Sardonicast - Sardonicast #02: Black Panther, Hausu, Rotten Tomatoes

Episode Date: February 28, 2018

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sardonicast Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/sardonicast Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sardonicast Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/9vG73zS Ralph's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/ralphthemoviemaker Alex's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/IHEOfficial Adam's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/YourMovieSucksDOTorg Alex's Twitter: https://twitter.com/IHE_OFFICIAL Ralph's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ralphsepe Adam's Twitter: https://twitter.com/2gay2lift Adam's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/YMS Ralph's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ralphthemoviemaker Intro music by: https://www.youtube.com/user/anUnkindnessvideo Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 10:00 - Black Panther & Rotten Tomatoes 47:00 - Hausu [SPOILERS] 1:14:12 - Q&A 1:14:50 - Favorite Musical Score? 1:30:10 - Any lesser known youtubers you'd recommend? 1:33:30 - Which is your favorite Star Wars film? 1:44:10 - Can Video Games be Art? 1:52:20 - What are your favorite T.V. Shows? Reccomended Youtube Channels: Magnus Prophecy: https://goo.gl/wckXSM Lord Bung: https://goo.gl/TdZhFt Hbomberguy: https://goo.gl/giWTmN Noah Caldwell-Gervais: https://goo.gl/cqR3bZ YAMIKEN HORI: https://goo.gl/DPvnxh Reddit post about Hausu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sardonicast/comments/7ycwyo/background_on_%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A6%E3%82%B9_house_1977_before_the_next/ Next Week's Film Recommendation is This Is England (2006)

Now we're never, I guess. What's happening for him? Does anybody remember that guy, Ray William Johnson? Oh, that's what it was. It kind of sounded familiar. Great channel, classic. Yeah, the best. We're Sardonicast.

I'm Adam from Your Movie Sucks. Who's with me? Nobody. Ralph, come on. You go next. I was being silent so you could go. We should have coordinated this. We did.

We didn't really. I'm Ralph the movie maker. I'm Ralph the movie maker. Hello. YouTube.com slash Ralph the movie maker. Now you go, you fuckhead. And I'm Alex from I hate everything. Do you, um... Fuck you, Ralph.

Do you have... Alex, do you ever find it odd that there's a YouTuber named I'm Alex? When you say, I'm Alex. Do you feel like you're kind of stealing that? No, because I was Alex first. Yeah, but you weren't I'm Alex. Well... Now you can just say me name Alex.

Me, Alex. Yeah. The point is we're not good at starting these things. Yeah. Anyway, especially today, because I'm hungover as shit. I'm terribly hungover. And, you know, I thought we had things planned out, you know. Yeah, Ralph.

I don't... I can explain my end. Go, Ralph. Okay, so we usually record these things on the Tuesday before we post them. And today is President's Day, which is a Monday. And all the classes I had on Monday are now moved to Tuesday, which is like usual recording time. So I text everyone 3 o'clock in the morning when I realize this. And I'm like halfway high.

Halfway high. Yo, guys, we got to record tomorrow. Is that cool with you? Whoops. And Alex is like, what? I wasn't the angry one. It was out of... Hey, whoa.

Don't interpret anger from my text. You know? There's so much left up. And you said, oh, geez. Well, I was shit-faced. She's like, I got some fucking slate. That's not anger. That's despair.

That was just sadness. And I'm pretty sure I didn't say fuck. I said, fuck, I said fug-gut with several Gs in a row. Just like 12 G's. Let me look up this Twitter comment. So you start. All right. So, I mean, I, every Sunday I do my Twitch stream and I play video games and I usually get drunk.

I don't usually stay up as late as I did. last night. I wound up, I started playing Pokemon Blue for the stream and it's such a nostalgic game for me. It is so close to my heart. It's the first game that I've ever owned straight out of my childhood. And I was having so much fucking fun playing the game. And then I didn't even realize it until I noticed the sun was out. I was like, wait a minute. It's seven in the morning. And then I'm about to go to bed. And I look at at my phone. I'm like, uh-oh. We can't really

record any other day other than in, you know, five, six hours from now I'm reading this. So I chugged, uh, I chugged some powerades. I, uh, microwaved two bowls of ramen and just scarfed it all down.

And now I'm here. And... Jesus. How fuck is your sleep schedule? Um... Let's not get into that. It sounds like this is totally... I'm glad that I broke...

I'm glad that I didn't sleep in today because that means that it'll probably be easier to fall asleep tonight. So... That's true. We're good. Yeah, this is... Technically, that's good.

Episode two, starting off with a bang. On a flying start. Yeah. Yeah, we're a mess. So if it sounds like... If it sounds like somebody's dying in my room, it's probably me. You just hear, like, hacking...

Hacking noises like... Yeah, that's just what I'm going through. Anyway, what's on the agenda today, everybody. Well, I know it's on the gay agenda, but let's not talk about that. What we should talk about is episode one of the previous podcasts. We're going to get so fucking meta that we're just basically going to be providing commentary on our commentary. How do you think episode one went? We're going to do this every week.

Yeah. We're just going to review the previous episode. That's all we're going to talk about. You know what? For the first episode, I think we did really good. I think the main complaints were Adam spoke too much, Alex spoke too little, and I'm annoying. Those were the three.

But I think for the most part, we jelled pretty well, I got to say. I think we do better than most podcasts that have been on for a couple years, dare I say. Yeah, I've got to say the first episode, in my opinion, was pretty good, pretty stellar, you know, tip-top stuff. What would you rate it out of ten? Uh-oh. An A-plus. An A-plus.

Wow, you couldn't even go with the number rating. Wow. Bastard. I'm going to die on this hill. I'm sorry. Go ahead. What did you think, Adam? Well, first of all, I just want to address you using the word, did you just use the word jelling?

We were jellin. We jelled pretty well. That just reminded me of that old ad campaign. for like Dr. Scholes gels. They had all these people going, you jelling, I'm jelling. One of those fucking

meme ad campaigns. What are you on about? You goddamn Canadian. 90s kids will remember this. Okay. 90s Canadian kids. Yeah, that's not important. Yeah, I think episode went

pretty well. I agree that I talk too much, which is why even before we published anything, I cut out. like an hour of the episode, as you can see in the bonus episode, because it was literally just me talking. And part of that is due to just me being, you know, opinionated on everything. And part of that is also due to the fact that we were talking about Oscar movies,

and I saw the vast majority of them. And Alex barely saw. Yeah, we couldn't add anything to the conversation. I tried to, I tried to. Everything you said mostly Adam is exactly what I thought. And Alex hadn't seen most of them. He saw Boss Baby, of course. but,

fuck you. You know, the good ones we could barely talk about. Yeah, I saw a nice comment that said the podcast would be great if you didn't have that. I hate everything going on there. Oh, yeah, there were quite a few of those.

Like, can someone make a fan edit of cutting out Alex or cutting out Ralph or, you know, like a bunch of shit like that? I have a correction to make about episode one. I said something that was wrong and it's very serious.

I do. I confused the word inhibit with exhibit. And so when I said that our channels, I said our channels inhibit sardonicism when I meant to say that our channels exhibit sardonicism, which so I basically said the opposite. It was like only one person noticed it, but I found that comment.

I was like, oh my God. I did fuck up the English language, right? No one noticed it until you said it. Yeah. Our audience are fucking like eight-year-olds. No, no. I think it was clear what I was trying to say that nobody noticed. And also, I just, I don't want to accidentally give people wrong definitions of words.

I think that language is very important. So I just don't want somebody who's not that fluent in the English language to, you know, go up to their friends and be like, yeah, we totally inhibit this. And then get laughed at. true. By all of their bullies who are like, yo, dude. Could you imagine being bullied over improper usage of the English language like that? Could you imagine? I got bullied all the time because of that. Oh. Well, it wasn't because of my lux or my weight. It was like I used words wrong. I think I did the exact same thing you did. I used Exhibit instead of Inhibit and the kids just bullied me. X to the Z? X going give it to you? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Go and deliver it to you.

This is nothing what we're discussing right now. Yeah, this is, I mean, but that's fine. This is a minor thing. One person noticed this. One. I was being a bit sarcastic when I said it was a super serious thing. You know when you make a mistake, and you've already posted a video, and it's really too late by then, like a spelling mistake or just something really minor,

and it's like, oh, no. You know what? There's obviously mistakes in my videos that I'm embarrassed about here and there. Yeah. But I don't think I've ever made a spelling mistake. I think I'm very proud of myself for not spelling anything incorrectly in my business. I don't think I've ever done that. Because I look,

I make sure and I look over it every single time, because I expect myself to make a spelling mistake, and sometimes I do, but I catch it in the editing process while I'm still going over it. Someone's totally going to find one. Reddit, get on it. Watch all my videos. Everybody watch all my videos right now.

Look for spelling mistakes. I make mistakes. I think every video is spelling error. Sometimes I read things just wrong. I kind of made a thing out of it where I just kind of don't give a fuck anymore. And if I'm wrong, I just, there's some commenter says something and everyone likes it. I go, okay, so there's your correction. I don't really care anymore.

It's okay to make mistakes every now and again. It is. It's the best way to live. Especially every video. When you're a critic and you bring up points and you're just not correct, I do that all the time. Yeah. I don't care. All the time.

Every one of your videos, right? Mm-hmm. Especially that Black Panther review. Speaking of, if you'd like to get into it, I'd like to discuss some of the BS. First of all, Adam and I have posted our reviews on Black Panther. We got trending, right? Yeah, we both got trending. I think you got number seven and I got six or you got six and I got seven, some shit like that.

We're taking over. Ironically in the UK. Yeah, we're taking over Britain, dude. Yeah, her monopoly. And, God, what was I going to say? Basically, we both thought it was a five out of ten. and everyone thinks, you know, we hated it or... Well...

I think we both agree. First of all, it's not your kind of movie from what I heard. Obviously. From what I know about you. It's my kind of movie. I thought it was okay. We both gave it a five. But I am curious as to what a little Britbong over here thinks.

It's so cool. I mean that. No, I like it. I like the... I haven't seen a Marvel movie in the cinemas since... Oh, I thought that was the end of your sentence. No, no. Since Civil War, I've been so disinterested. But just the zeitgeist around this movie made me want to hop on down and go see it.

And you know what? I was bored out of my mind and I wish I didn't go and see it. You know, I happily would have just watched it at home. Wow. Where I could have paused it. Good on you for not seeing Marvel movies in theaters as often. Because I don't know. It's really oversaturated.

Yeah, I guess. But like, it's cool people of finding something to enjoy in it. But personally, I just found it to be this year's Wonder Woman in terms of superhero movies. Out of everything I am personally looking for out of a superhero movie, I got none of the things that I'm after, you know, be it amazing action or fun character moments and a somewhat interesting story, I just didn't get any of it. I was so disinterested and we'll get into it, I'm sure, more detail. But yeah, would you say you liked it less than us or would you say it's about average like I mean if I was trying to be objective

I'd say I'm pretty much on the same page, but some of the things like when I think about it I just really didn't enjoy the movie like I don't want to lie and say Yeah, it was great. I agree with everyone else, but I just didn't I was bored, you know I there was a certain point where I was like I am so disinterested. I kind of want to leave if I if I was watching this at home the first time, I probably would have turned it off because I was so, so bored. Yeah, like, I just, I don't know, it just didn't work for me at all. Is, um, is, I guess, is this a spoiler discussion right now? This can be. Um, well, not, not quite yet.

Is there anything that we, is there anything that, uh, you want to say that is spoilery? Because I can pretty much, you know, describe all my criticisms without really spoiling the film. I don't know if you guys have kind of spoiler. Yeah, I think I'm the same. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. No, no spoilers here, folks. We're just going to talk about what. we didn't like but yeah spoilers unless you consider you know the line what are those to be a spoiler that that's in the movie i think that was the moment by the way that i just wanted to leave that's pretty early on i was picturing you watching that yeah and just going there's no like that's not i confused it with the damn daniel thing i thought that was the same meme it's basically the same name basically it's pointing at someone's shoes yeah the meme but i would say i'm more of a

fan of Marvel than you two, you know, and I've seen all of these movies. I've seen them all. No, you haven't. You said last when you saw a civil war? No, I didn't go to the cinema to see them. Oh, okay, okay. I've still seen them all. I just wanted to wait until I could watch it in the comfort mind home. Ralph, a cinema is the British word for a movie theater. I don't know. Oh, okay. The cinema. I go to the theater. That's what he meant. I don't know what you thought he was saying. Yeah. But I thought it was average, if not less than average, considering what it is, even considering what it is.

As someone who likes these movies, I still thought, eh. You know, the only reason I really wanted to see it was because, wow, like, people are loving this film. This is getting a lot of praise. I'm thinking, oh, oh, great, I'm going to go see a refreshing superhero movie that's going to show me something new, and I wasn't showing anything new. I was showing a Marvel movie. Yeah, that's how I felt with Wonder Woman. And they saw it and I'm like, wow, DC finally, they finally did it. And no, they didn't.

The problem is people were loving it before it was even released. Yeah. That's, I mean, people decided they would love it before they've even seen it. Like, people were trashing that one guy who broke the 100% rotten tomato score before the movie was even out. It's like, what if the movie is not absolutely flawless, you know? Have you considered that? Was it? Armand White.

No, actually, that was the biggest surprise is that. that it wasn't Armand White. The biggest surprise for me was that I read Armand White's review, out of curiosity, and I kind of agree with him on certain things. Oh. I think there were some people calling it Shakespearean and politically, like, amazing, or, like, had a profound message about politics, and I didn't agree with either of those things.

