Sardonicast - Sardonicast #03: Cool Cat, This is England

Episode Date: March 14, 2018

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sardonicast Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/sardonicast Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sardonicast Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/9vG73zS Ralph's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/ralphthe... Alex's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/IHEOfficial Adam's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/YourMovi... Alex's Twitter: https://twitter.com/IHE_OFFICIAL Ralph's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ralphsepe Adam's Twitter: https://twitter.com/2gay2lift Adam's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/YMS Ralph's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ralphthemovie... Intro music by: https://www.youtube.com/user/anUnkind... Adam Reacts to Hunt Down the Freeman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-qj... Double Toasted: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp4c... Timestamps: 00:00 - Hunt Down the Freeman 10:12 - Cool Cat 29:33 - Mr. Robot and The Witness 45:38 - Oscar Winners 53:55 - This Is England (2006) Spoiler Discussion 1:31:20 - Q&A Next Week's Film Recommendation is Wild At Heart (1990)

Okay. I mean, you got a water. Oh, fine. I'm so ready. All right, we're all set. We're all set. Oh, you got your water? That quickly?

Yeah, it was right. It was like right on the table over there. I just had to grab it. So it's right. All right. Okay. Well, three, two, one. Hello, freak bitches.

I just wanted to, I just wanted to stay in line with the motif of stealing other people's podcast quotes. Hello, everybody. We're Sardonicast. This is episode three. Very special episode. Because now it is, we have a majority in terms of which days we usually record on. So last episode, Ralph said we usually record on Tuesdays, but that was not true because we had only recorded once before. But now we usually record on Tuesdays.

I'm Adam from your movie sucks. Who's all here? I'm Alex from I hear everything. I'm Ralph from Ralph. from Ralph the Movie Maker, YouTube.com slash Ralph the Movie Maker. Ew. You.

Well, it's our, it's our brand. I don't know. It's not really product placement if we're just describing who we are and what we do on our own podcast. Come on. All right. So there's a few things we wanted to talk about today.

First off, Alex, what the fuck? You, uh... What did I do? What did you do? You were the worst fucking game ever made Yeah, somebody sent me a trailer Of Hunt Down the Freeman While I was streaming and got a pretty good reaction out of me

Especially when your voice showed up in the trailer I kind of lost it That video was excellent Yeah, like, that's Alex? I haven't seen the trailer I've only seen the actual game cutscenes Oh, okay Oh, well you're in the trailer

So I'm sure I want to bring back Ralph the Letts player for it Oh, just to play it. The trailer just kept getting worse and worse. It was one of those things where it's like, eh, this looks kind of cheesy and bad. And then when they show the design of those monsters,

it was like, ugh, vomit-worthy. And especially your voice, too. Extra vomit-worthy. Can you tell us a bit about why? Why? What specifically do you want to know about it? Well, I know you made a video. I didn't really watch your video because I never watched any of your videos.

I just want to know. how you got involved just somebody kind of asked you and you said it was there was money involved or not really colossal is crazy yeah I noticed he was on the I'm basically it's basically his fault he got everyone involved into it you message them all but why I mean you didn't like force our hands anyway he was just like hey look we got this potential like a game you can be a voice in would you be interested and of course everyone was going to say Okay. And then it will just kind of spiral from there.

So why, um, wait, he, he got approached by them and then thought it was a really good idea. I don't know how he really got involved with it. Um, I really don't know. He financially invested in the game. I, I don't think so beyond like the promise of payment that was there for everyone. Well, I highly recommend Alex's video. I think it's, the great thing about Alex is he doesn't try to be funny. He just kind of explained what happens

And it's the funniest fucking shit I've seen all month You heard it You heard it here folks It's inherently funny because it's so fucked Yeah huh They just sent you lines over Skype Or some shit

And you read them with no context at all Yeah it was a very bizarre way of doing it Who runs a business Who makes a game like this Yeah Yeah exactly Yeah I've done the odd Voice voice acting

thing just because I feel like it and because well it really depends on how much they're asking for me there was one uh there was one person that sent me a message like hey I'm making some Lego stop motion thing I think I don't know if you were in that too I've done a bunch of this yeah and there was like three lines I was like okay well I'm in my I'm on my computer in front of my microphone anyway like what it's a little small thing I can do to make someone happy that you know probably means a lot to them so why not but how many like how many lines did you have in hunt for the Freeman. Well, because they were all sent over, like, Skype and WhatsApp.

I don't have a specific number, really. Do you think they were writing for WhatsApp? Do you think they were writing it as they were sending it to you? Do you think they were kind of just, like, winging it? I think they were. But, like, at least send you a page of a script. That's funny. Like, just send you a page so you know what you're talking to and what you're talking about.

It's almost sad because. I don't know these people I didn't know this game existed But it's like I'm just imagining someone who's like Oh man all these awesome YouTubers are in my game And now they're all just talking shit about it I mean it's an excellent marketing is terrible Yeah I should have signed a contract

I really didn't want to play it I really don't want to play it at some point I'm going to save up for it I think I think I'm man I my friend that I was streaming with the other day just said he was watching some playthrus of the game there were people that had to restart the game like four different times just because it kept crashing. So I don't know if I want to pay $20 for that experience.

If that's what the experience really is. But does colossal agree with you throwing him under the bus like that? Does he take the blame? He's fine with it. I've talked to like most of the other YouTubers involved about how much of a mass it is. And we're all on the same page pretty much. I don't know how this happened, but I looked on the IMDB for it. and my name's there.

But I don't think I was in the game. And I don't, you know, I mean. Fans do that sometimes. Yeah. I mean, I'm hoping. Someone said I was in an episode of mystery diners at some point. I had to contact IMDB to get removed. Remove this.

Speaking of, I was speaking of, should I mention my little IMD to lock? Oh, please. Oh, please. Does Alex? I don't think Alex. I don't know. I saw something about it on Reddit, but I'm not sure. It's so funny.

So on my Love of a Leash video, I told everyone to rate Love on a Leash a 10 out of 10 on IMDB because we got to support female filmmakers, right? And it's a great movie. And then it currently has like 3,500 ratings, and it's a perfect 10 out of 10. So it's apparently one of the best movies ever made now. And they deleted my INDB for it. My account, not my page. They closed down Ralph's account.

Yeah. And everyone's like, where did Ralph go? Where are his lists and everything? They're just gone. They just removed it. So you're still allowed to be an actor that shows up on IMDB through the listings. You're just not allowed to have lists or rate things or participate. I mean, I don't blame them.

I kind of wasn't thinking about how bad it would be. Well, I mean, it's clearly against TOS to rig the votes. Yeah. I guess I did rig it. But, you know, it's a good movie, so I believe in it. Yeah. In fact, the best movie. They fucked that I&B.

That's funny. I've rigged it before. And I didn't get mine taken down. Wow. Really? Yeah, but I can't, it must have been years ago now. That's admission of guilt. So they might take it down now.

It was one of the Alvin and the Chipmunks movies I said to go rate a 10 or something. Well, did they destroy the IMDB page? I didn't think so. It wasn't like your one that had like no votes. The Alvin and Chipmucks movie had a few thousand already so it didn't warp it too much. Yeah. It had five ratings and then it went up to 3,000. And they changed the whole cast list.

They said like Paul Rudd was in it. 12 Stals was in it. They said the budget was $250 million. And then there were like 250 user reviews saying like this movie's a masterpiece, 10 out of 10, it made me cry. It's brilliant. So yeah, I get it.

But it's a little harsh. So you can't go on your IMDB account anymore? No, that's done. So you've lost all your ratings in all of your watch list and stuff. Worth it. I moved over to letterboxed. You can't even rate TV shows there, can you?

I guess I can't. I haven't even thought about it. I mean, people have been begging me to move over to Letterbox for a while. And apparently you can literally just import all of your IMDB ratings and shit with a click of a button. That's what I did. So thank God I still have some of my lists. Yeah. Okay.

They're clearly very different, or they're websites with very different goals. And as much as IMDB's user interface has been going down the shitter dramatically. Yeah. The whole, I don't know, the impression I get from Letterbox is, It's kind of just a big popularity contest website when I just care about movies and I don't really give a shit about You know trying to I don't care about a big deal out of myself while I talk about movies on letterboxed You know on YouTube? That's a different story, but What do you mean like people flaunting their reviews on? Yeah, it's it's it's

From what I understand and from what I've experienced it's designed in a way where it's kind of like a ranked social kind of hey look at me and how cultured I am about movies sort of thing where everybody just shows off all the time and it's like I don't want that's the impression I get from it and correct me if I'm wrong letterboxed fans but that's kind of the experience that I had from visiting the website and attempting to create an account

several times it's just it's like the hipster IMDB we're like yeah we're underground we're cool we don't use IMDB man I looked around and I saw just a lot of posts from obnoxious people that I really didn't want to see every time I logged into a website just to rate a movie, you know. Well, now I'm there. Perfect. You'll fit right in. Speaking of ratings for things, you know, I... I was talking about school shootings.

I was, you know, I was going to segue into it. It was going to be a pretty decent segue, but let's just jump right into it, I guess. I was going to say, I was going to say, for the Cool Cat movie, I didn't tell anybody to rate it a 10 out of 10. I kind of just implied it. I kind of just showed my own rating. It was like, this is what I rated it. Support the movie because it's hilarious. And then the whole drama between Alex and Daddy Derek happened.

And then everybody started rating it a 1 out of 10. It had like an 8 point something for the longest time. He had it going really well. What was that of now? I don't know. Not an 8. That's for sure. Would you like to talk about?

the recent Cool Cat things going on. Well, first explain the drama you guys had with Cool Cat in case people don't know. Oh yeah, that's a good idea, isn't it? Well, once upon a time, I stumbled upon a trailer for the film Cool Cat Saves the Kids

and I thought, this is right down my alley. It's an obnoxious man in a cat suit yelling at children. And I thought, I have to I have to see this movie, so I bought it. I ordered it. The movie and t-shirt combo pack from eBay.

And I watched the film, and my life has never been the same since. I saw his website that looked like it came straight out of 96, and I found this crazy man who was advertising that he was in Playgirl magazine and showing all of these weird. sexual shots of him on the very same website that he was trying to market a children's film. And I reviewed it and he took it well and he took the criticism constructively

and everybody thought, wow, this is a cool guy. And then eventually Alex had a poll for the next search for the worst film and it was between Cool Cat and Smosh and immediately I saw the poll and retweeted it so that my audience would

manipulate it. See, I don't have to say, you know, I don't have to say manipulate the rating, but if I retweet it, then it's kind of implied. And now I guess Alex takeover from here. Tell us what happened. So I made my video on it, to which he responded in the polar opposite way. He wasn't very happy about it. I don't know what it was. I guess I was a bit more harsh. I don't even think I come across... You don't... Really? Well, I mean, what...

I didn't come across as a bit meaner. I made fucking pedophile joke accusations. So did I. That's what I thought did it. Do you know what it might be? It might just be the fact that my... I just sound sarcastic whenever I say anything because of my accent.

Yeah. I think it might be as simple as that. Maybe he just doesn't like British people. Yeah, it could be that as well. He called you like a punk bitch, right? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Line punk troll

That's one of my favorite videos I refuse to use my name or acknowledge me Ignorance of the law is not an An excuse Ignorant of the law is not an excuse By the way The reason why we're calling him Daddy Derek Is because that's the character name

He gives himself in the film He's cool cat's daddy He doesn't see anything weird about that He's also in an intimate relationship with Mama Cat So he fucked the cat in this timeline because yeah it's a glorious masterpiece of a film made by somebody who has very limited understanding of what is socially acceptable but is somehow trying to teach kids things it's just the worst advice do you do you try to take down your video Alex or some shit well he did take it down he he struck down the video and then the whole event spiraled from there

into just chaos for a bit. He eventually wound up sending Alex a bunch of legal threats for some reason. And Alex and I were having some back and forth behind the scenes conversation. And we determined that it was sent from a Yahoo address. And I was like, this is not a law firm. And we looked up to see if these lawyers existed and they don't. And like the closest Yeah, we actually wound up

Sending messages to this like Canadian firm or something that had the same name And they were like, yeah, we don't know who this Derek Savage is And he shouldn't be sending things on our behalf And what's hilarious about the whole thing He's just trying to scare me Is, you know, he's making the accusation of illegal activity Of which I mean he's doing something illegal, very illegal

in order to try and accuse you of. He's trying to manipulate the game, but he's the only person doing anything horribly illegal, not just impersonating a lawyer, but the fact that he was taking down your video, which is a violation of copyright, which is what he was claiming you were doing. And it was the beautiful irony of it being an anti-bullying movie.

Oh, of course, yeah. During this whole fiasco, I was trying to remain in good terms with, Derek Savage. Yeah. You know, he's a weird guy who does stupid things, but I didn't, you know, I didn't want to, I didn't want to be enemies with the guy, especially considering how crazy he is. And it took, I sent him like two separate emails that were about 10 paragraphs long each, explaining to him, this is what the Streisand effect is.

