Sardonicast - Sardonicast #11: Cr1TiKaL, Martyrs

Episode Date: July 6, 2018

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Three, two, one. Hey, what's up, everybody? This is critical. Today, I'm on a podcast called Sardinacast. And who do we have here? I'm Charlie. That was actually really good, Adam. That sounds like, he was actually introing it.

Yeah, I thought Charlie, I'm like, did you guys talk this out beforehand? Yeah, we planned it. It was choreographed. Wait, which one of you was talking? Is that, Adam? Or Charlie? Great, you'll never know. Oh shit. Alex, you can introduce yourself first. I'm Alex. I'm I hate everything.

Nice. I'm Ralph from Ralph the Movie Maker. I have to say my YouTube channel name, like the link, which is YouTube.com slash off the movie maker. Last time I didn't say it and people got confused. No, people got confused last time because I didn't say it. So I'm just going to say it every time from now long. Sorry about that.

Well, yeah. You started the trend. Like episode 10 is not the correct time to start changing shit like that. I just didn't think about it now. Whatever. Who's with us? I'm Adam from your movie sucks. Who else is here?

I mean, I guess he introduced himself first, but introduce yourself again. Yeah. I mean, I kicked off the episode, but my name's Charlie. I make shit on the internet. Nice. Big fan, by the way. I appreciate that, Ralph. You got some good stuff, some great stuff.

I would say it's fairly high on the moist meter if I were to have a moist meter myself. I'm honored. I'm actually curious. at what point and why did you start the Moist meter series because that is the I guess kind of like film review portion of your videos and and you haven't always been doing that if I remember correctly that's like a recent a more recent thing yeah I started that about a year ago I don't consider myself a critic in any regard I don't really have the eye for like the more finer details like you you find gentlemen do for me I go to a movie or video game I do games and movies and what I'm looking forward

is just above all else, was it entertaining? Did I walk away feeling like I spent my time well? So I look for things like, did the story make sense? Did it need to? Fucking great. All right. It didn't. Well, that movie sucked dick. And here's why. It's just above all else, it's like a layman's experience at a movie. I don't really pay too much attention to like filming techniques and stuff. If it's there and I can notice it and it's cool, I'll definitely make that a positive thing. But it's just like standardly shot, nothing too extravagant. I'm not going to like take it. points off or anything? Yeah, of course. I don't think there's any reason to kind of devalue your perspective just because you don't consider yourself to be watching out for as many things or noticing that many things because at the end of the day, I mean, like, if you connect with an audience that

has the same taste as you, they can always use you as kind of a litmus test as to whether or not they'll enjoy a film, you know? Like everybody has different tastes and some people's tastes align with others more than other people. Usually mine's more like a frat douchebags view on movies. Well, that is a demographic, so it's an important one to tap into. What is your favorite movie? Of all time or recently? I don't know.

Both. Both, yeah. I'm just kind of interesting what you really enjoy. I've seen a few of your Moist meter things, but I don't know if there's one that you particularly praise. Yeah. So for an all-time favorite, it's The Mummy with Brendan Frazier and the close runner-up is The Mummy Returns. Yeah.

Uh-huh. Did you see the new one with Tom Cruise? Yeah, that was fucking abominable. Oh, okay. I was going to say, it was a holdup compared to the Brendan Fraser ones. Yeah, no, that was rough. That was really, really bad. Would it be salvageable for you if it had a Brendan Fraser cameo?

It'd be salvageable, but, I mean, man, Universal tried to, like, ham-fist all types of, like, dark universe tie-ins. things that just didn't work. They may as well just have like Legos or something. It was great. It was pretty hilarious. It was fucking rough, man. I don't think like, I don't think the mummy movies are masterpieces. They're like 100% 10 out of tens,

but they're just some of the most fun movies I've ever seen. They accomplish what they set out to do, and I just love Brendan Fraser. If you're listening Brendan Fraser, I fucking love you, man. Oh, yeah. I'm well aware that you love Brendan Fraser. Second part of that question is for my favorite of the

year it goes to upgrade. Oh, I want to see that. Interesting. Well, obviously you like it, but talk about it a little bit, because I'm curious. It's a very grind-housy, like a classic grindhouse type movie, and you just don't see that shit get made anymore. So when I got to see that at a theater, it was just a really fun experience, and I think it's done so, so very well.

All the performances, for the most part, really great. And I really like just the whole concept of this, like, nanomachine. badass karate guy just brutalizing men yeah yeah I watched that recently I had to I did a road trip to the States to see it because I wasn't playing in Canada I saw a few other things too like 2001 a Space Odyssey and 70mmeter and I also saw Godi nice there just happened to be a few things at once yeah yeah a few things at once that if I took a day and went to Seattle I could I could check out so it justified the trip for me And, yeah, upgrade, I really enjoyed.

I do have quite a few issues with it, but I would definitely recommend it overall. There's a lot of shit that does not make sense, but... For what it's trying to do, does it succeed in just making, like, a good, violent, fun movie? Yes and no. Okay. It drags a little bit. It drags a little bit. It doesn't really start getting enjoyable, in my opinion, until, like, half an hour through the movie.

Oh, that's not good Well, from my perspective But it's very enjoyable once it does get to that point There's some very satisfying Action scenes Very cool Usage of camera work, I guess And I can't even tell

But I think some of it was done Kind of in post. They did post Stabilization but not in a way where it's trying To hide it, but in a way that it's trying To move the camera along with actor's head in a way where while he's running it was very strange there were a lot of really strange really interestingly executed shots in the movie however when it wasn't doing something like flashy and showy it didn't look that great like it had lighting and framing issues during like

the dialogue scenes but then the action scenes were like really cool i enjoyed it overall do they not have 2001 screening in canada um they had a listing for a screening and Vancouver at a theater that I've already seen I watched the hateful eight special screening there. So this is like the film this is like the film theater. The one theater in Vancouver where they actually have a film projector and a screen isn't big and it almost kind of just

defeats the purpose you know if you can barely even fucking tell. And so I mean that that also wouldn't be screening until July anyway so I was like ah fuck it. I want to see 2001 now and I'll see it in a better theater, so I felt like it justified it. I saw it in a theater recently. It was epic. A nice theater, too. Critical, have you seen 2001?

Because I'm just curious. His name is Charlie. What's your problem? Charlie, I'm sorry. Charlie, have you seen 2001? Penguin Zero, what did you think of 2001? Well, Mr. Movie Maker, I actually really enjoyed 2001. I didn't see it in the theater or anything.

I bought it. I'd tell you about like eight or nine years. ago, I just bought like a DVD of it and I watched it and I really enjoyed it. I don't think it, from my perspective, I don't think it like holds up as this like super masterpiece, but it's still a super enjoyable movie and I can see how it would have such a huge impact. But for me, it wasn't like this, you know, erection inspiring experience that had me just cleaning my jeans from start and finish. But you understand why other people cream in their jeans? Yeah, absolutely. I totally get it. Cool. Alex? Did you see...

Well, I think we've discussed 2001 before. Probably. Whatever. Yeah, I didn't like it the first time I saw it, but then loved it the second time I saw it. That's how I felt. That's why I was curious if Critical saw it, like, once before. I was like, that was a piece of shit, because that's what I thought. How many times have you seen it, Charlie? Oh, I've only seen it once. I saw it the one time. Oh, once.

Maybe on the second viewing, I'd be just splooging on the walls, but for the first viewing, it was just more of a tame. This was enjoyable experience. Mm-hmm. No, there was stuff I liked about it the first time, like the Hal stuff, the, you know, everything on the ship. I liked that stuff, but the rest of it I thought was boring. I didn't understand why the fuck it was, you know, doing the trippy shit at the end. But then, like, you keep coming back to it and you find these new things that are so interesting about it. And you talk to people, and they have their own interpretation of it, and you go back to the movie again.

And I think I've seen it, like, seven times now. Yeah. So, I've got to. kind of fall in the lover. It is a film that provokes discussion for sure. It is, and people just still sit in all of it after fucking 50 years,

which is an achievement in and of itself. It has better special effects than many films today, honestly. Yeah, it does. It still holds up in that department for sure. Mm-hmm. Like some of the color matching is a little off

on some of the effects? Like the background is blue. Oh, yeah, I mean, they're not flawless effects. But like, the models are fucking incredible. Yeah. There's some shots, with like the like spinning station, the one that looks like kind of like two frisbys or whatever.

Like that's, that looks amazing to me, I don't know. Like just the way that the lighting was incorporated. Like there's so many details. It looks perfect. The thing is, when you see it in 70 millimeter and like huge on a screen like that,

you see like little details like they actually superimposed people into the windows on the ships and it's really. tiny and you could barely see it, but you can see it in 70 millimeter. And you're like, holy shit, how did they even do that? It was just a wonderful detail. Yeah, a little bit. I mean, they didn't have it perfect, but it's like, I got to commend them for, you know, going that far to get that amount of detail.

Apparently, it'll be released on 4K Blu-ray, I think, by the end of the year. Oh, nice. I'm about to ask about that. I'm fucking stoked. Are you, uh, are you into, like, uh, the 4K shit, Charlie? No, I can't say. I am. I'd watch it on a goddamn Gameboy if I had to.

