Sad Boyz - Who is Apple Vision Pro For? (w/ mxmtoon)

Episode Date: February 10, 2024

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. And I'm Jordan. And today we're joined by... People are going to hate this. Yeah, we're in our Pacific Rim. Today we're joined by a very special guest you know her as mxmtoon or perhaps you know her by her human name maya that was really good and you stopped

yourself from saying mom tune so i could see the gears turning in your head everything in my brain the monkeys in my brain were trying to push me to mom tune at a certain point it's kind of like a dialect right like sure there's this way to say a word, but when a thousand years goes by and we've all accepted the new term. That's a thing. I can't. If more people say mom tune, you're mom tune.

It is what it is. It's fine. I'll take it. That's like Pokimane. Yeah. She like, well, it's like even Rihanna.

Rihanna. Because her name's Iman. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of people that like, I think even Ariana Grande is not correct. Is she Ariana Grande?

Pretty much. Something along those lines. It's Susanna Grande. Yeah. Rihanna or, yeah, everyone says Rihanna because it sounds so ooh. But it's Rihanna. Yeah, because whenever she says it, it's Rihanna. And you're like, why are you saying your own name wrong?

Yeah, right? What the hell are you doing? Go back to music. You're ruining your name. Speaking of Yeah, right? What the hell are you doing? Go back to music. You're ruining your name. Speaking of music, that's you. Speaking of music, yeah. That is what I do.

It's not what I ever anticipated to be doing, but I've been doing it for almost seven years now. So it's been a minute. Did you like trip over like a ukulele or something? I literally did.

I like fell into a pit and they were like, you are going to make music. You started doing lyrics about hurting your knee. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, my kneecap. Oh my gosh. that's pretty much how it happened that's what my wikipedia page says about me so it's very short yes very short it's like two sentences long because she fell into a pole a hole um montune tumbled into we're gonna make mom tune a thing and we can't make it it's okay it's already a thing it's fine

yeah there's kibble you guys got mom tune i can see it now it's okay it's already a thing it's fine it's already the pinned comment yeah kimball you guys got mom tune i can see it now it's gonna happen inevitable but yeah no that's that's what i do what did you anticipate doing before i was actually gonna so i graduated i am in high school in 2018 i'm a youngin but i almost did same fuck yeah yeah us too oh 2018 i fucking what was i doing i was basically in diapers yeah i can't even i don't have memories to go back that Dude same Fuck yeah Yeah us too Oh 2018 I fucking What was I even doing I was basically in diapers Yeah I can't even I don't have memories To go back that far

Because I'm so young I mean I was 24 But I was in diapers That's unreal Because I am so old Oh my gosh Oh my gosh But I

I applied for College to do architecture And then Took a complete left turn When music started Coming off for me online and that started as like a little hobby thing it was a little hobby thing because like many other kids i was like i could be a youtuber and then i started a channel and then magically that was not

what picked up for me music was the thing that was just kind of like the side thing but um after that point i fell into the hole and got sucked into the music industry. Yeah, you got into the hole. Had you always been into like just hobbyist music production? It was kind of just like, I don't know. I think I looked at songwriting and I was like, I could do that. I could go on RhymeZone.com and throw together something. Oh, you're going to make some budding musicians be like, wait. I can?

Wait, no, you're going to make all these people who think they can do what we do validated. How dare I do that? Yeah. You're democratizing music. You're making it for the people and not for the Rihanna, the Rihanna's up here. And you are of the opinion that like,

it is only a meritocracy and anybody that doesn't make it is because the music is bad. Yeah. That's what they taught me in the pit. That's exactly it. a meritocracy and anybody that doesn't make it is because their music is bad yeah that's what they taught me in the pit uh-huh that's exactly it i uh yeah no i just um i don't know what drew me to it i think it was kind of just i felt like i grew up in a household where mental health was not necessarily talked about and i think that that music was kind of like the outlet to to discuss anything that I was feeling and then the internet was also like the one area of my life where I felt like it was

like completely my own I think that's the case for a lot of people too yeah so I just really was like drawn to it as a space for like creative expression and um I don't know I was like shouting into a void and then suddenly someone shouted back and I was like huh yeah what are you doing in here I'm supposed to be alone. Yeah, exactly. Hey, stop listening.

That's a, there's a few YouTubers back in the old days who just uploaded videos to share them with other people. Cause it was, it was the easiest way to like get a video to someone like in 2007. And then they popped off from that. And I think that that's really funny to like truly by accident like they didn't even know youtube was a public website they're like no what's happening why is

everybody watching this it's kind of violated get out get still watching my video oh my gosh i love that i think that's more fun that way yeah i don't know did you i'm just curious if like if it was your outlet for expressing things that maybe you didn't feel like there was a conduit for elsewhere and you didn't have people or a community at the time that you were comfortable doing that. Yeah. Once people start listening to that, you kind of end up there again where you're like, well, now I want my lyrics to be a little less open because there's someone in the void. Totally. I mean, I think. What did you say?

Just like yelling back, I can hear you that was definitely a situation I mean I remember actually like my Twitter account currently is the second time that I've made a Twitter account because I got to like 10,000 followers initially in my first one I was like shut it down shut it down there's too many people perceiving me like I freaked out over the fact that there were so many people that were paying attention to what I was saying and then I think in the same vein when you're making something that is like really emotionally vulnerable there it's like the fear factor definitely comes into it but i think joe rogan gets in there yeah for sure he's like clearly fear is a factor for you he's in the void i like your music we should date ivermectin together

do you want to eat this goat ball it's actually really good for, so the, you know, the Tuesday over Hollywood. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down, slow down, slow down. Jamie, look that up. I'm wrong? No, you're wrong actually.

Oh my God. So, so you were saying, sorry to- No, you're so fine. But- Thank you. You're so fine. The, like music being an outlet and being able to like express yourself and express your emotions.

That's such a real thing, I think, for so many people. And to be able to have like a outlet. I listen to a lot of music where, you know, the sounds are happy, but then you listen to the lyrics because a lot of people don't pay attention to the lyrics. Yeah. And then you read the lyrics you're like oh this is are you good yeah

oh okay closing genius because if you say if you say it but like with Melodyne or like you say it with autotune then suddenly it's not sad it is crazy I feel like we're having such a my pyramids left me when I was young and it's like hold on it's kind sad. It is crazy. I feel like we're having such a... My pyramids left me when I was young.

And it's like... That was kind of good. That's kind of a bop. Okay, I have the genius. What does that mean? Why is everyone cheering? It's like that boys meme. Of us.

Why are people cheering about this podcast? Well, I haven't seen the boys. I just know there's that character who drinks breast milk. That's the same one that does that face. Exactly. That's how I know who he is because uh my history with breast milk with breast milk yeah my history with breast milk a jarvis johnson story yeah just because uh do you know about this lore we oh we can talk about it later yeah it's best not to it's i had i i didn't do anything that's all you need to know um i feel like i'm filling in a bunch of gaps in my brain right now but i'm like i'm like what it's even better okay okay it's uh yeah i'm curious about that i mean no there's a lot of

crossover between the audience jacob just uh open up a new tab. Addicted to drinking breast milk animated story. Let me see if it pops up. Nope, not that one. The third one. Wait a minute. I'm Jarvis, and I can't live without breast milk. Pause. I did not make this. But they did after you made a video about them.

I made a video about, I used a video about i used to make videos making fun of animated stories and then i think one of them made this video to like that's like a diss track to me digital footprint is so crazy yeah oh my god to be fair it could be a coincidence parallel thinking at the you know it only has your hair beard face name shirt yeah wow that's crazy yeah 47 thumbs ups if you scroll down 47 000 sorry this is 3.4 million views oh wow 3 000 comments yeah um i'm i'm the pinned comment is that Wow. Why do they do Jarvis like this? Yeah. My question is as well.

I showed this to my therapist. Yeah. Is he right? I feel bad for the people who don't know about Jarvis Johnson. Wait, I didn't do this. Wow. That's wild. Anyway, this happened.

And then I was I blew this video up, though, because it happened. And I was like, I have, you know, red pill, blue pill. I can choose to make content or I can choose to ignore. And I chose to make content. I dug my own grave. So then there's a lot of breast milk memes about me because of this video that I did not make and have nothing to do with. And I don't know who made it to this day or why they made it. But they're welcome on the show.

And maybe they're set right there. And they're not. And you're what? I love to draw. I love to draw. And I hate my friend. And animated. Okay, we're getting off track.

Just my closest friend in the world. I'm just like, you know what? This could be cute. Oh my gosh. Five years? Four years? Three years. Wow.

Anyway, back to you. Breast is best, yes? Yes, yes. Okay, this is super basic, but I actually don't know. And I didn't Google it beforehand and I should have. Where does MXMtoon come from? It's actually my gamer tag. Respect, let's go.

It was initially one of my first usernames online. I was making cartoon drawings growing up and I was sharing them on like Instagram and I got like 2000 followers and was convinced that that was the peak of all internet fame that I would experience ever. And, um, I just used it for like steam. It was my like battlefield name. It was like everything that I used online. I guess that kind of lines up with, uh, in a way like drawing to architecture, right? Yeah. I definitely was just like a really creative kid growing up and then i became a degenerate who loved to play video games too much and then uh it just stuck with me and now i'm here so that's all of us that's how it is cultivated in your house i mean you mentioned that maybe emotional chat not so much but just

general artistry and yeah i feel like architecture is such a like an admirable field to be going in that like a parent being like to be going in that like a parent being like what the hell it's like the one acceptable creative field where it's like oh you could have a career what's that pencil for yeah oh you're drawing a building the straight graph paper yeah if you deviate people will die You have to do it straight. I definitely was surrounded by a lot of creative stuff. My grandma was a painter, and so I, from a very young age, was just always doing something creative. But both my parents are teachers, and I think that they were like,

cool, the pursuit of knowledge. And then when I decided not to go to college, they were like, hmm, you want to do music? And now they're very supportive. But it was just like, I'm like, if my child came up to me at the age of 17, was like, I'm going to sing songs. Be like, you're crazy. Go do something.

