Sardonicast - Sardonicast 101: Eternals, Antichrist

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

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Three, two, one. Sardana cast, Sardana cast. And that's about as much as I'm singing before I get copyright claimed, probably. That's from 101 Dalmatian, because this is episode 101. This is Adam from your movie sex. Oh, you beat me to the joke. Oh. I'm Alex from my H.E.

Yeah, I was going to make you 101 Dalmatians joke. Oh, what were you going to say? I should have recommended it for this episode. I was going to make some, yeah. Fuck. Yeah, well, I'm glad you didn't. Because I had just seen it. Yeah, yeah.

Ralph. What's up? How are you? The sassy Baca, everybody. Oh, but yeah, I got to introduce myself. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ralph the Movie Maker at YouTube. com slash Robblinemek. We did it. How's everybody doing? Good. I wanted to get right into Eternals, but. But there's some movie thing. And movie news.

I mean, we could say that it doesn't really matter. I just usually like to get the movie news stuff out of the way. Yeah, okay. There's got to be something interesting happening. There's a couple kind of funny things happening. One of them is Ridley Scott. Blaming millennials for the last dual bombing. I don't understand why when it was, like, I watched the trailer.

It was one of those things where it was like, oh, are people talking about this? No, not really. you know like I didn't any of us seen it no no but he's like this is this is for people who don't spend their lives on their phones like it's a really a dismissive weird way of looking at the world here let's see I'll here's the full quote I think what it boils down to what we've got today are audiences who were brought up on these fucking cell phones the millennial Do not ever want to be taught anything unless you're told it on a cell phone, Scott said. This is a broad stroke, but I think we're dealing with it right now with Facebook.

This is a misdirection that has happened where it's given the wrong kind of confidence to this latest generation, I think. Boomer. What else can you say that? Yeah, just blame the audience. Yeah. There's so many attempts. around me from people I know and people in my chat or whatever to be like, man, zoomers are so fucked because they were raised in this way and they have the car,

blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm just like, people are saying that about our generation. Like, don't turn into that, you know, don't be that guy that everybody turns into or girl, you know, like, don't just turn into a boomer because things are different for the younger generation. And anyway, I'm sure there'll be plenty of zoomers that will watch it on their phone and become fans of him as a result. I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, they're going to watch it on their phone.

So they're like, wow, it's great. If it's great, I don't know. People were saying it's like, oh, this is underrated, but I don't know. It looks pretty average to me. I'll check it out, maybe. He also directs way two movies too quickly. Like, he's got House of... Well, he directed two movies this year, yeah.

Coming out. House of Gucci. So that was both him. I was confused by that. Yeah. Very close proximity. Man, that is close. Busy boy.

That last stool was like two hours, over two hours long. Yeah. Yeah, two and a half. thousand look out of here. Long-ass movie. He's promoting his movie in theaters by complaining about his other movie in theaters not being watched.

Yeah. It's like, I don't know. People are going to watch. Is the House of Gucky? Is it out right now already? I think it's just coming out now, right? Like, people are going to watch that, probably. It has the word Gucky in it.

People wear Gucky. There's the right actors in it. Just the last duel looks so generic. Like, if you're a marketing, team trying to create a trailer for a movie. They did a great job if they were trying to make it look like a billion things I've already seen before. Otherwise, they did not do a good job at selling the movie.

Yeah. Yeah, it looks pretty thorough. He directed Alien, so I'm not going to shit on him too hard. He directed Alien Covenant, Ralph. Yeah. What do you say about that? Yeah. I'm still directed alien.

I'm gladiator. Black Hawk Down. Yeah, he's directed great movies. absolves him from everything. He's a little old. You're right. He's a real Roman Polansky. He's an old fart.

He's just like, yeah. Fucking phones. I don't know why he always put fucking in front of like the cell phones, right? It's a personal fan head. Angry and aggressive. It's always very aggressive. It's what's killing movies. Like, I don't know.

Maybe. Not really. These kids fucking cell phones. Yeah He's seen Spike Jones as her too many times He thinks we're at that stage Yeah He thinks they're fucking cell phones

He's fucking their cell phones Yeah damn it Taking away from the movie industry Yeah Not too much to say about that other than he's a boomer And Yeah he's old Just teasing him

He's still directed alien Yeah Okay There's another movie news thing that I wanted to mention. I thought that you two would find this interesting. Vin Diesel has made a public plea to Dwayne Johnson

to return to Fast and Furious Ten on his Instagram. And it's really funny, just the way that this is phrased, it's like just so much more dramatic than you would expect for this type of story, he says, my little brother, Dwayne, the time has come.

The world awaits the finale of Fast 10. As you know my children refer to you as uncle dwayne in my house there is not a holiday that goes by that they that they and you don't send well wishes but the time has come legacy awaits i told you years ago that i was going to fulfill my promise to pablo i swore that we would reach and manifest the best fest in the finale that is 10 that's what it says yeah i'm reading too yeah i say this out of love but you must show up. Do not leave the franchise idol. You have a very

important role to play. Hobbs can't be played by no other. I hope that you rise to the occasion. Hobbs. And fulfill your destiny. Like, why is this public? Hobbs can't be played by no other.

Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, why is this public? The sanctity of the Fast and Furious franchise. We can't. The pictures, like, the two of them together, like a still Yeah, they're about to kiss. So like, it's really weird.

Yeah, 2 million likes. It's really funny. I wonder if that's serious or like, I don't know. I have no fucking idea. Were they publicly like beefing before? Because I didn't even heard about the Tyrese drama. Oh, what? I have no idea.

Yeah, Tyrese got angry at the Rock for doing the, remember the spinoff one, Hobbs and Shore with like brownheads and and everything? You got angry at him for making that because he wasn't in it and he wanted, you know, wanted money, I guess. It always comes down to money. That's funny. But while the Rock not be in it. It's a funny thing.

They're probably paying him more for other movies because he's like the highest paid actor in Hollywood still, I think. He's got a high price day. How long do you think Fast and Furious can keep him, you know? True. Yeah. It's kind of a, I don't know if it's an ego thing. It's definitely like, Dwayne Johnson's a leading man and so is Vin Diesel. So that kind of their budding heads.

Yeah. Like there's a thing in their contract. I don't know. This kind of public that like they can't. want a fight or they can't lose a fight sorry, neither of them can lose a fight. That is so lame and anti-action hero to me too. It's so stupid. So it's stuff like that.

It's not really a beef. It's just like their images are kind of clashing. It's kind of interesting, but that's an interesting proposition, it's very silly. Like, it's like larping, which

I guess Vin Diesel loves doing it. He's like a nerd who loves D&D and stuff, can you? Yeah. He wrote that. Yeah, exactly. It's a character with Fast and Furious, too. Because, you know, it's like the dumbest franchise.

Yeah. The Rock has a lot of other things going on. For him, I'm not sure Vin Diesel does. What is Vin Diesel in other than Fast and Furious right now? Yeah. I guess that's why he's begging him on Instagram. Please help my movie succeed. Oh, he's in Guardians, I guess.

He does Groo. He was in Bloodshot. That was pretty cool. Yeah. There's another one of those coming out, I guess? That's all he says. Yeah, he says, I'm Groot. This is a third one.

He's in the Avengers, too, you know, because Groot's in those. Yeah. They're filming in the third way. Yeah, exactly. It's not a hard role. I had forgotten if a third Guardians of the Galaxy had come out already or not. It could be either way for me until I saw that IMDB page. Well, thanks, Vin Diesel, for

publicly trying to convince your friend who you say is like your best friend ever and your children send Christmas letters too but you need to do it publicly to I guess I don't know shame him into being in the next movie like what's that thanks yeah everyone go to his Instagram and leave a comment yeah it's like applying public pressure on somebody to do something like that yeah like that's weird you could just if it means a lot to you and you're such great friends you could just tell them like a real person

and not do it publicly. Unless it's just a publicity stunt or something, I don't know. Eternal's. Good segue. Oh. We watched it. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, Jesus.

Did we watch it? Ralph had an out-of-body experience. Yeah. It gave me an out-of-body experience. Oh. Just pure boredom. Yeah. Yeah, form of sleep.

Yeah, I transcended my body in boredom, pure boredom. It's been a while since I've been, I felt like trapped in a movie theater. Just like, what section of the movie am I in right now? Like, what act is this? Like, what is this building to? And it didn't really build too much in the end. And it's just kind of, just kind of miserably bored for its runtime. I can't believe it for just all the star power.

And there's just the mistakes that superhero movies have been making for years, you know, like, too many villains in this movie, but this is taking it to the next level where it's like, we're going to be really bullsy and establish 12 characters at the same time, you know? Yeah, they are blowing their low load a little early. Right, in a universe that already has like tons of other things happening. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

They're too busy. But it's kind of a different visual, like, tone. Like, it's kind of weird for a Marvel movie. It looks more like a Chloe Zal movie for a lot of it, but it's trying to wedge in that Marvel humor at the same time and these kind of awkward references to the stuff you'd expect. Like, oh, yeah, is this made of vibranium? Is this fun?

I mean, you say it looks like a Chloe sound movie. I think it looks bad. It looks bad. That's how I think it looks. I mean, yeah. I think it just looks bad. I can understand people that say that, though. Because it is like the tone of this Marvel film is weirdly, like, detached.

But who knows whether or not that was like an intentional thing from Chloe? You know, maybe it's just how it turned out. because the characters aren't properly developed. Who knows? Maybe she is doing a weird. There's a lot of writers credited. It feels completely disconnected. It feels like it's not even part of, like, the rest of what's been going on.

It doesn't really set up anything either. That's not anything interesting. We can get into it. Spoiler section. Spoilers. This feels like the most personal story out of every Marvel film that I've ever seen. Like there's no journey in this film. It's kind of just you're watching characters.