I found out the other day that they actually had video for like Game Boy Advance. They had like Shrek on the Game Boy Advance and you could just watch it. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it looks like shit. Oh yeah. It's not even 240P. It's like less

What's that one? 144? Yeah, 144. That's bottom of the barrel. Yeah, like PSP movies as well. Do you remember those? Oh yeah? That was slightly better. That was too Yeah, those were a little better, I guess. It was like UMDs. I had like a car TV.

Do you remember those where TVs were in cars? Yeah, yeah. And the TV was just a GameCube. Not a GameCube, but a Game Boy. Like you could put Game Boy cartridges into it. And they had the Shrek movie, so that's how I watched movies or whatever with that thing. And yeah, it looked like fucking shit.

But I guess it was better than nothing. We just stuck like a tiny-ass TV with a built-in VHS player in the back of the vehicle when my parents would be on like road trips or whatever, my brother and myself in the back. And I vividly remember watching Deep Blue Sea. And just as soon as we pick up, my grandmother gets right into the car, middle seat, and that's exactly when the shark eats Samuel L. Jackson.

I just remember her face like, woo. That's the only reason anybody. Everybody remembers that movie. Otherwise, nobody would fucking talk about that movie. That would be literally just any other movie, but that, what is it called? The subversion of expectations of that scene was just amazing. That film terrified me when I was a kid. Oh, really?

We were talking earlier about how just I'm so easy to scare when it comes to movies like that. I would go swimming a lot when I was younger. And the reason I could swim so fast because I'd always imagine sharks underneath me. Oh, yeah. Same, man, yeah. Yeah, pool sharks, and the last guy out's fucked. Oh yeah, you just have to swim faster than the other people in the pool. That's right.

However, sharks are attracted to movement, so swimming fast actually might make you the target. Whereas if you were just floating. No, you were a dumb kid. I was too scared. You don't know. You don't know nothing. Yeah, I don't know nothing. Is this true?

Did shark nato scare you? Pool's small enough where you could probably beat it to the edge. I mean, if you're just like floating in the middle of the pool when you're like two steps away from just getting out, I think it'd probably be better just to climb out. Yeah, I don't think sharks are a problem in pools, though, really. Yeah. Now a hot tub shark, on the other hand.

Yeah, we don't talk about hot tub sharks. They're only in certain areas of the U.S. Very dangerous. I haven't encountered one. What are you talking about the U.S.? Well, because as soon as you encounter one, you're screwed because it's in a hot tub and there's not that much space to swim.

It's already bitten you by the thing. time that you know that it's there. You'd think you notice it beforehand though. Well, right? It's under the surface of the water and the water's bubbly because it's a hot tub and the jets are on. That's why it's more dangerous. I think you could see a giant ass shark in the fucking hot tub. No, they're under the surface. Adam, if there was, I don't know why I'm arguing this logically as if there would ever even be a hot tub shark, but I don't think you'll see it beforehand. You'll all see. Okay. One day when I'm in the US, fucking in a hot tub and shark comes out, I'll go, damn Adam was right.

I'll invite you for a hot tub party. Oh, okay, but that's Canada. See, that's different. You said there was a, it was a big problem in the U.S. I'll go to the States for a hot time. See, this is what we do. We argue about shit that doesn't matter at all. Sorry, Charlie. Well, it matters to the one guy that's going to get

fucked by the hot tub shark. Yeah, I guess so. You're right, it's very insensitive of me. Can I ask why your channel is named Penguin Zero? Maybe yeah. It's just because I made it when I was, I think it was 11 at the time when I made it.

And I didn't really have any, well, it's my third channel. I had two before it. One of them was called Football Player, like 44, 8. I've never played football, but I used to re-upload videos from a softcore porn site onto that channel, and it got banned. Oh, man. And I wanted to keep making things, so then I made another one, and I can't remember what it was called, but I used to re-upload Cartoon Network shows on it, and it got banned.

And then I eventually, I eventually, you know, and I eventually, and then I eventually, you know, made Penguin Zero, which was for uploading unsigned rappers, not music videos, but just music with Windows Movie Maker music videos I'd make. And I just call it Penguin Zero, because all I could think of was I like Penguins. Oh, Penguins is taken? How about Penguins with a Z? Oh, it's taken? I'll put a zero.

Bang. Wow. Man. That's the story. I'm trying to imagine the timeline where a football player 448 was your channel that made it. Yeah, that could have been the one. Yeah. You get harassed about not playing football all the time.

It really was just re-uploads. The biggest upload I had on that one was, I don't know if you guys remember this one, but there was a viral video where some guy got hit in the head with a paintball, and I was the one who broke that on YouTube because I re-uploaded it from where it got popular. Nice. Nice. Got to love re-uploading. Best content there is, baby.

Hell yeah. Find a good YouTube video you like, post it on Twitter. uncredited it's yours yeah retweets I just pretend it's yours that's what people on Facebook do I made this man I got approached by one of those like

Facebook meme pages I forget what it was but like all their content is just like reposts from Reddit and they were like yeah what uh sign this contract and we'll uh use your videos on our page and credit you and everything and they gave examples they're like yeah here's some examples of other people we've worked with and I clicked on them

and they didn't credit them I was like what are you trying to work with me and you're not even showing a good example? I don't even know how you'd use my content. Yeah, exactly. Like I have maybe a few meme-ish videos. You know, I make like a funny edit or whatever and just 30-second video. I make a few of those every once in a while. But like generally my content is not the type that people would publish on meme pages, you know.

Yeah, because it's good and it's long and you actually put work into it. Thank you. That's what she said. That's, okay. I mean, you got me there. Gotcha. Yeah, it is a bit of a benefit making content where I don't have to put a watermark

on every single one of my videos, like Dole and Dark. Those types of videos people just jump on trying to re-upload everywhere. It's a little unfortunate. Animation suffers from it the most, I think. Oh, yeah, that too.

That sucks. Animation's not a viable thing to do on YouTube, especially if you want to make money. It's just so much, so much work. A couple people have done it, but... Yeah, a couple people have done it, but even... They haven't done it for long, right? Like, they usually go a few years,

and then they're like, I've had it with this shit, and they usually just get work in the industry. Or it just turns into, like, doing a Jack Septychai animated kind of thing, you know? Yeah, exactly. It's just on big channels. Well, yeah, that's like musicians doing cover songs, and then, you know, on their YouTube channel,

being like, oh, I also post my own original music, but like the only things that actually get views or like the Lady Gaga covers, you know? But, yeah. Yeah, YouTube used to be a pretty healthy place for animation at one point, like early YouTube. That's why Newgrounds died pretty much. Well, I guess it's still alive,

but Newgrounds lost all of its audience because people just started posting to YouTube. And then when YouTube became the only place where it made sense to post, they changed their algorithms and then animations just couldn't thrive anymore. And now it's at the point where it's like, yeah, there's

some animation channels that I really like that are doing well but they seem to be restricted to just kind of like story time animation style. Whereas you see a lot less of like parody animation which I really miss. Yeah, me too. And YouTube doesn't

encourage it or promote it at all. They just promote whatever the fucking promote what they can make the most money on. They just promote the most money on. People like me. Family feud clips and shit like that. God. I'm actually curious what you guys think of this, though.

I was reading the other day, they're thinking about doing, I don't know how much you keep up with YouTube streaming, but they have something called sponsoring, which is like a Twitch sub. And they were thinking about making that a site-wide thing that isn't exclusive to just streaming. So someone that, let's say, wants to support an animator would click sponsor and it's $4 a month. And then they don't have to rely on like the watchtime algorithm. That's cool I mean if I'm just wondering what that does

that Patreon doesn't do I mean if it helps encourage people to do it and it's just like one less step because it's like oh it's already connected to my Google account and I already pay for these apps on this same bill then it makes sense but I don't know from my understanding it just seems like YouTube

understands the Patreon market exists and was too late to actually do anything about it kind of like how they were with Google Plus like oh hey, there's a market that we want to tap into, but they're just super fucking late. Yeah, I was actually thinking it's more than going against Twitch because YouTube streaming is,

it's not even like a piece of gum on the shoe of Twitch right now. Yeah. So by having sponsoring be site-wide, so it's, you know, channels instead of just streaming, it'd be able to tap into that market because then you'd support the creators that way, and it incentivize you to check out their streams to, you know, flex the emotes and stuff.

Yeah. Each platform has their strengths and weaknesses, that's for sure. And YouTube tries to attack each and every one of them systematically. Exactly. It would be nice to have like another way to kind of monetize in a more predictable way because, you know, AdSense is so unreliable, unpredictable, fluctuates so much. At this point especially, now with like just random videos getting demonetized.

Yeah. Subscriptions like that could actually be a real game changer, especially for like channels around 100,000 subs like that kind of size. It could really like change the game for them. actually makes some people able to do it full time, that kind of thing. Yeah, I thought it was nothing but a positive idea that they had. And another thing they were throwing on the back of that is like YouTube Red being the equivalent to a Twitch Prime sub, which I thought made a lot of sense as well. Man.

For people that use YouTube Red. I was going to say no one's using YouTube Red for the YouTube Red exclusive content. So that is a good reason to have it. They're not doing a good job as a Netflix competitor. That's for sure. However, I would love to use YouTube Red to just. not have ads and know that me watching people that

that I support is actually doing something and I don't have to have ads at the same time and they get a little bit more money. My issue with that is that despite YouTube Red being a thing for what? Three years now? They still don't have it in Canada. I cannot purchase bread.