I thought the characters were so simplistic and dumb. There was the kid from Get Out. What was his name? I forgot the actor's name. Well, the lead. The lead actor. Caluia? Daniel Caluia or whatever the name is? Who I think is good. I think he was good in the movie, but his character was so like,

he was kind of pointless. Yeah, I've been friends with Black Panther for so long, but he's going to find Andy Circus for me, right? And bring him back. Yeah, you kind of just seem thrown in there. Exactly. Things don't really work out. And then he goes, Black Panther, I hate you now. And it's like, wow, what a, what a simplistic character? You just throw away all that history that this character could have had over one thing that hardly even matters. and that's how I felt about everybody.

I mean, I don't know if you'd consider that a spoiler, but... I don't even know what I would consider a spoiler for this movie. I don't even remember... Yeah, because everything's so predictable. What is there to even spoil? I mean, okay. If anybody... I guess I'm going to get a little spoilery,

but I don't even consider this to be a spoiler. Like, I think I should be allowed to talk about how they pretend the main character dies for like 20 minutes. That was the worst. Okay, well, I know he's going to be in the next Avengers, right? He's in the trailer. He's in the trailer for the next one. There's nobody who seriously thought, oh, no, he's dead.

You can't spoil that he's not dead. And it's funny just how they try to play it that way, completely unironically. They're like, yes, he's seriously dead in the film. Like, the tone is pretending that. But it's like, I'm not stupid. Like, how stupid do you think people are? Yeah.

That's dumb. But the worst part is he's gone from the movie for 20 minutes. Yeah. And it's like, I came here. I came to this movie to see him, not these boring, side characters. Yeah, this is a character who really needs development, you know? We need to learn about him.

He hardly struggles in the movie. Like, I was picturing a Dark Night Rises kind of thing where he fails and he has to, you know, train harder and rise up and heal himself. But instead, we don't see any of that. He's just like lying in a ditch somewhere and they give him some cocaine and he's better. You know, I was getting flashbacks to Man of Steel at points. Because, you know, in the action scenes in that movie, where there's just two invincible people just like punching each other and there's like no tension or anything

and the whole like for the whole final like action sequence i was just like where is the tension they're both just two in ultimate you know superpowered guys that just can't take damage really i was just so uninvested i can't believe i forgot to mention this in my video they had those hologram things that were made out of sand yeah that was so that was so yeah that was so stupid it was stupid and man of steel, they would like, these holograms would come up of people while you're talking to them and they're like made out of sand and it looks so dumb. And it's like, why not just have like them, you don't even remember that? Like, why don't you just voice communicate with them? It looks, it looks better. It doesn't look as stupid. You save money. I don't even, I don't even,

these studios. I don't remember. I honestly don't remember. There's so much of that movie that I just felt kind of zoned out for it. I saw it two days ago and I can barely remember anything about it. Do you remember the CGI rhino? Yes, I very much do remember that. It was a big boy. Because I thought it was so stupid. Oh, my God. It was such a big boy.

No, but like, if you're going into one of these films that has hundreds of millions of dollar budget, you're expecting at the very least, the top, the best kind of special effects, you know? And I was so disappointed by visually how this film looked. Like, it makes me question why these Marvel films just aren't animated, because they have to make everything. thing try and look, you know, photorealistic, but they can never quite achieve it unless it's Ironman who's made out a metal, which is a lot easier to... Like, I like the production design of it in terms of the colors and everything. I like it in theory, but in practice. In theory, exactly. That's how I felt about everything in terms of every element of it.

Yeah. Like, in theory, I should like this, but they spend no time developing any of it, including the effects, which they barely, they did like one render pass through on it. Yeah. I think you said in your video, it looked like a PS2 game towards the end. It reminded me a Cloverfield paradigm. Excuse me. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I had to release a demon. Say what you want about other Marvel movies,

but at the very least, a lot of them have some really fun, creative action sequences. I think of Iron Man. Sometimes. The way his suit is utilized for, like, creative action scenes. Yeah.

I was hoping for that kind of thing with Black Panther. Yeah, it depends on the movie, but the action's usually exciting. Ant-Man, that's the only good thing about it, is the action. And same thing with Dr. Strange. I was kind of...

I mean, I know nothing about the character. I'm not like a comic book nerd, right? I mean, either. But I was kind of hoping for some, you know, some cat-like action sequences sort of thing. Not like Catwoman, obviously a masterpiece. But, you know, something... I don't know, he didn't really do much

that was related to his superhero persona in terms of fighting in the action sequences. It was kind of like he might as well just be wearing any kind of costume. He didn't really do anything that justified him being a panther. Exactly. Well, they gave his suit like one kind of interesting concept and like power. And they set it up and then they just use it like two more times to do the exact same thing with no, you know, fun choreography or creativity.

Use your claws more. Yeah. I think the point is we all, we don't hate this movie. And I'm perfectly happy that other people enjoyed it. So I don't want to come across like that. Yeah, I think it's cool that, you know, it's what it represents is good. but I don't think the actual film itself is that great. Absolutely.

I'm just waiting for them to make a better movie with the same concept. Yeah. I think the fault comes with the script mostly. I think if it had a better story and better written characters, it would be a better movie. I don't want people to think that I'm trying to like take away their experience of this being, you know, a monumental moment for representation in, you know, film history. But to me, it's like, I don't know.

I kind of feel the way I would if Hillary Clinton was the first woman president, you know? Yeah, it's like... He's Canadian, keep in mind. Yeah, I'm Canadian. We've already had a female prime minister, by the way. I didn't even know that until I looked it up. But anyway, I just... Like Black Panther, it's another dumb, boring Marvel movie.

It's nothing special. And that's... I just... The hype surrounding... it and the insistence of its role in politics over what the quality of the actual film is, it just feels so manufactured by and perpetuated by these companies that are making money off of it. And that's why I'm just, you know, a little iffy on it. Yeah. Because it just, it seems like a money thing, which is, you know, Wonder Woman kind of had similar issues. Yeah.

In terms of like... Some people are treating it as if it's important, you know, and there are certain aspects are important, but it's totally ignoring the film. It's ascending the film into something that I would argue it perhaps isn't when you really try and look at it with a critical, like I. Yeah, especially if you're a critic, I feel like it's your responsibility to put that shit aside and just focus on the filmmaking itself. And, you know, I think whether the movie's good or bad is kind of irrelevant in some ways at this point. And it makes me, like, look at movies that got great reviews, like Moonlight or Mad Max Fury Road. I'm like, Did they think this was a great movie like I did, or were they just on board with the fact of what this movie represents?

Did they like the fact that it was like an all-female cast in Mad Max Free Road? Or did they like it because it's a great movie? And I don't even know anymore. That's a big issue. And you know what? Every critic that injects politics into their reviews of the film in a way that it supersedes the actual film itself, they are all verified on rut and tomatoes. I mean, they're considered to be worthwhile opinions and they affect the market. They affect people's expectations.

The voice. You mentioned, you mentioned Armand White. I've gone through a lot of his reviews just because he's a fascinating character. And it's, it's funny just to look at how against the grain he is when it comes to whether he liked the film or not. Like, he loves shitty Adam Sandler movies. He loves those. Yeah. But then anything that's universally loved that you think everybody would love, he just hates.

And so I didn't want to just leave it as a, I don't want to understand him or anything. I went and I read through a bunch of his reviews. And the impression that I get from him is that he very much puts politics into the reasoning for why he would enjoy a movie or not. and he seems to be fairly conservative. And so if anything doesn't align with his conservative beliefs in a film, he just is like, this is a bad movie. Like, I read his review for Dunkirk.

He was like, this sucks because it wasn't as patriotic as it should have been. Like, what? It was so strange. It was all the way to do that. You're talking about, you know, the film, right? Like, what do you have to say about the acting or the cinematography? Yeah. Like, what are you doing?

But I mean, politics do come and play a little bit with a movie because if a movie advocates fucking, I don't know, mass genocide or something, then you should talk about the politics of it, right? Well, it depends. I think you've got to draw the line somewhere. I mean, I'm not saying don't ever talk about the politics. Like, I talked about the politics in Black Panther, but it shouldn't make the difference between whether a film is good or not, you know? Technically well made or not. Yeah. If you disagree with the message in a film, it shouldn't make you be like, okay, therefore it was a.

poorly shot film with terrible acting or anything like that. You know, that's what I'm trying to judge and that's, I just get so confused. Like, what if, what if someone makes a movie where Nazis are like the protagonist and they're viewed as heroes? That would be very fascinating. I would love to see something like, but I would go like, what the, I mean, you, you jerk off Michael Hanneke all the time. And I saw this video of Michael Hankekeke.

I don't even know if I'm saying his name right. I think he, well, you say it in the way that people could search his name up after and I say it in a way that's still probably pronounced wrong, but people have no idea what I'm saying. We're trying, okay? We're trying Michael Hanneke. But he was talking about how Schindler's List was an offensive movie to him or something like that because it took the Holocaust and made entertainment out of it. I mean, obviously, it's not entertaining like a Marvel movie, but it is in some sense

cathartic entertainment, you know, because you are getting some kind of enjoyment out of watching the Holocaust. Obviously, you're not enjoying it in that way. I mean, yeah, I guess so. But that's more like, that, when we're talking about Schindler's list, like that's like an unintentional kind of way of viewing it. You know, like, that's not,

Stephen Spielberg never had those thoughts in his head when he made it. Oh, yeah. Mikhail Hanukkah is respectful. It's respectful. Is basically noting an unintended byproduct of the way it's presented essentially. He's my favorite director, obviously. And he has a lot of interesting comments on, you know, the responsibility of filmmakers,

which I don't know if I fully agree with him on, but it doesn't really affect how I view the films that he makes. And it's interesting for him to have that perspective, because you can see that it affects his work and, you know, how he shows violence. And, you know, he's always making very interesting metacomicon. commentaries on the audience members themselves, which I love. And so, I mean, I don't fully agree with him either on that. I don't fully agree with him.

It is an interesting thing to think about. I don't fully agree with him or disagree with him when he talks about, you know, the responsibility of filmmakers. I don't know if, I don't even know if I'm properly, uh, representing his argument. So I would, I would encourage everybody to look up some interviews of my favorite director. Yeah. Decide for yourself. Very interesting.

Very smart guy. You could only get, you know, his films from him. He's not making anything that could come from somebody else. And that's what I love about him. We kind of segued off of Black Panther. I just want to confirm that you guys don't have anything else. To say about it. Yeah.

I mean, Alex probably has a little more to say because, I mean, we have full reviews of Black Panther. Yeah. Is there anything you want to add Alex? What is there to say? It's another Marvel movie. Yeah. And like, it's another Marvel movie. It's a mind because it's very hard to talk about now without, you know, angering a large group of people who are really passionate about it.

And it's like, it's just made it difficult. But the way you guys say it, you guys are like, oh, it's another Marvel movie. I look at it as from a perspective of a guy who likes watching these movies and can pick out the good qualities of them. And as someone who likes Marvel movies, I just kind of think it's like, eh, whatever. And I'd rather watch Civil War or Winter Soldier or Iron Man. There are Marvel movies I like. I enjoyed Thor Ragnarok. I liked

what was the other one Guardians of the Galaxy 2 I like them a lot more there are qualities in that film or those films that I was looking for like at least on par kind of things

in Black Panther you know it's important it's not those are exceptions I like this kind of movie and as a kind of movie that I like I don't think it succeeds

entirely I think in some ways it does the ones the ones you mentioned are exceptions to the role like I mean this is this was just the average Marvel movie that people just overhyped for no reason.

It's more of a Thor, too, or Thor or Ant Man. Yeah. To me, my biggest problem was kind of the lack of personality it had. Like, the ones I just mentioned, the writers and the directors of those films really infused a noticeable kind of personality into them. And I just didn't really get that from Black Panther. I, you know?

Yeah, I mean, again, that's, it's an exception for you to even tell that it's directed by somebody and not a machine. I know, yeah. It's like, it's, that's nice to see. It's a fucking factory movie. It's what, it's what Hutterowski was talking about in the Holy Mountain, you know. Where they paint the butts? Yeah.

Are you saying Black Panther is like just painted on a butt? That's, I mean, it's the concept of like a factory art where it's, it's not about creating something personal, but it's something that comes out of an assembly line essentially. Someone please make a gif of like someone painting the black Panther logo on someone's butt from the Holy Mountain. And then sitting on that the canvas. If we're done talking about the Black Panther, we did kind of segue into Rotten Tomatoes, which is something that at the end of episode one, I said we would probably talk about in this episode. So we kind of delved into that with talking about Armand White. What else do you have to say about Rotten Tomatoes?

What value do you guys kind of assign to rotten tomatoes? I hate it, I think it's shit. I used to value it a little bit. Do you look at it when a film's coming out? I'm giving rotten tomatoes a one out of ten. Wow. I'm giving it at a rotten review. Do you guys look at rotten tomatoes when a film's coming out?

I used to every week. Now I hardly ever. I don't, but I've never looked at it. I look at it because people will, you know, make posts on Reddit and other places of like, wow, this movie's got a 90 blah, blah, blah on Rotten Tomatoes. And so I'm forced to like see a couple things every once in a while. But I don't actively seek it out. I do look at things like Metacritic more often.

