Sad Boyz - We Forced Rhett To Watch Skibidi Toilet

Episode Date: November 18, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. Howdy. I'm every episode. But you were sideways that time. Yeah, I don't know why you had to do it like that. It's a really heavy whip. Okay, it's a heavy whip. He's trying to bring back Howdy. Maybe... I have brought back Howdy. We're joined today by a very special guest, Rhett McLaughlin. Howdy. Did I pronounce your last name right? Hey, it's catching on. How was it? It much better. Rhett, yes, that's right. But no, I, yeah. McGough-Clyne? You said McLaughlin? Yeah.

Yeah, that's- Is it McLaughlin? No, so, I mean, here's how I see this. All right. McLaughlin is the way that us McLaughlin say it. I see. But I'm pretty sure we say it wrong. Do you know what I mean? Right.

So it's right and wrong at the same time. Right, and when you say we- I've heard about you guys. Yeah, yeah. And when you say we, you're inviting us to your family. Yes, of course. Oh my gosh. This means so much, I'll pass.

Well, so pre-pandemic we went to, I took all the McLaughlins, so my family, my brother, his wife and kids, and my parents to Scotland, because I thought that we were Scottish. It turns out we're probably Irish. It took going to Scotland and my mother breaking her ankle at our ancestral castle. Oh. We're like, okay.

I've never been able to trace the name back. Right. But I just was like, oh, McLaughlin comes from McLaughlin, comes from Loughlin, and there was a lachlan castle that was just ruins in scotland and i was like let's just go like let's do the whole thing let's get the kilts and let's take pictures next to this thing it's like just why not yeah when are we all going to be together right and like the guy sort of taking us around the castle was like yeah based on your spelling it's probably the irish side there was a point in which that they split and based on that l-a-u-g-h wow that's probably irish i there's got to be an easier way

to do it because then we just you know what i? Can we just agree to go call them Irish-land? Also people's like names change when they immigrate a lot of times too, and spellings switch around to make them more like American, easily palatable. People can know this now. My last name, my middle name is Adika, my last name is Cope. I found out that Cope was changed to Cope from Cooper just by accident right like two generations ago like quite well they missed a p and a embarrassing yeah it was like they ran out of ink at the typewriter or something yeah they may be a company they were like jordan kirk oh that'd be pretty cool i there is a very strange corner of youtube that i got recommended recently that I thought was kind of rude and inappropriate.

Ugly guy YouTube. Okay, so I recently was on Keith Eats the Menu with the Try Guys with Keith Habersberger. And the reason I say his last name is because I got recommended a video that was like, is Keith from the Try Guys one of the Habsburgs? And it was like a photo of like, you know, the family that has the, you know, like the, there's like the, this is mean. This is why it's like mean-spirited. It's like, there's like the Habsburg jaw where it's like,

oh, there was so much incest within this family that they like look weird. And then they were like,ith looks weird and i'm like don't do that and then then the answer was no by the way yeah yeah it turns out he's not yeah so leave keith out of this just taking a thumbnail of a good looking guy and being like is he good looking it's all fucked up and i i wouldn't have uh mentioned this if i hadn't seen keith talk about this on a podcast like where he would like he was like i figure we must be related or something like that but it was someone who went through his family tree which i was like i don't i think that's a little invasive to go to

someone else's i had someone do this no and they could they could have told you about the irish connection yeah it didn't even help yeah i can't remember how I found out about this, but I had done the, I guess, Ancestry.com thing. Yeah, yeah. And done a little bit of poking around and realized that I got back to early 1800s rural Georgia. That was as far back, and it was like then the people didn't have any

records right once it gets too irish yeah exactly right it was like yes i don't know how to write yeah it was funny because it was like both on both sides oh it kind of went back to like so my parents were probably i'm probably very inbred i guess is ultimately what i learned but in the process i don't remember like some guy tweeted and he had because you can if you know someone's name and you know someone's like parents name yeah you can kind of start piecing it together yeah like done it and tweeted about it basically got as far back as i did but i was like i don't is this an invasion of privacy and it's a hobby that people have.

Like I, we worked with somebody who I'm not gonna put on blast, but she did it only for friends who asked for it. Who was really into genealogy. The person that we're talking about was obsessed with getting me to do 23andMe or ancestry.com. Yeah, I had that happen to me too. Did you cave? Did you do it?

No, I did's um i'm off the grid yeah i did it for the reason that um well one morbid curiosity two i'm like whatever a company can have my dna it's fine uh i totally understand what a lot of people don't want to do that and i also i knew like hypothetically that I had a white dad, but I was kind of wanted some sort of something akin to science to confirm. Right. Cause I didn't grow up with my father knowing who that was. My birth mother doesn't know who it is.

You want a prescribed. Yeah. So I was like, Oh, but then, you know, I found out that I'm half British and now I have more in common with this guy. And so I see, yeah, it brings people together. Yeah. In my wife's case, she, she did it and she got her parents to do it. And she found out that a grandfather on her mom's side

and grandfather on her dad's side, both sides were not her actual grandfathers. Whoa. What? Doesn't Oprah do this too? i feel like every now and again i see a headline that's like um this famous actress finds out that they're connected to something horrible that's her version of like ellen jumping and no but anyway yeah sorry not to derail this but yeah it'll be like uh your great-great-grandfather was a Confederate general or something like that.

Yeah. And it's like, what am I supposed to do about that? And it's like, well, I didn't know. Yeah. It's like, I'm not responsible. He just canceled. He acknowledged it. I condemn that.

Yeah. Hey, good or bad. No, it's so funny because I don't know about you, but yeah, I think because I don't have a lot of knowledge about my family history, I'm sure there's value to having that and you can feel like you're a part of something. But since I don't, I kind of am just like, I guess it starts from here. History starts from right here. Yeah, it's a totally different thing and if you know any um people people from the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints you know they're really into the genealogies because um they believe that you can essentially save people after they're dead so you can like baptize dead people ice to like get

them into heaven I don't know the details so I sold not their life right they died and so that's why like one of the men I don't know if like the Mormon Church is like behind ancestry comm or but I wouldn't be surprised if they are but I do know that like the best like records that go as far back as possible for like just like a population in the united states right it's mormon people fascinating because of like that practice well you got to figure out who your people are so you can pray for them i guess that makes sense that would i would that would still feel slightly invasive like if i was in purgatory it's like what if I don't want it?

You're blowing up my spot. Wait, who had my SSN? Yeah. Oh, send me back. Your identity gets stolen after you. Yeah. Wow. It's very accurate in my brain. I was thinking of purgatory as literally physically in between heaven and hell. Like a stalled elevator.

Yeah, it's like a floor that you've got to go between. Like a doctor's office and they make you refill the form you have to fill every time you go there i mean who's where you don't write this on a computer or something you uh right you're a southern gentleman right you grew up in the south yeah yeah we're i'm in my head i'm thinking north carolina but you mentioned well you're right okay born in georgia okay uh that's where like my family is from gotcha um but don't remember that much. Gotcha.

I was actually out here in Thousand Oaks, California, from like three to five or six, and then moved to North Carolina, 1984. That's where I met Link. That's where the story. Right. That's a lot of hoping around. Yeah.

My dad was trying to figure out what he was going to do with his life. He had been an attorney, and then he was like, I want to teach law. And his first job was at pepperdine oh in malibu so like going from small town south georgia to that's a culture shock in my head yeah i don't know it was and that's why they moved to north carolina because my mom was like i don't care about your sunshine and your sunglasses is your mom from north carolina she's care about your sunshine and your sunglasses. Is your mom from North Carolina?

She's from Georgia. So then he was like, I got to get a teaching job somewhere else. So there was a little law school, a little college in Buies Creek, North Carolina. Oh, cool. And that's where he was. He was there like from 84 until he retired two years later. Wow. Imagine you didn't move there and the show would be so weird.

It would be Link sat for half of the frame by himself. Everything would be the same except for you just wouldn't be there. Just the notorious red stick. Yeah. The red stick would definitely be there. And it would still be called the red stick

but we wouldn't know why. It's like, I don't know. I don't know. It just felt right. That's... Is this stick Irish? I feel like that's a good lesson though because especially if your dad was trying to figure out you know we're all in that situation where it's

like what am I going to do to to move across the country twice but then eventually land in a place that you retire and it's so seemingly like something was working about that yeah well and it's I mean it is the kind of thing that you start thinking about once you get to the life stage you realize when i'm not past the life stage that my dad was at when he made those decisions but it's like well that was kind of like in 1980 to be this guy that had basically been in georgia his whole life and then be like yeah we're gonna go to i'm gonna work in malibu california like that was just that's a big i mean kudos for giving it a shot and what's even the what what what are you being exposed to that even informs you on like like when i moved to the u.s i at

least had decades of media movies tv everything kind of saying hey this is what san francisco's yeah how do you find out about malibu in the 80s what do you think it is well i was trying to explain this to shepherd my 15 year old um because we went to uh we you know they did one of those it was the official premiere i guess of the hunger games but it was also kind of like it was at the chinese theater so like a lot of fans like a big yeah yeah premiere but like a cast was there and everybody's dressed up red carpet whole thing and um and we were driving back home and i was like what did you what do you think about that whole thing that we just did he was like um i don't know it all seems pretty vain. What is this?

