Sad Boyz - We're the Fun Boyz Now (w/ Alexis Gay)

Episode Date: August 17, 2020

Talking about having fun with our good friend Alexis Gay. Follow Alexis! https://www.instagram.com/yayalexisgay/ https://twitter.com/yayalexisgay Watch Us https://twitch.tv/sadboyzpod https://youtube.com/sadboyzpod   Follow Us https://twitch.tv/sadboyzpod https://instagram.com/sadboyzpod https://twitter.com/sadboyzpod  

Is it sad boys with an S? With a Z, Alexis. Come on. Show us. Put some respect on our name. I'm sorry. That's why I asked. Oh, I wrote sad boys pad.

Uh oh. Sad boys pad. That's our apartment. I'm going to tweet that now. Oh my God. Alexis, I do. I'm so excited to have you. i just want to be really clear and say don't make one mistake because the consequences will be pretty astronomical we're pretty much on the razor's edge after some of the spicy stuff we've been saying yeah um we've been owning a lot of libs

on the show lately yes okay that's a lot of pressure yeah a lot of libs a lot of pressure we have been saying a lot of really epic, we've been pwning libs. I mean, I'll just say it. You've been pwning libs. We've been sharing a liberal tears mug. Okay, okay. True, true. These are all facts.

I'm a little worried for myself on this pod, to be perfectly honest. Sorry, are you a snowflake? Mmm. I mean. Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. And I'm Jordan. And there's just no getting away from it.

And today we are joined by an amazing guest, one of our dearest friends, friend of the pod, fam of the boys, a viral content creator in her own right, a venerated professional. I'm just going to keep doing all the possible intros I can do. A stand-up comedian. A person that's had jobs and has done them. An improviser. A drinker of water. An owner of a microphone.

An NFL running back, strangely. Butterfly knife owner. Alexis Gay. Yay! Oh myfly knife owner. Alexis Gay. Yay! Oh my God. Yay, Alexis Gay. Yay, me! I'm so excited to be here.

This is such a treat. I'm having such a nice morning with you boys, with the boys. And you're one of the boys now. I am one of the boys. You actually might be the only one left. We don't believe in the gender binary here on Sad Boys, but boys with a z is

actually that's actually a fluid like gender 100 yeah well it's also like a state of mind a state of being yeah yeah alexis has uh been on my channel watching tiktoks uh alexis has been on my channel doing some life hacks my fave and and also uh has made some really funny videos responding to youtube comments from some of those videos said videos yeah yeah people have thoughts it turns out on the internet did you have the audacity to be a woman online you wouldn't believe it you know honestly how dare you and i think that brings us into today's topic which is how dare you be a woman online alexa time to own some more limbs yeah i this is this is an intervention i knew it was coming i i it's just like i can't stop being a woman i have tried i have tried massage welcome back to misogyny Boys, a podcast about men and how they can't do anything wrong.

I'm a misogynist. I'm right. Very good. So today, if it wasn't already obvious, we're talking about having fun. Sorry. That sounded like a bit, but that is actually the topic. The topic of today's episode is having fun because we are all having fun, but we're also professionals who can get stressed out about work and sometimes forget how to have fun. Like while we were chatting about what we wanted to do, Alexis presented this topic idea and I immediately jumped on it because I can't believe we've never done this before.

And I think it's an amazing idea. But I also can't believe we've never had Alexis on before. Though, to be fair, have I known you between... Do I know you? Hold on. Jarvis, correct? Hang on.

Javaris Johansson? That's me. Have I? Alexis, when did we meet? Well, we met when we were outside of a comedy club and I called you an emotional pervert. But when did you join Patreon? I completely forgot. I completely forgot about that.

Oh, my God. Wait, that's a story that we've told on the show. And then I listened to that episode and I was like, they're talking about me. I was the one who called an emotional hopefully hopefully i'm talking about you because if not this is i don't want it to happen multiple times right wow so you'd already had the podcast i think for several months when we met yeah but the problem is that then we didn't do the podcast for several years it seems and then now we've come back and now we're like sad boys we kept recording oh that's made the

show every week we just didn't know where it went well yeah hundreds of episodes are actually on now defunct streaming website mixer and uh those we're coming back on quibi which i'm excited about that's true it's uh us and kevin hart and chrissy teetering right now um are we bullying are we bullying this billion dollar corporation I think we might be. Herbs are us. No, that's not Dean Cain in the background, and don't check. So before we jump into today's topic, we like to check in on our hosts and co-hosts. So how's everybody doing?

Let's start with you, Alexis, our fantastic guest. Thank you so much for having me. I am doing great. Well, you know what what that's a lie i would say that i am doing i am doing great all i don't want to say it all things considered yeah yeah like it's true strange and unusual so it's fine it's like it's a it was like npr show or something like you're not supposed to mention npr is all things considered is that a podcast that npr has or a show, a radio show?

I don't know. It's, it's, it's literally impossible to know. I don't, I am aware that we are against the backdrop of a lot of terribleness. And I am personally, I feel good about the limited scope of my life within that.

So what you're saying is based on the fact that the world is on fire, 2020 should have been canceled already. We want our money and uh there's no end in sight to the dark certainly dark in fact it appears to be getting worse constantly and this might even be the end but all things considered like am i like i'm hey i'm here i'm doing a podcast with the i'm i'm one of the boys that's a great thing i've got um i have this great water bottle now this is new it's pretty exciting finding finding the little things to be thrilled about yeah no there's i think that like given the circumstances we all just have to be appreciative of you know what we have control over what we have exactly being associated i raised myself

being associated i don't know. What does that mean? What happened? I think I had my brain. Jarvis disassociated for a minute. Oh no, I have to get used to things. The incident that only the three of us know about. So Jordan, how are you doing this fine Saturday? I'll echo Alexis on that one. Yeah. In this strange, unusual i i i was super depressed about two days ago uh as a result of very boring old school all-american bipolar but not a bad name for not a bad name for an album by the way that's a really good name for an album and all-american bipolar we cut this out of the vod wait a minute please don't take that

oh my god i bet why so makes a track called all american bipolar i guarantee it'll be in the discord bit.ly slash sad boys discord yeah yeah yeah always be plugging abc yeah i'm okay that was a weird a weird knock a weird rock people in similar places and it's not exclusively bipolar to people it's people that just you know you fall into that puddle that endless puddle of depression where it feels like it's very shallow and you should be able to get out, but you are still drowning for whatever reason. Yeah, for sure. That was odd. Yeah. Because it wasn't all that conditional. And I find myself being very self-conscious about things I wouldn't normally be. But genuinely, once I knew we were doing Sad Boys today, it kind of picked up my

mood a little bit. Oh, yeah. But I said like shit uh so it might be a little slow Alexis we've talked about how you're gonna because we write all the jokes down before we do the show right this entire this is an entirely scripted podcast and we've all you know memorized our lines beforehand yeah that's funny Jarvis yeah you don't don't joke Alexis you know

you're off book wait a second she's a professional you sure it says Jarvis do you want to check that oh sorry sorry oh shit fuck that's that's that's funny jordan i'm sorry everyone for the technical nailed it sorry about that tyler cut that in maybe every couple lines yeah just every other every other line nice one jordy i'll record a soundboard for you at the end that you can put in the podcast wherever you want, where it's me laughing, me saying,

wow, that was insightful, stuff like that. Every time a new guest comes on Sad Boys, we have them record a soundboard so that we can use it during the episode. Okay, wait, I'm not kidding. We have talked about making a soundboard for a while now. I want one clip from each guest. And wow, that's insightful is 100% the one.

