Sad Boyz - Wellness Influencers Are Cringe

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm John. Oh, this isn't the night's episode. This isn't the Patreon only. No, no, this is the, this is the normie pod. Normie pod where we're gentle and nice. I like the bonus episode.

The raunchy bonus episode where we say bad words like kick. Farts. And pus. Bleep though. Yeah. What's up? Nothing much. We, we uh it's just the boys today just the boys we're joined boys we're joined by a special guest which is uh nick is not green's water bottle that he left here oh my god he's lying down as well what the hell happened it's a little dented up dude he's seen some shit that actually makes complete

sense that's like and it's also the exact amount of denting that nick would do does that make sense to you yeah it's too little dents on the top he's such a funny funny little guy yeah he's kind of a top dent kind of guy are you you know what i respect continue you know what i respect is people who can carry around a water bottle in general like day to day all the time i can't do it that's not a gym strat for you i lose it i leave it i i bought for example for example foam rollers which i use for my back when i'm boxing i have lost three of them already you take them with you yeah you have to take them to the gym because I have to do a PT workout beforehand interesting and then I wasn't at the gym or do you I I don't know where some of them have gone I usually accidentally leave it at the

gym and then it's there for a while and and it's supposed to be there when I get back but then it's been gone and I've been like where did I put it i don't know but water bottles are much in the same way where i i like leave it somewhere and then i realize that it's gone like far too late you know what's tricky about something like a foam roller is there's nothing there's no equivalent to my backpack kind of there's no equivalent of like tapping keys wallet phone roller yeah i keep it strapped my back like a samurai yeah like the witcher yeah uh does it help the foam roller oh it does yeah i mean like i have specific yeah when i haven't lost it i have specific exercises from my physical therapists that are like supposed to like loosen up my my lower back which is like tight how you feeling bad ready for warfare no ready

to strike aaron hansen directly in the side of the throat absolutely not oh no yeah i'm gonna get out there and i'm gonna i'm gonna freaking shoot him with a gun oh wow i don't think you're allowed to do that it's also gonna be hard with the gloves that i like are you allowed to tag team i can get in there oh yeah like uh it's it's it's like the royal rumble yeah and i just like call in a optimus prime from like the stand or it's like it's like a referee behavior in wwe where we can cheat and the punishment is you scamps you don't get like disqualified. I get in there and I hit your baron with a big folding chair. And the ref's like, get out of here, chump. The ref is like, what are you doing?

Yeah. He's just not able to stop you or anything. He doesn't stop the fight. He just, everything has to keep going because there's a lot of, you know, people in the stands to entertain. Yeah. They've sold all the pay-per-view tickets already. So they just got to let it go.

I'm going to dress up as your manager, but with your gimmick. What's your fighting gimmick? Like the hundo gorms? Okay, I was like, what's my... Oh, wait, you should. You should bring... You ever seen like Ryu in an opening

of like more recent Street Fighter games where he's carrying that big sack? There's no backpacks, like the classical martial arts yeah he carries a sack full of i don't know other he doesn't seem to wear anything different i recently i was thinking about fighting games in the context of actual fighting with boxing specifically because i was practicing like a block, but like a kind of like a Perry situation where I realized, you know, like hit stun and like end lag exists in real life. Yeah.

Because I'm like- You're plus 10 frames. Yeah, like frame disadvantage or whatever. Like, cause someone, you know, punched me and I blocked it. And then my coach was like, okay like because someone you know punched me and i blocked it and then then my coach was like okay now you know do a hook right to counter this and i was like oh and i'm like why couldn't he and i'm technically he could block it but you know just by virtue of kind of it's just hard to do everything at once so if he's like just let off a big punch that you blocked i guess he is

vulnerable for a few frames yeah you're plus yeah yeah plus on that yeah so i'm like oh i mean you're literally also learning block strings yeah it's like high mid yeah i'm gonna um i'm gonna do evo moment 37 of the creator class i'm gonna perfect parry uh aaron hansen's alt gonna perfectly parry his flurry kick yeah yeah yeah every every hit of it every hit of it definitely we've never seen it happen and then they're gonna be like oh my god justin me and the audience going oh yeah um you gotta you should use a spinning bird kick yeah it was spinning right that is so weird they'll be like remember when jervis was supposed to only be punching and then he just did a hurricane kick in the middle of the boxing you should do a uh rising dragon punch when you if you fall over rising dragon punch invulnerability

frames at the start right so if he's crowding you in the corner nothing he can do right like um I hope I can do some of my charge moves to have super armor so you can't like break them up you gotta build meter yeah yeah uh who's a nerd nerd listeners understanding you like you're not cool um stop it would you let your spouse um poop in the same room as you would you ever share a bathroom like in that way have you ever now spouse oh sorry partner well it introduces a an interesting dilemma which is that i feel like life just would not be sustainable otherwise in the case of a spouse for the rest of my life and also if my relationship couldn't survive that i would be concerned but i am by trade a shy pooper.

Okay. And that's overly shameful pooper. Right. Like you need to keep a little secret. You're like, no, no, please.

No one. I would without short of like CIA torture. I would not admit that I was having a shit. Can I just say that shy pooper rhymes with sly Cooper in a very fun way. It's based on that story. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

It's the same idea. Okay. Yeah. Once once you once you're like a raccoon or whatever once he's able to pickpocket enough gold uh-huh and uh come come common i think someone come in san diego who pursues him is that how that works i actually don't know i don't know he's a love sly cooper you know love sly cooper sam sandwich sandwich she's Sly person. Shout out to friend of the show, Sam Witch, who's listening to this for sure. Really? Yeah. Sam texted me and she was saying that she loves listening to the Sly Boys. Man, I hope I'm remembering the right person regarding Sly Cooper. Oh, then that could be awkward.

Because I could be disproven. I know she's like a, I feel like that whole group is into Spyro in kind of a weird way. Yeah, she's Spyro pilled. Yeah. She's a regular, she's, but I think that's more like the furry, scaly element of it that appeals. No, if it's a- Right, that's the criteria,

is that it's gotta be, you know, furry or scaly in some way. No pooping, same room as person I am dating. I was in a two-year relationship prior to a couple months ago, and I wouldn't under no circumstances. Yeah. So my take on that, I want to go briefly back to Sam,

who Cutie Cinderella, a wonderful creator, who should come on the show sometime. We've got to invite her on. Made Sam a birthday cake. Yeah. That was Spyro. That we fucked up. It was in so much pain by the end of the night.

Well, what happened was Cutie like traveled with the cake. Like I think she streamed making it. She streamed making it. Incredible craftsmanship. I thought it was so impressive, but then it didn't survive the travel. And on top of that, there were like 20 of us all picking at it at once like a flock of crows we're starting with the face like which is the funniest way

so there is a video we'll see if we can find it um to show you of us just like eating this spyro cake and it is one of the most visceral given the fact that it's like like a chocolate and vanilla cake one of the more viscerally disgusting things i've ever seen we should dub it to make it sound like he's screaming like he has no mouth but with the audio quality of like a ps1 disc yeah um i am ashamed to admit that you can own my former partners. Yeah, I can only, I actually am the opposite of a shy person. I'm a very gregarious pooper. You FaceTime me.

Guess what? Yeah, I FaceTime somebody like the chin up. And I'm like, my face is all flush. No, no, no. Here it comes. Here comes Johnny. How do I hang up? I don't remember.

Oh God. Um, so. Is that always nice? That's the, you can't say that except for on the Patreon. Fuck. Yeah. I had a partner who would leave the door open and want me to like be around to talk to them while they were pissing.

I don't think pooping, I don't think pooping, but it still was a bit weird. I will say the pissing in the same, fine. I'm in the shower. They're in a piss. Yeah.

That the shower thing, it's like out of necessity, you know, it's like if you're in a shower and then your partner has to go to the bathroom knock knock knock can i come in but this is more like it was i felt like i was an emotional support like boyfriend for the bathroom yeah where it was like oh yeah come hang out with me while i knock this one out one complication with the the purse for me i I often... Splash zone. Often sit.

If I can't sit, I squat up or kneel. Like I'm proposing to the toilet. I was going to say, what does kneeling look like? You know, single knee. Single knee in my leash. I want to be with you

for the rest of my life so I can poop in the same room. You're like icing the toilet. I just can't... Toilet water in the US is weirdly high. That's like a fun little nuance here okay i went to the uk and as a result the splash zone is a lot more impactful yeah so i often i'm so used to the far more efficient height of uk toilet water in the i think it's disgusting that we stand over a a seat and we like pee into it like we have to fucking like go through the rings like

a quidditch minigame or something and then the rationale is like yeah you must you you ladies must be pretty jealous that we can stand up and piss that's like bragging that i can like i can throw up on my chest also you should look into like what happens to the uh particles when you go to the bathroom and you don't put the seat down. Yeah. Oh, dude. And if you don't put the lid down before you flush. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Yeah, yeah. So like there are like you've probably seen them like these hyper slow-mo like and like high. I don't even know. They basically are visualizations of the plume of shit particles that come out of the toilet it's like the smoke that comes out of a musket yeah so put the lid down before you flush it's so i remember when i first learned that i'm like oh that's what it's for yeah like it's almost like it's built into the design but i feel like men are such little freaks that they're just like yeah i just want to piss into the big void just like waggling like the kindness they do is pissing in the toilet yeah that's like the biggest that's

the you know you can't hold me down but the best you can get is all i'll try to hit the inside of the toilet and i'll miss i will i'll hit the rim god forbid you hit the rim it ricochets onto the toilet paper you ruin an entire roll of toilet like a dude perfect trick shot for ruining the bathroom as much as you can i think i don't know no this hasn't happened to me i thought it had this is not but just in case this is your first boys only episode just look it's not usually this piss orion it's an entirely scatological podcast we talk about it a lot you know one of the most violating feelings this is

this is sad boys nice regular sad boys okay fuck it I'll say it you're having a poop ew

you're so weird dude it's got cancelled if you read nobody poops except for you you little freak? Fuck. You're having to poop, and you give it a gloop.