Bass, that shit. When a kid's too profound, that's insane. Yeah, yeah, and I was like, well, it is. And then I was kind of trying to explain to him, I was like, well, see, there's like three perspectives. I'll get back to how this relates to the perception of Malibu. But I was like, you can,

like there's people who are usually in like three different states right when they're in that situation there's the people who are completely like held captive to this whole the game that everyone's playing and they don't know that it's a game but they're like really trying hard to look the right way be the right you know talk to the right people whatever be seen and this is probably like what 75 percent of the people there sure it's the only dialect they know right and then you've got the people who see it for what it is and sort of the vanity and they can't be a part of it and they hate being there and then i was like shepherd your dad me i am i am what i am in a third category

thanks to 23 and me i know i'm your dad um where i you're completely right i recognize the vanity in this whole thing, but something about like seeing, feeling like you kind of understand how much of a game it is. You can actually be like, this is ridiculous, but I can kind of still enjoy it. Right.

I think that's fair. Do you know what I mean? You like seeing like Peter Dinklage get up in front of, and like talk about the movie before. You're like, this is Peter Dinklage. Yeah.

I'm in the room with Peter Dinklage. Yeah, that fun and viola davis right you gotta do that right you know yeah and as arbitrary as enjoying anything like if i watch game of thrones i see peter dinklage and i go like but this didn't happen right yeah why am i enjoying this it's just you know yeah suspend the disbelief a little bit and just enjoy the fact that there's a big screen playing something yeah when i told him i was like you don't i was like you grew up in la because we moved here when he was two and i was like you like none of this feels he's been to premieres none of it feels i was like you understand if when i was 15 you took me from north carolina and you put me in this place i remember i had a cousin who i had never met it was a second cousin

and we found out when i was like 10 years old that he was in an Oscar Mayer Wiener commercial. And he was like this little boy on this lawn and there was a dog and he drops like the hot dog and the dog eats it or something. And- Quite the commercial. Yeah, it was great. I'm a fan.

Oscar Mayer Wiener. A dog will eat it. A hundred million Wieners sold. A dog will eat it. Even your dog likes them. Yeah, it wasn't a great concept. A dog will eat it. A dog will eat it. A hundred million wieners sold. A dog will eat it. Even your dog likes them. Yeah, it wasn't a great concept. But I remember thinking, he was on that, he's on that screen.

My cousin, that I've never met, still haven't met, was on that screen. And I was, and so these, and I was like, Shepherd, everybody you know closely has been on that screen, including you when you've like made appearances and stuff. So it doesn't mean anything, and it's also way easy to be on that screen now like anybody could you probably go

to high school with 10 people who like went viral for some reason at some point i was like but you gotta understand we thought differently about it so this is all like going to a movie and like seeing the people in the movie talk about the movie before the movie it like appeals to this kid from the 80s well i think we relate to that a lot because we've been talking about this lately because we both got into this biz later than. And I don't know when you guys started YouTube, like how old you were. So it was 06. So we were already like 29. I guess almost 30.

So this is similar because I started youtube when i was 26 and like i think that i was like more fully formed than the average like person nowadays who starts on on youtube so there's still like the versions of us that we're just fans of things that now we get to take part in yeah and there's like a little bit of like a passenger thing where it's like, you look at yourself from like a third person view and go, huh. And it's so easy to, unless you're very, very, very conscientious about it,

it's very easy to shift your standard on what is exciting and just say like, oh, well, this movie, not that many people care about this movie premiere, so I guess it's not actually good. Whereas like, I mean, we're actually, i don't think it'll come out yet but we're shooting something this thursday for friday friday yeah i should know uh wishing something this friday that is from uh our media organization that's like foundational for us right that we like have followed for a long time followed people who are involved with it the 50 of my humor and interest is formed by this okay yep and when the email was circulating

and it's like oh let's set that up let's figure it out it was there was a distance to it like getting a email offering an ad deal yes like oh it's just kind of this abstract admin thing and then i saw it on the calendar and i went like, no, but I'll physically, but I'll be there with my body and head. That's crazy that I'll be near the thing and people that meant something. And I could mention when I was, I don't know, like 16, 17. And when I was like 21, I always thought to myself, wow, if I told that teenager that i'm in the office if i'm in the mythical office right now right uh yeah that would be crazy and this is just like i'm just having a meeting with i mean the first time i had an experience like that it was uh

i so i used to do improv in san francisco and that's how anastasia and i my anastasia my producer um met and we used to be on an improv Francisco and that's how Anastasia and I, Anastasia, my producer, um, met. And we used to be on an improv team together and we performed every week or a couple of times a week. And, um, we performed at SF Sketch Fest and we like had passes to go to like the performer parties at Sketch Fest. And there are lots of like, you know, hometown talent at those parties, but then there's also people who come in from out of town, like big comedians and stuff. You know, it's like I saw like Gabrus at one of them. Or like people who's like, I listen to that person's podcast. I've been watching that person on, you know, this thing forever.

And the whole like, play it cool. You know, I act like you've been here before thing. It's so, yeah, it feels like a very out of body experience. And it's cool. You're allowed to, you can be as sort of aware. It's okay to enjoy it. In cynical or, you know, keep it at a distance or whatever. But it's also allowed, you're allowed to allow yourself to enjoy things.

And that is something I have to tell myself a lot because I am the type of person to, if I achieve anything in my life, I go, oh, well, it doesn't really, it's not really worth celebrating. I'm bad at celebrating. I do the same thing. Yeah. I minimize it. And, and that same thing applies to like those images of California, which defined the, every neighborhood and every movie, every TV show that we watched growing up. And then I just remember driving around Burbank like on one of those just like neighborhood streets

and it like clicked I was like oh this is this is every neighborhood from every show I ever watched yeah and it looks very it's so

oh the plants are so specific and there's like a random palm tree and right and there's still moments where that third person thing happens where even if I like just I wake up and just look out the window and it just is a very different it looks very different than north carolina right i'm kind of like i'm in california like it's a weird feeling like you

i'll always feel like i'm just a north carolina guy that's home and you're kind of usually like i'm i'm i'm in the place where the entertainment comes from. I'm still, I am such a little weirdo anytime I see a red fire hydrant or like a yellow school bus. I'm like, from the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the movie. Is that from the movie?

Am I absurd? You said this before, but like you as a younger person, like not idolized, but mythologized America before you like came before you came here i think there's still a uh at least like an aesthetic magic to seeing like there's just certain like uh iconic images vistas the hollywood sign still has like a little bit of magic hollywood sucks yeah yeah just seeing in isolation seeing a hollywood star walk of fame star you still oh it's you still go, oh, it's the.

It still has a little something. It feels like you're looking behind the scenes at like so many like like as people who've consumed so much media that it like defines a big aspect of your personality. It feels like you're looking behind the scenes at a part of your own life. Do you're like, oh, this is, the things that matter to me media wise, I can like peel back the curtain and kind of see the streets that they were walking on

or like the skies that they were seeing. And it's very weird. I don't know what like media set where either of you are from or familiar with, but like, do you ever watch something that's supposed to at least lightly represent where you're from or have lived a long time and you can see the little nuances the tiny little chips in the armor because you know it better than the oh yeah i mean as somebody from the south the number of shows or movies that get like north carolina right right it's not shot in

vancouver or something yeah trying to make it see and i mean the easiest thing is the is the accent right and i mean speaking of the hunger games like uh the lead actor in that she is you know it's like she's from District 12, I guess, which is the like, kind of like supposed to be like the South or West Virginia or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've only seen the first one and this one, but it was a prequel, so it was okay.

So it was okay to have missed everything in between. Yeah. But like, we were watching it and Link leans over and he's like, I think that this actor has the same, she must have had the same dialect coach as, what's her name from The Walking Dead, who was a British actor who played, like had a Georgia accent.

Right. I apologize. Because she sounded, but seriously, I mean, obviously the thing is is that, I can't tell you the number of times that I felt completely betrayed by finding out that someone who's actually doing an incredible accent is almost always British.

Yeah. A great Southern accent in particular. But I find that people from other places in the US, you can kind of just tell that, oh, I'm just never really believing. Like I couldn't believe, she's a great actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it was like, yeah, it looks like someone putting on an accent every single scene that's the thing that i'm finding out that house is british is breaks my brain i don't know how and you like house i adore house i adore pew laurie he's kind of i think so early black adder was a show that i grew up watching yeah and he's so fucking fantastic in there and he had fry and laurie right seeing him on house the first time i was like well hey we can do it hey we made it looks pretty cool but then um yeah people don't know he is people are surprised with benedict cumberbatch sometimes which surprises me because

he looks medically british yeah what is that name yeah it sounds like a chat gpt generator name for a british person it's one of those meta ai where it's mr beast face but they have to call him tyler or something so oh well yeah yeah literally um about that thing would like do they get the south right thing uh i have a not relating to the south but a little bit there's a movie so this is going to connect two things because on the point of like seeing places on the screen and then going there in real life the first time i had this was you know i grew up in florida in a college town like fairly sheltered about the world but then slowly as i like made more friends who were like for example i don't know if i was gonna say famously i don't know if i've talked about on the podcast before i think i have i found out about georgia tech which is like i so i went to georgia tech in atlanta uh from

florida and that was the first time I left the state. And the reason I applied to Georgia Tech was because my friend Russell visited there and said, you'd like it. And I was like, good enough for me. That's all it took sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I didn't have the ability to go around and visit colleges and stuff. The same process as like a medieval fiefdom. Yeah.

