Sad Boyz - TikTok Pranksters Should Be Stopped (w/ Ididathing & Boy Boy)

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

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Welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things. Also, I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. He's Jordan Oh, no, and we're joined by to count them two very special guests and their names are super different. Yeah You've got Alex Alex and Alexa. Yeah, do you ever play around with it swap them out? We do but not on purpose It's mostly just people calling him Alex. And him just accepting that and just being like, I'm Alex. I feel like you've chosen a hard path for yourself. Cause even without him in the picture, people would have probably called you Alex.

Yeah, that's hard. I like how you said you chose, like do you choose your own names here? Is that? Oh yeah, yeah. You do. My birthday was like a serial number. You got names down there or?

We do now. We do now now it's a new thing yeah initially initially illegal yeah um thankfully the conservatives came in fixed that right up lucky i was gonna say like how much do you guys get called your internet handles because you know boy boy i did a thing that's what people i guess online know you best as. Quite a lot by people that recognize us. Actually entirely by people that recognize us, but by like my actual friends. Not at all. Your parents call you by your-

By my mother, yeah. By your internet. I did a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone else, no. Well, not, I mean, she mostly refuses to talk to you at all. Yeah.

When she does, she's like, I guess he's a loser. It's like a parasocial relationship you have because she just watches you on the big screen. Exactly. She only responds to me in comments that's the only way she talks to me

what do you mean you made a spoon with a spoon shut up I don't care you guys use your real names I know as content names

we didn't know there was another option that freaked me out I remember I was at anime expo what up and like someone came up and said Alexa

and it scared the crap out of me I'm like who do I know here? Like, I don't know what's happening. They were just activating an Amazon Echo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happens a lot as well. It's funny you mentioned that

because going by your own first name and last name, it does have people addressing you and kind of a, it like induces fight or flight to be like, are you Jarvis Johnson? And I'm like like am i in trouble it would be so easy to serve as papers yeah like oh yeah nice to meet you a fan like served but it'd be so easy to just find your address and other things and do terrorism against you guys it'd be really easy it's like you'd be surprised how easy that is already

yeah yeah there's a lot of streamers out here who don't go by their own names. First time doing a four person setup, I believe. Really? Yeah. Well, we don't know any other- I think four, possibly too many people. Just putting it out there. I'll say. Who are you getting rid of? I don't know. I'm just, I mean,

you've already made the bad decision. We'll do a vote at the end of the show. It's like the first episode of our reality show. It's like Survivor. There's just one person left in the game just talking to himself. This show sucks. You get the win of solo podcast. I's like Survivor. There's just one person left in the game just talking to himself. This show sucks. You get the win of solo podcast.

I have to look around Jarvis' house for an immunity idol. Yeah. What? You know the ultimate American immunity idol? You guys are familiar

with them now, huh? Survivor. A big gun. Ah. Just a full gun. Just a full gun. But everyone has one. That's the problem.

Not everyone can have an immunity idol. I'm afraid of guns. Really? I don't have guns. I've never shot a gun. You everyone has one. That's the problem. Not everyone can have a beauty idol. I'm afraid of guns. I don't have guns. I've never shot a gun. You've never shot a gun? No desire to. Because if somebody's got a gun, you did it, man.

Congrats. You got me. What if there's someone you really want to kill, though? How are you going to do it? What if I have a gun? Yeah. Okay. That's your prerogative.

No, but you really want to kill me. I'm being so annoying. I do like a jedi mind trick and take the gun or i like remind you of your insecurities and make you turn it on yourself i can't you show me a photo before i got uh invisalign like stop no no i shoot myself how do you do that um what is the gun culture like in australia pretty non-existent in terms of um like we know people that shoot but they shoot specifically for hunting like you can't you can't get a gun unless you you need to be part of a gun shooting club or a hunter but that was just i mean

the 80s 90s there was just a purge, right? Yeah. It was after Port Arthur where there was a massacre. Oh, wow. The government just brought back all the guns. The conservative government. Yeah. Isn't that insane? That is so funny to think.

It just worked. Yeah. Because if there weren't like, I do feel like if it weren't for like the NRA and stuff, then like that kind of thing could be possible in America, but it's so embedded into culture. Like people feel like a God given right to bear arms. I guess it's the second amendment, blah, blah,

blah. But you know, I don't think in the spirit of, I don't know. I think you could not talk with them. No, I think we're sorry. I think we're stuck.

Yeah. They are in order. The amendments are in order of coolness. So speech for podcast. So, so sick. I think guns are cool. Wait, which one's, which one So speech for podcast, so sick. I think guns are cool. Wait, which one's speech?

Oh, you gotta try it. Free speech, first amendment. That's your first amendment. Yeah, it was not mine. So before that it wasn't amended. They were like, we don't have that. And someone's like, well, you can talk about it.

Yeah. How did he put it in? I wanna try something out. Shut up. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I actually, this is kind of a, How did he put it in? I want to try something else. Shut up. I actually, this is kind of something I should know the answer to, but like, I do think there were a few amendments that came like, they were like a day one patch.

Oh, right. They're like, this is not working. We need guns. This is completely wrong. Oh, guys, we forgot to do a two i mean i mean it's pretty indicative of i think uh not just the american education system but like the uh how not prioritized learning about the constitution is elsewhere in the world that i couldn't name almost every constitution every amendment. Maybe three.

Yeah, there's like a few that are like super famous, like 13th Amendment and 19th Amendment. Just basically when like How many are there? There's like 20 something, yeah. I know up to five.

Well, I know number five. Like women voting is an amendment oh really yeah oh we like we like i'm honestly i think sick i'm not a feminist like i'm not insane i want to say that's the 19th amendment hold on now i'm just now i'm american history checking myself because we don't have an amendment we don't have a constitution we don't have a constitution don't have women how do you live in a functioning society? It's very hard. Women's right to vote was 19th. And then 13th was like, the wage of people.

Yeah, that is really like- So crazy. I like it that guns is before women voted. It's just probably like- How do you reckon women won their right to vote? They took up arms and they fucking- It's probably like free tap water before that. Maybe this is interesting to you,

but 13th amendment was abolishing slavery. So they abolished slavery. And then later on they were like in the like the 20s they were like okay women can vote yes because we indigenous people in australia were only allowed to vote 1961 which is insane wasn't they they were recognized not as flora and fauna in 1901 and then no no no it was much later It was in the 60s. It was, okay, 61 then. Up until 61, they were like animals and plants. They were considered fora and fornals. It's insane.

In the 60s. I mean, to be fair, like America had civil rights in the 60s. So like there was a lot of stuff that's like, like, you know, abolished slavery, but still there was this you know um uh what's the word uh i mean uh apartheid the word for separation segregation segregation there you go uh be you know like different water fountains and bathrooms yeah yeah um but we've noticed that in some areas like the first time we came to america we went to um st louis and we were staying in ferguson and there was actually just like a street i think

it was called like delmar delmar and it was like on one half it was 99 black people and the other half was like 80 white people yeah you can make like an or a legislative decision to, you know, make racism illegal or whatever. And it appeals to a certain base. But in practice, it's still a side of town that is historically oppressed and has no industry. And the other side of town, which has all the industry and won't hire the other people. Yeah. So basically. Fairness is now the law that's like uh called redlining where like banks wouldn't

give home loans to like black families in certain if they were buying trying to buy property in certain areas so it essentially created a de facto segregation uh and and and as it's like in practice that's turned out that like industry and like commerce and stuff develops in like the white areas. And then the black areas are kind of left to be like the sort of underserved communities. Real quick, I just wanted to say we just released a Jarvis Johnson Gold inspired your premium collection over on Jarvis.store. It's a merch drop. We've got a new merch partner. We've been working on it for a very long time,

and I'm finally excited for you to see it. We've got sweatshirts, sweatpants. We've got shirts, long-suit shirts, rugby shirts, lots of cool stuff to check out. I can't wait to see people posting photos in it, so head on over to Jarvis.store to check that out. Were you guys both from Australia or you grew up in Australia?

I think you talk about that publicly yeah we do we've talked about it I was born in Australia but both my parents were born in China but they're like Russians born in China and then they migrated and then you're born I was born in Serbia came to Australia when I was like 5 do you have to

adapt what's that like I don't know because I'm wondering what the interpretation is of like Oh, right. Yeah. Do you have to adapt? Adapt? What's that like? I don't know what, because I'm wondering what the interpretation is of like nominally white. It was not cultural. Honestly, it's like the best possible position to be in

because you're like white passing. So you get all the cool stuff that white people get. And then you also have like your own like spooky foreign culture. Yes. Like exotic but still white. Different powers. Yeah. It's good. It's nuts. You guys have foreign culture. Yes. Like seek your way. Still white. Different powers. Yeah.

Yeah. It's good. It's nuts. You guys have holy magic. Yeah. Australia's mainly. Very diverse class. Australia's rogues.

