Sad Boyz - Toxic Masculinity Final Boss (w/ Taha Khan)

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

Sad Boyz take on London. Taha Khan joins to discuss if it's weird to call the homies to say goodnight. Find Taha's work at Answer In Progress Make this summer your healthiest yet with Green Chef. Head to Greenchef.com/50SADBOYZ and use code 50SADBOYZ to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months with free shipping. Sad Boyz Nightz 126 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Over 100 Bonus Episodes: Sad Boyz Nightz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ✨⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find Us Everywhere⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠✨ 00:00:00 Taha of Answer In Progress! 00:05:33 Conventions Are Getting Worse 00:19:19 Sponsored By Green Chef 00:20:35 Taha Cavetown Era 00:35:12 Desert Storm Trading Cards 00:47:18 Archiving Digital Information & History 01:01:20 Calling The Homies To Say Goodnight 01:08:29 Location Sharing 01:13:40 Calling Your Brother Goodnight 01:20:33 Calling Your Son-In-Law Goodnight CREW: Guest: Taha Khan Hosted by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jarvis Johnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jordan Adika⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Produced & Edited by Jacob Skoda Produced by Anastasia Vigo Thumbnail design by @yungmcskrt Outro music by @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Hello. I'm back. In this episode, choose your brown guy from online. Your options are Jordan or today's guest, Taha. Taha, Taha, Kahn.

Do you go by Taha? Do you go by Taha? Do you go by Kahn stop? What if I right now was like, yeah? You just bleep, I believe y'all. No, yeah, I go by all of those things. Dr. Smooth. Yeah.

Taha, I, we go way back. I just realized. but you are currently representing answer in progress. Yeah, I'm the demo. You're a hired gun. We should mention there's a lot of people off screen monitoring the things he said. Yes.

Very natural, yeah. Yeah, one third of answer in progress. That's what I do now and maybe forever. But yeah. It's in progress. We'll find out. Trouble in paradise. Trouble in progress.

How long have you been doing that? Because I've not seen you for almost a decade. Well, can we just back up? So we met a million thousand years ago. Yeah. And so we're going to piece together the history between... Should we go from the beginning or from... Yeah, let's do that.

Okay. Christ is born. Okay. That was exactly the same thing. The beginning. The beginning. The sequel to the previous bit. So...

And then we met. Those are the two major events. Do you know what goes? It goes Christ born and then VidCon 2017. Bold Vidcon 2017. That was the one. believe so because VidCon 2017 was when I was there for work. Yeah.

You were there for work. I met you at a Patreon party. Yes. Yes. Yes. And you were like getting people into the Patreon party because you were like the cool guy who was inviting people to the party. That was the cool cat that was giving out too many of the party offers, but not really allowed to do that many and then claimed that the bill, that the little clipboard was wrong. Yeah.

I mean, I don't think I was like allowed to be there. And so you probably let me it. Oh, it's possible. I think it was 21 and over. I do you think it was 21 and over. I remember that being like a subplot. Yeah. Because it wasn't like you were drinking or anything,

but it was more about the like, yeah, worth noting. But statute of limitations, but also you weren't drinking. But I don't even know if you drink. I don't drink. Yeah, yeah. So, so, but it was more about the, it was about the schmoozing. We were, I mean, for me, I was, it was like my first time at VidCon Singh, like,

YouTube people and I was like oh my god so I was like it's that green he's right there it's my umphee it's my own feet it's oh my god all my future umpies are yeah a lot of vidcon uh is like about trying to get into the rooms that are exclusive not because you really want to be in there but because it's fun trying to get it yeah it does give you like a little quest yeah because what else is that to do yeah it's like walk around in the hopes that you find one then uh the universal experience of someone coming up and being like, are you getting in the shuttle? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

VidCon is in, by the way. Exactly. VidCon's in dire straits. It's in, maybe you don't? I actually don't know. I mean, I went last this year briefly. It was recently. For one panel.

Right? It was recently, yeah. And just like the vibe, it's been acquired by a new company. So it was John. Hank Green, then Viacom. And now Viacom is life.

And now it's some other company. And I don't remember that. Now it's Palantir. Yeah, it's it's defense contractor Palantir. Do you know I have a history with them? Really? We can't talk about it on the show. Just as just say, we've got some equipment.

We want to show you a little bit later if you care to invest. 2017, I feel like, was still very much the, the sweetie Green Brothers aesthetic and texture of VidCon. I feel it was the end of the end of the. that, or the beginning of the end of that era. It was definitely, like, prom. Oh, my God. I could definitely feel the corporate in it at that point, because I think it was already

acquired at that point, or it was about to be. Yeah, it's either already or about to be. It's one of those. Yeah, I don't remember. But we were definitely, I felt wrapped up in fandom a little bit. Oh, for sure. I mean, I wasn't even really supposed to be there, but Patreon was, like, a small enough company that my team was working on this, like, mobile product.

And we just asked really nicely. And somehow Sam Yam let us go. Can we get on the shuttle? Like for market research or something, some bullshit. Because back in the early days of Patreon, the whole company went to VidCon, like in the first, like, year or two of the company. And it got big enough to the point where that wasn't happening anymore. And a lot of people wanted to go. So I feel like we benefited from some sort of favoritism because we had like a new product that everybody was excited about.

I got to give like a vague. What am I doing that? I don't know, probably networking. Probably going to network, you know, around. Because you need to grow your network. The issue I think is people being on it. People, the issue I think is none of people know me. Yeah.

And so they're like, well, I'd launch a Patreon, but who's the guy? Patreon will be more successful if more people knew me personally. I was like clippy when you're setting it up. It looks like you're trying to set up. Yeah, you walk into frames on the website. Dude, it's a living. That's the guy. Like in the lower third ads that they would do for like sitcoms on NBC

Where it'd be like home improvement after this Yeah I remember Is now owned by Informa a British publishing Business and intelligence company Oh my god That was actually the high five of denouncing Defence

Why are we surveying? I see Mr. Bees is an intelligence asset and we don't know. Dude, there's so much... I think we know. There are so many stories, by the way, about, like, uh,

like companies like Facebook buying up, this is a real, real story. Facebook bought a VPN. And then, you know how VPNs these days make a big, like, to do about the fact that they don't store logs.

Yeah. Or they don't like use them or whatever. Um, Facebook bought some, uh, Israeli VPN company. This is not a job. and took all of its traffic and analyzed it, and it's how they determined, like,

how popular their competitors were. And so it was how they decided to, because with the VPN, they could then tell session time for every other app that you were connecting to. And so you could build a profile and discover that Snapchat was becoming popular. And it was one of the, allegedly, one of the leading reasons that they discovered Snapchat

was going to be something. like worth making an acquisition attempt toward. And then like... And it is essentially the CIA. Yeah. It's functioning exactly the same way. And then they did the same thing to a period tracking app. This is not a joke.

Yeah, I've heard about this. Yeah, it's so crazy. Just like... I've also heard there was a, there was like a Muslim Prayer Time app that was bought by a company that was associated with intelligence and everyone went, okay, well...

It seems a bit easy to do like adjit props. Yeah. stuff where you just go like, I don't know, I'll buy somebody's laptop. Yeah, it's like, kill them. We find out, we find out Cocoa Mellon was spying on toddlers and trying to do the like thought crime thing of determining who would become a criminal

based on how they react to the stimulus. The Costco guys were like, every single one of those booms is installing some kind of like winter soldier code in my brain. When they hit the 1,000th boom, I reactivate and I hunt down. Oh my God. This is what Baby Shark really is. Yeah.

Dude, it may as well be. It is. Sometimes I do feel like, yeah, it's a battened, like the Frozen song. Finger family, Elsa, Spider-Man, whatever. What was that about? Okay, so. I'm going to do a destabilize Haiti or something. What I remember about you back in the day was you were very charismatic.

Oh, thank you. It reminded me. I was 19. It reminded, yeah, well, you lost a bit of the luster these days. The, uh, it reminded me of Jordan in a way, like a young, just because you're both very, like... He just can't tell the difference between brown British people.

Dude, what I'm the same? You're preaching of the choir here because we talk about this. What are you other Patreon employees? People mix us up at Patreon despite the fact that we worked in different departments and we're not the same person. Or look at all.

Could be anything. Yeah. People mix up Sabrina and Melissa. Okay. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. For people who don't know, I run a channel,

aren't some progress with two other people, Sabrina and Melissa. That are indistinguishable. Yeah. But there will be comments like... Well, I've never seen him in the same room. there'll be comments like oh Melissa looks really different in this one or and you'll just be like oh that's just a different person that is very different yeah that's wild and it's not like

it's not like that's a single that's not like oh you know your other video is not like this one it's like hey you know this show that I really like with these three people the first order thought was they've been replaced that's people let that comment on like the Drew Gooden episode we just said Jordan looks different but like the classic they know yeah that's crazy sounds like you've been owned yeah maybe I did get owned and I didn't realize going on you may have been trolled I thought it was racism but actually I was getting but that's not real this is the future the right one racism isn't real it's kidding um okay so you were a young man post vidcon we have to okay so vidcon happens yes I'm in in the exclusive room with the big patreon logo

true that was there post rebrand i'm stood there arms to my side too nervous yeah and we have a conversation i don't know if you remember this i don't know if i remember this where you go like hey um i'm javis like i i work at patreon and i'm like oh yeah you know like i love patreon like and you go i don't care he was on the phone oh so i was talking to you were basically like look you don't have to you don't have to pretend to like Patreon like it's fine like I'm just here because I like I like YouTube yeah I also snuck in like I just snuck in from the corporate angle I'm here to check your ID yeah it was this thing where I was like yeah man like Patreon like you know I've always thought about like having a Patreon like because I was like I had like 10,000 subscribers yeah yeah and yeah and you were like yeah it doesn't don't worry about it like I'm not trying to sell you Patreon right now that's so funny and and and you were like you know I'm actually like I'm really inspired by VidCon and I'm thinking about, you know, starting YouTube. And I went, oh, I'll, I'll subscribe to you. And I pulled out my phone and you told me what your channel was and it had that one, like that one dance video on it.

