Sardonicast - Sardonicast #07: Avengers: Infinity War, Barry Lyndon

Episode Date: May 10, 2018

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sardonicast Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/sardonicast Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sardonicast Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/9vG73zS Ralph's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/ralphthe... Alex's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/IHEOfficial Adam's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/YourMovi... Alex's Twitter: https://twitter.com/IHE_OFFICIAL Ralph's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ralphsepe Adam's Twitter: https://twitter.com/2gay2lift Adam's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/YMS Ralph's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ralphthemovie... Intro music by: https://www.youtube.com/user/anUnkind... Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:20 - Ready Player One 28:39 - Avengers: Infinity War 46:00 - Avengers: Infinity War (SPOILERS) 1:04:30 - Barry Lyndon (SPOILERS) 1:36:17 -Q&A Marvel Symphonic Universe: https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs Liam Neeson Jumping A Fence in Taken 3: https://youtu.be/gCKhktcbfQM Adum's Film Recommendation is Amores Perros (2000)

All right, go ahead. Three, two, one. Hello, we're SardanaCast. We remember it so you don't have to. Probably should have used that last episode. I realized that that was a huge missed opportunity. We're Sardinacast. I'm Adam from your movie sex.

Did someone just crush into your own room? What did you do? Oh, there's construction going on outside. Yeah, imagine trying to sleep. Yeah, every. Okay, so I bought this apartment in fucking September, and then that's when they start constructing a fucking building right next to it. Awesome. So like every morning from 8 to 12.

Oh, anyway, Ralph the movieman. Same thing happened to me. com slash Rothamov the Moviemaker. And I'm Alex. I'm Alex from I hear everything. Yeah. There's construction everywhere in the city. So if you're explosions in the background, that's the construction.

It's the Avengers. Yeah, it's the Avengers. I went to a 90s themed party. And I constructed a suit of armor made out of old 90s VHS tapes and I guess we'll link to the picture in the description of this video, but I was quite proud of it. I want to see it on Twitter. It's right on your page. Yeah. Just scroll down my...

Did you already have all of those VHS tapes or did you have to find them? Well, I started collecting a couple. I was with my mom and I found like an old Lion King VHS tape and I'm like, wow, these are actually kind of valuable because I read the some dumb click bait article about how they're really valuable but they're not really i mean they have to be like mid-condition i guess i was just under the wrong impression and so my mom saw me buying this and then next thing i know like next time i see her she's like i've got all these VHS tapes for you i'm like oh great i mean like some of them they're pretty cool to have but i think she kind of um over overestimated my um interest in collecting these things so i had a shit ton of them and then you know

Half an hour before going to the party, I'm like, I've got a great idea. And so I duct tape a bunch of them together and showed up as a 90s VHS man. And nobody else was really dressed up. Stuff like a couple people. Someone photoshopped you on like the cross being crucified. Oh, yeah. That's cute. So I was briefly mentioning this to Alex before the podcast.

And I told him that I brought pizza pops. He said he didn't know what pizza pops were. I don't know what pizza pops are. I've never heard of pizza pops or what's the other one? I said it's like a hot pocket. Hot pocket, yeah. Yeah. And you didn't know what that is either.

We don't have those in the UK either as far as I'm one. So I don't know what those are, so I have no reference point. Well, then what do you eat? What do you guys do there? Don't have pizza rolls? You don't have free speech. Whoa. Yeah, that's true.

Whoa. Thanks for reminding me. So I buy you. all this fucking candy. And then my roommate forgot to bring one of the bags of candies. So now I have like all these dumb kinder surprise and dino-sours in my kitchen. Oh, right. Give them out to our fans.

Yeah. It's not so bad. Well, if I send a Kinder surprise to the States, I'll get like arrested or something. Really? I don't know. They're like banned in the States, aren't they? Kinder Surprise? They are?

Yeah. Well, I've never even heard of them. Oh. Well, they have like shitty. pretend ones now. Basically, okay, the concept of a

kinder surprise is it's this little this chocolate egg basically. It's two halves. It's kinder milk chocolate. And then inside there's this capsule

that's fairly large. I don't know what to compare the size to. I'd say about the size of a golf ball. There's like a toy inside that you can either

put together or it's, I guess now most of them they're like already put together. But they got banned in the States because the idea was that people wouldn't be able to figure out that you're not supposed to eat the plastic toy yep yep Americans are stupid dude and they find any reason to sue anyone for anything

so yeah I get it I totally get it yeah so they have these pretend ones now where the toy and the chocolate are basically in separate packaging but they sell it as one yeah go ahead It's like split into two. It's even the point. Yeah. So I don't think I can send those overseas. I think that would be illegal because they're not allowed in America. All right.

Smuggle it. Smuggle it like the Mexican border. They smuggle the cocaine. The smuggle kinder surprises. I just need the help of the CIA to smuggle in cocaine. No, you don't need the help of the CIA. You're not supposed to help the CIA. They do.

Where'd you hear this from? From my sources Your sources, I think you're full of shit He doesn't help with that Okay All right So I think we also I'm trying to think of a segue

Yeah Well I was I was Let's just tired of this conversation Let's just fuck off into Ready Player 1 We'll get to Avengers after that Ready Player 1 I just released the video

Obviously I have criticisms but what surprised me is that I think I rated it the highest out of all of us I'm shocked yeah yeah you gave it a five didn't you for people who don't know yeah four or a five but usually when I'm you went with the five yeah I have to pick one on the TV we look back on this day we're gonna go Adam gave it a five that fucking hack yeah because you're gonna look back and go like wow this is not a five I thought it was unbelievably terrible yeah so let's let's let's

Discuss. Yeah, I thought it was an absolute worthless piece of trash film. I'm serious. Nothing ticks me off more than referencing stuff for no reason. You know, like the Big Bang Theory gets a bad rap for just Game of Thrones and then the side of them laughs. What is the value of that? And Game of Thrones was that the movie to me?

That if you take the references out of the movie, what is even left? You mean Big Bang theory was that the movie? theory was that the movie? No, ready player one was that kind of joke. Okay. Yeah, you said Game of Thrones. Yeah, that's what I said. Sorry, I'm mixing up all my references. No. Yeah, that kind of humor, that referential, the reliance on referential humor. Well, not even just humor, just references in general. It's references made by someone who doesn't understand the thing they're parroting or incorporating in the movie. They did nothing clever with anything. Yes.

It all boiled down to, okay, we have the Iron Giant, so we're going to have them punch people. The Iron Jam was the worst one, because it completely contradicts what that character represents. And I get it. Even seen it. But again, it's like stupidity. Like, let's take everything that makes these things interesting and boil it down to they just, they punch things. That whole shining segment, Adam, I believe you liked it. The Shining.

I liked enough of it because I enjoyed it. most of it well yeah up until they it started getting iffy when they did the um room 237 scene and it wasn't the same lady i would have rather that was half of it what that was like half the scene though no yeah yeah like what you're talking about when he got into room 237 it was like a minute into the scene oh yeah that's what that's before that before that point I was kind of enjoying that scene. I really appreciated that they added some like subtle like film grain aesthetic to it to make it look

as though they were actually a part of the movie. It was very subtle too. It wasn't like overbearing ridiculously in your face. I love that they used parts of the film soundtrack in that scene, not just in parts where it's like, oh, something's happening in the movie, but characters would be figuring out information,

learning things as they go and one of the themes one of the songs from The Shining would play as though it's relating to what they're figuring out in the movie not necessarily what is happening in the Shining universe so I like how they incorporated that

and yeah I like that they used real footage from the movie and it was all fairly faithful up until the Room 237 scene where it wasn't the same actress but you know I can understand why because that would have been much more difficult to try and recreate.

And then the floating dancing zombies was stupid. Yeah, sure. Like when that scene started, I thought what you thought, like, oh, this is going to be really cool. I can't wait to see what they do with it. And then technically it was really well done. But again, he goes into, well, the elevator opens, first of all, and the blood comes out. And he goes like, whoa, whatever. And then he goes in that room, and then the witch just has a knife now for some reason

and starts trying to stab him. And then Jack Nicholson's, uh, CGI and Jack Nicholson starts trying to kill him. And it's like, you guys completely missed the point of what the shining is and why it's scary. And again, they devolve it into stupid shit. And that's how everything in the movie is for me. I was kind of just hoping that one of the characters would open a door and they find a man sucking a dude's dick in a bear costume. Yeah, I was wait for me. Yeah, I would love that.

What annoyed me the most out of that shining scene was it just, there was no clever spin. There was no clever twist on it. It wasn't used in an interesting way. It was just recreating scenes. And it's like, well, if all you're doing is referencing better films, all it maybe want to do is go and watch The Shining. Maybe you want to leave the theatre and run home and watch the shining. And every scene was like that.

There was the scene where they referenced Back to the Future with the music in a similar way to the way you said. Yeah. And it's like, yep, Back to the Future is a great film. Much better than this film. What's your point here? Yes, we all know Back to the Future is great. you're not adding anything to this is not clever, it's just a reference.

It's a film that doesn't stand on its own at all because nothing it does separate from the references is good, even remotely. The characters all suck, the humor is terrible. There's not one good joke, I think, in the entire movie. There was one good joke, actually. There's the one joke the bad guy makes where he tries, he's trying to figure out how much ad space he can fit in the headset before it gives the person wearing it a seizure.

That was the only funny joke. The rest of it, awful. Well, I mean, it's not, I don't really think it was trying to do anything particularly substantive with the references it was making. It was clearly just designed to be banking on nostalgia. It called itself a pop culture odyssey is what it called itself, right? And so it's supposed to play on this idea that everybody's fantasy is like, oh, I wish I could climb a mountain with Batman. And that's literally one of the examples they give at the beginning of the movie. It's like, you can go mountain climbing with Batman.

It's like, oh, wouldn't you love to do that audience? member and that's literally the entire movie. So the only reason I don't think it's terrible, even though obviously I think I have many of the same criticisms as you do. I don't think it's terrible because it's not really trying to be anything super substantive in the first place. It's literally just Steven Spielberg, dumb pop culture Odyssey, have fun in VR sort of thing. And I had fun, although I was still infuriated while I was having fun.

Yeah, I wanted that out of it, but I got. nothing out of it because there was nothing creative in it. They did nothing with anything. And like even the world itself. Really? I was expecting creativity. Steven Spielberg in 2018. All right. Creativity with the visuals at least. I wanted some fun action and some stakes and whatever.

It was like, yeah, everyone's in this fucking video game and it all looks fake. And I get it all looks fake because it's a video game. But like, why do I care? Just turn off the game and go outside. I give a shit. But the oasis, man. Yeah, and then at the end of the movie, they act like, oh, well, I'm going to show off the oasis two days out of the week so you could go outside. And like the whole movie, the point was the real world sucks.

Yeah. And so everyone wants to live in this game. And now the point of the movie is the real world's actually great. Wow. What the fuck? Yeah. I mean, they were really trying to ham fist a positive message in at the end. They were really trying to be like, well, we're not trying to glorify escaping reality.

even though we just did for the whole most of the movie. Let's pretend like we didn't. What about the whole aspect of, I guess this is kind of a major spoiler for the movies. So spoilers, I wouldn't say everything we said so far is like too big of a spoiler. It's not a very hard to call a movie. But there's a character who's,

there are two characters, I guess, who are kind of set up as being mysterious and they keep saying, you don't want to see me in real life. You might be disappointed. things along that line and then when one of them is revealed it's like is that really the problem

it's just like it's so condescending and embarrassing I don't think that's a spoiler that's like a fucking trope at this point oh no I've got a birth mark but I'm actually a model I'm so ugly oh no I'm so you wouldn't love me in real life I know I'm a model

on every part of my body except this one spot that I could easily cover up with my hair I'm just so ugly I'm not pretty at all. I live fine anyway. Yeah. Yeah. And the two Asian kids, that they live, everyone lived a block away from each other. And that made the movie worse too.