Have you heard of Londinonium my whole life i was like population of 300 my whole life i was like i'll just go to the university of florida which was in my hometown and if that had happened i never would have left and uh and then i get to tech and then there's another sort of layer of like unraveling the world where we have our first career fair and Microsoft is there and Google is there and Facebook is there and this was like back when Facebook was cool so it was a long time ago and it was like during the imagine the social network um and I was like those are places on the internet you can have a job right right right or is it in person on the internet you just decide and then the next layer was like I interned at google as like a software engineer my sophomore year of

college and i like went to the like campus and i was like this is and then they also it was at the time where um i think it's very good that tech has been knocked down a peg but pr for tech at the time was at unprecedented levels of they've got ball pits, they've got sleeping pods, they've got free meals. Some of the names of these jobs are so whimsical. Yeah. And that was the thing. It was like, oh my God, I would love to play Nerf wars with my coworkers. You don't need health insurance. We're having fun. So I went to georgia for college and then i interned at google my sophomore year of college and also my sophomore year of college

they um while i was out interning they were filming they were filming the movie no one's gonna know this movie. Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson, The Internship. Oh, yeah. So this movie is about Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson getting an internship at Google. Very specific to my life experience. And where was that movie shot? It was partly shot on the Google campus in Mountain View, California. And the other place it was shot was the campus of Georgia Tech by Alva Monter.

So we all got together and watched that movie when it came out and it was the strangest there was no way for me to like suspend disbelief in that movie because i'm constantly watching them open doors in california and then walk into rooms in georgia and i'm like i'm like uh uh i'm like that cab is an atlanta cab that that's a prius that's in mountain you're in a very small target audience that is like the anti-target audience for that movie. Right, they're like, what if someone knows these places? They're like, well, that person, we don't care about them.

Don't worry about it. Yeah. Because that, becoming familiar with LA, then you start seeing how often it's just like, oh, this person walks across the street and they're an hour drive away like that's happens all the time now and in atlanta there's a little bit of it because it's got so much stuff is shot there and especially like you know avengers shot a bunch of stuff in atlanta a lot

of the marvel movies especially back in the early days so georgia has like big tax cuts on production yeah like uh walking dead i think it was shot there um but there's a there's a i think it's a scene in i i think it's a scene in avengers one of those movies they're eat they're eating brunch uh at just random random cafe but it was silver skillet this like incredible this incredible like soul food um brunch spot where it's like all, I feel like grandmas work there and they all cook. They're like, we've banned, we are the Avengers of grandmas and we're going to cook the like most delicious food you've ever had. And I just, me and my like friends would go there a lot on the weekends. And I was like, let's overkill it.

And that was like, I hadn't even been to California, I think at that point, but I was just like, that's my, that's from my life. Yeah. There's other people going to that place elsewhere and going like, that's the scene from Iron Man 2 where he discovers that he has poisoning from the intestine in his chest. Nick Fury and Black Widow are there. Oh, yeah. In the first appearance of Black Widow.

Exactly. They say that. Exactly. They do say that. Also, the Joker stares. There's that meme from the Joaquoenix joker where he like does the dance on the stairs right yes and then everybody started going to the must be a nightmare to go oh yeah or uh like it's like abby road trying to go up those stairs oh yeah they shot

part of dark night at um carnegie mellon university in pittsburgh i don't know why the scene where i guess it's gd yeah yeah i don't know why, but that's where Russell, my friend, who told me I should go to Georgia Tech, went to school. He said, you should go to Georgia Tech. Yeah. Well, I actually applied. We both applied to Carnegie Mellon. I didn't get in.

It was a blessing in disguise, but definitely felt, I still feel it to this day, a little chip on my shoulder. Yeah, but I mean, the Carnegie Mellon basketball team, you're not going to that game no no right three i think it is but then georgia uh georgia tech yellow jackets i could go to lots of d1 basketball and football games let me tell you um what's fun is that i i can just with impunity say yeah yeah no the nfl wanted me actually but it was i'm british i couldn't right you weren't allowed there was there's no way for me to do but it was, I'm British. I couldn't go. Right, you weren't allowed. There was no way for me to do it.

It's my keys. That's funny because there literally are stories of NBA players who it's like, this person was playing basketball in Africa with like a wicker basket. Oh, yeah. And a scout saw it and was like, I will fly. I will get you a scholarship to a school in America. And we will train you to become the best basketball player the world has ever seen. Oh, they must have missed me. Yeah. Or it's because i'm not athletic and i'm bad at basketball it's no no that's definitely the former um did you play basketball for obvious reasons i did i uh

i thought that was gonna be like in high school i was like this is my my my future college basketball oh cool um and then junior year in high school link and i started a band that was our sort of first like formal and formalized entertainment venture yeah was our Christian genre-less band that might sing a country song, might sing a punk song. Like literally. You can't define us. You didn't know. As long as somehow it got back to Jesus.

It's like creed. Yeah. All paths lead to Jesus. So then when we started that band and we were kind of like, we're going to be rock stars. That's what we're going to be. So I'm definitely not going to college to play basketball right d2 d3 yeah yeah i'm getting a christian rock scholarship well you know what you can probably

do that there's a school in um what is it there's a school in nashville which makes sense i think it's called belmont okay which is like nick went it's very much like a christian music school so like if you're i mean i don't know how much it that's the path there anymore but like 15 20 years ago it was like you want to be in christian music go to belmont because you'll either be a musician or you'll be like an executive right Jacob google Nick is not green college um google address yeah I would text him uh yeah Belmont University National University yeah see I knew it um is he a Christian rock musician I mean he is he is a touring musician right now I think he's talked in the past he that's like a christian background he does yeah i think he actually he's spoken publicly i think as well about how

you know you and link's experience with religion has like been really helpful for him navigating his own faith so that's you know that must be feedback or detrimental depending on your in the eyes of the church yeah yeah you mean, you must get that feedback a lot, right? That it's been good or bad, yeah. A lot of fans reaching out and saying, hey, this didn't meet the validation. Yeah, it's... Because it's so personal for people,

yeah, I think there's a lot of people who would never in a million years comment on something or DM you just to say, I loved it when Link dressed up like a fountain and peed chocolate into your mouth. Yeah, yeah. He might not be the kind of thing. We gotta get this guy off the show. Okay, yeah.

Delete it, delete it. But if they're like, oh, I felt like you articulated something that i was feeling or like i have a similar background or i'm struggling with something like that like yeah people tend to give in and that was like not an expected that's been the that's been like one of the good things about having like opened up about it right the negative part is just like you know you've now you've kind of like there's this little flag that you're waving, which is that you're approximating this much more complex idea of what you're trying to say. But then when you say something,

someone can poke holes in your logic. Oh, yeah. And that's been like, there's been a lot of growth. That's because we talked, we like first kind of told our story in 2020. There's been a lot of growth in like, I think immediately, like once a lot of the attacks started happening,

like it was encouraging stuff, there was attacks you've immediately wanted to defend yourself and be like no this let me explain what i meant this is not like what i meant which is giving them more credit than they deserve because it's not a pardon the pun good faith argument that they're right yeah and so what i've tried to do is like anytime i talk about it publicly what who i have in mind is me from 15 years ago. Somebody who is like genuinely like a fervent believer in traditional Christian religion, but also like open to like,

if I'm wrong, I kinda wanna be shown that I'm wrong. Right. Or if there's something that can be challenged. I'm not trying to talk people out of anything, but just like, you know, just consider it honestly or whatever. So try to be like yeah i'm not going to like get into the uh just a very unproductive dialogue that tends to happen on the internet people misunderstanding and thinking it is a dialogue right yeah yeah yeah oh no i actually oh no this wasn't a conversation a sharing of

experience is not always up for debate yeah right um the well there's a couple of different directions i wanted to go because one is i just wanted to make a point way back when you were talking about your son was it shepherd shepherd yeah yeah uh you know saying calling out a premiere event for being vain that's i think a good thing that you can have some cynicism around that it is i'm sure a relief as far as like especially growing up in that environment yeah yeah well and also too because even in you know when he was born i was still in this place where i was like i i need to pass my faith onto this kid, both of my kids and Shepherd being so young.