Yeah. Oh, that's right. He remembers. First hit. And I subscribed. And I can't remember how many subscribers you had, but it was probably in the hundreds. It was in the hundreds. It was in the hundreds.

Yeah. So yeah, you're like, I'm like, yeah, man, like, you should, you should like do it. Like, I was kind of like, I'm not one to give like an inspirational speech as a guy with like 10,000 subscribers, not like, hasn't made it, like still in school. But I was like, yeah, man, like, do it. So on June 25th, 2017, I tweeted Taha as, and dude, this is such a throwback because my display name at that time was Jarvis Amperst, or at symbol VidCon. Hell yeah. And then, and Taha's was Taha Khan at VidCon. Let's go.

And I said, we were networking. Yo, dude, this is networking is happening right here. A couple months later would be a Halloween pun. Yo, dude,

super chill meeting you this weekend. And then, and then you said, it was great meeting you too, man. Hit me up next time you're in London. And this is the next time. It was the next time I was in London.

That is crazy. Because the last time I was in London before that was 2013. So, 2014. We were actually going to turn up at yours. You promise. You promise.

Don't let me stay here. And you handed me your Patreon. Business card? Business card. I remember those. I have them so many left over. I put it in my wallet, and I have the same wallet, and I never take anything out of that wallet.

How? And before I came here, I checked, and I still have it. That's crazy. You should frame it. Because I basically have nothing in my wallet. I know whatever it hands me things. So your debit card number. Here it is.

Whoa. That was a rare one. That's a rare back. Old logo. Engineering. Engineering. Wow, look at that. Jarvis at Patreon.

That rude Rex. just to HR now. Dude, before you got fired, I mean, that's like crazy. Hey, we don't talk about the incident. We got fired for being too sexy. Wow. That's very flattering.

What happened after that? So, I've kept up with you, but... Yes. So in my memory, and I don't know if this is true or not, but in my memory, it's like we meet again a year later at Patreon party again. And you're like, hey man, like, I started doing YouTube. I have like 100,000 subscribers. And I'm like, that's crazy.

And you're like, did mess. That's how I open with people. That might have, have, I'm trying to remember, because I was a feature creator in 2019. I remember there was two years since meeting, and then you were like, the guy. Who knows? I'm wondering which Patreon party then was.

But the Patriot parties got worse. I think that first one was the best one. That popped off. That was the one where I also maybe potentially, illegally got Eddie into the party. Oh yeah, I remember that. Maybe that was the next one. You know how it is.

Illegally, because one crime has laws. It's lost. There's so much VidCon related nonsense. I remember, it feels like a fever dream. I remember Jake Paul proposing to Panama. Panamojo via poem. And then also he was banned from Vidcon at the time. Was it loaded?

And he is still banned technically, but they like let him into the lobby. Into a fountain. I remember this. playlist. No, that was that was Logan Paul at Vidcon. Logan Parvat banned from VidCon. He took his like logging setup into like the

area that you're, that's all fans. And they all like, it was a huge, like. I went to Tanacom. Oh, I remember this. Yeah. I actually tell a story about you. But I will let you tell your story. Okay. This is the one where all the kids had like sunstroke and like lining up for it. So I go

to Tanikon and I'm like there was, it was one of these days. at VidCon where a couple of us decided to like wear like traditional like ethnic clothing to with VidCon just for fun. So I was wearing like Shawakami's like Pakistani dress. And that was the day that like Tanikon was happening. I was in the Black Panther outfit. I was in a Black Panther uniform. Everyone's like, you couldn't, I had the mask. I didn't come out yet. Who are you again? So I go to Tanakon with my featured creator pass from VidCon. Yeah. And Tanikon is being shut down actively at this time well i mean for those you don't know it was it was reactive right like she got

banned or something yeah and then there was like beef between tana and that it was previous to it was like a year of buildup or something yeah oh oh yeah the previous page yeah the previous vickon and then she did her own thing at like a parallel hotel yeah yeah yeah so i i was like let's just go check it out i walk up and obviously there's security everywhere this guy approaches me and goes sorry like it's shut no one can come in like even if you have a ticket you're not allowed in and i go i go i'm like i'm a i'm a featured creator and i show him my vidcon featured creator and he goes oh i'm so sorry should i take you the green room and i go yeah so i just he walks me through the the like absolute like carnage that is tannocon post it being shut down um there's a bunch of

vendors like just just standing around like oh packing up or whatever and again like i'm like 19 I'm like, well, I'm here now. Like, let's continue to see how far this goes. I'm invincible. I'll never die. Yeah. I start realizing that some of the vendors, like, more than I would expect, are also like Pakistani.

So, and they see me in my Pakistani clothes as a featured creator. And they go, oh, wow, you're like a famous, you're like a famous YouTube guy. And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, yeah, man. Like, they start talking to me. You can't break character at that point. Yeah. You start doing an accent.

Yeah. So they start like talking to me and stuff. And anyway, I make it to the green room where there is like, I assume are like some of Tanner's friends, like quite miserably just sitting on some sofas, like on their phones. It's better being inside than outside because it was like scorching hot, wasn't it? Yeah. It was the thing I remember is that so many people had to go home. There's no like covering for the people. It was like 85 or something.

Yeah. So, so I sit there for like maybe five minutes. But like as I'm sitting there, like, it's just me and like maybe four other people. and I realized that like they don't really know who I am and like at some point they might ask me and I'm like I don't I really don't want to be asked by someone who actually is supposed to be there so I decide to go live on Instagram because I was like a renegade yeah I was like I don't know what to do you're like a little shit started yeah you've been pulled over drunk driving am I being detained so I'm like I'm going to go live on Instagram for context my Instagram had like

less than a thousand followers at this point. And I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just going to walk around Tanakan and just record it. And I was like, I didn't have any like storage on my phone, but I assumed like once it goes live, it stores. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm walking around Tanikon, just like, like, whatever my friends, literally my friends are saying like, oh, let's go here. And like, I'm like, yeah, okay, let's do that. So I'm walking around, some of the like Pakistani vendors start talking to me. And they're just, I'm just asking them questions like, oh, like, how was it?

And I was like, yeah, it was pretty busy. Like, we didn't really know, like, what was going to happen. We were, it was pretty short notice. And I was like, oh, so, like, you're going to get, like, you know, you're going to come for the next day. Because I think it was supposed to be more than one day. Right. And they were like, we were only, I mean, I was only hired for today. So, like, for me, they were kind of like, yeah, we're wrapping up now.

I guess it's like, like, over. These vendors are they selling Tanakan merch or they are independently just theirs? I don't actually remember. Like, it was so, but, like, they were, yeah, there were people who were just hired to, like, like run stalls or something maybe i don't know well they could have been hotel stuff i i have no idea their perspective on it was not that like it was like a complete disaster their perspective was like oh it was a kind of busy event and now it's gone and now it's gone and like it was kind of disorganized or whatever okay um but one guy was like yeah you know i have all of the

like i have boxes and boxes of these tannacons passes uh and i went can i have some and he goes he got you can take the whole box and i was like okay well i've got i got to fly back to the UK so i take like a handful, like a stack of them. And somewhere in my house, I have a stack of Tanakan badges. Who, we should go back. If you want to feel your best this summer, there is no better time to get Green Chef, the number one meal kit for clean eating. Green Chef makes it easy to spend less time in the kitchen and more time enjoying summer.

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So it's T-A-N-A. And I sharpied the N so that there was a longer, like, stalk. Yeah. So it looks like Taha-Con. And I just started asking people, because, you know, it was the talk of Vid-Con. Like, oh, my God, Tana-Con. I just started asking people like, would you like to go to Taha-H-Kon? And then if they said, yes, I would hand them a Taha-Kon bat and then just walk away.

You're trying to get them to get Sunstroke? I remember seeing those badges And I was like, how did you get these? Because, and that's the story that, like, I tell about you is You somehow went and came back with Dancom badges. This is the same sharping it for talking about. That's the way that, like, Indiana Jones lives. You're like, hear a rumor, you find an old temple.

Yeah. You do a puzzle. They're like, huh, perfectly swap the weight of something. Right, right. Professor John's, why do you have a special ending of, like, video games? Yeah, I am like... What do you have all this treasure? Yeah, this is like a running theme in my life, generally, is that I will, I will end up in, like, situations like Forrest Gump, where I'm like, oh, I was just there.