That was hilarious. No, because it makes everything feel so much smaller scale than it really is. And it's like, if the age just never met, it would have been a better movie. Everybody's local. Yeah, the point is everyone over the internet joins forces to fight this conglomerate. And it's like, no, all these people just meet in real life. And what they do in the video. But they never met in real.

life until that point. Exactly, but they know who they are. Doesn't he just walk up to him. It's Dieto. It's Dieto, yeah. Just the worst script. Did you even think the worlds were interesting? Because I thought they did nothing like, like creative, visually creative with it. It's all blue and purple. The shining was the only like kind of fun scene for me in terms of like a visual presentation. The rest of it, I was just like, I was, I was just passively watching, you know, know, a dumb popcorn, stupid movie, you know? And I was just kind of okay with it. You hate it.

Well, okay, let's say this then. I rated this movie a five, and then I rated, you know, a lot of other Marvel movies also a five, you know, it's kind of in the same vein, but I guess my enjoyment for this one was a little higher. I'd say Marvel movies are so much better than this. Yeah. Some of them. Marvel movies. Nah.

Yeah, even the worst ones. Even the worst ones aren't as pandering as this. I feel like this movie didn't really try to be anything much more than what it eventually was. Whereas I feel like a lot of Marvel movies try to be a lot more than what they are. At least they're trying to do something. It was just embarrassing. I thought from the beginning to end it was just my head in my hands, I was laughing at it because I thought it was so ridiculously cringy. Yeah, me too.

I think the biggest problem comes from why did they adapt to this book? If this is the material, if this is what they're basing it off. And you know, there's like a whole section of the book that's like dedicated to how the main character jerks off or something. You should find out and read it. It's really, really funny that page. And it's like, oh my God, am I supposed to be taking this seriously? This is what you chose to adapt into a movie. So from the get-go, when the material was such garbage, you can't, you can't.

turn this kind of shite into something workable like from the get-go it was screwed it doesn't matter what director or who you get to adapt it or how many visual effects you throw at the screen it's just shallow and vapid and I thought it was nauseating at points too yeah that's what that's what I was thinking because I was trying to figure out what's wrong with it and at its core it's just fucked the story itself is dumb and doesn't make any sense and the world makes no sense and there's nothing you can really do with it. And if you find it fun, because clearly people love this movie and love this book, right?

You can say it's fun and I thought it was fun. And I'm like, okay, fine, you thought it was fun. But I didn't find it to be fun at all. So you can't even argue with me because all my points, our points are pretty, you know, hard to argue. The thing I found interesting was that for everyone who says the film is bad, they say, oh, the book was really good, though. And then there are people that say, oh, it's not, it's not surprising. Because the book was so terrible that every single person seems to have a completely different point of reference

It's so divisive. Yeah, which is really odd to me Who would have thought ready player one would be so divisive? A controversial film not ready for our time Were there people in your theaters like laughing and clapping whenever there was a reference to something? No, but oh my god, it's the I enjoy it We don't do that I guess a shit. Yeah, oh yeah, you people are polite That happens every Marvel movie though

Marvel movies I like it Marvel movies it's fun that's part of the experience Alright We don't even do that here either Yeah, uh Yeah You guys know I'd have fun I think that literally is it

We're not allowed to emote in any way Emoting it anyways and polite Yeah I am I felt intellectually offended by Ready Player 1 But I didn't feel offended When it came down to like entertainment

I was entertained I was never bored You know it moved along It was a fairly long movie And it kept my attention I thought the film was so predictable Oh it was insanely predictable Oh it was insanely predictable

I really needed to pee I really needed to pee And I was like I was just analyzing The way the film was going And pinpointed the perfect place To go to the toilet And I missed nothing Um

Yeah that's the kind of level it was That's how I felt When that girl showed up And gave the whole speech about You know I don't want you to see me in real life I honestly thought of leaving the theater I was like I really don't want to sit through the rest of it

Yeah I thought that a couple times too I thought it was so awful This is just not this is not a movie for me at all There comes a point where a movie is so Formulated that it just becomes really funny to me You know? Okay Yeah but I didn't find anything funny about it

It was hilarious I found the whole movie really funny But I feel like the movie was trying to be funny Like in a tongue-in-cheek way And that's why I didn't like it Because if it's intentional, then I'm like, that's not funny then. It's funny when you're unintentionally the worst thing ever. Like Cloverfield Paradox or something.

I mean, overall, I just don't think it took itself extremely seriously. And, you know, it would have been cool to have a movie that took itself more seriously for sure. But I just, I felt like I got a Stephen Spielberg pop culture Odyssey VR film pretty much as described, you know. I don't feel like I was. on YouTube, then maybe. That would be right. Yeah, it should have been like a 15-minute-long YouTube video. Also, Minecraft is a thing in the future.

Did you notice that the Minecraft VR world? Most of the references were Microsoft owned, so there were lots of Halo soldiers running around. There was the Gears of War thingy. There were five master chiefs that all looked the same for some reason. There's Spartan people. You would change it up. Well, yeah, I mean, apparently Battletoads had a massive resurgence in the year 24.

It's just because Microsoft own it. They must have had some deal. They actually do own it. Remember the Twitch reference? They're like, man, I got to go to my Twitch stream, bro. Yeah. Give me a fucking break. There's tons of issues.

Just hopeless. Just fucking hopeless. I mean, if you find it fun, good for you. I'm not going to knock you. Probably a young teenage boy. It's made for teenage boys. Yeah. So if you're a teenage boy, I'm like, yeah, okay.

I don't know, it's trying to cash in on a lot of 1980s nostalgia. That's true. Yeah, I don't know why. I think it's also made for man-children. Yeah. Well, man-children, I go grow up. That's also what was so wrong about it. It was so full of references to, like, a target demographic spanning so wide.

They're trying to catch this huge net, and it ultimately is not satisfying to any of them, in my opinion. Like, the part that really pissed me off was when, for no reason at all, like a chess burst to just burst out of a character. No, yeah. Look, Ailer, remember that? And then just takes it off and it's like, whatever. It wasn't relevant to anything. Just a little reference for you.

Let's move on. That's the whole film, just in a nutshell. Every single scene boils down to that. Yeah. Uh-huh. What about when it's like, the camera pans over and it's like, look, there's the nuke, if it goes off, everybody dies. Let's move on.

That's hilarious. It's like, fuck you, movie. You think I'm that goddamn stupid. It's a purchasable item in the game. that blows everything up. Who the fuck? It just makes no sense. They establish rules that they break.

They introduce it the last five seconds of the fucking movie. They're like, oh, we have this bomb that blows everything up. Who added that in? It destroys every player and item in the sector. Yeah, in the sector. I think you said in your review, Adam, you're like, what if some guy just grinded to do that? Someone would, guaranteed.

They totally do not understand the gamer mindset. There would be people just littered all over this place, just killing people and destroying everything, just for the fuck of it, for fun. Well, like, the first secret was built on the fact that no one has ever driven backwards in a racing game. It's like, in five years. The first thing in Mario Kart, you do.

You know, it's just like, it's completely deaf in every way imaginable. It's hilarious. There's the scene in the movie where the old guy has, like, an earpiece on, and he's trying to talk to the main kid like he's hip and cool. And that, I think that's Spielberg.

That reminds me, lot of just he has people telling him all these references and he tries to make a movie out of it but he really doesn't understand gaming culture or what anything would be like if this were to actually happen so i got nothing out of this movie it was just Spielberg on autopilot you could just tell it's like well this it's like him just go into his nine to five i don't think it's that i think Spielberg wants to make kids movies now he's made that clear and sometimes he's better at it like i think tinton's pretty good and sometimes Again, it's like this concept is so just garbage from the get-go.

No matter what you do with it, I don't think you can make it work. Unless you go totally bat-shit insane with it, like crank two or something, which is not going to happen. If they had anime girls and Ugandan Knuckles, it would have been great. Yeah, then it would have been great. If it was VR chat, the movie, hell yeah. That would be hilarious, yeah. But that's never going to happen. Except it's that but watered down and boring and way too long.

and full of annoying references. Like an old man saw his son play VR. Did the character designs bug you guys at all? I found them very odd for... There was a lone character. And that's it. I didn't even notice the furry. I bet, Adam, you were looking for it.

I bet. Where all the furies are. I was just wondering, I don't know, is that cat person that tricked him supposed to be like an actual character? Or was that just like... I don't even remember. That was like before the Zemeca Cube.

T.J. Miller. What do you guys... Oh, no, T.J. Miller. Holy shit was he bad. What a... What a useless character? He didn't even have to be in the movie. When was this?

He did fucking nothing. Who was he? What did he do? The villain. He was the other villain. Oh. Oh yeah. He's the one who gave him the bomb, right?

No, he gave him the shield for the bit of the end. The shield? Okay. Yeah, right. He gave him something. And he had like back problems? Yeah. Yeah, implying that like he's fat and at a keyboard kind of.

thing. Yeah. He plays World of Warcraft, funny, funny, you know. Yeah. Yeah. That's all gamers, dude. Lel. Kek. Kek. Is that enough? Yeah. Fuck. That's how I feel about it. It's so awful.

What would you give it out of ten or five because you do stars? I've won, easily. I give it half. Half of one. Holy shit. Okay. I fucking hate this film. I hate it with a passion. I would give it a four or a five out of ten.

I just don't think it was like incompetent from like a filmmaking perspective I think it was it was just it like its only goal was so dull dumb and make money and it did that I mean even even the real world stuff that's what the Transformers films do like yeah exactly and the real world stuff looked like fucking saving Prev Ryan or something it had like the same color palette it's like all washed out and white and flat looking I'm like what is this I thought this was more competent than a Transformers film. They're about as consistent with their world building as a

Transformers film. Like, nothing makes any sense. There's some visual stuff I like in Transformers. No, I can't even agree with you there, dude. I mean, the later Transformers sure, but like, Transformers 1, you got some cool visuals in there. What, Megan Fox?

Yeah, Megan Fox. I mean, that's that scene. Yeah, that's the second one, dude. You got to stay up on your own transforms. Some great visuals. I don't care. Yeah, I bet you know Because it's just shit

I don't care either I stopped watching I think after the second movie The second movie was the one that I quit on Was that the one where she was high on pot brownies Yeah That was a bad scene That was a terrible

Oh they were all bad scenes I mean that movie was written During the writer strike So how can you blame them There was just so much that didn't make sense Yeah well because they shot the action scenes first And wrote the script later Because of the writer's strike

Do you know that whole fucking thing? Yeah. They had to shoot the movie, so Michael Bay is like, let's just shoot some action scenes, and the writers will figure it out later on. That's great. That's the way to make a movie. Why would the old robot have a cane and a beard? If he's just old, wouldn't he just be a regular robot with some rust?

Why is there an old robot? Yeah. Do they age like humans? Did they build him a cane and a beard when he was a young robot? and it's just coincidental that he is now being discovered in the dirt as an old robot. That's the one where SpongeBob voices like a really racist character. It's like an ice cream. Oh, yeah, the step and fetch it bots.

Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, those, they cut those out of three and the rest of them because, yeah. That was a little too far. We're sorry about that. Michael Bay says it's racist. That's when you know it's really bad. There was a really great compilation that was on,

probably five years ago of all of the racist shit in Michael Bay movies and it was so good and I think it got copyright claimed and just nobody uploaded it after that point but it was so awesome it was really funny just every film he's made in hole from start to end it was literally just a mashup like a compilation of of every time there's been some very exaggeratedly ebonic character or you know Like a crazy Where they're clearly Just being used for like comic relief But it you know It would be fine in one movie But it's like every movie Sort of thing

Yeah It was just a funny compilation to me All right You want to get off this So don't watch Ready Player 1 in conclusion Yeah don't watch it Yeah Fair enough

So how'd you like The new Purple Shrek movie Oh Purple Shrek Purple Homer comes down and wrecks everyone. I want to know what Alex thinks because you kept your ratings hidden on letterbox. Yeah. Smart boy. I'm just getting ready to go on the defensive because I thought it's one of the best Marvel movies since The Avengers.

I thought it was excellent. I'm not going to attack you for a feeling that way. I didn't think that, but I thought it was good. I thought it was pretty good. It's the most engaged I've been in one of them in a long time. Yeah, I got to say for a movie that's like almost. three hours long, I was never bored. Hardly ever bored.