Yeah. No, it was funny when we, when we first showed up in Australia, we looked earliest memories. We were looking for a house and we're in this place called Eastwood, which like turns out it's like, it's like the Korea town of Sydney. And we'll looking for a house and we're in this place called eastwood which like turns out it's like it's like the korea town of sydney and um we'll look for this house and the the neighbor

was there in the open house kind of just like inspecting the his potential neighbors and he goes up to my dad and he's like oh it's good to see some real australians checking out the property and you look around it's like he's the only white dude everyone's korean my dad's like fresh off the boat and he turns he's like i thought we were all Australia then. The guy starts like backpedaling, he doesn't know what's going on. And I was watching this interaction, like I have no idea what's going on. What is this?

Yeah, there's a lot of that. Like my parents were both teased and like bullied heavily in Australia for being like, cause you can say the word wog in Australia, no one, but apparently it's a bad word. I mean it was a bad word. Yeah, they were just teased so much. I think it's just kind of antiquated here.

I just, I never hear it. I've never heard that in my life. Really? It's Italians, right? Yeah, it's like Italians, Europeans. It shifts with each generation. So I think like in the 60s, it was like Italians and Greeks

and slowly moves further east as like one becomes white. And becomes acceptable, yeah. I guess that is inclusive. Yeah, think about it. like yeah that's progression that's overlap with each other right around the world this is like such a 4chan reddit guy take i mean what's funny is in america obviously, there's all kinds of words. But if someone says foreigner, you know, it's like they say it like in a certain way.

You know who they're referring to. They're not referring to the like European guy who just comes with the sound of a shell being put in a shotgun. Yeah. Because I'm sure Jordan. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I was going to ask you. Do you think like did you get any? Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry, no, go ahead. No, I was just going to ask you, do you think... Like, did you get any... Oh, like...

Oh, a Britishman. We remember when we were ruled by you guys. Do you get that from, like, Americans ever? It's... I think Bridgerton and Downton did a lot for the public perception of the British. Yeah. It's a very affectionate time to be British. Wow.

But... Do you get Australian? I get South African more than anything. Who knows why? That's just odd. No, I think Trevor Noah did the exact opposite. I was going to say Trevor Noah did that to you. They see me and they're like,

are you unfunny? Do you make a midget? Hi. No, I think Australian at one point. But also when I moved here, I enunciated. Yeah. We speak completely differently here than we do. Because people don't understand us if we're just, you know, mumbling.

Which makes sense. I appreciate it. Anytime I say that here, people are very... Even in the comments comments this has come up uh especially when i used to stream because it would be you know it's harder to maintain people would mention be yourself hey just be yourself i don't mind just just do it would love to hear it so and so but it gets exhausting to say everything twice yeah yeah it just sucks yeah it's not fun yeah i wonder if that's like Americans not having a trained ear

or like be active listeners because there's so much of a speak English culture here with like people from different cultures. Like, well, you're here now. Cause you get that, you hear at least stories about that with people who are, you know, from immigrant families and stuff. And there is this like shedding of your

your pre-existing culture to like become american do you guys sound sydney'd i think so it's like it's like a horrible word i was gonna say slightly more refined australian but it's like it sounds closer to english yeah than other parts received english or whatever it is rp received pronunciation that's like how the Queen talks Received It's really interesting hearing how people in Sydney spoke like 20, 30 years ago

They sounded completely English Really English That's disgusting It's weird to see And then people watch Mr. Inbetween and they're like that's so cool I mean there's a little bit of that in america too with like the transatlantic accent which is like this created accent oh there's other new york and hey yeah well there's just like the way that actors in hollywood talked in like the uh 20s and stuff was such a it was like a created upper class sounding accent which sounded more i mean i

feel like it's like more british elements but it was not how anybody like in real life talked it was like completely manufactured so i don't know what the origin i don't know what the origin is but i'll tell you what have you guys thought about making up your own accent for the podcast? Yeah, British. We're both Serbian. No, I, at least, that's what they said in film school. I mean, a lot of that shit's apocryphal, so we'll see. But supposedly it is for international appeal.

Yeah. Because this was also a period of time where Hollywood was not as ubiquitous as it is now. So releasing anything it's it's a little bit like how if you want to publish anything in china they want to i want to journey's character in it yeah just because that's the thing if you're going to put it here yeah ultimatum it's a little bit like that where i think uh especially back then i mean the uk has a really funny resentment of the US sometimes, which is not shared.

It's really weird to just be like, yeah, those fucking guys. And then you come here and they're like, I cannot get enough. Do you have horses? We have that a bit in Australia. People make fun of America a lot.

And then as soon as we come over here, we're like, we love Australia. We love you. We're like, yep. We love you too do you have like a kind of defining reference that people make here like they reference a movie or something as i love australia i watch eggs i watch i did a thing that's kind of the main touchstone for australian culture

um i don't know do you guys people talk about steve yeah that's what i in the Australian culture watched. Do you guys have crocodiles? Yes, that's what I was- Crocodiles, yeah. It's usually just the animals. Kangaroos. Two dangerous animals. Kangaroos. Florida is alligator, right?

Not crocodile? Correct. Do we have crocodiles here? You do. You do have crocodiles in Florida. Of course you know. They're not alligators? There are.

There are both. There are both. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh. There's a crocodile one that's swimming around. Alligators are the slower. They look a bit like a crocodile that's been like pumped full of air.

Yeah. And they have like a different shape of the nose. Yeah, they're a bit more stubby and slow. They've got a different nose face. Alligators, if you see something just lying there,

then it's usually an alligator. Crocodiles are usually under the water watching you, but you won't see them because they're trying to eat you and stalk you. Wait, so alligators don't want to eat you? They're just chilling? They're pretty, they killed one recently.

Alligator killed a woman recently. I saw her in Florida at a golf course. With a gun. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we used to do. No background checks on the alligator. Yeah, no, no. That's a loophole.

Yeah, that's a loophole. It's really sad to see. You get an alligator to buy it for you. They saved the serial number. I was watching a video about fast food disasters or something like that. And I know, what type of video is this? Well, someone went through a drive-thru in Florida and threw an alligator through the window as a prank. That's very impressive.

Does it count as a prank? It sounds like it. He was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. I guess. Yeah. That's impressive. Cause you would have to throw it like with spin that way. Cause the wind, otherwise if you went that way, it wouldn't get through the window. Yeah. That's impressive. Because you would have to throw it like with spin that way. Because the wind, otherwise, if you went that way,

it wouldn't get through the window. Yeah. I don't know how. Did it get in there? And the guy, the guy afterward was like, yeah, I just thought it'd be funny. But I guess, you know, I understand. I did make a mistake and I did put some people at risk.

Was there a PC culture of woke people? Yeah. I don't understand the joke anymore. The woke matrix will come for you. When you throw fauna. Was there an accomplice? Is this guy driving and handling the alligator at the same time? It was the alligator.

Get in there. It was another alligator. Yeah, the getaway driver was another alligator. With a gun. I do think it was just the one guy. So I think it's like a smaller alley. Impressive. Yeah.

So crazy. Did he plan it? He did plan it. And it was like he had a friend who worked at the fast food restaurant, but the friend wasn't working that day. So it was an inside job. No, no, he wanted to throw it at his friend. He was going to throw it at his friend theoretically,

but his friend wasn't working that day. But he just thought it would be a funny gag he's like well I brought the fucking alligator yeah gotta throw it

or just drive home with this alligator I don't even know where it's from I gotta get rid of it like on Amazon I don't want this thing that's the next evolution

of what was it called unicorning or whatever where you go through the drive-thru and you ask for a soft serve and you put it on the table oh no that's

that's amazing it's gone full it's gone crazy dude what needs to stop what an epic roast imagine being covered in ice cream they just have to be there being fine and you pay them still you go away got him that just was being annoying then leaving yeah beautiful there is another fast food- There was an era of pranks that just was being annoying then leaving. Yeah. Beautiful. There was another fast food prank that I think is called like fire in the hole or something where you get a smoothie or a milkshake and then you just throw it back at them. Oh, okay. So that's where the alligator one comes from. Yeah.

It's just the next evolution of that. I think it is. Yeah. They were like, we have to go deeper. The first time they went around, they bought an alligator. Thanks very much. I just don't understand. Like, what do you feel about pranks?

I like them, but I don't like it when, because you don't know how someone's feeling when you do a prank to them. Like their mother could have just died. They're walking down the street and you come up and you do like, even something that's, you know, simple, like giving them a lolly that's called kiss. And you say, do you want a kiss?

Do you want a kiss? Right, right. What is this video? That's what I saw, which was like a guy's like, can I give you a kiss? And then someone arced up was like, no, he's like, dude, it's just a lolly, it's called a kiss. Oh, right.