I don't think it's in the UK. Yeah. Like what are they doing? It's literally just one of those things where people are like, hey, can I please give you money so I can use this service? and they're like, eh. Like, why?

I don't understand why. If you're not showing us ads anyway, then what about it has to be geographical? I'm making money from other people using YouTube Red and watching my videos. Why can't I use YouTube Red? What the fuck, Susan?

What the hell? I'd happily pay for it if I could. Is it something about transferring the different currencies? Like, is that trouble for them? I fucking doubt it. Is there some legal trouble? Yeah, I don't know.

I'm just trying to think of what reason always do with every product that goes to another country, you know? Yeah, I don't know. That is weird. They're not going to just not sell like Google Pixel phones in Canada. It's like, oh, we don't know how to change the currencies. Like, they figured out everything else. I don't know why YouTube Red is just exclusive to America.

It pisses me on. Everything they do is one step forward, two steps back. Well, there's like no way to reasonably get in contact with them, you know? No. They don't have any levels of support for people with actual good ideas You know?

Well, because it's just very hard for them To keep track and support everybody Because there's so much stuff Being uploaded all the time I get it You know, like I think YouTube tries But I think they're just a little slow Both both literally and mentally

Yeah, and I think the biggest thing is They don't know how to communicate what they're doing Like a lot of their changes are pretty like Benign But they come out in a way that it's like Oh fuck it's Skynet again and now they're coming to take my V-Bucks from Fortnite or something. Yeah.

And they need to be able to communicate it better. Like the subscription thing that they proposed, I think, is actually an overall decent idea. Because if you're subscribed to some creators that are constantly uploading, like, hourly, that's always going to be pushed to the top and it'll overshadow someone like, let's say, Alex upload something. They'd never see it because they're overwhelmed with all of the hourly uploaders. But with the subscription change, Alex's would go towards the top. It makes sense.

but the way they proposed it made it seem like we're going to hide things we don't want you to see. So it's just fucking dumb. They need to learn to communicate. Totally agree. They do a really shit job at that. Every change they make just seems like it's for the worst, you know, a lot of them at least.

It's always just like, what is YouTube doing now? Every few months, there's something new. I've kind of gotten used to it at this point. If only we had reasonable competition. You know who I think could do it, though? Amazon. Did me? No, Vindmi was such a nice idea

But like they had no fucking clue what they were doing Man, rest of peace They couldn't get the advertisers, that's the thing YouTube's got all the advertisers They had such a nonsensical business model It was like they didn't they didn't even really try to get advertisers They were like, okay, you can just tip people on their videos Just assuming that like everybody there would be tipping a lot of money for their creators, you know?

Yeah, but it was like per video, right? Yeah. And like all the content there was on YouTube anyway. Yeah, like who's going to make content for that one? It's so unpredictable how many tips you're going to get. Well, that fun fact, Ralph, towards the end there, like the death throws of Vidmi, they had a real problem with people uploading suicides and they didn't know how to combat it. What?

I didn't know this. No, I knew that because I go on watch people die. I remember seeing a few Disney links. Yep. That used to be the go-to for suicides if you wanted to watch, and I don't know how many people were tipping the suicide videos, but it really wasn't sustainable, and Vidmi crumbled. Oh, my God.

So, Vipbi was becoming more like LiveLeak or something than a YouTube competitor. That's awesome. Well, it was worth a shot, Vidby. Yeah, they just didn't have a sustainable business model. They sent me nice socks in a shirt. Oh, they did? Yeah, they did. You could probably sell that for a friend.

a lot later on it's a collector's item now well if you ever commit suicide or something put those on oh yeah if I ever make a suicide video I got to wear the vidme shirt and socks so I got to make sure my feet are in frame while I do this yes my shoes will come flying off and it'll reveal the vidme socks and people will know I'm dead because my shoes are off yeah they'll know you're dead because you have vidme clothes on I was dead already I was dead on arrival. Put the camera on the floor and there's a chair, right?

And then kick the chair and it'll just be your dangling feet with the vidmi socks. And people go, that's cool. Also, uh, trigger warning. Suicide. Sorry, everybody. Trigger warning. Whatever. I apologize.

Yeah, like, um, 13 reasons why we got to put a trigger warning at the beginning of everything. Do they? I didn't watch season two. I just watched that clip where they talked about 2001 of Space Odyssey and got really annoyed. Which is fucking awesome. Oh, my gosh. clip. I mean,

he could say to pretentious people that it was boring. I'm like, all right, 2001 is one of the best fucking most influential movies ever. I mean,

everybody's allowed to have an opinion, but it just, they weren't accurately describing the film in any way. Like, they didn't, they weren't even trying. It's like they didn't even watch it. Yeah.

Like, they were showing the opening, like the opening credits, because there's this scene where the guy is watching 2001 in the theater and he's bored and they're showing like the opening credits and the kids already bored. Yeah, it's like this isn't even, you're 30 seconds in the movie, you're bored already? Kids these days. Yeah, kids these days, dude, always on their phones.

Anyway, if you don't mind, I wanted to talk about a movie with Critical because the Incredibles too, you gave it in 90 on the moist screen. Charlie, God, dude, I'm so used to call him critical because I always talk about him with friends. Charlie Charlie you gave Incredibles 2 a 90 on the moist meter and and I respect that because again it's it's your opinion but I saw it I did not really like it at all and I am a fan of the original like you are what did you give it though? On the moist meter I give it like a like a 20 or 30 I thought you tweeted saying it was like a five out of ten or something like I thought you rated it like two out of four stars it was like a two out of five which is like it's not terrible But I wouldn't recommend it.

Right? So it's like I wouldn't recommend it really. Okay. So I was hoping we could discuss a bit. Well, we'll know you about it. It's not terrible, right? There's some things that, like Charlie said, like the animation's good, but the animation's always good in Pixar, so I'm not even not impressed with it.

I thought some of the choreography was fun. I like that they focused on Elastagherl and Violet more because the last movie was mainly about Dash and Mr. Incredible. But like aside from that, I thought it was just worthless and kind of a cash grab. And I didn't really see. There wasn't really a reason for it to exist. Money. So you're transpotting to.

Yeah, train spotting two, exactly. So I haven't seen that. I've never felt like I want to. Yeah, that's it. If it had great reviews, I'd be rushing to see it. Brad Bird said he wouldn't do Incredibles too unless he had like a really good idea for it. You know? And it's like, I've been waiting 14 years.

so let's see what he came up with. It's probably really cool and it's like, this is what you came up with. I mean, that's obviously bullshit. Like, he's just been busy until now. If he goes back on his word on that statement, he would never say that. He would never be like,

oh, yeah, I caved in, I'm just doing this for a cash grab. Like, obviously, he would never say that. Yeah, but people use that as an excuse that it isn't a cash grab. And to me, the movie screams lazy cash grab. Really? That was one of the things that I said as well,

well, not exactly cash grab, not in those words, a movie that has a huge impact, right? Like, not the first one. The first one has this massive impact, and you feel it. You watch that movie like, God damn, this served a huge purpose. You don't get that with The Incredibles, too, but what I really enjoyed about it is it captured that same feeling, like just a fun animated adventure movie, nothing that we haven't seen

before. But it brought back to life those characters in a really true to the original way. And the story was serviceable, nothing great. I mean, it's just like a really standard generic story. but I think it was just a lot of fun for me personally to see the characters that I really enjoyed back at it in doing what you would expect them to and a little bit more. I do agree though that it did seem very lazy because it really is just shoehorning a bunch of different tropes into the movie at the end of the day. It's like let's play the most buy the numbers hero movie we can.

But I guess just the way he went about it just screamed that he understood what you would want from it. That's just my perspective on it. Sure. Like, on a base level, I get that it... Like, I wasn't bored necessarily. I thought the pacing was pretty good. Although, it did drag a little bit, like, in the middle. But it's like, when I watch a sequel,

I want it to feel like it's actually building upon the first one and not redoing the same thing. And I think it did have that energy that the original did. Because the original is fucking incredible. And it's one of my favorite... Probably my favorite animated movie, at least my favorite family animated movie. Interesting.

And this was just like, we're just going to do all that again, and we're kind of kind of reset all the characters, and they're going to go through very similar arcs as the first one. And I'm like, yeah, you're just kind of going backwards. Yeah, I guess, no, because I think the Toy Story movies was even worse. Oh, Finding Dory's that, absolutely. Finding Dory was just awful. Toy Story movies do a good job. Yeah, that was, like, pre-Wallie Pixar. Even the third one.

That was when they were still working off of ideas that they had when they founded the, company. Remember that little ad where they're like, yeah, exactly. And then they'd swapped a bunch of employees with Disney animation, you know, and a lot of the Pixar people work on things like fucking bolt and frozen and yada yada. And now Pixar is a company, they're just like, okay, well, what do we do to sell merchandise now? Yeah, that's how it felt very uninspired. Like that first movie, right, Violet, it's all about her being insecure with her powers. And then she overcomes that and asks out that boy, what's his name? Tony, I think. Tony. And then, in this movie, his mind gets erased and she's like, oh, so I'm insecure again and I got to not be insecure.