Oh, that's really funny, yeah. Somebody clip that. Wow, that's insightful is 100 oh that's really funny yeah perfect somebody I love that Jarvis what up fucking deal man how are you so you know I I know that times are tough I know that the world is in a dark place but I am doing great I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm here to say it I've been in a good place lately I had therapy yesterday where my therapist was like, bro, like, just want to point out that you've been, you've been in good spirits the past few weeks. And I was like, oh, snap. That's, that's awesome. I feel like everything's coming up Milhouse, you know, like I've had a few, I've had a few like cool opportunities come up. I put out two videos this week that I was excited about, and they did really well. I'm recording this podcast with my friends.

The world is on fire, and we may all die. We may all be dead already. Who knows? I mean, it's a strange time. But say it with me now. All things considered. Considered. I'm chilling, dude.

Yeah, I've actually been quite good. And it's made me really happy. Actually, I think that when I moved to LA, and even when I left Patreon, I think I entered this, this like purgatory period where I hadn't quite figured out how to be myself outside of the context of like working my nine to five job, like all of the places where I would get validation and stuff were shifted and, and the places where I would find motivation and the structures for like how I would organize my day and stuff like that kind of all went away and I needed to build that up from scratch. But thanks in part to some time, you know, incrementally putting the work in being kind to myself, going to therapy and a little bit of Zoloft, things have been like, things have been pretty good. Except,

so, so there's one, there's one thing that didn't go great. And it's that last night, I tried to stream on twitch.tv slash magic Jarvis, where I was, I was promising to play video games. I said, you know what? I'm going to try this website out. I bought a capture card. I put it into my computer all by myself. That's wild, man. And you're a man of your word. So it must have gone great, the stream.

Yeah, no, I got it. I was on Twitch. I was streaming on the website. That's two of the biggest steps. Wow, you're almost all the way there. I know, my Nintendo Switch was connected to the stream so that you could actually see me using my Nintendo Switch with my video game controller. And that's the end of the story,

pure success. That was a great story. Yeah. No. Until, you know, plot twist. Every time I tried to play one of my games, it would tell me that my game was corrupted or that the Switch needed to check it for corrupted data. And it turns out that something is wrong with my switch or the sd card they're in so wait are you telling me in a certain way that your computer science degree was absolutely useless yeah and like what a lot of people don't know and what the twitch chat reminded me is that my computer science degree did consist of four years of me doing rebuilding Nintendo switches from scratch, refurbishing them, writing all the software from scratch prior to them existing prior to them

existing. Yes. No, I was employed by Nintendo and then where your dad works. Where my dad, my dad works at Nintendo. Yeah. And also there's like a Pokemon called peekaboo.

You haven't heard about it yet, but it's coming soon. I think I can take a guess. The main features of peekaboo. It's heard about it yet, but it's coming soon. I think I can take a guess at the main features of Pika Blue. It's a red Pikachu. I know it's weird. So despite all of that training in Nintendo Switch Repair, I was unable to solve the problem within the stream. And so I had to end the stream in shame. I still have here a beer that I opened to enjoy the stream with. And you can see how much of the beer I drank

before I hung my head in shame and just went to bed without even putting in my retainer. That's how sad I was. Jarvis. You started pulling your teeth apart. That's bad. I started bringing back the gap myself, man.

Mind the gap indeed. Mind the gap. That's what I always say when I'm riding in the transit system in the United Kingdom. Thank you. Wow. So that sucked. There were lots of Fs in the chat. There were lots of people saying, it's okay, you tried your best, as if to make fun of me. And I've redownloaded every game on my Switch now and and when the time is right i will rise again i will stream again and the stream will rise again the stream will rise again i have that confederate flag limited edition switch where it's like it's got oh my god it's very very very limited edition

very limited very limited it lasted for roughly a handful of years, but its legacy will last 400. It's a cultural switch. My forefathers fought for this switch. Exactly. Yeah. It's important that you have it. It's important that I have it. Not to be confused with the hit single Switch on Will Smith's album, Willennium.

I think that's what album was on i just said that every time i say switch i think about the song will smith had called switch where it's like turn around and turn around and hit it i think that's something switch i i whatever that's exactly how it went because i had it on his bed yeah you just like jetted up his bed what the wait i'm sensing something i haven't seen for a long time alexis is like i had that on a CD. Will Smith just woke up in his bed. Yeah. He just like jetted up his bed. What the, wait, I'm sensing something I haven't sensed for a long time. Alexis is like, I had that on a hit clips where I could play it 30 seconds at a time. And it was just, hey.

Yeah, it was just that. It was probably a ringtone for a lot of people. I bet it was. But anyway, to end that, I would just say that despite all the good things that have been going on in my life, it's amazing how having my Nintendo Switch give up on me in front of an audience

of like 65 people could just take it all away for like a second. And then I was like, oh, it's fine. You don't like to let, I mean, you don't like to let people down. Especially not 65 of them. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Especially with the frequency that you do. And I always let them down. And I need to let them back up, but I keep letting them down. I don't have enough gains. Exactly, you need those gains. I need those gains. What if we did an episode about bodybuilding,

just the two of us? Oh my God, you two, please. We didn't get a guest or anything. And we said it with complete authority. Yeah. Posted our weights. Here's how to do it. Another thing that's,

well, I will, you know, pass the focus back to you guys in a second. You boys. No, I don't want it. This is great. The other thing that, you know, like I said, my life is wonderful and I truly can't complain, but if I were to complain, it would be about the fact that I posted an image of myself on Instagram, you know, like you do. And all of the comments were about how i am addicted to breast milk so now this is a unavoidable aspect of my brand that i i can't seem to shake okay and it's because of follow-up questions alexis i do have a follow-up question have you considered um not being addicted to breast milk i have because i feel like that would help a lot or quitting all

of the social media and production services that you use that's another really good idea mine was good though where you just because i feel like if you just stopped being addicted to breast milk people wouldn't talk about it so much or no or they would i just think the damage is done i think i just don't think that's how it works, unfortunately. Okay, all right, well. It's kind of embarrassing. It's just something to consider. I do wear a patch to help me with my breast milk addiction. Yeah, a patch that holds up like those two beer can type hats you see at like a baseball game, but it is breast milk. Worst thing I've ever said.

Oh, that is disgusting, actually. And you know what? I did a... Glad it isn't recorded. I'm glad that nobody heard you say that well anyway i i'm i'm buddies with tom scott uh we went to japan together and he's a he's a he's a good lad by all accounts by by all accounts 100 of them i don't know if this is a spoiler but like i did a little collab thing with a couple of other creators with tom scott i saw

some posts about it i don't think yeah yeah is true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he... I mean, I feel spoiled by knowing that spicy information. I know. It's a fun time. It's a fun time. I feel spoiled by all the bloody content you put in there.

I know. All that breast milk content. I know. Well, speaking of the... You're pumping out so much content. So not only was I asked to explain the breast milk situation in this context,

not in the video or anything, but while they were getting things set up but then tom scott was telling me about how um there was a place in the in the uk like a shop an ice cream shop that was selling breast milk ice cream for a short time and i was like like come on how do i import that to feed my addiction i can't even tell that's what you use your platform for that's what it was all for it's he's been working towards us his whole career so that's all i've got i should mention out of obligation that my mom told me a story a couple of days ago where she this is gonna sound

very bad until it sounds good where she dated a guy who used to live in the u.s and at one point went to an antique store and the antique dealer kicked somebody out for breastfeeding in public. So that guy went back that very evening and spray painted, I shit you not, breast is best on the window. Oh my God. So, okay, hold on. I have a lot of questions. Okay. At what point in that story was it supposed to sound bad? Because was it bad because your mom dated someone? was it bad because you found it okay okay because he's not my you're not my fucking dad gerald oh got it got it no that makes sense okay don't get off my japanese manga he was a four foot five and he would sit on a big

stack of japanese manga while he was on dates with your mom i just want to i want to read one piece but he's under his damn tukus he's like, I'll show you one piece, and then he cracks a big fart on your books. On your comic books. That's the funniest prank I've ever seen. Hey, Jordan, I farted on all your books, man. Yeah. Sorry, man. I've got to rip a grand line.

