Sardonicast - Sardonicast #08 The Last Jedi, Amores Perros

Episode Date: May 23, 2018

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Three, two, one. So I just saw SardanaCast and it was awful. I stole my own intro there because... That's how you start everything. Yeah. Well, that's... Yeah, pretty much, my quickies at least. Anyway, we're Sardincast.

I'm Adam from your movie sucks. I'm Alex from I hate everything. I'm Ralph from Ralph the Movie Maker. Ready? YouTube.com slash... There you are. Yeah, there it is. Yeah.

Nothing went wrong that time. Introduced ourselves. Yeah. Well, flawless. It should be. The reason why I said, uh-oh, before we started recording is because I realized I didn't have an intro to steal that I had in mind.

I just got back from a flight from Reno. I was at BLFC and it was lots of fun. It's a furry dumb thing. And as I was there, I found out that I actually got accepted to Cannes Film Festival, which is very exciting. I'm very stoked. You got accepted to go.

You didn't make a movie and it got accepted to Cannes. You're right. I did not make a movie this year. That's really impressive. I did not make a movie in the past few days.

They accepted it before the movie was finished. They're like, this guy is probably going to make something good. So I made the movie in the past three days and now I'm going to France.

That's awesome. Impressive. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. They've got like a dress code and everything. So that's going to be interesting. Really?

Yeah, I never once thought in my life that I'd be buying last minute tickets to France You know that was fucking pricey and annoying But hopefully I'll see some good shit there's a lot of stuff that I could see I might be able to see under the silver lake Depending oh Yeah, that would be awesome that and try to see climax a Gasper new way's new movie Oh yeah, yeah, I think it's playing there yeah, so it's my My badge is only for the last like few days of the festival. And so like there's limitations to where I can be and what I can see.

This is a program that they've only just started this year for like 20 to 28 year olds. All you have to do is just write them a letter and say like, hey, I like film a lot. And then they might accept you. Is that what you have to do? And the only reason I got accepted is because apparently some other people canceled. So that's why it was so last minute. So anyway, I should try that out too. That's why we're recording early is because I'm going on a fucking plane to France by the time that we usually record. So it's like 24 hours home. I'm literally just here to record the podcast and that's it.

Wow. Yeah, holy shit. Last commitment. Yeah. That is commitment. See what we do for you guys? Ralph, you wanted to mention something. Oh, is it that the new DSLR guide video came out?

No. No. I'm done it. I've had enough of him But yeah It's great if you guys If you guys want to check it out He films his feet for three minutes

Oh Quinn Tarantino film Yeah It's like a foot fetish movie Okay cool But beside that I think we're making a website We probably are making a website We think we're maybe

We have We have Like we don't really know What we're doing that But basically I just wanted to get it I wanted to put the seed in everyone's head that we are making a website

that's going to organize everything and it's going to have extras for you guys and all kinds of cool things you can do and I'll have like maybe a little subscription service so you get to see episodes early and you get to see Adam edit the episodes and whatever bonus stuff cool stuff like that

maybe even live streams maybe not like that's we have no idea what we're doing yet but get ready for it because it's going to be cool that's why I was confused as to why you wanted to mention it right away because we've still you're I mean this is just speculation yeah I mean it is coming we think these the website will have these things yeah it's a teaser yeah who knows but now you've planted expectations in people's heads exactly so we got to live up to them and if those expectations aren't met then people

are gonna be mad I'm used to disappointing people don't know okay all right it's had high hopes now making YouTube videos now they have high notes I I have this really weird thing with my brain Where my subconscious is an asshole When it comes to me and dreaming a lot of the times I have very vivid dreams I know a lot of people don't like really remember their dreams I remember a lot of my dreams

And a lot of the times they're like awful Depending on the circumstances of how I'm sleeping And so obviously I slept on the plane On the way back here not too long ago And I had a job dream that I was in the same plane seat, but there was like the guy sitting next to me was this, this like huge, gross, sweaty, overweight, like tons of pimples, tons of moles. Basically, didn't even have human form anymore.

He was kind of like a blob. And he kept, like, trying to get past me. And he would like, he would like lift his arm up. But underneath his arm, his armpit hair was basically like a sword shape. Like, it was like pointy. And he would like brush it past my face. And I was just like, no, and I couldn't move. And I was like, oh, no.

And this guy was getting his armpits sweat all over my face. Then I was like, oh, no, please stop. And I'm like lifting my arms up so that I don't get his armpit in my face. He's like, oh, what, what are you trying to do? Like, he kept getting offended by it. And then I, I would, he put his hands in my mouth and just started like basically abusing and assaulting me. And this was all very vivid and real.

And so it was incredibly traumatic. And I put my hands up, but I would try pushing them away. Like, please stop. And then as soon as I try pushing the guy away where I'm like, no, stop doing this, the person in the row in front of me in my dream pulls out their iPad and starts recording as though I'm like the aggressor. Like, oh, look at this fucking guy. Oh, we're going to make sure this goes online. I'm like, no. And it was fucking awful.

And that is the second worst dream I've had on an airplane with the first being dreaming that the airplane I was on was crashing. That was awful. God, that's very dramatic. I'd rather crash. I don't go through that. Oh, my God. The guy was probably American. I know it was a dream, but it was probably an American.

It was stressful. So that, yeah, that's why I waited to tell you how my flight was, Alex. Oh. Yeah. I haven't been on a plane since I was like 15. Oh, geez. Really? Yeah, yeah, I just haven't.

I don't know what's tell you. Safest mode of transport, even though it's always scary. There's always a little bit of a fear. You're like, oh, is someone going to fucking take, take over the plane is it gonna crash is something gonna explode yeah is bain gonna show up is bain gonna show up yeah that shit like a plane attached us to another plane oh it's a shame i keep a dream journal but i can't find it right now oh it's like it's like a document on my computer i have some funny fucking dreams on there but whatever that's cool yeah dream journals are cool you should try to keep

because it gives you a lot of good ideas for either jokes or videos or anything movies oh man i have so many dreams where I'm like, oh, that would make a perfect movie and I write it on my phone real quickly and then go back to sleep again, you know, just like kind of interrupt my dream. And then I wake up again and I remember the whole thing. I'm like, that doesn't make sense. There's so many plot holes in this shit. But it only makes sense when you're dreaming it. Oh, no.

Yeah. But it's not, I mean, like, if it doesn't make enough sense, then it's like, okay, it's not worth. Well, you can't use the whole idea. You got to use like a little segment of it and then make it. Yeah. That's totally what Charlie Kaufland does, I think sometimes at least. Or maybe he just smokes a lot of weed, bro. Yeah, well, weed is the other way of doing that.

But the thing is with weed, you can't coherently write anything down while you're on weed. Unless it's music. I draw pictures. Yeah, really? I can't do anything. I just write music. Not music. I just draw pictures.

That's it. I just draw pictures when I'm home. Nice. Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah. There's a certain amount of people out there to think that like the only way to be creative is to get high, which I just find very strange.

Of course not, but it's a way of being creative. Speaking of people being on drugs while making something Let's talk about Last Jedi A perfect transition You should win an Oscar for that Uh huh Well Disney's giving them out so Might as well

What did you guys think? What were they thinking? Where to begin I have a very strange relationship with The Last Jedi Like I go two days really liking it And then the next two days I like change my mind. I just can't make my mind up on it. Because a lot of the issues I just don't agree with some of the major ones.

I do think it has problems, so for some reason, because this whole thing happened where someone made a video on my video, so now I have this reputation for not thinking that it's possible to dislike the movie, even though I never said that. Oh, I love those. Like, but anyway, anyway, obviously it's fine to dislike the movie. there's plenty to dislike about it. I also think there is some to like in there too. What are your biggest problems

with it? I guess that's the biggest area to start with, a jump off point. What do you say is the single biggest issue with The Last Jedi? Too many women. Too many women. They're taking over our movies. Okay, let's make it clear that that's not

one of the issues involved in it. I'm being completely serious, Ralph. Yeah. Stay out of my movies. The underwritten characters. Okay. I'm tired.

Yeah, women are ruining Star Wars. That's okay. Wow. The biggest issue is that nothing meant anything is a completely pointless movie. And know what the biggest thing was? It felt like it hated every movie that came before it. And it was like undoing. It was undoing everything, every movie before it had established.

Okay. And that's what I feel like all of these Disney movies are doing now. The Star Wars movies is that they hate the movie that came before them and they try to undo everything the last movie did. So it's like we're just constantly going backward. And I bet in the next one too, when JJ takes charge again, it's going to be, okay, I'm going to undo everything Last Jedi did. Well, I wouldn't say they hate the previous films. I would say that it's self-explanatory. It's Disney remaking Star Wars in 2015, 2018, you know.

Like, you're getting exactly what you pay for in that category. And when that sort of thing happens, you don't get a faithful adaptation based on what made the first movies work so well. You get a rehash of things that are kind of trying to be like the first movies and have a lot of money behind them and hope that it works out and advertise it enough that people will see it and hope that brand recognition works out well. And it did. And they are making a shit ton of money. So, I mean, that's what we got. I don't know what people expected when everybody was really excited that Disney was remaking Star Wars in the 2015 era, and now people are disappointed because they got a Disney Star Wars film in the 2015-ish era. I mean, it's basically fan fiction.

I'm just not surprised, and I've never given a shit about Star Wars, so that's kind of where I'm sitting. Alex and I are more involved in the Star Wars. Yeah, I don't understand what you mean by it, like, hating. the previous movie. Well, all of them are fan fiction. That's just what's going to happen now. Because George is not involved anymore. And, you know, say whatever you want about the prequels.

But that's what he wanted to do. So I'm like, okay. The new ones, by the way, aren't as bad as the prequels. But like, the seven introduced so many things, Captain Fasma, Snoke, the dynamic between Ray and Luke and all these things. And then Ryan gets this stuff. And he's like, okay, I'm going to undo all of it. So like 80% of the movie is him undoing everything that last movie did.