And she goes through temper tantrum. And it's like, okay, so, so did you, why are we back here, you know? I didn't really have so much of a problem with Violet's character because, I mean, it felt like by the end of the first film, she conquered her kind of self-image issues, right? Like the whole point of her having the invisibility as a power is because she wants to disappear and she's like the lonely got child emo kind of sort of thing, right? And I feel like that got addressed by the end of the film and it stayed actually consistent into Incredibles 2. just every problem she was experiencing from this point

was from everyone else and not herself. Like the first movie it was all internal like oh I can't use the shield because I'm so unconfident about myself and they almost fucking crash and die in the plane because of it but in this movie it's literally like just the dad's being an asshole and like everyone around her is just being an asshole to her and it's all everyone else's fault which kind of changes

the dynamic for the character but I think it doesn't really change It's not like untrue to the character. Sure. Maybe I just didn't think it was as interesting. Because like it was that self-image thing. And it was also her being insecure about having superpowers because her mother saw it as a bad thing. Her mother also, Helen wanted to just have a normal life, right? And then Bob and Dash are the opposite where Bob just wants to, he's going through his midlife crisis.

So he wants to relive the glory days. And Dash is so wants to be a superhero, but society keeps telling him no. Right? And this movie's like, what the fuck does Dash do in this movie? Exactly. No, I completely agree that it borderline betrayed the characters for Dash and Mr. Incredible. Mr. Incredible all of a sudden is just a huge asshole. Like, it's obvious from the first film that he wanted to be a part of the spotlight and save the day,

but it was never to the point of actively wanting his family members to fail. Like, what the hell was up with that? where he's watching his wife on TV being like, come on, fuck up, like, what? That makes zero sense for your character. Realistically, logistically, I mean, that's counterintuitive to your own goals. You want superheroes to be back. If she succeeds, then superheroes will be back. What are you doing?

It just seemed like it's such a weird, needless way to make him an asshole to make some sort of point about parenting and like, oh, yeah, look at this male character, how he's used to being the guy who gets shit done, but not this time. We got a female lead doing it this time. Man, parenting sure is an incredible job for a real superhero. It felt so ham-fisted, you know? That's why it felt like it was going backwards. Because Bob went, like, Bob in the previous movie probably would have felt that way.

But he learns over the course of that movie that he was being selfish and that he was just being kind of a dick. But now he's just back to that again. Do you have anything to add to that, Charlie? Yeah, Charlie. I know I'm throwing a lot at you right now. I can't disagree with it. I really can't. Because at the end of the day,

it really is kind of just the same thing again. It's almost like everything that happened in the first one doesn't translate into the second one. It's like its own self-contained plot, that that could have been an entire standalone movie, and we never got the first one, and it all makes sense. Because they all go through the same things.

You're right. It's just again, seeing them do their shit again is what was just brought out the kid in me, really. I guess maybe looking at it more objectively, and this is what I said earlier, where I just kind of look at it as like a layman, but looking at it more objectively, yeah, it really didn't do a whole lot

to progress the series further. And it reminds me a lot looking back on it of Monsters University. Did any of you guys see that ass blast? I didn't even bother. That ass blast, too. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw that movie, but I really can't remember.

It's like I've been fucking deneralized. It was so bad, and it did everything in a way that this movie did, where it didn't take it further, and it made it boring. I don't think Incredibles 2 made it boring, but you're right that it is kind of in the same place. Yeah, you're right that it didn't make it boring.

I just thought it was uninspired. It's good to hear like someone who likes it why they liked it. So I do think that's interesting. Again, not trying to be like, oh, fuck you. I would be super fucking comfortable with the idea of it being like its own contained story that, you know, is basically a spinoff where the first movie doesn't even really connect too much to it. if they just said it 15 years after the first movie and not directly after.

Because when you have these massive shifts in character, it's like, wait, we just, this is the same character the same day. Why does he sound like an old geyser? You know, like, not just the character's voices, but like completely changing the character and how they act is another thing I have an issue with. It's like it would make sense if a lot of time had passed and perhaps there had been experiences in these characters' lives to make them act differently. but for some reason they just decided that they needed to set the film directly after the first movie. And I just, I don't understand why they did that. And I have to assume that it's because they wanted to spam baby Jack Jack. And that's the only reason.

That's my assumption. Yeah, maybe. But they could have said it a year later. And I could have seen the characters grow again and again have its own. That would have been interesting, actually. Just have like these separate movies that really don't connect at all but have the same characters. It's already paying homage to like the 60s can't be superhero TV shows. Dude, could you imagine the wasted opportunity that they had though?

Like you could have had a 70s or 80s themed Incredibles film where perhaps they even paid more homage to the decade that they were in than they did the first movie. Perhaps it would be like a parody of 70s slash 80s superhero media too. Like there's so many opportunities that they had with this sequel to do something interesting or exciting or innovative, but they just didn't. They took the laziest route possible.

They set everything in the exact same time period because that way they don't have to design any new character models. They don't have to think about where the characters would be at X point in their life or if one of them's had a kid or whatever. Like, you know, you don't have to think about those things if you just do the bare minimum and that's what they did. It was a really lazy cash grab for me. Well, I was just going to say they really didn't have that liberty though

because they ended the first one with the underman. minor coming out like I'm here to you know really ruin the city and then they have to address that problem I guess they could have done it in a newspaper clipping or something I don't know yeah that's true the first movie starts with like archival footage you know could have been one of those yeah they could have been just like an old 60s newsreel because that's that would also fit in with how the first movie started it was literally just news news clips of the telling us what what superheroes are doing at this point you know I always took the underminer thing as like a joke

Like, you gotta end the big superhero movie with a cheesy villain and then they fight him He's a mole I was never like I wonder what's gonna happen with the underminer And then in this movie you never see the underminer again after that opening Oh yeah, they didn't really address it to be fair Yeah Yeah, he still got away The reason why they said it directly after was to address it It's like great but they didn't

He just kind of ran off Didn't they have a GameCube game where you fight the underminer? Is that? Yes Yeah, they did Did you play that? I love that shit when I was when I was six or six or seven whenever it came out. I love that game. I don't know if I played it or not.

I just kind of remember it walks in the guy. Well, that game is the shit, so I give that game 100 on the Moist meter. I don't want to talk too long about Incredibles because Alex has not seen it. Yeah, it's not out in the UK yet, so

I don't really have a choice. Yeah, somehow not out in the UK. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, really weird. So, my only other huge criticism with the Incredibles too. I'm going to try my best to say this without spoiling anything, but the villain made no fucking sense and the villain's goals made no fucking sense. And if you want to hear my thoughts further on that, then just watch my review because I go

into spoiler territory there. Your movie sucks. What's the score like? My score? I think I gave it a... No, no. The musical. Oh, okay.

It was similar. It's fine. It didn't. Yeah, it's the rehash of the original themes. I was kind of like, eh. The music was great. They just didn't play the one theme as much as the first film. Because I really, like, when you think Incredibles and you think of the music, you think,

da-da-ba-ba-da-da. And you kind of want to hear that one song, like, played throughout the film or reprised in some way. But they didn't do that. It was the same composer. It was the same tone. Like, the music was great overall. but I felt like I was missing that theme just a bit when I watched it. It just felt uninspired, like everything.

Everyone was just kind of there, you know, and they felt like they had to make it. Were there any new characters that you liked, Charlie? I'm just curious. No, the new characters were really two-dimensional. I didn't think there was any interesting ones. Yeah, they kind of felt like toys. Void! I didn't like the Jack Jack, Raccoon thing.

I loved that fight. I thought that was the best point. Okay, I thought that was the worst part of the movie Jesus, alright I like that, it's just a bunch of different powers from this one guy Against some raccoon that can match all of his moves I thought that was fun just very old-fashioned cartoony I felt like I was watching Scrat from Ice Age Yeah, that's what like it felt very different than the humor in the first one because the the humor in the first one I love it

I was okay with that scene There, okay, well I wasn't despite hating how much they spammed Jack Jack but still anyway Yeah, there's this seen in the original where they're like Helen and Bob are fighting in a car about directions on the way to like the fucking big villain fight and I love the humor like that where it's like these little family banter things that happen in the context of this grand superhero movie and I thought all of it was so smart and clever and creative and now it's it was like now I'm watching Jack Jack Fighter Raccoon like you know it's like so so far from what I liked about that first Incredibles. Alex, what did you think of the first Incredibles? It's my favorite pixel film, for sure.

Oh, wow. It's one of those films that I've watched so many times that, like, I can envision every scene in my head and, like, every musical note and every line of dialogue. I adore that. Still holds up. We've all seen him recently, right?

Ralph, that's your favorite Pixar film, too? Absolutely. That movie is fucking incredible from Star Time. Charlie? It's also my favorite Pixar movie. It's yours is Ratatoui, right Adam? Yeah, exactly. Which is also great.

Fantastic. That one doesn't really follow the Pixar formula as much, which is why it's one of my favorites. Yeah. Yeah. I mean... Everything about it's awesome. I love it. Uh-huh.

And that's that. We did it. We did it. Incredibles too, everybody. You haven't said too much this episode, Alex. What is something you'd like to bring up? Well, I don't know, because the Incredibles isn't out here, so I didn't have a choice. Exactly.

