Sad Boyz - True Crime Cruise Is A Horrible Idea

Episode Date: January 3, 2025

Jarvis and Jordan discuss the intricacies of the holidays & family romanticism, a pet psychic, and a true-crime-themed cruise?! Sad Boyz Nightz #95 Weekly bonus episodes for only $5/mo at: https://patreon.com/sadboyz Join our Discord ▸ https://discord.gg/Hw82Dhun4m P.O. Box ▸ 3108 Glendale Blvd Suite 540, Los Angeles CA 90039 Play Sad Boyz BINGO ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/bingo Write To Us ▸ [e-mail] Use the subject line "Pen Palz" and we could read it on the next episode! Our Links ▸ https://linktr.ee/sadboyzpod 00:00:00 Welcome to 2025! 00:02:04 Holiday vacation activities 00:07:34 Icy Hot 00:12:52 Sponsored by: Rocket Money 00:14:22 Feelings about the holidays & family 00:53:00 Pet Psychic 01:05:29 Murder Mystery Cruise 01:36:52 Sad Boyz Nightz #75

Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. The date is January 2nd, 2025. Don't forget, guys, Sad Boys merch sale at the Capitol, January 6th. As always, every single year, we meet inside the building. Not every year. We skipped one. We were busy. It got a little crazy was the issue.

Just kidding, everybody. Except for not kidding about the year. It's 2025 now. I lost my voice over the weekend because I was shouting about it being 2025. You were reminding everyone. Yeah, I was reminding everybody. Can I say we were just at the same New Year's party. Right.

At our friend's house. And everyone missed the countdown. Everyone missed it. Everyone missed the countdown. And then as kind of like a kindness to everyone else, everyone seemed to buy into the kayfabe that we didn't all miss it. Yeah, we all pretended. We were all like, hey, now we start counting.

At like 12.02, we all started counting from 15. 15! I thought it was going crazy. Which is a funny number to start from. Well, a handful of people did go from 10, including myself, and then went back five to catch up with the group. Right. And then there was a big two separate Happy New Years,

the first of which was like telling a knock-knock joke, but it didn't land. It was like, and it's, oh, sorry. Oh, 10 now. Now we're doing 10. 10, 9. Sorry, my bad. And then, I don't know.

The applause and the, there was a success to it. Yeah. I felt a little robbed i the party was lovely and i was okay with it just because like because it's all we're already on a tape delay if we're watching like not a tape delay but like there's already going to be some sort of delay to any broadcast if we're watching it so unless we're on like the world clock or whatever and syncing up to that which i mean last year what we pulled up like miley cyrus new year countdown um which ended on the fifth which was in the east coast we were watching like the the three hours old not three

hours old but yeah three hours old version of it um how are you dude we it's been a while since we did sad boys has been a while since we did sad boys um i voice sounds kind of cool well thanks smoky j over here smoky j in the morning in the afternoon and at night coughing coughing i'm i'm chilling uh been taking it easy though i guess i gotta get back to work um been playing a bunch of runescape uh finished my league uh got got dragon rank started up a new account dragon rank could stop yeah just like there's only so many basically it's like the max rewards you get and then you get a physical trophy in the main game physical you get a a permanent item in the main game in the second life in my second life uh where you get to like flex so you got the trophy so that was somebody's like hey we're really nice time thanks for playing

with me today guys and you walk up and like did you say something about the trophy yeah did you say anything about it you mentioned that and then also they put when you roll over like names in the current league it shows the rank that you got in the previous league so i didn't play the previous league because i hadn't played the game in like three years so i didn't have anything that's my name which is fine but imagine if i had an iron trophy next to me instead of a fucking dragon one dude brother i have been relaxing i've been i i injured my back i think from i have this old boxing injury um and i it doesn't cause me like it's not the biggest deal in the world but when it like is flaring up it's a pain in the butt well it's a pain in my back i remember

it's a really long pain actually you have a very high butt um i remember when it first happened it was rough. And then you did a lot of the roller stuff. Yeah, and I still do that. And I have my little physical therapy exercises that I learned. But I've been doing a lot of horizontal being, which is fun anyway for me. Just fun to mix it up. Intern knows what's up.

Being horizontal, overrated, underrated. Underrated. Underrated. I love that shit it's great thank you yeah we should point out a moment ago peeps it somehow occupied

the armchair like a little whippet or a ferret in a perfect circle on the arm and I go yeah you look like you look like Fox

when she's grumpy speaking of which happy birthday Fox when we record this happy birthday Fox my rare pupper is three years old

wow she looks it yeah i'll say i mean i don't want to be rude i mean in dog years that's like three that's like three years old at that point i would even say yeah uh but yeah she's um you know just to this isn't overly affectionate but um happy birthday she's overly affectionate to me she fucking loves you it's actually you took both of you dude she's obsessed with peeps it's weird shut up shut up fox i think i have something of a dog whisper in me you have a hormone that's going out yeah or i smell like dipper which is also a thing but you just smell really bad at new year's uh sandwich sandwiches dog oki was there and both at cutie's christmas stream and at uh this new year's party oki always comes up to me and it's like what's up and oki's like not doing that to

anybody but like like a fan yeah she's like i remember that those hikes what we went on oh dude we all the opposite of a grudge um it's like i remember that those hikes what we went on yeah oh dude we all the opposite of a grudge um it's like i remember when we went outside which is kind of my favorite thing so i've been uh i've been balancing so my this uh play pattern uh that i've been exhibiting which is lying down or sitting up playing runesuneScape and then watching something. That goes way back. I have an email that I sent to Russell back in 2005 where I said, check out my kick butt setup.

And it was me with my Windows XP desktop and Dragon Ball Z in the corner while I was playing Pest Control. The screen maxing? Hell yeah. On my CRT monitor that weighed 5 000 pounds um portable handle of the gamecube open and ready in case i need to dash yeah i was gonna say uh portable in quotes um yeah i love the idea of uh people don't know the gamecube had a

it's killer app its feature outside of just being a newer console was that the disks are tiny and that it has a handle on it, but it still needed cables. It has a- You had to have cables where you were taking it to. Right. Or carry the cables.

Wrap them up like a bandolier around your chest. You can go to Callum's house, plug it in and play Animal Crossing. It feels kind of like if a bento box was a game console. It just like very neat you know it's like it's very neat and square yeah sometimes I wonder if like that's influence because I I still have like so much affection for a concise toy yeah like a tidy little square right well uh so you've been a horizontal so while I've been horizontal playing RuneScape i've been watching uh squid game season two which is uh beast games and then uh and then squid game season two the real one um return to the squid but then i uh i have to balance the fact that sometimes i have

to look at the screen in runesScape and I do not speak Korean. So that's why I needed like an English show to watch. So I've been watching the starting five documentary on Netflix. How's the in-between segments, briefly off screen, you put on an Icy Hot. How's that feeling? First time with an Icy Hot, yes? No, well, it's not my first time using icy hot products because i've used the like roller and there's like a deodorant i think style version of it and then what's the

other way icy hot is delivered ointment i've also used the tube the ointment drank it but but um the intern who is also uh a back fun haver has uh got your back i do have a back fun haver has I do have a back fireworks I was like ordering some icy hot patches because we were talking about them and then peeps was like oh I also have one right here

like a Zelda store we opened the inventory menu and checked and turns out you had a bunch on you so we looted you and so i i'm currently it's currently hot and it was icy before and it is fun it's a fun type of hot like a chemical hot what how is that what's going on it's just like secreting something that makes it feel like it's uh is it actually raising the temperature of your back because of what's going on? I cannot explain the science to you. I don't know.

Give me your back. No, but that's uncharacteristic for Anastasia. Well, so here's my. I remember when I invented it. I was interning inside of the icy hot tube. Think about it. A photo of Anastasia holding up a vial. It's only hot.

So I think that the ointment that this is secreting into your back at the moment is just like a menthol ointment. And like lidocaine. Lidocaine. Something like. I don't know if this one has lidocaine. Some of them. It has like 0.4. It's not on the label, but some percentage of something tiny um it's gonna be really annoying

because none of the things we like people are skeptical about right now as far as long-term health effects are going to turn out to actually be the problem it's going to turn out to be like gaming yeah that actually kills this entire generation oh yeah tiktok actually puts uh water in your lungs so i could have been smoking cigarettes that's good. God, dude, wouldn't it suck if we started smoking? We put asbestos back in the houses and lead back in the paint. Oh, dude, what if you and me, like, we just start smoking cigarettes in, like, five years,

and we feel incredible all the time. And it turns out it was the best ever. That's impossible for Jarvis. That's impossible for me. You wouldn't get. He's allergic. Well, I at least used to be allergic, and now I don't technically have an allergy. I just have a severe aversion because of a lifelong of having an allergy where you're like prepared. It's like, um,

it's like a trauma almost where, where it's like when I was younger, for those who don't know, like I had a, a allergy to a number of ingredients inside of cigarettes. And so I was allergic to cigarette smoke and I couldn't smoke cigarettes. I was also a child, but my mom, my mom quit smoking after, uh,

after we found that out. And, um, so that's a tip. If anybody wants to quit smoking, just have a child, a child that's allergic. So I've spent most of my life avoiding cigarette smoke,

not being in, trying to be annoying about it, but like, I've definitely like held my breath in places where I'm like, I'm just going to go outside. I'm going to go in the other room. I'm going to go have a cigarette outside, actually, is what I was thinking. I'm going to do that.

