Sardonicast - Sardonicast 106: Titane, Jackass Forever, The Thing (1982)

Episode Date: February 21, 2022

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Three, two, one. Mac, get the flame thrower. For what? You heard what I said, now move! That was a clip from my cool cat review when Mama Cat shows up. Cool cat. Yeah. Derek Savage.

He's tweeting it like night. Like Cool cat shit. Originally from the movie The Thing from 1982. But that was the first instance of... anyone using a clip from another movie as a joke in a review ever I invented that what if Derek Savage is the thing alien like the alien would explain something as long as he's in the mama cat suit it's terrifying so I'm Adam from your movie sucks this is Sardonicast everybody I'm Ralph how are you hi I'm asked my G but I thought we had the

order down pat I thought that was good for a good sec if if Alex, if you were consistently second, the order might just be down. I don't know what's happening. Yeah, fuck it. Maybe I should just start doing a second. Maybe you should both compete and see who gets the second one first. I usually go to second, I thought.

You could take second. I mean, that's fine. I respect my elders. I love the way that we're doing it right now. Don't ever change. Yeah, sure. This is great. Yeah, it keeps it more exciting, doesn't it?

Alex, if you want the second spot, yeah, we can decide right now. No, let's compete. I'm cool with it. Okay. Yeah, maybe I'll try and jump into second spot next time I'll let you have it. Yeah, maybe like try and psych him out. All right, so, uh, Oscars, uh, nominations, which... Yeah, another year of this.

Another year. Isn't this like the first thing we did? I'm doing the... Ever on the podcast? That was our first episode. Yeah, it was. How many of these we'd done? Yeah, the year Cloverbill Paradox was up for all the awards.

The Oscars suck. They suck. They're not as bad as the Golden Globes, but they suck. Yeah, the nominations are, like, very boring, actually. Yeah, they are boring. Last year, they were boring, and they had the excuse of, well, no movies came out because COVID. And now they don't really have that excuse. I mean, it's not like they ever really did the year before,

but now they super don't have that excuse. And they just pick the most boring movies they possibly could have chosen. Yeah, yeah, some notable snubs for sure. It's like they're seriously unaware of what's out in a year. Sorry, editor. I'm playing the Oscar music. Oh, sure. Do you want to read off some of the categories, Alex?

Yeah, yeah. The nomination. Yeah. So I'm on the Guardian article that's summarizing it all here, starting with Best Supporting Actress. We got Jesse Buckley, Ariana DeBose. Should I say the movie as well?

What do you reckon? Sure. Doesn't matter. So Jessica Buckley from the Lost Water, yeah, whatever. No one's seen the story. Judy Dench from Bell first, Kirsten Dunst, Parra of the Dog. Oh. I don't want to Ellis from King Richard.

Anything stand out there? Or might just list. I mean, it's funny that Jesse Buckley and Jesse Plyman's are getting Oscar Noms after the year that they were in. I'm thinking of ending things, which is a major snub, but okay. I know. But at least they're going to get it this year. I mean, they got the Nominium.

I don't know if they'll win. It's like when Scorsese won for the Departed. They're just like, we got to give them an awesome. her eventually. It's not even his best movie. It's a good movie though. Oh, yeah, I don't know. Give it to Kirsta Dantz, who even...

I haven't even seen much of it. Kirsten Dents did a really great job. She's so far I liked better than Jesse Buckley and the Lost Daughter. Yeah. I didn't finish the Lost Daughter. I watched half of it. It was kind of really, really way too slow, and it was like, okay, there's only really one direction this is going.

I was getting kind of impatient. It was fine. If it was like half an hour shorter, I would. would have probably liked it, but... Best costume design. This one... Cruella. Starts with Cruella.

Kruela. Really? It's a movie about costumes. Of course they picked it. And Disney owns it, right? Yeah. A Dune, Nightmare Alley, West Side Story. Sirona?

Is that you said? Yeah. Serrana. The one with Peter Dinklitch. Peter Dinkis. Yeah. I would give any technical award to Dune. or West Side Story. So that would be my answer for like any of this you say.

Yeah, like, Dune. Yeah, it's like the visual part. I think Crewella's got it. Had good costumes. She made costumes in the movie. But there were lots of them. There was a variety of costumes. It's going to get it.

That's my luck. Crowella wins costumes. Yeah, I think unfortunately you're right. No, it won't be Crewella. That was a pretty bad movie. You want to make a bet? I don't think people like that movie. Yeah, make a bet.

Five dollars. Make a bet. I think Adams aren't on this. Oh, God. incredible more bets ever since that venom bet but this is a very clear yes or no outcome like there's there can't possibly be

confusion unless there's two winners or something I'll bet on something bigger like director or like best picture not costume best sound then let's do best sound we got belfast do dune no time to die power of the dog and west side story it's probably going to go to

to doon I haven't seen West Side Story yet That'll be out on digital in like two weeks So West Side Story I don't know One of those Yeah, Dune's getting the sound

Have you seen no time to die yet? No but I've listened to my dad complain about it Oh really? He didn't like it, did you? Yeah It was really funny He sent me a message out of nowhere On my phone saying

What a load of crap He's a dad bond fan And he's like I can I can handle when sometimes things don't make sense, but this is just ridiculous. Wait, okay.

You saw it rough, didn't you? What did you think? Yeah, I liked it, but I understand it. I understand what he's saying, I guess. It wasn't nominated for Best Picture or anything. No. It's a sound. Yeah.

It goes sound. It's not that kind of movie. Yeah, it could go to that movie. I think it'll go to Dune, though. Think about how the Oscars voters think about movies. Yeah, that's what I have to think about it, too. They give the awards to what has the most of, the category, not best, most.

Yeah, right? The most obvious. So the most editing will go to Don't Look Up because it has the most editing. It went to Bohemian Rhapsody. Did you see that? I mean, I saw the first 20 minutes,

and now that it's nominated for Best Picture, I feel obligated to try and finish the rest of it, but I'm not going to enjoy it. Oh, man. I just wasn't interested, but it doesn't... No, no, yeah. It'll probably win Best Screenplay, too. It's way too long.

I mean, the only reason it got nominated It's because the clout of like the actors and the director and the message of the movie itself. It's not because the movie is stuck with. Yeah. It's yeah. It's pretty bad actually. And then like Adam McKay defending it. Oh, did he say things after?

I think so. He's like, people don't get the message or something. I don't know exactly what he said. It's like, yeah, I get the message. It's not that funny. Yeah, I'm not too crazy about his movies. No, I'm not either. But like big short is good.

What about best original score then? Don't look up. Yeah. Dune, Encanto, Parallelow and the Power of the Dog. Um, who's got this one on the Rock? I fucking love the score from Power of the Dog. I think Johnny Greenwood has a good chance, but

I just watched Parallel Mothers last night, and it had the most score, so I'm worried. It was, it was playing throughout a lot of the movie sort of thing. Dune is my... That's why I was thinking about Dune there.

Yeah, Dune might be in that name. Like, yeah. Johnny Greenwood's got like a really good name for it, too. I think the Academy likes him. I'm actually pissed because I thought, you know how Trent Resner and Atticus Ross were nominated for two different songs

with Soul and one other thing? I think Johnny Greenwood should have had two nominations this year. I honestly think his score for Spencer was better than the Power of the Dog's score, honestly. Yeah, if Spencer was there, I would be like, this is my favorite, but because Power of the Dog is there, I have to say that. He did licorish beat.

Yeah, not much of Spencer, actually. I know, just actors. Yeah, Spencer. I saw some... It's kind of a sub. I thought it was much better of a film than... I think Jackie probably only got actress, too, but... Best Adapted Screenplay, Then. We got Coda, Drive My Car, Dune, the Lost Daughter, and the Power of the Dog.

I think it'll probably go to the Lost Daughter. What's your reasoning? Because it's, like, kind of feminist. And last time it went to... what's that movie the fucking uh nomadland no i think best original i was confusing best adapted with best original but they always got to give it to win what was the um the fuck what was it called it was like the worst uh best picture nominee of that year it was last year i don't know it was the one about um the woman who uh like killed some dudes oh promising young woman

Thank you. Yeah. So, like, that won a screenplay award. And so I'm like, what is this other one called? The Lost Daughter, which isn't, it's a good movie. I just thought it was too long. It wasn't, there wasn't anything wrong with it. But it's like, I don't know.

Who directed this? Maggie Jelenhall, right? Did she write the screenplay too? She's credited for it, yeah. It's like a nice, you know, female-centered, independent-ish movie. You know, I think they want to give it something. And this is probably what they give it. unless they give it one of the acting awards, which they might.

But I'm not entirely sure about that, honestly. Power of the dog, I think. There's lots of power of the dog, actually. Yeah. I think it is the most nominated. I think it'll win a lot. I think it has the best shot at Best Picture, unless I'm being cynical. Mm-hmm.

I think so, too. That West Side Story for Best Picture. I think those two. All right, let's move on. Original screenplay, then. Belfast, don't look up. Lickish Pizza. King Richard and the worst person in the world.

I'm worried it's going to don't look up for entirely ideological reasons. That would be lame. That would be very lame. I think it would be unsurprising and kind of lame. But I mean, unsurprising and kind of lame just kind of summates the Oscars in general. I know. Like all of their nominations are so shit. Yeah.

It's so embarrassing. The Oscars. It's fucking boring. Karan Heinz from Belfast for Best Sporting actor Troy Kotzer from Coda Jesse Plumman's Power of the Dog J.K. Simmons being the Ricardo's Cody Smith McPhee from the Power of the Dog

I'm going for the Kota guy because he's actually had like a long career in Hollywood and this is his only Oscar nom I believe and he's a real deaf person and I think I mean like also he did a great performance but like you have to understand the other angles too you know so um i think it's probably going to him that's my that's my assumption not jesse plemmons why would jesse plemonds get an oscar he did the same thing he does all the time i like him but like he didn't he didn't do anything crazy for power of the dog i like him but he's not like a

a versatile character actor he's just kind of a you know like i played essentially the same guy you know he's todd yeah i like him but yeah It's not. You start. So we're editing. We've got Don't Look Up. It's going to win. King Richard.

The Power of the Dog and Tick, Tick, Boom. I haven't seen Tick, Tick, Boom yet. Maybe that'll have lots of editing. But right now, the most editing goes to Don't Look Up. Yeah, don't look up. Best makeup and hairstyling. Coming to America. Cruella, Dune, the eyes of Tommy Faye and House of Gucci.

Probably Cruella. I don't know. Because they had lots of makeup. They had lots of different. make it I don't think Corrella's gonna get anything but they had different ones and there were lots of it I think people hate Corella well they nominated it for two Oscars so clearly the Academy doesn't hate Corolla too much don't general audiences love Corella right they want the new Star Wars movies that fucking suck yeah yeah

it's not about what's fair it's yeah it's about what's dumb wants to put on the DVD about what's fucking stupid that's what wins I'm so hyped yeah like the best animated feature one is funny Yeah, for best animated feature, we got Encanto, Flea, Luca, the Mitchells versus the machines, and Raya and the Last Dragon. All the obvious ones. Disney movies. Even Flea was just kind of obvious, honestly. Who's going to take it, though?

Yeah, exactly. If it really jumps out of me. Well, probably Enkanto. Enkanto is definitely taking it, yeah. I haven't seen it, but apparently it's the new Frozen, so. Yeah. There was a great animated movie called Crypto Zoo. by Dash Shaw that if the Oscars wasn't so lame, they would have nominated, but they're lame.

So anyway, check out Crypto Zoo by Dash Shaw. That's great. Have you seen the documentaries, Adam? They're listed here. All but two of them, I think. Okay. So we got Ascension, Attica, Flea, Summer of Soul, and Writing with Fire. Yeah.