This is, these are all the other examples of everybody else who's tried to do. do something like what you're doing and it blowing up in their face, you know, here's your IMDB rating on the film that's currently plummeting. Your reputation is going down the shit. Even if you believe you are in the legal right here, which you are not, and I also gave him like all these, you know, all these resources to fair use and just how he doesn't understand it. Even if you think you're in the right here, you're screwing yourself. And I sent him two separate emails that were like 10 paragraphs long to try and get it into this guy's head. And I was trying to be as nice as possible. He wouldn't fucking listen.

he was taking down all these other YouTubers videos too. And eventually I was just like, well, fuck it. I have to, you know, I have to step in. So I made my cool cat learns fair use video. And I think that I was being very fair and I gave him a lot more credit than a lot of other people were giving him. But at the same time, I had to explain to him that this is wrong and this is not okay. And then he blocked me on two of my Twitter accounts. And I haven't heard from him since.

Oh, poor daddy, terrible. So now he's making a school shooting movie. Who wants to... Who wants to explain that? Oh, I don't know. I can do it if you want. Please. Because this is...

Well, first of all, I put a poll out on Twitter explaining... Yeah, that's where it was starting. Yeah, he wanted to know what he should title it. But he couldn't fit the title in the fucking... The, what is it? The poll, right? Yeah. So, they were just, like, these incomplete titles.

Can someone find these? I guess I can find them right now. He had the full titles on top of the poll. If there's one thing that Derek Savage loves, it's exploiting tragedies. Due to the recent popular school shooting in Florida, I believe, you can never tell this day and age. You know, you always have to specify which school shooting it is.

But anyway, he decided he would step in because he wants to be the hero. He wants to save the day and he said How do we stop the school shootings? Oh, I know. Cool cat. This is how we stop school shootings. This is how we save the kids

literally is through Cool Cat. And I guess the Indiegogo campaign is going to be up by the time this episode's out. It's up now. He wants $25,000. It's currently at $186. Can you? That's a lot of money.

He's a lot of money. He's, you know? Yeah. Where's that all going to Vivica? He doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Well, how much was $25,000? Yep. He has no idea to do with that. This guy doesn't understand how the internet works.

And every campaign that I've seen him try and launch, he just has the most unrealistic expectations. And the worst ideas. Like, why would you release your video for the campaign like five days before you even launch it on Indigo? Yeah. First of all. Like as people watch the video, they're like, I should donate, but then they don't have anywhere to donate.

Yeah. You post the video on the same day as you make the page. You're just going to hope that somebody cares enough to remember about it? He has no idea what he's doing. Like, he's going to stop school shootings? He can't even make a successful Kickstarter page. Oh, I found the three titles. Yeah.

So the poll says the three titles. It's Cool Cat stops a school S, cool cat, a school shoot, and then school shooting, a cool. You know what it says on the IndieGigua campaign. Oh my fucking God. The description says, these school shootings are making me mad. What I keep hearing is, what can we do? Well, I have a solution that can help with this tragic problem, and it's Cool Cat. Oh, God.

It's so embarrassing. I don't know if you noticed in the Indiegogo campaign video. The screen is cut down the middle. And Cool Cat... What's your theory? Well, if you look at old footage of Cool Cat, he was taller than Daddy Derek, and now he's the same height. And Cool Cat is slightly more pudgy. I think Daddy Derek is in the cat suit in this video.

Why else would he need to cut the screen down the middle? And the audio, too, Cool Cat's voice. Yeah, his Cool Cat's voice is literally just recreated using old clips of Cool Cat, which is just very strange in your campaign video asking for $25,000. to make a Cool Cat movie. You can't even get him to do the campaign video. What? Well, these movies are very expensive. It doesn't have the money to get Cool Cat, you know?

So he has to just use all footage. I get it. He has one of the lowest levels of self-awareness I've ever seen, and that's just what makes his Twitter account so special. Like, it's one of the wonders of the universe is Cool Cat's Twitter account. And I'm just wondering, like, did he release the video and expect that no one would notice how weird it is that Cool Cat's voice is so strange and clearly used

recreating old footage. He probably thought he was really clever. Yeah, and the way Cool Cat's moving too, like he just keeps doing this weird hand signal that he never does in the movie ever, and it's, there's definitely an imposter cool cat, which is very interesting if you want to think about

it in terms of the Cool Cat lore and the universe. Maybe Butch LaBole took over a Cool Cat. Oh my God. What if the story is bigger than we think? Yeah. That's why we need to fund this campaign. guys. Something's crazy

is going on here. You know, okay, I, my God, when he said there's the, when he said there's going to be

a campaign, I thought, hell yeah, I need to make sure this happens. $25,000, though,

I don't think it will happen, even how, no matter how bad I wanted to. Has he done these before? Has he had a successful

Indigo go go before? The last campaign he did was for his film titled Oh, the gun, gun self-defense for women.

Um, And the campaign he launched I forget I forget how much he was asking for But but what he did was just it it makes no sense in terms of of marketing or or Kickstarter success He had it set to fixed funding so that If he didn't get the the right amount It wouldn't even charge people and he asked for some stupid amount that people weren't even gonna donate I don't remember it was like he basically got like 10% of the donations that he would have needed and then after he realized that the campaign wasn't going anywhere he canceled it started the campaign again lowered the amount to

the amount that he had already been donated to but never went through because it was canceled and because it was fixed funding so he lowered the amount to to that amount and then he didn't even make that much on the second time and he just like cancel the whole campaign because it's like you can't have to have a set plan before you set all this shit up. You can't just... But then he made the film anyway, didn't he? Yeah, exactly.

But, like, what was he going to use the money for? He doesn't have a budget layout or anything. He's just like, I think I need like $10,000 for this. Yeah, that's what he asked for $10,000. Yeah, yeah, something like that. But for what? He doesn't know. Eh, sounds right.

Fun fact, I was supposed to make a cameo appearance in that film. Oh, well, that's... I actually, well, yeah, I sent him some green screen footage that he was planning on using in it. And in his original campaign video, he said, also, Adam from YMS is going to be in the movie. And so it was like, it was literally in his campaign. And then shortly after I made the Cool Cat Learns Fair Use video.

And then he deleted the campaign video, re-uploaded it with the only change being that one line. So there's like a hard cut from where he would be saying. that I'm in the movie, which is I found to be, you know, even though not a lot of people donated to him at that point, I found that to be a little fucking slimy because you were already accepting donations from people that, who knows, might have only donated because you said I was in the movie and now you're pretending like that was never a campaign promise. So you literally just re-uploaded the video. Like, what the fuck, man? You can't do that. It's for the best. Anyway, I'll release the- Do you still have this video?

Oh, I do. I do. It's great. I'll release it. In the next review I make of a cool cat related thing, whether it be the quote-unquote new cool cat the kid's superhero film or whether or not the school shooting film actually happens. So yeah, next time I do a cool cat review, I'll include the footage and I'll include the story. Oh my God. What a special man. So you will cover it then if it ever comes out. Sorry? The school shooting one.

You will cover it. How could I not? And that's the thing. That's the thing. You know, I had every intention of covering his gun self-defense for women video. I, you know, bought it. I did a recording, you know, expecting to get some good reactions out of me and my friends as we were watching it. And I wound up abandoning that because it was more sad than funny.

Really? It was like, it was like kind of concerning in ways. Because, you know, Cool Cat is something I want to encourage there to be more of. I totally, even despite Daddy Derek being kind of a dick, I'm, you know, I would totally support and fund and purchase things so that he can make more Cool Cat because I love it. It's funny. And this is something that I did not want to support. And I did not want to give more attention to it by making a huge YMS video out of it. He was, he was doing some very weird and strange and fucked up things in that, uh,

in that movie he uh really he brought cardboard cutouts of like Justin Bieber and shot them in the desert and this is it this isn't his gun safety film um yeah but he has he has a he has another goal in mind he wants to look really cool he wants everybody to think he looks really cool but he also wants to be teaching safety and so there's a gigantic conflict the entire the entire movie and it was just very uh scummy It was very disturbing. There was a moment where the cameraman almost got shot and he kept it in. Oh my God.

I'm not even kidding. He brought some girl. He's teaching gun safety. Yeah. It's the fucking camera. I'm not even, it's so fucked up. And this is why I didn't make this fucking video. Who knows, I might include a clip the next time I talk about it.

He brought this girl to a desert. There's the boom guy and the camera guy. He had already spent the first however long of the film being like, okay always make sure you know your trigger's not on your figure saying some very basic and from my understanding uh correct uh gun safety tips um and then when he actually goes out to the desert and starts teaching this other girl he abandons everything he said like like nothing nothing that he said before applies anymore for some reason she's shooting a target and he's like he's got like his uh i don't remember if he was holding her what was happening he was behind her

And the camera guy is at an angle. So not in her range, but like off to the side just to get the shot of her. And she's firing the gun and one of the shells comes out of the gun and lands in her breast, like in her shirt. And she's like, ah! And like, you know, I guess it's hot. I guess Daddy Derek thought this was a kind of funny moment to include in the film. But if you look at what's happening and this is all in one shot, like this is something that happened. She as she's trying to brush away her breast

She immediately with her finger on the trigger like points the gun at the cameraman And you can see the framing of the cameraman like Duck like this guy thought he was gonna die right then And daddy Derek looked at the fucking footage and thought Oh what a fun quirky moment to include in my film and I was just my jaw was open I was like what the fuck And a gun safety film What the fuck man

So that's why it seemed like you know what you're doing a little bit Just a little Ah, some Now that I've talked about it on this podcast I'm sure someone will upload that clip somewhere But that's, oh my God, that's fucked up Jesus, I didn't want to Funny, I know, it's just sad

This is dangerous You think you're gonna stop fucking school shootings And you almost let your cameraman get shot And your fucking gun safety movie man, oh my God I hope he uses fake guns It's just concerning. It's just concerning And no, it wasn't a fake gun This was like a part of him trying to teach her how to shoot

Like this is shit that happened I my god and now he's trying to stop school shootings I'm sure he'll he won't even make a dent yeah that'll be a success

do you want to move on yes please I keep ranting oh my god that's fine you seem very educated on the the matter of cool cat yeah

that's just one of those topics that I'm going to be saying a lot on Ralph I actually I actually have a question for you I wanted to kind of ask you about last episode. We had a conversation on television, and you were saying that I wasn't really giving a lot

of shows a fair chance. And then at some point in the podcast, I recommended the game, The Witness, and then later you said that you tried the first bit of it and didn't like it. And that's fine. And I believe that if you're not enjoying the core of what something is, if you try it out for an hour, three hours, whatever, you shouldn't feel obligated to finish it. And I just, I wanted to,

I wanted to know if you've changed your opinion on that, or if you feel like games are different or... Games are, oh, this is a loaded question. I'm sorry. No, no, no, this is a good thing. We need loaded questions. We need loaded guns. I got a gotcha.

Cool, guy. So yeah, I started playing The Witness, and there's the line puzzle thing. I'm like, okay, this is kind of neat. So there's a point in the game where you figure out that there's more to it than just, you know, solving puzzles on a flat surface, right? And it's really, it becomes more interesting. I'm like, oh, okay, that's kind of cool. And then from there, I kind of grew tired of it. And I'm like, okay, this is fun for like two or three hours.

But for me to do this for God knows how long. I think there's something like a thousand or two thousand puzzles in the game, right? Something crazy like that. I was like, yeah, I'm not really digging this all that much. Not that I think it's a bad game. I really think it's an interesting idea. I love the idea of it, but I didn't find it entertaining. And I know what you're going to say, like, oh, that's the equivalent of watching two episodes of a TV show.

I'm wondering if you think. All right, you fucker. You got me. Well, I mean, I'm just, I was confused when you said, you know, I'm not really into it. the first couple hours and then gave up on it because like, I don't know, my, my play through was about like 40 some hours because I 100%ed it and I loved it. And I agree that, you know, I agree with with you on the witness. You should not feel obligated to play through 40 hours or even beat the whole game. If you play through enough of it to know that this is the core

of what it is, this is the game that I'm playing right now and I'm not really enjoying it. Right. And that's just, that's what I was getting at with TV shows. I think that, three episodes. I think that like three hours of something is a pretty fair, a fair chance to give something before you can determine whether or not you like the core of what it is. But I think the game, the, the witness more specifically, is very different in that sense, because... Or is it? I also tried all the different, there's different lands in the witness where all the puzzles are different. There's some that are like symmetrical puzzles. There's some where you have to, what is it?

You have to like make the line go over and divide certain sections of the puzzle. So I got the sense of every different puzzle. And I just didn't feel like I needed to keep doing the same thing as it got progressively harder. And, you know, I think a story is very different because a story, you know, changes and goes from one thing to another. So I see your point, but I don't know. I think it's a little different.

and also I have very different tastes in games I think than you do I'm I prefer I'm I'm a very basic gamer I like uh I like my call of duty and I like my I'm a fucking yeah I'm a normie in terms of that stuff I have dabbled into indie games a little bit I do like a cup head and stuff like that but yeah I prefer more Twitch shooting and like very low attention span games than you I think what about you Adam I think

yeah what about you out of them I think you know what about you out I'm just sitting here wondering, like, I see your point, but at the same time, I do think there is quite an inherent difference. I think the reason people find it so strange to hear you say that about TV is that the overlap with TV and movies is a lot greater than the overlap of games of that sort. If you get what I mean, like, it's so inherently different. Not that video games aren't stories, but the witness definitely is a time. I mean, it's such a unique in that sense. Of course. Yeah.