And by a gloop, you mean you do a little drop. And Geronimo, and then it just like blew. And then the splashback. It's unacceptable, yeah. Maybe the most violating feeling for me personally. May I say another very clean rationale for toilet water height so toilet water height in the uk is you know there's the bowl bowl and then kind of the beginning of the pipe right in there at the bottom the toilet starts about at the top of there i see

the toilet water starts which means you can you can be on the bowl without hitting the water more easily yeah also we should use bidets it's crazy that people don't yeah the most expensive thing i have in my house is flushable wipes yeah i don't have a bidet right now but i want to get one soon just full communication to people if you're not using some kind of flushable wipe you should be showering yeah like it is you are if you don't believe that you've got people you cope yeah it's because flushable wipes are like it's like a myth that they're flushable and so like oh yeah so it's like tough on pipes and stuff and so not every uh what's the word not every sewage system can like handle it

and so i've been like told not to use them, but at the same time I need something. So yeah, it's like, you got to shower, you got to like, I would rather destroy my pipes. Yeah.

It's yeah. What a rush it is. What a rush. You know what we should do is we should edit in at the beginning of the episode, just like an AI dub of us talking about something else just like hey what's up man i'm okay this is what a crazy week we've had yeah what a crazy week we have had hard cuts we're recording this on a sunday which is not our normal day we're recording this ahead

of time because our boy is about to set sail. I'm taking a little trip. I'm going to surprise my mom for her birthday. She doesn't know. Well, she might. I don't know. Nobody tell. Don't you dare reach out to that lady you don't know how to get in touch with

or where she lives or whatever her full name is. Don't do it. I know you're trying. Who wants to know my mother's maiden name? Would that help? Hold on. Yeah, don't do it. Don't give it out.

I was thinking earlier if on the walk over i was i was thinking about the time that i uh doxed you on the podcast but like as a bit before we yeah we're streaming it i did i not were i not to be living with someone now if it was back you know a year ago whatever when i was living solo i would be fine. I think I would do it as a bit and then just see what happens. If I owned the house, no. Right, right, right. If I was renting, I would just be like, yeah, okay. I mean, if you live in like a building with enough security.

And I'm also not at like a, the likelihood that I have a stalker and they live in LA with my number of subs, I feel like is significantly lower than most people. I guess so. But also I feel like you don't want to be in that situation. Also, I couldn't find your place even with the address. So yeah, it is truly, it's like trying to navigate a maze.

It's like a pumpkin patch yeah right it's like one of those corn mazes where you're like can you find your way out of my apartment the answer is no and then you get to my front door the fucking amazon can i tell you that much yeah they truly just treat it like uh like i was tricking them well i'm just not gonna deliver it i know people just don't get the thing you paid for. You know, yeah. It's like, I don't want to, people are just doing their job. But sometimes when people get frustrated with you about where you live or like your address, I'm like, I'm sorry. I don't know what the.

I wish I could provide. I've tried like providing the special instructions. I've reached out to UPS for like non-Amazon packages as well. And just been like, I'll take the risk of it getting stolen. Right. Just leave it outside. Oh yeah. Like if you can't deliver

this bulk order of toothpaste, I don't care. I'll lose $15 as opposed to not having toothpaste. Right. That's fair. Give me my flushable wipes. I have had a lot of like packages

when they're left outside my gate just get swept up. And so it's, it's tough. It's tough. It's tough out there. Leave my Papa John's out there. I'll take the risk. Yeah.

Anybody that takes my Papa John's deserves it for their slyness. Right. For their speed. One time, this is not, well, actually I won't say the name. There's a meal service that I use. And one time, and it's the one you're thinking of. It's baby food one time um my box was inside my gate and someone cut open opened the box took all the meals out and then left and i was

like holy shit that's awesome i was like dude enjoy i guess fuck, and that way, even when you go to pick it up, you're like, wow, the box seems really working. Yeah. I'm strong, damn. Yeah, this is a light-ass box. No, I saw it just empty with the ice packs or whatever in it. And I was like, damn, dude. They should have taken most and then stacked,

used something to stack them up. So it's like putting fake real money on top of that. Right, it's like when you like a reseal of a pokemon box where they like put a bunch of gi joe cards inside oh is that a thing that was the thing that happened to logan paul he uh the guru or whatever no actually this was a separate time that logan paul lost uh three million dollars where he didn't actually lose the money because he was he was insured on it. And he was like, this gives me a scam, you say? This gives me an idea. So it was like a sealed case of first edition base set booster boxes,

which no one really has seen one. We know that like at least this one guy, Gary King Pokemon or whatever, has one of his storage units or whatever he has a box that's sealed or a case that's sealed allegedly but one had never come up on the market and so one came up but then it had a dubious history um but then logan paul bought it and then people were kind of already like this seems like it's not the real deal. And so to verify it, Logan opened up the box and the box contained resealed boxes that had G.I. Joe cards inside.

By the way, if you, I feel like this question is usually asked about like watching athletics and stuff. But if somebody wanted to get into collectibles, like collectible card stuff, and like money's not not an object right because if like the the spectrum of what you can collect or get interested in with with money like i i don't think i could afford to play that like the the real game like get into the real grading stuff but if i just wanted to indulge in it for a little bit of fun you should should just stop buying booster packs. Is that it? No,

you should actually buy, uh, buy singles because booster packs are just gambling single cards. Yeah. So like, I would say there's a ton of really cool creators who just open products. Um, like friend of the show,

Ruxin 34, uh, does Yu-Gi-Oh stuff. Pokey Rev friend of the show as well. Um, does pokemon stuff and they i'm still just collectibles right collectible stuff does some doken i think battle wait what he does like uh doken battle who's that rhyme style or just like some of the collectible stuff oh yeah rhyme style does he does uh he has a yugioh and pokemon channel that he doesn't really

post on that often um but his stuff as well. Shout out to Rhyme Style, friend of the show as well. Oh, the three idiots. Yeah. And if you like any of that content, basically, or if you want to, like, grab a card, it is accessible. You just have to go on, like, TCG Player and buy the cards in, like, light play condition or something. And don't buy graded cards or if you buy graded cards buy them at a lower grade because there is an accessible market like it like you can get like really cool cards for cheap some very cool cards are cents

you know what i mean you know and and um some cards are really just rare because of the grade that they have. And so if you find stuff that you like, there's ways to collect on a budget. And it's a fun hobby. And there's different ways to collect. You can collect art from different artists. You can open up booster packs. It's fun. You can collect art from different artists.

You can complete sets. I guess it is a slightly different hobby when it's, you're not also a creator or you're not even, because even though like your focus is on publishing them, you do have, like we have a peer group of people that enjoy it that are posting them or where it is a priority. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Whereas like big old fucking losers, like a certain Canadian friend of ours. Hey, Hey, come on now. He's like a, he's like Mr. Beast of some regard. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's one of those types. It would be really interesting to have a Mr. Beast contemporary. Obviously, Mr. Beast being on the show would be interesting, but there's a lot of contemporaries of his that are like that, and I would be... It's so interesting. We were talking about Curtis, by the way, and not Mr. Beast. No, he's Canadian, maybe.

Yeah. It would be interesting to have someone on and get their and get their experience of seeing mr beast blow up and then there's no way you're not emulating it to a degree he's like obviously yeah i mean sneeko is one of them yeah he's crushing it the legend of the ratio right he's invented like a new version of getting ratioed where the num the views to like ratio is criminal, dude. That is such a funny thing to look at now because Elon has made views public or impressions as they're traditionally known. But when you see something that's got like a crazy take online that has like a million views and 42 likes you're like

this is incredible it's a really cathartic year for dumb internet people to get called out like i don't want to be too optimistic because there's always the fear of like oh the tape brothers will just get out or yeah sneak all he's got enough of an audience whatever but he is being like devastated like he he is performing so poorly rumble is a nothing platform yeah there's no one there and the ones that aren't it's weird because it's also like he's getting he's continuing to get platformed by people who do have like big audiences like aiden ross and stuff um and i just don't know where that where that train stops but i'm i want nothing to do with it i mean not to like make well i guess there's a pretty direct comparison

to a lot of white supremacy stuff in that group. But like the fundamental flaw for white supremacists in white supremacy or any kind of like domination structure is that by definition, white supremacists are, they're exclusionary. That's a thing they do is get rid of something they don't like. And that is an endless void. So if they succeed and there's no people of color, Italians become the people of color.

Italians are taken care of, the Irish become people of color. It is all about like scaling down. Because that's happened before. It's so unsustainable what Aiden is doing, partially because he's part Jewish. I mean, that like dog, Nick Frenzentes is gonna throw you away like an old rag and like that's the weirdest yeah that's the weirdest thing because Nick Fuentes goes on like goes online and talks about how he just doesn't like like the stuff that he says is so anti-semitic

it's it's like extreme and I think he celebrates that that he's like willing to go there he loves it he's not a you just called anyone you don't like a Nazi yeah he's like I'm a professional Nazi no yeah which is weird yeah I'm a a JV Nazi yeah it's my scholarship came from being a fascist yeah it's very odd um but shout outs to being awful there was that clip of um i think noah friend of the show noah sampson um like tweeted that he was like this is the saddest 56 seconds i've ever seen did you see it where it was a oh actually i don't want to show it because again i don't want to give too much play to this but it was uh it was sneeko and some other creators um oh yeah and it there was like we're gonna do push-ups or something and aiden ross was there as well and was like uh

he's like let's do boy they're like let's do push-ups. And then Sonequa starts doing some, like, half push-ups or whatever. And then Aiden stops, and he's like, oh, no, chat's saying it's cringe, so I can't do it. And I was like, that's so funny. Oh, man. Feels good, though. Feels good for them to know. Because a lot of these people also only care about how they're perceived.