It'd be really funny if this is you like trying to demo an idea for a video. I'm like, that's dumb, right? Yeah, I'm like, well, I'll change my mind. Do you wanna see my cock? No, what? And then they just pull out the chicken and they're like, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, well, I'll change my mind. Yeah, do you want to see my cock? No, what? And then they just pull out the chicken and they're like, yeah.

Well, that's, yeah. I feel like that is a- Someone's done that. Oh, my God. But yeah, I was saying, you don't know how someone feels. So it's like a thing that could seem like, you know, small and meaningless to use.

You could make someone kill themselves. I do think it's textbook harassment. I think once it's a crime, it's a definite no. Yeah, I'm sure. I think there is like a really, really good style of prank where it's like the person you're interacting with is in on it with you.

Like back and forth, a war of sorts. Yeah. We actually did a really good prank on no, this wasn't even for a video. We were just bored. Fresh out of high school, but we, you guys at tennis courts, you have like the mesh,

like wire nets on the outside. On the outside of the court itself? On the outside of the court. Everything's fenced. Oh, something like above the fence to keep us from going. It's just like a big wire fence. He's explaining a fence.

We've got a fence. Oh, just like a regular fence. Yeah, just a fence. It's a fence at tennis courts. He has, for houses,

do you have like the swingy, the door, sorry. The big blanks that like swings in and out. Yeah. I don't court. He has houses. Do you have like the swingy? The door. Sorry. The big blanks. It like swings in and out. That might be Australian. We're following you. What we did was we bought bolt cutters

and we went down to the tennis court. Well, initially we wanted to get in because like we wanted to play tennis and the courts were closed. And then we were going to just cut the lock, but we thought, you know what's funnier than that? One of us stands up with their arms in a funny shape

on the wire and we cut a silhouette like Looney Tunes like really fast that is pretty good so we did like we did like

two of those and then every single time we would play tennis we would just like walk through and go okay and they were up

for a while yeah that's pretty funny yeah and that was no video just for the joy of having fun we should go back and make content yeah that's what we're doing paid off for us yeah we're getting cpm off that but no that's funny because i used to just react to content in my the privacy on my own home without a camera there and then i was like why don't i just put one on i used you like what you called watching videos yeah yeah yeah you know when you would like i should monetize this you would sit

down and you'd like you keep like looking away from the screen to look in a lens just on instant oh man i'm so embarrassed i did that the other day oh like you did wait from the actually you know when he's you know like looked so like at one over the pandemic all i did was stream because i just i had no audience and i was just like i just said what the fuck am i doing even and i just would be looking to the left at the camera for 10 hours a day or whatever and the i don't know what happened i don't know why it came back i never stream anymore but i just like what the fuck happened oh i saw a guy dressed as Santa Claus yelling at a semi truck

on the screen or in real life? in real life oh it docks myself the North Pole careful you can edit stuff out right of course anyway where's Santa?

no yeah I just saw that and I just was so like happy. I don't even know how to describe it. I'd like half smiled and just looked off the left. And I, thank God I wasn't with anyone. Cause they wouldn't have put it there. That's scary. If I was with someone and they did that, I'd be like, where's, someone's filming.

Where's the secret camera?'m being great i was watching this prank channel recently which prank channels are alive and well and it's like upsetting like there's that one guy who keeps getting arrested the british the british guy yeah you're just like the one who walks into people's houses yeah the one who walked into people's house i like that trend though yeah yeah because it's like i i think it's nice i think you should just be able to, well, hello, you know. Right, right. In America, it's the opposite. You get shot.

Yeah. I like the idea. It's actually just a big flex on America, those crimes. It really is. In Britain, they welcome you in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The new,

hello there. The new prank that he did was kind of ridiculous. What was his name? Well, he just keeps getting, he should just be in jail for longer, right? He was also on Piers Morgan and Piers Morgan came out looking well. That's his game.

He did the same thing with, what's her name? Interviewed the quote female Andrew Tate. That was Piers Morgan's like, wow. He's very tactfully buffering himself against criticism by like once a year having Kanye on a big level. Don't you think that's a little bit problematic yeah not to use woke phrasing and then just like it comes on next week it says the edward yeah like no but i you know okay so the guy's name is mizzy and he just did a new like he had a new prank where he was just like at a like a corner store or something and he was just like

destroying the place and I was like this isn't a prank the thing is I want to watch it like huge dub maybe it's um your honor it was a psych I'd like to psych that from the record oh yeah oh wait here

we go. What's going on with that hat? Fuck yeah. Let's see if he needs it. The reality is an illusion, bro. Bro, hey, hey, what's with this one? What's with that, bro? Yo, what's with that, bro?

What's with that, bro? Say yo, watch your shot, bro. It's an illusion, bro. It's an illusion. It's an illusion. It's an illusion. It's an illusion. Does he think he's in like a simulation or something

and nothing matters? Is he having psychosis? He's trying to break the illusion. He's trying to fly. He thinks he's having a lucid dream. Yeah. I mean, that is, I mean, that's the really, if my example is embarrassing,

then this is being internet content pilled dangerously. Yeah, I'm jealous. I've never monetized my psychosis. I've been doing it for free. How do you do it? I go to a corner store, I'm moving shit around. But it's an illusion i saw i saw a different guy i mean it's like being i'm sorry it's just like you know when you're a kid and like you don't really understand what a joke is yeah you just know it you know the cadence of it it It's like, knock, knock, it's me.

A prank, I do something weird and people like it. I think that you summed up a lot of YouTube there. That is, I think 99% of people on YouTube is, hey, this is what someone else has done and was successful doing this. So I'm just going to kind of copy it, but I don't know if this is actually entertaining, but done and was successful doing this. So I'm just gonna kind of copy it, but I don't know if this is actually entertaining but I'm gonna do it anyway. Right.

It's a lot of those spinoff Mr. Beast, not Mr. Beast, but the kind of copycat Mr. Beast where it's like, I went out, I went somewhere. I got a lot of something and then there was lots of it in my house. I had a thing and then I had to get rid of it. It feels like a randomizer that they're like

I got a thousand Orbeez no that's too few Orbeez I think I made a thousand people blind no I trained a hundred alligators that's not bad that's good that's viral territory there 100 alligators. That's not bad. Yeah.

That's viral territory there. Yeah. We were getting close. He's like, scientists in the lab, they're like, we're approaching, like they're discovering a new element

on the periodic table. We're so close. Holding of an alligator like a tube, like a vial. We've done some pranks in a time where I was like, oh,

I think that that was just, I was very annoying there. Because we did one, we were trying to, we were making a video about sanctions in North Korea and showing how much sanctions actually affect people. And one of the things that was banned in North Korea was- Petroleum. Was that the one you were talking about?

Yeah, it was petroleum. And then I just went and I just told a woman that I have to take her bicycle tires. Because they're made from petroleum. And I just told her I had to confiscate them. And the thing is, she just didn't find it funny she was really confused and i just kept saying it and then at one point she was like oh like i do need to do this and then she started to like get off her bike and then i was like no it's just a prank it was like it was like what did i do

but that's the reflection that these people did not possess And I felt uncomfortable the whole time I think the goal was At least like a semi admirable Like this is a reference to something Yeah It wasn't just annoy this person Instead of making a spoon with a spoon It's just I threw a spoon really hard

At a carrot I did a thing Destroys male carrots The destroyer's just hey don't do that why'd you why'd you do that that's like the trend that's happening right now where people are just throwing things at performers what have you seen this oh i've seen the prime at ksi like well that they that was that one but someone hit they faked it for views because they were like oh people hate people hate him, ha ha. And then they're like marketing, we're geniuses. But Harry Styles just got hit in the eye

by something like while he was performing. That's a good shot, in the eye? That's like the smallest part of it. Yeah. It's true, it's 50 points. But yeah, that's a new trend that's happening with performance. I think-

People have done that for a while though. That's like underpants. George Bush with the shoes. Yes, but this is like a, it's more like someone saw it go viral once and now there's been like five people do it like in a string like a- Didn't you guys have an egg guy?

Yeah, I was about to say. Yeah, but that was point blank. That wasn't a throw, that was like a nice and then just stood there like a centimeter away from him just filming his face. Who was it? Who did he? Fraser Anning.

Fraser Anning was the politician. He's like proper Nazi. It's amazing. He went like the Christchurch shooting. That Aussie guy went to New Zealand and like killed like 40 people in a mosque. Yeah. This politician comes out and be like, this is why we can't have Muslim migration.