Well, speaking of that, I feel like after that, the next era of Taha I know about is, like, you were, like, touring with Cade Town. Yes. And I saw you, like, I went to a Cape Town show in San Francisco, yeah, and I saw you there. Yeah, so, so, yeah, that was my, that was my post Can't Stop Me era, which is like a comedy. vlog like kind of what you guys do now but in 2017 can't can't can't stop can't stop me exactly yeah it's really annoying because the Americans like the way they say it they

oh they say it can yeah it's like a neck like say it like an American would oh um because they say it like it's almost like can't stop me oh it's like if I were to say the word can't yeah yeah yeah so so like in a British accent it's like can't stop me like you can't and then in an American accent it's like you can stop me oh can't yeah somebody stop me please oh I see what you mean yeah yeah so the pun really didn't translate the way that it needed to that's funny

this is the first step in changing hearts and minds exactly language is fluid but it starts with ground roots yeah and that's what your PR people brought you here today for exactly I want a tour of trying to rebrand every morning show every podcast I think you don't do anymore yeah yeah I've got to I've got to, you know, make sure that first era is... Right. The legacy is secured. So, yeah, so that was my, like, comedy era. Then I started touring with Cave Town.

I was sort of his, like... I didn't really have, like, a name for what I did, but basically, I went to school with him, and he put out... Cape Town is a musician for those who don't know. Yeah, shout out. Shout out, Robbie. Who will be watching this, because he does watch Sad Boys.

Dude, bummer. Can I confirm? I respect No we're Cape Town fans in this house Yeah Cape Town fans but it's like I feel bad that you're a fan of this That's like it's like

There's somebody Furiously writing a comment Where they're like The most unexpected crossover ever That was not an maid Bingo card for 2025 So this is like I started making some music videos with him

And then when his career started going crazy It was sort of like Do you want to just come And continue making music videos And do some tour diaries and social content, whatever, I was like, that was just his guy. And I remember checking in with you, and you were also, at some point, I don't know if it was

before this or after, you would start going back to school. Yeah, so when I started working with Cave Town, it was actually, after my second year of university, I was listening to Lemon Boy, the album, which hadn't come out yet, and I got obsessed with one of the songs, and then I went back to the UK from Canada because I was doing a year abroad. And I, like, pitched him on the idea and said, I would really want to make this music video. And then in the summer, I made that music video. The album came out.

The album did really well. Then the music video came out. The music video did really well. And then it was, like, a decision of whether or not I go back to school or just, like, continue doing the craziness that was Cave Town in that sort of, like, 2018 era. And I decided to do that instead by logging out of my university email and then forgetting about it. They got hidden in plain sight. Yeah. So then I did that for a year. That is, how old are you at that point?

It's 20? Yeah, I'm like 20, yeah, 20, 21. That's like the before the frontal cortex is developed. Yeah, is when you are, you're a Shinobi. Yeah, you cannot be caught. It's like, nice try getting in trouble. I'm somewhere else. Yeah.

Well, yeah, the craziest part of all of that was I got a email on my like personal email because I guess they have that on file. Fuck. To be like, yeah. To be like, because when I left university after my second year, I actually didn't do my exams. I just flew back and said, hey, do you want to make this music video?

And Robin was like, yeah, and I went, cool. And then I just forgot about uni, and I just did that. And so I got an email being like, hey, by the way, like, so I guess if you don't show up for exams, they just auto enroll you into one year retakes. And I got an email being like, hey, your retakes are like in two days. And I'm in L.A., like actively on tour with that.

And I was like, hey, guys, I have to go sit an economics exam. So, yeah, so that was like, my like one and a half year of cave town touring where I met I met you again in San Francisco, which was also very funny because I remember you telling me like, yeah, I got a tweet saying like, hey, you're going to be at the Cavesown show. Like someone was like, oh yeah, Jarvis lives in San Francisco and I like Cave Town. Oh. And you were like, yeah, why did they, why did they tweet me?

But then also I am here. Yeah, we get, I feel like we get those now randomly. like, I'm in London I'll post my Instagram story and someone's like, are you going to do a meet and greet? And I'm like, no. With all due respect. I don't want to say my greatest regret

is while I was in Dublin, someone sent me a DM and said that I should go into the Doc Martin store and I would get the friends and family discount. No, and you didn't do it? Honestly, mate, I really could have done with some new boots. I didn't bring any with me. That is huge regret.

You need to go back. Thank you for the work. almost did for me. You need a transferable token. Yeah, can I do it? Can you come over here? Yeah. There is a funny thing that happens. I don't know if you get this, where you like go, you're living your life.

And then after leaving a place, you get a DM from someone that's like, hey, I didn't want to bother you. Hope you had a good time at the card shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did get a, I thought that might have been you. I'm like, hey, I got a go on me. Our viewers, I want some progress, want to end to the internet. interaction with us faster than we do, like, they'll come up to us and go, are you, are you

Taha from Answer in Progress? And I'll be like, yeah, like, you know, like, what's your name? Like, whatever. But as soon as I go, yeah, they go, oh, okay, cool. And then they just walk away. And you go, oh, all right, great. They go, uh. They just wanted confirmation.

We got that yesterday. We were at the mall, and the singular American guy at the Westfield Mall in London was just like, hey there, big fan. Tadda. We were like on an escalator going down. There was nothing to be done. Yeah. I see you.

Yeah. I feel like when I was in, especially my kind of early 20s and I was still in the kind of university hangover period where you're like, okay, well now I'm all done. But your mind isn't like the way you operate and the anxiety you have about like, have I forgotten a class. I remember thinking, wow, I'm, I'm grateful. grown-up, I guess. Time to be a real, real man. Get to the Patreon office. People have kids.

Oh, I'm a child. I'm a baby. I shouldn't be paying taxes. You should feed me. I need milk. Now I think at that age, I imagined 31. And then like, you know, when I meet you or I meet anybody else in the thing, it's like, it's crazy that we are going to exist for that much longer.

Yeah. And now being here, completely different country, completely different. circumstance, there's doing a all new different thing. Yeah. It does feel like time travel a little bit. Yeah. Because I remember that, if he'd gone. Yeah.

I remember right now. I don't remember, like, becoming this guy. Nothing in the way to do at all, yeah. It's like, waking up with a new haircut. Yeah. I must have got one. You said that as if that was a relatable experience. That happens all of us.

You wake up. Waking up with a new haircut, tape on your nose, three-day bender, somebody else's car. You're wearing a Black Panther costume. Oh, one thing about the San Francisco show that you came to, the Cavesown one, maybe six months later, or maybe a year later, I'm hanging out with Robbie and he randomly is like, no, no, no, no, no, lord scheme, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go, I like snap onto him immediately, like, I'm an NPC.

Someone is, like, there's a one person who's losing their mind about that, because that's, like, a very old, like, meme song, I mean, no, yeah. And then I, I, I, like, my, like, my, like, my, like, my, like, like AOE has been activated. Like, that's a, that's a Jarvis Johnson thing. That's so funny. And then, and then he's like, yeah, do you know, do you know, like, have you heard of Jarvis Johnson, the YouTuber? And I was like, I just know the song.

I was like, yeah, I was like, he was at your show. Oh, right. But he didn't know who you were at that time. Yeah, yeah. So I had to like, because I also didn't have any photos of us from. Oh, yeah. So I had to convince him that you were there. That's very funny.

And he just didn't believe. That's awesome. That's really funny. On today. Did you have an notorious liar? I wouldn't even believe that. Well, you are. It was not an open forum.

Okay, I see, I see, I see. First of all, they taught me in the Navy Seals that you're not supposed to ask questions like that. As a tier one operator, when I took care of us, I'm been allowed him. You took care of him. You were taking care of him. I was like, oh, we're here.

Sorry, I didn't read the subtext of that, too. My bad. I made him soup. Yeah, that was a big, big miss. This is why we need, uh, this is why we need tone tags. Yeah, actually was in the Navy SEALs. The Navy SEALs developed tone tags because their key asset was taking care of us on for many years. So between answer and progress and like post-toring.

Yeah. What was, what was the length of that gap? So the length of the gap was the length of me trying to finish up my university. This special economics year So I did a very weird thing with my university That's not very important Other than I did one year in the UK Then I did a year abroad

Which never happens You're supposed to do your year abroad In your third year Which for some reason I did in my second Then I took a year out Which they classified as a year in industry To like just save face for me Rather than like

Oh yeah I just logged out of my email And ignored you for a year And then like nothing happened to me That's cool That's like falling off the school skateboard and you're like that was a new trick yeah exactly you don't even know about that shit um and then i did do that and then i came back just before the pandemic so i got really lucky because even if i had stayed touring like touring would have finished and then had nothing to do right um so then i did

two years in the pandemic of um university but actually when i came back for university i immediately started on some progress with sabrina and melissa the idea happened in the sort of like the summer ish of 2019 and then we agreed and decided to do it in like October of 2019 and the idea was we were going to go but we're going to ask questions that we're curious about it in the world wherever it was and because I was in the UK and they were in North America like they could be questions about places and then one of us could go explore that place we were in Europe at the time yeah exactly freedom of movement exactly so um you know easy jet flights are like very you know jet two flights jet too there and nothing easy jet right there if you're

If you want to maybe fall out of the plane. It's a writer if you want to hold onto the wind. Yeah. That was like, because I studied it brought in Spain. Okay. And so I did a lot of these, as a poor college student, did a lot of these budget airlines. It's crazy that Ryan is able to fly without engines. Yeah, it's crazy.