It's got nothing to do with the quality of their content. Literally, if you see chat going, that's cringe it's just it's like oh okay then i won't i don't have any i don't have independent wants or thoughts or needs it's really just like whether or not chat says pog or cringe yeah also they don't see me as a real human being which i usually benefit from but right now it's not in this moment yeah please it's a double-edged sword um that's why it's easier to kind of be beloved yeah be unproblematic kings actually actually be epic bacon that's what i am i uh even with the the me and ethan collab from a year ago whatever which is the jordan peterson watching stuff which deserves a sequel now now that he has become an even greater

cartoon of himself i don't know dude i saw him tweet some stuff god he's so funny now bro he's so funny he he saw his platform at least on some subconscious level he saw himself kind of gradually drifting because he he doesn't have the like i keep getting old over the high schoolers day the same age kind of thing where like there's there's always new Cocomelon viewers, you know? Jordan Peterson's viewers are just getting older and nobody's filtering in. And he sees that on some subconscious level and he wants to hang with the homies. He's like, I need to get back on Joe Rogan. Now I'm wearing a funny suit.

Me and Ben should hang out more. But, you know, Shapiro's not replying to him. He's like, yeah, maybe next weekend or whatever. And so he's like, maybe next weekend or whatever and so he's like okay we'll post wild and then say that it then like racially apply it to an entire country exactly and then but then i'm also concerned a little bit because he will like slur his words in a tweet. Like, did you see that one where he, like, he literally just like said a bunch of shit at the end of a tweet. And I was like, does this not concern anyone else?

So you fall asleep on the keyboard? Yeah, no, that's like what it, what it looks like. And I'm like, okay, maybe this isn't as fun to like, I mean, it's funny to make fun of because this person is actively harmful and they're spreading harmful misinformation. But on the other hand, I'm like, is this guy okay? Well, it's actually kind of a Kanye thing for me where I'm like, first of all, I find it a little offensive sometimes when people attribute too much of like bipolar to Kanye's actions. Right.

Because that's just like, bipolar makes you insane. There's tons of people with bipolar who are not also nazis yeah and it's the especially in the case of jordan peterson everything that he's doing the worse he gets the worst any of those guys get is just the logical end point of what they were always doing right it's not like oh well now jordan peterson he something about the benzos made him a racist right no they just made him a louder racist yeah a more confident racist the can't type yeah because he's i mean yeah it's like i i think that this happens with uh any sort of um neuro atypical people i think that when they are publicly

dealing with something it becomes the whole story like an excuse for behavior right well now it's oh well now it's attributable to mental illness but anything you're suffering from like like some kind of trauma that's bullshit that doesn't exist right you're complaining about it what do you mean go to therapy just think different things like stop thinking about it so what do you like just don't be depressed no'm scared. I can't go to therapy because then they'll bring up that insane dream I had about my grandma that I won't even repeat. Do you remember that? No.

In one of his books, he tells a story that like, I don't even encourage, well, if you're over 18, go and read it because it is, this was actually before he ended his like truly deranged period before the sequel era that we're now in yeah post twitter jacket or whatever oh right he it's the most unhinged tweet i've ever seen why would you it's so it's sneeko saying like he did with the other day with hey never go to orgies with you yeah why are you writing why are you writing yeah yeah it almost felt like he was trying to be in on the it always kind of feels like the i'm not owned to stuff where it's like oh i'm in on the joke and it's like i'm actually laughing yeah yeah standing in the

corner of the party pissing himself yeah because it's like um nobody knows i get it because charlie was like also you defend cuties and all this other stuff and he's like i it was a psych yeah actually i was joking i was memeing and you uh it's bait oh can i talk about how much i hate that i hate how um when someone has a bad take online people like this is just bait oh it's like because the worst cowardly anything that's a trap or bait like it absolves you of any consequence like actually that bad opinion was uh you fell for the trick the new brand is anybody with like eight numbers at the end of their username you go on their account and it's like yeah if you're reading this i got you yeah but the tweet that got you through there was like

does anybody know where sex happens yeah which hole is for me i'm having trouble i got you oh my god can the thing i wanted to address is the um clip of him with adam 22 talking about how gross vaginas are and i was like this is the wildest shit i've ever seen why are you saying this out loud it's basically like i'm grossed out because girls have cooties like in uh sucking dicks is normal i don't like cooties i like it's bad i love cooties i hate cooties yeah there you go and i hate cooters and also like that's such a weird it's such a weird thing that all these, like, hyper-masculine dudes are like, yeah, I don't pleasure my girl. Oh, yeah, dude. I don't, sorry, my partner's sexual satisfaction.

Kind of gay. Don't you think? Kissing a girl? Fellas, is it gay to please your partner? Yeah. Oh, I want to kiss a nice, soft girl. Bro. Yeah.

For hell. Oh, I want to kiss a nice soft girl. Bro. Yeah. It's weird. I don't want to get to, you know, sad boys nights on this podcast. You want to hear a little bit more of that? Sign up for the $5 tier or above at patreon.com. What he said. The Patreon has been going super well, by the way. We've got a really supportive community in there. Thank you to everybody who's supporting us.

You did send me that interesting tweet the other day that was somebody just like, wow, I'm never used to the comments being so nice yeah yeah moving through the patreon comments and when you read comments on youtube it is like a deep methodical breath between like that one was okay that one's nice yeah yeah you're with bated breath on every comment and then you see you're like wincing like you're about to get a shot you know when you see like a one to two paragraph. Oh my God. It's like getting a block of gray text when you wake up in the morning.

And it's like, okay, this is either like Jarvis needs to end the podcast or Jarvis has great news. Right, no, it's like praise. It's like, it's either praise or the worst take you've ever heard. Oh dude, when you get a Slack, you look at your Slack and it has 40 messages and they're all from your manager. Oh no. Like, what's going on? And they're all from your manager. Oh, no. Like, what's going on? And they're just only writing a sentence at a time. It's like the equivalent of the like, hey, do you have time to chat?

Days in advance. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a war crime. Yeah, true. That's like truly cruel. It's the we need to talk text. Dude.

Is it about breaking up? Because we can do that right now. Yeah, yeah. Do you? Just if you need to break up with me, tell me. We need to talk about breaking up in a week. Yeah. It's criminal, man.

And also, I have called out, it wasn't like a recent break. It was a couple, a breakup a couple years ago. I don't know how specific I want to be. A breakup in the past. The catalyst for like. At the place that we can't name your old address yeah which is oh no that's the current one uh there was the foundation for a breakup was somebody saying we need to talk and it was they were not breaking up with me they were like they just had like a

an issue we need to talk about yeah and i gave the feedback of like you know this is hurtful because we this time before and i've given you that feedback yeah you're doing this to make me feel anxious and i i don't i think that is like emotionally inconsiderate. Manipulative in a way. I think it's like, especially if you have the context of like, if you have the conversation of, hey, you know, this can really make me anxious and stuff, then doing it knowingly feels, it feels like inconsiderate.

Charitably. And it's not like front porching it where I'm like, Oh, I'm not as bothered by this feedback now that I knew it was coming for three days. Yeah. And I catastrophized all the worst things. And then the feedback literally was like on the tier of,

I want you to respond to text more. Oh yeah. Which you can't send out a text. No, you can't. Right. Right. You wouldn't see it.

You have to send the only text that'll get a response out of you is we need to talk. I don't know if this is a knight's tier, like not like a warrior in the medieval period. Sad Boys Knights, the bonus episode. I don't know if this is like something we want to put behind the paywall a little bit because maybe it's like a little too, but what is your most common dating blocker like the thing that has shut down i don't necessarily mean like didn't connect over there so the vibes were off the like three to four dates in oh there's this unbridgeable like oh yeah okay i think i don't even know how to classify this behavior so i'll tell you something that happened and then we can work backwards and figure out what happened.

Okay. Like what kind of red flag it is. Kind of inductive reasoning. Yeah. So I did not give too many details away. Went to a party and at the party. I like what I'm hearing. At the time of going to this party,

I had gone on two dates with someone. And at the party, I saw a friend who I had like really was just meeting in person for the first time. And they said, hey, can we take a picture together? And so we took a picture together. And they also took pictures with other people who were at the party and they put all those pictures in a carrot like a uh in an instagram post you know the slide slide what is it called when it's like multiple photos on instagram uh it's called cheating it's called you cheating on the person you were yeah exactly so they it was like a photo with jarvis a photo with some other creators a photo with some other creators, a photo with, yeah, other, you know, large creators on the internet.

And, incredibly like banger, funny kind of, I was not in the photos. No, no, no. So I got a text after this friend posted this photo of her amongst friends and goes,

if you're seeing someone else, just tell me. It's so funny. It's so insane. And I like uh pardon yeah i was like what do you mean and it was like you you you know took a photo with this girl and then she posted a whole slideshow and i was like of other of her with other people. We were in group photos of like, and also in what universe am I like cheating on someone like, or, or like, like really trying to play somebody and letting like, like post it, like letting them post like I'm Instagram official with somebody else. Like, it's just, but it felt, it made me feel like my female friendships. When someone makes me feel, here it is.

