Sad Boyz - Twitter Is A Deepfake Website Now

Episode Date: January 10, 2026

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And I go, do you want to play on your Wii U? We go and we play zombie you on the Wii U. And he drinks like so many Budwisers that it's like, like, to this day, a little genetically confusing to me. We would get like a 24 pack and he would have 19. I do. There is a certain type of guy archetype in America as well who can just pound those types of beers.

It's just like not, I don't, I'm sick of people pretending that's not so cool. It hurts my tummy. It's just so much stuff. It is just so much stuff. Water would be, if I saw someone crush like 18 bottles of water. Yeah, I would also be like, what's going on? You good? Okay, so where do we start?

6,700, that's how many sexually suggestive or nudifying images GROC is producing every hour, according to an analysis. X is now a top deep fake site. For those, this is a Bloomberg report. For people who aren't familiar, there has been a trend on Twitter of taking images of women and going, like, Grock undress her or Grock. I don't even know if it's a capability that it had before. or if it's new, but it's become such a common trend that he's leaning so hard against me. Put your arm around him. It's cute.

Oh, it's so cute. Oh, my God. This is all you want in the world. So big. So, yeah, it's become a huge trend, and it seems like instead of... This is what you can't be on the show, man. He's, like, not camera ready. instead of

I don't know nipping this type of thing in the bud I feel like X is leaning into it Yeah it's almost like they Are proud that this is what Grock has become I guess there's no disincentive for them It's like we have

We have like deep fake laws and stuff Because deep fake porn was a big thing Back in the like I mean in terms of generative AI Deep fake porn was like At the precipice of of that. Yeah, the Vanguard is always going to be a creature.

Very similarly, it's always porn. It's like, why did VHS beat Betamax, et cetera? Men have been asking Grock, the AI chatbot on Twitter, to take photos of women and girls and remove all or most of their clothing. Here is an example of a young woman who took pictures of herself going out on New Year's Eve, and this is what she came back to when she opened up the app, a bunch of men asking Grock to take off her clothes. Oh, isn't there replies?

Yeah, because you have to at Grog. And so they'll say like at Grock like yeah like change her outfit to Yeah, I I'm gonna x y or Z My brain defaulted to Grock as like the I was thinking of it in I guess any of these Functions I always think of as a chat as in the one-on-one chat equivalent I forgot that you could be like Grock ruin this conversation please the the thing about this is that I don't think Or you never know with Grock but out of the

box, Grock doesn't, is not supposed to do nudity. And so people get around it by being like, put this person, and I'm trying to avoid the words that they use because they're like disgusting, but it's like put this person in a translucent outfit or, you know, in a... Better of the law kind of thing. Yeah. It's disgusting. It is like I don't understand how it's allowed to contain... I mean, in this, in this world, I can't imagine. I can understand why it's allowed to continue, but it seems like there should be,

it should be covered under some of our deep fake legislation and or terms of service of platform stuff. It probably is, but there's just no government oversight at the moment, right? Yeah, exactly. It is interesting that like people are constantly talking about how, what a nanny state we live in and that you can't do anything and you can't say anything and that like rules and regulations are going to prohibit the technological progress or whatever. I'm like, when was the last time that happened? When was the last time any of these companies,

any person in a position of power, didn't just get to do whatever they wanted? What it usually is, is I use an antiquated term for Asian people on the Joe Rogan experience, and someone DM'd me and said, I shouldn't own this company or something. Yeah, yeah. That is, well, like, I went to the Riyadh comedy festival,

and then someone said, They paid me a million dollars. Then someone said that wasn't good, so I did a three hours. I had to drown my sorrows in the million dollars I got paid. Someone told me that I hate trans people just because I'm J.K. Rowling and I write that often. I don't like trans people. All right, let's continue.

As women have been trying to raise awareness about this and say, hey, this isn't right, I haven't consented to my photos being used in this way. A lot of men are in the comments saying, well, you posted this picture on the internet, so this is what's going to happen. or the terms of service mean that you give up the rights to this photo once you post it on this website. It's crazy to me how like the goalpost of, oh, you shouldn't have worn that is now I can make you wear anything I know. You shouldn't exist. You shouldn't have a physical form that I can get horny from. And if you don't, then I can ask an AI to make you attractive to specifically mine. It's like so invasive and so dehumanizing.

and violated. And there's a reason that it's also in the replies. That's like one of the things that like pretending to ignore is, well, hey, you put a photo of yourself online. I'm like, okay, but like

you just, you did it at me. This wasn't like a, yeah, guys have been printing out photos of me at home or so this is like, you, someone's, you know the classic like,

well, they shouldn't have been wearing that or refrain. Yeah. That, the idea of that, bullshit. But the idea of that is it's coming from like a third party that didn't, wasn't involved doing any wrong doing, but is trying to minimize the thing that happened. Yeah. They are the person doing it and a bit of it. And the other places that's coming from is the concept, the erroneous concept that men have such insatiable, uncontrollable urges.

That it's a woman's fault that they're horned up. Yes. By something that they've done. The men are protagonist normal. Well, you know how men are. You know how men are. They can't be. Boys will be boys. Hey, you can't stop it. Like, the, the funny thing about that last comment that said terms and conditions is a bitch.

Don't you guys hate that? It's like. Suddenly, yeah, it's like the free speech warrior, yeah. It's turned into a barrister. Or of a sudden there's a Mr. Pedantic has entered. Well, the rules. What? And it's like as soon as it turns on them.

Exactly. They're going to be like terms and conditions. My rights. My rights. It's because it's all about, it's all about power. And it's like I feel like I deserve power over your body, over my enjoyment of you as an object. And you don't have any say in the matter. And I can gloat.

Yes. Like gleefully gloat about about that. It's the your body my choice. Yeah. Like, I mean, the foundation of all expressions of sexism like this, which like has no practical application, it's not like them posting, them like replying terms and conditions apply is not like going to reinforce the wage gap or something. Like it's not actually doing anything tangibly. What it's doing is like possessing women. Like that's what the, the motivation is always like, I've taken your personhood and that is victory for me.

I am now the winner of you existing as opposed to just like. Like, because again, otherwise, also very scary and creepy, but you wouldn't be posting it. Yeah. It's, it's, it's not, this isn't like a, well, you shouldn't have posted it. I'm like, well, you shouldn't have attacked them. Yeah. It's like any other thing though is that the person who is so engrossed in their own objectification and pleasure who's now dehumanized to this person is not even considering anything about

Yeah, why would you? Because they're like, it doesn't matter. You're whatever. I'm trying to get my rocks off or whatever. They are the LLM. They're just going like, okay, I'm assessing assessing. I want this thing right now and this is the quickest way to do. Computer in pants, put in bikinis.

No, it's literally that, yeah. Also, that is like, as far as like, in-cell phrasing goes. Yeah. That is like, show me breasts in a beautiful micro bikini. This stuff is like, because you know, like regular pornography just exists and there's so much online. But that's the thing. That's what to me makes it feel like more of a abusive. It's like a wielding of power.

Yeah, exactly. It's like I feel that I can have anything I want. I can take you off the shelf like the object that you are. And it's extra dehumanizing. Pulling them down. I'm showing you. It's giving them a tool to enact a power fantasy. Exactly, exactly.

Yeah, it's a guns don't kill people or whatever, right? Hey, it's always the same type of motherfucker that is just like, hey, terms and conditions apply. I'm like, okay, do you think we should have a law that you can't do this? No? I mean, we should be allowed to do whatever for a woman. We have to have laws against murder. Otherwise, people would just be murdering others. And it's like, all this shit is already illegal.

And also you should be allowed to. like this. Why do you want to murder people? Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, it also, um, uh, the,

the ice raids in Minneapolis, uh, where an ice agent just fucking murdered in cold blood, a woman. And then the discussions of this on X, despite the fact that there are numerous videos and numerous angles are lying. They're either like completely blind or,

or lying through their teeth about what is occurring in the video. When someone is clearly trying to leave, someone is clearly trying to wave someone through, and you can see that the officer is not in contact with the vehicle when they fire the shots and stuff. And it's like, you can slow it down, you can zoom it in. You'll notice that the people who are like selling a narrative are only showing a blurry video instead of the like HD, like version of the video.