Oh, I'm a Jolly Roger, if you will. Oh, man. Well, I can see why that bothered you, man. I've got to rip a grand line. Oh, I'm a Jolly Roger, if you will. Oh, man. Well, I can see why that bothered you, Jordan. Sanji, please. Okay. There's a few. I'm going to get a drink. Bye, Jordan.

We're left with this photo of who is this? This is, I thought we already talked about it. Isn't this? Wait, yeah. Alexisis please help me i don't want to say the wrong person i don't know who this is i like have half a mind to reverse image search this photo i thought we i thought we said his name earlier a number of times has it switched since it was that person it might have will smith's hit single switched um i truly cannot tell you who this man is can someone in the chat please tell me who it is and not i know isn't it dean kane oh it is dean kane i think okay i had to google it because i was like, we kept saying Dean Cain.

We said it like 30 times before we started recording. He looks so young that I didn't even recognize him. Yeah. To quote John Mulaney. Is that Dean Cain? Okay. That's Pete Wentz. I know, right? It does kind of look like Pete Wentz.

It's the white dude, John. It's the white man, dude. John, bruh. That's Will Smith if he was Asian. Oh, goodness. Okay. Oh, no. So Tyler cut out me reading that comment.

Post credits. It could be the post roll. That's where you can put my soundboard clip of, wow, that was insightful. Oh, my God. It's breast as best, Travis. But it cuts off early. Clearly, it the um my soundboard clip of wow that was insightful oh my god it's breast as best you have this but it cuts off early like clearly it's a from a soundboard wow that was it wow that wow that wow that was insightful or i can just say i'll record wow i'll record wow that was and then you can fill in whatever word you want. Wow. That was inspiring. That was a statement. Oh yeah. We need a soundboard where we can cut

it out. So we just like, wow, that was racism. Wow. That was the Zodiac killer. Now that's what I call racism. I love that. Now that's what I call insightful. So I want to know what like current events or like what things in the world, I would like to know what like current events or like what things in the world. I would like to know what's happening. What are the current events? Can you please tell me? Yeah, you just got out of the clink.

I was going to ask if there are any things that are happening in the world that you all would like to discuss. Because once again, I have one. Are we talking about this in relation to the show's topic or just in general oh not in relation we'll get to the topic after this bit i'm just thinking like last time we talked about the smash drama we talked about this you want to speak on that at all the the drama in the world of super smash brothers yeah it's too spicy it's too spicy for me no that's right actually fair enough and i think there's no more that needs to be said that's you know that's that says it all honestly honestly so everybody

sorry i'm now recording to you live from a papa john a papa john a papa john one single papa john that's actually what they call the restrooms inside of somewhere in his house hey uh would you mind if i use the Papa John? Can I? Do you need a key for the Papa John or is it open? Yeah, so. Oh, is this what you want to talk about? I mean, that's what I want to talk about. Let's do it. But no, no, no.

But I want to hear what you guys are thinking. What's up in your worlds? Oh, you know what? This is the smallest thing in the world, but it just like made my night. I had purchased. I'm sorry. Sorry.

Oh, yeah, dude. Speak on that. i feel like in that moment i was michael scott because i i was like that's what she said i saw you sweating oh boy um the other night i uh i was making dinner and i had this moment where I remembered that I had previously purchased myself a single Topo Chico that was in the fridge and I was just like, and it made my night. That is actually quite nice. I regularly... And the low light was that that was so important to you. Yeah, I found the low light is that I shared that anecdote on a podcast as a highlight. I don't know. I'm going to have to say that's a A1 grade a highlight great i wasn't a1 on it i put some a1 right in there i just wasn't expecting it i was just having a normal

average evening i was going to have some tap water and have dinner and then out of nowhere out of no i see in my fridge little top boy right there hiding hiding next to the salad dressing and that was when i've never been so grateful to my former self. I was like, you knew that you would one day need this Topo Chico. And then I enjoyed every sip. It was great. That is really wholesome and good. Let me double check what a Topo Chico is. It's a little boy. It's a little boy. Yeah. I'm trying to think that I had a baby. So I have a very similar experience with Topo Chico, but my version of it, I guess colloquially known as Mexican Coke because it's like the pure cane sugar Coke.

I've recently been ordering from this Mexican place and I always just get one Mexican Coke with it. And sometimes I'll- Is this like the new Burma love? Like I order it four times a week kind of Mexican voice? So for those who aren't familiar with my dangerous postmates habits, with my self-destructive tendencies, I tend to pick a restaurant. And then I order exclusively from that restaurant for a calendar year. And then I get tired of it and never eat there again.

So there's this hot chicken place in LA that I ordered from for a straight six months. And then I haven't had it since. And then now my new place is this Mexican place. And sometimes I'll get, I'll get like a burrito, some plantain chips, obsessed with plantain chips, can't get enough of them. And then I'll put the Coke in the freezer or in the fridge. And then sometimes I'll open up the fridge and go, nice. Yeah. Thanks, bro. Yeah. At a phase of buying two of the exact same breakfast burrito every single day, storing

the other one in the fridge, having that as breakfast, only to later order another as dinner. I was very unwell. Alexis, do you have an SF equivalent? Wait, do you ever go to the market on market oh yeah that place is great there is a malaysian food place oh yeah we did go there we went to her name it's the owner's name it starts with an a oh uh alexis it's like something with a z azalina and an azalina thank you yeah that is the best thing

I remember whenever I've gone there I've thought of you actually because I know that you used to like it a ton thank you you're welcome say hi to her

she'll be like Jordan from from nearby Jordan from from bad boys Jordan from ordering noodles constantly and occasionally doing it remotely

despite living two blocks away and her writing a message indicating that she knew it was me I mean I do that shit all the time didn't you live above Burmalove or some shit no no no i lived a mile away from burma love but same difference so i mean i don't know if you guys have heard about the twitter hack but essentially the other day two days ago it was thursday or something a bunch of accounts

on twitter of the highest profile like the highest profile accounts in the world, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, me, you know, um, highest profile accounts, the boys, the boys, the boys, as they're affectionately known,

they all, they all tweeted out this, um, this scam that claimed to double money. They were like, if, if you all Bitcoin sent to my address below will be sent back doubled. I'm only doing a maximum of $50 million.

So only $50 million. Yeah. And then it's like the open prints. And then they would link to a Bitcoin wallet. below will be sent back doubled i'm only doing a maximum of 50 million dollars so only 50 million dollars yeah and then it's like the open prints and then they would link to a bitcoin wallet and they'd be like i'm only doing this for 30 minutes so get on it don't miss out on this opportunity and then everybody was like oh bill gates i trust you uh oh elon musk i trust you even though this is kind of weird because like who's like ready to make a bitcoin transaction that's like the average the person you would want to scam here but because so many accounts were tweeting this it's a little alarming because it's like essentially any account on twitter could have been taken over because what had happened was is that someone got access to this internal twitter tool where they could change

the associated email address of any Twitter account with their address and then reset the password, like do a password reset. And so that's how they got access to all these accounts. It could have been far worse. It could have been, you know, had echoing effects to like world economies if the scammers hadn't been like teenagers. Right. Or like early 20s kids who like just cared about rare internet

handles for the most part because that's like the community that this came in apparently there's this hacker or there's this community that like is obsessed with og usernames on twitter so like one character names and shit in their forum somebody was like hey i i work at twitter spoiler alert they didn't work at Twitter. I can- Oh, that's how you do it. I can get access to any account. A classic.