The first one. I'm just hyped to talk about the movie I don't pick to be honest. That's what I was thinking we just change the topic and get into that. We'll give Alex and Charlie first dibs on discussing it right after I describe it anyway. So we saw a movie. We all saw a movie. There was a movie that we saw. We're going into spoiler territory.

It was decided last episode from me that. that all of us would be watching a French-Canadian horror film from 2008 called Martyrs. And if you're watching at home, if you're press and pause and you're about to watch the movie and then join the discussion, make sure to not watch the 2013 or 2015 American remake. Make sure it is the 2008 French-Canadian film. Otherwise, you're watching a much, much worse movie that has nothing going for it at all. And I decided this movie because I found out in the episode that we were doing with Chris Thuckman that you guys hadn't seen it, which... No.

Yeah, I guess just to describe the plot a little, there's a little girl who had been kidnapped and tortured and she escaped. She got put into some sort of a foster home mental abused children facility. She makes friends with somebody else named Anna, and they grow up, and the one girl who was tortured sees a newspaper clipping with what she thinks or what she assumes or what she says she knows is her captors,

and she's very certain that these people had something to do with it, so she murders them. And her friend, Nana shows up and she's not exactly convinced that these people tortured her friend because they just look like a normal family. And then from that point on, things get really fucked up. We'll get more into the plot because I'm just going to go on forever because it kind of goes a lot of places.

Yeah. It's like full movies and one. Oh, man. There's a lot that happens. What did you guys think of martyrs? And let's start with Alex. I like it and hate it equally, nearly. Actually, I like it more than I hate it.

It certainly left an effect on me. And it was, from beginning, I was intrigued, interested, really wanted to know what's happening. I think the progression of where the story goes is quite interesting for the first sort of act. Then there's like a huge sag in the middle where it's just like starting to get bored. but by the end when you kind of figure out where it was all leading to and what was ramping up to being I did kind of leave it pretty satisfied and disturbed nice to say the least what made you choose this movie for Charlie especially did you want him to suffer

I was curious about that too well I mean like it it's a well I wouldn't choose it for people that I don't think could handle it also. You know, like, I don't, it is, it is kind of one of the more disturbing horror movies out there and a very special kind of like psychological horror in a sense. Yeah. That I don't, I don't think everybody can handle. Although I have my issues with it and although there's a lot that could definitely be better about it, I do consider it to be a must-see horror film.

do consider it to be something that like if anybody enjoys horror they should see this film if anybody enjoys powerful pushing their their limits and being disturbed or seeing something that could you know that would fuck them up or get a reaction out of them this is one of those movies i think you can have an extreme reaction to it um either way in and different points of the film um i don't know how you felt charlie by the end of it did you enjoy it did you not enjoy it own. Yeah, so when Adam assigned this summer reading for me, this homework, I skimmed through it

because I was looking for the right one. Like he said, there's, I think there's two remakes, and I saw those initially, and I'm like, this looks like shit. I found the 2008 one. He initially told me 2008, but I couldn't find it, so I looked at the other two. But I found 2008, I skimmed through it, and it looked like just standard torture porn, shock for the sake

of shock. So I thought it was going to be like a really shitty, uninspired movie, like a Serbian film, if you guys know what that is, or even Sinepede for a better example. I thought it was going to be just some stupid shock to make you vomit type deal that has nothing to offer. But when I was watching it, it was actually a really captivating story. And it had a whole lot here. By the end of the film, there was a lot I didn't like.

But overall, I thought it was a really unique experience and a really, really good horror movie. And I didn't expect that going in. I thought for sure I'd come here and just make fun of you, Adam, for signing that shit. Well, not every recommendation is necessarily a good movie. There will be recommendations I make that are intentionally bad. It's about the discussion more than anything else, right? Yeah, like the movie became a little joke on our podcast because before I watched it, we did a podcast episode and they're like, oh, what are you guys doing? And I was like, I have to watch this shit movie that Adam assigned me.

Nice. So martyrs kind of became a little joke over there. Now I have to go back on record and say that it's an actual good movie. Nice. Okay, cool. What about you, Ralph? Yeah, I've been pretty quiet because I didn't really like it. I thought it was...

Okay, cool. I wasn't really scared. I was mostly bored. I thought it was kind of stupid. But I'm curious to hear what you guys like. Were you distressed at all? There's one way to make you instantly love it, and that's to watch the remake. Yeah, that's one way. After watching it.

I watched the trailer for the remake, and I'm like, all right, this looks like a giant piece of shit. Oh, yeah. That being said, that doesn't make the... original film, I know, or worse. It made me appreciate it way more, though,

because I was like, well, it's actually way more brutal. It just, it doesn't hold back at all. Yeah, it doesn't hold back. I think that's part of the issue for me

and what I find scary, because I prefer things that are, I prefer more subtlety. What scares me isn't like, it's not, I don't know, super subtle. Like,

like she's fucking, there's a naked woman who's all cut up with the thing on her head in a bath, tub with blood everywhere yelling and the lights are flickering and what scares me is like you know a wide shot of a house at night and you see a shadow move on the bottom right corner like that's what scares me like it's the subtlety that scares me but don't you think the we're in

spoilers I guess the scene at the very end that wraps all together where she you know kind of sees the other side or whatever does does that concept not kind of fuck with you a little bit and in a creepy way? I thought that was really creepy. I mean, that was definitely more effective. That was more effective than the rest of it, I think. Because I don't want to say the rest of it's torture porn,

and it's not like on the level of saw or a human centipede or something shit like that. But it somewhat is. I mean, the torture matters to the goals of the characters in the story. It's not just like, ha-ha, this is my fetish. Yeah, but like, what was the point of the story itself? what was this movie trying to say? Well,

I think it's more about how far would you go to get the answers you're looking for maybe? Yeah, that'd probably be the message to take away. That is an interesting. To those characters especially.

I didn't find a scary for one thing and I think there's a lot of just aspects of it that are found in bad horror movies or just average. There are jump scares toward the beginning that I felt were pretty bad.

There's like stock thunder sound effects and that, oh my God, that's fucking stock line Lynn was in it. I noted that down. That I was like, Jesus Christ with this. It was just a very average presentation. Like, it wasn't technically poor done, but everything was handheld and everything's close up and like shot with a far lens and all the lighting is kind of even and boring.

Like the setting had no personality to it. It just felt like some rich person's house and they filmed there. No, I mean, like it's supposed to feel like a normal family's house, right? It's like the subversion of expectations because you're not supposed to immediately know that they actually had a torture room or that they had anything to do with it. And obviously, when those other characters show up and they're a part of this fucking cult, and we're in the same house and she's being tortured and a new family is moved in, it's obviously subsidized by these rich people that are trying to find out the meaning of life after death

or the existence of life after death. So I don't think calling the house like a normal house or a rich person's house is any kind of criticism because that's what it's supposed to look like. You're supposed to not know that there's a torture area in the basement, you know? I don't know how much of that was intentional, though, because the way this movie shot being everything all close up, I don't know if they were even thinking about the setting.

Like, to them, it was just like, oh, just find a rich house and we'll film around it. You know? Do you know what I'm trying to say? I didn't think that it was like, there wasn't like this, there wasn't this emphasis. There wasn't this emphasis of making the setting a character. in it, which I think is a great thing about horror movies, even if you're going to do, like, you know, set it in a rich person's house.

I don't think that they did an amazing job of setting as character, but I don't think they failed at it. I don't think that, like, they did anything going into the negatives in that category. No, but they didn't do anything going into the positives with it. Yeah, I didn't think it was, like, terribly shot, honestly. Again, I didn't think anything, any of that was bad, but it didn't stand out to me at all. And I was just kind of just, I thought it was kind of flat. And even the lighting, too. That's one of my favorite things about horror movies is how creepy you can light it.

And I was watching it like, okay, this is all just kind of, I'm not getting anything out of the filmmaking that's making me feel anything. Same thing with the music, which was all kind of boring. Some of the music was great. Some of the music was shit, in my opinion. I didn't like any of the music really. And one of them sounded like 28 days later. Oh, yeah. huge rip-off of that theme

that must have been temp music Jesus Christ Yeah The song the song where the rich people show up It's literally just a rip-off of the 28 days later theme When they all show up to the house Oh my God I thought something twigged

Yeah I could not get invested That's fine And I've been going on for too long You guys You talk about what you liked So you didn't like the sound design That's all No not really

I thought it was kind of just I get, not terrible. That's how I feel about everything. Like, nothing about this technically was terrible. It was all just kind of uninspired and dull for me. You don't consider it to stand out from other horror films in any way, like the average Schlock horror movie? Do you consider this to have things of value that separate it?