Renee Nicole Good. I just yeah I just want to say her name because of the it's like a completely unjust and I look I'm not the law I've seen a number of videos and I've seen how the murdering officer was running up and down like in no no no one at any point was in any danger they introduced the danger when they quick drew their weapons and there there was no like care for their surroundings, they're not even their fellow man, they're in a fucking neighborhood. Like there's so many things where it's like, if the law is acting the way that it's supposed to, according to its protocol, they're breaking all those rules too,

but those don't matter. Like no. Yeah, what if they are without a warrant breaking into somebody's house to arrest them and then that person blast their fucking head off with Castle Doctrine or like Second Amendment rules or whatever? Then, The argument would be you can't actually do that you can't shoot a cop, sorry.

It's actually, they have to go to jail for exacting violence. They should have de-escalated the situation. I was like, so is there anything? It's just, well, that's the thing. If you're a cop, you can just do anything. They will just, well, that's what it comes down to. It's like, it is a, I will contort myself into any way that allows me to continue bandwagoning onto the power that I've attached myself to.

Yes. And when they exercise their power, I get points as well because my team just won the Super Bowl. So it's just like, it's disgusting. You know, my thoughts and prayers go out to the victim's family and, you know, all of the fucking people who were being ravaged by.

And all of it from a fucking, like, it's all just PR. Yeah, yeah. And there's no, like, it's a cliche refrain, I guess, at this point, to say like, uh, they don't know you little bro kind of thing where it's like,

why are you fighting so hard for these people that do not care about you? Bro things is on the team. And we'll turn on you in a heartbeat. What did Elon say? They're like temporarily embarrassed people. Yeah. It's like not about even about finances or whatever. It's like, no,

one day I'll have person and people will care about me too. One day I'll exert power and have everything I want. I'm like, Elon like he did the, you know, she tried to run people over. he said something else that pissed me off

but I can't find it but anyway he fucking sucks his site should be taken down people are like yeah well the internet's trash I'm like no but this one doesn't work like you can't tell like at all what is real nothing's very funny ever nothing's very interesting it's filtered poorly

I can't even find I went on there to check a sad boys post that we did And you know how long it took me just to get to the sad boys account that I follow and like I'm I'm searching for it. And it's like the last thing that comes up when I hit the Z, you know? Anyway, that's all besides the point. I say all of that because it's a current event that I now look at the replies and it is this weird. Going back to that tools of a power fantasy thing, it's like, that's.

what you get. That's when you get when you're on the other team when, because it's not about the legality. It's not about the rightness to do it. It's now it's like you're, uh, these thugs were, uh, that's what happens when you assault an officer. It's like, okay, that's just not the reality of what was occurring. And also, no, it isn't.

Yeah. It's like, that's not the law. That's not, it's not even death penalty. Because that penalty involved a trial. It's judge dread. Yeah. But that's the thing. It's like there's, it's so like this sadistic, like, there's sadistic, uh, uh.

It's a power. It's surge, right? Yeah. It's like, this is what happens when you mess with us. Exertion of power over by an ice agent, you don't know, over someone, a journalist, you don't know. This is, it's so abstract and so charged by. by the vaguest, most ephemeral hate ever. Yeah.

That they are investing in doing fake forensics for something that they have nothing to do with. The glee, the glee and the, the boasting and the, just like I, even if it's rage bait, you know, it like doesn't matter because it's like, I'm getting, I'm making them mad and it's making me, it's giving me something. That's scary. Right. That's a weird thing that you like. I don't understand how you can celebrate.

it's like something something like this like it's not it's not the erosion of our civil liberties but there's nothing like in you that feels bad it's like yeah it's my right to pull the wings off butterflies and watch them suffer it did that do you hear what you do that's the end of the conversation to me that's just a bad thing to do and they're like it's not against the law

but it's okay but it's like it's weird because I a lot of the engagement on X is bot And this is the perfect opportunity to continue furthering your brainwashing agenda because there's a new horrible thing that has happened. And like that's in that like the quite literal bots and then the kind of lemmings that can find no joy, can find no positive chemicals from any other source in their life except for to be vengeful on the internet. and to bandwagon onto something that they're not even a part of, for someone who doesn't even care if they live or die. Yeah, this is, it's some kind of like moral victory or sense of power from the same type of person that like hides behind the gate when the DoorDash driver.

Right. Like it's not, you know, it's like the looksmax.org owner who, when the BBC was trying to film them for some sort of journalistic thing, had to camp outside for three days before they left their house a single time. They're busy mewing. Yeah, well, yeah, that was what it was. Should we wash the rest? Is there more? Let's continue this.

People seem to not understand is that consent actually matters. And when a woman posts a photo of herself in whatever outfit, it's not giving anyone permission to change her outfit. This is true even for people who have only fans accounts or people who have posted photos of themselves in a bikini before. Because when they choose to do so, it is their right to do so. But it's not someone else's right to do it to them. But rape culture is so embedded in our society that the immediate response is not that

GROC shouldn't allow this to happen or that men shouldn't be asking GROC to do this, but it's that women shouldn't be posting our photos. And as bad as it is that they're doing this to women, we know because we live in a sick society that anything that's done to women also be done to children. Which is like a, now that's one of those like, okay. Well, now if we're talking about C, like, C Sam, how in your brain could you possibly justify that? Like, with the same argument being made, are these people also making that claim? Like, well, terms of ever, shouldn't have posted a photo of your family?

Like, how is that any different to you? In an advertisement or whatever. It's like, it's like, what if you didn't post the photo? We don't know the provenance of any, every photo that's posted online. And Grok doesn't discern, like, you're presenting the concept that like, oh, you shouldn't have posted that. Oh, okay, well, what if you post that? What if you take a photo of me without my knowledge?

What if you take a photo from somewhere that you don't own? It's like, what if I hack into your laptop? Oh, I don't have the license for me. Yeah, what if I'm in public? And then I take a photo of you via your front facing camera. You should put tape up. But that happened. There was iCloud hacks of all of these celebrities because of like,

fishing attacks, people got their iCloud passwords, then leaked this tranche of photos online. Oh, you can't have, you can't even have photos of yourself. You can't even have private photos. Yeah, you can't ever take a private photo because what if someone steals it from you via an illegal act? Why could you're not allowed to have a PS5. What if I break and steal it and kill you? You're not allowed to have a anything because what if?

Because it. Because it. a society. Because I don't get anything out of that. Right. I want the things that you have and the big thing I can't have is you as a individual. That's the thing. It's like it's catching something.

It's like catching air. It's like where no matter what the like this this goal post is always going to move. I remember during the whole the like fappening discourse or because what is this? 2010. I don't remember. It was like before I was at college. I remember because I remember it being at the tail. end or maybe even like the end point of any kind of in-cell potential I may have had like any

chance that I could have been looped into that rabbit hole. I very specifically remember all of the guys I know around me talking about it like passing around like what the hell. And this is not friend this too woke virtue signaling thing. I very specifically remember thinking, wow, no one on the bus right now is talking about it in a sexual way. They're only talking about it in a ha ha,

she got, it got stolen or she shouldn't have done that. It was like only about the person her part. It was, like, it's like, um, the comments are never going to, like the, if some freak generates like, topless image of the woman who had the audacity

to like go to dinner with her family or something. They, they deep fake that. Now it's a nude bikini, whatever the fuck. So, fucking lame. The Edmonton nude that they made,

there's no way anyone is then in the replies of it going like, wow, so hot. Because it's not about that. No. It's about the... They just posted it. It's like, it just like reminds me of those like your body, my choice things

where it's just like during, when the Supreme Court like reversed Roevy Wade, which is a thing that I can't even believe happened. I know. Because every day is a new horror. Every day is a new horror. I texted Isaiah this is the day before yesterday,

I said, learning of new hells every day on this plane. And then the next day I said, just as I say that, dude, this ice shit. Yeah. Like, it's like every single day.

