Sardonicast - Sardonicast #04: Marvel Movies, Wild at Heart

Episode Date: March 28, 2018

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All right, three, two, one. Hello, everyone. This is running on empty food review. You're already starting to run out of these. Well, you know, that's a popular one. I don't know if you guys are aware of that. I've never heard of that one. Who's the report of the week?

You've never seen Report of the Week? No. He's the guy that reviews fast food while he's wearing like... The guy who looks like a salamander. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, you know who that is then. Yeah, I would say he was his name. of like a salamander.

I don't know what his name. The channel is called Report of the Week, and he's the only fast food reviewer that's doing a decent job at it. Oh, this guy. All right. Yeah, and he says the same thing at the beginning. He kind of looks like Tyrell from Mr. Robot.

Yeah. A little bit. I don't remember who Tyrell is, but... That's okay. Anyway, we're Sardonicast, and this is a podcast of people who are us, and I'm Adam from your movie sucks

I'm Alex from I hate everything I'm Ralph from Ralph the movie maker YouTube dot com slash I'm down Ralph every time yeah it's like it's like they wouldn't be able to find you unless you know yeah Alex you sound kind of different you sound yeah I don't know what I'm I'm worried now

because you make me like all self-conscious about how I sound I'm sorry I honestly I honestly I honestly didn't notice a difference. I'm diagnosing you right now. Alex, I'm sorry, you're gonna die. In fact, we're all gonna die eventually. But you're gonna die sooner. What episode is this?

Three. This is four. Oh my God. He's dying. He's lost his mind. This is your guy's fault, okay? Because being in the fucking other side of the planet with your stupid daylight saving bullshit.

I'm all thrown off now. So, yeah, we have a set time and date for when we record, obviously. And today, about 20 minutes ago, as we're setting up, it's just Ralph and I in the call, and we're like, um, what? And we asked Alex where he is. He's like, don't we record in an hour from now? And we were like, what the fuck? And I just remember, daylight savings time.

Daylight savings happened about a week ago. I don't even know if, Alex, does your country participate in daylight savings? Yeah, we do, which was going to make me ask, how does this work? I don't know. I just, I thought the whole world did it at the same time. I thought so did. It doesn't. It's not here for a while.

I'm learning something new. Like a few weeks or a month or? It's Sunday the 25th of March. It's not for another five days. Oh, it's not really. Why? That's a big gap. That's what I'm asking you guys.

That's like a two week. That's why I didn't even consider it. So we'll be in sync next episode. Okay, that's good at least. We'll be back in sync, I think. But you know, we're going to have the same problem when the next daylight savings time, we just totally forget. You gotta figure that shit out.

Uh-oh. Well, it'll be Alex who goes on the call and, like, where are you guys? Maybe. Yeah, I, um, it's kind of, it's kind of an outdated thing to do, you know? Like, daylight savings was all about farmers, you know, being able to have the maximum amount of light, or something for their grots? I think that's how it works. I think that's how it works. There must be some other reason for it.

Does it not signify the days becoming longer? Well, in terms of light. It's all to do with the light. I don't know. I feel like, who gives us shit about this? Well, it pisses me off because it's just one of those things that we do because we've been doing it for so long, and I kind of hate that mentality

of like, oh, tradition over logic. Like, if it's not relevant anymore, then maybe we shouldn't be doing it. You know, maybe we shouldn't be sacrificing animals to the sky gods at the same time. Or we could just slit the throat of a sheep and throat in the ditch and hope that our tornadoes don't happen as frequently. I just straight, I don't understand it. Like, what logic is there behind it being weeks later here compared to where you guys are?

Yeah, that too. Let us know in the Reddit, everybody. Yeah, I'm sure someone's, some goddamn expert's going to go on the comments and explain. an immense detail, but... I don't think so. I think the answer is it's just nonsense, and it doesn't... There's no point,

because there's countries that have suggested to get rid of it, and I think there's actually countries that have gotten rid of it. There might be, like, specific states or provinces in countries that have gotten rid of it on their own.

So, I know that that's at least been a discussion for many regions in the past five years. I don't know if anything's actually happened from it. But it is a discussion where people are saying, hey, daylight savings doesn't need to exist anymore. Can we stop with the bullshit? Yeah. You know?

Let's start a poll. Let's get people to vote. I've honestly never thought about this before. Like, I've always been, as you said, it's just something. You just do. You just do it because everyone says it's a thing and you should do it. Because we've always been doing it. Don't think about it.

Yeah, exactly. Don't use critical thinking. Yeah. I don't think about anything. Anyway, I'm currently tethering on my phone doing this because my internet's shit. I sent you guys my... Not permanently, just for this week.

Yeah, well, hopefully. I called my ISP and they're coming over tomorrow. But when I was on the phone with them, which was on Sunday, because it was ruining my Sunday stream, we determined that it was probably the modem. And I was like, hey, can you make sure that the guy who comes to check out my internet brings an extra modem he's like well I mean he'll come check it out and first he'll need to determine if the modem is is the issue I'm like well

can you bring a modem and if you don't need it you don't have to give it to me but if I do need it then it's there he's like oh put a note on your account I'm like oh I don't really trust that this is going to happen I I have a feeling like they're going to show up tomorrow they're going to be like yep it's the modem and then I'm going to have the reschedule for like four days from then and if it ruins my next Sunday stream I'm gonna be pissed so none of us are having a good week it's been very inconvenient for for everyone in in regard to everything I predict that every time we start the podcast it'll just be us talking about things fucking up yeah yeah how we screwed up in some way or things are bad it's good conversation

my aggravation doesn't come from anything I did it's come from our fan base recently. Good segue. Yes. Nice. Thank you. Because I usually before the podcast starts, I look at the Reddit for the questions. So I, you know, I have some questions to ask everybody for the podcast.

And this week in particular, I think our fans are retarded because literally the dumbest fucking questions have littered the Reddit thread. Really? So I sent a few to Alex, and I would like you to read some. Because these fucking questions are so ridiculous. I'm kind of, I'm really upset and aggravated out of a fan base for not doing better than this. Wow. I haven't looked at them. So this is going to be my genuine first reaction.

This is like worse. Of course. This is worse than comic comeback because it's not even like joking like, oh, are you guys gay or something? It's not like that. These are like serious, well-written questions. Well, two of us are. Well, yeah. Well, no, one of us is.

I mean, I don't know about Alex. Definitely not me. But, like, these questions are fucking... Yes, for a second you did. There's a... Oh, that too, because on the Reddit, there's a clip of me saying I'm a furry, but I'm quoting that fucking movie that you showed in your childhood trauma thing. Ralph and I were doing the Twitch stream at the Oscars,

and we were... I said that somebody looked like the owl from Rockadoodle, and I just said, jeepers, and Ralph finished the sentence saying, I'm a furry. And I was like, well, there you go. We have a clip. Yeah, and they just took that part. And then somebody posted it on Ralph's subreddit. I think that was fanboy that did that. Yes.

So, yeah, you guys are really upsetting me this week. But yeah, these are really well written, like, proper English, proper grammatical spelling, everything. But they're just fucking dumb questions. Should I name and shame these people or just leave it? Let's just read the questions because I don't want to... We also have real questions at the end of the podcast. Oh, of course. So we can't...

Let's not pretend like they're all upsetting. Oh yeah, there are like two or three good people in our Reddit thread, which I'm proud of. The rest of you, I'm really just disappointed in. Word of advice, Ralph, the absolute best way to get people on the internet to stop doing something is if you always say how much it bothers you and then everyone will stop doing it. I was going to mention that too. This is something we're never going to do again. So don't try to write really dumb questions. Okay.

We're not doing this again. I just wanted to point it out. I would delete them all by hand if I see them. Next time I'll go on it. And if they're stupid. Okay, let's start with this one. With Tomb Raider, Wonder Woman, and Black Panther, Hollywood seems to be hiring more muscular women to make movies more realistic. Does it bother you? I think it's distracting seeing women who.

look like men. That's... What the fuck? What do you want us to say to that? Yes, exactly. First of all, that's not true. I've never considered this. That is a tangled web.

That is something that you cannot answer because before you answer, you have to try and dissect what is even happening in this question. There's so much that needs to be explained here. First of all, none of the women in Wonder Woman or... in Wonder Woman or Black Panther look like men or Tomb Raider. Yeah. For what I know. Like Alicia Bikander does not look like a man. Galgadooet does not look like a man. They have like

masculine features like muscles. But they're not... Because they're superheroes. I was never like, oh my God, it looks like a man. I can't watch this. Like, what the fuck? I think I'm having a breakthrough. I think I'm beginning to understand what this person is trying to say. I think

what they mean is that they don't have as ridiculously big tits as Hollywood used to have female characters and does that bully films show because that I mean why else would they mention Tomb Raider because Tomb Raider was a thing when Angelina Jolie was yeah so if they're saying recently then I think they might be just talking about how they don't have as big tits because it's not like yeah it's not like she's more muscular than Angelina Jolie they're both of course I don't know if anything she's less

muscular I she looks fit she doesn't look like a manly bodybuilder muscular. She looks fit. She looks healthy. I just don't understand the thought process at all. I think they're complaining that the tits aren't big enough. That's my best guess. I don't know. So there we go. We ended up answering your

stupid fucking question. And someone else asked, what is some of your favorite bands and musicians to which someone replied, didn't they answer this in the last episode? And someone else said, yes. Like, come on That was like a big chunk

Sometimes you just gotta go for it And hope it works How would you rate your edginess In movie taste on a scale From zero to 10? What does that mean? I didn't realize edginess Could be rated out of 10

Like in a serious way This one seems like a sarcastic joke comment though But no, I don't think so I guess it's really hard to tell I can't tell What is he referencing? Unless he's referencing referencing my covenant video. There's a lot of people that look at the content that we make and how we're

like sort of contrarian in our opinions, you know, and we all kind of unanimously agreed on on Black Panther, just being average. There's a lot of people that look at things like that and they don't really fully understand the perspective of someone who could genuinely have those opinions. So they write them off as, ooh, they're trying to be edgy or they're trying to be different or they're trying to. I think that's kind of what they're referencing is that they probably hold beliefs that were like, ooh, la edge lords kind of people like, ooh, I only have this opinion to cause controversy, and it's not an opinion that I genuinely have. There's a lot of people that think that way, and I think that they're kind of pandering to the others in the crowd that feel that way.

But we're not even saying, we're not even praising any edgy movies. No, no, that's not. It's not like we're going like, oh, yeah, mine conf is a great book or whatever. We're not saying anything fucking edgy. We're like, yeah, we don't think Black Panther's that great of a movie. Another person asked, what's your favorite music album? So I guess there's loads of people want to know that. We fucking answered this already. Some of them are just like, what?

Like, I'm reading this one. Are any of you concerned that the lack content entering the public domain? I am. What the fuck you? What? The lack of content. No. I'm not concerned with that at all.

I am. Not even a little bit. What are you concerned? First, okay, let me hear you concerned about the lack of content entering public domain. So copyright law was not always the way that it currently is today. Originally, the copyright holder could only have rights over their intellectual property for, I think it was like 50 years. And then it changed to until the person had died, which I think is very fair. Yeah. Then it was person died plus 70.

right? Now it's plus seven. Well yeah, it's like plus 20 and then it changed to plus 70. And the entire irony behind this is that a lot of this was perpetuated by Disney, who was essentially just lobbying Congress people in the United States to change these laws for them. And the reason why that's incredibly ironic is because so many of Disney's titles like their early animation, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, etc. Those are public domain folklore fairy tales that they used to create their empire, and now they're trying to take away the ability for anybody else to do the same thing.

If copyright law was how it was and wasn't changed by Disney, then Mickey Mouse would be public domain, but right now you can't, like no one can use Mickey Mouse. It's not public domain. They're always going to have control over it, and as soon as we get up to the point in time

where they're reaching the expiry on their copyright, they'll fucking get Congress to change the law again. It'll be a never-ending cycle. So yeah, I'm concerned about it because I get that. I get that, but there's a way of phrasing that question intelligently to provoke an interesting discussion, and that is not the way this person phrased the question. Well, you just have to interpret their grammar.

You have to fill in the blanks, yeah. I just want to say one more thing on that. Go. There's, like, I love classical music, you know, I love hearing these classical themes play in films, but they get so overused at this point. And if we had more songs in the public domain, then they wouldn't be as overused. We'd have more variety in terms of royalty-free music that can be used in films. Because right now we just get the same songs over and over and it pisses me.

Yeah, we get classical music and then like early 20s music. It's like the same songs over and over. And it's like they're great songs. Classical music is awesome. But we should be adding more to the public domain. And I think that art should be something. that people can use freely and express themselves with, sure, rights holders deserve to make money off of their properties, but don't make it unlimited rights.

Well, do you think Disney's going to keep going with the lobbying? Because I think it's going to stop eventually, hopefully soon. Because how fucking long can you keep this going for? Exactly. I mean, I understand you can lobby, but it's been, what, 100 fucking years now? Like, there's a point where you got to stop. I don't think you understand how corporately run America. is. I don't think you understand

just how much power large corporations have in America. If you think that they would just like be okay and put an end to it like, oh yeah, we've had enough we could make more money, but eh, why would we? Yeah, you think that's going to happen off? Come on. They obviously want to keep lobbying, but eventually I feel like the system would go

like, all right, enough of this shit. You can't fucking prolong these things for like life plus 200 years. When America has a revolution? Yeah. When we rise again, when 1776 happens again, like Alex Jones said once in the interview of Chris Orton.

So this actually turned out to be a good question, not the best phrased. So I'll take it back. This guy. Yeah, I'll take it back for this guy. I am concerned that the lack content entering the public domain. So to round this shit off, there was one more person asking for the music thing again and they deleted their comment. And finally...

That's going to be a meme now. I was going to ask you, Alex. I'm like, do you think that person asked and then well you already got it. I think it's pretty obvious. Yeah. And finally, is Black Panther a Blacksploitation film? No. Well, they didn't actually say, they spelled it Blackspoitation film. Yeah.

He spelled Blacksploitation wrong. Yeah. And that it's the stupidest, vaguely racist thing that's ever been posted on Reddit. You haven't been on much of Reddit then, have you? At least on our fucking page. Oh, the movie has black people in it, so therefore, it's a black exploitation movie. Yeah. It's like, what?