When someone makes me feel like they're threatened by my female friendships. Because this is just a friend. It's like, if I can't be trusted by someone I'm dating that like the women who I'm friends with are just friends. Yeah. Then that's, that's definitely a red flag. I think it's a like sign of disrespect to not be trusted by someone that doesn't even really know you yeah like to i people some people would feel the opposite like well i don't know if i can trust them i don't come to people with

the assumption that they're untrustworthy and i think it speaks to a certain worldview that i find a bit off-putting and like a lack of self-soothe like to also text that it's not to feel it and then consider it or to ask it as a question just inconsiderate like i think that there's ways to if you have so i want to normalize like it's okay to have anxieties it's okay to like express those to someone you're dating um But the presumption and the like combativeness of it when I had done nothing wrong felt very like unfair. And also like if you want to have a conversation, we can have a conversation. But I understand that those things come from personal experience, but you still have to be responsible for your actions. And like, of like, Hey, I don't want you taking photos with any other woman, because I'm

going to presume that that person is someone you're romantically involved with is just like, just not okay with me. Yeah. That sounds bad. That's a very bad plate to have to spin three dates in. That's what I'm saying. It's's like it would be one thing if we had had conversations about this if i had given this person any reason to like be distrustful of me specifically but we had just we were just getting to know each other like and uh also that's why i'm single did any point in that bondership say that things would be exclusive no never it was literally like it was so early like it was two dates in oh man that's i also look okay i don't know if this is a base take or not most of what i said in general i'm is like fucking fire and i don't tend to miss and i don't

know where the letter m is for miss i don't know where l is for taking it the only letter in the alphabet is w actually that i, if you can believe that. Or Z for Dragon Ball. Someone can help me find the other letters. Who's to say? All I need is the dub, it turns out. All I need is the dub. You just speak in Ws.

Actually, nobody else can find the W because I took it. Oh, yeah. All they've got left is Ls. All I can take it. Yeah. Everyone turn the podcast off. I don't think that bad previous relationship experience with being cheated on is a reasonable precedent for that either.

I think it's okay to be, as you said, anxious. Yeah. But just as it would be unreasonable for me to get extremely angry because i had had previously like very angry relationships it is a look you can do it and hopefully you have a reasonable partner i've had people be jealous and doubtful and then communicate it in an okayish way and let's get to talk about it but you are an adult and you're responsible for the things you say and do out loud and if the consequence you're worried about is me not wanting to talk to you anymore then i'm not going to

change i'm not your fucking therapist you are going to be like there are consequences to you doing this there are consequences because this shit i'm not doing through self-control right i am being the grown-up yeah i know it's like you yeah it's like i want you know i think i'm the the line i'm trying to tow is like i want to like allow space to be like an imperfect partner or an imperfect person but when you you're like essentially talking to a stranger and then you can start to feel like someone's because maybe me feeling like I'm being it's like a little controlling to like get something like that maybe that's it a concern I have from previous relationships but I would be concerned about if they're this poor communicator with me

what are they going to be like with my female friends at a party right or just like or if this is if this is a thing right now that's coming up that's pretty minute and pretty cut and dry that it's like totally normal it's like this person posted fun with friends and i'm in one of nine photos with this person and now i need to play the pronoun game when we're talking about who I'm hanging out with. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm going to go and hang out with a gender neutral named person. Right.

That's, she identifies as a girl, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Don't, but in an okay way. You, and what you mean by that is not like a, like a right wing anti-pronoun thing. No, I'm an attack helicopter. Now I have to play the but you just mean like it's a classic term for avoiding pronouns so that your partner is not

jealous i mean like play uh exactly game for their benefit yeah you just don't want to feel you want to feel like a psychological safety in a relationship it makes you feel guilty yeah for just having normal healthy relationships you did a normal thing and they were going to send you to jail for it so now it's like well shit okay i just i just won't yeah what am i supposed to do yeah that's that's it's also very bold it's like if i would have text that i would be like oh it's over like there's no way i can do this and it's not has that worked before like that has i know you've dated people said that and it slid off the back? The response to it was like, I think I just sort of said my piece about it. And then they were like, well, if I'm wrong, then I apologize.

And I'm like. I just thought you are. You are wrong. If? If you're wrong, then you apologize. I'm like, so I just don't think that even if you were like just taking a, they're like, I took a wild guess. And if I'm wrong, hey, I'll own up to it. That's my truth.

Yeah, but I was just like, wait, what? Yeah, if you say that about anything else, if you're like, hey, man, just my opinion, what can I say? And if I'm wrong? I'm sorry you feel upset about that. Yeah, exactly. Soy, soy piss baby. That's the most common?

That kind of thing is the most common um it has it came up a few times in a row um you just keep taking photos with women yeah i gotta stop doing that it's also just a thing of like and and i have to say that like women online get this way worse than i do or at least like I think that men at large do, but speaking from my own personal experience, um, I think dating writ large is like a more hazardous and stressful thing. But if I'm ever on camera with a woman, people are going to assume that we're together or they're going to, uh, uh, ship us. And I think that the, and that is uncomfortable because it, it's like, I was talking to a friend of mine, like sort of a female friend of mine. And she was like, am I going to have to change my behavior when, you know, I'm around guys on camera because people are just going to, and it's like, I, you should have the safety to like be yourself without having people from afar you know try to go like you should you two should get together or something like that i

don't want to give too many specifics but like yeah sure or even like endorse the comments acknowledge that we're seeing them or engaging with them i had someone it's a little fetishy as well it's like fetishizing people speaks to a lack of understanding of community speaks the fact that you probably don't have any friends of the identity that you are attracted to yeah i had you probably don't have any female friends someone i was dating saw me interact with a friend and then was like i bet you two have been intimate together before. What are you doing? And I'm like, what is happening right now? Be insane, but be polite.

You're allowed to think crazy things. I'm like, what is happening right now? This is like so strange. Am I too tactful? Am I being manipulative by not saying my insane thoughts out loud? Yeah, like literally. If you're a lizard in your skin in human skin you have to tell me um if i'm wrong i apologize um i was gonna throw another weird hypothetical at you if you had to turn into an animal like right now no oh you would say no i

don't want to do that at all which would you pick if you had to i'm like i'm an evil wizard and it's happening is there a skin oh do i have intellect of jordan oh and do i turn back at some point no because i guess i wouldn't care because i'm a beast yeah but i mean hey like you but you get to you it's your last wish before you get to turn into an animal it's like what animal do you get to go be uh i'll be one of those dogs that knows how to use buttons to communicate you'd be like bunny i'll be a flambo yeah yeah like we're uh i want that i want that hilarious button that they have this is these are typically you know like tiktok youtube dogs yeah that will have a collection of like 20 or so buttons that say things like

people person walk snack cuddle yeah and they always have the funny one which is i think the funniest ones to me are they'll be like uh what is dog who has soul yeah exactly so i think you would be the one you would be one of those animals that goes i am trapped i once was a podcaster you're looking around nervously yeah you wander away yeah can we go on walk to police yeah i used to love walking as human please call 9-1-1 um why do i have these? Please. My dog keeps saying, please change me back. Please. Curtis, help me.

Next series of the show. Yeah. There's no time. There's no time. I'm aging in dog years. He did this to me. Jarvis did. Jarvis Johnson.

URL is YouTube.com. Yeah. So many buttons. This is so, how do they, it's a corny keyboard. Yeah. Or I guess I would be something epic bacon like a friggin falcon oh yeah a bird of prey is such a cool way bird of prey is very cool all right how about you damn i think i would also be a dog what about a bug uh what little bug a bug no i feel like my lifespan would be super short and everyone would hate me and i would

feel it even though i can't yeah even though i can't think like i probably don't have a brain that can do that you don't even have the mass to press buttons no i can't fly so hard imagine yeah you're a cockroach is like trying to press the button please i have a family. Don't do it. What happened? A witch's curse. No, not the spray. This is my nom. I pissed in a witch's cauldron, and she did this to me. Damn. That's real.

Jacob, what creature would you, what grand beast would you become? Probably a cat. Oh, I get cat butts. A simple and correct answer, yeah. You could lie down in the sun for a calendar year yeah like you just yeah anything that can ponder um jordan i i uh i want to ask you something this is gonna sound this is gonna sound weird oh can you read this sentence sentence oh hmm it's like anytime somebody asks you to read

and you're like what do I sound like it's funny because it's because I literally it's just the words let's get started and you were treating it like I asked you like figure out a hieroglyph there's a slur in between I feel like I can't i guess i did kind

of give it away with the this this thing right here um let's get started that's that's how i would expect you to say hey what is going so okay no time i realized that you know we've been friends for a long time and there's a very old video of mine that you had a little cameo in. And you say exactly this line. Which video is that? Oh, is it? It's literally a very quick cameo. Like I appear.

And I just want you to, I heard. Let's get started. Oh, is that? Wait, let me guess. Wait, wait, wait. I know what it's like. Is it? Let's get started.

Like I enunciate more? Let's see. Let's like. Is it? Let's get started. Like I enunciate more? Let's see. Let's see. Okay. I hate this, by the way. Yeah. Yeah, boys. Let's get started. Where's your Invisalign? Let's get started. Let's get started. Yeah. Yeah, boys. Let's get started.

Where's your Invisalign? Let's get started. Let's get started. Yeah. Let's get started. With every day not in tech anymore, the T's drift away. Yeah. I mean, I kind of dig how you sound now.

This guy was like, who's this guy? I think I'm much more comfortable. I mean, you just get sick of people saying, huh? Yeah. Like repeating stuff plus uh so anybody wants to know what i what i sounded like sounded like if you watched the in-betweeners i sounded like uh simon the kind of default one not the posh will and not the not wacky Jay. I sound like Simon. All of the words you're saying right now sound like a fucking foreign language to me. I wasn't wacky Jay or slime ball or whatever. Slime ball, bing bong, yeah.