And it's like, it's just impossible. But anyway, when that, when that happened, it's just like, why? Why are,

well, I guess you have to ask the question as to why are these people celebrating the, the removal of someone's like bodily autonomy, right? And it's because it's so, it's that, it's the power. It's like this misogynistic like possession.

I don't know. It's like, it's a combination of power and dehumanizing objectification of. It's the false promise. It's a false promise that like, well, actually it was the agency of women. It was women having any agency whatsoever, which is the reason that you now are only on Kiwi farms and you don't get to reenact like a. madmen style family portrait in the park. That's the reason you, you're unemployed, extremely lonely, and extremely resentful

because black people are allowed to have their own TV shows now or something. But I think that's like what this woman says in this TikTok, these things are so finely woven into our culture. Rape culture is so finely woven into society. in a way that it becomes a slippery slope very easily, where you go from, you know, someone who, you know, doesn't necessarily think they hate women or, like, if you ask them, do you think women are human and deserve humanity?

They'd be like, yeah, of course. But then they're like, but I also deserve. to have a image of her naked. I want that. That's like the end of the respect. It's like literally, it's like, do you think that it's, I mean, it's the classic they know what they're doing. They learned some things. But like we, I think, we all intuit from base principles.

Like, I think if someone is human, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, this many things just from basic like understanding of the universe. And then some people are like, nope, it's just. the words that I learn. I learn racism is wrong. I say that out loud. Now I'm just going to be racist, but I learned that racism is wrong. But it's also just like the privilege

that is predominantly male in this society to issue everything else because of your own id. Like I don't have to consider anything about anything because I want, I get.

And it's like, well, it's like you can stop yourself. and say, oh, I want that, but should I have that? Or do I need that? Or why do I want that? All the way down to the nucleus and instead of the surface level conversation of, I want that, I can't have that. Then, yeah, once it's, I can't get that, you have two choices now.

You can go either way. One is analyzing the source of why you wanted and what the reason is and whether or that's valid. And the other is pick one of the few subgenres you already have in mind of things you hate and then pin the fact that you don't get it on one of those. Hold on. And I don't even think it's, I think amongst most people is speaking to maybe the slippery slope that I just talking about. It's not so pre- it's premeditated among the most evil who want to also profit or exploit the misogyny or the patriarchal society. They're the one slippinging the slope.

But a lot of people are just, don't have to think about it, don't ever have to give it a second thought. And that is the privilege of, that is a male privilege that some people deny the existence of. If you have no perspective or life experience or willingness to engage it, your brain literally just doesn't process

why you would ever do something that doesn't feel good right then. Why would I ever, ow, working out hurts. It must be bad for me. And eating pizza good. I mean, look, I ate a lot of pizza recently. There's the thing is. It is great. There's that one way of eating pizza feels really good in the moment.

And they're like, oh, I'm like, those are, what was I thinking? I indulge. Who cares? I mean, it's fair enough. That's the actual thing I will do. And then I'll be like, I'll probably have pizza again. but I know it's probably not the wisest move. The alternative to that is, no, no, it's morally right to have the pizza.

It's morally right to have the pizza and it's promised to me. I think it's something that like... My tummy aches because it's Anastasia's fault. I think I'm worried that DEI Pizza Hut hires have screwed up the cheese to make me sick. Even if it's not all men, it is a man who owns this platform. It is a man who owns GROC. It is a man who refuses to stop this. And it is many, many men who are,

abusing GROC to harm women and children. We need regulation of AI yesterday. Oh, my God. It's clear these platforms are not going to police themselves. And that's how they win, because right now, like, there's no legislation of any of this shit because also Trump's family has investments in half of these things. I mean, boiling the best thing you can do, greatest devil, the trick the devil of a blade or whatever, is make things obscured as much as possible.

and I think a lot of people don't understand, again, have sort of understanding how the world works, that they see, ex the everything at Twitter, whatever, they see that as just like raw unfiltered internet. Like, that's just where the internet is. It's not owned by anyone, no one does anything, no one owns anything.

Everyone that exists in the world are the people that I'm thinking about. They have like no object permanent. So they don't think about the bigger implications of something. They think like, okay, well, why am I, why do I feel so lonely? I think it's that that girl in my high school didn't like me. Not some larger, like, uh,

mechanic in place. It's just, well, we can't do anything about Twitter because it's just, it's just like that. The world's just like this. Yeah, I like it.

I want it now. One of the crimes, uh, one of the unfortunate side effects and, uh, now crimes of the internet is, um, shame exists as a reaction to,

like, conforming, to society and like living up to, you know, the expectations of your fellow person. And when a group of freaks who have all the wrong thoughts about how the world should work can band together, then there's no, their peers, a jury of their peers is freaks like them who also don't experience shame. So they're not beholden to the rest of society and just get to not, I mean, and then get to just do whatever and then there are no consequences because because the people in power share

some of the same entitlements to agency or what they appear to be as agency. It's bad. I don't know if that makes sense, but. It's bad parenting and they never evolve into adults. So they spend their entire lives not being guided or taught anything and just operating from really like an unethical worldview. Yeah. And then the closest thing they have to, peers, coworkers, people that might challenge you or put you in a new kind of position or even just like educate you from a distance are other people that are also afraid of the world and would like it to conform to their greatest comfort level.

It is like how streamer brain is like dubs in the chat. So I don't need to be a member of society. It's like look at all my peers who are also undressing women without their consent online. This is awesome. How could I be wrong? How could I be wrong? Because I have enough people to agree with me. Okay, so.

Social credit system needed. UK urges Musk's X to urgently address intimate deepfakes by Grok. That's from Reuters. I like how it says intimate. Intimate's not the right word there. Yeah. That's, that even runs into victim. Even that is.

Like, it feels like it should have said violating or something like that. Like, intimate is weird. It's not to say, obviously, I'm sure that they're in practice. they're operating under the Reuters house style or whatever, but isn't it also kind of telling severe terms that it should be used are like minimized. It's minimizing nothing itself. Because it's you've got to be respectful.

You've got to be, you've got to, what's it called respectability? Not respectability politics, but what is this? This is like, well, it kind of makes me think that they're like, well, we can't accuse Musk of doing something illegal. So we're going to say intimate rather than illegal. Yeah, but you could say explicit. But here it just feels like we have like massaged the language to the point where it doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean. It like softens what it is.

It's like puritanical almost. It treats it like unbiased reporting doesn't exist. Silly idea. But if that is how you want to present yourself as a lot of mainstream news sources would be. and I think Reuters very specifically does operate under that, under those auspersers. We have to have like an agreed set of ethics, right? Like, hey, if CNN, which, you know, in a lot of cases people will refer to as an unbiased news source. But, you know.

Really? But yeah, yeah. I think CNN holds the reactionary position. It's default. It's default, exactly, because it's not Fox News. It's like process of elimination. But, sorry, just to rub that. up. If CNA is running a story about like, uh, uh, slavery, reintroduced to the South and then like,

is not framing it as slavery is bad to be, because like, hey, it's, you know, I don't want to make any kind of judgment or say any kind of thing one way. This is not like intimate, deep fake images. Why are you being so diplomatic? Yeah. Are we just saying that this, you know, there's a conversation to be had and like, yeah, it's like when the New York Times is doing those opinion profiles of Nazis. It's like, well, let's hear what they have to say. It's like, I don't know if we need to. Some international socialists

have arrived. Yeah, technology minister, that's interesting. Do we have, I guess we do have one of those. We have like a CFO or a CTO of America. It does machines of... Technology minister, Liz Kendall, said in the same content was absolutely appalling and urged social media pop them to act. I'm wondering if they were spy.

They did not respond requests for comment. And... X's safety account said on Sunday that it removes all illegal content on the platform and permanently suspends accounts involved. But it doesn't. What we know that's not true, too, it's exceedingly easy to create an account because we know how many fucking bots there are.