I mean, like, in terms of, like, who would win, it's a toss-up. I have no idea. So Ascension is essentially just like a documentary. showing like modern China and you know it's kind of dystopian and weird no narration some music here and there but essentially just being like yo this country is kind of fucked up but without explicitly saying it writing with fire i haven't seen him i missed it from some dance last year it's some like indian feminist movie i don't remember the specifics about what it's about but that'll be in digital early march so i'll catch it then because i missed it but what were the other ones

ascension is about like a prison right sorry atticus is about a prison right I'll be seeing that one soon. I haven't seen it yet. Summer of Soul was about like a, you know, like a music concert that was happening, I think, in parallel to Woodstock, but it was like it didn't get as much coverage because it was mostly African-American sort of thing. I forget who produced it, but some big music name guy. A lot of people really loved it. I was like, I don't know. I wasn't super into it. I don't love music documentaries. I'm kind of, I kind of get bored by them because a lot of it is just like playing the songs that if I'm not like a huge fan of the artist already or something it's like

I don't know like there there was a deeper more political story in there I just I wasn't into it in the same way that I wasn't into the new Edgar Wright to whatever band he covered oh yeah and have you seen like the Peter Jackson Beatles I haven't seen that one yet but yeah like music documentaries are hit or miss like I can't did they don't hold my attention and that doesn't mean they're bad they just don't hold my attention as much was there one documentary I missed there? I think you got them all. I sent Shenatica, Flea, Summeris, or So, Rang with Fire.

Yeah, flee is one where I just can't get behind the character design. It's like an animated documentary foreign thing, and it's about, like, you know, a gay person or a gay couple fleeing from, I forget, Afghanistan or some Middle Eastern country. I tried watching it twice at, like, two different festivals, and I was just like, I couldn't get past the first 15 minutes because I couldn't get behind the tone. I couldn't get behind the character design. and I was just like, fuck, I wish it was animated differently. I like, I can't feel emotion for these characters with their faces looking like that.

It was just really weird. Really? Yeah. Because I've seen some screenshots from it and it looked okay. Does it not work in motion? It's just the animation's way too basic and doesn't really show a lot of facial expression. They don't really utilize the genre to the fullest. I'm like, this might as well be recreated in live action.

Like, what's the fucking point of animating it sort of thing? I don't know. I couldn't get into it. I tried twice, so whatever. It'll probably win something, actually. Because it's nominated for three categories, right? It'll win, it'll probably win documentary, if anything. What best original song, then?

We've got Be Alive from King Richard. Dos Orogwitus. Sorry for the pronunciation. Pronunciation, Jesus. From Encanto, down to joy from Belfast. No time to die. No time to die. And somehow you do from four good days.

Encanto's winning. I haven't even heard it It's winning I'd be shocked if it If it wasn't the Encanter one People are saying it's the new Frozen The Irish thing is it So

Cinematography We've got Dune Nightmare Alley The Power of the Dog The Tragedy of Macbeth Westside story Could go to any of them honestly There's good reasons for

Yeah For all of them Yeah I think it'll go to Dune I mean Dune has that like promotional thing Where they're talking about How they were using like

Yeah Who knows they might put that into visual effects, though. And they're talking about using like, you know, instead of green screens, they're using like brown-grey screens so the light bounces off. It's like that has to do with effects, but it also kind of has to do with lighting too. So it's like, I don't know, it depends what category you. Well, yeah, it's just again down to these like super broad categories. They just don't do a very good job of summarizing.

Best international feature then. Drive my car, flee, the hand of God. Donana, a yak in the classroom, and the worst person in the world. Worst person in the world's my favorite. Drive my car is going to win because it's nominated for Best Picture. Yeah. Best production design. We got Dune, Nightmare Alley, the Power of the Dog, the Tragedy of Macbeth, and Westside story.

Surely Dune. I think Nightmare Alley's got a good shot at this one, actually. Production design? Yeah. Yeah. I think it does. Dune could get it, too, but I think Nightmare Alley does not have a... zero chance for sure

actually yeah they'll probably give Dune the best visual effects won't they which is the next one yeah which is Dune the free guy that Shang Chi and the legend of the 10 rings no time to die and Spider-Man no way home so

I think free guy yeah there were a lot of visual effects in free guy right yeah so I think it's free guy just loads it would be it would be kind of sad embarrassing if it won. I don't think it would win. It's sad and embarrassing already that it's

nominated, right? Yeah, the fact it's there is embarrassing enough. Yeah. You might as well just give it to free guy. Just give it to free guy. If I can give it best picture to free guy. Give it all the Oscars. Give it best picture. Yeah. Ryan Reynolds, best actor. So yeah, it's exactly what you're saying with like Shang Chi being there. It doesn't have bad visual effects by any means. There's a lot. But just because it has a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't matter how they implemented or they have a very short attention span and it's very difficult for them to remember movies in the year so they just go oh this one had special effects in it let's let's do that one best actress we got jessica chastain Olivia Coleman Penelope Cruz Nicole Kibman and

Kristen Stewart um only Kristen Stewart I think Kristen Stewart I think she'll win yeah why not I think it's her time. I think she did a great job, so. I don't think any of those other performances stand out. What were the other ones? Penelope Cruz, Olivia Coleman. You know. Penelope Cruz, Nicole Kimmel. Olivia Coleman, yeah. Did she win for the favorite? She did. Yeah. You know, she won already. Yeah, but that was

two years ago. She can win again, but you know. Yeah, I know. They probably like her, so you never know. Yeah, they could give it to her again. I mean, she did a really great job in that movie, but. I haven't seen Spencer, but there's the most boss around that movie. Yeah. Kristen Stewart. I haven't even seen her. I'm just. I'm just, saying from the buzz, I think it's going to be Spencer. I think Spencer's going to win. It'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen. Best actor then. We've got Javier Bardem,

Benedict Cumberbatch, Andrew Garfield, Will Smith, and Denzel Washington. Like, what the fuck? There's a lot of great performances this year that were not them, you know? Yeah, I don't even know. Fucking... Simon Rex and Red Rocket was really great, you know? That's the lead.

Name any of the actors from the humans. You know, those are all fucking awesome performance. Yeah, none of those are bad, but there have been better. Yeah, like, it seems like one of those, we forgot that there were other movies things. So we're just picking from this, like, tiny hand. That being a Ricardo's movie keeps popping up. It's like, that movie looks so bland. Like, I get it's here in Sork and it looks so bland.

It just keeps popping up for, like, best actor and best actress because they're big names, I guess. Yeah. they feel like obligated to nominate Yeah, I like Fucking I'll give it a watch But I have my doubts that I'm gonna be saying like I watch it eventually yeah But it's not at like the top of my list

Yeah I still need to see Red Rocket and like all these All these other movies told me about I wonder if they just gave that one to Denzo What was he in again? Macbeth Oh the McBeth Which I thought was really good

But yeah who knows If you should win again Who the fuck knows for this one For that especially he's I don't moving on uh

penultimate one here best director we got Kenneth Brunner uh drive my car oh that's weird they put it the wrong way around for this one

uh Ryuski Hammoguchi for drive my car Paul Thomas Anderson Jane Campion and Steven Spielberg fucking give it to Jane

you know yeah why not yeah they could give it to Spielberg I think that would be my pick actually. I don't know. Are we really giving Spielberg another Oscar?

It's really well done. He's old and he's white. He's had his time. I think out of any of those movies he directed the best movie. Yeah, I don't know. I'll see when I watch it. It could be Jane also. Yeah, she did a really great job. And then what were the first? I wouldn't pick the right any. I really

I love licorice pizza also. I think that would, but I don't think they're going to pick that because it's too. Yeah, I don't think so. It's too original and unique and different. So, like, Giermo doesn't have a nomination for director? Because he did some great directing. That was really weird. He won best director, like, last time he made a movie.

Yeah. The last movie. And now he's not even nominated. Yeah, like, it makes no sense. Like, the awards make no sense. And honestly, like, Yo Kim Treyer for the worst person in the world, that could have easily earned the best director nomination. It only got screenplay in foreign, right?

So. Yeah, Nightmare Allie is barely on here. I thought that was really good. I expected to some more of it. I like that more than don't look up. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm seeing it this week. So best picture then.

Belfast, Coda, don't look up, drive my car, Dune, King Richard, Lickish Pizza, Nightmare Alley, The Power of the Dog, and West Side Story. I think Power of the Dog's got the best chance,

but if I'm being cynical, then it'll go to either Don't Look Up or Coda, because Coda is a very, like, Oscar baity movie, and, don't look up is just fucking stupid and topical and of course

you know like I hope to look up it could fucking the best picture that would be one of the worst it went to green book Ralph it went to green book that would be one of the worst

I would say my cynical pick would be power of the dog even though I don't hate that movie like I don't think it's bad cynical about it my pick would be West Side Story again I think that's the best

movie out of any of these or Dune but I think West Side Story it could be that I mean, I hope it's one of those and not, don't look up. I kept calling it, don't look now. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's another movie, yeah. Alex, did you have anything to add to Best Picture? No, I feel like power of the dogs probably most likely. So there's a good buzzer around it. All right, what are our snubs this year? Because I got a few. Green Knight?

Yeah, I mean, like, I could understand at least a cinematography nomination for Green Knight, right? Yeah. Like, that could be, like, even a nod like that. The Lighthouse got a cinematography nomination, so. True. Yeah, you're right. I love the Green Knight.

French dispatch. French dispatch. Yeah. I would consider that a snub, if not only because West Anderson movies are constantly nominated anyway. Like, I wouldn't expect the best picture, but I would expect, like, maybe a cinematography or maybe a performance or something. Like, I don't know.

Yeah. Was Judas and the Black Messiah on there at all? That was last year. For no reason. Yeah, I guess it depends on, you know, it was kind of released. wide this year. Yeah, it didn't have any kind of a release until 2021, but it was counted as a 2020 film because their eligibility goes up until like

January or February. Yeah. Which is stupid. They release it limited on like Christmas, like the very end of the year, you know. No, they didn't. They literally wasn't even released until 2021. They didn't even release it like in Christmas. That's weird.

Yeah. It wasn't released. Its earliest released was February 2021. But it was still nominated As last year Which is funny Because it was premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in February 2021

But Coda was premiered at the Sundance Film Festival The same year as Judas The Black Messiah And that's nominated for Best Picture this year Judas was nominated for Best Picture last year So Yeah it's really fucking stupid Just like I don't know

Just do the year It's like pretty obvious what year it came out It's not sense. Yeah, Crypto Zoo for animation. There's some foreign ones.

Yep. That they're missing out on. Hive. That would have been a great pick for foreign. Sure. Intergalde. That was like one of my

favorite foreign movies. Compartment number six, like I thought for sure was going to get a fucking best foreign language nomination. Compartment number six was not only awesome, but it's awesome in the way

that like I would assume the academy would even like it too. sort of thing. It's like really fucking good. There should be more Nightmare Ali also and the card counter. Those aren't foreign. I'm just saying. Titan? The card counter is a snub. Yeah. Kind of a fucking snub? Yeah. Too cool for the Oscars. Way too cool for the Oscars.

They don't like anything horror, do they really? I mean, they like Guillermo's version of horror where it's mostly a drama and then some gore kind of happens at a couple parts and that's it. But they don't like anything actually challenging, right? Yeah. They only like dramas. They don't seem to like anything experimental or like a genre of film. No.

I'm shocked like Lord of the Rings one. That's like such a rare occurrence, you know. Oh, it's because they're great. I mean, they deserve them. Yeah, you can't ignore them. Documentaries, all light everywhere. Amazing documentary. Everyone should check out.

And also listening to Kenny G., which is currently my favorite movie of the year. I thought it was an awesome documentary. Okay. Mm-hmm. And then, yeah, like, fuck. movies. Red Rocket should have been nominated for a bunch of shit, honestly.

Red Rocket, pick. Sean Baker gets nominated all the time. The humans, super snubbed. Fuck, there's so many interesting movies that they could have nominated. I would have been fine with the pig nomination. You're absolutely right. But, like, they just, they pick the most boring possible shit they

possibly can. And it's really frustrating. Yeah, with the recency bus. Yeah, it's just so goddamn boring. It's all the big movies. It's like, yeah, it's just the biggest movies from the biggest studio. Boring and obvious. Skewed. Yeah. Bias. No point.