Yeah, there's no origin really. Yeah, they're so detached. Yeah, like who's the main eternal? Who gets the most development? Circe. And that was distracting. I don't know if it was for you. Because, you know, you have Searcy and then Richard Badden and, you know, John

Snow and Rob Starker in the movie saying, I love you, Circe or whatever. I just get to get a Game of Thrones. I just, they all have. different accents and so throughout the film I heard Circee I heard Sussie I heard seriously And at the very I'm not even kidding yeah At one point she was definitely called Sussie by somebody And at the very beginning of the film when she when she introduced herself

He's like I'm I'm icarus or whatever and she's like I'm sassy I swear to God she said I'm sassy the music If her name was Sussie Baca I would have liked the movie Oh yeah I wish that was most sass in the movie I wish there was a bit more personality. I was so confused. Yeah. Yeah, I was confused too.

I think it was Circe, but it was spelled differently than the Game of Thrones. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I don't know what this movie was trying to do. Like, one of the characters was Sprite. That was her name? Yeah, well, did you think of Sprite, Ralph? Thought she sucked.

Who was that? It was like the child that was... No, the eternal was trapped in the body of a child that wouldn't age, so she was... She didn't get to live a normal life. Yeah, she was in love with Richard Madden. but they could never be together because she was in the body of the child. But she's really like a thousand-year-old man or woman, a thousand-year-old woman. You know, like, they're all thousands of years old.

So I don't understand. Like, it just doesn't, like, why would you even want to think about that in a Marvel movie, well? It is, it is weird. Yeah, it's weird concept. They spend a lot of time justifying a lot of weird shit in this movie. And, like, half the dialogue is like, here's why we didn't stop 9-11. Like, what the fuck? Because when wars happen, the population increases.

Yeah, what did you think of that subtle moment? We have to let them nuke each other. They're not allowed to interfere with humanity, but they've got to just watch it. They said that only when the deviants are involved, like, can they interfere? But then they justify it later by saying that they were only allowed to interfere when the deviance were involved, because the deviance were killing the human population, whereas nukes weren't and we're increasing the population because

the medicine and science that happens during war is a good thing. It's like, you're taking a lot of risk by letting nukes go off, though, first of all. Second, they casually just explained like, oh yeah, none of us did anything during the Thanos snap. But they flat out said that because of the Thanos snap, that the big boy, whatever his name was,

the thing that they're trying to birth out of the planet. They specifically stated, this was delayed by like four years because of this. So it's like, well, why weren't they allowed to help out then? Because the other ones that they weren't allowed to help out with, that was justified by saying, no, the population increased. And so it's just like, they're spending so much fucking time trying to explain this shit that just makes less and less sense the more they explain it. And it's like half the movie.

It's so weird. Sure. Yeah. It's not more. Yeah. Just trying to explain the whole Eternal's thing and that Godlike being, which. Kind of has some cool imagery, I guess, with the scale of it. Let's justify ourselves.

Yeah, with the way the story kind of unravels and these villainous characters, the deviants, that are kind of like these squid dogs and it's just gimmick where it's gradually kind of evolving over the movie. So by the time it has a personality or begins to have one, it's kind of already dealt with. And it gets no development, which is just a running theme with basically every asset of the movie. It's just so much going on. It's just so much going on. It's just the same aliens from every other modern alien film. Like, war for tomorrow.

What was that Chris Pratt one? End of, end of tomorrow. Fucking, like, live die repeat. Like, every single fucking alien. Livedi repeats is much better than either of these. I'm talking about the creature design, though. I'm talking about, like, specifically the alien design. These were just like a total rip-off of those creatures.

Exactly. It was almost exactly the same. Like, it's so creatively bankrupt. Like, these are aliens now in pop culture. Like, this is what aliens look like when they want. of killing. Yeah, I didn't even put that together until he just said it. But yeah, it's like the exact same aliens.

Lazyest character is done in. Like, here are the deviants. Okay. What the fuck are these things? That's what I kept thinking about everything. And what about when they're actually interacting with the Eternals, the way they fight and the way they clash? There's like no tension to anything because of these like,

people who have been comparing it to Man of Steel a lot, where it's like just these invincible creatures, like slamming into each other. and it was reminded me of that too because that film's also kind of distant and has a cold tone and maternal's similar it's just it really clashes with the marvel formula in terms of that stuff and yeah yeah just the cast jumping all over the place we haven't even mentioned like multiple characters like king go he's kind of the comic relief for a section of the movie and then just as that's about to develop into something he just kind of leaves yeah the guy from killing of a sacred deer yeah yeah Who's also It plays speed in the Snyder cut Or Flash, I mean

Oh Right? In the Snyder cut? Does he play Flash? No, is that the same guy? Who's the other guy? That's Ezra Milo. Oh my God.

I'm getting them confused you're absolutely right. Oh, okay, okay. They're both like weird young white people. Yeah. They kind of different look at it. Asra Miller's like skinnier. I just rewrote it in my brain. Yeah.

I'm in the, I'm in the Berenstein universe. What else is he? He's in killing of a sacred deer. But, you know, he's a good actor, and here he's barely in it. Like you said, there's a ton of other shit going on. Like, he could have been cool. But he's not in it.

Like, no one's in it. His powers are one of the more interesting ones because each eternal has a completely different gimmick, too, which again, you know, he gets any exploration. And it's kind of cool. The main woman has, like, healing powers where everyone else has something kind of more destructive going on. And she's, like, essential to fixing the problem. that comes up with these big beings

but... See, I don't even remember that. It's so forgettable. Yeah. Yeah, thinking about remembering anything. Like, I saw this film weeks ago and trying to remember anything from it. I'm kind of dreading when I'm going to have to sit down and

rewatch this to, like, figure it out. It's necessary. It's the most important thing you'll have. So much stuff. Mm-hmm. This is wrong with this movie. I mean, just like, in the end fight scene, I was still trying to figure out, like,

which one of you can. fly. Like, I didn't know what anybody's powers were for the most part. Like, some of them I understood. But, you know, there's a big fight scene and I don't really have a grasp of like what options each character has at any given moment. It's kind of weird. It kind of takes a bit out of it. Yeah, it's very forgettable too. Yeah. And the, yeah, just their limitations are never properly explained or explored. Like, there's, there's a character who can kind of bring them back to life who's dealt with. So they deal with that sort of side of it. I guess spoilers.

Do people care about spoilers for this one? Yeah, I think we said spoilers. Yeah, the way they use the powers and shit and the way they clash is... I didn't really have trouble picking up on the powers. I was just waiting for them to do something, like, creative or interesting with them. They were so kind of dull, like the Kingo guy, his are just... He, like, puts his hands into pew-pue gun shapes and shoots out, like, energy blasts. It's like...

Okay, I mean, kind of hoping for something a bit more exciting at this point. Like, if this is supposed to be the new sort of vision for the MCU and the new starting off point for a new type of story or something, a new set of characters we're supposed to care about, I mean, I don't necessarily want to see any of these guys or girls again. They're pretty dull lot. Uh-huh, yeah. Is there any terminals too coming?

I hope not. There's no way there's not. Like, can we talk about the after credits thing? Did you guys stick around for that? Yeah. Yeah. It was fucking weird. Why did it turn into Shrek?

What the fuck was it? Can you explain it? What was that? What was going on? Thanos's brother or something? Like a CG, like... Oh yeah, the Harry Styles. Oh yeah, that one's just fucking dumb.

Thanos's brother put their Harry Styles. Yeah, I don't know what that was. And then the one after they set up Kid Harrington to be Black Knight. It was like some comic character I never heard of. And then I guess Blade is there? You can't tell. it's Blade, but like the voice, yeah, that's Blade. The voice is Maharshala Ali.

Mm-hmm. So that's only in the second after credit teaser. Yeah. And like, if you don't recognize his voice, you have no idea who that is. So you're just like, okay. I guess because they don't have like a costume ready for Blade yet or like, you know. I didn't even know Blade was a Marvel thing. Yeah.

Huh. Yeah. That's, that's what it was. I actually haven't seen the movies. So that was disappointing. and yeah and then with Harry styles he's with this like CG goblin thing which uh like leopard con kind pretty messed up like it didn't look the best in terms of yeah the effects weren't great which i mean it's not normally something that is a

highlight of these marvel movies in terms of bad effects normally they're at least at the very you know this as a standard but this was like noticeably bad i don't know if it was like a bit rushed because of the whole harry styles inclusion and it just being a quick job, but man, that was, that was weird. I didn't really get that. Very distracting. Yeah, I, uh,

I kind of hated the movie. Might be the worst Marvel film. Yeah. Actually, I'm pretty, pretty sure it actually is, actually. I'm pretty, according to a lot of people, yeah. I think Thor 2, I think Thor 2 is better.

Haven't seen that. It doesn't set up anything. Interesting. Sure, but this doesn't set up anything, like, interesting in that world. Is Thor 2? longer? No, I'm just trying to find out.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. This runtime, yeah, it was ridiculously long. And it was just so slow. Yeah, that might make it one of the worst ones purely on that alone. Like, it does not need to be that excruciatingly long. Yeah, you just have no connection to any of these characters. They all suck.

They don't establish them before this movie. There's no buildup to anything. Yeah, I really hated it. Yeah. It seems to be sucks. I get why people just don't like it. I wasn't as bored or hated it as much for like the first, I don't know, half or something. Like, I went into it expecting it to be long.

I went into expecting it to be kind of boring. So I was like, I'm pretty good at just checking myself out internally and just being like, oh, I'll just think about some other things. I'm just good at like keeping myself entertained. Like, I'll write something in my head. I don't know. But yeah, it was somewhere near the end of the movie where I was like, wait, now we're doing the end. And it's like, nothing's really happened. You've wasted this entire movie.