It's just a crick hand crank. There's an orphan in the bottom running on a hamster wheel as first again. The CEO of Ryanair, he's failed this mission. But I think multiple years in a row, he said that he wants to do like transcontinental flights for like under $100 or something like that. They also have said they want to do standing seats. Yes. And these are the people who charge you like $75 if you don't print your ticket out at home.

Also, I can want to do a lot. That was a whole thing. I don't know if that's all. I want to defend the Ryanair CEO for what I for full disclosure. I have no idea what else he's done in his life. I don't want to be held responsible for anything he's done. But I watched an interview of him explaining the like standing seats. And he was like, because he's Irish.

He was like the only, this is. again all sales from him so he was like the only thing he wants is standing seats from like London to Ireland I was like that's kind of reasonable holding like being on the tube and holding the little strap yeah I was like there's no way that's safe but but like as a broke college student if it's like oh yeah five five pounds to go I'm like I mean yeah I was flying to the US I would have taken a 13 hour standing flight you know for the right pros but still business class It's a premium place to start. Yeah, there we go.

I try to drink my Mai Tai. Dude, what a journey. Thinking about life. Final year. Hey, look at us. Wow. And this is our final, you said this is our final year?

December 9th. What, this? Why are you saying that date? It'll be quite the day, huh? What, okay. And we're both on board with it. Last year of the show. What?

Do you want the podcast? Let's just say we won't be around. You start. You started by implying something, and now you're just overtly saying it. Let's just say that we're going to die. Okay, okay. I would not. I'm catching it.

I am catching it, yes. Oh, yeah. Before we move into some of our fun topics, I wanted to tell you and everyone else that two nights ago, was it, that we opened these cards. Oh, yeah. Two nights ago, we purchased, or I purchased this, this is a booth. Lusterbox of 1990 Desert Storm Pro Set. You don't have any. No, I don't.

Unfortunately, I'm not a true Patriot. Yeah. Well, this is what we've been practicing since Jordan's, you know, trying to become a citizen and all that. Yeah, I'm checking in. This is part of the... This is part of the... He's got to take a test.

So, um... The key part of naturalization. We... Bring the curves. We did open... Oh, America. We did open some of these on our Patreon, Patreon.

Patreon.com slash Sabways. You can check that out. But, yeah, so now it's just a bunch of... Is this the UN flag? Oh, oh, you betcha. You'll never, you'll never guess some of the cards that are in here. No, I want you for a second to kind of imagine what possible. First of all, they have the sharpness and angle of a business card for some reason.

But I want you to imagine what the format of the... What is in these, you know what I mean? Okay, so they're just trading cards. Yeah, only for collecting no game at play. No, no game. There's collectible cards. They claim to be educational. Okay.

I would say they're propaganda. Yeah, I was going to say this is propaganda. They educate you. in a way. Okay. So like... Tick a gander. Margaret Thatcher.

Margaret Hilda Thatcher. Oh, hey, listen, that's educational. I did not know. What do you mean? I don't like this. Hey, have some respect for that ghoul. Oh, my God. She looks like Emperor Palpatine in this photo.

That is crazy. I don't know if I... That is the most palpeteen I've seen Margaret Thatcher love. The Iron Lady is way scary than the Emperor. John Major, okay. We got the squad, the Avengers. This, I don't want to defend John Major in any way, but these glasses are cool.

It's one of the most flattering photos I've ever said that. He looks like Stephen King. Richard R. Chaney. This was the most exciting one because Tricky Dick has his famous smug. He's just doing like a dream work smirk. Let me tell you about waterboarding. Yeah, that's me. Oh my god

In addition to These are actually like I kind of like these Because they're like These are the best ones I'll show you some of the worst ones Okay because these are like Prime War on Terror propaganda

Oh yeah Oh yeah It does feel nice sometimes To live in a world To remember a world That was so irony free That you were literally able To give a child a piece of cardboard

And then go like Oh army good Yeah army good Army good Bombs good Yeah Saddam Hussein Here's a Saddam Hussein

Here's a saddam A lady sexy Yeah George Herbert Walker Bush Wait is this the old one That's the old one That's the old one That's Papa

It is pretty surreal Because this is what 2000 2001 Oh huh Pre This is 1990 This is pre 2001 I thought it was done preemple

Oh sorry Way after the fact These cards are from 1990 to 1991 I thought it was made Historically So this is pre-War and Tara So yes So that's why I think it's interesting

It's like a snapshot for like how how governments like massage like the perceptions of like even this one you know like the middle east right like manufacturing consent and things like that i want you to guess what the early 90s interpretation of the concept of peace is represented by visually oh okay i think it's just going to be the american flag really good guess but no that is does feature in some other Of similar content. Peace. I think there's an American one called like Swag or something.

That's early for swag. This is peace. Oh, no, this is Islam. Just, ooh, it's, it's vertical. No, horizontal. Yeah, that's pretty inconsistent. Oh, yeah, by the way, the flag was used up on Pledge of Allegiance Club. This is kind of a, it's kind of a nice photo.

Yeah. It's also got the UN logo. Yeah. Okay. Maybe they didn't know. What do they say? I haven't read the back of that one. Oh, this is so...

This is so good. Okay, so they've spelled Muslims. M-O-S-L-E-M-S-M-S-M-S-M-L-E-M-S-Maz-Lums. It's said like George Bush would say it. I now understand why people say this, because it's in the Desert Storm Educational Collectible Cards. You see, we've got some Muslim-style individuals in a kinetic situation. Was this like an old-school, like...

No. Like term? No, Muslims... No one says Muslims. partner it's like spelled so wrong that it's not simply a typo you know what I mean

it's like intentionally wrong I love this like I love it because it's so it's blatant you know it's like you know it's pretty it's pretty neutral what are it says stats

in the bottom left corner oh followers 900 mil yo Mr. Bees is creeping up on your ass the new profit it's got an attribution to the OG Yeah, founder, Muhammad.

Shout out. Sacred. I love the, like, I'm not going to do like Islam fact checking on here, but it's like, founder, Muhammad, okay, I don't know if the Muslims would agree with that. And then it's like sacred text, Koran, spelled like that, self, said like that.

And then Hadith, which is not a text at all, is, it's, that's like a word that refers to the way the prophet lived. I don't know. Who would know more... This is an intelligence file. Yeah, this is an intelligence file. And you...

The entire UN made this. And you think you're in the right? You know... Yeah, it sounds like you should learn something about journalism. What's the image of you? What is the image? Oh, it's a printing press. Oh, shout at Johann Goodenberg.

It's there to talk about the bird. I mark your bingo cards for Jarvis mentions that Johan Goonberg found at the person in 19, ooh, every time I mix it up, it's not 19, there's 14, 14, 14, 14, 162? Let's have a look. I'm quite surprised at how, like, neutrally, like, neutrally they've described Islam. Well, that's the thing about the Palestinians card. Yeah. Is it, it talks about it as like a diaspora, but with very little, like, you could read it like a, you could read it like a, The way somebody would describe it if they were very unfamiliar with the situation, but weren't American?

Yeah. None of the traditional American propaganda is in there and the way it is now, which is crazy. It's way worse now. I think this is literally like, okay, right now they're like the vibes of America good, military good are here. But they haven't focused in on the war on terror yet. No, no. So they aren't like, oh, we've got to change this card specifically. The brandings floating, you know?

This lays the groundwork that leads up to 2001. Like, I think... What happened? None of your business. I think Desert Storm, it was essentially like George W. Bush's dad did something but didn't quite do the imperialism that everyone wanted. So then George W. Bush was like, let's finish the job. Well, the W. got to do it like in a reactionary way, as opposed to the kind of creeping colonial. of daddy. There's that conspiracy theory

that Bush did 9-11 because it's like too perfect. It's like how convenient. How convenient this is a kind of a loose situation. Now me personally as somebody in my position if there's one thing I like it's not conspiracy theories and it is respecting the flag as I must. Oh yes

absolutely. How's a thing? I'm sorry for it. Let's reiterate how much Jordan loves America. Oh he even has a Jordan card in here. Now it is of the country. It's me kissing a painting of Dick Cheney. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's Here's where we'll end on this. Pakistan, my home country.

Let's have... Oh, I love this. They've went full government name, Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Hell yeah. They're doxing it. Yeah. The address is on here.

Ooh. There is disputed territory. I don't know who this is in favor of, but I think that everyone in the region would be up. Would be upset. Oh yeah. It's a challenging. There's the only time there's not a territorial dispute is the Greenland one.

In Iceland. Or Iceland where they zoomed in. They zoomed in its only water. It's like Iceland. It could be any size. It could be anywhere or any size. Any planet. So in the journalism one, they actually mention Operation Desert Storm.

So I guess this is actually, it's like they're focusing on propaganda around Desert Storm. Imagine creating a collectible card set about. a military operation. Is there a like an Iraq war one? I don't know what became of ProSet. Okay. Because this must have made billions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do think that this

company may not have continued for very much longer, but we did find that an even more reputable card company, Tops, which is like, Tops has made Pokemon, they current, made Pokemon cards, like the square ones that are like this.

This is, this is the square edged card that is a collectible card like and tops is one of the largest uh like umbrella companies that makes baseball every ip um baseball as well yeah um but but there is a top set that is like a september 11th memorial thing where it's a similar vibe and i we did look i found a i found a sealed boxman on ebay and it was just over my meme budget yeah what i was willing to pay but it there is a uh oh bin Laden card in there that is like suspected leader because it's 2001 that they printed it yeah it's a um him doing the dictatorie dream work smile um but it's really interesting i think that uh to to jump to talk about some actual educational stuff i think there is value in looking

at old history books looking at just like how things are codified and how they're um presented at in a snapshot in time, and then seeing how narratives are worked and changed. And how, like, we look at this and we're like, this can't have been effective. Yeah. But we're looking at it from a baseline of cynicism. At no point in my life do I feel like I was operating from, okay, America epic, I mean, good. Yeah. No, but you always think that America is epic.