Yeah, there's a lot they're missing on there. Some good movies on there. And that's the Oscars. Yay. I love the Oscars. My favorite. They're just there to promote indie films, even though you should just watch them. That's a permitted free guy, Disney movies. Yay.

He used the lightsaber and the Captain America Shield at the same time. Yeah, and Chris Evans shows up. And he's like, what? Yeah. What is he says? He's like, oh, shit. Oh, boy. That's what I want for movies.

I want to clap. All right. Speaking of snubs, we all, did we all watch Titan? Hell yeah. Is that how you say it? Tittan, yes. Well, because it's a French title that translates to titanium, I believe. Oh.

Yeah. And I think it makes sense. Interesting. I think it works for that. No, yeah, it does make sense. Yeah, it does make sense. Spoiler discussion, because we've all seen it. I kind of want to get into what it's about,

because this is a conversation that I wasn't really able to have when I briefly reviewed it on my own channel because I didn't want to spoil anything. But what did you both think? Loved it. I was a big fan of Raw. Yeah, yeah, I only saw it yesterday, so my mind is filled with kind of unorganized thoughts about it.

But, yeah, I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah, I enjoyed Roar a lot, which came out in like 2016. but I think this is this is something more this is this is elevating that kind of film yeah do you think this is better 100% better than right I think it's a better film yeah I think there's more going on

there's more kind of unpack and much more well made yeah yeah my only criticism would be like with the ending oh yeah like for the most part though yeah because I first I think I gave this a seven no I didn't I didn't like certain aspects of the ending which we could get into later because I think the very yeah yeah like yeah that was like my only real gripe with it. Mostly it's great.

And it's really, it's fucking crazy. Like, the logic of it and like the gore and the gross out and like the nudity. It's like crazy. It's like the bodilus insane French movies like you could watch it. Yeah, and it won the palm door. It won the fucking palm door. You crazy French

bastards. Love it. Which is weird because it's a horror movie, you know. Yeah. Can is cool and the Oscars are not cool. It's really that simple. It's really that simple. You know, it's great. Like, even if they didn't want to nominate it for like, oh, a best foreign language or whatever, like, they didn't nominate the lighthouse for best picture. They just gave it cinematography. Vincent Lindon, the guy who played the father character.

Yeah, yeah. Adrian's father. He did a fucking phenomenal job. He's like one of my favorite parts of the movie. Like, the emotion and his character and like how his character is played, like he's, uh, not a single moment of his performance that I didn't believe. It hurts watching the guy, you know, and that's a good thing. It's absolutely insane just how great his performance is in this movie. Like, he should have a fucking best actor or best supporting actor. Honestly. Like, if the Oscars care about performances, he would have some sort of a nominee.

I mean, every character is unlikable in this. Like, she's like a serial killer. She's like murdering people like 25 minutes into the movie. I'm like, what the fuck? People running around naked. They probably didn't like it at the Academy because it's so disturbing. like it is they're scared it makes you uncomfortable

this gross out stuff in it but yeah it's it's so much better than raw the cinematography is dope like it's just it's a super well-made film in like all senses yeah like it looks in it's it's incredibly well made like they can't

the Oscars has to admit they don't give a shit about well-made movies they just give a shit about movies that don't make them feel uncomfortable like that's pretty much it right too. Yeah, they didn't nominate like midsummer either, even though that's a great horror movie. It reminded me of that. I love art house horror movies like this.

You know, that's what this is. You know, it doesn't really matter like the logic of it at some point. Because it's about, you know, it's about woman who fucks a car, right? I, well, I want to talk about a deeper meaning, but we can go into that conversation. Yeah, that's literally what it's about. We don't have to go into that right away. Yeah, and it doesn't, that doesn't matter. Like, you're like, how does that work?

You know, it's just because it's a movie. Well, I mean, just like, how to Rouski makes this movie. It's like, you don't have to, it doesn't have to be about something literal. You can tell a literal story with those characters, but it can be at service of telling, like, a deeper story about a conversation or about ideas you're presenting about the world or gender or society, you know. Yeah, and you say gender, and that was one of my big takeaways. I think on like a deeper level, if you take away the surface level, this is about a serial killer woman who's going around killing people until she impersonates a missing boy

and then is kind of wrapped up in this drama with the dad. Yeah, when you start to deconstruct it and start thinking about it, the gender roles and the way they try to deconstruct them within the movie are fascinating, like having the dad is a firefighter, which is like a stereotypical kind of masculine role and the woman is a she starts off in the movie as a she's kind of like a stripper, a dancer, a showgirl again a stereotypical kind of female role

that over the course of the movie she she goes to hide her sexuality, hide her gender using this tape and shaving her head and it kind of comes to her head and scenes like later on in the movie where she's gone through that kind of transition and she's on the bus

and there's a black woman sitting opposite her and who's being hounded by these boys at the back of giving her grief while she gets to kind of hide away and avoid the, you know, these stereotypical kind of gender interactions and just the whole way that manifests is fascinating and is really,

subtle and well done and it doesn't come across as like it's trying to preach some sort of message. It's very, it lets you kind of come to the conclusions on your own through the visuals and just these inverse characters, these yin and yang of this lead woman and this father, both broken in different ways and ultimately coming to a similar point together, even though it's from completely different backgrounds. That's really the heart of it to me. Yeah, that moment on the bus was essentially like her her point where she could have went back to the life of living as a woman, but then, you know, kind of got confronted with and reminded of like, oh, shit, this is the life of living as a woman, you know, with those guys, like, harassing. And she's like, oh, I guess I'm

going back to living life as a man, right? So in some way that was her just coming to terms with that. or I guess influencing her decision in that way. And they play with those expectations in the beginning of the film too where she's kind of stalked and by a fan, a super fan who goes to her car and is just harassing her and being just too forward and physical. And your inherent kind of reaction is to feel sympathy for her, but it quickly spins and you gradually learn that she's actually more of the kind of predator in the situation using her standing to manipulate.

Yeah. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on. Something that I wanted to mention. So to me, I think that there's a huge connection between how they use the idea of femininity in the film and how they use cars, like vehicles, right? Especially, you know, it's a pretty clear concept that they're trying to tie together, especially in the first part of the film where there's literally, you know, sexy, girls on sexy cars sort of thing. And the way that vehicles are, they're sexualized to a great degree. We have these sort of like shows where we present them and clean them up. And then you can think about it even further of like, okay, well, the connection they might be trying to draw is like,

okay, well, these are things for men to look at, take control over, you know, guide around without any real autonomy of their own sort of thing, right? So that could be definitely an idea that they're trying to get at. But something that I found really interesting about this movie when I watched it, not a lot of people are aware of this because not a lot of people are aware of,

I guess, language in this way. But unlike the English language, the French language, among many others, is one where they use essentially gendered pronouns for objects. So when you say the car, you can either say le car or la car. Only one is correct grammatically. And for a vehicle, it's la voireteau is how you say the car in French. So that's the feminine version of that. And there's actually been studies done where they've taken polls from two different societies,

one where they have a feminine pronoun for an object and one where they have a masculine pronoun for an object. And they pull them and they ask questions about what they feel about the object without, you know, revealing what the pole's supposed to reveal. And they found that, like, just that alone, the gendered associations through language that people use for inanimate objects wind up creating these weird psychological associations where people will say, like, oh, yeah, no, this is like, they'll use words like voluptuous or, like, you know, like any sort of, like, traditionally feminine word to describe a car, whereas in countries where they would have a masculine word to describe a car.

they would use more like rugged or like tough or dependable or all these things. And it's very interesting just how these subconscious things that play in our mind in how languages use wind up influencing how we feel about certain things. So I thought it was very interesting that in particular, in the French language, and this is a French movie, La Voiselle is a, you know, it's a feminine word to describe car. So it actually fits into the themes of the film that it is a French movie. that's a great point about the masculine feminine

associations of the language I've completely forgotten about that bring it back to my learning French in secondary school days but yeah that really does feed into the whole the whole messaging of the movie and it is it does work so well metaphorically and just every element

compliments each other so well but for me the real draw was this like nurturing like fireman character and his loss and yeah and just that side of him where it's questioning his motivations because clearly he knows something's up but he's refusing to believe he he wants it he wants his son to be back so badly that he's willing to forego any logic and the kind of drama that comes from that is heartbreaking and leading up to that ending where he's kind of getting this surrogate son almost to replace that hole and just ignoring the the suffering that had to come as a result of it. and just being blind to that misery. I'm curious, Ralph, what it is about that ending that you don't get on with

because that was one of the things that kind of brought it together for me and wrapped up, like that character's art, especially. The birth of her car baby. Yeah, with the Car Baby. It was mainly the CGI on it, first of all. I know what you felt about it. Oh, did you don't like it?

No, no, I didn't like the CGI on it and in like the design of, like, the Car Baby. I felt that was kind of like, It was disappointing. I was looking forward to the car baby. I was one of the hooks. I know what you mean. I know what you mean,

and the car baby was disappointed. Yeah, I was curious if they were going to go into the like Cronenberg, like body horror. We're going to show you a human car hybrid thing. If they're going to go full on with that. If that had like really delivered,

yeah, because like the rest of the movie delivered. If Cronenberg, or like the Carpenter movie we're going to talk about later, has some great scenes like that. I was missing some of that in the ending. Yeah.

I can understand that. Yeah, my, um... Nothing like thematically or anything like that. My only issue is, um, like, on a second watch, like, I really love this movie. Um, on a second watch, there are some, like, almost, like, weird kind of, I don't know. The one of the characters' names is conscience. And he only says it, like, once near the beginning of the film. The second watch, it's, like, much more obvious, like, when you know what type of movie it is where it's like, oh, okay, right.

And so then you start looking into things about, like, how does he interact with, like, the rest of the character. and he's the one that's trying to essentially be like, hey, something's up here, you're not his son. He's the one that's trying to enforce that. And I guess the question would be like, okay, whose conscious is that? Is that Vincent Lindon's conscious, or is that the main girl's conscience?

I'm not sure. But he's the guy that winds up being essentially killed in the explosion at the firefighter. They're trying to put out the, you know, they've got the gas canister. I don't know. Perhaps that was intentional from, Vincent, I don't know, but one way or another, that sort of leads into, I guess,

Vincent's character just being like, okay, I accept this no matter what it is, and I'm pretty sure that leads into it. And that's all interesting. I'm wondering if there's a better way that could have been done where the character isn't literally named conscience. Because in retrospect, that does seem a bit like, kind of spelling it out. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm wondering if there's a better, like, you could have a name that also translates to that. like there's characters in Synecdoch in New York where it's not literally, you're not just literally say, my name is death or whatever, but it's like you look up the etymology and like how the name originated and it's like, oh, and you get there, right? I'm wondering if there's like a better way that could have been done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Just tiny things like that, I guess. But otherwise, I love what it's going for. I think it's super well made, super well produced film. And there's, you know, it does benefit on a second watch. Yeah, I can imagine that. It's throwing a lot at you. Yeah, and like what I love most about the film is like I saw it, I saw it for the first time at least a few months ago.

And, you know, parts of the movie are just so clear and memorable. It sticks with you. Yeah. It's not like a disposable experience. It's one that resonates. And that's what I love most about movies is just ones that you continue to think about that you're able to chew on more, you know. And also just.

the way it uses the extremism, too. It's not just for shock horror. There's also some kind of humor in there, too. Oh, I love it. The main character gets her hair caught in that pierce nipple, and there's that kind of awkward interaction. They do manage to get humor in there. Yeah.

So it's not just the same kind of emotional beats again and again. I was actually reminded of martyrs a fair amount, another kind of French extremism sort of movie, especially the kind of close-ups on the scratching the same place on the skin and all these bruises and, you know, vicious injuries and focusing on it and forcing you to look at it and take it in. I was wincing quite a lot of this movie. The nipple piercing part wasn't done solely for comedic purposes.

I think that there was kind of like a thematic sort of thing going on there too. I think that, well, her nipple piercing, I believe, was made out of some sort of metal. Like perhaps that was titanium also. Because later in the film shortly after, when they're making out, on the pier or whatever. And the girl's like, is this your first time? You can go lower, you know, right? And she's just sucking on the nip, nip.