What you just listed there is like, I wouldn't consider like anything major. Captain Fasma is like a minor B character who means nothing. Yeah, but it still takes up 10 minutes of the movie. It's like 10 minutes of this movie's taken up with like this awful scene of Finn calling Fasma Chrome Dome and then them fighting with electric swords. And it's like what the fuck is this now? And that's why the movie kind of feels like a mess. It's not undoing anything though.

That's very Star Wars to me. They did the exact same thing with the exact equivalent character in the O.T. With Boba Fett. It's the same thing. I don't feel that way either. Well, Boba Fett doesn't show up until the second one. And Boba Fett's not... It is a rehab.

Like, everyone made a big deal about Bubba Fett after the fact, but during that movie, he was just Bubba Fett. He was just Bubba Fett. Boba Hotef Fet. Like, he was just this guy in the back. He doesn't make a big deal out of Fasma, really? No. Well, yeah, they do.

Well, I guess I'm sorry, the marketing did. So, I guess that's partly it. And then Gwendolyn Christie going on about how great of a character, Captain Fasma is. And she's in it maybe a total of five minutes out of the two movies. When you said Snoke as well, right? Yeah, Snoke, they set up this intimidating villain and just kill him at the end because they didn't know what to do with him, right? It's like, I don't fucking know.

So let's just kill him. That character isn't interesting. He's just like a rehash of the emperor. Exactly. So that's what I'm saying. He plays his part. He's just like a plot device, effectively. to assist another character.

I don't really see the problem in that. That's not good writing for me. Everyone in the original trilogy does something. What I take issue with in your criticism here is something that a lot of people have been doing and maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't think that just because Ryan Johnson is the only writer credit,

that that means that he was the only writer in this multi-million dollar Disney film. So I don't think he can really be used as a scapego. for why this film, you know, either bastardizes earlier characters or, you know, parts of the franchise or why it turned out poorly. I don't think he can really be the scapegoat. He's not solely responsible for this project at all. I completely agree with you on, but on those certain elements, like phasma and whatever, those had to be his decisions because I don't know why Disney would decide. I don't know why Disney would decide to kill off these characters, like just.

I don't know. That's something that felt like Ryan. wanted that to happen. There's such a minor part of the film though. Like the actual problems with the film is the like the weird structure of it and weird plot holes like the whole film is kind of based around a chase. Yeah. Right.

With like a ship running out fuel is the concept. But there are little things that like why don't they, I don't know, send a few destroyers in front of it and just shoot it from the front, you know, stuff like that that you can't really argue against or like. I know a lot of fans have problems with the new things that the force can do all of a sudden. Yeah, whatever. I mean, they changed it in the prequels anyway, too. And they were like, it's midi-chlorian or whatever.

I kind of understand, but I also don't at the same time. Like, what does it actually ruin? Like, I heard the argument that the force hologram thing, like, ruins everything, because why didn't they just use it in the past to solve every issue there's up? they've ever had like send someone into the death star to destroy it as a ghost. There's a kind of a reason for that that's kind of a spoiler. Are we going to say that this is a spoiler discussion? I think it's fine to spoil.

Yeah, this is a spoiler discussion. Well, my interpretation, yeah, I mean, like, that apparently it's just the, you know, super move that uses all of your P.P. And then you're left to flinch and then die. Yeah, what does it ruin for you, Ralph? Well, the force, I'm a big fan of the original. trilogy. I hate what they did with the force and the

the... Yeah, same. The force is supposed to be this subtle thing that you never see and it's like, it's used to fuck with people's heads just a little bit. It's just there's always this presence of it. And I think that's way more interesting than having it be used to

push things with your hand or to do stupid shit like at the end of the movie where Luke makes a force hologram. There's some force things they do in the movie that are really cool. Like when Ray talks to Kylo, And it's just like these shots of them, you know, it's like shot reverse shot, but they're in different locations and there's a little bit of an echo. Like that's the force to me.

That feels right. And then there's dumb shit like that. I don't understand what's dumb about it, though. To me, it makes sense because Luke was established through like Yoda. Yoda's always going on about how the force is like, it's not to be used as like a weapon and everything. And he uses it in like a clever, you know, pacifist way to save everyone. Turns to anger. Yoda shooting lightning out of the sky

was just fucking stupid. Yeah, that one is hard to defend. Yeah, that's hard to defend. I don't like that. There's all these little things, though. I don't know if that makes it ruined Star Wars to me. No, it didn't ruin Star Wars. I just don't think it's a very good movie.

There's some good stuff in it. But yeah, I don't like what they did with the Force in it at all. That's a reasonable perspective. Yeah. Because, I don't know. A lot of people are really overreacting about this movie, I feel. Like there's too many extremes You know not enough moderate kind of like oh it was all right

Perspectives Because that's what I think is just like yeah It was a Star Wars thing and yeah it was kind of dumb But so were a lot of the other ones so When I first saw it it was like right down the middle And it's it's lean more toward negative As time has gone on but you know I don't hate it outright It's still better than the prequels

I was trying to think about this Like the movie clearly has this message And everything's trying to build towards this concept and idea of like failure and you know actually as themes what greater themes do all Star Wars movies have that all build into this central idea like of narrative structure do they have any beyond like re-dicts strikes back had the theme of failure too but the thing is that movie actually had stakes and consequences for the failure like at the end of that movie things are royally fucked by the end of it and at the end of it and at the

of this, everyone fails, and no one pays for it. All the characters are fine, and they're basically the same people at the end. Finn did absolutely nothing the whole movie, and that one chance he did have to do something, which is sacrifice himself. I think that's the worst scene in the movie. Yeah. What was that stupid line? Like, love is going to save us as a fucking explosion goes off

behind. As the horror blind gets blown up right in the background. The justification for crashing into him. Yeah. But, I like that theme. I like that idea that the rebellion is like almost dead and they're getting hunted down and it's these few guys left that defend it.

It's kind of like the story of 300 where like these few men inspire the whole galaxy to rebel against the empire. Their actions in this movie. But that's not what happens. It's just like this boring fucking movie where no one does anything

and then Luke becomes a hologram and it's like, why didn't Luke just go there and like sacrifice? fights himself. It was a distraction. I don't understand that idea either, how that would improve the movie at all. Yeah. What is it about Luke

not being there that is so... It was just like this extra step that wasn't necessary. We're like... Ooh, he can do that. There's key to it, though, isn't it? Luke goes there as a force hologram, and then he doesn't die. He does die. He does die. Yeah, but he doesn't die on the... Like, they try to shoot his hologram and he doesn't die. And you're like,

oh man, Luke's invincible. And then Luke disappears and then he just dies on the planet. And it's like, why'd you need that extra step? Couldn't you just go to the planet and kill himself, sacrifice himself? And like this dramatic scene. But no, he's just like on a hill somewhere and he just fades away. Bye. That's a personal thing.

I mean, you could like that. But that's a little gripe I have with it. I very much empathize with the perspective that it does kind of bastardize and change how Star Wars is quote unquote supposed to be. But I guess also from the perspective that, you know, I'm never really gave too much of a shit about Star Wars. I'm just like it, to me, a sequel doesn't ruin the original films, you know? Like, Rec 3 was shit.

And I talk about how bad Rec 3 was, but, you know, I've still got Rec 1 and 2. I thought you said Shrek 3 for a second. Oh, no. That one was a masterpiece. I'm sorry that you. Shrek 3. dead ruin the Shrek trilogy. Yeah, I guess like

the biggest issue I have with the conversation surrounding this movie is that like the fan culture hype is just so much that people can't handle anything that's not living up to their expectations, you know? Mm-hmm.

Where it's like they've, they've had this idea of how excited they are for something. And when it doesn't live up to that, it's just like, It's terrible. And I guess this is this is not just that. I'm not trying to like brush away all the criticisms as as being that. But it does explain a lot of the like obsessive overreaction that we're seeing.

Like it's not the worst movie ever made. I don't think it ruins Star Wars. I don't see how a sequel to something in the franchise can ruin what you love about the previous films. I don't understand that at all. I've yet to hear a convincing, like, reason for why it is as bad as it is. Well, Luke wouldn't do that. He's a Jedi. Luke would never do that that thing that he does in the movie that goes against his character.

I did every, I did like everything they did with Luke and Ray and Kylo. So you did like Luke. Oh, you liked the nipple milk drinking alien things. Luke's one of the most controversial elements. Yeah, that's a mixed thing. But that's like, at least that's something interesting, and at least the writing was kind of interesting there. But mainly, it was just a messy story where nothing really happened. And it was inconsistent with the rest of this universe, which is mainly the reason why people hate it.

Those two reasons. It is a weird film. Yeah. And I don't think, it's definitely not what the fans wanted. But I never approached it from that perspective. I was going into it knowing it was a Ryan Johnson movie and I was just kind of watching it as his interpretation of a Star Wars movie like I don't go in like hoping for things to happen in that same way that I guess some of the fans do

I guess the problems come into when you disagree with what you think a character would would do but I found the motivations behind the actions of the certain characters in the movie to be understandable based on what we know about them I know people disdemeanors agree with that but to me I can find reasons behind it so for for Luke yes and raise a bit better in this movie because she actually you know struggles a bit I said in my like video that I find that a lot of the issues come from the place that JJ Abrams decided to start this new trilogy from they said he said it in a time period where all of the interesting stuff has kind of already happened.

We want to see Luke training people. We want to see what happens with like Kylo, you know, going evil or whatever. But they jumped so far into the future with this very simplistic set of new characters that are kind of just based in this retread of a new hope. Yeah. So I don't really know what else Johnson could have even done with like what pieces were left at the end of it. More porgs. Yeah, that's the issue too, is that they had no plan for any of this.