I use that line all the time. I know. So anyway, yeah, they said they worked at Twitter. Then they were like, I can get access to any account for like a small sum. So then people started, you know, brokering deals for like $1,000 for this thing, $1,000 for this thing. And then later in the afternoon, he started taking over like all the major accounts and the reason we know a lot of this is because the scammers who were involved were like yo i just wanted a one character

username i had nothing to do with this other shit like they're like i need to clear my name i was doing some like low-level scamming and this motherfucker like really went for it. They ended up stealing 100 grand, which is like not actually that much money, all things considered. But that makes sense because who just like has Bitcoin that would fall for a scam? Exactly. It just doesn't, it doesn't make sense. Exactly. That's the thing. And so the only reason it makes sense to me is because the law of large numbers says that like some percentage of people. So it turns out that there are such a small number of people.

It is just embarrassing that even that small number of people. Right. It's 400, like 400 people basically got scammed. But oh, my God. But the issue like what gets me is that like Twitter has had so many problems over the years. I made a video about this. I made like a little rant video. I have since learned even more about how Twitter shit the bed for the umpteenth time. So ways in which Twitter shit the bed.

Did you know that since the year of our Lord, 2009, which was 11 years ago, Twitter had been sanctioned or under some sort of watch from the FTC for their lack of protection of user information. So this is like two years after Twitter's birth. The Federal Trade Commission was like, yo, you for a term of like 20 years. What does this say? I actually like have receipts because, you know, my roasts are. Nothing if not factual.

Nothing if not factual. Evidence based roasts. You know what's funny is I'm just going to. Wait,based roasts you know what's funny is i'm just gonna wait alexis do you know what's funny do you no no no no i me also but you tell me to prove it no i mean you i i know so i i but do you know you do you like comedy name three jokes okay if you like comedy so much then name a laugh that you like to do. A chuckle. A childish chuckle.

So FTC accepts final settlement with Twitter for failure to safeguard personal information. This is March 2011. So it was nine years ago, not 11. My bad. Oh, no, this was announced in 2010. But the FTC's complaint alleged that between January and May of 2009, hackers were able to gain administrative control of Twitter on two occasions. 2009.

Under the terms of the settlement, Twitter will be barred for 20 years from misleading consumers about the extent to which it protects the security, privacy, and confidentiality of non-public consumer information, including the measures it takes to prevent unauthorized access to non-public information and honor the privacy choices made by consumers. Anyway, the company must also establish and maintain a comprehensive information security program, which will be assessed by an independent auditor every other year for 10 years. So I'm sure that you guys would like to know that the way that the hackers made it into this internal tool that allowed them to access all the twitter users data was that someone posted the password on the twitter slack they just posted the password on twitter slack and then someone had gotten access we still don't know how to like the twitter slack and then they were like oh look it's like a pinned

message somebody probably posted access to the Twitter Slack on iMessage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's like, welcome to the Twitter Slack. Would you like to know the admin password? Here you go. Enjoy, you know, Bill Gates's Twitter account. I was just like, I was flabbergasted. The worst part, it was in the lunch announcements channel

where you're not supposed to keep talking. It's just for lunch announcements. I know. It's just like, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it i couldn't believe it i well i can't believe like i can imagine somebody doing it maybe maybe they were so fast that they caught it but as as people that have all worked in what i would say were like quite fun casual friendly working environments people are pretty fucking judicious about what you put in

slack there was no way you would get away with that for more than 30 seconds i know but this i think was like sitting there but i don't know i don't know what sort of channel it was it's still like not clear but passwords but yeah the password channel um the other thing that like blows my mind about it is like why why should twitter have been better other than the fact that the ftc has been auditing them for 10 years is that Jack Dorsey got his account hacked like yes, like like last year, first of all. So hello. Second, Donald Trump had his account deleted by an employee like a rogue employee in 2017.

That's a good day. Two employees at Twitter were paid off by the Saudi government to send Twitter secrets to the Saudi government. And so it's just like, hello, is there anyone out there? Because it's getting harder and harder to breathe. I'm just like, Jack Dorsey, you're the CEO of Square and Twitter. Maybe, maybe it's hard to focus on two jobs. If this had happened to Square, it's like small businesses across the universe would fucking tank.

And wait, just most importantly, let me just check real quick not verified jack what me wake up bud yeah and oh you not verified with my platform 2900 people that's ridiculous i know people need to know do you know who my dad is jarvis john. Do you know that his father is Jarvis Johnson? Makes tech videos. He's on YouTube. I know. Guys, I just have too many things to talk about. So we should probably just like skip past the other stuff I'm going to talk about, which is how we found out that like Dan Bilzerian, the billionaire influencer guy

who hires models to like hang out with him at all times. Same. I do that too. Yeah. Isn't actually a billionaire or whatever he just like uses his the money that his company his weed company raised to pay for all his models and shit and uh we found out that he can sit next to it eating sushi or something looking like lethargic and disinterested in models that's like his whole thing he is so he is in 40 of every bullshit male motivation i know i so i might just him like eating soup while a collection of models are in a hot tub and the caption is like don't be

chasing for kisses when you could be chasing for eats time what's funny to me is that his uh we found out about this information because his the former ceo of his company is suing him uh because he got the former ceo of his company was fired because he was like, hey, don't do fraud. And then he was like, you're out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't do fraud. Don't do fraud.

And then they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You need to be on our side. They're like, let's get this guy out of here. One note on the Twitter hack is that my dad sent me a link to an article about it while it was happening as an FYI, which I am convinced is because he thought that I was at risk. Like as in his eyes, I am my dad's favorite Twitter account by a long, wide margin.

I mean, you're many dads' favorite Twitter account. Like I'm a fan of your Twitter account and all of my sons are as well. And you are a dad, exactly, yeah. Well, you're more of a zad. More of a zad, for sure. But I think he really believed that like i was at risk i think he was like oh shit joe biden bill gates i better tell alexis she's gonna say no more

he's seeing the list and then all of a sudden no stop sprinting towards your phone that does sound like like a weird movie trailer like joe biden bill gates this summer rob schneider these three millionaire bachelors find their way into some nutty hijinks on national lampoon's uh billionaires club jeffrey epstein's plane yeah on yeah national lampoon's jeffrey epstein plane oh no oh no oh no yeah so anyway that was a crazy that was a crazy incident how long were the tweets up for um a surprisingly long amount of time a dangerous amount of like uh like it was enough to go on a hundred thousand dollars it was so long it was like i would say like i would say probably an hour where these things were still being posted. And what was absurd about it is that it was happening. I remember going to the restroom and hopping on Twitter because that's sometimes what I

do. And I don't use the restroom. I just like the comfort. No, no. But that's where you had to the Papa John. I had to the Papa John. The little Papa's room. Yeah.

Little Papa's John. The little Papa's John. Yeah. And then I opened up my Twitter and then like Mr. Beast had tweeted it. And so it was happening so long that when Mr. Beast tweeted it, I thought it was a meta joke

about how everyone was hacked. And it's like, and then I was like, wait, I literally checked the Bitcoin address that Mr. Beast was linking. And only because it was the same address that the scammed accounts were linking. I was like, oh, MrBeast was also hacked. Because before that, I was like, oh, funny joke, MrBeast. Because tens of thousands of people had already liked the tweet. Yeah. Wowee. That's wild. I mean, for such high profile accounts, I would think it would be a

couple seconds. Yeah. You know, per tweet. You would think. But you'd also assume that they wouldn't post their password inside of a public channel. Yeah. I mean, the thing was, like, eventually they just turned off verified accounts from tweeting, which was like an interesting way of, they also prevented you from like posting the Bitcoin wallet. I'm just like, I don't know, man. It was just like a funky, it was a funky little thing that was going on. The turning off verified account thing was funny because it started like a class war on twitter which is true between the verified and

the unverified i know i and i being verified myself uh am on the side of the unverified okay all right hold up now i know major flex alert major flex let me report that i was like yeah i think that's that seems i was like i should also I agree. I should not be allowed to tweet. That's why you're doing pretty well. You felt fulfilled and healthy because you weren't allowed to tweet. It was a blissful moment of zen. Yeah. Everyone on Twitter that wasn't verified was like, Twitter's so much better now.