It lost me a bit here and there, not from boredom, just like what? Yeah. I think for a film that is trying to attempt so much on the scale that it is, doing something kind of unheard of in cinema, just so many characters, and it not being a DC cluster fuck, nauseating mess with, you know, really well-planned-out action scenes and fun character interactions and a really interesting villain that binds it all together like i don't think anyone was quite expecting the film to really rely on thanos as much as it did and develop him and it i was saying from the get-go the the film is will work for me as long as the villain who has

been hyped up for six years so he had he had to be impressive or developed in some way because you can't expect us to automatically like care just because he was shown at the end of a film and after credits six years ago, you know. What movie did they do that in? The First Avengers. Oh, really? Where he does a cheeky little smile at the camera and it's like...

Yeah. Wow. The very end credits. And then he shows up again in Guardians. Yeah, he was in Guardians. Yeah, he was in Guardians. Oh. Mm-hmm.

But that's it. Yeah. Because usually those after credits things happen and I'm just like, I have no idea what this is. And I just assume it's one of the other movies that I haven't seen. So I usually just forget about them immediately. Yeah, someone next to me goes, that's Thanos.

I'm like, oh, yeah, okay. So you guys were kind of on the same page you gave it, what, like a six out of ten, a pair of you? Yeah, that's what I gave it. What'd you think of? Well, I give it a sixth numerically, but I agree with Alex that it's the best and most engaging Marvel Avengers film in a long time. I would call it better than the first Avengers for my own personal experience.

I didn't really like the First Avengers that much. No. I don't give a shit about Hulk, you know? the more he's in a movie, the more I don't like it. I don't give a shit about Iron Man. Okay, fair enough. I really don't like a lot of the original Avengers characters. Really?

They're my favorite ones. I know. They're everyone's favorites. Yeah, they're my favorite too, plus Spider-Man. I like Spider-Man. Who do you like out of the new bunch? Ant-Man? Black Panther?

Okay, so who? Dr. Strange? Oh, yeah, you know what? I'm trying to even think of any that are remotely interesting. I kind of like Doctor Strange, although I didn't see his solo film. All right, so you didn't see his solo movie. This movie kind of made me want to see the Doctor Strange film. I like Spider-Man.

I enjoyed Thanos. I like the Guardians of the Galaxy characters, but I found their scenes to be really shitty in this movie. I really did not get behind the humor in this movie at all. I thought it was very consistent with the other movies. Yeah, me too. I thought that was so impressive to me. Every character has been written by a different set of, you know, writers and directed by different directors. And they still felt like the same characters to me.

So seeing them play off of each other was really effective. And a huge payoff because there were points in this, what's it, this is the 19th movie or something, where I've only watched them almost as if it were homework, you know, where it's like, I know they're building to something. something with this and I'm really not that interested in this character but whatever I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it anyway and they're usually fine but this it made me appreciate things that I didn't really like as much anymore like I was never that crazy about Doctor Strange but seeing him in this context playing off other characters makes him more interesting to me it makes everything that I've invested into him much more satisfying and it felt that way all around

from every character I've seen this is the first movie where I find liked Thor. Thor? Thor was actually interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like he's now this tragic guy who has nothing left in his life and it's like he's just wants to fucking kill Thanos. And I'm like yeah, I thought so too. I'm like, wow, Thor's actually a good character now. He's not just like a joke and he's still kind of a joke. I really enjoyed the Thor scenes and storyline in this film. But that is not enough to make me want to watch any of the Thor. solo movies. There's no reason to, except the third one. Yeah, the third one's okay.

Yeah, Ragnarok, when he's on the trash planet, I thought was pretty great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything else, eh. Yeah, I really hate the Hulk. I really am not interested in... The Hulk did nothing in this either. Yeah, I don't think Mark Ruffalo plays Hulk very well. I don't buy it at any point.

I don't really care about the whole me versus the Hulk conflict that he has going on. transform no I'm like get it over with like I don't care you know nothing it's the only thing that feels inconsistent because some movies he can control the Hulk and some movies he can't and then some movies the Hulk is out and Bruce Banner can't become Bruce Banner it's like what the fuck is even going on with this character yeah that's how I feel it's just annoying now with him but I feel everyone else worked oh I also didn't like what they did with Star Lord star lord star lord does something toward the end that I thought was really stupid well yeah we're not gonna spoil it but

I mean, yeah. Yeah. It's what, it was, that was definitely a moment where I was like, eh, this is a, this has to happen for the script, I guess, you know? That, yeah, that's why it was very. You have to have someone do something fucking stupid or else everything's fine. Yeah, I thought it was, um, kind of frustrating in the right way, almost. Because I, I bought that that character would do that,

because he does something very similar in, in his previous movie. He is kind of a fucking idiot. So if anybody's going to do something stupid, it might as well be. Yeah, yeah, exactly. People try to defend it, and I'm like, yeah, I see where you're coming from. It's just when I was watching that. I feel like if a character would naturally do something, I would be behind it. But I just, I didn't feel it at that point.

That's fair. I've heard other people. I felt like to develop that more to make me buy that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they have developed, without spoiling it, what that is, like, built to for plenty of movies now. And it's like, well, I think. a lot of people would act irrationally in that kind of situation.

I didn't bug me, but... There was something that kind of bugged me that I didn't mention in my review because I forgot to. Yeah. I don't care what kind of camera tricks or visual effects that they do with Peter Dinklage. He still doesn't look big, you know? Oh, I see. The body purport, even if I had never seen him in another movie before,

I think that there's something, you know, that, that goes on in the human brain when it comes to interpreting proportions of like of facial features or head to body ratio, etc. Where I'm always going to look at someone like that and be like, yeah, that's a little person. He doesn't look like a big person. He's a little person. Well, they say in the movie, they say in the movie he's a dwarf. Oh. How does that make sense, though?

Don't worry about it. I mean, I don't fucking know. But they say he's a dwarf. He's just big. Yeah. I mean, I might be wrong. I remember hearing that. He's a giant dwarf?

Yeah, he's a giant dwarf. I did not like anything with that, really. I can deal with that. I thought that was kind of laughable, but I like pretty Dinklish. Oh, yeah, I like him too. Mainly, I think what you said, Adam, about the humor. It didn't work for me. Yeah.

I like the Guardians humor more than you did. And I like everything with Spider-Man, because Spider-Man's always funny. But the rest of it kind of fell flat. I didn't like the music, as usual. And I noticed this time they started taking tracks. They took tracks. from Game of Thrones and just redid them what was called temp tracks where you just like make something that sounds similar Yeah, there were I noticed at least one of those in the movie

Yeah, the last song in the movie is is literally the Stark theme from Game of Thrones If you want to play it like side by side. Yeah There was quite a few moments like that Temp music is an absolute cancer on the industry when it when it comes to music composition and every composer fucking hates it. I will suggest that we link the Marvel Symphonic Universe video by Every Frame of Painting in the description so that people get a good idea of what temp music is and just how cancerous it is. Absolutely. That's a great video about it. There's quite a few complaints that Marvel is fixed up, but not that one. The visual effects and the look of this movie in terms of the colors and everything

was gorgeous. One of the most visually ambitious movies. I've, seen in a while because most of it's CGI even when you don't notice it I was looking at the behind the scenes and like 99% of the movie's CG. You could barely fucking tell at some parts it's a very expensive film

yeah it costs the same amount as Justice League yeah tell how embarrassing is that I kept thinking about Justice League and comparing it in my head and being like wow this is what happens when you do it right and the other one is when you do it wrong

Got it. Well, they were so disorganized with Justice League that they spent $30 million, you know, CGing out Henry Cavill's mustache. That's why, because they had no fucking idea what they were doing. That's why it cost so much. Marvel's like, we know where to put all the money to. How much did it cost? Justice League?

Infinity War? Both of them cost 300 mil. 300 million? Someone told me 400 million for, for Infinity War. Okay. The Finacy is weird because it was shot as two movies. They shot two movies worth of material with like the same budget. So I guess they're just kind of evening out about 300 mil.

Okay. The budget for Tom Cruise's The Mummy was $125 million. Yeah. That looked great. I watched that again the other day. It's pretty good. Why? It's pretty funny.

Okay. I just wanted to torture my friends a little. Uh-huh. I get it. I mean, what were you guys, like, expecting out of the, out of Infinity War? Often, really. I never expect anything from them. Well, we can't. Let me just have fun at the theater. And I did. Okay, let me free phrase that.

What would have to be delivered with it to make you guys like it more than you currently do? Well. Because it's basically fan service the movie. It's the final payoff for all the investment, the 20. nine hours of investment quote unquote final payoff no no no

part one final two I mean still it's still not even after part two it's not the final yeah yeah it's the end of this chapter with all these characters crescendo to the mini series of this

film franchise yeah well I have a feeling at the end of part two it's gonna be a point where if you want to you can say well that was a complete story I can leave this now and feel satisfied. Whereas with all the previous ones, it hasn't quite felt like that. It's always felt building.

And there is a sort of finality to it in my mind. Not quite yet. We're going to have to see you with the next one. Wouldn't it be fucking funny if like the post-credit scene to Avengers Part 2 is just another Thanos but different, you know? Like, ooh, we got to tease this other villain here.

Wait like fucking 10 years while we... dick you around and give you blue balls. It's Stanos again. It's Stano's, but he's orange. A big, a big problem I can foresee them having is you quite literally cannot have stakes higher than this movie. So where do you go from here? Do the same thing but different. Everything seems trivial in comparison because like we just watched the trailer for Ant Man and the Wasp or whatever. And that film's just like, whatever.

It's just I want to see what happens in this world. old, like, not even world universe affecting thing that we've just seen a few months ago when that film will be coming out. And it's like, in comparison, it just feels inconsequential, you know? I didn't even need this Avengers movie to happen for me to feel that way about all the other Marvel movies. You're describing exactly how I felt. Like, I don't care.

It's really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, you know? I mean, I don't feel that way. There's plenty to, like, get attached to in terms of the. characters and how they're growing and changing. Uh-huh. You're just a hater, Adam. You spent half your review complaining about the audience. Right.

You know what? How obnoxious and annoying they are. I spent about, I don't know, probably a third of the review talking about that. It was a short review. Oh, okay. I'm glad you counted it exactly. I could have just not talked about it. And my review would have been like a minute or two shorter.

But I feel like there's nothing wrong with mentioning how Marvel audiences are some of the most obnoxious theater goers and any film experience ever? That's part of the experience for me is going there and everyone claps at everything and laughs at everything. It's like it adds it's like a sitcom. It's like being in a sitcom audience. Maca Marvel audiences

and Star Wars audiences are both pretty fucking cancerous when it comes to movie. See Star Wars is different because I take Star Wars more seriously than I do the Marvel stuff which is silly. So like when Darth Vader comes out you shouldn't be like ooh and clap. Like Darth Vader's fucking intimidating.

You should, yeah. Woo! It's Darth Vader! I'm just trying to imagine, like, the parallel here of, like, some, some, like, art house crowd. They see, like, Juliet Benas on screen. Like, woo! Yeah!

They see it shot on, like, 16mm film. They're like, yes. Cinema! Yeah, if I'm watching, like, killing of a secret deer, I don't want an audience like that. But if it's a dumb or a movie, then sure. Yeah. I mean, I say dumb. But they're fun and they are what they are.

Yeah, I think honestly, they deserve more credit. Yeah, I love to... Listen, for what they are, they're amazing. Because someone else, because people complain about this all the time, like, oh, they're ruining Hollywood by creating cinematic universes and yada, yada, yada, yada. But if someone's going to do it anyway, it might as well be good. And Marvel does it, I think, as good as you could possibly do it. They've owned it.

They've owned it. They've owned it. They've... Yeah. No one can do it as well as them. It's too late. one exactly they they have you seen Tom Krz is the mummy I think that's gonna be oh god dude they have dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde they're gonna have like a vampire

or something yeah they're gonna have Dracula something in that bride of Frankenstein it's gonna be really good I swear wait just wait for the second movie I don't know if you know they all got canceled I know that no none of these none of these people have the material the only ones they have it are Marvel in DC have his time. They're already 20 years behind. Yeah. Well, now they are, yeah.