I think Ryan said that in a tweet that they had no fucking idea. Kathleen Kennedy, who's supposed to be in charge of this thing, like, she doesn't have a plan. These movies are going to make a billion dollars each easily. No matter what. That is what baffles me the most. Yeah, and that's what it feels like. That's why it was just messy storytelling, because Finn does nothing the whole movie. Rose is introduced in this movie, and you're like, why is this character even in here?

and Poe is off on the side with Lord Durham doing some shit. You know, it's like the only thing mildly interesting in this film was Ray's stuff and Kylo stuff. What is frustrating about it is you can see how these characters from the beginning in a different structure and different story could have been really amazing. Yeah. Like everything the fans could have wanted, but I don't know, there's just this Star Wars nostalgia attack that Hollywood just knows were worth. You know, you shove a tie fighter and an X-wing on the screen and they know they're going to get cheer.

The thing is, is like, even with everybody denouncing Star Wars from episode 8, I predict that probably the majority of those same people will still see the next episode. Of course they will. You know, even if they're going into it just being like, I'm probably going to hate this, you know, they're still going to buy a ticket. And that's part of it too. Like, it is a new trilogy. So it's hard to look at the full picture with that.

seeing the last one too. So I am reserving some of it to that. Like if the third one really does just go against everything the last Jedi did and doesn't build on anything that the previous two ones did, then at the end of it all, it will just kind of been a colossal waste of a bunch of interesting concepts and ideas. That's what's going to happen because they don't have a plan.

So JJ's going to go like, I don't know. They might not do everything he did. I don't know, like there wasn't a plan for Empire, was there? and they still made one of the best Star Wars movie, arguably. So I wouldn't write it off quite yet. I don't know, we might see something good from it and it might complete it.

We just don't know until it comes out. I am expecting a plot twist in the third episode. That's what I'm expecting. A plot twist that may or may not explain away some of the issues that people have with this trilogy. We might get a plot twist explaining

why Ray's a Mary Sue. Yeah, maybe. that too Ray didn't earn the force at all exactly and yet she might explain that yeah but there's no other movie in terms of a story like how effective

it is in the original trilogy that Luke basically sucks at the force until the very end of the last one and even then he could barely beat Darth Vader because Darth Vader goes easy on him like that's the only reason like Luke wins that fight like he struggles

to get the force but he really wants to do it and Ray in the first one and the second one is just fucking whining the whole movie and then she wins the force anyway she she masters the force hell yeah and having any genetic blood tie to anything or being trained thoroughly it's just it's given her i think the biggest problem with ray is that her cockiness should end up with her like tripping at some point like she's so powerful it needs to have some kind of repercussion you know like she can do everything immediately she doesn't have to like earn a work for it and I'd be okay with that if it had some kind of greater effect or

repercussion as a result of like if she was built up from the start of like wow look how like powerful I am from like nothing unlike the greatest and it and it led to some kind of consequence that made her learn a lesson or change yeah that could be interesting there's no consequences a lot of these characters including raid don't exist to be characters they exist to pander towards demographics you know so I mean like that's that's The character itself is secondary, and that's what Disney does, and that's what I was expecting from a Disney Star Wars remake. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, that's why people call her a Mary Sue.

I mean, I get the criticism. It's kind of become, I guess, taboo to say Mary Sue now. You know, it's very interesting, is that Disney is willing to appeal to basically every minority demographic possible, except gay people. because that doesn't sell in China. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, no gays, no ghosts. Those are the rules. Did you ever see the Chinese poster for the Star Wars movies?

And it's the same poster except, except Finn. They just make Finn like really small. It's like, holy shit, isn't that fucking horrible? It's not kind of fucked up though. Like, now Hollywood is just making movies for China? Because they're a huge audience now, and that's why we see these trends. I mean, the Black Panthers. poster they covered Chadwick Bozeman's face with the the black panther mask as well.

Yeah. They don't want Chinese people to know there's a black man in that suit. But it's like it's not even just the marketing. It's like it's the films themselves, you know? Do you think they re-edit these movies? Well, I mean, they just CGI fin out and put Jai Courtney there or something. There's actually a Wikipedia list of like edits that films have made for the Chinese market. and which films are banned

and what changes were made to certain films it seems like from Disney for the most part in this current year that they're just tailoring the films from day one with the Chinese audience in mind that's why you don't have a gay character but you have every other minority in current Disney movies

but China doesn't like Star Wars it doesn't do that well there why do they even bother oh they make some money I guess Yeah, I mean, it's still a big market, I guess, regardless. Yeah. They prefer, like, more colorful. I mean, this is from what I've read.

They would prefer more colorful sci-fi, like Guardians of the Galaxy, something like that. You know, it's like upbeat and fun. Transformers. Yeah, that's another one. There's, like, levity to it. I want to see Stephen Chow direct a Marvel movie. I would love that too. That would be awesome.

That would be great. That's another issue with the movie, too. It's very tonally inconsistent, where you got the porgs in there, and then you got fights with like hardcore violence people getting decapitated so it's this blend of like who's this movie made for i guess it's kind of made for everybody but it doesn't really mesh what did you guys think of the fight scene with the red dudes i love that fight scene i didn't yeah i like it yeah you thought it was too slow right the choreography just didn't seem realistic at all they built it up so much you know they built it up is this like oh can't you wait until this fight scene's

gonna happen and then it happened i'm like this isn't didn't seem believable it It didn't seem fluid. It seemed like there were a lot more days of rehearsal that they could have had for the choreography. That's how it felt to me. You have the right to think that, but I thought it was awesome. And it was so different, too,

to have a lightsaber fight that's not just two guys with a lightsaber. Yeah, it's so strange. Two lightsabers don't even touch in the whole film. Yeah. I do like that as well. Yeah, I feel, it's so weird that I feel like my opinions on this film

are very opposite, to other people. Everybody hates the casino scene. I'm like, ah, that's where it started getting kind of fun for me, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, sure, it felt filler-ish, but, I mean, it was the first part in the movie where I was like, not bored, I guess. Did you like that they rescued the animals, but not the children who were slaves? Oh, yeah. And then they're like, this is the real victory as the fucking child slaves still get whipped. But the kids, but the babies can use the force so that they end credits anyway. All they needed was some incredible. encouragement so they'll be fine yeah the kid has a broom and he has like a ring that came out of a

serial box oh yeah oh yeah it's the infinity stone break and then the the Mickey Mouse logo appears in the stars yeah I don't think that happened I have a question for you guys how do you think these films are going to age so add on 10 years where we've what how many star was films will we have in 10 years like and looking back at these films what do you think the general consensus is going to be I really don't know anymore. Well, I mean, Star Wars is just, it's the, it's the whole fucking brand, right? Like, you can't escape it. Like, theoretically, people shouldn't still be talking about the prequels, but we still talk about them, even when there weren't new Star Wars movies in development. Like, they're always going to be a point in a conversation. They're always going to be a hot topic,

you know. Yeah. People don't shut up about Star Wars. It's always going to be a thing. Yeah, that's true. But I guess the films themselves, quality-wise. You know, the internet kind of comes to a, unanimous decision on if something's quality or not. Like, what's the result going to be in the end? I don't know. It depends on the third movie, I guess. I don't expect it to save everything, but there's a chance, I guess, for some people.

I mean, it could. Like, Star Wars fans, I think, from what I know, because I know quite a few Star Wars fans, including someone who loves the prequels. And he hates these new movies. He hates all of them except Rogue One. Right. So I don't know.

I really don't. I guess part of it is just there are so many Star Wars fans. Like no matter what is released now, there are going to be huge sects who hate it and huge sex who love it and there'll be a big chunk in the middle. I mean, there's no pleasing everybody because no matter what you do, you're going to piss someone off, which is part of the reason why I'm just like,

maybe just don't make them anymore. Ah, yeah. That's not what happened. Let's not make the billions. But you could just leave a good thing alone. Yeah, why would you? I feel like if Ryan Johnson, if they gave him so much creative control that it was all his fault Then I feel like we would have had the Lord and Miller solo film, you know

If that's what if Disney was giving people creative control then why didn't that happen, you know? Like I feel like the Ryan Johnson film was what Disney wanted Mm-hmm You know, totally I mean they had the same issues with the Rogue One where they kept re-editing the movie to make it you know more up they're fucking with all of them I guess Ryan put up the least amount of of a fight compared to the other guys

but I really I don't know what happened behind the scenes I don't blame Ryan entirely I mean just the structure of the movie is kind of a mess the movie ends 30 minutes after it should have ended it's a lot of things I see Yeah It's a really difficult film to talk about

Like just like the movie All the discussions around it are messy Yeah I mean you could go on for hours about this fucking movie fucking movie. Yeah. Just the reaction to it.

Yeah, I still haven't made my mind up. And I think it's going to take more time to come to a conclusion. I feel like it would be easier for me to come to a solid conclusion about this film if I watched a second time. But I don't want to, you know? Yeah. Yeah. If you don't care, who cares. Whether it's a 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 or whatever, you know, it's one of those.

It's not a 7. No matter what. It's like, I'm not, I don't have any interest in seeing it again, which is most Star Wars. films for me, so. It's so inconsistent. I don't think I'd ever watch it again. Yeah. And Force Awakens is a remake of New Hope, but I re-watched Force

Awakens, I think, three times. Oh, wow. It's an entertaining, it's an entertaining movie. I've not by myself. I've watched it with other people. Oh, yeah. Whatever. Your enablers. Yeah, my enablers. But it's a fun movie. I'm like, that was entertaining. I laughed. I had a good time. It didn't feel long.