No, right. When I was stupid. I want to say something about this. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Which is my, the thing that I was immediately interested by is who they put as the head of government because one thing about Pakistan which I find very funny is that they have never actually had like a head of state like prime minister finished their term like it's such a like a it's like divorce beheaded died like either the military coups the government and then the general

gets in charge or they get like assassinated or they die or they retire preemptively for no particular reason yeah it's like so it's like this is the most immediately out of date thing you put on a card and even on here they say interim prime minister because i just like yeah something what happened fifth consecutive interim they were yeah imagine they were just uh just gained power and they put interim just as a head yeah yeah wait why did you put that um one thing i found really interesting about this that i think like what you said about this being like a snapshot in history um there's this guy on on twitter that i used to follow i don't know what happened to him i'm sure i still follower who's sort of obsessed with the idea that we currently live in like a new dark age

of information in the sense that like we have these things that are printed and physical so we know what happened but like now the internet is like a live place and the archive only exists on the internet archive right even then it's like and it's like under threat i feel like at times because it's like not like a um i don't remember exactly how the internet archive is funded but I don't feel like it's on, like, extremely stable foundation. Yeah. And it's, there's no, it's way too broad a set of information to live, like, survive orally in a way that even this maybe could.

It's like, did you know about these trading cards? It would be eliminated if we didn't actually have an account. So what you're saying is we should print the internet out every few weeks. I 100% agree, yeah, write in calligraphy. And it's like the videos on internet, like, internet archive videos is, like, way less archived than the text. And it's like, we might just be in a place where in like 50 years, people have no idea what the culture was you know what that makes me think about why i talk a lot about lost media just in

my personal life because it's fascinating to me but one very it's weird because i don't want to like pat billion dollar corporation on the back but it is very fascinating that youtube has never removed video yeah you know what like obviously they've taken things down for various reasons but like it's kind of interesting that you can just like twitch for example you know they they're like 30 days. We can't afford this shit. What do you mean? Like YouTube burned so much money.

The reason that they needed to get acquired was because like they had users but had unsustainable expenses. Now it's like if it was spun out into its own company, it would be one of the largest companies in the world. And so that's why I'm like, I don't want to get pat him on the back. But it is very interesting that like they haven't had to get rid of anything. And I imagine that day would have to come at some point. I could be wrong.

Unless they can expand on the technology faster than the gigabytes. Even Google accounts. If you, like, I got an email that like a Google account of mine was going to be deleted because I hadn't logged into it in a few years. Yeah. Because it was like I made it as a gag or something. And I'm like, that takes up less space than freaking me at the zoo. Yeah, yeah.

But that's a banger. I wonder if there is a threshold that we are just not aware of. Like, if it gets less than 10 views and they don't log in in 10 years, it gets deleted. we've just never heard about it. It's possible, but I do think that you can... Because there are people who go searching for, like, no-view videos. Yeah, and you can find them. And you can find, like, really old ones.

But, I don't know. I think that's such an interesting idea that it's like a... Not even a noticeable or elective dark age, because, like, the dark ages historically are the result of, like, a lack of infrastructural resources for archiving things, not enough literacy, lost archives as a result of... destabilization, something like that. But this is almost like an elective dark age. Yeah.

It's like, well, I don't want to write this stuff. I think I'm just going to post it, and it's ephemera, and I don't want to worry about that right now. But it's also like websites get updated. Like, you can't buy a newspaper and then all the text changes, but like that happens on the New York Times website all the time. Like, no one knows what's on the homepage. And websites, you know, to add to this, the old internet was far more archivable because

you had static webpages. Yeah. And now things are so dynamic that the Internet Archive may not even be able to display the information because of how the website was built. Like, for example, we had an era in like the early 2000s of Flash homepages. Yeah. You know, and then like Flash becomes a huge security risk and then browsers stop supporting it. And now you need like special software or special plugins in order to like view some of that stuff. And Google stopped indexing it many years ago.

go and so there's just like tons of stuff like that where i mean kudos to newgrounds specifically for like i assume they burned a ton of cash on and resources on making all of the stuff that was only on flash on this site like native to newgrounds you can still watch and play i assume most of it yeah i've i've gone into new grounds i think i played some stuff and didn't have to do anything special yeah it's a shame especially video games there's just no video game archiving especially with no backwards compatibility there's a there's generations of like you know slot but i'll ultimately interesting PS2 games and PS1 games

but the PS2 it's the most games that have ever been on a platform is the PS2 behind the PC and more than 90% of them can only be accessed either through emulation

which is constantly being pushed back on PS3 is so hard to emulate especially yeah and then the rest of them the cell processor or whatever the fuck exactly right they did some weird shit if you want to play Metal Gear Solid 4 you have to like climb inside a meck

and go into a government I do think that, like, there have been, like, the thing is, a lot of this stuff is very active. Like, I do believe there is a open source PS3 emulation project, but it is, like, it's actively getting better. And the people, you need a lot of people to care about this old stuff. And luckily, there are a lot of people who are, like, really passionate about archival and, um. But what about, like, the PSP? like is that yeah it's well well interfacing is the hard part as

yeah it's like the PSP it's like you've got to dump those little discs and then they're like a weird form factor like a yeah a game cube disc can go into a computer but like a you need special software or to be using the UMT or whatever the uh the PSP one was called which came in a uh case it sounds like an explosion device yeah it's protected against I don't know

me playing rain of fire the adaptation video game adaptation. Yeah. There's an issue in the art world with digital art because a physical painting, you know, it's like there's conservation involved, you know, and with like touching up and that sort of thing. But digital art has to constantly be maintained and make sure that the files don't get corrupted and that sort of thing.

And it formats are no longer usable. and it becomes a serious problem because if you're a huge named artist, people will do that work for your work. But if you're kind of a middle of the road artist or like a slightly unknown artist, like we're not really going to have a Van Gogh situation because the unknown digital artist isn't going to get discovered someday necessarily. Right, because there's no discovery. And also, it's a moving target for whether or not the, like, being able to consume the media is even available.

It's like not as simple as looking at a picture as painting. Yeah. I care, we all care from like an academic point of view, like, wow, we don't want to lose stuff. And at the same time, there's no, like, cavity of content. I'm overwhelmed with how many things I can do right now. And by the time I'm finished obsessing with the latest release, I've forgotten which one I didn't get the chance to play. Or, like, I've all of a sudden I don't even have a PS3 anymore.

Like, how would I, oh, shoot rats? Or there's, like, I mean, this is a topic for a different day, but, like, the concept of, like, what you own when you buy something and, like, how, how licenses. They shut down the live service on a lot of destiny or something. Yeah, it's a live service game. Like, you have, like, we have, we've gone through enough cycles where that has happened, you know, like,

if you play the old Pokemon games on DS, All of the online content, obviously no longer works, but people have set up servers that had like reverse engineered and then like mirror like events and stuff so if you can experience them as they, they're as they were. But that type of thing is only because it's one of the popular media, you know, franchises in the world. And many of the stories of like lost media with regard to like games and old websites and things will end up being people.

looking through like hard drive dumps that were uploaded wholesale to the internet archive and like finding like I can't remember which game it was or if it was a game but I do believe it was a game it was like a game that was thought lost

and then someone found it actually downloaded in a random dump of like a hard drive oh yeah like that parent's house or something so it's like things like that or even something like RuneScape the MMO RPG that I play there's a lot of history with how that game has evolved over time

and there is a site where you can look at the RuneScape map through time and have a slider of how they change different things and the way that they got that information was essentially doing a community effort of like do you have an old computer that played this game because you on your computer have cached files that you can now upload and like that type of thing is a very ephemeral thing

because a cache is, by definition, a temporary, you know, storage space. And so is your old laptop. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's also another, like, way to look at this, which I, which feels less like we're losing everything, which is, like, if you think about RuneScape or the online world as, as like, as like a physical space that exists that you exist in, like, it would be weird to be like oh it's sad that like everything that exists in the physical space wasn't

documented exactly how it was and so that sometimes gives me hope of just like okay like it's actually okay for the internet to be gone like to be right because we're also producing much more because we now have like democratized like user generated content yeah and so publishing is no longer gate kept so you can so so so we just have so much you know it's like I don't remember the metric of how many videos are uploaded to YouTube a second, but it's like a fuck load. Well, it used to be like maybe 10 years ago,

they would say it was an hour every second. Yeah. I don't know what it's now. I think now it's like, because YouTube's only become more, it's crazy, but it's like only become a larger platform. So it's just.

We have to account to how many clips, how many unfunny Jimmy Fallon clips have to be uploaded every single hour. You know, that's what I was going to say is I think the thing that might push it over the edge for YouTube having to delete older stuff, like might just be AI slop because the rate of production.