So that's a whack-a-mole problem that you'll never solve. But it's a way that they absolve themselves of responsibility because it's like whenever someone tells us that there's something illegal, we get rid of it. Later. Anytime. Well, anytime somebody kills someone while drunk driving, we'll just put them in jail. Right. Yeah, right.

But like- Yeah. Driving illegal. Do you need to create disincentives for these horrible things that are occurring? X told Reuters, legacy media lies. What? That's about it. Fuck off, bro.

So wait, they said nothing and then that. Musk has shrugged off concerns online posting, laughing emojis in response to edited bikini images of public figures. Oh yeah, that's right. He was, I'm just remembering we watched maybe some AI adjacent thing. I think maybe on the Patreon where they talked to. about spicy mode, like that they actually recorded. Yeah, because it was in conjunction with him talking about like, if you ask, if you could ask you to roast you or whatever.

This is separate, but I know it's unhinged or whatever. Oh, you're sick. Yeah, this one's separate because they're, they're talking about this for like their, basically making a sex bot. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, let's continue. At what point does Britain, I would say the United States,

but we're not gonna do it. At what point does Britain just say, okay, your website's illegal in our country? I would get, well, I would say never, but gesturing to it publicly a lot. That's like, I think actually making it illegal is the practice of more coherent European nations. Britain likes to dip the toes enough and go like, isn't this bad? Look how ethical we're being and then let it go on for 40 years. The crazy thing is that normally a company that is failing as much as Twitter now is under Elon's management would have to like shutter its doors if it was unable to make a profit. But he just keeps multiplying his net worth because the Tesla board keeps approving a trillion dollar pay packages for him that make him the richest man in the world.

Plus the government just gave SpaceX so much money. Yeah, so it's like, okay. I will say there will be European countries that I think would take that tack if necessary, like as it continues, I just Britain in particular. We just need a country who's brave enough.

And it's so funny because you don't even have to be that brave. You're a fucking country. Just say, hey, little man, shut the fuck up. I don't understand. And if you want to just call people, remember when he just like was calling people pedophiles for no reason it's just like but when you have so much

money dude it's so he's the propaganda machine that's why he keeps ex going because no exactly that's what i mean it's just like that it's impossible to solve and so i guess you just keep having to uh shame him as a big loser yeah which he will always provide uh evidence of i'm so glad dippers on this episode we need everyone can just look at him occasionally is he in the frame i actually don't know Okay, cool. And if you need... Big floppy ears in the firm. A moment.

He's shedding everywhere. Just like I wish I was shedding this website. In other news, I have been watching Better Call Saul. I'm now on season six. But I have a minor critique of the show. It's all good, man. My main critique, and I'm sure I haven't like analyzed the show from a media landscape. perspective or zooming out because I haven't finished it yet and haven't reflected too much on it.

But I'll tell you that it has been annoying to me how many times there is an elaborate plan from Saul and crew and a random like public defender guesses their entire plan off the top of their head. Like it'll be like, all right. Like Saul will be like, all right, we've got to, we've got to make him think that that Joey ate the And so to make him think Joey ate the donut, I'm going to take a bite of the donut and then I'm going to slip it into Joey's bag. And when Cindy sees it, she's going to think, Joey, you did it again. You ate the donut.

You're supposed to be gluten-free. And it's going to erode their relationship. Right. That's the plan, right? And then a DA is walking by casually and he's like, you want to know what I think you did? I think you took a bite of the donut. And so I was like, and then he's like, and then his whole thing is like lying through his teeth or whatever. and he puts the charm on and he lies about it.

But they get the exact plan correct. And I'm like, how many fucking times is this going to happen? It is like the kind of tension that is what you think could happen and that's what scares you. But life is actually just a series of very specific plans you make, nothing even close to it happening. And if it accidentally succeeds, 10 years later you go like, I used to be so good at plans. It makes sense, like, from a writing standpoint, like, because you want to see, Saul weasel is way out of all these situations. And they need to be right, otherwise he has nothing to weasel out of.

Right, but it is a thing where, and I'm going to, we'll blur this, we'll cover this part out. But it's like, and it's like, oh, okay, so. But then. Better Call Saul has a lot of this. Pluribus, I've been finding to have a lot of it, but still great show. and Breaking Bad has way too much of this, which is why I'm not a huge fan of that show, which is like there's the veil between

writer's room and viewer does not exist at all. I feel like I am looking at the script of the episode more than any other show ever, and it's a really strong script, so I'm enjoying it. But it's like, it's the same reason I tend to not watch shows with subtitles on, unless I'm with other people

because a lot of people like them. I'm not morally against it because I read you just love not read them right when I love you love how good your audio processing is I just see like hey what is little dash I'm like okay something's gonna happen in a couple seconds oh yeah yeah to me that's like to me that's like if they could fix it if they could just like do if they could bake out ones that would be helpful yeah it's all typed out it's like it's a fake final word that doesn't car or something but like watching better call full sometimes feels like that because like somebody will walk down a hallway there'll be a, you know, some song that I'm sure Vince Gilligan really loved in the summer,

at some point in the 90s is playing while Saul is like listening to a washing machine and then taking out a cog or something, like iconic better call Saul scene. He's refilling a bottle of water with like a yellower bottle of water. Like, hmm, what's he up to? You'll find out in two episodes, someone starts walking up to him and I like, I know what they're, but you're about to be a problem in it. Yeah, I do feel like, it is it's like it's like it's like I do know what you mean like if you know anything about how shows are structured

then sometimes things feel predictable but like what is like compelling is like the character development the performances and then like how how they like land the plane how they create this tapestry of like interwoven threads and the plan is cool and the plan was dull then that whole thing. Though I just remembered another time when it happens, which is, uh, you're kind of getting close to the end of the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll probably finish it today or tomorrow. Well, I was going to ask, are you a finale procrastinator? Mm. A maybe last two episodes. It's not a new show. Like I want to make sure I'm like locked in for this. No, actually, I'm more of a, I might be watching something absent mindedly or second screening, but then when things get

real, I like lock in. Like I'm like, now you have my, before you had my curiosity, now you have my attention. Same with games? Uh, I, I, I really basked in a way too slow way in like the last four hours of Balders Gate at the last five hours of Expedition 33.

I think, yeah, no, I know what you mean, like where you're not, I think that with Expedition 33, I knew that I would have no motivation to play the game once I finished it. Yes. And so I did like savor it a little bit towards the end. And then I played it again, which I thought was funny. But it was New Game Plus, so it was, you know, faster.

And it's a really, it's almost a more compelling story the second time. Yeah. Although the twists that a great hour of is ruined. Twitter told me it was slop, so I no longer like the game. No, it's quality slop or something's good. But in general. If I dip away, I fear that I'll forget context and not know my... Like, this happened to me when I was playing Twilight Princess on the Wii back in high school or something.

You're hanging out with Dan on the upstairs of my old apartment? I was with Dan on the upstairs. I was the Wii U. Oh, before. Yeah, no, but the... I remember coming back to it and being like, I just have to start the game over again. I don't know what's going on. It's neuroa-typical ableism that every game can't give you a to the moment montage of what you did for.

Like, where we last left our heroes. Because I'm not holding under that. There's two, my brain is like Swiss cheese. It's felt like, I forgot that along with like a middle school teacher's name or something. Well, that's the thing that I was telling Anesthesia earlier. I was watching a, I started my morning like most of us do, watching a video about the guys who cracked one of the Zodiac killers of ciphers, you know, and talking about the story of that. Having a coffee and that was having a coffee, thinking about Z340. Shire, shower, shave, watch documentary about one of the guys.

that helped crack that code. Right, exactly. And so... That code. I'm sorry. My brain had replaced Zodiac Killer with Enigma Code. Oh, but code, I mean, that's still accurate. It's code, but I guess the vibe was different.