And this was just like, it was a disaster kind of. With some good nuggets of gold in between some nuggies some good nuggies yeah I get that people like it though I totally see where you're coming from Alex but yeah I can't

I can't take it I'm just fully taking it for what it is I mean yeah I don't even know what it is yeah I don't know what it is either it's just something that like you know when the third movie comes out I'll probably have more of a solid opinion because then it'll be in perspective of the trilogy which yeah you know theoretically the trilogy is its own piece I guess yeah that's

how I've been thinking about I know an older Star Wars fan as well and he was telling me when Empire Strikes Back first came out because he was alive during that time people hated they had the kind of the same reaction as they did to Last Jedi and now we look back on Empire Strikes Back like it's a classic yeah that's not gonna happen does he like the last Jedi that's not gonna happen did he see the Last Jedi no he didn't because he had kids he didn't get a chance to when I was talking about. Is that all you

is all we have to say about it? It's like the pork discussion is just fizzled out by the end like Yeah, it's a little bit of them anymore Yeah I feel like everyone said everything Yeah Get the women out of my movies

Fuck the Star Wars Fuck the Star Wars Fuck representation We need them out They get out of my movies there's a difference because Rose was clearly thrown in there because they wanted an Asian character and she's a completely useless character. She could have just been the hacker, really.

She could have been the hacker, but I guess I thought that was offensive to make the only Asian character a hacker. I just want to see like actual representation, you know? Like I want to say, I want to say like Asian American characters in like instead of Tom Cruise in like a Mission Impossible movie, but not Mission Impossible. its own thing, you know? Like, I feel like it's borderline offensive when you're taking pre-existing properties and it's like, but now we've got the black version.

It's like, well, what? Can we not have something successful that's its own original concept? You know, like women, ghostbusters sort of thing? Like, it's not the issue that it's women. It's that you're bringing nothing to it other than gender swap or like, oh, different race now.

Like, that's the only sellable factor. And you're expecting the movie to ride on that and that only. and it's very kind of insulting, you know. It's a marketing gimmick. Yeah, and that's offensive to me. Like, they're doing that with the Oceans movie now. Yeah. And it's like, oh, we have eight women, so they're going to steal jewelry.

It's like, what the fuck? That's not cool. What's cool about stealing a diamond necklace? It's pandering to the point where I'm surprised more people aren't offended by it. You know, I'm a gay dude. I wouldn't want gay ghostbusters, you know, that pandering to mean, expecting that I'll automatically like it, because apparently I can't relate to people who aren't gay or something.

You know? It's like, oh, I didn't relate to these straight characters before, but now, you know. Hollywood, they're a bunch of cowards. They never take any risks. Yeah, I want the gay, furry Ghostbusters. Yeah. I just, uh... Star Wars.

Star Wars, it's... Is there going to be an insane reaction to solo? Is that the next question? No, because that's a spinoff. Even if it sucks, people would be like, well, it was a spin-off. I guess it's a character from the original, so. Yeah, I have no interest in seeing it. I'm going to see it because I want to make money off the review I'm going to make.

But, like, if I didn't have to make that review, I would not see it. And this isn't like bullshit. I would not fucking sit in a theater and watch that. Yeah, I'm not even going to see it just to make money. Yeah, it looks so boring. Speaking of Donald Glover, surprise topic, what did you think of the This is a music video if we're done talking about Star Wars. Yeah, it was awesome.

Yeah, it's really good. It was cool. You know, the way that the internet was reacting to it initially, you can't open a social media page without seeing it there. I was expecting a lot more from the filmmaking in the music video. And so I watched it and, you know, the choreography is clever, not insanely impressive, but it has. a purpose, which I like, you know,

hidden meetings, et cetera, et cetera. But I was actually kind of taken aback by how kind of simplistic it was at the same time, which is not necessarily something that makes it bad. The song's pretty simplistic too, though, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I think everything kind of fit perfectly

in it. I had no issues. I just like the memes that have come from it more than I say too. Oh, racist! Oh, yeah, there were articles like, if you're making memes out of this music video, you're racist. And then under that article was a thousand memes. It's a vice article saying, for the love of God, don't meme the childish Gambino, This is America music video.

First of all, that's incredibly disingenuous because if you're writing for an online journalistic publisher, you already know that as soon as you say that, people will respond by making memes. So if you don't want that to happen, you're doing the opposite of what you should be doing. You disingenuous prick. It's junk journalism And they clearly just did that to get more clicks That's why they did it And what I usually do is ignore it

There was an article about how Westworld Is the equivalent of man spreading Because it's really long And it takes up time You could be spending watching girls or something Like that's literally what the article's saying What? And I wanted to write like a seven page essay on it

But I'm just like nah It's not even worth it You gotta ignore shit like that Yeah Yeah Just to fairly represent the criticisms against the memes the argument is that it misses the point and I can agree with that but that doesn't mean that it's wrong for doing it because I feel like

when you meme something like you're just taking an image of you know Donald Glover Charles Gambino in his pose you know shooting somebody in a chair that exists independently like that that image exists independently of the music video as soon as it's brought into a new context, right? So you can say, like, me and then, like, my haters or whatever. That's, you're not commenting on the music video itself just because you took an image from it and memed it. Like, so many memes that exist have still images from movies where, like, the memes

have literally nothing to do with it, you know? Like, they're independent of each other. And it's just so stupid to try and enforce it. It keeps it in the conversation. Yeah, exactly. It keeps it relevant. It keeps people talking about it and going back to it. Exactly.

So it's like, if you want to share the message of the music video, the memes are actually a good thing because people are going to be on the internet being like, oh, what the hell is this thing that everybody's meming? And then watch the actual source material. Yeah. You know, I probably wouldn't have been so quick to watch the music video if there weren't all these memes coming out of it, you know? That brings people to be more interested in it.

And I just, I don't understand why people can be so elitist and gatekeeping about what you can meme, you know? That's so stupid. Because they got clicks. They got clicks. Yes. Not just the journalist, but like, I mean, like, you look at the actual article, and they brought up all these tweets from it from different people being like, oh, man, all these people who just suck so much because they're meming the music video and you're supposed to take this whole thing seriously and never take lighthearted approaches to anything in life that has any kind of political message to it that I agree with. Like, okay, fuck off. So stupid. The fun police.

Yes. Yep. Women are ruining Star Wars. Get them out. Get him out of my Star Wars. But see, like a bunch of idiots say that And then vice or journalism like that Fucking responds to those people Validating them and then those people respond And it creates this whole cycle of hatred and stupidity

So that's why I just fucking ignore it Because it's all dumb I'm hoping that the conversation Around the memes of the music video Gets to the point where In Donald Glover's next interview Someone asks him If he thinks that it should be memed

And my impression is that he would respond especially because he's a fucking comedian come on he would probably respond with something like of course people can meet him the music video are you crazy and I'm waiting for that that interview question to be published so I can just be like you fucking idiots because I totally expect that if he were asked to that he would probably validate what we're thinking and maybe I'm wrong I think you're right but I don't I don't think I don't think Childish Gambino is this like you cannot meme this serious music video that I made like come on I don't really expect he would do

that. But then they'll write another article like it doesn't belong to him. It belongs to culture and he doesn't get to the side. Why Donald Glover is wrong about his own music video. Yeah, that'll be the title right. Oh, I love those. Just start a journalism site and write shit like that. Yeah.

Fucking gatekeeping galore, man. It's everywhere. Jesus Christ. Wake up, sheeple. I'm gonna, are we cool with switching topics to the film? Yeah, let's do it.

And then we can fill up the rest with questions after. Yeah. Damn straight. Damn straight. Okay. So we had a recommendation from last episode. A film that I had wanted to see again for a long time because I really enjoy the experience of this film and I like revisiting it every so often.

Hadn't seen it in a while. So I thought, perfect. I know these guys haven't seen it. It is Alejandro Gonzalez Iniattu's first. feature film called Amores Peros. And this is a spoiler discussion. So if you don't want to be spoiled for this movie, which I think is a really great movie, then watch the movie.

And there will be a spoiler discussion next week for a film that will be recommended at the end of this podcast. If you want to skip the discussion, there are timestamps in the comments or description. What did you guys think of this film? Well, life is a bitch. That's for sure. Yep. I like that the title's a pun.

Loves a bitch. Is this like the counter Isle of Dogs movie? Oh yeah. So, Adam, you heard us talk about how much we love dogs. Yes, I did. A movie where dogs get just fucking brutally murdered and killed and fight each other. This movie was really hard to watch. I was flinching consistently.

So you got an experience out of it. I didn't think a movie could make me flinched like that, but I really couldn't look at it sometimes. It was just so horrible. I felt so bad for dogs. What is important to note about that, though, is one of my pet peeves is when dogs are used for, like, emotional manipulation. But it doesn't do that.

It fits into the scenes, you know, it's relevant to the story. It's not manipulative. It's just part of this world that we're shown. The dog's not just, like, thrown in there like a horror movie or like Terminator 2, you know, just so that you can see a dog die. It's like it's a part of the story, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the point of the movie is that all these people take their emotional baggage and kind of put it on their dog.

So it totally fits. I mean, I said I have flinched, but I would never criticize the movie for that because it clearly wanted to do that. And it was very effective. I thought this movie was great. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was brilliant. It's very dense is the word I would use. It's just so much going on, you know.

about so many different elements be it greed, jealousy, hate, love, loss, death, just like every single thing a human ever can experience is touched upon in this film in some form. And you've got different age ranges and you got different classes. There's rich people and there's really poor people and then there's exploration of the middle class. It's like, yeah, it's dense is a good word for it. The film's kind of split into three. three segments that overlap.

What are your guys' favorite one if you had to pick one of these three segments? That's the thing, is that I've seen other movies try this. And usually, like, I think it placed me on the Pines where the first second is the best one. Oh, then the movie just falls apart. I know, exactly. And I was like, this movie better not do that. And yet all three of the stories were equally brilliant. I mean, they were obviously totally different.

In their own way. but each story was compelling. And they didn't totally abandon a story once one ended. You'd see snippets of it throughout, which I also liked. So it kept you, like, the pacing was so perfect. Yeah, I thought it was very, very well done. There were, like, lots of nice little editing tricks I noticed with the transitions, like that really nicely flowed and the different stories together.