You know, with the runtime, you could maybe, I don't know, begin to attempt developing some of these characters. But they really didn't. Like they kind of almost did maybe some of them. But, you know, there's so many of them. And I don't know. Like, you either need to have different films beforehand leading up to this point with, like, different stories. Mm-hmm. Or just have less characters or, I don't know.

I don't know what the solution is here. It seems like just a bad idea from the get-go. Yeah. It's weird. They betrayed their formula they created and kind of harnessed over the years. And I were like, oh, let's just fall into all the pitfalls. All of our competitors have for years, but now it's them doing it. Which is very interesting.

And it's not okay when they do it. Yeah. It's just as bad. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned the influence of Man of Steel before because the director said she was inspired by Man of Steel, you know, in some way making this movie. Oh, really?

Wow. I can see that kind of like the character, the character like Icarus. I can see that, right? Like kind of dark, the dark tone, I guess. And yeah, it's just like the fact that the movie is not good. The movie The movie's like a mess It feels like

Yeah you can tell It feels like it feels like someone inspired by Manist Steel Or Batman versus Superman It's one of those kinds of movies Their powers also just like Aren't interesting They just feel like knockoff versions Of other superhero characters

One of them just eats the flash Except she's deaf Right There's one of them that's basically just Superman Uh huh The flashbacks too Were just really Like really padded the

movie out. Yeah, that was weird. And they were flashing back like 4,000 years, you know, like, a particular amount of time. Yeah, we've stretched. Back to, like, ancient Mesopotamia. Yeah. And they were talking like, you know, they were talking like the same way. They were talking like how we talk now.

True. We probably talked differently back then. Yeah, that's funny. It was so dumbed down just to like make the story work. I don't know. I feel like nothing was thought out. Like, nothing made sense. Uh, the characters were all bad.

Like, every single character. You know, at least Thor II as Loki in some parts. And it's under two hours, wow. Yeah. Worst Marvel movie, but there's quite a few DC movies that are worse than that, in my opinion. That's true. Yeah. Which is funny.

It might be better than some of the DC movies. Yeah, that's a compliment to the movie. Yeah. It's still not as bad as a couple of them. Yeah, I guess I hadn't thought about this as the worst Marvel movie. but you're making some strong points here I really don't want to see this again ever really

it is so it is so bladed what could come close to being the worst Marvel movie for you I haven't seen all of them so I guess previously it was Thor too and that was just because it was like such an example of a nothingy just nothing Marvel movie

like it finishes and then like it's gone from your brain time movie but this is like a different type of problem for Marple. This is like it's really missing the mark entirely. It's not even trying to go for the more goofy tone they've gone for before. They're trying something different and really

failing hard. And yeah, they didn't really commit to what this story needed. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know where you begin to fix it. By throwing in the trash. Yeah, start over. They needed, like, to prove why we need to care about

the Eternals, you know, like, They may just care about, like, Guardians of the Galaxy. Like, no one knew about those characters before those movies. Yeah. Like, only comic book nerds did. But they found a way. They found an angle. It was also, like, a personal journey, despite there being a bunch of characters there.

Like, there was a clear lead. It was Chris Pratt. Like, I... Star Lord, yeah. Yeah, you don't... I haven't even seen Guardians that many. I've seen it, like, twice, maybe. And I remember vividly, like, you know, there's the story about, you know, the cassette tape and the old

music and his mom or whatever, you know, like there's like a parental thing going like there's some sort of personal story attached in there that's like relatable for audience members it's humorous you know it doesn't take itself way too seriously i don't even think the movie's amazing or anything but like there's such clear examples of why it succeeds narratively whereas eternals is just a big fucking mess like what is it supposed to be yeah there's about a billion reasons it's more of a comedy too guardians that helps it a lot this movie is not funny It's not funny at all.

I don't think it tries to be. They attempt a few jokes in here, but they don't land. I don't know if the audiences you were with connected with that side of it, but it was pretty quiet in the theater I saw in. If I wasn't looking at the poster right now, I would have thought there were like six characters in the movie and not 10. I wouldn't have like the full count in my mind. We haven't even mentioned like Angiolina Jolie.

She's there. for some reason. Oh my God. She does stuff. Finally in the Marvel verse. She was just such a non-factor. She's barely in the movie. She was not a part of it.

She didn't really have any moments. She went crazy once. Well, the thing where their memories was ridiculous. They have to erase her memories. Otherwise, she has like these random spurts where she tries to kill everyone. Yeah, that's weird. It is weird. It doesn't make any sense.

It's just like, okay, so why don't you erase your memory instead of like randomly attacking people. And then, you know, it's like at the most inconvenient time she gets attacked. There's a reveal at some point in the movie where the Eternals are revealed to be these synthetic creations. Yeah. And it was something to do with that, like her programming. They're like cyborgs.

Okay. It's way more stupid than you're giving it credit right now. So the big boy created the deviance. It kind of looks like. created the deviance and then he was like, oops, I forgot the things evolve sometimes. So because the deviance evolved, they were like, well, let's kill humans. They were like, this is the opposite of what I wanted to happen.

And the reason why he, he, the reason why they need humans is for an energy source on the planet to create another big boy. But the energy source has to be smart. It has to be like, it has to be like a smart species for some reason. You can't just have energy from dumb species. So they need, he created the eternal. The essence of all them. Yeah, he created the. eternals synthetically and made them very diverse, one of them deaf and one of them a large

gay black man. And just to protect human beings throughout history. And he said that they can't interfere with anything as long as, unless it's the deviance doing things. And it's just, it doesn't, I'm sorry, it doesn't make any sense. So why would you give the turtles the capability of changing their minds after, first of all? Like, you've made that mistake. basically with the evolution thing. You've created the Eternals specifically so that they can't evolve. That's why they're eternal. That's why they don't age.

Yeah, it's like either create them in a way where they can't change their mind when they find out that you lied to them. Or don't lie to them and just tell them from the beginning so they don't get attached to this civilization or whatever. Or just don't even tell them that you're doing it. Like, why did he tell the, was it Circe? don't make the movie. Like, why did he tell them? Sussie? Yeah, because like the Icarus character and Salma Hayek or whatever, like, they found out he had to,

he had to kill her over it. And so then the big boy, for some reason, despite it being very clear that the turtles aren't going to take this lightly, that they're going to probably disagree with this. And Icarus knows this because he just had to kill Salma Hayek over it. But then the big boy just tells Sersi. He's like, yep, this is what we're going to do. And then she's like,

Oh, I don't want to do this. And then that's the whole conflict of the movie is that she doesn't want to do it. It's like you created them. Why did you tell them? Why did you lie to them? There's like a billion other things that could have happened. Like, none of it makes any sense.

We're supposed to believe that you're some, like, gigantic celestial being that's like some god or some shit. You can just create things out of nowhere. Sounds like you're a fucking idiot. Like, sounds like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But what I'm saying is that like, okay, these clockwork people, the kind of people, like, they erase their memory. every thousand years.

Yeah. Thousands of years. Like once they wipe out a planet, they erase their memory. So like Angelina Jolie, she needs her memories erased. Otherwise, she's like trying to kill everyone. But it's like they've done it tons of times already, like just erased her memory. So she doesn't like try to kill everyone like at the most inconvenient points in the story. And then like, of course, like she starts trying to kill like I think Gilgamesh or something, like one of the other guys and gets it killed.

And it's like such a like thrown in plot point. Like it's so contrived, so convenient. Like if they just like erased your memory, then not that would have happened. Like, yeah. Like why is she, why isn't she doing that? Like it's kind of the more likable heroic thing to do, just be to erase your memory. Oops.

I remember them abusing a lot of the kind of hero shots as well, as if like they're like doing it. The Avengers come together and stuff. and then they play like the fanfare and they were doing it here a lot. But it just wasn't earned at all. You don't have the connection with those characters. The Avengers,

you know Captain America, he has his own movies and Thor. And here it's like Richard Madden kills one of the deviants and he comes out of like a storefront and they do like that hero shot, like you're saying. There's no connection to this guy.

You've known him for five minutes. Like, it doesn't matter. It's not, it doesn't have the impact. That's why I don't know why even they chose to do it. this. They had a lot of shots of the sun in the

background and like lens flare behind the characters is it like the character moves over the sun. They're like, wow, I'm just seeing the same shots over and over in this movie and Chloe thinks it's really cool looking, I guess. Yeah, this makes me worried for X-Men. This makes me worried for

Fantastic Four. Like any movie with like a group of people. X-Men and Fantastic Four, I mean, at least they're a bit more defined and like culturally known, you know? Yeah, people know who they are a bit more. And also, you can't

get much worse than Fant Forstick anyway. Right? We've had the worst. Yeah, I've had a great record that franchise. Josh Trank. The Trankster. So this movie made $368 million worldwide is what it says.

That's nothing. Yeah, because it costs $200 million to make. Who knows how much they spent on advertising. So, I don't know. This is teetering the line between like flop and it's certainly not a success. It's a flop. It should have made a billion. It's a flop.

It seems like they were probably hoping for a billion. Yeah, they probably would hope for that. So what do they do? Do they abandon their plans? They've never had to abandon their plans so far. But they put a lot of money into this, this whole cast and everything. And they clearly wanted a future with the teasers and the credits and stuff. Maybe they should have made a good movie.

Yeah. It should have. This is terrible. 150 domestically. Like, watch how well Spider-Man does. Even Shang Shi was better than this. Chong-she was much better. Yeah, I haven't seen that yet.