I would be like, I have a kid? Yeah. What the hell? Real. Vegeta? Vegeta? Where are you being? Literally.

Is your child named Vegeta? Vegeta Okunoruto. Wow. You got it planned out. Respect. Respect. No last name got it planned out. Of course. Respect, respect. No last name. No last name.

Why would you need one? It's a mononym, but it's all three of those names together. No spaces. Dad, I've missed you. Go do drawing now. What games are you playing

these days for the people? I know because I follow you on Instagram. You know because I follow you on Instagram. Well, Baldur's Gate is like huge. Yeah, I know. I'm a nerd and a loser. Jordan has never mentioned that one before, but he said one day he's going to talk about it. You know what game I play? Getting Laid. I knew it.

I play the game of life, actually. I'm on my 4090. But I am losing. The frame rate is very low. It's been a lot of bg3 yeah and every time i log on i literally my computer goes you're a fucking loser you're a nerd and then i that's me yeah i'm inside of your computer you turn it off it's very hot yeah i really do honestly i probably do yeah yeah it's really discord is the computer talking to you? Oh, this is so mean. Oh, my God. What is the... Any romance for Baldur's Gate?

I thought you didn't know about Baldur's Gate because you're too busy getting laid. He reads the Wikipedia. He likes to read Wikipedia to make fun of it. Oh, that makes sense, makes sense, makes sense. Shadow heart, okay. Oh, you're in love. Shut up. Wait, who did I romance?

I've played so many save files, I actually don't. I think I've maybe done most of the options. Have some honor. I have a question to someone who just bought Baldur's Gate but hasn't loaded it up yet because I'm too busy playing an undisclosed game that I refuse to say out loud on the podcast. Nerd loser.

Everyone who plays Baldur's Gate is like, I'm playing 20 saves. How many hours does that take? That feels like it takes all of the hours. Till the grave. Okay. For sure. Okay, got it.

I have an undisclosed amount of hours on Baldur's Gate 3. How long does, like, let's say I make one choice. Let's say I make my first playthrough and I just, like, kind of blaze through and just willy dilly just make every. I don't know what I'm trying to say, but. A basic first playthrough, how many hours is that? I did not multi save. I multi started out of curiosity. I'm like, what's an origin character? Like, what's like a great round?

Just playing through pretty casually searching for every quest i could find i collected out about 150 hours yeah that's that's about right but it is the pace kind of builds because the first act is maybe where i spent the most time and it is the shortest act it's crazy i was so lost when i first loaded that game because i didn't play any of the previous like i didn't grow up playing runescape or like kind of the divinity games or anything so it was kind of yeah no i'm sure you never touched that in your life um i played you know what i played i played boulders gate dark alliance oh yeah all right which is not the same type of game it's a very different game but but that's the only reference point i have for boulders gate so every time people say boulders gate i'm like i don't think these are

the same thing you're wrong yeah oh my gosh you never played the earlier boulders gates i actually didn't but i kind of do want to go back because i know that there's some like breadcrumbs that they put into boulders gate three there's a couple characters like jahira i gotta wait who's that oh and the worst character in the entire game by the I don't believe people like him, this character that's late in the game. It is epic, lay random. Maybe cut it. It may have stir cheeses at midnight. Fucking unbearable.

Everything about Mince, I despise. I cannot believe people like that character. I like Boo. He's so cute. I like him. I like him. Gross, dude. If Boo has no haters, you're dead.

It is a MySpace ass right here. It is Tumblr the character. Nightmare. Oh my God. I tried to get him killed. So mean. For being annoying. For bothering me.

That's what's going to happen to me. I'm going to get the like called on me for just being annoying it's not like i owe a loan shark money or i've like scammed a casino or something it's just gonna be like you talk too much yeah dude six shooter i'm gonna get six shooted at a live show that's my dream damn that'd be crazy imagine that on a wikipedia article they were too annoying the mob got them yeah popular yeah popular opinion is that they were so annoying that the mob got them oh my god popular opinion why do you know that there's a vote it's like mtv most annoying person landslide vote yeah that's how mtv gets back into the the conversation is killing you by killing me for being annoying i become a martyr for

annoying people worldwide um and you're also playing uh fortnight i saw you doing a little dance today oh yeah i did indeed do a little dance you did a little i've been really addicted to fortnite and it's is this the little dance the best screenshot i've ever seen is that on instagram yes are you when did i that? I literally don't remember. That's so funny. I guess I was really stoned. I was really stoned and very excited to play Fortnite. But you were lucid enough to spell stoned with a zero.

So the Instagram shooter is getting itchy. I'm really good at my job, you guys. Influencer first. Influencer first. You're like writing an essay for school. Yeah, literally. Stoned. How do you feel about that do you feel like the uh type of work and content you've now been making for a while has honed

a little bit of internet tact a little bit of optimizing your language right second twitter account you're like i'm gonna do things different yeah literally and i'm like 10 000 tweets saying it's not different at all still like i'm just saying,000 tweets in. It's not different at all. Still like I'm just saying random shit. New tweets, fewer slurs. Not none. All the same tweets with just the slur deleted. Oh, man. And I won't tell you which one. I think there is like a level of filtering maybe that like I'm just so used to at this point because I've been doing like content for so long.

But I don't know like if it's filtering is necessarily the right word. I think that like maybe it's just like practices like that with like the word stoned I put like the the O is a zero it's that type of thing where it's just like

unconsciously I'm like I need this to reach a level of audience so it doesn't get shadow banned yeah that's true shadow banned shadow banned sounds like

a character in boulders gate it's the second act yeah you meet them you travel to the shadow bands the shadow lands or the shadow bands the shadow bands the shadow bands curse alson we must defeat the shadow ban quickly go save this small child he needs to stream on twitch also do you want to have sex everyone does in this game but can you be a bear i'll pass i'm busy, you know, resolving a world-destroying conflict. Like, but what about pussy? I was like, I'll play later, dude.

I gotta go, man. You gotta play Baldur's Gate 3. I got to. But chaste and virginal. None of this crazy business. Oh, yeah, I won't. I'll say no thank you. I'll pass.

I'll say there's no contraceptives in this world it looks like i'm i'm out there is one romance it kind of comes out i know where it's not like a particularly established character that didn't make me laugh out loud which is it's somebody that just goes like i see we've uh been working together for a little while now perhaps uh you would like to ravage each other or whatever and if you just you just say no they just go like, perhaps you would like to ravage each other or whatever. And if you just, you just say no, they just go like, understood. And you get like an internal thought of like,

though you do not wish to be with them, you feel a little sad about how quickly they were willing to move on. Damn, wait, who, I'm curious who that was. Well, I don't know. It's a... Give me... No, I don't know how actually we a give me no I don't know

how actually we could do that spoiler free you know we'll talk about it later say it with your little yeah we'll say it later put it in song then people will

pay attention to it oh yeah I'm sure people would love that a complete album focused on Baldur's Gate three romances I'm like at what point does your world become

songs about Baldur's Gate real quick like two seconds in when I was playing one game of Fortnite I was like this is it

this is it the brain rot begins I would do it it is the. This is it. The brain romp begins. I would do it. It is the opposite. It is the exact opposite of Baldur's Gate. It's like, yeah, there's no thinking. Do you think they model you in Fortnite like Peter Griffin? You're like super buff.

You've got like a guitar or a ukulele. I actually did do this commercial one time for The Sims, and they juxtaposed my head on top of a really buff guy oh hell yeah i need to find a photo of this so that way you can see it you just say it's real it is real to me we have a history with the sims uh it being that the ceo our old boss uh was the voice of the the young boy in sims 2 jack conti the ceo of patreon was the voice of the boy in Sims 2. Jack Conte, the CEO of Patreon, was the voice of the boy in Sims 2. I wish that was on my resume of things. The young boy.

He's a musician and he then made an album with the woman who played the young girl and they created an album called We Have Faces 2 or something like that and it didn't go anywhere

it's in a presentation he gave about failures in his creative career but it's but it's the young boy from the sims 2 i know surely there's a huge fan base for the young boy surely yeah what whoa that's very convincing like he was like the guy too that I had to be juxtaposed on. Man. That is way more convincing than I was expecting. See, they did a good job. EA's got that money, you know? So they really, they spent it.

Yeah, they called the Marvel people. They said put the Hulk body on fire. Yeah, it's like this is important. It's good though. It really gave me like, I don't know. You very rarely ever get to see yourself in a different version that is so different than someone else. Like, it's almost as if it is someone else. Yeah.

But then your head's being put on top of it. I know. I would love to see myself in a body that isn't jacked and hot as hell. You know what I mean? Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of hard to imagine.

Tough life for you guys. Like a smaller guy like that. Yeah, like a small man. The guy Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of hard to imagine. Like a smaller guy like that. Yeah. Like a small man. The guy's in shape. But he's got some work to do. I can see exactly what's not working. My guns are for go, not show.

All right. I can knock out punch, single strike. I wasn't allowed to create a clash because I would use kicks. Speaking about, speaking on that. Kicking. My guns are for go and for not show the uh twitter twitter video or just twitter in general as an algorithm is bad it's like just all over the place now and i get the most random things and one of the things that i keep getting on my feed now which is a welcome

change from people dying and like fights is arm rustles between like small guys who in bodybuilders like where it's like this ex-marine versus this super buff bodybuilder and it's like what? ooh he's super strong and these bodybuilders muscles are just for show

and I'm like why is this on my feet? for a demo of people being like yeah yeah, dude, that's my ass. Are you watching them? Now I am because, well, I'm kind of obsessed with, okay, so this is everybody mark on the sandwich bingo card. Talk about Twitter because we talk about every fucking episode. but I now I scroll I hate scroll through the replies because I love hate the fact that none of them

are related to anything and it'll just be like here's a Babe Ruth in 1865 or whatever awesome it's like its own algorithm of new tweets it's like people competing for your attention.