The rate of production is just like... It's essentially a denial of service attack. It's overloading because you can programmatically create new things and it's no longer bound by... It's no longer a function bound by the amount of work that everyone on the human race can do. If we were all... If every individual was given a camera and connection to YouTube to upload a video,

that's like the upper bound for how often you can be uploading. And now you can have a server farm be uploading thousands of videos a second. Yeah, you can't like do a boxing match in a truck. Yeah. Like it's like I think that that's you know, YouTube is starting to, and I mean like they're dipping their toe in addressing mass produced content. Yeah. And in my video, I looked at the policy where they say it's like not going to be demonetized. And then I found like large clearly AI channels that are still serving ads, you know. And so, But I do think that over time, I can imagine that being like a bottleneck where like if something, I imagine a future where you have to mark if something is AI generated or else.

I don't know what or else means, but, you know, you hope the best possible thing, but it's a giant company, so who knows. But then, and then for things that are marked AI, I can't imagine those are allowed to live forever. sure that's my that's my that's my that's my game theory but i don't know i like i like in a way i like that a i slop is antagonistic to the youtube's business model because it kind of means we're on the same side it's souring them it's how i felt about content farms and when i would talk to you know obviously out of respect i can't like specifically say who or what because it's like individuals not representative of their like department or whatever but it seemed like it was a thing that they were aware of like content farms and you know i don't think that

I don't think that it was just people getting tired of like five minute crafts that caused that channel to not be successful anymore. I mean, it's still posting. So imagine the margins for like how good it was that it's still profitable to continue posting. I guess they have a big archive of presumably European people telling you how to make a glove. The entire time I had a theory that it was algorithmically generated, like they produced like thousands of clips and then algorithmically stitched them together and then posted that on a... Because why wouldn't you? I believe that's what it is. And that was kind of like the proto-AI slop era, basically.

Has anyone taken five minutes craft all of their videos and tried to like just bucket them into what the shoots were? No, but I... T-shirts and angles of... Yeah, I'd be like, oh, this is the one shoot from this. Anecdotally, I've seen them reuse clips in numbers of video. So I did like start to notice. Because it was also...

So, I mean, this is AI, too, now where it's like, we know this already, but the videos would be like 30 cleaning hacks. And then there wouldn't be 30. They wouldn't all be cleaning hacks. One of them be about like going to the ballroom. And so it's like, okay, these aren't even, if you're doing this algorithmically, these aren't even tagged. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, well enough. Cleaning, cleaning hack, how to keep your pillow cool. Yeah.

Okay. So, so I first saw this. Uh-oh. Um, because I'm a fan of NBA and Jalen, I'll call Adam Silver. Take it away. Take it away. Jalen Brunson of the New York Knicks did this trend. Oh.

Where fellas, bros, the bros are calling their friends and saying good night. I imagine if it was just bros are calling their friends. Yeah. Yeah. What the hell? Do you do the, breaking news. Guys, communicating. electively

sober and it's not their wives wife's friends husbands they like each other I love that there's that

S&L sketch with Bill Hader where it's like what's that name and it's like it's like one of the John Mullaney hosts where

it's like this is your this is your wife's best friend you've been to her wedding what is her name and it's like Melissa so this is the start of this trend and we're going somewhere with this.

So this is a couple months ago. But this isn't the first time someone did this. I don't know if we know the origin, but there are earlier instances where, like a woman just tells her husband, hey, call your friend and say good night. And so that's that. Are you saying it's like an old wives tale?

Like some say that back in the day, women would sometimes tell their husbands to call their friends. But this has got. But this has gotten to the height where then NBA teams are doing it on their social media. Right, right, right. Because once it's made it to the NBA,

it's in the Library of Alexandria. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just want to say good night, my brother. That's it. Want to say good night? Yeah, just want to say good night, that's all. Can you go tuck me in? Yeah, I got you. Coverage, not here right now.

You made message. He has a... Real voicemail. Goodbye. That's how he answers this move. Hello? Damn, he's not. He's not in the phone.

Yo, he's not saved. Just call and say, good night, my brother, that's all. Get off my phone, bro. I'm not doing this. Nah, I just want to say good night, bro. Good night, girl. Good night, good night. See, thank you. Good night. Oh, Josh Hart.

Josh Hart's a silly one. He's a silly one. Let's see. Yeah. Just want to say, good night, my dog. I don't know. I got my mom. You know what's funny about that?

In some of the other ones I've seen, they're like at home. He's like in a gym. Yeah. That's like the thing about NBA players. They're, like, always working out. Yeah. Get a grip, guys. Touch grass.

Just throw the ball and chill out. So what if you just signed a $500 million contract? Spend a little money on a PSA. Yeah, why are they in bed? They're not. So, okay. So the grind set. So where...

He's showing off. You go to bed, I get. Yeah, good night, Brian. Yeah, I'm shooting in the gym. It is funny. I, the thing that jumped out the most really was answering the phone with Jordan Adika speaking. Yeah.

Yeah, it almost feels like a joke. No, he saw that Jalen Brunsman was caught. He had to have, right? Well, because who would answer their phone, Carl Anthony Town speaking, unless you were Carl Anthony Towns? But even then, like, I don't want to give away that information. A famous person identifying themselves as soon as they pick up the phone just feels like the wrong...

I am not famous. Tom Cruise speaking. Hello, wrong number. Yeah, the thing about this trend is, I know I know I would not react to the way that any of these people have reacted. Right. How would you react? I, I, if any of my friends called me and said, hey, good night, bro.

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, where are you right now? Like, I'm, I'm, because I'm, I have to come and see if you're okay. Because I'm just like, yeah, I think if someone called and was like, oh, you know, like, I'm just about to go to sleep. I thought I'd call you. Yeah, I just thought of you. Good night. I'd be like, okay, fine.

There is one like that. I do feel like it's like a what is going, like, what are we up to right now? now. I feel like someone's up to no good. It's either sentiment, like, very genuine and sentimental, and I think about, like, okay, well, what's been going on lately is this in relation. Because sometimes we will just send a text to them and say, love you, man, hope every, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do that. No, I even hope everything, so. Love you, see you soon.

Hey, man, I heard the news. Yeah. Hey, uh, yikes. Yeah. But then, like, I think if somebody called me, called me like that. Yeah. Honestly, my first instinct would be like, a girlfriend's filming them or something. Like, this is for TikTok. Really? My first instinct is there a day. having a mental health crisis oh yeah well because i've sometimes that would be the if the tone is

just like because we have some friends who are more callers yeah yeah than than textors yeah and so sometimes i'll get a call and then my instincts when i get a call is to go oh something's wrong yeah and then it's like oh i'm just going on the walk figured i'd see what's up yeah yeah yeah yeah friendship oh like i have to like transition with that friend specifically i assume he's reaching out to like let's get drinks tonight or something. Right, right, right. Right. Not text call, neither am I in it. That is the locker. So I am training my friends to pick up my calls unexpectedly. So I am that friend. I see. I'm like training. Do you get, do you do that where it's like,

like a dog, you give him a treat, your friend, you go, dude, you just won a $20 gift card to drag. Every time Todd calls me, I start salivating. Yeah, my salivating. I've like, I've started being like texting people and be like, you free just random are you free to call in like 10 minutes and then when I pick up I go this was really fun like it was fun to just like randomly get a call right yeah yeah I'm like okay well how do you feel about me just calling you randomly and they go absolutely not right yeah really slowly get them like I've got maybe got one person who was already on the train and was ready to call anyway and I've got maybe no service on the train yeah I've got maybe like six people

who were anti random spontaneous phone calls to become random spontaneous phone call people who now they call me excited yeah okay oh that's nice well that's like a border collier they're ready to work I have three or four friends that we randomly call each other all the time

yeah and the weird thing and it's just normal so like hey what do you have to I'm driving like let talk to me for a minute cool but the weird thing is as soon as we landed in London I got a call from one of them and I was like oh ha ha I'm in London and she goes I just got in a car It was crazy. Everyone's okay, but it was insane.

It was an insane car accident and she was actually calling for comfort and I'm like, I cannot talk to you right now. I'm so sorry. Yeah, we're like about to go through customs. Yeah. Oh, wow. She's fine. Everything's okay, but. But insane. One thing with the calling that I, I don't know how, what your, your political allegiance on Find My Friends is. Oh, yeah. But I think that's interesting. Calling people with Find My Friends is way easier because a lot of the time what I'll do is I'll just be like, I never look at find my friends just to see where my friends are.

I'm usually either out and I'm like, is there anyone around me? Or I'm about to call them and I'll just check if they're at home or in a usual location. I had never really used location chair truly at all until maybe two years ago. It just never even came into my mind. There is a, I have this weird relationship with it where it's almost like a unwritten rule that we have access to it. Yeah. In the same way that, like, if I'm getting drinks with some friends and I'm going to the bathroom, I will never imply that I'm taking a shit.

Right. I will always try. I'll be like, I got to go, I got to go bathroom. I have to go be indisposed for a moment. I just go as fast as possible. They cannot know. And it's like, you know, I should have read everybody poops. It's not a big deal.

But there's some part of my mind that can't be, no, it's not the done thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is how I feel about like, like, like, peeps, we, we, I, people's one of the few. people that I have shared location with and if I am like I know where you're like if you're at like I don't know your partner's house I can't see any of these things any of these names ever if you're at your partner's house I could like go like oh I wonder like okay so that's them I won't call them right now or something right but you would never mention I couldn't it would be I would it would live it would feel inappropriate and I think I'm wrong I think that's no no I'm the same

I think that no one likes to feel surveilled. So, like, if you look at it for, like, to be considerate, like, you can never tell them that you did that because then they feel like they were watched. I do feel like it's a, I wonder how this will evolve generationally because there's a generation of people who have like Life 360, I think it's called, right, where their like parents are always. Is it called Life 360? Yeah.

