Sad Boyz - Tommyinnit Shows Us How To Get Rich

Episode Date: March 22, 2024

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. And we're joined today by that guy. All right. Okay. Well, we rehearsed for like two hours. Sorry.

It's your majesty to me. I feel like I fucked it all up already. Yeah, let's run that. Come on. Time for the remix. We're joined by Tommy Init or Tom. Hi. Hi.

Thank you guys for having me. Tommy's in this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here. Feeling good. In LA. You're in LA. You just finished a show. I did, yeah. How to become a billionaire? Tommy's in this podcast yeah I'm here feeling good in LA you're in LA

you just finished a show I did yeah how to become a billionaire indeed that was a question so yeah how do you do it well god forbid

I spoil it I mean when does this come out this will come out oh good question actually so normally we record on Wednesday and it comes out on Friday but it will come out

next Friday within the next two months yeah absolutely that's my little devilish promo gremlin came out oh please yeah no it's okay so uh uh how to become a billionaire yeah don't spoil it no god forbid i do but you're still on tour yay i am for the next two months dude that's exciting yeah that was the noise i made never been on a plane how does that happen does someone go like okay we're gonna you're like i want to do a tour and they're like cool and then how do you decide how many dates you do yeah so it's um so this all kind

of came about like a few years ago uh i did like a live show it was meant to just be like a youtube vlog my dad kind of slowly convinced me into making it a live show. He loves the Muppets. He loves the Muppets. British. The most famous live show. So, yeah, he sort of convinced me to do that. And then we got like an offer to do a tour.

So we started writing this sort of kind of around my mate Jack Manifold, if you know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did Creator Clash. Oh, wait mate jack manifold if you know him yeah yeah yeah we did creator clash oh wait did you fight yeah yeah did you win no i had an asthma attack during my seriously yeah yeah but it's it's fine i i performed just fine and i'm happy with myself you did great man and i need to be a sad boy jack's fight was was great that was pretty uh yeah he goes on about it you won't let you won't let us forget in case you didn't's fight was great. That was pretty, yeah. He goes on about it. You won't let us forget.

In case you didn't know it was great. Wish I could have fought that guy. Folded him in two. How about I manifold your ass? This is against the rules. You'd just break into tears if you said that to him. The wordplay would just be too good. You'd just break down.

Go ahead, hit me. But yeah yeah so that kind of came about and we started like writing uh the show and um how long ago was this oh man fuck like 20 late 2022 2023 then we toured around england right two weeks um and that went really well and then they said do you want to do america and we went oh cool how long they went two months and i went yeah yeah but that's so many more so many more weeks that's a lot of extra weeks yeah it's 24 shows oh yeah how deep are we now into it three shows okay so you started with this is early in about like if this podcast oh you did san francisco and then you did la seattle and san francisco i'd be like a hollow version of myself. I'm so excited. Yeah, we got to do the before and after. You've got to come back.

I really am a sad boy. I don't, I'm not a billionaire anymore. I lost it all. It's like those colorized images of World War II soldiers before and after the war. Gone. So far, your three shows in and it's been going well? Yeah, it's been going super, super well.

And the American audiences are so into it. Oh, yeah. They're so into it, you know. The British ones are like, okay, what is a singing dog? In America, they're like, that's a singing dog! That's true. Is that allowed?

Yeah. We love those. They're calling the police. That's a dog. Is he okay? How can that man also be a dog? That took a teaser for the show. Oh, yeah. You'll have to find out teaser for the show. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Yeah. It's all. You'll have to find out. Does the show feel like it evolves each show you do? Um, it's, it's quite scripted, but it feels like our sort of performances and like delivery is a quite like,

yes. Yeah. Cause it's quite different show from England. Cause it's been like a good few months sort of editing it and cutting around it and making it like funnier it feels better now better and the laughs get stronger yeah I get more power did you feel like you were kind of adapting the pace and tone of the show for a US audience a little bit yeah there was some jokes we cut oh wait Wait. Cut that, dude. That was good. Dude, if you want to find out, subscribe to us. I don't all drive like that.

All the references to the Cotswolds. No American. Leave me alone. What's that? But yeah, I mean, sort of in the interim between the UK tour and now I've started doing stand-up. So that's kind of changed a lot of my delivery and stuff like that. And then we go, oh, you don't have to shout everything. How did you bridge?

So you mentioned your dad like kind of was a fan of the muppets but we all are that's how we get started in stand-up but when everyone knows every influence but how did you start to bridge like okay i'm online and i like to perform because you know streaming is a very much a performance. And I don't think a lot of people live both lives. Like I used to do improv, you know, we've performed like on stage before. And there is like a part of your brain that's like performance mode. Yeah. That I feel like activates on Twitch in a way that doesn't for like a scripted YouTube video.

Totally. Because the chat can frown. Yeah, the chat can frown yeah the chat can frown um they they go why is that man a dog help me stop doing that stop doing that please i'm leaving i'm going to watch your more famous friend stream um let's come up uh how how did you bridge that gap though um i think it came quite naturally for me because like my streams everyone always critique me for my streams as a girl i for like an hour just like be really locked in and then end yeah which was quite unusual it turned out for twitch

right normal for a show normal performance yeah and everyone was like why don't you stream for four hours and i was like yeah it's maybe I think you did have an impact on people's expectations for that. Because that's basically what Jinxy does. He logs on one time a day, plays for an hour or two. He's like, I'm done. My face is going to fall off. I saw him, he was going to do a 24-hour stream. And then like five hours into it, he leaves the stream.

You can't do that much face movement in five hours. I don't know what drugs he's on, but he's a guest. But it was awesome. He was like, guys, actually listen. So we're going to do, instead of doing 24 hours, I'm going to be tired. And then it's going to mess up the next stream, and it's going to mess up the next stream after that.

