Sardonicast - Sardonicast #06: Isle Of Dogs, Boy

Episode Date: April 25, 2018

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Br-br-thre. Three, two, one. What's up? Ladies and gentlemen of YouTube, Sardonicast 2-98, coming at you live, once again, through the power of the internet. We're Sardinicast. I'm Adam from your movie sucks.

And who else? I'm... Oh, that was perfect. Why can we never start these correctly? That's exactly what I'm looking for. That's what I want. Alex. I was trying to, because I can hear I'll tell you about one.

I can say your name. Alex from I hate everything. Who is that over there I can hear? Ralph from Ralph the Movie Maker. YouTube.com slash... Shut. Okay. Hey, everybody.

Hope you're having a good... I don't even know what date this is airing. We're actually recording this a week earlier than usual. So the Fantano video was posted yesterday. Great guest, by the way. What did you guys think? Yeah. Oh, he was terrific.

I love him. He was awesome. Yes. I would suck his dick. He uh... God damn right Oh really Okay

Certainly dispelling those rumors Doing a great job It was great He was great He was awesome But like We didn't get a chance To talk about a lot of things

We wanted to talk about Well We had to talk to Anthony about stuff Oh yeah yeah yeah There's a few topics that we kind of skipped over Yeah last week And the reason why we're recording this

A week earlier than usual is because I'm actually out of town Next week Anyway that's kind of of not important. What is important is that we start talking about the given topics of the week. And so if there's this huge news story that happens before this podcast is aired and we didn't

talk about it, it's probably because we recorded this a little early. Ralph, you wanted to talk about something, didn't you? Well, I wanted to mention channel awesome, if that's okay with you guys. Yeah, sure. You should. because it's Adam you said their their incompetency has been well known for a year or so but recently a little document came out confirming our suspicions that had been a shit show version of what we're talking about here so there's a place called channel awesome where the

nostalgia critic I guess that's the most famous thing on there right it's not just a nostalgia critic yeah he almost said nutshack yeah I think I did um so Doug Walker And everyone running the company is incompetent. And there have been multiple issues like sexual, what is it? God, I forgot the word for it. Harassment? Sexual harassment. I was going to say sexual assault.

I'm like, I don't think anyone got assaulted. All kinds of sexual harassment. I'm surprised you forgot that word, given your history. Yeah, it's a weird thing. I forgot. I don't know why. So there's all kinds of sexual harassment going on behind the scenes that no one talked about. apparently Doug doesn't own the rights to nostalgia critic someone else does and they keep him on the company even though he's incompetent and he's the CEO all kinds of shit so I just wanted us to mention it a bit because I feel like we should I never really got the impression that the business was being run like a professional business it very much just seemed like the forefront of new internet media with some crazy guys and a wild dream

you know, wanting to pursue their passions, but not necessarily having the experience and know-how in terms of creating a successful business or knowing how to deal with employees, et cetera, et cetera. So I didn't read into it super far because I don't really care, but I... Okay. Well, I mean, like, it doesn't really make a difference, you know? Yeah, I get it. If somebody wants to condense it into an entertaining video, keyword being entertaining, then I'll watch it. But otherwise, I'm not, I don't really

give a shit about reading into documents of people saying other people did other things, et cetera, et cetera. I know that there's some pretty concerning allegations in there for sure. And I watched, um, Quentin Reviews. Quentin Reviews has a great video. Yeah, I saw his video on it. Mr. Medeker has made some videos on Channel Awesome in the past, which had, uh, quite a lot of hilarious, juicy things in those videos, but he's a lot more mean on his channel. Well, have you guys ever been a fan of nostalgic critic or anything on channel awesome? Alex and I were in a video of his. Well, of course, what I'm saying, were you in it because you enjoyed their content or just because

you're like, oh, we're all banding together to fight the copyright system. Yeah, it was more about... Fair use. For me. What about you, Alex? I found it odd when we were asked to partake in that. video how on the on the on the channel awesome Twitter um like I can't remember who was actually messaging me but they were like yeah okay I'll relay that to um Doug yeah so like why

can't Doug do it I don't understand yeah I hope we're not I guess I don't like to be uh well it doesn't it doesn't I like being friends with everybody that's my thing I like being friends with everybody but at the same time I don't want that to compromise my integrity and I don't think it's that big of a deal to mention this but we had a Skype call where we were in a call with nostalgia critic and the other guy whoever runs the channel awesome wait was Doug actually in that call I can't even know he was but he said like two words the entire time I don't even remember him being oh he was there he was he was just basically not talking the entire time he said a couple words and it was that was a very odd experience for me because it

was like either Doug doesn't give a shit or he's not really involved. I don't really know. I don't really know what that was about. That was just very odd, especially when, I don't know, everybody else I know, it's like when you are the forefront of your channel, especially, you know, if you're marketing yourself like that, you would think that you would have some sort of a driver passion or any sort of care to at least be the person interacting with, other people that you're trying to get on to your projects, you know? Like that was really weird. Yeah, I found that very weird. Yeah, it was really strange. I've always, not always. I mean, obviously I'm not now, but when I was younger, I love nostalgia critic and they had that, that guy with the Glass's website where all the critics would come together

and they were all friends and they all respected each other and they would all create reviews. Or were they? At first, I think, I think at first everyone was very genuine and nice, but there's a point it got so big that you need to start running it. competently like a business. But I don't think they did. No, they didn't because they still acted as if it's a bunch of friends. But really, what they were doing, they made movies every year, these anniversary movies, and they would fly people out and not pay them to work long hours.

And it's, you know, they would have to follow Doug Walker's script that he wrote for them. And it's like, yeah, well, that's when everything kind of fell apart. Yeah, I've definitely watched a few of those movies. in Rabbit with other people as we make fun of them. They are very embarrassing films. They're terrible. But at first, I love them because, again, it's about that community. Like, yeah, it's not a good movie.

Because you were a kid. Yeah, because I was a kid. And I'm like, look at all these friends. And they make content for children. Exactly. But they were all friends. And they're like, we're going to make a movie. And it's going to be shit.

But we love it because we love each other. And then that became, we're going to make Cash Cow awful movies every year. where no one wants to do them. Yeah. I didn't know they were making movies. Like, I'm so, I've never been that interested in the channel. They were like five hours long or something. Yeah, to boldly flee is a four hour long film that doesn't make any sense.

Well, they were filmed in that white room. No, they're like all kinds of locations. It's crazy. The amount of characters there are. Pretty much the same locations you'd imagine if you were 15 years old making a movie with your friends. They're like in the playground sometimes. like they're like just in the middle of a field like in a desert just like random locations where they clearly didn't have to pay any money to be there and then some green yeah yeah they did have

the effects artists for that one though i don't think he i think he did pay him actually space cop paid a minimum wage space cop had better effects oh yeah i know the guy that did the effects for space cop actually oh yeah he's can a pretty good job i got to say if only they well space cop we can save for another day let's not Yeah, let us discuss that another day if we're going to burn all of our bridges. Yeah, I'd have to watch it first. But yeah, I feel more bad for everyone involved than I am angry because I don't think anyone went into it with bad intentions, but no one knew what they were doing, and it all fell apart.

They're just a victim of how popular they become, I guess, on this unknown platform where anyone can become kind of like a huge business out of nowhere. Exactly. It was too much for them to handle. I mean, what more is there really to say about this than it's bad? Yeah. You know, like, not paying your workers and treating them poorly is bad. And, you know, the end.

They would fire people for, like, showing up late to meetings. It could kick them off the site forever. Like, crazy shit like that. Yeah. There seems to be, like, a disconnect between how a business should act ethically and the gut reactions of individuals who just so happen to have the same powers as a business, you know, just people who aren't, who really shouldn't be in positions of power if they're going to do that, you know, you should try to treat people fairly and equally, or at least how you'd

like to be treated and not be vindictive about your business approaches. Because at that point, it's no longer just like, ooh, I hate my friend and I'm going to be an asshole to my friend. it's you're taking away someone's livelihood. Yeah, exactly. And that's a very different implication. And so I can totally understand why this has become such a big deal at this point. I mean, these guys were huge inspirations for a lot of critics, including myself. And now it's just sad to see it all.

I mean, plus their content isn't going to need more. That's a whole other thing. But it's a shame. I respect Doug Walker for paving the way for a lot of what we see on the internet today. Yeah, he did. He paved the way for us. He showed us, like, movie reviews are a viable thing on the internet to make money off of. Yeah, I can't say I ever watched him before I started my shit.

I watched Red Letter Media instead. But I believe Nostalgia Critic was before Red Letter Media Planket Reviews anyway. Absolutely. And it was because of his perhaps blind stubbornness, but also his persistence that he was able to stay on the platform and continue doing what he was doing. with his five-second movie things. I remember he uploaded them on many different channels. That was the only content I'd actually seen from him back in the day. Later, I found out it was the same person doing nostalgia critic

and bum reviews and all that shit that I wasn't interested in. I don't know. The five-second movies was kind of funny. I don't have been not interested. He did one for the Lion King. It was kind of funny. I remember the bum reviews. Yeah.

Oh, well. In terms of content, I can't really say that any, or sorry, most channel awesome creators appeal to me in any way. It's just, it's all the same, you know, not all of it, because I mean, technically Chris Stuckman is or was on the website as well.

Yeah, well, that was the thing too. Everyone on the site had to fit their mold. And so they all, it all kind of produced a very similar style and it became annoying. Oh, yeah. It was... Stale, which is another thing that killed the whole site. Yeah.

I mean, it was one of those things where you could literally remove a dozen of them from the website and no one would even notice they're gone, you know? Because they're all making the exact same videos with the exact same cutaway skits, with the exact same quality, the exact same fucking camera, the exact same lighting, you know, that was the only thing that really bothered me about nostalgia critics videos for a long time. I was like, wow, you're doing this for a living. You've got tons of money. Audio.

You've spent like, what, $200,000 on that studio for the supervillain shuffle, and you're still using like a shitty handy cam, no lighting, the mic is built into the camera. Like, there are all these things that you have the money to be able to produce something better, and for some reason, you either don't know that there is a better option available or you don't give a shit, and that really bothered me in terms of content. Yeah, same. I felt the same. It's a mix of both.

And me being critical of films, I feel like it's only fair to extend that same criticism to YouTubers because I believe that YouTube is as legitimate of an art form as television or films. It really just has much more variety in terms of quality. It's just way more of it, isn't there? Yeah. So there's going to be more. Anybody can upload.

But yeah, I feel like it's important to be critical, especially of, larger YouTubers in terms of their presentation and style and content overall. All right. Well, rest in peace. We can get off this dumpster fire if you go. Yeah. Yeah, no hard feelings. This is sad.

I didn't even want to bring this up, really. Yeah, I felt like I should have, you know. Especially since I loved them when I was a kid. Yeah. And it just pains me to see. Sorry. That's a good lesson for you, Ralph. Everything you love dies eventually.

Uh-huh. Don't look up to anyone. Don't be mad at me. Either be revealed to be a creepy Hollywood pedophile or like an incompetent businessman. Kevin Spacey, one of my favorite actors. Yeah, he was one of mine too. Do we want to get on to something more cheerful? Yeah, I just want to, well, I actually, we have another topic that's not really that cheerful, but this is Sardonicass, so it doesn't really matter.

I just wanted to say to end the nostalgia critic subject, don't be. mad at me Malcolm I'm sorry who's Malcolm he's a he's the guy who starred in the supervillain shuffle who is also a furry that I see at conventions oh okay

and we talk you're furry buddies yeah he's a tiger okay yeah so wow yeah he's he's open about it I didn't just leak I didn't just docks or anything so I figured you

wouldn't do that to the poor guy Yeah. We got another subject here. As we're recording this right now, there is a congressional hearing for Mark Zuckerberg. The Zuckster. What do we think about Facebook in general? Who the fuck uses Facebook? Who? We do you?

We all have Facebook pages. I'm thinking of deleting it, honestly, after everything that's come out. Elon Musk to that. Never. Yeah. Never. since like 2012. I'm on Facebook to respond to messages that are sent to me by my friends, because there's

a certain portion of my friends that use Facebook. They all seem to be of the same relative political leaning. And then my family, who, I mean, it's just easier to use Facebook for messaging with my family because they all use dumb Apple phones. And so if they try to group message me, then I have to like, down. download the messages individually on text because they're all dumb I message file things that are only compatible with other iPhones unless you download them the same way you're downloading like a picture attachment. So that's kind of annoying. So I just tell them to group message me on Facebook instead and

it's it's easy. And then in terms of like yeah, there's probably much better messaging platforms that we could all be using. But I'm never going to be able to convince my family to install and learn a new app like telegram or something like that's that's the issue is that everyone's on facebook so you need to use it too not everyone in my college has a facebook oh really so if i want to do anything involving other people i have to go on facebook and message them or friend them on facebook oh wow that's the only reason i have it really yeah but it's just i hate it there's a bit of a gap like a few years below us where not as many young people are installing facebook like facebook is a shit ton of old people. We're going to actually hit a year where there's more dead people on Facebook than a live

people. Because there's memorialized accounts too. We're actually going to hit a point where it's mostly dead people. That's fascinating. I can't wait. I love Twitter so much more, so much more than Facebook. I don't know why. All the youngsters use what Snapchat. Oh, fuck. Snapchat. I hate Snapchat. Those are the three. I've tried. What's wrong with Snapchat? I'm not the kind of person that really gives the shit about promoting what I'm doing every second of the day. And quite honestly, it would be pretty boring for people because I'm always fucking editing or working on something. You know, I don't just go outside and snap a picture of ice cream or something. Like, that's not my life.