I look at Metacritic more often than Rotten Tomatoes. I usually don't. But let's hear this. Well, so Rotten Tomatoes is a website where it's, I always surprise people when I see. say this. I don't know if you guys know this or not, but there's a lot of people that don't fucking know this. Rotten Tomatoes, the percentage is literally just a percentage of fresh to rotten reviews. So if 100% of critics rate a film 6 out of 10, it'll get 100% on rotten tomatoes. I am not fucking kidding. That's insane. That's ridiculous. Whereas Metacritic actually...

Some ratings, I saw like, they gave Black Panther a two out of five, right? Which should be considered lower, and it's considered a positive review. Oh, really? Like a little A little fresh tomato. I don't know what they're... Maybe that was just a mistake that you saw. I don't know. But again, I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of their website is inconsistent.

But it's not even an algorithm. It's just a ratio that praises mediocrity. So, you know, very easy, inoffensive, passable films get treated like they're the best thing ever on rotten tomatoes. Whereas Metacritic actually uses an algorithm and, takes the rating into account, the rating from the individual critics. And so the end result is a much more reasonable, accurate kind of assessment of what critics think the film is on Metacritic. I completely agree with you. It's not, Metacritic isn't perfect.

It has its problems as well. I didn't say it was perfect. I said it's more reasonable and accurate. Yeah, but they also have like weighted review scores based on like certain aggregators and stuff. Yeah, I mean. It is much better than rotten tomatoes, for sure. That's why I, it's where I go. Just to see, like, the, just what kind of this discussion is from critics.

I go there with, like, okay, what do the critics think of this movie? So I can go in with a certain level of expectation. Yeah. I mean, if a movie has a 5% on Rotten Tomatoes, I'm willing to bet it isn't good. Yeah. It's very, very rare. That's the point where I go, like, okay, maybe we have a point here. But I think the main thing is people want, they want this, there's this vague idea where they want a movie, they want to know the success of a movie.

How successful was this movie? And one number is the box office rating, like how well is it doing in the box office. And then the other one is the Rotten Tomato score, because I think Rotten Tomatoes successfully managed to market themselves as, you know, you will know from our site if a film is good or not, if a film is worth seeing or not. And that little tomato, that little tomato PNG they have on their site is a nice little symbol of that. And I don't think Metacritic has marketed themselves as well. They just got that fucking number, you know, which I guess is, I guess it's kind of more unappealing, you know? I'm trying to figure out why Rotten Tomatoes has succeeded where all these other sites have kind of failed, even though they do the same thing. Because it simplifies things to the point where people don't actually have to put any thought into it.

It's like, it's spoon-fed bullshit. that's exactly why. It's like, is it fresh? Is it rotten? It's good movie or bad movie. That's it. It makes it that no one has to think about anything. As a result, it propels mediocrity.

Put it this way. Have you guys ever been won over, like in a debate about a film by someone saying, well, look, this is the metastroar. This is the Rotten Tomato score. Of course not. Exactly. But for the Black Panther video, I got comments that went, well, it's got 98 of rotten tomatoes and it made $200 million.

So, like, I mean, most people are enjoying it. But I'm like, that's not the point. Movies are, you can't really measure the success of a movie. And I know people are shocked by that, you know. But all it comes down to is if you watch it and enjoy it. And there's certain things you can rate, I think. But in other ways, it's just like, it's your own personal thing. And you can't have a giant sight come to some conclusion as to how successful a movie is.

The whole point of critics is that there are a bunch of them, and they all have a different background and a different way of viewing the art. So you find the critics, you agree with. with and disagree with. Yeah. And you follow them. You don't just go by this rounded off score at the end of it all. Yeah.

You know what, though? If it works for some people, if some people do find, like, their tastes perfectly align with Rotten Tomatoes scores, I guess. If it works for you, good on you. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, that's fine. Understand what it is. It's not, like evidence, though.

Please never don't see a movie because it's got a 70-something on Rottenmato's worth 50-something. Mother, Darrenovsky, 69%. Mother. Antichrist is probably down there. There's a lot of controversial movies that are awesome. Enter the Void, which is one of my favorite movies, has a 70-something. Yeah.

You know. Because Enter the Void is not for everybody. Is this 70-considered bad on Rotten? No, but it's like when you see a 70-something, you're like, ah, it's probably okay. Let me watch the new Black Panther. It's gotten 98. And it's like, no, don't do that.

God. Like, I've just never even considered that. Like, if I want to see a movie, I want to see the movie. I don't even think about what number it has attached to it. Oh, man. You know, it's got the worst, probably the worst success rate in terms of being able to recommend what films people will enjoy. Netflix. I hate everything.

Oh, that too, but, yeah. I mean, that's fair. That's fair. Netflix is kind of terrible, because they don't even, like, there's no logic to it. Everybody, you know, people posted on Reddit of, like, why does it say that I have a 98% chance of enjoying the emoji movie or some shit? It literally makes no sense. I don't even understand. It's just like, this movie is a 98% match.

I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? I genuinely think they're just manipulating it. I don't think it has anything to do with your tastes because there's so much shit that it's like, oh, you would love this when it's, clearly I wouldn't, you know. I rate everything I see on Netflix. there should be some sort of decent suggestions. You know, like, IMDB has like, oh, if you enjoyed this, you, then you'll probably enjoyed this. Like, tons of websites are able to do it very competently.

Netflix just seems to be all over the fucking place. I mean, I just assumed it was something to do with, because they phrase it in a certain way. Was it a match? You're a match with this movie. Yeah. Like Tinder. I assume that's based off, yeah, like Tinder.

Like, based on the things you've watched. and I don't know what kind of stats they track but there must be some algorithm they use that kind of matches you with other types of people that watch the similar kinds of media and stuff so they throw up like just random shit to see what you're clicking on. I think they just recommend things

that they want more people to see and they don't really give a shit about whether or not you'll actually enjoy it. It's worthless. It's a worthless like number. It's even more worth of something rotten twilight school. And then you click on like some stupid animated movie two o'clock in the morning when you're drunk, and then you wake up

and you have a whole feed of like, oh, you watch this movie, so we're going to recommend these 100 other movies, and the feed is there for a month. You would like boss babies since you watch this thing 3 o'clock in the morning. It's like, no, I don't want to watch this. I love it when YouTube does that. You're like searching something.

You click on one video, and then before you know it, all on the right side is just the same fucking, this guy's videos that you don't want to watch. I can only imagine how bad it is for you, Alex, searching up like, damn Daniel and shit. My God. It's appalling.

It's so bad. It just makes the whole website nearly completely unusable. You know, you just have to... It's why I go on Twitter more than anything and follow the people's videos I want to see on there, more so than anything else. I have a kind of related question that just came out of nowhere. Have you guys ever...

Have you guys needed to find, like, an image on Google for a review and then been like, I wonder if... I wonder if somebody is tracking my search. results and just very confused about what I'm trying to find here, like, laughing baby or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I think that all the time. Crying children.

Oh, yeah. I wonder if there's just some Google employee or. Yeah, yeah. No, I thought that's many of the time. All kinds of sick shit. Jencom. Oh, I tried to buy chips, the Blu-Rays for chips, and I kept getting recommended chips everywhere. Oh.

You know, Amazon does it as well. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, you know what pisses me off? I love, I'm not a huge naysayer when it comes to targeted advertising, because in my opinion, it's like, okay, well, I would rather

you advertise things to me that I'm actually interested in rather than things that I'm not interested in at all. But I've noticed this fucking weird trend where I'll get recommended things that I've just bought and it pisses me off. Like I'll buy something and then all of a sudden

I'm getting a bunch of ads for this thing that I just bought. I'm like, can you not tell that I bought it? Is that is that not? Are we not at that point where this the algorithm can detect whether or not I've actually bought something? Like you're getting my information somehow. Why are you getting like a waste of an ad? It's just, yeah, totally. It's just total waste. I think it's what they're trying to do is they, um, they track whether or not you've searched for something or clicked on something or maybe even added it to your cart. And they want to get you with an ad again for the people that maybe thought about it and didn't complete their order and, you know, like they had second thoughts.

Like, that's a valuable ad right there because you're, you know, basically twisting their arm and reminding them like, ooh, you wanted this, don't you? Maybe you're a little drunk right now. Maybe. I think computers are just stupid. I mean, it's the same algorithm that, like, when you're reviewing something negatively, you're reviewing something negatively. And then an ad comes up on the video and it's the movie that you're ripping to shreds. You know? You're reviewing the emoji movie and then

two ads for the emoji movie comes up in the middle of the fucking video. I just want to point out, I think computers are stupid, quote, Ralph the movie maker, 2018. I do. I think they're dumb.

I think Skynet's not going to take us over. Anytime soon. Oh, I'm not worried about that. Yeah, I'm not. I'm worried more about a virus or a bomb, a nuclear bomb. Oh, like a real virus? Like an airborne virus, not a computer virus?

Oh, no, not a computer virus. Computers are stupid. Yeah, virus them all. Fuck them up. Yo. What'd you want to ask me, Alex? I just want to go back to the Rotten Tomatoes thing. I have something I want to ask Ralph specifically.

Watson tomatoes. It's because in the UK we say tomato. Tomatoes. So when you have to keep saying this fucking website name, which I never go on, by the way, I don't know which one to say. So I've said, I've just mixed it up and used a mix of the both. Tomato tomatoes.

Yeah, tomato tomatoes. In Canada, we just call them juicy balls. No, but Ralph, as an up-and-coming filmmaker yourself, do things like Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes or Tomatoes, worry you a bit or all coming to your mind? I mean, personally, it doesn't hurt my feelings, because I think if you make a movie and you're satisfied with your work, then yeah, like, who cares what people think of it.

I'm not thinking more on that. I'm thinking more in terms of, well, if my film gets a lot of buzz through something like Rant tomatoes or tomatoes RT then juicy balls that's a whole lot more eyes onto my film because it has a certain level of power we've assigned it a certain level of power because of

what it's become I mean it's helped it has helped certain smaller movies get noticed you know but it also depends on the kind of smaller movie you make because if you make a really fucking weird experimental movie it ain't going to do well on those sites. But at the same token, maybe it does do well, and people who never see it in the first place, we'll go see it.

So you just don't know. The point is the world is a complicated place, and we're all fucked. I agree. And when the inevitable Skynet robot overlords take us all out, I just, I welcome their new leadership. It's the next step in our evolution.

We're screwed. But it's okay. And we'll end on that That's just the end, fuck it I mean, what else is there to say? We're all fucked, like, who even cares anymore? Although we are going to Mars now, so maybe there's some hope. Finally, are we actually, I don't know.

We actually are. Elon Musk sent his goddamn car to space and it's in the Mars right now. That's a huge gap between, you know, colonization. Yeah, but we're on our way. This dude, I saw some TED talk. It was like TEDx. It's not even like a good TED talk.

And this guy's like, yeah, I study antimatter. I'm like, anti-matter. And he goes, yeah, we work in a lab in a nuclear fallout shelter. And we're working on putting antimatter into a rocket. And in 15 years, we'll be in like Alpha Centurion. Before you know, it'll be like nothing. I don't know. I was like, holy shit.

We're in the future. I mean, that's a lot of promises. Remember all those fucking projections in the 1960s talking about how we'd have flying cars and shit? and nobody seems to just think about how impractical that would be. This dude's like, we got a gram of antimatter, which is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb, and we're going to use this to power the earth. This gram of anti-I'm like, oh, my God, this is going to, my life is going to be so cool. Okay.

I mean, I'd have to see it. Do you guys not have anything to add on this anti-matter discussion? I think it's a lot of speculation. I mean, I would love to, you know, good on Elon Musk. I trust him for the. most part, but I mean, I can never really tell when it's literally just, hey, I'm convinced this guy can do anything. Dude, he wanted to go to Mars, right? So he goes, I need some money to make a rocket. Let me invent PayPal. And then he makes a billion dollars. And he goes, I need a little more

money. Let me invent some electric cars. And now he made Tesla. And he made like 10 billion more dollars. And if he never needs money, he'll just come up with some random idea and make 10 billion more So I have complete faith in him. I mean, he almost went bankrupt a couple times, but... Oh, yeah, because he's crazy. And then he's like, oh, let me invent an idea. And then he makes money like that,

this nut job. You ever see him speak publicly? He can barely fucking talk, but he's... Oh, yeah. Because his brain is, it's like on another plane. His mouth can't keep up. It's like the movie Limitless. You eat those tablets. Yeah, that's what he does. He eats those goddamn

tablets that let him access 100% of his brain. Or the movie Lucy. Oh yeah, Lucy. The movie ends with Lucy turning into a hard drive with all the secrets of the universe on it. And they give it to Morgan Freeman. That's kind of funny. I never actually watched either of those movies. You haven't?

It's hilarious. I got a lot of requests. It's from the director of Valerian. I know. This is actually true. I should probably watch it. I got a lot of requests to review it when it came out. But I was just so busy with other shit that by the time I could see it.

It was like, eh, the hype has passed. Could have been a good video. Maybe I have a movie to recommend then. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Speaking of, would you like to get into our next film discussion or would you like to talk a bit more? Oh, boy. Yeah, I don't mind.

Yeah, let's do that. Let's bring it on to the next part of the podcast. This is a spoiler discussion of the film, Howsu from, what was it, 1977 or something? Yes. Yes. I know so. Okay. That's right. Japanese film. Everybody should watch it. So, I mean, in the last podcast, we said everybody go watch it before you listen to this podcast.

I guess you can choose not to watch it and just listen to us, but hopefully us talking about it will make you want to watch it. And pause the video and come back and, you know, it's a good experience, I think. What did you guys? I feel like a lot of people do that. What did you guys think about the movie, howsu? I think experience. the right way to put it. Uh-huh.