You guys smoke regular because I smoke like super cigarettes, but I have to. They're like, wait, stop. I have a really long story to tell you. And I'm like, okay, sounds like a plan. Just make it quick. I'm turning blue from too many good cigarettes that I smoked. Did you have like um any peer pressure socially at school to smoke no never i also think it's crazy that we had uh candy cigarettes as a

yeah everithing they're gone ever really i remember i had spy i got on halloween i got spider-man candy cigarettes fucking crazy badass we um uh there was like a little production people everyone thinks i was a theater kid i'm not i'm just like a kind of not me too comfortable person but i was at the time i was like a pretty i was a very nervous kid but i got ended up in like a school production thing because at the time i was refusing to go to school my mom was like i've got to socialize them in some way and so i was in this play where we had to smoke fake cigarettes with a gaspy or something and i did not understand the utility of them what you're supposed to do is you hold it to your mouth and you blow and like a baking powder type solution but whatever

that solution is is one step down from asbestos like it is really not stuff you should be near this is some 2000s it's also backwards if you actually smoke. Exactly. Because you're exhaling. Which is exactly the reason I inhaled a ton of this shit. Just took it all in. And then fucking understood. You got to take the role for the night. Because you had to go to the hospital. Because I was coughing and wheezing. Chalk lung or whatever.

Yeah. And everyone was like, you're making a big deal out of nothing. Get out of here. Go home. I wasn't a theater kid. A lot of people think I think i am anyway i was a kid in a theater play i was like a theater child i would do i'm so scared of performing i did really didn't i don't know it felt um like i was going to get made fun of for being a character they're like i know jordan's not shylock right you're a tree and it's like hey

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and cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach those financial goals faster by heading over to rocketmoney.com slash sadboys. That's rocketmoney.com slash sadboys, rocketmoney.com slash sadboys. That's us. How were your holidays prior to the New Year? Because we spent New Year's together, actually. We did, we knew. But I didn't see you for like a week before that or something. Yeah, because we recorded all Sad Boys in bulk, and then I...

Unless you watch those, in which case, they happened exactly the day that you watched them. They were live. Yeah, they were actually live. And if you watch them now, they're live they're also live yeah we'll make we'll make references to things that are happening today we will pay attention to what we're wearing you'd think my hair is longer actually i'm wearing a hat so you don't know that i it was it was okay i got very depressed but i i don't think it's a um

the seasonal issue, and I'm not particularly attached to Christmas as an event. Total solo Crimbo. Katie went back to Michigan to surprise her mom. Aw. It was very sweet. Oh, so I was a Fox dad, actually. I was solo Fox dad for kind of the last, until actually yesterday.

Yeah. And it was, that was nice because i had some accountability to wake up to and kind of go and she's right right she's very sweet if she spots that you're not feeling well very kind of like kind of she's an empath she just wants to say she's an empath she on tiktok learned how to be cool and give her constructive feedback like would you be open to me saying something emotionally direct right now? Grow up, dude. Get over it. Baby, boy, wah-wah.

First and last time she ever spoke. Yeah. But it made sense in the moment. Dramatically, it was earned. Okay. Urged choice. But, yeah, I got very, I don't know, like, self-conscious in a way that I'm not normally. Not about, like, myself.

You know, obviously, we all have those. It was much more about, like, mateconscious in a way that I'm not normally, not about like my, myself, you know, obviously we all have those. It was much more about like, um, made, I actually, you know what it was? It's cause we're entering, I guess now we're in it. The year that I've got my next visa step again. Cause since March of last year, I guess I was like June, whatever it was, there was some question marks. Like, is this thing going to get resolved? And then they were were and i knew i had like another 14 months or something guaranteed and then after that who knows this next step is again it's like very not to jinx anything it's not jeopardy

it just you have to re-up things and you have to change things you have to submit things and because it's like on the horizon again i think i was like uh kind of counting down the days in the year that i could be in denial and just be like it's 2024 baby that's just not even close what's gonna happen and then i think it it creeped up um and neither i don't think either of us particularly like the holidays either no i knew years it's fun years is fun i i always get weird um i was talking to one of our friends about this uh i always feel closer to the people who like don't have a traditional family situation around I always get weird. I was talking to one of our friends about this. I always feel closer to the people who, like, don't have a traditional family situation around the holidays. Because we're all kind of, like, in this together, you know?

No HSM. Last Christmas we went, I believe we had Chinese food and Dragon Ball movie time. Yes. Yeah, that was great. And we've done that before. And that's usually what we probably would have done. But my sister was in town. And my sister and I, again, my family is not like we weren't raised together.

And so the last time I saw my sister was 10 years ago. Wow. And it's not by avoiding each other. We text and stuff. It's just like she's across the country and everybody's like doing their own thing um no one's made any effort but it's not like just me right and everyone's in different states so it's just i think people i think people sometimes assume that like if if you're you are family with someone then that's the imperative to connect with to stay in contact more but i would contest sometimes it's the relationship doesn't need maintenance in a way other ones might so i mean

my own very close but i messaged her happy new years and it was the first time we've been in contact since october right and we used to speak most days especially about my mom's stuff but like things are pretty chill right now they're doing their own thing and i was like i'll check it in yeah and so she she's a um she's a teacher and has a uh three kids and she's in florida no she's in illinois so that's that's the thing it's like i don't even like my family's originally from illinois but my sister is the only one who like lives there and my sister and i weren't raised together so i like i met her when i was like 12 you know oh she was always in illinois no not even about that she never even left yeah and then she was 10 years older than me also so like we were never like adults at the same time and stuff um but anyway um she was like we are we have tickets to disney and so i was like okay

i'll like meet you there and so i got to hang out with my nieces and nephews who i like hadn't spent any time with and they were uh hilarious and they did all kinds of funny stuff like uh running away and getting lost at disney that's a solid bit. Yeah, it was really kind of UA. We literally can't do that anymore. If I run away from a group, I'm not missing. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It did happen so many times that it was,

you would think it wouldn't be funny. And it would actually be stressful for everyone involved. Thankfully. But actually, no, it was actually hilarious and chill. Good. Every single time it was funny. Like where is the thing i care about missing and then the nine-year-old goes missing looking for the 10-year-old then we find the 10-year-old and realize that we don't know where the number that's cool that's actually hilarious when you're making a house of cards what

you want to visit for it to fall over and knock into the dominoes you're also like all mad and moody about who knows what that's great it was actually sick but not articulating so sweet it was so sweet and it was really nice and they liked me which was validating to you um finally someone does finally it's okay to be young yeah it's it's okay to be unc and then the youngest was six and very like loud and boisterous and would also just no physical spatial awareness of anything so there's like crowds like walking and he's like trying to do like kamehameha in the middle of the crowd and i'm like hey bud we gotta like stay in line we're like in line for a ride you know like and i'm like hey can we do this and he's like i don't why good question i mean i guess i don't really have a great answer to that because

because you might get kind of judged in a ethereal way that you don't care about right now but later on you'll kind of get paranoid yeah also there's like just general uh not inconveniencing everyone else who's like spending their holiday and family at disney there's like somebody in a wheelchair like trying to be pushed through and then he's just like busy. Trying to sing jutsu. Yeah. That is not a joke what he was doing. Hell yeah, bro. Like he was doing jutsus and he was doing Kamehameha waves.

And he was telling me about how Gojo was his favorite anime character. But then he was like referencing Dragon Ball and I was like, all right, I got this one in the bag. So I just started like dropping lore and shit about Dragon Ball. And he was like, whoa, sensei. Yeah. And then the next day he was like my best friend. He was like, will you go on the ride with me? That's very cute.

It was a good time. That's nice, man. That's like a pretty momentous event. Was it nice to have kind of the feeling of having, because we've talked about your family before and there's probably some people wondering like, well, Jordan didn't know these things. It's not that i don't know it's more like i mean it's just a maybe again because we have similar family structures maybe i just don't

assume that there's something there you know well it's like that's i don't talk to my dad but it's so bad infrequent that we interact and like i would i think in a perfect world like it to be more frequent but it's also there's so. And I think everyone who has a complicated family situation can relate to this, where there's so many factors that it becomes easiest not to do anything. Yeah, for sure. You know, because there's even things that I'm not comfortable sharing on the show, obviously, that are complicating and confounding factors to everything. That you'd want to put your effort into wholly.

You don't want to take a little bit like, I know I'm not doing the best I can with it. But it went smooth as hell, sounds like. And you learned Jiu-Jitsu. But speaking of family stuff, I also haven't spoken a ton to my little brother, who, again, we weren't raised together. But we, like, did spend some time together, like, when I was maybe 12 to 15, 16.

You guys started talking more recently. Yeah, we started talking again more recently. And that's been fun. And his, one of his friends got him my merch for Christmas. And I thought that was, like, it's so funny. Because you would think, it's even that you would think I would like send my merch to my brother but like we just hadn't there's no drama there's no conflict i love him to death we just had not spoken in a really long time yeah it just like hadn't come up because everybody's just in their own little world and

doesn't reach out i think if i if i knew there was like something wrong then yeah you'd actually take the effort but also like when do i what's the catalyst for it they're living life it's not like that's the thing it's like it's kind of i think it's hard for people to and it's it's even a little bit i like i'm almost like embarrassed to admit some of these things publicly because of how traditional family structures are for some people and how they can't imagine the relationships that i have it's a failure as opposed to just something it feels it might be my anxiety is that it'll be seen as a failure rather than just a circumstance that is not good nor bad. Yeah.