Mm-hmm. Even Black Widow was better than this. I don't even like Black Widow. Black Widow is incredibly bland. Yeah. Yeah, that was really bland. Actually, I forgot. I saw that.

That kind of falls into that Thor to category from me where I just forgot. I even saw it. Oh, my God. Mm-hmm. For sure. This is still worse. This is like one of the worst movies of the year. This will make like my worst of list.

This is terrible. There's a big meme over the Disney promoting like, oh, we refuse to edit the gay scenes out of this movie. And I'm looking it up right now. It turns out that the reality is a little bit more nuanced. So the film was not released in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar. I don't know how pronounce. these. Bahrain and Oman due to the depiction of a gay

couple. However, theaters in the UAE, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt will be showing an edited version of the film which is missing all the love scenes. So yeah, apparently not every country. Wow. Jesus. Yes, they're just ending it out. Not like they're missing anything.

It's not like... It's not like... It doesn't add anything to the movie. It's just like... It's not like you can't edit it out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it looks like... like it's just depending on the country for some reason. I don't know why.

They're making certain edits for certain countries, but not every country. Which is weird. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, super wet. Well, I can't wait for their next movie with their first gay character every year. Mm-hmm. Keeps happening. Yeah.

Well, I guess, uh, I don't know, anything else to say about fucking the best Marvel movie? The only reason I saw it is because it was negatively received. never would have watched this. Why'd you watch it? Just because it was like, the headlines were like, this is the lowest scored Marvel movie ever on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic and blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, oh, this thing's interesting. Yeah, audiences didn't respond to it either. Like, no one likes this movie. This is not a good movie. Yeah, it doesn't even have the usual Defender Squad. There's some diehard Marvel fans that like it. It doesn't have a terrible IMDB rating. It's like 6.8 or something.

They need to be told why this movie's bad. Yeah. This is really bad. Yeah, 6.8 out of 10. Yeah. 110,000 ratings. That's a much better user rating than the film we will be talking about. I don't listen to user ratings.

A bunch of nonsense. Usually those scores are like super inflated, like the Eternals or like any Marvel movie. Yeah. Joker's like at an eight. It's an identity. It's like an eight-something on IMP. It's like one of the highest rated movies. like a whole time.

It's like ridiculous. Like it does not deserve to be that high. And it's like most superhero movies basically, except for like the Dark Night or, yeah, maybe the original Superman. Okay, what do we rate it?

Three out of ten. Yeah, ratings. It's terrible. I might give it a two out of ten. Oh. I'll say three. It's either three out of ten or two out of ten.

Yeah, I'm pretty much in the same place. So you give it like a one-half star, one letter boxed. So yeah, but three out of ten. Yeah, sort of boring, just inexcusably boring.

Yeah, way too fucking long. It's just too long. Yeah. Yeah, there's no excuse. There's no good reason. All right. Alex has recommended a movie. That's it.

Yeah, so I recommended, I think this is the first time for Sardonicaster, a repeat recommendation somewhat. Although, what's the first conversation we had around it, recommended, or was it I just happened to have checked it out and we just kind of talked about it on the episode. I can't particularly remember. The point is it was years ago at this point. Oh yeah. So it's in a Isle of Dogs and Boy. So it was in it was a you recommended boy. And we talked about Antichrist. Yeah. Okay. So it wasn't fully recommended, but we have had a section where we did talk about it. I remember that. But that must explain why I don't really remember Ralph's thoughts on this movie as much if it was just more of a thoroughway kind of conversation. But yeah, this is

2009 Antichrist by Lars von Trier, a pretty controversial movie. The more I read about, the more I find out about it. This is my second watch of this movie, which is about a grieving couple who, they have a loss of a child in a pretty dramatic opening scene. Well, opening scene. Yeah, full spoilers to this movie. Yeah, there's a whole opening slow-mo sequence establishing the loss of their child through what you think is an accident at first, and it's all about the,

the kind of depressive mindset that one goes into as a result of such a horrendous occurrence. And it's in this setting of a woods, which is a result of this kind of mysterious relationship between Willem Diffoe and Charlotte Gainsburg. They're never really given a name. They're kind of left vague as to serve this heavy religious symbolism. Yeah, just she and he. And it's a backbone of a lot of. symbolism and it's a kind of

it's supposed to be a horror movie. It's kind of Lars Montreya's take on a horror movie. I don't, the enjoyment I get from it is not necessarily from it succeeding as a horror movie, but more of Lars von Triya delving into the

mental health side of it and his expression of what depression did to him, because that's a clear theme of the movie to me in terms of just the misery that his own depression and anxiety, the place it brings you to in this whole idea of taking somewhere traditionally picturesque like a woodland, like natural landscape and spinning it on its head

and turning it into a sort of a harsh, realistic truth of the world. The chaos reigns. When you put a magnifying glass on nature on the woodland on the way life can be, it can be extremely cruel. and it all fits in with the depressive tone and the anxiety-inducing visuals and just this relationship that's falling apart. And it goes into all sorts of different themes relating to the way men and women relate to each other and the kind of misogyny angle to this movie. And that's not even scratching the surface of like the controversy angle and how this film was kind of booed and cheered simultaneously at can. And the weird quotes of Vontrillae, when he's talking about.

about himself around the time of when this movie came out saying I am the best film director and god there's so many fascinating quotes with him so I'm the greatest film director in the world so I'm left like wondering you know how much of it is him trying to prove himself and it's kind of over yeah like what I'm still a bit like overwhelmed by this movie but I'm definitely enjoyed it way more the second time I got a lot more out of the imagery and right just appreciating how it's put together a bit more, just the variety of technique involved and some really, really memorable imagery especially involving like the roots and combining it with the arms and everything.

There's a lot of really expressive imagery that hammers home, I think, the clear intention of what it's going for, even if what it winds up kind of saying at the very end, I'm a little bit kind of confused on. It's throwing a lot of stuff out there and I'm getting a lot of value from that, but I'm still a bit confused as to what it all means necessarily at the end. What do you think, Ralph? Well, that's all true, Alex. Yeah, that's like a really good analysis of it. Yeah, it's like capturing the feelings of depression.

It's disturbing. It's not an enjoyable watch. I don't think that's why we didn't enjoy it upon first viewing, I think. Yeah, this time, I don't know. I still didn't enjoy it. I think I like it a little bit more. Yeah. I like it a little more knowing Lars von Trier now, like being familiar with his body of work now. And I guess it's not as like, it's not as unpleasant, like watching it again.

It's not as shocking. It's like, oh, okay. He's just jerk off the dick and blood comes out. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I'm desensitized it right. Like, yeah. Genetal, me. Whatever. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty interesting. Yeah, like how you describe it for sure. I was reading, like, it was one of those kind of controversial movies where when it was screened, people were like fainting and stuff. You never know what to take away from. It's a really out there movie. It's a very art house.

It's very artful. Yeah. Experimental as far. Don't take everything literally, right? It's experimental. Yeah, that's more how you should look at it. Like, through that lens, it's actually really cool. It's something to be almost inspired by.

what about the title like what's the significance of the the title well i mean it's it's uh i don't know she conflates or associates like satanic imagery with nature and womanhood and i don't know like antichrist you might as well just be using the title like satan or just evil or i don't know like it it i don't know how specific it is to just the name antichrist that it's like that's like that so necessary for the title but i don't know it's in line with what's taking place in the film i guess i mean it works as a title i'm just yeah yeah it's not overt it's not like satan's in the movie or he's not literally yeah yeah it kind of comes out through the whole going back to the mental health aspect willem defoe he plays he's like a therapist and he's trying to he's kind of picking her

brain trying to figure out what scares her most and he's got that kind of fear triangle and yeah satan's at the top of that he eventually figures out and i think willem defoe kind of carries the movie a big chunk for me it's a lot of his performance that sells me on the on the journey because he's kind of the he's taken down the path with the other character and he's kind of leading where things are going he's quite active in terms of his role in the story and where it goes with him um because yeah Charlotte Gainsberg and where it goes with her is I'm still trying to kind of like deconstruct in terms of she's it's explained she's writing a thesis about this um you know the misogyny of of humanity and it eventually kind of she internalizes it

genocide yeah that's the word I couldn't remember what the exact the exact phrase was but yeah Willem discovers that she's been like intentionally putting like her the son's shoes on the wrong way to make him deform because there's the whole letter from the doctor angle that's hidden until later on the movie where that's revealed and that's right when that's right at the moment where things properly go off the rails. The physical violence begins and it really leans heavily on the kind of religious imagery of, you know, Charlotte Gainsberg like drills. a hole in Willem Defoe's leg and it's all very, you know, Christ-like with the weight being attached to him and, you know, it's all very, very symbolic and it's, I remember that's part of what bothered me on the first watch where I think I was taking it too literally, like trying to be like, oh, this just wouldn't happen under these, but it's way less, it's way more abstract than that, it's way more about exploring kind of a mindset and the way. Yeah, sure. The abstract way

emotions can affect you and the visuals of that. Something that only filmmaking can really do for these kind of intense emotions and these kind of negative thought patterns that are brought out through this kind of mental anguish. I think it does a good job of capturing something as abstract as that, but yeah, it's just the ultimate full-stop conclusion. I'm struggling to form a coherent sort of thought process around. I think that there's a couple different ways to interpret it. So she's writing her thesis and eventually, and this is said, I guess, just in, I think, like, one line, Willem Diffos says it, like, kind of explicitly is like, oh, so you were writing your thesis about the mistreatment of women, but then you actually started believing it.