And I was like, they're like, LOL, the revolution will be unverified. 500,000 retweweets 500 million likes what is it if there's no verified accounts what is everybody gonna do gif replies to i know and then reply with like this um this is giving me life right now where are you gonna say that yeah where are you i actually don't know i don't know but then it was over and then the world went back to normal. It did. And then everyone who was verified made the same joke, which was like, is this thing on? Yeah. Or can you hear me? And I'm like, okay.

I was just trying to tweet Twitter is a bad website for an hour straight and then eventually it let me do it. Beautiful. Was it an hour? Oh, it was an hour that you couldn't tweet at least i was watching a stream the other day that was like a podcast stream you know not to flex but sometimes i i'm just like you in the chat um wow oh my god just like the normal users they're just like very nice yeah i've heard this at least um you like like just hanging out with regular people correct from time to time From time to time.

From time to time, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You enjoy the same sports and you eat all the same basic food. Basically. I mean, all of mine is better and organic. Better food, more expensive, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more expensive.

I do pay more for it. And that just makes me feel... Not literally like them because they're small. Right, yeah. That's where I stand. That's a good place to stand. On my high horse pedestal. That's another good soundboard clip.

But yeah, it was like at least an hour and a half because I watched a podcast that when it started, none of the people on the podcast could tweet. And when it ended, they still didn't tweet. That's funny. All right, but that's enough about things that Jarvis can't stop thinking about. Alexis, what is your go-to?

I mean, it can be your relax fun. It can be a more active fun. You do stand-ups. You stand up and you say like, what's the deal with airplane food and brunch or whatever. That's my favorite joke. Is that a have fun or is that like a have creative? Ooh, what a fantastic question.

I love truly nothing more than making people laugh. So in the moments where that's happening, I'm having fun. There is, however, a lot of work involved that is not fun to get to a point where you can stand on stage and say a joke and confidently know it will make people laugh. But I have found ways to have fun through that process. So for example, like going to open mics and like bombing, so not getting any laughs any laughs i just at this point i think it's so funny like it's so funny i'm standing up there i like have the mic in my hand i like tell a joke punch line is it just is

it like very clearly the material or are you just not connecting with an audience like do you go home that night and be like yeah that fuck my jokes were so bad tonight no no i well first of all i i record them all so i can hear later what got lapsed and what didn't i take them to the patriot all hands but looking for critical feedback exactly hey team um i do as a people manager to be honest now having to do everything remotely i do constantly feel like starting a meeting is like i'm starting a stand-up set at work what else what else it just feels yeah it's like um okay let me try this how about this yeah but it is a lot of i the activity itself is very very fun and similarly like making videos like comedy videos it's very i don't it's like

this weird thing like this creative satisfaction i don't know i don't know i don't know it is it's so true it's so satisfying like i enjoy it so much but am i having fun while i'm like editing for the however many hours or whatever i don't i don't know about that i'm not like having i'm not experiencing unbridled joy do you have hobbies that explicitly don't result in output saying it as people that very much don't. Like, do you do anything for fun or relaxation that does not in some way lead to posting or content? Yes, I did. I did pick up watercoloring to have a hobby

that didn't require output. And then I didn't do it that much. But to be honest, where I get a lot of joy and fun from is actually more social stuff, which is why this particular time is a real challenge. Challenge knows. Yeah, exactly. And so fun for me these days.

I don't know. Like I started bike riding with our dear friend Mara. Oh, she's very into bikes. She's so into bikes. Yes. Do we able to match her 70 miles? No, I was like, I would like to try. I'd like to go on a bike match her 70 miles no i was like i would like to try i'd like to go on a bike ride with you and she was like yeah and i was like girl it's gonna be

so slow like we're gonna go when she when she that gasp like she like sucked you into her body like kirby in that moment she was like she spit me out and i was on a bike spat you out with your hair yeah that was pretty cool actually yeah so that was a pretty cool parlor trick yeah that would be nice that is how it feels though because i like i actually don't have a bike i just ride her bike one of her spare bikes it's really lovely it's like that that brings me a lot of joy that feels like something where there's no output it's like we just take a little bike trip we bike to the ocean we chat because we go that slow because i set the rules i set the speed we have a chat we bike and it's really nice so i some stuff like that i think is what's these days bringing me joy because um it's it's really

hard to find ways to truly connect with people you know yeah do either of you have like meditative joy of joy like i may do this on occasion no matter what but i specifically know i need this thing when i'm down oh Oh, what a shitty day. Time for X. Wait, Jordan, I want to jump to this one. I want to hear your answer about sort of hobbies that don't relate to content. At least right now, it's video games.

Nice. For me, video games, though I have started trying to stream, which could turn that into a horrible obligation that I don't enjoy anymore. For me, I like playing mediocre games with interesting systems that's like my one of my most most comfortable things i can do in the world is sit directly here because i live in this chair that's very bad for me and my soul on my back and i just sit and i like playing through a game that is either old enough or strange enough to be worth analyzing in detail

because i just i like not understanding it i like understanding it and playing around with it really the only non-fiction i read is about game design because i'm a child and i don't know how to read like a big boy because i found myself playing some like super acclaimed stuff and just kind of drifting off because i'm not getting challenged i don't know not challenged by it sounds way too overly joe rogan but i mean like it's pronounced yeah sorry that's right sorry when i'm back in england it's challenge challenge challenge yeah i i mean i hear you that's a zen i hear you there like i actually don't really think i have any non like productivity hobbies that are like just therapeutic which is a thing i want to change

but it's also like one thing i like about doing things is sharing them with others i guess i would say that like playing runescape or something is therapeutic for me because i do it by myself for the most part but kind of tickles that productivity a little bit yeah it's like it but it's it's all about optimization sandbox but it's like a fun way of like having all of those problems without any of the consequence of like reality. I do like sharing things with people. Like if I find out about an interesting thing, like if I read a cool article or something, I really want to share that with someone.

You know what I mean? Or if I find something like particularly joyful, my first like thing is that I want to share it. And I think that making content out of it is one avenue for that sharing. But also, you know, just talking to friends and catching up with friends and stuff has been like a good way of scratching that itch that's not that's not content like yesterday i just called my eco our friend my eco friend of the pod fan of the boys my eco out of the blue and uh we just caught up and we hadn't talked in a bit and it was just like good to to talk you know what i mean and that's always that's always fun because it reminds me

of my like humanity i think things like that can remind me that there's like more to life than just like work or something that can be that could be content it's the consistency is a huge part of that too because i me and i'm introverted evan who was very talented young man and a sweet young boy and has just the perfect amount can't relate very envious and angry and i will kick his ass oh yeah are you jealous of me i've got a lot of uh someone told me that the uh someone told me that the animated story version of myself had very accurate facial hair and it hurt my feelings it was it was weak it was weak i don't think that's fair uh i mean dude sorry you look like shit but i just don't think

it's fair to say that that one looks like you do. The number of times Evan has always been like, we're one another's default for like, okay, we don't know what we're doing. We're overwhelmed. I don't want to rationalize anything. Let's just go and get lunch right now. Then we go and get lunch,

and almost exclusively the first 15 minutes of the conversation is, this is fucking nice. You can just communicate with somebody and be validated and be witnessed like witnessing is such a huge portion of establishing your sense of self and especially now i know it's not exactly a hot take but it is really really difficult to be witnessed alexis are you doing you still do animal crossing hangouts i have actually not been playing animal crossing as much uh which is strange shocker upon shockers is that i um i love animal crossing but what i was most excited about was being able to breed all of the different flower varieties and see if i could get to 100 of the flower

varieties so i made a spreadsheet to track like how many yeah of course we are we are similar in this way this sounds like some shit i would do yeah and it's like i was enjoying that but then i just i don't know the other stuff that i do in my life takes up enough time that i i don't know i didn't i don't feel like i is this weird i don't feel like i have time to play animal crossing anymore which is so bizarre i think that's fine i think it yeah it's it's if it's the 11th most interesting thing you can do right now. Yeah. Well, it's not that you dislike it. Totally. No, I definitely don't dislike it. I love it.