Transfixed on it, that's right. Yeah, and she's biting, like, literally on the piercing. It's like, oh, the second watch, it's like, oh, she's interesting in the piercing, not the person. So it's like, I wonder what that says about it. It's almost like that incident where her hair got caught. It was like magnetically or like part of her body was like, oh, gravitating onto it.

Even it was just her hair. Like, I don't know. I'll have to think about that more, like, what that necessarily means. But there's clearly some intention there as well. Yeah. I was also, one of my favorite scenes actually was the dance sequence to that feature island song. I'm a big feature island's fan, so I happen to recognize it.

And the, just the lyrics of that song actually worked really well with the movie, saying stuff like, and this is where we were when I showed you the dark inside of me, in spite of me, on a bench in the park, you said to me. this is not you, but I've seen the way that bodies lie and bodies tend to break. Beautifully done sort of scene. Yeah. Communicates what the movie's going for really well. If you look at the song title and artist's name, like at the very minimum for every licensed song that appears in the film, there's a good connection you can make or the lyricism also. So like the first song that we get at the very beginning is called Doing It to Death.

I forget by the artist, but the artist had something. to do with like kill, die or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, that's where a lot of the, you know, the first part of the film, you know, she is more or less just a killer. She transforms into something else by the end of it. But there is the most like death and violence, you know, like at the beginning in that way. And then when they first start dancing, the just the father and son dance sort of thing, father and Adrian, when it's just the two of them and they're still, she wasn't even talking to

him at that moment. the song playing was a song from the zombies called She's Not There, which is sort of like, I guess, helping to facilitate that idea of like, okay, she's now dropped her role as female, she's now living as this male character. So I found them using, she's not there as a, you know, kind of like a clever little nod to that too.

There's a lot going into this. It's like super well thought out. It's intelligent, it's purposeful. it's super well made fuck you academy you goddamn assholes like you're not cool you're not cool enough whatever very interesting use of nudity as well

it's not just to sexualize it's uh it's very withdrawn and they're just willing to show the truth the reality of it like that and it's the whole gambit too like at the beginning the movie it's like the ultra kind of sexualized dancing sexually on the car

but then you do see the kind of pregnant hunched over a hidden kind of body like yeah it's just a really good use of of nudity because uh it can be a bit a bit much sometimes when it's just it's just about you know sex scenes just to just to just a yeah game of throne sex or whatever where it's just about the sex with this is a female writer and director and she's french so yeah it's gonna get bit raunchy but it's not gonna be like completely tasteless you know so yeah it's french right yeah But even when it does go into the extremities where she's like fucking cars,

the way it's shot and the way they present it is, it is disturbing in a good kind of, you know, the body moral way. It doesn't take it too far. I'm sure it'll awaken someone's fetish. I'm sure she's ruined some lives with this film. I don't have much else to say about it. Some of the movies to talk about. Yeah, sure.

We can wrap this up. I just want to mention one more little thing that pisses me off about the ending. I get really triggered over like bad stuff. CPR in movies like I'm sorry dude you're a fireman you're not you shouldn't be doing CPR on the bed that's not like that doesn't make any sense you were doing shit CPR like I get it there's a lot of other things I could be mad about in this movie it's non-literal you know she was able to kill like six people and you know there's a lot about it whatever I just shouldn't complain but I get triggered by bad CPR and especially if the character is like a fucking firefighter and they were doing CPR earlier

yeah he's supposed to be a lifesaver yeah I had a great time watching this and Just from this conversation alone, I can see just how much more there is to unpack and delve into. And I can't wait to see it again. So this is a strong four-star for me, but potential to go up. Yeah, weird and creepy. Yeah, I'm with you, four-star. Same rating. Dank, I'm a very high eight out of ten.

It's closer to a nine than a seven. Loved it. Dope movie, dank movie. Dank movie for dope people, and the Oscars is a bunch of old farts. So, fuck them. I guess we could quickly mention there was a jackass movie It was the fourth one

Yeah, it was nice to have the jackass guys come back I don't know if you guys were you big into like the TV show And the whole trilogy of movies I'd seen like those straight to DVD Like stevo documentaries where They just brought around a fucking camera And he was like, hey I'm gonna put a bunch of drugs in my ass And like flies across international

borders and then just like harasses everybody in the hotel it's like to the point where it's like this isn't even funny this is just kind of fucked up like I saw all that shit so yeah and to be honest um those original jackass movies aside from i'd say some of the bam stuff with his parents it holds up pretty well like as far as not being you know just kind of hateful just straight up uh it's usually comedic funny they could spin on whatever they're trying to do some kind of joke in there It's good that they made kind of a transition into, like, less harassing people and more harassing themselves, you know? Or when other people are the expense of the joke is on them. Like, it's usually when it's like Johnny Knoxville in makeup being like exploded around just getting funny reactions.

Like that, that's funny. You know, it's not like beating people up, beating your parents up, whatever, and putting it in a movie. But yeah, I thought it was good. I thought it was funny. Funny cameos. Loved it. That's all I'm gonna say Like it's only in theaters

How full was both of your theaters It wasn't that full But yeah it wasn't that full But you got a weird time of the day Yeah yeah exactly I saw like the week after There was only like 10 people in my theater But there were still good crowd laughs

This is a movie where it's like It doesn't even matter if you're in a theater With like fucking nobody You're gonna get some sort of like a Comedic emotional reaction Like yeah it's It's dope It's impossible not to react to this movie

Did you like the whole ode to Godzilla at the beginning. That was fun, yeah. Yeah, I don't, it wasn't one of my favorite openings. Like, I don't know how to compare it. It was funny. It was like, I like this one more than this one. Yeah, they're all funny.

Like, they all have great bits. Like, one of the bits I don't like as much and like the ones before is like the dirty grandpa kind of part, they kind of cut down that in this one, which I appreciated. Yeah, it was just to bring back the character. The new players, the new players they introduced. I feel a lot of them add a lot. Like, there's the celebrities in it. like Eric Andre, right?

But I love like Dark Shark. Like the Dark Shark part of the movie was very funny. Which one was that? He's like, um, he's like the dad or uncle or like one of the guys. Oh yeah, he was great. And they like, they do like the spider thing. Anything with animals is always great. Yeah, they do like the spider.

And he's like grabbing on to like Johnny Knoxville. Like he's so fucking funny. Yeah, like Dark Shark was one of my favorite parts of the movie for sure. Yeah, he was funny. But yeah, I was laughing. I was laughing a lot. like the bits they were doing there's a lot of like dicks in this movie like a lot of dick a lot of dicks and like close-ups on dicks and like you know like you're talking about

the gay movie for straight girl there was a little girl in the theater there with her dad like and they were like so really and she was yeah but like this fucking disgusting like yeah you don't take your kid as long as they as long as they're not actually gay it's fine my I don't know I would never take a kid to someone like this. It's fucking disgusting. Yeah. It's so fucking gross. She was laughing, to be fair. I think she thought it was funny.

But I don't know. Maybe she's European. Maybe she doesn't give a shit. I don't know. But they're like fucking, what do they do? They're like putting bees on their dicks. Just like close up something. All the animal, the bear one?

They were pushing it. I'm terrified of bears. So that one. They were pushing it. Yeah. That guy, that guy in that bear one, He gets the worst end of the stick, yeah Oh, Aaron got fucked in the skin, yeah

Jesus. Even in the other ones, like, Oh yeah, terrorist taxi, best skin ever. Oh my God. I think that is the best, it's so hardcore It's so fucking intense. They glue pubs to his face. Yeah, he's like, why don't I even agree to do this shit?

I'm like, yeah, why? It was awful. Yeah, everybody watched Jackass number two for terrorist taxi. The final prank. I think that's like the most offensive thing they've done. And that's like offensive. That's really saying something.

Okay. The guy dressed so like a, he's like dressed like a terrorist or whatever. Yeah, it's fun. I don't know. There's like some minor issues I had with it. Like one of the music choices was like really lame and didn't add to anything. It sounded like nepotism. There was one skit that seemed fake.

It's with Johnny Knoxville hanging. off the, I don't know, it's like an electrician or something, he's hanging off a pole and like a woman comes up to him. Did that seem fake? Oh yeah, that was more of a. I mean, like a skit. You never know how many times they do it and how many different people. Like, some people are just real characters.

Some people, some people really are that theatrical when they talk. It was just weird. She was just sitting there. I was wondering what she was doing. Maybe she, like, worked for them and she was just hired. Yeah, you never, you never know how these. things get set up. Like, you could, you can, there can be a billion reasons of why someone was just sitting

there. You could have had, like, she answered an ad on Craigslist, but it was secretly the producers and they said, hey, go meet at this bench. And then they closed off the area for other people or so. Like, there's a billion ways that things can happen to be set up that we just don't know about. Yeah, that's true. I've just never noticed it being fake ever.

I mean, most, all of it isn't really, like, you could tell. It's like close ups on everything It's really gross Yeah but it's fucking hysterical I thought I found that like The nostalgia bent to be kind of interesting Because it's just so many movies are doing it now Like the like Spider-Man movie

Star is coming back They decided in the end credits Yeah I'm kind of redoing some of their older skits But like a slightly new spin on it or whatever It's just you can't escape that nostalgia man It's too powerful Yeah I didn't think

I wasn't thinking about that angle until they did that manipulative end credits sequence. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, I guess this is a nostalgia bait movie. Fuck. Nice. It works too well. Didn't have to do that. And then they just selectively edit things like, oh, we're not showing bam.

Yeah. And then they go, Ryan Dunn forever. It's like, okay. Kind of weird. The movie didn't need to be that. I understand why they did that. They're trying to make it more like, oh, this is, we're wrapping everything up. It's from beginning to end. Don't you feel, don't you remember when you weren't so old? This is like your life story here.

They've been doing this forever. It's really annoying. Yeah, I feel like people would have seen it anyway. I mean, Giant Oxfell doesn't do, or they don't do as much as they used to, I don't think. Giant Oxfell. He does the classics, right? He shoots up out of a cannon, right? It's like the same shit he always does.

He does some skits. They're, you know, they've been doing this a long time. The fact that they brought these younger characters in to do some of the, stunts for them, I think is their way of testing the waters of like, okay, can we continue this where they can do most of the stunts? Like, I'd be happy with Johnny Knoxville just being the guy

that pushes the button that launches a projectile into someone's penis. Yeah, he's a great host. Yeah, I don't need him to be getting hurt. I don't want to watch it. Like, it's not, I'm sorry, but like, the whole him getting hit by a bull thing, like, that's not why I watched the movie. That one's funny to me. No, those are great.

That's just like scary. I don't want to see the guy die, you know? I can live without that shit. Get one of the younger guys to do it. I don't know. Like, fuck, he's almost 50. I knew before. I would see Giant Oxfault get hit by a bowl.

Oh, my God. Get shot up into a rock. It was fun without it. It's just kind of stressful. I don't want to see them get actually, like, seriously, permanently injured or dying. Put him straight in an ambulance, too. They all contribute.

That's the thing. Everyone contributes. I know. They're almost 50, man. Even like the side guys. Everyone does something, right? I'd die from that. age 30.

The cup test, I guess. It's the name of the one. That was funny. The one with Aaron getting hit in the nuts, basically. Yeah. Yeah, he was literally a punching bag in this movie. Pro wrestler. Yeah.

Oh, my God. You see like a dent in the fucking cup. Yeah. And it's like a metal cup. Yeah, that was funny. That pogo thing fucking sucked. Jesus. Yeah.

Oh, man. Jesus Christ. Putting your genitals through a lot of torture, but I don't know. Some people are into it. Maybe he's got a fetish for it. Win-win. Yeah.

the snapping turtle in the beginning. Oh, God. I wouldn't, yeah, that's... There's a lot of... There's a lot of shit that I would not do. There's some things in this that I'd be like, okay, I can do that, but, you know, a lot that I can't. Yeah, that's a question.

If, if... For the kind of money they're getting, would you seriously consider it? The Pogo? What? That's the thing, you gotta, like, choose a less extreme one. What's a less extreme one that wouldn't... Sometimes they just do pranks on you, too. They did one where they were doing like a fucking shock collar.