Like, it's like she was, her mind was changed by the text she was reading in a way that, like, it kind of absorbed what she was thinking. there's a better way to phrase this. It kind of like indoctrinated her in a way? Yeah, sort of convinced her. You could interpret this in a way where, oh, she is just kind of crazy and allowed this to seep into her brain and it manifested in this awful way

where she hated herself and hated nature and her sexuality and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You could interpret it in that way. Another way that I kind of think is also acceptable that I didn't think of until this previous time I watched it, is that, like perhaps there is a bit more of like a tropey supernatural thing going on where there is some sort of like spirit or presence that is taking over her and it's just manifesting itself in that way and perhaps you know by the end of the movie willem defoe winds up killing her and it seems like he gets possessed in some sort of way we see the um uh reincorporation of those shots where they were describing the different stages of anxiety or the different symptoms of anxiety.

And we see those start to happen, but now it's Willem Defoe's body. And, you know, something takes over him and he feels some sort of like murderous rage, right? And although, yes, you can take that as like, yeah, maybe there's like a spirit or entity. I still think it also continues to fall under the lines of like, okay, well, what is this saying about people, about nature, right? Like, is it inherently nature for death and destruction and anger and jealousy and resentment? All of these things are natural. They occur in nature, right? And how much imagery do we see of just, they mention the acorns falling?

And it's like, ah, this is just more death. And you see the bird falling. And again, that's imagery of the child falling out the window. It's a lot of falling in death quite explicitly. and then, you know, the fox, like, chewing out its own insides and the, the deformed deer and the blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, this is all nature. It's disgusting. It's awful.

You know, and it's a necessary thing to have to come to terms with, I guess, as, like, a human being on this planet is that, you know, nature is destructive. Nature can be brutal. Nature can be fucking terrifying, but it's all just a part of existence and living on this planet. So I think it's kind of still going in that. that area of just, I guess, acceptance over the harsh realities that come with existence. Yeah, I guess that's part of what I was

thought I took away from it, was this kind of idea of what would it take to take you to that place to kind of make you the Antichrist with the example of this being like the loss of a child, something so overwhelmingly devastating. And then just seeing what it can do to a person, how close it can make you

to that yeah there's like the brutal imagery of like a predatory bird eating a young that's just fallen out of its nest and again going back to that kind of depressive mindset and how it can make you really focus on the kind of misery in the world and I think it just really works as like a thought piece exploring those kind of ideas and that kind of misery. It's very effective in that way even if it doesn't again I don't think it works in a horror sense to me. I don't feel it doesn't really fit genre-wise in my head

like where does this fit in terms of kind of other more traditional horror movies is much more psychological I suppose, but it's much more abstract. Like a eraser head. You can't really view it as a more more that genre. Yeah, yeah.

I like eraser head more for the record. I love how experimental the film is because they were really in terms of like filmmaking techniques. They were doing a lot of shit that they were just like, we don't really even know if this will work

or not. They actually did test film to see certain techniques in action before actually committing to like the larger project. They wound up using a just like a rig that was basically like a dolly

and a camera that were controlled by a computer program. So they could input manually these movements into the rig. that could simulate handheld movement and then in the same shot, pull back or go forward in a perfect... What's the word?

Linear. A perfect linear shot zooming in and out. So transitioning from handheld to linear in a way where it's like the handheld was actually faked. It was simulated. I think that that's really interesting and really cool.

Yeah, that's cool. There's a few shots in the movie that are like the tree shot where it like goes into the back of his head and then pulls back out. Yeah, I was going to say, it's like super still. That's one of them. The shot near the beginning with the hospital before, I think before it goes into the plant, I think that's one of them. I don't remember. But yeah, there's a few where it really does a lot of unique and unsettling and very new feeling camera movements that I think really help the tone and visual style of this film so much. Yeah, and just combining it with that, the visual symbolism of the roots especially I love

because there's so much overlap of like what it can mean, whether it be the roots, like literally being like your family with the whole kid being involved and it being the roots there or the roots in your brain with the way, you know, the mental health side of it. It's just super expressive and then combining the sexual nature of this movie as well. It's inherently extremely sexual with the, that was one of the, oh, the faint worthy moments this movie's been touted for is the real, real sex at the beginning. But, yeah, the kind of shock value taken aside is it is establishing that side of the movie because it's a huge part of it. Yeah. the Charlotte Gainsberg's character who kind of compulsively wants to have sex all the time.

And it's again touching on this kind of complicated relationship she has and has interpreted from this kind of fucked up readings and research she's been doing and the way she's misinterpreting it and the horror that comes of that. It's just one of the kind of key subjects that often gets under people's skin is just using sexuality and the way they do and how extreme it goes towards the end with the, you. you know, the kind of the clit off and the violence it goes, and just combining sexual imagery with the violence and horror just always works quite well. A lot of people are sexually repressed in ways that they don't even realize, you know. Mm-hmm. So I think it does make sense to have a movie that sort of explores sexuality and kind of like a horror, but more like a psychological way where it's, uh, clearly there's,

some damage done to her, you know, and how she views sexuality or nature or her own body, her own instincts, you know, so yeah, it can lead to, you know, on a way that's not as extreme as this film, there's a lot of instances where it can lead to a lot of self-hate, it can lead to, you know, suicide, it can lead to projection, you know, it can, it can, there are people that, like, murder other people for like finding out some like weird sexual thing about them or you know yeah like people have killed themselves over like nudes being leaked it's like oh you're you're naked sort of thing you know there's a lot of really uh painful damaging views and uh embedded emotions about sexuality and general society that you know i think it just especially when it's

tied in with religious beliefs yeah yeah exactly part of this phone yeah so like it's already fucked up. That's just part of the human condition. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You can't not have the sexual side of it. Yeah. It's all about reproduction as well with the kid being the whole point where the story starts off from.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I love that at the beginning in the opening sequence, you can see little clues about things to come. You can see the three beggars in the, in like a little, you know, there's like children's, like, piece of wood and then they connect the, oh this shape fits in this shape you can see the three animals in the same shot that Willem Defoe's butt is in or whoever's butt that was it might have been a double you can see as the baby is coming out of the crib

you can see the shoes are placed reversed which is also very like really foreboding and I just I love that aspect of the movie because it's a subtle little thing you wouldn't notice not only in that shot unexpected reveal yeah yeah all the other photos that Willem Defoe was looking at it's like you don't notice that right away but once you do it's really unsettling it's like wow this is just it's not so obvious but it is really fucked up like there are good horror elements

to this i think regardless of whether or not it works as a horror movie for you like i it depends how much we want to i guess confine it to that genre or you know the tropeiness of that genre you know yeah because it works much better and it's a psychological um it makes you think it's a much more kind of thinky movie than I guess my expectations that first time were just wired a bit wrong based on kind of having a horror label necessarily but

you're right there's definitely a lot of disturbing concepts but I find the scary part is where my mind takes me as a result of the imagery and what they're saying as opposed to maybe directly what I'm seeing aside from some of the more stunning kind of impressive shots like the root

arm tree show you know the the the chaos fox even I thought was was effective way more effective this time now I kind of know what it's going for a bit more it wasn't as it's silly throw me off as much it's definitely silly but it's not even the only silly aspect of this film yeah and just the visual effects and using using like real animals I think helped as well

for a lot of it it kind of grounded it a bit and just a fair amount of restraint and just little touches like the kind of warping effects on the woods just to kind of throw you off and kind of out to that dream like nature and I'm on the whole dream like nature actually I really like that sequence where Willem's kind of getting uh Charlotte Gainsbo's character to picture images in her head and just the kind of restrain way using that slow mo with that kind of ultra wide picturesque landscape that's really a really cool sequence and really kind of I don't have realistic's the word but it's I find it relatable in terms of conjuring imagery in your head it's kind of dreamlike and just feels right for the way you would display that kind of idea yeah very

creative and cool very effectively communicated and super purposeful and interesting and experimental visuals like love the what was it like thousand frames per second shooting or whatever yeah yeah it's just it's so insane and I love the lighting in that as well like it's I I wouldn't I wouldn't begin to understand how to, like, replicate a shot like that. It's just so, there's so much within it that's just so juicy, you know, visually. It's just such a... Yeah, they're quite a... So much to absorb out of it.

I love those shots. Which is great because, like, at the same time, you have these weird handheld, you know, kind of dark, close-looking shots, like their conversations in the, near the beginning of the film. you know, a lot of the editing will cut in ways that traditionally, like, you're not supposed to. It'll be, like, on the same actor, same angle. Yeah, we're just going to cut here. And it's like, oh, well, that's weird, right?

But it's him kind of, like, marrying these two different styles of filmmaking. In a similar way that he kind of did with Dancer in the Dark, except in that film, it was much less extreme in the differences. I think that this film works a lot better in that sense in terms of, like, showing a dynamic or you know showing the contrast between those two filming styles in the same movie yeah he's definitely uh progressed a lot in that sense i read uh one review that had that described it as being self-consciously provocative which i find interesting and wonder where you guys come down on because i i don't really get the vibe that it's being disingenuous

um necessarily when it's bringing up the kind of the violence and the kind of things you'd expect people to get, you know, outraged or inflamed about this movie is how much, how much of that do you think is like intentional or not or going too far or not too far? Because I just feel like it's working well in terms of if it is the first part of this depression trilogy and it's all trying to go for these kind of moods and ideas. I think it does a really good job with that kind of stuff. I never feel pulled out from the extremities. all the time or anything. Yeah, it definitely works the best out of, well, for me anyway, out of his depression trilogy.

And in terms of like, how much is he being conscious of the audience? I think to some degree, Lars von Trier especially is always somewhat conscious of the, I think he is kind of a provocateur. He is kind of a troll. He loves to get reactions out of people. And I think what makes or breaks a film for me is whether or not that takes precedence over what he's doing, right? There are scenes or sometimes even entire films he's made where like the entire point is just to be a troll just to get a reaction.