Well, I'm not one of these people that, like, uses it all the time. I only use it for work mainly. We're to take pictures of my dog in the case of Snapchat. Yeah. But like, I'm not on social media 24-7. So I get a healthy dose of Twitter. I'm like, okay, this is fun. Then you get to Facebook, and everyone's just fucking whining about something that you have no interest.

All of the social media platforms that I use have their own flaws. I don't have an Instagram because I just don't see the point. I'm like, what can Instagram do that I can't already do on Facebook or Twitter? I can post pictures there if I want. You know? Instagram's just for pictures. Yeah. Yeah.

I have one for my dog. Yeah. That's what I have one for my dog and one for myself where I just post pictures of me and my dog. And that's it. That's funny. Yeah. I have someone else to run my Instagram. They just post whatever I put on Twitter on it.

Yeah? Yeah. That's what sucks. It's like everything on my Facebook is just stuff I put on Twitter that is just copy and paste it. I feel like a hack. I'm like, yeah, I said this already. What the fuck? Yeah.

I just, I'm not a big social media. person. I actually had to grow into Twitter. At first, I kind of hated it and didn't really see any point in it and just used it for my business marketing purposes. Like, okay, I'm supposed to have a Twitter account. But over time, I gradually learned that I could make really short and really upsetting shit posts that I found very fun to inflict upon my audience. Yeah, it's a fun way of sharing with little thoughts or things you discovered. Yeah. The danger is it's quite addictive.

Like, I find the longer I spend on social media, the more fucking depressed I am. I've been really trying recently to just not go on it, really. Just now and again, maybe a couple times a day. Do you use a lot for personal use? Or just, like, to promote yourself and learn. I use, like, WhatsApp just to message my friends.

Yeah, that's what I use to. Yeah, I never go on Facebook or I just check Twitter like a couple times a day now. Because it's too easy to fall into that, oh, I got a notification, let's check that, let's see what, what people are saying about me. Especially with your following. Yeah, exactly. It never ends. When you're just reading opinions all fucking day, you're never giving your brain

a rest. You get 400 tweets of people like saying, half of them are saying how fucking, we can't wait for your next video and I hope you do it on this or that video sucked and that one was amazing. What do you think of this movie? Yes, what do you think of this? What do you think of that? It's fucking exhausting. It's fucking exhausting.

I just flat out, don't check my notifications. If let's say I am like on a plane and I have Wi-Fi or if I am like on a road trip or just like in the passenger seat of like a taxi and I have nothing to do or something, then perhaps I will take a small portion out of my day to check those notifications. And I don't want it to seem like I don't give a shit about my fans because I check Reddit all the time. I feel like that's a more productive way to engage in conversations because

it's already curated. The community has already decided what is more important in terms of questions that can be asked and what is bullshit that should be downvoted or removed. So I know that it's already been filtered in some way. And I can, you know, I can really easily just see like, oh, front page. Like there's only so many there that I can be like, yes, I'll respond to this. But in terms of a Twitter timeline, like, no fucking, I can't do it. I can't keep up with it. I can't. There's a lot of questions that people ask that I've already been very clear about. And they clearly just either haven't seen my video or like, why don't you make a review on this? Like all you had to do was just fucking search it up.

That's all you had to do. You had to search it in YouTube. I've had that so many times. That's all you had to do. When you say things like that, though, you sound like an asshole. And you can't help it because I feel the exact same way. There's so many people sending you so many messages about so many different things. You can't fucking handle it.

And at first, when you're, you know, a up-a-comber YouTuber, every notification you get, you get excited. Then there's a point it becomes annoying. You're like, yeah, I just don't want to fucking do with you. I remember under 100K sub. I would like check every message I got on Facebook, every... Every comment. I was like... Yeah, every comment.

Yeah, I'd go through all of it. And eventually it just gets too much. Yeah. Now it's like 50,000 say I'm gay or whatever. I don't think it makes us sound like assholes. Because if there is some person out there that's like, oh yeah, you should check every one of these. What they're basically asking for is for us not to make videos. Because like, that wouldn't be possible.

Like, in order to make the content that you guys like, which is why you're subscribed and why you're following us in the first place, we cannot check all your comments. I'm sorry, it's not possible. So call me an asshole, but I don't think that, I don't think it's an asshole-ish thing to do. One of my favorite things about doing YouTube stuff is fan art. It's like my absolute favorite thing.

I love that too. But finding it, I find to be quite difficult sometimes because one of the best ways is through Twitter, a lot of people send you it, but they tag you in it, and you have to scroll through every other type of notification to get to it. so I end up having to look at deviant art and Reddit and stuff to try and find them. And I'm sure there are loads that slip through the cracks and I can never favor it or anything, which really sucks.

Yeah, that is really unfortunate. So I will say to anybody in my audience or our combined audience, like the best way to get me to notice something would be through my subreddit. And if you get downvoted to oblivion, then I'm sorry. And perhaps maybe you should make a better post. I don't know. Yeah, you're right You totally right

Yeah, let your community Curate it for you And decide what is important For you to be able to see I think that that makes perfect sense Yeah, I'll check my Reddit every day It's the one that I will Maintain and look at

Because it's where like that Yeah, you're right It just filters all the shit out If something important's happening That's where it's going to be Yeah, that's why I migrated From 4chan to Reddit Once I started using Reddit

I didn't use 4chan anymore Because I was like, you know what You can you can get whatever experience you want on Reddit. You can subscribe to whatever subreddits you want. And you don't get a bunch of idiots that are... Well, you do get idiots. Don't piss off the 4chan people.

Well, 4chan people. Those are the guys that send fucking... They send bombs to your house. Those are the kind of people. They'll swat your fucking house. They're the people who found that flag shy LeBuff put up in the middle of the desert. And there's a blue sky in the background. and they're like, they like found the fucking stars and mapped it out and found the flag.

No, yeah, I mean, there's tons that 4chan has accomplished over the years. And if you're looking for a great YouTube channel on those events, there's Internet Historian. Has some great videos on a lot of those. Yeah, that's a good one. I don't know. Like the whole community of 4chan is just barely existent anymore. Pole still exists, I guess. You know, like there's a lot of people that are still there that just have.

hate Reddit, but I don't know. I'm just, I'm happy with my experience that I'm getting on Reddit. I wish that there wasn't as much censorship going on. But at the same time, I mean, censorship has become a huge thing on 4chan as well. A lot of things that were once permitted there are no longer. And moot doesn't give a shit. He's not even associated with it anymore. And the glory days are over, you know?

The wild west of the internet is not a thing anymore. So the theme of this episode is Everything We Love Dies. Yeah, that's the theme of six feet under. And that, yep, just everything. And Synecatee, New York. Sardana cast, everybody. SenectaDenecki in New York, the most depressing fucking movie we ever made, one of the most. I'm sure there's more depressing movies.

Oh, actually, I can think of one off the top of my head. Oh. Dear Zachary is the most depressing movie. Oh, I thought you were going to say Antichrist, leading to an excellent segue. But let's talk about Antichrist. By the way, if you're going to watch Dear Zachary, Guaranteed you will cry Perhaps there will be some

Some asshole in the comments that is like I didn't cry but secretly they did and they're just trying to build up a manly image of themselves But you will cry And watch it tonight and then Oh really? Okay well don't look up Anything about it that's my advice to everybody

So that is not our Official film recommendation For the next week but That is something that should be watched by everybody I think Anyway, we wanted to talk about certain movies that apparently our audience wants us to fight and bicker about. There have been posts on our subreddit, and people have said, I want them to fight about these movies. We want them to hate each other.

We want to destroy their friendship. And I'm all for it. This is boring. Yeah, let's do it. What friendship? Fuck both of you. Ralph? What's the one you want to talk about first, Adam?

Well, we did say Antichrist. Yeah, we might as well. Let's talk about that. I haven't seen it in a year or two, but Alex saw it recently. I've also seen it recently. Oh, okay. Me for like the seventh time or something. I'll be like the ref of this one because I know the movie, but it's been a while.

I obviously love the film, but Alex might have some different opinions. I saw the other day and can't really remember anything from it. I just wasn't engaging to me. all. I thought it was so fucking boring. What? It was like because right I just watched dancer in the dark and I was like this is fucking awesome. Oh, so you wanted to experience another von truer? I see. Yeah, I wanted to dive into his other works I haven't seen and I was like, okay, this one's clearly more

horror drama focused. Let's let's see what comes from this and there's just waiting and waiting for something interesting to happen. And the whole time, was just like well I guess the intro is really fucking cool that's it like peaks very early on it's like the best that's absolutely the highlight is that opening is beautiful I think it's one of the best opening scenes of any movie the close up of the dick oh I I would agree I'd agree with you except the rest of the movie's pretty bad so yeah it's like it's such a contrast between that and what it sets up compared to the rest of it in my opinion there are a couple of other like really memorable shots like the one in the

tree that's on the poster it really it really lost me at that point where like the fox chaos yeah right I was like by the way I guess this is a spoiler discussion here watch Antichrist if you haven't oh yeah yeah um

we are talking a bit about it oh I love the movie so just saying that yeah that's amazing what if I'm really telling was though I went into the the trivia section after and one of them says according to Lars von Trio he tried his best to make a horror film

but he did not succeed And that's kind of my biggest problem with it I was trying to figure out Do you want this to be a drama Would you want this to be scary or what I was laughing out loud at some points Because I thought it was so like ridiculous Like that fox thing

Yeah that's that would be The one point where a lot of people laugh It's very strange Yeah and I rolled my eyes at the part With the self-mutilation as well Like I was just like Oh but why I don't know it was just like

At that point I was so disinterested Seems like grotesque for the sake of being grotesque or like shock value kind of thing. It just felt meandering to me. Like at the end of it was like I didn't feel like I'd seen something I hadn't particularly seen before. And I was honestly just bored. Okay.

Really did not work for me. I'd like to hear what you really like about it though. Because it's one of those ones where it's easy to just say, oh, you didn't get it. Well, I've seen the movie very many times. And I feel like I get more out of it every time that I watch it. Yeah. There's a lot of really cool special details, especially in the opening scene. In the shot where Willem Defoe like lifts her ass up on the counter and there are these little,

you know those kind of children's learning little flat wooden boards that have different pieces and shapes that you have to fit in there? Yeah. You can actually see the three beggars in that shot. being lifted up from the board as her butt falls onto it. So you see the crow, the fox, and the deer in the opening scene. You can actually see when the kid is slow-mo going down from the cradle, you can see that the shoes placed on the floor are actually in reverse order. And so, like, all of these clues of things to come in the themes and...

horrible things that this mother winds up doing can be seen plainly visible in the opening scene. You can also see when the shot focuses on the baby monitor, you can see in the corner that it's actually muted, that she did that intentionally. And I love this kind of very odd and concerning character

study almost of this woman who's just so fucking bat-shit insane that she deludes herself into playing along with this idea that she's not responsible for her child's death and that she's a grieving mother. And meanwhile, I really enjoy the relationship between her and Willem Defoe, who kind of plays a bit of an asshole. In one aspect, yes, he's trying to care for her, and yes, he's trying to make her confront her own fears.

But he's also not doing it in a way that's very responsible. and he's still dating her, he's still having sex with her when he know he shouldn't and he's trying to control his own urges but not doing a very good job at it. I love the dynamic between them. He came across as very detached to me.

Oh yeah, and in a way it's kind of supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's intentional. When Vantrier made this film, he was like depressed as shit. He, in interviews he was saying like he was suffering through some of the worst depression in his life

and that was kind of the jumping off point for making Antichrist. And it really shows in the film, especially, you know, that sequence where Willem Defoe is describing anxiety and you have each of these visual representations of anxiety as he's describing the symptoms. I love all of the therapy scenes. Like, Antichrist has some of the best cinematography of any movie I've ever seen, quite honestly. Really?

Well, yeah, like all of the slow motion shots and just how like, not just like the super high frame rate, but how crisp and lush, but at the same time fearful and undersaturated at some points. It's this very odd, strange mix of emotions and concepts that are present in these shots in order to make something that, you know, a lot of people might find the outdoors to be a very comforting kind of place to them. but he filmed it in such a way where it was very disturbing and off-putting. And I loved the, just these weird kind of like morphing effects

in the trees that as the camera's moving by, as soon as that starts happening, you're like, did I just see that? You know, like, you're not so sure about it and it's like, I don't know. I just, I don't really see much wrong with the film, although I will admit

the first time that I watched it, I took it a little less seriously. How long is the movie? An hour and a half, I think. Let me look it up. A half? I don't think it's very long.

Okay. It is. I was going to say, it's one out of 48. Okay, so almost two hours. I don't know how long you can sustain that. Again, I'm just, I was curious because I could see that.