If the definition is going to be as loose as just any movie that's supposed to pander to a largely black audience, then sure. But, I mean... I don't think that's the difference. Because, like, exploitation films were, like, cheap, shitty movies made, like, way back when. And then eventually, the black community just made movies, right? And they called it black exploitation, because it's exploitation. with black people in it. And like,

Black Panther is a $200 million fucking superhero movie with black people. So it's not even remotely the same. The definition, which says the exploitation of black people, especially with regard to stereotyped roles

in films. I mean... Yeah, stereotyped roles. Okay. Yeah, I wasn't sure what the exact definition was. So, yeah. Under that definition,

I would have to disagree that Black Panther is a black exploitation. Yeah. And that's all Thanks Ralph for that. I can't... Brightening our daze for that.

Oh yeah. If a black person is singing, it counts as rap because anyone who's black and sings is a rapper. It's like saying that. That's what he's fucking saying. I didn't even understand what you were going with there. I'm so confused by what you said or tried to say. I'm just annoyed.

Aren't we all? Let's move on something more cheery like the Avengers trailer. Oh, fine. Also has Black Panther in it. So that's, we were trying to think of what we should be talking about. Because the whole first part of this podcast is like whatever's irrelevant, you know, before we get into our film discussion and other shit. And so we're like, what's relevant in movies right now?

I don't know. I saw a wrinkle in time, but I don't think you guys did. No, I do want to discuss that with you at some point because that looks, it looks epically bad. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. It was my first one out of ten since Cloverville. paradox I guess. That makes me want to watch it.

So we were thinking about what is new and happening in the movie world. And unfortunately, the only real relevant thing to talk about that everybody is talking about that's something that we can all have seen is the new Avengers trailer. So we watched it. What do you guys think? You sound fucking hyped. I'm just going to be honest. Let us hear your thoughts and feelings.

I'm really excited. I'm excited too. I'm shocked with how much... enthusiasm I have right now. I literally am holding a red bull in my hand and I drank the whole thing and somehow just the discussion of this movie at all has just killed all my energy.

Before we began recording, we listened to your reaction and you were whooping, you were howling. You sounded freaking hype. Don't be an honest right now. Oh my God, it's Iron Man! Oh my God! And you were like clapping. I stood up and clapped.

Yeah. In your own room by yourself. That's impressive. Well, I guess for some backstory, I haven't, scene, well, I kind of saw, what was the second one called? Age of Ultron. That one's not very good.

I was, I know. I was, like, vacuuming my house and my roommate was watching it. And so, I would peek back into the room and, like, be cleaning different surfaces and getting shit done and watching it and being like, wow, this is awful. And, you miss nothing. Yeah. I just, I don't know what they expect me to have watched before this new movie to be able to be up to date on what's going on.

Every one of them? They usually do a good job of like keeping them. Like as long as you vaguely know what's happening, you're okay. As long as you know what a kid can sum it on. I mean, they're not complex. Yeah. Like I remember a kid summed it up to my mom once who was like sitting in front of us.

Like, oh yeah, Iron Man has the fucking suit and they put all these guys together. Nick Fury came in. Put all the guys together. And then we watched each of Ultron. I remember at the end of Captain America 3, like the whole plot there was like, oh, you got to, if you're going to be the Avengers, first you have to get every single action you do signed off by the bureaucratic powers at the United Nations. Is that still a thing happening right now in the universe or did some other movie kind of like throw that away or what's happening?

No, as far as I know, that's still going on. Yeah, that has been touched upon since. Right? Oh, all of them are in prison. When did that happen? Was that the end of Captain America? End of Civil War. Did you see this movie?

I did. And it's just so forgettable. It all just blends into the same fucking thing. Those are the guys who are directing the new Avengers. They kicked off Josh Williams. Because they're like, you've got to make Justice League, too. I think it's because he complained too much about the age of Ultron and him not having any real creative control over it.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't blame him. Because Avengers, I know you think it's okay at him. But I think Avengers is a fucking great movie for what it is. Yeah, I love the first Avengers thing. Yeah, I think it's fucking hilarious. and like the action is great and the character interactions are great

and then all of that stripped away in the second one so I don't blame him he was probably pissed yeah take away all the all the good elements so I know there's going to be a lot of fan boyish people that have the mindset of

like okay so they had Avengers which is amazing they have Avengers Age of Ultron which was not so amazing but because that not so amazing movie happened now they'll know they'll like fix it this time or something and and and and I got to say like as much as I would love to believe that my expectations for this new film are super fucking low because if every single main character like main superhero character that appears in the film had had like three

minutes of screen time the movie is going to be like three hours long you know like how can you make a cohesive story about out of this the trailer kind of looks like a fucking mess there's like the shots of all of them running together and it's like 50 people now because that's how many characters there are and I'm like there's no way they could give all these people I searched up how long the like current cut is or whatever we're looking at two and a half hours plus

I think and this is like part one of two right I believe so yeah yeah it was gonna be like literally part one part two they've since like separated it and managed to morph it into its own movie and then the other one into its own movie but it's basically This is a six-hour movie. Yeah, why not?

People will go see it. I don't think people give a shit. I think people would love that. I don't understand how there's supposed to be any sort of cohesive story going on here with like 30 fucking characters. Well, because it's all very simple. The story is a, God, what the fuck is it? Purple Homer Simpson comes and he wants some gems. Yeah, purple Homer Simpson wants some gems.

Yeah, that's it. He wants gems because they control the universe. If you control all the gems. control the universe, right? So, Mars! So Star Lord... Can you please keep doing that, Alex?

Keep continue with your Homer Simpson impression, please Alex? Yeah, that was a good one. You finally knelt down the American accent, Alex. I'm proud of you. When I see that trailer, I don't think, oh, you know what? I think Adam from YMS is really going to see something in this movie

this movie. This is a movie for him. This is definitely not for Adam. At all. Adam, out of all of the Marvel movies, are there any that you even would say that you like? You know, I've given two of them a seven and I, but, but I almost feel like, you regret it? I almost feel like there should be a six now because I mean like, I give a lot of them like, Guardians is one, right? Yeah, Guardians was one and Homecoming was one.

And it was more just like I guess I was just like pleasantly surprised that it wasn't as bad as it could have been sort of thing And maybe that just affected my My experience fresh off the bat But I guess the biggest problem is like After seeing the film in theaters once

Both Guardians of the Galaxy and Spider-Man Homecoming After seeing both of those And enjoying myself in the theater Just being like, ah, that was fun it's like years go by and there's literally nothing bringing me back to it there's nothing about it that's making me go like I want to revisit this again

you know because I got the experience and there's not like you know part of what I love about film about cinema is being able to go back to something and getting a new experience from it or discovering something more about it that you didn't before and a lot of great films are just so loaded with details

but I don't see that in Marvel films. The only thing that comes close to that in terms of details is just how many references to the other Marvel comics they have. Like, I'm sure if I was a huge Marvel nerd and I could go through the films frame by frame and be like, ooh, that's a thing from this comic. But it's like, that's not, that's not what I'm there for. I'm more there for like the craft. I'm more there for the directing, the acting, the cinematography, the writing, you know, and those are just excuse me yeah

this movie's making me sick I mean I get you but this is not everything you look for in a movie is not where you look to Marvel for basically I know yeah these are so that's as simple as that pretty much yeah what do you think you're someone who you like the Marvel movies

you enjoy a fair thing for I do I think Spider-Man the new one is great I think it's a great fucking movie for what it is for what it is again it's not making me rethink life but for a Spider-Man movie. Like, that's as good as you can get. As good as you can get. Oh, I'd debate that one.

Sam Ramey was fucking... Yeah, Spider-Man 2. All right. Sam, we can put our nostalgia goggles on, like, oh, Spider-Man 2 is perfect. They're objectively better, right? Yeah. Yeah, sure, but they're fucking,

they're corny as hell. I didn't mean to say, if you were asking which one's better written, I'd say, the new one. But in terms of style, yeah, the old one. And I do think, yeah, I think so. I disagree. I think, I kind of like,

Tom Holland better. I felt like I was watching a kid who made dumb mistakes and acted like a kid and not like a, not like a 30 year old dressed in glasses. He pretends to get bullied by a man who's 40. I hear you there. That's funny. Like I mean, the Sam Ramey films are always, you know, with a bit of cheese associated with them. Yeah. And I don't mind it. And I love this. Like I think, I still think the, what is it? Spider-Man. I was about to say the amazing Spider-Man too. But Spider-Man too is better. But I, um, I do think Homecoming does certain aspects better. The original Ramey films, one and two, let's say, they have things that this new Spider-Man film does not, in terms of presentation and style. Of course. You know, like just the amazing shot composition,

those like 45-degree angles that are present in the film and like this always moving camera cinematography. And the new one is just so like visually boring, you know, like that was the one thing that I was like... The cinematography in the new homecoming is just like, there's nothing going. It's like a Judd Apatow film, you know? It's like shot, reverse shot in so many of the scenes where it's like, what kind of movie is this even?

Like, the reason why a lot of shitty comedy movies are shot like that is because they're just banking on the actor being funny and that's the only reason that people go to it. But it's like, I can't do anything too dynamic with the camera in those movies because then you distract from the actors. performance. You can't do shit like that when the actors rambling on for an hour. It's trying to tell that to Edgar Wright, but yeah, I mean, he's he's an exception. He's a big exception.

The thing about Spider-Man is I just thought what they did with him in Homecoming was like, man, you're just really missing a beat with what Spider-Man should be in terms of, when I think of the Sam Ramey movies, there's such an energy and you can do so much, like, creative stuff with the spider powers specifically. Of course. I could don't know if either of you guys have seen the trailer for this animated Spider-Man film that's coming out by Sony. I can't remember what it's called.

Is it like cartoon animated? Yeah, it's like a cartoon. I can't remember what it's called. Something of the spider verse, something like, whatever. Yeah. But that film visually looks really interesting and what I want to see out of the Spider-Man kind of movie. Whereas Homecoming, it was like, okay, it's more of a comedy.

And the comedy wasn't really that engaged. to me, so. It was more like Ferris Bueller's Day Off than it is. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not going to debate the directing because Sam Ramey. I think he's the only guy who's managed to make a movie that looks like a comic book without completely taking you out of like the grounded world that's set in, you know?

Yeah. Like you never feel like, oh, this is way too far into the uncanny valley. It had comics, though. Like the writing. It had stakes. It was like this perfect balance. Yeah. Whereas everything in homecoming comes down to a joke.

Like they undercut any potential weight with just a joke. Yeah. I think that until the end, because then Michael Keaton, there's the twist of Michael Keaton. And I think from that point on, I'm like, oh, this is really interesting what they're doing with this. It was an interesting twist. And that's about it. I still didn't, there really wasn't all that much weight or consequence overall. It was more, I don't know, like, in the new homecoming, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

It's like Spider-Man, his own story, is kind of secondary to this overarching Avengers story. He's just there for the bigger picture, you know? It's the only Marvel movie where I felt like it was incorporated well the fucking Avengers stuff. Because Tony Stark is there, but he's there as the father figure type character. Like, he serves his purpose. I fucking hate Tony Stark. Damn, dude. How?

I hate his character. Really? Yeah, he annoys the shit out of me. I was just going to, I'll get into that in the second, but I was going to bring in another aspect comparing the Ramey films to the new homecoming. The soundtrack. Go back and listen to the fucking soundtrack. Like, compare the soundtrack. Yeah, it's really good.

Like, there's so much good composition, and it adds so much to the original Spider-Man films. Like, I want to watch them again right now is what I want to do. Like, just talking about the original two Spider-Man films, I'm just like, I want to just watch them right now. What about the third one? much emotional weight. I will watch that too for different reasons because it is pretty funny. Okay. I do like the third one too also. It's not as bad as people remember. No, it's not as bad. They're fantastic. It has some really bad things about it, but. That's why I'm glad the Amazing Spider-Man and the Amazing Spider-Man 2 exists because they make you appreciate Spider-Man 3 for what it is.

Because they're like, at least this is a fucking movie. Well, that was, that was just a, you know, a prime example of conflict between director and studio. Because Ramey had his own ideas for what he wanted to do in the studio. He wanted to do Sandman. And they wanted to do Venom. And he's like, I'll put in both. And it doesn't work. He just didn't like Venom.

He was like, yeah, I'll put in Venom. Assholes. Yeah, fuck you. I'm going to ruin Venom. He destroyed it. He pulled a Josh Trank. Did you see the new Venom trailer with Tom Hardy where they literally, they literally, they finished shooting like two days before they cut that trailer so they had none of the effects done and that's why venom's not in it

it looked like one of those fan cut youtube trailers that people make yeah it looked like it looked like they took footage of tom hardy and like fucking legend and bronson and just like put it in and put some like trailer music over it was so bad wonder if that's gonna be good yeah i it might be but like that's not a good trailer and it was a stupid idea to release it like that without any of the effects done or color correction. It's going to be one of those Sony movies. It's not going to be a Marvel movie. It's going to be a Sony movie. I mean, it technically already is, but now it's confirmed that it's not even,

you can't expect anything else from it. I just feel bad for like the fanboys who have no idea what the movie making process is or like how much influence a studio or a director has and they're just like, ooh, venom. I feel bad for them because they're not going to get a good movie out of it. But Tom Hardy is that kind of actor where if he's involved in something, I feel like there's got to be something to it. You know, like he doesn't sign on to just schlock.

He doesn't. No. What is he done that's ever been schlock? What was the worst thing I could think of? There was like two of him. Oh, legend. That's not a bad movie. And that's another thing is that any movie he's in, he makes it instantly better by being in it because he's so fucking good.

And legend's that movie where it's like this movie sucks, but because he's in it and because he's so good, it makes him. it watchable. So, you know, for Venom, I'm like, listen, you got this great actor and he's, he saw something in this movie unless they, they drove a dump truck full of money in front of his house. I'll watch it either way.

I don't expect it to be good at all. It could be something. I have, I'm not going to, I have some hope for it. I'll say that. I guess, uh, just really quickly, I

kind of left, um, that open ended on why I hate to Tony Stark so much. I just... Oh yeah. And everything I've seen him in at this point, like I hate his...