I thought it was fucking nuts. It's fucking bananas. I loved it. Bananas, bananas, bananas, bananas, bananas. Banana, banana, banana, banana, banana. Minions love bananas. Oh, you guys love bananas. God damn.

I just wanted to bring that up. Adam, I want to start with you on this one. What is your history with this movie? Why'd you recommend this fucking thing it was? Yeah. What the fuck? For example, I mean, the reaction of you guys already, I mean, That's the, it's a, it's a unique experience.

Was it introduced to you by someone, or did you see it online? It was, um, there's movies every once in a while that are just, everything that you could possibly notice about them just screams its own personality. And so I just happened along the poster for the film. The, I think it was the new criterion poster. So the criterion wasn't out yet. I think I saw it on its upcoming. leases and that was in, I don't know, I was still living in Edmonton and it had to have been like

2011 or something or maybe earlier. And I looked at the poster and I was like, wow, this looks interesting just based on the poster and then nothing else. And I was like, okay, yeah, I'll, you know, figure out what this movie is and I found a copy and I watched it and I was like, well, I'm definitely buying this one. So, yeah, I mean, that's how I found. the movie. I love 70s style effects. Yeah, they're very charming.

I love... Not good in the traditional sense, but very charming. Well, I love films that can get away with being unrealistic because they're not trying to be really realistic. You know? I love when a film is just so

out there that it has the freedom to be whatever it wants to be. I love the soundtrack. The soundtrack is amazing. It's one of the best soundtracks of any movie. It's a very catchy theme. Oh, it's a theme.

You know, it's like in the way that they reprise certain songs from like, you know, the Pixar's up. They just play the same melody with different instruments. It had a theme. I think, I'll look this up, but I think they actually got just some random band to write a lot of the songs. for the film. I mean, it was very good.

I'm not, they just used the same kind of piano song a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember thinking the music was, it was mixed a little loud at points. Oh,

yeah. I don't know if that was just me. I remember thinking that too. It was very artificial feeling the whole movie. Mm-hmm. I mean, all the backgrounds are like map paintings or, you know,

just flat out. I liked the map paintings. I did too. Because like Adam was saying, like Adam was saying, it was very just, the whole movie feels artificial. so when it gets crazier, it kind of fits.

It doesn't go totally off the rails to where it becomes like not part of the movie's universe. Everything kind of felt in place. Do we actually like the film, though? Would you say it's a great film? What do you reckon? Well, I mean, that's... Okay, put it this way. What would you rate it on your number scale?

See, this is the kind of thing that defies a rating. I gave it a nine. A nine. That's very high. Maybe it would be an eight, I guess. It's a thing. film that I love a lot. It's one of those movies that I could just watch a million times and never

get bored of it and just always want to show other people this experience. I can see that. It's difficult to try and come up with things that I don't really like about it personally. I have a few issues with it. Yeah, so do I? Go for it.

I mean, as in terms of an emotional roller coaster, it's crazy. It's like stepping in a haunted house. So like, I can't even judge it as a movie. You're just like you're on this ride and you're like oh my god what the fuck what is this now and then once you're over you're just you know exhausted and i i i don't have interest in seeing it again at least not for a long time but yeah same it's one of those things i appreciate more than kind of like if you know what i mean

i had a similar reaction to when i saw mother last year um because it's kind of like the bottle film in the in one location in the house and and it and it progressively gets it's crazier and crazier. So for me, it had some parallels with that kind of feeling of just how uncomfortable and strange and you just never knew it was coming around like every corner.

That's not to say that like, it took about 35 minutes for me to really get into it. I found it kind of meandering to begin with. Like, I couldn't really... It's strangely paced for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And probably the most bizarre thing of all

is the editing style. It's not... It was very confusing to me. I was like, is this even the movie? Has it begun? Or is this like an advert or something? Because I did some research and I saw the director used to direct adverts for Japanese television. That kind of made me think, oh, hang on a minute.

I've seen videos of how, like, nuts Japanese advertising can be. And all of these weird visual effects started to click into place a bit more into, because there are things I've seen in this film that I've never seen in any other film before, just in terms of like technique. And I don't know if it's if it really adds quality to the film. It's certainly something different. I don't know if it's personally something I would use myself if I was making a movie. Some of it's a cultural barrier thing too.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, there are a lot of Japanese movies, not quite like this. Oh, yeah. You know, like this is not done. American movies are not made like, yeah, it's not. This is out there even for Japanese movies. Yeah, it's like Japanese foreign times 100.

Normally with foreign films, I find it somewhat difficult to comment on how good the acting is a lot of the time, because you're spending a lot of time reading the subtitles. You can't really process the language in the same way that you would, like an English person speaking. You can see the emotion, the way they're acting in the scene. There's less of a barrier. but for this film I was noticing the odd performance that even I was noticing how I don't know something somewhat amateurish about the odd one there were some really good performances don't get me wrong but there was the odd one again it all felt artificial like you're watching a commercial and I think that added to the dread of it because

you know that once they get to this house things are going to get fucked up yeah I I I would say that there's a high likelihood of kind of serendipity rather than in when it comes to things like that. So, you know, the terrible acting could just be that some of them are terrible actors, but it's a film where it doesn't detract from it, really, in my opinion, just because it's, it doesn't feel out of place for what the movie is trying to be. It's such a, it's such an out there wild trip that anything. I don't think it negatively impacted it at all.

I just noticed it. They're not even portraying real people. Their names are like fucking kung fu. and fantasy and Mac. And they would all have like, oh, the Kung Fu girl does Kung Fu. And fantasy has dreams about what's going to happen. It's like, oh, my God. It's like you have all these characters that are essentially just, you know, young girl stereotypes.

Where in any other movie, they would have the same stereotypes, but pretend it's something else, pretend that they're actually real characters. But in this film, they just, they're like, yeah, Professor, Poff is the, one who's a nerdy one. Mac is the one who eats all the time. Fantasy is the one who everybody's like, oh, you're always imagining things too. It doesn't pretend to be anything else. And that's, that's what makes it so charming is that it's not lying to you like so many other films do. It knows exactly what it is. When other films have stereotypical characters, they try to pretend like, that's not what's happening. And it just seems really artificial in a detrimental way, whereas this one, it owns it. And it's like, yes, this.

is what I am and I'm not trying to be anything different and I'm proud of it. In that sense, I thought it was really ahead of its time in a lot of ways with just how meta it is. Like, I really wasn't expecting that. Like, at first I was kind of confused because I surface level knew about the movie, but I just thought it was a horror movie. I didn't realize the comedy aspect was such like an important factor of it. So I had to pause it and find it on MDB and be like, okay, this is this is a comedy. I'm not just going crazy. Yeah, yeah. I found it very confusing at first.

Oh, yeah. Confusing is a great word to describe this film. But again, that's the dread. Oh, yeah. Because it's so, it's so, I'd say most of it, for the first half anyway, is upbeat. And then she finds that decapitated head in the well, right? Yeah. I was like, what the fuck? And then from there, the movie, just bonkers.

You know, and I can see how this movie kind of inspired other filmmakers. Of course, I can't, I don't know for sure. but there was lots of like something terrifying is going on and they'd hard cut to some you know sweet piano scene or like something part one it makes it so much better yeah i can't help but feel other filmmakers have seen this and been inspired by it you know what i realized this most recent time i watched it because i rewatched it i showed some friends um i i appreciated just how effective it is to have juxtaposing emotions when you're trying to provide a sense of terror and confusion. So whereas most films, sorry, I'm dying, whereas most films, a lot of, you know, very uninspired, you know, kind of straight horror films, they'll have jump scare cues that are not ironic in any sense. They'll have

scary cue music, not just like orchestral hits, but they'll have this eerie like or like the string instruments like you know. Whereas this film it's more terrifying because you're seeing something that you know is fucked up undebatably and you know that

in your brain but the music that they're playing is this happy kind of like joyful poignant emotional kind of it's really lighthearted and kind of positive the tone of the music is very lighthearted and to have that

juxtaposed with like body parts flying out of the fucking piano and blood everywhere and shit and it's it's crazy and it's it I think it adds more to terror because it makes you feel like it's fucked up you know I love

I love having something juxtaposed that's part of why you know that one scene from American Psycho is really effective where he's chopping a dude up with an axe to the song Hip to be Square. That's why Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs, that one scene with the ear cutting is so effective. It's because it's juxtaposing and the film doesn't have to

the film doesn't have to try and manipulate you because it's confident in what it's showing on screen. That it doesn't have to try and be like, ooh, let's try and make them scared by have like scary music. You don't need to be manipulated because what they're showing is actually fucked up already. And I love that. Absolutely right. The end of the movie, I mean, on paper, is a sad ending, but it's portrayed as like a happy ending. And then there's a music video at the end of the film. Well, what?

Oh, my favorite song. I love that song so much when the windy-haired girl comes back, the stepmom or whatever. A lot of the on paper kind of plot is a little hard to follow with what's happening with her dad and, you know, like, her mom died and... I was a little confused as to why it was even in there. But, you know, it's a weird... It's weird because it's so hard to follow, but it's not what the movie is, you know? Like, that's almost just beside the point. Uh-huh. There was just like these word little, like that whole thing with Mr. Togo, who was like the mystical figure who would come and save them. And they'd like cut to him just like eat noodles and there's a bear behind him. What like, what is this now? And then you never see him again. I love. Yeah. I love when the film has the, the end title on the screen and the horseback riding. Yeah. The movie just pretends like it ended and then it didn't.

Yeah. That was great. too. It was so inspired. The sound design was excellent. Like, there's so many, like, there were like laser sound effects when the doors were closing at the end. It was nuts. This movie invented memes. There was that cat.

It had the first, it had the first cat remix ever. The piano. The cat was on the piano. Yeah. And they reversed the footage and forward it. I'm like, this is the first cat remix ever. Oh, man. It's a fucking trip. It is. The skeleton, dancing skeleton, that's a meme now.

The skeleton with the trombone. This is what I mean by it being so ahead of its time. It is. It wasn't for the dated, you know, effects in it. Even for the time, some of the effects are really good. Yeah. I think the fingers on the piano look pretty cool. Yeah, that looked good.

Yeah. There's a lot of shit that was just really... Some of it obviously doesn't. I mean, if it looks fake, it doesn't take away from the movie, too. It's just it feels so in place in the universe for... to be able to tell that it's green screened and shit like it doesn't take away from it it reminded me a lot

I guess to someone who hasn't seen it it's a lot like watching an adult swim one of those weirder shorts they have like the too many cooks or the oh yeah the one where the girls falling in the floor whatever it's confusing it reminded me of one of those

yeah it's just odd odd uh huh I do think like modern horror directors should like watch this film and take notes because a lot of the way horror directors are directing these supposedly scary scenes. They're so stagnant now, you know? There's no creativity in terms of how to freak you out.

And if anyone's like the best in the world at freaking you out, it is the Japanese. They have a quite unique mindset. I wonder if this was the first usage of the whole, like, creepy black hair thing. Yeah. Remember in the hot tub? Yeah. Where it like kind of...

Oh, yeah. And now, you know, you see it in movies like the ring and the grudge and a bunch of other, you know... Yeah. What used to be considered the stereotypical Japanese horror movie. I didn't find the film particularly scary. I found it weird when I was watching it. But upon just thinking about it, the ideas and when you try and break down what you saw, it is kind of creepy to think about. There's certain images that stick with you.

Oh, man. that's that's perfect because to answer your question Alex I don't know if horror directors should take notes from this because it's just so its own thing and I wouldn't even I mean I don't mean like copying it but just yeah the presentation of how they go about trying to scare you that's what I mean just trying to think out the box a little bit you know just to see that it can be done in a different way uh-huh and not with jump scares yeah yeah creepy yeah exactly and playing the violin

in every movie I'm glad that you have that reaction to it Alex because part of the film is really about the idea of processing really fucked up things that have happened

and I forget I tried to find this video I don't know where it is there was a really nice analysis video it might have even been like officially on a criterion YouTube channel or something. Yeah.

It was talking about how a lot of the intent from the director was trying to essentially mirror Hiroshima and Nagasaki, like the atomic bomb, and having your friends and everything in your life

stripped away from you and not even knowing what the fuck just happened and like trying to process loss and grief and things just disappearing and not even understanding it and so in that sense it feels kind of like a dream doesn't nightmare um just like just like mother again like i thought that was the film that captured uh what what nightmares feel like um the best but um upon seeing this i think this might even go above it in terms of just

how uncomfortable and strange and i don't know like i didn't even i didn't really find it funny or scary at the time i just didn't i was i was just like jewellery gape just try all of my brainpower was being used on just trying to comprehend what I'm seeing you know like toward the beginning the first half hour we were all laughing and going like what the hell is this but eventually we just stopped and we were just again just sitting in awe of it yeah yeah you have you have a kind of guttural reaction at first and like this is weird I don't think I like this it's so unconventional and unique it's like your brain's trying to like repress it and remove yeah this is just funny. Don't even worry about it. This is silly. But then eventually your brain's like, oh God,

he's not looking away. He's not looking away. We're going in for a fucking nightmare. Yeah. No, it does kind of grab you by the bulls and hold you there the whole time. I never looked away. I held in my pee for most of it because I couldn't, I didn't want to, I didn't want to miss anything. Yeah. This film is a, um, a fine example of what can happen if you actually give unique, crazy ideas, like art house films, a large budget. This is something that, you know, it's such an absolute rarity because you can't get anything like this funded. If your idea is too crazy and out there, you won't get money for it, you know?