But I do feel like there was something genuine here even if perhaps he was, you know, maybe he was snickering to himself being like, ha, ha, ha, we're going to have the blood come out of the pee. I don't know. I think that it's both exist at the same time, you know. And as long as it's not detracting from the film in a negative way, then, you know, fucking do it. I like seeing weird, shocking, interesting things. I like getting a new experience out of something, you know. Yeah, whereas with something, what was that film, House that Jack built? Yeah.

From a few years ago, that felt a bit less genuine at certain points. Yeah, that was more of a troll. Just pushing it. Yeah, it's just traveling. I like that movie, though. That's more of a comedy. Yeah, I enjoy that movie. That one's actually trying to be funny.

I don't think there's much funny about this one. I'll give that one a second chance at some point. It's, I think I'll enjoy it more. That was actually trying to be funny. This one's not trying to be funny. This one's like, just disturbing. Depends on what you're like. I mean, really.

It just depends on what you're in the move for. I don't want to watch this shit. It's just disturbing. Like a blood coming out of the penis. Like, all this bizarre shit. Yeah, it's not, it doesn't follow like a structure. It's not conventional at all. Yeah, it's just capturing that tone.

Yeah. It's just about the tone. It's like a, it's like, professionally made budget you know good budget movie that's also trying to be like dogma 95 kind of you know that's an art house

yeah yeah it's a really art house yeah being a few things at once here yeah there's good choices like you said it looks really good sometimes I mean like yeah even if we're judging it like purely by its presentation and tone it still manages to be so unique right like there's not a lot of scenes is really great. The opening is fucking amazing. The prolog is excellent. Yeah. And that's like,

that really just kind of engages you in those two characters right away. Like, you actually want to see what happens to them. It's incredible. Which is what maybe ultimately watch the rest of the movie. Like, even if you don't like it, you want to see what happens to them. Yeah, it does get you. You are engaged in that way. Yeah. And it's well shot. You have the slow motion is good. You know, but it's black to white. And the, and the piano music. Like, that's what I mean by Art House. Like, someone could look at that and see it as pretentious. but it isn't. Like, the way in the scene, it's actually used really well.

Yeah. It's really well-distance. I love that scene so much. Even if we're to go at, like, you know, different scenes within the film, like, you know, like the... I'd say that's probably my favorite scene, you know? Yeah, me too, probably, honestly. Even other scenes in the film, like the meditation scene that you mentioned, Alex. Or, like, her flashback when she's talking about.

about how she heard Nick crying in the woods and he wasn't. Like, I love that sequence. It's just so fucking creepy to hear that echoing baby crying as she's like walking around. As far as horror goes, that's one of the scariest scenes to me. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just purely... It's very unnerving, but natural.

You know, it's like, there's no jump scare there. There's no resolution to it, really, but just like the way it's shot and like, she looks up and then you see the whole forest again. Like, I love the... I just... I love how weird everything is and how just I never see any movies even since that have come close to feeling like this film. It's such a unique, unique experience. Yeah, it's definitely unique.

That's one thing I'll give the one tree. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's, there's, to be honest, there's a few moments of this film where I don't feel sold on, what is being presented. Even like the first time I watched it, there's parts where, you know, she's like running around chase and I'm like, where are you sort of thing? And it's like,

eh, you know, I'm not like completely sold on what's happening in a narrative sense. Not that it needs to be like literal or anything, but just I kind of feel like, ah, this is kind of silly. Like, I get that throughout the movie in some moments. But overall, I just like,

in terms of what it's showing, how it's showing it, And just being unique and just ballsy, just being like, yeah, this is the movie I wanted to make. I'm not going to compromise. I'm going to show a dude come blood, and Charlotte Gainsberg is going to cut her clit off. It's going to be an art house movie. We're going to have some classical music and show classical music and black and white showing like full-on penetration. You know?

Like, who does that? Nobody. It's literally bullse. It's really cool. Yeah. There's a vision. There's a vision there. He made his...

Yeah, there's balls in the movie. It's fucking awesome. It's criterion. It's his last movie before he admitted he's a Nazi. But he didn't. Yeah, speaking of a little quick clips. That's Melancholia, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it was Melancholia. Interview it can. Yeah. If anybody's curious about that controversy, he made a stupid joke, but he's Lars von Trier and doesn't understand how to be a normal human being. Yeah, it didn't come across the right way.

Yeah, he just kept digging his whole too. One of the most awkward moments you could ever possibly watch ever. Kirsten Dunst looks like she wants to escape out of her body. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she really tries. Yeah. I love an entire table of people sitting next to him, just clearly giving him looks just saying like,

stop what you're doing. Like, what are you doing? And he just keeps going, like, despite all that. People are like, He just wants to tell... Scars Guards leading in, like... Shut the fuck up. Charlotte Gainsberg's like brushing her teeth with her finger, basically.

Like, she's doing this weird cringe thing. It's a... It's so awkward. That's like one of the finest moments of cinema, and I'm glad Lars Von Trier is such an autour that he brought it to us. Thanks a lot of us. He made a life of a movie. Yeah.

What a guy. What a crazy, funny, eccentric character. Very hit or miss. Yeah, the type of person you want to see movies from, Because they're always interesting one way or another. Give more crazy people cameras. It's my motto. And dedicated to Tarkovsky.

Yeah. Interesting. Nice little note. Yeah, interesting. Because he didn't like recently die before that movie. So there must be something about this film in particular that he felt really connected to his legacy in that sense. Yeah. Sure.

It's kind of Torkowski-esque. Yeah, I can see bits of it. Yeah, hints here and there. All right. What do you give it out of ten unless you want to talk about it more? That's most of what I have to say about it unless you have more throughout there, Ralph. Yeah, I don't have much to say about it, even on this feeling. Not the biggest fan. Yeah, I enjoyed this a lot more.

I connected especially with those visuals and the way it was made, and I was appreciating that side of it so much more. And, yeah, I was kind of downplaying the horror aspect of it, but there is some really creepy stuff going on psychologically with this. movie and it's that's the side it succeeds on it's not like a more traditional like we're talking about like characters and their relationship it's not because it's like realistic necessarily because it like devolves into like not very literal storytelling the structure is kind of wacky and it's like a four-act structure and it's all held together with this kind of craziness and trying

overwhelm and confuse you and communicate abstract ideas. But yeah, it's getting better each time I see it. So I'm going to throw a three and a half star on this. I'm still not fully convinced. I find sections of it kind of slow and plodding. But I almost wonder if some of that's intentional sometimes with him, especially if he is such a troll. So, yeah, I enjoyed my second watch for this.

Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. I don't think I'd change my rating. maybe up to like a sex maybe i think the opening is the strongest part i think that's part of my criticism it kind of peaks there yeah it's hard not to get emotionally engaged in that opening yeah yeah all this disturbing imagery you can find it like comical i think that's what i found it the first time i can see yeah i had that problem the first time yeah a lot of gross imagery but if you like that thing it'll be good uh interesting film for sure either five or six out of ten.

I'm somewhere between an eight or a nine. Yeah. Yeah, either of those numbers will suffice. Nothing wrong with either of those numbers. Love the choices, love the uniqueness. There's some weird stuff that it's just in the movie and it's creepy. Like everybody's face is blurred and the main characters don't have names. Yeah, yeah.

That was a cool choice. I think you mentioned that in one of your reviews. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, all of these movies are unique, you know. I think it's just like whichever one you like. like the most. Like, I like dancer in the dark more. I think I like, I might like house the jack built more. Yeah, I probably like dancer in the dark more. Yeah, I prefer dance for in the dark. Yeah. Or, um, what else is he done? Did he do dogville? Was that

yes. I still need to see that. Okay. I still need to see that. That's a weird one. And something else recently. There's an infomeric. Nymphomaniac. Melancholia. The idiots. That's a film. Uh-huh. The idiots. Oh, don't look up anything about that one if you haven't seen it. Yeah, watch that one and tell me what you think of Lurz. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. Sorry, I don't love it. It's very oddhouse, yeah.

So it might be your thing. Yeah, I wouldn't really blame anyone for not being able to connect with it. Question time. Okay, let's do some questions from the SardonaCast community. If I'll leave your own questions for us to answer, head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit. Just like BPD 4116 did. what is the most physical reaction you've ever had to a movie?

Seems like an appropriate question with the recommendation being Antichrist. That's good. Yeah, a lot of the movies you guys recommend, anti-Christ martyrs. Fucking disgust. Quite a physical reaction to martyrs that you throw that out. Yeah. Even though there isn't a lot of blood with some of the imagery,

it's just something about they're like scraping knives across arms and like it just not flinching away from it. This is a disturbing imagery in there. Like people get beaten and killed. I don't know. Dear Zachary, maybe. Yeah, sure. Damien, you described it as a physical reaction too.

I mean, a real mover. Yeah. Yeah. Swear enough. I can't remember if I said if I checked out, but I did. And yeah, you weren't wrong on that one. Jesus Christ. I think that's a compliment to the movie that I'm grossed out by these movies

and I rate them kind of lowly. I think that's a compliment. I think they succeeded at what they were trying to do. He wants you to be saying Fuck you, Lars, at the end. Kind of in a way. He does. He loves it.