Of course. I mean, like, it's the experience of what the, the entertainment medium is offering you. And I, what I recommended it, I said, you know, it's not even trying to be a story. It's a very different experience. And from what you described about it, Ralph, like, I would argue in the same way that you're, you would argue that I didn't get the full experience of Mr. Robot by watching the first three episodes. I would argue the exact same thing about you, you know, you know, dabbling in the witness and trying different. Areas of the levels like that's not that's not what the experience of the game was to me It was there's a reason why a hundred percent at the game and I played through the whole game because I really enjoyed the experience I was having

And if I really enjoy the experience of a television show I will watch through the whole thing the jinx making a murderer those were two things that appeared on my 2015 list obviously six feet under you know I feel like three episodes is a good fair chance to give something. Yeah. I mean it's hard to debate. Also another great thing is Alex watched Mr. Robot and he very much enjoyed it. Yes, I'm halfway through season two. I think it's amazing. I think Ralph is the hope is real. There's the old thing that's kind of strange about it. And this is what made me start thinking about it. It was like if I was trying to sell this to someone, especially someone like Adam, I can't see them ever jumping into it. Especially when you say

that one thing. Yeah, I'm not going to say it because I can say it. That could really I consider it a huge spoiler and I feel like it would completely ruin it for someone like Adam who would say, well, in that case, I don't want to watch the 10 hours it would take to get through season one for it to get good, if you know what I mean. Yeah. But at the same time, I just find with, I love the slow burn of television. I find it like way more satisfying in the long run than anything movies can provide just because of what you can do with the characters and like a long, slowly building.

story and that's what Mr. Robot has done and is good at despite one major major problem with season one that is a problem but at the same time isn't a problem and people who've seen it will know what I mean but um yeah it concerns a twist no yeah I'm aware of that much also there are there are many twists in season one of Mr. Robot and there is one right before the bad twist that I thought was amazing involving a female character do you know what I'm talking about Alex? This is a scene where Elliot and another character on, or on like a pier, or like a beach in like episode eight or so.

It was a female character. I think I know what you're talking about. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one got me. That's it. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, that was good. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean that when that overall, like,

plot is based on something that's so derivative of something else, it was, at first, it was a bit of a, uh, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't know if I want to keep going, but... That's fine. I did. Episode four, I was like, are they really... Is this what they're doing? Yeah, that's where I was.

There's no way that's the twist of this, is it? Yeah. And then... No, I thought, no, that's so ridiculously obvious. That cannot happen. And I was like purposefully analyzing it, I would in the same way, I would the original thing that it's aping, thinking, no, they're not going to do that, are they?

That's too obvious, and lo and behold. The thing is, once they do it, I think they pull it off pretty well, and there's a level of self-awareness to it. Yeah, I think that's fine. And the result of it, like the result of it triggers something that is really narratively interesting in the way everything is presented from that point. So it's really rewarding in that respect. But if they think they're being surprising in any way, they're not to someone like me. Yeah, absolutely.

I completely agree with you. I would recommend it, though. Yeah, yeah, I'm hearing you. I might, you know, I might try to keep watching it, but I just, I have a funny feeling that it's going to end. And like every other time I've said that I would do that to a show where I keep watching. And I'm like, well, this is literally exactly what I thought it would be. And then just... Yeah.

Yeah. Here's another thing that might, I guess, bring you into my mindset on this. Is that... Shoot. I'm somebody that, you know, the plot description oftentimes means jack shit to me. And some people have... I don't know. You guys are familiar.

with my videos, you'll notice a lot of the times I'll avoid plot descriptions completely. I'm somebody that really, really cares about the overall presentation. And I've mentioned before, you know, it's like the difference between species and under the skin. You could give them the same description on Netflix in some sense, but they're radically different movies because of how they're presented. And when I start watching a TV show like Game of Thrones and Mr. Robot or anything, my enjoyment from it is not really about, you know, where the plot goes for the most part. It's about the presentation. And for the shows that I've abandoned, it's literally just been me going, okay, well, this is presented fine the first three episodes.

And there's nothing. I think the presentation of Mr. Robot is stellar as well as like medical soul. A lot of people say that. And when I went into it, like one of my friends was raving about the cinematography. of the show and I watched it and I just I thought the cinematography was good you know it's better than the average show I don't want to just compare shows to other shows you know the same standard that I have for all of the elements that would make up a film I would apply to shows I you know not pacing obviously but yeah things like performances cinematography etc I just I it really feels like to me and I get that

you know I'm subjective and this is my own experience and I'm probably wrong because most people disagree with me or whatever, but it feels like in my perspective that I'm trapped in It feels like everybody just gives a lot more credit to TV shows than movies That's just what it feels like to me, you know? Credit in terms of what though? As in people are more forgiving for things that happen in television than they would be if it were in a film And I'm not just talking about like oops like plot hole or something like that I'm talking about the overarching general presentation

People are way more willing to give it more time as well Yeah, yeah that's it way more time Some people will say, yeah, it's terrible for two seasons, but then by season three is amazing. And then loads of people go watch season one and two without even thinking about it just because it's television. That's a very common thing. And I feel like a lot of people, just because they give something so much of a chance, that by the end of it, they're already kind of like invested in it just because of them putting so much time into it in the first place. You know, and not necessarily about the presentation of the show. And I'm not trying to say that Mr. Robot is terribly presented.

I'm just saying, I didn't think it was amazingly presented. It was better than the average show, but not up to the par of what I would enjoy out of a movie, that's for sure. Yeah, it's that, too, if a TV show does something for the first time, people are much more impressed by it. Because Mr. Robot does things that TV's never done before that movies have. I mean, the twist is something that's never been done in TV before, technically, you know. That's cool. Even the cinematography is so much darker than a usual TV show. Like, it's so dark-looking.

And usually TV shows are overlit and shit. So I love it for that. The techno score, that's something new. You know, I love that shit, too. But, yeah, I think you're right, Adam. I think people are more forgiving. That being said, something Mr. Robot's, like, oh, it's perfect. It's much better than most of the shit that's on TV.

Like, I'll agree that it's one of the best shows on television. Have you heard people saying, like, TV's going to overtake, movies. I've heard people say that. And I don't agree with that at all. Yeah, I don't agree with that. I still think the ratio is way off. I think there's way less good TV shows than good movies. It could overtake it in terms of popularity just because people don't give a shit about

going to the theater anymore anyway. Well, it already has, right? Yeah. Not in terms of quality, I don't think. But yeah, I mean, you heard it here, folks. I think that Mr. Robot is one of the best shows on television right now, but I still don't think it's worth my time. I kind of want to avoid just rehashing the same conversation as last episode

So I'd like to move on to the next subject if you guys are cool with that That's fine Does he add anything to add? Oh, I want to make a correction from last episode Oh yeah All about doing that I said I had to well I asked a question What smaller channels would I recommend

And I completely forgot to mention double toasted Which I think is a great Good really great channel that reviews movies I thoroughly enjoy them Yeah, they're amazing I mean, I don't always agree with them. They certainly, they're more forgiving on movies than I think I am. But they're, they know what the fuck they're talking about.

They've been watching movies for years. Yeah, I've followed those guys since the spill days. If anyone, remember us that. Oh, you followed them since the spill days, too. I love the spill days. Yeah. I'm obsessed with that. Co-host and Carlis.

Ralph. Yeah. When you say they've been watching movies for years, is that to imply that you have not been watching movies for years? I have, but these guys are like 40 or 50. And you're under 25. for a long. Yeah.

I'm under 25. All right. You want to mention this fucking guy? Let's not go into it. This dickhead. You can do whatever you want. I just wanted to trigger you a little. No, I don't want to name names, you know.

Oh, perfect. Thank you. Oh, God. It's a fucking asshole. Did you see him on, okay, so this is this fucking dickbag. I won't name names. He starts acting like a shithead on Twitter. So it's acting like a shithead.

I don't want to name names, but this guy's a fucking dickhead. Don't name. his names. Yeah. And then he goes, and then I'm like, yeah, no what, fuck you, you're not going to name names. You can suck my dick. And then he goes, you know what, kid, let me give you some advice. Kid, go fuck yourself, asshole. And his voice was just vapid as well. It's like, oh, he turned from being a dick to go, oh, now I'm going to be the mentor father figure. Yeah. You are? You're going to tell me how to fucking make reviews, dickhead. All right. All right. That's all you wanted to say. Yeah, that's all.

I don't want to say about him. Perfect. God. Fucking asshole. No comment for myself. I just wanted to get it out of you. I've got a short question before we go into the next topic. Have you, do you guys ever, if, I don't know, I don't know what the situation is for you guys in your respective countries.

But there's a brand of toilets called. called Toto and every time every time I use a public restroom and I see that on the toilet the song Africa gets stuck in my head and I'm wondering if that's the same for anybody else that's so ridiculously specific yeah why I understand my pain someone in the comments will get it yeah I'll find I'll find my soulmate in the comments section I remember that Jellin thing you were talking about you guys remember that commercial where they say Jellin hell yeah one guy in the comments like yeah I I got you.

Yeah. Same guy will come give you some backup this time. I hope they give me a back rub. Oh. Yeah, they were, you know, you were wrong. It wasn't just a Canadian thing, you guys. You were just under a rock when you were eight years old. Yeah, what were we?

Like tiny little babies. I just skip the commercials. All right. So the Oscars happened recently. Yeah. Oh, great. Ralph and I did a reaction stream. There will be an edited version on.

my channel at some point whenever that's edited through. How do you think the Oscars went? Oh, they're fine. Alex, what do you think? Yeah, inoffensive. Whatever. There are a couple of good speeches, acceptance speeches, but apart from that. This is the first time I noticed how fucking bloated it is for one thing. Because it goes on for four hours and it's so doesn't need to be that long. And then the amount of Disney product placement really got to be annoying. And I really didn't notice that until Adam started pointing it out. But yeah, Star Wars every five seconds. Black Panther every five seconds. Yeah, it's ABC, which is owned by Disney.

And Pixar wins every award every year. Including best song, which Adam is pissed about. That was extremely pissed about. And you know what? There's a lot of people that really disagree with me, and they think that the song from Cocoa remember me is better than the Sufian Stevens song, Mystery of Love.

That's the title. And music is really subjective. I'm not going to say that your experience is invalidated. But what I will say is I'd like to, I'd like to, I'd like to you to honestly ask yourself, do you feel as though you got an emotional response out of the song from Coco from the song itself? Or do you feel like you got it out of how it was used in the movie? Because those are two very different things. And Pixar is filled with a lot of emotionally manipulative strategies like that.

The song was nothing special. It was very formulated. It was very safe. It was very lame and cliched. And that's the only thing that Disney would let Pixar make ever. You know, that's what would happen in a Pixar film. That's literally what you get. Yeah.

Let it go was the same thing. I believe that one best thing. Exactly. Yeah, it did. It's like, oh, yeah, we'll just take that same time. We're going to use the formula. I said in the Oscar stream, the guy I know who has Oscar screeners, he gets him sent to him. He just gives them to his maid, and the maid picks the awards for him.

So it's not like it even matters. Were there any categories that you were particularly happy or upset about in terms of whether or not the person deserved the award? Alex? I did want Baby Driver to win something to do with editing or sound editing. And that was the only one that I was kind of whatever about. I was happy about Deacons, of course, for cinematography. That was the only one I really cared about. Like, the other I didn't really give a shit about.

That was the main one. I was like, if he doesn't win this, then this show has even less credibility than I gave. That was probably the most clear-cut example of just who deserved the award at that point in time, and I'm glad it happened. Because honestly, I mean, it's like the best cinematography I've seen in the past like 20 years. Me too. Yeah, me too. And I'm 20 years old, so that means a lot. I actually watched Blade Runner 2049 again last night, and I'm kind of shocked that, uh,

it didn't win production design. As much as I like the shape of water, I'm shocked that it didn't win production design. Yeah. I think it should have won production design. Yeah, that was a little weird. They could have given it to Blade Runner. I mean, Shape of Water won best picture, right?

So why not just throw it to them? Ambers director, didn't it? Yes. I called it. Remember when I said that there was a good chance of shape of water getting best picture? Yeah. And best score as well.

So it got four in the end. Yeah. I don't think it's a score. I don't think so either It's not it was probably the second best score On that on that Well I mean Phantom thread would have been my pick

And then Was Blade Runner nominated? Because I thought that score was better Than the shape of water And then if we're gonna include things like good time That also wasn't nominated Well yeah Good time wasn't even nominated

No film didn't exist guys How'd you said in the tweet They didn't even see a good time Yeah Like they haven't proved that they even know this movie exists. That's what pissed me off the most about the Oscars. I'm convinced that the Academy is not aware of the film Good Time.