Sure. It made sense to me. But I then was, I went over to Netflix because I was like, sometimes I'm not in the mood to watch like a narrative show. In fact, me watching Better Call Saul is like me trying to. train my brain to get back into drama. I was like, oh, I might want to, you know, take a little break into Zodiac Killer documentary.

And I saw one on Netflix that I gunned to my head could not tell you if I've seen or not. It's like, it looked familiar from the outside. Then I clicked in and I'm like, well, none of these details feel familiar. And then, but, and I would trust Netflix if Netflix wasn't constantly recommending me things I've already seen. Is it like a familiar in like a house style? It's like a, I, so many of these are kind of produced similar ways. Maybe that's why.

It was like the name looked familiar. The title of the documentary looked familiar. And I've seen so many Netflix documentaries about serial killers and in mysteries that I don't know if I'm just conflating a bunch of stuff. I feel like I feel like I've become the most normie median voter person. ever when I am like medium voter subtype like the watches like jimmy kibble clips and stuff whenever a Netflix thumbnail for a documentary does not have a name and thumbnail i'm really fucking what because other movies i might go based on like okay who's involved with it who's doing whatever who's how many people have recommended this tv show to me but with a documentary

i know everyone was just like dude you got to watch don't fuck with cats it'll blow your mind i'm like No, name's too stupid It is a bad name I just can get over it, my brain can't It is a good document It's actually a really crazy documentary That's what I mean This should do it for me

And I'm gonna get there And I'm just gonna But it's like the title is like written by like A millennial like Reaction meme It's like if the thumbnail was the success baby Or something I need to yeah I need to like

Give you a custom Netflix Where it's called interesting documentary about a weird guy. Challenging. Yeah. The tags are like challenging. You can't handle it. Too cool.

I think that there's like one, I think that there's one person in that documentary who's like a weird side person who says the phrase don't fuck with cats or something like that. And that's like where they got it from. Because a lot of the stuff about that case and story happens on like a Facebook group. I did see the first 20 minutes or so. What is fun about is I was watching it in a room of a family with no subtitles on that predominantly did not speak English.

And so I think it was a, I genuinely think it got put on because the thumbnail looked like kind of like a, ah, it's funny or whatever. Because it is about a guy who kills humans. Why? That's against the law? Yeah. What the hell? Some laws, I think. He's going to jail.

Because, I mean, they also did stuff. They also did stuff to animals, but it's like this. Why in my brain as that was, wait, it's bad that they killed people. Right. No, but that's the thing. It's like, there's like people talk about that all the time where it's like, there's so much human bloodshed that people dehumanized or just like put out of their mind, but then pets and animals are so inviting to them that they're being like, oh, no, don't hurt the animal,

but then are just like willing to look past like human casualties. Well you spend your yeah not only obviously desensitized via and I was a not so much fiction more so representations of death and its importance in the news as in it's not important because it's not happening to you kind of framing but like I think we're desensitized via that but also kind of from the moment you find out about death you spend your entire life trying to desensitize yourself to it because otherwise you'd go insane. Yeah. Also, no, to your point, like the news is constantly telling you about death and destruction and

never about a weird freak who tortures animals. Yeah. And so it is unnerving because you're less exposed to, like no part of it makes sense logically unless you consider how desensitized a culture can be too violent. Like in America, like the type of violence, weird desensitized. to because of the horrific stuff that continues happening and then nothing and then no efforts are made to

address it. Either your head explodes or you have to you know, I'm certainly not going to pretend that I'm not as much a result of that as anybody else. Like I most certainly have a, even after just moving to the US, there is a like a tone to tragedy or conflict here that is, it's like out of sight, out of mind. In the UK, it's more like suppress. Here, it's more like, what are you going to do? It's like a, it's like drinking from a fire hose. It's like you literally can't. Yeah, you just, almost by design, you can't keep it all straight. If I say the thing that's going on right now in the

news, if I said that generically, it would always apply and everyone would be thinking about different things. I am, yeah, I'm scanning right now and my brain is only going to things I saw probably this morning. Yeah, exactly. To go back to TV show chat a little bit and Jordan mentioning refusing to watch things that are recommended to him. I love the show Heated Rivalry. Oh, yeah.

I back in December have talked about it nonstop. It's just too Canadian. I just think that. I just hate people like that. Yeah. Hockey players. Hockey players. I think it's a really good show.

I think it's beautifully acted. And I understand that there's a barrier to entry because the first couple of episodes are, there's not like a ton of story there. But once you get to the end of the season, episodes five and going back to- What are they stop limiting the story with? Like what?

It's just people like sitting down. Well, you just see lots of doing it. Oh, hell yeah Jacob They don't want you to see this stuff Told me he didn't like the show And I told him to keep watching We'll get a Jacob progress report later

Yeah, I bookmarked something that was like If the WMBA was shot like heated rivalry I guess I got to watch heat of rivalry In order to understand the memes So the incredible thing is like One of the things I love about the WMBA Is All the heated rivalries

how incredible like the players are about uh like their they're they're um kind of like outlook and they're very positive or tend to be you know and uh and some of them are very silly like some of them are on TikTok and they're like so funny but it is cool it is fucking cool that a player can be on the same team as her wife oh that's funny like it is so cool in the WMBA. I mean, it could happen in the NBA as well, but. Right. You're ready for that conversation.

No. We need heated rivalry NBA edition. That would be, you know, there is definitely a, well, not his wife, but, you know. But even his wife. Like, what if, something like, because there are female assistant coaches. Like, what if an assistant coach was coaching a team that her husband played on or whatever? And it was like, just a halfway through a game just like, shut it, somehow shot a free throw from the parking lot. And they were like, oh, fuck, you might need to play basketball on our team.

Would that be, if you were good enough, a basketball, I'm saying that would happen. You just throw a basketball into a hoop from far away. And there's somebody who goes, we need you on the New York Knicks. Come on over. We've been missing a player. I unironically think that's how Janus was discovered. He was like at a park in Greece. And they were like, hold on.

We've got to get this guy into the NBA. But yeah, I think it's really sweet and really cute how, like there was. Dipper's homophobic. Yeah, he hits it. That was a big sigh, dude. Deep sigh. But like there's been players who were married to an assistant coach or in the W. All I'm saying is heated rivalry is only six episodes so far.

Is it the end of the season? Is it? It's already all. So the first season is all out. Yeah. Cool. It was produced by a Canadian. I'm out.

work called Crave. Oh, yeah. And the show, the writer-director, showrunner, Jacob Tierney, he made two other shows that I love called Letterkenny and Shoresy. Oh, Letterkenny's sick. See, that's what I was saying. This guy is really fucking good. Letterkenny is like a really specific vibe.

It's weird to think of someone making something that is not Letterkenny. Right. the style. It's like making something in like the style of Dragon Bowl. It's like such a specific head that like let it can he. It'd be like if whoever does the voice acting for an anime character then does an undistated one-man show. I would say it's like if you heard that Trey Parker and Matt Stone made a romance. But I mean, that's kind of how it felt about Book of Mormon when you were like, With the South Park guys. Yeah.

The pivot. Craig Mason, his entire career was like kind of shitty comedies. And then all of a sudden pivot to making Chernobyl. But the thing is like Jacob Tierney, who made Letterkenny and Shorzie, he is gay. And he plays Pastor Glenn in Letterkenny. And I think he just, this was like a prod, a, uh, a, uh, passion project for him. Episodes five and six made me cry and like made me feel things that no other show has made

me feel like in a very long time. Repulsion. There's a gay American. Yeah. I'm actually really homophobic. Did I not tell you guys that? And that's why it's such powerful art because it makes you feel emotions. Somebody was so like a homophobic guy with such poor media literacy that he gets to the final

episode. It was like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. They're gay? This isn't funny at all. It is a little bit how like the toxic like locker room stuff like when men like this type of stuff that men who've been in sports all their lives talk about happening in locker rooms that they're so desensitized to. And then like it's like it sounds weird out of cut. Yeah, it's like we slap each other on the butt.