Because it's right. It was just killing them. It's horrible. How can you come here? That's what I'm saying. Causes the bomb. It's nice that he got egged like directly after that. Yeah. because it's just killing them it's horrible how can you come here that's what causes it's nice that he got egged like directly

after that yeah I mean it's it's kind of remarkable that like there's recompense at all even if it's a

small thing like that and that like just we should maybe pull up the video because he really does just mean mug him

like he he eggs him and he poses next to him but then I think Fraser Anning punches him yeah he punches him he punches the kid the he poses next to him. But then I think Fraser Anning punches him. Yeah, he punches him. He punches the kid. And the guys next to him as well as Neil Erickson

and these other guys who were like actual like neo-Nazis. Yeah. Don't you get like tackled over to people? Yeah. He also had a, I was about to say really good thing. As in like really bad. By good, I mean bad. Yeah, by good, I mean bad.

How do you spell this guy's name? F-R-A-F-R-A-F. Do you have the name Fraser here? Fraser, like F-R-A-F-R-A-F. Oh, you do. We pronounce it like Fraser. But as a first name? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just realized that Fraser Egg is going to bring up like tossed out and scrambled eggs. If you just search Egg Boy. Oh, Egg Boy. Search, I hear the blues are calling. Egg Boy on, if you just search egg boy. Oh, egg boy. Search I hear the blues are calling. Egg boy on steam.

Oh, there you go. Oh, yeah. Oh, this. I have seen this. He just punches this kid in the head. Oh. And then he stays there. And he keeps doing it.

That's actually kind of sick that he just like stands there after getting hit with the camera. Yeah, what the heck? Doesn't even throw it. No cowardice in that. That's actually kind of sick that he just like stands there after getting hit with the camera. What the heck? Doesn't even throw it. No cowardice in that. That's beautiful. Nothing to lose.

That was awesome. That's a cop on the edge. Yeah. I think with politicians especially are doing horrible things. It's a little different. He's more of an egg man if you ask me. He's an egg man now definitely. Imagine somebody coming up to you instead of being like, oh my God, are you boy boy? Are you egg boy? He's egg man now, definitely. Imagine somebody coming up to you,

instead of being like, oh my God, are you boy boy there? Are you egg boy? It happens to him, yeah. He was talking about getting recognized, get offered a Netflix deal. Nice, fucking dude, hour stand up. Yeah, exactly. Cancel.

All around the audience. Oh yeah, dude, one of those, like a guy looking condescending with his arms crossed woke what like can't yeah like woke media can't cancel this it's an egg yeah you can't cancel an egg good luck canceling this um speaking of like politics and stuff i feel like you guys have a funny like perspective with content because you can like come into america and kind of make fun of the weird americanisms and stuff uh are you able to talk about the blood bank stuff yeah yeah we can talk about that uh because we were we were

talking at the at connor's um charity auction yeah brief briefly about it but what is this like thing that you're working on right now um just vampires okay yeah yeah well no further questions yeah yeah no america's like one of like five countries in the world that um pay for blood donations um so in australia it's like voluntary yeah that's the word um so you can only like do it once a month. Here, you get like 50 bucks a pop and you can do it every two days. So you just have like all these super poor people

just like draining their blood. We talked about it briefly at the event, right? And like, it's crazy that how insidiously American propaganda seeps in. Yeah. It is slow. It's a drip feed it's almost i mean earlier we're talking about how like the longer you're here the worse you start to feel from the

food you realize that it's the same kind of thing where like yeah it's weird that they buy blood yeah that's crazy but you hear that now and you're like that's a little weird a little peculiar no like i think the outsider perspective because like i'd never given it a second thought because it's just like such a normal thing and the way that it's uh talked about is the goodwill yeah you know doing it donating blood blah blah but i didn't think about like i i guess it never crossed my mind that you could sell your blood and then also how dark that actually it's wild like some of the billboards are hilarious. It's like, at universities be like, need money for your books, like donate plasma today. Need to be paler?

Yeah. Get paler today. What was insane about it though, cause obviously we did some research and thought, oh, this is what the people are gonna look like. Then when you actually turn up and talk to the people, it was so much like darker than I thought in terms of like- Everyone just looks sick.

Everyone was so sick. And you ask someone and be like, oh- Turns out you need blood. You really need it. You need your blood. Because a lot of people were like, no, I can't do an interview. I feel like shit.

And we're like, yeah, you just get two liters of blood. But I mean like- For $50. The thing is like, obviously there's nice uses for blood. Like people need it, like in medication and things like that. But like- The people that are giving blood actually could use it but since it's like kind of like super privatized like the those private blood banks sell it to whoever and like a lot of people who purchase it are like rich like silicon valley style dudes who i mean i think it's

all bullshit science but the people who believe you can make yourself younger. I mean, have you guys heard about that guy? Brian Johnson? Yeah. Brian Johnson. Have you heard about him? Maybe. He's like a 45-year-old billionaire who is like blood swapping with his father and his son.

Like cycling, right? Yeah, I don't understand what it is. Like a pig. That's exactly what we're talking about because it is literally the story of of dracula yeah this guy taking poor people's blood making him younger except you've like set up a system where it's voluntary people like so desperate that like like please right but that's the thing it's like is it voluntary because because when you are like when you are looking for

a way out or you're looking for some sort of financial help, and that is one of the options, people are going to take that option. But I think it's a failure of society. It's a failure of the government. Both sides of the ecosystem that make it so toxic is that one side, say the fact that there are privatized blood banks, which, hilarious phrase. Yeah. There is the fact that that

exists and can sell it to any party is what makes the first stage more predatory. If the first stage, if it was only donations, then the second part is bad, but it's a little less bad because they're not incentivized

to get broke students it's like a failure of the welfare state as well because like if people weren't as desperate the industry wouldn't be profitable like the people we interviewed had jobs like right they worked in fast food a lot of them were health care workers yeah and it's just like working a job like you're working jobs that like cannot pay you a living wage yeah but take up all of your time and ability to make any x like extra income quite frankly you could just you could be very short on blood as a ceo and work just fine yeah you can still as someone's nephew you can still sit in a room and then like every now and then go that's so that's disruptive yeah it's funny that like when you mentioned that the like the blood banks are private or they're they're selling um the blood

what's funny is like my first thought is oh god and then my other thought is oh yeah everything in america yeah so this is happening at every layer of every industry to the detriment of society and the wellbeing of these people. Well, you've traveled a good chunk, including to Europe. I know it's been a little while now, but I remember you went on an extended trip. There's this sentiment that I was way over COVID.

I was gone for two and a half-ish years. And being back in the UK weird very isolated but the one benefit of it and I feel it even for the you know three-day visit I did recently for a family member's birthday there's this like I don't know I've never been a visitor here I've only ever been under like a non-resident visa so living here while yeah there's a just this really pervasive sense of adversity with the the institution and the government where and banks especially where it always feels that they're trying to get you and it always feels like i'm like i'm like oh wells fargo i fucking caught that oh you almost got me on that one nice Nice try. Like living in America often feels like flying on Ryanair,

which is like a European airline, but it's like a budget airline. But like the way they make money is like, if you don't print out, oh, you didn't print out your boarding pass, $75 charge. Oh, you need to store a bag, extra charge. Oh, you like want to move your seat there's a charge for that it's literally like it's a 15 pound flight to go to

greece and it's like death by a thousand cuts right because like if you are able to like know exactly all of the hoops to jump through you're you're flying it with relative ease for cheap but if if you're like just a regular person who thinks they're getting a good deal, then you just get nickel and dimed. It's such a smart setup. They also play a song. Like they got you. They play a little song when they land too. I think-

Is there a Ryanair anthem? Yeah, dude, it's cool. Ryanair CEO said that they don't fly to the US currently. On the fuel. But when I was a poor college student in spain that was like the cheapest way to get around like the eu and yeah i mean that's how cheap it is it really is like it's like 15 or 30 dollars less money than like a two-hour great western train ride in the uk you can go to the other side of europe right and the ceo said he wants to i can't remember if it's 50 or 100 but he wants to get like a uh flight to the u.s in back for like under 100 or something like that

that's his like goal that's crazy but how is that even possible at all i have to trade off on the controls yeah pilots only uh i've been watching takes 300 hours there's two places i want to go from this conversation one is the cloning documentary I watched which I feel like may be of interest to you

and the other is the fact that I've just been watching a bunch of videos about plane crashes oh no that yeah because I went through

a stage of watching plane crash videos as well and then I realized I'm like this is affecting me because I need to get on a plane yeah and now I understand

yeah that it does happen have you ever had any of you had like a fear of flying a little bit but the thing mine's weird because i really enjoy like speed and like falling so i love takeoff and landing i'm like yes this is sick it sounds like you'd love a crash yeah that would be more fun for me it's the being stuck in the in the air just like slightly vibrating very fast for 16 hours. I'm like, this is so uncomfortable. I hate this.