Of course not. Why would they be? Sierra acknowledgement. The biggest shock for me was Jordan Peel winning screenplay. Not that it's a bad script, Get Out. Yeah. I was like, compared to the rest of these, I think Lady Bird might have had a better script in some way.

I agree with you. In terms of dialogue. In terms of dialogue. In terms of originality, Get Out is like. Well, that's a pretty neat idea. Here's a shocker. Lady Bird won zero Oscars. That I was kind of happy about it to.

Even though I say had a better script. Because Lady Bird didn't deserve shit and it didn't get shit. It was a fun coming-of-age comedy and that's all it was. And everyone needs to shut the fuck up about it. Sorry. How do you feel about the best picture winner

being a Yif fan fiction? I know you're happy about it. It's progress. I'm about it. It is. We're finally making progress, everybody. We did it. Yiff won!

We did it. Yif won at the Oscars. My God. I don't remember what happened. It's 2018. I just like Guillermo's acceptance speech as all. He just comes across as really genuine to him. He's the nice.

He's so nice. Such a nice guy. There's no point getting too excited or too upset about the fucking Oscars. It doesn't mean anything really to anyone. weren't the ratings lower this year I know this from a Donald Trump tweet Yeah I know it doesn't matter I don't give a shit if the ratings are lower or higher

It's not like a it's not anything newsworthy and someone argue that the entire Oscars are not newsworthy But what was really sweet to me was seeing Kojima's tweet after Guillermo won the Oscar I was like oh man that's a that's a friendly relationship right there he's just he you know he posted a picture of his friend went in the Oscar and had some sentimental short sentence like thank you my good friend I'm proud of you sort of thing and I was like ah oh that's sweet it's so sweet and this is

gonna give a lot of hype for their new collaborative death stranding or whatever that's true you know that's gonna give a lot of cred I heard it's coming out in 20 years that's what someone said oh that's fine probably so this is going to be the best game ever apparently and that's kind of why the Oscars matters a little because now best picture best director winner Gairmore del Toro I predict we'll have a lot easier time getting his projects funded in ways that he'll have more creative control You know that's that's why the shit matters is because money matters unfortunately But you know, it's just a part of it I'll never argue they're not a good thing But they're they're fucking boring

I've never seenly boring I've just I've never never been asked to do to watch the whole thing I just watch the like best of clips on YouTube You know what pisses me off is like they just they cut people off for their acceptance speeches and the guy at the the very end too like the who just won best picture how much of the fucking Oscars was just random clips of movies that had nothing to do with anything you know how much there were three or four of those you're short for time you're gonna fill up the entire Oscars with a bunch of bullshit yeah like the person can't give them going into the theater with the peasants oh god that was so bad hey everybody

we're interacting with normal poor people ha ha ha that's been the joke Every single fucking time. The last three years of the Oscars, that's been the gag, is we're interacting with normal peasants. Ha ha! Let's throw candy at them. Yeah. I ordered a pizza.

Ha-ha. We're so hard. We hang out with our fans. Oh, fuck. It's crazy, because, like, in their perspective, in their fucking insane, privileged, rich bubble, they're thinking, wow, this is really crazy what we're doing. We're interacting with normal people. We're so cool.

We're really nice to our fans. How nice. Fuck and fuck the Oscars. Fuck all of it. Let's move on. Good, good call, Alex. What's next? Oh, is the film next?

Are we going to talk about... We could. Unless you have anything else that you wanted to throw in. All right, so... This is Alex's movie. Let him introduce it. I was literally just going to introduce Alex introducing the movie. Oh, I thought you were going to introduce the movie.

I'm like, Adam. I was just going to... I was just going to say, Alex, do you want to describe the movie? Because we had a lot of comments saying that we should include descriptions. Yeah, I thought you should describe it. I can give a loose description of what the film's about. So, this is England. It's a very English movie.

It came out in 2006 by director Shane Meadows. It's about a young boy in the 80s who, well, for those who don't know, England in the 80s had a very, very high percentage of jobless people who felt very lost and there was all this stuff with the wars and blah blah blah. This is a spoiler conversation, by the way, everybody. Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll get into spoilers in a moment. But it's just kind of a character's study about the working class during the 80s. And things happen and it's very sad and upsetting.

But also kind of uplifting at the same time. Let's talk about it. I don't want to get directly into the spoilers in terms of like the story. Do we or? Well, I mean, we kind of do. This is a spoiler. It doesn't really have a story as much as it is kind of I mean, scenes. I don't know to say about it. But yeah like like really it's just kind of watching a kid live life Yeah, I mean as much of a story as something like train spotting does, you know, where it's just kind of Yeah, it's like there's a it's the nine it's nine eight eighteenth three it were in Brit bong land um, um, Kids like 10 years old.

He leaves the house one day. He says, Mom, I'm going to be the very best like no one ever was. He meets another man who says, are you a boy or a girl? Welcome to the world of Pokemon. I thought you're actually doing it for a minute. I was like, what the fuck you're talking about?

You want to become a skinhead Pokemon? That's jigglypuff. We all know it. Well, I don't know. What did you guys think? I don't know what you guys thought. Oh, I loved it. I thought it was great.

Yeah. Yeah. What surprised me was how realistic the conversations were. And right away from the... That's one of my favorite things about it. The conversation under the bridge where they're fighting over where to sit, that's just one of those weird kind of like quirky conversation things that you would think you would never be able to write. And who knows, maybe a decent amount of this was kind of improvised. I don't know.

It felt like that. Yeah. It was just one of those very genuine kind of things where you believed the characters that were in the movie. And for a film that is on such a touchy subject matter and talking about serious issues, I'm very impressed that they didn't completely dehumanize people in the film that you're not supposed to agree with. I'm glad that they had real characters Yeah

Would you say it almost Feels documentary like Because of how well they nailed The natural way The conversations would play out Absolutely Yeah in ways People would have like two conversations

At the same time in the movie Like talking or arguing With each other about different things It was excellent The dialogue and acting were excellent Especially the kid Which I wasn't expecting. Oh yeah, very good.

But he was really good. I mean, some of his fake crying was a little unconvincing, but like, for the most part. I was never, uh, I was actually never unconvinced. I didn't, I never thought it was fake crying. It didn't take me out of the movie, but I was like, eh, you'd probably be a little more upset. I never thought a moment where I felt.

There's something that happens at the end that he's good in that. But there's, um, trying to think of another point. Um, when he's, when he's talking about his dad, like, uh, I love that scene as well. Yeah. Me, pat, I don't know. It's a minor thing. I'm not going to complain about it too much.

He's the first time actor as well. Oh, nice. Ralph, was I correct in my assumption that you would need subtitles? Oh, absolutely. Like the first scene, I was like, what the fuck are they saying? The British slang was crazy. I'd never heard any of those words. But the thing is, they did such a good job delivering the lines that I was laughing at the British slang,

even though I didn't know what it meant. It was very charming. This movie, it's a beautiful balance of comedy and tragedy because these people, even though they're horrible, some of them, I mean, some of them aren't, but some of them are really just shit human beings. They really are likable and funny at times. And you totally get why this kid would gravitate toward.

What's the main, the combo? Yeah, combo was the main guy, right? Yeah. He was excellent. Oh, yeah. Really charismatic and interesting. He was in Snatch. Yeah.

He was. I know I'm from as Al Capone in Boardwalk Empire. Yeah. Another good show, which Adam probably hates. I haven't seen it. But I probably would hate it. Yeah. I really enjoyed how well it captured styles from the time period.

If I didn't know that this was a film from 2006, then you might have been able to convince me that it was from much earlier, possibly the 90s or 80s. The mother's hair, especially, like, that's straight out of the fucking 80s. What about like the goth girl with the ridiculous makeup? Oh, yeah. Oh my god, she looked like fucking Harley Quinn. Lowell? No, no, no, no, no.

What was her name? Smelly or smell. Yeah. Oh, man. Alex, is there, are we missing something here where the, where the, you know, the, you know, word lull is supposed to mean something in 1983? Yeah, they call her lull because her, they call her lollipop. Oh!

It's short for lollipop. Oh, it's a British, weird, stupid thing. Yeah. I didn't think it's anything to do with being British. They all have weird nicknames, that combo. My brother told me lull meant, like, relaxed in slang or something, but apparently that's wrong, too. My brother also thought they shot the movie in the 80s, so proving, proving you guys your point

correct that. It looks like a film from that era. Really impressive. I was very impressed from the beginning with that very realistic punch to the face. I was like, did they just hit them in the face? All the violence. Because it didn't even look cheated. It looked, that was a realistic punch.

You don't see those that often. Fuck. Yeah, I'd say the violence is part, it's like key to a lot of the emotional weight. Like, it's so important. And if it looked shitty, then the impact would be real, really taken away from it. Absolutely, but it looks amazing. Alex, you mentioned that it's a kind of a personal movie to you.

Would you mind talking about your experience and how you found the film and stuff like that? When it came out, it was kind of a big deal. And I don't know if you guys know this, but there's a, like a mini-series. Yes. That extends on from it. Oh, really? Three miniseries. I think they're all directed by Meadows as well.

This is England 88 86 and 90 It's credited on some episodes at least Yeah I think you wrote the whole thing at least But it's one of the most Brilliantly constructed bits of drama I think I've ever seen in terms of This characterful story It feels so real

Like the whole show continues on with the same tone It's slightly more comedic at first But it does go to the same kind of dark places As this movie But it continues And because of the length of the length of time, it's been spun across. So the original was 2006 and the show only wrapped up in 2015. So that's a huge portion of time to follow these characters through. That's crazy.

So the emotional beats throughout the show that is so hard to describe without seeing because it's just so poignant. Picture the points of drama in this is England, but then add in way more character development, way more story beats and just the time that's And I just love how they managed to get this intense drama without it even feeling remotely melodramatic at all. There's nothing contrived about it. It's all very natural. And it just feels like you're watching people. Yeah.

It's really, really impactful to me. And I'd recommend anyone to go and watch not only the film, but try and seek out the shows as well. I saw some people were struggling to actually find the film, which is annoying. If you're outside of the UK. I don't know if you guys had any trouble getting hold of it I didn't but I did see there were multiple movies Well I can tell you what I didn't do I definitely did not download an illegal copy of that film because that would be wrong I didn't I didn't do that

And the series as well. I don't know how the hell you'd Watch those without being in the UK yeah and just stream them off a off a website legally here I don't know how I mean I don't see any reason why these things just can't show up on iTunes just because of region shit. I know. You know like what's what's wrong with that? Why let I'll let please please let me give you money for this product I want to yeah you know I'm begging you take my money to see you want eyes on it because it's so fantastic yeah pisses me off yes I'd really really recommend that yeah and you guys say it kind of excels through its simplicity in terms of there's not there's nothing

much complex about the way's construct the film's constructed or put together. No fancy editing, particularly, or camera work or anything of the sort. It's just very cut and dry. Yeah. It's basic and grounded. But it takes so much time to develop every aspect of it. Yeah.

Because it's so simplistic. That's what makes it so brilliant. You know, I guess, I guess there are simplistic elements to the presentation, but I wouldn't even call it a simplistic movie because the complexity lies in the in the characters, you know, and the way that the story. story is told. I really, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, that's probably my favorite thing about the movie is just that they give a shit about characters, even if, even if they're supposed to be terrible

people, they're still people. And, and, yeah. Or even if they're just side characters. Like, Gadget and his relationship with the, the, the main kid was great. And how, like, they would fucking bully him and that's what led to him joining, uh, you know, a combo, like, just little things like that, that they didn't have to develop at all. They spend a good 10 minutes Just making sure you get where this guy's coming from and why he would leave his old group

Like it was brilliant It was so good So is there anything you guys didn't like about it? We kind of gushed But where do your problems lie? I'm just saying right now I don't know if I could ever Write and direct a movie

Where an adult is making out with like a 10 year old kid and film it I don't think I could ever do that. And that's fine that he decided to do that in the movie. I'm just thinking, holy shit, if those genders were swapped, he'd be in fucking jail. They'd find a way. Could you imagine some, like, 20-year-old dude making out with a 10-year-old girl in a movie? It doesn't matter if it's... It doesn't matter if it's, like, for the art or not.

That was weird. Yeah. I think she was actually underage as well. No, that was her birthday. So and a character remarks that oh you're finally legal now to her No I'm talking about the actors Yeah that's right I mean because they were making it I thought that was great and then she goes to want to suck my tits like I thought yeah Yeah, yeah you did film a make-out scene between

Yeah, a young woman and a very young boy Yeah, that that's weird I'm not saying ban it I'm just I'm just saying like I would never be able to do that No matter how much Integrity I would have over my vision I would be like, you know, this would blow up in my face in like two years. Someone would turn this into something where I'm some sort of like pedophile pervert now or something, you know?

I would never want to do that. It didn't even use camera tricks on it. Like there was a close-up and you could fucking tell. Like, are they doing VFX work on this? Is James Cameron doing something? Oh, yeah. It was all digital. It was impressive.