They're like, I found a cute dog. I don't know. Here's a guy doing a backflip. What's up, guys? Is this anything? You know what I mean? Turns out in humans, 2 is still on the docket for Marvel. And then one of the replies is like,

Stewie Griffin t-shirt available if he was like a rasta guy. You can't mention family guy because it makes me immediately think of Fortnite now. You got to get out. I got to me immediately think of Fortnite now. Like. You gotta get out. I gotta get out. I gotta go outside. I gotta touch some grass. I mean, it's a beautiful day.

Is it? Relative, I guess. Comparatively. Yeah. It was. It's been like we had a little storm pass through here and I had a leak in my house and bad. Bad is all I'll say on that.

Not good. Top of the bedroom into your mouth. Top of the bedroom into my mouth. A little hydration. It was, yeah. I said, wake up with this glowy complexion. Get up to drink. I would love to have a big hamster, like water dispenser.

No, sometimes I think about that. I think I tried to set one up when I was a kid, like on the wall of my bedroom. I was like, they've got it figured out. Hamsters really have the key to life unlocked. Jail. Being in prison. Jail. Oh my gosh.

They've got that minimalist life unlocked. Yeah. They've got a wheel. They've got some water. Wish I had a wheel. They got a little bit of hay or whatever the stuff you put in the I actually don't know. Bones. I had a hamster and I don't know what it was called.

What was your hamster's name? It's name was Pashmina which is You know him? Here we go way back. Which was the name of one of the hamsters on Hamtaro. Wow. Shout out Hamtaro. Wow.

Shout out Hamtaro. I had a hamster that I only very, like last year realized that my mom hit me with the, they went to a farm. A thousand percent they did. Wow. They were like, oh, they freaking escaped. I really wanted a hamster growing up. Like in first grade, I tried to buy one off of a friend for two dollars and it was like it was like a drug deal but for first graders bad negotiation yeah it was well no i actually got the price down from five dollars because i said i'd pay him with a two dollar bill

oh oh that's huge that's what i'm saying so i had some great dollars to a kid exactly i mean it's okay you failed i mean you didn't get the hamster so i did did you my teacher intercepted the money when i was putting it into his cubby yeah i know she't get the hamster or did you? my teacher intercepted the money when I was putting it into his cubby the fucking feds yeah I know she was like what are you doing?

and I was like nothing I wanted my hamster really bad I was just gonna keep it under my bed and hope my parents never found it

that was probably gonna be inhumane for the hamster so maybe it's good I would say that like when you're six you don't have the greatest grasp on what is good

for an animal I would keep it under my bed no food yeah no food you were gonna buy the food I don't know what I was gonna do is good for an animal. I couldn't keep it under my bed. No food. Yeah, no food. What, you were going to buy the food? I don't know what I was going to do. Just like shell out my Lunar New Year money for like hamster essentials. I have no idea.

We're about to say you, are you from California? I am from California. My mom is also from California, but my family is from Hong Kong. So I'm a little mixed race person. Oh yeah, that did sound like I was asking where are you really from that's okay I'm used to that question yeah for sure there's a very old episode

of sad boys with our friend Mayuko where we have a where are you really from episode back when we used to just talk about mental health and it became too intense to do as a weekly podcast on top of therapy that i was already going getting back from work and then going like well i guess it's time to look inwards yeah oh no that's exhausting i

didn't think about that like how did you guys find the balance between like how do you talk about stuff that is like deeper but also like i think trial and error just exposure therapy yeah um speaking of that actually uh logic the rapper started a podcast i saw this on my instagram feed today he was talking to his father uh asking him questions that he had always wanted to know the answer to and it was like a very emotionally raw moment like they were having this conversation for the first time, like live. And I was like, oh, that's what an interesting display. Like I'm never going to kind of criticize someone's like the way they go about expressing their vulnerability or how they want to go, whatever. I was just like, oh, it's really, you don't, you don't see this a lot.

Right. And then the replies were all like, bro, this should have stayed private. And I'm like, no no that's how we keep ourselves yeah like like insulated why should it stay secret it's like a bunch of people projecting they're like whoa whoa whoa feelings not in my rap music but like logic has always been an artist i guess that's like provided that space in yeah various ways yeah like this should have stayed private anyway i'm to listen to that bop again about the suicide hotline.

Yeah, exactly. Literally with the fucking number in the title. Speaking of not listening to lyrics. Yeah, exactly. They were like, yeah, I don't want to be alive. Hold on. This song might be about something else. This shit slaps, but if you don't do it to music, mm-mm.

You mentioned that not a lot of discussion at home with mental health stuff. Has that changed now that you've- It's definitely changed. I mean, I think my family, I mean, um you mentioned that like not a lot of discussion at home with mental health stuff is that changed now it's definitely changed i mean i think my family i mean i think part of it is just like growing up in like a chinese cultural household like asian people not always the best at talking about their emotions but i think like obviously the conversation has progressed so much over the years that like like my parents are more comfortable like discussing and then also certainly when you start a career that's based off writing songs about being depressed your

parents gonna have to pay attention to it a little bit um wait i read yeah they were like oh you're sad sorry like it's kind of that that vibe i don't want to die yeah you're like uh you're like doing subliminals to your like upbringing yeah so i don't know hello dad this is for you specifically it was kind of whack when you did that thing on my birthday when i was a kid no it's good now i like i'm definitely i think that's the upside to starting a music career out of the blue is i think it helped me get a lot closer with my family because there was just like so much more stuff that they became aware of by proxy of just like listening to my songs and then i think that was also a weird thing to like continue making music and continue being emotionally vulnerable with but with like

my family aware of it and with like so many other people aware of it and how do you like navigate that you can't really pull back on the authenticity once the doors open yeah exactly exactly so it's also interesting that like especially with old like sort of antiquated views on mental health a lot of it's very like solution oriented like you're depressed or you're fixed you know what i mean and so if you continue making music that's emotionally vulnerable they're like wait you're still having bad emotions but we discussed you're not repressing them like older generations. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, interesting.

It's treated more like a bladder issue. It's like, you just drink a more comfortable amount of water. Oh, you have like a mental cyst in your,

you have like a mental ulcer. So once we get that sorted, you're going to stop having bad thoughts. You've got to be on this mental stone. Mm-hmm. Which is kind of actually

sometimes a little bit what it is like, except like they do just, you're predisposed to the kidney stone that you're just, I mean, and I guess I feel like mental health discussion. There's a lot of the time treated like some kind of endemic skill that some people have and some people don't,

as opposed to just being a cascading behavior, like one person, like you releasing a song that acknowledges it and then that resonating with someone and then them using it as a kickoff point for the same discussion and then maybe they're expressing it publicly maybe whatever and then their younger sibling does the same thing but uh you know just like osmosis totally like there are no just like even you know my growing up my mom was uh she was always just like a very emotionally candid person and i was just kind of in contrast a little bit more withdrawn and then i got older and felt more comfortable i was just like a very

emotionally uh like blocked and often like insincere kid like i'm fluent in sarcasm you know like to escape opening up or whatever and then i i went to college and actually especially moving to the u.s where there's just like a ceiling on how much people are willing to conceal their emotion for sure you just hear it it's like yeah there's a gas leak of emotion in every american as much they want to hold it in it's like shaking yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not doing well. Oh, my gosh. I think about that all the time. Like, I don't know. My grandparents moved from Hong Kong to the U.S.

And I think, like, obviously growing up, there was never a space for them to talk about, like, anything that they were feeling. Are your parents a second generation? My parents, yeah. My mom is second generation. And she basically, I think my grandma, she went to, like, therapy for the first time when she was, I don't even know how old she was. She was in her 70s. That's awesome. Yeah.

That's so cool. Yeah. But like to even get to that point. To be open minded. Yeah. Absolutely. Like that was really impressive. I know when she started that, I was like, damn, I never thought in my life this woman would do something like that.

Prompted by what? Well, she was facing terminal illness. And I think that there was so much that she was like, I don't know how to talk about this with my family. And we all encouraged her to be like, you should find a space where you can talk about like what's going on. Because it's such a heavy thing to navigate. And I just like, I don't know. I think it's just as simple as like making sure you have someone that's kind of like this unbiased, uninvolved party that can just listen to you. But that's like a testament to the fact that your grandma who is –

I think we think of older generations as completely calcified in their beliefs. And to be open-minded, I find that very like inspiring because some i'm sure people think of some of these things like i'm too far gone yeah or it's like i i missed my window or i'm too late it's like dog new tricks yeah there's you know no time like the present and like there's always an opportunity to like you know work on whatever's going on or express whatever's going on and probably some like i think maybe some of the uh desire to minimize other people in your space talking about it is it's triggering like a gambler's fallacy if i spend my whole fucking life not doing that so if that is real yes then i have to feel sad about that exactly i'm sure it's like terrifying no it's fake stop making me think about my wasted years no um which is not it's not wasted years right it's like it's

unless it was completely debilitating for those 70 years which you know it wasn't they had a family i wanted to say though we were talking earlier about getting comfort with like expressing your emotions and stuff and how it's not um you know, people aren't just necessarily predisposed to expressing themselves. I think my little personal theory is it comes out of, you know, needing outlet, like the sort of water's boiling up and it needs to like go out somewhere and you can find productive ways for that and you can find unproductive ways and you can find like laterally productive ways where it's like not harming anyone but it could be you know you could go internal like for me I was very hard on myself internally and that helped that helped me because I didn't like lash out at anyone.

You know what I mean? It was like helpful that I wasn't doing like outbursts to people. But knowing that you have the capacity for that or that you need to like sort of let off that steam somewhere is a method of expression. And that is a way that you start to get your experience in expressing these emotions and processing these emotions. Yeah. Even if it's not always in a therapy,

like sort of prescribed therapist way. Cause you know, we're humans. We have to like make do with what we have. Yeah. You theroped up. Theroped up. Am I theroped up?

Yeah, you theroped up. I've been theroped up for, I think it's going on. Gosh, let me see. 2000. Years've been theraped up. I've been theraped up for, I think it's going on, gosh, let me see, 2,000... Years? Whoa.