But if I just leave right now, I can come back tomorrow. He talked them into just his normal stream schedule and i was like this man is a genius that's like an alien describing human life yeah a lot of the time i get tired and i go to bed in my sleep dude that guy i mean he's an animal i there's actually like genuinely just a compliment i think it's amazing what uh what jin, he's an animal. This is actually genuinely just a compliment. I think it's amazing what Jinx is able to do. Yeah, he's brilliant. Jealous. Did you have any influences for performance

or even your comedic sensibilities? A few years ago, I went on holiday for the first time ever and read Steve Martin's book. Oh, yeah. Which was like, whoa. Yeah, that's an old head pull actually oh man every every stand up comedian from the past 20 years is like a steve martin guy and then now we're starting to i feel like move past that yeah but you're bringing it back you're making it cool again making it cool yeah you're all his sort of uh like like movements and like the sort of oh yeah

very like a yeah weird and charismatic quite muppety honestly yeah very true yeah i always want to see that special and was like holy shit this is this is brilliant um so that kind of influenced my earlier ones and then now like uh i've watched so much stand-up over the past year like burburnham and daniel sloss and shane Gillis. I really like those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, all greats. I mean, we, before the show, we were like, you're like a Bo Burnham type to us because- Really?

Because when I- We hate him. Continue. We hate him. We think he's ugly. Because when we were younger, like I watched Bo Burnham when he was 16, you know, because he's like a little bit older than me.

And Bo Burnham going from he's 16, he's making what in 2024 would be cancelable music on YouTube as a 16 year old playing his piano in Boston. And then it goes and is the youngest person to have a Comedy Central special at 18. And then, you know, it goes on to like, he's got, you know, words, words, words, and he's got a what,

and he's just got all of these like things that led up to like inside. And like sort of being around for that evolution, you know, you being so young, but then having these influences, I think it's like, it just reminds me, you know, of... The best success I've ever beat on my life. Why is this kid talking about Steve Martin? He's not... What? Come on. That's mine.

Well, yeah, I mean, like, you are a good chunk younger than this but i feel like you're performing career at this majority of your life yeah yeah yeah man i was like 12 when i did my uh school show wasn't it yeah i was gonna say um we actually have brought the cops here to arrest you because you're um you added me on discord and it said your discord account was created in 2016 and i did the math and uh you were 11 when you made your Discord account. And what does the terms of service say? Yeah, terms of service says you have to be 13, so

let's get him, boys. Let's get him. That's the only thing you get the death penalty. This is the... I love this. I just keep complimenting him the whole hour. We need to bring him down a little bit. Yeah, because British people, we just don't do him the whole hour. We need to bring him down a little bit.

Yeah, because British people, we just don't do that. We don't. We're like in Cape, but there's like a block in front of our soul. Yeah, I think there's kind of an adaptation to it, right? Because initially, it's almost like getting inoculated to a disease or something where you hear it like a super candid compliment with no veiling or like extra like sardonic layer to it or something where you you hear it like a very a super candid compliment with no veiling or like extra uh like sardonic layer to it or something yeah and your initial response is to it's like the first covid vaccine you really saw it's like oh fuck it jesus and then the more you

get me it just isn't that like that you've described it like um or no uh it was uh for the record only an english person would describe a compliment like getting a virus. We had C-Dog on, Connor. Do you know Connor? Yeah, I think so. So he's Welsh. And we were, I know. We sat on this chair.

We sat there, yeah. So we cleaned it. We cleaned it. We bleached it. Sheep free. So we, he was talking about it like, you know he wanted to be a performer he wanted to do stuff and if he was doing anything where he was putting himself out there you know there's that british thing of like who's this fucking guy i think he is yeah yeah and from the inside of your

own head i wouldn't even call it imposter syndrome yeah yeah it's it's more like because that's its own thing yeah yeah but i feel like to to access imposter syndrome. Yeah, yeah, we've got that. It's more like, because that's its own thing. Yeah, yeah. But I feel like to access imposter syndrome, you already need to be doing the thing. Yeah. Because you need to feel like you've broken into the building. Yeah, yeah. Whereas I can't even think of a term for British syndrome

where you kind of just- You haven't even got in the building yet. You're like, oh, what the hell? I'm going to go down here. Who the hell do I- I'll go this way. I'm going in a building, am I? What, I in a building. Well, I missed a building. Yeah.

Seeing you're like, Oh, everybody from your hometown. Just being like, okay, everyone. Oh man. I'll cut it.

I tell you what LA is not. When I moved to San Francisco, cause that's where I went first. Not no, like it was like, Oh, man. I'll cut it out. I'll tell you what. LA is not... When I moved to San Francisco, because that's where I went first, not no like... It was like, oh, Mr. America. Moved to LA.

Now it's like, Mr. Hollywood, is it? Mr. Hollywood. Well, well, well. Thinks he's better than us because he can look at that sign on our hill. I have so much more respect for everyone but myself. I'm not going to brag to people working

real jobs. That's right. I sit for two and a half hours a week. Sometimes I get a mean comment. It's rough. I'm not pissed. I got ratioed the other day. Just talking

to my uncle who's a coal miner. He's covered in oil. I got a ratio. Do you have tuberculosis? That's the trade-off. You may be getting paid minimum wage, but I got ratioed. Ever heard of this VPN?

Which reminds me, speaking of ratios, the ratio to where I can't watch the thing I want to on Netflix. Not fair. Are you sponsored by... No, I realized that sounded too good. I did, really. Are we going to cut away now?

Yeah, that almost sounded real. Custom mattress hat. Oh. What? What? That's my question. uh oh what what that's my question fuck what can you keep that in as in class absolutely oh what um can we cut that actually every now and then uh brilliant what like was your experience like growing up like because you have been you know you you did acting in school you mentioned right or you did yeah i did like

yeah we did little shop horrors in school yeah was it was acting expletive stage or otherwise the thing the goal no no i just we had a really small sort of music thing in our school and I really liked it. So I just kind of naturally, like both my parents are very musical, so I just kind of naturally went towards that. The professional musical or they were? My dad.

He was a Muppet. Used to be a Muppet. That's actually an insult, but I meant it in a literal. The absolute Muppet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad, he used to be in an orchestra for a while. And then my mum was an actor. She was on like, was it not Broadway?

What's it called? The other one. West End? Yeah, she was on West End. Okay, that's super cool. Yeah, so I kind of was like, and my dad, after doing music stuff, went into video games, done loads of work in video games. Oh, wow. So I am like.