His character's kind of fucking elitist in the Avengers universe. And he really, at this point, just serves as a plot device for conflict where he has to show up and be like, no, that's not the way we do things. And literally in Civil War, in fucking homecoming.

Like, he's just this fucking asshole. It does have motivation behind it, though. Of course. That's why I was. based on the previous movies. I'm just saying I hate his character. I'm just saying I hate him. I think he's the best character in the whole fucking thing.

Because of that. Because he starts out as a total dick, and he's still kind of a dick at this point. But he's learned a few lessons along the way. He's like, okay, I'll try to be a good person. I'll do my best, even though I'm still an asshole. I cannot tell you how much I disagree with his decision-making in Captain America's Civil War.

You're acting in this world where there's, aliens with superpowers that could like obliterate the fucking planet at the push of a button, you know? You really you really fucking think that the Avengers shouldn't be able to Act in any way unless you go through this whole like five-day bureaucratic process to get every single signature from the UN I'm sorry, that's stupid See I don't I saw it as well like a He was guilty for all the things he'd done in the past like in the previous Avengers he made a killer robot that caused the deaths of like hundreds of people and he probably was weighing on him and that was his

reason for trying to. And then he's like, someone needs to put some restraint on us. They didn't throw it in. They didn't throw it in. They did it in the last movie. No, because in that last movie it's holy works, he created fucking Ultron which destroyed half the half that, that whole city basically. Sorry, which last movie?

Age of Ultron. Age of Ultron. Oh, okay. Well, I have watched that. The one you have, did you see a city floating up in the air? That's what he was referring to. I think they were showing footage. of Age of Ultron at the beginning of Civil War, right?

No, no, they had like footage for some reason of like the whole city floating up in the air. No, the Second Avengers. Oh. They have footage of the Second Avengers in Civil War of the Second Avengers when they fought in that city. And like, it's all levitating and people are dying. And they're like, guys, look at this footage. And it's like, what for you're showing him this? The reason why it feels thrown in and don't get me wrong, they obviously have a setup because it's Marvel and they have the next 20 years planned out.

Like, they'll obviously have a. film before it setting up this plot device. But the reason why it feels thrown into me is because you have all these films previous to it where it's just like, you know, the first Avengers where buildings destroyed and like crowds decimated, but it's okay because you can't really see them too well. So it's like PG fucking violence. It's okay. It's okay to show like millions of people die as long as it's not close up.

And it's just like they never really touched on that until it was clear that they needed to use it as a plot device, you know? It was like, oh, now they're humanizing these crowds of people, you know? Sure. Like so many films existed before that point where they literally just pretended like, oh, yeah, whatever. I get that, but I can't even just something that's going to bug you or not. It doesn't bother me at all. Yeah, it doesn't bother me at all because this is fucking stupid comic book movies.

And the fact that they even have a little bit of a threat. Exactly. Yeah, but they have a little bit of a thread and they're trying. And at least the characters are consistent. So I'm like, all right. It feels forced. It feels maybe for you. but for me it feels fine.

It's better than whatever the fuck DC is doing. Well, yeah, like it... In Manor Steel, when he's flying around leveling literally the entire city with people, showing people being lifted into the air and then smashed into the ground into a pulp. With him, like, really even trying to save anyone. And you got Justice League, and it's like a fucking cartoon. It's like, they clearly have no idea what they're doing. I think the only DC movie that I've seen is Suicide Squad.

Oh, that's a good one to start out with. That movie is total shit. Well, yeah, Man of Steel came out, and I was still working at fucking Best Buy. Really? Yeah, and my co-worker came up to me and was talking about it. He's like, I liked it, but I don't think it's something you would like. I'm like, yeah, you're probably right. The trailer didn't look very good.

And so I was like, okay, well, let's ignore that. And then, what was it? They had a Man of Steel, too. They had like a second Superman or something. No, is Batman v. Superman. Did they have anything in between that? Because it felt like a long gap. I always felt it weird

that as soon as the DC universe decided to start this whole expanded, connected universe, they were like, no, let's not start fresh. Let's continue it from Man of Steel because that worked out so well. I just find that such a weird thing to do. Because it's clear, they didn't make Man of Steel

with the intention of that starting out a connected universe, did they? No. Yeah, they did. I think that no I totally think they did but there's a huge gap again they're idiots there is a huge gap I think they wanted to do it and they wanted to see if man of steel

would do well which it did so then like okay so now we're going to greenlight all these other movies that are going to come out within like two years of each but Marvel did it much better they they made Ironman and when Iron Man did well they had the Hulk on the way and they're like okay let's just put in this teaser at the end of it to set up Avengers and because they're somewhat intelligent and have a somewhat of a plan unlike DC

So I didn't see that And then as every single other movie came out They looked like things where I was like Okay well this looks funny enough to make fun of But then I see the runtime Like Batman v Superman I'm like I don't want to be stuck in a theater for three hours So I didn't see it

Fucking Justice League like holy shit That looks like that looks painful Yeah Why would I want to be in there that long For something that's just excruciating Whereas Suicide Squad was what Under 2 hours or something And so when I saw the

the early reviews on Metacritic and Rutton Tomatoes coming out for them. I'm like, wow, 13%. I got to see this. So I went and saw it and, yeah, that's, I think that's the only one I've seen. Suicide Squad, they cut out half the fucking movie to the point where it doesn't make sense. Sorry, Jared Leto. Yeah, sorry, everybody. Sorry, David Eyre.

We're going to take your movie in the trailer house edited. No, he did Bright after it. He doesn't deserve any. Oh, yeah, Bright. He's like, I'm going to make a comeback with him. bright. It's about, it's racial commentary, except they're orcs. Wow, you're fucking brilliant.

Oh, Max Landis. It's a funny film. So going back to the topic at hand, Ralph. What do you actually think of the trailer, and are you excited to see Infinity Man? I didn't watch the new one. Oh. Oh, you're not.

That was a fucking topic, Ralph. Of course, I know. I'm like... Before the podcast started, And I said I'm going to take a minute to watch the trailer. I thought that that was an implication for you guys to also watch the trailer. I watched the first one. I'm like, yeah, I get the idea.

I don't want a spoiler for myself. I'm looking forward to it. Oh, that's amazing. Wow. You do for like the Avengers Infinity War what I do for like my absolute favorite movies of all time, like my favorite directors. It's just I don't watch trailers ever. I just kind of hate trailer.

No, not really. Yeah, unless I'm forced to watch it in a theater. And I'll watch it, but like I mean first of all I think most trailers just stink and they're boring and I assume that that Avengers trailer was like Blah on an opening shot of a city and then they throw in a joke and then they fight a bit and then they show the title There's a little bit of yeah I mean it that the trailer spoils nothing Yeah, it's just it's like show everyone's favorite characters from all of the things And they're fighting and fucking master of the universe Guardian man from the Guardian and the galaxy says something funny.

You show Teenage Grute and then it's like the title and then Spider-Man's like Ha ha ha, my name's Peter and Dr. Strange says, I'm Dr. Strange and Spider-Man says, oh, okay, I get it. So we're using our fake names. Well, I'm Spider-Man and that was the joke and that was the end of the trailer. So sorry if I spoiled that experience

for you. I'm sorry that one can't be genuine in the theater because that was a great scene. I saw that Civil War trailer and they have Spider-Man at the end of it. And I think if I didn't see that trailer, it would have been a big surprise. That would have been like, wow, it's Spider-Man. But they spoiled it.

That's part of the reason I don't watch trailers anymore. Speaking of which, did you know that Denis Villeneuve wanted to keep Harrison Ford's involvement in Blade Runner 2049 a secret? God damn it. Sony just used him for the market. Could you imagine how effective that would have been? That would have been amazing. Oh, yeah, because it's not like he serves a huge purpose in the story.

It even shows up. And it seems like he constructed it with that in mind. Like that scene when he enters Yeah Like he enters that layer And it's like 20 minutes long of him like He comes out of the shadow Stepping over the wire that has like the shotgun on the end of it or whatever

The trip wire And it comes out of the shadows He's like holy shit Except we all saw the trailer So we know It's just Harrison Ford and the t-shirt And it's unfortunately impossible To experience the movie in that way

Because he's right on the fucking poster too Like if you go to see the movie If you buy the film You see him And there's no way way to not see him. And I was actually very impressed because I had a friend that I showed the movie who had no idea. And he was able to experience it that way, which I was very happy about. I told him after the fact. That's cool. Because he didn't, I'd put in the Blu-ray for him, I guess. I didn't

even know that he saw none of the marketing. So good for him. The one person that got to experience the movie in the way it was intended. Fuck. Yeah. Fuck you, Sony. Fuck you Sony. You assholes. I mean, the best trailers aren't even the ones that unveil any kind of plot. They build a certain mood and like, oh, this is the kind of movie you're watching, but we're not going to tell you. I think the last great trailer I saw was the killing

of a sacred deer one where the girls singing we're going to let it burn, burn, burn, and it's just like shots of Colin Farrell fucking running through a hospital. And you're like, I don't know what the hell this is about, but this looks awesome. Those are the most effective trailers. There's certain directors where you can tell they have more control over

the trailers that they release. Yeah, definitely. I think Chris Nolan's one of those guys, honestly, because all of his trailers are fucking amazing. I don't know how he does it, unless he has a really good team of people doing the marketing. Yeah, who knows? I think he probably has a lot of creative control, considering every movie he makes is a huge success. So why wouldn't he? Yeah, so they just let him do whatever he wants, which is crazy.

That was actually a very dense topic. I wasn't expecting us to talk about Marvel. The Infinity War trailer provoked a lot of discussion. Yeah, good shit. I'm proud of you Adam for talking about Marvel for so long. Yep. I thank you. All right, go for it, Ralph.

Oh, are we talking about the fucking movie now? It's the one that you suggested. Yeah, there's something for them. You wanted us to talk about our video making processes. Oh, my God, we did. Remember? Oh, yeah. That was your suggestion.

Remember how you suggested that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot. I have a shitty memory like Alex. What do you want me to do? Okay, so I got, I was thinking of this topic because I watched this guy recently. I watch him with my roommate mainly. It's this channel called, I don't know if I should name him because I'm going to be kind of mean.

Okay. Movie Bob? No, no. He also makes shitty videos, but let's not talk about that. Okay. DSLR guide. It's this, he's my age. Oh, that guy.

He's my age. He makes videos, tutorials on how to make film. Or he used to anyway. Now he just kind of makes either pretentious videos of him talking about films he's never seen or Like like I make films that speak. This is my process and this kid has no idea What he's doing he has no idea how to budget films. You know, there's no idea how to edit anything He doesn't know how to make deadlines for himself. He's like the most incompetent Fucking guy. He doesn't go to film school and he puts it up on like he's like I don't waste money on film school. I sit at home and make films with my DSLR. And he's made like one short film

his whole life. I just fucking can't stand this kid. So what I want to do, I want all of us, because we're all relatively, you know, good at what we do, whether it's music or making videos or whatever. I want us to talk about... Yeah, two of us are. Who are those two? Are we just supposed to guess? Oh, it's me and Alex, right? It's me and Alex. It's me and Alex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you, uh, want to believe. Me and Alex, yeah. So I want us to talk about our process because there's too many people in the internet who act like, oh, if you do this on YouTube, you can get famous.

Or if you make a movie like this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you can be famous. It's like none of this shit works. So I want to talk about our process, how we make videos, how we do whatever we do on our pastime. Because I think it would be an interesting conversation. That's all I got to say. Take it. Take it away, one of you. who wasn't talking as much as I was.

Who was that? What did Alex? Well, Alex, I want to know about your art because you're a damn good artist. I'd never fucking... Not a damn good artist, but... You are. He's a good artist.

A good artist, thanks. A good artist and a good artist. Sometimes you just got to separate art from the artist. Well, what's your experience with art? Do you have any? Have you been doing this since you're a kid and you just wanted to do art? I've always been like drawing quite a lot, especially in, I don't know what it's cool for you guys.

Secondary school, I don't know what the equivalent is for you guys. Junior high. You're like a teenager. Yeah. Yeah, junior high probably. You know, you have like useless lessons to you like French and R.S. Those are my art lessons. I just draw in them.

And it's just something you continue doing through the years. Like I've just been doodling for a long time. I've never called myself an artist or anything, but it's just something I like to do. You're a doodler, I'd say more so than an actual artist, you know. You've never, like, taken any art classes, you've never gone to, I don't know, college for any of this shit or... No. You just do it? Yeah.

Fascinating. Why is that fascinating? It's just, you put a pencil on your hand and then you just put a pen to paper or pencil to paper. I don't know. Well, I mean, it's self-improvement, right? the more time you dedicate to something, the better you'll get. Yeah, it's kind of as simple as that. So long as you're being self-critical in a constructive way.

If you believe that the first thing you make is this masterpiece that everybody, you should be lucky to see, then you'll never get good at what you're doing. But you got to have some sort of self-criticism. And then no matter what you do, as long as you're doing it over and over, you'll get better. The same thing goes for making videos. Like, the first video you make is going to be a huge pile of horseshit. Uh-huh. Yes.

And it's just through making a ton of them that they gradually start to get better in terms of technical literature. When did you guys start with all that? With editing videos on YouTube specifically? Nine years ago or something like that? Nine years ago. Not seriously until like 2012 or something. But before then I was like dabbling in it and always had an interest in it and would use YouTube guides and Google to like learn how to do things and how to improve. And you gradually, you will start on like.

whatever your OS is like shittest built-in media editor is. So like movie maker. Yeah, yeah, you start with that and you learn the ropes and then you find out about where you are. You go on to every YouTuber who's already been making videos and you spam a million comments. What do you use to edit your videos? And then you just learn through doing it. I don't know.

I guess you guys did the same thing. You guys go to classes to learn how to edit YouTube videos? No, not really. I mean, eventually you go into classes to learn how to edit. I mean, I do it anyway, because I'm in college, but I want to hear Adam about his fucking process. Well, as you can probably imagine, I have a lot to say about this. So I kind of want it you guys to, I mean, Ralph, you haven't really said anything. I started making movies.

