpredictable than any orbit. Than any orbit? That doesn't. That doesn't mean that any of them.

That's not something that a space expert would say. Jervis, at this point, there are hundreds of orbits and they're pretty dangerous. And there's no fish. Archived documents mention anomalous sounds and unknown objects. Well, yeah. Yeah, we don't know what's in there. We don't know everything that's under the ocean. That's why we're going. There's all kinds of anomalous sounds. The issue is identifying them is difficult, but it's, it's not an alien. Have you ever seen James Cameron's the abyss? Yeah, that's probably what it is. This is just pretending that the abyss is real.

It's, it's a good movie. I would highly recommend people watch it. I, I enjoy it. But it's, if you, if you're If you are in the drenched movies, it's a very damp movie. It is a moist film. There's a guy who's like a whole, there's a guy that basically just ears or water. What that guy? Yeah. Those files were handed to the military. Comma and classified.

I just, sorry, dude, don't comma splice in your conspiracy theory. It makes it look silly. Scientists wrote, which scientists will never know. The computer guy. These are the easiest things to like reference. We're not studying emptiness. We're studying a living environment that reacts. Well, yeah.

Which, so these guys are doing the ocean. Right. The one saying this are. So these seem to have found a way to prioritize the ocean. I would say there's more guys doing ocean stuff than space stuff. Is the theory that there's stuff in the ocean? Because, yeah, dude. Yeah, I'll give this one a thumbs up, actually.

They are right. The anomalous sound was blah, blah, blah, blub. This is like where I... We gotta go to space! I feel like Hank could go off on this because like half this stuff is related to funding. I did you that there's like one company for exploring. NASA was supposed to do the exploring, and now we don't have anyone.

They took ocean. It actually used to be Naua. This is really funny. It says some of NASA's deep sea vehicles, became prototypes for Mars rovers. Yeah. But the ocean missions were never resumed. You know, they studied...

Because they put the rovers on Mars. Pressure... Need to get it back. Changes. What's the best way on Earth before you send something up into space to test pressure? Elevator.

No. To get it down. And that's why the astronauts train in the water. Putting it on a plane? Uh-G-Machi. Wait, putting on a plane that goes all the way space.

I mean, second best. At the same time, reports appeared of underwater objects. X, a octopus. This is octopus, right? Moving faster than any known submarine. Like a, yeah, I don't know, like, how, how fast could a shark swim? Giant squids, they use a propelling system where they shoot water.

It goes really fast. Yeah, and I assume it can go faster than, I don't think of a submarine is going liming quick. No. And especially if this is like the first time people, if it's claiming like, Like, pass reports from the first and only time we went to the sea were even faster than the first chip we made. Later, several scientists, whom, we have no idea,

admitted in the ocean we found something. We couldn't explain. That's kind of what finding something is. And that was the end of the program. Oh, that wasn't a quote. And that's not the quote. That's just what they said. And they basically were saying like they were going to go to space.

NASA turned to space leaving the ocean into secret labs. To the public, it looked like a natural. shift, but to those who saw the files, it looked like an escape. Ooh, the depths of the earth. The depths of the earth turned out to be scarier than space itself. That's always been true for me. So what could she'll be hiding there? So, Jacob, can you please Google for me?

Deep Space Deathball? Deep Spee? Deep space? Deep sea. Deep sea. Sorry. Deep space. Not deep space.

Deep space. There it is, the Roblox one, the Roblox video just there. Carnivorous, deathball, sponge. Two days are gay. Okay. Two days are gay. What? What's happening to us?

What the fuck? I'm getting the headache. Okay. So this is... Sorry, I got to make it a visual statement. For anybody that noticed that when I tried to say two days ago. Let's not give me... Let's not be too generous.

It was three one-syllable words. It was not a lot of work. I did appear to say... Due to an audio issue, two space a gay, I believe. In my defense, no, I didn't. In your defense, I... That was you. I believe you said two days a gay.

Two days a gay. I was like 12 years of sleep. Coming out of the closet, I've been two days a gay. My fellow Americans, four scores and two days a gay. So two days a gay, BBC put out an article carnivorous. deathball among odd deep sea finds. No, do it in the BBC accent. Coneverous deathball.

Don't do it. Change my mind. Our planet is going through a change where it's getting hotter. So things from the deep sea are now moving up to higher levels. Right. And we're finding stuff that we'd never seen before. That's it. A fish.

Yeah, but that's like, it's like not, it's like kind of not a good. It's not like a fun, exciting thing. It's like a, oh, no, we're cooking the planet. Yeah, and now the Wops, are bad That's why NASA's too scared They don't want to go down Because they worry it'll boil the submarine

They're more like NASA More like nah son We have We have one more Can we watch just the last Conspiracy theory I also do have to bring up though That a new species of bee was found

That has like tiny little like horn shapes on it And whoever Like got to name it I don't know the whole story But they named it Mega Chill Lucifer Oh my gosh Oh my God.