Like scoring? You know, like infinite craft. I'm like literally made to be a youtuber yeah that's so that's like i felt like i was made to be a youtuber because i like grew up in that like first generation of youtube yeah and then i went and like worked at patreon and i was like around all of these like creators and i was like why not me also but like you were cooked up in a lab to do i really will test tube i'm an industry plan from god yeah god being your parents they're studying the uh you're being built at mojang i think we need some no that won't work

it's the wrong formula for people these days gonna going to be like, I'm going to do video games. You do acting. We'll meet back up in 20 years. I'm a big kid. Let's just get a big old kid out of it. Well, I mean, now after doing the live shows, and now doing sound up pretty regularly, sounds like.

Yeah, I've done four shows, but within the past like two months. Is that now like maybe the thing? So it's weird. I kind of. unless you hate this i love this tour but it is sort of closer to a youtube video on a stage a sort of theatrical performance than like uh a sort of strictly stand-up one mic show right um i never i never thought i would do stand-up like i think if it wasn't for youtube i'd be doing film directing

or like naturally i'm in the premiere pro timeline like that's where i'm the most comforted like i love editing yeah as was determined by the scientists yeah um but i like i started doing stand-up i never ever would have imagined doing it and i've sort of tried over the past years to express myself in sort of a different way than youtube and i've like in private like music and tried making like like sort of more cinema to graphic videos and i did stand up i was like holy shit this is fucking you're telling me i can tell you all my worst feelings and then you'll fucking laugh at them this is the best eat it up piggies there's also something to stand up where

um at least when you're not performing in front of an audience that knows you. Yeah. It's a little bit like there's that old Seinfeld quote about like even if you get like a few minutes of like goodwill from an audience because they like they want to laugh. They know you. They paid for it. Yeah, they paid for it. Then eventually they have to. Good shows? Any bombs not i've had a yep oh yeah it's a rite of passage right yeah so i've done four shows and yeah like a quote i got about that from um do

you know daniel sloss yeah he's like my mentor in comedy so he's oh that's awesome yeah he's incredibly talented tell me i got some bits for you yeah he's properly brilliant but um yeah something he said to me was um like if you can entertain your audience that's one thing and make them laugh but if you make strangers laugh you can make anyone laugh so that was my what i found you know i was saying earlier about sort of that british holy shit there's a building i can't go in there like making people who don't even know who I am laugh is giving me like the most confidence in like comedy ever. And that's been brilliant. And yes, I have bombed.

I did like a four, it was only like a 40 second of a five minute bit where I was doing this bit about like lightsabers and I ran the first bit and just dead silence. And I was like, oh, I have six more lightsabers. Yeah, this is going to keep going. It was pretty, it wasn't like bad in the video but in my head because you don't know when they're gonna start laughing again you're like it's like

a time of the it's like a countdown that goes up like of just like pressure of like please please like spinning a plate just a lot of memory for me which is uh we were at an event recently with bj novak oh really uh yeah we were at the office we were at the office ryan started the fire i just remembered that bj novak came to my college and did stand-up really just straight up stand-up well it just showed up there yeah he was like a star on the office but he was like i need to go to this yeah it was like the office was like, it's not on The Office, but he was like, I need to go to this club. Yeah. It was like The Office was like freshly off the air or something like that. And then he was doing stand-up because he's like a, you know, he's a famous writer. Like he's a writer for The Office, but an actor. But like he was kind of known as a writer.

He had written comedy books and stuff. And I remember he was doing this bit where he was pitching jokes. And it's now I think it's kind of a tired bit. But at the time I hadn't seen it before, where he's just like has a bunch of joke notes written out, and he reads one by one. And then if nobody laughs, he like tosses it into the bin. And like he keeps going.

And it's like you've seen that before, but at the time, you know, it was a while ago. Quite a while ago. Okay. All right. Relax. He didn't have a phone. He had paper.

Yeah, we had to just remember with with our minds we can take pictures yeah and i just remember that and i was like i'm sure there is some period of that where he was like bombing you know for like a minute but then it's just how you bounce back and how you can still keep the audience on your side yeah yeah you totally can and i think if you do one for a while then they're like more inclined to laugh when you're funny again because yeah yeah i mean so they're like we were worried this was you didn't have it i've done some open mic because the rule with open mics for five minute slots is like you have to stay for the whole act if you're gonna go um and you do and you see and everyone else is waiting to go up yeah and they don't want to laugh because they're like on my first one there was one guy you the whole time was on the front row and you know if you're on the front row in like a 20 person

open mic you have a responsibility to at least smile oh for sure he was just on his phone the whole time it's an improv position you've got to get involved i went to a live taping of a show and i was in one of the front rows and i was like oh god and i just like when i left my face hurt for yeah i was like smiling and clapping yeah i love all of this this guy was on his phone the whole time and then it turned out he was performing stood up performed immediately it was transphobic jokes and i was oh okay and i was on the second row and i went time for a test you're a medicine yeah you pull up you're just sat there like well yeah oh man that pissed me off so much it's not a phone it's a piece of cardboard that says i'm pretending this is a phone

i can't afford one right now my data plan ran out fuck i mean that's so to get a better like let's say he's going through his notes like i don't want to miss anything here of mine he was on in comedy i could see behind he was just he was like watching muted reels and there's no sadder thing that's like wild while i was up on stage bombing telling about lightsabers is my first he's watching uh muted clips of joe rogan yeah i don't know i don't know if bathroom should let everyone in he's like zooming into his mouth where he's got jamie look that up and he's like he's inspiring yeah he's being trans illegal no okay i didn't know that i thought it was i thought it should be yeah i feel like the not being socially generous uh as a open mic comic is

probably even more severe in the uk because even the other comedians are doing who are you to go in this building yeah That's my building. Yeah, yeah. My bit is about a YouTuber and as soon as I go up and say I'm a YouTuber, they all go, oh, well, well, look at what we have here. Mr. Computer.

I wouldn't even admit that. He was cross-breeded to be here. Can I say, how I found out about this podcast, well, I did see the Jacksepticeye episode. Oh, yeah. Primarily because my girlfriend watches it and I wanted to impress her. Shout out to your girlfriend. Shout out, Molly. Where does she live?

What? Just say it on the show. Address, blood type. Drop the latin long. Thanks for listening to the show address blood type drop the latin long thanks for listening to the show hopefully after this one as well and thanks for being my girlfriend unless in the time this airs we've broken up

in which case thanks for having me thanks for everything thanks for everything so long and thanks for all the fish it was great unless we aren't anymore in which case good for you.