In terms of the planning. So you can't do it now. It's not interesting. Like, what was it? That King Kong movie, Kong. Kong, Skull Island, that was it. Oh, yeah. At the end of the credits, it was like,

oh, look, we're teasing our cinematic universe. And it's like, fuck off. Like, you've been beaten to the punch. No one cares about this anymore. All we care about is the Marvel one. And it's like, D.C., if they wanted to catch up, all they'd have to do in theory is kind of

copy what they did and not rush in the same way. Get talent as Marvel has done and meticulously plan it out over a long period of time otherwise it's just not satisfying. What you said Alex about them they're already behind so they had to play a game of catch up and do everything in three years

and that's where they fucked up. They thought it would work and didn't it. They thought they could have a piece of the same pie whereas what would have been the smart thing as to do is they have some of the most recognizable and valuable characters of all time. They've got fucking Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. All had to do was make films based around those characters good fucking films that's all

they had to do suicide squad yeah instead we get suicide squad them too oh boy I think if Ant Man was in the movie they would have defeated Thanos easily it's a shame he wasn't in it that's true actually he's pretty handy at that little boy yeah instead he's off on his own adventure can't wait can't wait to see that fun movie yeah can we uh talk a little bit about Spoilery things and then we'll Okay I guess we'll You've all seen it anyway at this point

Well I mean we'll allow them to skip So just put a different time stamp here When we start the point in case they want to skip Why you get so upset? No no no I'm not getting upset It's just like everyone's seen it So it's pointless It's not true

Everyone's seen it twice already We have to understand The variety of human brains on the planet The movie made six $600 million already. It's been one weekend. I know, Jesus Christ. So, I think it was.

Spoilers. Thanos activates his power glove and kills 50% of the people in the universe. I'm guessing this applies to animals and everything too. Yep. It's kind of the biggest worry for me, that whole aspect of it.

Oh, yeah. Because for any universe to have any consequence of any kind, death needs to mean something. And the problem is, if they bring back, especially in my opinion, Loki, Gomorrah, or Vision, then why should I ever care

about anyone dying or getting in danger? I feel the same exact way. I'll be laughing my ass off if they bring back Loki. I'll be so happy. It'll be really funny for me. I'm fine with the death. boys coming back because obviously they're coming back they're not gonna fucking kill Black Panther yeah that film did so well financially and the same as Spider-Man

what's your guys theory on what they're gonna do to undo it though well that fucking dr. Strange was like hey you've got to trust me I gave him the crystal because this is the only way we can win and he can see the future so it's like okay well clearly there's some sort of fucking work around where this had to have happened for everything to make sense, I guess, whereas not giving him the crystal that he was hiding wouldn't have worked out, I guess. Mm-hmm.

You know, so clearly everybody has to come back because he saw the future, I guess. He specifically saved Tony Stark, though, didn't he? So it's probable Tony Stark has to, I don't know, sacrifice himself in some forms. I'm guessing Tony Stark is the important person in it. And Dr. Strange is like, I can't let him die, so let Thanos just fucking take it.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Let Thanos just take the gems and we'll figure it out later. What do you think about? Because if you notice every character that's left that isn't dust or leaves or whatever, is they were all kind of the original Avengers cast. Which I loved. I like that as well because it means the next one is going to be like a proper double triple fan service moment.

Yeah. Bring them all back to the... Well, hopefully it's the conclusion to those characters, hopefully, before they kind of pass the torch on their final swan song. So hopefully, I don't know, they do something satisfying with that. It's just if they bring Gamora back, it just means like, well, what was even the fucking point then? It's like it's the fear of these event stories. If everything's building to an event, then the events kind of mean nothing if they don't have any greater impact on the rest of the universe.

but then that also creates huge creative restrictions on the writers and directors because they can't do what they want with the characters. They've got to be like, no, we need this character to be alive for the next event movie because we need them to bring in the butts to seats kind of thing. I never got the sense that they're going to bring Gamora or the Vision back at all. Really? What about that vision at the end where he's like talking to movie Camero? No, I don't think so. And listen, I love Vision and Loki and Gomorra.

but they're not such major characters that they make me go like oh well they have to bring it back like if they killed off spider man the same way that's the thing go okay but like gamora most people really don't care one way or the other about gamora i i like her same thing with loki same thing with um the vision you know i just think for the story it's it's necessary for her to remain dead yeah i i think so too it's kind of what the whole film is built around it's the like emotional core of the the villain the villain the villain's whole plight. It's like such an important moment to him and if that's entirely

undercut, then it makes the entire film worthless on any emotional level. That's the green girl, right? Yeah, that's the green girl. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a good movie. That'd be funny if she got brought back actually. Were you surprised Ralph?

By everyone dying? Just by like, personally I knew, I was I predicted to my friend that Loki was going get choked to death in the first scene and I was right not the first scene I wasn't expecting and I definitely wasn't expecting Gomorrah which I was like holy shit gomorra was the main monty how they did it but um I saw this whole universe is though I love the corny shit about it that's why I kind of like it but I don't know I just I just thought it was everything

it needed to be yeah it felt that way too while being surprising too which is just like we've seen so many of these fucking films then this they're still managing to spin it in such a way It's like, I thought the whole villain aspect with Thanos was like, I haven't seen a villain in a movie like this where I was actually like kind of tense and fearful of what you could do. Because he's established immediately. It was like it doesn't open like a normal Marvel movie. It's somber. The music is like kind of droning and low. Yeah.

It's immediately dark. It completely skips over all the destruction. And it's like just going through this like battlefield that is of a battle. to what's already happened, it's all implied. And then you set up with this character who we're not quite sure of what he's capable of. And then he kicks the shit out of Hulk instantly. And it's like, shit, okay? So we know how powerful he is.

And then throughout the movie, they just take the time developing him. And with each stony gets, he uses it in a creative way to, like, show how much stronger he's getting. And by the end of it, you really know him. Yeah. That's the thing. He was unstoppable and he was just mean. and he was a crazy person and I thought it was fascinating there

and he was fascinating on top of it you totally understood everything he wanted to do when you completely understand the motivations I kept comparing into Step and Wolf or even or even Ultron where it's like you have Ultron and he's a jokey sarcastic dickhead like everyone else has to be

because Tony Stark made him and it's like fucking stop with this I want a villain who I hate Yeah exactly So you're saying you completely understand Why he wants to destroy half of the beings of the planet. No, you understand his motivations from his reason you're doing it.

You understand that he wants to do it, I guess. Yes, yes, that he wants to do it and why he wants to do it. I can't for the life of me understand why he wants to do it. It's his logic. He's like, there's too many people. There's people in the real world who have this logic too. There's too many people and we need to kill a lot of them so that there's more resources for the rest of us. And he could easily go, he can snap his fingers and make more resources.

Sure. It's Marvel. Don't worry about it. I don't overthink these things. He could make more resources. I don't understand why he wants to kill everybody. It's a plot hole. I'm like, yeah, whatever.

This thing's like that. That's why I don't give these movies five out of five because there's stuff like that. You're like, yeah, but then you don't, then the movie doesn't work. I still don't really understand what these gems can do. They kind of skip over it a little bit. One of them's for space. Can they do things like cure the universe?

One of them's for reality. One of them's for time. What are the other ones? there's those three. And I was thinking like, can't you destroy the universe just three of them or four of them? What if you just have the reality one? Can't you just get rid of reality? Glutney. I bet that'll fuck everything.

Glutney? No, I think those are the seven deadly sins Adam. No, there's the seven deadly stones. The seven deadly stones. And I don't know for the life of me why these stones exist or who made them. Whatever. Yeah, I'm sure. I can't explain that bit. We just don't explain what they can do. Yeah.

particularly. It doesn't bother me at all. Yeah, it doesn't bother me either. I think it's fun. I like how Vision died twice. Yeah. Oh, that was sick. That I couldn't fuck it.

That was the most brutal part of the movie where there's this whole sacrifice scene and then Thanos is like, nah, fuck you, and brings it back to life and then kills him again. Yeah. That was horrific. That was really, yeah,

that was pretty fucking tragic, I got to say. If I was a kid, I'd be mortified watching that. Yeah. I just think it was effective for exactly what I was trying to do it just achieved it. I don't know what more or less you could want.

I was actually very pleasantly surprised with the film overall. Even more pleasantly surprised that the end credit scene wasn't just a, we're going to bring a happy mood to it after all of that. I was totally expecting at the end credits like they're going to, you know, things are going to be fine and they're going to have some stupid joke. But it wasn't. And then I was even happier after that fact because I realized that for the next year all of these children and to some extent,

and children are going to be very upset and blue-balled for an entire year. And that's just very amusing to me. Why do you hate the audience for these movies? I just, I think it's funny that people take it so seriously. That's my thing. I agree with you. Because I'm able to just watch and enjoy it as like a popcorn thing. You know, people love stupid escapeism like this.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I see it as like I love movies, right? And then there's some people who don't see as many movies as us. And they go to the theater just for Avengers movies or whatever. And they're very passionate about these movies they see. Because they're, you know, how we feel about, I don't know, some fucking artsy fartsy movies. But I've tried to envision that kind of parallel, too.

And I can't think of any single thing that I take that seriously, you know. Like I've built my whole life around movies and directors and artists that I love. But I can't think of any single thing where I would be like upset for an entire. year you know anyone genuinely upset there is it just like no no no wait for the next one I wasn't upset because I know they're gonna come back yeah but like I've had media like that affect me for like I don't know like the day after Game of Thrones there's a big thing that happens in Game of Thrones that's very sad and I was I was pretty upset for like two days or so so I wouldn't I was also 16 so maybe if I saw that now who gives a shit

but yeah I think I think media could totally do that to you if you're that invested in it yeah it's people get an emotional investment into things they enjoy so yeah I wish I could get that emotionally invested rip I can't get that emotionally invested in Marvel movies but that's why I prefer the more fun ones to this like I like the first Avengers better because it's just a comedy but I do like this for what it is again yeah I just think the the what they call the Russo brothers mm-hmm they just know exactly what they're doing. They're just like the perfect people for the job. I think it's cool that they came from his little TV shows comedies. They've just built their way up to doing the most

successful film like of all time potentially. I think it's cool. They put little touches in there that like I thought it was effective when the spaceship thing comes down first and they don't cut to like a wide shot of the city of it like warping in with like a Transformers movie. It's all from the perspective of I can't remember Ironman or Doctor Strange and you don't see it until they see it just little details like that that really kind of engrossed you into the moment

No I like that there was like that tracking shot of Iron Man as he was going down the street and it's all one take Yeah yeah yeah people falling down Yeah that was really effective There's stuff like that I really liked There's a lot of things I really like And then half of the time they're ruined by some shitty joke Like are you intentionally moving your hair right now

I'm like well That's not funny And also, you'd be able to feel the wind too, Iron Man. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I have some problems with it, but, I mean, just overall, I think the package was pretty solid. Because I don't really find these movies very funny. But something about the humor just doesn't bug me. It might just bug you because I don't know if your audiences are just more annoying in terms of, like, they're just scream-laughing at the tiniest joke.

I don't even think it's that. It's like... I think it's a little bit of that. The way these scenes are structured is very similar, all the joking scenes where it starts and then a character comes in and there's a joke and there's a reaction and then they stop and talking about the plot for five seconds. Like everything's kind of structured the same and I get annoyed with it just at how all these scenes kind of play out the same when it's a jokey kind of comedic scene. It's like, ah, all right. And like when you watch all these Marvel movies like I have, you start to notice it. yeah i started noticing that when i saw guardians too

where it's like you can kind of figure out the the way the humor is embedded into the overall story exactly it becomes predictable and then it's not funny anymore hence you know the complaints but besides that i do think it's good yeah what did you give it out of ten you gave it a six uh rilf yeah like a three out of five which is like a six I find it really difficult with this movie

Yeah Yeah because like I don't know what else Could even be for what it is You know like do you I haven't decided if I want to Rate things more on a Comparative scale

Like you kind of Try to objectively assess The kind of filmmaking Aspect of it first and foremost Whereas I prefer to kind of look at it what I perceive the intent and like context of the film to be and I think for its intent it's just exactly what it needs to be so I don't know I'd probably give it like an eight or a nine on that on on on those lines yeah yeah yeah I can't argue with you

listen it's it's like a groundbreaking piece of filmmaking there's I can't even think of anything else like this yeah there enough there probably isn't so Adam doesn't like it when I say that but yeah dude Dude, it's the truth. What other movie can you name, where you take 40 characters from other movies and try to make it work, and it does. Well, here's the thing, though.