Still not fixed. Yeah. Wow. It's been, I think, yeah, I know, right? I like my progress bars just not moving forward and getting no experience in my therapy session. You're feeling very self-conscious about being immortal and sad. Yeah, yeah. I think, oh, man, how many years has it been?

I think it's almost been nine years or something like that. Yeah. So love my therapist. Shout out my therapist. For like the last five years, yeah, I've had the same person. Yeah. Okay. I talk about this a lot.

I'm curious your thoughts. I like having had the same therapist for a while. Yeah. Because they have the context of like where you were at. No, that's exactly it. I don't, to be be honest i don't want to explain like all of the context i don't want to do a lore drop with an entirely new person that's so crazy i don't remember half the shit yeah to my psych and it just goes like you fucking said this in 2020 exactly oh right damn it's actually amazing how therapists recall stuff for various people i I'm like, you're talking with so many people

all the time. How do you remember that? I don't like to think about that. I like to think that we're so well. They're my bestie. That's an exclusive relationship. Nobody else talks to them. I'm helping them.

You don't listen to anyone else's feelings. You don't care about anybody else except for me. You like walk in on your therapist doing a session with someone else. Who the fuck is that? Who is this?

Dude, most like of four years or whatever, mentioned it for the first time ever because he changed locations and reports. And I was like, oh, nice new spot. And he's like, yeah, it's easier for people to park. And some people came in.

It's like fourth wall breaking. Okay. Good. Why do people need to park? It's just us who hang out. Yeah. What? They park and go elsewhere.

Yeah. No. Hmm. You're talking to them. I have recommended. Right. A couple of people,. You're talking to them. I have recommended a couple of people, a couple of friends of ours. I have recommended him

in some cases and anytime they have taken me up on it, I'm like, good. Great. Yeah. No, that's awesome.

It's totally fine. It's what I wanted to happen. It's actually good. I want you to have a space to talk about your feelings for sure yeah this is why i'm not poly it's like great that that you hell yeah i have to go elsewhere for a while what's funny is my therapist was a recommendation from a friend of mine who is still

a friend but we don't keep in touch very often but But I still have their name in the therapist, right? Because when I was doing the like dating, you know, like for finding a therapist, you're like calling around and stuff like that. I have their name next to the therapist's name in my phone. Oh, it's like Hannah Steve. Yeah, it's like Steve's recommendation. Yeah, Steve's therapist. Not my therapist.

This is Steve's. They're cheating. Yeah. I love cheating. Yeah. I love that. How'd you find yours? I actually was looking in, I grew up in the Bay Area, so I'm from Oakland. And I was looking at like therapy practices because the dating around with therapists is so real. And I was like, oh, I actually would like to find someone who is a person of color that has experience talking about like queer identity and like i do

and then i found a therapist who shares like almost virtually every identity with me which was like that's so cool amazing and i walked in and she's like a queer half asian woman if that's from the bay area and i was like oh yeah that feeling yeah literally that feeling though of like you you get me you you're the only person that I'm talking to. We, we, we see each other. Like that feeling is like amplified by 10. Cause I'm like, nobody gets her like me. And she, nobody, nobody gets me like her. Like, yeah, it's totally like that.

Oh my God, it's mom too. You guys have your own memes. Oh my God, I wish. I respect her too much to send her memes. I think like, I, to be honest, the people pleasingness in me, it bleeds over to therapy sometimes where I'm like, she has to think I'm cool. I, do you ever feel like you're performing for your therapist I do stand up in my therapy

all the time it needs to land the right amount of time it can be none I have to do a couple jokes every once in a while and if she laughs I'm like yes I got a gold star in my therapy session today the number one thing keeping me down is not all my jokes land.

I swear. That probably, I probably talked about that one day. I got A plus in therapy. I had all the best thoughts. How am I doing versus the others?

Literally, you got to ask that question. Maybe I'll ask you next Tuesday. We'll see. Tell me about one of your patients that's really fucking shit

after I get up. And tell me how much better off than they are yeah give me one of the real crazy ones um i am i the best at being depressed i want to know i have the most unique pain that's that's that was real for me where uh i used to think when i was young i and i guess a lot of uh at least young, when they don't know how to express this and there's talk to masculinity, they're like, I have the most unique pain.

No one knows what it's like to be me. It's like simple plan songs. Have you ever heard a simple plan song? What, the lyrics are like that? There's a literal simple plan lyric that goes, no one knows what it's like to be like me. Oh, so the one's like, no. To be hurt, to feel lost, to be left out in the dark to be kicked

when you're down the song called welcome to my life and it's hilarious to hear a 26 year old man talk like a teenager but the um like his parents he like he's mad at his parents for grounding him i'm like you're 29 and a millionaire it's very weird was it recently yeah no it's like they came out like their songs when they came out they were like in their mid 20s but

I was gonna say I'm jealous of you because I don't share any identities with my therapist but

we well but there's like a there's like a solidarity like my therapist is an Indian woman like a I used to have an Indian therapist.

A middle-aged Indian woman who moved from India. And she's great. But I do kind of want to get a side piece therapist.

I've never heard someone put it like that. That's so funny. God, that feels fucked. Like if I said that to my psychiatrist, like I'm like, I'm seeing another one as well. That does seem hurtful. Yeah, for sure.

I'm like, what, so it doesn't go both ways? You can see multiple people I can't see? I can't do it, yeah. And they're like, oh, because they must be cheaper. I'm like, way more expensive. So, oh, I'm paying them way more. I can't do it, yeah. And they're like, oh, because they must be cheaper. I'm like, way more expensive. So, oh, I'm paying them way more. I'm giving them all my income. Oh, Jesus, yeah.

Sorry, I can't do multiple sessions this month because I'm giving an all to Rachel. Who's crushing it? I'm giving it, you describe it sexually. I'm giving a brain job to my side,

to my side therapist. Oh, man. Brain in the head way. Psychologist. That's hard. Oh man, a side therapist. Brain in the head work. Psychologist. Because I do like my therapist a lot and they have all that context, but there are some identity things that, it's not like we've had issues because we have it.

And then there is some stuff we can see eye to eye on, but there are some specific stuff where it's like, I don't want to have to give the context of like certain cultural certain cultural things and not like cultural from a american thing because she's like been in america for most of her life but like um from uh like black identity yeah totally i mean you mentioned the asian household i mean i obviously don't know the nuances of it, but I. It's probably a very nice shortcut to have someone that might have that same experience. Totally.

You have the vernacular for it. You have to go like, OK, but it's like this. But I don't. It's hard to describe a color only you've seen. Yes. Like, I don't. It's fucking green. You know, I don't know.

Exactly. I mean, you can even say like, it's so silly because you could probably play it's like say say the simplest thing ever like i'll just like if i don't even know how to say it i can just be like being asian is so weird and then like my therapist be like so true and i'm like you get it and like i think there's instances where you could obviously say that to other therapists and they could be like. I mean, I can't. We are actually dead kids, generally. I tried and it did not go over well. So you're an Indian therapist? She was like, oh, okay. Mine's a white guy.

He did not like it either. Being South Asian is weird. Why did I say that? Yes or no? Do you agree? Do you agree? Shit. I hate when i do the voice

i don't approve of that at all do you talk have you talked to your family more about that stuff as a result definitely i mean like it is honestly so helpful to have the context of like a job where mental health is such like at the forefront of like what i talk about i think that like the conversations with my family have just opened up tenfold for them to be like it's even weird because i'll be writing songs that will apply to them and their childhood and everything that they've experienced. They're like, oh, I didn't know you felt that way. I felt that way, too. And so I think getting this is something I think about a lot.

Getting a request DM like, hey, things have been really hard lately. I just want to say thanks for keeping me up for my parents. Exactly. Exactly. I think it's like. I had a real personal connection to your son my daughter's just like you my mom's too busy sending me cat reels on on instagram um actually that is mom yeah yeah she is mom tune she is mom tune um what was i saying there like i think that's the main thing about a lot is just like contextually getting to know your parents as peers when you become an adult yeah it's like crazy yeah that's fun that is messed up they

should be not let you yeah i'm like whoa whoa stop it hold on yeah i don't want to uh assume but would you would you say that like just because of like not having that openness regarding mental health, you've kind of like growing up. Do you think you've kind of brought your family along on this journey with you in a way? Oh, I dragged them by the shirt. I was like, you're coming with me. I think I remember like, I mean, my first song that blew up was literally called Feelings Are Fatal. Like, I was like, I was like i came up with that side i was like that could have been an emo track it could have been unfortunately it was just a little ukulele

track with me singing on top of it it goes hard regardless thank you this was your one uh toxic gossip train it was oh my god that ruined my life i you're not allowed to have a ukulele anymore. I literally want to smash every ukulele in my home. It's crazy. The power that that one video has on me. Her lifting the ukulele is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. The comic timing of it is incredible. Oh, gosh. No, but you were saying.

Before we talked about Toxic Gossip Train. I can't remember. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first one that blew up. The first but you were saying. Before we talked about Toxic Gossip Train. I can't remember. The first song that blew up. The first song that blew up. The first song that blew up. The first one was for Fatal. Yes. And it was like this like throwaway song that I had written.

It was all about like being closeted and being depressed. And then I played my first show in Los Angeles. Was it a throwaway song? I'm going to challenge you on that. Was it a throwaway song? It honestly was. Okay. It was a throwaway song.

Did you have like a throwaway Reddit account? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just need to get this out. Yeah, my first hundred throwaway song? It honestly was. Okay. It was a throwaway song. Did you have a throwaway Reddit account? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just need to get this out. Yeah, my first hundred throwaway videos that built my career. There was other things I was writing where I was like, this is going to blow up.