Like, there was the one where I think there was a dog fight, and then it cuts to a funeral. and another one, you know, so it leads in beautifully with things like that. There are just loads of those, too. I can't think of them off top of my head, but the more you look at it, the more you find things like that, little details. Yeah, for first feature, it's amazing. Oh, yeah.

It's just one of hours long. Could you imagine this being your first fucking movie? Like, he had two shorts before. Oh, my God. This is his first movie. This is his first feature-length film. It's insane. It's insane.

Yeah, it is. He's a crazy director. Mm-hmm. I was reading about that. He was struggling to get like a kind of form together. No, in editing, because there's just so much meat on the bone. Oh, yeah. You're trying to mold it into something that worked.

If I remember correctly, I think he took it to Guillermo del Toro, who helped out to kind of trim some of it and advise to get. Because I think Guillermo was like originally, this is good, but I think with some trimming this could be like a masterpiece. So I think that that's kind of where the process came from with that one. Yeah, it really does feel like a classic. And it's so strange that not, I mean, sure, a lot of people have probably seen it. But it's not really that relevant in conversation when people talk about, you know,

classic films from like the early 2000s. Not a lot of people bring this up. It's a hard, it's a hard movie to watch, especially that first part. Like, the movie starts right off the bat with the dog fighting. And it's really, I can imagine, I didn't watch this with my family, even though I'm at home. Like, I cannot imagine them sitting through it. They would probably shut it off in that first part, which is why I think people have that. Where it's like, oh, it's two and a half hours of this.

This is fucking horrifying. I can't watch this. It's not like torture porn, though. It's... No. It's very realistic. It's not played for shock horror. Yeah, more so then.

Like, this happens. Like, this shit happens in the world. Like, and it seems quite genuine in the way that it's shown to us, so. Mm-hmm. I was reminded of a website called Does the Dog Die.com. And this movie's on it. And it says yes. Oh.

Yeah. It does really affect. people emotionally in some in in a lot of ways you see these recurring threads over and over again on on reddit of you know people saying that they only care when a dog dies and they don't give a shit when a human dies and um i don't think that this movie was like intentionally trying to manipulate people in that way but it does provide kind of a very um borderline depressing experience in some ways. Yeah, but yeah, I'd say so. There's so much emotional

weight to every single one of these stories that, you know, they would still be emotional without the dogs, but they're incredibly emotional with the weight of the dogs being in the film. You know, it's this strange psychological

effect that is placed on human beings because dogs over time have just been bred to be cute. Yeah. Exactly. That, and we're not as conditioned to violence against dogs and movies. Movies, like, every, I think every movie has one guy getting shot at this point.

So we're just like, yeah, whatever. But a dog, never dude. Yeah, that scene towards the end with the old guy where he, like, adopts the fighter dog unknowingly. And then he comes home. That was the one that got me. And he's, like, going through every dog, like, are you alive? And their tongue is hanging out. I'm like, oh, it's just horrible.

And yet when he holds the gun to that one dog who did, it you're like don't shoot the dog in it no yeah but you can like you can feel the emotion from him like how much all these other dogs meant to him that in his fit of rage that he might do something like that I do actually have a favorite segment and it would be the homeless hitman segment so I really enjoyed that one so much it's a great segment to end the film on for me yeah yeah everything kind of like crescendo's in a way and the soundtrack especially I like the um like that guitar theme like I'm not gonna try to recreate it right now but as the the homeless man homeless hitman is walking towards the camera on the street with his like cart and all the

fucking dogs around him and you hear the same theme again but now it has like a really cool beat to it yeah oh man that's like one of my favorite shots of the movie just because of like how everything flows emotionally especially with the music did you know that the composer for this film is the same guy that did the soundtrack for the Last of Us. I was just about to say that. Yes, I was going to say it sounds just like The Last of Us. Yeah. It was so similar.

Yeah, I thought the, like, palette was very similar. Yeah. And I went and researched it. He's worked with Inari, too, on most of his films, I think. Recently, Birdman and the Revenant, I think, were different composers, though. Yeah. Well, he didn't fit those movies. Yeah.

Yeah. He did a great job. Very different styles. in between this movie and Birdman none of the films in between are as good as either of these but they're still really good films like they'll probably be showing up on my list even though I just haven't seen him in a while I would like to revisit them

a lot of them are really fucking depressing like if you're the more familiar with this director you are you'll realize that he just makes depressing his shit films except Birdman which is like literally the least depressing movie he's ever made and it's still kind of depressing It is. It's got a shiny veneer.

A shiny Hollywood veneer to it. Yeah. It's like ironically depressing. It's part of the, what is it called? The Death Trilogy or something? I was reading it. Yeah, whatever. I forget what he called the trilogy, but.

Yeah, something like that. It's whatever he decided to do where basically this movie and 13 grams and Babel are all just, they all have their own themes. Like Babel is themed on like Missing. communication, but they all have the three storyline structure of characters that are connected and just depressing things happen to them is basically the gist of those movies. Gather the family around everybody. We're going to watch the Death Trilogy.

Ralph, if you have to pick, what would your, what would your favorite be out of the three? I got to go with the first one. Okay. Mine would be the first two. I was just curious to see because I think the weaker one is the second one. Yeah. Purely because of the one thing that I don't know if you guys can explain to me is that the dog under the floorboards, like how long was it under there? I just found it a little strange how they weren't like doing more to get it or something.

I know. There's just something about that that was kind of strange to me. Like they just went to sleep. Because the husband didn't give a fuck. Which I thought that that segment was totally needed because it was much lighter I mean it's still depressing but it's much more has a lighter tone than the other two because the husband just doesn't give a fuck about this dog And they hear it at night crawling around the floorboards and dogs do stupid things like that too so I totally bought it Yeah there I mean there there there are some

unrealistic elements to this film and there are some like cheesely presented elements to this film It's not like a perfected you know it's not it's not it's not it's not not as meticulous as his later films. That just stood out to me because everything else seemed, it just seems so realistic. Oh, of course. And something like that happening kind of pulled me out just a bit. I agree with you there. That's probably the weakest segment for me as well.

But in a way, I found it to be kind of more of like a symbolic set piece rather than necessarily what was actually happening literally. It almost felt as though the tone of the... The second segment took on kind of a supernatural approach in a sense. Almost weird suspense kind of horrory vibe to it. And there was like a phone jump scare. And it's its own tone separate from the other two segments, which is very strange. But it still works well on its own,

even though it is a little weaker. Yeah. It's an interesting story. It's a shooting style. Yeah. It's definitely much more steady. you know, a lot more wide shots in that segment. But yeah, it's more like, I mean, like the, the dog and the situation is almost a way to bring out

the troubles in the character's relationship that are experiencing this. You know, it's a way to kind of emphasize the underlying issues that they have towards each other in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, I never, the movie definitely has realistic elements in it, but there are things like that. like where are the police? Are there police in this fucking world? It's Mexico.

Yeah, I think Mexico has some police officers in it. I think if there's a giant car crash in the intersection or if someone gets shot, fucking police will show up. Whatever. Those are little things I was like, fine. What do you guys think the mirror thing is all about? Do you notice that?

What? Lots of mirrors. Like there are loads of shots of mirrors in the movie. Did you not notice? I just kept noticing it. Is that really cool one in the bathroom where it's shot with it? There's a reflection in the mirror. Yeah, you're right.

It spins over. If you watch it again, look out for mirrors. Like, it's just this continuous theme. Like, it's in it a bunch. Yeah. I just wasn't thinking about that. Yeah. I don't know.

I just reached it out to me. It's probably looking away because all the dogs getting killed. There's definitely like a lot of different themes taking place at once in this film. It is a really loaded, packed movie. How many times have you seen it, Adam? That's a good question. Probably this is my fourth or fifth. Is it one of those films where you discover more every time or like notice things you didn't notice before?

Yeah, not in a way that like fits in a perfect puzzle though, not in a kind of like synecic-y New York or, you know. But there's definitely more to pick up on the film with each watch. I however the majority of times that I watched it I was fairly young and so it's been a while and so this this recent watching was kind of like a new experience

and a lot of what I wound up noticing on this watch were some of the elements that I did find kind of like eh kind of cheesy that I didn't really bother me as much before and then also like the thematic elements that I just didn't really give much attention to when I was younger

like one of my favorite lines from this watch was when the girl says my aunt says to make God laugh tell him your plans and I think that that is kind of just a nice line to fit with what happens to the characters

in this film you know is kind of a theme for the characters and there's several different themes going on at once in this film I liked how the non-linearity of it all wasn't over-explained. You know, it's easy for to shove text all over the screen and over-explain everything and treat the audience like idiots, but it does trust you to be able to follow what's

going on and link everything together and notice when something's in the past or the future or present and whatnot. I appreciate that element of it. The most important ones are like before the car crash after the car crash, everything else you can pretty, I mean, like it makes sense as long as you have that. And in that scene, they're all present within that scene, you know. Yeah. And it wasn't like showy or distracting. Yeah. Oh, look how artsy I am. I saw Tarantino movie. Look at how purposeful this is. Yeah. It all fit. It fit the story so well. Yeah. I'm glad I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. I really all the acting was terrific too. I don't think we mentioned that. But every performance is

fucking great. There's a lot of details in this movie in terms of how it's presented. Like they have the the you know the the the representation of the kind of like lower middle I don't know if I would call a middle class but you know like the gang sort of like lower class and then you have the higher class society and it's like okay well yeah this is being represented in a way where you know I can believe that these are kind of elite celebrity people and then the homeless man and you look at like you can see certain shots of like his hands where you can tell how long his fingernails are and how much dirt is underneath them where it's just like you you barely see movies where you'll have an actor like grow out their nails and like get them all grimy and and dirty and then show it like

it's it's very nice important details that they're like okay this is exactly how someone who's basically homeless would look and they captured it you know when it makes his change at the end more meaningful because oh yeah there's so many films where like they cast a big actor in a role and something happens to them and they're supposed to look dishevel, but they're still at the end of the day, they're still like Ryan Gosling or whatever. Yeah, exactly. They didn't stop looking like Ryan Gosling. Give him a little stubble.