No, I used to, I think a lot of people here, they know posh or they know cockney. They basically just know anything that's like in Chernobyl, the TV show, you know? Oh, hello there oh alright yes master it's just like

this sound apples and pears oh yeah like a Guy Ritchie movie called like Crunk the Wonkers like you best be getting order

for night what you guys talking about go order we will alright I'm but I I remember it made me really you guys talking about go on to WeWoo alright alright I'm kidding

but I I remember it made me really insecure at one point because in my like first year at Patreon the there was some posh I was about to say

C word I believe that for knights oh shit cracker oh frick you said it the one that the Americans

they're here the police the Twitch police there was some yeah like oh frick you said it the one that the americans they're here the police that you guys don't see uh there are some yeah like and he was he was posh and he was from visiting from the uk and he was like yeah i can tell you're starting to lose your accent which is very fucking annoying by the way because you're wrong to say you like don't know you don't know that you are not traveled you haven't lived in both countries like yeah there are a lot of people who just don't know like people so rude people like like to think they know things like when people think you're australian and stuff or the same it's the same type of person that's like start speaking like

you at a party and then it's like yeah i just start doing it's my i just pick up accents i guess like that's not a fun trait no it's it's annoying. It's an annoying way to be. It's a, how do you feel about people who, when you're talking and we have friends like this, you'll, you'll be saying something and they just start finishing your sentences with you.

Oh, incorrectly, often incorrectly. Finishing your sandwiches. Yeah. Yeah. But it'll literally be like, um,

yeah, I'm going to go get some lunch. like light some light i lie out and they just say it at the same time and i'm like why are you doing that some lunch yeah yeah yeah let me i'm like let me fucking finish my own thoughts you know who knows the answer is me i'm saying it right now and i and i think a lot of people who do it do it um unconsciously i think a lot of people we've were oh like a lot of people just anyone will do it um unconsciously i think a lot of people we've were like a lot of people just anyone will work with especially in our kind of age demo and work background i guess have read that they need to be active listeners right and active communicators and have

misunderstood that to just be louder and more it's also different than if you know someone is struggling for a word or or pausing to think of a word i will usually be like hang on i got it or something like that but if uh it's in a casual conversation and you throw out a word i don't have an issue with that i have an issue with like when you're talking they're saying alongside you oh i i don't want to be nervous about taking that pause yeah because also if you suggest a word and it's wrong thoughts gone whatever i was gonna say is completely dissolved if i ever do it with with you in the case of the podcast or vice versa or whatever i noticed that we give each other about 10 to 20 seconds it is like enough time to give ourselves

we know we've forgotten it as opposed to just like buffering, you know, like just shutting the laptop because the thing's not playing immediately. I feel that way about people saying, yeah, sure. As your sentences end, like agree.

Like if you like have every, after every slide in a slide show, you're like, okay, yeah, that's what I like to see. I think I do this a little bit. Like, um, I will do a lot of, and then I'll do a lot of, yeah, but I do think it's spaced throughout it. But the goal is to say like, I am listening, but it's not after every little thing. Or to validate a point that is maybe,

they don't know if they're expressing it correctly or maybe it's complicated or they're clearly coming to the end of a run. I just can't, I had somebody I used to manage at a previous place I worked. It was feedback that I gave them because it was their first critical communication job like they had to learn email formatting right forget that that's like a thing you have to learn that is

how to communicate also be more concise in like text documents and just it's just little nuances that everybody nobody is born with and there's no shame in that thing but they became an excellent communicator but at one point just post-college, like, give me a couple lines. Just give me like a couple, like a paragraph. Oh, so I had a great meeting with Joe. Sure. Okay. That's, that's hard.

No, this is far away. I can't. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, so me and Mark are going to have lunch and we're going to talk about. I can't even keep going. Big Mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eat Mark are going to have lunch and then we're going to talk about. Mark loves to eat. What can I say?

Okay. Yeah. Um, so anyway, yeah, I was thinking of quitting. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Quitting job, quitting the work. Yeah. Quitting the work.

Yeah. Oh, that's funny. Mark will do that. He'll do that. I'll do that's the other thing is and i really do think it's like the you just got to be careful listening to gary v and careful reading how to make friends and influence people whatever dale carnegie you've got to just be cautious with the active listening part because sometimes it is just like oh i need to prove that this conversation's working right and it is it's just like yeah i'm getting married oh matrimony yeah yeah to a wife or otherwise yes yes yes yes yes yes yeah i don't know your

sexual orientation or who you tend to date but yeah that one right right and i was just trying to get a word in edgewise and you're jumping in there yeah a lot of podcasts are like that to be fair that's true i i mean even when you were saying that i was like right like in the middle of it but i i felt like, you know. I think there's like, well, that's what's complicated. It's not always, always wrong. Right. It's like bad improv.

I just did it. Yeah. It's like bad improv, right? It's just, it's okay to jump in sometimes, but not when the foundations are being built. Like I'm at the hospital. You are at the hospital. Yeah. But there's a dinosaur too yeah yeah yeah um building a fire the classic i feel like we might be calling out people much like in the last episode where uh i called out people for watching things at 2x speed i said um as deserved as i think you want to get back into a lot of people were like, a lot of people were like, well, I have ADHD.

So this is how and I'm like, we also like it was we were on with Nick and I was all three of us have diagnosed ADHD. And that's but I also did say you're valid. You're you're you're you're valid in how you are. You're weird and it's fine i just personally there's just a certain cadence to speech and stuff that i suppose the people from what i've read from their many many comments they it's like very just difficult for them to focus and this is the way that they the only way that they can focus the way i saw that problem is by not watching those things at all. So that's like,

that's I avoid. It's why I don't read as much as I should. Cause I get so bored. Yeah. But then every time I see one of those things, it's like, here's the, we invented a new way to read and we just like flick the words at your

face and they just like get fucking injected into your brain. I'm like, Hey, if I could do that, I would, I would read a lot more. Cause that's like hard to, it's hard to ignore. Yeah, you're very valid in it. I think what is weird is more the, when I listen to something at even 1.5x speed,

I'm distracted by the fact that I'm listening to something at 1.5x speed. Right. Yeah, I get distracted easily. So I play it extremely loud and it shakes the windows in my house and like all i'm thinking about is that like the glasses are falling off my shelves and shit my eardrums rattling out of my fucking head uh i am that way with uh some like audiobooks i really some i am that way with somebody with audiobooks and stuff at one point i was really

into them and i really was enjoying myself but some narrators are maybe a little too methodical with it and i'm sure if i were more flexible i would it's kind of the dubs v subs thing with anime yeah where i am if i can get over my fucking pride always less distracted by bad dubs i would watch so much more anime because i don't look at the screen the whole time like i just can't to sit down even change something i'm way behind on it because i'm like i kind of want to be cleaning or i kind of want to be doing something i'm going insane by the way i want to be playing destiny well i don't know not Not anymore. I've quit. I'm sober. Oh, okay. Another thing I wanted to... Oh, Destiny the game.

Sorry, not that watching Destiny the streamer. I should be very clear. Destiny 2. D double O. That's all that needs to be said about that. Blue hair pronouns. So I wanted to show you something which I found on Twitter, but I can't find the original tweet about it blue hair pronouns so i wanted to show you something which which i found on twitter but

i can't find the original tweet about it because it was one of those situations where um somebody just the caption is like i found the worst thing ever or whatever and then it's this i'll just leave this here yeah yeah exactly um these people don't deserve platforms um i just don't i dislike them i don't like them at all time to kill yeah okay so I'm just gonna show you this without any without any context I literally don't know what this is

looks like an influencer Sammy what's the best part of your day daily gratitude how do you practice gratitude journaling what is your word for the day alignment sunshine how do you practice gratitude journaling what is your word for the day alignment favorite part of nature sunshine favorite ways to help with self-love taking care of myself

and can't wait to share more of nutrition what's for lunch today a foodable and what's next for form you'll find out really soon what's next for form? You'll find out really soon. What's your favorite way of taking care of yourself? Taking care of myself. What's your best way of loving yourself? Doing it. Doing it. Doing it in love with myself. Love your eyes.

I just felt that there is this kind of like Gwyneth Paltrow-ification of like wellness where it's been like turned into this very like wealthy like kind of hard to access like it feels like there's been this like paywall and class thing put over over like general well-being and it's got um I don't even know how to put words to it i'm still trying to formulate it in my own in my own head but this felt like a sketch yeah this feels like a joke

based on the 73 questions things it is yeah yeah and i think that this is like that's that was the what they were going for but then the it just feels like in in and i could be completely out of pocket here it just feels like nothing is happening she's recording it in the villa from the godfather yeah it's always in like tulum or whatever i think that it's interesting to see that there's it's almost like a gender presentation flip of rise and grind gary v culture yeah where aggression is here replaced with like calm wellness and yeah it's like uh it's it's such a it's my mindset is so meditative that like i don't even have feedback or ideas for you i'm just it's like it's almost like a dog whistle to people that know what she's talking about yeah like oh bootable. Yeah, but what are you eating? What is that? I don't understand.

Yeah, I'm like, I'm trying to find the initial tweet, but I'm struggling. Because maybe it was just a friend of mine who posted. Oh, here it is. Oh, it was Mooncat. Or Moonacat. Because she said, I hate when I'm just wandering around my villa mic'd up,

full makeup, about to tuck into a fat foodable and someone harasses me in the camera asking my favorite way to practice self-love and i have to align all the chakras in my body to resist the urge to masturbation um you know one thing that's always a little uncomfortable about this uh the a lot of the terminology and wellness stuff is that there is a lot a lot of religious terminology and cultural appropriation there is like yeah i'm aligning my chakras and that's not like sorry your chakras isn't like your core it's not like your obliques right it is like a my biceps it is a spiritual lifelong pursuit and maintenance and it's just like well i also i grew up in a town where a lot

of white people wore bindis on their forehead oh wow a lot of people um because they just love the culture man it's like people say that they love eastern medicine and they mean like turmeric or something i okay this is i don't know how to i don't know how people are going to take this i went to a coffee shop today there's a nice woman there who said oh i love your hair white woman and i was like oh thank oh it wasn't to a friend or something no it was to me and I was like this is a compliment but it feels coded yeah it feels like I don't know how to put it but it made me uncomfortable because she kept kind of you know sometimes people give you compliments that like make you feel like like you're a piece of meat a little bit sometimes. Literally objectifying.