Like that's, I've done that. I did it just to prove I could. I had a friend that had a fucking dog shock collar. I was like, do it again. Do it to the highest level. I'm like, what's the highest that anybody's done in this house? They're like 14. I'm like, we're doing 14.

And then we maxed it out. We couldn't even get any higher. I have like an insane pain tolerance. I just like, it's not about the pain. I just don't want to do permanent damage to myself. If it's just pain, I'll do it. They pull like really bad pranks on each other. Like, you don't even get to pick.

That's why like I would. I mean, you sign some sort of a contract at the beginning. Well, I would love to be there for that. Yeah. I mean, you have to like, they're signing, they're like, fuck, it's like $2 million, but God damn, I'm going to get this shit beat out of me. All right.

I mean, I looked at the budget. The budget said $10 million. I don't know how accurate that is. So if the budget was $10 million, like, how much money is everybody reasonably getting if the budget's only $10 million? They get paid, but maybe they get a percentage of like the box office also, because they're all. passive income, but I don't know.

I don't know. The guy getting pick come dropped on his head was funny. Like shit like that. Like you don't get to pick. Like, it's just gross. It's just disgusting. Yeah.

All right. Well, we give it out of ten. Unless we have more thing, more to talk about in terms of the themes or the deeper meanings of Jackass forever. Yeah, it's a really deep movie. It's hard to write. Yeah.

I can only write it really as far as how it lines up with the previous. movies and it's pretty similar in my mind yeah it's kind of weird seeing them all old and like nearly dying even closer because they just all fucked up and like had years of injuries to get over but i enjoyed myself like i get it like a four-star for what it is i don't know really what else i could want or require side the odd thing yeah i think it delivers right it's very funny i was laughing pretty much the entire thing the shit they're doing is like insane yeah the nests It's a nostalgic.

I was feeling nostalgic. Even the opening, like when he says warning, we're professionals or whatever. That's like the same exact clip from like probably the TV show or at least the movies. I got to read it. Like that's, it is nostalgic. Yeah, uh, Mr. Ryan Dunn didn't really miss Bam. I didn't give a shit about Bam. That was funny.

I didn't miss Bam at all. Yeah. I miss Bam's parents. Bam's parents were funny. they would always like fuck with his mom like driving like skink through her front door or whatever I would give this in 8 out of 10

I think it's I think it delivers I'm giving this one a 7 out of 10 it was pretty fun I'll probably buy it on Blu-ray I wonder if I'll get a 4K version I hope they do a they might do one of those point fives as well

some of the unused footage So you can see the Dix in 4K yeah yeah because they always film way more footage than they put in the movie Yeah, there must be tons of stuff. Yeah, why not? Yeah, that's the credits too.

That's what I love about these movies too. I always stay for the credits. Like, I watch the entire credits because I want to see all the bonus stuff. And it's usually funny, but it's not worth putting in the movie, I guess. You know, because they want to keep it short. Yeah, the movies are really short. I think that helps. They don't keep you there too long.

It's just a bunch of dumb skits and then you leave. Yeah. There's not much to criticize because there's no story or anything. It's just a bunch of. Plot hole. I love them. They're hilarious. They're doing insane, stupid things.

All right. It is time for the movie recommendation. Spoilers for The Thing, directed by John Carpenter from 1982. I also saw the 1951 The Thing from Another World. Ralph and Alex didn't, but I would like to talk about it. I don't have to do that right now. I saw the remake. Ralph saw the 2011.

remake. With the same name. You saw that too, right? I mean, a while ago, I didn't rewatch it. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, I think we've all seen it. I'm familiar with it. We should talk about that, yeah.

Maybe after. We all love the thing. Hell yeah. All right, 10 out of 10, we're done. Now, yeah, let's talk about it. Talk about that first one. Oh, no, I want to hear you talk about the first came to an order. All right.

Yeah, let's go in like order. The thing from another world. This is 50s one. Yeah, 1951. Yeah. So the, what's interesting, to note is the opening titles, the way that the letters kind of

crawl in or like pierce through the screen is pretty identical to the 80s movie so they were making kind of an homage to that. Another homage that they made in the 80s movie was when they go to the Norwegian base and they see this big chunk of ice sort of like

brought out. Basically in the 50s movie it's as if you're watching the Norwegians. They're not Norwegians but they actually go and they do the expedition. They're like they stand in a circle. They're like, there must be a flying saucer under here. And then they dig like a big chunk of ice.

They bring the ice into their base. And they just do so many fucking stupid things. They're like, okay, well, we've got the chunk of ice here with the specimen inside. We need to keep this room cold. Let's smash out the windows. So they smash out the window. Even though they just brought it in through a door. You could just leave the door open.

I don't know what the fuck you're doing, right? It's so weird. And like, the original, both of these films are based off of the original. novela called Who Goes There in 1938. And so this 1950s film, they were the ones that took more liberties and straight away from the original novella, whereas the 80s one was kind of a return to it. So the 80s film is all about like paranoia and it's like it's able to transform into people like who's who like that those are kind of like the thematic ideas and emotions at play.

whereas the 50s one, it doesn't transform into anybody. It's just a fucking Frankenstein. It's literally just a dude wearing a Frankenstein. If you look at the pictures, it's just, it's a Frankenstein. And it's really fucking lame. There's like barely any action whatsoever. And it's not like the dialogue's good either.

90% of the movie is just a lot of these supposed scientists describing just absolutely unnecessary speculation. about things that they have no reason to believe. They're like, they insist that it's from Mars. They don't know that. There's no reason why they should know that. They call him a Martian all the time. They call it a man.

They're like he. They call it all the time. They speculate about things like, I think they determine that it's like made out of plants or something. And so they're calling it like, oh, this carrot man from Mars. Sounds very silly. And like, nothing's happened yet. And they're all just entirely speculating.

And these, like, renowned scientists are saying things like, their intelligence far above ours. Like, you haven't seen it do anything. Like, the thing came to life and then threw a dog and then, like, ran away on fire. And it's like, its intelligence is far greater than our human minds could ever possibly comprehend. Like, holy shit. So much baseless speculation. And then, like, the action that would take place would be like, I don't know, an hour through the movie, there would be like, It runs in the room and they're like, ah, and they throw fire at it, and it leaves through the window, and it's over in like 20 seconds.

And then just back to more baseless speculation. And so they say things like, what if they came to Earth to conquer it and turn the human race into subservient slaves? Like, you're all so ahead of yourselves. Like, these are conversations that are just filling up time in the film. They're absolutely useless. It's just exposition and speculation, and that's it. It's so fucking boring. then it never pays off with anything.

It's an awful design. The Frankenstein, there's no reason for them to believe anything in the film. It's just like boring and lazy and just unspecial and holy shit. It's got the classic 1950s boring movie cinematography where they capture the entire body of the actors like from head to toe, like all three of them in one shot. Like, oh, we've got all the actors head to toe in the frame. Like, oh, fuck off. Like, you're doing nothing interesting here.

Uh, yeah, it's fucking, it's atrocious. It's a three out of ten from me. So it was just Frankenstein. Like, holy shit. There was nothing. I'm just scrolling through it on Femio. Every scene looks the same. It's so boring.

People standing around. Yeah. Like, you're saying about their framing. Yeah, it's like the same framing. Oh, yeah. It's really, really, really, really boringly made. It's just shot like a, yeah, like how every movie was. The most interesting part about it was like, oh, these actors are actually taking real

drags on their cigarettes because they're all just smoking. not fake cigarette smoking oh yeah and then like when they're in antarctic or whatever you can see the seams in the background of like the of the sheet or whatever that they used for like the sky it's like oh god so distracting but yeah I was trying I was giving it my best shot but like over time I was like this is not offering anything here

this is fucking bullshit so anyway thing 1982 great movie what do you guys think I'll start my thoughts with actually I went back and found a review from the 80s from the New York Times, which I thought was really funny, because I noticed the meta score is quite low for this movie for some reason, and it's because there's a couple of ancient articles that gave it bad scores. And one of their main points is one of the things that I think is the best about the movie, but I'll read their quote. One of the film's major problems is that the creature has no identifiable shape of its own. It's simply a mass of bloody protoplasm that as someone, solemnly explained, imitates other life, other forms of life, and thus for much of the movie

walks around looking like ordinary people. And that is just missing the forest for the trees so much. That is what makes the creature of the movie so brilliant and scary. And all of the tension comes from that. Because that is what, it's like the bottle movie, the whole, the paranoia aspect, as you said, that is what makes this movie and that escalation of it and just how every character treats it with such sort of logic. And it seems so realistic as to what this group of men would feasibly do if given this horrifying scenario. I think you've said in the past, Adam, and we've had questions like, what's a, what's a horror movie where just the actions of the characters seem to just make so much sense?

Rational. The escalation of it. And, yeah, the rationality of it. And, yeah, I love that kind of scientific approach where you have it kind of all trickle down from the expert, the scientist who's there, who he kind of snaps first because he has, he has the best idea of what's happening and as it trickles down from there and the horror that comes from it, let alone all the different techniques for the visual effects, using stop motion in there, using map paintings. There's so much on, like, technicality on display. Yeah, I love this movie.

The special effects are pretty incredible, especially for that time. It's super impressive stuff. I think it's the best thing about it. I mean, there's a ton of excellent things about the movie. Yeah, the creature effects, the backgrounds, even the sound and like those aspects of the movie. Like that would, that's what made the creature scary. Like, it's yelling and like all that shit. Yeah, it's excellent. Yeah, the kind of human yelling. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, yeah. That is one of the things that always scared me as a kid because I was obsessed with this film when I was a kid. I found it so kind of similar to alien. It was in like the rotation where it's this parasitic life form. Yeah. I love this. And Halloween, which is, Halloween's also John Carpenter. But it's interesting to see like the same director.

Yeah, very different movies. But they're very different approaches. So Halloween's very minimalist and here's very, it's very much about like the spectacle and the creature effects. But it's still scary. It's still part of the story. Yeah, yeah. It feels like a studio movie just because of how grand scale it is,

like the amount of characters. But yeah, it's still a bottle film. You're still trapped ultimately and you're in one location. But it doesn't feel like a cheap movie at all. Maybe some bad special effects toward the end involving the stop motion But I think a lot of people say that about the movie Yeah, not every single effect is convincing but not every single effect But like you know the big set pieces like when the guy um eats the other guy's arm

He's like doing surgery on him right he's gonna cut him open yeah let's just let's just try and go in order here Because I want to talk about the opening scene yeah, sorry oh don't apologize for that that's fine Yeah like conceptually this movie is like like a perfect idea for a horror movie in terms of the emotions that it's trying to get at in terms of like, okay, the paranoia, right? The isolation. There's a legitimate excuse for the characters

to be isolated. Like, if you were to do this, like, you don't need to have like this whole weird like, oh, cell phone excuse, not just because it's the 80s, but like, oh, they're legitimately stranded. There's like a storm. It's, you know, Antarctica or wherever.

It's somewhere. Frid temperatures. And I love the idea where it's like, okay, well, they can't even. just leave because they'll die. Like, they'll just die if they leave outside. Yeah, the environment's already a threat before the alien. Exactly, right?

It's, it's, you might as well be in a spaceship. Yeah. Yeah. And I love just how that you couldn't have a better way to open the film by having this other crew, the Norwegians, already having gone through the experiences that these characters are about to, them chasing the dog. And the first time you watch the movie, you're like, he's got. guys are assholes. They're just shooting like a poor defenseless dog. What are they doing?

Fucking kill these guys, right? Like, you know, like, what's going on? But then you realize on the second watch, like, oh, God. And if you, I mean, if you look up the translation of the Norwegian dialogue where he's just saying, it's pretending to be a dog, it's a thing. It's not a dog. And they're just crazy. I like, there's not a better way they could have possibly opened up the film, especially just for what they're trying to go for thematically and emotionally. And even where it goes and how it develops when they, that scene where they go to the Norwegian base and it's kind of acts as a foreshadowing kind of bunch of setup as to what this creature is kind of capable of. And the horror that obviously comes from it, finding that there's that guy who's killed himself and he's frozen and the blood is frozen into icicles and watching the creepy, like, found footage like stuff. There's so many, like, brilliant ideas and creative ways.