Yeah, exactly. Give him a tattoo. He looks like homeless. He looked homeless. Oh, yeah. Awful. It looks like he couldn't play any other character and then you see his transformation. You're like, oh, wow.

This looks like a different person. Yeah, a completely different person. Felt a lot more purposeful without it being really forced. Effective filmmaking. Yes. It was interesting to see, because I've only seen Birdman and Revenant before this. It was interesting to see a movie from this guy that's like the exact opposite as the style in those movies, where everything's very steady and the shots are very long. And everything's very quick cut.

Lots of handheld, lots of jumping around from here to here to here. I thought all that was different. It was cool to see how far this guy has grown. Yeah. This movie was a lot less subtle in terms of the play. plot and understanding it. I mean, sure, there's a lot of details as well. But this is probably one of the most accessible films he's made in terms of the plot, I guess.

Not necessarily watching a bunch of dogs die. I guess that's a little inaccessible for people. But in terms of like following a story, this one's just like, it's so clear and just easy to tell what's going on. But it still, you know, doesn't feel dumb. The complexity comes from the characters. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. The characters were really interesting in this film. All of them, yeah. Is there anything you guys are not the hottest on? There's only one minor thing I kind of noticed, which might be different if I watch it again. But I found the sound design of the section where the lady's driving in the car right before she crashes

to be really, it was really strange. Like it was really bare. She was supposed to be driving in the car, and they keep cutting from inside the car where she's playing something out of the road. and then outside the car. I was watching it with headphones on, and it was very strange

because there was no background, like, audio around, just driving a road. Yeah, I don't know if I would be okay with that second time. I'm glad. I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice that because I thought it was my TV.

Everything, the sound design just felt, it felt kind of empty. Oh, yeah. It was like the lack of pop to it. Yeah. You just needed more bass or something. Like, something was off. Just a few more layers or something

audio in there. It made everything feel kind of cheap to me. Yeah, I don't know if that was a budgetary thing. But, yeah. Like, I would have loved to hear some ambient, just the sounds of the city, even if they're inside, just to add to the environment some more. I want to know what the budget of this film was. I want to know if it's public.

It was only a couple million, I think. Yeah. I looked at it early. It's like how much post did it have. Yeah, two million USD. Yeah, two million. Wow. Like, for that stuff, all you have to do is just leave a microphone on and the location

you're filming on for like a little bit. So I don't understand why they didn't do that. That's why I was wondering if it was actually an intentional thing that I like missed or something. If it is an intentional thing, I don't... Yeah, I don't get it either. Yeah, I mean, on a first feature, you're less likely to have every detail down.

And so I don't know how much of this he was actually overseeing himself or how much was just outsourced, you know, like the sound design to... to another company or individual. So he's definitely improved over the years, that's for sure. Like the sound design and Revenant and Birdman, much improved. Except in the Revenant, there's that weird part where the voice is out of sync for some reason. But anyway, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, there's always going to be stuff like that. I forgave it, but it was a thing I noticed, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how empty the sound felt. The only issues I really have with it is just, you know, the first watch, it's like it's so easy to get sucked into. and it still holds up on multiple watches for sure. Like, I'm enjoying it every time. But on my most recent watch,

I did feel like some parts were a little like cheesy, you know? Like, it's like, eh, things that I would be like kind of like, really for any other movie. But it's still to me. Yeah, yeah. But the benefits of this movie outweigh the flaw is by a lot. Yeah, definitely. Considering, you know, it feels like a classic film from the year 2000.

And it's on the IMDB top 250, so apparently other people agree. Although that list is not exactly the most credible thing anymore. Avengers Infinity War is on there. Let's see. What is it? Number one now. Get Out's number one. Yeah, I have no idea.

Oh, yeah, Avengers Infinity War, number 15, best movie of all time. I'm not even kidding. Wow, okay. Yeah, they need to have a better system. They need to have a better system so that like new movies that a lot of people are voting on don't just get artificially inflated, you know? Yeah, well, Love on a Leash has a 10 out of 10,

so it should be in the top 250. No, you need a certain amount of ratings. Well, it has 4,000 ratings, is that enough? Yeah, I think you need more like 20,000. I think you have to get over 100K, didn't you? Come on, dude, like 4,000 ratings, 10 out of 10? I'd put that in the top 250. Hmm.

I still need to see it. Yeah, you should. I would love to watch that movie. Another great dog movie. It's very similar to this. It has a lot of similar themes, actually. Yeah, a lot of love and dogs, and that's about it. Amazing soundtrack.

Are you guys going to check out more Inieri two films, I guess? Yeah, I hope to do it for sure. I would love to hear your guys' thoughts on his films in between this and Birdman, because a lot of them are really divisive in ways. It's the Brad Pitt one, isn't there? Yeah, yeah, and I really I really I still love that film from memory like I haven't watched it in a while also Yeah, there are parts to his films that like I guess seeing a lot of them in succession They start to feel like over dramatic in a sense

Where it almost just feels like like the priorities of the film or are the conflict in a sense But yeah anyway, I'll have to see it again Yeah, there's a lot of cool themes that I love in in Babel for sure and Beautiful is awesome depressing is shit movie. Anyway, highly recommend at least checking them out just to see what they're like for yourself.

That's cinema, though, being as dramatic. That's drama. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a great movie. Five out of five, I think, if you're going to do ratings at this point. Great movie. What about you, Alex?

Either four and a half or five, yeah. All my complaints are basically nitpicks or just small little things. The overall picture is extremely solid. It's definitely not for everyone, especially for people who love dogs. But there's that type of person who can't deal with it, with the dog thing. So warning to those of you, if you haven't seen the film and you're still convincing. Don't watch this movie with the dog in the room.

Because there's a lot of, like, like dogs in the sound. And my dog kept walking. Like, what's going on? Yeah, wow. I didn't think so bad while I was watching it. Oh, no. Aw. I'm sorry for traumatizing your dogs.

It's okay. You forgot about it. Yeah, I would give this, I give this a 10. It's either that or a 9.5, but I don't think IMDB lets me do that. So, I mean, round it up to a 10. It's not a, it's not like a completely flawless movie. It is a little cheesy, as I said. But what it achieves and like the emotions that it brings out,

it's a very unique, very watchable, very entertaining film. very well-paced for like what two and a half hours yeah never boring never boring is this your favorite movie from him I think I think after watching it this most recent time I would have to I know I said it was better than Birdman I think I they're tied right now they're both

they both excel at different things they're both great in their own way and they're almost you know they're almost difficult to compare because they're just so incredibly different in terms of what their tone what their style and what their goals are like in different movies you can barely tell us the same director honestly I was about to say the same I mean like you wouldn't even know if it wasn't an IMDB yeah yeah that's a good

sign of growth yeah it's insane hear that West Anderson oh well yeah I'm I'm excited to see what he comes up with because like it seems as though he's like in his prime right now for like Revenant and Birdman those are like two very impressive films, at least from like a presentation directoral standpoint that he's made in a row, two years in a row. He also made, I don't know if you're aware of this, he made a virtual reality short film

that screened it can one year. And I don't know if that's ever going to be released in a way that I could see it, but I really fucking want to. Yeah, 2017, it's called Karni Arena. And my accent is terrible. but holy shit like just if anybody could make a cool short VR film it's like seven minutes long

it would be him I would love to see that yeah they had a complete VR installation a can last year that's cool that would have been fucking cool to see anyway awesome movie I guess we're moving on to questions let's pull them up oh I got logged out of Twitter for some reason well I got some here

where did these questions come from our Reddit page or slash SardanaCast If you want to ask questions Go to SardanaCast Reddit And we'll look at them Some of them

I'm happy about how enthusiastic you are Mentioning the Reddit I'm so fucking pumped Gosh where did all this excitement come from I don't know These questions must be pretty damn good Do you snort some Cocaine

Yeah Whoa All right Great impression Should I pull one out Should I pull one out of the hat Yeah go ahead We got a one

here from mediocre cartoonist who asks, what is, in your opinion, the best action scene ever? Hmm. Go ahead. There's three action scenes in the film, Children of Men. And all three of them are fucking awesome.

Yeah. Yeah. And each one is like almost as good as the last. Like sometimes they're better. The first action scene with, there's a, it's all one take in a car and they're being chased. That one's amazing, yeah. Yeah. It's, you're just.

incredible. And when you look at the behind the scenes of how they did it, it's like they rigged the whole car to the seats to go down when the camera goes over it. Oh, that's awesome. It's really so much coordination in that film. Yeah. And then there's this giant rig on top of the car. It's so cool. And then you got the last action scene, which is one take as Clive Owen's running through the apocalypse and there's like a tank fucking shooting buildings. Oh yeah. Oh my God. How did you coordinate all this? It's amazing. So yeah, I have to go with those. And Mad Max Fury Road the entire movie is the second. Best action scene.

All right. It was just saying the raid like a cheat. No, go for it. Raid has some awesome ones. The Raid 2, I think, especially. I also like the Corridor fight and Old Boy. Oh, fuck that. That was my answer.

Why did you pick two? Oh, really? I have one more, too. Oh, there's a bunch. We can go through. I like the Helms Deep battle, if that counts as like an action. Just for you.