Unless in that time we've since gotten back together again, in which case, I believe in us and I think we're going to last. In that thing with the toilet roll

where you place it the wrong way around in my bathroom and I hate it. Skip past that part. She's traveling with you? She's coming out in two weeks

for a week, yeah. Oh, awesome. Yes. Yes. Time to prove my worth. Yes. Yeah. Before we forget, this is a podcast called Sad Boys.

It's called Sad Boys. Have we been sad? But, you know, to me, it looks like we've been cheerful. We've been chumly. We've been pretty cheerful. We've been chumly. You ever get sad? You ever get sad, Tom?

I get sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do you, do you, like. Let me change my body language. You know, I was sat like this and now- Yeah.

Look, open the crotch hole wide open. There you go. There you go. Now we're talking. Crotch facing the world. Crotch facing the world. An open hole to my soul. That idea to me is so funny.

Checking. Oh, it is? Okay. Because that is weird. Yeah, because people don't do that. No. Yeah yeah people don't do that at all turn the toilet paper around um we'll check do you feel like you have a good support system yeah man my uh yeah my support system is brilliant i mean it's been a pretty uh sort of rocky few weeks before coming out for tour so it's really uh you know my parents are so brilliant and they're very supportive and you feel rocky because you were about to go on tour because i mean so i had

testicle surgery and then yeah which is that's the correct facial expression yeah that's what you're showing it i've got to i've got to get a surprise the doctor's ordered ventilation are you feeling all right you feeling all right i'm feeling all right now but i had a few days where like i had a day where every step would was like getting punched in the balls oh my god it was it was horrible what was the like how did that i you've probably so i woke up one morning and had testicular torsion which is where you wake up in the the fatal twist yeah uh and it was the worst pain i've ever been in i woke woke up like, and then, yeah. So I went to the doctors and then they were like,

oh, your ball could be dying. And I went, oh, and then luckily it wasn't. Could be. But then I was like, I'm going on this tour and they were like, well, it could happen again. I went, oh. They're like, is it funny? Like, is it funny?

Cause that, cause we could. Cause imagine on stage how to be a billionaire. Cause if it's not, this could make it funnier. We're concerned about the conditions. I'm about to go on tour. It's like, Mr. Hollywood. Look at me think he is. Going in buildings.

Getting surgery. You're a little too high and mighty for us here. We'll keep your balls twisted, okay? The ambulance driver's slowing down. Wow, wow, wow. Plays video games for money, huh? Oh, he's dead. Oh, there he goes.

He's twisting. But yeah, no, so that happened. And then because of the tour, they were like, you should get surgery. So I went in. That was terrifying. Yeah, first time. First time ever having surgery on my balls. I'm a real subjective to body horror guy

like my dad once fainted in class when they dissected a frog i am like like i get i can't it's no good even oh roadkill i get i like get i have to like this and this sounds like a joke but when i get all panicked about body horror stuff i start taking off all my clothes because they get all hot oh right i've sat on my pants many a time just like yeah that's real that's real ventilation does good cool yeah mesh tank this is maybe this is weird the last time i had food poisoning i did that i was like i just fever yeah i'm like i just i just i don't know what this is you sat in your pants yeah you know i say my pants all the time. No, last time you had food poisoning.

You had to sit in your pants. Yeah, it was like a compulsion. Like, I was like, I can't be wearing this shirt. Yeah, yeah. I get out if people start explaining stuff about arseholes to me. I go, what? Hang on. Can I?

Oh, God. What was the toilet roll? What's the roll? Oh, boy. How do I even? You come out nude things got a little chubbly but um yeah yeah so um i had that surgery and then the rehearsal started and i was in

kind of a pain but we had two weeks of rehearsals and a load of online stuff happened that was kind of horrible um and then the tour started so that was it's been quite challenging few weeks but um yeah i mean my parents were really great and that's talked to and um i was getting like really overwhelming online so i would just um i get quite overwhelmed by it so what i would do is uh ring my mom every few days and she'd give me the status update on what was going on and i go that's sweet oh okay thanks mom that is so which is so sick that's really good advice um that i have recently started applying myself which is yeah for some reason i don't like it can be good it can be good uh things i don't like watching things about myself

online yeah oh god or looking at comments about it like we had love begun i still don't like watching things about myself online. Yeah. Oh God. Or looking at comments about it. Like we had Ludwig on, I still don't know if he was lying to me, but he was like, I love it. I love seeing people react to me. And I was like, I like,

uh, he's insane. Someone has been alive for a year though. Yeah. Yeah. Someone will give me a compliment and someone will send me a clip and I'll just go, what does it say?

Tell me what they say. I don't want to, I can't watch it it myself because it's like nails on a chalkboard yeah it really is man i mean i find i can sort of the more community aspects of it i don't mind so i'd like don't mind my reddit but as soon as um as soon as information is like you know i could hear it from my mum or i could hear it from a hundred thousand people online and that's when i get very stressed information in in what way? Especially with controversies and stuff like that, I have to not go.

Because in 2021, dude, it was fucking hell for me. So I've been through the ring with that stuff. I mean, and also, just for context, in 2021, you're what, 16? Yeah, dude, I was 16, and I was on such a strange pedestal at that time for my age. It was quite odd. So I think that does submit to you.

Well, I was going to ask about that because how do you stay grounded? Other than like the natural British self-deprecation. Yeah, there's a lot of that. There's the imposter syndrome. I mean, I speak to my parents a lot. That's good. I think I've always, I think I really have grown up loving my way of living like i've never wanted i'm so happy where i am from and uh sort of the parks nearby my dogs so with all the kind of big

changes to my life like i never didn't want to like i have a lot of friends which is no nothing bad about this but once they've got more money i've been like yeah i fucking like the nicer food and yeah i like that right that just isn't that just doesn't tickle my fancy like yeah i'm cool with whatever sounds like your foundations are very solid yeah yeah and i'm so thankful for like my parents and even my dogs yeah i mean that's so important to like keep yourself grounded because even if things are good or they're bad, like the people who are close to you, your loved ones, your family, your pets, like they can kind of remind you because you've had the ups and downs already, you know, with your mom and your dad and your dogs, you know, they've probably been with you through that and so there's like it's like having uh knowing how far you can fall like there's no matter what is going on anything i'm struggling with in work or some kind of discourse i'm forced to be a part of or stress or surgery anything like that like rock bottom still your family

and your dogs and your yeah the things you do what a pet p not pet peeves the opposite dogs creature comforts and i don't know oh i've never heard that. That's cool. If I have like a strategy for keeping, I think it's quite, I really think about it in my head. Like I don't want to, if I ever feel like, did I like that? No.