And my flower garden, it's honestly like it's wow. That's incredible. But I find myself also really loving being outside whenever I can. And that's been really important. I know. No, it's seriously like it's wild how Jordan, you mentioned just sitting at lunch can kind of be like, oh, this is nice. Sometimes when I go outside, I'm just like, oh, yeah, like this is really nice. And San Francisco, where I live, very fortunate to have a lot of cool nature nearby, like lots of good parks. And if I can get myself where I just am like, you know, we're just going to walk to a park. I will feel so much better after being there. So I don't know if that's like a hobby, but it's definitely a moment of release that I have.

Like I think that I don't mind not having like hobbies in a traditional sense because I create like little projects for myself and I find ways to like add joy and add fun to like my work or anything really like I think of you know like when I'm making a video I may try to do a fun thing with the editing or I may try to shoot it in an interesting way or even when I'm playing RuneScape I like do stuff I play the game in a way that's like fun for me even though there's like more efficient ways to do things and what what have you right but then i do like spending a lot of that social time like with friends when you know that was a thing that we could do um it was like really nice to just like

go to a see a movie with like jordan and evan and right and stuff and like that and get stressed out because it was uncut jokes and go home shaking. That's true. But then going back to calling friends, like I remember we were catching up, Alexis, or even one time you called me to solve a little technical problem. Thank God you're done with those. And I was and like that was just, I had such a genuinely joyful experience with that. You know what I mean? And like, that is fun. That was fun for me, you know? That was fun for me.

We had fun. We had fun. It was fun. We had fun. We had fun. You'll like fun? Do you guys like fun? I actually like fun.

Getting into it? I relate to that a lot because I tend to find moments of joy in the stuff that I do, even if, like I said, sometimes it feels like hard work. Or also I'm finding a lot of joy in just funny things that are happening to me. So I live alone. So a lot of my time is spent alone. And I think that prior to having to be in my house all the time, I think I felt like I had to be with other people to really find that joy and laugh and be happy. and now stuff happens that is so outrageous sometimes and I'm just alone and I just like start cracking up like yesterday I was in a big hurry trying to make breakfast and I pulled down

the bag of oatmeal and it opened onto my face oh and onto the floor that's fun that is fun actually was your first thought like this would have been so funny on the ground? I did think about trying to share it somehow because I had that moment of joy that was like, this is so funny that I am like stressed out. And then I'm now covered in oatmeal and my kitchen is covered in oatmeal. And then I was like, I don't need to share this with anybody. I'm just going to have this little moment where I'm brushing oatmeal straight up out of my hair and I have to go get my vacuum cleaner and I still have to make it on time for this meeting and I'm just like gonna let myself have

this moment of like I'm laughing I don't need to share this any with anybody I'll tell someone about it later and that'll I've been having yeah I've been having some of those as well I also live alone and like I think I get a lot of joy out of like the little things and like stuff like that like making my coffee in the morning is genuinely like i don't know if it's fun but it's like it feels good to like do the routine even something is like listening to depressing news in the morning because i'll like listen to like a radio show about the news as i'm getting ready for my day i kind of enjoy the the routine of it that's something that's uh that's worthwhile, I think.

I mean, the reason it can be so satisfying, especially early in the day when you have a surplus of dopamine is that you're getting a casual release that's making you feel like your, your like caveman lizard limbic system is saying, ah, pieces are in place. Cave has been defended.

Spear has been built. It doesn't necessarily have to be like, I don't really want to have to fight a saber tooth, but building the spear to do so does make me feel kind of good and kind of better like doing doing laundry on a saturday with a podcast in your ears is better than having fulfillment i i do it is the best there is something like the feeling of opening up the youtube app or opening up my podcast app and seeing the content that i really like, there's like

a new version, new episode or new whatever, that is really fun. Or being like, oh, it's Monday. That means this podcast comes out that I like. And that means I get to look forward to that. Like that brings me a joy that like, you know how like you can have a negative experience and then that colors all of like the things that happen. Like I feel like that gives to my energy bank of goodwill that when bad things happen I can still be like well I'm still looking forward to this thing or I still have like this experience like I feel like in

abundance this week because I had a lot of good like you know external validation but also good internal validation because I saw the traditional metrics of success for like my most recent videos. But also, I had been trying to make two videos in a week for like ages now. And I was like able to do it in a non stressful, non stressful way. And so it was also cool, because like the Twitter video i made and like in a day like i just like shot it filmed to edit it all like sort of in the course of a few hours and the satisfaction of like reminding myself that i was capable of that brought me joy and made me sort of was like a like a nice sweater i could wear throughout the day yeah that like comforted me well i mean if

we're talking we're talking 10 we're talking apostrophe 10 we gotta talk about you alexis what the fuck's going on yeah what happened since the last time i've seen you what do you do with this stuff i sound like i sound like a dad right now so jordan and i are proud fathers as you know and alexis our son is um a new boys our son with a z has has become a viral a son has become a viral superstar making oh yeah that's how i love to describe it myself oh no i've heard uh viral content producer oh i've heard oh yeah those words in that i've heard internet internet commodity internet juggernaut is that right like genre defining epic content creator absolute ledge

oh boy oh boy how uncomfortable are you i feel great i'm happy to be here i know you've wanted to do so we should yeah we should explain you do sketches predominantly that's yeah yeah yeah exactly i make comedy videos and jokes online where can people see that out of interest on the twitter uh i'm at yay alexis gay which is my name with the yay in front of it. Alexis, I've got a hard question for you. Or did you want to say something, Jordan? No, no, no. I want that.

I was only going to ask what the catalyst was for that because I know we talked about it in the past, but it went way up in the last six months. So, yeah, what I was going to say is, like, look, as long as I've known Alexis, she's been making comedy videos on the internet. And for years at this point now, because is that, how long have you been at Patreon? I've been at Patreon for two years and four months. So we've known each other for over two and a half years now, probably. Whoa, that's actually insane. Isn't that crazy? Because we met in January of 2018.

Because of Maya's birthday month. Yeah. Whoa. Wait, when did you, how long was it before, when I month yeah whoa wait when did you how long was it before when I saw you at that comedy show how long was it till you joined Patreon couple months a month killer then we can do the math so because that was an important moment for both of us so so yeah ever so so I've been making videos for it'll be like three like publicly online it'll be like three years in October yeah and it's like so what i wanted to say is like we've been making videos on the internet for a similar amount of time and we have both had

this experience or i i i like have my way of having gone through this and i wanted to ask you now having like been doing something and then seemingly doing, you didn't really change anything. I know. No, I don't want to downsell. I don't want to downplay. That's not. It's not downplaying at all. But what I'm saying is you have. You haven't improved.

What I'm saying is you have continued to improve, but you've always been putting out good content, in my opinion. You know what I mean? Thanks. But to have the external validation of, like internet and like going viral and all that, I had a particular experience with this in how I viewed my content prior to the content going viral and post the content going viral. So I wanted to ask you how that experience like has colored your content creation process or like your creative process?