I can't get off. I can't move. I will say the obvious stuff, thankfully I haven't gone into, for me, it's just the curiosity of it because it's such a rare event that there's so many interesting details to it. And it becomes like,

and then there's a big like learning experience from it how did the um how do the governments involved or the companies involved respond it should be so much more so like it's so much there should be so many more planes it's a flying thing yeah yeah and and the reason is because there's so much regulation checks and balances and stuff those videos where the wings are turned all the way around oh yeah like they stress test the wings whoa uh like there's like so you can watch videos of them like moving the wing like a thousand times or whatever i'm rather like don't do it at that just yeah maybe just five do i have to get on that plane you just did that but speaking of government stuff, there was a South African flight in the eighties where South Africa was like

an international pariah and like was, I guess cause of apartheid and stuff that was going on with their government there. I don't know. But they, their government was acting up and also they were involved in some sort of warfare. I don't fully know the geopolitical situation at the time. When was this?

This was like in the late 80s, I want to say. Oh, yeah. Maybe it was in Zimbabwe. I'm really not sure. No, I'll come back to it. But the South African airline, saa uh was smuggling weapons of war in the cargo of commercial airliners which is like was a secret and if they had got found out for it they would have um obviously they would have like basically just been completely shut off from the

international community. Uh, and what happened was this plane, uh, caught fire and there was like a fire with like an accelerant in the cargo hold and the plane fucking broke apart in the sky, like broke in half in, in,

in the middle of the sky because they couldn't get the fire out because it was probably being accelerated yeah like gunpowder lithium ion batteries and stuff uh how i don't know how old you guys are do you oh could i just real quick say they had to scrub all the tapes and like all of the like records and tapes and stuff are missing from just that one day come on yeah yeah yeah uh so I think that's pretty wild. But anyway, go ahead. Do any of you guys have memories of like pre 9-11 flights? Yeah.

Yeah. I just remember it. There wasn't really any security. I think I did one or two flights before. You're allowed to like spin a revolver. Yeah, yeah. Make someone dance while shooting at the ground. Yeah, exactly.

You had smoke on the plane at one point? Yeah. In the 80s? Like a month ago. This little seven-year-old recognized you on YouTube while we're going through the security screening. Oh, that was so good. He came up.

He was like, excuse me, are you a YouTuber? I was like, I am. And then he's like, I really like it when you make guns. And explosives. Just literally said this as the person had just finished patting me down. And I was like, this is like a joke. And then he stood there and proceeded to list all my other dangerous videos. And then I like it when you shot nails through your wall.

And his mom was just staring at me. And I'm like, I make videos online. He's like, you're our Coco Melon. I'm kind of the IED YouTuber. Guilty. But still got through security, which was nice. That's good. One of my relatives holds the world record for the longest free fall survived.

Really? Yeah. Her name's Vesna Volevich. She was a stewardess, an air hostess. What do you call it? Yeah. Yeah, air hostess. On a flight back in like the 70s, I think.

I think I watched a video about this. Yes. She was sucked out of the airplane. Yeah. Well the air yeah well no no they will yeah they exploded the plane and um and she just like fell but she was like trapped between the dining cart and another part of the plane and it kept her body like together and then happened to be like some world war ii medic where the plane crashed and didn't she crash in the jungle though and And then she was stuck in- No, no, it was like in Germany or something. It was in a pillow factory. Yeah. It's you. Oh, thank God.

Close call. Tumbled off onto a skateboard into the fireworks. Yeah, that's a cool plane story, I forgot you. Yeah, well, I think I'm genetic, I'm just invincible. I don't think I can die from plane crashes. Serbian hardy stuff. You know what you should share is your story about, you mentioned the egg boy earlier.

What about Vulović that has an egg story? A very impressive egg story. This is very depressing egg story. You should tell it. One of my uncles, this is horrible, but whatever. One of my uncles died- What could it possibly be? Because he was drunk in a pub and he did a bet whether he could swallow a hard-boiled egg.

See, it's so bad. And he swallowed it and died. Like, he got caught in his... How insane is that? Yeah. That is wild. It's nice. Oh, no, Jordan's not responding the right way.

It's wild. That no, Jordan's not responding the right way. It's wild. That's so sad. Yeah. I'm just imagining it was me and then it's just like your funeral. Like what? I should explain it really is like church laughter. Like I'm not allowed to.

What? How dare you? We human beings, we have no durability. You know when you're a kid and you fall over and you're like, I'll just be fine forever. And then like now if I fall over, I'm injured for the rest

of my life. I don't understand how you do it as a kid. Like, you just made a rubber. Just run on asphalt, fall over, and I was like,

no, fine, like knees are scraped and bleeding. I'm like, doesn't matter. Yeah, do you have more

like stem cells and stuff or do you have more like repairing things that are happening that are definitely repair quicker yeah i don't know and i think your things are more flexible as well yeah like your bones bend a bit more and things move why do they stop because you just get rigid and old and they start repairing i don't blood young blood that's what we need so i have good news for you uh coming back to the i i happened to watch two documentaries about this

south korean uh scientist who faked human cloning in like the 90s like he basically faked the cloning of stem cells because you know when they they uh cloned dolly the sheep and uh so then he did a bunch of cloning of animals and stuff and kind of rose through the ranks of um the science community and as a political move in the early 2000s bush outlawed uh stem cell research um because of the difficulty in getting the stem cells and stuff because a lot of the time that letter it was i think it was about the human cloning aspect of it the well it was also presented in some spaces as like pregnancy termination it was yeah it was yeah but like uh which is insane like just obviously wrong yeah but um so they were basically using the same methods that

they were using to clone um clone animals where you have like a an egg and then you take out the nucleus of the egg and then you put like um a cell um a cell from another like thing you take the nucleus out of another cell and then you put it in the egg and then it's supposed to duplicate um and that's like it's like but there's like a lot of like failure points in that and so theoretically what this south korean doctor was doing was possible but they um but the difficulty was actually the amount of eggs you could get because this reproductive eggs come out like once a month or whatever yeah and so then it's like and then you also can't sell them and all these other things for this reason because it's extracting them is this huge like risky process and stuff and um they uh have women take this

like drug that makes them like super producers of eggs and then they like it's just it's insane it's like a factory it's insane and then um this paper comes out where they got like 242 eggs from 16 donors what the people in the community were like well no one has this access to eggs yeah so then it becomes the question of like where did they get the egg i realized eggs has come in a couple of ways you gotta be careful with those yeah i'm so sorry the question became where did they get access to the eggs and then it became this huge ethical concern because this uh journalist from one of the big science mag it's like starts calling up people who are like listed on the paper and asking how they acquired the eggs and this woman says like i can't say for anyone but i can talk about my experience and so then it comes out that one of the scientists subordinates and multiple of his subordinates were

asked to donate their own eggs which is like a huge ethical thing it's like your boss asking you to donate your blood or whatever yeah like. Like a multi-level marketing scheme. Yeah. And so it was like that. And then they were privately like buying all these eggs from like these private companies in Korea that acquired them through like, essentially like the American blood thing

where it's like, you think that you're helping someone heal by donating your blood, but actually what happens, or like the people who are donating eggs think they're helping someone heal by donating your blood, but actually what happens, or like the people who are donating eggs think they're helping someone out who like can't have kids or like IVF or something like that. But in reality, it's getting sold

and then used unethically in this like scientific experiment that actually failed, but they faked it. They faked everything. So they're faking it to get money and funding? Basically, this person became the most famous person in South Korea, met the president,

became the scientist of the, like the sort of top science person of the president. With magic. They were on. With illusions. They were on. He cut a woman in half? Yeah, they were basically the most famous.

It was at a time where like South Korea was, this is how it was pitched in both of the documentaries I watched so I I'm not a historian so I can't really say if this is accurate But it was at a time where like Korea was becoming a developed nation and they were competing in scientific Communities with like China and Japan. Oh She was even more value. so it's like Korea had, South Korea had no Nobel Prizes and stuff and things like that. So this was like all kind of

to raise the pedigree scientifically. And this man became the pride of Korea. And when he was outed as a fraud, this guy never saw any jail time. He befriended every he befriended every he coined himself like a kind person but it's because he didn't do anything wrong he didn't actually clone someone so that's why i didn't go right it's because collected eggs yeah yeah it's it's like this medical no he didn't

sell them he it was all like he was trying to do the science, but it just didn't work. Oh, that's even sadder. Yeah. So he's dumb and evil. Well, but then, so he's in the UAE, like cloning show camels. That's cool.

He was the first guy to clone a dog, I think. Yeah, I would start with camels. I would start earlier than, I guess, he was the first guy to like clone a dog, I think. Yeah, I would start with camels. I would start earlier than I guess human beings. I think it's, part of me really wants cloning to happen for people just cause I think it would be so horrible and funny. Is that a reason at all? There are a lot of reasons.

It's like watching a sci-fi movie in real life. And we're already doing that. Something's going very bad. Yeah. Still interested. The bright side of that. Something's going very bad. Yeah. Still interested. The bright side of that story, which is horrible for a number of reasons, because again, it was like,

the reason that you can't buy eggs is because the people who are giving them are under, like from underprivileged communities. Who else would put themselves through that physical strain and risk? And then a large percentage of the people who ended up giving eggs through this ended up having long-term complications.