Yeah. Okay. The awesome Redator has one for us. Is there a movie watching experience that is so bad and annoying you couldn't actually pay attention to the film? What movie was it and what happened? For example, someone talking through the movie, movie buffering, movie theater projector not working,

or something just super. random. There's a lady kicking my seat the entire fucking movie and I was so pissed off. Do you remember the movie? It was uh, Kente can'tara by the director of magical girl whose name I forget. And I'll watch it again someday so I can actually watch the movie. But it was like, she was like waging war with me because I had my seat leaned back a bit, which they don't let you lean it back any further than like there's a piece of, part of the floor is like stopping you from leaning it back so far that it would actually like touch anybody but she wanted her feet up on my seat basically like she was leaning back with her feet on the back of my seat rest and it was really

upsetting and frustrating and so I was like trying to push back and she was like just pushing me and I was like what the fuck and then eventually I was like I don't remember what I did I just like I got up and I was like what are you doing and I just went to a different seat and people in the audience were mad at me for like getting up and saying something it's like I didn't I didn't I wasn't even very loud I was just like what I was just acknowledging this person they were like shh as if I was being disturbing the entire day what I should have done was go to the fucking employees of the theater and be like hey can you kick her out or something like that's what I should have done is acknowledge that there was somebody being like an absolute fucking monster in the theater

yeah yeah yeah yeah a lame situation yeah like why why do you need your feet to be on on the back of my seat. Why does it matter to you? For an entire movie, yeah, yeah, that's... Yeah, I was so... So angry. Yeah, that sucks. What jumps into my mind is saying that actually the Peter Jackson King Kong in the

theater, must have been pretty young at the time when it came out, but someone brought along their, like, really young baby, right? Oh, God. Just was crying for, like, the whole goddamn movie. And I couldn't focus on it because I was just like, like, but... Why'd you bring a baby to King Kong? It's the long-ass movie. You just triggered another memory for me.

A baby-related one. That's a good one. Because it's like the most distracting, disturbing noise. We're like programmed to find it disturbing. So of course, it's like the most distracting thing you could possibly hear while there's a giant ape fighting a T-Rex on screen. Yeah. It's too distracting.

She took it to fucking, like, I think it was Xavier Dolan's mommy. I'm like Yeah it was like I had seen it once And I was taking my friends to see it Like it was one of like I had seen it before But I'm like fuck this is still ruining Like I'm glad I saw it before

But like why there's a baby crying the entire movie It was like 40 minutes through the movie I just I just said out loud Can you please take the baby outside And then there were fucking white nights in the theater That were like she deserves to be here You go girl and like I was like Holy fuck I was just so mad

So I just like dealt with it the rest of the movie It's just like not an environment for a baby Why don't tire a babysitter if you can't afford one You shouldn't be going to a fucking movie Yeah the baby doesn't want to be a full dollars at least Yeah it's like you know it's three months it's gonna be out in digital anyway Like just wait like come on I have yeah I have too many Larry David moments

I'm not doing anything wrong Why is everybody mad at me? I remember the projector just like shut off like the film burns out someone's fault You ever have that? Yeah, that's annoying. That's happened like once to me. Yeah, I've had them like point in the projector, like the wrong wall and stuff.

So it just starts playing. That's funny. Yeah, they just fucked up. Yeah, yeah. The sound was playing and there's just no, no visuals. Everyone was just waiting for like 20 minutes. Like, oh, it's not intentional. Yeah.

It seems like when I go out in public and watch a movie, everybody's on a challenge to see who can piss me off. Just let me watch things at home I'm fine with it Yeah I'll never leave the house again Yeah Okay um

We have this one here from Etisham Sakeb Question for Adam Once upon a time You join the movie fights organized By screen junkies How was that experience Well so how did you feel

When Peewee's Big Adventure Won over Brazil As the best film of 1985 I remember this I was when I was in Canada I was supposed to ask you about this because I randomly remembered this video the other day, the whole movie fights podcast thing. Yeah, you're on an episode, don't you? The cool cat shirt on and everything.

It was an interesting experience because that was my first real dive into like the corporatism of some YouTube channels. It was like, oh, you know, I'm a person creating my own thing, but you're a business. You're a business full of people. Yeah. Like a big business. Yeah. Yeah, owned by, they're a subsidiary of another business, and so I was like, yeah, I go into their office or whatever. There's like a fuck ton of people like on computers doing like a bunch of different random shit.

And there's, yeah, they have like a room for the studio or whatever set up with it. What was weird about it is like the format is just kind of really phony. Because you're not really fighting over movies. Like you have to submit your answers before, before the episode. So through email, they'll ask you these questions, and then you commit to certain answers. So the question for one of them was like favorite female director or whatever. And so if somebody else already picks your pick, you have to go with your second best and then fight that person for your second best and pretend that. Yeah, it's so silly, right?

So if somebody else had said Brazil already for like favorite movie of 1985, then I would have had to have. pick the movie other than Brazil and argue why it's better than Brazil even if I don't believe it, which is just kind of like yeah, that's stupid. So, yeah, a lot of fake phoniness

going on. I wrote in that one of the questions was like an ultimate fan fiction of Back to the Future or something and I said in the email, I'm like, oh yeah, we'll have like a Rick and Morty crossover where they have to prevent 9-11 and they said you can't say that. I'm like, okay.

fine. So I took out the 9-11 part. So I didn't get to say what I really wanted. I was just being kind of funny. They allowed me to do my Congeny Wallace as Bruce Willis thing though. And I won with that one. That was like the most epic win in movie fights history is winning by saying Covengeny Wallace should play young John McLean in a diehard prequel. And I said, yeah, this is like before the surgery. And I actually won with that. If you're going to watch anything, you got to watch that. part if you're listening. Yeah, I was there. I did that.

I lost because I forgot who Christopher guest was. Even though I had seen Spinal Tap and Best in show, he wasn't as common of a name in my mind. Otherwise, I did pretty good, and we recorded another episode of some other thing that they wanted me on,

and it was like, I was geeking out about Pokemon or something, and this was, so this was a not movie fights thing. I don't even remember what the show was called, but they had me on this. And I was kind of pissed off, off because after the fact, like they didn't tell me this before I was on the show. I find out later that this was a part of their like exclusive membership thing where you have to pay them monthly

to even watch it. I was like, I was on this because I thought maybe my fans would be able to see me talk about Pokemon on this thing, you know? Like that's why I was on it. And they couldn't even like, yeah, they just seemed really like, oh, whatever, like, yeah. Like they didn't do anything wrong. So, yeah, it's a lot of human emotion and proper treating people like human beings is lost when you're a big company. You know, it just devolves into really impersonal interactions and transactionary business sort of things. And that's why I don't do that and why I choose to be a decent person. But it was interesting, at least experiencing that. Yeah, it's definitely interesting.

It's a business. It's a business. business on the show business AV centre staff member two has one for us in the age of excessive CGI and green screen

a lot of it being pretty dog shit I tend to enjoy looking at old movies that not only use real locations but use said locations to enhance the story or experience in some way shape or form though this isn't exclusively for old movies

as there are plenty of movies that film on location made today so my question is what are some films that really use their locations to the greatest extent they can, which enhance the story, character's scope, etc.

My pick would be Lawrence of Arabia, but I'd be interested to see what you guys would pick. Barry Lyndon, I think of right away. Lawrence of Arabia is good. I know that there's some in my head that I've talked about recently, and I'm going to have to go through my ratings too. Yeah, Barry and Lyndon, definitely.

Locations in that enhance the movie. I mean, possession was a great one recently. Mm-hmm. I like when, like, fantasy or science fiction uses good, locations to kind of ground the kind of more wacky visuals like a like a lord of the rings i think is a good one yeah as much as like a they do use a lot of pre-made sets and everything there was a fair amount shot in the actual wilderness of new zealand and it really helps ground that story and give it kind of a realistic look that keeps you in it any sean baker film is a really good

example like he's he's always making some sort of like commentary on like the culture the locations you know. Stalker was a really good one. Yeah, I was going to say that one. Yeah, that's kind of a core to the whole fun of that movie. Yeah. The setting is the character sort of thing.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a few. Yeah, we had some good. Stalker is cool. This one then from Green Hood 300. Since the Nicado avocado thing. Hold on.

Shut the fuck up. Nobody says Nicocato, and that's what it sounds like. It's what you're supposed to say. How come everybody says Nicado? How come everybody says that? Nobody can say Nicacada. Did I not say Nicodado? I swear you said.

How did I say it? Maybe I'm... Maybe I'm just freaking out for no reason. I could be wrong. It's the thing that happens to me quite a lot where I read like people's online names and I see it written so many times. And then I realize, oh, I don't think I've ever actually said this out loud before. So then I might just say it completely wrong. I might have flog that at you for no reason.

Let me try again then. Since the nicicado avocado thing, what do your guys' stance on the whole body shaming slash fat shaming? Do you guys think it's okay to let people actually eat themselves to death versus taking good care of your body? Michael Imperioly predicted James Gandalfini's death by warning him he'll have a heart attack with the time he's 50. Jesus. Fucking America, right? Freedom. Done.

Yeah. I mean, what do you want me to say? Well, no, I mean, like, you're the ones that like shout really, like. shout really loudly about it and have the fattest people. Yeah. Well, yeah, if you want to be fat, go ahead. Yeah. Have you ever been to the heart attack grill? It's fucking insane. No. In Vegas? Oh, yeah. All their burgers are like coated in lard. They call their burgers the

the single bypass, the double bypass, the triple bypass, quadruple bypass, et cetera. Their pricing model, it's like a really expensive burger, but then it's like, oh, you add 10 strips of bacon for like five cents and you're like, I got to do that. If you're over 350, pounds you eat free. All of the serving staff are dressed up in like sexy nurse outfits. They sell shots in prescription pill bottles basically. They sell cigarettes. And yeah, it's basically that the owner of the restaurant is like, yeah, we'll kill you. And he keeps going through spokespeople because they keep dying.