And the very first song I ever wrote, which I cringe still to this day when I say it, is called 1-800-DATE-ME. Horrifying first title. It truly was kind of toxic gossip. You told her to do 1-800-SOMETHING to 1-800-100 yeah yeah yeah that's a way less like philanthropic one than like hey everyone this is the this is a hotline that might

help you and then this one's like no no you're late literally the polar opposite but i was like i thought that like comedy songs were gonna be maybe what i would lean into i wanted to be so badly i was like i could do that shit so easy like i can write those songs and then i wrote a 30 second demo that turned into feelings are fatal where i was like let's just let's try being sad for for a change of pace and then that was the song that ended up going like viral um but rats yeah i know i was like fuck you guys you weren't supposed to tell them um listen to my song about uh bald's gay one exactly i yeah no i probably was two degrees away from it's a quick song and then i haven't played it but totally dragged my parents into it i think that they they had no choice do you have like a big name i know this is like such a trad interview

question but i'm just very curious like i feel like uh I know this is like such a trad interview question, but I'm just very curious. Like, I feel like, you know, music, especially when you've found your voice in the like is kind of this, you can just do that. That's like the,

the core of your output. But is there a part of you that wants something? Well, maybe it's always wanted to make buildings, go to go back to school and restart. I think, you know, scratch this.

This is making me sad. Let me throw this all away. A song, a building of songs. Yep, yep. I definitely, yes. Like I think music was not, I'm so grateful for the job I now have, but it wasn't necessarily the pathway

that I wanted to pursue initially. I think it was just something that I was really lucky to land into and I've learned to really love it and i've always loved music i grew up playing it but i think what's satisfying to me as like a creative is to do everything like i love video production i love podcasting i love video games yeah like a like because you i'm like at heart you know what i mean like you said you started with your youtuber and i did and like i love, you know what I mean? Like you said you started with your YouTuber. And I did. And like, I love that stuff.

It's like a predisposition to a disease. Yeah. Sounds like you might. I got YouTuber-itis. I can't help it. Yeah. I create a law firm that's like, if you've been affected by wanting to make videos. If you just can't stop, you're just doing it.

You just can't stop doing it. Call 1-800-DATE-ME. Oh God. Yeah. You know, it comes back to that. Did you find out whether that is a lot? Does that go? I don't think it does because it doesn't actually fill out the full phone number, which is a good thing.

Date me. Yeah. No, it's good. There's nowhere for it to go. Please. Now. Date me now or else I'll get you. Have you ever had any, and this is going somewhere.

Okay. But we're going to start with, we're going to start with a more open-ended question. Favorite race. It's going somewhere. It's going somewhere. Well, no, no. It's going somewhere.

What was it? Being Asian is crazy. Yes or no. So have you ever had any insecuritiesurities about your music oh my god have i had any insecurities about my music do you experience imposter syndrome um call 1-800-DATE-ME yeah exactly because i'm experiencing it oh my god all the fucking time like i can't even begin to know where to start with that like i because so much of it does come down to music not necessarily being the thing that i was like this

is this is what i think i'm good at music was never something that i thought i was good at i just enjoyed making it and i think starting at such a young age where all of my earliest work was like I think the ukulele is something that obviously people poke fun at all the time oh my goodness I was gonna ask you about have you seen the Atlanta episode no actually uh because well there there is like the meme of like I think in 2010 and definitely early YouTube so many uh non-black creators would would would play acoustic or ukulele covers of like hip-hop songs and would go viral to the point where it atlanta made an episode like making fun of this like trope it's like because you know like what if it wasn't scary yeah what if that song but it's like silly like yeah because that music's fucked up. You know what I mean? It was scary, I hated it.

I love Jonathan Colton, for example, but he, one of his songs that went really viral was a Baby Got Back cover where it's like, I like big butts and I cannot lie. You know what I mean? Like, and it got so popular that Glee plagiarized, plagiarized his arrangement. Wow. Yeah.

Wait, I didn't know that fact about Glee. I'm a huge Glee fan. glee and then and then he and then he so when they did baby got back it's actually it's so jonathan colton's version that uh you know there's a lyric in baby got back where he says um mc hammers in trouble or something hammers in trouble something like that and then and then jonathan colton's version he goes johnny c isn't johnny john john colton As in Johnny. John. John Colton is in trouble. Glee says Johnny C. Is in trouble.

Oh, wow. Oh, check. Yeah, exactly. And so then and then Jonathan Colton re-released the song without changing it. And then said, baby, got back in the style of Glee. And then put all the proceeds to charity. And I thought that was cute. Wow. This is like back in Glee days. Yeah. the proceeds to charity and I thought that was cute. Wow.

This was like back in Glee days. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. What happened when they just looked up the song?

Can we pull up the Glee version? Glee version of Baby Got Backed? I was so big on Glee. Me too. I was a Gleek. I love that for you.

Is this the one where Phineas is in the background? Like Billie Eilish's brother? He was in Glee. He played the gym coach. Listen to the LA Face with the Oakland Booty Harmony at the very beginning. LA Face with the Oakland

Booty. Oakland. Oakland mentioned. Pause. Now, open up another tab. Jonathan Coulton, baby, got back. L.A. face with the Oakland booty. Claps. The claps, too.

It's identical. That's actually wild. It's identical. That's identical that's actually wild it's identical that's i copied them yeah i can't believe he stole that from them yeah it was crazy i remember it blew up on twitter because he was like this came out and uh they did not contact me about this that's another weird part why don't even just go i wonder if the comments on the glee wouldn't mention jonathan colton at all it's gonna be mike's mic wow ripping jonathan colton not crediting him is that cool jonathan colton get credited jonathan colton damn some rider dies for jonathan colton let shout out shout out to the rider dies guys. Jonathan Colton wrote this version. The big nail in the coffin is the Johnny C's

in trouble that they left in the song. That's wild. Wait, can you just play it? I want to see if... Baby got a fat head. It's also worse than the Jonathan Colton version. Wait, play that.

I don't think they'll say the Johnny C line because it's probably not the Florida, but play the Jonathan Coulton song just for my, just to just fully illustrate how bad of a rip this is. Baby got back. That is criminal. Yeah. Can I just shout out the-

You can pause it now. Wow. The lifetime frustration. I just shout out You can pause it now Lifetime Frustration One black guy in the Glee version And they urkeled him So he wasn't scary We can have Richard Ayoade

But we're not having one of those hip hop style Obama-esque Kendrick types And I will say that John McAuliffe is guilty of The sort of Sanitizing in quotes yeah like the like hip-hop song but it wasn't a trope as it at that point in time as much so i'll you know because he was doing that with a lot of stuff uh that weren't just hip-hop songs but whatever anyway i'm not gonna defend him any further than i already have uh but uh yeah that was crazy why did i bring that

up though uh you said there was a follow up to that question. Was, oh, I was talking about the acoustic thing. Oh, I was like, oh yeah, like Jonathan Colton and other people have done that. But then like it became a big thing on YouTube. Lots of, lots of covers that were, that were like that. And I don't know why I brought it up. I guess since you weren't familiar with that stuff then it's kind of a moot point doesn't matter fuck this podcast is there a type of music that you

haven't been able to indulge in as much because there's an audience for what you are doing like genre wise in terms of like what i'm making i don't know if that i think that i'm really lucky that my audience feels receptive to a lot of like different kinds of music and I think that the upside to starting with something that is like such a blank slate with just one instrument and with like my voice is that you can expand it to be something that's like a lot more different

so but I think the ukulele was it was definitely this is on me but I think I pigeonholed myself in some capacities in terms of like how I was even explaining myself to other people and being like, I'm a sad ukulele girl. And you listen to Dodie. Well, Hey, what's up? Yeah.

Like kind of that vibe, but shout out Dodie. Love you, Dodie Clark. Um, but you weren't saying that before the show. You've been really mean. You were saying the British are bad. Yeah. bad yeah yeah to me that was verbatim um the uh what was i saying now i'm now i'm looping the british are bad the british are bad oh yeah the british are coming um the uh the sad yooka-laylee girl pigeonholing yourself yeah yeah so i think i like really leaned into that because i think when you're

young and you experience people being like yeah yeah, that's so true. You just like lean further into the thing. You're like validation. doing a good job. So I think that it's like gotten easier as I've gotten older to figure out what is exciting to me to like write and make. And it's not baby got back covers, but I think like, not yet, not yet. Do someone else's verbatim. So there's UMG news. Like they were negotiating with TikTok,ok but you know okay so first of all corporate consolidation means that there's like three record record labels uh that are all gigantic companies and they control all of the music all the popular music in the world and umg is one of the big big ones they own like a third of everything yeah universal music group the

biggest i believe at least the broadest it It's like Universal, Sony is one. And then, what's the other one that's big? Well, it's Universal. I think Sony is another one. Yeah, Sony. EMI, Sony, Universal, and Warner. Got it. Okay, yeah.

I should know that. I did not know EMI at all. I don't know what EMI is either. Oof, that can't feel good for them oh it's umg it's still universal oh great good it's just oh it's the british like wing of universal so it's a big like we said it's a big three yeah like because they just keep consolidating they do eventually it'll just be one yeah it'll be the literal universal they knew when they were coming up the name they're like this is the plan it's just the acronym is m the music group that feels so dark so they uh speak like this giant corporation was

in a contract dispute with tiktok giant corporation or ByteDance. And they couldn't come to an agreement. And the PR people are like acting like they're fighting for artists. But we know they're just like nickel and diming and doing like, you know, lawyer contract redlining. And it just didn't work out. The executives weren't getting enough of a big cut of the artist's labor. And they were like, what do you mean free promotion yeah thousands upon thousands of artists absolutely benefit us as well and so now a third of the fucking music ticked like tick tocks with

actual songs the background are muted so people's entire careers have just been muted on TikTok. The archived ones as well. Yeah, yeah. I didn't think about that. It sucks. My video about playing Fortnite got muted. That was really the biggest tragedy of that situation. That wasn't because of Yoji.

That was because it was kind of cringe. That was another contract dispute they had with making bad things. Oh, man. That was the contract dispute they had with making bad things. Oh man. The universal cringe group. They decided to mute a third of the cringe content on TikTok. Brutal. No, no,

no. Just kidding. UMG stands for major cringe. Major gross. That was actually the leading point behind the contract. They were like, we can't let people keep doing this. We can't.