Yeah, just dump in that exposition and a really kind of straightforward, like visual, needing like a bunch of dialogue it just you're there with the characters so you're feeling the same fear and unknown that they are they really linger some of the shots on like those prosthetics or those dummies or whatever where they have just that splitting face character and they just they end the scene just like slowly I don't remember if it was a zoom or just a stationary shot but just there's so much to soak in and that facial expression of of that right there you know it's crazy well yeah every time I watch it I forget just how

beautifully paste it is. It gets moving so fast and that autopsy is 23 minutes into the movie. It moves so fast and you're getting this pair of so quick and they're so confident to show off those models and those what's his name, Rob Botton, like prosthetics and everything.

They're amazing. I do think as far as those kinds of scenes, the horror scenes with the big monsters like exploding out of people, I do think it peaks at the head coming off the table and becoming a spider thing. I think that's my favorite point of the movie in terms of those kind of creature effects

and just the way it ramps up and escalates and the sound design and just the room being on fire and everything because what comes after it, the kind of final action sequence where he takes it on sort of one-on-one underground. I don't think it reaches the same heights? Because yeah, it does have the kind of wacky, stop motion and that's the weakest part of my in my opinion yeah yeah exactly I've always felt that way they close to the ending mm-hmm or they're underground

you know after they find the kind of little the little UFO the underground part with like the stop motion that's the most forgettable TNT and stuff yeah sure that's sure you're right I agree with that yeah I mean it's really difficult for that to bring down the experience of the movie for me because it's so quick and then And it still ends really strong. Like the actual ending of the movie with the two of them. Yeah, the actual ending's amazing. And they're just like, yeah, everything's on fire.

And they're like, I guess we're accepting our deaths now. And we don't know if either of us are human. Let's have a swig of whiskey and kind of like laugh at our own demise as we process this. And the fucking dun dun, like the great music from Ennio Morricone, right? Holy shit. I forgot that he composed for this until I saw his name and credits. I was like, holy shit. Damn.

It's pretty excellent. Very different style than a lot of the compositions that I've heard from him. It's iconic because of its very minimal approach, I guess. It's not what you'd expect from one of the greatest composers. I think he composed more music for this movie too. And they ended up, yeah, I really appreciate that restraint of, you know, you could do a lot of music and exaggerate how... the situation could be, but it's, you know, it's just like one note, really and like a couple

harmonic kind of sounds. And like, that's it. It's very subtle. And yeah, it's scary. It's really, it's a great score. And, you know, Carpenter captured that with like the Halloween movie also. That is a great score. He understands, like, how to use music and like horror movies and build that suspense.

Yeah. And I'm so soaked into the film while I'm watching it that I can't even remember if this was the case or not. but I feel like it was. Like, when a lot of the extreme pieces of action are taking place in the film from what I remember right now, there wasn't a lot of music.

Like, when things are getting, like, really fucking intense, they didn't do some, like, rea-da-da-da-da-da-ha. Like, a lot of movies would be tempted to do because it doesn't need to accentuate that with any music. It would distract it. Like, it is fucking terrifying what's just happening.

Like, that's it. What's happening is terrifying, so it doesn't need the music there, right? Yeah. Well, it's such a well-made movie. Yeah, the special effects sell it. You don't need anything else. Probably in that original movie, it sucked.

It was like really boring. So he need like this music to sell it. I didn't even see it. This is probably like tons of bad music. Some of the unused music for this made it into Hateful Eight. There's a little trivia. Oh, really? That's cool.

Yeah. Which it's kind of weird. Yeah, that is weird. Yeah. I appreciate the restraint. I guess that's the big takeaway from like the screen. from like the score and horror in general. You know, most of the movies, like, them just talking

and like character development, it's not all creature effects and crazy shit like that, you know, it doesn't really feel like a B movie. You do really like these characters, and like you said, their reactions are very believable. I thought Kurt Russell's great in this movie. I think this is probably his best performance. Yeah, probably.

Kurt Russell really is yeah he's like iconic in this he's just such a good job he really has like control over the situation and like you believe he does like he's like the leader you know yeah but by circumstance too he's an iconic look like great like even just costume design I know it's just like jackets and stuff but he's he's like a very memorable character and look and yeah all the characters are super memorable yeah the ending uh that other character at the ending as well Childs. I forgot his name at the moment. Yeah, Charles.

Yeah, sure. I love the ambiguousness of that ending, you know. Perfect. People speculate if he's an alien or not, or, you know, if they might just die there anyway, so it might not even matter. Yeah. Yeah, I love the ambiguous ending. It's the fact you don't get the answers, though, that makes it effective.

It really works for this movie, not in every movie, but for this movie in particular, like, there was no happy ending. Yeah. Like, where do you? How else could it have ended with this way? Yeah, it's super fucked up. Yeah. And I love that not only is there just that uncertainty and ambiguous nature of the ending,

but, like, that exists throughout the film because when you have these, you know, before you even know, like, oh, the dog is a fucking monster or whatever, you might pay attention to this more on a second watch, but you see things like, okay, the cook character is leaving the music on, he was told to turn it down, and he's like, nope and that kind of adds to his character and then you see the dog like slowly walking around peers into like one room and then decides to peer into another room and you you hear the character say like oh hey buddy what are you up to and then you just see the silhouette of his face you just see the shadow of his face and it's purposefully ambiguous to to make it so that like oh you don't know what character

that was and you know you can see the outline after watching the movie enough times like it's it's clear who that character was it's um i believe the guy who who's who's who's head gets turned into a spider basically. He's the only one that kind of had a bit more frizzy hair. And then watching it a second time too, from that moment on, you can actually see they filmed shots in the movie where you can see him reacting to certain things differently than other characters. You can see his eyes kind of like follow the dog.

You can, you know, the way he reacts to like these accusatory questions, watching the movie a few times, you can understand like, okay, yeah, that guy was definitely like the whole time since that scene was, he was compromised. He was killed, right? So I love that there's this like really engaging, really thought-provoking, almost kind of like game of figuring things out that you can play as you're watching the movie. It's a very active film watching experience for me. That whole interrogation is. Yeah.

Like it's especially in a way it's edited. It keeps you thinking about it. Like it's, you can't watch this movie passively. It's not a movie where you can just shut your brain off like most people, I mean, a certain amount of people. like to think that people are supposed to do watching a movie. Like, you can't. You can't with this movie, that's for sure. Or you shouldn't.

Yeah, it's making you just as paranoid as the characters. Yeah. Well, yeah, the paranoia. That's a huge part of it. Yeah, you're like, who's the thing? And you have so much suspense around that. And, you know, you genuinely don't know. Yeah.

I don't know if they threw red herrings at you. I'm trying to. Yeah, who knows. They kind of do. They do. Yeah. Yeah. With the guy who's holding the key and...

Yeah, they do throw. Yeah. Like, you would genuinely have no, idea how some of these things happened. If he was the only one at the key, right? Or like, somebody must have taken McCready's jacket. You know, there's a, there's, the fact that so much of this takes place off screen and you just will never truly know is just like fucking terrifying. Like, that adds so much to it. Yeah. Well, I love, um, the unpredictability of it. You can't, you don't know what's going to happen. And that's an aspect of films I just love. Like, you just,

you genuinely don't know where the story's going to go. And in many survival things, especially, that could be hard because usually in like survival movies or horror movies, characters just get away at the end. We're like, you know, it's like how else could they end it, right? Yeah, they could have ruined it. Like James Franco, 127 hours, like, okay, he's going to get out, right? Like, he's not going to die there. Like, that's how it's going to end, right?

He can't die. I mean, but here, because it's a horror movie, it's in that genre and these characters, you know, that you do relate to on some level. Like, you don't know what, it's not real. It's not based on anything. You don't know what's going to happen to them.

They could all fucking die in one second. And that would still be in tone with the movie. And, uh, yeah, that suspense is really great. And, um,

yeah, it slowly picks them down like one at a time. Like it's so, yeah, the suspense. It's just, it's, it's,

it's iconic, I think. It's, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what else to say. Uh, You can see the actor's breath.

They filmed in the real... Yeah, the real location. I was thinking about that. There were like a couple outdoor... There was like maybe one outdoor shot, which was actually Universal Studios and they did like a painting or whatever. But a lot of it, they just filmed like

either in the mountains in British Columbia or in Alaska. And they were actually there, you know, getting... Yeah. Yeah. Right. The rest. That was great.

Yeah. Like, not even just for the breath, but like they were using like real snow and shit. Like, yeah. Now it would be CG breath. Yeah. Now they're just doing CGI.

With the helicopter at the beginning from around the base, you get the proper scale of it and you get some cool shots with them coming out of the room. It's legit. It's all practical. It's authentic.

Real fire, right? Real fire. Yeah. Real practical effects. Like all, you know, it's all prosthetics and props and, you know, fake blood. Like, it's awesome.

The first, the first real death scene with the dogs gets me every fucking time. It's like traumatizing. It's so fucked up. When you see the dog trying to like bite its way out with the fence, like that shot always makes me like so fucking sad.

Yeah, it's disturbing. Yeah. And then like the actual creature like Yeah. Tretque dog creatures. It's so sad. What a hell of a way to open up your It's brilliant. Exactly. Like it gets it. It's good that it gets these

oceans at me. No matter how many times I see it, it like still manages to like genuinely affect and like disturb me, which is good. Like it's, that's the point of the movie. Like it should be disturbing. So, uh, props. Yeah. It's just combining the kind of like mammal mass with the insect and crustacean kind of imagery. It's just so off-picking and it makes you feel sick. It's so, it's so effective. Yeah. And yet the characters have like a downplayed reaction. I'd say somewhat. And I like, and I like, that about the movie they like you know they think about it logically and they have to you know like how do we get out of this how do we escape yeah yeah I like that and that's because of Kurt Russell's character again he kind of rallies everyone together and yeah you do get the different kind of types of responses like you do have the guy that just can't take it anymore and like tries to run away and grab the guy oh I love that yeah there's the guy's more yeah it's just everything you could imagine someone doing yeah yeah it's genuine one of my favorite responses is when the head starts crawling away and the guy says you got

gotta be kidding me. Yeah. Like, that's just so great. Yeah. Yeah, that's made me my single favorite moment. Like, I would probably be, like, he's worn down, you know? I'd be like, fucking really. Like, everything's on fire.

Yeah, that's the highlight on the movie, that whole scene. The guy's arms get eaten, and then his head comes off and becomes the spider. Like the best special effects, it's like the most horrific. Yeah. It's gross. I mean, if I had to like sell the movie, I would use that scene. That defibrillator scene is the first time I watched that, I was like, holy shit. Because you can't possibly see that coming. That's like, it's impossible to see that shit coming.

You don't know that that can happen. And throughout the scene, your attention is already drawn to, like, other characters bickering. And, like, there's other things happening. It's a chaotic scene from the get-go. And all of a sudden, like, you know, like, McCready is threatening to, like, blow the whole place up and shit. And this guy's just trying to revive this other person And you have no idea

You have no idea And he just like His own force going into it Oh it's terrifying It's genuinely terrifying One of the most shocking moments Of any horror movie And it doesn't need like a loud

Musical sting to startle you It's genuinely shocking It doesn't need a Bang Fuck like it's just It's so fucked up Just what's happening Yeah

Just the dedication to these practical effects They're changing the entire model sometimes from shot to shot. Oh, yeah. An entirely new, like, so much detail, so much love and affection poured into the, ironically, the grotesque imagery, but it just makes it so fucking vibrant and immersive when you're in it. Yeah. What's crazy about this movie is that that scene, along with the other iconic scenes in the film, they're all just hitting each other back to fucking back.