Just for the insane scale of it. I think that was really impressive. That scene in Old Boy is very incredibly impactful to me because, first of all, just what the film sets up beforehand and like the desperation and the character at that point. And then second, just I love how far back the camera is in a perspective that you can never get from like actually filming in a hallway. Like you have to kind of create a set for it. But it still seems realistic because of just. how we imagine it above and below area

are just kind of blacked out. And then on top of that, all of the choreography that went into it is just, it's one of few fight scenes where it's like, okay, this is believable. Because every other location that you get for a fight scene, it's like, okay, well, there's so many opportunities where all these henchmen can come at this guy at once

from like four different angles. But in a hallway, it's more believable because there's only two angles to work with. And you see the henchmen or whatever you want to call them, like all these guys that he's fighting, the ones that aren't attacking yet, you can see this, like,

confused and almost, like, paralyzed fear on their face where it's like, okay, like, that guy's fucking idiot, right? But it's not in a way where it seems just, like, incredibly convenient. And there are parts where, like,

they all attack him at once, you know? And they're, like, kicking him on the ground, and it seems like he's fucking done. But he gets out of it, and it's all, like, it's one of the most realistic fight scenes I've ever seen in my life, and it's just so cool.

And it's a great, movie too I would recommend that to anybody who hasn't seen it yeah make sure you see the original from 2003 not that shit spike Lee 2013 remake where they did not give any kind of a shit about any of the stuff we're talking about that makes the movie special don't watch that one but they but they imitated the uh the hallway fight scene yeah they did and it's like fighting in front of a fence yeah it's like why is there this fence in front of it yeah it's like None of it is done well. I hate that movie so fucking much.

I love how clumsy that fight scene an old boy is, where it's just like people are getting hit, and they're like on the floor, and they're constantly missing each other. And of course, Spike Lee goes against that. I hate... It's just embarrassing. Spike Lee's version, he's a piece of shit.

Just for that movie? I like Spike Lee a lot. Like, I love him, but yeah, that's not one of his best movies. Do you love Miracle on the St. or whatever that one was called. I haven't seen it. It was bad. Okay.

I love action scenes that are clumsy like that, which is also why I love that children of men fight scene. Yeah. I think it's good to mention also Saving Private Ryan, which is basically, I think that movie innovated action scenes instead. Oh, yeah. Like a whole new precedent. That opening Omaha battle is incredible,

and that town fight at the end is incredible. And each scenes like 20 minutes. long and there's no music and it's just horrifying to watch. So bless that movie as well. I'll have to throw in a variety of scenes from Kill Bill. I love Kill Bill. Yeah. Like those are those are super fun, crazy 88 scene and like just how that transitions like action

into action into action. Like the crazy 88s are done and then she fights the fucking crazy ball and chain girl. I forget her name before Oren Ishi-E, you know? Like there's so much. much in that fucking movie. Even the fight scene between Umah Thurman and Vivica A. Fox is just awesome. And it's a short one at the beginning of the movie. Like, some of the best fight scenes are in Kill Bill.

I love that movie for a variety of reasons. Great, campy action. I love movies that have, like, there's this big buildup to this giant action set piece rather than having a few little ones. Kill Bill has that little one at the beginning. But the rest of the movie is just a buildup to this epic fucking scene. What about the end? The prison transfer in The Dark Night.

Oh, that's a great one too. I was thinking about that. Some of the editing's a little weird, but it doesn't really bother me because the sound design is so good. Yeah. Another one I can shout out is the intro, Casino Royale,

with the park all over the cranes and stuff. Yeah, that's a fucking good one. Oh, my God. Oh, Scott Pogrom. Scott Pogrom has some great campy fight scenes. I love them. Each of them are so, you know, unique. Hot Fuzz has some fun ones too.

Speaking of it, right? Oh, yeah, another one I should probably shout out the basketball scene from Catwoman, 2000. That one of the best filmed action scenes I've ever seen. How about the fight scene between Electranachios and Daredevil? At the playground. Fighting a blind man. And Daredevil.

Yeah. Because he's trying to get laid. Yeah, and they're balancing on the seesaws. That's such a great movie. She still believes that he's completely blind after that, even though they're fighting in this fucking play. Not a good movie. Such a good movie.

He's such a creep. He's basically lying about his disability. He can see with like echolocation anyway. Basically. He can see people smoke. I don't know if animated movies count, but these, the fight scenes in the Incredibles are pretty fun. Yeah.

I mean, I know it's animated, so it's not as cool, but just... It's pretty cool. It's well choreographed. They're well choreographed and animated. All right. I think that's enough. Yeah, that's late. We listed quite a few.

Alex, you got those questions. I have one here from the movie bagel who asks, have you ever had a strong reaction from watching a movie? Some examples would be a movie making you feel sick or a movie making you feel really anxious or stressed. I have quite a good one to start us off. I think someone actually replied to this question in the Reddit with the same answer, but mine would be nocturnal animals.

That movie, I really really, really adore that movie, but it made me feel quite ill for a couple of days after that one. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great movie. Which made it that much more effective to me. Yeah, I got to see that at Tiff. One of my favorites now, nocturnal animals. Amoros Peros did a pretty good job. Yeah, that is a good answer for that. Aside from that, I'd say Contagin by Steven Sotoberg. Interesting. The movie's about virus breaks out and kills a lot of people, and that's all the movie's about. And it's just like a realistic depiction of what would happen

and I just find that scenario so terrifying of just like this one virus can just fucking kill half the population in the world. I fucking swear they strategically timed the release of that movie with like when people would be the most likely to be catching colds.

It seemed around that movie everybody had a fucking cold so like people would be coughing in the theater or some shit like you know they show that scene of you know just the guy going like on the bus and it's like any other scenario would be the most innocent thing in the world everybody was fucking paranoid when that movie came out

it was kind of funny to see what it did to people he did he did such a good job like he would show close-ups of people touching things like there's no avoiding these fucking germs once something like this starts it's basically like the moral of the story is you're fucked yeah it's a very paranoia inducing film that's for sure yeah and that's it and then in terms of other like reactions I guess

like Antichrist would be one for me, like, especially a scene at the beginning. Just like, it's a very unique film that kind of made me feel like, you know, almost ill in a sense. And then Dear Zachary is just like a fucking punch to the gut. Hmm. Yeah, there's, I mean, the most unique films will have the most unique feelings. So, yeah, there's tons of movies that get emotional reactions at me,

even though to many people it doesn't seem like it. After Earth is a great one. Well, if you're going to go through bad movies, there's a lot of great bad movies that evoke strong reactions out of you. The last airbender. Yeah, that's a pretty strong reaction. I cried. Is sleeping a strong reaction? Because all the DC movies, they made me fall asleep.

Yeah, I think that counts. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Did I ever tell you that I fell asleep in the film titled Awake? and I realized how funny it was when I woke up no it wasn't intentional it was just so boring it had Jessica Alba and then Hayden Christensen it was really bad and I legitimately fell asleep in that movie

and I woke up and I started laughing isn't she in a coma or someone's in a coma yeah and they could hear everything it's supposed it's a horror kind of movie and it's like oh she has locked in syndrome and the aesthetics aren't working but then it takes it so much further than just being a simple concept and there's this whole dumb fucking like oh but secretly it's all part of a conspiracy thing in it and I was like oh fuck okay yeah interesting it was really boring I bet it sounds fucking boring yeah are we done with

that one yeah I guess so all right this one's from a Hanky Chan my boy fit you boy you know Hanky Chan Hanky Chan is a poster on my subreddit and I think a patron of mine also and the the username comes from my favorite director Michelle Hanukkah and I have called him Hanky Chan before for some reason So okay well you have been noticed by the gods Hanky Chan yes So he just asked what's your favorite video game simple? We've never said our favorite video game Halo combat evolved Hmm interesting okay yeah favorite of all time awesome take it's something that I could always go back to

Halo 1 specifically, like 2 and 3 have their own fun elements, I guess, and then 4 is and then 5 is just not even playable, but Halo 1 is like my go-to experience. I was playing it today, actually, yeah. It's my any time, any feeling kind of game. I'll always go back to it. I'll always want to do like the original multiplayer and co-op and Halo, the anniversary collection, or not the collection, the anniversary edition. on the 360.

I think that's the only, like, full game that I've ever gotten 100% achievements on. And I'm trying to do that on the Master Chief Collection right now. Yeah. I've been trying for a while, and it's very tedious, especially because of how broken the game is and how achievements don't work sometimes.

But I love the original Halo to death. Soundtrack, amazing, story, awesome, like, everything about it. The playability, the weapons, like, everything just flows so fucking well. So much fun. jumping around and yeah I just I have a blast playing that game that's cool I also love Halo but it's not my pick for now I'm gonna pick um inside is my favorite that's a good

you guys played that yes yeah it's okay I like I like it's okay um yeah I don't know I replayed it recently yeah yeah it's a really fun one really cool one yeah I like um I like kind of like small team developer games like that that can bring a lot to the table. Yeah, I just found it really refreshing. And you considered it a lot better than Limbo? You played Limbo as well? Yeah, I do. I way prefer it over Limbo.

It's recent, though. You'd still consider it your favorite game, even though you've recently? One I've played recently, I guess. Like, for me, like, a great game? Oh, okay. Well, like, a great game for me is when you play, like, just your whole fucking life, and you always go back to it. Eh?

I don't know. Like my second favorite game is The Witness, and that's a fairly recent game. And, you know, I don't need to play it a million times for it to understand that the experience I got on my first playthrough is one of the most meaningful experiences I've ever had playing a game. There's also a lot of content in The Witness, too. Like inside is, I think, two or three hours long, right? Yeah, you can do it in like two and a half hours. Yeah. So, I don't know.

I mean, it's your right to think that. But for me, my answer would be, it's your right. GTA 4 Oh yeah And I guess GTA 5 Since it's just GTA 4 But an update I played that game so much

And all you do is just fucking Like the story is fine and all that But I was just like going around the city Exploring and shooting people And fucking around with friends I've had so much fun I could get into GTA 5 Much easier than I could GTA 4

Yeah GTA 4 is definitely clunkier But I like the clumsiness of the controls and that. To me, that makes it more fun. That you're just chasing after someone, you'll get fucking hit by a car, or you'll miss your punch or something. It just makes it that much more intense.