Were your parents kind of, no, my parents are very good. Are they kind of touchy-feely, emotional talk? Yeah, really. We can talk about anything, but my parents,

I don't have any siblings, so we're very, very tight knit. But, that's what you thought till today yeah timmy you know um tom and tim but yeah we um yeah i like call my mom like every other day like since i've moved out and my dad does all my work with me so he's been sort of i've never had to do like an accountant call or taxes because my dad just so i've been been really, really lucky because of them. And also just people I have in my life, like my two best mate, like my roommate, Aaron, who is also kind of a content creator.

I've known him since I was like six. And my best mate, Freddie, who's in the show, I've known him. He's been my best friend since I was like 11. And I think because of that, we've all sort of gone through it together. Or like Tubbo, I met when he had zero, I had 20 viewers and he had zero. So we've all kind of gone through it together and it's very easy for us.

Like we get together a lot and fucking watch our old favorite YouTubers and go, oh, I'm friends with them now. Like we met some of them at one of the shows afterwards and I get this wave of like, holy shit, they have YouTube rank on Minecraft. Thank you so much. That actually means a lot that you would say that about me.

It's actually all been about you. Because I didn't make any videos at the time, so it's remarkable that you would feel that. I used to work at Patreon. I was such a fan of his work. He's my favorite coder. I would never code, dude. That was my job.

Jordan. Getting laid. No. that was my job jordan uh getting laid no uh on uh our old careers page at patreon it used to i'm sure we could do like um the wayback machine and find this but it used to have like uh on the careers page it would have or the about us or something it was like photos of all the employees because the company was really small yeah oh wow and there's like a photo of jordan where it says like chief executive cool guy you have fun little names yeah you should get paid for that and then and uh which is obviously a fake it's obviously a fake title

i'll never tell the um and for a while people thought jordan was the ceo of patreon because it would there would be like uh auto scraping for linkedin records or whatever so if you looked up patreon instead of listing people manually they would just scrape and push all that data into their salesforce they're like oh it says chief executive okay i was a ceo and i got sued really twice which i was then removed from because it was not me but people you know if somebody gets like kicked off the platform or something sometimes i'll yeah i'll kill you and then i got like um cease and desist reports from the better business bureau because like you know like there'd be like a patron of someone of a creator, not a creator I was associated with in any way. And they would, I don't know, not give the reward they were supposed to or something.

Yeah. And then it would be, so it's like patron who paid like the $5 would be like, I, you need to arrest this creator. And if we wouldn't follow up on that, you know, arresting them, then we would get a, yeah, thomas adika cope is going to the electric chair we have to kill him he's the he's the mastermind of patreon i did a little bit of googling and i found out this guy's in charge this guy needs to die yeah and he needs to die this 21 year old must have kicked it off um i think that's that's really important just to have because

i think what can happen is that someone doesn't like gets a lot of the sort of uh fame and in in sort of eyeballs and things like that and then they're surrounded by a whole new group of people and then having people that you can very much lose sight of like who you are all of my friends call me a dickhead whenever i'm a dickhead they don't like you they don't like you all the time yeah they punch me as well that is one thing i think that it's nice to like i love being here i've been here well first move to the u.s coming up on nine years eight years right now yeah eights before nine and I'm not a coder. I'll take your word for it. Pretty sick at numbers.

There is an element of like, so, I mean, Jarvis and I have known each other a really long time through that. Yeah, yeah. And you remember younger versions of me. You remember pre-Invisalign Jordan. You know, you remember early versions of Sad Boys Jordan and like stressed from work jordan as opposed to like new edition and pre uh covet i feel like that's like a big part of it i feel like

transformation and the only person i really the two people i stay in touch with uh my aunt and my uh my friend joel who i've known since i was like two yeah no one else in my life has ever seen like family photos of me under the age of 20 and like anything's on facebook we don't have any we don't know where like family photos and stuff are and i feel every now and then when i was back in the uk it was really nice being called out on yeah especially cringy shit that i did in 2010 sure like oh mr mr cut all his hair off and i feel like um yeah like covid really helped me and my friends as well what you're saying there because like my my best mates i've been in the call with for years have like been tubbo jack manifold um freddy my friend aaron and then uh i made harry if you know him

but what he's we've only met him last year but like potter because of harry potter but like um i think because of covid like i wasn't very like emotionally talkative before covid um and i started therapy before it was cool in like 2021. I'm pretty messed up. Sick and twisted since the funeral. I said that in like 2021, like I started therapy and everyone was like, wow. I didn't know he wants to kill himself. That's not, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I always thought he should. Every commentary, they were jumping on it. Like, wow, what have you done to this boy? And I'm like, guys, it's not that bad. But anyway, I feel like COVID. We're big proponents of therapy and also normalizing it. It's not always a crisis. It could just be like, hey, I just want an independent.

Did you talk about it publicly to some extent in content? Yeah, I did at the time. I was like, I started it. I sort of said it just like as an's an off comment and i was like wow i've been there so many guys mess this kid up so many non-commenty people that would probably get a lot of validation and value either start going to therapy as a result or at least validate mental health as yeah i never thought about that it's not prohibitive to being someone you can respect yeah sure sure but he went to therapy so he's not right in the head i thought yeah like covid because we're like a group of guys and especially for me being like an english kid you wouldn't

really have those chats i think because we sort of ran out of things to talk about about three months in of the six months and by that you kind of just start telling each other more deep shit and weird shit right so like i feel like now we're at such a point with these guys i've known for years that we could talk about literally anything and just in like our every any conversation will get quite deep um because we're just so sort of used to that now so that's really cool i sort of it was only around uh my girlfriend because she hangs out with us loads now i was like wow you guys are like chat differently to how most male friends are very encouraging babies are a bunch of babies.