You know, and I think that that's one thing that I, I think there were times in life when I was very resentful of people who had like very strong family identities and family units and things like that. I'm sure. Yeah. And, and I think it took me a long time to not view like my own circumstances with family as like a personal failure, despite the fact that like family is a very nebulous and weird concept. And the family members that I was closest to the ones that raised me, a lot of whom have passed away. And so that's also like my closest family members have died

you know what i mean yeah and so like in terms of like the people that i spent my most of my childhood with or were raised by and things like that and so people you would make a concerted effort to stay and so that's this we it's this weird it's this weird thing because i think when i was younger there was also this, you're not my real mom. So like my biological mother, even though she's my biological mother, wasn't who raised me. But then like, and then also there's just like not having a relationship with someone. There's just all these things that when you're younger, especially like you are grappling with, cause you're like trying to figure out identity and there's still like things that i grapple with related to all of that that just like come up

during the holidays and i think it just most of my christmases have like been sad sure yeah you know because because i because i think about the picturesque, you know, family unit. If there's one thing that feels like it has a fail state, family-wise, it's the holidays. It's like the default, like, talking. I'm even, like, watching the NBA, and they're like, we just think this time is the best time to be spending time with families and family, family, family, family.

Basketball family. And I'm like. Even the, like, cynical things are people being like you know when you're bumping your old racist uncles and they're still referencing being with people or even like if i was to explain why i was anxious about going to hang out with my sister and her kids it's an anxiety born out of like i don't know if this is going to go well because we haven't like hung out in a long time. But if I were to just, I always feel this weird thing because the normal, the expectation is hanging out with family is good.

It's good and it's, there's nothing wrong with it. And it's like, oh, that's so sweet. That's so nice. Right. And it is in like it is but some people myself included may have conflicting feelings about things because of experience you know it's nice if it's nice it's not nice by design so it's like i can't just say to like oh i mean now i i can't actually be like oh i spent some time with family. It was really sweet. But leading up to it, I was like, oh, I'm going to Disney with some family.

People were like, oh, that's so nice. And I'm like, yes. It could be, for sure. It certainly could be. That is one of the possibilities. What's funny, I guess, is that that's almost like maybe the best representation of that experience where it's like, yeah, I'm going home for the holidays. It could be some tension. It could be some tension, could be some weird things,

but I know ultimately it probably could go well, sort of. And everything did go well. And so like, I think it's, but what I'm speaking on, and hopefully there are some people who like relate to this, is just like how complicated some of these feelings can like be during the holidays.

Yeah. So shout out if you've gone through any of that uh and also shout out if you had a good old time with your family that's wonderful yeah i don't have like i remember i was always i always felt very fulfilled with like it was always just me and my mom and we weren't close with the family and then later on i kind of got a little more insight into maybe why that was but when my mom was sick me and my aunt got became very close and that kind of like i got to know everyone because i kind of i knew my cousins and you know my cousin tom i stayed relatively close but it was literal not a lot of time away and then they all moved to the

about as far away in england as we could be because that's what my family's from newcastle so they all went back up there and i just didn't really know the method you know I'm bad enough at like staying in touch with the people that I see often and want to maintain relationships with and there is no uh time difference things like that but I always kind of was in the position of thinking that they wouldn't want to know me better because I wasn't part of that rhythm it wasn't like super trad family that you know know, some of the even like more traditional family structures in my family was still like two different parents for particular kids or something. It wasn't like ridiculous, picturesque, fake advertisements from the 50s kind of stuff. It was a more organic, legitimate, you know, family structure with their own struggles. I'm positive, I'm negative, so-and-so. Which is the thing you don't see

when I would go to a friend's house who had a mum that made, didn't have to go to work, right? Like right in the morning and I go like, oh, it's like TV. And like, oh, the big plate of breakfast for everyone right after the Call of Duty sleepover thing. It is just like TV.

That's how I think about it too. And then now I'm like, well, what is, the TV image that I have taken on, thing it is just like tv that's how i think about it too and then now i'm like well what is the tv image that i have taken on i have never seen represented in real life ever and i don't think and i don't think anyone has because what that's a crazy expectation and if anyone has and if anyone does have that it's impossible to have it and also i would say it's very rare to have that and also appreciate it in the way that it's rarity and sort of like, I think everyone's situation is like equally valid and has its pros and cons.

Obviously. I think every person in your life is going to have an impact in a positive and sometimes negative way. Even if that negative is like the difficulty of being very close to someone or someone that knows a lot about you or like, I have friends that aren't close to their siblings and they did grow up very very very close and there's you know just one particular event one of them had a particular girlfriend that was a point of tension and now they're no longer together but it's weirder to reconnect with someone you

only really know them as a 15 year old now and you got to relearn. And I don't, I don't know. I certainly like my mom never wanted, she, she liked being a single mother. I think, I think she wanted some support and she would have liked, you know, would be more than happy with like another person in the household and things like that.

But I, it, I think I was very late to realizing how abnormal it was. I sort of just saw it as like, well, this is like the way my life could only be this. There is no alternative to this. Is it abnormal though? It's a single mother and single kid was, single mother wasn't uncommon at all, but just the one kid was pretty rare where I was from at the very least.

And I don't know if that's just indicative of like when the parents split or what happened, but I like, I was, Hey, surprise. You're having a kid. And I was like,

nice. And my dad's like, nice. Oh, I'm getting deported. And then like the, so that was, it was kind of coincidental,

but I think maybe because we weren't that close with the family, I don't think my mom had or ever instilled in me a spectrum of success. Like, well, yeah, we, if someone gets divorced, that's less good than the next tier of thing. And so, and so I'm going to, I'm going to throw some strays. Okay. And I, and I don't want to devalue anyone's like emotional experiences, but I just got to say it.

If you're over 25, you can't be getting sad about your parents getting divorced. You can't be doing that. I think that's like a... I mean, I won't make that hot take. I will say that it's one of those things where my brain goes, like, don't be sad that it's over. Just be glad that it happened. Just because it's like... I'm like, oh oh it's cool that you got to have a whole like childhood into adulthood with like a but

but obviously like it could have maybe the their relationship sucks right exactly it's like maybe it's up the whole time maybe it's you keep staying together for the kids but then be thrilled that they broke up if things weren't as long as everyone ends up in a positive situation i'm certainly not saying the result of the divorce isn't something but i know people who have like uh the parents have split they each are in their own relationships that's part of the reason it happened they've separated maybe the official divorce hasn't even gone through and it's like pretty amicable but it's just like i'm an can be sad, but you can't be distressed. I'll play devil's advocate.

Probably angel's advocate. I'll be angel's advocate, you little devil. And I will, because this is not something that I know, but it's something that I can, in my head, where the sympathy comes from, how I I would sympathize is like I think for people when that happens in adulthood it now challenges a foundation of of what they thought love was what was I what have I been looking for if that is right exactly wait you mean it can end like that whereas if it happens early that may have a different effect on you if it never

happens at all that may have a different effect on you so it's really like it's just one of the out again it's like i can't place like uh a moral judgment on any of the outcomes but these are all like things that can happen that have some effect yes be they good or bad we're both working from sympathy not empathy so we obviously exactly but that's that's kind of what i imagine can happen for for people because i have that i think i had to develop that sympathy because like when it's weird because like i was often coming from a different position than a lot of people that i knew regarding family stuff so i had to like wrap my head around a lot of situate situation there were like more common situations amongst everyone else than like of my specific one sure yeah you know where it's like wasn't raised by my birth parent

then person raising me dies then i'm going to like foster court to like decide where I'm going to end up. There's no parallels here. And then I end up in a situation that's like fine, but it's also got some strange things I'm not comfortable going into on the pod, but like it has some strange elements to it. And then I'm 18 and don't basically see anyone else, anyone who raised me ever again. Yeah, right. I was 14, or I was 13, actually, when they, like, legally divorce. But that's after five years of a really shitty, intense, like, they're cheating on each other.

They're, like, just messy, messy stuff. Separated, and then divorced thing. Yeah. But, like, still together in the same house? Same house until I was 13. Well, there was some leaving and coming back between then. And then when I was 13, they finally legally divorced. I lived by myself, which is weird, but that's a whole other story.

At 13, 14? 13, 14. That's crazy. I was a freshman in high school and then eventually lived with my dad had a single dad uh and we moved to another town at that point i know that is the obviously the term is is like single dad single father etc but there's something about like like single mother maybe this is just a. But there's something about like single mother. Maybe this is just because I have one. Maybe this is my bias. Single mother sounds like what it is.

And then a single dad sounds like you lost the other. I'm like, where's my other dad? I interpreted that as he's ready to mingle. Single dad ready to mingle dad. So, and my, like, I have a handsome dad. His words, not mine. He loved to tell everyone how handsome he was. That's so funny. He dated a lot and it sucked.

Like, like lots of women didn't like me just because I was the child of my dad, you know? And I've heard that typically, like, not not and this is purely conjecture based on what other people have said they've said like they had their parents split and the boyfriend or boyfriends that their mom might have kind of were like uncomfortable but not overly like resentful or difficult but the girlfriends that the dad would have were way more hostile there's something like weirdly primal like where it goes back to like a you know animal instinct of like because a lot of the women my dad dated had kids and so they'd be like no my kid is important your kid send her forthwith to boarding school and and that wasn't always the case there were some nice ladies in there too he's a handsome guy um his words and his my dad's

wife now she's great i love her uh better than my dad sometimes i feel like if if like if i were a dad and my girlfriend hated my kids that would be that would be the nope yeah one might think yeah um my mom dumped a guy because one time he referred to me as little lord fondler it's just like oh little lord fondler gets whatever he wants doesn't he and i was like we're not together anymore she's like piss off i don't know shoot this now i have so many thoughts i mean maybe you do you do too jordan i got a lot of thoughts yeah like if you're dating someone with a kid what is right and wrong when dealing with that relationship because i think so many um of my dad's girlfriends they were like okay all of your times for me none of you know you can't like they they really

you know and my dad too like but he's definitely responsible in this but anyway so i have a lot of thoughts about like what's too handsome i think that's an issue for sure how many fault it is and i'll just say it's tiring how handsome my dad is it's exhausting no but so when it comes to holidays um i had i had some really good holidays uh with my family when I was really, really young. And then when I was about nine, 10, it got bad. And I was about to ask your parents to look at, of course they were, because that was later. Yes.