Yeah, it works like, essentially a surveillance app. but like but but sometimes they privatized the NSA that's crazy yeah um well people go buy soon yeah um that type of thing is like there's a generation of people who share that information with their friends and it's like mega location it's like extreme location sharing i had a group of friends we had a meetup of like we're all across the u.s there were like 12 of us that met up in one city and we all downloaded live 360 for that trip so we could like we had several cars we're trying to make sure of another but

I deleted it immediately after the trip because one, I don't want you to know where I am. Two, if your phone hits below 20%, every single person will spam you with an alert that says, charge your phone, charge your phone, charge your phone. It's the most annoying thing. You have a lot more data than just like find my friends. Yeah, it's because it is meant for I have like a 13 year old or whatever

and they're at school and they have their phone for safety or whatever and I want to make sure that everything stays. It's funny because my immediate instinct was like, all right, that's a little much. And then I think to myself, like, in what universe, as a parent, could I not do that? Right. It's shifted because when I was a kid,

that wasn't an option. And so you expect that to be the norm, but then nowadays, especially in America, like going to a school, it's like, people are like, oh, my kid wouldn't have a cell phone. It's like, well, I freaking, they better so they have access to all the technology necessary for their safety, you know?

My experience in high school was that, if your parents made you have life 360 on your phone, you had strict parents. That's how I think about it. Yeah, it's like... It's helicopter parenting. It's the helicopter parent app, yeah. But also, that's the thing is like,

hey, I know this is a little annoying, maybe a little invasive, but if you are thinking your child's life could be on the line, it's just going to be so hard to be like, well, I don't want to be invasive at risk of you dying. Yeah. It's got to be tricky. Is it here?

Do we have it here? I've never heard of it. other than in like American TikToks. I don't know why it wouldn't be, but my gut said it wouldn't be. I have a feeling that Europe and the UK are much more strict, for better or for worse, like I think GDPR stuff is generally good, if not inconvenient, but then like the reset, like upload a photo so that you can look at it in SMW content thing.

Or go on Reddit or Spotify or whatever. You have to do it to go on Reddit. Or Spotify, apparently. I've actually not come across any of these so far. I haven't come across with myself either. It's maybe a rollout gradually. But yeah. People are using like Norman Redis from Death Stranding too.

Like a Gary's mod because some of them make you open your mouth. Anyway, let's jump back in. It says my dad calling my uncle to tell him good night. But he thinks my dad, oh, that's a serious. That's me. That's you. But he thinks my dad is at risk of self-harm. Because he called him.

Older guy. that might we don't talk about our feelings yeah yeah so I'm I'm an older guy you're an old soul I'm just getting ready for bed and I was calling to tell you good night why are you doing that champ that's kind of telling us doesn't make it did Sam how have you been drinking Sam just to say good night man Yeah, I was just getting ready for bed. That's a good friend. Call him say good night.

Okay, if you called me like that, I would, first location check. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like not a good, like, he's not selling it, and I would also be, I'm concerned, and I know what he's doing. And they've known each other their entire life. Yeah. It's operating outside of the behavior parameters that you're used to. And then clarification questions are not being answered in.

ways that are like normal right and so then you assume i think that it's understandable that someone would assume the word that's actually yeah very specifically um a couple of times i've had a handful of friends who have entered uh have been lost in like a extended manic state and the calls they make specifically you can in my experience i could tell with them because they were but known them decades and i've seen this specifically but maybe i'm sure in many cases i wouldn't notice but in this case friends mostly in the UK. There's a time difference. I'm just waking up, which means they're up really late.

They're calling me and I'm... Nothing jumps out immediately because, hey, it's nice check-in, haven't spoken in a while. And then, like, some of the vernacular will be, like, strangely specific. It'll be about something that I wasn't witnessed to. I don't know what... You know, it's like... There's like an interiority to the conversation that I'm not in. And they say, like, I've been really enjoying apples.

something and I got like, oh, what do you think of origins? What do you think of Batman origins? What do you think of oranges? And they go like, apples are here. And they're like, oh, wait, I'm not. I'm like, I'm Laura Mipsum right now in this conversation. That is close. Yeah.

For someone close in your life to call you and hit you with that. And he's going, what's going on? And he goes, I'm just saying good night. Yeah, what do you mean? You are either about to do something or kill me. Yeah. Are you asleep? By the way, are you home?

He looks so happy that his brother's concerned. Yeah, he looks so happy. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah. It's interesting just how differently someone might be conditioned to respond to anything that can be emotionally vulnerable or skewed emotionally. It's interesting. It speaks volumes that you hear the name of this trend or even.

It's like, came in, just wanted to say, I love you. I love it. I'm just playing game. You've done what I thought I was serious. It says a lot that at the moment I even heard

the premise of these clips, I immediately understood why it was weird in a way that really shouldn't be the case. It should not be such a foreign idea. But I'm also a bit like, do people, like, do women do this? Like...

I would do it... Anna State of texting each one of her friends, good night. You drive around town. If I'm being... Being honest, like, I have a couple of friends that I would do this with, um, not as a joke. Like, yeah, I'd be like, I'm headed to bed. Do you want to chat for a minute?

Like, blah, blah, blah. Or, um, like my friend Carrie, uh, I have been texting with her just like being like, hey, I know you're, you have a big day tomorrow. Just want to say good night and like, good luck tomorrow, blah, blah. So would you call someone with the express purpose to do you? just say good night and then hang up. That is inherently strange. I've had people be like, oh, like, you know, I'm just like doing some errands before I go to bed.

You want to just chat while we do that. Or even like, driving home. Or you could even say, hey, I just wanted to say like I've been thinking about X, Y, Z. I really appreciate. Yeah. Whatever. And like it feels like it's about a part of a personal journey. Yeah.

But when it's just, hey, just wanted to say good night. Yeah. Oh, hey, man. I think the only thing that it's idiot. would be weird really in any case, but I think the thing that jumps out to me is that when it's a mask gender performance coded, the thing that jumps from my mind that like sticks out is immediately like, what are you a girl? Yeah, like you're calling me on the phone.

Is it a joke? And I do you feel like the snickering kind of gives that vibe? It's like, oh, do you love me, dude? Like, what the hell? Yeah. Even though you might be very expressly like, I care about you. You are my brother in arms. I love you so much.

And then you call them and say, hey, hope you have a good night. Okay. Using the phone. Are you a friend? Anyway, I'll see you tomorrow. This was the thing I was actually wondering when I saw these. It's like, I understand why the like the bro thing is weird because it's weird just because they're bros. Yeah.

But I was also wondering whether or not anyone goes, hey, I'm just calling to say goodnight. Maybe if you're a parent calling a child. Or in the honeymoon phase with a partner. Or like, I mean, not that you could do that not in the honeymoon phase, but I can. It skews, especially in my life, I'd say it skews more romantic. Yeah. And that's probably why it makes it, makes it this trend to more. Bro.

It's just kind of thinking of my boyfriend. I'm just curious, like, what was the calculus for creating this in the first place? Which of the things we're talking about? Was it, like, wouldn't that be weird for a guy to call a guy? Or was it like, well, I'm a girl and I like doing this. What if a guy did it? Or I always do this to my guy friends and they're weird about it. Like, what led someone to this idea?

yeah i would love to know i will i will say that the general sentiment of this was like the impetus for even starting this podcast yeah why does it feel weird to call a friend yeah why does it yeah or or to be vulnerable with your boys yeah well i have i have a friend i have a friend called marco shout out marco um who uh yeah like if we see a beautiful sunset or the moon is big we will always text each other. If the moon is, if the moon is big, Anestager's got a fucking mailing list. If anesthesia sees any bird.

Yeah. Anna Stey and I will be like texting about work and then she'll be like, by the way, check the moon out. And I'm like, dude, I love the lens. Dude, you heard about this shit? Well, sometimes it's funny because there was one time where I had my phone on the table and I got a text and it was just go outside.

I get that from my haters. You want to step outside right? Look at this red dot. Is this a new dad just dropped? Is that the dad from modern family? No. Or I, a racist.

That one. All right then. That is a dad from a modern family. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, this one's odd. Tell my dad to call my sister's boyfriend to say goodnight. Yeah.

How long have they been dating? That's important information. Have they met? Because if they haven't, this is a especially bold choice. Well, I think they have each other. They have each other's phone numbers, that's true They have each other's phone numbers

Yes, okay, okay, okay, okay, You'll hear the, the casualness with which they don't Hello? Hey. Hey, what's up? No, much in there, man. So, the, hang on one second.

Are you busy at work? No, it's, all right, hang on, hang on. all right what are you doing this is the most business-like way to do this is parent call hello what are you doing

I'm at work oh what you don't want you to he doesn't even know how to ask how you're like that's funny like that's the most revealing part the most revealing part is like asking how are you

I can't even I can't how are you oh my gosh a native a different language phonetically like bonjower I'm so cookie

I love that he's like hang on hang on I gotta collect myself give me a second now I gotta put the pieces together How are you do that He even opened with what are you doing What are you up to? What are you?