I was getting chumly. You're going to be going to therapy. What? That's when we started the podcast. That was kind of the original premise was like we could be, you know, making shit jokes or whatever and then talk about our feelings but we didn't feel like we had that just like being guys there wasn't a lot of like guys openly talking about stuff like that because it's great we started the podcast in 2017 fucking hell but you were uh almost born i was 12 yeah that's two we get those dms though where it's like i've been listening to the podcast since i was born or whatever my father's day of birth yeah uh but it was like very low key

like for the majority of the time and it was like so people can like go back and but yeah people can't it's all still on the same feed and it's like we'll do our like 2018 has always just been you two yeah just us that's mad yeah yeah not jacob yeah jacob jacob is our new our new member of the the team as of this last year and has the reason that we actually post regularly because it used to be it used to be me doing this shit and i can't be trusted i can't be trusted in adobe audition let me tell you it's funny to say new and now what come back with the picture on 100 yeah the episode rate has just like skyrocketed because because one of the things is like you know we talk about this a lot like i we both have adhd

jordan has you know bipolar too and um i have he's sick and twisted he likes family guy i love the i have like a big like executive function problem a lot of times and like if i'm working on something a lot of times it's like very all-consuming yeah and so if i'm you know editing the podcast like late at night or like trying to wrangle all the footage or something like that then i might not work on a video and i might do this other thing and then everything in my life starts to like like uh get uh lodged you know where like nothing is happening and it's been really useful to like have help and like yeah oh okay i need i need help and i wouldn't have like i was lucky like in one of my early internships you know going to school for tech like i was a coder i was a

programmer yeah and like going to school for that kind of thing, there's a, it's a lot of it is like a pissing contest with like, oh, I'm so smart. I'm like, I'm a know-it-all. And you become afraid to ask for help because, oh, you're supposed to know. Aren't you a genius? Like, and that's not really how it is, but like, that's people want you to think they are, you know, that, and I luckily- That's very marketable as well for work. Oh, and yeah. And it's like the people like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, like have made you to think they are yeah you know that and i that's very marketable as well for work oh and yeah and it's like the people like mark zuckerberg and elon musk like have made sort of pr careers off of being having this unattainable genius when in reality that's not what they have um and uh i think you get to like a certain point in life where you kind of think that there's like these

people here and then you're here and you kind of then meet these people and you go, oh, and then you meet these people and you go, oh, and you realize we're all just fucking dickheads. I think it's important. Fetishizing that kind of like there's a nirvana you can reach with enough either success or money or groundedness when in reality it's like, I mean, I think we could all say that we feel like

we've grown emotionally over time. But I don't think I'm cresting on done. I don't think I'm going to wrap it up by 40. Yeah, you should never be done, right? And I think you kind of get that with, sorry, I'm not... No, please. Like careers as well.

One of the things I noticed, especially sort of in the past three years, is like this kind of, I don't know if maybe fetishize or romanticize like people talk about youtube now like it's like the career and i'm like i don't like it's great but i think you you got to do it like because you love it right and like every youtuber that's doing it because they fucking love it and people talk about it now like it's like how they used to talk about celebrities and shit and then i don't know what the thing was before that but like harvesting war but like it's proper weird isn't it because it when we started it was just like

you want to do it yeah and i mean that is uh like sorry it's like as opposed to like being a video game soundtrack creator or like uh an author or these still like fucking sick careers there's not this community of like yeah it it becomes this like uh this goal in this thing that's like oh if i get to if i become this then i'm going to have solved life and there's so many more sources for even something you know something as kind of flimsy and intangible as any kind of art production or let's just say like filmmaking for example yeah yeah screenwriting there are screenwriters have a pretty thick veil between themselves and the thing they produce it goes through thousands of people before it ever

makes it to the eyes of the people that might admire that and want to be a writer but i think if you have parasocials like an overused word but if you have some degree of connection with creators and you relate to them then you'll see youtube as like the the vector for being like them it's like i will be a youtuber and then i will be like tommy as opposed to that it might be a completely different thing that you feel you get a sense of community and consistency and value out of your tribe might be elsewhere but i think youtube is such a like digestible idea like i go on like young people as well and it's not really yeah like i feel like after like 24 or so many less people watch youtube yeah yeah and and that's the thing well that a lot of that has changed over time too because

you know when youtube started it's to now it it's so much more legitimized. It's so much more mainstream. And that- We're slightly past the, you make money, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in the right Uber, in the back of the right Uber, it still might be like, what do you do? And it's like, oh, YouTube.

It's like, oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah. Because I even still had the, you make money doing that conversations with some of my co-workers at patreon you know what i mean like where it's like you what do you think our job is like we make money for them yeah and so uh yeah i think it is just this thing where the same thing happened with like coding it became you know my uh like when i majored in computer science it was like uh five percent of the people in the engineering school were like doing uh cs and then like now it's like 20 and it's like all the classes are like five times as big and they're the intro classes are like bursting at the seams because everyone sees it as like this like thing that is like a meal ticket to like a different life and it is actually for

earn earn and it can be because i don't want to uh i don't want to create a value judgment on like someone who does something because they like it versus someone who does something because it's a stable career that can like set them up uh financially because uh it's also okay to want to get a job that makes money so that you can like support your family and you know like live a good life outside of outside of work so i think there's like multiple reasons for things to get it uh reasons to get into stuff and you know youtube is justuring. It's still like very young, but... I mean, YouTube was sort of that when you started. Was it a, I love this creator.