It's like, there wasn't really 40 main characters. There were characters that were just kind of forgotten about for most of the movie, and that's how it worked, right? So they didn't really incorporate 40 main stories. Because you knew who they were. Well, no, that's fine, but it's like they might as well not be main characters to the context of this film, right? It's only if you watch the other films that you consider the main characters, right?

So there have been other movies before that have had, you know, 10 or less main characters to follow that had important things going on that have been long and entertaining before. I mean, you know, I wouldn't consider it to be like a... The balance is so perfect. The balance is so perfect. I was kind of amazed at how they did it. It was well-paced because the movie had to move along, right? Yeah. The pacing was like...

Super. I enjoyed the pacing, for sure. I just, it didn't really... If they did that with like 40 actual main stories going on, then I would be really impressed, but they didn't. They just kind of considered some stories to be the main story and then brushed most of the other characters off to the side.

I guess so. It's not Magnolia, but... It's an achievement, I'll say. Do you guys fear the impact it might have in terms of... We've already seen... DC try to copy this level of success? Do you think there's going to be like an impact with like now

these big blockbusters ending on cliffhangers or something like that? That's why, because I know when Marvel did it, see they planned all this out and they knew this movie was going to end like this. Yeah, and I don't I don't see it as like a pretentious or not a pretentious, oh like a cash

grab studio decision to end the movie like this. I totally see it as an organic story thing. Yes, other studios do it. Other studios will do it and go like, oh, we just kill everyone off at the end of the movie, and we'll fucking, they'll go see the next one. And it's like, no, that's not how it works. When you have, like, two movies scheduled and you made it very clear that it's not the end of the story that you're watching, like, I get, I get that they didn't, you know, literally call it part one in the title because that wouldn't sell as many tickets. But, I mean, it's been clear to anybody paying attention that this is part one of two in the same way that you can end the Matrix reloaded like that, you know.

So I don't, I mean, if another studio tries to copy this, I should hope that they would at least, you know, be honest with the audience beforehand and saying that it's a part one out of two. It would be particularly hilarious if they wound up doing something like pretending it's one movie and then pulling that kind of an end. Oh, yeah. They're totally going to trick people. I don't know what you think Hollywood is, but they'll totally trick people to get more tickets like that. That'd be hilarious to me. Justice League Endless

kerfuffle And then they'll end it The same way That'd be really funny to me If Justice League did the exact same thing Oh they'll try I still haven't seen anything But suicide squad

From the DCU You're not missing out on anything Nothing God What a disaster Did I make the right choice Did I buy tickets to the right movie? Well it depends

If you find like Ready Player 1 funny you'll find something like Justice League. I think I will thoroughly enjoy myself watching like Batman v. Superman. I just haven't made the commitment yet. No, no, not Batman. That movie's boring. I think you'll enjoy Justice League because it's so fucking bad. The studio forced them to be short.

It's short and it's a mess and it costs $3 to million dollars and it doesn't look like it at all. It looks so cheap. You've sold me. It's amazing. Yeah. If you're interested. Yeah, I am. I'll definitely watch it.

I should probably do that for like a commentary track or something. Just get my live reaction. Yeah. Yeah. I know what? That'd be a good idea. It would just be a genuine laughing. It would just be a genuine experience.

Speaking of genuine experiences, Ralph had a movie that we were going to talk about. Yes. He recommended it the last podcast episode. And I'm assuming we're all done talking about Avengers. If anybody wants to join in on this discussion, you're about to be spoiled for the film Barry Lyndon. So go watch it if you haven't already. And we will be recommending a movie at the end of this podcast

that you should watch in preparation for next episode. Tell us about this film, Ralph. So Barry Lyndon is from 1975. It's a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick, my favorite director. Woo! Focuses on a... Hell yeah, baby.

Woo! It focuses on a man in the 18th century, Redmond Barry, and we just follow his life from a young soldier to a man of stature and respect.

And yeah, it's just the story of his life and that's it. That's all it is. It's one of my favorite movies. So, do we want to talk about Kubrick a bit? Sure. Because he's a very...

There's a lot to talk about with him. He faked the moon landing. He exposed the Illuminati and they killed him for it There's a lot of stuff like that to talk about He destroyed the brain of Shelley Duvall Oh yeah, that too I'm making a full metal jacket video right now And I wanted to go back to all the clips of him

Torturing Shelley Duvall on set And they're really funny If he did that in current year he would have a me too Oh yeah totally but like back then no one gave a shit And Charlie DeValle's pulling out her hair from stress And Stanley Kubrick takes like a strand of her hair and goes Oh yeah, you're stressed? Okay Get back on set, Shelly

Yeah, man He was notoriously difficult, wasn't he? Yeah, he was very difficult But he did it for a reason I mean, he wanted to get people in that mindset Yeah, he didn't in every Well, in movies where it fit Like full metal jacket, he did it too

There are some directors He wanted his perfect movie That thrived in certain points in time because it was acceptable to torture actors, basically. Yeah. But I feel like it's okay to torture actors, because actors want to be part of something amazing, too. It has to be consensual.

It requires the director being like that. Well, then, I don't know. And it's not like anyone looks back on their experience with Kubrick and like, oh, yeah, it was terrible. They go, yeah, it was terrible, but I made a masterpiece, and I made a masterpiece. So I don't care. No, no, no, no.

I hear you, and I value art, obviously. an incredible amount and I wouldn't trade the final product of those films for I guess the actor's sanity but I still think that there should I mean

you shouldn't you shouldn't go past someone's own consent in the issue going past their comfort is one thing you know there were tons of actors and people on set for the Revenant that made

tons of bitchy complaints about how like oh, you should have just green screened it. I didn't want to be in the cold, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, no, you sign on to this project. You're consenting to this project. Do your fucking job. We're going to do it this way. You're going to be uncomfortable.

But, you know, it's going to show in the performances, you know. But you should still be able to sign on to that discomfort. If you want to participate in method acting to make yourself being more miserable over the course of a film, you should still consent to that. It shouldn't be somebody fucking with you the entire time, you know? Sure. I guess that's fair. I guess as long as they know it getting into.

Yeah, but Kubrick's reputation is that they know Kubrick does 60 takes of everything. So they should be prepared. Yeah. Do we all like Kubrick? I love Kubrick. Yes, okay. Yeah. Oh, good.

Probably one of the most influential filmmakers all time. Of course. Totally. The way he's managed to attack so many different genres and kind of perfect to them almost and make the most influential memorable. or memorable like film of that kind whether it be the shining for horror

or 2001 for science fiction yeah it's kind of incredible because like other directors devote their whole career to doing one genre like I really Scott doing sci-fi or uh

or Wes Anderson as you were saying the other week Wes Anderson yeah doing his own thing and then Wes not what was it West Craven doing horror yeah and then Cooper Coober

comes in and just makes one movie in that genre, it's like one of the best ones. He's like a camellian. Sometimes it's the best one. Yeah, he's a chameleon. And just goes to show, like, if you know what you're doing, you can do anything. Yeah. So I'm the guy who says, I think Kubrick's the only guy who makes movies and everyone else is like an imitation of him. That's how good I think he is.

Of course, that's an exaggeration. But like, I really do think every single one of his movies is almost perfect if not perfect. Hmm. Yeah, boy. Hmm. Where to even begin with a film? like this. It's quite expansive, be it running time and also detail.

It's three hours long, but so much happens that I don't mind the runtime. I actually think the pacing is pretty brisk, considering you go from a guy's entire life. Yeah. Yeah. There's characters that just show up and leave, but you feel like you still know everything about the character that there is to know.

Like, they're so well-defined that you've known them forever. They're so memorable. That guy he knew, who he played cards with for that period of his life. That was such a great character and then he disappears and you never know what happened to him, but you love him.

Yeah. Even that character that he winds up meeting and he's like, I'm your best friend and then we see him die on the battlefield. We still feel the emotional weight even though we didn't really see too much

as to how their friendship developed. We were kind of just told this is how it is. And in any other movie you would almost think that that would just be a terrible idea to say something

rather than show it, but because of how every scene with them was performed and how they interacted, it was still so believable. And the pacing was consistent throughout the entire movie in terms of like, here's a character, here's what they meant to the main character, and here's what happens to them sort of thing. It never felt inorganic.

It always felt very genuine. Yeah, it was crazy. It's an amazing feat to pull off. And there's a lot of themes going on in this movie, too. It's another movie about fatherhood, which is like, this is the fifth movie we've talked about that has themes of father. where he's missing his father and then he keeps finding new father figures in his life.

There's like destiny, but I think it's mostly a movie about reputation and how like when you're dead you try to leave something behind of yourself and try to make your life mean something. And then it's just your life kind of fizzles out and everything you love kind of dies and then you die and that's it. So it's a pretty dark fucking message, but it's still. manages to be entertaining and funny. It's just packed full of so many great scenes. You think of one, you think, yeah, that's my favorite scene.

Oh, wait, hang on, there was that other scene with the ribbon in the tits, or hang on, no, what about the other scene where he's, like, held up with the horses? And it's like, God, there's just so much going on in this film. And it does feel, it feels its length and it doesn't in terms of, like, so much happens. It is like watching someone's entire life, but it, You're right, the pacing is perfect for it. It doesn't drag as much as it is just long. It's just this meaty story of this guy.

Exactly. It's just a big meal. And when you're done with it, you're exhausted. Yeah. Man, that was that was nurturing. It was absolutely worth it, yeah. And I'm going to be thinking about that for a while, yeah. Yeah.

There's a lot of homerotic undertones in it that are played off for comedy. Did you guys notice that? It's like he's making fun of how gay the culture was. the gay guys. Yeah. That, just there were the guys kissing in the pool when Barry stole their jacket.

He kissed his father figure on the lips when he died. I think he was just making fun of how like artificial and mannered their whole society was. Yeah. And like, like even when they fought,

they would like gather in a circle and it was very mannered and polite. It was just hilarious to me. All the rich men wear a lipstick. Yeah. And makeup. It didn't sacrifice. its integrity for humor though.

It still seemed meticulous and accurate to the time period though. It wasn't like a Marvel movie where it grinds to the hole where it's like now time for a joke. It's just like these characters interacting is funny. They're not telling jokes. It's just funny. Yeah, it's not interrupt the plot for some jokes, which seemed to happen a lot in Avengers. It's very subtle.

Something that could totally throw this movie off track is the narration. But it doesn't. That doesn't. We have like this nameless narrator who's reading us facts about Barry's life and that's all he does and that could easily just make us go like oh, so you're just explaining the plot. But it's almost like since this is a period piece, it's like this is all we know about Barry Lyndon from I guess I know it's not a real person. It's based on a book that's kind of based on a real person. Yeah. So it's kind of pretending like this is all we know about Barry Lyndon is his actions. And again, it fits into that theme of reputation. where it's like this is all that's left of the history of this man. And that just makes it so much more tragic to me. It's like an impression of a human being we're seeing. It's not even a human being. It's like a painting.

Again, going back to another thing Kubrick did where he made every shot in this movie looked like a painting. Oh, yeah. The way people were posed too, like even just sitting down when his steps on, What's his name? Bullitt, Bullitt. Bullitt. Oh, God, what's his name?

Lord Bullington. Bullington. Bullington. Yes. Bowlington. That's it. When he wakes him up on the chair, whatever, and all those other guys are like sleeping on their own chairs and they're all like perfectly posed.