The way you describe Adam sounds cool. All I remember is thinking what Alex thought, which is, wow, that movie was boring. It looked great, but I didn't give a fuck. I totally understand that perspective. Believe it or not, of people that think that I try to like override my own opinions onto others

but I don't really do that and I kind of fucking go out of my way to communicate that in like every fucking review I do or I'm like hey guys it's okay if you like it or it's okay if you don't like it fuck I say that every single fucking time but there's some people who just I guess

ignore that part of my review and nitpick it did you find the movie scary yeah very very it was a different kind of fear than what you're used to in a horror film. So, like, when I watched it most recently, it was about a month ago, and I had some friends visiting from out of town,

and they both really like horror movies, and so I'm like, okay, I'm going to show you a bunch of horror movies that you've probably never seen in my collection. Before I played it, I said, this is not like a real regular horror movie. It's a very different kind of fear. And I feel like, with so many horror films,

especially found footage that we see nowadays, days. They treat the idea of suspense as just silence or a lack of things happening, you know, when the character's holding the camera in a found footage film and they're just like walking along. And it's supposed to be really suspenseful. But if you put that in any other movie, it would just seem like boring, you know, and there's nothing to it. Whereas the suspense created in this film is almost kind of like this, this nauseating, experimental. visuals, you know? Like this whole

filmmaking experiment that he did. You look at the special features on this film. There's a lot of shit that he put into this movie that he'd never actually tried before. And so they had to shoot a lot of test footage. And I think that it worked out really amazingly. There's a lot of really ambitious things that he did in terms of

the filmmaking itself. And as you guys already know, like, I'm huge on presentation over everything. And I feel like the presentation of this film is just mind-blowing when it comes down to especially the cinematography. I'm going to say, in terms of you saying it's disturbing, this is an issue I always have Lars von Treer. He tries way too hard to be disturbing. And for me, most of the time, it comes off as comical,

like an edge lord. I don't think he knows what he's doing all the time, for sure. Oh, yeah. And I mentioned that in my... The scene where he beats up was she beats up, well, I'm the foe's dick, right? And then jerks him off and blood comes out or something. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm there, I'm like, that's not, that's just fucking stupid. Yeah, that's, I also wrote my eyes. I mean, that was disturbing. I don't know if you agree. For me, that's just like, that's ridiculous.

No, I think it's hilarious. Okay. Because it's so like, well, because there I don't see a character doing it. I see Lars von Trier, because I know this fucking guy from all the movies I've seen from him. And he's always trying to do shit like that. And it comes across as like stupid to me. Like a saw movie or something. Doing something well in a way. I mean that she

Okay, so it's not just oh, she's a crazy bitch, right? That's not all there is to her character It's that she she has convinced herself that All of these forms of of pleasure that she's seeking is you know it ties into the scene at the beginning where The baby fell out of the window while she was having sex and at you know at least for the majority of the film she's pretending that she didn't plan that intentionally but the entire concept that she plagues her mind with and all of these witch-burning materials that she's reading about the evil of women and therefore the evil of nature and therefore the evil of human nature which is pleasure like she she is convinced in her mind that her sexuality is Satan right and so that's why she cuts off her own clit it's not just like

oh, masochism, like, ha ha, I'm so crazy. And that's why she, you know, destroys his fucking junk, too. It's, it's connected. It's not just completely random. Sure, but there's a way of doing it that isn't so comically over the top. Oh, of course. I say this line from Woody Allen all the time. If it bends, it's funny.

If it breaks, it's not funny. And I apply that to everything. But, like, that's a great example. It's not funny, obviously, but it just, it goes too far. To me, I mean, that scene, yes, it's ridiculous for sure. And it's really out there and it's incredibly disturbing

and fucked up and graphic. But that's part of what makes the film what it is. I think that something that Von Treer excels at is being such a crazy fuck himself

that he's willing to put all these insane things in his films that no other director would. I can't think. of another director that would do something like that unless they were trying to make some sort of fucking, I don't know, a Serbian film or something. I didn't like that very much. That just, that's another one.

It's just like, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, what a Serbian film is missing compared to Antichrist is amazing cinematography and performances, you know, like all of the qualities that I seek for in a film in terms of presentation, a Serbian film has none of that and is just all shock value and no substance. Whereas this is able to still make an artistic film that is incredibly well directed and well shot. Sure. I got you. It's a matter of taste.

Oh, yeah, of course. And so I can totally understand people hating this movie because everybody looks for something different in a film. Yeah. I wouldn't say I hated it. I was just I could tell and feel what he was trying to go for. And as much as I was trying to enjoy it, it's just something wasn't working for me. Like, when you sit down and watch a film, all you can read. talk about is the feeling it made you feel and if it made you feel nothing if it got no

response out of you then exactly what value does it have to you all right it just wasn't effective for me either and there's no subtlety in it for me yeah well again you're like okay we got to cut off her clip and so you both only watched it once right yeah we both only I've seen it again if I see it recently maybe I'll change my mind with the problem is after just watching it um the things you're saying made me want to watch it again but then I remember, man, I'd sit through that bit again. Why would you want to? Yeah. How about you give it a couple years and then go back to it?

Yeah. I'm not the type of person to be like, oh yeah, you just have to watch it again until you get it because maybe it, you know, you'll feel the same way and it's not really about getting it. You know, it's about experiencing something more out of it, I guess. Ralph, I would recommend to you to check it out at some point in the future. People are very, they're very stubborn about that. Like, oh, I have my opinion on the movie. Don't force me to change it and watch it again. But it's like some movies you should watch again And you know Yeah you don't have to

As you grow older Like I hated 2001 the first time I saw it Now it's like one of my favorite fucking movies ever I immediately loved it I was drunk out of my mind By myself in my room I was like 15 I'm like what the hell is this

I hear this is the greatest sci-fi movie ever But you know when you're older You appreciate slower pacing And so exactly yeah I think I was 15 too Yeah I don't know All right so you're smarter than me You fuck

I got it I was just making a joke because I said I was drunk out of my mind but I was probably more like 17 Okay there you go You contrarian Pretentious film critic A lot of people don't understand

When I'm making jokes And think I'm just being an asshole all the time Yeah I think no matter what I say I'm an asshole to some people Oh voice crack Some people Some people

On our thoughts on Antichrist You two All I'd say is Despite how I feel about it I still think it's a movie you should watch because there is a lot to like about it. Okay, great. That's interesting.

All right, recommendation from Alex if you weren't already sold on the graphic genital mutilation we talked about. I will say one thing, Alex, if you're looking for a Venture experience that's closer to Dancer in the Dark, try watching Breaking the Waves. That's a good one. I enjoyed that one very much. It's very different. I mean, Dancer in the Dark is a one-of-a-kind movie, so.

but it's one of the closer ones that Von Trier has made, I think. Awesome. Okay. There was another film that everybody wanted us to argue about. Or at least, I don't know if you've seen it, Alex. I love dogs. He saw it. Oh, you did.

I love dogs. Oh, I know you do. So basically, Ralph made a video, and I watched the first half of it. How dare you? You clicked off it because he was so angry. Well, because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the podcast anyway. Oh, okay. And I gave Isle of Dogs a 9 out of 10.

So far, what I noticed is the contrasting opinions in the writing. I said that the writing was great. I said that it was a well-written film, and you had some issues with the writing. I had quite a few issues with the writing. Alex, how do you feel about the film overall? I absolutely loved it. I thought it was excellent. So unique.

Yeah, I thought it was brilliant. Are you familiar with much Wes Anderson material? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A few months ago, I rewatch Fantastic Mr. Fox in preparation for this movie to see how I'll compare. And I liked it even more than that movie. How far back have you seen Wes Anderson films? Many years. Yeah, years ago.

Okay, yeah. Great. I've seen a bunch of his movies. I mean, I really like him personally, but let's go into the details more. Yes. I think he's a great director. I prefer his newer material to his older material, although I haven't seen every one of his older films. I love the Life Aquatic.

I liked Bottle Rocket from what I can remember, but it didn't really affect me as much. Darjeeling Limited, I thought was decent. It'll probably be somewhere on my 2007 list. And then I haven't seen Royal Tenen Bombs, which everybody says is amazing. And then I've seen all of his newer movies, like everything from, I don't know, 2007. until now, and I've thoroughly enjoyed. I've seen everything except the World Tenen Bombs. Oh, shit.

Alex, have you seen the Royal Tenen Bombs? No, I haven't. Oh, wow. That's the one we can't discuss us. Oh, my God. Yeah. That might be a good film recommendation. Everybody's going to be mad at us.

They're going to be like, you call yourselves film critics. You haven't seen this movie that I think that you should have seen before being a film critic. Sometimes you miss one. What are you going to do? Yeah. I mean, I've seen everything else. I love Rushmore. I think some of his movies are just amazing

of Rushmore Grand Budapest and Moonrise Kingdom I think those three movies are like almost perfect I love all three of those and then Life Aquatic is a giant piece of shit but we can talk about that another day A lot of people that watched your video I guess

I guess came away with the perspective that you didn't like I Love Dogs and yet when you were talking to Anthony Fantano after we ended the podcast you said that you really liked the movie. It looks great. The animation is great. The world he created,

this, you know, they take all the dogs and put them on an island and all the dogs live on their little island. I thought that was all fantastic. You know, I think the dynamic between the boy and the dog was cute. And I love dogs myself, so seeing that, like,

I was like, this is the most adorable thing. Yeah, you have an Instagram for your fucking dog. Of course. It's the most adorable. verbal thing. I just loved. I mean, because the dog and the kid can't stand each other at first, and then the kid gives him a little pet, and the dog loves it. I'm like, that's just the sweetest thing. The problem is Wes Anderson is fucking annoying.

Oh, here we go. Okay. This is what I want to know. I just think he's annoying. I think his style is irritating. And I hate when directors let their style get in the way of the movie, and it makes the movie worse as a result. So you think it's a style of a substance? Well, it's a very hollow story and a very shallow movie. Like, it has nothing deeper to say, which is fine.

It doesn't need to say anything. But he does it in like this, I'm an artist kind of way. And I just, there's something about his style I find so annoying. And he's been doing the same shit his entire career. And I'm just tired of seeing the same characters, given the same dialogue, and I'm shooting everything in the exact same way. And, you know, that's how I feel about it. Would you therefore extend those same criticisms to Quentin Tarantino?

I would. Yeah? I think Tarantino changes it up. I think the last great movie Tarantino made was Inglorious Bastards, and that's because it's a World War II movie that has like maybe eight scenes in it, right? And they each go on for 20 minutes. So it was a great change of pace. Oh, you didn't like The Hateful Eight?

I like Hateful Eight. I love Django. I thought it was better than In Glorious Bastards. Really? Yeah. I mean, Inglorious Bastards does end with that same bloodbath like it always does, but I just, it's like, yeah,

it's Sam Jackson in a shack. It's all the same actors and all the same characters just shooting each other. It's like, yeah, it's the same shit again. And Django's the same thing. And it was amazing when you see these directors early on in their career, like Pulp Fiction, or the Wes Anderson movies I saw at first

were Moonrise Kingdom and Rush War. I'm like, wow, these guys have such an interesting vision. And then you see there were portfolio and it's all the same fucking tricks. They have these bag of tricks that they keep reusing and it's like, why don't you grow as a filmmaker? It doesn't impress me.

What? It doesn't impress me. Wes Anderson hasn't grown as a filmmaker? Is that the implication? Like, what are you talking about? His movie, his movies all look great because he keeps framing everything exactly the same and it's like, yeah, he's a master of set design and colors and moving the camera because he keeps doing

the same thing every time. And I prefer directors like, I don't know, a Nolan or a Kubrick who take their bag of tricks and change it and use it to make different genres of film and challenge themselves. I mean, you could, that's how I feel. I mean, like, you could argue that Nolan is the same bag of tricks in many ways, but what I, but at least he's, he takes his bag of tricks and tries to push filmmaking in a different direction. Like the stuff he did on Interstellar, the script is fucking almost dog shit. So I I mean, like, let's not discuss.

But like, the, he got like, fucking astrophysicists to study black holes and write whole papers just so we can make a black hole realistic in his movie. How much more out of your element would you want Wes Anderson to be? He, he completely filmed in a different medium. He's adopted stop motion animation this late in his career. Like, this is a new thing for him. So I don't know what kind of expected. Yeah, that's one film. Right? And now this is his second. And even you yourself pointed out in your video that the animation and overall aesthetic of the film is much more improved in this film from Fantastic Mr. Fox.

So to claim he's not like growing as a filmmaker or even changing things up is I feel not very accurate. All right. I'll give you in a visual sense. He has the same general style. Like he loves symmetry. He loves still shots. Or if he's going to, if he's good, going to have movement in his shots, it's going to be very precise and almost mechanical. And I love how he's translated that across different mediums from stop motion to live action and back. And what's crazy about it is like he's he's taken from both of those. It's not like he just had live action filmed in a certain way and then created stop motion and adopted it to that and then learned nothing from that and continued on. There's a lot of shots that he used for the first time

in Fantastic Mr. Fox that you can then see represented in Moonrise Kingdom. So it's almost as if him working on a smaller scale allowed him to fine tune a lot of movements that he wound up bringing into a larger scale in real life. And I've seen him grow with every film he makes. And so I mean like, yeah, he is the same style. Like he has a style like Quentin Tarantino does, you know, in the same sense that he prefers this kind of Wes Anderson universe that he wants to tell this story in, and that's the movie he wants to make.

And, you know, in the same way that musical artists have the same style, you know, it's like what you're trying to get out of Wes Anderson would be like, why doesn't 50 cent make a country song, you know? Like, people have their style. Well, in a visual sense, it doesn't bother me as much, even though I see all those tricks that he does all the time. I'm like, yep, that's that same kind of shot he does in this. Fine. I'll forgive it. It's more the writing and the characters and the dialogue and the stories he tells every time.