It's like alone these scenes are like classic 10 out of 10 like every single time a new scene starts I'm like oh hell yeah we're getting into this part oh hell yeah we're getting into this part and it's just like nonstop of like some of the best scenes in any horror movie ever like just fucking brilliant execution and conceptually and like back to it's just no this deserves to be known

as like one of the best horror movies ever I don't give a shit if there's like some cheesy nonsense that lasts for like a minute at some parts. You know, there's parts of it that I find kind of stupid. You know, there's weird shit. That computer simulation thing was kind of silly, you know? There's some stuff that's dated. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Fuck, like, you cannot, you cannot take away from just all those classic and deservedly classic scenes happening back to fucking back, like just, like nobody's business. I don't know. I do have another kind of funny quote from that New York Times article If you don't mind me reading it Like all such movies that don't trust themselves To keep an audience interested by a legitimate dramatic means The Thing shows us too much of the thing too soon

So that it has no place to go It applauds in circles from one mock horror effect to the next It's hilarious It's one of the best things about it. It feels like it's like anti like the expected horror movie It's actually confident to show off the creature that early on so then it gets your mind bracing that

it's shown its cards this early on what is left to come and it keeps escalating and escalating and to go back to the like the physical kind of effects it's it's what's so such a missed opportunity with that

was it 2011 the uh yeah this movie of the same name remake reboot prequel thing came out yeah um go scrap where there was kind of a story with that where they did build these like really elaborate practical models and you can find images of them online but last second they just covered it all with CG and it looks like such trash. And universal refuses to release the original cut.

Such a shame. Start that as a hashtag push for something cool. Yeah. Yeah, that would be cool. I like the idea that these sort of forms that we see the creature take throughout the film, like one of them's, you know, this weird kind of like shoots goo and has tend to the other one's like kind of like a spider crab thing and you know like you have to imagine like it's it's not really spelled out but you'd have to imagine that like a lot of these forms are essentially replicating other beings from other galaxies or universe planets or whatever um that it has assimilated and conquered over time and then eventually left right like that's an interesting way to think about it is that like it doesn't have a form and that any sort of form that you ever see it in is something else.

It's something it's conquered before. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a cool idea. Yeah. I love this movie. Probably my favorite horror movie. I don't see why it wouldn't be. I can't think of one that I love more.

There are movies that are like more well made than this that are like kind of horror. But in terms of like, you know, the basic definition of a horror movie, like, is the shining a horror movie? Kind of. It's a, yeah, but I don't know if I would never call it my favorite horror. Like, I might like, you know. like the Shrine shining more than the thing, but it's not my favorite horror movie. Does that make sense? This is like the best you can do by making like an actual like, oh, people are going to get

picked off one by one and shit's going to go, you know, to follow the formula of what we call a standard traditional horror film. I think that this is the best that it's ever been done. Yeah. 10 out of 10. Yeah, I'm there with you. It's probably one of my favorite Carpenter movies too. It's always been up there for me. I've listed this as a 9 out of 10, a 4.5 star. But to be honest, I don't really have any good reasons for it not to be a 10 out of 10. I do like most, if not everything about it, aside from just the odd nitpick that we've already brought up. So, you know, I'm going to bump it up.

Hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah, boy. All right. Well, I'm with everybody else. Yeah, this is easily one of the greatest horror movies ever made. and it's my favorite up there with Halloween, which is also John Carpenter.

I would give it five out of five stars. We did it. BAM. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. All right, did you want to quickly talk about the 2011 remake? Yeah, how was it revisiting it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should just to mention it.

We don't have to talk about it long. Yeah, I remember the only thing I remember about it is that there was bad CG, things were really stupid, especially near the ending. And instead of doing the blood test, they said, well, they have fake teeth, and so they couldn't replicate fake teeth because they can't replicate anything but organic matter. I'm like, they replicated their fucking shirts.

They replicated their clothes. Like, that doesn't make any fucking sense. Didn't make any sense. Yeah. Anyway. Uh-huh. You're right. The blood test was much better.

Yeah, but they feel like they have to... We need the same scene, but we can't just do the exact same thing again. Let's, you know, fuck. The people shit all over the CG in this movie, it starts out bad, and it gets even worse as it goes along. And by that very ending, it's like the CGI is really bad. I'm remembering some bad chase scene at the end, but just bits and... Yeah, that's what's in my mind as well. Yeah, it's just that the CGI in this movie really kills it.

It makes it look so fucking fake. Yeah. It's so fake looking. And yeah, it's pretty much the same movie aside from like the whole CGI. It's annoying. It's just the same movie, just much worse. Yeah. And yeah, those effects are terrible.

So it's like kind of like a prequel, they're like, oh, we're the Norwegians, but we're speaking English. But I don't remember what happened. Yeah. Is it the Norwegian characters? Like the equivalent? It's like a mix, I think. They're like rewriting it. Yeah, it's just weird.

Like, why? They filmed it with practical effects. said, Alex, they filmed it and you could find it online. Why CG over those and spend more money it just doesn't make sense to me and it looks worse. Yeah, it must have been so scared for some reason.

Who knows? Because like honestly, I'm trying to be I'm trying to be critical and charitable. So who knows? Like maybe the pictures look good. Maybe it looked like shit when it was all together. We'll never know because we don't know the cut. It's kind of one of these like Hutterowski's Dune situation.

where you never really know what it was going to be like, you can only kind of like fan nerd gasm over like the potential of what it was like. I would like to believe that the practical effects would have looked great. And I think that if Universal, you know, they don't give a shit, but if Universal was like a human being trying to prove a point, they would just release the old stuff and be like, see, it does look bad, but, you know, they're not doing that. So I don't know.

It probably looked better than the CG. I like if just conceptually I like practical effects better so it seems like a waste of money like why would you do that? Yeah I prefer something that's in camera. Yeah, yeah. I think there is some practical stuff in the 2011 movie and it does look good like the practical stuff that's in the movie They should have just stuck with that. Yeah, the CG, it just looks so bad. It completely takes you out of it And yeah, the characters suck too. I mean aside from that the characters are annoying. or remake.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. But, like, that's the worst thing about the movies. They, like, completely messed up those effects. Also, no. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Because then it would have at least, it would have at least had been fun then, right? If it had some cool practical effects.

Like, yeah, it's kind of shitty reform. Yeah. He's had some fun kills. But, no, not even that. Like, it's very boring, very lame. It's weird that they decided to bring back the sort of final girl trope with the film, too,

because like the other, the 80s version, it was just like all a bunch of dudes, which, you know, for the 80s, I don't know what time. What time period is the 2011 set in? Not saying women can't be scientists or whatever, but it kind of gets more into a tropey. Doesn't it take place in the 80s?

Yeah, it must be like just shortly before. Yeah, it's just like a prequel. Yeah. I'm just saying it becomes a bit more of a tropey horror film when you gender the cast like that. Oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely. We've got the one girl who survives the thing.

I don't even remember if she survives or dies, but it's like, okay. It's just, it's such a horror movie. John Carpenter, he like created that with like Halloween or whatever. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, he created the trope and then so he couldn't do that again, like in the thing. Like, he can't do the same exact thing again. He's like, okay, so let's make it a bunch of dudes. And, you know, that was cool.

He's subverted horror movies in that way. Like, you're right. Yeah. And then Neil Marshall did the same thing and had, you know, the dissent was just only a cast of women. You know, that's another subversion of the kind of traditional horror film casting. Exactly. So I just, like, yeah, it was brought back to like this weird tropeiness where it's just like, okay.

Has anybody played the 2002, I believe, the thing video game? Because it's on Xbox and PC. I have not. I've heard of this. I have a friend that really loves it and played the Xbox version. Great idea for a game. Yeah, I'm thinking of maybe playing it like next week or something. It's so weird they would remake that like, like, decades. after the movie came out.

It's apparently this... This is apparently a direct sequel to the film. Wow. And I remember I played around with it like a tiny bit when I was younger but then didn't like... Now I'll actually give it my real effort, but I got confused because there were too many options. I was like, what? There's like a meter of like your crew member.

Like all these different people running around the base that are like, they have these like sanity meters or whatever. And you can say like, oh, if one of them's too depressed, they'll like kill themselves or something. I was like, what? It was like too much for me to handle when I was younger But it's got like decent reviews and my friend really likes it So I might I have the Xbox copy here

I might just try to download like in the PC version and see how that goes But who knows? I might try playing that soon I'll let you know how it is okay It's just crazy they'd make it all those years later Yeah, when the thing came out it was a huge bomb As with a lot of good movies Yeah sure not all good movies some of them and and yeah like It's gained this cult status all these years later where even though it was a flop, yeah, they made a video game out of it and they remade it, which is also crazy.

Like even though the movie was like, even a critical flop like you said, like critics didn't respond to it. They thought it was stupid even though like it clearly went over their heads. Like this is much more thoughtful than like most horror films that were probably coming out. Yeah. Made $19 million. That's not adjusted for inflation. but like even if it was that's not good. Do you know the budget?

No. Let me look that up. Yeah, it's in theaters for like four weeks. It says. Wow. Yeah, that's box office moment drum. Ten million dollar budget, 15 million,

somewhere in that range. Hmm. 10 to 15 million. Whatever. Fuck him. Yeah, 15 million. Let's just say that. Fuck them all.

Not a huge, not a huge success compared to Halloween, especially, which costs 10 cents and made $220 or whatever. But it's still a great movie, yeah. That goes without saying. It just went over people's heads or I don't know. Maybe

they, it's really dark too. Like, you know, they all I mean, I guess tip anyways, but it's not like they make it at the end. Yeah, it's really gruesome and violent. And like you said, it's all men. Yeah, it's a bunch of guys like in Antarctica. Like it's not very relatable. Yeah. Like,

Honestly, unironically, this film is also too cool for the Oscars. Because did they have a, they had a, yeah, they did. In 1980s, they had a special effects category. Yeah. Yeah, like, go fuck yourself if you're not going to. Yeah, you did, like, come on. You don't give a shit, Oscars. You don't give a shit.

It's got a slight horror theme, so. This movie makes me uncomfortable. Like, show me, show me better special effects in 1982. Or show me five better special effects. It was nominated for a Razzie Award. Of course. musical score. Fuck.

That's hilarious. Yeah. Well, yeah, the razis are bunch of bitches. They're so irrelevant at this point. Good. All right, let's do a couple

questions. All right, let's do some questions here. If you want to answer or ask, oh, God, I've totally lost it. Yeah, try that again. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer in future episodes

of Sodonicast, head over to Arsla-Sla-Sla-Santis where there's a suggestion threat where you can ask us whatever you like just like I Am Matt Man 3 did who says what's a cancelled TV show you would save

the obvious one for me is Mind Hunter it's so irritating how it's been kind of abandoned especially considering each the structure of the show was that each episode started with a kind of flash forward to the future that was like building

bit by bit. And now I guess it's never going to reach the kind of conclusion. Yeah, this is a big nothing. Yeah, that sounds like that. I would say mine hunter. I haven't seen it. I would say

what was it? Boardwalk Empire. They didn't cancel it, but they gave it one more season. They basically said like the ratings are low. Wrap it up in like half a season. I think they had half the budget or something. Yeah, they rushed it.

I feel like that show could have kept going for like a few more years. Yeah, this is. like major characters that kind of just go away. Yeah, they could have kept that gone for a few more seasons. I think... World Warwick Empire for me.

Yeah. I think the world is ready for more Xavier Renegate Angel. I think it's time. Why not? I mean, yeah. Yeah. It's like it's becoming more of a meme.

It's got like it's a cult status, you know? Might as well. And like weird adult swim stuff just is getting more and more popular as time goes on. People want it. There's a big audience for it. Yeah. Yeah, mine hunter. That's sucked.

That's like a good answer. Yeah. It's just like we're not even getting like a resolution to any of that. Like not even one episode. Mm-hmm. He could make a movie. A movie to wrap it up. Hmm.

It just seems like he's just not interested. He's got greener pastures, yeah. Yeah, exactly. There's some quote of him saying like, yeah, it would just be like too much work for how little like kind of a viewership it had in comparison for that work. He seems to move on very quickly. like same with the girl with a dragon tattoo like he made one thing it's like I'm not going to make the other

I'm just move on make a show and then he doesn't finish the show yeah there might be there might be some ones that I'm not thinking of but I don't know there's some like clone high a lot of people love it's not like my favorite show but it was just like oh damn like only like one season

of thing, you know. Kenny versus Spenny, if you did it right, like, I would love to see more of that. I would like to see more of that. That would be cool to bring back. I mean, I can never get enough of Nathan for you, but I respect his decision to end it on finding Francis, so, like, I can't even really say that because I respect it so much. But you could do Nathan for you. I'd see more of that.