Yeah. And that's what I was good. That's what I was thinking throughout the whole thing. I was wondering, how, how did this get made? Where did the money come from for this? He sold it as a horror movie. Absolutely. he went oh this is a movie about a couple guys or a couple girls in a house which sounds boring shit but then he you know he tells it his way the film company toho was supposedly looking to create a blockbuster horror film kind of to have Japan's own version of Jaws supposedly there was somebody who that's right yeah who was in our subreddit that posted the bunch of background stuff on on this they said it's like their third

favorite movie. Do you know what I reminded me of? I've been to like art exhibitions in London before and sometimes they have video kind of installments. I could picture something like this being in one in one of those installments. That's the kind of feeling I got from it a lot of the time. Just like you're just seeing something so unique, so weird and it's making you feel something quite, I don't know, different. Very unique. I think it's a very important film for film history. I just, it's, yeah, I think if if you're an interesting, interested even remotely in film. It's a must watch for sure.

Crazy, crazy fucking movie. Is there anything else to say? I mean, I highly recommend it. It's quite a fucking trip. And hopefully this discussion has gotten a bunch of you guys interested in watching it. If you haven't seen it already, please check out this movie. What do you have to say about it, Alex? Anything else?

I personally, the more, the more I'm thinking, thinking about it the more I'm liking it which is always a oh yeah it's definitely like a multiple watch a thinker yeah kind of I only watched it today um yeah I only watched it today so I haven't even had 24 hours to think quite think about oh wow but um I I do wonder if um it's one of those films that wouldn't quite be for everyone there like I I wouldn't blame anyone going into this and being like well that was dumb

it's worth it's worth the try to figure out if it's something yeah yeah it's definitely memorable you can't it's there's still some images that stuck in my brain from when I saw it. Yeah, same. It's one of those movies where you just have to tell someone to watch it because there's nothing you can compare it to where you're like, oh yeah, if you like this, you know, you're not going to have a comparison that you can really give to people. It's its own experience. And I love movies where it's like there's nothing else like it. That's what I love so much about this. And so many of the other films that I really appreciate is that

they're their own experience. Yeah, it's such a rare treat to be shown something you've never seen before. Yeah, which is why I don't like the Black Panther, because it's the same shit. Yeah, yeah. It's just the same shit I've seen a million fucking times. But Black Panther made 200 million, and I bet Houssu didn't make that much. And I bet Toho saw the movie and went, oh my God, we spent money on this. It made like no money and like three people reviewed it. And then it was for some reason somewhat more successful in the U.S. and then eventually just had this cult thing over a long period of time that, you know, a lot of

amazing films are just panned when they come out and then later appreciated. Yeah. When they're dead. Yes. They're like, oh, at least Adam from YMS likes my movie.

I'm sure they really care about that. It's one of these films where understanding the creative process is kind of difficult. For a lot of films, like take Black Panther as an example. example. It's very, you can very easily break down the process of how that film was, you know, structured and put together and made. Whereas with this, there's a lot more of, this is one guy's

vision, you know, he had this idea and he made sure to follow through based on what he, he thought, you know, there's no interference from anyone else from, from what you can kind of tell from watching it, but. How is a director, do you even explain this to somebody? Oh, yeah. I don't know. He was just going to. crew. It's one of those things where you just got to have faith in the person making it and hope that they know what the fuck they're doing.

Even if you don't understand it. I was thinking about the actors during certain scenes and just imagining the production crew just being like, we have to do what? Okay, now bite her butt. Yeah, that. You're a head that came out of the well, you need

to bite her ass now. And then the aunt comes in in a wheelchair and she gets up and she's like, oh, I could walk now. He was just like, yeah, I was tired. Yeah, and then she goes into the fridge. Yeah. Pretend like you're being attacked by all these mattresses we're throwing at you.

Just bizarre. In a good way. All right, now stuff yourself in the piano. Yeah. We'll make it look good in post. Yeah, so this is the scene where the piano bites your fingers off, right? It's crazy. I like how she kept playing the piano without her fingers.

Oh, yeah. But once the piano took her hands, then she could stop. She couldn't play anymore. Yeah. Man. I love fantasy horror so much. It's like no rules. You know?

You can do, you can just do shit that would be really fucked up and scary. You know, nightmares don't make sense. Those are the scariest, you know? Those are the scariest parts of a lot of people's,

you know, weeks. It's like having a really shitty nightmare. Yeah. It's like that's more abstract things scare me. Oh, yeah. It's more scary. when you don't understand what's happening.

100%. If you can't rationalize it, then it's truly just fucked up and confusing. You don't understand it. That's another reason why I loved Under the Skin, and I don't really want to spoil anything from that movie, but the way that they...

Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not really going to spoil anything, but, you know, they kind of play on the idea of, you know, the human beings in the movie not really having any fucking clue what's going on. And you as the audience member, you know, presenting things in a way where you don't really fucking get it, but there is something there.

It's not just made up random bullshit for Under the Skin particularly, but it's a lot more terrifying when it's like, what the fuck is going on, I feel. Under the Skin is like one of my favorite movies. Awesome. So we got to talk about that one day. Alex, have you seen Under the Skin 2014?

For some reason I started watching it, but had to stop. I've never seen it all the way through. Was it because of the... Scottish accents? No, I understand Scottish accents. I love train spotting. Yeah, Arch-Arch-Skottish? Those were fucking difficult for me to process, let me tell you.

Yeah, I've been meaning to watch it for ages. I just haven't gone to it. You should get on it. One day. Fine. I guess that concludes our Hose-SU discussion. And I guess, yeah, we're going to go into some questions. there's some questions

I have right here Ralph's got questions he he went through the questions I didn't yeah yeah yeah so if they suck it's his fault they better be good we've only been recording for like an hour and 20 minutes

and I got tons of questions here so we can just go through as many as we feel like it did we even really like figure out how long we want our podcast to be anyway oh I have no idea just how however we feel like Or, you know, we've got definitely like over an hour from, you know, even edited down, we've got over an hour so far. It's like, I don't know. I'm sure it depends on what the questions are. They could be like really simple or complicated answer. Who knows? We'll just keep going until we feel like it. Yeah. You guys are lucky you got one this week, you ungrateful bastards. Adam woke up drunk as hell for you people. Yeah, yeah. I mean. Question number one. This is from Eli Bow's man.

What's your favorite musical score from a film? Who boy. The Lion King's up there. People often overlook the actual composition from Hans Zimmer. Was it Hans Zimmer? I think it was Hans Zimmer for the Lion King. I think so. It had to have been.

People often overlook the actual score of the film when normal dialogue's happening because it's a film that also has musical scenes in it. So most people remember, Can't Wait to Be King, Just Can't Wait to Be King, Hakuda Matata, blah, blah, blah. Like, those are the most obvious songs. But the songs that are the most important to me in the film

are the ones that are being played over the action or the dialogue scenes. Like the fucking intensity of the stampede scene, oh my God, the music in that. And, you know, obviously the death of, the father character Spoiler. It's 94.

Everybody fucking There's no That's like saying Bruce Willis is a ghost, right? Like you can't I wish I had the ability To not spoil that For people to be able to see

That movie in a way that isn't spoiled But it's like I don't think that's possible At this point Yeah it's 19904 But like Knowing that that happens Doesn't take away from the movie Like the fucking music

That they play when Simba's like it's insane it's very emotionally effective and I love a choice I wasn't expecting I'm glad to hear that one oh man it's often well I don't know a lot of people consider it to be amazing I shouldn't say it's often overlooked but I think a lot of people mostly remember the music in I might have to give it a listen again to remind me oh man oh it's so good I cry every time can I only say one um you can name a few because I have a few um I have a few um I've learned that I really adore.

Try to narrow it down like two or three. Basically anything Trent Reznor and Atka's Ross do via the social network, Gone Girl. Nice. You sound like you're going to pop in then. Oh no, well, I love them too,

but it's hard to, because it's also how well does the song fit within the score fit within the movie itself? Because some of these are weird fucking soundtracks, you know, like under the skin has an amazing soundtrack. Oh, yeah. She's very talented. to it, you know, and that like, yeah, I forget her name.

Mika Levy. Yeah, she did the soundtrack for Jackie also, I think. Yes, which is pretty good. But under their skin is like fucking excellent. Oh, man. Oh, my God. What a unique composer. I like her a lot.

Yeah, I love her. Anyway, sorry, Alex, back to you. You know, a soundtrack I really like from a film that is not very good at all. It's the, uh, is the Tron Legacy soundtrack. You guys have that one. Oh, deft punk. I think that's an amazing soundtrack It's not just like a repetitive

Duff Punk song They actually They went all out for it You know The full orchestra For like a score of a film They really up their game I thought for that

And it's a shame that Is that film That it's attached to And it's not something Like a better film Because I think it would be Propped up even more But I think

It's one of those rare cases Where it makes what would Otherwise be like a really Forgetable lame film. What year was that? Somewhat better.

2010. Yeah. So that was before they did random access memories then. Yeah, it was through the orchestral stuff with Tron Legacy that kind of inspired them.

Oh, that's really cool. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. I've never loved Daft Punk enough to listen to any of their full albums except random access memories which I love a lot. Really?

Really? I love that album. Oh, man. It's... Tron Legacy, yeah. It's, like I said, it's hard to determine because that movie kind of stinks. And the movie, the soundtrack is so much better.

I just listen to the score and just imagine whatever story I want to go with it. Imagine a better movie. Exactly, yeah. I just imagine my own shit. You should remake it. I've got a shout out, John Williams as well. He's my weakness.

There's a lot of good composers. A lot of good composers named John. It's like John Brian. John Brian. Oh, John Brian. The Turrell Sunshine of a Spotless Mind soundtrack is gorgeous. Johnny Greenwood. Johnny Greenwood. Yeah. A lot of good Johns out there. That's two. That was three. John Williams. John Williams. Let's see. I don't know. I remember there being more, but there might be. Oh, the Rango soundtrack is pretty excellent. That's one that's often overlooked. It's an animated movie about a lizard, but Hans Zimmer did that again. It's a really inspired Western.

It takes a little bit of Ennio Marconi, a little bit of Hans Zimmer's signature style. I think that score might be one of the best things about the movie. I've only seen it once, but I would like to see it again. Oh, it's terrific. And then, yeah, Trent Reznor, Social Network. That's a great one. How do you guys feel about the Lord of the Rings soundtrack? Oh, yeah.

I love, man. Did you guys watch that video that every frame of painting did on the Marvel Cinematic Universal Symphonic Universe? And it's just like, man, Lord of the Rings also just came from a time where the soundtrack just played such an important role in the movie.

I'm just, I'm starved for more big blockbuster films where the soundtrack really matters. I also find it interesting. I don't know if you guys remember the, when, did you guys ever watch that in theaters? or were, like, too young or what? No, I was too much. Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, I did. I remember at the end of the first movie, they had that kind of remake of, what was it called from the Reckway for a Dream? Was it called Luxeterna or something weird? I don't remember. Yeah, Luxeterre. Yeah, they basically remade that with a whole orchestra.

Like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And that got so popular. It was so weird, but at the end of the movie, they're basically showing like a trailer for the two towers and fucking schmigel dancing around. That's the one they use in every stock epic music compilation. It's one of those songs that just got way too popular. Uh-huh. Now you can't use it in anything.

I hate that. I hate it when songs get ruined. I've talked about that a few times in my videos. Now when I hear it, I just laugh, which is sad because it's such a great composition. Oh, yeah. Except in Requiem for a dream where it works. Oh, man. Not a great score.

that's yeah that's a that's a that's a fantastically scored movie just because of how fucked up the soundtrack is like it's so unapologetic in just how jarring and and uncomfortable it wants you to be feeling and it works with the visuals and the whole story and everything happening in that movie so well the movie's supposed to make you feel anxious oh man and and that soundtrack does an excellent job adding to that what a crazy experience of a movie fucking clintmansell is so great he is yeah he's good it's another one we got a shout out yeah a black swan Mass Effect 3 oh Mass Effect 3 yeah yeah he's done a lot of cool shit Have you guys ever heard the soundtrack from

Take Shelter No I watched the movie and I forget That's one of those movies that I really enjoyed But I've only seen it once Something about the music from it stuck with me It's like kind of quiet and downplayed, but it reflects kind of the themes of that movie, which I like.

I'll have to listen on that one, then. Schindler's List is another one. There's so many great ones I could go down. There's anything, John Williams does, to be honest. Fucking Jeff Nichols seemed so fucking promising, the director of Take Shelter. He seemed so fucking promising when Take Shelter came out, because the only thing he had made before that was Shotgun Stories,

which was a pretty good, like, indie thing. Then he made mud. With Matthew McConaughey, which I just thought was kind of lame. It was lame. It was kind of bad. I was disappointed by Midnight Special. And then, yeah. And he's just getting worse and worse.

Midnight mediocre more like. Ouch. Oh, got him. Got him. Yeah, got him. It follows. Oh, great soundtrack. Oh, yes.

Disaster piece? Really good. I thought you were talking about disaster artists for a second. No, no, no, no. That's the name of the guy. Yeah, that's the name of the guy. those. Michael Giacchino's inconsistent, but I think some stuff he does.

He did The Incredibles, which has a great score, I think. Really good. And he did Cloverfield, the original. I know Cloverfield has no music, but the very end credits. The end credits has music. And that end credit song is fucking awesome. It's like inspired by Godzilla. It's the most epic thing.