Man, that seems pretty good, though, to be fair. Yeah, that's not like a, a, a, serious criticism of the film. I just, holy crap. I could never do that. Yeah. Never ever. Just as to the scummy kind of.

Do you have any serious criticisms? Some of, well, okay, the one guitar song from the movie, like this, the score was great for the most part. Was very surprised to see Ludovicho Aynotti's name in the credits for the score before the film. Once the film started and the piano songs started playing, it was very a pageant. I don't know if you guys are familiar with this composer. I'm not, no.

He mostly does piano compositions, and he has entire albums that have nothing to do with movies where he'll write and perform an entire piano composition album, where it's literally just like nothing but piano, or sometimes, like, you know, string instruments. And there's a song many made called Experience from his album in a time lapse that was used at the end of the Xavier Dolan film,

Mommy. So it wasn't written for the film. And so that one song is probably his most popular. It's been used in like fucking car commercials now and shit, but awesome composer. I don't know if he's responsible for composing that one guitar song that happened when

a kid was like on the beach, I think. Not at the end. Well, the beginning. Yeah, near the beginning. Like, it just kind of felt like a little overbearing and cheesy at points. However, I feel like most of the use usage of music was actually very appropriate and worked out really well. I actually um for that song experience um I actually have it queued up on my laptop let me uh let me just show you

guys a little bit of it and I think I think we can show a little sample here hold on oh okay wow yeah this part of the really made the seem powerful didn't it mm-hmm oh I'm gonna cry that's what I was practicing well I was waiting for you guys today. Jesus. I was beautiful. I'm just going to learn that on the recorder. That's our new theme song for Sardonic.

It's already copyrighted though. The melody is from another song that... We'll buy the rights. People in the comments will point out what song that was. But seriously, he's a great composer

and I feel like especially near the end when the violence is happening Yeah, I was going to say that. There was a moment where when combo, you could tell what was happening and you could see it in his eyes, like he was getting seriously disturbed by this, you know, otherwise innocent story being told. I felt like the music came in too soon for that.

Like the, I would have rather have had the experience of noticing it, which it would still be very obvious what's happening. but I would have liked, I would have preferred to have seen it in his eyes without the music being overbearing. However, once the violence actually started and the music was still going, I was like, okay, well, this music fits perfectly with this. Yeah, I just, I feel like it started in a little too early and kind of was a little manipulative at the beginning. Yeah, that's my only complaint. Well, I have two. the music I think did a lot of the thinking for you at times. Yeah.

Like at that part, I would have preferred if it was just no music at all. I think it would have been much more effective like that. Like you said, Adam, the guitar, whatever that was, I didn't like that either. But I liked most of the music in it. And I didn't like the very ending. The way it ended, I thought was a little... Not the kids, you know, not what he does. but like just

well he's got to throw the flag in the ocean and look at the camera I'm like all right like you could have thought of something else it felt like they filmed all this great shit and they're like okay so now what do we do and they're like let's have me throw the flag on the ocean I'm like yeah I get it but I would complain more about that

if it were an adult but I don't think it's that unreasonable for a kid to do even though it is like you know it almost seems like a cliche 80s movie in a sense, but maybe that's what it's trying to be. Who knows? Because it's set in the 80s. I mean, it does make sense as well, because

Combo gave him that, and Combo just did the most horrific thing he's ever seen. I was just thinking a much more subtle, simplistic way of just getting that same message across. That would have been much more effective. Because that's the whole movie. The movie doesn't do anything else. That's like movie like that.

You know? Yeah. Yeah. And that just felt like, oh, it's a movie and he's going to look at the camera. And it's like, it's not as bad. but it reminded me of the end of Florida Project a little bit. Not, again, a Florida project brings it to the extreme. But that's it. I think aside from that, this movie is almost perfect.

I really enjoyed the performance from Combo when he is talking to this girl and how he's like, yeah, that was the best night of my life. And she's like, really, it was the worst of mine. Like, I was underaged and drunk. And the way he reacts in that, in that, like when she exits the vehicle and he's having this freak out but it's not a stereotypical freak out

it's not like scream at the top of my lungs and hit the dash kind of freak out it's like you can see the character trying to fight back his own emotions and trying to hold it in I love that so much just just that genuine performance there where it's like this is real

you know it's not even it's not even a fucking character anymore there was a scene at the end of mommy that was just like that there's Francis Concierge at the beginning of six feet under in episode one where she's just like she's making animal noises basically or like Monique at the end of precious a otherwise terrible movie, but she, you know, her emotion at the end in the film is just like,

I love things like that where the kid, you can tell the actor is like feeling it, you know? Yeah. It's just so real. So I love that. The way that scene was shot too was. Oh, yeah. It was very similar to the way

that he shot the scene with combo and when the kid were in the car and they were talking about their fathers. It was like extreme close up. Like, these characters are getting so uncomfortably close. with each other, that it becomes almost like, oh man, back the camera. It makes you kind of unnerved. It was so brilliant.

Every artistic choice was so smart. I really love how well it captured the psychology of both the child needing and longing for validation from father figures coming from a fatherless home. And also the psychology of those that are manipulating him So many movies would write the same general story but would essentially have the manipulator characters They would essentially have them you know like fucking twiddle in their fingers like ha ha ha like not necessarily like that's exaggerative But it would be there's so many other films that that would make their intentions a lot more black and white and say like look at how their trying to use this kid and like they're just trying to get money out of him and get

him to do this and this and like run all these errands or something like that. When in reality in this film it was a lot more gray in terms of what their intentions were. Like they were manipulating him just the same. But the characters were written in such a way where I felt that they wanted companionship too. That maybe you know

that they didn't realize just how much they were manipulating this kid or they didn't really see anything wrong with it. And they were just people that thought, like, oh, yeah, he's one of us now. Let's let this kid, you know, they brought him in. Maybe they did feel bad for him that he was being bullied, you know?

Even though these are terrible people that you should not be manipulating these kids with your views. Like, obviously, this is a terrible thing. But I don't think that these characters were written in such a way that their intentions were so black and white, if that makes sense. Yeah, they're like real people. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. They have many reasons for the things they're doing. I mean, it's a little manipulative, but they also genuinely care for the kid.

And Combo never had a father figure either, really. So he's like, oh, this kid reminds me of me. I'm going to be his father figure. I'm going to show him the light. A lot of people don't want to admit this, but this is just how people are, no matter how disgusting they are. You know, the, what's that quote? like the path to hell is paved with good intentions or something like that.

I mean, I mean, like everybody looks at themselves as being justified in what they do. And not everyone is just this stereotypical villain that thinks like, ha ha, this is how I'll take advantage of this person, blah, blah, blah. A lot of them are just in their own fucked up situation and still terrible people,

but are not aware that what they're doing is terrible, you know? Yeah, they think what they're doing is right. They thought they were saving the- Of course, yeah. Like all these damn packages. Yeah, it's the chain of manipulation where they're like manipulating the kid. And then there's the scene in the pub with the guy from whatever the political party was at time.

I can't remember. And where he's just believing all of this bullshit from this guy. And they're all chanting along to the political nonsense. And it's just like this chain of manipulation. It's all this horrible result of the way the country was in that year. Yeah. Have you guys seen American History X? Of course.

I have you. It's the American version of this. British History X. Yes. I never got much out of American History X because I thought it was corny and simplistic. I haven't seen it in a long time. He's a Nazi, but he becomes a good guy. I'm like, oh, okay.

This is like what I wanted out of American History X. Yeah. Where it was brutal and realistic and grounded, but everyone was very likable and had a lot of layers to them. Like an onion. A lot of layers. Like an onion. Donkie! Donkey!

Donkey! I just like how every character has... I was gonna do Smashmouth, I'm sorry. Fuck you. Just play it in the background, score my little monologue. Yeah, so I really like the way, uh... I remember being in primary school and seeing kids like this in the UK. Yeah, I just want to sing along now.

A little distracting. I actually thought Adam Tchalli. I actually thought Adam, just pulled up a recording of him. No, I have a recorder in front of me. Oh my God. All right, Alex, what were you fucking saying? I'm so sorry.

I was wondering if you guys would get the same thing in terms of what I'm about to say out of it. But I remember meeting people in primary school and secondary school that are like the characters from this movie. You see people you've known in. in your past and when you've been growing up in each one of these characters in some way maybe in the film they're a bit exaggerated compared to the ones you'd meet in real life but you see little hints of people you've known

well I know like you were raised by skinheads so that makes sense but yeah yeah yeah totally yeah I agree in some sense there are other movies that I would say hit that more for me than this but I did I believe I think part of the fact is set in England so yeah but I believe it yeah even though because there was always that level of disconnect where I don't know.

First of all, I didn't know this historical event at all. I didn't know about this war. I didn't know any of this shit because I'm American and I'm all about American history. I'm so in my own bubble. I was watching it. Yeah, there was, I could tell. It felt very real even though I couldn't relate to it. Could you keep up with what was going on then without any historical context?

Do you think they made it clear enough? My mom had the Wikipedia thing out eventually. started reading it out. But I got a sense like, oh, there was a war and like, yeah, these kids are all messed up. It was, it's a, it's really interesting because it's very similar to America now in some ways in terms of the immigration problem, which was like, wow, this is very relevant right now. I wouldn't even say just America now. I mean, like, it's been a thing for forever. Oh, yeah, for a while. Yeah. It's kind of, it's kind of reached a boiling point recently. Yeah. You know, There's a lot of crazy shit going on in the world.

And, you know, there's always going to be, there's always going to be racism. There's always going to be, you know, terrible things happening to countries. There's always going to be war. But you know what? On the upside, there's also always going to be memes. Yeah. And that's what's important at the end of the day. I would say so.

Convenience store scene was excellent. Oh, yeah. The kid went in. And at first, it was really funny because the kid walks in, you know, it's not going to go well. Of course at all, because they're all waiting outside combo and the rest of the crew. But the kid walks in like, yeah, what? Two bottles of whiskey and some cigars? And you're like, oh, that's kind of cute.

And then it gets really bad, really quick. Yeah, and it stops being charming. And the way that movie would just throw you back and forth. It's just excellent. I wanted the guy to actually take a poop. Yeah, me too. That was great. I love that fucking character.

He was a random guy in a leather jacket who had like almost no lines of dialogue. Just the fat guy hanging out. I really want some chocolate. Yeah, that might have been his only line in the film. I think so. And I love how the main character just thought that was the funniest thing in the world. I love how near the end of the film you can tell he was like fucking blitzed out of his mind. He's just like always shit face from that point on like, oh, okay, well, these are his role models now.

I'd say for me in terms of like problems with it, I think it takes 10, 15 minutes to really get going. and especially by the point you don't agree with that every time I've watched it I've felt it like yeah come on like like the bit on the beach you know that that kind of stuff like you're just wondering if you haven't seen it before whereabouts this is this is going because the momentum do you mean like the montage at the beginning where the kids just kind of living his life that I could see it was that went on a little too long kind of up until the the section under the bridge where he's introduced to the cast of characters everything before that is it's necessary I guess, but I didn't feel the length of it really. I guess because I've seen it so many times now

It's the only bit I'm like I just want combo to come in yeah Get this train rolling the film yeah, I thought the depiction of bullying was great Hell yeah I mean the kid was fucking hilarious when he was talking back to the ball That's true. They were very witty. Whatever crazy British slang he was saying I was like damn this kid's amazing He's saying something I know that for sure yeah Yeah, yeah it's funny I get I get the gist of it but they're like oh you blotie wanker ya poop Boop, but God, I'm like, all right, I don't know what the fuck. Can you please do more British impressions, Ralph?

Can you please just do that? Boop-a-bap-de-peep-de-boop. Wow. That's all I got. That's-American's notoriously bad at doing English accents. Yeah, but for some reason, you guys can nail us down like nothing. Yeah, we're just taking all your jobs, all your acting jobs. Yeah.

Hell yeah. Got to get them out. Build a wall. Build a wall. A metaphorical wall for the acting industry. I did have one question. about the movie that I kind of felt was a little bit of a nitpicky, I don't know, I guess he could call it a plot hole. Gadgett just shows up at the main character's house, but he never gave him the address.