I want to be that one. For me, it was like... Well, I sort of started a few times, I think as we all did, and then like found my footing on Twitch weirdly, which is mad, right? Yeah, sort of... That's a frustrating thing right it's like

if somebody reaches out say how do you do that i'm like not the way you're currently planning yeah some other coincidence i think i just saw watch other people oh that looks like fun and then tried it and then i mean still basically just look at other people and go that looks like fun yeah or get an idea or anything that might be fun is there a kind of part of you that wants because live show obviously is such a priority right now yeah it's funny because you were saying like i thought you might get into like traditional film production or like more high production content and then the thing you're now doing is like stand-up is the lowest it is the most straightforward human with a microphone kind of process the thing that i really connect with about youtube and and about stand-up is um it's sort of the few art forms where

what i have in my mind and what goes out are the least barriers to get to it so even in uh like in the book or i haven't done any tv stuff yet but like i know that there's countless people you kind of have to get through right and the vision can be really yeah it really can there's a lot of effort into uh please let me do this yeah um i think like oh no i fully just lost it i had it then you know what you know what you're gonna say and then you what oh no no i'm a sad boy you you were placed for it yeah you were saying youtube is in in twitch and stuff for like one of the few art forms where you can go yeah yeah so i can sort of say exactly what's in my head out right stand up but what i think i'm getting a bit older really starting to appreciate is um i think i think it's quite daunting on

the internet is you make something you put it out there and then people are seeing it and receiving it within seconds. I think that that isn't necessarily good for all forms of art kind of obviously. And things that take more time on. And you know, what I really like about stand-up is it's not write it, say it, cool, it's done. It's, you know, I've done this

same set like four times and I'm holding it and getting it funny. You can't do that on YouTube. You can't do the same hour and then go. Is there a... Again, we are inverting. I mean, YouTube obviously has its own artifice, right? It can never be exactly the real you because you need to retain that personally

and not everything that's the real us is particularly interesting. Like, you know, maybe funny or maybe matches up with something. But is stand-up for you like a more authentic version of yourself yes yeah yeah and it's definitely like it's giving me a lot more confidence to then go on youtube and be more myself stand up and kind of like figure out what

that kind of how i'd articulate yeah even stand-ups like talk about this process process of finding your voice and how it takes years and years and years of honing yourself to really find yourself. And I think that's something that never ends. That's a journey that is constantly evolving. Which I think a lot of people feel insecure because they don't feel like they've gotten to the end yet, which is an odd thing to worry about

because that sounds very boring. Yeah. Not having any more evolution. I think there's so many points where I thought, oh, I'm going to get to the end yet which is an odd thing to worry about because that sounds very boring yeah yeah i think there's so many points where i thought oh i'm gonna get to the end and then you get there and you go i gotta live and why am i still worried right yeah um but yeah i think um yeah that process of like finding out how you want to talk and what you want to be like and and what's most kind of true to you i think stand up really um you can only be the whole premise of stand up which is kind of undercut on youtube is you can just you just have to be yourself and like there's no being it just all has to be true to you

and i love that i love that that is the you can't you know on youtube you can look at how someone else does it go i'm gonna take that and you can take, you know, on YouTube, you can look at how someone else does it and go, I'm going to take that and you can take it and make your version of it and it works. That just doesn't work on stand-up. You can only be yourself. And I really, like, love that. I think it's so, and that's kind of why one of the biggest things

I love about YouTube is that, like, emphasis of it. So that's what I'm really finding I enjoy. Hell yeah. Is there, like, some type of produced work that's what i'm really finding i enjoy hell yeah is there like some type of produced work that you want to because i mean as you say like doing live performances is a very specific function and you kind of iterate within that right that's like i'm i play jazz guitar yeah and i go and i do jazz guitar performances and then this is i feel like youtubers can be more like it's just like an orchestra i I could just do whatever.

You've done the content you were most known for prior and that very consistently. And now you're doing live show and stand up as a kind of new adventure. Is there a third thing kind of on the horizon? Could be five, 10 years away, but I want to do X. Yeah. So I think for like the short term for me,

it's now just kind of honing in on my sort of stand-up and youtube and a little bit of twitch and the other bullshit but um yeah tiktok but yeah i think um not gonna be a problem yeah but i think i uh there's so much stuff i'd like to make it so much stuff that inspires me i've gone so into films over the past few years but i think i just kind of slowly want to get good at those things that sort of speak to me and yeah hone your skills i think that like pursuit of skills is like such a beautiful i love that purpose you know because it's just like fun to try to get better at something

and then to like see your growth over time it's nice to have landmarks yeah yeah it's like working out like seeing yourself feel better or get stronger like yeah right the past yeah but i think i mean it kind of feels like i'd like to put in so much effort into because i really am loving doing uh comedy um for a while and then see where that takes me because i'm pretty like if you said do you want to do some serious acting or would you like to do a book or would you like to have your own film or most of them i go yeah yeah give me a minute yeah but sort of see where that goes yeah i think it's like you're following your curiosity it sounds like which is like awesome can i heartmatch something that you mentioned ages ago question for you jordan oh this is like a

this is a deep question because i don't know what does it mean to have bipolar because i don't know anything about oh yeah in the case bipolar 2 um it honestly it's a little bit like any kind of broad mental health diagnosis where all it really means is there's a handful of potential symptoms. Once you have 60% of them, it's wise to use terminology because then if you go to therapy or something, you can use it as a shorthand to translate your personal experiences without going through everything you've ever been through and said you can say, I have bipolar 2,

and they can extrapolate on that a little bit. In my case, I always kind of avoided the 24 got the adhd diagnosis and then after starting stimulants i was just going insane i just i felt so much better i felt like who i was i felt functional but i would just have these like i just wouldn't sleep for three days and i was like what is going on i don't want to do this, but I guess, guys, we should start three bands today. Like, what is this? And in that case, it was escalated by stimulants in my case, but I just don't know my whole life.

And that, specifically bipolar II, presents as something called hypomania. And that would be extreme periods of obsession or enthusiasm, sometimes not even positive, just intensity yeah some people more physical something more emotional then uh proportional bouts of depression so it's bipolar bipolarity big highs big lows big highs big lows that happens depending on your the severity of the treatment my case very rare now because I'm happy with the medication that I have and I still feel like myself, et cetera.

But bipolar I typically might go two, three years without any kind of spike. And then the spike is 10,000 times bigger than my highs yeah yeah and those that's kind of the cliche of uh you know uh we had a friend that went in the hospital for a bipolar break at one point which he has talked about publicly but there's one second he talked about it and he called me saying he was god like it was that's the height of that wow yeah and you know they're obviously very different things but that's kind of the broad strokes is big highs, big lows, back and forth. Okay, yeah, sure. But, you know.