We ended up basically deconstructing both me and my wife before he could really remember. And so we weren't like, he wasn't raised in a Christian household. Right, right. But because of my background, I'm still programmed to believe that recognizing the vanity of a hollywood event

is a christian value okay yeah um i didn't yeah i didn't even think about that but but in interest in it okay it is it is but also it's just sort of like a human value to recognize the emptiness of superficial pursuits right that's correlation not causation yeah yeah anyone that's not christian he hasn't been like going to church and or christian camps or anything like that we've he's just been in a family that loves him yeah and he like picked up on this stuff on his own so yeah it was a good good moment for me that's cool like uh because i think also because there's such a narrative always about you know kids who come from you know privileged backgrounds being like out of touch or whatever and i'm like that's i feel like that actually falls so much on the

parenting and so it's really just a compliment to you know i'm taking all the credit okay i was gonna i was gonna offer it to you know the two partners that are involved in raising. Yeah, it's mostly my wife. We're actually fine with it being both of you. Or just luck. Were we involved? Did we contribute at all, do you think? In spirit, I think.

Yeah, somehow retroactively. Yeah, retroactively. I'll tell them about it. Time traveled. I've been talking to him about the hunger games the other thing was connecting you know uh music christianity performance to not only retin link the entity but now james and the shame uh is this like um like this is like your uh it is a solo venture right it is okay yeah it's completely outside of mythical yeah yeah um i kind of call it nights and weekends uh you know it in you know there are

times when i'm like working on it and then there are times when i'm not thinking about it at all um but it's very much a um i would say that like it's my my hobby sure that just happens to also be an entertainment outlet but is there a part oh sorry i was gonna say i mean does it feel different now that you are publishing things and it is you know not exclusively a hobby it's not part of mythical but it is part of the moment The moments where I feel like I'm getting pulled into having to do the things that an independent musician would need to do in order to get people to care about their music is the moment where it gets to be not very fun for me. Cause I'm like,

my whole life is trying to get people to care about the things that I'm saying on the internet and all these different places. Right. And there is overlap in terms of the ways that you have to do those types of things yeah and so because the the music is uh supposed to be like ideally idealistically it would be 100 percent like um like a personal like an expression people might be like why don't you just write the songs and just record them and never put them out or why do you just write the song it's like well the process of writing the songs was therapeutic the process of recording the songs is like a fun legitimate

thing as a musician and the process of releasing it into the world is kind of this like whoever will connect with this let them connect with it yeah but then the next step which is like i have to make this work financially i have to devote a lot of time to this like that's not the goal with it's not supposed to supplant anything that i'm doing with mythical in fact you're supposed to like kind of stay to the side because as you might guess like i'm pretty busy with mythical stuff but also you're allowed to have hobbies that don't you know uh turn a profit i think that this is like a culture that we exist in now where like it feels anything you're doing has to have like an end goal yeah in some and

there's a bit of a false like i feel like it can be a like it's easy to fall into that trap when it's something that other people are doing for a job no one's like you need to turn this crochet thing into a big business right but or you need to uh you need to turn reading these romance novels or whatever on the weekends into a into a business but yeah when someone has a career doing that thing and you see someone doing it they connect those dots and it doesn't always have to be that it could just be to like for your own expression well and i think there's also people who are like um i and people will actually articulate this like this feels like it's a threat to the thing that i'd really enjoy from you which is the stuff you do with link right

oh right and so it's like i have trouble one good thing about it is when you do like country you're kind of you're the funnel is a little bit narrower when you do country that's about deconstructing from christianity you get make it it's so niche that there's not a lot of risk of it taking off i'm saying there's none of the none of the tissue that was in mythical is being like extracted right but there are people who are who are kind of like they see it that way they're like well you're an entertainer so you're doing this thing that is entertaining so this must be so you can stop doing this other stuff like a zero-sum game yeah it's so parasocial too because it's it's so funny to be like well how does this impact the thing I watch when I'm enjoying my midday snack?

You know what I mean? Yeah. But I put you on when I'm eating. No, does this fuck that up? You know what I mean? And even, you know, if you write a song that's a little less explicit in its subject matter like and i don't mean you know cursing or whatever i mean like yeah it's not like a straightforward whatever obvious yeah so i there's a song on the ep that just came out that i invited link to sing and i knew that

getting linked to sing with me was going to make all the mythical people excited and that and that wasn't what i did i did it because i was singing about this situation that he and I had both been involved in. Yeah. That I will never like talk about publicly because it's just like a private thing between us and friends and stuff. But the course of the song is, I think I'm supposed to like this,

but I'm pretty sure I just found out that I don't or whatever. And so the number of people who are like, he's talking about GMM. He's talking about GMM, because he said it was something he and Link are involved in and he's basically in a song admitting that he just doesn't like GMM.

He doesn't like doing GMM. And I'm just like, it is okay to think this. Sure. But now you're gonna like publish your opinion in a comment like this is your your theory is like you separate the art from the artist you can't then bring it back to the artist yeah because they have a dialogue by themselves they come back they're like this is about trump right wait what happened i think it's so funny too because like it ignores the fact that you and link have a relationship outside of mythical you know like you could have shared experiences that

everyone else wasn't in on because they're only working with the experiences that they know about which is not your entire life experience you know it's 100 of their experience of you right but not 100 of like i mean if you didn't say publicly that you had kids, I don't think they would just intuit. Well, I guess he's, did he read Bedtime Story? How do the kids impact the GMM schedule? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Do they work on the show?

Well, and the tricky thing is like, just a second ago, you were saying, I don't know if I've said this on the podcast, which is like, that is, I don't know if I've said this on the internet and I don't know which property I said it, right? Like that happens all the time. But there's also this thing of that perception that people, the people watching you on the internet, like they don't know you, they know the curated you, that they, based on a lot of their experience

and the things that connect and the way they interpret everything that you do but the thing that i'm sure you guys also struggle with is like you know one of the keys to happiness i'm learning is sort of finding a way to detach from those labels and that idea the projection of yourself that people have of you which is just something if you're not in entertainment, you already have to deal with this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like whatever personality you've constructed

to be this thing that is presented to people. But when your identity, for the vast majority of people who know me, or know of me, know the projected me, versus the very small amount of people who know me personally. Right, right. And it's just like how do you stop

from over identifying from that? I think that's, I mean, and that's, a lot of people don't. A lot of people don't ever make that detachment. And that's why when it falls apart, when you become irrelevant or whatever happens, which happens to anyone who is relevant at one point will become irrelevant at another point, then this part of you dies you know what i mean you gotta yeah go through that grapple with that

i mean we met you know mentioned earlier that we all know some people that got very successful very young uh in a public forum and i've had a conversation with a few of my friends that are you know a handful of years younger than me and got famous on the internet like 20 years old. Yeah. And in some cases, I've seen them really agonized over something that, you know, without being patronizing, seems pretty minor. Seems like just like a logistical error or a comment they didn't like or something like that. And I think a part of your brain can break when your entire relationship with your own personality is what you publish of it. Yes.

Whatever is known about me, I'm defined only by public events or public things that happen. It's like, do I even enjoy skateboarding if it isn't recorded? Do I even like cooking if I didn't share it with my picture? Or the one time you said that you like beans a lot and then it just became and i do like beans nothing wrong with beans i eat beans quite a bit i've heard this claim yeah but i don't love beans as much as the image of me loving beans seems to yeah portray does that make sense he's talking about link it's it's the beans is my nickname for link is you got it it's uh i feel like the relatable the more relatable version

of this is like when your family doesn't know what to get you for like a holiday and then they're like he likes garfield right and then they get you like garfield comics garfield socks or like it looks like i love her yeah more than i actually did and then you're like you're you're trying to be nice and you say this is great this is great this is great i did a great job i got it i knew garfield and i went with it for years that'll happen right and i thought you look you look yeah yeah yeah 15 years of just i'm a big jim davis guy yeah i guess never never reveal it and then you're like uh you know you're 40 and you're talking to your mom and you're like i never did really like garfield and it's like what

that was actually a projection it kind of became bigger than me and i just had to run with it yeah oh i mean yeah interpersonally i mean i'm sure this is your case as well because i don't know if there's a lot of people where you are from that you stay in touch with or not outside of family is that um a fair amount yeah and um those relationships are really important right like so link and i have recently kind of reconnected like since covid we started connecting with like guys that we were close with in college. We kept up with them, major life events, that kind of thing, but then we were like, let's start, let's get on a Zoom call every week

during COVID. Now we don't do that anymore. But what that turned into is an annual, very typical, these five guys get together and go whitewater rafting or something like that. And those people who were friends with you and lived with you, like everybody in this group except for one guy, like lived, we lived together.

Right. I think having those relationships that are just based on not like the ones that happened before your life stage now. I mean, I'm thankful that, I i couldn't imagine and i'm this is probably the case for most people uh is because i've just been married for so long we got like i fell in love with my wife and got married before any of this stuff happened right i could imagine navigating new relationships in this in this setting right yeah like that's a whole thing and for me is the version you are now like

none of the archive experience i'm sure like it's almost like knowing an acronym where you just say it and because the other person was with you 10 years ago they're like oh of course yes i remember that trip yeah right ah the tennessee trip of course we're on the same page. I met my current partner a year ago, the very first time we met. We started dating 10, 9 months, 9, 10. I obviously remember. You're just trying to throw everyone else off. Who cares? And name.

I just remembered. Yes, definitely. I texted it to you. Sorry, it's about something else. Oh, God. But there are, now and then I will realize I'll reference something that is from more than 10 months ago. Yeah.