Of course, I wasn't fucking good at it at all at first, like when I was like five or six, like in my basement. And then 12 is when I started learning editing and all that shit. I used to fucking just record on CDs and like whenever I stopped recording that would be the take and that was it And I would like make whole movies like that without editing and then eventually when I was like 12 or 13 I started editing and much like what Alex did You get better and better at it around 16 is when I started to actually get somewhat decent What did you guys? I started with like Windows movie maker and then I moved on to my teacher gave me Final Cut for free on a

on like a CD because he's like Ralph I love what you're doing man even though what I did sucked and it's like here's final cut for free and I learned final cut on my own and yeah from there

you just get good at it now I use Premiere that's what I use to edit now but I'm also learning Avid which is what the industry uses and that shit's a pain in the ass but yeah I want to hear what basically what we're all

I think we're going to say is that You just got to edit a lot, and that's how you get good at it. It's not even just with, like, editing, just any skill you want to improve. Doing it a lot is going to improve it. And we've all consistently gotten better. Of course. And we've all consistently gotten better.

I don't even think, because when you're 12 years old, you can't even be self-critical, because you're an idiot and you think everything you do is great. That's why the internet's such a great place, because people will tell you, your shit is fucking horribly edited and you suck, which is what I'm telling Simon Kade right now, is that you don't know what the fuck you're doing. You need to get your act together. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not familiar.

It's super familiar with it. Oh my God. So this guy has a sorry for going on tangent. I've seen like, Oh, I don't mind. I do it all the time. He fucking, he has this video about his writing process. So he's like, I go out in the forest and I fucking, I sit in the forest and I write it down ideas on a notebook.

And he films himself for like an hour writing down ideas. And it's like, that's not how you fucking write anything. You don't force yourself to sit in a forest for four hours. I was like come up with a fucking idea. It's like the dumbest shit I've ever heard. He talks about budgeting. And he's like, you're supposed to take 50% of the budget and put it into the story. And it's like, what the fuck does that mean, the story?

What 50% of the money needs to go into the story? He has no fucking idea what he's doing. Sorry. Oh, don't apologize. I just can't stand this fucking kidding. It's going to be okay. Sorry. No problem.

Adam, go on. I was a little baby boy Not a baby I guess like a preteen or whatever My brother had made some YouTube video or not YouTube sorry it didn't exist back then He made a school project Essentially called leave what you find And it was just this you know dumb thing for his outdoor ed class

And I you know he showed You know some friends and I just happened to be watching And I just I found that to be fascinating you know, it was just like a dumb handicam made video with some dumb editing that went along with it. And I was just like immediately, I was, I was just thinking like, oh, crap, I want to do, I want to do something like that where I can, you know, have some, you know, create something and make something funny. And, you know, I felt like I had some stuff to express anyway. And so, you know, I was 13 years old. And basically at any point in my, in any of my classes, where I could potentially make a video,

project instead of a written project if there was like an assignment we had to do or some sort of essay I would just ask the teacher with with my friends being like hey can we make a video instead and a lot of them would be like yeah sure and so I would use it as an opportunity just to make some dumb fucking video that that basically met the the bare minimum requirements for being educational and otherwise it was just me being annoying and well you wanted to experiment and see like oh what can I do with this I just I just kind of film crazy film thing can I do with this? Yeah, and, you know, being 13 years old, like, the humor is the most cringe-worthy thing that ever has existed on the planet. And so,

I did that for a while and was filming a bunch of my own videos using software called Pinnacle Studios. And I was using a mini-d-V, like, high-hate or whatever tape. I think I know what this is. Oh, yeah, the editing stuff. I think I know that. Yeah, it was so basic. You could only have, like, two audio trucks. And so, yes. At the, at the, I think, I think, I know what. At the camera. At the camera. I think, point in time when I you know started making things that needed more than two two extra audio tracks I would basically have to like export the entire project bring it back in and then add more audio tracks I did the same shit with Windows movie maker you only had like one so you had to keep exporting and exporting and

exporting oh man the scene and so um yeah eventually uh like on my 16th video I made something called half dead which was just a drama project and my drama teacher was like, wow, that's really good. And, like, really, you know, enjoyed it. And then cut to high school where, you know, I continued making dumb videos. I had gotten, you know, a bit better at it over time. And my friend Joe was like, hey, you should ask the drama teacher if there's any projects we can do for videos because, like, my close friends were just as gung-ho for doing

it. They were just as enthusiastic about it. And so I was like, okay. So literally, at the very beginning of the year, I think, like, one of the first first days of school and I asked the drama teacher hey is there anything coming up in the semester where I can

we can do video projects instead of otherwise and she's like you know what it would be kind of cool if you did a documentary for the school play and she was literally casting the school play

later that day we were doing a they were doing a production of what's that Christmas one with Scrooge Not Scrooge What's that fucking It's Christmas Day A Christmas, what does that call?

Christmas story? Is that what it's called? No, it's a wonderful life Christmas Carol? Christmas Carol, that's it, thank you. Oh, okay. And so they were doing a production of that for the school play

And they had just started casting that day So I was like, okay, yeah, sure Literally went home, grabbed my camera, came back when they were doing the casting after the school and just started filming that very day. And it turned into this huge fucking project where by the end of it, I had an hour-long documentary

and it's up on YouTube if you want to see it. It's not that great. But I would consider this experience to be the single most invaluable experience I had in terms of me growing as an editor or a content creator. It's because I was given so much responsibility. and I was under a very limited time frame.

I was essentially going literally like their main characters that were cast in the play that their rehearsals were like twice a week, but I showed up to every single rehearsal. I would go like every day after school that there was a rehearsal. I would just film and and, you know, practice my camera work. And then on top of that,

because of the extreme limitations that I had with both the editing software and the shitty computer I was using at the time and also the fact that I was recording onto tapes, Fuck, to get the footage onto the computer, I essentially had to connect cables to the camera and then press play and watch the whole thing go by as it was literally recording onto the computer. And so I kept having to essentially burn discs worth of footage to have as my backup to get shit off of my computer as shit was coming in so fast. I like didn't sleep for like a month basically. Like the whole process went over over the course of like several months like the it was a Christmas play and

Yeah man it like it killed me in terms of my My sleep schedule of course I literally I just basically didn't sleep. I would just just do that all night But the fact that I I was under so much pressure kind of really brought out a lot of Learning experience for me and I considered that to be just incredibly invaluable and I a I a I I am very thankful that my drama teacher at that point in time was just like, yeah, sure, because, you know, if I, any other teacher, who knows, like, might have just said, like, yeah, I don't know, you know, not given someone that they didn't know, just some sort of huge responsibility. And by the end of it, I, I printed some DVDs.

There's a spelling error on the back of it. I did that, too, with the DVDs. Just for myself, usually. I, well, I, you know, I gave them out at the, you know, at the end of the, you know, at the end the play or whatever we had a screening where the school watched and it was awesome it was very very fulfilling very educational and growing experience that was not a part of the school curriculum at all but was due to a teacher just you know giving me some sort of responsibility and it was really cool and so yeah this thing is on my um my abandoned youtube channel called dark ocean films and

It's a four-part thing that's on YouTube, and it's not that great. But for a fucking... How old was I? 15? Something? I think it was like 15 years old. For a 15-year-old making a fucking hour-long documentary, it's not that bad. For like one camera and just me editing the whole thing, it's not that bad.

But it's kind of bad. You totally reminded me of this. I had a film festival every year that I went to in what juniors... I had junior high school and high school were like the same school for me. So seventh grade to 12th grade was the same school. So there was always this film festival. And then when I was 15, I made a movie called Paper Bag. And it's a piece of shit.

But it's like private on my YouTube channel. But I made it when it was 15. And then I sent it out to people who were like film critics I liked. I sent it to Red Letter Media. They didn't respond, obviously. Then I sent it to Adam. This is 15-year-old Ralph. And this is when Adam had, I think, got like 30,000 subscribers or something.

I sent it to Adam to watch it. Me? And then Adam, you, you swear to God. And you went like, hey, kid, it's pretty good. You got potential. Oh, really?

Yes. And then you fucking sent me over to that channel, that whatever it's called. What's it called? Dark Horse. Dark Ocean Films? Dark Ocean Films. You sent me the Dark Ocean Films.

Like, here's the movies I made when I was at age. Oh, cool. And then I was like, wow. So, like, I mean, that's part of why I wanted to do this is because it encourages people to just, you know, if you get people, who I don't know what I'm trying to say, who appreciate the craft, like watch your work and even give some feedback.

Like, I'll watch some, if fans sent me something that they made when they're 16, I'll watch it and go like, oh, this is a cute little thing. Keep at it. He's what you can improve. I think it does a lot. I don't think we should undervalue, like, some advice we give, because I think, you know, I think there's some kids who watch us who could make some really good stuff if they had some encouragement from people, you know?

Yeah. I don't think they get enough. I, you know, I luckily had, you know, teachers who really supported me and wanted me to do this stuff and gave me stuff to do, edit, to edit, you know, news stories, whatever the fuck for their shitty news station in the school or whatever. But yeah, it's, it's important. Yeah, that's good that you had that experience with your teachers. That's crazy that I responded to you. Yeah. I don't remember.

No, I understand, because the movie's a piece of shit. I don't blame you Oh now I want to see this again You have to show me if you're not gonna show the rest of the world You have to show me I'll show me this video I want to see if I remember it One day I want to suppose all pose like old shitty videos we made

Mine are still up Yeah yours are still up but like just imagine Yeah I never It's very rare that I would get so embarrassed of something that I made in the past That I would like take it down Because I just I very much see value in Showing growth and showing...

Yeah, sure. Because, I mean, if it's more impressive to have started from making shit and be making great content, then it would be if you just, you know,

first time you try is just the most amazing thing in the world, you know, and then you haven't changed over the course of 10 years, you know, that would be a little weird

if you've never grown. And I think it should encourage people in a sense because a lot of people get incredibly discouraged by not being able to do something perfect, right off the bat, but that's not how things are made.

No, no, no, no. That's not how you grow a talent. A great thing to do on YouTube is go to some of your favorite channels, and you can sort by the oldest video they've uploaded. Go to their original few videos and see what they're like compared to how they are now, and it's usually quite a good indicator of growth and improvement. Yes. And like most of my early videos are just, I deleted them or privateed them.

They're literally so, they're unwatchable. Like, I'm humiliated when I watched them. But I was, like, 12, too. So, like, even when I watched videos from, like, a year ago I made, I'm like, eh, this is... Oh, man. I'm so happy YouTube didn't exist when I was 13. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

Because my voice is like... It would be so damning. It's even worse than it is now. It's even more annoying. Just imagine a high-pitched version of this. And you might want to fucking kill yourself listening to it. That also reminded me that I had a similar... experience with

Anisa Joma who is a streamer and content creator and Idubs' girlfriend and she apparently lived in the same city as me and we sent each other videos back in the day. I'm like, what? I had to remember after she mentioned that on her stream

and somebody sent that to me. I was like, oh, is this the video where her brother wore a helmet and then acted really dumb? I remembered it. What kind of videos, Adam? What kind of to send each other. I remember he said, safety first. And then that's the only takeaway from that.

Are those the only kinds of videos you sent? If you know what I mean. All right. All right. You just mentioned, you look back at videos from like a month ago and you see things that, like, you don't know about a month, but like a year. I'm curious with you guys how,

you know, the fairies, you're your own worst critic, how much that applies to you guys in terms of how, I don't know, fussy you are in terms of just everything to do with your videos, you know? I'm my own toughest critic. I don't know if I'd say worst critic, but I think that's what you meant. Sorry, that's what I meant.

Come on, Alex, get with it. Well, I'm sorry, okay? Marlon! Yeah, I think, well, when you first start off, you make mistakes and you go, eh, whatever, no one's going to notice. No one's going to give a shit. But then you realize people do, so you slowly get better at the whole the whole editing yourself down

and, you know, composing things better I guess every aspect. Okay, how many times do you check a video before you, like, render it? I used to very often. I know I'm comfortable enough with my own process that, you know, a couple times is enough.

Yeah, me too. Yeah. I usually, before I export it, oh, no, I export it and then I watch it while I'm uploading it to YouTube. And if there's something wrong, I just cancel the upload and re-edit it. Because most of the time I know that there's not going to be a mistake.

I am so hyper-aware of things like extra frames now that I can usually just catch them on my couple watches anyway. There's no need to go over it way too many times. That's when you're like editing something that's like already edited like a movie and then there's like one frame of a different shot and then it cuts to the next thing. I'm so hyper-aware of that now. I just want to explain that to people who don't know. By the way,

I'm just looking for them at this point. Yes, of course. If you're editing something up-and-comers, you know, be wary of that. Also be wary of audio quality because that's probably, that's something I've learned over the years. Yeah, I'm still not,

I'm still not good at it, but I'm getting better. I'm taking an audio production class right now, just trying to fucking learn how all this works. Yeah. Great. I mean, that's the thing. You've got to get better and better at this stuff

because otherwise you're Simon Cade in the basement with your, with your shitty-ass camera. from five years ago, fucking learning nothing. Honestly, audio is one of the most important things when it comes to YouTube. Nothing makes me turn off a video faster than the audio just being terrible.

I don't know about you guys, but... The thing is, most people watch videos on their phones, so the video quality isn't even that important. What's really important is the audio quality, because they're either watching it, you know, with the earbuds in, which are really high quality, or just on their speakers, which are still pretty good, you know? So the audio quality is way more important

on YouTube than it is the, video. A lot of people watch videos while they're multitasking. A lot of people, you know, like even if it's a video like mine, like a review or a quickie, a lot of people have commented being like, yeah, I just, you know, I listen to this while I'm, you know, getting ready or exercising or driving or whatever where they don't really even need the visual representation, I guess. There's a certain amount of people like that. And I mean, like I like to put a decent amount of thought into the visuals for sure for the people that appreciate it and for myself. But, you know, a lot of, I would say that the audio is most important.

Yeah. I mean, part of it, too, is when you first start out, you don't know how to make audio sound good, or you don't read, you know what good audio is, obviously, but you don't know quite how to work it. You don't understand the processing of it. You don't understand, you know,

that different kinds of mics do different things. You don't know the difference between mics, you know? So you just get a microphone and you think like, oh, this will work. It's a piece of shit because you got it for 50 bucks on eBay. That's a part of the process, too. These are things you just got to. learn over time. My first fucking video was like the shittiest microphone that has ever existed.