So it's like, it's a huge strain on your body, blah, blah. Only reason you would do it is if you were desperate for more. But on the scientific stem cells thing, like I think in 2009 or something, later in the 2000s, they discovered a way to clone human stem cells

without eggs. So that's cool. So stem cell research rages on. What's the purpose of cloning? I guess they get like extra organs to- Yeah. Or do people just want like double humans? Just for like curing like diseases and ailments and stuff.

I suppose that's the even more surreal timeline for psycho CEOs. Yeah. Just like cycling their own blood to the free of themselves. There is a there is like I think that it'll never get to this point

because of the ethics of it and it's gross to think about but like theoretically you could like what they do now is like create or at least I think this is like what the game plan is is you create stem cells from yourself like from one of your own cells because

you after you're an infant or something like that you can't generate uh stem cells anymore or whatever but you can create them in a lab so basically you have your own cloned stem cells to heal yourself so like that yeah i've heard of them doing that for um for for spinal kind of yeah instruction the spinal cord that stem cell all injections can help there's this geo hackers that are using like crisper to like change their DNA and stuff that's sick yeah I have heard of crisper yeah okay what do you do with it when you're already a hot guy you know like there's nothing else there's no other changes you can make to your body because somebody's offered it obviously to all of us yeah that and a temu ad or whatever most email. I got a Temuad today that was telling me

that they wanted to work with me for a brand thing. And I think I'm going to work on a video about them to figure out what the hell they're up to. But it said they have 50W users who are successfully earning money through their platform. And I think they meant million with an M, but they used a W. So I was i think they have 50 william users 50 williams all making i'd watch that channel 60 wouldn't be impressive

50 emails a day to each creator 50 yeah i mean tiktok's obsessed with twins so i imagine the 50 williams channel would do pretty well that'd be good i would watch that i would watch that too a day to each creator. Yeah, I mean, TikTok's obsessed with twins, so I imagine the 50 Williams channel would do pretty well. That would be so good. I would watch that. I would watch that too. You need to steal a lot of eggs to make 50 Williams.

We have a question that you jotted down or so. Oh, yeah. It'd be interesting. Will you give us your blood? Any eggs? Your motherfucker's living with her son, huh? Yeah. A lot, in fact, I guess. Last two times? Yeah, you've lived with her son huh yeah a lot in fact i guess last

yeah you've lived with a few times yeah yeah what's it like having her son as a roommate it's great um because we squat in his house and like because he's a socialist he can't make us homeless right so we're just we're just there forever essentially but he did buy the house yeah he's a socialist. He bought the house. And he drives a car. He does drive a car. He's also got four wheels. Curious.

A bit excessive. Yeah. I think. No one else gets to use the wheels. Yeah. Just for one man. And it's powered by blood. That's why we're there.

That's why you check out the Australians, you know. Stick our finger in his car. Yeah. Just stand there. What is this? Just checking you don't have diabetes. Yeah, don't ask questions about it. But, like, is it surreal at all for you? Because, what, streaming 26 hours a day or whatever?

Yeah, yeah. That's rough. Can you guys imagine doing that? Yeah. Oh, no. No and yes. I think there's – well's well you did streaming so you'd know but there seems like there are some nice parts about it in terms of you can just kind of like really talk about whatever you're feeling and not have to have this super structure around everything

right and it's like seems relaxing in a way also you develop like a kind of relationship with chat from what i understand yeah and it's like and i know it's with us when he's not streaming he's often like you know it's like it's missing a friend right yeah yeah it's probably bad as well because then it's like a lot of validation from chat yeah yeah and having them get validation from you as well yeah yeah it's just, yeah. Do you guys, I mean, a lot of your content's plural. It is high intensity, high planning, high edit, I would guess. A lot of footage burden, a lot to work through. Is that ever at any point it's like, can I just do a two hour video? Yeah.

Well, that's what we started doing reacts. Like yours are more commentary as opposed to reacts. Yeah. It depends on what channel I'm on. But reacts are great you know so if you fight find the right video yeah it's already entertaining you make jokes for an hour and you're like sick video with 600 000 views i've got a video yeah yeah it's weird that we even call it like youtubers collective i mean every video on my channel took less than an hour to record that's so beautiful but at the consequence of like i think maybe less of a like uh anthology i can look back on it's not yeah i'm disliked the videos

but there is i think i have very few memories about them yeah in the same sense and so you with gold to an extent yeah it's nice having both outlets because like my last main channel video took me forever to like script and edit and like i was like reaching out to people and talking to sources and things like that and that's it's like nice to have that on one hand and then also have an outlet where i can just like rattle off something about a weird prankster yeah yeah that's so nice where it's like i don't want to like if like because with i'm sure you know this when you're working on a long project, you have to like find the energy. It's like a relationship.

You have to like find the love with the project every day to keep at it. Well, we've got the ultimate example. We filmed a video five years ago that we are still making actively. What? Still recording as well? Still recording, still changing.

It's a documentary. It is five years, it was 2018 that we first filmed it. But we probably wrote it in 2017. Who will win the 2020 election? Predictions. Oh fuck. 2024 we made. But it's a good script, it's got funny jokes.

It's hilarious. It's so insightful. Guys, you have to understand the video, please watch the video. Is that something that you have talked about before? I think we have, we've shared it. So the video will probably be called Man's Best Meal. And it's about the relationship between,

so like in China, obviously eating dogs is acceptable, but America and Australia, we all condemn it. So we traveled to China to eat dogs and talk about why it's all right to eat one animal, but not another. So it kind of, yeah. But there's some, it's cool doco. Some very cool stuff.

There's a lot of stuff that happens, too much actually. Like what, like I assume it's not like we just procrastinated, but like what has- There's a bit of that, but legal stuff as well. Because there are bigger parties involved. We make some like big people look very bad. Oh shit. And we don't know how to handle it.

It's like yeah yeah i'd like to think so that'd be nice yeah you make such a brown coat look bad it's like all right if he ate dogs it was just fucked how much dog we actually ate because usually the people that go to that area are like um they're like not journalists they're activists they're trying to stop the dog festival so we were there and we were trying to prove to all these chinese people that we weren't activists who were there and we were trying to prove to all these Chinese people that we weren't activists. So we're like, yeah, give me a dog.

I'll eat that dog. So I ate like two kilos of dog. It was horrible. That's wild. That's so much dog. It's a tricky cycle, right? Because I'm like naturally standoffish. I'm like, whoa.

And then I have to also encounter like I'm woeing a culture. Yeah. It's a little tricky. And I don't even encounter like, I'm woeing a culture. Yeah. It's a little tricky. And I don't even have a definitive opinion. And some of the people we met were just like, it's the same as in India where they don't eat cows. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. And also you can make the intelligence art. Because I have the same reaction to you, Jordan. But then like as soon as I intellectualize it and I'm like, okay, well, pigs are really intelligent. That's what we're talking about. You can teach pigs nearly as many tricks, if not more than you can teach pigs nearly as many tricks if not more

than you can teach dogs apparently they're smarter than dogs it's always as smart as a five-year-old yeah we're interviewing this um i guess what an evolutionary biologist um who studies dogs and he was talking about how pigs are as smart or smarter but then he was also just like but that shouldn't make a difference it's not like a dumb pig suffers less than a smart pig yeah yeah that's just our justification for being like oh it's unintelligent we can kill it still doesn't want to die you know so it's like i suppose one of those things where like ultimately you can you can kind of hold a principle and not always perform the praxis of it right yeah it's kind of it doesn't really change anything but i it also sounds like yeah it's a long project for a reason yeah it's not the kind of thing you want to just say fuck it yeah we should just finish it though yeah that's on me

do it would you guys have as i say i mean all your projects are pretty long form or the long form projects are very long form is there any desire to do different kind of shit not just quicker stuff but like maybe longer stuff or more we'll think of starting streaming yeah yeah considering it but yeah is there any advice do you do you enjoy i did it before i had an audience uh i i have the the privilege of like just going live whenever because i have like an audience from youtube are you do you do it on youtube or no i stream on twitch because i just wanted to have like the independence from youtube and there is more of an now that people will watch my stream i am much more incentivized to do it yeah also doing reacts on twitch or

excuse me reacts on youtube is tough because if you get hit with like a dmca it can like end your stream if you like don't act fast yeah oh wow uh, wow. So that's why like, you know, you never see Ludwig doing reacts on stream. Yeah. But then obviously if you edit down the content and put it up on YouTube, like I'll put the same VOD on my YouTube VODs channel and there are no problems. Yeah.