And I'll go like, oh. In fact, I mentioned obviously in the past that I had worked in tech because when we first began to know each other, like how long you've been in LA, et cetera. And I'd mentioned, well, I worked in tech after college and then college, I was still back in the UK. And a few months later, she mentioned that her dad was saying, hey, maybe you should get into engineering or coding

because she's sharp scooping numbers. This could be interesting. And I was like, do you think, what do you think of that? Is that like, oh, I can't code. Oh, no, no, no, no no no no no oh god no i was my job was riz i just i did meetings and like managed things can't type a line i truly can't and she went like oh but you said tech i'm like right yeah that was you got to catch you up a little bit that was insular if you say it's like uh if you say the industry here right you know

it's like it's not mining. They're talking about Hollywood, talking about production. And I realized if you had known me a year ago, more than a year, maybe you knew San Francisco a little better, then that would all be there. It was just back in the UK. And my best friend, when I was a kid, I mentioned it to him. And he was like, he knows what tech is because we've been mentioning it for a decade.

He doesn't work in tech, never has, but he knows what I'm talking about. And you can, with a relationship, it's like, oh wow, what an intimate connection we have and you know less about me than my barista. Right. Yeah. I can code by the way.

For anybody who's curious, that was my job. Yeah, me as well actually. That was my gig. I took a semester of c++ oh yeah you realized it's for babies you know yeah c++ uh i tried to learn when i was 16 me and my friend russell shout out he's getting a lot of shout outs today we tried to learn it together and it is a now in retrospect i can say this terrible first programming language to learn yeah terrible first programming language to teach i know there's a lot of people this is a very specific shout out there's a lot of people out there who have to take java as their first programming language and that but you there's so much freaking you gotta type that you don't know what it means

public static void main of course course. Open parentheses string array. What does any of that mean? I think this is why neither of us got into it. We probably identified this as dumb. It's for losers. We're cool. Yeah, yeah. As I was being introduced to coding, I was like, this is not the type of engineering that I want to do.

You did civil. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Nothing against civil engineering and nothing against water resources concentration of civil engineering. Well, we've already had them at our back,

so we should be careful with them. They're pretty intense. I think it's the easiest. I think I found the path of least resistance. And I thought I wanted to be an architect. And then somebody was like, design school is really like, those kids are never having fun.

They're just constantly doing projects. Right. So I was like, okay, I'll do the engineering side of architecture. I'll do structural engineering. Took one class in structural engineering. I was like, this seems really boring. Like what's happening inside a beam that's not

moving right i can imagine and if it's boring for you that's the stuff that makes buildings not collapse yeah you want the person who gets into that to care about that meme yeah and so then i'm like you don't want your surgeon to get bored because your heart's in the same place as yeah i was like aorta whatever dude yeah just cut it open why is everyone doing this and eventually worked my way to like just designing dams and drainage systems which is also boring just so i understand but very necessary i'm glad there are people who are really into it i think it's it being boring when it's successful because nothing happens that's the good thing yeah it's exciting when it goes really wrong yeah you don't it's like they um an american

football reference the long snapper the guy who just hikes the ball like the the you're not supposed to hear his name during the game you know i'm saying if you hear his name he made a mistake yeah i was like good plastic surgery yeah you don't want to know the engineer that was that was my man dagan in high school. Shout out Dagan. Oh. We can agree with that. Yeah, Dagan. Shout out to the civil engineering board of squad. Well, the crazy thing is that this past June,

Link and I gave the commencement addresses at our respective engineering. So I did the civil engineering, like the construction and civil engineering engineering commencement which i think they may have not even had commencement like it's not like the main school thing right i don't think they usually have like somebody from the outside get up and speak i think that was a it was a new thing did you how long was that a hundred percent of as your career before? I think it may have been, it was less than two years. Because we had a very ridiculous path to full-time entertainment, which also involved going and working. This is the part of the story that was always glossed over

in every interview before 2020, because we didn't want to have to talk about we get into the somewhat confusing details of like being involved in like a christian campus ministry for a while and that was our start in comedy that conversation came way later like you were saying right yeah because because i guess it was 2003 graduated 2000 2000 2003 we started so maybe like two and a half years i was an engineer yeah yeah before we did our you know campus before you were like how many how about i engineer how many shirts i can fit on this guy exactly yeah i can do this with a beam we have a live show coming up if you're watching this sometime before December 3rd at 4 p.m. and you're in Los Angeles, you should head on over to the Hayworth Theater, Dynasty Typewriter.

Come see us live with some friends. We have not announced who, but I think you'll know who they are. And also, we've got merch. Jarvis.store, new merch drop. Beautiful, beautiful articles of clothing. We wore them last week. Also for Black Friday, this purple shirt will be restocked. And that's all. I wore that exact purple shirt on Good Mythical Morning. I got lots of compliments.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for making great apparel. I love. I'm so proud of this stuff because it's stuff that i just wear all the time but then i worry that it's weird for me to wear my own merch that was a conversation that we had for about a year uh and then it was funny i would see other creators who wore their own merch and i would judge them harshly and then i've moved so far beyond that i mean i sometimes feel weird because most of the merch i have is from friends and it's all of the most comfortable stuff i own so i find myself just i've worn uh jakey's hoodie

at my worst yeah just at my like i'm so tired i'm so jet lagged i'm just snuggled up in the warm embrace of nakey jakey yeah i mean i am jakey's album right now just laying down on the ground um we were gonna work up to this but uh i think there's been an a very interesting development on YouTube. And I asked before the show if you had heard of this thing. And just, you know, you've been on YouTube pretty much since the beginning of the platform. And what if I told you that there is a new king in town? We're talking 3 billion views a month. No. Yeah, 35 million subscribers right here

yeah uh this guy yeah um oh so you pulled up the analytics it is less we checked out boys it is less yeah um so there is a series i think it's primarily popular with like the younger generation but there's more than meets the eye but it is going to be i don't want to give you any other context i'm just going to show you this this video this is skibbity toilet part one i think that's actually going to be the whole first season that we start with but uh the the original upload of this has 120 million views in what in what year was this year this year it's all happened all happened this by the way the channel blew up it got all 30 million of those subscribers in the last since may okay okay i have i have some guests but i don't i'm not going to

say anything okay cool cool and bear in mind that it's performance versus your own is a meritocracy yeah it means you're worse than what this yeah yeah right yeah i've already i'm emotionally prepared for that what the heck is going on on you so that was episode one. This is actually a bunch of episodes back to back, but do you have any? That was episode one. That was episode one.

The credits, we skipped the credits. Okay. First of all, love it. Nice. Catchy. Am I supposed to know the language that is being spoken no actually the i will say because i will say because this will not give you any additional context the song is a mix it's a mash-up between the timbaland song featuring nelly fratato give it to me and some like swedish song

uh gives it to me it's something something, something, yes, yes, or whatever. But I don't know. I don't know what the actual song is, but that doesn't matter. But I do know the melody is from the Timbaland song. Does that help? Yeah, it helps a lot. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. So, so this is an upload of normally this is in shorts. And I just figured for the cinematography of this episode it'd be nice to have the the full screen uploads but jacob we can go ahead and play the rest of this is about to be you know each of these is maybe 15 20 seconds so we're going to watch the next 45 seconds which is going to be four episodes okay and then we're going to talk about it uh and then i'm going to show you episode 67 which is where it is today and i i want to like it's going to be different and so we'll see how we got to an evolution there's been an evolution yeah okay you can play jacob what the heck is going on on okay oh maybe it got claimed. Oh, yeah.

That one spot. Maybe skip to the third episode. What the heck is going on? What the heck is going on? Yes, yes. Skibbity-dum-a-dum-deem-deem. Skibbity-dum-a-dum-a-dum. Yes, yes.

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Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. it's links just in one of them okay season one down there's really a lot so we you look winded before you showed that to me the thing that i thought i was about to see which i know you got a point of reference because you've talked about these these types of videos but there's like the i guess that a're Russian made. Oh yeah. The videos that always start with something being in a toilet or something that

you have to take out of a toilet. Wendy is stuck in the toilet. Just globally off putting it grabs you by the ears. And those are just absolutely blowing up, but that's been around for a few years now. So this is like a, this in and of itself is an evolution of that. And,

you know, as a parent of a 15 year old, and a college student, a 19 year old, so the stuff that they sometimes send me, obviously there's been this like real leaning into the absurdist humor stuff that's been happening, right? But it's gotten to a place where, and as someone who never wants to start feeling like it's slipping away,

like my appreciation for whatever's cutting edge is slipping away, especially from a comedic standpoint. Sure. I'm like, oh, okay, so the point of these things has become that there's nothing to grab onto. There's no tether, and that's what makes it work? Well, this is where it gets so before i say anything uh let's watch part one of scooby-doo at 67 um which by the way can we

just look at the views this has jacob currently on youtube sixth episode 67 is that 52 million okay okay and it's two weeks ago cool nice cool so just wanted to clarify that's a 52 million? 52 million. Okay. Okay, and it's two weeks ago? Cool. Nice, cool. So just wanted to clarify, that's 52 million views in the last two weeks. Check my channel real quick. You know what? Pretty low CPM, I would suggest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, possibly demonetized. That's on Kit Coding Out.