It was like it was like a $10 microphone that was already like fucking eight years old in like 2006. I remember using that shit when I was a little kid. I would you know because I was just, you know, on a whim. I was like, yeah, I want to make a review. So I just rummaged around my parents basement looking for things and I found the microphone. I was like, yeah, I'll use this. Didn't matter to me at the time. And then I got a blue Yetty. and then that was a bit better. Yep, and I got a sure KSM 32, and that was much better,

although my audio interface wasn't ideal, so it didn't sound perfect. And now I'm using the same microphone with a Focus Right Scarlet Audio USB interface, and it sounds awesome. It does, I agree with you there. But it's also important to say that, especially on YouTube,

if you make good stuff, and if your stuff is entertaining, people can look past shitty video quality or audio quality if you're like an interesting, likable or funny person where you make interesting, likable, funny content. But these are things that over time you should get better at, you know. Yeah, like, unless your shoe on head. Yeah, shoe on head.

You're doing it. That's part of her aesthetic, right? Is that like she's on her webcam. She's a normal girl on her webcam. And she's not going to fucking fancy it up for any reason. She stated many times that she just prefers That's how the look and feel of it Which I can understand

I totally understand that And that like simplistic editing Like that's her style And you can make that work right And there's a difference between doing that on purpose Because it works and just not knowing what the fuck you're doing And being an idiot You know

That brings up another interesting point We're like if on YouTube I think it's important that you shouldn't be too polished Because when you do It begins to feel corporate and like disconnected from the audience because part of the, part of the appeal of YouTube is that,

you know, it feels like a friend of yours is making a video, you know, that kind of feeling where it's just like a normal guy just got some equipment and made a video. What's an example of something, a video or channel that's too polished? Too polished.

Well, like when you watch a fucking watch Mojo video or like, yeah, it was about to say, the ones that are like actual companies, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like as much as I,

as much as I love all, honest trailers, you know, screen junkies is kind of one of those channels. Yeah, it's like, it's a business, it's not a person. Yeah, and you start to lose it a bit. And like, Pudy pie does phenomenally well, right? Can you say that? Can you pronounce his name again, please? Pootie pie. Yes, I say his fucking name.

Pute, is it Pute pie? Pute pie. I've been calling him Pudy pie since I was 12 and it's just not change. It's not going to change. Okay. We're going to drop that. I just wanted to hear it again. All, like, his, obviously, his video equipment and whatever's gotten better.

But essentially, his whole channel throughout all of its existence has been him sitting in a chair talking. And people love that because they love him. And no matter, if it becomes this polished bullshit, then people aren't going to like that. Because they just kind of, like, they like watching him in a chair talk. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like Smosh? Like Smosh is a great example. Smosh got much worse.

when they got more polished because people liked it. They're a company. Because it was too fucking, yeah, now it's a company. It used to be two guys who made funny skits. And like, listen, I didn't even think their old skits were funny, but I get the appeal of them, you know. So I think it's interesting. Oh, man.

Sorry. No, no, this is it. The best example of this for Smosh was when, so it's like Ian and Anthony, right? So Anthony eventually left Smosh. I don't know if you're aware. That happened about a year. I think I'm partly responsible.

I think Alex and I are partly responsible. What do you mean? Because we both made fucking videos just destroying them. Like, your pieces of shit, you're not funny. Your content sucks. Basically, when he left Smosh and he was just like, yeah, I want to be doing my own thing.

And, you know, like, it seemed like he had most of his disconnect because of how much of a brand it's become. and how it's not just, you know, him and his friend making videos anymore. And he seemed to be very detached from that. Whereas Ian, very gung-ho. And the way that this is best illustrated is by watching both of their videos of the announcement that he's leaving. So, Anthony, he makes it, you know, talk to the camera.

It's somewhat personal, and he's explaining things thoroughly. He just wants people to understand what's going on and why he's leaving. and, you know, although you could say that it's, you know, it's the typical kind of serious YouTuber video, but it still felt genuine. Then you go to Ian's video. It starts out with the camera on his face. He's sitting down. He's like, there's some very serious, like, sad puppy dog eyes.

And he talks about Anthony leaving. But then he says, but you know what? It's not just me and Anthony. It's a whole team of people. the camera pans around and there's like an entire production staff there is like we have all these writers and it literally it turns into a fucking dumb skit

where it loses all sense of personability if that's a word and and it's the entire rest of this video is this weird complete lack of self-awareness with him essentially just saying like oh yeah Anthony wasn't that important anyway

we're still going to be fine and just it turns into this this show reel of look how many people we have working on this fucking dumb YouTube channel. They have like six writers. Isn't that embarrassing with how unfunny and shitty their videos are? Well, that's why they're so unfunny and shitty. People doing this. That video to me was like this perfect, unintentional representation of just the differences between them

and just how much of a corporate soulless machine Smosh has become as a brand. Of course. It's just like that video is just evidence enough. And no, it's so strange that, that Ian can post that and not realize what he's doing or, like, what he's unintentionally saying. It's just so not self-aware at all. It's fascinating to me. He considered that, and then they told them not to do that? No.

The Smosh brand, like, five people who run. No. I mean, they're, I guess in theory, it's him running. But, like, look at, look at the content they make. It's, yeah. You know? It's garbage, I know. They're probably rejoicing because they know it would be big news.

So that's lots of useful, then. I guess so. But anyway, yeah, that was just to give an example, I guess. No, that is a, it's a great example. I mean, they do well still because they're profiting off, one, the fact that they used to make funny videos in theory. And two, that they have a really good marketing team now, so they know how to appeal to that audience, right? Without making more jokes that, you know, like, let's just throw in fart jokes. Kids like fart jokes.

So I've got a suggestion. So we're coming up to I've been recording for like An hour and a half We've answered the first half of this video making Process question In terms of how we started But not necessarily what the process is

Do you want to save the actual process part for next week Because we've still got wild And we've still got real questions And I just feel like Yeah we're at a hour and a half already Is that fine? And that'll give us more to talk about next week too I have way more Simon Cade bashing

Okay perfect So yeah, we talked about how we got to the point where we were competent enough to start YouTube, I guess, or where we started with in our background with editing or our interest, I guess. So we'll talk about the actual process two weeks from now because otherwise this episode is going to be way too long. I don't want to have to edit through all that shit. Yeah, for sure. All right. So the next segment of the podcast that we have is a. movie discussion segment.

This is a spoiler discussion. Spoilers. If you do not wish to be spoiled for the film that we are talking about, then either go watch the movie and come back, or there's some time stamps in the description so that you can skip

this section if you wish to do so. And we will also be discussing another film on the next episode. So make sure you watch the, at least the very end of this episode to know what that movie is so that you can be prepared in two weeks from now when we're talking about a different movie. So, Ralph, want to start this one off? Yeah, absolutely. So the film I recommended

two weeks ago was Wild at Heart, a film by David Lynch, the infamous David Lynch. He's an amazing guy. He's an incredibly entertaining, funny guy in person, and he makes really interesting movies. I want to know first you guys, your experience with David Lynch films, how many you've seen, if you like him. If you've seen his Kinawa video, have any of you seen his Kinawa video? Is that the single shot thing?

No. I do know what you're talking about, Adam, but there's this video, which is pretty awesome. I like that one a lot. Oh yeah, it was so cool. He used like an old film camera and like it had to be one shot. If you guys don't know what this is, you should look that up to. It's really awesome. But he also has this video where it's just him cooking quinoa and it's like 25 minutes long and it's the most

entertaining fucking thing and all it is is black and white him cooking kinkinwa and then while it's cooking he tells a story about some bus he went on it's the funniest shit i fucking loved it so i highly recommend that as well but yeah i want to know david lynch what do you guys think of him Alex have you seen a lynch film um i've seen this one i've just trying to think i've seen I'm definitely the least experienced with him compared to you guys. Properly lynched. I haven't been lynched yet, guys. So this is my proper introduction, I'd say.

So I'm a true new when it comes to this guy. So you've picked the first proper intro. I must have seen something before, but it must have been so long ago. I can't remember. So, yeah, that's my experience. This is a good starter, David Lynch film. aside from blue velvet, which is like everyone's seen because it's great. So I didn't want to be so obvious with that one.

I believe that the first film I saw from him was Mulholland Drive, which was recommended to me by the same drama teacher that I talked about. Oh, really? Yep. I think it was actually during the point in time where I was filming the documentary because I would follow her around sometimes and ask her questions or like interview her. And some of that was in her office. and she had like a poster or DVD or something.

I was like, ooh, what's that? And she talked about it and I was like, oh, cool. And I checked it out. I enjoyed it the first time I watched it. Was a little bit confused, obviously. Of course. And that one I've probably seen the most out of any of his films. And I probably would consider that to be my favorite.

Aside from that, there's a lot that I haven't seen that I really want to. He directed what? Last Highway, is that one of his film? Lost Highway is one. Yeah, I know that one's supposed to be really good. Inland Empire is really far out there. Yeah, that's one that I have seen. So from 2006, I think, right?

And that's got Laura Dern and Jeremy Irons. And so 2006 was a point in time where I would go on IMDB and I would find recent films that had Jeremy Irons in them because I think he has a very sexy voice. And so I just wanted to watch more movies where I could hear him speak. Really? Okay, that's interesting. And so, in some ways, it was a blessing, and in some ways it was a curse.

So I got to see Inland Empire. But I also saw the wrong version of Lolita. So I watched the Jeremy Irons one and not the Kubrick one. I'm looking forward to the Kubrick one. Oh, the Kubrick one's terrific, dude. Yeah, of course. Anyway, so yeah, Inland Empire, that was, I mean, that got. That went into the realm of just kind of pretentious with like the bunnies and shit, but whatever.

Yeah. I mean, it's, I'd like to see it again, but it's, uh, it didn't really do it for me. I kind of, yeah, that's how I, I kind of backed out of it like 20 minutes in. And I'm like, I can't, this is not something I can do right now. It's just way too pretentious for me, right now at this moment anyway. And then obviously the movie you recommended. And then the, um, the only other one that I think I've seen from him. and this is a story that always pisses a lot of people off

was I rented the film Eraserhead and I rented it on DVD and it was like a one day rental or whatever two days I don't remember but I was basically I had the rental I was like in my bed about to watch this movie and you know eventually go to sleep it was just the you know end of the day kind of movie thing and I was looking forward to it and I was like hell yeah

eraserhead I've heard somebody go things about this and um the movie was playing and about halfway through the movie i was like you know what i'm getting actually kind of tired um so out of respect for the film because i want to experience this in my in my most awakened state and not be watching it while falling asleep i'll stop the film now i'll sleep i'll get up and then i'll finish the film but uh i uh i wound up uh inadvertently discovering that uh david lynch for a period of of time was so adamantly against chapter selections that he would not allow his DVDs to be released

with chapter selections in them. So then I woke up and I was like, okay, I want to continue from where I left off and I couldn't and I couldn't skip to the next chapter and my DVD player had like, what, like four time speed max? And I was like, this is bullshit. And I never finished it.

And I've only seen half of a racerhead because David Lynch is just such an asshole that he completely refused to have chapter selections on his DVDs and his justification for that was he's like oh no you have to watch the movie all in one sitting

otherwise you're not really watching it and he has these really fucking pretentious rants on just how wrong people are for watching movies in ways that he doesn't want them to there's this clip on YouTube where you can see him like you haven't watched a fucking movie

if it's on your fucking phone You can't watch a movie on your fucking phone I can't believe if people watching movies on their phones He's a senile old pretentious Crazy asshole and I I think that he's talented and that he has a lot to offer And obviously he has and obviously he has inspired A lot of people and a lot of works over time

And you know he's a very Important influential filmmaker But Jesus fucking Christ Let people watch it the way they want to watch it Because the only reason why I stopped halfway through Was because I was trying to your fucking work and I didn't want to watch it falling asleep you asshole Jesus we're just shitting on everybody today David Lynch Simon Kane fucking

smosh but yeah I'm gonna cast I that's true I kind of agree with you Adam I think he's a bit of a loon yeah he also he comes from that era where like film was the most important thing ever and he's got like lots of big opinions and he's he's a little full of himself but yeah I never finished it I would love to get the criterion and watch it sometime I just never got around to finishing it and people get pissed off at me every time I tell that story because they think that I'm at fault I totally getting it but it's like it was a rental I wanted to take it back I didn't have the fucking time or the energy or patience to fast forward four times speed like 45 minutes through a movie I was just like okay well thanks mr. lynch you know

I guess I won't watch the rest of your movie this is your fault because I looked up online I was like, oh, this is, he did this. This was his idea. That's something I could totally see him saying, even though I've never seen him say that. It's, I mean, I kind of agree with him in a way, like, his movies kind of put you in this trance, and you slowly just kind of need to absorb yourself in it. And if you, if you take yourself out halfway through and put yourself back in, it's not going to be the same. He's a, yeah, but you should have the ability to do that, you know? You should have the option. You should have the, but I can see what's the same. And I mean, Obviously, he has to have changed his mind at this point, because the criterion releases, to the best of my knowledge, have chapter selection.

Oh, yeah? I think they just called him a loon and, like, yeah, we're releasing it however we want. And he is, but like you said, he's a very interesting filmmaker. And no one quite makes movies like him, even though the stories he tells in many ways are very, you know, simple in terms of the base level. I mean, especially this movie. It's literally like a road trip movie across. you know, the country, and that's all it is. But the way he tells it, it's unlike anything you've ever experienced.

So I guess we can get into the movie now. Yeah, let's do that. So as a first time Lynch film, what did you think of a lost highway? I'm sorry, wild at heart. Yeah, the other one. Yeah, lots of roads in his movies. I'm interested why you say this one's like a good lynch. starting movie.

It's one of the most normal ones. The most normal ones. Yes. You can fucking believe that. He's not even exaggerating. It is. This one has a plot

and a beginning, middle, and end that makes sense. Alex, I encourage you to watch Inland Empire and give us your thoughts on that. Yeah. That is one of the, that is nonsense. He shot that movie on like the shittiest possible camera that existed at the time.

Because it's like an anti-Hollywood movie. I get it. But it's like, he doesn't care if anyone likes his movies or anything. And I kind of respect that. Yeah. He makes movies for himself and that's it. You got to respect the balls of that.