And it does genuinely look like a painting. It looks like they're just plucked out of a painting. There's so many amazing shots in this. I think this is like the most gorgeous movie ever made. It's also all natural light. Oh, yeah. I believe this is one of the first movies to do that. You got NASA lenses because it was so dark certain some of these scenes yeah well the scenes inside with the candlelight

Yeah, yeah, they're all lit with candlelight and he had to get lenses from NASA because when they do the toast inside like all the lighting's just coming from the windows and sometimes the candles It's insane you never see that kind of thing from 1975 Especially like holy crap Sooms. Oh yeah In this movie are all perfectly balanced where like he would zoom out and then something would come into the the frame on the left just to balance out the image a bit. I can't believe how good he is at making movies. It's insane.

Yeah, I love the shot where it's kind of like panning, and then through this small hole in the trees, it zooms in and shows him kissing the maid. Oh, yeah. That's a great shot. It's like that. When he's like on the boat with his dog and his son fishing, and they zoom out, and then there's like a swan to the top left,

It's like how the fuck he had to get a swan and just put it there? Like, who thinks of this shit? It's amazing. There's so many perfect shots in this movie. And even something as simple as like when the little boys playing croquette or croquet or whatever, and the dog's like rolling around. And by the time the shots zoomed out, the dog stopped. I'm just thinking, like, did you get the dog to roll around every time?

Or was this just one of those like, you know, you film enough and eventually something cool happens or something? Like, there's so much of it that's just like too perfect that you start to question how much of a movie it is almost. Yeah, it's, um, the thing is too, Kubrick always made models before he shot and he used like cardboard cutouts just to get the lighting right, which is why everything looks so perfect. Because he planned everything out beforehand. That's what I was about to ask about. Because it seems, it comes across as meticulous, like in every aspect. And it's like how much planning was put into this? I mean, that's why.

Because he plans out very thoroughly. I have a book on him. And so that's how I know all this. There's a shot in this movie where I think he's holding a handkerchief and he's arching his arm in a certain way, Barry Lyndon is. And then right behind him is a tree. And the tree is arched the exact same way as his arm. And I'm like, how did you even fucking find that tree to get that shot? Stuff like that is amazing to me.

I would love to have seen the location scouting for this film. Yeah. Because all of the expository shots especially are just really beautiful. Seeing as a lot of it is set in England. It was very reminiscent of things I've seen. At first I was like, hang on a minute, Ralph, I thought he said this was a period piece. This is what it looks like in England. Yeah, really?

Everyone's quite too extreme. They're like roads now and stuff and we have vehicles. Yeah, there's a lot of, I live in an area that's kind of got visuals like this. So it was nice to see, including with all the kind of ancient castles and that kind of shit. The castles were amazing and gorgeous. What is impressive, though, is it didn't just look like a castle that has been there for hundreds of years. It looked like, yep, that's where these people live. That's being used currently.

You never for a second question that it was a set. It just seemed very real and genuine. There's so much to talk about, which is why we're all just like, uh, uh, uh, because we're just baffled by like how much there is in it. People see Kubrick as a guy who's very like cold and distant with his movies. They're all very like artificial feeling and like I said, cold and distant. But this is, I think it's Kubrick's most intimate and personal movie. And again, it has that same distance to it in a way with the narration and with the fact that it's a, you know,

a story told to us from an omniscient narrator. But I still totally was emotionally on board for everything. And I think this is one of the saddest movies I've ever seen. When his son dies, I cried the first time I saw it. Yeah, his performance is very good. Yeah. Yeah, everyone's performance is really good, especially the kid who could easily suck, but he was pretty good. Yeah.

And yeah, just the music and the cut he made when Barry starts crying and then we cut to the coffin and it slowly is going out. Yeah, the music. Like at the peak of the score exactly when the shot happens. His use of music too is great Because he doesn't He gets obviously classical music That's been composed already But it makes all of his movies feel timeless

Where you could just watch him at any point in the future And it would just feel right You know And he would repeat certain themes in the movie a lot Like that same song he repeats During all the dual scenes A million times that song is in that movie Yeah

It's a great song it to oh it is but he uses it to again highlight the repetition in berry's life and how certain things just kind of happen and are doomed to happen over and over yeah so i love that too it's like poetry yeah i like how they kind of changed up the score by reprising it with those i think they're called like timpony drums or something just during some of the dueling scenes it was like bum bum bum bum you know doing the exact same thing yeah yeah with different instrumentation, I guess, using different instruments. This actually won an Oscar for the music.

Best music. How does that work if it's already been? Exactly. This is what I'm trying to figure out because I'm looking at it right. No, it is right. I'm looking at it right now. Because they actually used to have different categories for music. The category that this was for was Best Music, Scoring, Original Score, and or adaptation.

so the adaptations were once acceptable, it seems, in the Oscars, whereas the category for Best Music Original Dramatic score actually went to Jaws for the same year. So it seems as though they used to accept adapted scores, which makes me a little upset that they still don't because I really think that Clint Mansell totally deserved it for Black Swan, but he was ineligible for that because it was based off of previous... Yeah, previous music.

But the thing is, all of the... music is adapted from classical music. Like, Star Wars is literally the planets from Holtz. I think that's the guy who comes. They're all inspired. What you want. Yeah, inspired is different than adapted, though. That's what I was

going to get at. I mean, when you look at Star Wars, it's very similar. But I love Star Wars. That's the thing. I love the score. So it doesn't take away from my enjoyment of it. Going back to the detachment thing, where you said it can feel kind of cold in some of the movies, especially

like 2001 or something like that. But it really works to make a kind of genuine and honest impression of how humans just are when they're not being watched or not playing up to a camera. Because this guy, he's kind of a massive scumbag. He is. In ways, yeah, for sure. He's lying. He's cheating.

He's like pompous. He's kind of a massive asshole. And that makes it all the more kind of truthful and engaging. I think that a lot of people probably were in that time period especially. Yeah. I mean, it's something that you could get away with more easily, that's for sure. It was more socially acceptable to consider your wife as like property and blow smoke in her face and be like, ha, suck it, bitch.

You know, like, that was just a part of the time in some aspects. And perhaps maybe this is just our biased interpretation of those times, but, you know, it still seems genuine in some sense. Oh, yeah. But even by those standards, he beat his fucking son in front of an entire room of people. So there is a point where you go, but there are likable things about him, too. Yeah, he's not, he just seems real. He just seems like a real flawed person.

Yeah. Who likes to lie a lot. He didn't exist just to be an asshole. Like, he was still a character. He grew. Yeah. I mean, you see him grow, like, compare that first stool scene where he's like, that ambitious young man, you know, I want to save my love. to the last scene where his son basically takes on that position,

trying to protect his mother. And Barry actually shows some restraint and is, like, mature and decides not to shoot his son, even if he easily could. Like, that just shows how much of a... He's grown as a character. You know, he's not entirely unlikable. He does have transformations like that, and he does learn things.

He just ends up paying for whenever he does something good, because after that, he lost his fucking leg. It is a very important scene to the movie, and I love how the duels are reincorporated in that sense. I love how the very first shot of the movie is a duel, and it plays into, I think they explained at the beginning that his father died in a duel, and that was what they were showing. Yeah, that is it. So I love how it's kind of like this sense of inescapable fate, almost, that the movie is imposing onto the characters in this world. It's poetic. I think that...

poetry so that that last duel is probably my favorite scene in the movie oh yeah directed by john woo yeah yeah oh yeah with all the fucking birds even that it's just like they'd shoot and then you hear the flapping of the wings like every element even the sound design like in those elements i think yeah i was reading the trivia and i think it was something like it took them 40 days just to edit that one scene alone or something like that. Yeah. That's the kind of meticulous level we're on with it. He's a nut job, but I mean, you gotta be a little nuts to make movies like this. Movies this perfect. Are there any complaints with it?

Because beside the fact that Barry kind of looks the same age, the whole movie, which I can yeah, I noticed at the beginning it was like, because they kept calling him like, but a boy. And it was like... Yeah, but he looks like he's sturdy. Yeah, I mean, again, it ties into the theme where I can forgive it because it's, it's, again, it's that impression of a human being thing where basically there's probably one portrait of Barry Lyndon and this is what it looks like and so this is the one image of Barry Lyndon we have so it's just one character he looks the same his whole life I get it and I can frift

yeah I bought it I didn't bother me at all I'm just saying that's the only thing I could say is wrong with it you know they changed up the hairstyle sometimes to make certain characters look younger or older you know Bullington looked older in the last parts of the movie just because of how his hair was. I'm not sure what they did makeup-wise, or if they did much at all, or maybe it was just really subtle. But I never found myself getting distracted

of like, oh, yeah, he's not old enough or he's too old sort of thing. I usually find it more distracting if they add old-age makeup to actors, so I'm glad they didn't go that route. Depending on the movie. It was very subtle. Yeah, depending on the movie.

Synecicki in New York, it worked very well. Oh, yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's masterclass makeup. Oh yeah that's great makeup. No Oscars though Suicide Squad got makeup It's the movie that keeps coming back It's always gonna be relevant Yeah it's timeless

It's like poetry Yeah it's like poetry Oh George I guess the only thing I'm like desperately trying to think of anything You could even Cool and negative but for some people I do think the three-hour running time

in and of itself will be a put-off. Fuck them! It's a daunting task, for sure. It sounds like the most boring thing in the world on paper, a period piece that is three hours long. It is the least boring period piece movie I've ever seen, that's for sure. That's the thing. To anyone out there who's like trepidacious

about just those facts by themselves, at least give it a chance, because I found that as it went along, the more brilliant it became. With each scene, you just get more and more invested and you gradually kind of figure out what the film is building towards and doing. And they do this really cool thing where they're,

you think a scene is happening for a certain reason, but then it's revealed that that's actually not the case at all, like it being, the girl at the beginning being his cousin or the duel was like set up. And it's like you have no reason to expect these things. still goes down these twists and turns that constantly keep it engaging. Yeah. I mean, it is a good period piece, but it goes beyond that.

And it's just a great movie about life and reputation and destiny and all those other things that he just happens to explore in this time period. I guess because it fit that style he wanted to go for where it looked like a painting. So there's a lot of reasons for it. Yeah. It's just a brilliant movie. Even the way he would subvert expectations, Bylee, just the time period it was set in, Were that robbery scene in any other movie would be lame?

Like, get on the floor or whatever. But they just come in and like, excuse me, sir, I'm afraid I'm going to have to take your horse. And it's just fucking hilarious because the robbers are so polite about it. Yeah, you can put your arms down now. I'm sorry, but in this line of work, we must be able to travel faster than our clients. Exactly. That shit's hilarious.

It was awesome. Yeah, that was a great scene. Is that still what it's like there, Alex? Yeah, yeah, I was actually mugged the other week and it was pretty much picture. scene for scene exactly like that. They took your horse? Yeah, they did. It was called Barry, actually, my horse.

I really like how tall a lot of the forest kind of scenes were. The characters are like walking down the path. And it gives you a lot of room above their heads to see this like beautiful painting of trees essentially. I really like that. Everything was very well acted. The lady Lyndon did an amazing job. She kind of reminded me a bit of Shelley DuVille.

at points near the end of the film. I don't know if she just looks similar in her face when she cries or something. Maybe that's something Stanley Kubrick has a good eye for. I want a woman who can cry. I want a woman who looks miserable. I'm guessing because he probably tortured her.

Yeah, probably tortured her too. The guy who played Bullington was really good too. Everybody was great. But that could have been a really one-dimensional unlikable character, and he managed to, like, you get where he's coming from. Because Barry's a dickhead. And, like, if you were at Burlington, you do the same thing.

Yeah, you're with that kid. Yeah. Yeah. But then at the end, Duel scene, you see that he's still a kid and he looks like horrified when he takes that pistol. So there's a lot of subtle stuff like that that I thought was great. Yeah, it's awesome. It's an amazing, fantastic movie, best movie I've seen in a long time in terms of new movies I've seen, I guess. It's not a new movie, but movies that I've seen for the first time.

Yeah. Easily best I've seen in a long, long while. And I love Kubrick. I'm excited to check out even more of his films. I haven't seen The Killing yet. I really love passive glory. That's a really good one. Yeah, this might be my favorite Kubrick movie.