Yeah, right. Uh-huh. Yeah, I don't know if that was an official upload, but okay. Because I think sometimes the creator does hide some videos for whatever reason. But channel history is a little bit i'll get into it later but um okay let's watch episode 67 part one by the way of three okay wow things have gotten dark all of a sudden this stuff started happening

well it was over the course of the last 60 episodes but yeah incrementally i suppose some things did happen in between i'm realizing who's the antagonist well that's a great question because it's actually up for debate um i mean i'm getting the sense toilet you look dehydrated tells the story yeah there's just so many things to sort out you know this apocalyptic war between the skivity toilets or the the g-man and the camera people. And that's kind of like on the surface, it's like the toilets and they're multiplying and maybe they're taking over humanity. And then there's the camera people

who are fighting the toilets. And then the camera people have like a, there's also the, yeah, there's like different camera people with different types of cameras. And then there's like an escalation of all of that, that conflict. And that's like at its surface what we're looking at. That's I'm sure you read that intuitively, I would guess.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just looking at the thumbnails. There is like a some would argue that it's a discourse on media and like like matt pat's theory was that it's a new media versus like old media type thing where um the the camera people represent the hollywood like machine um there's actually a uh a big boss monster uh camera guy that attacks with like the thx sound and stuff like that and so like there's there's kind of a lot to that side of the lore but then there's also just uh you know maybe it's just maybe there's nothing to it like

i have i think i have based on the little bit that i you know and i'm just gonna this is what happens on the internet you get exposed to something and then you form a very a very full opinion based on very minimal information yeah uh this is a theory this is cynical the first one um what was the what was the uh time difference between episode one and episode two how much time i don't know well yeah it was pilot season yeah because yeah that could help determine you know i don't know a lot about animation but this is pretty rudimentary well so okay so this is actually so this ties back i'll explain how this ties back to old YouTube. So, and just old internet in general. This, the models, this is either generated or, are you familiar with like Half-Life, Valve, those guys, like that kind of stuff?

Vaguely. So like, Valve, which is like now primarily known for Steam, you know, they were the developers of Half-Life, Team Fortress, these games, and Counter-Strike. And they also created this thing called Gary's Mod, which is more like a sandbox that allows you to create games, really whatever you want with the Source engine and-life um with the source engine and with like the the models and stuff that are in all the games right and so the skibbity man is actually a character from half-life called the g-man and uh so it's like a it's like a model that you could

just kind of grab you could just use yeah and all the other others are are like civilian face models from Half-Life 2. Okay. This is building my theory. Yes. So this is all like old school, though. This is like machinima type shit. Yeah. Back in the day.

And this creator actually has been on YouTube for like, I want to say a decade, but their oldest video now is six years old and I'm pretty sure I saw something older when I was first like looking into this like months ago but uh they have always done like they have always been honing the skill with the like they've done GTA, like type movies out of this stuff. And, um, and you start to see like their tropes in there. They love disembodied heads and stuff had been working.

Yeah. They had a million subscribers, 2 million subscribers before any of the skibbity toilet stuff, but it was fairly niche. Um, and then I think it's like, they found something that was like working and then they like built up on it so it's really interesting that like the person who is

making all this stuff is probably like our age oh yeah i had to guess this i mean the assets and the references they're making are i think older than your son yeah yeah and so there's even okay matt pat made this theory i think it could be it might be a bridge too far but do you remember youtube poops it's like very early youtube absurdist humor compilation non-sequitur like humor okay okay spongebob eating his own feed or something yeah and um and then like like he was connecting a youtube poop to the fact that they're like in toilets and it's like oh and i'm like like the text literally like and i'm like you know maybe just because of where you know uh the defuck boom who's the name of this creator um you know he he would be the right age for all of those references for all to come up on all of that like new grounds

you know albino black sheep type stuff so i don't know and i think that that it's important that i don't know i i think it's important that you can't just like figure it out yeah i mean the thing about people reading meaning and symbolism into something is that it's just what you do regardless of the intention people do it yeah yeah and that's the contract you sign by releasing something into the world and yeah you can kind of never know so i mean my cynical theory was going to be another thing in this genre in a long line of things that this guy had done and this one for some reason popped and then it's just like i can oh i'm i can continue this particular story i can basically the beauty of it is you can make any decision at all yeah to send it in any direction at all and now you've just got people who are on

board for it i think that i think that that's where i land more like more or less that's where i'm at too because i think as creators especially like i think it's amazing that this creator was like kind of can like they've not deviated from their craft they've just been honing it in different ways and packaging it in different ways and then something hit in like a crazy huge way and they had the skills and the ability to like lean into that and like put the foot on the gas with that and i think that that's like amazing do you think that the people who legitimately enjoy this enjoy things for the same reason that you enjoy things i think that it depends because i think um

have you watched a modern mr beast video yeah so a lot of mr beast videos to me and this is actually not shade to mr beast it's more about the strategy feel like they're very specifically targeting different audiences with different parts of the video. It'll be like, we're going to do this challenge. And for some reason, we're going to have a big explosion as well. You know what I mean? It's like, what does this explosion have to do with anything? Does it have to do with the competition? So this is a good, this is a good way to talk about like why people enjoy things and like what the motivation is behind the creation right because i think that the thing that no one can argue like you say what

you will about jimmy the thing that he has mastered is engagement right and if and when you when you look at his videos you're like okay it is clear to me that the starting point and the ultimate goal of these videos is engagement. Yeah. And so where do you, where does that goal lead you? It leads you to a Mr. Beast video. Now, is that personally something that I want to make? No. Is it personally something that I want to entertain myself with?

No. However, the stuff that I want to make and the stuff that I want to entertain myself with? No. However, the stuff that I wanna make and the stuff that I wanna entertain myself with is never going to have the level of engagement that he has. Right. Right? Yeah. And so, but back to the 15 year old son.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we talk about music, so we have this music that we both enjoy and he's actually got great musical taste, but then as he's gotten to his teenage years, there's been this sort of individuation where he starts to like things that I think is just objectively horrible, right?

And this is a good development. I want you to like music that I hate. But one of the things that's happened in his friend group is you find a band and the two boxes that you wanna check is A, no one in the friend group knows about this band and B, they all like it. Right. And so now they've got this thing.

And isn't this, now the fact that it's this popular kind of goes against this theory, but isn't this like, a 15 year old, let's say who's like really enjoying this and sharing it with his or her friends. Are they, isn't it kind of like, but they don't, are they sitting around having like philosophical conversations about this?

Or is it like, oh, this is where it's going now. Isn't no one, it's cool to like this. It's cool, I think there's a bit of both but also when i was like 13 i was watching videos of um among other things videos of like stick figures brutally murdering each other you know what i mean like in that there wasn't anything some show show on newgrounds yeah there wasn't anything to that, but it was the, oh, this is sick. And I feel like this appeals to that, that little corner of, and this could be that like widescreen version of this but most of the views and most of the episodes fit into a short a shorts length yeah and this is like most of the views here are happening on youtube shorts and so you are now watching a narrative story because

there are like you know there is a clear passage of time in this story there are like, you know, there is a clear passage of time in the story. There are characters, some stuff happens to those characters. Some go away, some transform. You know, there's new things represented. It feels like it has all the dramatic beats that any sort of, you know, action story would have. But it's packaged for a short form. And I think that everything that I know about YouTube would tell me that there's no way that that could work.

You know what I mean? And to see it work just like crushingly well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's really, yeah, super interesting. Yeah, it's, I mean, it almost becomes impossible to enjoy. Because all it does is just make, it makes you ask all these questions. Right.

Well, there's the, it's the text and the subtext, right? Like what it is, is the head in the toilet and then the robot and then some fighting happened in a big field. The subtext of that,

there's catharsis and throwing ideas around and a fun dialogue. And there's plenty of the shares are just coming from people going, this is fucking stupid. Plenty of people from people going, this isn't spoken stupid. Plenty of people sharing it going, why is this so popular? And then that builds a contingency of, I don't know, 10% of the views just being confusion. But at the same time, I think I lose track of this

with some mediums and we all do with different mediums, but take music for an example. The end result is short and immediate and maybe you enjoy the track maybe you enjoy the band maybe it doesn't resonate with you but you can say objectively i can kind of see the appeal of this if you write a melody you don't really know why you like it you can you can try and make it more substantial and you can say like oh it's like a key signature that puts people in a good mood and people people like this time signature it's not too overwhelming it's pretty straightforward right but that the fact that this particular melody

makes you remember the pasta that your dad used to make yeah that doesn't really intuitively make any sense and maybe that's not even what the lyrics are about but it's tickling some part of your mind yeah it's like yeah it's it's lol epic random right there's suddenly a robot and suddenly this happening but there's a reason that that's the joke they could have been they could have gone why is it sci-fi and yeah sci-fi there's it they might not have the answers yeah to the question because they just intuitively kind of came out right uh i was just talking i was getting coffee with a comedy writer friend of mine and they were talking about how in writers rooms it's sometimes this