Yeah. Yeah, it clearly has its same vision. But personally, I'm kind of split right down the middle. But everything I like about it, there's something I equally dislike about it. Sure. It might change over time, but I thought overall it was kind of just a mixed bag for me.

I thought the performances were good. I like the idea of the story, but the problem is it just seemed kind of aimless to me. I was just envisioning the whole time, man, I really would have liked to have seen this story under the hands of like, I don't know, the Coen Brothers or something who would have focused it a bit more. or yeah about about an hour in i think it was it was really starting to lose me a bit um until william defoe came in and then um with his teeth that that gripped me a bit more um yeah i don't know there's just something about it they didn't really work for me there wasn't anything that i found that creative in terms of visual presentation i thought in that regard it was it was kind of held on the backs of the performances more than anything and just kind of random weird things that started

happening no is a I mean like that's that's a part of the Lynch style is random weird yeah exactly I'm sure this is something I'd be able to look back on after seeing more of his movies and comment on in a different light but as like I'm just I can only comment from my very first experience with them one of his films I would say Mulholland Drive is probably one of the better starter Lynch films I don't know if you agree with me Ralph yeah yeah I agree I think Mahon Drive, the interesting thing about this movie, too, even though I picked it, I don't think it's a great movie. I do think it's very interesting and a very good starter, David Lynch, but I do have some complaints with it as well.

And I totally get where Alex's coming from, because the first time I saw it, I'm like, yeah, I liked it, but like, what the fuck was any of that? I feel like the simplicity of the plot almost is a negative in terms of, I wanted it to be either more weird or more normal. I feel like the balance wasn't, it didn't really work for me. I think the balance works because essentially, I think he's more concerned with the emotion of the storytelling rather than whether it logistically makes any sense, right? And this is basically a movie about the two young Star Cross lovers go across the country and like, oh, we're going to, you know, we're going to be free and we're young and we're individuals and whatever.

And they slowly grow up and realize the world is a much more fucked up place. than that and the movie slowly gets much more darker and darker as it goes along and that's kind of a theme within all of his movies so once once you approach it from that angle i think it begins to have a bit more focus and make a bit more sense and is not as random you know but i get what you're coming from and this is definitely i like that aspect on paper more than i do in execution because it's it's such a simple story and like it's a kind of thing that should hit you in some way emotionally but I really didn't feel anything particularly throughout the whole film I was kind of just right in the middle through a whole way like there was some laughs admittedly I found some things funny I laughed to you know Nicholas Cage mostly in that fucking oh yeah he's snake jacket which he was his idea yeah yeah oh yeah it was his idea to have the snake jacket in the film despite the constant reincorporation of that line.

Yeah. It's supposed to represent freedom. Yeah. It represents my individualality. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. It's brilliant.

There's some great moments and great lines like when he says you start smoking at the age of four. And when he learned, I think you, when he learns that Laura Dern is pregnant and he lights two cigarettes in his mouth instead of one. Oh yeah. That's funny. A little touch is like that. That was brilliant too. And, um. There's some excellent stuff like that.

And when Willem Defoe shot guns his head off and it just explodes. Oh, that was great. And the dog walks out with someone's arm. Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing, like, that kind of comedy didn't gel that well for any of the drama for me. I would want more comedy or more drama as opposed to not really... It's a very strange style. Uh-huh.

Yeah, I think it might just be that more than anything. like as a first Lynch movie, it's quite strange, weird, and different. I think there are others that are more consistent in tone than this, but I kind of love the inconsistency of the tone

in this. I think the execution is what saves it. And... Yeah, I would strongly recommend Mulholland Drive for you, Alex. Yeah. And also... And I'm not even like a huge lynch fan. Like, I don't suck his dick like a lot of people do. No. I'm not either.

but like the I'm just fuck I forgot what I was gonna say anyway Adam I'll remember say what you thought I I also well so I enjoyed it overall I um I also have you know

some mixed feelings about it I'm glad to have experienced a lynch film from this time period because you know I I want to see more older lynch material he kind of operates in the sense where

you know how when I was talking about Houssu and I said that it operates in a way where it's almost above criticism in some senses where a lot of things that you would normally point out as being like cheesy or unrealistic

actually add to the film in Housou and I think that Lynch kind of operates in the same way but not as well as a film like Housu because there's still parts there's still there's still things about it where I'm like eh that's kind of dumb like why

opening scene the guy who's going to kill him literally tells him he's going to kill him and tells him who paid him to do it and it's like that kind of like that's that just sets off the whole plot device you didn't need to do that if you're paid to kill somebody you should just kill him sort of thing but who knows like perhaps it's it's almost impossible to decipher

whether or not it was an oversight or whether or not it was just something that was entirely intentional, I guess. Yeah. Again, it's just because it's Lynch. His movies don't have, yeah. They don't have a logic. In comparing Lynch to Houssu, I'm not sure that it, in Lynch's case, that it makes the film better.

Whereas in Housu, it adds to it. In Lynch's film, it's just one of those like, hmm, should I criticize it sort of things, that it doesn't really add to it. They could have not been there and it would have been just as good or better. A large part of Lynch's style is parody and the parody of elements in Hollywood movies. And there's a lot of that in this where, like you said, dumb shit like that is like a total... I mean, this is why a movie like this doesn't win the palm to oar usually. Something like this silly, the palm de ore. But there's a...

Because he's making fun. Like, again, how he's making fun of the idea of like, oh, these two star-cross lovers are going to go across the country and have a great time. But they go across, they come across all this horrible shit. He's making fun of movies like that where you're like, oh, yeah, the two dumb characters are going to go in this journey. But they're going to find all this fucked up shit along the way. So I get that. I mean, Mahal and Drive is obviously a critique on Hollywood movies like that. And same thing with Blue Velvet and same thing with an empire.

Not so much racerhead. But, like, it's a big theme on a lot of this stuff is parody for the comedy's sake. Yeah, there's certainly a lot that made this movie interesting and unique. again, just I guess in the same vein as what I just mentioned, just a lot of weird kind of surreal or almost comedic things. Like, should I shoot him

in the brain? Yeah. With a gun. In the forehead. And he says lots of brain damage. And that's really, like, I mean, just these very strange characters that exist in this universe.

That I love. I love the same. soundtrack. His use of music's always great. My favorite example of music is like whenever the, I think it was whenever the hitman was shown on screen, there would be this kind of like very subtle, quick, low music hit like that, boom, like that. I just, that was so incredibly effective. I really enjoyed that. There's a lot of weird, awkward moments, I guess, too, like the concert scene where the band finishes, like they play their song and literally nobody applauds or anything. And it's the room is just quiet enough that this dialogue conversation can take place and and um and nick cage

can start singing some elvis and the band suddenly knows how to play that even though they were playing a completely different genre i love that again that's like totally make of fun yeah yeah that's it was clear by the end of that scene that it's like that's totally intentional um yeah so that was kind of funny and interesting that's why it works for me because he sets all that up in the beginning like this is fantasy world nothing in this world makes logically any sense sense. So you just got to go with it because this is my, you're in my movie now. I do agree with Alex in the sense that it is, the first half of the movie is relatively slow. Like it's a slow pace sort of thing, the first hour. And Willem Defoe, as soon as he shows up and that

conflict is introduced to the story, then it's much more engaging and not just from his performance, but like the conflict itself also. Things start moving along because the whole first hour of the movie it's kind of like it's it's a little repetitive in terms of the information and what's happening it's like oh they love each other they're gonna fuck again and the hitman and the mom's evil and the wizard of Oz and you know like it's it's a lot of repetition for the first half the wizard of Oz stuff is something I did not like that was way too over the top and yeah that's that's an example of it going too far I thought that was I was enjoying it for parts I liked I would they did it too much one of those things where I wish it was a bit

more subtle. Me too. Yeah. That's what I'm saying about the balance of the ridiculous parody. It would have been a bit more effective if it was more subtle, I think. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't think it works all the time, but once Wilm DeFoe shows up, it gets that clashing of tones gets really good.

Like the scene when Willam DeFoe comes in and like almost rapes Lord Dern. Oh, that's an amazing scene. And you're like, oh my God. That's when the movie starts getting good again. Yeah. And then and then he's like saying, like fuck me say that and then she does and he goes I love to sweetheart but I gotta get going and he runs out and like all of his fucking laughed at that like just that switching of tones is brilliant I love I love when he does stuff like that yeah that was the the biggest shift in a character that I've seen from Willem Defoe and I've never seen a lot of his

older performances I guess like this was probably the earliest um Willem Defoe performance I've seen so maybe that's part partly to do with it but but he seems completely different than a lot of the other characters he plays. Oh, yeah. Very effective. The hilarious teeth that he has. The ridiculously evil teeth.

I mean, he looks like Satan. He's literally dressed and has the hair of Satan. I guess to bring it back to the Wizard of Oz stuff. Yes, we got off track. There were parts of it that, you know, if it were more subtle, I would have enjoyed it a lot more. There are aspects that I would have liked to have kept in the film, like the curly shoe.

That was a nice subtle one. I mean it was in your face but still subtle like as long as a lot of the other elements were there weren't there It was acceptable enough. Yeah and then the hallucination of the witch on the road. It's like that could be taken as some sort of like Exaggerative You know interpretation in his own mind of how he doesn't like the character, but you don't necessarily have to relate it to the Wizard of Oz just yet But as soon as it gets to the point where they're at the like the they're around the the fire in the yard or whatever the character literally says out loud everybody has to have some sort of a dog like toto from the wizard of Oz and he said he literally says like toto from the Wizard of Oz and it's like why explain why do you have to explain it like that you know like it just it felt uh almost borderline insulting I completely agree it felt very forced doesn't Lord Dern at the beginning say like oh my mom is like the wicked witch of the West or some shit like that she had a line similar to that I'm like, yeah.

It's really in your face. Exactly. To a point where it's like, all right, this is just stupid now. I think that if you cut out like half of the references to Wizard of Oz, it would have been just subtle enough to not be in your face, but present enough so that most people watching it would figure it out and be like, oh, cool. You know, like I like that kind of association or connection, you know, like that. What is that called? a what is that word I do this all the fucking time all the fucking time allusion

I think sure allusion that that works I think that word that word is appropriate to allude to something I did enjoy the film overall and I would probably watch it again yeah wow and if I made a best what was that 1990 if I made a best 1990 films list it would either be somewhere near the bottom or on a guilty pleasure or something it'd be something that I at least mentioned for sure

on the list. It's a very, there's a lot going on in this movie. Yeah. And that's, where all those are kind of like, huh. And when it's over, you're kind of like, huh, well, I got to kind of take that in for a bit. Yeah, like my reaction when it was over was, okay. Yeah, mine was kind of like, what? Yeah, you're like, what the, what was I supposed to get out of that?

Yeah. But, I really like, all of these things you're saying, I'm like, yeah, I agree with that. I noticed that. I don't know, I just didn't have any reaction to anything. I know exactly what you mean. I don't feel anything. And it's like, well, maybe if this was slightly more condensed, then the punch would be a bit more satisfying. But it's the fact you have to sit there for like two hours and five minutes.

But I was entertained throughout the thing with Lynch too is he's great at working with actors and he's great at making characters. And that really helped me through it for a lot of it. even if characters showed up for five minutes, they were entertaining for however long they were there for, you know, and then they were gone. Yeah, I like the... I was still always entertained by them. I like the part where the guy's in the hotel room and there's hyenas on the TV and he just goes, ah, or for like the whole reason. Yeah.

And I'm wondering, I don't know if that was like a reference to the guy saying, like, everyone has a dog or if, like, if there was a purpose for that or if it was just to be fucking, hey, I'm David Lynch and I put weird things in my movies. You know? It's a total reference, probably. Probably. I would have to... That was my first thought, I guess. It was so strange. But it was hilarious at the same time. One thing I do really like about the movie, some of the scene transitions were fantastic.

Yes. The lighter flame to the yellow robe paint. The dancing legs on the bed to the dancing legs at the concert. Those were very, very well done. And I love when a film, you can tell how planned out it is that they're able to do that. It's not just like, oh, yeah, show up on set. Like, where do I put the camera?

Like, you know that there's a storyboard of how the scene should transition. And I love that kind of intent in a film. Yeah. Nothing felt incompetent in terms of how it was executed. It was just like, why is he doing this? More like... Some parts just felt like kind of a mess. Uh-huh.

It wasn't an incompetent mess, but it was kind of a mess. Yes. The biggest, I think the biggest complaint I have is, not the mother character because I think she's like wonderfully over the top and she's actually Laura Dern's mother in real life I believe oh not really so which yeah which was very interesting to hear but it was just the fact that her subplot kind of went nowhere it kind of just ended I don't even remember how it like it just it ended I mean by the end of the film like she was still I mean the information that we were presented with was that she wanted to kill him because she thought

that he had witnessed the arson of her husband and that she didn't want him the information getting out right that was what was introduced as the motivation behind her character but by the end of the film when he had already like spent some time in jail and now he's back out and the you know

like he was in jail for years it's back he's back out he's just all he wants to do is just get back in this relationship and yet she's still trying to prevent that and she will she's she's like freaking out like oh no it's the worst thing in the world but it's like

that wasn't the motivation that she had before because like if she was still in the mindset of oh I don't want this information getting out then that's not how she would be reacting she'd be like well I guess he hasn't said anything for like five years so you know like what if she lost the plot it's like the character motivation is completely changed you know yeah it's like the film forgot that that's why

or at least that was explained to us as why she was doing what she was doing and instead it's just like oh I hate him in general you know that was weird for every question like that you have I always just thought the answer was eh I don't give a shit like that's what he was thinking he doesn't care like this is his vision

and that's that's partly true wants I empathize with that so much Alex when it comes to Lynch films because like I love Hodorowski obviously but when I watch his films I can feel that every scene has some sort of at least emotional purpose and has a connection to something in his life where even if the metaphor isn't obvious or maybe it's too obvious there's some

there's an insane amount of of purpose and thought and care going into his films when hodorowski makes a movie as cryptic as it may be he's essentially like fucking cutting himself open and and spewing his blood onto the film reel, right? Whereas with Lynch, a lot of the times, I think he kind of just throws shit in there and goes, eh, because it's different, you know? I don't feel like everything that Lynch puts in his films has a purpose to him, even on an emotional sense.