Yeah. Like literally objectifying in a way that it was like, I don't, I'm just going to be nice. Right. But afterward it was very similar. Okay. A different thing happened to me yesterday where I accidentally cut someone off, but we were, it was traffic, but everyone was moving very

slowly. And I actually thought the car next to me was parked because I thought, you know, sometimes people will park on one of the lanes on like the right most lane. And sometimes during certain hours, it won't be available. So I made a mistake, but every, but this car wasn't moving. And I slowly started to like turn and realize they were moving. No one was at risk. And we were moving at like three miles per hour, right? But the guy like looked at me and just, I looked at the like sort of anger in his face and he goes, fuck you.

And I was like, oh my gosh. Like, I don't even know, like to do that, you must have assumed that i had ill intent almost like a privilege i would love to be so confident in my hate like it felt like it felt racially motivated like the anger in his eyes and i don't think it was i hope it wasn't but i was just like i can't like just something happened and we go hey fuck off and i was like oh gosh it takes so many steps to get me to conflict and not that i'm afraid of conflict there's just a i will assume the best of someone it's just very upsetting to me to have an old

white man make a very foul face and and tell me like be mean to me we also have a lifetime of people wanting to touch hair yeah so there's there's a sensitivity here and i've also had like drive-bys where people like call me the n-word and like you driving and stuff and so but uh that's for subways nights um i don't know why i told that story you were talking about the woman objective oh yeah it's just like these weird little happenings yesterday where I was like hmm because it you know what it is it's like there's this brand

of like kind of granola white lady where they have like they have locks in their hair you know what I mean and I'm like okay and then it comes from a place of love it comes from a place of love because actually i love all black people i love it's like carmen from i felt like she was about to call me a beautiful creature you know what i

mean like that's what it felt like when she was telling flashback yeah i like it wasn't like she said oh i love your hair and that was nice but i'm also like i my hair was like super nappy like it was just like not like my hair wasn't done and so it just i it's kind of like um if someone said like hey love your shoes and you were wearing like like ratty old like tennis shoes you know and uh it's also like look, I can be projecting. I will admit that. The most charitable read I'll give is that you're tactless, this person, because you must know this cliche, right? There is a cliche, yeah. It is 2023.

It's time to sit your ass down on this. Because at the very least, self-preservation-wise, polit wise politeness wise you have to know not to say that i don't care you live in california dog there's no way you've just been saying this for this long but there is a brand of person and i feel like i am unfairly painting with a broad brush when i say this but it feels very similar to one of my friends is in town from New York and was like all on like the super West side of LA and went to like a wellness center thing with their friend who is now doing like, who's now leading like Reiki stuff. And, and then they were there and they were, they were like, it made me genuinely uncomfortable because like these guys were coming up to me and they were like, um, are you feeling,

are you feeling Saturn right now? Like, I mean, crazy, right? Like we all know, we all share this experience. Oh, by the way, what's your big three. And that's like something I know from, you know, I guess dating in, where it's like your big three like signs or whatever. Yeah, that's what the person that I went on that date with that brought this snake said. What? She was a marketing consultant plus met him in the Philz. They used to go to every day in San Francisco. I really, I mean mean i really messed up i never reached out never had a follow-up date but she did

bring her i don't know two foot long thin canyon hi canyon snake which was named i forget the name but it was a canyon name which is interesting okay interesting choice well yeah i've also most canyon names are just like the most biblical first name you've ever heard. And then just a word that nobody knows how to spell. Yeah, it's just like Peter Odeambo. But you're supposed to say it with a TH. Yeah. There is, it was so sick that she brought the snake.

And it's such a bummer that I made zero emotional connection with this consultant slash Reiki healer. Right. Shout outs. But, but the snake's still alive. My friend who was also a white woman was like, I like just truly did not connect.

Like, it was just like, I felt like a fish out of water here. And that's kind of how I feel watching this content. Cause I'm like, it does feel like the Gary V for like a different type of person because i'm like it's it like uh gwyneth paltrow got into a bunch of hot water recently no pun intended uh got into a bunch of bone broth recently she really got into kind of buddha ball from what i remember um where is the gwyneth Paltrow clip? Oh, fuck.

You're such a ghoul. How do you spell Gwyneth Paltrow? Like Goop, Gwyneth Paltrow's company, has gotten into a bunch of trouble constantly over the years. For like, I think kind of just being the like capitalist extreme of this kind of ideology. It is the perfect exemplar of this kind of ideology. She's the, it is the perfect exemplar of what we're talking about and the most well known and most kind of affluent and because it's attached to Gwyneth

Paltrow. Yeah. The Avengers is popular, you know, goop. Yeah. I just feel like, um,

I, I always feel weird speaking about this because I don't like really think it's my place to speak on it. But I do find it interesting. And so I will tell you what other people said. I think we can speak at least a little bit to cultural and racial fetishizing, which is the foundation, I think, of a lot of, I mean, wellness culture. It's where a lot of terminology comes from it's why yoga is such a significant part of it right it's not like i'm not doing pilates that's not spiritual yeah i'm doing i'm teaching yoga which is a religion also for for me yeah and

i just don't there's just if people want to let us know more um and you will in fact we are we are open like it's not like we're super close-minded about this um but this don't watch stuff on 2x speed this that's the one that's our one line uh but no if you do that that's okay we do really support you um so there's this clip that went around it's like what is your what is your wellness routine look like okay is the question also wait what is wellness as a term has always given me it's always given me the the vibe of like a a synonym for what it should actually be called yeah do you know what i mean it's like wellness feels so marketing oriented as a phrase what is it what's a synonym for that what is any other version of it it's like rise and grind what is the wellness version of that yeah what is it why is it wellness wellness has kind of been taken over a little bit it's like

how um a lot of like dispensaries before full legalization of weed would call themselves like medicine. Yeah. Maybe like medicine or treatment. Or something that's like a plant milk. People that aren't say like training for a boxing event, they're just working out, call it training. Oh yeah. Like what are you training for?

I'm training for, you know, going outside. Yeah. I'm training for the event um okay so this is this does there's two parts to this story gene looks like now i eat dinner early in the evening i do a nice intermittent fast i usually eat something about 12 um and in the morning i'll have some things that won't spike my blood sugar right right? So I have coffee, but I really like soup for lunch. I have bone broth for lunch a lot of the days. Try to do one hour of movement. So I'll either take a walk or I'll do Pilates or I'll do my Tracy Anderson. And then I get in the sauna. I dry brush

and I get in the sauna. So I do my infrared sauna for 30 minutes. And then for dinner, I try to eat, you know, according to paleo. So lots of vegetables. It's really important for me to support my detox. So like, I was just like, I was just like, you didn't list that much food. I don't want to like, I don't like, it's a weird thing to comment on because I'm not an expert. But when I heard it, I was like, okay, so coffee has zero calories or like five calories or whatever. And then bone broth, okay. And then you eat some vegetables at dinnertime.

How many? I don't know. Also, the question, what's your wellness routine? And the only thing other than diet was one hour of physical movement. In the sauna. An infrared sauna. I don't even know what that is. It's just, yeah, it was basically just like, go for a walk and then use your magic $15 million machine.

That you built. Robert Downey Jr. got you as a gift. Yeah, it's powered by the core of Iron Man. In Tony Stark's chest. Yeah, hop in the Tesseract for a couple hours. So it's just so, I mean, look, it's not that anybody has to be responsible or is like legally responsible for what they say

as someone with a platform, but with great power comes great responsibility. And there's something a little icky. And I mean, little, it's just a little bit, but a little bit icky about branding wellness, which is like such a broad term. It's clearly intended to encompass a lot of stuff. Branding that in a exclusively dietary way

is a little peculiar in the same way that like, hey, I'm a guy and I'm trying to improve myself. Well, it only ever references how to DM women and how aggressive to be and never compromising and getting up at 5. Yeah. You know, it's like, if I were criticizing a Gary V type or like a hustle grind set type for the same thing, I would say like, when you're giving advice like this, this is why we constantly talk about how we're not experts and we're like sort of exploring stuff and we consult our doctors we consult our therapists and stuff like that when we're and we would never try to give advice or anything like that to our audience in that way we'll give

lifestyle advice like oh hey here's how to try to be a nice person or things that can't be axiomatically like true you know like things that can't objectively be wrong that we don't i guess have personal experience with you never say anything yeah but then the the gwyneth paltrow thing so she responded to the backlash and this was her response and i thought it was interesting um okay so let's jump into this so i think it's important for everybody to know that i was doing a podcast with my doctor. So this is a person that I've been working with for over two years now, um, to deal with some chronic stuff and I have long COVID. So I have been, and the way it manifests for me is very high levels of inflammation over time. So I've been working with Dr. Cole to really focus on foods that aren't inflammatory,

right? So lots of vegetables, cooked vegetables. Okay. So let's jump into- So first of all, I want to take that seriously and hope that she, you know, has a speedy recovery. It's like something to be taken very seriously. But I also think that there is a responsibility for someone with a platform and with someone in power to like, like if you're, I guess this clip was taken out of context, but she said it was with her doctor. who is a professor of health law and science policy, said Gwyneth Paltrow uses long COVID to justify her recent bunky wellness routine, but then says her doctor is an alt-med chiro-quack, not a science-informed practitioner and not an MD, and there's zero evidence to support her approach.