That seems great. Like we've talked about doing that and yeah, doing it on Twitch. And then you just, you got to react for YouTube, you know, content farm. Every video on my main channel, every is was streamed well not for the benefit of streaming though that can be fun as like a warm-up i just needed accountability i needed to announce on instagram hey i'm going live in three hours yeah all right i'm going live then i have to i will

sometimes like the it's like movie magic a little bit like Jordan's videos are like this but uh I just filmed maybe it's three videos for my second channel that were on stream but I just take out like I film it on the camera natively and I cut out all the references to chat because the accountability you can also like steal people's jokes. I tell them that that's going to happen. I love that. Or like you can not get, like one of my, you know when you like spend a lot of time looking at something

and then someone watches it for two seconds and has an insight that you didn't think of and you're like, I feel like an idiot for not like thinking about that. That, it's a double-edged sword with Twitch, but sometimes,

you know, you get that benefit. Would you guys only do it together or something dependent? I think we would do it together. Yeah. Because it's a double-edged sword with Twitch but sometimes you know you get that benefit. Would you guys only do it together or something depending? I think we would do it together because it's kind of nice in that I've streamed once or twice by myself

and I found it incredibly stressful and unpleasant but then when I do it with Alexa just at Hassan's or with Hassan I like the vibe of just kind of you're chatting with friends and then one person

can still look at the video the other person can read chat and not have to create like this fully fake relationship it's more just like oh they're watching us just have a good time and laugh i guess that that is about you know as far from the regular content as possible right yeah yeah i mean not now that you're doing reacts not now yeah more co-life stuff but like it's like a completely separate muscle oh very different like baseball and swimming are both sports but they are not transferable skills i would say the easiest videos i don't know about you jordan but the easiest videos that we do are when we're doing a react together yeah it's just

like because it's we can bounce off each other there's never any like dead air you don't have to think yourself okay how do i keep being entertaining yeah that's rough i've never done a react by myself no neither i can't if you've done that by yourself i mean that's like normally what i do yeah how do you talk to that like because i've watched your reacts but i didn't realize if i was to do that myself how difficult it would be to actually make that joke and not say it to someone that's so i oftentimes i will have my producer on zoom with me uh who's like somebody who I used to um do improv with like and so somebody who gets my sense of humor so sometimes we'll workshop jokes but more than anything it's accountability and I have an audience of one but if somebody who I want to

make them laugh you know and I have her like uh muted but like I can see her face and so if she like laughs at something I'm like okay this is so that's like that's kind of how I'm generating. Then you can't think about a line delivery you can't say something and then go like I wasn't really enthusiastic enough you are accountable for pace yeah yeah right and also

react to the same thing for like two hours is not as interesting yeah you can't really cut that down into the pace maybe you want for a video whereas something with someone else or maybe uh an audience where there's at least feel i i don't even think yeah because we cut out everything chat referential and stuff because i a lot of people just don't want streams and i think it feels isolating sometimes yeah but there is a a a cadence that you only get in a back and forth even if it's not a back yeah yeah the the like on the flip side one of the harder things about a commentary video in i've talked to

every comment like most like most commentary creators on youtube about this exact thing when you're super premeditated about something inadvertently, you have to act your reaction sometimes because it was a real reaction when you first had it, but then you wrote it down and then now you're having to like drum back up that energy in that space. And you've been sat with the idea for six months. We do it a lot accidentally sometimes where we're like,

we're so bad react we say something hilarious laugh genuine reaction then we look and the camera stopped recording five minutes ago so we're like we have to recreate that the thing is that's happened so many times and it's pretty good at pretending to be genuine yeah sometimes i don't think it's it's like you are it's what is what is It's what is any content? What is any art? Like acting is fake. You know what I mean?

And yet. We're pretty authentic on the show, but 5% is a performance, 10%. It couldn't not be. No, that's it. And also develops the more you do it as well. Like I feel like our personas in reacting are quite different to when we started.

You kind of subconsciously pick up certain things. Well, you learn what the audience likes and what to lean into that's like your character. And then you exaggerate that more. How long have you guys been friends? Too long. Probably since like year 11 in high school, which would be, we finished school 2010.

So like one or two years before that. So 2009, 2008. Yeah. How many years is that? 15. 15 years. Yeah.

That's crazy. What about you boys? We're getting better than us because it's longer. Yeah. We're just at what? Seven. Seven.

I think, yeah, we met in 2017. Can you guys slow down? We got to meet in the same year that we, no, I started Patreon in 2016. So we met in 2017. Can you guys slow down? We go to a covo for a little bit. No, I started Patreon in 2016. So we met in 2016. But we started a podcast in 2017.

Audio only. We had no audience or anything. And yet we're so much more nervous. Isn't that funny? It's like, but now this is like an evolution of like that same show. But like, if you go back, it's just us talking about our feelings

and like working in tech. You did it when you were in tech? Yeah. Not even YouTubers? Yeah. No, no, no. Wow. I had started my YouTube channel,

but I think I had 20,000 subscribers. And I was still talking about like the tech industry and like making jokes about how I got an internship at Google. I remember when your video first popped off. I didn't see the video that popped off, about like the tech industry and like making jokes about how I got an internship at Google. I remember when your video first popped off, I didn't see the video that popped off, but I saw your video talking about you popping off.

Oh yeah. That was the first time I saw your video. I was like, who is this video for? I just thought it was interesting. Yeah, it was very interesting because I think we had just started and I was like, oh, you can be a YouTuber. This can happen to people.

No, because I, and the reason I knew it could happen is because Drew Gooden had it happen to him where he was putting out his 5,000 subscriber special at like when he had 100,000 subscribers. He basically got like 100,000 subscribers like over two days. Yeah. What was the, I got you like a card or something.

Yeah, you got me a card for 200K actually, that said congrats on turning 100 years old, but then you crossed out. I got you 100, put a K on it, and then by the time I got to work, you had 200. Oh yeah, oh yeah, because I had like a weekend basically where my channel went from 50 to like 250K.

I got 450 in the first month that it went viral, 450,000 subscribers. And that was when i was like okay i went from 20 000 to 500 000 where i was like this is so weird was that a karen spoon destroyed by other spoon almost actually the spoon one no it was how dangerous is a metal straw so i did like i got a metal straw made a ballistic head, and then tested what happens if you fall over with a metal straw in your mouth. And I think it was just the thumbnail. The thumbnail looked nice.

It was like a straw going into someone's head with an x-ray vision. Oh, it's like a... Passing through its brain. Mortal Kombat? Yeah, it's an x-ray. I remember the guy who had a metal pipe go through his head. Yeah.

And he studied in psychology because he was like still able to function. But there was one woman that died in California from a metal straw. Oh, wow. She was just drinking a thing, fell,

and it just went straight through her brain. So I was just testing how likely that is to happen. And it's very likely. You point metal at your brain. It will go through your head. But that was, yeah,

the first video that popped off. Well, fellas, before we wrap the show up, I want to ask you individually because you're two different people um so alexa do you ever get sad yeah yeah how what is that like for you like like like because i i've just like been a sad boy my entire life and i only an adult had gathered tools to like manage it yeah um i think i've been like vaguely a sad boy throughout life but i feel like every time it gets intense you kind of you get better

at it i guess right you gain the okay i've been here before yeah yeah i've got some tools like a breakup feels severe yeah time goes by and now i'm just breaking up like left, right, left. Oh, yeah. Breaking up other people. Stealing wedding rings. Are you, do you do therapy or anything like that? Yeah. Yeah, I did for a while. It's going to sound like a mad flex. But at a certain point, my therapist was like, you can't keep coming back here. You're too well.

Wow. Yeah. You need to help me. Well, they explained it like- It was very ethical. You keep talking about The problems which they didn't think Yeah

You'll be creating them Like we've reached a point It's like you're ruminating Or analysing too much Yeah So that was great Did you feel the same way? I was like please

Please have me back No I felt pretty happy hearing that Is it free? Australia? Yeah Well You can So you go to a GP A general practitioner I felt pretty happy hearing that. Is it free in Australia? Yeah. Well, you can- If you get referred by a doctor.

So you go to a GP, a general practitioner, like a doctor, regular, I don't even know. That's what you guys call it here, right? Yeah. Well, as in like real doctors. Oh, yeah, yeah. We've got fake ones. It's just a guy with a gun. But then they give you this thing.

It's kind of like a BuzzFeed quiz. It's like 10 questions. And it's like uh like 10 questions and it's like sometimes always like do you have trouble sleeping or like yeah yeah and then you just fill that out and if it fits enough of sometimes or enough always then they just say like okay here's a referral to a psychiatrist and then yeah it was actually just really really nice and easy is there a cultural like taboo around mental health care in australia because in america i think it's only been recently that uh like growing up if somebody was in therapy it meant that they were they had some extreme issue i think high school that was definitely what it was. And I think now it's very normal.