Because I feel like it's so different in media. Like in media, it's like you have two personalities, isn't it? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's kind of conflated with schizophrenia. Communication in media has been so bad, which is part of the reason where it's like if you say you're going to therapy, it's like, oh, you're going to therapy it's like oh okay well you're this guy's wacko he's crazy and when in reality it's just like i get

sad sometimes and i like don't have strategies for like navigating that and yeah i think depression specifically is a term just means to some people means sad but because you're a baby yeah yeah no no how about getting a job there's so many people who uh will tweet shit who like don't believe in depression and they're like uh just take a shower and like pump some iron go for a walk why aren't these people just touching grass these fucking depressive people that just overdose on steroids two years of all the sort of Go for a walk. Why aren't these people just touching grass? These fucking depressors. These are the same people that just overdose on steroids. Two years of all the sort of Andrew Tate stuff and that like weird hustle bullshit.

Yeah. That was pretty odd. I mean, that is, I think, I think your presence online and like peers and similar people talking about something like mental health or treatment or to whatever extent you want to is kind of the antidote for that type of content because the answer is not hey there's a

fail state you're failing when you feel bad so if you're not able to brute force your way through it that's because you're worse than me like you don't have the juice what color is your Bugatti? And drink a bottle of water. Also, how many times can you cum? Let me see. Please, please. Oh, man. What a weird guy. You like him, you said. You like Andrew Tay?

You love Andrew Tay. He's your favorite. Oh, mate. You piss me off so much. That's the thing with friends. Did you have any... Because, like like generationally, I feel like the target audience is like the older teenager male demographic.

Did you have friends and peers who were like trying to, starting to get sucked into that? When I was at school, it was none of my close mates, because we're all not like morons but like there were like at our school it was like ksi you'd watch and get into that and that was a lot less harmful at the time um yeah i think that whole space is just more authentic it's just like yeah they've got big uh older cousin energy yeah they do they're like a bit like that's kind of oh yeah there's a few like but the thing is over time it's weird because like uh

it's it's i feel the same way about where at least in the past i felt the same way about like jake and logan paul but where you can tell over time they're learning and they were never going to lose their platform so it's important that they develop as people because yeah the world's not going to change the more that they uh the the like like when logan paul had that thing about um it's not enough to be racist you have to be anti-racist and i was like oh okay. Okay. This is good. And then he proceeded to do a bunch of crypto scams after that. You know, and I'm like, okay. But like, it feels like they kind of have a good heart.

Right. It's very... It's got so much LA in them. Yeah. No, no, no. Fred Lai. Born and bred. I'm from Florida, which is worse.

They got a lot of stroud in them very Nottingham go to it's weird but it is a different energy where Andrew Tate just feels evil yeah they don't feel like they have a good like a lot of it just feels like oh man did your like mum not love you at all who wasn't there

my dad was a chess master I grew up in the US and uk that's the problem yeah that's a problem yeah i just don't get like it's just like you could probably psychoanalyze in like two seconds be like oh that's why you're like that because yeah and i feel like all these like sort of people my age or younger that kind of follow this will like it'll get them like if they like have a partner they're not gonna because like like i think it's just so they'll figure out go oh hang on or there's like there's reddit posts and stuff where it's like i've been following this stuff i've been doing this stuff

and then i started dating people but like girls don't like it when i mention these guys what's that about i like uh like i like andrew i like his work tristan's so cool but when i go on a date and i threaten to do karate at them they don't like that i like it but how come no one ever hugs me yeah i think i would get more hugs that's what you don't need hugs that's a sign of weakness it's an impossible loop where like i don't want to be too charitable to bad behavior or bad uh mindset but you know frankly that's probably a point if i think if i wasn't raised by a single mother who was a very proactive feminist and i was a very dorky kid yeah yeah i just wasn't exposed to that and it was when i saw it for the first time

it like this is incompatible with the thing the values that i feel like i've been told are correct but that's technically what happens when you're a kid like language you pick it up and values you just automatically belong with people in your school like i do stupid shit at school that like you know because like you want to fit in with the popular kids but it's like oh man then you get a little bit older and you're like man those guys are mean horrible man yeah i'm lucky those people were making fun of me because I was like a dork. Yeah, you're right, guys. We're friends from this.

Yeah, we're friends. I also hate women. Right? Is that what everyone wants to hear? Is that cool now? He's buzzed. What the hell? Let's drink Strongbow at the park, guys.

Yeah. I love it. When's the next show the next show is in phoenix tomorrow oh wow yeah yeah they're about to start being like back to back to back to back oh my gosh are you going to arizona tonight and then i leave at eight o'clock oh my gosh okay tom jarvis thank you so much for joining us today. Man, thank you guys for having me. This has been really wonderful. You've got to get on a flight and do a show, and then you've got to get on another flight.

On a bus, not a flight. A bus. I'm driving. Oh, shit. You're not driving the bus. God forbid. Getting a shift in. Finally working.

Oh, man. Yeah, you were just saying your tour stops are about to be back to back to back. Yeah, yes. It's the next two months. So are a lot of you as American? Mm-hmm. Oh, wow, well, guys.

I'd say like 60%, maybe. Oh, cool. If you like comedy, then come along, man. Tommy.com. They're not funny. Oh, okay. Sorry, the 60% of Americans. Wait, is it Tommy.com?

Tommyinit.com. Oh, Tommyinit.com, yeah. God forbid. Tommy. I was going to say. Tommyinit.com. Get those tour dates. This will come out next week week so you will still be

on tour where will i be next should i have a look where i'll be next yeah so this is going to come out on friday guys he was just in arizona so make sure to have gone to that in the past check out that show in the past friday the 22nd at around 11 a.m is when this will come out i will be about to play dallas and then austin the next day right, cool. So if you're watching this the day this comes out, Tommy's got a show in Dallas, then Austin after that. Then Raleigh. Then Raleigh. And then just go to TommyInnit.com, see all the tour dates,

go see the show. Stop it. Every single, everyone has to go to every single show. See, all like, just need 10 of you to come to everyone, and we'll be fine. If the tickets are sold out go to the building Anyway, violate You're in Texas bring a gun

Tom we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. Boo! We're joined by a very special guest, Russell, my childhood friend. We just did the math 20 years. Too long. Way too long. And you're in the high school musical video that was on my YouTube channel.

That's right. And of course, you were Troy and I was Court in Blue. In this, right? Yeah. I actually still have this shirt by the way. Oh, that's wild.

I almost wore it. Gucci girl. Gucci girl. How you doing? How you moving up? Moving up. How's your day looking? That future girl.

Future girl. Yeah, we are now. Take my money. Go away. Are you on you wanting girl too rich for me