And it's not like he can't tell those stories, but he has to find new ways of telling it. Because now I just see, I just see it when I watch it. I'm like, yep, he's doing this thing again. It's this character again, except this time it's a girl instead of a boy. And this time it's, you know, it's just, it's annoying. Because I've seen all of them. Well, all the monotone dialogue, you love the dialogue, you thought it was funny. I didn't. Yeah.

So you talk about the dialogue. I thought it was really humorous, yeah. Would you... Yeah, all right. You too talk about that for a bit, because I'm curious. Would you, can, I know that you have an issue with a lot of the characters sounding and talking very similarly. And although this has been a somewhat constant aspect to Wes Anderson films and the Wes Anderson extended universe and just how he likes to present things in his films,

would you consider it to be an unfair point to make if I suggested that it actually fit better for this film because all of the dog characters are presented in a way where Chief is the outsider. He is the non-pampered one. He is the one that actually has a very different character, and the rest of them blend in, as you've mentioned. But that fits in line with the characters and the themes of the film about how they're all pampered and how they weren't strays and how they don't have this sense of individuality

and they immediately flock to the kid and look for a sense of guidance whereas Chief doesn't. Do you not feel as though that fits better for this film? No, because all the people talk like that too. It's just... All the people in that movie are Japanese though.

Except for the girl. Not the girl. Yeah, the main girl talked in that same like, oh, I'm going to talk like this too. I mean, I get what you're saying, but I don't know. Let me get back to you on that. That is a good point. I feel like when Wes Anderson wants to kind of shine a light on a character,

it almost helps to have every other character being somewhat along the same mold, you know, because then the really eccentric ones, the really different ones, stand out even more. I'm willing to believe that it's a very strong. intentional part of his style, it seems to be. It's not like he can't write characters that are outside of that mold, because he does, you know, he's proven that he understands how to do it. So I don't see any other explanation for these characters all kind of talking and acting and, you know, more or less having the same pacing. I can't see any other explanation other than it's his intentional choice and he prefers for his films to be like that. I don't really

consider it to be a flaw. It's it's clearly an intentional choice but it's a choice I don't like. So it comes down to preference is what you're saying. Yes, it comes down to preference that too. And then again, it's just in all of his movies. And at first, when I saw Moonrise Kingdom, I thought it was adorable how the kids talked monotone. And then you watch all of his movies and you're like, okay, it's the same monotone characters delivering the same kind of snappy kind of sarcastic dialogue. And it, gets annoying to me. And even in Isle of Dogs, what you said, that's a good point about

how it separates chief from everybody else. But when you're watching the movie, you're just like, fuck, man. Can't you just find a different way of doing the same thing? When you're watching the movie, you mean? Yeah, when I'm watching the movie. Yeah. Alex, what do you have to add?

I've got a little anecdote for you. It's a bit upsetting. Perfect. So, right before the movie began, right, I was sat in the theater and a trailer played for what looks like to be an excellent film that's coming out what's it called nomio and juliet uh fucking really they played kids movie trailers in your island dog show i found this very interesting wow um what's it called it's the like uh sherlock gnomes

oh yeah that was playing yeah you know there's a bit in that trailer where a gnome starts twerking right i i wouldn't know i i've never seen this trailer though that happens and the audience was was in tears they were loving oh no they were they were clapping they were just absolutely loving it then the film began oh no and through the entire thing not one laugh oh no no no noise at all just silence um I had a very different experience that that upset me that upset me quite a lot um that is upsetting I was I felt embarrassed about like laughing in the movie because of like

everyone else just being like and I looked on the on the reviews of the the cinema that I go to and someone had left a review saying something like a one star review saying absolutely terrible I took my two kids to see this and they're born out of their minds

stuff like that yeah it's not a kid's movie fuck off it's not a kid's movie at all like not even being marketed as one here oh that's unfortunate they're trying to sell it is one of those like wacky movies about talking animals Oh geez

Is there like a UK trailer that we should watch That we should include in the description or something Oh my God, yeah I don't know if there is one Okay, I'll try to find it Beforehand it was just kids movie trailers Before it Yeah

All right You know what I was seeing it somewhat as a An audience aimed at a younger audience To be honest Because of that Despite the fact that

Like there's kind of violence in it. I don't know if there's spoilers being talked about now. We told them spoilers. You can see the dog's ear getting ripped off in like a web clip they posted. Yeah, it's like right at the beginning. And it doesn't treat the audience like morons, you know? Like a lesser film would, would with the Japanese characters, like either dub them doing English voices or, you know. There's enough where you have to do a little bit on your own, like read something, you know?

or actually look around the scene. Yeah, I just thought visually, it's completely masterful. Just so much details to look at. Like, I love movies where every single shot, you're not just staring at like a character's eyes. Oh, man. You know, the shots are relatively stationary a lot of the time, so there's just so much to look at,

your eyes are just going all around the screen. It's great. If there's one word to describe was Anderson, it would be quirky. And I'm just surprised that it's only now that the quirkiness is annoying you. Because I kind of go in expecting, yep, this is going to be a quirk fest. That's exactly what I'm going to get.

Yeah, but sometimes it is really annoying. Like, Life Aquatic is an incredibly annoying movie because of that. What I'm just a little confused about is what makes one of these movies annoying to you or several of them and the other one's not. It's a lot of things. It's the theme of the movie, for one thing. Again, like Alex, you said the dialogue would work for a kid's movie, but this isn't a kid's movie. And, like, all these characters are over-explaining everything. And if it was a kid's movie, I would somewhat forgive it.

Oh, yeah, all the time, characters would literally go, like, I feel this way about this person, or we have to go here and do this. Well, I mean... Who the fuck? Can't you just put, like, an actual good line there instead? I know it's his style, but it's just so... He keeps doing the same tricks. He's not making a Michael Hanneke movie, you know?

Is it not framed for younger audiences, though? I don't think it's for younger audiences. at all. Really? Anyone under 13 would be bored to tears by this. Yeah, I don't think it's for younger audiences. In the same way that you said, like, yeah, they don't dumb it down. Well, kids movies kind of have to fucking dumb it down.

I think they're for kids and kids are dumb. It's the kind of thing I would have loved when I was my issue. It's movies for dumb people and children. That's what kids movies are. I was looking at it in terms of, wow, this is really refreshing for what is being marketed as a kids movie. Yeah, it's not, though. That's interesting that it was marketed as a kids movie.

Because fantastic Mr. Fox is a kids movie, isn't it? It's based on a children's book. This movie is PG-13 in America. It's a PG here. Really? Oh my God. Which it just means parental guidance. I think it might be here too.

Actually, I think it's guaranteed PG because otherwise it would be 14A, which I know it's not. It's PG. It's P-G-13 here. Yeah. So loads of kids' movies are PG. That's why it's interesting how it's just framed completely differently based on the country. I guess they think that we'll. stupider here or it won't sell here? I don't know. Compared to Fantastic

Mr. Fox, which was aimed at children, right? Because it's based on his children's story. So it made sense to me to go into this expecting something somewhat similar to that, looking at the PG rating and looking at the trailers. It seemed very much to be framed as kind of like a more inclusive, you know, not like Grand Budapest Hotel, you know? That's clearly not a kids movie, right? It's not filtered, you know, even fantastic. Mr. Fox had the, they say, cuss instead of actually

swearing and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, I love that. So much of the charm of Grand Budapest is it felt like a kid's movie, even though the subject matter was so dark. Yeah, it was very upbeat. Tonal shifts in it. I would argue that children would be

more entertained in Grand Budapest than Isle of Dogs. Yeah, you know what? I think so, too. I mean, despite the violence. Well, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of mature themes that would probably just go over their heads in the first place, so... I remember there being a lot of sexual stuff in that movie. I don't remember. Yeah.

How much sexual stuff? Pretty, pretty... Oh, yeah, the older... Yeah. Tilda Swinton and... Yeah. He would fuck older women. Yeah.

That was a great movie. I looked it up. It's also PG in Canada. In the Netherlands, it's six. Which is kind of funny. But PG is like pretty much any age as long as the parents there, so it's the same thing. Did you know what else I was thinking about, though, with it being stop motion in particular? Yeah.

Which is an art form I really adore as it is. Oh, yeah. Anytime we get a new one of these, like I just really want it to be good, just because they're so visually interesting and unique. What was that last one that had Matthew McConaughey as like a bug and a... What the fuck was it? Oh, Kubo and the two strings. Oh, Kubo.

That's another way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking about that movie and how it was like, it just had nothing going on, like, in comparison with something like this, where there was careful thought. Great animation, though. Yeah, it had amazing animation, but it was just something lacking from it in terms of the style, like the, and the story.

Whereas with this, I just found it engaging from beginning to end, and every time it started to dip, something new happened, be it the story or the visuals, or just something unique, be it the structure or anything like that, that just made it. stand out far more than the average animated movie that comes out. I think it's really unique in that respect.

I don't mean to be the downer, but did you guys enjoy the subplot with the girl? God, what was she even doing? She was trying to find the file or some shit. I enjoyed it, and I particularly enjoyed it for reasons that I can't explain because it would spoil aspects

to the film, but it did add an element of question, and it subverted my expectations as to how the conflicts in the film would be resolved. So that's what I felt added to the film. And also it didn't really take up a whole lot of screen time at all. Her scenes were very not all that important to the film,

but they did add a level of subversion to my expectations and kept me not expecting how things would be resolved. It was definitely my least favorite part of the movie for sure. I can agree with that. I think the core of the... what made the story great was was the dog island and the relationship between the boy and the dog and whenever the movie's focused on that it really works and anything else i thought was less interesting whenever they focused on his uncle or that girl i was like this is not where this the meat of this

story is that's not where the heart of this movie is the heart of this movie is with these two so not and plus she really i mean i guess she kind of serves a purpose in the plot but not really like what she does is almost so insignificant they could have found another way to write it in in like five seconds and it would have worked. In the grand scheme of the film that I cannot explain right now because it would spoil things she is not insignificant

and I guess I'll talk to you about that later. She does heavily affect the entire course of the film really she really does and if you can't remember why right now I'll explain to you later. No I do remember why but it's so it's so like yeah she discovers a thing

And then that thing really... That's not what I'm talking about. Okay. Yeah, I'm talking about something completely different. So I'll explain to you later. Yeah. What I would like to say, though, is this was rated PG in Canada. And it's very interesting that you had that experience in the UK, Alex, because my experience was the exact opposite.

I saw it. The very first available showing, I saw it. So it was about 1 p.m. on a Wednesday. very strange for it to have the first showing at that time. But it was a very small theater, but it was relatively full. It might have been packed. I don't know. I don't think it's sold out, but it was pretty full, which is a very rare occurrence for a 1 p.m.

show at a movie theater. Everybody that went to see it was clearly a Wes Anderson fan. People enjoyed the movie and laughed at parts, and everybody, you know, as they were walking out, said that they really enjoyed it. but I live in essentially the city of hipsters and Chinese people. So Wes Anderson has a decent audience size here, well, just from the hipsters alone. See, my screening was empty. Oh, wow. Mine too.

What time of day did you see it? In what day? It was like 5 p.m. or something. Yeah, I... Tuesday morning for me. Vancouver is probably a pretty huge fan base for... Wes Anderson just I've asked other people

who've seen it and it was pretty empty for them as well I think they just don't know how to market it in this country like they see the dogs and they think cute funny dogs everyone like remember that film

Cats V Dogs everyone remembers that much of the beast that has dogs in it let's just sell it like it's one of those fucking movies there's also a huge art community here like almost every movie gets filmed in Vancouver

even if it's an American movie especially American movies like Deadpool films here and shit So, you know, huge booming film industry because of our tax subsidies. And so there's so many people that are working in arts that, of course, there's going to be a lot of Wes Anderson heads here. So did you guys have anything else to say about the movie? I think we kind of settled our differences and came to the conclusion that it's just personal preference when it comes to his writing style because it is very clearly intentional. No, he sucks.

Well, it is intentional. I just don't like how he does it. And I wish he would just, he would take the bag of tricks and change it up. You would prefer that he do what he does not want to. Yes, exactly. And it's never going to happen. So that's why I've just accepted it. Like, he is perfected making the same movie he always makes.

And he does a damn good job. And the movie's fucking gorgeous. And I did like it. I, you know, at the end of a day, as a movie, when you sit down and watch it, it's an engaging, fun, cute movie. And the visual gags are great. In terms of visual comedy, I thought it was pretty goddamn funny. But script-wise, it did nothing for me. What about you, Brit Bung?

Three out of five or something. As a huge fan of animation, I thought it was really refreshing. And with the Wes Anderson touch, like, I was hoping to see how he'd improve from Fantastic Mr. Fox, because that film's extremely unique as well. Go on the Fox Searchlight YouTube channel, and they've been posting a lot of behind-the-scenes featureettes, of the animation process, it is fucking mind-blowing. Each one of the freckles on her face is like hand-painted.