This has to stop. Oh man. I mean, that's like, uh, I don't know what you are attached to or what your process has been with management

agencies, etc. But that is kind of that feels like that might be a, not this specifically, though, it's part of it. It's one of the more exploitative been exploitative forever. Yeah, it's so ingrained and exploitative. Like there's old businesses that have like cornered the markets.

Like I've heard publishing is like this, where like a lot of the publishers are like hundred-year-old companies that like kind of own everything. But music is this unique combination of extremely predatory and ubiquitous and like unavoidable. What has your experience been with like record labels and stuff? Big music.

Yeah, I mean, I'm really lucky. I own the rights to all of my music. And I think that there is situations like this with like Universal where there's new models that are finally actually being made for artists to retain the rights to their songs i work with a label called awal um and they're under the sony music group but their business model is letting every artist that they work with own their entire music catalog so yeah um that's awesome that's really sick and it's really nice

because i mean you would hope that like when you post on TikTok like you would still have control over whether or not people are going to hear your songs and stuff like that so um I think that there's like may like light at the end of the tunnel and obviously like the situation with EMG makes it really clear for a lot of like consumers of music and audience members to be like oh wait like that's crazy that a music group can just pull the plug on promotion for every person from taylor swift to a really small indie artist like nobody is allowed to promote their music it all will all get muted like that's that's insane artists cannot promote their own music yeah in a lot of these

cases it's really wild so i don't know i think like my experience with labels i'm glad that i own the rights to everything but it's also like that's such a rare situation to have happen. Is that something you've had pushback on? I think no. I mean, like, I'm really lucky. It's always been something that I've like, that's what I want to happen. And thankfully, there's ways to do that and ways to make that happen. But I mean, that's not always feasible for every person to like take that big of a gamble on yourself in that capacity.

Yeah. Right. That's a good, that's a good point. I mean, actually Fortnite, the same shit happened as we're describing with UMG where they just aren't on the Apple store still because they wanted to ink a deal where they didn't have to pay the 30% kick up to Apple. Was that what it was? That, oh yeah. And he knows for the freedom of the creator. Give us that 1984 propaganda video.

It's a famous commercial. The 1984 will not be like 1984 commercial. Are you talking about the Mac commercial, the Apple one? Oh, no, it's aping that. It is a Fortnite one that they put out, which is like, oh, that was cool. Yeah, that was cool. Apple thinks they're holding us back. Epic.

Epic is being destroyed. Giant corporation. Yeah. That was cool. Apple thinks they're holding us back. Epic. Epic is being destroyed. Giant corporation. Yeah. But they are the like, I think that Apple's ecosystem is really predatory because you kind of have to play by their rules or else. And that's not good for the consumer no and that's just why you know um big capitalism like these like giant corporations owning everything is not good for the consumer because when every when everything is consolidated they can start to sort of create a cartel where um

you know uh they're setting the prices on everything because a couple of. Cartel is the perfect. Yeah. It's like, it's like how airlines, you know, can do this and how. The doors are allowed to fly off.

And how you can only get one internet service. Like that's like for you, that's in your area. And then that service sucks ass and, but you have no choice and it's a privately held company, but's like a public utility like because having internet is is a public utility it's not like a it's not a thing that you can go without in this world at this point yeah if you like are professional or like you work they're stuck in an extended uh because i i still have uh i'm still on the lease for my apartment in the UK and I sublease it.

Unless that's not allowed. In which case, I'm kidding. I've subleased that apartment and there is a, in the UK you pay for a TV license. I think it might be yearly. It might just be, actually, I think it's just, you just pay it for each location and then you have it the whole time you think got it and supposedly that's a subsidize the bbc primarily and it's just kind of become a cultural standard and it's you know it's not nothing it's like a hundred bucks or something

like that or equivalent of hundred bucks and i we kept pushing back on it because we're like well we own a tv but i have not watched terrestrial TV since like the Obama administration. I am not paying for this. It's crazy. And we started getting really petty about it. And we were getting these like, we will destroy your credit. Like we will send at what point they, they, they send one where, uh, cause I got sent to my mom's place that I was, uh, that I had for her. And we got sent a, not a cease and desist,

but equivalent of like, we will send the marshals. Like we will, we will send, you know, officials will visit your home if we don't receive a reply about this notice. And I'm like, and do what? Yeah, what? What are they going to do? Go up to my sickly mother and just be like,

hey, what the heck have you been watching downton there's so many things as consumers we are forced to put up with because companies are trying to like squeeze us for our last dollar the fact that you can buy uh an expensive television and plug it in and you get ads on your television insane it's a box that's supposed to show me picture for real don't fucking why am i getting plug it in and you get ads on your television. That's crazy. Insane to me. It's insane. It's a box that's supposed to show me pictures. For real.

Don't fucking, why am I getting ads? I bought this. What is going on? I'm not renting the TV from Samsung. Why am I looking at ads? It's just happening with that Suicide Squad game, right? It's like DRM online only is like, if the servers go down, I just don't own it anymore.

That's so insane. I just can't play the game I bought. Oh yeah, and now, you know, every streaming service is like, oh, I can write this off of my taxes if it doesn't perform well, so I'm just going to take it down forever. And so, and then DVD sales

are really no longer a thing. Do you get like disproportional kind of merch and album sales because of the maybe the connection people have to you i don't like the term parasocially so much when it's just liking something a lot but the connection i guess to like the i don't know like you as a personality yeah do i get like when you say disproportional you just mean like more than you generally would get like spotify streams is kind of the default i feel like for a lot of um not youtube music listening but i feel like your audience would be more predisposed to like i'm buying this album like this is i'm a part of this oh i see like so so um you're saying like

physical physical music sales do you do you sell your music physically i do yeah any vinyls yes vinyl it's like it's such a hard thing to make, yeah. Do you have any vinyls? Yes, vinyl. It's like, it's such a hard thing to make vinyl though. It's super backed up. Yeah, because you have to carve it yourself. Yeah, every single day I wake up and I sit there with a little thingy. You're whittling. I start whittling away. It starts with bobble.

I just know that thing would sound like shit. It's all screeching. It doesn't sound like a good song. It is like limited run, one one vinyl handmade like breaks your record three seconds in the middle where it sounds perfect. It sounds exactly like

I finally after like all of the loops figured out how to do it. It's just the very talent the monkeys that write Hamlet. They eventually create a vinyl. I don't recognize monkeys would be able to do it. It's just the fairy tale end. The monkeys that write Hamlet, they eventually create a vinyl. I don't reckon those monkeys

would be able to do that. Create a vinyl. Because they can't write or whatever. No, that's true. It's always like, if there's infinite monkeys, they write Shakespeare. No.

I've never done it and I can freaking read. And I know him. All right, this is the part of the show where we look at stuff from the internet and talk about it. Because people don't like to click on things about emotional vulnerability. So we have structured the show in a way that we can do both.

So here's where the thing that you probably clicked on the thumbnail for the video for is going to happen. Gotcha. Gotcha-ass. Let's talk about Apple Vision Pro, everybody. We've all seen the memes apple created a 3500 headset for augmented reality those cheeky bastards and it's like it's like google glass all over again jacob let me let me send you something oh i think i know what is it this takes me back this wasn't my google glass but i did have friends with Google Glass.

This was taken on the Google campus when I was interning there. That's wild. First thought comes to mind. Cool. Really cool. Well, you look, sorry, but your cool factor is just not ever going to reach what it was when you were in Google Glass. Yeah. You look pissed off.

I think you give me the, like, i know you felt dope as hell when you were wearing oh yeah for sure i've got like a sweatshirt draped over my yeah you play polo yeah there's a different i don't know if i've told the story about showing google glass to robin thick yes i think so yeah there's a photo where like i it's it's not better that I didn't personally own Google Glass but I had multiple friends who did but it is the truth um but yeah we're like I went to this bar in Atlanta and uh and Robin Thicke was in the back and we showed him Google Glass and he asked if you could see through women's clothes with it uh and we said this is why you're getting a divorce oh my god hey would this help me win a trial yeah right oh my god no it was super weird then he got super drunk bought us all shots and

then got uh taken away in a white escalade by his manager because he tried to hang from the ceiling i don't know if i told that part oh haven't seen him he got super drunk at this bar in atlanta and then you know how like some bars have like exposed piping and stuff yeah yeah yeah he like stood on a table balanced a little plate ceramic plate from the bar on his head fell broke on the table and then he tried to he tried to grab up to like exposed

piping and stuff and grab onto it and then his manager was like we have to go that's crazy it's a little it says a lot when you have to take your representation out with you, like a chaperone. Yeah, it says. He was performing next door at the Fox Theater in Atlanta.

So I guess it was just like, I don't know if it was before the show or after the show, hopefully after. Hopefully after. But that's what Apple Vision Pro reminds me of, the glory days. Robin Thicke. But also, so we were talking a little bit about rage bait uh in something that might be on sad boys nights but this feels i don't know where we start jacob should we start with the casey neistat video uh yeah so you'll notice he is traveling in public

traffic with this this is oh my. I don't feel like the legislation has caught up to this one. No, no. The legislation hasn't caught up to anything. I mean, to be fair, the person with the camera is in the middle of the road.

What the fuck? Oh, wow. I hate that. What? Oh, I hate that. This is what it looks like when you FaceTime from Vision Pro

because it's got a camera inside. Oh, of course. So it's got a camera inside of course so it's looking at your face and doing like a representation of it but it doesn't have the rest of your body so it just so it creates this like fuzzy ghost like version of you that looks so much worse than you on that jacked body yeah it should just be you on the jacked body for everyone do you think that they let you choose what your body is every single, like, do you get a choice? You get a choice. I want a white guy's body.

No one else gets a choice, but you get a choice. Experience white privilege through Apple Vision Pro. Oh, man. Now I'm buying. Tim Cook, sign me up. Sold. Yeah. Eyes are closed.