Five years and then they split. And then there were a lot of holidays where I was alone, you know, and especially because I was the youngest. So my older sister was like, you know, living her own life, had a boyfriend or whatever. And so there were there was many, many years where I hated Christmas. And I I don't I think I was probably with you often in san francisco jarvis where i like i didn't go anywhere for christmas i just stayed stayed home yeah i was like the one guy holding it down in my apartment around christmas time i always would cat sit for people because i'm like i'm not going anywhere i'll watch your pets but um and it wasn't until recently that i

kind of started making my own traditions. And for like I Thanksgiving was like a non holiday for me for a long time. And now I love Thanksgiving because it's like friends. I me and all my friends get together. We make food together. It's so fun. And for Christmas, like I have my own new traditions with my sister. And that's great. And so it's like,

it took me a long time to get there though. Like making my own, making the holidays, like what I wanted them to be. Sure. Which does, I guess. That's how you like reclaim it.

The appeal of a tradition. A lot of the time I feel like, or even just traditional things, air quotes traditional, right? There's nothing, no real tradition, but traditional things is that they're presets time I feel like, or even just traditional things, traditional, right? There's nothing, no real tradition, but traditional things is that they're presets.

It's like, how do I live a good December 25th? Well, I'll do the thing that every person told me is the thing you do. I have a nice little design going and I'm like, well, how do I feel comfortable about my relationships and my future? Well, I look at my nice traditional family and the way normal things go. And I think about what happens in TV and ross married rachel that's what i did you know i'm like following the data and then you know i know a lot of didn't grow up with many but like i think after moving to the u.s met more uh people who like put a lot of stock and trade in like family

not just aesthetically not just to keep up appearances but like as their actual like mission and priority a lot of these people with kids or kid um they put a lot of stock and trade in family as the entity that everything else is rotating around i did think the other day i this was always like impossible to me because i'm i'm i'm young in my own brain or whatever or i'm not ready for anything in my own brain but would you date somebody with a kid now huh would you date somebody with a kid now oh um my media density was like no way i mean it just hasn't come up guess it's like, it's like not a preference that I have. Yeah, I think, you know, but I just, I don't know if that's wise for them to do.

It's not a deal breaker, I guess. I think I would want to do the best. The same reason I'm not ready for kids right now is that I don't think I'm at my best to be a dad. And not that anyone's ever perfect, but I've got a good amount that I could do yet. Just learn to sleep and things like that. Like really basic things. Clearly because you eventually have to teach a kid to sleep. Yeah.

Shut the hell up. You need sleep training before you can sleep train. I need a piece, dumbass. Yeah. Party training is another thing you need. I'm relaxed, dude.

I just, I was tired. Okay. I was doing a workout today whatever you're sitting on the toilet um i got tased at police academy i just don't like uh i don't know doesn't that feel like what else is in that range of like it feels very adult right it feels very adult it kind of i can't think of anything else that's closer to that because everything else what else is tread like my having a mortgage my parents and and my sisters at this point um

all had kids very young and so like my mom the kids are really young that too yeah my parents or my mom got pregnant for the first time when she was 19. Wow. And so I had her when she was 20. And I was thinking about me a few years ago having a kid already and being like, no, what? I'm sorry. I'm five years older than my dad when he had a kid. I thought you meant right now. I'm five years older than my dad. Is that physically possible?

I don't understand what a dad is. I'm just like, I'm five years older than my dad. I guess it's possible if you adopt. My mom had three kids at 21. It's so crazy to think about. Like, when I was 21, I was an idiot. Like, there's no way. I mean, my mom was too.

Jesus Christ. I love her to death. She can hear you. Is she handsome or she's like busted? She's like so cute. I love my little mummy. But no, I've thought about it too, dating someone with a kid. And I just, it feels so delicate to me.

Like I would want to be so responsible about it. And I don't know. Yeah, the kid deserves the best. That's the thing, yeah the thing yeah yeah i wonder if i could because like for a long time now i've i've resigned myself to like i don't want kids and if i ever did want kids i would probably adopt um but like i so i don't know if i would be able to get past that but you also if i like really liked the person i don't know if i'd be able to have that be a deal breaker. You look like you'd be good at like leading a pack of Cockney pickpockets. I'm very good.

Oh, peeps. Me, me, me. In the RPG version of this, every other pickpocket is called child pickpocket. You're the one that has a name. You have a wiki page. And everyone else is just a background actor. I're the one that has a name you have a wiki page there are 20 of those but only using three different character models they're just repeated whereas you get one that's clearly you got a special ear yeah we both keep in touch

sometimes with people we went to college with in your case a little more actively still in the same country in part but also uh you and russell stayed close obviously yeah yeah and then we worked with a bunch of people that you knew in college so that was part of that but like i don't know if you feel the same about this right we both have a decent amount of animosity to where we're from i think just out of resentment right because it just we associate it with like some stuff also it's easy because it's florida so everybody kind of get that's actually very fun because i don't i don't think i care that much uh but because everyone has a thing about florida i get to just be like can you believe it had to get out of there like i don't know nothing i'm on the same page like the reasons i had to get out of there were so different than like what you know florida man nonsense or whatever but then you but you can't

just go like the gators it's too hot it's too hot oh my god that's crazy remember don't tase me bro but um do you remember don't tase me bro yeah dude that happened at in my hometown in your home that happened at the university of florida congratulations yeah dude it was i was a part of history and then you left i know you didn't no patriotism after an event like that um but yeah we have a little you know resentment everybody does but i feel like mine is like i feel bad about this as soon as i went to college i cut off kind of this gloucestershire extended universe because if i felt like staying in contact with that version of myself would mean i can't grow past it those things i just i just really fucking hated about myself in that era and not in like the like this thing about the way i look at that

thing that was that happens at any age right everybody has insecurities that you take with you but i felt like that was just like i don't know a cynicism a meanness uh insincerity and so and so that i had especially when i was a little younger for reasons i think i've talked about on the show like playing a character everyone around me is white or maybe what do you think's funny i'll do whatever huh maintaining stuff from an era where not just negative associations about life, but specifically a version of yourself you don't want to associate with anymore. I think like me not staying in touch with a lot of my family is not the things they did.

It's the thing I was when I was around them. And I kind of want to, I mean, it's easier for me because I'm like literally, it's like a different country. Like I'm as cut off as you can physically be. No one says like, hey, you should come to Christmas because it's a 13 hour flight yeah thousand dollars or whatever but i don't there's one i have one friend that i stay in touch with in the uk and i try and be very adamant about that my apology for this episode is that i've been very bad and i've not been i've been a bit too much of a pit, but I'm going to message him today. Outside of that, I don't know.

I feel like, you know, when we talk about this stuff with family, it's not like the family we dislike. It's the things that it's the sometimes it's things they've done, sometimes things that did happen. But then often it's just like it's like when you walk past a bakery and you smell something that reminds you of like 20 years ago yeah it's like it's weird because um kind of circling back uh or kind of completing the loop of like for the the people for whom their like kind of childhood environment is still intact in terms of family situation maybe house like the concept of someone

going back home and then going to their childhood room but i also do i've talked to enough people who've had that experience where it's like i think that that is a feeling that they get like where it's like, Oh, it takes me back to like this, this place. And it's quite literally, it's a very physical,

it's like every cent, all senses, you know, activate. I sometimes street view the house I grew up in. Cause it like, uh, looks really different.

How is it like way more recent? The pics of it versus when you were there. Oh yeah. Cause the street view cameras come, came around and like, I think they come around every few years. how is it like way more recent the pics of it versus when you were there oh yeah because the street view cameras come came around and like i think they come around every few years so it's like um or i think they're always going but they're like updating things generally in like a rolling like so some number of year cycle and there's like little pockets of like okay like this this driveway piece of concrete is still here like okay house is mostly in the same thing the tree that's there isn't there anymore like that like

that it's very interesting it's like finding a roman coin yeah i sometimes have dreams where i'm inside of my childhood home but it's different, I, not that I'm placing any meaning on that, but it does remind me of the, like one, I think I went back to my childhood house one time in like maybe as a teenager before I left Florida. But my, um, one of my aunt's co-workers was staying there and i never knew who owned the house if like like what i don't know how anything worked or happened yeah but uh that is the that's the big thing genuinely you go back it's almost like learning you've learned to speak fluent french while you're away and you like go to first everyone was saying this stuff. I didn't understand. But you know, like the, um, I wish I, I wish I had more memories of this,

but I think there's like famous people who sometimes will like go to their childhood home, but someone else lives there now. And then they'll be like, I remember the stoop or whatever. And I had like that experience as a teenager when I just had to like go over to drop something off and they like invited me in. And it had like that experience as a teenager when I just had to like go over to drop something off and they like invited me in. And it was like I was like seeing the skeleton of a place that like I had spent my entire childhood. But it was like all everything was different. Yeah.