None of the models were 3D printed. All of these little hairs and the dogs are like individually plugged in there. And it's just like, it's so fucking detailed and insane. And honestly, I can't think of a stop motion animated film that has better backgrounds than this. Probably better lighting, I can't also think of. I can't say animation itself because, no, I would have to say the romance scene in Anomalisa

was better animation overall than the movement of the dogs and other characters in this film. You know, when they're walking along the bridge at the top, their legs kind of move a little weird and stuff, whereas a film like Anomalisa, I feel like the actual movements of the characters and they're like quirks and their realism,

I feel like the animation itself. was perfected in that movie compared to... That's intentional too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anomalies is clearly going for a much more natural film for stop motion. That's what it separates it. The thing I love about Wes Anderson's animation

specifically is that it looks like animation. You can see the fucking little fingerprints of every animator just making everything. It's like there's a real authenticity to do it. And like with the Kubo movie, yeah, it's good. The animation is good. But it's so good. it's like, why isn't it just

CGI? Well, I'm not hot. Yeah, in a way, you know. It's so perfect that you're just, it becomes too smooth and artificial. And I like to do the simplicity of the fantastic Mr. Fox animation. I know it's not simple, but it, you know.

It was just filmed a different frame rate, I think, to give it a different look. You think so? I was reading about it. Oh, really? Okay. Do they shoot Kubo in like 24? I assume so, yeah.

It's just more. smooth. They purposefully made Fantastic Mr. Fox look a bit jerky. Yeah. Yeah, I love that about it. I felt like they found a good compromise with Isle of Dogs because I remember them talking in the special features of Fantastic Mr. Fox

had they really wanted the like fur to kind of move around between frames so they purposefully kind of brushed it up to make it look as though it's like moving. And they actually it seems as though they kind of continued that in this film, but it wasn't as jarring and distracting. And so I

I feel like they found a really good compromise and better perfected the animation in Isle of Dogs. When the film finished, there wasn't much to complain about for me. I was just thoroughly entertained. But I guess the context to which I sat down to watch it was a little bit different to you guys, I feel. Yeah.

Especially considering the way it was marketed and sold to me, like even before the film has started, like I had begun with all these shitty kids movie adverts playing. And it just seems so refreshing compared to. all that and I'd highly recommend it. All right. Yeah. For you it was sold as like a as a kids film.

I think I would have been more lenient on it. For me it was sold as you know another West Sanders. See I didn't give kids films like a break just for being kids films. And you shouldn't like. Oh, I do. A little bit. That's like any, you should give Transformers a break then. Transformers movies are kids films.

You can't explore really complicated themes in a kid's movie and you have to simplify characters a bit. Well, a movie isn't just bad. because it doesn't explore complicated themes. There's plenty of movies for adults that don't do that and they're not bad because they don't. Of course. So... Good point, Adam.

It's just for kids movies, like, there's a certain mold that is way more prevalent than the variation of what you get in other, like, audiences. You can make an amazing kids movie if you really fucking try. And if you don't allow yourself to get in the mindset of, fuck it, it's for kids, so I don't give a shit. Which is unfortunately what most kids movies do, especially in the script writing process. Whereas something like the Lego movie,

amazing, I think. Brilliant movie. Fantastic movie. It's amazing for kids and adults. You can have both. You just have to be talented and give a shit. And that's the issue is that a lot of people just don't give a shit. And that's why the new Grinch movie is going to be great.

Oh, of course. They're really... Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. Oh my god, was that fucking horrifying to see. Yeah, let's take this Grinch character and do the complete opposite with what he's supposed to be.

Okay. Let's completely shit on Dr. Seuss's grave. Let's just take out his fucking corpse and shit in his eyeballs. They already did that with the Lorax anyway. Who cares? Yeah. Well, they're gonna do it more, as if he hasn't been beaten enough. Yeah, everything.

Oh, poor Dr. Seuss. Oh my God. I wonder if they're just gonna start making films out of the head. making films out of all of his titles, like, one fish, two fish. Like, see how that goes. Just everything. Illumination will find a way to make it bad.

I mean, they're already exhausting every single toy, you know, like battleship. They're exhausting every single video game. We got Rampage coming out. That fucking game where you literally just punched buildings as a monkey. And they're making a movie out of that. That looks like a fake trailer before Tropic Thunder. It looks so, oh, my God.

My God. Anyway, it's probably going to be the biggest film of the year as well. Oh, yeah, the rocks in it. Dude, every movie he's in makes a shit ton of money except Baywatch. Oh, yeah, it's going to do great. Adam, I wanted to ask you, if Wes Anderson just made a different kind of movie, don't you think that would have been, it would have been more interesting? Aren't you getting tired of just the same framing and the same fucking characters every movie like I am?

Maybe at one point in time I will be But I feel like each of his films does Bring something unique to the table They are all in the same style But Isle of Dogs is not the same movie As Life Aquatic It's not the same movie as Moonrise Kingdom It's not the same movie as Grand Budapest

It's the style, right? They're adding on top of each other They're all unique while still Staying uniformly in the same style Right? I don't consider them to be the same movie but they are in the same style. And I like his style, and I like that he has purpose to it.

I like how clinically meticulous it is. It's very punctual. Everything in his films is filled with intent and purpose, and I really enjoy that. That's part of why I love him is because of his style. I don't feel like I need him to completely subvert our expectations and create something completely different. You know, like fucking Eli Roth is.

making the house with a clock in its walls, that shitty trailer that looks like it might be a kid's movie. With Jack Black. And yeah, that's like a completely different. Well, yeah, I mean, I just, who knows, maybe one day we'll see it. Maybe we'll never see it. In my perspective, I don't really know exactly what you want from him,

but I am comfortable with him continuing to use the same style. and improve himself along the way. If we hit a point where he has stopped improving himself, then I might feel the same way that you do. But as for every film I've seen from him, from the beginning of his career until now, he's been improving himself in every way. He hasn't, I thought he perfected it like six years ago,

but it turns out he hadn't because he keeps finding ways to improve. So. Visually, yeah. Story-wise, he takes steps. backwards and forwards. That's how well, that's what I think. All right. Okay.

I got to go back to Nolan. Because I can see the people on the fucking Reddit thread like, oh, what a Nolan defender, this fucking normie. But Nolan's a guy, Christopher Nolan, the director. Not Xavier Dolan. Yeah, not Xavier Dolan. But Christopher Nolan's a guy. He's always just trying new things and seeing how far he can push cinema, you know? And like Dunkirk is like.

like an, it's almost like an experimental movie where there's no characters and it's just all fucking planes and vehicles, you know? And it's, I wish, I wish more directors would have the courage to use their tricks to make something different and push cinema, you know,

further. Do you know what I'm trying to say? I guess, but I'm sick of Chris know what you want to do with. That's, yeah, you know, one could make the exact same argument you make for Wes Anderson, one could make for Christopher Nolan. I've got a question for you, though. If he gave you a hug, would you call him Daddy?

Would you call him Daddy? Daddy Nolan? I feel like you would. Probably not. I don't think he'd ever give me a hug. He seems like a very serious guy. Even if your head was firmly placed on his belly? All right, maybe.

You could hear his digestive system? I don't know what you're getting at with this. That's your fetish, right? I thought you had a digestion thing. You're a furry. I thought you were into Vore. Uh-huh. I don't know all these fucking terms, Adam.

I'm not into all the sick shit that you're into. I love Vuel. Yeah, keep pretending. The sequel. Jesus. By illumination. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm not into Vore.

I'm pretty vanilla for furry standards. So we got movie discussion. Boi! It's a movie about flavor-flave. called Yeah, boy! Spoilers? Yeah, this is a spoiler discussion. So if you would like to see this film, please watch it, because we're going to spoil it in this discussion.

There will be a film that we recommend at the end of this podcast that we will talk about in the next episode. If you want to follow along to what we're discussing, then you should also watch that. But that will be recommended at the end. All right, guys. So this movie is called Boy. directed by Tycho Wattiti Did your accent change? He directed Thor.

Yeah, it was like a New Zealand accent. You are? No, nothing happened. You won't. You aren't now? No, nothing happened. You want, mate! All right, guys, come on, calm down.

So, we're talking about a little kid called boy. He grew up in the coast of New Zealand, in the 80s, loves Michael Jackson, loves superhero comics, loves all the great stuff from the 80s. Michael Jackson. Michael Jixon. But, guys, let's go watch the movie, boy.

So, yeah, it's one of those movies where not much happens. Well, actually, a lot happens in terms of, like, characters growing and changing. But it doesn't have a story as much as it's about a boy who doesn't have a dad. But then the dad breaks out of prison and then comes home and digs up their garden to try and find some money. And that's kind of the whole story. But everything around it is what's interesting. What do we think of boy, Michael's? boys.

Loved it. I enjoyed it. Yeah. I thought it was pretty great Alex. It's amazing, Alex, because you know I have, I fucking can't stand children. And you recommended two movies that are solely about children. And I loved both of them. You not only recommended two movies with children.

You recommended two movies with young male children who didn't have father figures that were also had had glimpses of like Nazi paraphernalia in this movie as well. He also like gets manipulated Weird unintentional similarities between this is England and boy Yeah Yeah There's even the scene of the machete Yeah

There's actually a lot of parallels to these films Very different tones obviously Yeah That's like manipulation involved I thought this was intentional Alex Because you I think you did it intentionally to show us How a director can take the same story

And tell it a different way Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, guys. That's exactly what I was doing. Is it... I see your Kiwi accents. Is it racist to say that some accents are naturally funnier than others? Yeah, no, sorry, it's not racist. The director of the film, What's Wrong with Apu, would argue that it is very racist, incredibly racist, actually.

But I guess it depends on what you're going for, because this is a New Zealander making films about New Zealand or a Kiwi or whatever you call them. Either. Yeah, either. The Kiwi accent is funny. It is funny. I don't care who you are. It makes anything funny.

Yeah. Flight of the Concordes works very well because of that. What we do in the shadows works very well because of that. It has an innocence to it. It is probably, I guess, a little racist to some people. I don't know. I'm Canadian. I think that the stereotypical Canadian accent is hilarious.

So yeah people make fun of that I don't get my panties in a bunch so whatever I guess I'm just in a privileged country so I'm I'm allowed to feel okay with it It's an endearing thing we're not making fun of it to laugh at it yeah it's it's a door with it Yeah it doesn't mean that you disrespect the country it doesn't mean that if there was a person from New Zealand who's crying over their father's grave that we'd be laughing at it you know yeah It does exemplify and kind of magnify the comment in a bit I feel you know and perhaps maybe my own personal biases and experience maybe that's something I have to learn and grow from but as far as I'm concerned

I don't really see it as a big issue and I think that if the people especially the people that are making the comedy films are okay with it and understand that I guess then that's not necessarily a bad thing it's okay you're not a racist. Do you guys know how important this film was to New Zealand cinema? No, I don't. It was a huge, huge hit. Was this like his breakout film?

I believe so, yeah, yeah. It was his first big hit. It was huge in New Zealand. And it was like, I think everyone there was really refreshed that it was finally like, yes, we can attach ourselves to something that isn't hobbits and giant eagles and the ring. I think people are very happy about that. And since then, his career is really just shot up. Yeah, Thor Ragnarok, his best film yet.

And he's doing war movie and stuff, and he's all sorts of crazy stuff in the pipeline for this guy. What is your experience watching this film? You watched it while you were living in New Zealand, and how long did you live there for? No, no, no. I was born there, and I was only there till I was three. Then I lived on an island off the coast of England.

So you didn't catch the funny accent. No. You got a different funny accent. When I was three, I did have it, but then it morphed into just boring English man. If I go back and live there for a bit, I visited there once for a month and I had it by the end of that month. So it doesn't take very long to get. So I saw it a couple years ago now for the first time. Yeah, it would have been in 2014 because I saw what we do in the shadows.

I think one of my relatives told me about it. From then, I just went through his entire library. I haven't seen the one that's like bird, eagle, eagle versus shark. Oh, Eagle versus Shark. Yeah, I haven't seen that yet either. I'm the only one I haven't seen. It looks pretty good. I like Jermaine.

Oh, yeah, he's really funny. He's really funny. He's really funny and what you're doing the shadows as well. Oh, yeah, he's great. He's awesome. I love the music that he makes, too. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I don't even know he made music.

He did the goodbye moonman song from Rick and Morty. Oh, holy. Oh, my God. He voices that thing. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, okay. Have you ever seen Flight of Concords?

I haven't, no. Oh, you should check it out. I know of the guy. I've seen a bunch of episodes, so I've been meaning to re-watch it. Yeah, it's only two seasons long. It's great. Tycho Wattiti directed something like four episodes of that show. I know he was involved in that, so.

And he's in it, right? I wouldn't know. I don't remember. I'm not, I forget what he looks like. Was he in, he wasn't in boy? He's in boy, though. Was he the dad? He's the dad.

Okay, that's what I thought. I looked at him, I was like, is that? And then I forgot to check after the fact. Yeah. Okay. So you're like familiar with New Zealand, right, Alex? Yeah, very. So you can, I'm going to ask you, does everyone there just have like horrible fashion sense?

Oh, it was set in the 80s. It was set in the 80s. That too, but it was like the kid was wearing long pants and jeans shorts. I don't know if that's a fucking thing. I was like, who puts that on a human being? I like how that's another parallel right there, by the way. Chances are the only shows they had were like garbage. They were really like garbage, the worst shit they had on TV.

Yeah, it was horrible. They're all inspired by that probably. What kind of country of degenerates dresses in like long pants and jean shorts at the same time? Now we're getting racist. Way to go, Ralph. They're like bringing it home with the American vibe. Yeah, dude. The main kid's eyes were like red.