There's too much teeth. I want to make a review. Come help me. All right. much teeth. I want to make a review. Come help me. All right. Sounds good. Oh, whoa. All right. If you want like a normal review of this thing, I can't recommend enough to go watch Marques Brownlee. His is fantastic. Shout out Marques Brownlee. I have been watching his videos about this,

but he is a tech reviewer who's giving a very straight ahead capability thing in like traffic free. Yeah, he's in his studio talking about it. He's doing his job. They're enjoyable videos and it's interesting. But he's so funny because he knows he's like a great improv actor, right? Because a great improv actor is going to set up his scene partner for a good joke. So Marquez posted that, like what the ghost looks like. And Marquez's post is like, just so you know, this is what it looks like.

End of post. And he knows what people are going to do with that but he's like let me provide you the thing to quote tweet yeah so i'm a doctor and you're walking in you're a hypochondriac this is a different like i kind of have a different take on this and different questions and that's what this is but marquez is really good what is this thing that I'm holding get out of the road man literally

carrying a TV just holding it up as you walk around you can't look at an iPad while you walk in the room people get mad at you I like get a neck mount for like

oh my god what are those like they used to I used to actually have a baseball cap where you could suspend an iPhone it was like it had like a have a baseball cap where you could suspend an iPhone. It was like,

it had like a really long bill and like you could put an iPhone at the very end of it. Was it doing this? Like, like, uh, what are they called? Angler fish?

Yeah. It's like a reverse, uh, gimbal. I mean, it kind of is an angler fish except where you're trying to catch is someone mugging you. That sounds like something you. It's a thief.

That sounds like something you get for, like, a dad. For, like, Father's Day. It was my dad's. Oh, okay. I get from him. Hell yeah. It's like the equivalent of, like, two beer cans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's got everything. Two beer cans. The little watcher on the front. A pair of aviators behind it. It's got a cooling system. Oh, my gosh. Yes, it's like... You a cooling system. Oh my gosh. You turn to Bane with a beard.

Thanks for the present. Merry Christmas. This is the future of society. I can see so clearly now. I died on my boost board. This is the best way to watch Tinnit. Still can't understand anything they're saying. It's quite dark. What is the best way to watch Tinit. Still can't understand anything they're saying. It's quite dark.

What is the deal? I mean, is it artificially darkening the surroundings? Because it looks like day to night, you know? I think it is. I want to say it does. I fear that that's happening, yeah. Was he smoking drunk? How do you find it? I had it for like an hour.

Yeah, okay. Casey's had it for an hour and he's walking in boosted boarding down the busy streets of New York City. That's crazy, dude. There's something so elegant about the fact that he's doing, non-consumer available, like, accessible tech on a Boost board, which was at one point also there. Oh, and now Boost board, the company, like, went under. And so you can't get them anymore. Oh, really? Yeah.

Oh, my God. Casey bought all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Get a random pile of bricks, an old toilet. I found the restroom. And a bunch of random wooden poles. There's more poles?

Dude, I've always wanted to watch a Mr. Beast video while I wait for the train, but I've never been able to do it before because I didn't have the technology. Oh, thank God they evolved. Yeah. I don't want to. Yeah, wait. What is the audio situation? Is it like it's playing?

It's like bone conductive, I think, or whatever. Yeah, I mean, the Oculus is like. so can people kind of hear it though like if you're sitting next to someone it's mr beast and today can you imagine somebody just listening to a mr beast video and they can't even on the subway yeah i mean uh actually can't imagine that it's happened multiple times me i mean there's like a to be fair if he was on um one of those extremely elegantly quiet tokyo subways then you could hear them and it's like a big faux pas i can tell you on a london or new york subway people are watching one piece out loud at full volume i'm amazed he can hear it yeah for real

well later in this video we're going to a hundred like pause this is like the that meme they don't know I'm watching they don't know I spent $3,500 yeah they don't know I'm looking at the

someone has one billion dollar yacht versus one million dollar yacht $500 yeah, they don't know I'm looking at the $1,000,000 I'm imagining getting arrested while being like you're wearing this I have one more minute, please please please trying to remove them. Yeah Works you kill them with the app menu. Yeah, it's augmented you're like I'm holding a virtual Trying to remove them? Yeah. Trying to puzzle a cop away? It works. You kill them with the app menu. Yeah, it's augmented. You're like, I'm holding a virtual gun.

Insane. They've got to wear the VR headsets, or they've got to wear the headsets so that they can see your VR weaponry. You're using the beat saber to kill them. Yeah. I mean, that's like, I guess, I mean, the refresh rate just has to be amazing, right?

Like if you're walking around. I've heard the display is really good. I've heard the display is like really impressive. I should hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just in terms of like, it is $3,500 one.

And so no one, so it better be, but they haven't, like no one's put this many like high quality like instruments into a thing that you strapped to your base before if you contrast this against lasik this is more expensive than eyes that's really dark oh my gosh yeah it's a black mirror episode but like what isn't these days are you a are you a v osman i do have an o Oculus and I only play Beat Saber on it. That's a great job. But because I'm blind,

I can't really like fully immerse myself in the virtual reality thing. Like how does that factor in? Yeah, so they have, you can put in your prescription. And it adjusts? And they give you an insert that like is your prescription for it wow does it work when you have an astigmatism uh i think so and it it's

with camp and they won't it's like is it zeiss glass like it's like really high quality whoa glass that is genius yeah presumably for a premium, probably. Yeah. It's another $3600. Yeah, it's like crazy. It's expensive. It's Ray-Ban. Yeah. Something happened today that was completely unexpected. And that's something I don't think anyone else has really touched on.

None of the reviews I've seen or read, none of them really put to words what I experienced. With all due respect, that's because it just came out. And we don't have enough lived experience. Sorry, I don't want to spend $3,000 on Apple Vision Pro immediately. Plus an installed LASIK shield. The barrier for entry is so incredibly high for one of these things. I mean, the battery life needs to be incredible, right it's it has that cord to connect it to like an extra yeah because the battery is not good really so like everyone has the uh cord hanging in case he had it and then has like oh

there's a battery pack too that comes with it i think wow yeah i don't think it even turns on without the battery pack oh yeah because a lot of them have a battery pack on the back strap yeah that's right it has like a proprietary like magsafe type connector like a circular little magsafe thing and then it connects to this battery there is something that is that is so dystopian think about like magsafe on person now like you have to yeah it's the matrix like you're literally like jacking in it literally is the only reason it's not like that ox cord that they put in the back of their head in the matrix is because they can't yeah there's nothing to do with like the ethics or the logic it is like this is between this and neural link or whatever after a couple of hours of running around the streets

of new york as in not in a controlled environment, my brain sort of clicked, and it just forgot that I was looking through cameras and screens. Part of this, I would guess, is because Casey Neistat is already used to New Yorkers looking at him. Yes, yes. Because he is a well-known New Yorker.

The number of people being annoyed by my boosted board didn't change at all. board didn't change at all. It didn't change at all. It's still everyone. I fist bumped just as many people as normal. In fact, maybe more. Oh my God. I still interrupted a bunch of people's vacation. And that is where this, this, that's where the, that profound moment came from and what occurred to me as i was sitting there in times square on a stone

i can't i always fell into the camera dude how embarrassing oh my god if it wasn't the it's you what it is? It's the slack jawed like What? Psycho. The Black Mirror version of this is unchanged except for he's also drooling. Yeah. I was just thinking with all those battery packs

attached, can I please have like a hazmat layer between me and the battery going into my neural stem please? can we yeah hang on gotta turn on my eyes just like thx sound please just radiating the back of your head for six hours a day oh my god strangers all around me the real world moving all around is he describing reality yeah there's a bunch of people looking at you. It's like strangers were walking around me.

It was like a really high definition video game. The graphics on these models. It honestly sounds like that exactly what we talked about. Casey Neistat having just as many of these people staring at him as normal. He's like actually like people looked at me. And he clues into it for the very first time. It's just because he has a focus function. It pulls their face really close.

Oh my God. Annoyed person detected. Cringe. Dude, this would be great for if you're naturally, I'm naturally an eye contact avoider. So I could like look at people in the eyes and they would have no idea. Like, yeah, yeah. Have that setting on where your eyes are visible at the front. On the front of it.

Hate that. That's part of it, right? You can have the, obviously not always because his bathroom wasn't doing that, but you can have your eyes represented on the front of the screen. Can you actually? I don't know. I mean, maybe I've seen something like that. Presumably it's whatever's recording.

Yeah. That's recording. Yeah. That's crazy. They must be bigger, right? That'd be so funny. Your little battle angel, Lolita eyes. And over here I had my Apple TV and then all of my apps and they're floating in Times Square in the middle of New York City.

They're floating there and I'm actually there. And there's actual humans around me and in that moment isn't that just watching mr beast video on an iphone dude like he's just on mushrooms the exact this is like half the mushroom trips i've ever had if you're with someone they're like we're both here we're here but you're there but also? Why do they have both words? It's like if we didn't have iPhones and then you showed someone an iPhone. It was like, I had the power of a computer in my hand. Give a small Victorian child Apple Vision Pro and see what happens.

Oh, no. He explodes. He explodes. Inside the headset, he's watching that video of the train approaching the screen. Honestly, a small Victorian child would be the target audience for a MrBeast video. They couldn't wear it and weigh their head down. We exploded a big train. I'm in.

All right, I'm in. This is it. This is the future of computing that everyone's been promising for like the last 15 years. This is something that let me truly peek into where all of this is going. As a person involved with technology for the majority of my life and career, this has been said so many times about so many products. And I could just list off a few of the things that this has been said about uh that have failed um one was the future of social networking was going to be google plus i wait what happened i remember using google

plus and posting this is like facebook but better i posted that like when i was in very reminiscent of something called threads yeah mark my words and then yeah google google glass it's like i still think this i still think vr are ahead of their time because the hardware is one prohibitively expensive two prohibitively large and like i just can't imagine that like the like people are gonna if anything this is gonna create if this catches on it creates a two-class system right like which we already have by the way we are like evolutionarily developed to to be tactile like feeling a con you could make uh hand gestures say like uh play on the ps5 you can make hand gestures an implemented part of the program. It could be seamless. It would work perfectly.