Because it's like someone else like living in it. And I do want to again, obviously I'm being very uncharitable to people. And that's why I'm being very uncharitable to people that tread fabrics or whatever and that's why i'm being charitable i'm the angel but i do think there's in the same respect as parents getting divorced even if you know like intellectually that's not super maybe not super big deal maybe they're going on the points their lives will make them happier and you know you don't want to hold them back in the same way you can know that but it's still shaking your foundations a little bit just like you can know the spider can't hurt you but seeing it makes you wince i can see that being the same with someone's bedroom

where it's almost like almost like a photo album or something it's like this is my history if i if my bedroom changes then that's like that's the uh concrete foundation of my life that's the first part i was we moved so much that didn't happen for me but there is like a uh again a big trouble because another bad instinct i have is like let them make your room like like a little theater or something don't part of their fucking house but even that is like another experience that i haven't gone through but i can imagine would be at least like a few it's like it seems like foundational all the same brain chemicals that are happening in my brain are happening in someone else's brain so like they're gonna have a reaction to that and it probably

feels fucking strange to have your like childhood room turned into a study yeah the concrete foundation is getting shaken by like especially something very adult like all the whimsy or whatever is taken out of it because now it's something practical now it's like a storage unit in the house or something yeah they've turned it into an upstairs garage somehow with a plane i don't know how this works yeah it's it's funny because it is a very practical thing like why would you keep a room intact but it feels like probably as a child that you're like that was supposed to be my time capsule it'd be like if your hometown disappeared yeah yeah yeah yeah you're like going back and you're like what happened it's like a natural disaster called uh we put a bookshelf in a computer desk in here

yeah we removed your race car yeah your race car we had that was his best yeah the yeah the removal of the race car bed is like a natural disaster um we did have some tiktoks of this pet psychic i want to watch like one or two of them before we move on to the most insane thing i've ever seen which is the true crime cruise uh but because we're we're short on time um and uh so unfortunately we just had too good of a sad boysy discussion so i hope people enjoy that but now we got to get to the internet yuck yucks so i did sorry i so i've not seen any of this stuff about the pet psychic. I can't help but notice that some of these captions just include the dog breed.

Does that you think have an impact on the. No, I think it has an impact. What were you going to say? I was going to say, unfortunately, I fear it's going to be one of those things where they're like, ooh, a pit bull. I'm sensing aggression. No, I bet it's more for clickability it's like oh i have a labrador i'm like what is my labrador thinking yeah it's like people searching for chihuahua this is lomas pet psychic who i believe is named after a smashing pumpkin song just kidding don't look them up recently don't look at billy corgan i tell my pet parents what

their fur baby by the way i personally as just a man jarvis johnson hate the phrase fur baby that's a tough one i don't like it uh but no i don't hate little miss pet psychic after all they're a pet psychic and they'll kill me with their brain if i'm rude they'll make my dog explode i start floating what if the What if they listen to the brain? They go like, they're saying, woof, woof, bark, bark. I want toy. Give me toy. Yum, yum.

Toy, food. Want to go on a walk. Want to eat orange. Want to eat orange. Oh, actually, we have a mutual friend that went to a pet psychic one time. Who's it? Emily? That's my guess.

No, Maggie. Oh, yes. And they called the pet psychic because they took their dog to the vet and the vet was like you need to put your dog down and she was like i don't well she was holding the dog in order to get an accurate reading you're gonna have to get the dog on the floor i'm going to a spit i'm going to a crystal ball wait wait wait so so before they made the decision to do that they wanted to figure out what was actually going wrong wrong with him because he couldn't move his back legs so they were like this seems weird

that they just don't actually know what's wrong and are immediately going to put him down oh these are the doctors are saying the doctors i thought the pet psychic said so no so then they called a psychic on the phone didn't even see in person and the psychic said oh no it wasn't his legs it was his head oh no he couldn't lift his head oh no and the psychic goes um your dog is telling me that he broke his back and sure enough that's what it was the vet didn't check i guess i could be a fucking vet dude if it's just that i have i've had some vet horror stories just with them saying outlandish shit we don't have time for that but was the dog it was is that a healable thing yeah so they they uh he the dog healed i mean he had he was a french bulldog so he had

problems they were gonna kill the fucking dog without checking he had like five well i think maybe it was one of those things where they were like well you could spend the five thousand dollars to do a full body x-ray or you could just trust us we think it's a neurological disease or whatever. Yeah flip a coin eh? I'll just give it a swing nah fuck it. I want to get PS5 Sorry I know the house always wins and we need an over under on that doc. What the fuck?

So then they spent $40 to talk to a pet psychic and then they were like okay yeah we need to spend the money for the x-ray. Did it on the phone? They did a better job than that. That is like a behind the back, eyes closed, like short shot. And the dog took Pierce to basketball and it deflated.

Take it, you know. So the dog is okay. The dog is actually dead now, but Jesus Christ, why? Just lie. Just say yeah. That was 10 years ago that was like 10 years ago and how long did the dog die

10 years ago he lived for like 7 more years okay that's pretty good and I hope his life was he had a great life he could speak he was so cute he connects with your mind okay let's see what she has to say about this Corgi Shepard rot mix.

Psychic readings. Hey. What's going on in that little head of his? Okay, so Yoshi actually, I know that he's a boy, but he actually has a boyfriend. But you knew that? You knew that? He loves boys we joke about that all the time

you told me you want a boyfriend I was like what a boyfriend what I didn't know he doesn't hug many dogs since I've had him but every single one that he's hugged has been a boy and it's only been hugged by the boys so he definitely swings that way the psychic just goes my gaydar is saying has been a boy and it's only been hung by the boys so he definitely swings that way the pet

psychic just goes my gaydar is saying every single dog that's what she says yeah can i you know thought just in your mind joking about a dog being gay is like peak normie comedy i think every normie dog owner makes that joke at some point here's something i can say if you're a uh tiktok pet psychic all you have to do is take a giant swing a hundred times and post the one time you're correct on tiktok and then you look like a fucking fortune teller they really elaborated like it was like she i mean hey she went a little braver and went for he has a boyfriend they didn't go it was a cold that was a cold read i'm getting unless we know to my. That was a cold read. I'm getting a J.

To my knowledge, it's a cold read, but they may have said something beforehand, like asked him questions beforehand. Or even just, yeah, we don't know what happened before this. I knew it was Yoshi. And Yoshi is dating Mario in the game. He really likes chicken, yes. You'd start with that one. Honestly, yeah, that's where you start.

That's like when you do the, so I'm sensing a name that starts with D. Is there like a D, a Dean? Dad? Dad. Dad. I'm hearing dad. You have a dad or you don't? You have a dad.

Or you don't have him. You don't like your dad. Well. No, I like him. I love him. I'm hearing he's telling me his back is broken and he should be put down. He is alive. It's okay.

Sorry, is that hitting anything for you? No, that's absolutely true. We are actually, we have a gun to his head right now. Yeah, I'm getting an AK-47. So, okay, I'm sensing that you two generally are skeptics. No, I'm just an authentic psychic. I can see a fakie a mile away. Oh, okay, okay.

Because I myself, hold on, I'm doing a read. I'm getting an A, Anastasia. Anastasia. Wait, this is good. Her father is handsome, sexy dad. Sexy dad. It's one of those things that's so harmless. Anastasia. This is good. Her father is handsome, sexy dad. Sexy dad. It's one of those things that's so harmless.

Well, with the exception of like the megachurch cold reading type stuff. Right. Like the psychics can get into, like when it's human psychics and it's like the celebrity psychics. Yes. Like that stuff gets really dark. This feels fairly harmless. This is closer to like, I don't know, like close up magic. Mostly harmless.

David Blaine's like a bad guy, but it's not because he does magic you know it's like oh this is kind of fun i mean it's literally like as close to any art you know again i don't say whether it's art or something but like you can watch or read something that evokes something in you and it doesn't like yeah i feel like uh that's like the david lynch thing a lot of the time is like no david lynch it doesn't matter because he never explicitly says what the thing is if you watch any interview with him he's not claiming something is something he's always just saying i put that in and the feeling you get from it for me is mourning i get a sense of mourning i made a movie about a monkey recently i'm weird i'm really fucking weird and i look the same age okay so this is rico he's up for, but he wants his name to be Todd. He's a little bit of a finance bro.

He's definitely looking for her Pergamos family. All right. Kind of situation. Hi, Pergamos. By the way, the captions are wilding here. They are completely off. It's basically marrying up up okay uh like a sugar family gold gold dogger i don't so wait this is i think this is more like uh this is just

a bit of fun because none of these things can be confirmed. What are the consequences of renaming the dog Todd? And I also, you know, look, I'm probably going to adopt the dog whether or not they're an econ guy. Yeah. Yes, calling the- Because he can't do anything about it. By the way, calling the dog a finance bro is mean.

That's weird. Yeah. You put the stocks in front of him and he chooses them. That would make it less likely to want to adopt the dog. That's what I'm saying. They should do this and then do that thing where they put them in front of all those buttons and it goes. That would make it less likely to want to... That's what I'm saying. They should do this and then do that thing where they put them in front of all those buttons and it goes like, me, go, park.

Yeah, but it's like... What is so... Sell. Dell, going down. Buy, buy, buy. He is very proud of his background. I believe he grew up speaking some Spanish as well as some dog.

That's bilingual. Pretty cool. Oh, my God. That's okay. This person is just riffing, which is hilarious. Do you guys think there are different languages within the dog world? Like it's a dog that grew up in Russia versus one that grew up in... She could be answered before you finish.