It's about to Roche. It's up there. It's up there. Jacket. Yeah, like, it's a tie between those three. It's basically what mood I'm in. Yeah, Clockwork Orange is amazing. I would have to say I like Clockwork Orange and the Shining in 2001.

better than full metal jacket. As much as I love full metal jacket, I think that's a little tiny bit down from the other ones for me. Okay, I get it. It's an acquired taste thing. It's a lot going on. I don't know.

Okay. Whatever you want to call it. It's an acquired taste thing. The Shining's one of the weaker ones, I think, for me. And it's still amazing. Yeah. You know, it's only a 9 out of 10 instead of a 10 out of 10. Oh, you know, it's really funny.

That's the level you speak out. I forgot to mention this, but I guess it's kind of relevant still. After I watched Ready Player 1, the first thing I did was I watched Stephen King's The Shining. Because I realized I hadn't seen it. And so I watched the fucking three-hour miniseries and it was so bad. I laughed at it with my friend. It's not Kubrick. Oh, man.

It's so funny. I've heard of it. I'd never had any interest. Well, because the Kubrick shining is nothing like the book. There's even a point in the Shining where there's a car on the side of the road that got like in a car crash and it's the car from the book that they drove and that was Kubrick's way of saying fuck you to Stephen King and I didn't care about his stupid book basically. That's why I put that in there which I think is brilliant. So then in the 1990s Stephen King is like well finally I'm going to get somebody to make the movie exactly like the book and so it was a mini series because it's like three hours long or whatever. the three hour-long episodes. And it's exactly what you would imagine out of like a cheesy 90s

shitty horror miniseries. You know, it's exactly what you would imagine of just like boring, dull shitty effects, terrible acting. Oh my God. It is a disaster. All of Stephen King's mini-series stuff is just bad.

And it's funny that he's like, this is the good one. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay, Stephen. Mm-hmm. Maybe stick to just writing books. So what would we rate Barry Lyndon?

I think it's about as perfect as a film can get, so I would give it top marks. It gets more interesting, the more you think about it, there isn't anything I didn't like. And you can just tell that everything has been thought out and planned to the point where you're just watching this guy's vision perfectly unfold,

and it's incredibly interesting and very thought-provoking. Yeah, five out of five for me. Perfect movie. Ten out of ten. I saw it twice. Oh, you saw it twice. Really? Yeah, I did.

You said six hours on Barry Lyndon. It's a good investment. Enjoyed it. That's like half a day. Half a day, you know, being awake and active. You spend sitting. I didn't watch it twice in a row. I watched it like a week later.

We had more time between episodes. Yeah, there was a chunk between this. Why not? Why not just sit down and watch it twice in a row? I've heard of people doing that with movies before. I've never done that. Yeah, I wish they made movies like this where you could just sit in a theater for three hours and just absorb yourself in it. With an intermission.

Oh, yeah, I did have one, didn't it? That's the thing. You can take a break in the middle of the movie. Like, it's actually better because chapter one is mostly lighthearted and then chapter two is really dark. Yeah. It's just perfect. I wouldn't say it's better, but I prefer watching it as a whole thing. It still works.

Yeah, it doesn't like ruin it. Yeah. Because again, when you say three hour long period piece, it's like daunting. But if you watch it an hour and a half chunks, it's fine. It's like an episode of TV. Yeah. My roommate actually did that. He had to go to bed when the intermission happened the first time I watched it.

And then the second time I watched it, I'm like, we're at the intermission again. And then he finished it. Oh, there you go. Perfect. All right. It's a perfect movie. 10 out of 10. Perfect ratings from all of us.

The Sardonicast first. Thanks, Kubrick. Daddy Kubrick. I think we had somebody who's been making these, like, polls on our subreddit of, like, favorite movies and directors. I think Stanley Kubrick got number one on both the Sardonicast subreddit and my subreddit. I think he at least got number one on mine. I'm pretty sure he did on the Sardonicast as well. I checked that.

I think it was Kubrick. Yeah. Yeah. Not a bad choice. Not a bad choice at all. Yeah. It's a very good choice. I dare say the only correct choice.

Mine personally would be Josh Trank. I thought you were going to give a real answer. No. That fan four stick movie is so good I don't blame you And then what else did he make Chronicle? A found footage movie, yeah, those are really hard. The biggest twist in all of cinematic movie history

is that somebody's given him money To make another movie He's got something else in development Somebody's given him money I never expected that Yeah He's making a movie with Tom Hardy I thought his career was over

Thanks to that Twitter stuff You'd think Yeah Listen, Fantastic Four is a disaster and I partly blame him, but it's also, there's a lot of other studio interference that made it as bad as it was.

Chronicles in the movie. We'll see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll give him the second chance. Yeah, yeah, you're right. So we got some questions. Yes, we do. Alex has some.

Yeah, man. Do you want to start with yours, Alex? Because it's usually for me picking them out. Yeah. So if you want to leave your questions that we might answer on the show, head over to the Sardonna cast Reddit, and Ralph normally puts a thread up

when a new episode goes up. I'm going to start with a subject I wanted to talk with you guys about from user J, this is fucking obnoxious, J6E6 S6 do you think it's important

to disregard an actor's scandals when it comes to judging the quality of a movie? Well, my first instinct is to say yes because I can't think of a single time when I've had the quality of the film affected by some scandal of an actor. I can't think of a single time.

Let me add a detail. Sure. Let's say Kevin Spacey, take him as a... Yeah. Because I love Kevin Spacey's films he's been in. I obviously don't like what he's done. And I even watched Seven again recently, which he is in. And I can help it continuously think about it.

And I don't know if that's kind of ruined some of the films he's in. Because I also really really liked American Beauty as well, He's the main character in that one. I don't know if re-watching that, there'll be different thoughts about it or what. And I remember I went into the pianist. Of course, the director has done some questionable shit, and I just couldn't get it out of my head,

so I couldn't be objective about the movie. I couldn't think about it fairly. Very interesting. Because of that, like, I was just, I just feel wrong watching this. I don't know if that's just a me thing or what. No, no, I think a lot of people feel that way, too, but I'm not one of them. Yeah.

I just take it on a case by. case, I suppose, because I still like enjoyed seven, you know, I still like all the things that he's been in because I think I just find when it's the director, you know, the all seeing powerful force on a movie, like the director

gets either all the credit or all the blame. So when it's related to them, as opposed to an actor who is just doing a job that they're being paid for alongside an entire cast and crew and writers and all that, I don't know, how do you guys feel? Well, I mean, I would take it

the same way as if, you know, let's say Kevin Spacey was completely responsible for something. Let's say, let's say he made a tweet that said, the Holocaust was bad, you know, just because he did some shitty things doesn't mean that you can look at that tweet and be like, I don't know if I agree with that, you know, in the same way that I would say any film or any work of art that comes from a person, you can still appreciate the art that they created even if they're a terrible person, you know, I don't think it's endorsing their actions or ideas just to say, hey, Roman Polanski was very incredibly talented. Kevin Spacey was incredibly talented.

If they weren't, they wouldn't be, you know, these icons in the first place. They can still be shitty people and you can even make a commitment saying like, okay, I'm just not going to buy one of their films or something like that. And I do find it a little unfortunate that, you know, great works of art can be unintentionally lesser appreciated because of something like that. Yes. Because when it comes down to it, you know, the founding fathers were all slave owner, rapists, you know, but, you know, they made

America, you know, there's... Well, there's... That's a double whammy. Back then, that used to be acceptable by society's standards, so... But, like... That didn't make it okay. Listen, that's what...

I'm not going to judge people... Well, if you did that now, obviously, it's horrific. But, like, Christopher Columbus is obviously a fucking horrible person, but by 200, 300 years ago, standards, yeah, everyone did that shit. So okay Okay Ralph

It doesn't bother you Ralph is it gonna go Ralph? It does it does no it does bother me a lot Yeah, yeah it does to answer your question like especially American beauty Yeah, that's one there's a scene where he fantasizes about an underage person that makes it better What about in baby drive where he says something about the bulls on that kid? Yeah Oh the balls on that little bit I mean it opens it up to a lot of jokes for sure it makes certain things funny But it doesn't, at no point do I ever feel like, like I'm unable to appreciate something that I love about their performance or about their directing because of it. And that's what it comes down to for me.

It doesn't take away from the appreciation of it as art, but it's distracting for sure. I don't find myself that distracted. It's a case-by-case basis. I mean, it depends on how good the actor is, too. You know, because if it's just the guy who plays himself every movie, like let's say the rock killed a bunch of kids. Like, the Rock plays himself at every movie, so I would be more annoyed at it than if Daniel DeLewis did it, because when Daniel DeLois plays a character, I see the character. I don't see him.

All right. Well, the Rock was never, like, an amazingly talented actor, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's like, what would be appreciated if he didn't kill a bunch of kids, is the question. Rampage. The Rampage is ruined for me. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing.

I'm not able to appreciate the subtleties in Dwayne Johnson's performance now. Yeah, so instead of the rock, it was Chris Benoit. I do have one kind of example that I can point to where I find myself, I don't know, like I never really seem to fall in line with the whole, like, they shouldn't be able to make art or their career should be ruined thing. Of course, you know, if jail time is a thing, then they should serve jail time. and then, you know, once they get out of jail, continue making art or whatever. You shouldn't avoid the law if you've done something terrible.

There's one example of a person that I just wish wouldn't have a career right now, and that's Chris Brown. And I'm just shocked that this whole hashtag me two thing happened and was huge, and he's still collaborating with major artists, and nobody is taking any real issue towards it. That's the one that I'm the most shocked. about fucking Chris Brown. It's very inconsistent.

He just ignored it. Yeah. He did it at the right point in time. If you're going to beat somebody up to a fucking pulp, it was better to do it 10 years ago than now, I guess. All right. Because Kevin Spacey was one of the first major ones in this new resurgence of this, he kind of got the blunt end of the stick.

And people like T.J. Miller, who's had some allegations, against him. He's, you know, who's still in Ready Player 1. They didn't see GM out. He's in Deadpool 2. You know, it doesn't seem to really affect him when you could argue that the same treatment should or should not be necessary. Like, they really went full on with Kevin, didn't they? Like, they full on just removed his performance from a movie.

Well, yeah, when, you know, when one company does it, then it's a cue for everybody else or every other company to do it. Like, that's Netflix. Netflix canceled the fucking show, right? So it's like After that point it just removed his character They got rid of the best character in the show Which was Kevin Spacey As much as I'd hate to say it

That show without him doesn't work Or Claire No you're right It's meaning about Claire and Kevin Spacey You're completely right yeah I guess to finish my train of thought With Chris Brown There was an artist that I really kind of got into

For a bit Joyner Lucas And I really enjoyed his like kind of poetic storytelling hip hop it reminded me of some like earlier Eminem in a sense where you know it was actually it actually felt like purposeful

and I got like a narrative kind of sense out of it and then I see a tweet one day that he's like doing a collab with Chris Brown he's like I released a new track with Chris Brown and I had this moment in my head where I'm like now I just it's how can I believe all of these things that you're communicating

to me as an artist you know because like it's not like when you're doing music, it's not so much performing as a character, or maybe he was the whole time and I just didn't clue into it. It's not like, oh, I'm expressing something that I'm directing, I'm creating another story. Music is, or to a lot of people, myself included, is like an extension of your own being, your own emotions, and it's an expression of yourself and your feelings and communicating that to the world. And I just, that's the one that I'm really torn on, is when I see, somebody collaborating with Chris Brown and I'm like okay well you're making really

thoughtful music otherwise but how is that I don't know maybe I'm just fucking stupid maybe I'm just a hypocrite I don't know you have to like question that too Adam that's a good point like it also depends on the art you're making yeah music requires much less people or like let's say stand-up comedian like all that art all that is is one person and if you don't like that one person or you know that one person was a fucking horrible guy like pill Cosby or something like how can you ever go back and appreciate his comedy yeah you can't laugh at something he said because you know he's like he's just a shit human being yeah yeah in some ways yeah the the medium does really affect it too because

yeah i've never i never thought that i would ever be a type of person to be like oh you collaborated with this person and then find myself almost that being you know distasteful for someone's works or previous works and yet it happened to me and I just it's it's so strange because I never thought that that could happen you know I find it like being contradictory to my own beliefs in a sense because I try really hard not to do that and who knows like I don't understand the inner workings of a their relationship or be the motivations for even doing a sort of collaboration I don't even think I listened to the actual song yet I was just like I looked at the tweet and I was just like Just the concept.