Not really. I think it stands out from the Saw movies or shit like that by being technically more competent and not as obnoxious. Wow. But I was just kind of like, okay. I don't I'm not really getting anything out of this so they don't even find it scary I think I think it's more silly no that's fine I I do think that it has a decent amount to offer despite being relatively flawed like there's a lot that I take issue with

yeah it is one of my favorite and most brutal opening sequences to any horror movie really because the these subversion of expectations that takes place you know how every single horror movie opens up with like, okay, we're going to introduce the scare and here's what you're supposed to be scared of the entire film. And this is why you're going to continue being scared. Like we have the one thing, you know. And they kind of did that. They did the, you know, demon thing, silhouette perched on the foot of her bed while she's

at the whatever facility. And then as soon as that scene's over in any horror movie, like in the vast majority of horror movies that you watch, you're, you're. mind is thinking like, okay, well that's the end of the cold open scare. Now we're being introduced to characters who are going to follow throughout the entire film. One by one they'll get plucked off. One of them will survive by the end of it. We get introduced to the family and immediately they're fucking massacred. Like you, me watching that film, like I thought these were characters that I would be following, you know, but immediately it's, they're just completely decimated in a completely

brutal way. Like the kid, Exavier Dolan, is like, I'm 13 or whatever he says. I think he said 18. How old are you? 18. Fucking shotguns him destroyed. The little girls crying and screaming. She just witnessed her family being murdered. She gets destroyed too. Like, holy fuck. Absolutely brutal. And I don't see many horror films doing scenes like that or pulling them off in that way. And then to top it all off, the way that the story kind of like twists it. turns and like it doesn't go in the way that I expected it at all from me watching it for the first time like I had no idea how many new concepts it would introduce as it went along and I just I loved how how packed it was there's a lot that I love about this movie and yes I have a lot of

issues with it but still like I I think that there's plenty to appreciate about it that does separate it from the vast majority of horror films honestly I admire that they were trying to bounce between different horror genres in a way, because it goes from more psychological horror with the visions of the woman to like other kinds of horror with the shotgunning down the family. But every subversion of expectations felt just, like they went in less interesting directions than I would have liked them to. And the unpredictability of it became, it almost became predictable for me

Because it's like, okay, you have a scene where you show the woman getting her skull getting ripped out, whatever brace she had on her head. And then she just gets shot after. It's like, all right. Oh, that wasn't even, I wouldn't even use that in this example

of like subversion of expectations. That wouldn't even be. Because they just shot her. Like, you think this movie is going to go, okay, they're going to escape and they're going to leave with this woman and it's going to be about a recovery or something. Do something with that.

And then she gets shot and it becomes this whole other movie. And I think like it felt kind of clumsy. how it switched tones for me. It never felt like smoothly going into the next genre. Again, going back to Hereditary, which I'm talking about a lot recently, that has a lot of different elements of horror in it,

like that family dynamic, and then there's the paranormal stuff, and then there's the psychological horror, and the themes of guilt and grief or whatever. But it all blended together so well, and it all meshed so well that it never became distracting or it felt like the filmmaker was true,

trying to just disturb me constantly, like trying too hard, you know? And I felt that with this. I think it was just trying too hard. I would love to discuss Hereditary with you after Alex has seen it at some point. Of course. Before we, while we're still on that, this is my turn to put Ralph against the ropes because I fucking loved Hereditary all the way up until about the last 10 minutes of the movie. What did you think of the last 10 or so minutes?

Without spoiling it for Alex. Without anything. Without, yeah. I just want to know you. I love the ending. because it's one of those where everything before it sets it up very well. And although you're not expecting it and it could be corny, if you were to watch the movie again, you'd go,

okay, this was all set up beforehand and I'm enjoying where this goes. And it was just as technically well done as the rest of it. I feel like the ending to Hereditary was corny and kind of sloppy, but I still appreciated it. I mean, it was just, I wish that things were explained in a different way. But yeah, let's save this discussion before we get too far off track. Again, I do understand that criticism from both of you. Again, it's what we find scary.

I don't mind like paranormal things that aren't real, you know, being used to scare me as long as you do it well. And same thing with this. I don't mind like realistic, gore, violent, disturbing shit. But I feel if you go too over the top of it, it becomes silly. And that's how it became with this. I mean, I do think it's relatively clumsy. I thought the pacing was somewhat all over the place just because it's so exhausting to go from subvert,

you know, just something subverting you over and over again, you know. But I do feel like it really does come together at the end because I was getting to the point about three quarters through where it's like I'm getting kind of fed up with this now just scene after scene of this woman being tortured, seeming to no end, because you have no idea what the hell they're doing, what the point is. Hell yeah.

I love it. And it gets somewhat, yeah. And it's the kind of thing where it's like you're building this up so much. And you're really going to have to convince me that all these people being this organized to do this really fucked up thing. You know, it has to be convincing. It has to be believable in some way. And somehow I feel like they did manage to achieve in it being like a convincing reason. Like I was like, yeah, I buy it.

There are nutters out there that do that kind of thing. And they're somewhat proven right. You know, they do what they were trying to. And it's disturbing in the process. But, like, it's not really a film I want to revisit anytime soon. It is pretty weighty and difficult to watch at points. And it's just like... My favorite.

Exhausting is the best word for it. I want to feel like I had a workout every time I watch a movie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean... Sure. But, like, my biggest problem with... that is down to, I can't remember the character's name, the one that ends up getting skinned alive.

Anna. What's that character? Anna. Anna, is her. She had that typical horror movie problem where you constantly are saying, why are you doing this? Why are you making this decision to go further into something that's obviously dangerous? That kept bugging me to no way because it was like, from the beginning, I thought she was acting quite strange and unrealistic. and clearly in a way that was just to move the plot along.

I do agree with Ralph that it's extremely clumsy building up to the point where it's like he clearly had a really good idea for an ending, but the journey to get there is like a zigzag of like conveniences and just it is very messy. But I do like it overall by the end. It was weird how I flip-flop throughout the experience. Like it was positive than negative. Like I remember in that early scene,

you said like the ghoul was at the end of her bed and like a really traditional kind of predictable horror movie way with the jump scare and everything i was like that looked like any other horror movie yeah i was like why did why did adam suggest this this is the kind of shit he hates normally yeah but then like the way they do subvert that kind of thing makes it creepier um and and they just they just do away with it at a certain point where it's like in one way like 30 minutes in almost feels like the end of a short story or something because the character like kills herself and then it just progresses into another thing. I was like, is the movie ending the first time I watched it?

I was like, how long has it been? Yeah, I actually had to check to see how, like, if it was really short or something, because it did feel like the end, and then it just kept going. And I don't know if it's giving the film too much credit to kind of say that, yes, excruciating on purpose. There are definitely points where it is supposed to be excruciating on purpose, but the excruciating length at times, I don't know, like Grailf said, it's hard to tell sometimes. the intent and if they're being genuine or not or if it's just like a beautiful accident that you're just kind of interpreting a certain way and I mean I mean that's a good thing about

it really oh yeah I thought it was it was pretty good overall like the just it's just a concept that it's like at the root of everyone's imagination and I'd never seen it kind of exploited in in a way like this yeah because I was reading the trivia and the director based the film on Hostel by what's his face Eli Roth? Yeah, Eli Roth and say what you will about that film but that's way more of like a goofy torture porn thing

yeah that's that's torture porn nothing else literally it kind of changes trajectory at certain points I think that's what you took away from it as well as the kind of extreme gore I did keep being reminded of hostile when

watching it Um, there's like a, oh, this is, this is like, if you take the, the loose idea of hostile, but actually do it in a, to, like, an end instead of it just being gore for gore's sake. Yeah, and not just like, oh yeah, they want to torture people. Yeah. Man, isn't Europe so scary? Where were they again? I don't remember.

It was one of those things where it's like, you could sell a horror movie and just be like, man, we sure are some young Americans on vacation right now in a foreign country. country and that just makes it scarier for people in American audiences. Yeah. There are things I liked about it. I thought the acting was good for the most part. The lead girls were very good. The makeup was good for the most part, although the...

I don't know about the... Yeah, most of them were pretty good. I'll leave it there. And I liked the end bit with... Like you were saying, Alex, I think that's kind of a creepy idea. I don't think it was executed in a way I found. that's scary, but I do think the kernel of the idea is pretty scary. Yeah, most of it I thought was just kind of dull.

Charlie, would you... Sorry. Would you agree that it was clunky in ways, or how did you feel about that? I actually wouldn't necessarily call it clunky. I wouldn't call it scary, though. I agree with Ralph that I wouldn't exactly consider it a scary movie. Maybe in Alex's defense on like a conceptual level, I could see it being pretty scary in that regard. I would say disturbing more than scary.

Yeah, for the record, I didn't find it scary in the same way you might find something like hereditary or the shining scary. I didn't find it disturbing either. Shocking more than anything. I'd go to disturbing, I think, is a better adjective for it. Maybe unnerving to some degree. But I think what I liked most about it is after the first act, I suppose, after she blows away the family and you don't know if it was the right family, I really like that. It's a guessing game. So did she get it right?

Did she get it wrong? and it had me on my toes where when Anna was talking on the phone, I started to get the idea that maybe Lucy never existed. She was in Anna's head. Maybe Anna's the one who's insane because he also had the opening. You had the opening scene with Anna being interrogated on behalf of Lucy, which is kind of odd. So I just really like the guessing game of where the movie's going to go

and what direction it's going to take. I thought it dragged quite a bit after the family got blown away. I thought there wasn't a whole lot there. There wasn't a whole lot of substance there other than you just guessing. and then when she gets to the basement and finds like that fucking feral animal-looking woman who's all geared up in like a saw trap, then the movie really takes a really disturbing turn in my opinion. Yeah.