Is Eric Andre canceled, or is that still going? Because I want to see more of that shit. Yeah, I want to see more of that too. No, I'm talking about the show canceled, literally. Oh, sorry That's funny That is funny Yeah, that is funny

Yeah, I don't know Okay Let's do this one From Joe R-C-K What's the most hours You've ever put in a video game And also which one did you put the most hours in But didn't particularly like

Um My answer is the same for both And that's the original destiny Uh I'd like an abusive relationship with that game Um, it's kind of like design from its core to get you addicted to its gameplay loops. And if you have somewhat addicted personality, that, that shit had its hooks in me. Um, that took a bit to get off. Um, but yeah, that was a few thousand hours maybe,

maybe a thousand, seven hundred hours old. Um, I mean, I've probably put the most hours into Halo in, and I don't know if I should count the whole franchise or just one particular game. If it's one particular game probably the first one like I've beaten that so many fucking times like I couldn't it was such a core part of my childhood that you know I couldn't possibly log all of the hours I spent playing it I didn't even consider doing that it was just that was what I did I just played Halo yeah when you're a kid you can just play the same game again and you had couch co-op you had you had couch you could do four people on one console versus each other in blood gulch fuck it was the best it's all I did

A little loom in like Halo 3 came out. Let's see here. I got a few. The most amount of hours I put into something that I was disappointed by it though. I'll think about that. Maybe Death Stranding. Oh, that you were disappointed by? Well, I mean, there's two questions there.

One is most hours and the other one. Also most hours, but you didn't like, I guess. I have a few with a lot of hours. I couldn't measure exactly. I have, I'm looking at it right here. Gary's Mod. I have 1,670 hours. That's Gary's Mon.

Yeah, that's pretty good. Minecraft. I probably have about the same in Minecraft, honestly. Yeah, I probably put a lot of house in my house. I probably have not exactly the same, but like, you know, probably a lot in Call of Duty.

Like, I don't know which one. Modern Warfare maybe. And, and, and, and, uh, grand theft auto, four and five. Those are the ones I played the most. I'd say that.

Just sandboxy playgrounds. You can just fuck around. Oh, yeah. I've, I've played tons. of shit. Well, Gary's Mods multiplayer, and so is Minecraft. So that... Yeah, yeah. I guess Grand Theft Auto also. Yeah. Call Duty. Yeah.

I play a lot of video games now. Yeah. Rainbow Sixthage, I have a lot in. Yeah, any game that's like doubles up is like a kind of a social thing as well. That's why I have so many hours. A commitment. Spend a lot of time on that. Yeah, it's just like Skype with gameplay, you know. Mm-hmm.

Sorry, I can't do this right now. My guild needs me. Yeah, basically. I'm living a double life. For real. Disappointing is hard. Yeah. I'm trying to think like disappointing that I've put the most hours into. Because if I put a lot of hours into something, I probably don't feel that way, you know.

It probably means I liked it. So I don't know. What did you say for disappointed by? Probably Death Stranding. That was a really long game I didn't like. Yeah, I put a lot of that and I just gave up on it. Yeah, I beat it to the end. It was a, it was a sort of like, well, I've made it this far.

There's a point I just gave up, yeah. I was doing the same shit. It was very repetitive. The ending's like three hours long or something. Like once you start the ending, sort of a movie begins. That's a good answer. Death Stranding. For now, anyway.

All right, another question? Weaboo 22 has one. Hulu recently announced they're working on a new season of Futurama. They've got most of the original castback except John DiMaggio, the voice of Bender and many other characters. I'd like to know the Sard's thoughts on this. They need to get Bender in there. I mean, what the fuck?

Bender needs to be in the show. How about this, though? Does Futurama need to come back? Apparently they're doing it without fucking John DiMaggio, right? Yeah, it's Bender, right? Yeah. Yeah. Do you say that in the question?

I was kind of distracted. Yeah, yeah, so that You need Bender in the show Like they should just pay him whatever he wants and get him But the Futurama's been cancelled like countless times And already had like loads of really good ending episodes That wrapped up nicely Yeah, this is the owned by Disney arc of Futurama

Yeah Like, okay Like The Simpsons is still Like The Simpsons has been shit for a while But now we're gonna see what it looks like with Futurama We're gonna get to see shit Futurama Like we see shit Simpsons Oh that sounds yeah

That sounds good. That's the thing though, there's already been some like shit Futurama one of the times it came back it was

Yeah I don't remember Yeah They did like a series of movies or something The movies aren't that great Yeah Yeah

I thought they were fine It seemed like I kind of lost some of it Yeah I was younger when I watched They've had their duds Yeah They've had their duds

And like they started doing that kind of Simpsons thing Where they'd have like guests Like Amelia Clark Would like voice Like a one-off character You know

That kind of like lame Lady Gaga The Elon Musk episode The Simpsons is a standout one I still gotta watch that but I've heard really Really It's fucking hilarious Oh God

I've heard a lot of cranes about it Oh yeah Is that new? It's newish Fairly contemporary Just like any contemporary Simpsons basically Yeah sounds like shit You're gonna have a lot of that like

Yeah that Lady Gaga episode as well is Is awful I forgot Elon Musk is in Iron Man too I think because I was watching that again. I haven't seen Iron Man too. Oh, is he in the court? Because like Tony Stark's at a party and Elon's like, yeah, Tony, how you doing? Like something like that.

What was he named for them? Because, you know, when I first saw that in a theater, I had no idea. Elon Musk even was. Yeah, was Tesla even a company back then? I kind of remember. He was doing shit. Yeah, he was definitely, I mean, he was with Tony Stark. People say he's like the real life Tony Stark.

Yeah, he's in Iron Man too. Wait, let me pull the picture of him. I just want to confirm that it is the second one. Maybe you could be an Iron Man too if your parents owned like an emerald mine or whatever it goes from. Yeah. Yeah, you can do anything. Yeah, there he is. There he is.

So the question was, should Futurama keep going? I would say probably know. Yeah, don't bring it back. Double don't bring it back if you don't have the best voice. Yeah, you need him there. Yeah, what the fuck? If he was in there, I would at least give it a chance. It might not be great, but without him, what even is the point?

So I guess, like, Billy West is still in it. Everybody else is still in it, just not John DiMajia. Yeah, I think that's what's, yeah. Lame. That would be like if they didn't have Lisa in the Simpsons. Like, you know, like, one of them was missing. It would be like if they didn't have fucking Homer in the Simpsons. Yeah, Homer, but, I'd say.

Yeah, I can't wait to hear worse bender voice. They should just, like, take all the old. recordings and get an AI. And let's move into that dystopia. Oh, like a Troy Baker did. Let's move into that nightmare. I think we're ready. We don't have voice actors anymore.

No, straight up. Like, apparently, um, like, you know, in these Star Wars shows, they keep, like, CGing, like, young versions of the actors. They're, like, using, I guess, algorithms or something to do virtual versions of the younger voices. Like, no, there's no voice actors. Like, it's scary. But that's what, like, Disney, like, surely that's their dream.

I think we're ready. Elon's getting those brain chips implants. He's killed a bunch of monkeys. I think we're ready. I think we're moving towards the point. I would love that technology. No, because it's ideal for Disney. It's everything they'd want.

Like, all they've got to do is just pay, like, an actor for their likeness and then let the algorithm do the rest. Yeah. Sounds great. It's terrifying. All right, another question. Let's do this one from Michael Scott, 2003. What's some of your favorite celebrities who aren't great at their craft,

meaning you aren't too impressed by their work, but find their personality and values worthwhile enough to keep up with them. One example for me is Paul Rudd. I don't think you really know a person. That sounds like one of the most parisocial questions that could possibly be able to. You don't know what he's like. You don't know what Paul Red's like. I'm sorry.

That's an image. Paul Rudd seems like a nice guy. You don't know. Leave Paul Rudd alone We have no idea what Paul Red's like So that's a weird I can't answer that question Because I don't know anybody

Okay but do you think Paul Rudd's like an asshole I don't think he's probably pretty much like his image Paul remember when Army Hammer got found out as a cannibal I thought he might have been a nice person No I never thought I never thought Army Hammer was a nice person Yeah I had no reason to believe it He seemed like an asshole

Paul Rudd seems like a nice guy Yeah but I seem like an asshole and I'm a nice guy. I think there's a lot of people that seem like nice guys that are actually assholes. Sure. So you two can answer. I'm sorry I'm being difficult. Well I'm trying to think of. Yeah, I would just throw Keanu out there like I don't you know I don't watch his movies

for his like acting. Fuck you voice you know and all this stuff like but I'll still watch knock knock and have a good time. Yeah. No, no, I don't know. That's the one you bring up. It's the worst. I can't.

I still haven't seen it. It's the most cringe you could possibly experience. I don't know if I've cringed harder. That's a good shit right there. Thanks, Ely Roth. Sounds terrible. Everyone who sees it, yeah, they fucking hate it. They just shit all over it.

They're like, it's the worst movie I've ever seen. I'm like, wow, this sounds really great. It's pretty awful. You should watch it. Yeah. Yeah, I probably should. It's like a weird, like, porn fan fiction, and then Keanu's just terrible acting,

and Eli Roth pretends he made a movie. Yeah, yeah, it's really fun. He's making a Borderlands movie now, isn't he? I know, what the fuck? Fucking bizarre. Wow. He's moving up. Borderlands.

The video game, yeah, onslaught. It's on its way. Yeah, I feel Keanu reads is a good answer. I've just never seen him be good. I've seen him be Keanu Reeves and be charismatic in that light like point break

I like him in point break I like him in John Wick and the Matrix he does his own martial arts I think you said that Alex that's a cool yeah that's always what I've could be hiding something

like in the John Wick movies he does his own stunts yeah it's more his presence and like the fact that he is a nice guy like he gave his Matrix charity his matrix salary cancer research

By all measurements, he's probably a very nice guy. I'm just like, if I don't know someone personally, it's like, I can't say that. But if someone's doing all that, right, like the chances of them being an asshole, I think are quite small. I'm giving him a hard time. I'm being a little bit of a bitchy boy.

The chances of him being an asshole, I'm really small, I think. If like anything coming out about him, like, I doubt that. Epstein 3.0. Yeah, got a ruse. No, I don't think anything like that would happen with Keanu. The perfect quine.

He seems like a nice guy. And that's how Paul Rudd seems. And that's like most of the Marvel cast seems like nice people, except for maybe one who I don't need to name. Oh. I mean, people know. All right. I guess let's do the movie recommendation. I think that's it for questions.

I think we got, we're out of time. And I think it's Ralph's turn to recommend. Oh shit, really? Oh my God. Do you have a list? Something I want to pick for you? Yeah, I got a list here. I want to recommend something.

No, no, no. Recommend something like, I don't know. I'm struggling between something good or something bad. Oh, we just watched a good movie. Just watched one of the best horror movies, yes. Yeah, we just watched a good movie. I want to watch something, Adam Sandler. Let's watch Going Overboard from 1989.

Oh, my God. I just put that on my watch list. Interesting. A couple weeks ago. I was like, this looks so funny. This looks like the cringe. Going overboard. That's okay.

This is going to be interesting. Yeah. I've never seen it. Yeah, me neither. This is just like, I think this showed up on like the bad movies subreddit. Someone was saying this is the worst shit they've ever seen. That is got to be one of the worst posters I've ever seen.

I can't stand that face. It looks so Photoshop. Like is that even? Yeah. Wow. Good pick. I'm excited. Nobody's seen this.

Yeah, nice. Ooh, voice crack. All right, so if you don't want to be spoiled for Going Overboard, 1989, starring Adam Sandler, written and directed by Valerie Briman. Wow, okay. Okay. Okay. Then, yeah, if you don't want to be spoiled for that, then check it out before the next

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