Is that Natty? Is that Natty? Yeah. Mega Chilu-Lu-Fer. He's cool. You can see it has a little demon horn. See the... Whoa, it's like a dumb stuff, B.

Isn't that fun? Coolest guy. Oh, that's a guy, dude. Flint Dibble? Flint Dibble and his hat. Flint Dibble. Can I just give Flint Dibble his due? That's...

Gives the Dibble is due. Wait, well, before you give the devil as due, what's the thing that says your name defines your future? Your future. That's happening right now. Flint. Flint.

A guy named Flint says he's going to study rocks and fossils. He might as well be called like stone archaeology. Yeah. So I just want to preface this by saying he is a legit archaeologist. With an incredible. He has a PhD. He, this isn't suit, but he's going to talk about pseudo-archology. He has like a PhD or like a pretty huge.

Pretty huge doll. Pretty huge dibble. I insist that would brag about going on Joe Roe. I do not brag at all about meeting the guy, but I am very happy that I had a chance to debate a pseudoscientist in that platform and absolutely school him. It used to be very easy to laugh off pseudo-archiology. How do people believe that aliens built the pyramids

or that the pyramids are a power plant? I just thought it was kind of silly. But these days, we live in a world where this kind of fake news is starting to take over. I know this guy has a PhD and stuff, but he would kill as a high school teacher. You know what I mean? He's got, like, great energy for that. Yeah, if only his name was like Schoolio Teacheson.

Yeah. He was able to educate people. His name is a book, book teach-all. It's also more popular than real archaeology. In actual English language books, Atlantis is mentioned more frequently than Pompeii or the Sphinx or the Acropolis or Stonehenge. Look, I grew up with it constantly coming up in my history classes as a British boy. I don't, if I hear another fucking word about Stonehenge, he's a couple of rocks, pal.

Oh, how'd they get up there? They were cavemen. We don't know why they built it. But what about the Pokemon based off of Stonejourner? I like him a lot. What about how it lines up with the sun? What about it? They didn't have any hobbies. Well, that what they're supposed to be doing? But imagine, but imagine those rocks coming to life and they're big, they're little guys where they're big. But, uh, they're little guys, they're really big and they're friendly. Worcester Sphinx grew in you bigger nose, and it could small stuff. What about nose pass? Oh, by the way, I was going to suggest that we could watch that Wi-Files guy on nights.

Yeah, it's a good. Like one of his videos. Wi-File. What's the Wi-File? My wife. That's like being a wife, guy, being a wife-file. Gross. I'm a bit of a dibble head in this point.

I'm a bit of a dibble dog. I'm a... I dibble is Flint. I'm a Flint friend, dude. Whoa, Peeves is already following Flint. What the hell? What the hell? Yo, shout out.

Oh, sure. Yeah, you just now did. You're not a lifelong dibble fan. Yeah. You don't follow any of us. A Flint fan? Oh, my God, yes. He just follows every single person that's ever been on Joe Rogan experience.

Right. It's like a rule. Jiu-Jit-2 guys. You know what? You know what? What? He teaches at Cardiff University. Yeah.

Very up market. I don't know anything. about the UK. It's Welsh. I'm going to teach a lesson today. I'm going to teach you all about what if there was a rock. What's under there?

More rocks. All right, we can... I've got to send the Zell but I'm still just waiting for the... For the... But I turned off... I turned off Do Not Disturb.

So I'm going to be disturbed by it. So we can just wait till I'm disturbed. Yeah, let's see what devil says at the end here. Disturbed, the band. Consistently. 50% of people believe in Atlantis or a lost civilization from the Ice Age with advanced technology that span the globe. People that have not attended university archaeology courses, which is

most people out there, they cannot tell the difference because Netflix, IMDB, Amazon, they label fake archaeology books and TV shows as legitimate. Yo. Yeah, I guess like you can't mark like the Dharma show as like surgery. Yeah. They're being like, this was a medical professional. Yeah, that is a really good point. And it's, again, it's like a media literacy thing.