I would have enjoyed the guessing game more if I liked the characters a bit more, or at least found them interesting. I thought the girl who killed the entire family, I thought she was kind of interesting, but she dies like half hour in, right? Yeah. And then all we're left with is the other girl who I was just like, all right i i i'm gonna feel for you a little bit because out of basic human empathy i don't want to see you get tortured but as far as like how interesting i found her or how much i related to her

not really just kind of felt like a like a template fucking horror movie character just put in there i kind of disagree with you there because i was as as i was watching like when she gets introduced to like the torture right i was watching the you know this time i watched it i was i was thinking about how much of a benefit there is that she is not the character that had already experienced it before, that she is now being introduced to this torture, that she didn't even really know existed fully. Like, she didn't even really know that her friend actually found the right people responsible. And so I really enjoyed seeing someone going through these motions from just being literally an innocent person up in until that point and becoming a martyr you know I felt I felt like it wouldn't have worked as well if it was

What's her face the other girl? Oh yeah. I didn't want it to be the other girl Yeah to be clear I just I wish that that I guess at first she's the main character and then toward the second half This other girl becomes more oh yeah, but yeah that's why I thought the movie was ending when she killed herself Like what? Yeah The main character just died, but it's like now I'm following this girl and it's like okay she's there so it sucks that you're getting tortured but what am I getting out of it

you know fat material yeah sure I guess if you're into that kind of thing so I have some I have some notes in my phone about the many things that I don't like about this movie okay shoot and after I've watched this movie quite a few times and so

I've picked up on a lot of little nitpicks that does it get better or worse with rewatches because it's so like unexpected some parts get better some parts get worse You know like if you're looking at like a lot of the Logistical elements it gets worse But there are you know there's things to appreciate about it too And I've already talked a decent amount about what I appreciate about it

But one issue that I have with the movie is Although the cuts look realistic they don't bleed Like they're fresh Yeah I had that issue All over these people but they don't bleed And it's just like well What's the issue with being cut if you don't bleed? I watch it with my question with my

girlfriend and she pointed that out to me and that's what really kind of confirmed to me that like maybe it is all in Anna's head because all of the wounds are just it's like they just never happened. They're there and you can kind of see them. Really weird. Nothing happens with them. Yeah, I just see it as they messed up makeup. Yeah. When she's like dabbing up the blood from the neck, she's like trying to fix her slit throat with like fucking paper towels and whatever.

It's just it. All of it just looks so odd. Like it's so unrealistic being the wrong word, but just like you can't even believe it ever happened in movie there are some elements to do with like the violence and the cuts that I really do love I love just the absolute brutality of when the creature is literally just like digging into her back with the the blade you know like you never see it like there's a lot of moments of violence in this movie where I'm just like I'm cringing in yeah in like a terrified disgust kind of way like when she is after she freeze the

lady with the thing on her head head from the basement. She immediately takes this like butcher's knife and just starts like filleting her arm. And you can you can literally see like the pieces of skin sticking out on top of the knife. Like you can see that she's like digging into it. And she's not even slowing down. She doesn't even look like she's even in pain. Like she's that is just so fucking disturbing to me watching shit like that.

I don't know if you guys agree. Yeah. But there are moments like there are certain shots in this movie of, of, violence that that just they fuck with me on a just a purely visceral level what about when they're pulling like the pins out of the

head of that like metal harness thing that didn't uh affect me so much it was a decent effect it's just people's screaming yeah at that moment I was I'm more often just thinking like why are you doing this one of those things the one that always gets me without fail is headband

As soon as someone's banging their head into something, I'm like, Jesus, that's unholy. Where's the Lord? The shit just always makes me so uncomfortable when someone's banging their own head on something. Like when that girl gets the head restraint off and she just starts attacking the wall. Ugh, hate that shit. That's so weird that, like, how interesting it is that I don't find that scary at all, and almost comedic when people bang their head against the wall. Yeah, I don't know what it is. There's a scene in Mr. Robot, where Elliot's beating himself up.

up and it's done for like comedy and that's what that scene reminded me of in martyrs. It might actually be from the three stooges. That actually used to scare me when I was a kid and I don't know. Some childhood trauma. Again, it's just, it's whatever you find scary. But yeah, that and her pulling the nails out of her head and I was just like, okay. All right. There is one aspect of the movie that's kind of funny when you think about it is that

to she somehow freed that woman from the basement despite there only being a ladder to get up. It kind of just cut and you're supposed to not think about how she brought the torture victim upstairs. But it's like, how the fuck did she get her up? That was kind of funny. The editing was a little, I didn't like the editing in this too. I think it was a lot of quick cutting. There was no suspense, you know? It was just always close and always, I guess that creates a different effect.

Yeah, I thought it was suitably chaotic for what it needed to be. There is another issue that I have with this. I'm just going to go through them because I really want to mention this. Yeah, sure. Just run down the rest of the list. I've got a few left. If you think about it, the arms being chained like five feet high on the walls probably would not work very well for their business

because you could easily hang yourself with that shit. You could easily rip the chain around your neck and be dead and not have to be tortured anymore. So if they are putting people through such horrific torture that they start seeing life after death, you would think that they would suicide before that point. And they've been given a really easy way to do that.

Another note I have is just, I love the absolutely brutal violence when that huge guy is just beating her senseless. Like, that's fucked up. Like, you don't show that shit in movies, usually. Just the dynamic of like this huge, beefy dude and this small girl, you never show that kind of shit in movies really that often. Like, that's something that's just conceptually watching that is just absolutely brutal.

Fucking stands her up and, like, knocks her out again and then stands her up again while she's knocked out and socks her in the face. Like, it's just such overkill that it's like, how didn't she fucking die while that happened? At the end, it's kind of death, right? Like, in between. Yeah. I guess. And I guess the last couple things I want to mention about this is I love how when Anna is now being tortured,

they're showing her being fed and it's shot in the same way that the other girls' flashbacks were. In the sense that the flashback scenes were done where you don't see the person's face who's feeding her the slop. But then they reincorporate that into. the new scenes where Anna is being fed that way. And it's like, okay, well, there's no mystery to who these characters are at this point. Like, there doesn't need to be a mystery there. But the way that it's filmed, it's like, okay, these torturous characters are essentially replaceable and it could be anybody.

It could be, you know, the same person. Obviously, that person's dead. But I love how it was shot in that way and it didn't show you the face of the person like feeding feeding her that shit it's just a really um detached and impersonal way to kind of show those characters and I think that it works well for what it's trying to do I don't know if you agree with that because you didn't like how anything was shut yeah I mean I guess I thought that was fine that they didn't show the original person torturing but then they showed the guy torturing at the end I was like okay no they didn't they didn't show the girl at the end is what

I was saying like they didn't show the character feeding Anna the slop, right? They kept the angle low and kept her faceless. And that's what I appreciate about it, even though she's a new character. And there's no reason to hide her. It just reincorporated the same shot from the flashback and sort of to emphasize like, yes,

you are now going through the exact same thing that your friend went through. And this person could literally be anybody and it doesn't matter who they are sort of thing. Yeah. But that's like, I didn't even think that was that stand out of a filmmaking decision. I guess I thought it was fine. Just like everything else.

I was like, okay. And like you said, there was no mystery at that point as to, you know, what would happen in the story anymore. So toward the end, it just became torture and I found it kind of boring. It was just uninterested at that point. Like, if you would cut all that out and went to the end, I guess obviously you loved that, it went all the way with the violence, which is fine. but I just found it mostly Very uncompromising. Not even disturbing, really.

Yeah. It did not hold back. And I appreciate it when horror movies do that especially. Yeah. I appreciate it when they hold back, don't hold back, but there's something that makes you want to sit through that to go to the next thing

because you're interested where it's going. And here I was not interested where it was going because you kind of know where it's going. It's over, basically. The story's basically over, and we're just watching torture. You think, but then it has a pay. But you think oh this is just torture porn. Not really. I mean you don't get any answers out of it Do you? Well, I mean it's ambiguous at the end of it, but you you get some sort of payoff, right? Well, yeah, the reason it's frustrating at that point is because you're like I don't know who these people are or why they're torturing her like it's just mindless at that point

But then after the excruciating scenes of torture over that that woman Mademoiselle or whatever comes in and explains what they're doing and it's like oh that is that is really fucked and then they like succeed in their plan like it does lead up to a like a conclusion it's not like hostile where it's just like there's funny deaths left and right

oh hostile's a total joke though it's not remotely the same tone um yeah didn't they explain that beforehand they alluded to it she was like look at their eyes what I got it isia she was saying like

this is a martyr, right? This is how to make martyrs, but, like, I don't think she really explained that what they were, like, that they were an organization trying to find out what life after death is and to get her to communicate that to them while she's, like, missing her skin. Like, that wasn't really explained, you know? Yeah. Like, that wasn't that much, like, that little extra bit of information at the end didn't

make it any more disturbing. or add anything really to it. I disagree. Everything he says beforehand or she says beforehand in that little scene where they meet up before the torture, I kind of got the gist of that. Not the whole paranormal element afterward where you fucking talk to the afterlife,

but like everything else. Well, that's what's important about it though. We're 99% done with the story at that point. And the only bit that's given to us at the end is that little exchange about the afterlife, right? That's very important though You know Yeah, so it's a setup for the payoff

Yeah But maybe if they had like Instead of having that interviews Or that that interrogation scene beforehand Slowly dealt out that information over time Throughout the torture Maybe that would have been better But like I was just not interested at all

Throughout that entire torture I guess it comes down to what actually freaks you out Like does the concepts do anything for you Because for me that is like Absolutely horrifying That concept at the end is kind of creepy but I didn't think it was well executed and then she just shoots herself at the end

and it's like okay I guess she got no answers and she shot herself and it's not like no answers it makes you think about what the answer was like an answer was communicated to her not knowing is scary than than yeah like if they did try to explain it it would be infinitely worse than

I don't want them to explain it it's just like you can't just say like there was no answer no but there isn't really an answer for the audience But she got an answer. For the audience, no. And there's a reason why she killed herself. And it's up to the audience to discuss why she would have killed herself or at least, you know, just be creeped out by the ambiguous ending it.