Disgust in my in my brain, but who knows? Maybe it's something I need to work on character-wise. What did that happen? The Chris Brown. Recently in the last fucking two or three months. Yeah? Okay. The beating.

Oh, the beating. The song. What, like five to ten years ago? The beating. I was younger, so I have no recollection. Yeah. Like I just, and I was never interested in Chris Brown. So maybe people just don't care anymore.

That's another thing. People just get bored. Yeah, I guess. They're like, ah, who cares? That's what's what happened with Woody Allen, too. I don't think what Woody Allen did was nearly as bad, but, you know, people like, oh, I still go see Woody Allen movies.

His movies are still good. Yeah, who knows? So, anyway, are we all satisfied with that question? Yeah, I think so. The answer is it's complicated. Yeah. I got one. Shoot.

Yes. Shagadelic 99 asks, what's the best performance you've seen, wasted on a terrible movie. My answer would be, this is something someone said on Reddit. It's the guy who played Obi-One in the Star Wars Brewer. Yeah, that was one of my choices. I think he did a really, he did a really good job honing it on Alec Guinness and getting like all the mannerisms right. And he was like a really interesting Obi-One. And I would have loved it if he had a good script to work with or anything to work with. Including the supporting cast, that was good. Yeah. What are you going to do? And like a good versions of those films, he would be the

perfect Obi-1. Yes. He had done a great job. He's fucking wasted. And he's given like the worst dialogue ever. And he still somehow manages to make it sound okay. He's just a good actor. Yeah.

Yeah. That's the interesting thing. Like you watched the prequel scenes and Anakin's dialogue is just awful. And yeah. Obi-1's dialogue is almost as bad, but he somehow manages to make it sound better. Mm-hmm. Because he's just that good of an actor. But what are you going to do?

My pick would probably be any number of the films that, Michael Fastbender is in. I don't know what is up with it. You must have like a really bad agent or something because he's just in absolute garbage sometimes. Like, why are his talents being wasted on Assassin's Creed? You blow into the flute and I'll do the fingering. Exactly.

Yeah. He's really good in that movie. Exactly. It's just, it's an awful movie. Yeah. He's such a talented actor and I feel like he's just wasted on so many of these films. I guess, I mean, I suppose he's getting a big fat paycheck out of being the assassin and Assassin's Creed, but like,

come on, man. You ever seen shame? That's the thing. Yes, I have. He's very good. Shame is great. Yeah. Great director. My pick, Joaquin Phoenix, there was this kind of like infamous interview that he did on Letterman

where I don't know if you guys are aware of this. This is like seven years ago or something. And he was like wearing sunglasses, like clearly fucking on something, chewing gum. Letterman tells him to stop and he like puts the gum under the desk and he's like nervous the whole time. And it's such a sellable, believable, like genuine thing where he, it turns out he was parodying this kind of like washed up celebrity trope almost, you know, around the same time where I think Steveo was doing like this thing where he's like, I'm a rapper now for like he tried for like five months or something. And it was like terrible when Steveo was addicted to nitrous oxide and was ruining his brain.

So apparently this was all just like this kind of meta strange promotion for this fake documentary called I'm Still Here, where they were pretending through this documentary and it was just one big troll. They were pretending that walking Phoenix was going through like a lot of drug shit and he was transitioning into being an aspiring rapper and he's done with acting. and it would have been such a fucking perfect setup. Walking Phoenix is one of my favorite actors and he does amazing at everything he's ever done from what I can tell, I guess. I don't know if I've ever seen him do a bad performance. And I watched this movie and it was just like,

first of all, it was so abundantly clear that it was fake in the film, not from his performance, but just the way it was filmed and like the beats of these things that happened in the movie and the characters around him, you know, like everybody around him. him didn't act normal or natural.

So it really was a wasted performance. It truly was. And like everything that he did on Letterman was just so entertaining and ambitious to me that he was able to troll all those people for a short amount of time. And then the movie comes out and it's just like, ugh. It was directed by Casey Affleck, by the way, for some reason. Oh, really? But yeah, it really shitty pretend fake documentary that was such a wasted opportunity.

That could have been really fucking cool. but that was not good. It's a shame it sucks because it sounds interesting from what you're saying. Oh yeah, it was just so boring and didn't feel real in the slightest. I've seen that interview with David Letterman. I didn't know that was fake.

I just thought that was a real interview. No, he was watching Phoenix was a dickbag. For this fake documentary. Wow, I fucking love him so much more. Yeah, he's awesome. I love logging females. I didn't know that. I just saw him.

I'm like, wow, what a dick bag? You showed up to David Letterman's show, chewing gum. The reason why you didn't know that is because nobody saw this fucking movie because it wasn't good. Yeah. What a shame. It was just a shitty movie. Yeah. Yeah.

It was truly a waste. Yeah. I guess that's that one. All right. We want to do one more question? Yeah. Alex, you got it? Uh, yeah.

I got a good one here from El Glitcho. What is the most obnoxious slash lazy camera technique to see in films? Also, has it ever been used well? Digital zoom-ins Is that out? Were you zoom in Post-production? Oh, okay.

Post-Zoom. I can't stand that shit. It's terrible. It's terrible when you can notice it and you're like, the pixels are getting bigger. Yeah, but you notice it every time they fucking do it.

Every time. And whenever I sit, I don't do that. It always looks bad. Just zoom in on the real camera. Why not just do it on the real camera? It depends. It's one of those things.

where if it had, hey, hold on. Okay, go ahead. If it has been done well enough that you wouldn't notice, then you didn't notice it, right? So. I guess. That's true. I'm willing to assume that there have been instances

where it has been done in a way that wasn't bullshit. Okay. Well, then in that case, it's been done very subtly so that the filmmaker knew digital zoom-ins look like shit. So let me try really hard to make sure it doesn't look like a shitty digital zoom. In which case, the filmmaker is actually doing it, but acknowledging it's bad and trying to fix it. Yeah.

So, I think it would fall into the same category as people who, you know, say like, oh, CG is terrible, but it's just like, you only notice terrible CG when it's terrible CG. And when it's not, you don't notice it. You know, it's just one of those things, I think. So who knows? I think it's probably been done fine before. Or just maybe really subtly also.

Mm-hmm. What about you, Alex? My pick would be shaky cam. when it's used because it has been used properly before when there's a shaky cam action fight scene there is nothing more mind-numbing and just frustrating about it you just want the camera to be far back so you can see

choreography or any kind of planning because it's just lazy to me it's just a cheap way to skip over the actors not having to learn anything because you can just shake everything and cut really quickly so you can barely tell what's going on. I remember it was a really bad instance of it, I think was taken three or something.

When he jumps the fence? Oh, that I'm including in the description. 13 cuts. You can tell what's going on. It's so funny. I mean, Alex, that's partly the editing too, is that the editing and all those scenes when it's poorly done is just a fucking mess.

But yeah, I think there are instances when that's done well. Yeah, yeah. I think most, if it's like a technique that people know, chances are it comes from someone using it well, right? Like it has to... It's not going to be a technique that you don't use, right? Like, I just get fed up sometimes of people using the camera shake, just even on scenes where it's completely unnecessary.

There's this show on Netflix called Bloodline. I don't know if you guys have seen any of it, but they really overdue just... There's not even action scenes. It's just really similar. Paul, shot, reverse shot, mostly kind of character interactions, but it's always fucking shaking. It's like just, God damn, put it on a tripod and keep this, keep it still.

It's really distracting to me. It's annoying when like, the camera shakes for no reason. Yeah. Because when Paul Greengrass does handheld all the time. Yeah, yeah. But it only shakes a lot when he's running or when a character's like in a plane. Yeah, when it makes sense. But like you said, Alex, there's these scenes where people talk and they just shake the

fucking camera for no reason. Yeah. It's like there's no reason for the camera to be shaking. There are instances. Even if someone was holding it, it would be pretty still. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Although I would say, like, in reference to, like, fight scenes, that is a bit of a

combination of two different problems. Yeah, yeah. Quick cuts and the shaky cam in order to mask the fact that they're not actually fighting and nothing's actually happening. Yeah. I can't tell what's going on. Well, you're not supposed to because they didn't show anything. Yeah.

There's exceptions for every single one of these things that are noise. I saw a movie. basically I've had a really tough time finding Bollywood movies that I like in the sense that I haven't liked a single one and I guess people figured that out or I mentioned it and then there was like a Reddit thread

of like oh here's some great Indian movies to recommend to Adam so I watched a few of them and a lot of them had were very annoying and I just couldn't get into them one of them did something that I had never seen done before in a film. They used post-production stabilization in a shot.

Like, basically like that YouTube fucking plug-in filter. And I was watching the shot. I was like, are you fucking serious right now? You're using post-stabilization? Oh, that just pissed me off to no end. The movie was kind of bad aside from that anyway. But that was one thing that really bothered me. I guess in terms of like overall,

in the film industry, one of my biggest fucking pet peeves in terms of lazy, lazy as shit camera tricks, I guess, is in horror movies especially, showing a character or showing something in the background or showing anything, cutting to the side, showing the character's face or something, like doing something for like two seconds, cutting back to the same shot, ooh, something's different.

Like, oh, I don't know what happened in that space of time where the camera wasn't on this thing. I hate that shit. It happened all the time and the strangers. That was a really annoying fucking one where it's like they're dicking around

in the background. The character doesn't even see them anyway. Who is that for? It's for the audience. It's only there for the audience. Yeah, especially when that fucking fucking truth or dare movie.

There was like some graffiti on the wall and then the character does, you know, close shot of the character cut back to the wall and it's like, oh, it's different. Yeah, that was annoying. Who's that for? I don't even think it was a cut in that one.

I think they just digitally did it, they went past it and went back in one shot. But still, that's an annoying, annoying thing in movies for me. It's just, oh, something's different when you look at it again. It was out of frame. Now it's back in frame. Oh, so scary. Like, how, who's scared by that?

Lots of people are because these movies make a lot of money. Yeah, that's true. All right. Wrong at them. I guess, uh, I guess that wraps up, uh, questions. Good job, everybody. We did it. We made it through another one.

Hell yeah. I guess it's my turn to recommend a movie, isn't it? Yeah, boy. And I'm still, I've got, you know, I've got a list of some things here. I guess I've got all the time in the world. I can just recommend something else another time. I'm still having a really fucking tough time with this. But I think there's one of them that I want to rewatch again more than any of them right now

because I haven't seen it in a while. And it's one of my favorites, I think. It's from Alejandro Gonzales Iniarity, director of Birdman and The Revenant. Okay. And it's his first film, I believe. I'm just going to look it up right now. I think it is his first film.

Director Credit. Yeah, he directed some shorts. And then Amores Peros, 2000. It's Mexican. It's got Gael Garcia Bernal in it. And it is a long-ish film. It's two and a half hours long. But it is probably my favorite movie

from him and I really want to watch it again. So thank you. Yeah. I've always wanted to watch more of this guy's stuff. Oh yeah. How much? How much? Oh really?

That's it. Okay, cool. Because this one, this is great. Yeah, this one I think started kind of like a thematic trilogy-ish kind of thing in a way. They're not related at all. But in the same way that I guess Cornetto trilogy is a thing. I guess that's kind of different.

So I think this one, 21 grams and Babel, were all kind of the same thematic trilogy kind of thing. And this one's easily the best one. And this would be the only other Inari 2 film that I love as much as Birdman, although very, very different. Okay, cool. All right.

Good shit. Thank you. No problem. I guess that wraps it up. Yeah, I just want to watch that fucking movie again. You know, that's the biggest reason I'm recommended. Can't wait to watch this fucking movie again. All right.

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