He sounds like a cop What are you doing? Very accusatory Explain yourself The It's kind of how I feel When someone goes Hey are you free in like 15 minutes

or like a we need to talk coded text, when someone doesn't realize they're sending that, I'm like, what's happening? Especially if it's like tomorrow. Oh, yeah, we got to talk to you tomorrow. Yeah. Or is there any time, are you free in the next week to talk at some point? Now, whatever is going on.

I'm leaving the birth of my first born. I think like John's pissed. I've heard that once before when they wrote, oh, are you free to talk? But they meant, are you free to hang? out. Ah. And for the, I, like, came to this hangout, like, super, because of, like, are you, in

the next week, are you free at any point to hang out? But they said talk. So I show up, like, and they're like, yeah, man, let's, should we go get, like, lunch? Yeah, yeah. Oh. I think, like, and there's not an issue. There's not a problem? And then I had to, I called, I was like, you sent me, I thought weird there was a

problem. And they were like, what do you mean? And I had to, like, pull out my phone and read it to them. Yeah. I wonder how many instances I've typed the wrong thing. and no one confronted me about it. Like, I bet there's a text somewhere in the past. It's like, I meant to say, I like this shirt,

and I said, like, I like this shit or something. Or to someone, the, uh, putting a period at the end of the text, yeah, and then someone, like, there's someone who stopped talking to me because I accidentally used the wrong punctuation. No, I was just, uh, Ellie is like all over me. What? What? Uh, I'm not putting a way to that.

Okay, okay, okay. So Ellie might be a younger, child or his wife Ellie is all over me as a crazy thing No no no exactly so what I thought Nagin me or a dog Could be and that's a weird lie So what I assumed was

He's being put up to this Because the person who posted this Wanted to post the trend And that is probably why this person is posting I made my dad call my sister's boyfriend Like why not call your own boyfriend friend maybe they're single right now and they need to get they need to get this ticot off for the do you think that ellie's all over me is like the the damn broke on the insecurity

and he's like i i'm not okay the i'm a real man i'm not calling you for no reason because what i initially read that was is ellie's all over me to do this thing for ticot oh i was like oh that's why he's hesitating and stuttering and like right no that also makes sense but yeah is it an imaginary dog is the dog in the room with us right now i really want to know how this transpires yeah well Oh, my God. No, I just got a... Oh, my God. What you said?

Hang on. I'm not even sure what he's trying to get to. I don't know either. He got to did it. This is like when you try and tell a story, but you're laughing. Yeah. It's about people who are telling it to don't know. It makes no sense.

It's just very funny to me that what he's trying to get out is something of love a life says, how are you doing? He's getting stupid. Dunlucked on hello. Like, the mere concept of saying hello to a man. No, I just, I just called the second night. He literally cannot do it. I feel bad for the boyfriend, because he's just being laughed at.

He doesn't even know why. He's muting. Oh, he's muting. Which is even more concerning. Yeah, because it just sounds like he's breaking up. The second you hear, like, him hyperventilated or something. is a dog, I probably think he's being mold. No, I was just, no,

I fixed the faucet today. Oh, did you? I couldn't figure it out. Hell yeah, man. No, I did it. I did it, but... It works. Yeah, so. Sweet dreams. Oh, my God. He just hung up!

He said, oh my God. Hey, how are you doing? I fixed the faucet. Yeah, I put up a shelf. Anyway, sweet dreams And then you just See a red dot Yeah, that's it

I like call Katie's sister or something And I just go like I painted a wall today It feels like It feels like prank calling When you call like someone you don't know Like is your refrigerator running Asked questions

Okay Oh my god Goodbye I got catch it I had like a large foot pizza Oh, okay. This is Domino's, right?

Yep. Hey, how's it going? Have a good night. Okay. Peefs, what was that last one? You had one? Yeah, I sent it to Jake. It's another one of a...

This one's actually having my dad call my boyfriend. Oh, not mine. Oh, I was saying... Sorry. That's crazy. That's what they're having their dad called their boyfriend. Got it, got, got, yeah. Who you're dating?

Yes. Okay. Wait. Turn the volume up. Hello, Terry. Well, hi, Cameron. What's up? Not much, just watching my show. What's up? What show are you watching?

Shameless. What did you do today? This guy's better at it. Uh, went to work, did a lot of oil chains. That's about it. This is what Santa Claus does in the office. He's such a prankster. What do?

What do? See? It's because of the white beard. And the whimsy. In the whimsy. Look at that beard. He's like, he died. He passed out.

His body's gonna, like, he kept it together for like a solid 15 seconds. And the catalyst for laughing was him saying, what are you watching? And this guy answering the question. is he still on the phone yeah the boyfriend never hangs up oh my god

is passed out and then wait I need to keep is that his laugh I told you I was gonna pass out okay he knows out of about him so. Oh, yeah, I'm here. I swear I got it. By asking me how he's doing, I will

pass out. I'm so allergic. I'm just fundamentally allergic to vulnerability that my, my body will start shutting down. One organ at a time, hives on my back. It's funny, but it's low key sad. It's like, it's crazy. It's like, it's like, um, being so unable to engage, like, like vulnerability has an A.T. field over it. You can't penetrate.

You know, the other thing about it, though, is like, he's also, like, he's also, like, like doing a bad job of having an interesting conversation like it's like he like because you say like oh what are you watching and then he answers and then he's like and what did you do today like there's no engagement of the what was said dude this is such a nephew conversation so hey what are you up to I have my retro

do you like it I like my blue one too so this is something that unfortunately is very common and bad and and I do think that what is happening right now is you are asking these people to act You're asking him to riff One side of your composition

And it is not their core competency Hey, um, welcome to the doctor's office And I have a gun Okay Uh, dying laughing, passing out Yeah Well, that was fun Incredible

I like him Hey I mean Yeah Maybe not all of his opinions are good Not to profile Isn't that the worst You're like not allowed to enjoy anything

Because it's like Well I mean Unless it's milkshake though Yeah I stand by everything he says actually Yeah You've watched his other stuff? No, yeah, yeah.

He calls you every night. You're on big telephone. Hey, I put up a shelf. He's asked me what I've been watching many times. What's to say? He's an American. So we are going to wrap this up for today. But if you want us to say goodnight to you, which is the thing we do every week, we have a Patreon podcast called Sabboys Nights, which is basically this, except for the

The cameras keep on rolling. The rules. No rules. No rules. We're going to prank call all of our friends and tell them that we enjoy their company. I'm going to call them up. Tell them I'm going to kill them. And then say, just kidding.

What are you watching? No, I'm going to tell them. I'm going to kill them. I'm materially engaged in what they say. No. My next question. I will talk entirely past them. Yes.

Taha, thank you so much for joining us. It's good to finally make good on our plans. that we've been 20 years ago Do you want to call up on a show I haven't started yet but in a second version of it I think Sad Boys No

Sad Boys' first episode was in September of 2017 Damn Well I remember you inviting me on Sad Boys All those years ago Wow And as a as a

You know Young Scrappy Networker I put it on a list And like things to do When I go to America Is go on Sad Boys And that's not What happens

See the Statue of Liberty eat a hamburger you have all of that stuff here now you have stab boys here as well go to McDonald's but then you didn't come to America and do the show we we bloody took care of it didn't we well as was the original plan

as was the original plan apparently and thanks for doing it is there anything you want to promote answer in progress anything you're working on if you're interested in asking questions that are very innocuous and then discovering there's a whole world of interesting information behind that.

Very well researched. Essentially, like, the iceberg below the question type videos. We're like, I think we're like, if you're like someone who likes commentary stuff, we're probably the, and not to profile all of your audience. Go ahead.

It's like, if you watch like a lot of the commentary stuff that's like more entertainment, this might be like the smartest thing you watch. And then if you watch I take it back. This is not okay. By smartest, I mean educational. You know what I mean? No, I guess. But then if you watch like, educational stuff we're definitely the dumbest thing you watch and it's like that's the that's the bit that we sit in this is just the educational stuff i look at i mean hey whoa dude pakistan drop

i feel like he pulled the muscle in my life oh oh i ran oh have they found a new way to say iran do you guys is that like a thing that you guys say uh iran there is so because i think of george bush like how do you say the country well i I say Iran. Okay. But, and I don't even know if that's right. But, uh, I think that's right. But, but the, um, but George Bush said Iraq, Iran.

Yeah. And iPod. And iPod. Those are the three. Well, that was Steve Jobs' trifecta. That gives me an idea. Um, and, and I feel like because he was president and he was constantly saying that stuff. And also we were going to war.

Yeah. Um, everything he said was wrong and, uh, repeated by it. He also said strategic, so... He also said nuclear. Wait, what's... Hang on. Nuclear. So, uh, nuclear being the word, but he would be like, nuclear. Nuclear. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nuclear. I'm trying to get nuclear. The N-word. Oh, no. That was Trump's thing. No, Trump said, uh, there's two N-Words. I need to warm up into my Trump. I get to start, like, cold. And my favorite beer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, I just wanted to give you, um, noise, light, and litter discipline in the military. Oh, that's a nice. Oh, wow. Noise, light, and litter discipline.

Don't litter. Well, anyway, Taha, we end every... Don't litter, I think is a great sentiment to end on. Taha, we end every episode establish with a particular phrase. We love you. And I'm sorry. Bang. Boom.

Bang. Goochie girl. How you doing? How you're moving on? Moving all. How she's delicate that future girl? Future girl. Yeah, we are now.

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