Love that question. It's so funny because I had one video that I made in April that outperformed on Twitter, like anything I've ever done in my life, it got like 3 million views. And that was sort of the catalyst for a lot of other views i don't know i just mean a lot of people saw it like a lot more people saw it than i'd ever anticipated anybody did you ever even a slight sense that it was a step above or was it purely just this is another great thing and it

really caught the wind no it was just like here's another yeah you know like i just doing my thing would you like this yeah i just made you doing my thing. Would you like this? Yeah, I just made you this little thing. Yeah, it's like 50 something seconds long. I'd been making one minute videos because that's all my brain could handle during the pandemic. Plus you had a background in making one minute videos on Instagram.

Exactly. Back in the day. Yeah, back in the day, that's actually what I started doing. So I felt like this will be a fun way to kind of fun, fun way way a fun way to do something creative that won't be taxing on me it'll just be fun because that was the goal was like let's do something that's just fun that's not going to be a lot of like arduous labor and what is funny about

that video going getting a particularly strong reach was that yeah i i don't know i just didn't think it was better than any of my other videos. I almost deleted the footage when I filmed it because I thought I looked too tired or I sounded too tired. It's classic, classic shit. Literally, I was like looking at the footage and I was like, I can't make this in anything. And then while I'm editing it, I was like, oh, this is not going to be good, but I'm going to make it. And then I made it and I was like, oh, it's pretty good. OK, yeah, put it on the Internet. And it's funny because i even said to my my mom obviously i've clued her into what's happening and she was like so why um why this one why why did that one go so crazy and it's funny because to her like to me it's just like any other video how it has changed what i do

and specifically how has like having a larger audience changed it it is just so fun it is so exciting to have an audience I'm a performer I've been a performer for what feels like my entire life and when you're on stage it's just it's like an electric treat to be able to perform and bring joy to more than just like 20 people you you know, and then it's 200 people and then maybe it's 2000, then it's 20,000. And it's just so motivating to, um, in this time when I, I wish I had more opportunities to connect with people, to be able to see those little moments of connection where I see someone saying like, Oh, I sent this to my sister. We laughed our, you know, we laughed so hard or, or, Oh, this is so me, or, Oh, I just went through this or, Oh my God, this is so accurate. That's not the same, right. As me me like seeing a crowd laugh or hanging out with friends but knowing that I

created something that had those teeny tiny little moments of connection like that hits me like joy like it really does and so it makes me want to do more of it so the the net oh it's all motivation yeah it's no seriously it is because it's that initial rush that's that's the biggest thing what I don't have experience which which you two do have is like the socials platform kind of thing it's never been a thing that i've been able to build that my equivalent is arcs i guess the dnd show because that's the one where i'm not really heavily promoted in it so the growth doesn't come in to to jordan so much but that show does pretty solid and it's not for the last several months because it hasn't been

around but there's like a the most comforting moments when i was really struggling with establishing the the dynamic i have with my own mental health in la about a year ago was putting out an episode of arcs and then just like a little bit of fan art a couple comments of like but you know a bunch of general comments and engagement but then every now and then just like oh i needed this for my bad day or my low point at my particular moment oh jordan said hello in the break that made me feel really good it's like the the currency on effort in on our part to value out for them is so huge it's just like i'll just i guess i'll say something like super brief somebody clipped you jarvis just saying hi very quickly in response to them saying hi in the chat and like posted it on twitter yeah

the transference of your very small moment to like the weeks of ecstasy they get out of it it's just neat i remember like i wanted to frame i like tweeted at kina granis one time and she like replied to me and i like wanted to frame it, you know? And it's like, now we're like friends, I guess. Like I got a message from Jesse, her husband that was like, you know, we're watching, you know, your growth and we're really excited for you and stuff. And I was like, oh my God, like I'm, I'm so touched, you know? Alexis, you know, you've known me since I had, you know, like 2000 YouTube subscribers and I was like upset that nobody was watching my videos. So you also knew me through the period of like having the five minute crafts video. You knew me before I made the five minute crafts video and then I made it and then I didn't feel good about it because I genuinely had fun making it.

I was proud of the product. And then when it came out and it wasn't a banger instantly, I started to let my, you know, the public opinion of it from my majority tech audience color my impression of the content. And so I sort of recreated a narrative. I had fun making the thing. I put out a thing that I was proud of that I thought that my friends would like. And we were, you know, and my friends did like. I remember when I was working on that video, I was at Patreon showing like a bunch of people after hours, the life hacks that I was responding to, because I was genuinely like, it was a time before I was super jaded on like the life hack shit because, but well, jaded in

the sense that like nothing really surprises me anymore. But at the time i was like can you believe that they're doing this in this video and i was showing people and they were eating it up and i like knew that it was genuinely a fun a fun video and then the tech audience like didn't really jive with it and so i was like oh it's a bad video i guess i'm never gonna do that again and then the video goes super viral. And I'm like, it was good all along. The reason that I even changed the metadata on the video, which was probably a part of it going viral, was because in my heart, I knew that I cared about that video.

And I thought the video was worth continuing to invest in. But I didn't have the external validation to support that. So I kind of just like kept it to myself and still had like a bit of shame around it. And so when you enjoy something genuinely that you create, does the public response ever color how you view that stuff? It takes an active effort to not let that happen. But I think it's really important to me that I don't because I worry about I don't want to be in a situation where I feel like I have to make a certain type of thing because because it's what I think will get the external validation that I'm seeking. The place that I want to be in is a place where I make stuff because I have fun doing it,

you know, like because it's fun or it's funny to me or I get to collaborate with a friend and that's fun and we get to hang out and have a good time. And I've actually said to a couple of my friends, Jarvis, I think I said this to you. I can't remember. I was like, one day I'm going to put something out and it's going to do terribly. And we are going to have a celebration i was like i'm just saying it now i'm putting something out at some point we just it's gonna happen and we're gonna i was like we'll get on zoom or if the world is opened up we'll go get a drink and it's not a sad drink it is a yay hell yes because to me for personally this is not prescriptive for anybody else but i how i feel

as somebody that likes to make comedy is like if something doesn't eventually like, quote, do badly based on the numbers, then I don't feel like I'm trying enough or I'm like growing enough or I'm stretching. Right. You're not putting the shots out that can miss. You're only taking the easy shots. Exactly. Yes. And then what am I doing? What is the point to me? What's it's not a sustainable mindset. Where's the thrill in working efficiently? I mean, to take it to a super cynical place, you could feel the same way about your nine to five. Yeah, absolutely. If you are doing the thing that you know works,

but the impact of it, you don't care all that much about and the process you care about less as a result. I mean, how long would you even do that? How many years do you go releasing the thing that you know is optimal? Is every third video is fun to make? Because eventually, you know, the stars every third video is fun to make because eventually you know the stars are going to align between interest and effectiveness but like especially with what you do

i feel like there's so many choices of what a video could be whether efficient or otherwise and the opportunity to choose what the most like cynical functional version is always there but also it's i feel like at a certain point it's going to translate that you're not interested yeah yeah i agree here's an iterative version on what i know works and i'm not here i don't want to do that i just i think i don't know i mean part of it is because like we've talked about this is one of my main quote hobbies like this is something that is supposed to be fun and enjoyable for me and it is for for the most part. So I don't want to lose that. I don't want it to become something where I feel like, oh, I have to do this for this. People who think I'm funny will follow me and people who don't

think I'm funny will not or people who think I'm funny and then one day decide that they don't, they'll leave. And I think that's great. Not and I mean that sincerely. I agree. I went through a lot of feelings about people constantly telling me that like, they, you know, haven't followed me since I stopped making tech videos, etc. And I already apologized, but it's, it's interesting. It's interesting, because it's kind of like this, I think my mantra nowadays is like, build for the audience you want, not the audience you have. And the other aspect of that is that burnout is real, right?

And like, I think that, you know, Katie Morton, who is, we should have on the pod, Katie Morton would be amazing. Please. Oh my God, she'd be an incredible sound. Yeah, I don't know why. I should just ask her.