Is that just because the town's so small? Like, they just know, like, it was implied that they never, that they didn't know who he was before. And I just found that weird that he's like, okay, goodbye. And then later Gadget just shows up at his house. It's like, well, they showed the full conversation. He never said where he lives. Yeah, that makes me think that maybe something was cut. probably that's what it felt like

It felt like they knew the kid right So they probably knew where he lived They probably walked him home before Just because they ask him his name in that scene Yeah they asked him his name and that's it It's like it's uh I don't think it implied that they knew Who he was or where to find him I just found it weird that they just that he literally just shows up at his house

As though that was established at all Yeah I think maybe what they were going for is that a passage of time had passed Maybe I don't know Maybe they went to the same school A more nipicky thing One more nitpicky thing I was

There's way too many shots of them Walking toward the camera in slow motion As a group Oh yeah The one where they're literally starting From like where were you walking from That was a wall over there There was like a wall behind

I was like yeah Where the fuck you walking from Were you just like Hanging out fucking King of the Hill style And you just decided Okay let's walk in sync Hell yeah Yeah that was a bit cheesy

But who knows? Maybe Maybe just, you know, trying to give it as much credit as possible Perhaps it's kind of an homage to cheesy 80s shit Or did that only get popularized in reservoir dogs? Was that like the first popular time that happened? How many times did that happen before? Anyway, that was like 94 or something, 91. Again, that felt like, oh, this is a movie now

And the rest of it wasn't, it didn't even feel like a movie. It felt like just fucking guys hanging out. Yeah, as much as I love Ludo Vichho, Ainaudi and his compositions, there were I don't feel like music was always appropriately used in the film and I kind of touched on that but like there were there were some kind of weird

montage bits that I didn't feel made the film any better they were mainly just there to show passage passage of time but they could have been shorter and they could have used the different music maybe I mean we're netpicking now this movie's pretty fantastic but

sorry I'm Part of 10 Out of 10 I don't know I use letterbox now I don't do ratings Out of 10

I give it 5 stars Oh fuck I'm changing my life Are you gonna put that At the end of your videos now Like star ratings That's funny

People ask why you made the transition Yeah I prefer star ratings more Yeah I prefer star ratings I mean If it's out of 5 and you're going by half It's the same thing Yeah I mentioned last

I think last podcast I mentioned that I gave no I mentioned in the first podcast I gave at TIF I gave my tickets to the darkest hour to channel Chriswell and when I the comments were like whoa you know

Chanel Creswell but that's not what I meant I meant channel Chriswell as in the YouTube channel channel Chriswell but there's a Chanel there's a Chanel Creswell who is in this film this is England that people thought of it yeah that

that people thought I was talking about. They're like, oh, you know Chanel Creswell? That's one of my favorite actresses. I was like, no. No, I don't. But now she's in this movie, so it's... Oh, yeah. It's all... It's like poetry. It rhymes. I didn't even notice that when you said that.

Yeah. People thought it was Chanel Creswell. That's such a weird coincidence. Channel Creswell. That seems like something just one guy commented and you made a big deal on. There was a few. There were a few comments, and they seemed genuine. And only like an English name could be that

weird to happen to sound. the same is that channel. Who was Chanel Criswell? Who was Chanel in the movie? Was that Lull or? She's only a minor character in the movie. Yeah, she plays someone called Kelly. Which I don't even remember who the fuck that was.

No. A lot of the side characters have only developed in the show. All right. And she's one of those. Do we have anything else to say about this movie? I'll give it a out of ten rating. Watch it. I don't.

So how many stars? Four and a half stars, I think. I think this is excellent. Nice. I'm and I'm giving this one an eight out of ten What about you Alex? I guess you abstain from that I'd give it five I love it. Oh shit Freaking a ten damn. Oh yeah, that's good

Five star yeah five stars Five stars out of ten Ten out of ten Yeah I think it's excellent especially I'm somewhat I don't know it really changes it when you've seen the the show as well Oh yeah, I would love to check out the show Yeah, yeah And it's only short as well

Like every It's like four episodes And one season's three episodes Oh, it's one of your weird British shows Where they make like seasons That are two episodes along They're not called seasons They're called series Ralph

Oh this that's fucking dumb Yeah Listen we invented TV all right We need the rules God damn it Yeah We invented words Yeah that's

Everybody watch it Unless you don't like watching people getting beat up a lot. Do your best voice from Mrs. England, your impression. Hello, my name is Rolf. Why did you say a name like Rolf?

Yeah, I just heard that. Hello. Hello, governor. You do yours, Adam. You try and imitate my version of English. My name is Adam. My name is Adam. No, I can't fucking do it.

I don't have to practice. Yeah, it's so hard. But Alex can do an American one pretty well Oh, do it What do you want me to say? My name is Alex My name's Alex My name's Alex

Say more Do more I need like something to actually say The lyrics to smash mouth All Star So I have to sing it No Just say it

Somebody once told me Somebody once told me Somebody once told me Oh wow He sound way more nasally when you do the American. Yeah, he sounds way more nasally. For some reason, American equals nasally. You just got to talk like this now.

I don't really. My name is Ralph, the movie maker here. Oh, that's great. Coming in for you from Queens. Help. You could pull that off. You should do an entire review like that. That's what you should have done for the game you were in.

Yeah, you're right. Watch out, guys. Enemies are on the way. That was the funniest part. They cast you as an Asian-American, and you're like, I'm literally not either at this. Yeah, yeah. What do you want from me?

That's funny. Yeah, like, why the fuck? Just change the character model's eyes. And that's it. And you're good. And I'll be through, they're like, don't fucking do American anymore. Just do what you want.

You're a British Asian. You're a British Asian. Yeah. Oh man. I mean, those exist, right? British. British. You always go to the, uh, the cockney.

I don't know. I know. No one speaks that. Well, I know a couple of people that do actually. I really like, uh, wonder shows and I almost sounded like Michael Kane there. What the fuck. I really like Wunderset Showson. I like, I like trying spotting.

Uh, Halo 3. Uh, Odd World. Oh, fuck I can't. I see, I would need to practice it. Like there's, there's, um, There's like certain sounds that if I just you know practiced it and got more consistent I could do it You know I could do it a lot better when I was in fucking drama class in high school Like I wasn't as that they made you do it in drama class

Well yeah different actions I mean that's not like it's not a forced thing but it's part of the curriculum is different accents You know because that's part of acting really I never did drama so voice Ralph did you do you go through some questions I I did. And Alex has some too. Oh, shit. Interesting.

I already asked my question about Toto Toililil, so I don't have any. Okay. You're weird. It's your question. No one understands. It was in my notes. I was like, I have to see if somebody else

shares this. Okay, go on. This is from Full Moon Howling. Oh, by the way, you got to go on Reddit to ask questions to us. Yeah, there's a designated questions thread. Yep. You ask it there.

Anyway, Fall Moon Howling asks, what are some of your best and worst theater experiences? Oh, yeah. You guys, want me to begin? Well, you guys have a little think. Oh, I know exactly what I want to say, but if you do too, you go first. Shall I do best and worst in the same, or should we all do our best and then we'll do our worst? I mean, you don't even have to do a best, really, because bests are not as interesting. It's like, oh, yeah, I just sat down, it was nice.

Okay, I've got two worsts then. It was when I saw Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Um, it was just one of the ones where the person next to you has their phone on full brightness. So you can hardly even see the movie. It was so fucking annoying. I remember that was the first time I was like, I'm so close to really having to have this lady next to me. And the other time was really recent when I saw, um, Black Panther. Nothing to do with the movie.

It was because I purposefully went to like a cheaper kind of cinema just because the tickets are cheaper there. Um, but this, it's so shit there. The screens are so shit You can actually hear the audio from the screen next door When that movie's being loud That's pretty terrible We have a lot of bad ones What was your best?

I've got two for best as well It was seeing Transformers 3 with my friends Because it was so laughably bad It was just an enjoyable moment And we probably ruined it for a bunch of people Who were there seriously watching it Yeah, that was years ago now And the other one was seeing a Blade Runner, the new one

Just because I was like I had really low expectations for some reason Because you know Rebooting all these famous franchises I was like oh, here's another one And I still gave a chance Because I saw people were liking it And I was just blown away, loved it

It was a moment that reminded me why I love movies so much That's good All right Go Well, I've had plenty of bad theatre experiences One of them would be when I saw the film Wally in City Center Mall, Edmonton, and it was the middle of the summer, and they were like, well, just to let you know, the air conditioning is not working in the theater.

And so if you want to refund before the movie starts, you can just take a refund, but I was like, nah, I can just, you know, how bad could it be? But the theater was packed, and it was the middle of the summer. And it was fine for the first like 20 minutes half an hour But then you're already invested in the movie and yeah as it starts getting terrible like the entire fucking room is just heated up with like hundreds of just Sweaty people and it was it was like a sauna and I could feel the humidity of this of the sweat and it was just is a very painful experience to sit through but I watched the whole movie and it was pretty decent I don't regret it But now I know that if ever again

There is a time where they say the air conditioning is not working Would you like to get a refund? I should probably say yes and go to a different theater Because yeah that was not fun There's been a bunch of times where people have just been random assholes There was a guy texting in the Inglorious bastards in front of me and he did it so often You know I was like you're not even Why are you even here? You're not even watching the movie

So I snapped and I I poured my red bull down his shirt and Really? Yeah What did he do? He did nothing because he was beta. He wiped the back of his neck and I guess he was just too scared that I might be some like crazy person Which I kind of am. He didn't even look at me.

He like he almost turned around and he was like he just patted the back of his neck and then put down his phone for the rest of the movie I was like, yes. So he knew he was waiting for someone to call him out. I guess so. A little pussy. Yeah, I don't often do shit like that. I don't know why that happened. Sometimes I'll like tap on a person and be like, excuse me, what the fuck.

Oh, God. That happened during Darren Arodofsky's mother at Toronto Film Festival, a place where you would expect, like, Toronto Film Festival has some of the best audiences when it comes to. Oh, yeah, like some of the best audiences for movies at Toronto Film Festival. But this one old lady who was just chatting with her friend next to. to her and just would comment on everything I was like oh and then her phone went off like three times and it

like it would ring and she'd be like and just like you know press a button and then it would start ringing again like 10 minutes later and like everybody in the theater was like oh my fucking God but I was at a point where I was like you know what this shit has happened to me so many fucking times

that you gotta just you gotta just get yourself in the mindset that it doesn't fucking matter and I watched the movie and I a great experience with the movie. And anytime she would do some annoying shit, I would think that's kind of fucking funny. And I think it's going to bother other people more than it's going to bother me because I'm not going to let this ruin my experience.

And that's honestly, I feel like the best way to go about it. If you've tried and you've made it clear that they're being a nuisance and they're not going to stop and this is just what you're locked into for the next hour, then you might as well just try to fucking enjoy it and just have a good time. Best theater experience. hands down. I was a big fan of the jackass movies and show.

The movies in particular, I found the first and second one to be, the second one especially to be absolutely hilarious especially when I was younger. But the issue was, for the second film, it was rated R in Canada. And so our version of R

is basically the American version of NC17. So our other rate, the rating systems that we have is it goes PG I think there's G also like G PG 14A and 18A so we don't have PG 13 and we don't have

R well we do have R but it's not the other R so our yeah your NC17 is RR so in the same sense that an NC17 rating in America means that you have to have your own ID and be over 18 to get into the theater like you couldn't do it with an adult for NC17 in America

America. In that same sense, rated R in Canada is that way as well. So 18A, it's, you could be a kid as long as you're with a parent, but rated R in Canada, which very few films are rated R in Canada. You need to be your own adult and have your ID showing up to the theater. So I wanted to get into Jackass number two when it was out, but I was in 18 yet. So I was like, ah, shit, I had to catch it when it was out on video. And I would have loved to have seen that in the theater because it's just such a, funny, hilarious experience. And I'm sure I was positive that the crowd experience would have made me enjoy it a lot more, too. And so it's coming up to the jackass 3D release date. I'm 18 by this point. I had turned 18 earlier that year, I think. And I was like, well, shit, this is our chance. We got to do it.

And so I got myself and two friends together. And I was like, okay, Thursday night opening shows. showing we're doing it they came over to my house we bought a bunch of liquor we just bought like a bunch of jack daniels because i mean you can you can drink at 18 in alberta if anybody's curious um you can buy yeah you can buy liquor at 18 in alberta canada um and it's 19 for a lot of the other provinces um but anyway we bought a bunch of liquor uh and then i look on the computer and it's like what there's no showings for jackass 3d tonight. Look in the newspaper

and no showings like, what? I could have sworn there would be an opening Thursday night showing because it's just such a huge movie, but there wasn't. And so we thought, we're going to continue with this. I got my friends to spend the night at my house. First thing

tomorrow morning, we're catching the noon or 1 p.m. show, whichever one, the earliest thing we possibly can. We're going to jackass 3D, and we're getting shit-faced. And And so that night before we went to the theater, we had constructed these masks made out of old posters because I worked at a lot of movie places.

So I had a bunch of posters lying around. And I also had a bunch of old 3D glasses from other films that I had seen. And so we did a little bit of construction and we essentially formed the posters over the glasses in a way where we made a mask. mask and the whole idea behind that, it was really stupid but kind of funny. The whole idea behind that is that Shay, my friend Shay, who I mentioned in a lot of my earlier videos, he was like,

man, I don't really like being able to see out of the peripherals when you're watching a movie, you know, like I don't like seeing what's on my side. So that's why we decided to make these masks is to basically block out our peripherals so that we're only seeing through the lenses of the 3D, 3D glasses. So they had some weird kind of like alien looking masks. They there's looked cooler and put a lot more effort into it than mine mine was just I replaced the eyes of Vigo Mortensen on a Lord of the Rings poster with the glasses But his face was so stupidly small that it looked hilarious anyway so we wake up We grab all of our fucking booze We have all these we have these gigantic coats because it's Edmonton

And we just sneak all of our shit we go on to public transit with all this booze and we're literally just taking shots at at the bus stop because we're young and stupid at like noon and we get onto the bus and we have our masks on we made a couple friends from people just being like why you have these masks on oh that's interesting just having a good time get to the theater they obviously ask us to take our masks off to check ID and get inside successfully sneak everything in snuck some food in we got the bottle of jack Daniels we put a fucking movie theater straw in it locked in good to fucking go Watched the movie. It was hilarious.