Jacob, you mentioned this a little before we recorded actually about the like it's I'm paraphrasing you. So correct me if I'm wrong, but that the. irony of it or like the the um obsession with it but homophobia that's also so endemic especially in the locker room space is not allyship it's it's like they're like being like hey you can touch your bro or whatever you know it's a lot of like masquerading as being comfortable with your sexuality because like yeah we can like slap each other's butts and like you know like a gay guy we're like cool with that and it's actually like but it's like being done for comedy It's like, that's not like what that is, even though it's like, we touch each other.

The joke at the end of the day is being gay is bad or funny or something to make fun of. Gay people do. Also, I want to say also that I really hate some of the reactions that people have had online around this show where they're like, huge fans of the show and will go to hockey games and yell at the players kiss and stuff like that and it's like I don't know if I like that I feel like those guys are at work

you know like leave them alone don't sexually harass people yeah if they make a really compelling romantic if Netflix put out like a really compelling drama about people falling in love while working at Walgreens, and then you started going into it. Or could be like, go ahead, kiss, by the counter. Yeah, like, I just, I don't know.

Or the other side of it is a lot of fans of the show are queer-vestigating athletes and actors on the show. And it's like, who gives a shit? Yeah. That's their private life. I'm sending you a clip from Carl Nassib, one of, if not the first NFL player to come out. And I saw this on my feed recently, and I thought it was very funny. This was 20-20. I was on the Raiders, and we were playing the Browns.

And I think Baker was a quarterback, and he's a very mobile quarterback, but they ran like three bootlegs away from me. And you know when you're on the opposite of a bootleg, you've got to chase it all the way over there. And they did three bootlegs in a row to start the second half. I was so mad. And these are all my former teammates. And so I'm chasing the third one. I said, stop the gay-ass bootlegs. The entire Browns O-line turn around me, you can't say that. And I was like, oh, man, the league is ready for this.

They are ready for me. Like, we got some allies here. You know what I mean? I was like, this is so funny. Like, the guy is about to come out saying in word gay, getting shut down by five massive dudes. Like, it was, like, in stereo, you can't say that. And he's just like, oh, like,

It was hysterical. So like, one, I had a, I have to acknowledge, like, my own moment where I was a little bit ignorant. But stop running boots, you know what I mean? Like, stick in the pocket. That is a good, like, like, inoculating them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heads up.

Is everybody else at Thanksgiving? Like, man, this turkey's so dry, it's gay. Yeah, it's like you're testing the, testing the temperature. What would we think of that sentiment? Yeah, well, we think of that. Yeah, good point, Eric. Interesting. Okay.

writing that down. Entire family applauds, okay. We got some allies here is very funny. The amount of people who have felt safe coming out in professional sports is so low. And yeah, it just hurts my heart thinking about people. It has to start somewhere because you look at someone like Caleb Williams, who's straight but paints his nails and just like the amount of extremely weird. Or Jared McCain. I don't know his sexuality.

which it honestly doesn't matter. But he paints his nails and does TikTok dances and people are so homophobic against him. It's very weird. But then it's very strange. Like those people have a good game. And then their homophobic fans have to like be like, look, I don't care what you do with your nails

as long as you're winning for the bears, baby. Go bears. Yeah, it's a merit based. Yeah, it is, it sucks that it like what I think, if like one of those, like if Caleb Williams has a bad game, I know I'm about to see some homophobic shit on my feed. Yes. You know what I mean?

And again, I'm pretty sure Caleb Williams is straight and is like dating a woman. But it fits to the points based, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it doesn't matter. It does feel also like, obviously there's such an established culture of that in a lot of fandoms, especially athletics. But like that is Stan culture, just like anything else is. And I think people, when they feel betrayed by their avatars, that they've, like, the protagonists that they've, like, the protagonists that they've,

chosen feel so much angrier and upset than they would to just a gay person. If there is like something, or case in point being, oh my God, my leftist comfort commenter just said that they used to listen to Joe Rogan or something. They were like nine. Versus the millions of people that just listen to Joe Rogan that are also doing. You don't know them. We're avatars and some people were upset that we weren't, that we were too, too forgiving to the male shopper.

I love this transition. Wow, we got one. May when a friend comes out? So I'm, I knew that, well, because what happened was that Jacob and Anastasia and our pre-production meetings always have like a good, like, swath of things for us to look at. And we, I think, only ended up watching one clip, even though we had multiple because we just went for so long.

And that's, you know, part of the nice thing is that it's nice to be able to go long on like a short clip because it feels like we're like adding commentary. But in this instance, maybe didn't see the full picture. So I want to look at some of the other stuff we had on the docket and see if my opinion changes. Because I actually don't think my opinion was much different from the people who are upset. I think that I didn't have an opportunity to share that I agreed with some of those sentiments. Yeah, sometimes it does feel like, and I sometimes will be anxious about, this is the archived and final version of myself that anyone's going to see till next Friday.

Right, right. Yeah, it's like in a similar way to like not every piece of work you do has to be your best work or has to be everything to everyone. It's like everything you say, like you can't live in a way where everything that you say encapsulates all of your, like, opinions and dimensionality about a subject, because it's just impossible to convey information. All of your credit leads up to your final grade. If you completely whiff the last test, it shouldn't, like, negate everything else you did.

And so, again, I don't think that there's, like, it's not like a significant amount of heat, and I think that this is a particularly low stakes, like, issue to begin with. So I'm mostly just curious what else there was, because people were like, oh, there's, You know, people who work at the grocery stores talking about these male shoppers. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting perspective. Like, I am curious about that. Obviously, we aren't able to watch everything. But I wish we had looked at a few more.

And it was just us going, like that particular day, just going long. As long as the grocery shoppers don't chase them home. Yeah. I'd be like, stop the car. Stop the car. I guess while you're pulling these up, there was also a viral, like, AI. rage bait post about about the app the delivery apps and how a company was pocketing tips or something like that and then the CEO of DoorDash came out and was like this isn't us it was more or less

now considered just completely AI generated but for a moment it was a weirdly timeline wise like it got posted after our thing came out and I was like wow how timely. Oh, curious. Suspicious. Suspicious. Everybody hates male personal shoppers. And this story right here,

uh, ain't gonna make it any better. He says, hey, curd juice not available. She says, okay, please refund. He says, any change?

She says, no. And crinkle cuts not available. He sends her the question marks. So he says to her, courage use also not available. Crinkle cuts, not available. She sends some of a screenshot

of the pictures that she sent before. Circling, okay, please. refund. He says only only this available only and he sends her another. That's really funny. I, um, I feel like this person should get a different job. Like, I just funny reply is only only. I mean, there's an English comprehension. Yeah.

For sure, but also this person. just was having hard time typing. I'm sure they're trying to... I'm like, because they're spelling, it's not even, like, they're spelling some stuff correctly. And then, like, only is spelled three different ways in each of these messages. Unless they call them a honky in that, the... This is available honky.

Surplice. Damn, that's a cold-ass honky. That's my... Juice. Yeah, I mean, this is obviously bad. Instacart has a replacement function, right? Yeah, so the... Not in like regular chat.

The app, when the shopper says this is not available, the app then suggests other things. Yes. Yeah. And when you're checking out, you can say that if this isn't available, here is something that I want you to replace it with. Or refil. Or don't replace, too. You can just say, I want no replacements, just refund if you can't find something. But if you're just bad at the job, I would not be.

be surprised if it's a more commonly male thing. But the, a challenge that Instagram has that I don't think they solve very well is if I suck as a shopper, what's to stop me from only getting the few things? Like, let's say I actually am a genius, but also a bad actor. And I want to siphon as much money as possible from Instacart. I would say that anything that I don't want to get is not available and you can't prove me wrong. And then... That's weaponizing competence for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I would get a bunch of stuff that I can get because if there's no stock correspondence between the store and Instacart, then the source of truth is just whether or not the shopper sees it or wants to get it. Because otherwise I would just say, oh, they don't have it. Yeah. And then if you ask for a photo and then carrot juices in the photo, that's, again, it's just like they're bad at the, people, people are allowed to be bad at the job and the platform is hiring people that it does not have the tools to support them being good at their job.