And of course, the rest of the movie has no music, but that was damn good. Excuse me Bringing it back Good Time soundtrack Fuck yeah Oh yeah Very good Now we're just going

Through great soundtracks Yeah I don't care I don't really We all get one more If the question Inspires a discussion That's not a bad thing I guess so

So We're just listening A bunch of great soundtracks Whatever Do you like the studio Kind of googly One's like Princess One and okay

Should like Never seen any of those And I know I should get on it Really? Never. Never. I would recommend Monanoi and spirited away.

There's some that I don't really like. And there's some that kind of feel like they're just making the same movie over and over again. Those are the two I recommend. Don't watch Ponyo. Yeah. Ponyo's bad. It's just for kids. It's just made for babies.

Yeah, pretty much. Like Marvel movies. Oh. I know. I'm like, exaggerative when I say it. People got really offended that I said that they're for children. Well, you're right. They are for children.

They're not like... They're not for like five-year-old children, but they are for 10-year-old children. Come on. They are for 10-year-old. You know, it has a great hipster soundtrack. Her. What? Yes. Arcade Fire.

Another great score. Can I interject with another kind of question before we get on to the next one? I think we've all kind of said what we want to do about this one. So I talked about the difference between the orchestral score in the Lion King versus the actual songs themselves where they're singing and like a musical. Do you guys have any favorite songs from actual musicals? Like your favorite soundtrack for a musical or something? Does it have to be a movie?

Does it have to be a musical? Because I like Broadway musicals a lot. Oh, yeah? Because I'm fucking gay. What do you mean by does it have to be a musical, Alex? I don't know. Do you mean a

like bespoke song for that movie? Yeah. Just a really good soundtrack for a movie. A really good soundtrack for a movie where it's character

singing and not just an orchestral score in the background. Because I always liked the Nightmare for Christmas songs. Ooh, that's a great one.

Yeah, those are always my favorites. Jack's Lament. Oh, so good. Yeah, that's a good one. If it's counting musicals, then I think, think mostly everything from

Les Mis, which is such like a white girl answer, but whatever. I like Blamez a lot. This episode sponsored by white girls. Yep. What's our sponsor of the week is white girls.

I got white girls. I like a lot of the songs in the South Park movie as well. Oh yeah, those are terrific. I'm trying to think of songs from movies, I think. Lots of these musicals are based

off of musicals from Broadway anyway, so it's not like it matters. You know what's a musical where the soundtrack makes the entire fucking movie is a 2007 film I think it was seven, maybe six, called Once. Once. Oh yeah, definitely.

Is that the one with Anne Hathaway? No. This movie Once with Anne Hathaway, I think. It's, I forget the guy's name. He's like an Irish musician that he made the soundtrack with this other girl. And basically, the movie is about these two characters who are musicians

in the film and they eventually start liking each other and record an album together and the songs that they write and play with each other are part of the musical and it kind of plays in with other scenes. It's very cool but at the same time the soundtrack just makes the whole fucking movie. It wouldn't be very special at all if it didn't have one of the best musical soundtracks ever.

It's like, how do I describe it? Kind of like alternative, like, folk-y kind of rock stuff going on. So it's a very unique kind of feel for a musical. Have you guys ever seen... If you were going to count those, I'd say inside Lywin Davis as well. Inside Lew and David? Oh, yeah. Although...

I really like that movie. Although I'm not sure I would consider that much as much of a musical as... Yeah, it's not really not. It's not really... It has songs made for the film and the characters of music. but yeah that's that's another great soundtrack I love that fairly well my honey um have you guys ever seen dancer in the dark by Lars Hunter no man well I might recommend that at some point for discussion then I just won't say anything about it now okay large von Trier movie oh yeah

these are usually pretty dark but we'll give it a shot it's the one it's the one that made Bjork never, never do movies ever again. Wow. Okay. She made, while all the Me Too stuff was happening, like really early on, like after the initial Harvey Weinstein thing, she made a Facebook post where she was like talking about the emotional abuse from a Danish director who she did not directly name, who directed a movie she was in.

Here's the, here's the kicker. she's been in one film it says like not naming him is just hilarious a Danish director like you've been in one movie I wonder who she can be talking about oh my god yeah I don't I don't want to say anything about the movie

because I'll probably I might recommend that whenever I get the next chance to recommend something I think we answered that question hell yeah very well so let's move on to the next one this is by Ryo Knight 101. Any lesser known

YouTubers you would recommend. Hmm. It would have to be movies. I'm looking through my subscription. Oh no, not movies. Just anything. Magnus Prophecy makes some really good criterion

related videos. He made an awesome breakdown on the production of Brazil and Terry Gilliam's fight for creative freedom versus the studios and how things went down. That's pretty lesser known.

Shout out, Maggie. I mean, I don't know what I'd count lesser known. Yeah, what is the lesser known? Is it have to be under a certain amount? Well, let's see. How many subscribers does Magnus Prophecy even have? Let's check this out. Let's say under 200,000.

Okay, Magnus Property has 3.5,000. So just over 3,000. subscribers. Okay, that's quite late. 3,500. Okay. See, a lot of the channels I like, too, are also, like, they just make short films once every two years. So, I don't know if I'd count them as YouTubers, you know? Do you not have a good answer, Ralph?

Like, are you, because you chose these questions. Yeah, I know, I chose them. I just wrote them down and then forgot about it. You didn't think about it? No. I'm just, it's that you stumped yourself. Yeah. Okay.

So, Alex has an answer. So let's, yeah. I'd say Lord Bung would be my one. I know that guy. He made our fan art. Well, not, he made, he made a fan art of our superhero kind of versions of ourselves. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. We didn't release the podcast yet, but we were all next to each other in this fan art thing, which is kind of funny. His videos are really good. Yeah. It's a lot of effort and work has been put into them. Yeah. What about you, Ralph? Next.

Nothing? You got nothing? You've stumped yourself. There are a few. but I like H-bomber guy. He's got 200,000 subs. He kind of looks like Macon. My fucking character.

He's an interesting guy. There's this guy, Noah Caldwell Jervais. He doesn't really edit his videos a lot. He just kind of talks for an hour and a half about whatever game or game series he feels like talking about. He's very smart guy, though. Audio quality is not good or anything. But he's like, very interesting to listen to. And then there's this guy, Yami Kinori.

who all he does is make like clay nation movies he's got 12,000 subs and he made this movie called Junkhead, which is 30 minutes long and he's trying to get made into a feature, which I think is fucking terrific. Oh, cool. I'll recommend that. Dang. Those are all the younger up-and-comers, I know. Little baby boys.

Like I wouldn't even call those, I mean H-bomber guy, I would call it like a YouTuber proper. Yeah, he makes YouTube videos. He does. Consistently. The rest of them, I don't know. Some people just use YouTube as like a dump. Yeah, exactly. Put it somewhere.

I don't have to keep it on my hard drive. It'll just be... Just throw it out into the world and it's there. And now I can access it no matter where I am. Okay, so let's move on to the next question. This is by FFS Fion. Which is your favorite Star Wars film and why? Basic question.

Adam, you go first. Because I don't know how much you love Star Wars. I want to hear it. everybody's just going to get pissed off to me no matter what I say but I mean I just let's do least favorite and most

I kind of have an answer but I just no one agrees with it I'm I out of all of them I mean like first of all let me just preface this by saying like I don't really give a shit about Star Wars

I really don't and that's I mean that might have played into why I didn't hate the newest one as much as a lot of people did is just because like I'm just I don't I'm not like a nerd when it comes to like the whole lore and like, this is how a Jedi should act kind of conversation. Like, I don't care about that. But as I, before, before episode seven came out, I rewatched all of the originals.

And I had seen them before, but they're just very, I, I don't relate to them hugely. Yeah. I kind of just, you know, I watch them and then just they're out of my mind pretty quickly after. And so I watched through the, the original trilogy. consecutively. And when I got to the third film, what was that one called? The Return of the Jedi. When I got to that one, I was enjoying myself more than the other two. And I enjoyed myself more in that movie than any of the other Star Wars ones. And I know I'm supposed to say that the

second of the original, like episode five or whatever. I know I'm supposed to say that that's my favorite and everybody gets mad if somebody says that another one's their favorite. And also, a lot of people seem to consider the third of the original trilogy as the worst one. I don't know I just I've had more fun watching it. It was the only one where it felt like there was any consequence

to these these fucking stormtroopers shooting people because in none of the other films they ever hit anybody. In this one they actually fucking hit one of the characters and it's like oh wow I'm actually in a universe where there's consequences and it's not just dancing around and dodging shit and nothing matters

you know like that's that's part of why I love that one more I was like hey there's consequence fucking finally Jesus yeah that's my answer I guess The main issue with the yeah The main issue with the sixth one is that once they rescue Han Solo but he kind of does nothing the rest of the movie Yeah that's like I mean

I don't consider any of them to be like Amazing in terms of what it means to me Like they're They're amazing for its cultural impact And the special effects for the time And what it did for movie universes and creativity and you know there's so much that it inspired and in that way obviously they're amazing films but i just you know the films themselves you know detached from the cultural

impact and detached from everything that it inspired they don't really mean much to me and i just it's it also makes it especially more annoying just how fucking overhyped everything attached to the series is at this point in time it's like you can't even fucking turn it all off. People expect so much from Star Wars because it's like, this is the greatest franchise of everything ever made. And it's, you got to be more realistic, you know, in my opinion. What do you guys think? Too true. Alex? My favorite one. Yeah. I thought, I thought, about his favorite too after. Okay. That would be a fun one. But my favorite is a new hope, I think. you have to give props to the one that started it all in a lot of ways

and if you discount Empire a lot of the other Star Wars films are just sort of a remake of A New Hope in a lot of ways or just take elements from it and rejig them More like a new nope Yeah exactly I did used to put Empire a bit above it But I watched it somewhat recently and I don't know I just think A New Hope's more of a complete film

You can watch that one on its own without having to jump into any of the others. I think people didn't like the Ewarks also. Sorry, I can't just... Yeah, in the sixth one. Yeah, because they're really done bad. I know, I know. I just, that thought just entered my mind. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's another thing people don't like about the sixth one.

Yeah. Sorry, I kind of... Yeah, I'd say in New Hope, probably. So we all actually do have different answers, which I wasn't as well. We disagree with each other on things? Yeah. I mean, we all agree original trilogy. O-T, baby.

Yeah. I do agree with you, Alex, four is way more complete than five is. Five kind of leaves you on that cliffhanger. It's a good cliffhanger, and it doesn't feel like a, I don't know, it doesn't feel like

come back for the next movie to give us money, you know? It just kind of feel, it felt more genuine than that. Yeah. Like, let's, you want to see where these people go next. It felt more like a story, you know?

I don't know how to say it exactly. It didn't feel cynical. I love five. Five is my favorite one. What the fuck is up? with that like ice creature that like hangs him upside down for no reason? The wampa. That was just an excuse.

Can you explain that? Mark Hamel got in a car accident and fucked up his face. So they had a Yeti. They brought in a Yeti from the Disney ride. And they're like, let's have him scratch his face. That's how George Lucas came up with. He's like, watch just have a Yetty and scratch him in the head. Oh my God.

That's hilarious. That's all that was. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. No wonder it seems so weird and out of place. and stupid. No fucking wonder.

It was just an exciting little thing. I love Empire. Now that I... That's my pick. I do as well. Now that I think of it, I'm not sure that... I'm not sure that I stick with my answer. I think my favorite is actually the Christmas special.

Oh, no. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I have. It's not even... It sounds hilarious. In the infamous. So not counting the Christmas special,

What's the worst one? Let's count the world. Oh, I'm not allowed to count that one. Yeah, no, no. That doesn't, we're going to forget about that one. You know, this is another thing where it's like, everybody would want me to say the newest one, but I just, I don't know, it's just fine. Oh, yeah, Las Jedi is not the worst one.

You know, I was just passionate about it. That's ridiculous if you think. A lot of fucking people really think that, I don't know. A lot of people are, like, saying they're divorced from Star Wars because of it. My roommate thinks that. I should have him on one day because he fucking loves the prequels. He can't get enough of them.

Oh, man. I'll never. We have debates that go on for six hours about how bad they are, and he loves them, and he thinks the new ones suck because, you know, they're not consistent with the universe

and the politics don't make sense. And I'm like, who gives a fuck about the politics of it? When I moved to Vancouver, I moved into a place where I basically, like, there was an ad on Craigslist, like, looking for a roommate.

I was like, yep, did it. moved to another province and moved in with a Craigslist roommate. And his favorite movie was Star Wars Episode 1. I'm not even kidding. His favorite movie of all time. And he said that. And I was like, oh, cool. And I...

He just moved out. I was like, here. And I went on YouTube. Moved out. It burned the fucking place to the ground. I opened up the Planket review on his computer. And I was like, oh, you should watch this. And then I left the room.

And then within, like, a minute he turned it off. That's the thing with prequels fans I didn't want to be a dick Yeah that's what I did with my roommate And he just went like No I can't watch this He went, shut it off Nice

They can't handle the criticism Yeah I just Did you ever hear that theory of Like if Jar Jar Jar was Secretly a genius and As though I did It is kind of convincing

They might have had like the idea of that But then they abandoned it Because people didn't like Jar Jar Jar so much that they were like, let's not have him be as important to the plot. That's a really cool fan theory, and I kind of... I actually fully believe in that theory. Yeah, I'm going to go in that full... I feel like the movie probably would have been really cool

if that theory actually played out. Yeah, I was thinking how awesome that would be. Like, everyone would love Charger then. Like, oh, he convinced everyone he was a buffoon, but he actually was this evil guy behind it all the whole time. And how unpredictable is that? It's the... George Lucas's whole thing was the...

the poetry and the rhyming. He would have been the anti-yoda. He would have been the anti-yoda though, isn't it? It's the same thing, but in the verse. Like, he's pretending to be someone else. He rhymes. It's like poetry. But he's actually the strongest villain

instead of the strongest goody. That's kind of cool. No, yeah, it's a really interesting fan theory. I suggest everybody listening, search it up. I don't know. There's like a big Reddit host or something. What's the worst? Star Wars, though, guys.