Absolutely not. That's a ridiculous question. I agree with Jacob, but maybe for different reasons because... Let's just say we all think you're an idiot, but for different... I think that animal language isn't the same as human language.

There's cultural communication within animal groups. I do think there may be regional dialects. Thank you, Jacob. It's like how the Romance languages have masculine words. Some are boys, some are cats. For example, Dipper loves playing with other pit bull mixes, but it's because they like playing tug-of-war. They have similarities in their cultural breed or whatever. Everyone knows all pit bulls like playing tug of war. They have similarities in like their cultural breed or whatever.

Everyone knows all pit bulls like playing tug of war. I mean, there is a correlation. But it's like when you go to the dog park, like a lot of breeds end up with each other. It's like jail. It's like prison. I don't think so. I don't think that's a thing. You don't have to.

It's not prison rules. For my own sake, for your well-being, though, also, I'm not going to ask you to explain what you mean by that. No, woof, woof. Okay, let's see. My favorite food is,

he likes to eat, is it called lengua? I wanted to say chicken so bad. Yeah. Let's see what else. So this isn't useful because if the person can't verify any of the things they're saying, they're now just riffing random fake facts about a dog. Plus it just feels like she's like, oh yeah, he was previously owned by a Latina family and likes lengua and speaks some spanish it kind of feels like because

again this is like ultimately harmless right but it just it feels like it's drifting into slightly dangerous territory when it's just even bringing up ethnicity and culture like maybe don't get into that to play devil's advocate once again uh maybe by speak Spanish, they meant like response to commands in Spanish. Because that's like a different, that's a thing. Speaking a little bit of Spanish. Bark, bark, bark out. El bark. Let's move on.

And he is, on a personal note, he says he is single and he is looking for a girlfriend, but nothing too serious. Like he'll probably just be with her for a couple months and then be ready to settle down with someone else I feel like when all else fails go to the map a human relationship dynamic onto the dog that was fun

cute it's almost like the anthropomorphizing something in any way is always kind of cute but specifically a lot of that was financial. Okay. So the other thing that we wanted to talk about today. Oh, yeah. I want to talk about January 6th.

No. Okay. So we, Anastasia was like, I heard about this thing, but it might not be good for the show and described it. And I was like, we absolutely have to talk about this. What are you talking about? What do you think this show is? What do you think this show is? I can't believe it.

I can't believe it. I was going to say, I was like, what level of capitalism is this? But we live in a world where i thought about it yesterday um the red light green light set from squid game has been made four times three to four times independently because squid game did it and then mr beast did it for real life squid game and then the squid game game show did it the netflix was a game show and then uh uh possibly squid game season two and if they use the same set or not and crab game on steam crab game on steam i saw wait did you send me that tweet that said um it really seems like everyone including netflix

missed the point of squid game I mean at a certain point it's sort of like you know from a creative point of view it's like alright well I got to make the show I still get to make it

even if people are like not getting it I mean I'm I'm actually in the season 2 of Squid Game goes in some directions I wasn't expecting it to and so

it definitely doesn't feel like a rehash which I like I thought it was going to feel like that but then it kind of zigged and zagged. So I'm like, but the thing is, the third season, which is going to be the maybe question mark final season, is going to come out like in maybe six months to a year from now. And I think that will be the completion of the story.

I'm on the finale, but I haven't fully watched it. But there's some stuff going on. But anyway, I'm just glad the creator's getting paid because they didn't really get paid for the first season. Like, they didn't get, like, life-changing money. They, like, sold the show off. They had to participate in a series of children's games to get paid by Netflix.

Yeah, it's like they were working on the show for, like, 10 years. So I was like, good for you. Do you think the finale will yet again end with an incomprehensible game between two guys that just kill each other um i do think that if if you're korean it's not incomprehensible it's just it's the fault of the show i mean oh yeah explaining what's going on they don't but i think that's good because they like don't they're like we i don't have to explain my culture to you because that does happen in the um i catch me googling these games they're playing because i'm like what does like there's there's specifically one game where i was like this looks cool as hell what is happening okay so there is a cruise coming up from organized by Wondery, which is a podcast network that's owned by Amazon.

And Wondery has a lot of true crime podcasts. And so they're doing a true crime cruise called Exhibit C Cruise. Okay. I didn't know it was called. Okay. This is great. I'm glad we didn't. Like, you kind of gave us the broad strokes.

I'm glad I didn't know what it was called Okay, this is great. I'm glad we didn't. Like, you kind of gave us the broad strokes. I'm glad I didn't know what it was called. That's fucking stupid. That's cool. They're like, no, get it, because it's like a crime scene investigation. Yeah, so this kid got shot. Like, we're at sea? Yeah. Go home.

Wait, does the cruise, is that supposed to be blood? No. So that's a crazy part of it. So it's this ship. This is a very luxurious Norwegian cruise ship, but it's so festively decorated, it feels inappropriate for true crime. It is like that meme, which is the big stuff. This ship is called the Norwegian Joy. This is a place where Dexter

would kill a bunch of people. Yeah, the Bay Harbor butcher would get the work in, dude. I've been getting so many YouTube shorts of Dexter. And hey, man, I did watch the show Dexter 10 years ago or whatever. The show does not translate especially well to short portions

because it's just a man murdering someone. And then the clip will be like, Dexter's such a hero. I think they're doing a new season or something. Young Dexter.

Yes, because they did New Blood, which was the one season reboot. But like Michael C. Hall is in it. In maybe Flash Forwards or something? Maybe. Because I knew that

he was coming back. Because he's played by an Irishman. Oh. Well, damn it. Okay, so True Crime Podcast Network sponsors a true crime cruise, which is just like, there's already commentary to be made about cruises,

just in general. Well, as you know, Both Jarvis and I have watched true crime yeah we've done crime we've done crime we've watched true crime content and um and it's so funny because one thing that comes up again and again is like how unsafe cruises are. And this cruise is going to, it's sailing from Miami to Nassau, Bahama. There is a recent missing person case in Nassau, Bahamas. I just don't, okay.

It's a year away, take a little turn. I think there are ways to, I'm not of the opinion that like all true crime is bad. I do think there's too much of it at this point. The crime's not bad. And so as a result, I think all crime is the truth. It's the true way to be. Take this shit down from the inside.

So no, but I do think that true crime content has jumped the shark a little bit. And I don't really can it's like fun to consume in certain contexts uh but i i'll say that like the main true content true crime content i watch now is like rotten mango so shout out to stephanie sue and co for that because i do feel like i can while the crimes are horrible it does feel like there is a degree of centering on victims and and not like kind of lionizing like serial killers and shit like that yeah and and uh or or the the criminals and uh it's not a video that's like listen to the criminal mind of the bad guy who did a bunch of crimes. And here comes the big dick cop, the best cop ever.

The big dick bandit. Coolest fucking guy. I wish I was in the police too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right now the police is doing lying no jutsu where the perp cannot lie. The perpetrator has been tricked by not being read the Miranda rights.

That's the best for you shit, actually. I do. I've watched a lot of hasan watching true crime which is usually my favorite way to do it because it's like has someone who uh is saying the things that i'm thinking as it's happening it's like straining lemonade i want to get all the pulp out yeah uh i just want to call out that the landing page says the ultimate true crime vacation oh what the fuck does that mean i don't know about you brother i'm the other ones suck i do want to say this isn't the first

ever true crime cruise there have been others um there uh was there's a company called Crime Con. That was a crime. They put out this. This is their 2024. They've had ones before 2024. But I thought this video was really funny because of the music and just how fun it looks. Oh, my God. On the sidebar, Disney's animatronics, a living history by Defunctland. Incredible video.

I recommend everybody watch it. I'm sorry. One of their taglines being hot sun cold cases and that's like the driving point. People died man. Well yeah, specifically cold cases mean they died and it was never resolved. It was never resolved. And also is one of your attracting features

the hot sun. Yeah. I can get that here too. Hot sun. So Paul holes. Paul holes bro holes what the fuck is going on i don't know who matt murphy or the other guesses that's right paul holes is the investigator that solved the freaking golden state killer cold case oh my god they used like a genealogy to find him, basically, because now enough of his relatives were on genealogy stuff that they could trace the family tree and have a suspect. Oh, like theancestry.com? Yeah, basically.

And he left so much DNA at the crime scenes. Did it just take place at a point where forensics wasn't reliable enough? Yeah. It was like the seventies. Yeah. Seventies. And so, and so then they like got a pizza box or some shit from his trash and like

was able to like match. They already suspected him, but they just needed the DNA to confirm. But there's a lot of like ethical questions about using it. What is it called? Like forensic genealogy or something like that. And because it kind of from a consent standpoint, you're like using a lot of people's DNA who may have not consented to being a part of this like search and stuff like that. But I guess in that case, certainly net result positive.

But like, I don't. This is the guy that solved it, is it? This is the guy that solved that. But I guess in that case, certainly net result positive. Sure. This is the guy that solved it, is it? This is the guy that solved that case. I think net positive definitely. It is one of those things where I'm like, the guy was like 85. And so I'm like, it's like a moral victory. Yeah. Would have been nice if you caught him like before the murders.

Yes. Before you became a serial killer i think true crime especially is like uh uh like the velocity of true crime content that we we get even if we're not like into it the existence of it is so prevalent now that i it's kind of nullified it in my brain it's kind of made it a little vanilla and like yeah true crime whatever then every now and then you're a little refresher on like oh but it Like, someone did eat that baby. Like, it's just something like really. And now I'm talking about the golden state. You're thinking of Saturn devouring his son.