It feels like our platforms are failing us. And it's okay to not be like literate in. I'm not, I shouldn't trust archaeology. I didn't go to college for archaeology. I should absolutely be, I would be fooled. I'm a damn fool. But I do think it, but I think it's dishonest to have. you know, a pseudo archaeology book be a bestseller in archaeology because it implies

two things. It implies like that they know what they're talking about. You know, it's like, what's that, what's that bias? Cognitive bias about like if something is successful, you assume that it's good. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then, and then it also, you assume that Amazon is being forthcoming. You assume that the bookstore, your best interest, wouldn't say, hey, here's the books about fake archaeology. As opposed to here is like some of the dry and more factual stuff. Why would they show me to things aren't true? It's like I think

it would be a little bit more glaring if it was like a health bestsellers in health and it's like why vaccines are fake. By Secretary of Health Mr. Maha, Mr. Kennedy. Much like other types of pseudoscience, the rhetoric that pseudo-archologists

and fake archaeologists use, weaponizes people against scholars. Call it. Call that shit out. Anti-intellectualism has been transformed into a term that's supposed to make people that use it sound elitist by being like, oh, you call yourself an intellectual, huh? And it's like, no, anti-intellectualism isn't like,

poor people shouldn't be allowed to think. It's saying there's too many syllables in intellectualism, so you're an asshole. It's like, no, sometimes words mean stuff and you have to use, like, elaborate phrases in math, and it's annoying, I know, but... Well, in history, anti-intellectualism has been used very effectively to start genocides,

like create fascism, like get people to not trust those who they have been trusting in the past, and instead trust people... And implying that they think that better than you. Yeah. Because it doesn't feel good. This guy rules, I think it's important. to talk about how like so many of these things are inherently political so much is like about

discrediting experts and scholars and people who have started sorry that was my that's my reminder to check if jalen durran is playing tonight and i just got a notification that he is not so he is out of my lineup that literally happened at the exact same time the alarm went off at an arbitrary time right that wasn't when you were expecting to find out absolutely and then the text happened during the alarm That is correct. That's sickening to me. I'm going to call that the dibble effect. You dibbled.

I dabbled and I dibble. You double dibbled. Yeah, flag on the play. I'm going to go back into Do Not Disturb. Well, that's really nice. You think Rogan ever cleans those fucking curtains? Do they just stink? No, he just throws them away and buys new one.

Yeah, they churn. But yeah, like, I think that it just comes back to like media literacy. It comes back to like how the powers that. be use and abuse our communication channels to like create a bunch of confusion and haze amongst real legitimate you know facts and make legitimate sources feel exclusionary like you're supposed to feel as though actually everyone who's advocating for your well-being is secretly an elitist that actually hates it shouldn't be so easy to discount experts but I feel like it's become easier than ever because

they're not on the team that I'm on because they're at work like the actual people doing the research publishing things and thinking about this a busy doing the job of it I believe the concept of do I mean we said this before like the do your own

research stuff is like well first of all people don't know how to research second of all that is just a way to disenfranchise the or it's a way make it's a way to delegitimize experts and people who know things and kind of neutralize somebody's ability because really what you're saying when you say do your own research is hey don't do anything until you have received the right information or like because most people you say do

your own research they're like well I have to go to work I can't there's not a lot I can do I guess I just not get the vaccine for now and then hey success speaking of which I just got COVID and flu if you haven't done it. Are you okay? You showed up to work? You double-dibbled in coronavirus and the flu? Why are you bragging about this? You look rough.

The COVID and flu vaccines. Oh, okay. If you haven't. Oh, that reminds me. I just got tuberculosis. Shout us to the bubonic plague. I just got the plague. There's a new...

Get your foot off of my foot, sir. Get your hands off. Your hands off my foot. I see you know. you're due to do well. There's a new COVID vaccine that covers all of the new strains. I highly recommend getting it before the holiday season starts because you're going to travel.

You're going to be kissing Nana on the cheek. Nana is going to cough into your mouth. Don't kill Gator. Whatever you do. You don't go to Thanksgiving, right? Please don't go if you're double nibbling and the illnesses. I'm illness free because I got vaccinated. You know, maybe I'm insane to say this.

One thing I think would always be real. really cool is just the once in the same vein as like working into a bar and being like the usual you know stuff like that like hey just drive to like a taxi cool dude stumps i really want to one time maybe in the latter portions of my life just like be chatting to someone about life and the universe and my well-being and then go like into like a napkin and then they they're like it's everything okay and you're all fine and then the camera sees that there's like a little bit of blood in my napkin like when i throw it all you end every episode The Sad Boys with a particular phrase.

We love you. And there's nothing in my napkin. And we're sorry. I'm particularly sorry. I have COVID and I have the flu. Give us a kiss. Give me a kiss. Later.

Bye. By the way, we're wrapping up here, but we're going to pick things right back up over on Sad Boys nights on Patreon.com slash Sab Boys, where you can use your discretionary entertainment spending. We're going to maybe play some more dull game, some more word games. A couple quizzes.

I kind of want to order some facts of the past. Yeah, show our mentor skills. Might want to watch some of the Y files and watch these fucking conspiracy things. I am not committing to watching that whole thing, but I do want to see what the vibe is. It's supposed to watch like two minutes.

They're like, oh, it's more annoying than interesting. Goochie girl, how you doing? How you're moving, girl? Moving girl. How's you dead looking at that future girl? Future girl, yeah, we're on now. Take my money, go away. Oh, you want it.

Go to Rich. channel