Like if someone says that people don't bat an eyelid. And I'm sure we all benefit to some degree from generation and also not being a kid anymore. I think as a kid, you're mostly just assuming like things you should be insecure about. People are probably judging me for this. They're like, yeah, probably, but then I'm not going to do anything. You just go to therapy. Yeah, yeah. i think it's also like a cultural thing i know like

with my family a lot of just like vaguely ethnic families a lot of time they see like uh therapy as like a western thing they're like everyone in the west is crazy and this is a this is an we don't we don't have that stuff oh yeah they need it yeah yeah yeah sadness is regional yeah well that's that's like russians as well like it's big that it's just like when there's a problem you kind of don't talk about it like if there's a problem within a marriage it's like no people don't get divorced right you just beat your wife that's the solution that's what that guy on the pod i think you guys maybe saw that the dude on the podcast who was um oh yeah arguing that uh it was the whatever podcast some guy was arguing that divorce shouldn't happen and they should just endure abuse yeah that's literally what russians

and europeans like there's that like toxic perspective that i think just comes naturally and people don't interrogate it like any any bad opinion, right? It just comes from instinct and then you don't think critically about it. But there's that, I think, instinct to rail against conflict or fear or change or anything like that. And then the first place your mind goes is like, it's hurting me or the institution of marriage. How is it hurting the institution of marriage?

Other people getting divorced, it makes people like, hey, there's an idea. Yeah idea yeah yeah let's do it for fun i'm free this weekend that sounds good uh alex same question for you yeah like what has been your experience with like your own mental health i think as a kid i was very lucky that i have pretty bad adhd and as a kid it was like extreme were you like hyperactive so hyperactive but i've heard some people with adhd and as a kid it was like extreme were you like hyperactive so hyperactive but i've heard some people with adhd get hyperactive and sad mine was just pure i didn't really have any other feelings besides i want to run really fast hit things as hard as i can and that was fun i was like this is great and then it was only probably like year nine i settled down so like midway

through secondary school in high school um and then i think the only point i've kind of only really felt sad besides what you know someone dies was i was after school i was in i had this feeling of like oh i don't really know what i'm doing right i don't understand how things work yeah and i don't feel confident about anything yeah and then for me it was only when like something i really enjoyed like doing youtube or doing out videos um started to kick off that i was like oh this is nice i have this like purpose and feeling of like oh my energy's going here right and i don't know if it's good to like link my mental health to a product that i produce yeah or does it wax and

wave or is it pretty consistent and Mine's pretty consistent because I still- Once it goes down. I don't know if I equate it to the ADHD, but I find that when I'm doing a lot, I just enjoy doing that. Whether it's spearfishing or rock climbing, it's like keeping busy. I feel great.

The shark dies when it stops swimming. Yeah, that's it. But I don't have a problem with that. So I don't know if that's bad or good. No, I think that's it but i don't have a problem with that so i don't know if that's bad or good no i think that's really i think that's well two things are relatable to me one is the like and i think a lot of our listeners it's like the what am i doing after you finish school and then there's no there's no longer train tracks you know to ride on yeah uh but then the other thing is um what i think that the hardest thing for me was transitioning to full-time creator from my old like corporate job where there was a ton of

structure my schedule was always full i had like performance reviews i knew i was doing a good job objective success you know what i mean it's almost like i was getting report cards where i was being told i was like killing it and then you have a future and then now proof and it's like now it's like the what's replaced that is like opening up youtube studio and it going like one hour to you know it's like maybe try harder next time or whatever and you know those little uh when it has that like a little italicized tip next to it that's just like it's performing as normal or whatever. But if it's like, if it's an eight or below, it's like, I don't know about that future.

How long did this one take? Viewers are watching this video less because it's not as good. Essentially, it's like, thank you. We talked to your viewers and they don't like you as much as they used to. They miss the old version of you. I think you maybe do like Let's Plays.

Yeah, have you tried pivoting to minecraft yeah that would be so funny right if it was that specific yeah i could read that it's like the hell hi alex don't talk to me like that i mean we are getting closer to not exactly that but you can see way more audience metrics nowadays on youtube which i think is useful um because if people are watching a bunch like your audience is watching other creators in your genre then you're like okay you know like this is this is what i expect but i sometimes get disappointed by that when i see what my my viewers have been watching and i was like really that guy yeah that's the most other viewed creator i'm like him do you i'm not gonna say the name yeah like do either of you ever feel like that is even like one percent impacting what

you then choose to make or how you present it oh i don't really i don't think so because i think it's we release so infrequently that i'm like i put it down to oh there was nothing else to watch so they must have got bored with not me having me there watch something they don't usually watch only so many times you can rewatch it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she's getting married because I was like busy. Yeah, yeah. Also, I think that, at least Alex, with your videos,

the clickability or the clickbait comes from just like how outlandish the creation is. Yeah. And you get to satisfy the curiosity of like, what does it look like realized? Yeah. You know, which like you can't always get that with like a commentary video you know because there's no like arc to it that's what i struggle like because when we started doing the commentary and reacts it's like there's never a super viral idea but when you're making something you have the opportunity

to do okay to do something completely new and think what's the craziest thing i can do and then you make that you can't do that with a commentary or react unless your take is so edgy that someone's like how could you say that right it's just like and then it veers into unbelievability they're just saying yeah yes exactly so it's like well your value proposition is just like i'm cool you're like me yeah my friend i'm just a sociopath yeah that i have to feel like how else are you gonna make a good react if you're just like yeah like murmuring if you if you are in the old days there there were opportunities to go viral with i think that there are still ways to go viral with commentary but it's very audience-based like you have to be reaching an audience that like hasn't been represented uh or like i the audience identifies you with a unique in a unique way

um but back when i started the i had a video go viral because it was like I was one of the first people talking about a thing that everybody else. Like I made a video about five minute crafts, which I talked about in that video. And the reason that I think it got so many views is because there just weren't that many people talking about that thing at that time. So you kind of brought that new thing. And so everybody was like, yeah, that thing. What's the deal with that? And so I do think that there's the what's the deal with that angle does still work. Like with Eddie's Ghost Kitchens video, it's like, oh,

I've been seeing these fake restaurants on my delivery apps. What's the deal with that? And then it's like a vessel for jokes and like telling a story and stuff. And it has been emulated by people that aren't as good at what he does yeah and are trying to emulate his voice which is like i don't like the guy yeah he's this weird scary he he bullied mr burgo yeah he's never been the same to me after he was so mean to mr beast uh but not but like eddie has a his his value proposition same with his burbot channel with his brother is just like nobody else is going to be Eddie and Tony in a video. Yeah.

In the same sense that like you guys could probably do exactly, only release React after someone else has done the same React and it just, it wouldn't be, the equivalent wouldn't be the same. Right. That's the sell, right? Yeah. Also just reacts as a like, what's the word? It's a type of content that like is very comforting for people.

And I think that's, and it's fun to do. Yeah. And that has a place, but it's like also not a way to, it's a way to satisfy. I think it's a way to satisfy an existing audience, but not always a way to grow unless you have a unique value proposition. So.

If you guys are streaming, I'm gonna get in that chat. Sick. Just shut up. Oh no. I'm trying to watch the video. Stop pausing. Stop talking. The weirdest comment ever.

Oh, just watch the video. So you just want me to sit here. Hey, I have great news. Just go watch that. Yeah, yeah, just watch the video. No, but people do say that. Go do a react alone. Some people do that though. Like, you know, XQC?

Oh yeah. Like every single time, I think he's good guy. But. Every single time I release a video, he will do a react and release a react within four or five hours. And he doesn't say anything. It's just him watching the video. And then he pauses and goes,

how do you do that? And then unpause. What the hell is going on? Yeah, what's that? And then his video will get like two, 300,000 views in that day. I'm like, you just took away 300,000 people from watching my video.

Yeah. You should put a little video of him on the bottom of your screen and get all his viewers in that's what i picture not a video when i i i probably watch too much true crime uh just as like in the background type listening stuff and i used to be afraid of watching true crime and back when everybody on twitch was reacting to like jcs i would watch hasan watch the video and it felt like i was being like help my hand was being held through the scary story tell me when the clown comes out i've also done the worst reasons to watch someone doing a react which is that someone's released a video and I didn't wanna give them a view.

So I was like, instead of that, I'm gonna watch someone reacting to them. So I can then still watch the video. I'm gonna call for subterfuge. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm an evil person. Well, you're like, hey, I don't wanna poison my YouTube recommendations. Yeah, yeah.

I don't wanna give them money or like promote that video more, but I still wanna know what happens. So it's like, yeah. But I'm not willing to not have YouTube know youtube premium i'm not watching another no all right well um so this about does it for this episode of sad boys but we alex and alexa will be joining us on patreon.com slash sad boys for sad boys nights the premium patreon podcast sad boys after After Dark. Sad Boys After Dark. We're going to get up to some reacts. We've been talking about it so much. Why don't we just do it?

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