I think that sometimes he just throws in to be really weird because he likes weird things. Sure. I mean, I don't totally disagree with you. My frustration comes from most of all, the fact that I can see. the potential for like a really gripping story in here somewhere, but the presentation of it and how just strange and bizarre and weird it is, almost for the sake of just being weird,

kind of just makes it annoying. I know we had the discussion last episode about pretentious directors and or what makes something pretentious. And as much as like, again, I'll repeat myself, I think Lynch is incredibly talented and influential, one of the most important directors of all times. time, but he's incredibly pretentious at the same time. I do, Lynch would be up there for pretentiousness

sure. If I were to find that. After this film ended, it didn't make me want to jump into another one of his movies, you know, particularly. I just have to be in the, in the right mood to appreciate, you know, something like this. You have to be on drugs. Yeah,

basically, you know. Jank him. Yeah, you have to snob. Yeah, you have to be on fucking Jankham. It's listed as a comedy, comedy crime drama. And I don't feel like it does really any of those things particularly well. Like it's funny at times. There are obviously crime elements, but it's not, you know, it's not that interesting just on that alone.

And there are dramatic elements that are really interesting, but they're not really expanded upon in any meaningful way that emotes any response from me. So to me, I'm just kind of left like, well, I watched it, I guess. It's fine. I'm just right down the middle. I don't think anything is like bad about it as a thing. It's not like, yeah, I didn't like, I don't know, any tenical aspects or anything like that. It's more just the fact that his vision doesn't align with what I want from a movie particularly, especially if one, when you read the description,

young lovers, Sailor and Luna run from the variety of weirdos that Lula's mom has hired to kill Sala. That's like such a loose concept. You can imagine so much, so many different interpretations of that. And I just think that any number of my favorite directors could have done a much more entertaining job at interpreting that kind of story. Because I know this is based on a novel, and I doubt the novel is told in this kind of way. I don't know. I haven't read it, but...

I completely doubt it. Yeah. I think he's just fucking making fun of the novel. Again, I like this movie because he makes fun of fucking movies like this. That are dumb. And that's why I got so much enjoyment out of it. I mean, I mean, logically, you could say, like, why didn't Lula have sailor executed in prison? Because that would have been much easier than going on this wild goose chase, right?

There's a lot of, yeah. There's a lot of shit like that. There's some things where he's just, like, he doesn't really care because he can, he can hide under a mask of. I totally, I got that too. I could totally see him, I could totally see him going like, eh, that doesn't matter. It's the emotion of the story that matters. and sure david when you can so clearly see what the director's intent was and you can see exactly what they were going for and it's still not working for you then it's just one of those

you know agree to disagree kind of things but it's like i can see what someone could get out of this but me personally um it just didn't do it for me particularly um ralph do you know do you know why his nose was different at the end Oh, because he got punched? Yeah, I thought that was because he was just attacked. Oh, it was like, terrible. I mean, like, he's wearing like a plaster nose. Again, that's, is David Lynch going like, ah, it looks fine.

We're making fun of stupid movies like this. I tried to look that up online, and I couldn't find anybody explaining why that happened. And the best guess that me and my roommate came up with is that perhaps during the fight choreography, he got punched in the nose for real. and they had to like put something over top or something like I don't oh really well I don't know like that was our best guess just to accentuate that he was you know attacked and punched yeah I thought it was like an entirely new let go back and look at the end it was like a new layer of nose where it wasn't it didn't look like Nick Cage's nose but broken it didn't it didn't look like like oh yeah that's the character's broken nose it looked like he was wearing a fucking fake nose like a new no it wasn't

even the same shape. It wasn't even the same color. It was like much lighter than the rest of his skin and it was so weird. Maybe it represents how he woke up. You can see you can you can you can look at it the end credits song is posted on YouTube. Go to that and look at his fucking nose and tell me what the hell that's supposed to be because I'm really fucking confused here. Like I mean if it was supposed to imply that that was from the fight in the story shouldn't it be bleeding or something? I don't know. It was never that never happened. He just has a different nose and I don't Never expected you to question it that far. Like a lot of things of this movie, like, I just didn't even bother questioning.

It's just like, I just take it as it comes. Just Lynch decided it's weird, so it's in the movie. Yeah, that's the kind of philosophy eye for. Maybe it represents how he woke up a new man. Hmm, he got woke. He literally looks different. Yeah, exactly. So he has a new nose now.

Yeah. That scene is excellent, too, where he gets knocked out by a bunch of random bugs. Reference, I don't know. Well, the fairy was. Who came down? And it's like, you need to find your true love. And he wakes up, he's like, thank you gentlemen for getting into this fight with me. Because I now know I got to find my true love.

That was one of my favorite moments of the film was right before he got knocked out. And he says, the hell you faggots want for like no reason. Because he's sailor. That's awesome. Did you guys think I'm being fair to the movie? I think it's being totally fair. I don't think. Yeah. I, I, I, uh, my rating for this film, I would give it like a seven. It was, it would not be an eight. Uh, it might be a six. I might, I don't know. But, um, like I said, like I would, if I include it on my list, it would be near the bottom or my guilty pleasures for 1990. Like, it's something that I, um, very much appreciate and I see, you know, there, there's a lot of value in it. But at the same time, I agree with you. The first half was very slow. I'm not like eager to watch it again. Um, right away. And I can totally understand. And I can totally understand.

understand even though you can appreciate elements in it that you know it's not something that you get that much enjoyment out of yeah I didn't want to be that one guy that's like oh I didn't like you didn't get it man yeah yeah exactly I get it you get it you stupid asshole I understand everything you guys are saying I just I fucking love this guy so I don't care yeah yeah I picture this I picture this kook going like it doesn't matter it's about the emotion I want to I want to get your opinion on this Ralph. Would you say

that there is a significant amount of people that only like David Lynch films because they think it makes them look smart? Well, I go to film school where there's like, that's half the fucking population.

So yes. Yeah. I think a lot of them see it, right? And they think it means something. And they're willing to put up with a bunch of bullshit because they go like, oh, Lynch put it in there for a reason.

And I'm out of that opinion. I think, yeah, it's a trust. It's like, but it's not, you know, you would never know. You're just, you have faith in the director that there must be some sort of reason for this being that. And that it's above my head and that I'm not smarter than the movie. The movie's smarter than me.

Yeah, that's it. When really David Lynch is a fucking old cook who does random shit sometimes. See, sometimes I imagine how people would respond to some of these movies if you took out the name and you didn't know who directed it, you didn't know who was involved, and you just got that reaction. The name is half of it because they trust Lynch as an artist that he does have reasons for it.

And I don't think he always does. I think certainly some of it is, right? But that's something you have to earn. You can't just fucking like, if David Lynch's first movie was Inland Empire, everyone would hate him. But now that he's David Lynch, he can make a movie like that and everyone would go, okay, he has reasons for doing it. And I've gotten that complaint before, watching a Lynch movie. And they're like, Ralph, you just didn't get it, man.

And I'm like, no, he's a crazy kook. And sometimes he makes good movies. But I love him. Uh-huh. That's why he has a 25-minute video of him cooking Kienwa. I like his hair. I'll give him out. Oh, yeah, I love him as a person.

He's fascinating to listen to. If you're going to listen to a filmmaker, listen to David Lynch, you know, he's a really interesting guy, not Simon Cade who pretends to teach you who pretends to teach you how to make movies well he's never made a movie in his life I was actually thinking about

the name that Lynch had made for himself when I was considering that this one the palm da ore because I wholeheartedly believe that like if the exact same film was submitted to Cann and it wasn't David Lynch then it probably would not have

have gotten the same response from can because at that point David Lynch had definitely made a name for himself and there's this kind of expectation of what what is people have an idea of what to expect from the director in the same way that people have an idea of what to expect from Quentin Tarantino at this point you know and yeah I think that you know especially in a setting where you're watching films in a theater being screened and everybody seeing it the first time and there is no level of expectation from other reviewers or anything and it's all fresh than watching the film. I think that, you know, they're in that environment especially, there would probably be a lot of just, oh, faith in the director, this is David Lynch,

there's something that's over my head sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a lot of it. Not to say that it's a bad pick. I don't know what else was at Cannes that year. Sure. Perhaps even if it wasn't David Lynch, it would have won the palms. or because there wasn't anything else that was better. Who knows? Definitely not. Have either of you guys seen the elephant man? I have not.

Neither of you have. That to me looks like one that would resonate with me a bit more than something like this. I don't know. Yeah. You know what I haven't seen that one yet? I'm guessing there's some weird ass shit in there too. Probably. I mean, when I say this is a good first David Lynch, I mean, this is a perfect mix of his, like,

Cooky old man antics and like a story that makes sense This is the best this is the best David Lynch movie to watch for the first time Mahal and Drive gonna recommend it again But Mahal and drive like it's deceptive and how normal it is for most of it and then the last 20 minutes just goes bonkers You know so it seems to have a bit more of an artistic Purpose sure yeah I think it's definitely much better movie compared to a lot of other Lynch films especially yeah I mean certainly an interesting movie we've been talking about it for a while what about Dune oh yeah I haven't seen

that one yet I saw Hodorowski is doing the documentary oh Dune is not good Dune is just not good I shot what I heard yeah dude fucking Villeneuve and Deacons are doing Dune now yeah how hyped are you I'm hyped yeah same I don't even give a shit about the Dune universe I'm just excited for more Villeneuve and Deacons yeah it's a big enough property that I know a lot of money's gonna be thrown out at it which just gets me very excited gets me hard. Mm. Are we done with a lynch?

I think so, Ralph, what would you rate it out of ten? I do star ratings now because I'm on letterboxed. Oh yeah. Like three, four star, like three. Three is good. Okay. Yeah, it's a good movie. You don't do half stars?

Nah, let's keep it simple. Three stars. Okay. So your rating is lower than mine then? So I'd give it a three as well, which is interesting because, like I sound way more negative than you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I gave it a seven, so. I do like this movie a lot. I'm a half point above Ralph, even though he enjoys it a lot more than me. I mean, I enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, well, if it was like out of ten, I'd probably be on the same level, like seven. But, you're round.

Well, you can do half stars if you want. I'm just saying. No, dude. You're not stopping you from your half stars. No! I think Roger Ebert did half stars. You don't want to be like Roger Ebert? Roger Eber

Are you out of four stars Or you have to be out of five stars? Because it's supposed to be out of four stars, isn't it? You're doing five stars? You're on letterboxed. You're doing five stars. I give it a thumbs up. Actually, David, like,

Roger Eber, he had to David Lynch in all of his movies. He thought he was a pretentious dip back. I think I actually read on the Wikipedia page one of the negative reviews that was listed there was from Roger Ebert. Oh, yeah. He does not like, and he thinks Lynch is like a sexist or something.

Like, he doesn't fucking treat women while in those movies. He's always using those objects. I don't agree with that, but I mean... Yeah, we'll have to ask Laura Dern. We'll have to ask Roger Ebert himself.

We can rebuild him. We have the technology. I do love him. I don't want to knock Roger Ebert. Oh, man. I'm looking at rogeriebert.com right now. What a shit site this is now. Oh, yeah. You know what I really fucking hate?

What? Is when we see now in current year, we see reviews for a movie on the poster, on the DVD, whatever, saying this movie was excellent, and then the quote, roger ebert.com. But it's like, there's an individual on that website

who wrote the review, but you're not including the individual's name because it makes it look like Roger Ebert somehow supports this, and I guess you're trying to trick people that don't know he's dead, I guess. What is this? That's bullshit. Of course. It's stupid.

It is. You don't speak for him. Tomb Raider's got three stars. He's not a person anymore. He's a fucking brand. Fuck off. Oh shit What a shame

So that's that Yeah Ralph lead us away Into the Territory of the questions Sure Of which we should probably only answer A couple

Yeah Yeah yeah Let's do like two Alex do you have any Yeah yeah I have some All right so how about you ask one And then I'll ask one Okay this is a simple one

All right From Dexter Lecter 99 who says, would you date someone who has awful taste in movies? Yeah, of course. Most females I've ever met in my life. Fucking, they have awful taste in movies. Really?

They do. Well, I date dudes, so they have no excuse. Yeah, exactly. These simple women don't. No, no, no, no. But the thing is, when you date some film, is a language and you got to teach it right so you watch their movies with them and you see what's likable about them you're like okay this is this is not good but let me show her you know

some of the movies i like the more grounded good movies i'm trying to think of one like the revenant the revenant's a good like it's a great movie and any normie could watch it and go like oh that's an interesting film that was a well-shot movie and then from there you introduce them the more weird shit, you know? You can teach good taste and film. You can teach good taste. But even if he can't, like, who cares? Yeah.

Adam. What about you, Alex? I think I could. It just would be sort of a waste, you know? If you're so passionate about something and you spend a lot of time in revolving your life around this thing, it just seems

like a waste to not have some level to share this passion on. But I don't think it would be the be all end all necessarily as long as you have other things in common. Like more more things exist in life than movies. Of course. Like every girl I've dated

they usually don't even like movies that much. They watch them. You know? Yes. Just not passionate about them. Not passionate. Mostly just on their phones. And it's good too because you instead talk about other things. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't. But like, then you talk about

other things, things that you're not as well-versed in, and it's actually, it actually becomes a more interesting conversation, you know? Because if it's, if it's like, oh, two, film, I've dated, like, I've gone on dates with film girls, and they're fucking boring, because we just both say the same shit. Or they go like, ah, I didn't like this thing. And I'm like, oh, well, I like that thing. Yeah. And then it ends up being a fucking argument instead of a date. So I, all the best experiences I've had with girls have been girls who aren't well-versed in movies and we just end up talking about other things or ourselves, you know? I don't think it affects a relationship at all.