I was just noticing it just how like ugly people were in it. Jesus, Ralph. What is wrong with you? No, it's not because they're from New Zealand. It's like the main kid, his eyes were like fucking red. Like he had crack or something. Oh, I thought you were joking. Seriously?

I didn't. You didn't have red eyes. What the fuck you're talking about? Dude, in the story of the movie, the kid had red eyes. I think perhaps you need to change the color settings on your television. We'll get glasses. Dude, the main kid, I got to look up a picture of him in the beginning. I'll make it the thumbnail.

You'll see. You'll see what I'm talking about. You should just Photoshop it. Like some of those thumbnails. Between the kid's eyes and his jean shorts and the long pants on. I was like, oh my God, why is this kid dressed like this? You know, the main kid was only hired something like a week away from film. Really?

Because they had someone lined up and it just wasn't working out. I think he was like an extra or something. And they're just like, you. Now you're the leader. That's awesome. Well, he was excellent. He was great. He was excellent.

Yeah, it was very good. I mean, beside his eyes. The whole film had a very great sense of humor, I think. Oh, yes. It's hilarious. Because without it, it would be very dower. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, it's a pretty depressing situation that the kid is in. Yeah. It would be, this is England. It would be as dour as that. Yeah. Well, but it's done with such, like, just about. It's done through the eyes of a child. So everything's like, the color palette was interesting because they shot it on film.

So it had like this grainy, dark. ugly look to it, but all the production design was colorful. So it was like this interesting contrast. And I didn't think Taika Watiti was capable of that. Because I like his movies. But this movie was like brilliant in almost every department, I think. It was very quirky and creative in ways. I liked the hand-drawn little animation sequences of the brother and his powers and stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it did a really good job at capturing the innocence of a child, in a sense, not just with the brother character, but also how, you know, throughout the whole first few scenes in the film, Boy is pretty much just making shit up as he goes along in terms of what he tells his brother and what he tells his friends. You know, he's living kind of in this fantasy land of his own, and he practices in his own kind of escapism because he's, you know, unsatisfied with how things are going in his life and the bulls. he's at school and how he has to feed all of his siblings and cousins.

And I thought that they did a really great job at capturing innocence of children, I guess. I mean, the film literally starts with an ET quote, doesn't it? Yeah. So it immediately sets the scene. It sets the scene wonderfully. The script is just great. Everything comes back. Everything has a purpose and a reason to be there.

Even the kids' like visions, the cartoon drawings. Yeah, they're set up like early on. So in any other. movie they would just throw that shit in there but they set it up early on and it keeps recurring and there's little jokes done with it constantly they get like as much mileage out of that as they can yeah it's just stuff like that was so it was so well done yeah there's this nice little kind of settled detail that i liked where um when boy is getting dragged away by his teacher it shows it doesn't just show him getting dragged away outside it shows his brother in his own class in a scene that we don't really see

for the rest of the film, where the teacher is saying, Simon says, touch your nose. And it's just this short moment where it builds and expands to the world and you believe, you know, you don't see the beginning of his scene. You don't see the end of his scene.

You just see a shot. And so it creates this illusion that the scene with his brother in the classroom is continuing even when we're not seeing it. It started before we saw it in the film and it keeps going beyond when it cuts away. And I like those little extra details to help give the world a bigger sense that things are happening even if they're not being focused on, that his brother has his own life and his own class. And just that, you know, it might have even just been for the sake of comedy that he saw him out the window.

But I think it helped create the illusion that the world is bigger than what we saw on screen. Mm-hmm. I completely agree with you. They did everything they could. I like how a lot of the film could easily fall flat on its face. But right before it does, it's always like, nope, that's there for a purpose. They were set up for that. Characters are learning things and changing.

Alex. Mm-hmm. Does everybody in New Zealand call each other an egg? Like, what is that about? No, I think that's just a Taika-Watiti thing. Oh, yeah? I think it's just a word that sounds funny because you have to say it like, Ig. Ig.

You're an egg. You're an egg. Ig. You're an egg. It was hard to distinguish between the New Zealand quirkiness and the Taika-Watiti quirkiness. Yeah. Ralph,

it is a quirky country. Did you watch this film with subtitles? I was about to ask that. No, I didn't. Really? Interesting. At first I was thinking maybe I should, but no. And it was fine.

Nice. Did you add them? Oh, I did. I watched a lot of movies with subtitles. I like, I watch movies even in accents that I do understand with subtitles. There were times I couldn't understand, but that was more because the kid was mumbling than, you know.

I feel like I get more out of a film with subtitles usually. I get less because I focus on the words I don't find it distracting at all I watch a lot of foreign films too So I don't Yeah maybe I'm just conditioned that way Well yeah I don't find it distracting in the slightest In the same way that reading a book

You don't find the words distracting You know Yeah I can see it Yeah What are some things you guys weren't so hot on Nothing Nothing Nothing

I felt as though There was an element of the film That was kind of glossed over What's that? The film tried to express this sort of corruption of innocence, and the way that they communicated that the most was by showing the boy character not preparing proper meals for his sibling and cousins. And I felt like I would have wanted more out of their relationship dynamic, and I felt like perhaps it was only done that way because the rest of the kids couldn't act. I don't know. Probably.

It is more to do with the films about boys. in his dad. No, no, I get that. But then why show it at all? It kind of just felt, you know, thrown in in terms of their entire relationship is summed up just by this quick shot of him, you know, pouring milk and sugar and bread in a bowl. And then we forget about those characters until, you know, 20 minutes later where he does the same thing again. That's why I like that because it was just a little, because that's not what the movie's about, but they still give you some insight as to that relationship. Like, oh, there's a little thing.

You got that info? Good. Now we're going to move on with the story. I love little details like that. I wouldn't really call it a detail. Well, yeah, but what's a better word for it? Oh, whatever. I felt like by the end of the film, like you kind of pointed out earlier, Alex,

there's not a lot that happens in this movie. I felt like I kind of wanted more out of it. Yeah, I didn't really feel like much happened in the film. And honestly, if we're talking, about the overall progression of sequence of events, I didn't really feel like I was shown something, any, you know, anything exemplary in terms of not having seen that kind of story or relationship dynamic before. It felt all very familiar. I liked the style a lot. I liked the humor a lot. By the end of the film, I didn't really feel like I got the experience that I would like to have

gotten out of a movie. And I think this is. partially due to my personal preference in terms of somewhat tone. I'm not like a huge fan of really easygoing lighthearted films. I would prefer for something to give me more of an experience. Yeah. Whereas this was more or less just coasting. They were on the coast. Yeah. We're coasting through the movie and I wasn't shown anything particularly challenging or super interesting in my opinion. And I enjoyed the film overall. It's something that I would recommend,

but I would prefer what we do in the shadows as a Tycho Watiti film to this one. I felt like what we do in the shadows was more special and unique and push boundaries more. It was funnier. I enjoyed the humor more in that film, the acting, the story.

It went in directions that, you know, had me surprised and was overall just very fun and entertaining to watch. This one I felt like, yeah, that was fun. You know, whereas what we do in the shadows, that was fun, you know. What we do in the shadows is a flat-out comedy. And I think the dramatic elements in this don't work as well as the comedic elements.

I wouldn't call what we do in the shadows just like a straightforward comedy, if that's what you're getting at. It's a very, what we do in the shadows is more unconventional than boy. Boy is a very crowd-pleasing kind of film. This is a movie where I can tell you, Garin fucking Teed, my mom would love it. In fact, everyone's mom would love it. I mean, I'm not trying to shit on it or anything,

but this is a mom movie. This is definitely a mom movie, if anybody knows what I mean by that. It's very calming. It's only controversial enough to be shown and not. offend moms you know like it's it's very um safe it's very crowd-pleasing very inoffensive I would agree it's a really well-made good maybe great film

that I would recommend to people but that's not really the type of experience that I'm looking for in a movie what did you give it on your your rating scale that of curiosity I would give it a seven okay okay you're making a sound lower than that so that's that's good to hear when I rate a film I try to have at least a healthy combination

of the measurable qualities or at least my interpretation of the measurable qualities of a film so style directing acting music and you know overall writing

and I try to put my personal experience like my enjoyment factor a bit to the side and whereas these individual qualities can affect my enjoyment for sure. When it comes down to it, most people connect with films in terms of their overall enjoyment based on tone and personal preference.

And just like you said with Antichrist or even Isle of Dogs, Ralph, there's qualities to these films that we can all agree are very, very well done by any measurable standard that we could apply to it. but the enjoyment of a film comes out of your personal experience. There's certain stories that you might relate to more than others. There's certain characters that you might relate to more than others. And I'm not going to consider a film bad or give it a low rating just because my personal experience through life isn't one that demands that kind of experience from the narrative.

So I would give it a seven. Sure. I thought it was a good, well-made film. I would recommend it to people. It was by measurable qualities very well-made. It just didn't challenge me enough. Again, it's a preference thing. That's all it is to it.

I mean, I think it's, for what it is, and what it is, is a coming-of-age comedy. I guess it's comparable to Lady Bird or, you know, this is England in some way. but I think it's like a perfectly executed coming of age movie and all the acting is great and it has a style to it and just like the locations they found in this

were like amazing there was like that rock fucking thing with trees they were good I wasn't blown away by any single quality in this film I was I mean I guess it's a thing where I don't watch a lot of movies from New Zealand either so just seeing this landscape just in the country is like everything

in this movie. Yeah, which is fine with me because I think that's why people from the country like it so much. It's just a good representation of that family. Such a New Zealand.

Very genuine. The setting is such, yeah, it feels like a character in the movie itself. And, you know, I love that. I love that authenticity this movie had. Yeah, it was a very genuine movie. It was very true to its roots.

And in that sense, helped bring out a sense of uniqueness. But overall, in terms of the beats of the story and the overall plot progression. It felt like it could have been many other films. There are certain qualities that helped it stand out, but there was nothing about it, not a single quality that I was blown away by.

It's a cute movie. It's a good, easy-going movie that you can show family members. I think it goes above cute, because I thought, it's a comedy, too. I just thought it was fucking hilarious. Every joke was spot on and there's so many great lines in it Yeah, it was funny, I laughed Show her your dick, touch your tith

Yeah, show her your dick, touch her tit, but don't get her pregnant I like the one about maybe E.T. looks normal on his own planet. Yeah, that was, oh my god, that whole segment was excellent too. He's trying to be profound and that's the best thing. Yeah, but that's brilliant. Yeah, it is so much about his character. That his father character was fun. And he's like, yeah,

Yeah, the father, he was fucking great. He was probably my favorite character. Taika Waititi. Taika Watiti. Yeah. Tyka. Why, Titty? What I like about his character is that he is a man child.

He is the definition of a man child, but he's not that when you say man child, it's normally like a negative thing. Like when I hear manchard, I think of fucking Will Ferrell and Step-Oll. I was thinking of the exact same thing. I fucking hate that shit in like those Will Ferrell movies. Baby man. Yep. The boss baby. There's something about this one where it just works.

There's something more natural about it. It's more believable. There are people that exist that are this immature. It doesn't go to that next level where it's so over the top and ridiculous that you're just sat there thinking. It's not just constant screaming. He's not obnoxious, yeah. And it's like his son genuinely looks up to him and thinks he's the coolest fucking guy ever. And he thinks he's the coolest guy ever.

But he's not. He's the lamest piece of shit you could find. He's so incredibly lame. Yeah, it plays on the same kind of elements and themes to some degree as this is England with a, you know, fatherless figure looking for role models wherever he can. You know, any kind of older adult male, it doesn't really matter what qualities they have. They're going to adopt it and are going to be manipulated by it in a sense. And I enjoyed that quite a bit. I really enjoyed the dynamic when he entered his life.

and he was able to get revenge on the bullies in pretty much the same way that it was inflicted upon him. It's like, oh, well, I've got an older family member that can beat your family member up now. And, you know, I liked that. I liked how they're so incredibly lame. That was the great part. But his son just looks like, oh, my God, my dad's doing this show. It's the coolest thing ever. Wow, he's so cool.

I enjoyed that the kid had a shitty haircut the entire movie. Yeah, I love that too. Yeah, that added some comedy to it. I enjoyed how the father is so fucking stupid that he has no idea where this money is buried. Like, there should be one large hole, not 200 holes spread out, you know. You should have some, you should know whether or not you were right next to the fence, you know, at least. You should at least know that, but apparently he didn't. These holes were equally spread out through the entire fucking field, which I feel.

found kind of funny. He's just totally inept in every way. There's a thing, the goat character. Yeah. In any other movie, that would just be a stupid gag, right? Like, oh, he has a goat that he talks to. How fucking crazy. But the goat comes back and he eats the money. And I'm like, oh my God, this goat actually had a purpose in the story.

And it comes back again after that. And it comes back, yeah, again. And he gets run over, which you're not expecting. Because you thought the goat thing paid off, but it didn't. And there's so many things like that in this movie there. Like, wow, he really ironed out. the script everything needs to be here honestly I don't know as soon as I saw the goat I was thinking he would probably eat something important and then as soon as he put the money in the car I knew that that was exactly what was gonna happen there's been so many

movies where goats show up to eat something important to the character honestly that happens a lot my when my parents moved into their house in New Zealand it came with a goat nice yeah so at least it's more fitting for the environment wait what was his name I didn't know I don't know. It was before I was born. Did you eat him? Yeah.