We've got to decide. Well, I mean, it started into a conversation about... We just started talking about the prequels, obviously. So, I mean, it's in there somewhere. I just remember, yeah, they're so, they're so forgettable. I think probably two is my least favorite because it's the one I remember the least. And I've seen it, I've seen it like multiple times, too. Like, I've seen it like maybe three times just because I keep fucking forgetting what the movie is.

And it's like, oh, well, I guess there's a reason for that. It's just boring. Attack of the Clones or whatever is called. I think, yeah, I think two. One, at least has Darth Mall, which looks kind of cool. The double lightsaber. Yeah, at least that's... A little...

It's kind of funny. Yeah. It'd be so easy to hurt yourself. There's some, like, funny, cool things in there. Man. Two is just fucking awful. Two is so boring. And it has some of the worst dialogue ever.

So it is one, but like... It's three. Three is funny, though. People, I don't ironically like three. I like three because I think it's a fucking comedy. The... The one where Anakin's talking about Sand is in two. That's two.

It's two, yeah. That's the best scene. If I was being objective. I'd say two, but my least favorite one is three. Oh, really? Yeah, because I've, because of the, the weird break that it gets, when it's, in my opinion, it's just as bad as one I see. People were like, I hate it when people are like,

no, this one's actually good. Trust me. Like, you've thoroughly been upset at these other two films in the franchise. Well, now is your time to give it another chance. And then it's like, oh, well, this is it. is just, this is basically the other movies, except there's, there's a bigger fight, a bigger fight scene. Three is probably, three is probably the most confusing and poorly constructed one,

because it starts with the battle. It's, yeah, it starts with the battle. Yeah. And they show General Grevis, and you're like, who the fuck's this guy? And then Count Ducco dies in the first 10 minutes of the movie, spoiler. Yeah. And then, like, from there, a whole other movie starts. And again, like you said, Alex, it's tone deaf, where it was like trying to be funny and silly.

That scene where Count Duku dies, he's beheaded. And in like a couple of shots before that, there's R2D2 flying around, like setting joids and fire. And it's like, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah. That's why it's my favorite of the prequels, because it's so bad, it's funny. Yeah, it is funny. I think it just gave up.

Let's see. Next question. This one is from Super Slight Lieoff. Roger Ebert infamously said once that video games can never become art in the the same way that films, music, or literature can. Do you agree with this or disagree with it? I completely disagree. That's just the...

I completely disagree too. There's plenty of shit that Roger Ebert has said that I've disagreed with. I mean, he's... He had a very important legacy, and he was a very important critic, and he's very poetic. He's definitely inspired all of us to do what we're doing. Yeah. But I think... I think that his comments on video games was just an example of him being an old fart

and being detached. That's as simple as that. I mean, not that video games, video games can't be good in the same way movies are, because any game that tries to replicate what movies are just fails spectacularly. But it's saying it can't succeed as an art is ridiculous in its own way.

Well, yeah, I mean, the problem is that not only are video games still progressing in what they can be, but Roger Ebert, he wasn't playing any of the right fucking games. Like, if you read his comments, on it. And even, you know, he made a second article of people getting mad at him. And so he responded and was like, no, I stand by what I've said. And he was using examples of things that people told him to check out. They're like, I was told to check out this indie PS3 title called Flower, where the

flower is just wafting around in the wind. I'm like, that's not the first, like, yeah, sure, it's, it, it's, it's artistic. That's like, that's obviously art, but it's not the first thing that I would recommend to someone to try and convince somebody that video. games are art. Yeah. Yeah. I've got... It's a weird thing. I got more to say about this, but you guys say some shit. He obviously doesn't play games. It's just as simple as that. He just doesn't know what he's talking about, you know?

There's nothing more to say, really. He has the mindset of like a film... Again, I keep coming back to this, because video games can never succeed in the same way that any of these other art forms do. Because all these other art forms basically have this level of disconnect with the actual thing that you're viewing. because you're more of an observer in all of these things. And video games, you become essentially the protagonist, which is why I think, I don't know,

I'm trying to think of, like, story games, you know? Like, I can never put myself in a main character's shoes in a video game because it's me, essentially. That's very interesting that you say that. No matter how the game decides to, you know, define me, in the end of the day, it's me playing, and I can just fucking do whatever I want. Like in GTA, they try to portray you as a good guy,

and then I could just kill people, like, immediately after, and there's no repercussions. That's why I like GTA 5 as it didn't try to do that. GTA 5, all the characters were... They didn't try to be good people. Yeah, exactly. But even in GTA 5, like, you have friends in it, and then you fucking run them over with a car,

and then the next, like, you get out of the hospital, and they're like, hey, don't do that again when they should be dead. There's always that disconnect there. It's funny, but I mean, I really... When I think video games as art, what you're saying is essentially true that they will never be able to present themselves in a way that a film would and give you the same experience. Like, that's true. But by being in the perspective of the player, you get an entirely new experience out of it. And so there's games that exist.

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying it's totally different. And Roger Ebert is completely just on another wavelength. There's games that exist that really. take advantage of that. One of my favorite games ever is The Witness, which came out 2015, 2016, 2017.

The Witness, it's by Jonathan Blow. That is, I can't spoil anything, but like, that is one of the best examples of video games being art and using the medium of a game and understanding that there is a person in the perspective of the player and using that to its advantage. And it's not a story game. That's what's crazy about it.

It's not trying to be, you know, a heavy rain or Last of Us or anything. You know, it's its own experience and it's so fucking difficult to describe. But all I've got to say is that everybody should fucking play through the game. And even when you get past the point where you think it's ended, fucking going because there's a lot of crazy purposeful insane meta shit going on in this game it's it's actually genius I would consider that game genius and what sucks about it what sucks about it actually is like you can't even get to the to to what I value so much out of it unless you like puzzle solving so if you if you go into the game and you've

played the first like you know ten minutes or whatever and you hate it and you hate the puzzles that you're doing in the game, then I guess just put it down and look up something online. But it's such an important experience to play through yourself. If you like the puzzles, then you'll get so much more out of it just by playing through the whole thing. I cannot recommend it enough. It's awesome. Alex? I find it kind of, he's choosing his arguments without even like really considering it properly in terms of like there's a lot of overlap with the process of making

you know like a film and a game like a game has writing films have writing there's production design and artistry and you know concept art and all sorts you know CGI there's those of overlap there so purposefully ignoring

that is just kind of ridiculous to me well yeah I mean it's just it's a stupid argument to make because that's like yeah that you know when movies came out there were people saying similar things about movies not being art when it's like okay well if you can agree if we can agree that an actor's performance can be art if we can agree that um you know aesthetic design choices can be art if we can agree that a soundtrack can be art if you're agreeing that all of these things that are

present in this game are already art separately how does it all of a sudden become not art by combining them together that's what's stupid about it like you're exactly you can't yeah it's a dumb fucking thing to say but I mean Yeah, he said some dumb things before, but whatever. He was a great guy. He was a very inspirational boy. I mean, who knows? Maybe something will come along in like 50 years, and we'll be the same way.

We'll be saying, that's not odd. We can only hope that we'll be above that. We can say that with Vine or whatever. Like, Vine ain't art. I fucking hate that shit. I'll Vine's gone now. I mean, anything's art. To try and make the argument that something's not art,

it just seems like a silly thing to try. and do. Why is it important to you that you can say that it's not art, you know? You can say it's of lesser value

than other art forms if you want. Like I consider, you know, factory Marvel movies to be of lesser value than other artistic experiences that I've had

to me personally, especially. But it's still art. It's factory art, but it's still art. And still, that's a personal thing. Yeah.

We got one more question here. All right. Because we're doing pretty well in time. So I think one more is warring. This is a, comfortable length for an episode, I think. Yeah.

So, what are your favorite TV shows? Oh, this is from the last secret, by the way. The Last Secret asks. What are your favorite TV shows? I'm going to count ones that are on right now, and then ones in general. So which first? Which of all time. Who gives a shit, yeah, of all time, and then we can move down to what's on now.

We should probably just get Breaking Bad out of the way. Not all of our lists, right? Yeah, should we say breaking bads disqualified? Because I think all three of us would probably... No, I wouldn't... No. Oh, really? Okay, well, breaking bad is my favorite.

Really? There you go. You wouldn't put it on? No. I, like, so, I mean, I fucking loved the shit out of the show, and I own it, and I'm going to watch through it again at some point. But there's, there's, like, entire... Pretty much all a season two just sucked for me, in my opinion.

Really? Season three was like, I was only watching season three because I was still entertained and wanted to see where it was going, but it was expecting a total train wreck. And although half of season three was kind of a train wreck for me, it wound up getting better. And then season four was the best season in my opinion. And season five was awesome. Season one was awesome. But yeah, season two, dumpster fire, season three, half dumpster fire recovering out of a dumpster fire. I think the end of season two is a little weak with the, that was not going to spoil it.

This is a plane related thing. Yeah, it's, yeah. Like, that's fucking dumb. There was a lot of dumb shit that happened in season two that. It's just like, come on. And the fact they tried to build up to it was even worse. Oh, yeah. Oh, the fucking clips at the beginning of every episode.

Oh, that's so poorly done. And you're like, oh, man, what's going to happen? Oh, man. Dumb shit. It's just dishonesty. That's the only problem I have a mission. The rest of it's excellent. All these shows are going to have problems.

Listen, making 50 hours of interviews. entertaining TV. It's very hard. So, like, for me, to find, I don't think any show's perfect, but, you know. What about Better Call Saul on the same line? I hate it. It's, you hate it. Wow. It's so unnecessary and unimportant and does not, does not really capture anything I loved

about the original. I watched through the first, like, three or four episodes of Better Call Saul, and they just... I really like Better Call Saul. I do, too. I completely disagree. I think it's very well, I can't enjoy it. I tried. I think it's a totally different, it's trying to be a totally different show than Breaking Bad.

I'm sure at this point, it's something I love about it. It's so much slower and not that Breaking Bad isn't character based, but there ain't nearly as enough, there's not as much violence or gunplay or crazy shit. Criticisms is that it was really slow. I felt like barely anything had happened in the, like here,

I watch through the first. But I find that's so interesting that a show can just take its time like this. Like, it's fucking, we're like four seasons in. and barely anything has happened. Which I love. Here's, I mean, again, I've only seen the first, like, I don't know, four episodes or something.

But the impression that I got from what I saw was that it would have worked much better if the episode lengths were like half. Like what? It's like a 40-something minute show, like an hour long thing. And I know Breaking Bad was of that time frame, right? I feel like it kind of just felt obligated to be in the same time frame. and then just the... What happens over the course of a single episode is just...

Should have been in a 20-minute show for me personally. But that's what's great about it, is that it takes... I'm telling you, not much happens in the show. What happens in... Three seasons of Better Call Soul happens in, like, five episodes of Breaking Bad. But it's not...

You watch these characters just slowly shift and turn on each other and gain... It's so satisfying. It is. I get that, but it's like it requires you to really give a shit about what's going on. And for me, it's like, I really don't. I really don't. There's nothing that earns it for me.

And if I'm going to have a show or a film, there's plenty of movies I love and plenty of shows I love that could be considered slow. What I want out of that, if you're going to have something slow, is I need some, like, amazing cinematography or, you know, something really substantive to just keep me going and keep me chewing and interested and not. just like, oh, waiting for something to happen. Like, I don't, I don't watch Game of Thrones either. Like, I'm just, I'm not interested in, in this whole, like, oh, hold out for, you know, just, just keep watching 10 more episodes. I swear something will happen at. I'm like, I'm not really interested in that shit.

I think it's really stylish. Yeah, yeah. It's not my kind of thing. I mean, a lot of people agree with you, but I think it's... Yeah, yeah, I understand it, but personally, I don't think... It's so... It shows, I love that shows are doing this now, where it's not like, you know, the episode of the week, and we got to...

I get, like Aaron Sorkin, because I listen to talk, and he talked about television, how you have to get all this shit out of the way in the first five minutes to get people invested. And Better Call Saul is so slow. And Game of Thrones is so slow. I mean, not in the traditional sense, but Game of Thrones really doesn't pick up. It doesn't pick up until the end of season three is when Game of Thrones gets good. Oh, see, that's just, I can't. I couldn't ever do that.

I'm not like, I. It's really good prior to. season three. Like, it's always good, but season three is when you realize it's all been building up to season three, and then from there, it's a release. I already know what happens anyway, and it's like, I don't know. I just, I watched the first few episodes of Game of Thrones, and I was like, wow, I do not give a shit about anything that's happening right now. And I just, like, I don't, I don't want to feel an obligation to continue watching, like, 50 hours of shit so that I can start to care about something, because apparently it's just so great that I care about it. Like, I don't have,

I don't want that kind of fucking investment, you know? Wow. Especially if it continues and it starts getting shit. Anyway. I can understand it too, but I don't know. The thing is, with both the shows, with both better call Saul and Game of Thrones, I started watching them and then stopped like around episode four and then left it for a while, and then ended up coming back and watching the whole thing again.