And the Paul Holes' case against him. Paul Holes actually saw the painting. I think he's in that picture. Was able to trace the DNA. Took a piece of his hair out of the painting. Oh, my God. Went to space. Hold it to the sky.

Freeze. And they're like, yeah like yeah no the climate here is not very warm but the warm sun cold Saturn big ring big ring

is that true Sarah yeah or Saturn Saturn has a ring Saturn has a ring hey man yeah you're great you're so smart

oh five head but there is now I'm talking about like the you're devouring king. The golden gate killer just kind of reminding me like how grim it is. Yeah, it is very grim. Oh.

It is making me go like, this man is smiling on a boat. And he is the guy that was related to that. It is like the intro to like Law and Order, except for all the people are real. And so the lack of care to the victim the fact all these people are dead is like yeah is is like very are we not seeing ourselves right the thing is like i don't i i feel so conflicted my tie in hand and paul's like i don't blame Paul holes because I'm actually glad he's retired and is now educating other people.

Like he does. He makes the rounds a lot and he still works to try and solve. I found a few spots. I found a few holes. Actually, there's a few holes

in his story, in his story. All right. Well, stop crying. But anyways, I like part of me is like me is like, you know what? Am I a hypocrite?

Because I read true crime books and stuff. Yes. A thousand percent. But I would never go to something like this. This is absurd. I do think that there's like, I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with like learning about these stories because there is a i don't think it's in maybe it's not innate but i do think that there is a storied human fascination with things like that there's also the like could

this happen to me what are the circumstances as a lady i do think it quells my anxiety a little bit yeah i think there's a reason like i'm educating myself i think there's definitely a reason like the demographics go down a certain line in that like it is there's a comfort to it at least in the way that uh it's been explained to me is there is a comfort to it if it's a threat you genuinely consider right that's like cathartic that is like unrelatable like i i a lot of it i'll like turn off if it's too severe because but when say you are a girl i'm completely joking i'm not at all i don't think there is anything inherently unethical about consuming true crime content and i don't think there's anything inherently unethical about referencing enjoying it maybe even joking about you know tragedies losses things like that it's all contextual this is just demonic yeah and i can't even really think of the

right way to articulate it and you could argue for it this is the real life squid game of true crime it's just weird and for like all these people to be i don't know like to take it from concept to reality this isn't like so many meetings an enormous undertaking so capitalistic where it's like let's make as much money as possible on something that is a tragedy. about people dying and a community formed around consuming content around the stories of people dying which i just think i don't think that there's i doubt that there's a tasteful way to do a true crime cruise slash true crime vacation but i don't but i do consume true crime content i think implicitly a cruise is always going to be, the reason a Disney cruise, I guess, kind of makes sense

is that it's whimsy plus vacation. Like the brand is already adjacent. But the, there's just something like, what? I'm going to take a break from drinking my cocktail from a coconut to go to the conference with John Hulls? With Billy Penis or whatever his name is? No, I'm going to take my bread bowl in with me you you pop open you you pop a john hole in your coconut so you can put a straw in there then

you slide on over to ball holes look paul you have a bad attention span because you're gen z and so on your phone you're watching the movie Holes starring Shia LaBeouf, which Gen Z is obsessed with right now. They love that shit, dude. They can't get enough. Dig it out, out, out. Jacob, can you click on the menu and- Yum, yum, yum. Just offering reference to it.

I was at one point several years ago, and I probably can't say the name of the show, but I was in loop on an email thread about brand assets for a true crime show and there is i remember a very specific moment where it was like three reviews in and it was all stuff like should we put the ticket tape here should we put a photo of the guy who did it and i remember just stopping like like reading emails and going like fuck this is so like grim that this is a conversation that's happening is like should we put the mugshot of the murderer that like killed all those people on the logo or not for the show so we can like i know it's it's all of the square space type of thinking they're all that kind of premeditation that like makes it feel weird to me yeah it's like um i think but it's the it's also in the tone and the way that something is carried out.

Because if serial was like, damn, that's crazy. Now on to our sponsorship today, John's Lock Companies. John's Locks. You need a John Lock on your thing so that the serial killers don't get you. You know what I mean? That's like, I don't know. Am I making sense? Where it's just like, this feels like it's in the Parks and Rec area of like, we're goofing right now.

Yeah, like self-aware parody. But it's an un-self-aware thing. Do you want to hear about some of the activities you can do on the cruise? I absolutely do. Yeah, we'll surprise the the tickets by the way? Oh, also, can we point out on like the main page when you scroll down the,

the picture above the activities tab is just a pair of rubber gloves. Oh yeah. And I think that's, you're going to solve the case right there on this open seas. The two images, Solve the case right there on this open seas. What's below that? The two images. It's a cassette player with the killer's intentions and the lives he took. And a big leaf.

Yeah, no, it's like a Monstera leaf or whatever. The podcast thing is like, okay, this is like the tape recorders that you use if you're like going and recording like someone's statement or something. And then the panels, you've got a case file. file and the presentations you've got fingerprints an enormous it's like if this was about like an escape if this was an escape room yeah it sounds like more fun a cruise where it's like a bit there's a bunch of big that sounds logistically impossible but that like feels like the tone wouldn't be off because it's like this really is how it works it's like you've created clip art out of like yeah this now this is uh the knife

that the killer used he's a transparent png of john holmes what's his name john holmes john holmes sherlock holmes john or no paul holes peter sph Penis so you can go to panels and presentations from true crime experts you can watch what's a true crime expert? I think it's like Paul Holes, like someone who actually investigates crime a true crime expert makes it sound like you're good at crime

like a crime expert like the Joker there's a certain type of I thought this way about the like uh the dep herd trial where it like grows into such a large public spectacle that the content around it starts to feel insincere and more about the fact that there's all these eyeballs on this and so we can capitalize on it rather than like the care of like listening to a victim statement or something like that and so now i'm like imagining if this was like about the oj trial or something like that's what it feels like about the oj trial and

then there's just one guy in the audience in a ducky rubber ring around his thighs yeah well it's pretty heavy stuff yeah yeah it's like an oj trial cruise and it's pretty heavy stuff. Yeah, yeah. It's like an OJ trial cruise, and it's like, try on the glove. That's what it feels like. You must have quit. No, I did. I've killed a woman, though. You can watch podcast recordings. You can do immersive activities.

But the immersive activities, I think, is like live theater. Wait, can we click it? Share theories. Can I start theorizing on how these shit moves? No, it just says you'll be checking your own alibi. Self-defense moves that would deter any would-be criminal. And if you want to, okay, that feels like. Like a murder mystery immersive theater thing is I think what this is.

Immersive activities. That feels like, okay, it was brought up in a meeting. We're definitely putting that on the website. It's okay. The event's a year away. We'll figure that out in between. The part that's weird to me is self-defense classes. Self-defense classes. Self-defense classes?

Oh, wait. That's the murder mystery experience. Yeah, so... So maybe they actually do like teach you like how to fingerprint or something. This is like...

This self-defense class is reminding me of that like Chicago self-defense guy. Oh, he's like... All right, when someone puts a gun to you, you just do like that and then the gun's on them.

Using Aikido, you'll be... No, give it here. You're like... And then right, when someone puts a gun to you, you just do like that, and then the gun's on them. Using Aikido, you'll be just immediately take the gun. No, give it here. You're like, and then pop, pop, pop. You get shot. If you're able to use your index finger and your lips to bring the knife away and then spit it back at them, cutting their head off. Like that, this is, what is this?

You're on a cruise doing murder defense? You'll have to bring your own alibi. What do you think the likelihood is that somebody on this cruise has killed someone? But that's the thing is like there are so many murders

on cruise ships. That's what I've been thinking. I'm like, I would be terrified if I were obsessed with true crime and I love it

and I was like, this sounds perfect for me. I would be terrified to go, if I truly am obsessed with true crime, I'd be like, this seems like

the prime spot for somebody to commit a crime yeah this is a part of the murder mystery immersion maybe they're trying to find out where did jessica go and it's like i think that's a clue now everyone into downward dark yeah now now punch hook hook what about uh oh maybe they're Now, punch. Hook. Hook. What about, oh, maybe they're trying to solve the original cruise crime. Was it the iceberg? Or did a little guy get it there? There's two packages. One is $1,335 called the Silver Sleuths Package.

Does not include alcohol, pressed juices. That's like it's the Patreon tiers for the True Crime Podcast. You know what I mean? It's like the bronze detective. The little investigator. Yeah, junior cop. For $3,235, you could be a diamond detective. This is literally an escape room. Just make an escape room cruise.

Just make an escape room, dude. Just make a murder mystery cruise. Basic beverages, including water, non-pressed juices, teas, and drip coffee. Wait, what? Who was it? Like, non-pressed juices definitely got copy and pasted in there. Or is it like pressed juice? That should just be a ding you take, you know?

Give them the pressed juice, too. Just do it, because then now we're imagining it. They're going to have to charge $5 billion for a ticket for a press deuce. Yeah, if you want to be a platinum detective, you can. Exclusive commemorative credentials. You get a lanyard and a badge is what you get. You become the FBI. You get a vial of blood.

Dude, so many people are going to be so annoying after this cruise. Officer, I'm a diamond detective. You can't put me over. Excuse me, citizen's arrest of you. Actually, I'm going to flash my badge real quick. You are aware that I'm a diamond detective. You can't put me over. Citizens arrest of you. Actually, I'm going to flash my badge real quick. You are aware that I'm a silver sleuth, yes? Exclusive experiences with onboard talent is the vaguest shit ever.