If someone is not as passionate about film as me, that's totally fine. If somebody just hasn't seen that many movies or hasn't seen, you know, they've only been exposed to what studios heavily push or advertise, like, nothing wrong with that if you've never dipped your toe into the world of, like, art film or, you know, older cinema. or, you know, indie, foreign language, whatever, that's fine if you've never really gotten to that point, I guess, or never even had the interest to. It would be a major turnoff, however, if, let's say, like, they watched Big Bang Theory every day. Because, I mean, that would just be, like,

that would be a day, I would just not want to spend time around them. Yeah. You know, but I guess, you know, it would also, there's other factors that would have to be included, like how much I relate to them on other things. If they're like a perfect match in everything except film, you know,

then I might have to reconsider. But I mean, the biggest problem that lies within that is that I don't censor my opinions out of just, you know, wanting to be polite. And if I'm going to share my life with somebody, then I would hope and expect

that I would be able to have kind of, conversations with them where I can disagree with them about certain things or agree to disagree I wouldn't want to be in a relationship if I were hiding my opinions even if it were just on films out of fear of upsetting

them so it would also have to do with how they take it if I were to say like I hate this because XYZ and if they if that didn't go well for them then I don't think I don't think I could be in a relationship with them because you know part of a relationship would be

trust and honesty and I wouldn't want to be tiptoeing over what I should say and shouldn't say around them. Otherwise, I just wouldn't want to date them. So it's a complicated answer, but it's a complicated question. Don't you think that it'd be better if you didn't date someone with like strong movie taste because I'd be pissed about a movie and then she would have no stake in the fight because she doesn't know what the fuck I'm talking about. So she just, so she usually just laughs at me being angry at something. If someone's... If someone's really passionate about something like movies,

that's not a negative aspect, even if there's movies that they're passionate about that I'm not even into. You know, like, as long as I can understand why they like it, then there's, you know, there's no real issue. As long as we're not, like, fighting with each other over it, you know, I don't take issue

when people enjoy things that I don't. Even though a lot of people seem to think that I have that mentality, sometimes I'll be a bit harsher in my reviews if I get the impression that more people like the film then I'll be trying to be more persuasive or angrier in my reviews

but I don't I don't get upset if somebody enjoys something that I don't like good for you that you're enjoying something you know but sure listen if she gives good head then I don't give a fuck when she watches well if you date dudes then most dudes are much better than women at head anyway or that's the stereotype that I understand how it works

That I'm yeah, I believe that. Is that true? I would, well, I haven't gotten head from a girl, so. Okay. We'll never know. We'll never know. It could just be a stereotype, but I have a feeling like,

like it's probably true. People with Dix understand Dix better, I think. Yeah, I think so. That's sound logic to me. Yeah. All right. Next question. Go on.

All right, here's mine. What are some favorite bands? Wait, that's not it. Oh, no. I was about to read one of the shit ones. Yeah. You didn't mean to do that. No.

No, I did, yeah. How do you guys come up with such garbage yet funny movies? Like, what is your process behind finding movies worth reviewing? So I guess what he's asking is like, how do we pick the movies we review? You know, which kind of ties into our process. when you tend to I focus more on like the the most garbage of garbage you can find yeah um so you wind up in that section of IMDB where it's just you just keep being recommended film after film it's like I didn't know that existed I didn't know that existed holy fuck I definitely

didn't know that existed and you just keep going and going algorithms yeah exactly um places like twitter and Reddit you're constantly being suggested um and emails and stuff certain films so if anything of note comes up, I'll find them through that way. People are constantly suggesting films and I'll quickly give them a little search to see if they have any potential and I'll either chuck on the list or not bother. It's as simple as that, really. That makes sense. Well, at this point, for sure, a lot of recommendations are sent my way. Otherwise, I mean, you know, the internet is just a very valuable resource. If you spend a lot of time searching up movies and you're passionate about it,

then you're bound to find some la hidden gems. You're bound to find some things that not everybody's on top of yet. Yeah, I mean, like there's certain films that, you know, not every YouTuber is covered that are still available. And I guess it's just a matter of digging enough to find them. You know, when I, every time I see an IMD, page. I don't just look at the page itself. I'm opening up new tabs for like, what else is this director done? What else is this actor done? And I'm interested and curious enough for my own,

you know, my own benefit that I wind up finding some cool and interesting things. Fateful findings when I found that, which is pretty, you know, early on before a lot of people had covered Neil Breen. Initially, somebody sent me a tweet and then I checked out the trailer. But, you know, people send me tweets all the time for shit that they want me to check out, but it was the trailer that I watched where I was like, there's something here. There's something here I want to see it. Going back even further than that, Bredemic, which was something I reviewed in 2011, I literally discovered that movie by just walking through HMV, a physical media store that no longer exists in Canada. I'm pretty sure. They've closed down many. Really? We have the hands still. No, yeah, yeah, I know. It's a British

company, but I think they've bailed from Canada, because there's not that many people here anyway, but yeah, I was going through the Blu-ray section, just checking shit out, and came across the Blu-ray cover for Burdemic, and I was like, this looks amazing, so I got it. And that's literally how I found the movie. Like, there was no, there was no other, like, huge buzz about it, you know, like, it was relatively minimal for the time being. And so I was one of the, one of the earlier reviews for that one. And then Cool Cat, I found just by... a trailer on the Everything is Terrible website. You know, sometimes I think that a lot of people

that are starting out in this sort of like film review community or essay or comedic videos or whatever, commentary kind of channels, I think a lot of people get trapped in the mindset that the only things worth covering are things that are already popular because you get derivative kind of attention from it based on YouTube algorithms. You know, the more attention something already has, the more it will give you.

But sometimes you just got to go for it. Like if you see something that's like that looks interesting and no one's seen it before Sometimes you just got to fucking go for it and you like who knows you might be the first You might be the person to discover it and you that might get you a lot of attention that way Like my cool cat review is my most viewed video You know? And it's nothing that I essentially Discovered and it was just so fucking hilarious that it wound up helping out my channel a lot Also the drama helped out a lot

Oh yeah that too for the period of time where my review was the only one that was accessible because every other one was copyright claim. But yeah, you just, if you see something that looks even moderately interesting, the only way to find out whether or not it's a gem is to go for it. Like, Ralph, did somebody recommend Love on a Leash to you? Like, somebody sent that to you? Yeah, a friend of mine was like, do you want to watch this movie where a woman fucks a dog? And I'm like, all right, and then we watched it.

And, yeah, it turned out to be a great thing. And that's... Because that's what I literally never heard of before you covered it. That's how I discovered it. So it's as simple as that. Like the mystery diners thing was just, I watched a show with my dad, and it was mystery diners, and it was hilarious, and I made a video of it. And then it got, you know, how many views?

Like 2 million views now or some shit? That's my most popular video, and it's of this stupid show that no one watches. Yeah. So you're totally right about that. Yeah, I think we're clearly people who are, you know, we are passionate about the media that we consume. And so, like, even if we weren't doing YouTube, we'd be watching a lot of movies. You know, we'd be just as interested even if it wasn't our jobs. And I think that there's a lot of people out there that are not necessarily passionate about it, but they want to have a successful,

like they want to be like a funny film review channel. Like they want the benefits from it. They want the stardom, the respect, et cetera. But and so, you know, of course, a lot of people are going, if they go into it with that mindset and they're not already powerful. passionate about something and they're not following their passions, then they're going to come into a lot of roadblocks and challenges when it comes to something like that, just discovering new content to cover. There's so many people that ask, like, how do I make a good review? And it's like, well, you've got to find something that you have to say, you know? You got to find something that you have an opinion on. Exactly. Like, you can't force it. And if you are forcing it, then maybe you should be doing something

different, not trying to be mean, but like, find what you are passionate about. Don't try to force yourself into something that you're not passionate about. Yeah. I don't know. If you're passionate about movies, it should just spill out of you. Because even when I was 12 years old, making those shitty-ass videos, and I had no fucking idea what it was talking about. I still managed to talk for 10 minutes, even if it was just a bunch of shit, you know? So, yeah, you just got to find something you're passionate about and talk about that. But I think my process is a bit different from you guys because I also go after the big Hollywood movies that I hate and like more actively because I fucking hate that system.

I'm glad you do because a lot of those I consider to be like not worth my time and so I'm glad that you're doing it so that I don't have to. I hate that uninspired drivel. So like movies like The Mummy, I go. Oh yeah. I thought that movie was hilarious. Oh yeah. It's terrible.

I watched that in theaters. You saw that in theaters? Oh my God. Yeah. Jesus. Well, I was at VidCon. Okay, okay. Um, but like a movie like that, this is something I've started doing recently is where I go, because I get bored making reviews sometimes. I go, all right, I'm going to review this movie, but I haven't seen the movie yet. So I'm going to, I'm going to give it this horrible negative review. And I'm going to, I'm going to have to approach it at some angle where it's interesting. And it challenges myself to come up with something interesting to say. Because if you actually saw the mommy, you know it's a fucking, it's just boring. And it's mostly just exposition. So,

I'm like, what am I going to say about this? And I mainly tackled it from the, you know, the production disaster that it was rather than the actual film, even though the actual film, I do comment on it. But I've started doing that recently, where I would just pick a movie that I haven't seen and then make a whole video around it, even though I haven't seen it yet. It's good to challenge yourself. Yeah, it is. Because I also want to make all my videos unique and different from each other in some ways. so it's not just kind of watching the same thing over and over. And I think when you do that, you know,

you find different angles to approach the same shitty-ass movies. Because all these movies, eventually when you've reviewed this many of them, these formulaic, Hollywood movies, they're all the same. So you've got to find different ways of saying the same thing. Anyway, that's my process. It's good to find new ways to do things and change what you're doing and experiment and challenge yourself. I haven't seen your mummy video yet, but I thought the movie was really funny. The opening scene, as I was watching that in theaters with Tom Cruise and his buddy,

and they're going around like Iraq or wherever. Yeah. It was like the most juvenile representation of Middle Eastern conflict I've ever seen. They might as well have had fucking Nerf guns. And I was seriously genuinely convinced at that point as it was continuing even after that fight scene ended and they were like running around going like booh-boo pew-poo like dodging bullets just running around. They don't give a shit. I was convinced that they would pull the whole, oh, he's on a film set and this is just a part of a cheesy movie. They're going to reveal that they were filming some cheesy movie.

Even when the female lead showed up, I'm like, oh yeah, she's just a total. She's a character from the cheesy movie they're filming And Tom Cruise's character They're all actors And then they're going to go to the real story And it never happened I was like what? It was actually the movie Dude especially when there's the explosion

And there's like 20 shots of it It's like the same like different angles of the same explosion Which is shit that happens all the time in these movies I love the infinite supply of mercury Below them Oh yeah that too It's interesting how we approach these movies Because you go after shit like that

Which is like so specific like these little things that annoy you and I like me I don't give a fuck about any of that stuff I'll go I could forgive stuff like that as long as the characters are good so and then Alex is just when he sees shit like this he's just annoyed and he expresses his annoyance

every single one of his videos it's great so I guess what I'm trying to say is like our process is different and I like it and we'll talk more about our processes in the next episode are we Did we all answer this question thoroughly?

I think so, Alex, did you? Yeah. Yeah. The only other one I'd add is If I really passionately hate something, like, you know that movie Sing? Oh, yeah. When I saw the trailers for that,

I was like, I'm going to really dislike this movie based on these trailers. Then I watched it, I was like, I really passionately, passionately, fucking hate this film. So I'm making a video on it. So I did that. Yeah, you guys choose good content to cover because it's very, it's like very popular content, especially, and that brings in a lot of extra people that they would just discover you for the first time.

They're like, hell yeah, I've been waiting for someone to talk about how shit this movie is. You know, it's great. Sometimes you just got to be that voice. I usually do it like seven months after movies out, so I get like time to digest it and like really take in the cultural impact it's had. Like that mummy thing I talk about the whole dark universe and how it's falling apart since it came out and oh it's hilarious Yeah Yeah

Yeah they were trying to set up yeah The fucking I love that connected universe with the mummy Yeah See like you can't you can't chronicle You can't chronicle that shit if you just release if you release a review the day the movie comes out Yeah But like seven months after you can fucking talk about how the writers left and how the producers left and

Oh man Yeah I should make a video on the mummy now that I got somebody helping out with some of my editing. Sure, why not? So we should, I guess we're done with that question and we'll move on to the closing of the podcast, if we're all comfortable with that. Sure, boy, it's your turn to review or a movie.

Yes, it is, the wheel has spun around, and now we are back to myself where I now have the power of suggesting a film for everyone to watch. and talk about on the next podcast and like I said it will be a spoiler discussion so if you don't want to have to skip the part of the next podcast where we talk about it and be spoiled then just watch the fucking movie I mentioned this in one of the previous episodes and you both said you hadn't seen it and so I'm hoping

that's still a case I kind of doubt that you guys have seen it between then and now Dancer in the Dark by Lars von Trier is my recommendation and I'm not saying home I will encourage you not to look up anything about it because there's, if you don't know anything about it, there are aspects to the film that I feel would be much more effective if you don't know

that it's coming sort of thing. In the same sense that Denny Vilnav, you know, he didn't want Harrison Ford to be known sort of thing. Yeah. You know, like experiencing that in the film having it surprise you, I feel would be much more effective. So I would say just find a copy of the movie.

I don't think it has a criterion release yet. I think the only Blu-ray that exists is a Japanese one, but Ralph, that is Region A. And it's probably on iTunes somewhere. But yeah, however you guys can find it, Dancer in the Dark by Lars von Trier. We also have a special guest,

our first guest appearing next episode. Brantany Fram Dango, the internet's music nerd. Yes, Anthony Fantano. And I told him about which film to watch as well, so he'll be joining in on the film discussion with us. and yeah that's that's my recommendation it's a don't want to say anything about it other than it will surely provide for some

interesting discussion especially with fantano in the in the conversation as well I think that's a good pick for all of us and yeah I'm curious I guess that concludes this episode of Sardonicast episode four awesome we did it yeah if you want to support us we all have our own individual YouTube channels obviously they're linked in the description there'll be other things linked in the description that we talked about during this episode like that

fucking documentary thing that I made when I was in high school and some other shit we'll figure out. The DSLR guide yeah yeah we'll link some shit I'll link the one the writing video he has because that video you have to see that shit that shit's hilarious well yeah don't don't

don't harass the guy or anything I don't no no don't I just have to throw that Okay, yeah, don't destroy the kid. Yeah, so, yeah, we'll share some links. Otherwise, we also have our own individual Patreon accounts. Some of us do. Those are linked in the description. And, yeah, thank you for watching this episode, or listening to, at least.

Any final closing words from either of you assholes? All right, well, fuck you, too. Those are my final words. Did I lie? was I wrong nope you're totally correct yeah you're right all right goodbye everybody

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