combination this mishmash of people who have an intuitive feeling about comedy and like harvard lampoon like math minded yeah, like, let me explain the math of the joke. Right. And then sometimes those two forces can get at odds because one person is saying, you know, I need someone to explain to me what the equation is of how this lands on a laugh. And the other person is saying, I think should fart you know and that's just it you know what i mean and i and i think that that's i think there's always going to be two like ways to approach things and a gap between the like sort of intuition and the the math of it all with be it art be it music be it comedy like and that like um there's there's a spectrum i guess is what i'm trying to say and it's

somewhere in the middle well and we're definitely in this absurdist place right now like as a society yeah but i mean it kind of makes sense just based on everything that's been going on but just kind of we're the way that the thing that you're trying to accomplish in like a tiktok sketch is a left turn that no one could have anticipated right um and i just imagine like, okay, you can hang out in that space for like a generation, right? And then like, what's the next generation and the next generation? Like, when are they going to, okay, we're going to get back to like a who's on first type thing or a physical thing. And then like the, but like like the mathematical like the setup punch line this is why this works this is what the this is the relatable thing that you're trying to get somebody to latch on to and this is the expectation that you're looking to subvert

which is like where most of every joke that i'll ever come up with or anything that i'll write is gonna live yeah um yeah there's this part of me that's just like okay i'm not i'm gonna try i'm trying to hang on to this but i do when you feel like you can't feed into it because it's like yeah me feeding into this is like the way that my brain makes fun of it is like oh i'm just gonna do something random right and if well that if i'm just doing something random yeah for the sake of it being random then i feel like i'm not really contributing to this like i'm yeah i think i mean that's as a self-critique kind of yeah as well right because you know you have such a specific relationship with every joke you've ever told in your entire life yeah everything you've ever laughed at younger versions of yourself

that would like x or y thing when in reality whatever you end up publishing if any part of you finds it funny a bunch of people are also going to find it funny because they exist in the same world and laugh right yeah like if you were the easiest way to explain this is um is with ai because i guess it's like a thing that everyone kind of understands ai trains on data and then it spits something out it's like if if you hadn't if you had an ai that uh was fed on all of the comedy of the 70s, then you would like, with a little, with a, you know, someone who goes through life, you like combine that stimulus with like the life experience

of growing up in that time, you get some sort of, which adds the transformation on that, like that formula, then that's, I feel like how it starts to how it starts to evolve and then like that sort of keeps compounding so yeah i feel like at some point we've gotten from like advice animals like memes to to like you know like hyper absurdist you know uh you know super dark jokes about life. And it just reflects society, but it also reflects like, like an advice animals meme feels very much like Obama optimism,

like hope campaign. Pod Save America type. Yeah. And then like in in today's day, it's like you might get like something super dark and doomer and absurdist in that way that is almost like relinquishing control because sometimes the world feels so oppressive and there's no way out of the pain you know and like yeah and those both of those things feel like reflections of their environment and time and when there seems like there's a there i i i think

this as an entertainer but also somebody with like this performance mindset that i am constantly trying to move beyond but like you want to continue contributing to it like the thing to the things that matter or whatever if you but to go back to the music example, if you take a band that's been around forever, it's hard to... I can't point to an example of a band that became popular 40 years ago that then kept updating to try to play what was the most relevant thing.

Ironically, a band that did this because of the way they were using music is DC Talk, which was a Christian band in the 80s and 90s really, it was sort of their heyday. But they would take whatever was popping, so if it was like, oh oh smells like teen spirit is popping so we're gonna basically do the exact same riff but make it a song about jesus and then they kept kind of lagging about a year or two behind whatever was popular because they were using music as a like

as a utility to like right get a message across weird yeah right weird al is the perfect example because he's following this trend yeah because he's able to the equation of i take what's out there and then i i parody it feels like it works for longer and you would also but you would hate that band yeah that was doing that you're like you would hate a band that was doing it earnestly yeah yeah it was like well we're always just trying to remain real like because like everyone's talking about the new rolling stones album where a lot of people are yeah and i like sat down and listened to it as someone who's not like a huge stones fan but yeah you know there's a couple albums that i'm really into and i was like this just sounds like 80 year old

guys playing rock and i i not into it, right? It feels like disingenuous. Well no, it just feels like they're kind of doing the same thing but kind of like at a part in the evolution of their career where I wasn't interested in anymore. Ultimately what I'm trying to do is I'm grappling with the, like when I see something like this, I'm just like, yeah, I think the bus has right i got off

at the bus stop yeah and the bus is continuing on and i mean whoever shows up at this bus stop i'm going to entertain the hell out of them yeah maybe it's like a it was like a palette thing where the last thing we can do to enjoy this because our taste buds have kind of numbed over time and been exposed to so many things is i don't know eat the spiciest chili which is this conversation yeah right thinking about it as much as possible because the fun quick version is just i'm wait what's that what's going on and then i need to do something i mean i have two thoughts about this one is uh just something about the like electing as an artist to like step back is um you know andre 3000 of outcast got the flute album coming out yeah yeah like has said so many times on

record like he's been asked are you ever gonna put out another like hip-hop album and he's like i am like i i don't i'm not of the moment anymore like the way that i would create like i don't want to pretend i don't want to chase this current sound smart yeah you know um smart but it's just like it's the it's a high level of self-awareness yeah yeah and where you're making a sacrifice yeah like he is dinged because he could easily cash in on him more oh for sure i think get some features on some right i mean what was the last feature we did the frank ocean the frank ocean solo feature he's definitely done something since then but that was cool um i think someone else who's really interesting with this is like j cole

who is like not he's i think he's kind of found a a pocket where it's like i'm not going to change like i'm not going to copy the trending sound but i am going to like show up on these like popping artists and i'm gonna hang with them you know what i mean and promote them and promote them and produce them and then i think it gives them a lot of respect but then also it is we do not live in a lyrical lyrical miracle like era of rap anymore where it's like j cole's like oldest like if you find the stuff that he was uh putting out on forums and stuff when he was like 14 sounds like eminem songs because it was like that was like his influence where it's like i'm gonna do as much internal rhyme and shit as possible and then that was the kudos that's what the very good thing and then and then um but then like now there's like

influences of modern but ultimately he is still he is not deviated from like, I am going to put together the best possible bars and I'm not going to, you know, he has that song in 1985 that basically like it it's aged actually like wine, which is crazy. Cause it's like this, it's very much this old man. Let me sit you down young, like a SoundCloud rapper and explain to you, you you know the music industry and how this is gonna go and then then goes but by the way my style is ageless and i will never fall off and then and then like everyone who like i think it was uh do you remember who it was that that was like the inspiration who was the fuck j cole guy oh uh i'm a fantastic talking about oh there you go um but anyway like he's he's the anti drake in that way because like 2010 2010 we're like drake kendrick lamar j cole those are the guys

right now the future face of hip-hop and drake has gone the path of i am going to try to become the biggest possible pop artist that i can and i'm going to hop on everyone i am going to uh culture vulture every like these are the allegations every possible trending artist there's so many stories of people that have one song that's popping off then drake hops on the remix, and then like maybe signs that artist or steal something from that artist, and then like moves on. He's like seemingly like scavenging for relevance. And to success, by the way-

It's still working. It's still working, but like he has lost a lot of respect for that because he's no longer seen as a rapper. He's like clearly just trying to like be it. I don't know what he's shooting for. I don't know what the goal is, but he's succeeding at something. He wants to continue being Drake.

Yeah, that's probably what it is. Right, I mean, it's like once you have that, and you know, I mean, as content creators, like you wanna keep creating content, you know? And so, and you know, it it's like you're not trying to obviously i've been making the same show for 12 years that has changed very little like it's like it's like it's a thing that works and you you want to focus on the thing that you you know that you

can uniquely offer to the world whatever and whoever's on board and if it's an aging audience that is just like this is what i'm into and then when we die this thing will will die like chasing that relevance is like a i mean that's a losing game i think if you made some really really conscious and deliberate changes to like the structure or the format or the content or the or the editing of what you're putting out yeah even if you didn't get a ton of comments saying that like pointing out the thing that's changed just intuitively something in the lizard brain of the audience is going to be like this is off-putting yeah this is wrong it's like uh when a baby sees their dad after shaving for the first time and the baby's like i don't know this is wrong your face is wrong what happened they might

not be able to say why but there's also natural evolution as well you like you're allowed to change and grow and um you guys have to find that balance you guys have to say kind of no sometimes at least internally to here's something we think we could do to optimize the content here's something that maybe well like there's some things that we try so i mean one of the things that it makes this like as a creative person makes this something that is like tolerable that the thing being feel like you're stuck in a little bit of a lane like the show kind of has to be the show the fact that we can go off and do other right things like we still we've been experimenting a bunch on the original red and link channel with

longer form stuff and we've got plans for for next year to like really dig into that and that's that's really scratching that creative itch in a way yeah gmm because it's more of like a comfort youtube type show we do have to be conscious of that. We've tried things like a couple of seasons ago, instead of starting with the so-and-so, so-and-so, let's talk about that. We were like, let's show, for engagement, let's show the thing that you're about to see,