And people would default to controller, not just for price reasons, but also it's frustrating because we like feedback. That's why we have a sense of touch. Well, it's like the motion sickness thing that happens with VR. Your brain is just not conditioned. I wonder what that's going to be

like with this. Yeah. I guess like if the frame rate and the whatever is good enough. It's kind of like, you know, if you have, if you play like an FPS and you have a crosshair in the center, it helps some people with that.

Yes. To like center your graph. Yeah. I think it's the app store. As someone who did that, I did that week in the metaverse video when I did get motion sick, like very early on. I do think this would be better because your brain can like,

you have like this spatial reality is still like roughly one-to-one or at least comparable to the real life spatial things. Where in VR, you don't have any of that. And you're running at like some sort of lower frame rate. Yeah. And you're in like PS2 graphics or whatever. I cannot wait to see how they implement like logic Pro X into this thing. And it being the most clump, like a nightmare, like trying to keep track of the timeline.

Yeah. There's no way. There's no way. You're like watching someone and they're just like. You get like an AR drum kit or something that'd be insane oh that's the thing right every single time

that they would even demo early iPhones early touchscreens they would be like you can learn to play the piano right and it's like well no

but only if I'm staring directly at it at all times because your fingers need to feel like the grooves and the separation between the keys. And it's going to get different sizes as you move your head around. It's okay for things to not be everything. Yeah, I'm a technology optimist, even though I'm very cynical and critical of the powers that be

in the technology space especially now but i think things like this just move i think they're all they're glorified research project projects like that's how i felt about google glass it's like okay cool we put a an android phone next to your eye so you had a little heads-up display and this is like honestly just seems like a fancier version of that i'm ready to be proven wrong but i mean the glasses element is more i mean anything lighter it's always going to be appealing but there's something about that because a it's less noticeable and b it is a two second disengagement yeah exactly and even that had people get like randomly attacked and denied entry from a lot of establishments. So this is going to frame one.

It's going to be like that, I'm sure. Oh, dude, wearing like two to three months of rent on your face and just being like, anyone like to grab it? Rob me, rob me. Do you ever, when you're like producing, do you feel like you are sometimes hesitant to like the it tech or like a new piece of hardware or like? I mean, I'm honestly just, I'm just such a creature of habits. Like I, when they took away all the ports on a laptop, I was like, what do I do? Everyone was like that in your defense. And then even Apple brings it back. It's like, I think so.

They're like, oh, we went too far. Yes. So even stuff with like this, I'm just like, this is like a very early installment of something that they will have to continuously work on and streamline if this is going to be something that's applied at all but like i don't know with music like i barely know how to turn on a metronome and logic pro that's i can't i don't know how to do that so like learning how to natively interact with something new sounds so intimidating. Press K. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Someone needs to be in this position.

I write a lot of songs where I apologize with like cute instruments. I play on, I like have one of those like single snares and I just play, I go like, Oopsie daisy, hit a kid with my car. Oh yeah. You got to apologize for that. My bad, psych. Toxic gossip trains complaining about me driving into that parade.

All right, let's look at the... So going back to the post about Vision Pro, I'm going to call bait on most of these. For sure. But let's poke into some. Yeah, I hate this world we now have to live in where we have to screen it. Because some people are just weird. They are really weird.

People will do barefoot bullshit. Oh, my God. Our legend. Crime, no? There's a few things here that's wrong. Not the sad piano music. Well, that's definitely a crime. Put your pants on the wheel.

He's watching Mr. Beast. Yeah, it's the exact size and shape. He got pulled over. His date of death. What are the oh wait so cap yeah i think they just pulled up to like some cop cars i don't like uh whenever i see stuff like this i'm like no black person ever in a million no would it would tempt that i do think that there's some like i one uh the tesla auto drive stuff does what i thought was eye tracking

i don't know what it does exactly but it does like make you like keep your eye on the road and i don't know how to text that so um and then and then i think that oh yeah the vision pro stuff doesn't work when you're moving but i guess if you're in a car it doesn't detect that you're moving but i feel like it's only a matter of time because uh if pokemon go can detect that you're in a car then the vision pro will be able to do that but i i also just think it's that's just for the bait though i mean the thing is is like bait or no bait unethical product thing to make yep like it's just but you're it's your life do you know what i mean it's like i get it if you are walking through time square and you're

getting in people's way or whatever or you're even like maybe being a little hazardous. But when, it'd be like if Casey took his boosted board onto the freeway and was like, oh, where my Apple Pro, I'll make it so the Mr. Beast video is the exact shape and proportion of my windscreen. It's interesting. It's like, I can't imagine being that type to like not fear for your life at all. Or be embarrassed. It is like very much like

white man moment like shameless yeah that's very cool um not a phone inside are they complaining or saying that's better yeah they're saying hey we got we put our phones down hey can you why are you watching this concert through your phone? Be there in the moment. Instead, they're just wearing, you know, ski goggles. That's cool. No. The Dyson air purifier that like doesn't. The Dyson headphone air purifier. Oh, is that what that is?

That's what that is, yeah. I remember seeing a big thread about how this is a very bad device, this Dyson air purifier thing. It's only a matter of time until Apple Vision Pro has some sort of thing where it's like the TV situation where you just get fed ads like that's gonna be those old pc viruses where like a dancing woman would come up from the bottom bonsai buddy it's like the purple monkey is just like playing around a little clippy um the cyber truck one is funny can we look at that one

this one's funny to me because in order to do this bit you have to own the cyber truck oh my lord dude it is caters to such a specific group of people it's so i get that there's some value like like people some people feel like externally they're impressive like some people like that's right a cyber truck but for me doing this is the equivalent of like walking into a starbucks and shitting yourself and being like pretty cool huh guys yeah jealous it's like they're making a joke i'm almost certain but they don't know what joke they're making yeah wouldn't it be weird if i did something because i think here again they are um they are filming this for the brief window of time before the tesla beeps at you to keep your hands on the wheel oh yeah um

which is why in that other one they uh they had their hand on the wheel it's gonna get his little weird eyes at the front yeah when do people do that i feel like normally i never seem to see it in any of these videos the little eyes projected on the front i guess a lot of this stuff is doesn't show up well on camera so i'm not sure like if you're actually looking at something like a virtual screen in the headset it'll just show this like blued version of it And so the eyes will only show if you're actually looking at just your surroundings. Oh. But it is semi-visible. It's shame, though.

Like, what's the shame? You know what I mean? I think that, yeah. I'm embarrassed if I had, like, my laptop out. See, that's the thing. I think it just appeals to people who are shameless. The dream. Yeah.

All these people are white whoa geez so um fucking you know the guy um jacob that's we don't see color here on tabloids uh i figured i got that vibe i don't see color but i am racist we're colorblind here caught him again in at washington square park well don't do that Don't keep filming this man. I followed him all day. What's going on, guys? I stalked a guy living his life. Yeah, 24 hours in another man's life. Day in the life of this guy that I found on the subway.

What's going on, guys? I would describe the smell of his hair as kind of chestnutty and nutmeggy. He stopped to get lunch at a sandwich. I followed him in. I had a hoagie roll. It was pretty good. Here he is, by the way, from across the hall.

Can't see me because he was watching 100 Boys and 100 Girls in a circle by Mr. Beast. Now that we've gotten to the dark side of technology and social media,

I think that's a good place to leave it. We've all impregnated ourselves with a feeling of dark disdain. Speak for yourself. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm on the pill. I don't know.

I don't feel sadness or dread. Are you feeling pregnant? I'm feeling. Okay, that word can be used for things other than human pregnancy. Oh, I forgot about that. Like a pregnant pause. That's not about when you get pregnant and have to wait. That's when you're waiting.

Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. It's so fun to talk about the dystopic state of our world and technology. Yeah. Just really uplifting stuff for me to chew so fun to talk about the dystopic state of our world and technology yeah just really uplifting stuff for me to chew on for the rest of the day yeah

we were thinking maybe you could like write a song about it oh yeah yeah maybe a song about us oh you know what

that's crazy because I actually made like a whole album based off of you guys specifically go ahead I'm sure that'll come out soon and people will love it

yeah people will love it go ahead sing it bring up the ukulele Jarvis and Johnson the toxic I'm sure that'll come out soon and people will love it. Yeah, people will love it. Go ahead. Sing it. Bring up the ukulele. Jarvis and Johnson, the toxic gossip train. Jarvis and Johnson is my law firm. Jarvis and Johnson.

Sorry. Oh, my God. It's all those J's. Jordan Jarvis. Jordan blah, blah, blah. Yeah, the law firm's called Jarvis Jarvis and Little Jordan. MXM Tune. Thank you so much for joining us today. Genuinely, thank you for having me.

You're always welcome back. Thank God. But you do need to bring a gift next time. I will. It's like a, give you like a, I don't know, nice watch. Vision Pro? Yes, actually. I bought the entire stock, so I'll bring it to you guys next time. What about one really big watch?

Yeah, I did. What about a watch that we can wear together like a broad enough strap it's a handcuff it's a single cuff okay what have you put handcuffs on us and sent us to jail i'll work on it that's all the content for right here right now but we will be heading over to our exclusive patreon only podcast Sad Boys Nights where we're going to watch those people on TikTok who are walking around barefoot and cut the bottom of their shoes out of their feet.

And there she is. It's me, everyone. I am a white woman from Ohio. Hell yeah, dude. Maya will be there too. Maya, thank you for joining us. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase.

We love you. And we're sorry. Boom. A lot of people are worried about how dirty our feet are getting. And if we're going to catch diseases from doing this. Through the puddle is good. Through the puddle. You nasty.

We take sanitation of our feet very seriously. Is she altering the door with her foot? We take sanitation of our feet very seriously. Is she opening the door with her foot? We take sanitation of our feet very seriously. No, that's very funny. Go to rich for me.