And you cannot turn up at the store and grab stuff out of the car. I think hiring is an inappropriate term here because these people aren't being hired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, this is an inherent problem with gig work. Yeah. Their vetting process is insufficient for the people they are signing W-9s for or whatever. Because there's an employment form for independent contract work, right? Yeah, it's not just like a social platform that connects.

What I'm trying to say is, like, they don't have a supervisor that they can talk to if there's a problem. They don't have, like, there's not really, they're not really an employee of the company. and they haven't been trained. They haven't been, you know, there's literally no support for the shoppers. But like all of those things are the fault of Instacart. Exactly. And then it's like if someone needs a job, because, you know, that's often the case. If someone needs money and then there's an app that says, hey, you can do work for money,

then if that person, despite lacking any of the skills, or ability to do the work well is still accepted onto the platform continually and is allowed to give all of the customers that they're working with a bad experience. It's like a failure, I think, on the platforms part because they don't really care about your experience. They only care about the bottom line.

Exactly. It's funny to kind of treat... This is one of like the few examples where you can... treat somebody's service and work ethic the way that companies want to pretend work ethic works where it's honor-based it's like yeah people work hard when they're good people and it's like no dude work sucks you've got to have the i feel like the incentive structure has to be set up correctly and i feel like the incentives are are bad because like even this person being bad at this job might be the best way that they can make an income.

And that's a side effect of a lot of different, like, sort of economic factors. But I can concede that, like, there's a lot of men doing this job poorly. Yeah, no, dudes are, like, very complacent, because that's just kind of what happens when the world's easier. Like, people that grow up rich work less hard as well, because it's like they just don't have to,

they don't care because they don't, it's the source of privilege, right? where men come in is system weaponized incompetent which we talked about i thought we did talk about the last episode that men tend to be worse shoppers because they are socially trained to not give a shit about it yeah and that there's weaponized incompetence there's uh massages just general massaging now so so someone here says i switched my name to well so first of all there's a comment with a thousand and likes, it says, I really wish they'd watch more the one video of a woman having trouble with Instagram.

So I do want to watch more videos of a woman having trouble with Instagram. I've seen other videos where people are talking about how they changed their name in the app to a man's name and stopped having problems with their drivers. So that is interesting. That's like a different vector of this that I wasn't familiar with. Which actually unrelated, like I would expect that, unfortunately, from pretty much any platform in any circumstance. I think it's into any ever.

I think there's absolutely no getting around. The fact, I think I have benefited in the visa and immigration process and the way that I've been treated or certainly over the phone by having a white-coded name. Yeah. I don't think that hasn't heard of it. I also know women who on food delivery apps have changed their name to a man because they don't want to, because a lot of dudes are creeps and might like linger around. It's like a form of harassment that you are open to if a,

a man, bad actor of which, like, you know, it's like, we know all the numbers on this, but like there are a lot more men who do this type of shit than not, than women or non-binary people. Part of the privilege, too, when we talk about like, guys set certain expectations or expect certain things is, yeah, if I get the wrong product, she's a woman, she'll compromise. Versus like, if I get the wrong thing and it's a guy, he'll report me. Yeah. Because guys do stuff.

Or even just like this, this profile picture, this name looks kind of cute. I'm going to linger around because maybe I get to talk to a pretty girl. And then that's scary. Like I... Which, but I think it's also telling that that creepy thing doesn't manifest in, I'm going to do an extra good job of the shopping because maybe they'll like that. Instead, it's like, no, I'm just going to, I'm still going to do whatever I want, but I'm also going to like be weird. Also, it's like, I changed my name to a man. It's like men are aggressive when you do something mean to them, let's say.

Like that might be someone's perception of the thing. So they're like, oh, I don't want to. Based on life experience and just based on, you know, societal systems and stuff. Someone said, I switched my name to Brian and all of a sudden no one needed to call for help shopping or directions. Interesting. And they stopped knocking and waiting at the door. It sucks that, you know, men being creeps is the reason that women need to look over their shoulders and stuff like that. However, it's good to have the tools and be aware.

the tools to protect yourself, given you know that. Give you a little piece of mind. Yeah, similarly, I think if you didn't, if the tool, if the app did not give you the ability to change your name, I would also be advocating for that. That's another, like, this tool is not considering the human element and is, uh, that, I wonder what people's experiences, drivers is as well,

because I think the, I'm trying to imagine, okay, creep guy ordering groceries is anything, but let's say it's groceries because of the, like, frad, heteronormative dynamic of that. Guy ordering groceries, a woman, not even, no profile picture or anything, but female coded nameset at the very least, picking up order, product not available, this available donkey, and sends them a photo of the available carrot juices.

Yeah. Correctly, it goes like, which of these? I guarantee there would be more hostility and less patience and less respect from the guy than vice versa, certainly. Because then it would just be like a, you've screwed it up again that some buried somewhere in their brain. Like speaking reports from customer service workers. Like if you have a foreign accent and someone is on, and they're like, welcome to spectrum support, there's a lot of people who'd be like, great, great, an Indian guy. Yeah.

That's also why those people, like that guy, I think we looked at him on the podcast, the guy who like learned an Italian like godfather accent. And because he was working in customer service and working with people in New Jersey and they're way more ingratiated towards you, endeared towards you if you sound like them. Yeah. Maybe because we were talking so much about the structures of these apps, which I do think is important, it made someone think that that was the only thing that was important. Yeah, which we definitely talked about society and men.

Sexism and misogyny is like baked into the fabric of our culture. Yeah, it's in the fabric of our culture. It's definitely a part of it. We're also operating from a position of like, I sometimes forget the way that like somebody might assume anything about me by default. You know, from hanging out with a friend or chatting to someone, I would never need to go. Like, by the way, I'm not a Republican.

I just noticed that this in particular was interesting because it's like the top comment on the video. And then someone said, yeah, I feel like they went on a totally different tangent. Guilty, that's always going to happen. Lock me up. But then this person is saying, yeah, the woman made sure to state she was communicating via the app with the driver and telling him not to get things or the frozen stuff first. An app which has a built-in translation feature. The ingredients for her frustration are valid. It totally valid.

We've all been there. And that's why that video was so popular. Yeah. Is that I think it was cathartic for people to see her go off on a guy for shopping poorly. And yeah, that guy does suck at his job. And he probably shouldn't be doing it. But ultimately, the core of the problem here is the fact that we have this one app that solves a problem that people have where they want someone to shop for them. right and that app fucking sucks yeah it is not good it is not a good product i i would like to

watch uh if there's more videos of like women having issues or changing their names or anything like that there was a one that popped off on ticto um where a woman straight up said the app should allow you to choose women shoppers only if you're not the CEO of doordash or instacart keep scrolling this is not for you i am begging you to make an update on your app where I can request a female shopper. I'm going to need that to happen. I put it in order for five items. One of these items is what I ordered.

Let's go through it together. I ordered a half gallon of store brand milk. I got a quarter gallon of Tuscan, and you can't tell me that they didn't have store brand milk because I have never been in there, and they have been out of stock of store brand milk. Moving on. I ordered a chopped Caesar salad kit.

I got the ultimate Caesar salad kit, and I'm not going to lie. I was expecting this, because you have to look slightly harder for the chopped Caesar salad. salad kit and a man would never, he would just pick the one he sees first. See, I know what she's saying. However, it's, it reminds me of the, like, men are trash type thing and where, where it's like, it's cathartic to say, I have no reason to assume the worst or to assume that this woman has a

one-dimensional view of the situation. And I think that the true. And I think that the true. perfect answer to something is fixing society and fixing the app and making it very difficult to make these errors at the company's expense, which is why they cut the corners. A shortcut to roughly what's going to make the app better is having the, like being able to choose like that you want a female shopper. Like similar to I'm not up in arms that you can in some markets get like a female Uber driver because of totally understandable safety concerns, you know? Yes, yeah.