Mr. Beast it, let's show the thing that you're about to see. Yeah. And that that lasted i don't even think we made it through a season yeah because it was just like you ruined this thing we're not this isn't about whether or not it's more engaging to a new audience member it's like you this thing you guys say let's talk about that even though you haven't really talked about anything in a long time that's i never thought about it like that you can't take that away right and so we're like okay i guess we can't take that away it's like it's good that's as long as gmm is a thing it's going to start with one of us saying something and the other one saying let's talk about that the uh well it's like you look at something like the tonight show

and and that's like i feel like the closest gmm is like the closest thing YouTube has to like that is the institution rise to whenever the host changes it's like a big everyone freaks out you know or then people or like SNL everybody has their favorite SNL cast and era and some people go and some people stay and it it's so interesting or some people you know you know i finally started getting i've been doing youtube just long enough to start getting i watched you in high school or i used to watch you in middle school type you know things that's the most common most common yeah yeah and so it's like i I think this is like well understood if you like our, if you're YouTube maxing, if you're trying to, if you're actually trying to maximize everything YouTube, you know that you can either go for an aging audience, age with your audience, or you can target the same demo and then only, and then let that demo age out, you know you know every single time so it's like they age with you or that you have a sliding window of audience and does what you make really transfer

to someone else or are you uniquely talented in this audience i guess you just don't know until you fail or whatever yeah and you want to like you want to make something that is somewhat timeless, right? But the idea of something being timeless on YouTube, like that's just a, it's a very, like the idea that somebody would sit down 50 years from now and watch an episode of Good Mythical Morning for any reason other than like, they're doing a presentation on the evolution of youtube you know how bad it used to be i mean right i don't know i mean maybe there's i just see this

from watching old videos like music videos sometimes i bet if you go to those earlier episodes there's someone who's still watching this in 2023. It's got like a bunch of likes. There's something I mean, I find not just something that I'm in, but really watching anything in our space that's older than a year or two. I find it maybe almost kind of overwhelming. Like, oh,

things were so different here. If it takes place in 2020 or 2021, I'm like, oh, we weren't even humans then. I can't even relate in a fictional way to this thing. Yeah, if I get recommended a video of our friend Eddie Burback and he doesn't have a mustache, I delete the tab.

I call him. I say, what is this? He goes, no, no, no. You need to Photoshop a mustache onto these, dude. No one's going to click on this video. Eddie, did you know this is still up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude.

Hey, heads up, up dude are you available for a call real quick this is important you've made a mistake yeah yeah i mean you guys are also responsible i'm sure for new people every day coming in and kind of building a foundation of what they like like a young enough audience every now and then young enough people will come in and go oh i guess this is what funny is i like this this is the tone of youtube that i enjoy or like i know people that got into youtube via video essays the essays that we know and then that essayist takes a or often streamer takes a break and they're like oh i don't know what i like i don't know what i like watching or listening i listen to the podcast singular that's what i do well and then when you find out that

um they like it for a reason that you didn't intend which is really with something like good mythical morning which is not like it's not a music video it's not a sketch that's like this crafted thing it's like who knows what's gonna happen the unexpected unpredictable things are the things that make people remember it or you're just like oh people oh they they're not necessarily watching because they think i mean some people are like yeah you're really funny but it might but be like i just like the idea if we were the three of us were hanging out it would be cool right it makes me it's comforting well that's what i project into because we are hanging out what if the three of us hung out i mean that's a lot of a lot of our i think there's a huge

core audience we like make jokes about this all the time um where i just know that it's like people doing something else and putting this on gives them comfort oh and i know that because i do that with my comfort stuff you know what i mean yeah yeah it's like an instrumental album yeah it's like people are like i can't do dishes without yeah well i have a name for that guy because we talked about this on an episode of good mythical more and i addressed him as bar, like Barry vacuuming right now. And I normally yell at him, but it's just like, Barry, pay attention!

You know, because I know you're not paying attention right now. This part's important! We did our most recent Patreon episode, Sad Boys Nights, patreon.com slash sadboys. I did some hyper-specific call-out, but it wasn't a name it was like i know there's an art student right now on their tablet uh in procreate like this art app like

working on something and then like someone um do i find it like it was like yeah it was like in the um in our group chat what did they say uh there was a immediate reply on the patreon as a university student in jersey who is currently on procreate drawing on his ipad that was absolutely terrifying yeah i did also give it a location but it's sort of the it's like the thing uh there was a 700 club which was you know pat robertson the it was like the uh the christian call-in show or the show where they would talk about like he'd be like there's somebody right now who feels a little tickle right in their ankle all right and it's cancer but we are healing it right now the guy's

like oh shit i mean hold on thank you the dark dark side of that is there's a type of scam where you take a thousand, send a thousand emails with stock picks. You split them in half. You say the stock goes up, the stock goes down. Then for the next 500 people where you were right, because you pick both options, you pick again.

And then at the end, you've got 20 people who you are nostradamus and you've predicted you know the stock market 12 weeks in a row and now you they like you sell them something yeah you join me wow yeah yeah yeah that's incredible yeah it's crazy and it's just for the idea i mean that's kind of what algorithm optimization is in a way it's like a b testing yeah Try this thumbnail. And I guess people didn't like that. Except you're A-B testing the future.

All right. Well, I mean, I feel like we did a good job today. Yeah, we did. Yeah. I think this was great. We explored some, you know, existential things about the world that we live in while making the thing that yeah we make i do love being meta and i i mean i and also we're kind of giving a shout out to jack who is on their ipad right now sketching in uh university i believe in jersey who feels a tingle in his right ankle

is definitely cancer but It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. He healed it. That's for a second. An insane show. The idea of like you're still positioned with a microphone and

somebody running the boards and then telling someone they might die if it isn't for your cool brain. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, Rhett, thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, thanks for having me.

Sorry I was late. Oh no, don't even worry about it. Well, I mean, if we're bringing it up. Well, you know, the funny thing is, is I, to address it, because I wasn't just late, I was over an hour late. Well, yeah, so excited. To be clear, I know you don't care,

but as someone who sees themselves as like, I'm a responsible content creator you know i know if you deal with content creators on a regular basis hour late it's just like this is probably the average all right we should tell them the hassan story after but i'm like i'm a five minute ten minute early guy yeah okay okay yeah and i was at this um i had to tell you about this i was gonna tell you earlier. And I was at this, I had to tell you about this. I was going to tell you earlier. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was at this strange event that we got invited to that was like,

let's put some YouTube creators in a room with like some Hollywood producers type people. Because there's a, you know, somebody I guess at YouTube is like, if we put these people in the room together, let's see, we can bridge the divide, figure things out, whatever. Brothers, brothers. I was happy to be there. Sure. But it was one of those situations where I kept getting put into a conversation,

and it was sort of like, all right, tell them, tell this person who doesn't have any idea of what you do, give them what you do, why it's important, why they should care about it or whatever. And it was like a really weird headspace to be like explaining your career to this person, like giving them the like five minute spiel over and over again. And then I looked at my watch and it was 320 oh no because i've been like put into this yeah yeah weird space where i was just like being taken around to different conversations like lose track of big and then i was like oh how long it's not going to take that long to get to jarvis from here but it was an hour and 10 minutes or whatever well it's all this was in vegas it's also raining which uh exacerbates oh yeah yeah it was there's like a fire on the i-10 that's like shut down the highway

yeah things have changed it's especially bad right now i think it is the rapture um but no thank you so much uh and we were listening i didn't get a chance to say this we were listening to your new ep while we were setting up and it's really you have such a beautiful voice oh thanks man yeah yeah and everyone should check it out james and the shame on spotify wherever you get music and i will say as niche as the so the first album was mostly about deconstruction the second album was just country music hey you know country americana if you're if you don't think like the idea of deconstruction music well that's not what this one's this is more you know two love songs to my wife i mean out of six songs you can't beat that you love your

wife about a third of an album yeah third of an album okay other than uh other than james and the shames new ep is there anything else you want to promote you know the thing that link and i are really trying to get people to care about right now in the Rhett and Link world is the stuff we're doing on the original Rhett and Link channel. Oh yeah. That so many people have kind of forgotten about.

Right. There's a bunch of videos that we put up this year that we feel really good about. We're kind of like figuring out the way that we wanna tell stories and explore things, but we've got a really cool team working on that content you know we're every we're we've kind of arrived at what we think is the genre that we want to move more into in 2024 um but check out some of those ridiculous videos that are you know there's a lot of passion in each one of those we're spending more time right for with each

one and it's like nothing's happening to good mythical morning yeah it's not a threat it's not to replace anything uh and we've got big plans for 2024 awesome we'll talk about how we want to go about that when we're ready to talk about it but just like so go over there and subscribe to the original red link channel yeah lots of content respects and check out the new stuff and if you have been the entire time go back and go wow i remember subscribing to this yeah go comment on the oldest red link video you can find and say who's still watching this in 2023 do one of those unsettling comments where somebody's like i started listening to sad boys when i was in utero and now me and my 40 year old son listen every day yeah the post-apocalypse. Right. Yeah. All right.

Well, we end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. Boom! We are, among other things, going back to the horny chef man. Oh, yeah. He won't stop. This is the-

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