I was drunk. I was having so much fun. It was everything that I wanted it to be out of the experience that I was longing for, this jackass 3D experience. However, there was only a couple other people in the theater because it was like the nude show, but I was so drunk that I didn't care. And my one friend, Michael, who is much smaller than me and who I have never known him to be able to keep up with me in terms of liquor because we have very different metabolisms and body sizes.

About halfway through the movie, I've decided, okay, I'm good, I'm too drunk, this is fine, I'm comfortable where I'm at because this is getting ridiculous and I want to enjoy the movie. He continues, and he is literally just tapping me on the shoulder every five minutes, like, just pass it, just pass it, just pass this bottle. I'm like, okay, like, I don't know, I've stopped drinking a while ago. This is interesting. End credits roll. The lights come up and they're playing the blooper reel of everything in the movie.

Michael leans forward and starts profusely vomiting inside his mask that he was wearing. And I just lose it and I'm laughing and I'm clapping. I'm like this is the best day of my life

and Shay's laughing at him too. It's like he didn't even take off his mask. He's literally just puking inside his fucking mask and like all over his face. And we're like, oh God, this is like the end credits of the movie. It was the perfect ending.

And me and Shay were like, I guess we got to get him out of here. They're going to come to clean up the theater pretty soon. And hopefully they just think it was because something really gruesome happened in the movie, like squeamish. And that we didn't, we weren't just kids getting shit faced at noon.

So that was my best theater experience because that was just a perfect ending To the day is my friend throwing up inside of his fucking mask that we were wearing for basically no reasons Because we decided to get drunk at noon and watch Jackass 3D because there was no Thursday night showing Wow, I don't know how to top that one, but that's what she said Okay Best ones are boring Dark Night I saw Dark Night I saw Dark Night night midnight showing that was fun that's probably the best one um worst one there's a lot of bad

ones you guys are talking about people on their phones or whatever yeah just like every movie here in america everyone's just fucking rude all the time really but i have to say worst theater experience every time i see a fast and furious movie um from four to seven i don't want to shame mentally ill people at all but every time i see a fast and furious movie there's a mentally old person person in the theater. And they're very loud. Like, they yell a lot. So the fourth one was a guy yelling the whole time.

Fifth one was the same exact thing. Sixth one, a guy was yelling really loud in a full theater. Keep it mind. And then there was a kid who yelled, shut up. And then this guy got up. Oh, no. He's mentally ill. Leave him the fuck alone, kid.

And people started clapping in the middle of the movie. And then these two got in a fight in the middle of the theater. Oh, what? like not a fist fight but they were fucking yelling at each other and I was like oh my god I'm trying to watch a fast and furious movie why is this always an issue so wow the it's usually because I go to a matinee showing I'm thinking like maybe that's the correlation that like mentally ill people again I don't want to shame mentally ill people because it's not their fault right but it's very distracting in a movie when people are yelling at each other or just yelling in general so I go to a late showing of the seventh one right not many people in the theater, but then more people start coming and as it goes along. I'm like, this is kind of odd, but okay. And then there's this one guy, he's mentally ill because he's murmuring. I'm like, oh, God, another mentally ill person, okay. But he leaves the theater and comes back in, like,

repeatedly and just strolls around the theater and he has a trench coat on. And I'm thinking, oh my God, this guy's going to shoot up the theater. So I run out of the theater. America. Try to get somebody. Yeah, because I'm like terrified because this guy is like just walking around scoping out the place and then leaving. As he's going like, hmm, I'm like, oh my God. I got to get the fuck out of here.

So I called the theater people. I'm like, there's some guy just like running around the theater. I think he's going to shoot up the place. Can you please do something about it? And thankfully nothing happened, but I'd have to say, luckily when I saw the eighth one, it was okay. He had a change of heart. Maybe it was okay.

Yeah. So. I'd love the movie, did you? I'd have to say those are the worst theater-going experiences for me. Again, not shaming mentally ill people, but it's... You know, you just reminded me of one, speaking of the Dark Night. Me too. When I saw The Dark Night Rises, something happened which I just, I can't believe that it happened.

You've got to tell me if you guys have ever experienced this kind of thing happening in one of your theaters. The film began, the screen was black, and I was so excited. The sound starts playing. It's like, well, this is cool. And then it keeps going, and the screen is something. still black. Literally the film plays for 15 minutes with no with no visuals and I looked back to see where they were projecting it and they were projecting it into like the corner.

They're in a complete wrong place for 15 minutes. The employees were just watching. This is the most fucking British thing ever. No one said anything. That's so funny. Everyone just sat there in complete silence and just listened. Oh my God. And it happened when I saw Skype.

I was a lot. There's been countless times where I've been in a movie and it's a lot. there's been an issue either with the 3D or the sound or the video at the beginning of the movie. And I've learned that you just you literally just have to take initiative and like run out of your seat find the closest employee and be like, I'm in theater six. It's not working. Fix it now. Because if you don't, you're just wasting time and everybody's, you know, you're just wasting everybody's time. And nobody else is going to do it. You can't trust other people to do it. You just got to be the guy, you know? So I've ran out there and just gotten it fixed many times,

and I feel like I've made the world a better place. Why can't you have been in my theater? Oh, well, maybe someday. You reminded me of, Ralph, you reminded me of when I saw Get Out. There was somebody with some kind of, I'm assuming, a mental disability, a very old man who every time something happened in the movie, he would say, uh-oh. and it was really like nobody got pissed at him

like everybody understood what was happening that there was this guy in the corner that like you know no one's gonna scold him or anything so people just laughed and it was really funny yeah he would just say oh that's better than a guy's just fucking because these people would just yell he made things really really hilarious and awkward

and then whenever there was like a twist in the movie he would say like what the like really laugh it was great but everybody was enjoying it's like you know it's partly a comedy anyway so it's like yeah That wasn't like a terrible experience I do want to share just one more

I'll keep this one quick The same friend that puked into his His mask when we were underage For other films It was Saw 3 that we really wanted to see And this was my fucking Saw buddy He was so obsessed with the franchise And so was I

And so we snuck into the movie As we got in I was like Okay well I think what are the employees Just saw us go in there There were literally two other people In the entire theater when we snuck into this movie. And the theater was like relatively dark.

It was about to start. So I was like, okay, quick. I came up with a fantastic idea. And we sat right next to the two other adults in the theater. I took off my jacket. I put my hair in a ponytail. And he took off his jacket. So we were like wearing different clothes, essentially.

And like, I look very different with my hair back. The employees came in. They shine the flashlight. I guess just noticed a group of four that, you know, nobody in the group looked like the two kids. that they saw coming in. And so we watched through the whole movie because we snuck in successfully

because of my quick thinking. And at the very end of the film as we were watching, as we were walking out, the theater employees are about to clean up the theater. They're sitting there with the garbage bag about to go into the movie theater. One of them shouts,

those are those two fucking kids! I was like, oh! And we literally ran. We ran out of the fucking building. We literally just booked it to the chucky cheese. And it was such an amazing fucking adrenaline high. felt like I was on crack for the rest of the day.

We went to Chuckie Cheese and this nice lady gave us all of her fucking tokens. And we just hung out there. That was awesome. It was a very satisfying sneak into a movie and almost get cut kind of thing. Anyway, I guess another question or something. Yeah, that's that question. I think we did that one in a big story time question that was. Yeah, you got lucky whoever asked that question.

Some Velvet underscore Morning asks. what makes a film pretentious rather than meaningful? Pretentious rather than meaningful. I have an answer, but if you want to go first, I mean... No, not Adam, this is a good question. Yeah, you go first. When I consider something pretentious rather than meaningful, and you know, every experience is subjective,

but it's the impression that I get when I watch the movie that it has a greater sense of self-significance than it actually lives up to having. and that's when I consider something to be pretentious. It's not like, ooh, it's different or weird or anything like that. It's when I get the impression that the film thinks it's offering a lot more than it actually is or if it's making some sort of like statements that are essentially, in my opinion, really superficial or obvious, but it's presented in a way where it's almost as if the film thinks

it's some sort of grandiose, important, mind-blowing thing that it's communicating. For something to be pretentious, it has to do with what the film is expecting you to think as an audience member. If it's being like, hey, look at me, this huge thing that I'm doing and it's not really all that special. If it's like begging to be interpreted, but there isn't that much to interpret from it, that's what I would say. Yeah, I would only, because I completely agree with that, I would

only at a if you if you stylize your movie for no reason if you like unnecessary pointless flashy style Zach Snyder guy Richie those are the definition of pretentious filmmakers for me in a way I have a vision but it doesn't fucking mean anything it's just a bunch of shit I don't

I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't want to imply that you shouldn't be allowed to do things differently if it's purely for a aesthetic or preferential decisions that don't necessarily have some sort of deeper meaning, though. Yeah, but it should totally be organic to the story you're telling. Because I go to film school, and some people fucking hate Wes Anderson because they think he's pretentious, right? Because his style is, oh, he has a style and he does the same shit every time.

Yeah. He does, his style always works within the stories he's telling. And, you know, Grand Budapest is a story within a story, within a story told 100 years after the story took place, so it has that storybook feel and Moonrise Kingdoms about childhood, so you're like, all right, it's childhood, so it's all flashy and colorful and symmetrical and whatever, you know, his more pretentious ones, which is like Life Aquatic, where it's like, eh, that's just, he just did it because that's the way he does shit, you know, I would see that as pretentious. So I think there's a difference. I don't see anything wrong with having,

like, a style, you know? Oh, I don't either. I think having a style is a great thing, but it needs to make sense within the story you're telling, and you need to have a real. And you need to have a reason for doing it. And if you don't, then it's just, oh, I'm going to be cool for the sake of it. And that's what Zach Snyder does. And that's what Guy Ritchie does. I don't completely agree with you, but I do essentially agree with you. It would just, I wouldn't want to put that kind of a blanket over it, I guess. Okay. That's fair enough. What about you? I mean, I do agree with you if a film is more intelligent than it thinks it, or the movie thinks it's more intelligent than it is. That's also pretentious. Can we all name a film that we believe to be pretentious? Only God

forgives. Adam. Oh my God. Well, yeah. Jesus Christ. What is this guy named? Alex, you got to say it right now because I'm going to look this shit up right now. Yeah, what's yours, Alex?

Oh, my one. I would say mother. I think that film's quite pretentious, almost by design. It's a little pretentious. I don't think pretentious is necessarily bad, though. I think that film is pretentious by design I think like if you listen to all the interviews where he's talking about the process of that movie

and what it's about and the way he talks about it is kind of inherently pretentious and I looked up a list just out of curiosity because I was trying to think of examples what films do people consider to be pretentious and I found one of those sites where based on upvotes and down votes they were sorted by pretentiousness

number one was mother weirdly enough but there was also films that I would disagree with like Birdman was on there a serious man has reasons for being weird serious man really yeah yeah

serious man's a fucking comedy I love a serious man I love I do too I think it's excellent but it just made me realize I don't know I feel like the whole point of art is that it's kind of up to and interpretation and like one person's pretentious is another person's genius.

Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, but one person's fucking wrong! Like, you used, um, you used, um, exact Snyder, didn't you, as, as your example for pretentious? There's, there are hordes of people who think he's a genius and love everything he does, you know? Those are people who are just wrong.

I know we don't, I know we're like, oh, films are, they're just wrong. So, yeah. I, um, I found who I'm talking about. it. Okay. It's a guy named Matthew Barney. You were done talking about your thing, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's a guy named Matthew Barney, and he directed a series of films called the Creamaster Cycle, C-R-E-M-A-S-T-E-R cycle. And it started in 1995 with a 42-minute short film titled

Creamaster 4 and it's and and the the content of the films themselves are if you if you could imagine like a parody of a shitty pretentious

nonsense movie that's trying to be David Lynch but fails where it's like ooh so law so random implied significance where there is none that's what the content of these movies are creemaster 4 was his first film in 1995 That's 42 minutes long.

Creamaster 1 came after that in 1996, 40 minutes. The next film in 1997, creemaster 5, 55 minutes long. The next film after that in 99. Creamaster 2, an hour and 19 minutes. There's no story. There's no real overarching story. There's no reason for him to pretend as though there's something happening that's out of order that justifies like, ooh, creemaster 4.

That's my first film. Isn't that kind of funny? Like, ha-ha. And then Creamaster 3, a three-hour-long film in 2002. He also directed a movie called River of Fundament, which I tried watching, but it's impossible to find. It does, like, those touring museum kind of things. Like, it's shown in, like, art museums, and that's the only place it's ever seen. It's over five hours long.