I haven't sort of cross-referenced this with other things, but if the doctor is not an md it's like just all this exists in this alt medicine world that's like not super regulated and like feels very like this person is the highest of high class you know what i mean and there's a reason they didn't say what's your diet what's your diet routine what's your day-to-day it is what's your wellness routine like a martial art like what is your how do you optimize your life how do you reach this thing a lot of different people are trying to do i don't i don't it'd be like uh if gary v made a video it's like what do you do it's like well i play with my dog well i can't do that yeah but

it's like don't you feel like it was important context to mention like it's a good point is it in the pod do we know that they um at least in the clip i don't know it's yeah i guess it is not in the clip but it was okay what's your wellness routine yeah it specifically that is that that that take so we someone there that making the take of gwyneth paltrow maybe x and Z, but she will outlive us all because we don't need the three square meals a day. And this is, if it is unique and personal and medical, it should not be advice. It should not be suggestions.

It shouldn't be held up as like my cutesy wellness routine. But of course people would because she's a famous beloved but um beloved celebrity yeah that's talking about a kind of lifestyle trend and lifestyle aesthetic that a lot of people want to emulate so again great power comes great responsibility it's not yeah you're not legally viable no i just yeah it's just scary like I I just feel like um the the overlap I I think I like waded into like any sort of sponsorship like health related one time and I ended up canceling it and I was like I was like, this just doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good to hold this responsibility. At all.

It never feels good to feel like disingenuine as well. Yeah. Or just like, I just don't know. And if somebody was to come to me and say like, I tried this thing and it helped me, that's great. But if they were like, I tried this thing and it like ruined my life. It's just like, that is so much different than you buying like a you know a funny gag gift or a weird like a vpn sponsorship or whatever like i at one point it

was before i was really doing brand stuff it was very early with the the old the older ye olde youtube yeah viddies but at one point i would have been interested in doing um you know one of the invisalign competitor brands that are you know a little bit more subscription oriented but it turns out allegedly a couple of those brands that were very new on the scene were with their claim of like it only takes six months it's quicker there's one which you wear a uh you only wear it at night and you right before doing so wear a grip that vibrates your teeth and gums okay i'm on traditional invisalign which i say only because for context and that i'm using you know yeah the oldest at least of all of the most proven ones i went with it my timeline is 18 months to two

years to finish mine yeah that was about halfway through now but i will gladly add on that extra time not to risk like losing a tooth or fucking something up and if i were to advertise something like that and then i found out months later anything health related is such a dicey. I'd have just broken health work. I mean, that's like all of those finance influencers are being sued for like a billion dollars for promoting FTX. And I don't I don't think that that I like from it seems, that that's probably not going to have legs really. But the responsibility of like if I was, you know, on the other end of like an FTX style, like because that's crypto. And I think that that's another reason that I've always been very afraid of like crypto stuff because of how volatile it is and how we don't have real practical uses for

it in the real world and so many other people who are invested in it are speculate are speculating on an investment rather than like a practical um tool it's always creepy or like icky and off-putting to me when it's basically doing exactly what this is doing exactly the rise and grind mindset where it's not just here's cryptocurrency it could be an interesting financial investment yeah it's here's cryptocurrency it's magic yeah it's magic and if you're not investing in crypto then you're freaking missing out then you don't get laid like it just translate to a lifestyle uh wag me um do you know about all those crypto phrases? Wait, what's Wagme?

I haven't Wagme. So GM is, obviously it's like good morning, but it's like, oh, weirdly been co-opted by crypto people. So like when I see somebody just say GM by itself, it's like a crypto dog whistle. They've taken a lot of like Xbox Live Leet speak. Yeah. And then Wagme is we're all gonna make it oh cope yeah

that one's sad yeah because they're all like supposed to like rally some like like there's i'm not actually crying i'm laughing actually uh make me the phrases i hardly know yeah i mean seriously um crypto slang gm uh in gmi not gonna make it yeah um fud if you're uncertain you doubt like it's used as a thing like fud is the thing i it's like i think from the military um well i mean look at that fomo was one of them and that is basically what generated the initial Russian crypto. Yeah. And it's like FUD is a thing where it's almost thrown around. Like when FTX was failing, people who were pro FTX were like, this is just FUD. People are just like FUDers. They're FUDers. They're FUDers.

And those are people who like are casting, they're casting doubt. And I'm like, shouldn't we all be more uh discerning about this stuff fear uncertainty and doubt it's like that's the stock market yeah that's what that is it's doubt yeah doubt stuff don't only uh gam gam or whatever the person was you know you got hodl you know hold on for dear. A lot of these are kind of worrying. Yeah, no, literally they're all kind of very like, yeah, like do your own research. Like not financial advice, D-Y-O-R. Not almost always a bad thing to say.

Do your own research. Yeah. It's, it is really interesting that do your own research has become such a strange, like it was something that I was told in middle school to not source Wikipedia. You know what I mean? Where they were like, do your own research, use like first and second hand accounts. The research you should be doing is with textbooks that were written 15 years ago and took 10 years to be peer reviewed.

That's talking about how like one day we'll have fridge freezers right but i an ai written article told me that the vaccine was bad so i was talking about the uh polio vaccine because it was written that long ago also this we are on a weird website called coin x and one of the next virus the next article is everything you should know about NFT screenshots. Oh, is it good? No worries. It's perfectly.

What the fuck? Um, we, a few weeks ago, and by a few weeks, I mean in February, we did an episode where we asked, we had pen pal homework that was to tell us about the lore from sad boys. So it's pen pals time.

Here's where we play the pen pals, jingle pen pals, pen pal. I forgot. We do actually have a pen pal song. Tons of them at this point. I mean, these little freaks.

Yeah. So we have had a bunch of guests on me. Haven't figured out how we're going to do pen pals with guests yet. And so now it's time for us to get into it. The lore of the boys. We started this podcast in 2017. Here's a photo. Here's a photo with Jordan's feet blocked out.

Yeah, those are blocked. Replaced with big shoes. With those red boots that went super viral. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Replaced with Sora's clown shoes. Yes, exactly. Because they'll be almost big enough like crazy long i don't know if there's like a lord of the rings force perspective happening

or if they really are just that long it looks wild they're most of the frame they do look long it was like surfboards yeah yeah you they're like uh they're like those um flippers that you use for diving. It does look like that. I go diving without any equipment. I don't need it. I just hold my breath and flipper myself down in the ocean. I'm an Aquaman.

So we've got some pen pals here for lore. And the first one is- Because we don't remember. The part of the motivation was we don't remember any of the old references. And we're just every now and then we'll just get a DM. That's like clungle on the Wongi. I don't want. Okay.

All right. So this one, so this one comes from Angela. Hiya. This doesn't exactly match this week's homework, Angela, but I just wanted you to both know that on a consistent basis, I listened to your social anxiety with Lauren Shippen episode. I did find the podcast after you took your first long break in 2018 and backtracked from there.

This episode is one that I revisit on highly anxious days because anxiety feels so much like an echo chamber. It's really hard to distinguish what is normal behavior and what is attributed to a mental illness. That line only gets blurrier when I'm surrounded by people who don't function the same as me. It reinforces my own me versus them mentality. I have one of those too. Thankfully, hearing you all discuss the pre, during, and post anxiety to especially new interactions has been such an enormous help. I admire your abilities to articulate your own thoughts and feelings around anxiety in a way that's easily consumable, yet very colorful and healthy. I will continue to listen to this episode on tough days, no matter how many times I hear it, every time feels like the first time.

Oh, that's very kind. Even though I know most of the jokes, analogies, and anecdotes by heart at this point, I continue to feel extremely validated. I don't know them by heart. We listened to it once barely, and feel extremely validated. I don't know them by heart. We listened to it once barely and we were there. I didn't know them by the next sentence I was saying. Yeah. I continue to feel extremely validated

and supported when I listen. In a way, it fuels the reminder that I'm not the only one who thinks this way and it's okay as long as I manage it. It also almost serves as a positive self-talk for me. I can't explain how many times that episode has helped me stop digging my own anxiety slash self pity hole. I don't know what I'll,

I'll do if you ever take it down, download it for offline, please. Angela. Yeah. I'll cut.com. Yeah. Just like I,

we're not planning on taking it down, but like you, you can, you can have it for your own. Anything could happen. Um, print it out. Oh wait,

it's an audio episode too, isn't it? Oh, you're only. Yeah. Yeah. Cause yeah. And so, so, wait, it's an audio episode too, isn't it? Audio only, yeah. Yeah, because, yeah.

And so, yeah, because we used to just release audio episodes and then take a single photograph, and that was the only evidence that it ever happened. You could print it out, hold it by hand, and move it around like we were talking. Yeah. Here's a photo of us at Lauren Shippen's place. Actually, the Sad Boys Nights. Yeah, they're cute.

Shout out to Sad Boys Nights. The icon for that RSS feed was taken at Lauren Chippin's house. Taken by perfect natural cinematographer Lauren Chippin. What a queen. What a wonderful human being. I obviously also listen because you guys make me giggle and I very much think you have the right take on things. I never feel offended or judged as a listener.

It always feels like you're just boys having a time and I'm a fly on the wall. Keep up the great work. I appreciate everything you do. Well, that was more of a compliment. Thank you so much. Very, very kind.

Thank you. Uh, from February 22. Yeah. You know, my brain is okay. Look, I used to live in the UK,

if you can believe it. And in Europe, well, most people, most places I know outside the U S it goes, a date is written as a day, month. Yeah.

You know, the order of ascending importance. The sentence you would say. Yeah. I guess you could say May 5th. Yeah, I mean, I do. When was it? It was like the 5th of May, you know.

But whenever I see a date, I reread it. And I go like, well, let's just double check because my brain doesn't work. Yeah. And I even do it when it's the 22nd of february 22nd what was happening there was that that was uh boys jewelry yeah uh that was very sweet thank you so much i don't i mean it's almost like a lauren site because i forgot the topic i know we did an episode with lauren it's cool to hear that that old episode was valuable to someone because uh it's barely i

don't even remember what we talked about. I think probably social anxiety, stuff at parties probably. Or at work, I imagine as well. Yeah, or like going to the coffee shop and weird stuff happens. I feel like a lot of our stories are at the coffee shop.