Yeah, he's like, yeah, people have had heart attacks in our restaurant. It's crazy. It's crazy. But that's freedom, right? Yeah, that's freedom. And that's like the extreme. So, Alex, in your country, they, like, regulate the amount of sugar in drinks, right? Is that a thing? There are quite a few. Yeah, it was semi-recently the drink sugar levy tax or whatever was included. So if you get the sugar version of a soda, like the full sugar version, you have to pay a little bit more.

It's supposed to put you off buying the sugar version. Yeah, they do that with cigarettes in Canada, for sure. Cigarettes are so much more expensive in Canada than the US because just tax, you know, we'll tax you to incentivize you not to do it. They try, they do that in the UK as well. They make them very expensive. Vegas place makes me want to go though. If people just want to hear me talk about nicicato, avocado, like, whatever, let the guy do what he wants. He knows exactly what he's doing.

He knows literally he's not he's not under a different impression of what he's doing. He's very clearly got a feeder fetish and potentially a humiliation fetish. he's doing it and you're giving him attention and you're helping him facilitate that by directing more people towards his content so if you don't like it then you should ignore it right? Like what else are you going to do? What's the problem? Yeah, what are they suggesting in the comment to do otherwise

what clamp down and like What do you mean like Make a citizen's arrest Clamp down and they could cut it Citizens arrest don't have a car It's time to stop muchly Yeah he knows he knows exactly He clearly knows what he's doing

I don't understand the controversy Fat shame I fat shame Stephen Seagull That's about it I don't fat shame myself To lose weight Yeah I fat shame myself That's what's okay

To do Yeah Fucking uh hype for the new Aeronovsky movie right That's gonna be the plot Oh yeah yeah I saw a frame from that the other day Oh there's a frame out now I think so

Unless it was like some fan Photoshop or something He's got Brendan Fraser playing nicicato avocado yeah that's good oh man okay let's do this one

from dat ju boy we know Ralph has scorches pfg TV and redacted as his guilty pleasure trash TV

mr. do you have any guilty pleasure shows that you'll watch from time to time Ralph are there any others that you would cough cough

recommend you mentioned mystery dinners yeah mystery diners as well as an obvious one price is right Judge Judy,

Shark Tank, or Dragon's Den is better, actually, but, or it used to be when they still had Kevin O'Leary. You think Dragon's Den is better? Yeah, when they had Kevin O'Leary, yes, 100%. Oh, okay. I think the shark tank's good.

For what reason? Because I'm about to provide reasons. Kevin O'Leary? I don't know. Well, you think the editing of American television is overdriven? Yes, yes. And I'll tell you what bullshit they do. It's made for people short of touch and

So the first however many seasons with Kevin O'Leary It was like really boring No it's not You don't understand They it's so manipulative How they edit things Especially if you're watching on cable And there's actual commercials

So on Dragon's Den when Kevin O'Leary was still around And I believe they still edit it this way But in Canada Each pitch Doesn't get interrupted by a commercial break Whereas in Shark Tank You could be watching a pitch And they'll be like

Oh but it's time for a commercial and then they'll come back to the same pitch. Each pitch is contained within the same block, right? Sure. That pisses me off when I'm watching American television. Like, oh, we've had three commercial breaks on the same pitch. American television, they leave you on the cliffhanger. It's so annoying.

It's usually on a cliffhanger. Like, we're going to opt for you. And then, like, they're about to say the money stiffer. Other than that, the shows aren't that different than a bunch of medics. That's like the biggest difference between the shows. It's just like a lot of music and a lot of, like, traumatic, like, editing and, you know, the pants. And there's not as much of that.

They do, like, let the guy, like I think I've seen like more I don't know how to explain it like the pitches on Dragon's Den are like better like you actually get more of a sense of like what they're talking about they're usually more like unedited less sensationalist I don't know less sensationalized and then and then usually get like actually worse ideas like the guys who bomb on Dragon's Den like you actually like hear them out like they let you get to like listen to them like if this was American television they probably just want to cut it out like completely but here like

you actually get to see these guys like, I don't know, what guy was like reinventing like stop signs and like red lights. Like that was this idea. It was like so terrible. But I'd never seen anything on like the American Sharp Tank like that. I think there's two different dragon stins, by the way. There's the Canadian one and the UK one also, just to be clear. Yeah, I don't know which one that was.

You could have, you know, are they talking like British people or like Canadians? If Kevin O'Leary was on it, it was the Canadian one. I guess they were British. that might have been the British one. Yeah, Kevin O'Leary's in the Canadian one. Yeah, he got taken from the Canadian show to make Shark Tank. Americans paid him more, so he left, and then the Canadian version just got boring after that point.

So I was forced to watch the terrible. I might be talking about the British one, man. I might not have even seen the one you're talking about. The Canadian one has Kevin O'Leary on it for the first, like, four seasons or whatever. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't realize there was a Canadian version of Dragon's Dent. That's funny.

because I've always known it as like the British one from years ago and thought about that show in years but yeah that's like a good answer for this I have some like funny episodes and like weird like products that are just on the shelves of supermarkets that were like oh yeah that was that guy of dragons den I guess even oh you have that for like shark tank like as you know shark tank oh okay yeah Kevin O'Leary was in the first eight seasons in the

whoa yeah Canadian one and that was I think the Canadian one might have been the first English one so it's saying that the format originated in Japan in like 2001 under like a different name

So this I'm looking at the wiki It's like fucking every country has one Which is crazy I mean it makes sense like why not It's a good concept for a show So yeah 2006 for the Canadian one And then where can I find the UK What does it say it began

Let's see Reganston, British television from Graham. Wow, Canadians did it first. Now, original network? No, you got 2005 on BBC. Oh, no, 2005. We never do it first. The American guys have, like, a lot of money.

Those are all, like, billionaires on that show. I mean, yeah, they're, the Kevin O'Leary has a shit ton of money. And so, yeah, Shark Tank was like, hey, you want to come over here? Not American television? He's like, yes, I do.

Because of course he would. It's Kevin O'Leary. Yeah. Give him a better deal, of course. Who do you think it is? Yeah. He's so silly. He was going to become our maybe next Donald Trump sort of thing.

He was thinking of running for prime minister. And then he was like, fuck, I have to learn French. And then just didn't. Yeah. He gave up. Mr. Wonderful. Yes. He's so funny.

He's so fun. He's my favorite He's got some good sayings Monster He's got some good says Not bar factor six Six I feel guys

I was equivalent of like love island Because that shit's We have love island I've heard about it I think it's called I think it's called the same thing Or we just watch it

Yeah I don't know I've never watched it Yeah People tell me about it My brother told me about it He says it's ridiculous Folks

It's kind of made me want to see it. It's just all like drama. It's a bunch of bullshit. Yeah. It is a bunch of bullshit, a bunch of like fake fights, basically. But then, yeah. It's reality TV. Everyone loves it, though, in the UK.

Yeah. I was obsessed with it. I'll add it to my watch list. Yeah, all fucking 25 seasons of Love Island. I got to see what it is. Jesus. Maybe I'll find some YouTube clips. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, there'll be tons of YouTube clips. Just, like, really. Kind of trashy British people like arguing about just nonsense. I might have seen one episode like a long time ago. Who knows? A couple years ago. Yeah, it was trash. Like, I can't remember.

It's so forgettable. Okay, let's do one more here then from a V for Volta. Are there any notable examples of movies you used to enjoy ironically that you now appreciate in a more serious way? The dangers of enjoying pure irony, I guess. The El Maw. There we go. Done. Really,

would you consider it full irony when you first watched it? I mean, like, yeah, I considered it to be kind of a meme. I was like, there's a movie where a woman cleans her house for three and a half hours. Yeah.

And then I had a much better reputation for it on the second watch. Yeah. Yeah. For its actual meaning. Yeah. Man, like real real trash

like yeah like I'm falling into that like just phantom menace like camp now like I'm just fully in like I'm so brainwashed I wouldn't say like it

but if the question is saying appreciate in a more serious way I find it endlessly interesting to hear people talk about it but otherwise I don't know it's just done it's fucking done

you're done okay I guess Yeah, I guess that's it. I think we're done. Hmm. I guess we're done. I guess we're done.

I'm still trying to decide what movie I want to recommend. Whatever. Yeah, it's your turn, right? I know. I'm having a time here. There's a few. I want to try something I haven't seen before. I'm trying to think what we're going into the festive season,

something that's going to really remind us of Santa and all the... Really, though? I don't know if I want to do that. You can do it. Ralph, you're going to do it. Ralph, you're after me. No, please don't actually. Yeah, I can do that.

Christmas movie, Marrican. You don't want to do that. You want to recommend something like depressing? Well, I just want to recommend something I haven't seen before. There's some directors that we haven't talked about on the podcast. And especially after our, you know, episode 100 poll, we've seen, you know, a lengthy list of things that people would like us to talk about. We've got a bit of extra time because we're recording this one early. True.

So I Should I I'm trying so hard here Okay We're just gonna fucking do it I've never seen this movie It's directed by Bella Tar It's seven hours and 19 minutes long

And it's called Satan Tango That's not how you pronounce it But that's how I pronounce it Satatango Satan tango Is it good That's what people say

Okay Can hold my attention For that long Yeah Are you allowed to watch it in multiple chunks? Oh, I don't know. You have... I saw my watch list already.

Okay, cool. Yeah, if you want to, I'm not going to stop you or anything. I'm probably going to pee at some point in eight hours. Yeah, only to watch it at least a couple chunks. Yeah, so... Is this so easy to find as well? I don't know. Okay.

I don't look that up. I was just like, I don't know. This is on my watch list. When the fuck am I going to watch it, if not? Yeah, yeah. When you have a... Podcast thing. I'm just thinking that live stream we did last time

that whole live stream this movie would still be on yeah it's still be going so be going to be like that out true Bellatar okay this is interesting then 1994

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