She would say yes. Can we get Tom Scott on? We could, if you want to get Tom Scott on. That actually would be really funny. I also would love to get Tom Scott to get personal. But yeah, she had a talk at Patreon conference a while back where she defined burnout as when things that you're doing, you start to get a smaller and smaller amount of reward from the task.

Oh, interesting. And so that leads to the burnout because like when you get a big reward, like before recently, the moment that I was most engaged in YouTube stuff was during the biggest like rise of the channel because it was so exciting. Every day was like a new like peak, you know?

Sure. And then eventually the storm of growth waned and I wasn't able to get those rewards and so it's like but it's cyclical and I needed to not let that affect like it's very hard to condition yourself out of that because I felt like in a trap where I wanted to get the views and stuff. Cause I knew it was good for the channel, but I also didn't always want to be talking about life hacks. You know what I mean?

Totally. Cause there goes your enthusiasm after a certain time. Right. And also. Plus it's like you're painting with a limited palette. Like how many jokes can you make and what kind of fun can you have? How horrified can you be by a life hack? And the thing is there are.

How annoyed can you be by strange Europeans? No shade to anybody who like dedicates a channel to that type of stuff. But for me, I do kind of get tired of it. Like I'm tired of animated story channels at this point. You know what I mean? Like nothing really jumps out at me. The only reason that I've made videos about them recently

is because I could show them to Sadie and then they made a out at me. The only reason that I've made videos about them recently is because I could show them to Sadie and then they made a video about me and then the biggest channel disappeared. So those are like interesting, unique things that have captured my curiosity again. But like without that, I have to search for like finding my curiosity in the thing because if I can't find that,

then I won't be able to have fun with it. And I genuinely, when I'm not engaged with the thing because if I can't find that then I won't be able to have fun with it and I genuinely when I'm not engaged with the thing it's very hard to get myself to work like amount of work I have to put into a particular video and it's it's an interesting like the interesting thing about me going full-time is that like now there's a financial link too between like this sort of output you know and it's it's like, okay, you know, there's like a dollar amount that's different. If I make the life hack video, then it gets more views. And I'm lucky, I'm fortunate to be in a position where I, you know, saved a bunch and I plan to not be like living paycheck to paycheck on YouTube, because it would be very easy to paint

myself into a corner without that cushion, because it would be very easy to paint myself into a corner without that cushion because it would be hard to say no to like money in the bag. Yeah. It's interesting. And it's scary to deviate. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, you have done this. I feel like a proud father because I am about. Thanks, dad. To the children. You were like, remind me that like to not worry about other people's opinions or how the video does or whatever oh yeah and so you can make a video that's not about tech stuff and not worry about it or it could be about trying on pants which i thought was a great video you know what i mean thank you i was always at war with myself trying to balance like what i wanted versus

like what would do well versus what's genuinely interesting to me. And eventually I found myself in a place where like, I didn't know what was interesting to me. And that was like kind of a scary, scary thing where I was like, what do I do? And I think that the past few months before recently, I was like, oh no, I don't know what I wanna do. That's scary. Cause I have all these options,

but I just don't know what I wanna, what option I wanna take. And recently I've been excited because I've like kind of found my joy with making stuff again. And I feel comfortable with like what I'm doing. And even if I do make, you know, animated story video, I know that it doesn't define the channel. So even if I get comments that are like, aren't you milking this a little bit? It's like, I don't know, man. You know, there's not that many of these videos. And like, I eventually want to build an audience

that is just following me for like my voice comedically and like just likes whatever I make. And it's helped to sort of keep the eye on the prize there. Totally. Boys, my special boys. My special, special boys. My favorite boy and my second favorite boy you figure it out i'm gonna tell you uh you're the favorite one alexis i just want to be clear for

you about it me alexis yay alexis gay on all the things correct yes sir also alexis can you throw out to our audience a message an emoji you would like them to send to you oh my gosh wait i can do that wow i would really love that do they have all of the normal emojis at their disposal yes this will be over instagram twitter whatever they choose oh and they just come and they give me the emoji this is a treat you know i know that the internet sucks but also sometimes so cute yeah it's it's it's been mixed sometimes that two episodes ago when we did the first one, a lot came through. Last time, people weren't as psyched about it, so we only got a couple.

But if you choose something really compelling, it'll happen. Okay, if you want to toss me the dancer girl emoji, then that would be great. I just love her energy. Not the two can-canning. No, not the two girls together, though. I think they're super sweet. Red dress dancer? Yeah, red dress dancer. Because she's just feeling the moment. no not the two girls together though i do i think they're super sweet i just i love the energy of yeah red dress dancer because she's just like feeling the moment you know it's great she's

having fun yeah she's having she's she's having fun we do have fun we do have fun we do have fun you're gonna have to come back on where i don't talk about my experience for the majority of the time. I'll come back whenever you want. Now that I have my freaking sweet audio setup, I can't handle it. Okay. One more note on fun though is like getting this under control. That was fun. Now, when I thought it was not going to work, that was stressful. But then once it got fun, I'm like having the time of my freaking life over here. I have a microphone and an arm stand i have a task cam external recorder do you know how long i've waited to have multiple audio inputs a long ass time and now i have them and i'm freaking psyched and i'm just having a

great day and after this i'm gonna get a coffee fuck yeah my day is oh we are on the up and up and i love this fantastic Fantastic start. Fantastic middle. We're going to close it out strong. And it will all be powered, buoyed by the fact that we were able to connect today. Buoyed. We are the buoy boys today. We're the sad buoys. Boo boys.

Sad buoys, yeah. I'm having fun. I'm talking to my friends here. We're having a good old time. This was pleasant. This was quite nice. This is so nice. This was really nice.

Alexis, I mean, genuinely, you can do, if if you're around we should just do an episode next yeah i feel like i don't want to take this apart now my audio setup now that it's here i feel that i don't want to touch it so um yeah and you also probably shouldn't move because your position right now works the light you're in frame and everything yeah i'm just i'm not gonna move i guess i'm a podcast make sure the light doesn't move i guess alexis needs to be in the like in the canon of sad boys guests that can come on any episode at any time uh tang wow that was insightful i think that's gonna be the approach for sunday live stream actually uh noon pst every single sunday come on down i think if people are just around i know eric going to jump in tomorrow.

So I think it'd be fun to make that kind of like a standard if you just want to jump in, jump on in. Cool, cool, cool. That's so cute. Give some criticism to the boys. Jordan, if people on the internet want to find you somewhere other than right here, right now, how might they do that? You could find me at Jordan Adika, J-O-R-D-A-N-A-D-I-K-A on everything, including Twitch, which I'm doing more.

That's a long username. Gonna do some music production on there. Plus you can also find me at Jarvis's house and let me just say the address and here it comes. Oh, wait. No, I'm not supposed to say that anymore.

There is an episode where Jordan said my actual address and we had to have it cut out of the cut out that episode just came up and i anyway yeah you can find me there and if you want to you can send me i want that smirky little emoji you know the one such a good but i want one person one person to send me the number four so for me i i would like the blushing smile like the smile that's just like and then you can find me on the internet at jarvis everywhere except for twitch which i'm going to be streaming video games more because my switch is going to work i promise i have a computer science degree uh it's twitch.tv magic jarvis magic it's got a payoff at some point

doesn't it that degree my runescape username turned internet handle until I got Jarvis everywhere. So on Twitch, it's just Magic Jarvis. Magic like the card game. Jarvis like the bard game. I'm a bard. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. That was pretty good, huh? Yeah, it was good.

All right, Jordan. We love you. And we're sorry. All right, Jordan. We love you. And we're sorry. My name is Jeff. Boom. Boom. Boom. We did the pod.

We did the pod. We're never doing it again. Podcast complete. My name is Jeff. My name is Jeff.