Sometimes I'm surprised at the gap between like what's in my head and what like a perception of something is. Yeah. So I wanted to like check myself because I was like, did I like, there's a little bit of where I like, did I not, is that not what I said? And I'm happy to like go back and look and be like, oh, maybe I did say the wrong thing or or not say, you know, I've jumped thoughts many a time before where I go A to C and I mean to establish something with B that I take for granted, but then just like jump past it. Which I think can be told by the fact that I don't know.

Ever, in the history of the show, reacted to a comment on an episode of seven. I think that we literally might have never done that before. Because if the comment was like completely invalid and not worth acknowledgement, or if we just were like, were the kind of person they're talking about. They're like, yeah, they're just guys. They don't care about this kind of stuff. We'll be like, I don't think we'd be talking about now. I don't think you would have seen a guy.

Also that I'll never not be a guy. And I'll never not have those inherent biases. And I will continue to do my best to challenge them. And I can always get better at communicating my perspective. And also, I do think that like at the end of the day, this is like a free form podcast, you know, and I think that we didn't write any of this. That's going to, that's going to show in a lot of ways. And that is, that's just the medium, you know, and so it has its pros and cons, but it is what it is.

I got a Mozzanel log again because you have to look slightly harder for the pearls. So why would he ever? I ordered garlic and herb Landau Lake Spread. I got butter with canola oil. Awesome. Now I have a third container of butter in my fridge. And I actually messaged him and said, hey, can you just not substitute that one and refund me if you can't find the garlic and herb?

Great. And then the one thing I actually ordered specifically was the store brand Italian seasoning. So, yeah. I'm going to need that update to where I can request a female. I ordered tampons and was subsidized. substituted white mushrooms. I have been telling this story for like four years because I'm still The answer for it has to be. I do think this type of issue is a Amalgamation of a lot of

Factor I think what makes it so interesting to talk about is that it's a you know Combination of a lot of different things if you just scroll up a little bit Jacob There is so like my last lady shopper message me concerned that the grapes didn't look good and she didn't want me to have bad ones Meanwhile, the dude brought me expired lunch meat. And then if you scroll up to the very top, it's like I had a lady dasher who once asked me if I wanted Parmesan because it was on sale and she thought it would go well with what else I had ordered. I guess the thing that I'm curious about is that under the presumption that men are doing the easy thing that's less work. This woman said, I want tampons. And then the replacement was mushrooms.

Just they're there they're supposed to scan the tampons, but then you're like, I can't find the tampons and it's like well, here's the mushrooms and they're like well, I can scan the mushrooms. Yes. The thing I want to wrap up with on this woman's TikTok is that I do think that like her frustration is valid because now what's happening is this person because all the items are like close to but not exactly. They're like the substitute items and the person is not looking hard for the pearls. They're just saying I see the other thing here. I'm going to scan that and then I can move on. So that is a way for this like man to, to cut, it's a way for the shopper to cut corners. No, under the knowledge that like, you know, under the assumption that like, whatever.

I'm in charge. No, I'm not going to get in trouble. Like, yes, like, because we were looking at this long thread of like, how do you even do this? And I absolutely think it's just, they said can't find it. Their replacement was easier to find. Boom, they scans it. A man gets to be a dumb automaton that just like scan. and doesn't like investigate, right?

I completely understand feeling frustrated with the incompetence of someone that you're relying on for groceries or Uber ride or whatever. Every male bartender I've ever worked with is less diligent and works less hard than every female bartender I've ever worked with because the stakes of failure or the stakes of under delivery in the case of like if I pour a bad pint, someone will walk up and be like, make, make this is shit. Okay, and I'll just remake it. Or they won't say anything. In the case where a lot of my friends who would buy and our women, the cocktail they make is perceived as like insubstantial or not enough booze in it usually. A female driver maybe is working harder because they know that if the, like Jarvis was saying before, if there's a man who ordered the groceries,

they could become aggressive for any. Perceived fault. That is the thing. It's like the fact that men can become like historically and on average, this is just like we know this. Men can be are far more likely to become instantly aggressive. Yeah. And a danger.

And not be punished for it very often. And not be punished for it. Then that creates a culture of fear and also, you know, women feeling like they need to conform, need to cater to men's volatile feelings. But this is also part of American society where women feel less able to ask for raises, work harder with less compensation, don't get managerial positions as often,

like, yet continue to work harder and harder and harder. Also, the leash for these women because we live in this patriarchal structure can still be shorter despite that. So it's like I have been in workplaces before where I felt like I was not ever at risk of being fired even if I did less work. Yeah. But I would not be surprised if the, you know, a lot of management teams in C suites and executives tend to skew mail.

Yeah. Like have a looser leash for. men, boys will be boys type culture, then for women might be more micromanagers. So it's like you're surrounded, you know, by all sides of like just a double standard. When I worked at SFMOMA, my, like that museum when I worked there was like 90% female staff. It was like overwhelmingly female. Guess the majority of heads of departments guess their gender. The majority of heads of departments were male. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it was so hard for women to get raises and get, uh, get promoted to managerial positions there. And it was like 90% women. It's so insane.

I mean, there's, it's like the impossible, uh, the bear trap of, uh, gender expectation is not just that people have to conform to, uh, what they're assigned and that any deviation from that is, punished or like disincentivized, that itself is only really a problem. Well, not only really a problem. No one should be obliged to perform any particular way. But the reason that it creates so much suffering is because men got all the good cards. Yeah. The way we are obliged, we are rewarded or incentivized to, push for what we want,

be uncompromising Yeah Get like Men get angry They're passionate They're passionate They're yeah It's like

Fervor Women's emotional Volatile It's like if it was like A woman Is a morally Worst person For enjoying their meal

I do I do though Have to say that like I did And maybe this is mistakenly A lot of this stuff In my mind is table sticks

Because it's like Feminism 101 Yeah And it didn't feel like We needed Yeah That's what I mean when I'm rambly saying. Like, at your Thanksgiving dinner table, you've been talking to your annoying uncle.

Yeah, like I had to explain, like, I had to kindly explain to, you know, my, my friend's teenage cousin that, like, it was like that white supremacy was a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, but I'm going to hold your hand while I say this. Yes. Like, because I don't want to, I want him to be open to hearing me out. If we say like, we reference Black Lives Matter, right? If we make that reference, there is so much like reestablished lore, if I say it in this room.

There is so much like understanding you once is understanding the story that happened, the chronology of it. There are so many people that if you say the words, Black Lives Matter, they go, well, all lives matter. I'm like, okay, to these, us in this room, we know the conversations of saying that. We know what people are talking about. We understand the reference they're making, and we know the fact that it's weaponized and that it, like, later, it's like a Blue Lives Matter is in the same vein as if I say ACAB, people are like,

my son is a cop. Or if you know what I mean? If something happens, do you say Mom Donnie's America or Mom Donnie's New York as a joke, it's like, okay, well, I know my audience and what they're going to take from that versus if I say that in a context where I don't know the audience. that might be taken out of context.

Official PR statement validated by my legal team, I think that men are overwhelmingly placed in a position of comfort and absent-mindedness, which has been afforded to them by a lifetime of privilege and preferential treatment. And overwhelmingly, especially with things that they won't be punished for, men will put in the least amount of effort just as anyone at the height of privilege would your manager works less than you because they won't get fired as fast as you will.

All right, so that about does it for this episode, but a couple things, we're heading over to Sad Boys Nights where we're going to play a lighthearted game, hang around, keep chilling. Dipper might still be asleep on the couch, let's find out. I got my bit. And also our live show is sold out.

So thank you for that. That is on January 11th. But we are recording the show and it will be available on our Patreon. So look out for that. And but hey, you know, what is it? It's a discretional entertainment spending. Don't even worry about it. It's just content at the end of the day.

And that's all. We'll see you over there or we'll see you next time. Thank you, Anastasia and Jacob, for your lovely contributions, as always. And thank you, Jarvis, for holding it down. No one else. Okay. No one else. All right. We end every episode of Sad Boys.

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