The trailer on YouTube has, like, full nudity in it, like a penis in it somehow. Yum. And it stars Paul Giamatti. and Ellen Bernstein's in it Maggie Gyllenhaal's in it Jesus yeah and I wanted to see this movie because it I mean it looks retarded and Paul Tiamati's in it so I mean

I really wanted to see it and holy crap man if I ever wanted to fucking torture you guys then one of my movie recommendations for the podcast would be like the cremeister cycle if I ever wanted to put you through some serious shit it's six hours 38 minutes long yeah the cremeester cycle is six hours and 38 minutes of just fucking nonsense

fucking nonsense and annoying bullshit. Are you looking at the poster right now? If him dressed up in that stupid fucking get-up and that stupid makeup, the whole thing is just fucking nonsense. It's awful. That is the apex, the epitome of pretentious right there and I encourage

any one of our viewers to go check this out and I think you will fucking agree with me. This is some of the most pretentious shit that exists on the fucking planet. You don't have to watch the whole thing. Maybe five or six minutes. What if it's genius?

Yeah. And what if I just don't get it? I gave it a serious try. I want to add that to the definition pretentious is when a filmmaker has no concern for the enjoyment or the entertainment of the audience. I mean, I know there's a certain amount of that

that's acceptable of the audience not enjoying it. But I think there's a point where you have a six-hour-long movie that's boring and makes no sense. It only makes sense but the guy who made it. That's what I call pretentious where you're like, yeah, just go fuck yourself. You're going to act like your movie's too smart for me. Meanwhile, you don't care if anyone likes it but yourself. All right, fine. No one makes a movie like that. I would argue that there's artistic value in making a film or an art form that's supposed to elicit negative emotions. I believe that there's artistic value in intentionally

making something that people will not enjoy, you know, They won't enjoy the experience, but the experience has some sort of purpose. Going back to the guy you suck off all the time, funny games is a statement on violence in movies and how we enjoy violence and movies, and it's a thoroughly unpleasant movie, but that's by design and has a reason for being that. I'm fine with that. And it's also a fuck you to the audience who would go see a movie like that because it was marketed as one of those dumb horror movies or whatever, which is even better.

I think that's part of the reason why he did a U.S. version. That's the only film of his that he's actually done, hey, I'm remaking it for America, because really, I mean, like, America is essentially who it's for anyway. I mean, there's so much irony in the fact that he remade the movie, too. That's just another comment on movies, which I love. Yeah, it's, it is kind of funny how we've mentioned him, like, every single podcast, but part of the reasons why he's one of my favorite directors is because, you know, there's so much to say about his movies. And they apply in other conversations about film and, you know, how we watch things. and viewer expectations and presentation, et cetera, et cetera. Like, he's always, there's always something about him

that's going to be relevant to a film conversation. Yeah, like, he's a guy who could be pretentious, but he's not, because he always knows exactly what he's doing and what he's saying. People wish they were as good as him. I mean, even David Lynch, David Lynch makes some weird ass shit, but he always throws in comedy and, like, good performances and things to enjoy in his movies. Even his weirder ones are like, okay, this is keeping.

me going at least. Sorry. I think of that. Next question, I guess, unless anybody has anything else to ask? Anything else, Alex? I guess I'm just... Do you find that people

kind of throw it around a little bit sometimes? The word pretentious, of course. That's like the number one comment in like any of my top fucking movie videos, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's what kind of just ruins the impact for me. Exactly. I try to not even use it ever to describe anything,

because it just makes you sound Yeah, unless it really deserves it. Yeah, well like that fucking the cremaster cycle Yeah Like it seems like that's very much deserved there, you know Yeah Just listening to the description of it I'm like, oh my God

Oh yeah Yeah, a lot of people Throw that word onto things Where I don't want to say like Oh, they just don't get it But I believe that they're being I believe that they're being genuine And how they feel the movie is

I believe that, you know, most people that watch the Holy Mountain are going to think it's incredibly pretentious, even though I don't feel it is myself. And it just comes down to what you're familiar with in films. And I feel like the more used to formulated movies or a certain kind of movie or a certain kind of experience in a film, if you allow yourself to get really used to one particular thing and expect only one thing ever, I feel like you have a much higher likelihood of considering. something else pretentious. Yeah, like take the guy who goes and sees Fast and Furious every year and then show them the lobster. What's the one word they're going to use to describe it? Exactly.

They're going to say pretentious. Yeah, it's like when Birdman won the Oscar and all these Normies decided to watch it. Yeah. Just see the Amazon reviews. Be like, this is a wish movie I've ever fucked the sheet. I thought it was a new Marvel movie. Yeah. Yeah.

People thought it was actually a superhero movie, which is amazing and adds more to the points of the film. Yeah, like that's hilarious. Birdman's barely in it. Yeah. I thought I was seeing Harvey Birdman. All right. Next question. I guess I'm doing the next one, right?

Yeah, I don't have anything. This one's from Mr. Bump, 465. Out of all your movie reviews, have you ever rewatched a movie and felt you were initially too harsh on it or too easy on it? Yes. I think in my quickie for the Dark Night Rises, I gave it an eight, but I think I would rather give it a six at this point. Really? Yeah, maybe a seven, I don't know. I literally haven't seen it since I saw it in the theaters,

and that kind of adds to just, I'm not really eager to go check it out again, you know? Some movies age poorly, where you think it's a nine when you see it, and then over time you're like, I really have no urge to watch it again, so how good can it be, you know? You know, like an excellent movie, going back to Goodfellas, I could put that on any day,

any mood, and I'll love it. Yeah. Alex? No. My answer is no. You don't regret anything No, because I cover the worst shit that's released You know, like, so what if I was a bit too hard on

Fucking laser blast Who gives a shit Ralph you go I can't even think of one It's weird, I picked out these questions and I'm like Oh, I'll answer a later You don't think of to prepare an answer for the questions This happened last time too

Uh-huh You chose questions that you don't have any answers to You chose these. Well, like, oh, I'll think about the answer later. I'm scurrying through a list of shit right now. I don't know. Probably not. I think I'm just perfect.

I think I don't regret anything. I don't think. Yeah. All right. Oh, I do regret one. A Cloverfield paradox. I think I'd lower it to a one. Okay.

That's it. That's funny. That's hilarious. But no one gives a shit about that. Yeah. Yeah, I think all my regrets would be, like, I gave bad movies a bad score, but I would probably lower them. Yeah. Like, that's it.

Yeah. No what? Last Jedi, I think is, I think it's bad now. Hmm. I can give that a four or something. Yeah. The Dark Night Rises would be the highest, the biggest shift in terms of, like, my number rating from an eight to a six. I don't think, like, there's always been points where I've, you know, kind of moved things around or considered

something better or worse than I used to, but it's usually like just by a point and that's it. Yeah, exactly. Like little things. Yeah. There's, um... Realize a movie's one of your favorites. Yeah, and I mean, I think that I've become, I've kind of, um, valued certain things a little differently as time has gone on too. Um, so a lot of, a lot of dumb, fun movies that I really enjoyed just completely subjectively, I would rate a lot higher before, but now I'm kind of like, eh, you know,

as much as I enjoyed it, there's some glaring issues with it that would prevent a lot of others from enjoying it and I can understand why, you know? Do you ever stumble across like on IMDB, like when you had it, ratings of something you've rated years ago and you see what you'd give in it

and you're like, oh, I would not think that now? My IMDB account is like 11 or 12 years old. So there's a lot of shit like that, which is so funny because like anybody who wants to try and discredit me or anybody who hates me online is like, look at all these ratings that he gave on IMDB. I'm like, I was like, I was like

16, fuck off. I'm not going to go through every single one of my ratings and change them just so you're going to stop calling me out. There's people that share my favorite movies list. They're like, look at, there's no old movies on here. It's like, well, that was updated in like 2013,

2014 last or something. Like, that doesn't even reflect my current favorite movies. And even so, It's like, what is the word favorite? You know? Yeah. I'm not saying the best movies. I'm saying my favorite.

Anyway. My boy, Oweb says, that's his name. I didn't call him. Hey, hey, considering what types of movies and games you're like, I want to ask what type of music you guys are into and what are some of your favorite artists? Take it away. I'll go first because mine's the least dense.

I just listen to whatever music I hear in movies that I put on my iPod and that's basically it. I like Sunlux. I like Kanye West. Yeah, I think that's about it. Trent Rezner. Yeah. Those are the three I usually go to.

But yeah, it's a pretty dense library of many different things that I've heard in movies and that's about it. I've recently started listening to a band called an unkindness that I don't know, like the music's fine, I guess,

but I hear the lead singer is kind of a faggot, so... Oh, yeah, I hear he's a little furry. I'm like, I don't know about that. Not little. Not a little. No, my favorite band is Bright Eyes. I love Bright Eyes.

Just, you know, even the solo material that Connor Oberst wound up doing after the fact still doesn't resonate with me as much as what he was doing with Mike Mogus. And I just, I, the, composition, chord progression, and especially the lyricism. Very, very biting and personal and painful in ways that I relate to.

That will always make the band a very important one for me. Aside from that, some of my favorite artists, I really love early Eminem. So between his demo shit all the way up to probably the 8 Mile soundtrack, and then after that, nothing really. But yeah, those albums are amazing. I can return to them every months to year or whatever. I really love the band.

Two Galantz, T-W-O-S-G-A-L-L-A-N-T-S. I think they're severely underrated. There's, like, nobody that shows up to their shows, and I love them a lot. There's some older stuff from Joanna Newsom, although I haven't been keeping up with her as recently. There's a few albums from Regina Specter that I really love. I really love the two albums by Narls Barkley

I love the cross album by Justice I'm not stuck in one genre I love a variety of music usually just a combination of chord progression and composition versus the lyricism is what makes things important Yeah all right

I guess I'll round us off then Yeah I just chose my favorite album From a few of my favorite artists so people can kind of get a rough idea. So remain in light by the talking heads. Sound of Silver by LCD sound system. Demon Days by Gorillas. That's a great one.

Discovery by Duff Punk. I couldn't decide between animals or the wall for Pink Floyd. Just throwing both. Yeah, fuck it, both. Music of the Spheres by Ian Brown. Lonerism by Tame and Parlor. And this old dog by Mike DeMarco. and with

Roosevelt by Roosevelt Nice I want to throw in the album Illinois by Sufian Stevens and also the album Carrie and Lowell

so Sufian Stevens is the guy that wrote the soundtrack to call me by your name and lost at the Oscars and upset me well Coco was better dude fuck you

my favorite album is the Coco soundtrack I've seen the film I can't even remember the song that's basically what Coco was all right I just played a clip from the movie I didn't do anything else and that's and that's the Q&A everybody we did it good job we made it holy fuck is the time for a movie recommendation yes it I believe it is curious about this one who by curious I kind of wanted

to combine the themes of you two. So, Alex kind of picked a very, a very British movie. So I'm going to pick a very American movie. Yeah. And you, Adam, you picked some weird ass fucking movie. So I wanted to pick a weird ass weird movie.

Great. So, hold on. Pull it up here. Perfect. Okay, so the film I picked for you guys to watch, you've probably seen it. I'm guessing one of you has, at least, is Wild at Heart from 1990, directed by David Lynch.

You know what? What? I've been meaning to get into more earlier Lynch films, and I haven't seen it yet, so I'm excited. Yes, in my watch list. It's on my watch list. Nice. Got another one.

Laura Dern. Nicholas Cage, Laura Dern. It's a wonderful cross-country movie. It's about the American Dream. It's hilarious and weird. It's beautiful. Nice. Awesome.

Good pick. It'll help you guys get into David Lynch, because there are some of our fans who have not seen any David Lynch, and I think this is one of his less weird ones. I mean, it's still fucking weird. Very interesting. It's more accessible. So I hope you guys enjoy it and we'll talk about it.

Everybody, you'll have two weeks before the next episode airs. Check out the movie because we're going to be having a spoilery discussion on Wild at Heart directed by David Lynch 1990. It won the Palm to Ore. Palm to Orr. What is it called? How do you say it? Well, I'm going to try and do. it the best I can.

The palm d'or. Palm d'Or. It won the palm de ore, everybody. Palm de or. The palm d'or. It won the palm to ore. At least I think it did. The Pompadom.

Palm d'am. French is fucking weird, man. You got to like, you got to like, in some instances. Do you. Nicholas Cage is some of his best moments in this movie. Perfect. I cannot fucking wait. Awesome.

Good pick. It's not six hours long. So yeah, I guess that about concludes this episode of Sardana cast. We had some, you know, fun times. We shared our stories. We laughed. We cried. We made a lot of progress. Yiff won at the Oscars. Ralph came out of the closet again.

So we'll see you next. This is that happened, but okay. Well, okay. Well, there's a Twitch clip saying otherwise, but okay. If you want to go back in All right Any last words Well yeah if you want to support us

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We will see you Next week did I forget anything No No last words Alex no Adam no I just want to say

I highly recommend the movie Bob great channel oh fuck well you did it goodbye play us out

do your best company accent and sing along all right godnigh I'm from everybody bye bye

bye bye bye bye bye bye bye everybody