Five is definitely smoother. But yeah, I love five, too. And these are VR mod for five. How do you guys feel about Red Dead? Oh, man, yeah, that's a great game. I can't wait for the sequel. Yeah. That would be third for me.

Yeah. Again, it's just, I do whatever I want in a Western setting. Yeah, that's one of the, I think that was the first kind of open world, like rock star-ish style game where I actually continued with the story and did what I was supposed to do instead of just dicking around and getting bored and shutting it off. Yeah, I actually cared about my reputation in that. Yeah. Like, oh, I want to be a good person. I liked the progression of the game overall. It was a nice kind of story, even though it wasn't like overly complicated or anything.

on my first play-through of the game as soon as I got to like the town kind of area where like the buildings are a little newer I went to the bar and I pushed people up the stairs because if you like run into them you can kind of like push them in a certain direction and then I learned how to push them out of the window

at the top of the bar and they die but it wouldn't register in the game that I killed them so there would be nobody after me and so I spent like hours doing this and I pushed like the entire bar out of the window until there was just this pile of bodies and so much blood on the floor in the entrance of this bar. And it was so fucking crazy because I learned about this detail that they put in the game where if people walk over blood on the ground, they leave bloody footprints. And so I go back into the bar and there's bloody footprints all over the fucking bar of people just casually walking around having drinks and all these dead bodies in front of it.

It looked like something out of like The Shining. It was so crazy. It was a lot of fun. Did you ever just like, you tie people up and put like 10 of them on a railway track? No, I didn't do that. I'm a train to come. I love doing that shit.

It's a great game. I cannot wait for the sequel. It's so good. I'm so excited, actually. Rockstar always does a great job. I love Max Payne 3 as well. Except L.A. Noir, but I think that was a side studio or something. Yeah, that was Team Bandai, I think, made that.

And L.A. Noir is fun. in a different way. I could only play the VR version. I got very disappointed with the actual version when it came out. Because when it was coming out, I was like, I was hoping for like Red Dead, you know?

Yeah, I rented the game and I like smoked a big bowl because I was like 15 or something, like 17. I don't know. But I was like ready to get invested. I was taking it super seriously. And like, as I was playing the game, I'm like, this is fucking stupid.

What a waste of that. What a waste of. of technology. They use that, like, facial capture shit, where it's like, the whole marketing behind the game was like, oh, you can see every detail in the actor's performance. You can see every little flinch of their eyes. And the key part of the game is to be able to tell whether or not they're lying.

But then all the acting sucked. They all overact to everything. I'm telling the truth right now, wink, wink. Yeah, and it looks like they sat on a cactus or something. It's like, yeah, you're clearly lying. Then they changed this for the VR version, I guess, because it was so fucking stupid. But they had this, when you were interrogating people, it was like truth, lie or doubt. But they never at any point really ironed out the difference between lie and doubt to a point where I was just like, I used it in one context.

I was like, doubt. And then it was like, no, it was the wrong one. I'm like, okay. And so then later in the game, there was like an identical scenario. I'm like, okay, so this time it has to be lie. right? And it's like, no, it's doubt. And they just seemed interchangeable. But yeah, they got that out of the VR version. I replayed it recently, the whole thing with, like, friends of mine. And we just fucked up everything. We got one star. We ran over people constantly.

Tons of damage. And we still, like, nothing happened. There were no consequences for any of it. Wow. I don't think we got a single question right, the entire playthrough. Yeah. It's not a very good game. No, it isn't. But the VR ones really funny. Yeah. They're just a dick around. What's the fun of being a cop? It's like GTA if you couldn't kill people. That's what L.A. Noir is.

It's boring. I want to hit people. All right, do we have one more question to wrap it up? One more. I don't know. If you have one more, then we can do one more, yeah. I get loads of them, so I just go into we're done. One more.

I noticed we got a lot of questions about a certain idea or concept. That concept being the idea of the, of objectivity. Let me just choose one of them, because there were like three or four people that all lost basically the same thing. I would pick this one from Darth Little, who says, is there any objective, i.e., can a film be objectively good slash bad, value to film or is it all inherently subjective? people respond to different aspects of filmmaking differently and see meaning and purpose in different choices made by the filmmakers that others don't so I believe it is entirely subjective. Yeah, I agree with that.

Yeah? I agree with that in the same way that I agree with by technicality everything ever is subjective because the only lens in which we can view the world is through our own subjective experience. But I will use, I guess, kind of an analogy in a sense that there's no such thing as being truly unbiased. Like, everyone has a bias no matter what in the same way that everything is subjective. But you can still be less biased.

You can still be less subjective, you know. There are certain elements where you can say, like, are pushing more towards objective, even though they could never, ever achieve true objectivity. But you could say that there are more objective-ish element. than subjective-ish elements as long as I guess most people agree to that in some sort of sense. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Like in the same, like music is an art form, but music theory is is math, you know? Yeah. In the same sense, I think there are some measurable, like, qualities. Like in suicide squad, there's a part where the text is like black, on like a black background and you can't see it. Like that, I don't know how you could ever defend something like that. Well, you could say, well, the characters are evil. So they put black texts. And it's like blurring the line between, like, you could come up with some shit.

Yeah. It's hard also to argue against plot holes that have a ton of, like, evidence that are going against them, you know? Yeah. Yeah. The film not being able to, like, follow its own rules is, you know, I would say a more objective complaint than subjective. Yeah. There are more objective complaints and there are like

filmmaking guidelines that we all basically agree with are good. Like if you have a sound in the background, that's usually not good. Or if the camera's out of focus. Yeah, exactly. The camera's out of focus, right? Yeah, that's not good. Certain elements and qualities where

there's obviously a goal that the director has in mind or that an audience has in mind for what makes a film, quote unquote, good, but everyone's emotional and personal experience watching the film is still subjective by default. So whether or not you liked it

is just a completely subjective thing. Or when you say, I would have preferred for this to happen, even though there's not anything technically wrong with how it was presented, but I would have preferred this. Like, that's incredibly subjective. It comes down to how intentional you think certain things are. like David Lynch Inland Empire

looks like shit right but I guess people thought it was intentional I'm like yeah some of it's intentional maybe not so I guess that's another deciding factor is if the filmmaker actually wanted to make something look bad or if he made a mistake

well yeah I mean the more who knows the more cryptic and metaphorical your film is the more subjective people's experiences are going to be because it is difficult to tell what's intentional and what isn't when so much of a film is non-literal, right? But when it's being played very straight, then it is easier to kind of pick, pick out those points.

At the end of the day, the emotional experience is what I would say would be the most subjective in terms of what you can get out of the film. Because you can say something like, that film wasn't funny, but to a lot of people it was. You know, like a sense of humor is incredibly subjective. Yeah. I mean, let's look at a film like. rampage, which I've seen. Oh, great.

Technically, it's a perfect movie because all the sound design is good and like the visual effects are good. And, you know, it's in focus. So why is a movie like that bad? There you go. You fucking nailed it on that one. It isn't. That's right.

It's a five out of five. I wish I could comment on that film, but I haven't seen it. That'll be my next film recommendation. I flipped a coin before going in to either ready player one. or Rampage and it landed on Ready Player 1. Oh, wow. Oh, really? So that's how you're excited.

Yeah. All right. Well, good job, everybody. Good answers, everybody. All right. Uh-huh. So now we are moving into the end of our podcast where another film gets recommended. And we have a recommendation from Ralph because...

It's me this week. Oh, okay. How is it happening this week? Oh, yeah. Wait. I'm so confused My schedule is so out of whack Are we doing the thing?

Yeah, let's cut it out Let's cut this out Yeah, we'll cut this out Chris is the next episode It's the one after So I'm going to recommend Mommy What? Let's, I could check my calendar

Because we're recording Double check No, it is the next episode That's two weeks from now Okay, so it is Ralph then So I guess I'm going to recommend the movie Yes Because we have a special guest coming on

Yes, we have a special guest next week Probably And that special guest is Movie Bob, everybody. We're going to watch We're going to watch the film Mommy Which is by What the fuck's his name?

Felix What the fuck's the guy's name who made it? Xavier Dolan Exovier Dolan Filmed by Xavier Dolan in 2014 It's an excellent movie And we're going to show it to our guest Coming on next podcast

Chris Stuckman world or noun film critic Chris Stuckner I can't wait I don't think Alex has seen it I've seen it I haven't know I would love to talk about it on the podcast Ralph and I kind of talked we

we figured it's something that we wanted to introduce to Chris so that's why we're kind of doing the recommendations out of order so I guess Alex you'll be next week or something we'll figure it out but we kind of wanted to line it up with the schedules and when we could get guests so

Chris Stuckold Prepare to get stuckmanized, everybody. Oh, hell. Still his intro. Nice. Yes. And if for some odd reason, he responds that he's not available that day, then we'll just record an alternate ending or something.

Do an alternate ending. Yeah, we should have one ready just in case. So if you're hearing this ending... You could do like a text-to-speech program. Oh, yeah, that's funny. If you're hearing this ending on the podcast, then Chris Stuckman is confirmed for next episode. Yeah.

Good. And yeah, I guess that makes another episode. Another one for the books. If you want to join in on the discussion for the film Mommy, make sure to watch the film before two weeks from when you hear this.

And it will be a spoiler discussion. If you would like to support the podcast, we all have our own YouTube channels that you can subscribe to and some of us have Patreon's too. We will be having a website. site apparently so stay tuned for that

we're still looking to get approved on Spotify aren't we I think we're still just waiting back on that it's all screwed up yeah we're trying to get on Spotify but apparently they all have to be approved I'm trying to monitor sound cloud they're like nah

yeah we're having some difficulties but we're working on it boys so uh give us a break guys all right yeah we're trying we're doing our best we're trying really hard all right That's it. Thank you, everybody.

Bye-bye. Thanks for this thing, folks. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.