So, I don't know. Maybe it's just, you got to wait for the whole thing to come out, and then you feel more urge to just kind of watch the whole thing at once. Maybe. I don't know, that's what happened with me with both of these shows. It's all right. You're allowed to be wrong sometimes. Yeah.

Yeah, I am. What were you going to say, Alex? One of my favorites is The Shield. I don't know if you guys have ever seen that one. I've heard of it. It's like a police drama thing. It's very good. It's another one with just really interesting characters

that propel everything forward. and six feet under as well. I love it. But I haven't seen it in so long. It's been a while, yeah, but that's a very, very good show as well. I was holding out for a Blu-ray that never happened. Oh, they never come out.

I thought HBO would do it eventually. Well, apparently not. Not as big as the Sopranos, you know, so. I was waiting for a fucking Blu-ray, and it just never happened. That's a shame. Yeah, Ralph. Sopranos.

beside Breaking Bad, I think Superanos is mine. Which, again, they kind of, toward the end, it kind of falls off the rails, and they realize they ran out of ideas. It went on way too long. And I think they had a lot more planned with the mother character, and unfortunately, the actress who plays or dies in season two, before season two started filming.

So that kind of plot thread is just left by the wayside, and kind of everything is in the show. But beside that, characters are great, and it's incredibly entertaining. Again, it's got that Italian charm that I love. So what are your favorite shows on right now? What's something you turn on right now? Like, oh, I can't wait for this to come on.

And you sit in your fucking chair or whatever. Nirvana, the band, the show. I did a video on it. I want to shout out. I want to shout out Kenny v. Spenny, too. I love Kenny versus Spenny. You introduced me that shit. I love it.

Yeah, Nirvana of the band, the show is awesome. It's like probably the best current show. Maybe, I don't know. It depends what you're looking for. I really love it. Yeah, in terms of like shows that aren't on anymore, six feet under is up there for sure. But it's just like, I haven't seen it in so long. I don't even really remember like the last time I saw it. Like I could completely drastically change my opinion by the time I watch it again. I don't know. But it's a six feet under is a very important one to me for sure. Awesome show. Everybody's been, I said I would make a video on this show and a lot of people are waiting for it. And I'm trying to. I just watched through it again, and I'm going to try and find some time to squeeze this video into my other video schedule. Moral oral. Have you ever seen it? Oh, yeah.

Moral oral. It's great, yeah. That's the guys who made Anomalisa. Yeah. One of them. Yeah, Dino Stamtopoulos, he produced Anomalisa, but he didn't really have his hand in it. He kind of just threw money at Anomalisa. It wasn't the same animation people who did it. The director of Charlie Kaufman.

The Duke Johnson worked on moral oral. Yeah, that's it. I think he directed some episodes, or maybe he directed the, like, special before oral or whatever. But, yeah, I would, moral oral, the three seasons that there are, I would highly, highly recommend watching all three seasons in order. Yeah, all three seasons.

You have to, have to watch all three seasons. seasons. And the episodes are only like 11 minutes long anyway. So it's just like, it's the length of a long movie anyway. So it's not a huge investment. But man, they really, they really fuck with you. They really fuck with you in that show. It's crazy. Yeah. That's another one that takes time to get started. I mean, it doesn't get really good till season two. Well, but it's not. That's when it gets, like, how iconic it is now. I mean, cult, anyway, cult classic. Just what makes the show insane and just something that no show has ever been before is shit that you need to watch all three seasons for. But it's not like, it's not like episode one.

It's like nothing happens. It's like it's on its own, the whole first season, second season, all that shit. It's a very hilarious watchable show regardless. So it's not like, don't, don't treat it in the same vein as like, you know, Game of Thrones or something where like literally nothing happens. Yeah. Don't treat it the same as those. because it's it's it's it's a moral oral is almost like two experiences in one and it gradually shifts into the second experience by the time that it ends and it's it's one of the most unique

experiences I've ever gotten from any kind of show ever it's you've never seen anything like it before Alex um I was big on house of cards until the last season sucked and now last was ruined but now we've got mind hunter there yeah that's good at least I was big into that when that was on and I also saw another show called The End of the Fucking World I've heard good things recently

The first episode I started watching it and was like This is really kind of embarrassing But it does sort of have a payoff So if anyone's put off By like the first 10 minutes of the show Just get through it And then it does get a lot better

And it's really thoughtful Nice It's like mine hunter too But I thought the first episode was super weak. Yeah. Yeah. I normally give shows like two or three episodes before I'll give up if I'm not getting on with it.

I give them like half a season. It really depends. There's some shows where you can tell it's never going to get better. But there's other shows where it's like, hmm, depending on where things go, this could get crazy. Yeah. Yeah, 10 out of 10, young Sheldon. Favorite show. What about Fargo?

Do you know you guys watch that one? I don't like that show. No one asked Alex, because I don't like it. I don't like it at all. And someone said that you did. No. Yeah, I really like it's. I think it's like someone saw the Cullen brothers and like, oh, I can do that.

And some fucking moron. From the first season. From the first, the beginning of the second season was like laughably bad and I shut it off. I couldn't take it. The special effects are bad. I don't like the way it's shot at all. I don't like the style of it. I don't like any of the characters.

I like Martin Freeman in it. And I like Billy Bob Thornton. kind of. In the first season, yeah. Yeah. They kind of helped me through it, but I thought the plot was so boring. And just like, yeah, okay. My favorite season was the one from last year.

The third one with E.M. McGregor as the main characters. Oh, they're already up to season three? Mm-hmm. My God. I really like it. Okay. You can be wrong to sometimes.

Oh, wow. I want to get into my favorite show right now. Go on them. Because I love this shit. It's Mr. Robot, which I bet neither of you have watched. I watched the first few episodes of that show as well and then gave up. Oh my God. How, dude?

Because it didn't, you know, it was like the first episode I watched. I was like, that was all right. Kept watching. It just continued to be all right. And I was like, well, it's, I don't like the idea. Like, I obviously have very different opinions on TV shows, it seems. I feel like I'm being manipulated sometimes. Like, the shows are dependent on me caring about things that they don't earn.

Mr. Robot was just one of those things where it's like, it's decently shot. The acting's kind of all right. It's fine. I like the main guy. I forget his name. Rami or whatever. Remy Malik. Elliot.

Yeah, it's all well made, but it's just like, it's, I, there's nothing to keep me interested in watching the next episode. really. I'm just, I really don't care where things wind up going. It just, it's, it looks like a very decent, all right experience that if I continued the whole thing, I would say like, that was all right, because that's how I felt watching the first three episodes is, that was all right. I don't know. Say what you want about it. I just love, well, first of all, it really takes its time. I love shows that, I think we differ kind of in this way. I love shows that plan the whole thing out, one grand story. and then just kind of take its time with every little element.

I mean, you say they haven't earned certain characters you don't like them yet and they haven't earned that. That's because Mr. Robot really knows when it needs to do that and when not to. And it spends the whole first season on Elliot, basically, and all these other characters are just there to serve his little bullshit story going on.

And then season two, something happens, and it really focuses on everybody else. And then season three becomes about, like it's not even about the main characters anymore it's about some other political movement i mean they're still going on they're still active in it but it's also a show that we were saying earlier how there's certain games that can only they use the medium of video games to uh you could only yeah essentially tell the story by only a video game could tell this story and mr robot feels like it uses the medium of television in such a creative way to be able to tell

the story in a way that no other medium ever could, you know? And I think it's just fucking brilliant. I think all the acting is great. The way it's shot is unlike anything else. I mean, I know it's King's Speech, but the framing style anyway. But I just, I adore it. I think there's nothing else like it. And it might be one of my, it might be my favorite show when it's all set and done,

but I got to give it two more seasons. I don't know. I'm just, uh, no, I didn't, I didn't feel it. I just, it feels like. like people have lower expectations for shows than they do for films. That's all it feels like to me is I watch shows in the same way that I watch movies when I'm judging all qualities of it. And I'm not trying to imply like, oh yeah, everything needs to be short.

Like there's mini series that I recommended on my last 2015 list video, obviously, that were, you know, lengthy, you know. But there was nothing about it that would make me interested if I were watching a film. and there's nothing about it that, you know, it's just a really passive experience. And I feel like if it was a film, I just think like, man, I would have been done this thing already.

Like, I don't want to have to continue watching it when I'm just not getting anything out of it. Yeah, well, it takes... You can't convince me that using those words. Yeah, I know. You can't do that. It just takes act one of the story, essentially, and stretches it out, you know?

And I love that. It's like, we're going to, tell a movie, but we're going to do it over 50 hours instead of... That's fine. And you know what? If it's... Okay, let's let's put that into perspective then. So,

um, let's say it's a 50 hour movie, right? The first three episodes, I say that with a lot, because I think three episodes is a pretty fair amount of time to dedicate for something and determine whether or not

you want to keep going for a television show. Yeah, sure, in the traditional sense, but not for Mr. Robot. Let's say, Because by episode five, it gets fucking nuts. And you're like, what is this? Let's say an entire season is what I should have watched. Let's say that.

Let's say it's a, let's just even be really generous to say like a 30-hour experience of a movie. Let's say that. I think that watching the first three hours of that, like if we translate that into a film, like, there's plenty of movies where I watch the first 20 minutes and I'm like, there's nothing I give a shit about and I just wind up turning them off. I don't think that there's anything wrong in doing that.

Yeah, we differ there. I thought Elliot was a great character and I wanted to follow him through anything. It was mildly intriguing, but there was nothing that I gave a shit about. That's fair. Alex, you should watch it.

Yeah, I'm going to. Yeah, the first like 20 minutes of a movie, you should be able to judge whether or not you want to keep watching. Well, I'd say by the end of a pilot episode that's the inciting incident right kind of oh yeah but i watched past that i watched the first three at first three okay yeah i watched the first three to determine whether or not want you can do the fucking math all we want but we're never going to get it quite right yeah and then there's

some episodes of mr robot that are just complete waste of time but they're great there's a there's an episode in a season two like in the middle of season two where um it turns into a sitcom from like the 80s And most of it's completely pointless. And it serves kind of a point thematically toward the end. But overall, it's pointless. But it's such a fucking great little episode. I just wanted to get your guys' opinion on a show that I feel was great. And then immediately turned to shit.

True Detective? Oh, God. The second season was just bizarre. So how many episodes of the second season, Ralph, did you watch before you decided you didn't want to continue? Or did you watch the whole thing? I watched the whole thing because I'd like to give me a chance. Did you know that you hated it within the first few episodes of the season? Well, I hated Vince Vaughn basically instantly the moment I saw him and it only went down from there.

So Vince Vaughn was completely, I'm not even sure what he was or what he did, to be honest. I didn't know what was happening through most of the show. I thought Colin Firth was kind of good. But yeah, the whole thing felt to me, like, Like, it wanted to be a trippy, weird L.A. show. But it also maintained that serious somber tone from the first season that worked so great for it. And it ended up just being like this fucking mesh of just like, it didn't know what it was or who the characters were or what it wanted to be. And it just kind of failed on every level.

Yeah, it's there, it had nothing going for it. It was miserable too. Oh, miserable. Absolutely. It was absolutely miserable in a good way, like the first season was. Yeah, the first season was compelling. Compellingly miserable. The second season was just miserable.

It was a great season of a TV show. It was its own mini-series, really. It feels wrong to call them seasons. They're like separate shows, basically. I feel like they should just, because then there's the show The Night of, which is very similar in tone. Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, and it's great.

It's excellent. I would consider that more of a true detective thing than I would, the second season of a true detective, even though there's not really detective in it. And that's that. We have made it to the end. We now get a movie recommendation from yours truly, Alex. This is the very end. So I've been stuck on three different choices.

Rett Row. So I'm going to... Because I was telling Ralph, I really want to pick a movie that at least one of you two hasn't seen. Good luck. Yeah, yeah. That's what I said. I said, you've fucking seen everything. I don't know what the best would be to pick, but I'll just say the genre and you say

which one would sound more interesting to you, okay? Oh, what? Dude, just pick one. We'll watch it. Okay, okay. Because I mean, he's nervous. We're going to go like, oh, we've seen that, and we scoff at you. We're going to bully him.

It's just a film that I'll choose them. It's a film that I find it's quite important to me. and I think there's a lot to say about it. So a little movie called This Is England. Interesting. I'm aware of the director and that's on my watch list but I haven't seen it yet. You haven't seen it? Oh, hell yeah.

He found one! I did it! Yes. Okay, I'm happy. I made the right decision. It's been on my watch list for a while. Okay, awesome. Perfect.

Brilliant. Okay. That's my pick then. This is England. Check it up on time for next. Shane Meadows. Thanks. I'm curious what you guys will think.

It's very English. And if you're like an American, like Ralph, you might want subtitles. I don't know. Yeah. I bash on you people, but I love your comedy. They're very northern, I think. There was, I think there was an episode of the newest Black Mirror season where I needed subtitles. I don't remember which one.

I have more difficulty with like Irish or Scottish accents. They're not Irish or Scottish, but they do a very thick. northern accents. Are they like fish tank? Ever see that movie, Fish Tank? I've never seen it, so I can't make a fake comparison. Okay, well, yeah. Check it out.

Awesome. Good pick. Way to go. Oh, Al Capone from Boardwalk Empire. No bully today. So if anybody listening to the podcast wants to have the context for our next discussion, you should also watch this film. We will be talking about it.

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