Or did you just have a... He just lived there. He just lived in the garden. Yeah. Well, that was the first thing my roommate said when the goat died. The goat died in the movie and they buried it. And then my roommate went, why did they just eat him? At least in this story, the goat is more fitting because it's in the environment.

But there's a lot of movies where, you know, they would be in a completely different setting. And there's a goat. It's just like, ooh, it just happens to be a goat here. You know, and then it's even more obvious. And what a goat is. known for, oh, you're eating everything. Eating paper and other things. It's like, okay, they're going to eat something.

As soon as I see a goat in a movie. The first time I saw it, no, no. Didn't even think about that. Because a goat just being there, isn't that weird to me? Yeah. Yeah. Perhaps if I were more familiar with New Zealand, I would just be like, oh, it's a part of the aesthetic.

That's how I talk it. I enjoyed the fact that it's short and sweet. It's only like an hour and 20 minutes long. And I feel like it could be one of those things where if it was approaching two hours, it could have started to get maybe a bit annoying or too much. I agree with you there. Yeah. Yeah.

But I still do wish I got more out of the film. Yeah. I don't think I needed anything more out of the film than what it was. I think under the... It's a short, simple coming of age story. And like the dramatic elements are there enough so that the movie has some weight and some tension. But I don't think it needed any more drama than it had. Yeah, under the context and intent of what is trying to be achieved here, I think there isn't that much to criticize.

Yeah, not really. Like it is exactly what he wanted it to be, you know, and it's well executed. It's a good comedy. The dramatic elements are okay, but I feel like the comedy was always the most important thing to this movie. And you watch it as a comedy. I can criticize it for not going far enough in the dramatic department, but I don't think that's what it was going for. That's why I think it's like perfect for this. That's why I have like no complaints with it.

I think the biggest takeaway from this podcast episode is that a lot of things just come down to personal preference. And Ralph doesn't like Isle of Dogs or Alex doesn't like Antichrist. And when I'm not as big of a fan of boy, you know, it's just down to personal preference. And as long as the person that is arguing against a film isn't me, then they're not an ass. So I think that's the lesson that we learned today is that when I don't like something I'm an asshole and how yeah Yeah, you just want to be contrarian. Yeah, I'm only doing it just to just to have a different opinion But as long as you're not me you're in the clear and that's what we learned today How dare people have different interpretations about? Yeah, what the fuck? That's not like that's the point or anything

mate anything else about boy? No, I think we should head on to questions what we you guys would you guys give this movie out of 10? I'd give it either four or four and a half stars. I can't remember what I gave it. All right. Okay. I might go with the perfect five-star rating. Oh, wow.

Really? For what it is, I think for what it is, it's fantastic. Yeah. And I would watch it again. This might be the very first podcast episode where my rating for a film that was recommended was lower than anyone else's. I think every other episode it's been higher. I thought you hated everything.

Oh, yeah. I hate everything. I just want to hate things to be contrary. We're all a bunch of hate and ass haters. Yeah. I don't have real opinions. I just look at what's popular and I automatically don't like it.

And I'm not giving it a chance. You don't even watch movies. You just fucking just hate it. You just read all the Rotten Tomatoes reviews. The only reason I didn't love a quiet place is because I already decided whether or not I wanted to love it based on the trailer. That's how my mind works.

I was going to see it this week. Should I go see it? Do you think I would like it? I'm dying to know what you think of it. So I would recommend you. We could talk about it. You might enjoy it. Everybody seems to be enjoying it.

But at the same time, you might also be constantly asking yourself why these characters are taking so many unnecessary risks. You might also be thinking about the world they presented and how it falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. But apparently that's not how you're supposed to watch movies, though. You're supposed to turn off your brain. And by turn off your brain, you mean also turn off every part of your brain that could possibly appreciate a film. So, yeah.

Yeah, just, you know, fall asleep and then you'll like it. You'll like every movie if you're just unconscious. Be in a coma and turn the movie on and you'll like it. Yeah, turn off your brain. Literally just go into a coma and watch movies that way. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's what I hate about people telling me to turn off my brain.

Oh, God. No. Hold on. I just want to say one thing. It's like, if you turn off. your brain then you you can't appreciate a film either so it's like what the fuck are you doing watching a movie because I that's how I can't I can't turn off my brain my brain is what I used to experience the movie you know what the fuck would I be doing if I was watching a movie

with my brain turned off ready player one is one of those yeah where people said I just got shut my brain off yeah I thought the movie is fucking horrible what they really mean is don't criticize things that I like anyway what it comes down again it's preference like if you think it's fun then that's fine I did not think it's fun and I have reasons for not thinking. Apparently I'm not allowed to think that a quiet place wasn't amazing. So anyway, let's get on to the questions. Yeah, let's get all the questions.

Enough of our complaining. Before I go on a rant here. Yeah, a whole other tangent. All right. So I picked out some questions. I went to you, Alex. I looked at them. Didn't choose any.

You didn't pick out of you. All right. I just looked to yours. All right, so this guy keeps asking questions every time because he wants me to read out his username. I guess I just have to. So this guy, he has a good question. Okay. So Ralph, you are a huge fag,

asks, who are some lesser known independent directors that you predict will blow up and deliver something big and great within the coming years? Anybody first? Because I... I would have said Tycho with Titi, but he did a Thor movie, so he doesn't count anymore.

Oh, that's a shame. That's like my only choice. Really? Well, did you still not count him? he did Thor? Because Thor is good for what it is. You can't, he is not, he's not a lesser known up-and-coming director. He is not. Oh, that's true. I just forgot the question. So imagine Thor doesn't exist and then that's my pick.

All right. The Safty brothers for me. Yeah. And heaven knows what is pretty fucking good too, I got to say. Yeah. I saw that recently. I will extend that definition of lesser-known and up-and-coming because that is only among film heads. But yeah, in the film community there, at least fairly well known at this point.

Apparently not at the Oscars. They don't know they exist. Of course not. Why would they? My answer would be David Bruckner. He has directed segments of anthology horror films. So he did the first third of the 2007 film The Signal, not to be confused with the 2011 or 2014 film The Signal, which is much more terrible. David Bruckner's segmented in the signal. By the way, have you seen the signal? Either you? No, I haven't.

Okay. I've seen what about says. I'll keep that in mind. And so the signal was an anthology kind of one-third of the film, each directed movie. His segment blew the other ones out of the water. Like, his was incredibly competent. Then he did a segment in the first VHS film, the best one there also. It was amateur night.

So the one with the siren character. and the guys in the camera and the guys' glasses. Like that was easily the best segment out of probably any VHS movie, or at least that one. And he did a segment in the film Southbound, which was pretty good. I would say it's the best one, the most competent out of that film,

although it wasn't nearly as good as the segments he directed for those other two films. His first feature film is called The Ritual, which is out on Netflix, very competent horror movie. And he is still not a name director because that is his first one. And because the script kind of sucks. He didn't write the script, though.

And this was his first actual project where someone saying like, here, we're giving you a budget. You can make this movie. I have no way to back up this claim, but somebody sent me a message in my business email thing saying that they worked with this studio and they were actually the ones to recommend David Brooks.

because they had heard about him through my videos. No way to back up that claim, but that would be very interesting if that's what happened. But he is like the directing in that film, the ritual, it's it's so incredibly competent and it's easily the best part of the film. Have you seen the ritual? Yeah, I watched it a couple days ago. Yeah. In the UK, it's on Amazon Prime for free instead of Netflix.

The movie's not amazing, but it's because the script is kind of holding it down and some of the characters are like actually unbearable. but the directing in this film is just like, holy crap, this guy's going to make something that everybody's going to love. He's going to make, like, the horror film of every three to five years that's actually good, you know? People get pissed off when I say there's not a good horror movie every year. But you also have to remember the takeaway is that it's just personal preference,

okay? There's usually one every year. No, I disagree. You did. you did remind me though of the guy who made it follows David Robert Mitchell yeah he's got another one coming out which I hear is fantastic oh yeah it looks awesome Andrew Garfield what's it called but yeah that guy seems really promising it follows is such a great horror movie the director of the witch has probably got some cool stuff coming out oh him too yeah so yeah a lot of starting horror movies a lot of new interesting voices in in horror films

which I'm very excited about because I love well-done horror films it's just I don't believe that there's a good one every year. And I watch any one of them that anyone would say is good. I just don't agree. Under the Silver Lake, that's what it's called. There's a horror movie that's coming out that's got amazing reviews being distributed by A24 called Hereditary. I'm kind of excited for that.

Let's see if it's good. It looks like it could be awesome. Who knows? In terms of up-and-coming directors... You gave a good list? I think we gave a good list. Well, yeah, those are mostly horror movies. I think Michael Franco,

Michel Franco is probably going to make something that blows up beyond Mexico. He's got like three movies. One of them's Chronic starring Tim Roth, which is the only one of his that's in English. I thought it was awesome. April's daughter was awesome. I haven't seen after Lucia yet.

But the biggest fucking problem that I have is that the Blu-Rays of these films, and quite often all kind of releases, even iTunes and everything, They're only in Mexico, and it pissed me off, especially because Chronic has Tim Roth in it, and it's in English and set in America. But it was the Blu-Rays only in fucking Mexico, and it pisses me off. And I would love for his films to get more popular, because I think that he's very talented.

Like, the only thing that I have any kind of an issue with in his films is, like, some of the white balance in the camera, but the exposure settings and shit. There's another guy. He'll figure that out once he gets to Hollywood. Yeah, I am. Once he's making Marvel movies, like all these guys are. Yeah, let me, let me, um, Alex, have you thought of any?

A guy called Michael Bay. Oh, Michael Bay is a good one. Yeah, his Transformer series, it's a little indie underground thing, you know, a pusher. So hopefully that ticks off one day. The last one especially was really, really awesome. Yeah, it was really unique.

He shot it with an IMAX 3D. Here's the last one I'm going to give. Trey Edward Schultz, who is not a name director at this point. Kresha was awesome. It Comes at Night was awesome, although much more controversial. A lot of people hated it. Because they sold it as a horror movie. Well, yeah, I mean, this guy is a very, very talented director with a very interesting style.

And it comes at night, not super accessible, but he will make something that everybody loves. He's going to make a movie, because nobody's going to fucking remember that it's the same director as it comes at night. Who knows, they might not even put it in the fucking marketing material just because it was so controversial. But he's going to make something that people fucking adore in the future, I think. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. So those are my predictions. That's a good recommendation. I even think of that. I guess because he's a big, well, he's not in Hollywood, but he's made a big movie. All right, next question? Go for it.

Yeah. All right. Opinions on Cannes banning Netflix originals. because I was kind of pissed when I heard this Oh, this is from deleted by the way That's the username Did you guys hear about this? Yeah, I heard about it

They were it's horrible They were threatening the band for a long time So Why are they that fragile That's like, oh, this new mediums, really scary That's what I don't like about it When Oakcha played there Oakja played at this festival

And everyone booed when the Netflix logo came up Why? Because that's a part of Cannes is booing Yeah It's like that's literally a part of all of the best movies get booed at Cannes. Synecdickey, New York got booed at Cannes. You know, like people boo every fucking movie that comes into Cannes because that's a part of the experience. And that's what makes it exciting is that it's a bunch of French people in a small town that are really fucking pretentious that decide that think they have the authority, the authoritative voice on whether or not a film should succeed.

And so, I mean, I would love to go to this festival, you know, I would love to be invited someday. But it is invite only, too. Like super fucking exclusive hoity-toity holier than now festival. But a lot of crazy fucking shit happens there in terms of like indie film and foreign film. It's one of the most legitimate and reputable film festivals out there, if not the most. It's probably the most, yes. I would have to say. Yeah, with Toronto coming in second, I would say.

And then Sundance around there. Sundance in Toronto, I'd say like flip-flop. Nah, Toronto's. whatever, I'm biased. But I just don't, yeah, exactly. I'm biased too. And Alex has some British one, which he thinks is the best, whatever. No, I did.

I don't like... Probably not. Yeah, okay. I don't like this idea where, like, you just can't count a movie because of some thing that has nothing to do with the quality of the movie. I'm sure you guys feel the same way. They've always been very, like, pro-indy, in a sense. Like, they have restrictions on what your budget can be.

It can. You know, if your budget is too high, they won't take it. Yeah. Oh, shit. Isn't solo playing at Ken? A lot of people that are complaining about this, and I personally disagree with it myself, but a lot of the people that are hearing this news story on Reddit and complaining about it, they don't really have any idea of what Cannes is.

It's not a Toronto Film Fest. It's not a Sundance. It's a very different film festival vibe and experience with all these fucking weird rules and all these hoity-toity people booing movies, you know. I think it's the principle. exceptions for certain people. What do you mean? Well, let's say Lars von Trir made a little movie.

He's banned. He's been over the... He got banned from Cannes. Yeah, after his... I'm a Nazi comment. Oh, yeah. Because he said he's a Nazi and they banned him. All right, let me use another example.

So they won't take him back. Michael, yeah, sure. Michael Hanakey. Let's say he makes a big budget. Yeah, they'll accept him. And they're playing solo there as far as I know. No, no, no, no. Because they do accept some larger,

budget films to be screened there as part of a kind of mutual promotional idea but they are not they're not a part of the competition so they have in competition films and out of competition fucking B movie premiered at Cannes I'm not even kidding

look it up online you can see YouTube videos of of Jerry Seinfeld doing his fucking press bullshit at Cannes with B movie he's dressing up in a B suit in this little fucking town in France it's hilarious Just that is just, it's so dumb to me that they're, they act all artsy fartsy and then they need money to be movie premiere there. You know, but they're out of competition, obviously.