Yeah, dating someone with a snake. They just let her bring the snake in, by the way. On that date, there was no, they didn't have like a snake protocol. You're going to tell me more about, we're actually going to record an episode right after this, in by the way on that date there was no they didn't have like a snake protocol you're gonna tell me more about we're actually going to record an episode right after this sad boys nights our patreon premium patreon podcast ppp um i think we are going to talk a bit about dating we i've

got some dating horror stories i've got maybe one of the weirdest things that's ever happened to me on a date and we will be talking about it on Sad Boys Nights right after the show. So there's a whole other show that happens after this. Do you want to read this one? Okay. Sorry. Huh? Yeah, read this.

Interesting. No, read it out loud. Yeah. All right. That's what I like to see. Next one. Okay. Okay. From Janiceice whose pronouns are not provided my favorite bit ever on the face of the planet was what my favorite bit ever on the face of the planet was ted nerfer the nervous server no way that's something we did. Is that real?

Can't remember which episode it was on. I feel like it's got to be a lie. But I miss Ted dearly. I think it came from Jarvis attempting an impersonation of Jordan and doing a blend of voices. I hope you guys remember Ted. My best friend Ted. Kiss hug, kiss hug.

Have a good week. Ted Nerf. Do my voice, my accent as I open my mouth and ask you how your week was. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Jervis. How was your week, man? Oh. Yeah.

Interesting blend of archetypes there. Yeah. Started kind of cool action star, ended nervous surfer? Yeah. Nerfer? Yeah, Nerfer. His name is Ted Nerfer. The nervous surfer.

Self-esteem. Yeah, Nerfer. His name is Ted Nerfer. The Nervous Surfer. Ted Nerfer. The Nervous Surfer. Learning to stand. Oh, boy. Those waves look real big. But that sounds violent. I like California, but this is a bit much. I like this guy a lot.

So my week has been a lot it's just been a lot of work stuff so that was fun oh a lot of work stuff we look so different am i crazy i mean the hair that's deceptive right but if i cover it no dude i look like a different human i mean one of our friends actually genuinely could genuinely did not know if you were you or not. And that was upsetting. What did they say? They said, they thought maybe it was an AI blend or like filter. I believe the exact text to you was, is that a mix of you or is it Jordan without tattoos?

Yeah. Ted Nerf or the N the nervous surf is very funny that's cool yeah all right i got this one this is from alejandro uh pronouns not provided hello i just want to start why do i get the long ones hello i just want to start off by saying i love the show y'all are awesome don't stop doing what you're doing it's great in y'all's most recent episode uh you said to bring something um from the past i want to say my favorite episode that i go back to and listen to all the time is a cleaning house episode i remember that one it fills me with such content such content oh we do love to fill you with content here on sad boys

that's why we make so much of it um sad boys nights coming to a patreon near you patreon.com slash sad boys coming to it is there it's already there there's already episodes there with nick there's already episodes there with eddie there's going to be a new one with us um no curtis he's not welcome yeah we we really should have recorded one with curtis but we hadn't figured out our plan yet next time um but also on the patreon is going to be uh we're recovering some of the lost Patreon episodes like the MKBHD episode. And it will be in the, we haven't figured out where it's going on the Patreon, but it's going to be on the Patreon coming soon.

It fills me with such content and helps ground me with reality and my own mental health state. It would be cool if we could listen to the podcast and have it help us, you know, because we're still trying to figure it out if two other people could do if somebody's willing to dub it yeah yes if people were willing to dub it that would be great that'd be cool it also helped when i was in university and super depressed also i don't remember if this was that episode but i also love the trash can series from dris's old apartment that i can never forget that's traumatic enough to never forget and not one that ended no that went on in la also yeah

there was an la trash saga i don't know did we talk about it we must have we were we making the show close enough to that yeah i mean we had to it was during covid it was good question it was like right it was like three months after I moved in. So it was right before COVID. Cause the soonest we would have talked about it on the show would have been like end of, or like near the end of 2020. Yeah.

So let, let me know if I did talk about the LA version of the trash saga. Anyways, all this to say, keep up the good work. Hope you can do another episode like the cleaning house episode. I mean, I feel like the Nick episode was very much like the it was very personal very like

vulnerable yeah i think it's it makes cleaning house almost like a bad analogy but i do feel like some stuff is cleaned permanently because it's cleaning house like hey maintaining your mental health adapting and that is certainly a thing that we do have to do maintain balance and stay on top of any treatments we need or have but i feel more capable now i i then i did then certainly yeah there's less to clean i have a simplified house yeah i kind of know what's up it's just a little bit better now there's some stuff that i can just it sounds maybe i'm oversimplifying i there's something stuff which i can decide to be happy about i can just be like that just doesn't worry me anymore maybe we do a commentary on the cleaning gas episode on the on the patreon oh yeah that would work

yeah so anyway i mean we're still figuring out stuff with the patreon but there's lots of stuff coming so we have a 50 hit rate on on law. We know Trash Can Series. We do know Trash Can Series. That's because that was your Vietnam. That is something I will, I still think about. I still, well, there's an even, I guess it's the LA trash version, trash story where I was like avoiding my neighbors

and I like got anxiety going outside because I thought I might run into them and have to have a conversation with them. So that's all social anxiety combined with a little bit of trash can. Well, for people unfamiliar, Jarvis was having a pretty classic sitcom style conflict with neighbors in multiple cities where they were, there was some medieval crusade conquest battle

between who gets to use what trash can, and there were no official rules, but they were stopping you or something? Yeah. I haven't rewatched the show recently. Basically, yeah. Basically, we were splitting our trash cans because we had two sets of them for the two apartments.

And, well, we weren't splitting them. We were sharing them. And then I didn't put the trash out like a couple of times. It doesn't matter how many times, because what they did was send me a, uh, passive aggressive letter that was about, um, my inability to like my, like I maybe didn't, wasn't responsible enough to take out the trash and we needed to come up with another solution. And then we decided to, I was like, oh yeah, let's just split the bins. No big deal guys. And also you could just talk to me.

You don't have to write me a fucking, like send me a owl. That is if you're seeing other people just tell me of neighbors. Yeah. other people just tell me of yeah neighbors yeah and so then um so then we split we split the trash cans and a miracle happened where i never had an issue with my taking my trash out because it wasn't an issue that i had uh but what did happen is that they would continue to use my trash bin and then i took a photo of my trash bin every single time it happened, because if they ever came at me again, I was going to provide them with a fucking exhibit, a exhibit,

a B through F objection. Yeah. Of every single time they used my, my trash bin, but it's an aside and it's over and I've completely forgotten about it. Can't you tell? I actually don't even care. And I'm not crying.

Hey, Jarvis and Justin. Okay. We get that reference. It's my ass. My deep cut with you guys goes all the way back to April, 2016, which is before the podcast.

Interesting. I first heard Jordan on an episode of Tales from the Tavern. Oh, my God. And his characters and storytelling as well as comedic timing are what made me a lifelong fan. I honestly didn't know about Sad Boys until 2020, though, so imagine my surprise when I realized I could hear more Jordan. Um,

it was then that I discovered arcs and saw old thimble get resurfaced again. And it made me very happy. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think a character that ended up in my old D and D show was a name that we had a character of. Oh. It was like a goblin maybe or something. I'm old like that. Oh, interesting.

Plagiarism I did. Jordan, I have to ask, what happened to, and I remember, I remember this. Jordan, I have to ask, what happened to Pitched? Oh my God. jordan i have to ask what happened to pitched oh my god nicholas cajun crime was brilliant and i still go back to it from time to time literally forgot that existed right now yeah i know there is a honestly the biggest thing that happened i was demoralized because the first time this was a podcast i tried to start at one point that was like writing like little short stories that you then read to each other. One to a guest, one from the guest.

So it was, I don't know, goofy, silly, weird, like, you know, whatever. And it was, and you were pitching a movie essentially. I gave up on the show or was like emotionally overwhelmed because I was a young, I was a young boy. Because I uploaded the podcast and didn't understand file compression. And so I uploaded like a 1.8 gigabyte podcast episode and no one could download it or listen to it. And I was just overwhelmed. I didn't know how to fix it.

And so I just never engaged with the podcast. You just walked away. There's an episode with Heather that just never came out. Oh, damn. That's crazy because I remember you telling me about the premise of the show before you made it and so that was like we knew each other at that point okay you know just a random thought i i had because actually jack i feel like jack conti used to do a presentation about this kind of thing it's weird looking back and seeing how many failed is the wrong word just growth projects there have been having like a chronology of things we like and we don't like

right versions of ourselves plural it's weird to look back on that as a you know when i was 21 i was just wondering like no i'm done yeah i'm finished i'm complete or like when you're 15 and you're like i'm gonna buy a fedora and that'll be my personality i'll be the gentleman guy yeah like whatever be a bit of a a gent shout outs to the uk school system for making you wear a uniform and thus forcing a generation of Brits to not be able to wear a fedora embarrassingly. Saved my ass, that's for sure. Okay, so we are gonna do, thanks for listening or watching, we're gonna do another hour of talking about embarrassing dating stories. We've got some special premium pals, which is our pen pals for our patron listeners only.

And all that's happening on sad boys nights, our patron bonus show full length patron bonus show. This ain't no half episode shit. All right. Like every other patron podcast. And you know who we're talking about. And we're doing that on patron.com slash sad boys. Head on over or,

or else. Yeah. But Jordan, thank you for joining me here today no worries anytime thanks for thanks for making the trip this is my last my last one we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're and we're sorry that's me ted nerfer the nervous server this is the story about how I was tricked into going on a date with a fan. I'm in San Francisco. Our podcast is small.

My YouTube is small. I met somebody on a dating app. Oh, it's nice to meet you from the dating app that we met on. Cool. A few drinks in, I have a confession to make, she says to me.