And then having an asterisk next to it makes it even more vague. And they never explain the asterisk. It's just a psych. Oh wait, there it is. Where is it? All meals? Oh wait, go down to diamond detect is it? No. All meals? Oh wait, go down to Diamond Detectives. Maybe it's down there.

They've overloaded the asterisk. Haven amenities. Access to the Haven Courtyard pool. Haven lounge bar. Oh, the boat. You're allowed to go on the boat. You get a butler service. Oh, non-pressed.

Oh, I guess you have to buy. So you can get a shared room, a suite, blah, blah, blah. There's different types of cabins on cruises. I've never been on one, so I might be wrong. I've never been on a cruise either. Can I sleep in the bit with the big wheel? Do they still have that? The big wheel? Are they still doing the wheel?

Yeah, I think so. Solid. Does it still have like the shape? Or is it just like a circle? Or does it have a little like a... Does it have a turret? It's now a video game. I love that one of the perks is priority access to the merch store.

You get to pay us money quicker. As much as you'd like. Exclusive commemorative gift. It's so vague. Dude, it's a keychain for sure. Keychain or a water bottle. The gift is only for the people that paid $3,300. Right, because if I'm paying $3,300, bro,

I better be getting a bunch. I have to see what the merch is. Rewondering subscription for 12 months for $3,300. Dude, I'm going to buy, the second this cruise is over, I'm going to go on eBay and buy secondhand the merch shit. It's going to be like getting a Fyre Fest water bottle. Worth every penny. Good news, you can bring your kids.

Oh, shit. Thank you, Jacob, for bringing us back to what really matters. A minor is defined. Okay. A minor. And you can go if you're between the ages of 18 to 21 if you are married. Sorry? Wait, I'm sorry?

18 to 21. Two people under the age of 21 may travel together if they're a married couple. What difference would that make for them? Yeah, why does that matter? There's tons of booze.

No, but they're both under 21. Is Blue's Cruise a true crime show? Blue's Cruise? Yeah, it show? Blue's Clues? Yeah, it is. He is the male that never fails and makes me want to whack my tail. Oh my God, someone died. From my tail.

Oh my God. Someone call Paul Holes. Hi, Blue. Listen, when I was young, I played an online Blue's Clues game where Sprinkles, the rainbow polka dot puppy, lost all of his spots and he had to go find them. So I would say I'm a pretty good detective. Actually, can you scroll up, Jacob?

That's the cruise that you find the spots on. With your little magnifying glass. I should get you a magnifying glass. You would look so funny sleuthing. Can you give me a magnifying glass and like the Sherlock Holmes hat? Both comedically oversized. Yeah. like a little a little child I'm gonna show the clue myself we do a lot of post-processing to your voice but that is what you mainly sound like it's time to go to school are we it doesn't sound like my voice is post-processed right now I don't know if yeah it doesn't I feel a little I'm just you know getting a little

lost lost in the sauce over here we got a really tight noise gate yeah that's kind of my voice is on an internal noise gate right now my vocal chords are noise gated you should be the bass in the four part acapella group that we're forming on the cruise

okay wait so I'm just gonna read some of these I wanna read some of these i'm gonna i want to read some of these like title cards these headlines because it just it does it i maybe i'm wrong it just feels off to me sailing in style okay i again it's this is the murder con oh yeah forgot and then true crime meets island adventure why who decided to put those things why and what wow meeting is not like when things when things are just next to each other i don't think feel like that's a fusion right if i go to like a fusion restaurant and they just give me water but it's from italy and then serve me like chinese

food well this um this is just two things together macaroni and macaroni and cheese and meets ramen okay cool i'm glad they've met. I've traveled the world. They should hang out. Well, imagine you like dock at one of the locations you're going to and you meet someone. They're like, oh, what are you in town for? What are you traveling for?

And they're like, oh, I'm on the true crime cruise. I'm on the murder cruise. They're like, what are you talking about? I'm following a hunch. This is so fun. Wait, go back up, Jacob. I'm on the SS evidence. Keep your investigative spirit alive while exploring the town's rich history, charming shops, and delicious cuisine.

What does that have to do with investigative spirit? I don't know, but I hope to God people aren't looking up local crimes and trying to solve them when they're there. Oh, my God. What is the, is it like, I mean, i'm not like a big uh i'm like a good person so you so i don't like listen to a lot of true crime i actually solve crimes instead that's what i'm using my time for like a regular crimes i'm a regular paul over here i'm i'm you're you're jordan holes jesus uh but i love the time i i my understanding of the true crime audience is not typically that like they are they're into the solving element.

It's, like, the narrative element. I know there is, like, a Reddit type that's, like, we're getting all the information and doing it. There is a Reddit solving cases type. Referring to, like, you listen to true crime, so you love to solve puzzles. Yeah, I love to have it on the background. Oh, my God. Emo's Not Dead Cruise? This is the company that's putting it on. But that's okay.'s not dead cruise this is the company that's bringing

it on but that's okay for that salty dog that's crazy the emo's not dead cruise that's like it's like wine mom meets like emo graphic design like who's who's like who go what i imagine it is a person who loved emo when they were young and is now older and enjoys a cruise? Oh, here we go. Creed, Summer of 99 and Beyond. Fuck yeah, dude. Now I'm in. I guess these all work kind of the same way, honestly, right? It's like 80% the same cruise and then they put up, they hang like a pirate. By the way, all of these look

ai generated yeah like i feel like i'm looking at like a mock-up of a squarespace template yeah dude look at that the one dead in the middle with the bear that's just like yeah i don't know yeah keeping the blues alive at sea alaska picture is sad oh to die. Yeah, yeah. It's about global warming. Yeah, but the bear's a murderer. This one's crazy. Go for it. Lamb of God presents Headbanger's Boat. This feels like a parody. This is kind of giving, like, the company that did the Wonka.

Yes. That is exactly right. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Rock the Bell's Cruise, a hip-hop experience. Finally, something for us. Click into that. Do you want to wild out with all of your homies? Let's run it back for round three, Rock the Bell's family.

Join us for the third Rock the Bell's Cruise, a hip-hop experience. Returning October 27th, this floating festival, unlike any other, brings four performances of hip-hop experience returning october 27th floating this floating festival unlike any other brings four performances of hip-hop legends okay so this is a concert it's isn't it weird that they don't really tell you who's gonna be there until you purchase it well i'm just i'm just there for the concept of a hip-hop experience on the water i feel like like Bruno would be there. Yeah, he would be. It's Halloween. I do think from what I've heard that you don't get the whole cruise ship just for your thing.

It's usually split in half. They're like running, oh, that would be so funny if they're running the Lamb of God headbangers and the True Crime one or the Hip Hop Cruise. They're not supposed to meet. The True Crime during the Christmas one. The Sponge oh, they're not supposed to meet. The true crime during like the Christmas one. The SpongeBob, you're going to like go listen to the SpongeBob voice actors and you turn up and John Hall's like, so I found the first woman's head inside a toilet.

Oh my God. Tom Kenny? We've got the bow. I mean, at the end of the day, it's on a bucket boat. At the end of the day, that's going to be most of the light theming is so that you're guaranteed to have something you're interested in while you're on the cruise. It's cruise first, right? It is 100% cruise first.

I remember, who is it? Yeah, the Rafa Bell's Cruise, same location, Miami, Florida to Nassau, Bahamas. I've heard of like the handful of like podcast and comedy themed cruises, right? And my initial instinct is like, well, that's weird. Why would you want to go on something like that? Why would you want to be around? And in reality, it's more like a convention.

Yeah, it is a floating convention for sure. And I think cruises are a lot like floating hotels, right? Yeah. So it kind of makes sense. Just not my cup of tea. Is it? I don't want to be stuck in a floating hotel. What's the boat called? Well, it depends. The Norwegian joint. Is it cold? I don't want to be stuck in a floating hotel. What's the boat called?

Well, it depends. The Norwegian joint. Is it like a cruise ship? Cruise ship. Cruise ship. All right. Well, this has been our post-mortem. Okay.

On the true crime cruise. All right. So we're going to have to investigate more next week. And I'm going to die. Okay. From being killed, that is. All right. I'm doing, I'm like riffing on true crime like you.

No, but now you're dead. Okay. I hope you're not going to die. Well, that's this episode of Side Boys. I hope it's, I hope i don't kill someone that's you know so bad true crime like a pun don't do that don't like a pun that's not a pun actually it's more of a threat well i'm gonna it sounds like a crime pun it's a crime to not enjoy this episode shit that's way better damn it um. But the crimes don't stop here.

The case hasn't gone cold. Follow your hunch over to patreon.com slash sadboys. Where are we going to do Sad Boys Nights? A lot of crime happens at night, so we're going to do that over here. You could die over at the podcast bonus episode. You can listen to our special true crime podcast, Sevely's Night. Sevely's Investigations.

What are we doing over there? What are we doing today over there? Absolutely not. So they put fake fuzz for snow they're putting candles in their fridge ew why candles why is it coming out

of the bed's head yeah none of this is edible apples is that real apples apples A is for apple see but I don't trust

anything because maybe it's a candle oh that looks edible just having an image of someone opening it like I'm so fucking hungry can I get a LaCroix and you have to like go through a wardrobe?

Yeah, that's over on patreon.com slash sadboys. You can subscribe for as low as $5 a month, but we end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. Nice. Hell yeah, dude. We're actually starting a Sad Boys

cruise. Dude, it's chill cruise we don't go on it rock the feelings cruise we've got John sadness oh my god Go to rich for me.