The competition is what's important. But Netflix is this, it gives like a platform to people with no money and no voice to make a movie and for it to get seen. And then Canjo's like, ah, fuck them. Their movies are getting seen and they're making money. Fucking ban those because they're just, they're so morally, they're so opposed to the idea of it. Their reasoning is that. Netflix should adhere to the same rules that they have for other films is that they need to screen them in French theaters for I think like at least two weeks before releasing it anywhere else.

And I think that that's one of the rules in Cannes that applies to every other film as well. But with films like Okja and I think there was another one that year, Netflix actually refused to take part in those rules. And so I think that's their reasoning behind it. I believe Netflix actually refused to do that. And so they were given a warning and Canne said, look, if you want to have it on Netflix, that's fine, but you need to screen it in French theaters for X amount of time

before having it on Netflix exclusively. To my understanding, Netflix didn't want to do that. And so Cannes like, okay, we're going to ban you. I might not have the best understanding of the whole situation, but that's what I gather from what I've read or what I can remember. French culture is very preservative in a way And in the same way that Quebec is very Preservative of its language

French cinema is trying to be very preservative of the authentic theatrical experience and so obviously can of all places is going to be at the forefront Of trying to preserve cinema as an experience and that's kind of what they're afraid of with Netflix Perhaps they actually just added those rules because Netflix was a part of the competition in previous years. That could have been a rule that they just made up just for Netflix that technically applies to everybody, but is only for Netflix. And so I can understand where they're coming from. I disagree with it. I don't think that it's

necessary. I think that it's causing much more problems than, you know, the solutions or the benefits that they would be getting from this decision. I disagree with it overall, but I don't think that it's as black and white as a lot of people are making it out to be. Okay, that's fair. I think at the end of the day, if you make a good movie, it should supersede any bullshit controversy around it.

There's already tons of restrictions. Yeah, exactly. You know, even not including that. You know, Ken has a very strict set of rules to begin with, so. Yeah. I don't even agree with the screening thing. The Oscars have the same thing

where you got to screen your movie in theaters and it's just like, why? what if it's a great movie that you put on YouTube Yeah Yeah it is kind of I mean I know I know that's that's a silly that's a silly There's a lot of nonsense rules in any organization But film is is changing and growing as an art form

Where it's now you know a lot of people watch movies at home So there are going to be movies Great movies soon that are just going to be released on Netflix Or Amazon just fucking plopped on there And that'll be it I think Netflix might be done with great movies, though. Oh, yeah. I think they've switched paths.

They're like, eh, we just need more content. Well, to be fair, it's also early in the year. And a lot of studios tend to release their stuff later in the year. Yeah, that's true. The good stuff. So I'll give them till, let's say November. If by November, they keep up this trend, we'll call them a bunch of hacks. Okay.

Alex, do you have anything to add to this? can thing it fits into the what was it Stephen Spielberg came out recently didn't he saying other closet I don't think Netflix movies deserve Oscars oh that's dumb came out no no in that way that's yeah yeah he came out saying Netflix movies don't deserve Oscars what an old fart yeah it does come across as if he's just like completely not with it like Roger Ebert in video games or David Lynch and phones yeah exactly yeah it's just the growing pains of a evolving format like they're gonna have to to get with the times eventually, like, we're going to get films that are quality

and deserve recognition on these platforms. And it just takes, it's just going to be one that's going to be so good that they're going to have to change their rules. I mean, eventually. Manchester by the Sea was an Amazon Studios film. Yeah. Yeah. That was released in theaters.

Beasts of No Nation was a Netflix film and that got a lot of buzz. It should have, I mean. Got no Oscars. Yeah. No Oscar buzz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, again, they didn't count it. But Manchester by the.

to see. Amazon film. Yeah. That got tons of attention. It's already happening then, basically. Yeah. Yeah, but that's an Amazon film with, you know, known actors and a big budget and,

you know, so on. Since when is Idris Elba not a known actor? They didn't release it in theaters. Well, I saw it actually, uh, I saw a screening at Toronto Film Festival, so I did see it in the theater, but they didn't have a wide release, I don't think. Oh, okay. I think it needs to be a wide release or like a limited release for two weeks or something.

Yeah, I think Netflix should, uh, encourage theatrical releases, but I can see why they're not doing it for the same reasons that can wants them to, they don't want to. Because Netflix wants to replace theaters. That seems to be their goal. Okay, well, that's a good way of putting it. Different interests of businesses conflicting with each other. I'm always number one, the filmmaker. Yeah. It's just a shame that filmmakers have to suffer through this bullshit to get their movie scene. What do you say? One more question and we wrap this up? Sure.

Yeah. This one's from Neo Soul 727. What is the worst thing affecting film culture right now? YouTube film critics, mainly Ralph and Alex. That's a good one. That's probably one of the worst things happening to cinema. I think that they're devaluing and degrading and honestly just making films a worse medium for people to enjoy. Now, I can't even enjoy it.

I kind of wish that their channels disappeared. That's fair. Yeah, I agree with that one. Yeah. Yeah, I agree too. Hold on, let me slip my restroom real quick. Mine would be cashing in on nostalgia. Yeah.

We're getting to a point where we're running out of things to be nostalgic for. Like, we be it Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Stranger Things, with all the 80s shit. Oh, yeah. Just everything at the moment. All the most popular things are based on things. things of old. So, if this trend of everything, all the biggest films, right, all the biggest franchises being based on stuff that was created decades ago, it's just going to crumble on its own weight eventually. You know, it's fucking hilarious about all of that is that they're

cashing in on nostalgia for around our age range and also that of people who are alive in the 80s or appreciate 80s film culture. Yeah. Which means that if all of the films out in theaters are just nostalgia cash grabs, then the nostalgia of 20 to 30 years from now will also be 80s themed films because they'll be cashing in on the nostalgia of the remakes that we're cashing in on the nostalgia. So I find that hilarious that we've created a never-ending loop that I hope we escape from someday. Probably won't. There's a pretty good, um, there's a good Frank Zapper quote. That goes, death by nostalgia.

It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice. There are two other possibilities. One is paperwork and the other is nostalgia. When you compute the length of time in between the event and nostalgia for the event, the span seems to be about a year less in each cycle. Eventually within the next quarter of a century, the nostalgia cycles will be so close together that people will not be able to take a step without being nostalgic for the one they just took.

At that point, everything stops. That was deep, bro. that's like profound did he smoke a bunch of wed before saying that almost definitely wow dude oh man i got to find that quote and copy and paste it make it my background on my desktop that's brilliant i've got an answer i would say that the absolute worst thing happening to films is audience complacency and that that ties itself into what you said also alice because this entire culture of nostalgia and remakes and blah, blah, blah, or even the oversaturated superhero market,

these things wouldn't exist if they weren't sellable, you know? They exist because we as a consumer society have voted with our wallets and said, yes, this is what I want. And so you can't even really blame the market for understanding that and making films based on that. You have to blame the audience. And I very much do. And that is part of why I like to be critical.

That is part of why I feel as though a higher standard for films needs to be demanded, is that we will get better films because of it, you know? That is why I cover so many foreign and indie films on my channel is because I want there to be more of a market, more of a variety. If people just keep seeing the exact same movie over and over again that they've already seen, then that's what we're going to get next year. You know, we see all these fucking Reddit posts complaining about like, oh, no, they're remaking Spider-Man, or

oh, no, they're remaking this or Jumanji or blah, blah, blah, and then everybody will go fucking see it, you know? In the same way that people complain about the fucking emoji movie before it comes out and it's like, I'll see it ironically. You realize you're basically just telling them, yes, please make a sequel. And then those same people go on the internet and go,

really, they're making a sequel? Oh, how did it make enough money? Because you fucking saw it. You voted with your wallet. You asking them to give you more of the same shit by seeing the same shit over and over and over again. It is the audience's fault. That's my answer. That's at you, Alex. You're the one who paid to see emoji movie.

This is your fault. We've all paid to see shit films. We've all paid to see the Black Panther, you know. At least I try to keep mine like more staggered, you know. Uh-huh. Well, aside from that horrible violin sound effect I was complaining about, it's in every movie. I think Ron Tomatoes is probably the worst thing. We've gone so in depth of Rotten Tomatoes before. But that system where you just got to make a movie that's okay, and everyone will rate it a six out of ten, and it'll get 100% on Rot Tomatoes,

and everyone will think it's the greatest movie ever made, and they'll all go see it. And it's a system that propels mediocrity and then it means anyone from trying, perpetuates my apologies. I'm tired. Well, both. I mean, either acceptable. I just thought that. I guess so. Perpetuates mediocrity and it keeps

filmmakers from trying new things at fear that the Rotten Tomato score will be lower. Yeah. Because controversy lowers the score. It does encourage more easy, inoffensive kind of films that don't take risks. Yeah. Well, Hollywood always tries to find that formula.

What's the way to make the most money? And the way to make the most money now is have a good rotten tomato score. That's a big factor. Yeah. So they make movies that are okay and appeal to as many people as possible on purpose to get as high a rating as possible. Or in Disney's case, they offer favors to critics, which is what they do.

I know you like Last Jedi Alex, but 90, what does it have, 95%? Something like that. Something really high. Yeah. The disparity between the critics and the audience is ridiculous in that case. And it makes me think maybe Disney offered them, not money, they didn't write them a check, but like, we'll give you some advertising,

you know, a little advertising thing here and there. Yeah. Favors, you know, favors. You get to go to a premiere, stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. Pamper them a little. Yeah, there's a lot of people that seem to think that Rotten Tomato scores,

especially for that movie, are completely dependent on that sort of thing. There's a lot of people that seem to think that that sort of thing, never happens. I think it's a bit of both. I think it's a bit of both. It's not like it's rigged, but...

Yeah. It's definitely a thing that happens, but it's also... You can't account for every single rating on the site because of that. Mm-hmm. Of course. All right.

All right. Is that we all answered... We did it. Yeah, we did. I got to recommend a movie. Yeah, that's... Yeah. You should recommend your next movie

for us to watch. So I was picking between a funny movie in a serious movie, but Alex picked a fucking great comedy, so I'm going to go with the more serious one. What? This is a film. Hold on me look up some info on this, just so I'd get everything right. Okay,

you don't even know what you're recommending. Well, I do, but I want all the info right in front of me. So this is a film from 1975 by my favorite director, Stanley Kubrick. It's Barry Lyndon. It is one of one of my favorite movies ever. That's one of them that I haven't seen.

Yes, same. That's one of them. ones I haven't seen other. Perfect. This is the most underrated movie ever made. Awesome. It is fucking brilliant and it is the most gorgeous looking movie ever. Top five movies ever for me. So I'm excited to talk about it.

I already have it on Blu-ray. So thank you. It's become a meme with Adam because everyone's like, Adam hasn't seen Barry Lyndon. Like on every thread that hates you. What? Because I look to see what you haven't seen. And there's the big list and like,

he hasn't seen Barry Lyndon. Lyndon, what a fucking piece of shit. People can't say that. Well, yeah. And you know what I fucking hate? I'll keep the short. You know what I fucking hate about people that say that is they seem to completely ignore the

fact that I could be doing the same fucking obnoxious thing to them. I could be pointing out all these different fucking current indie and foreign language films and be like, you've never fucking seen blah blah blah. Like, there's so many other movies that I decide to watch because I like to

to see as many things as possible from any given year. And so that obviously takes away from my time. And so it's difficult to go back in time. And so I'm saying thank you, Ralph, because sometimes I just need a little bit of encouragement to actually watch the film. There's so many films that I'm intending on watching that I just haven't gotten around to yet

because I know they're always going to be there. Like, it took me forever to watch Citizen Kane because I'm like, yeah, I can watch that at any point, you know? I want to say one more thing about Barry Lyndon. This movie's three hours long. Perfect. And it's very, very dense. So if you're an audience member listening, you can watch this movie in two chunks,

hour and a half each, it's split into two acts. Nice. So if that's the way you want to do it. I'm very excited. I know a three-hour movie, that's a period piece is very daunting task for some. Not that that's a bad thing. I can't wait. I just want to let you know.

Yeah. Perfect. Thank you, Ralph. Have fun, guys. And anybody who wants to join in on the discussion in the next episode of this podcast, you should watch the film before then. because we're going to have a spoiler discussion and spoil the movie. So watch it before next episode,

which is going to air in two weeks from this episode being posted. All right. Perfect. Any closing comments or statements? Nah. No? Don't get into the Nazi stuff. Yeah.

Okay. Ralph, you want to do your impression of a Kiwi accent real quick? Dude, I don't even want to follow. That's why I want you to do it. myself. Yeah, that's why you want to hear it. Boyy. So, I don't even know where to start with it. Oi. Egg. Okay, oy. I don't know. Give me something to say. What's something that say, you're an egg. You're an egg. It's me, Ralph. Ril's up, it's me Ralph. RELF. That's actually not bad. That wasn't bad at all. What the fuck?

All you got to do is try. Tikaa Kiki, hit me up. I'll fucking be one of your movies. All right. Great note to end on. Bye everybody. Thanks for listening. Bye-bye.