You know, like the idea of the afterlife, if communicated to us in our mortal human forms through English, is just so inaccessible to us as mortals that we kill ourselves for whatever reason. Either she's thinking like, okay, well, I want to get there right away and I'm not going to waste time explain it to you guys. Or you wouldn't even be able to handle the truth or like this changes everything or like, who knows, right? It's something that's so impossible to communicate that she kills herself or that she's saving other people from that knowledge because it might destroy society or something. Who knows, right? Yeah. It's fun to think about it. And I love that it was left up to interpretation.

sure I don't know maybe it's just the image sure shooting yourself fine yeah like I don't like I was watching it I didn't get any of these like oh I wonder what she said there I was just like okay you don't know filmmakers don't know so they're like fuck it just have her whisper some shit all right I'll keep I'll keep that in mind I'll keep that in mind for future movies that you praise and try to relate that in a way okay okay again it's a total like if I found all that affecting and

like original and interesting, then that last bit probably would have scared me. But I was so uninvested at that point. I felt most of the mystery had been solved or like communicated to me. That that last extra bit was just, it was mildly intriguing more than it was like disturbing. I think you might be hung up a little too hard on everything trying to scare you instead of just try and make you think. you're kind of relating everything back to horror instead of relating it more to was it effective in terms of a payoff or did I feel anything here? Did it make me think certain ways or something like that instead of relating it all back to horror?

Yeah, because that's what's scary to me. Yeah, but the psychological horror stuff or any of the horror stuff didn't really work for me. The technical aspects didn't really work for me. And the story itself was kind of just a mishmash of different tones and different kinds of horror that I wasn't and there were no characters that I really weren't was invested in so there was nothing keeping me in it there was nothing that wanted me to I just didn't want to be there you know I just wasn't invested at all yeah I probably believe you when you say that and so as a result I was just like okay that was a horror movie and it was kind of ball shot and there's some good acting and some good makeup and some intriguing ideas but yeah I

didn't do anything for me yeah I guess uh we should have our uh closing statements and then move on to questions? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't hate it. I think, I guess it did its job. Well, that's the thing, too, is that I think this is a movie that either wants you to love it or hate it, right? Like, because Roger Ebert gave this one star, he's like this fucking disgusting torture porn or whatever. And I'll commend it for doing that, right? That being said, I think, I don't think there's a reason to see it unless there is a chance you'd be into this kind of movie, in which case you might

enjoy it you know I don't I'd give it a two out of five or twenty on the moisture meter moisture meter it's not it's not it's not moisture meter it's not distractingly bad or poorly made it's just kind of boring and stupid for me I'm getting creeped out just talking about the film like it really struck a call with me in terms of the horror aspect or the not the horror more the psychological aspect especially towards the end I think if you're a fan of psychological horror or body horror or gore, that kind of stuff, it's definitely like a must-see, as Adam was saying earlier. I think it's suitably chaotic, unpredictable, does sag in the middle, like we said, but I think

by the end, it does earn the majority of what it was trying to set up. It's all down to if that payoff is, and the concept is creepy to you or scary, and in my case it was so I found it quite effective in the end and I've got chills at the moment because I keep thinking about it. Awesome. I'm glad you had that experience. What about you, Charlie? Oh, wait, you didn't give it a, did you give it a number, Alex?

Oh, yeah. It's difficult. I'd give it a seven or eight. Awesome. For me, I echo a lot of what Alex says because I also thought there was that huge hang up in the middle. I really enjoyed the guessing game on whether or not Lucy was in the right, is she insane and stuff like that?

did you get the right people? There is a lot of hangups I had. I personally really didn't like it all how the movie was shot. It made me feel like I was watching someone's video on like an iPhone 4. I don't know. It's just something about the whole way the movie was shot that just did not sit right with me. But overall, I really enjoyed it. The beginning, I wasn't as invested as some of you may have been.

I didn't think it was going to be that great in the beginning. But I'm glad I stuck it out and kept giving it that chance. And if I was to put it on the moist meter, I'd put it comfortably at a suburb. 75% Yeah, I pretty much said everything I wanted to say about it. I think that it does definitely separate itself from the vast majority of horror films, especially horror films that are just like overhyped and, you know, people love in general. I feel like this is one where I can actually agree and say like, yes, this is a must, a must see,

must watch horror films. It's not perfect. Tons of it doesn't make any fucking sense. I do believe that this is a fluke from the director. Like he had one good concept, and he'll never make anything this good again. That is what I believe. But overall, I would give it a 7 out of 10.

It used to be an 8, but I bumped it down. I think 7 is a good rating for my scale. Very much enjoyed it. Please check it out if you haven't already, although we kind of spoiled a lot of it, but whatever. One thing that I'd like to mention before we go into into questions territory. The director

has made a couple of films since. None of which have done very well and none of which seem any good at all. They're bad. Oh yeah, they seem like shit. However, the real juicy part about his newest film is that Taylor Hickson

was in it and she's now suing them because they got her to bang on like a glass door with her fists and have her face pressed up to it And she's like, is this safe? And the director and producer were like, yeah, of course it's safe. So she does it. The glass shatters.

She scars up her fucking face. You can see pictures of this online of like, no matter how much she's done to try and reconstruct her face, there's always going to be a scar there. And now she's suing because she's an actress and she's not getting roles that she should be because her face is fucked up now. Isn't that fucked up? Like, holy shit. That's terrible. Yeah, she has disfigure. disfiguring injuries.

I would say just look it up. Taylor Hickson's scar, you know, look at one of the pictures and just have it like full screen or whatever because it's difficult to tell from the thumbnail. But when you see it, it's just like, holy shit. Like even with makeup on, you can see the crease in her face and that's very unfortunate

because especially as an actor. Yeah, because that's most of it. Yeah. A lot of acting is like synonymous with being a model. Like you're basically modeling and performing and that's it. And Holy shit.

That sucks. People like watching pretty people. Oh, of course. In a movie or whatever. People like casting pretty people. Yeah. It's just you got pretty people on the poster. Yeah.

That fucking sucks. Yeah. The director of martyrs not doing too well after murders. Now we are in question time. And if you want to ask us questions, we have a subreddit. And you can ask us questions there. There will be an official thread for the next episode. What are some questions that you guys got that we should answer?

You can start, Alex. Okay, so if you want to leave questions, head over to the Sardonnacast Reddit. And there's a big thread at the top that Ralph normally puts there. We're going to start with, oh, this is from the Lego YouTuber, just too good, I think. That's his name on Reddit, anyway. Oh, hey, yeah. What are some movies people wouldn't expect you guys to like, but you guys really like? Oh, hell yeah.

I've already got an answer. Should I say it while everybody else thinks about it? Okay. Oh yes, please, because I got to think. Ghost writer's spirit of vengeance. Oh my lord. Hell yeah. You know, so it was directed by Neville Dean and Taylor, who did the crank films.

And they also did Gamer, which is a movie that I would best describe as a fun movie to play when you have a room full of people that you know will be talking over the movie anyway. Ghost Rider 2, although not as good as gamer or Crank 1 and 2, which I love in their own ways. It does embody a lot of what I like about their style. And especially comparing it to the first Ghost Rider film, it is a huge improvement on the original. The original Ghost Rider film, which apparently some people think is better than the sequel, apparently a lot of people. And according to IMDB ratings even, the original Ghost Rider rating, even. the original ghost writer film

the animation when he turns into the ghost writer like it wasn't even mocapped it's like he says these lines like all out of mercy and his head's turning like a fucking toy like a kid pivoting Woody's

Woody does he have a last name I was gonna say Woody Woodpecker but I know that's not what I'm talking about like anyway a kid pivoting like a toy head and like all the movements fucking suck it's just so like it tries so hard to be like a

superhero film like this was before like the big Marvel Studios movies and it's just lost in this like boring schlock but then Ghost Rider 2 comes out

and although there are plenty of scenes that are just like boring and uneventful and the characters suck there's so much about it that the directors just put in as a joke they were like yes we're working with Nick Cage now now we get to see Nick Cage act fucking crazy the whole time

Like his scene where he's on the motorcycle and he's just making crazy faces at the camera and yelling. And like he pisses fire like a flamethrower. And there's just all this crazy, funny shit that they threw in. The action is so much better done than the first film. They not only did mocap for the skeleton. They mocapped Nick Cage. So Nick Cage's performance is actually showing in The Ghost Rider. He looks so much, so much better, so much more intimidating.

everything about the movie is just so much better than the first, although I can admit that it is kind of a shit movie at the same time. The stunts that they do in Ghost Rider 2 are often overlooked. When the opening scene happens and there's, I think it was Idris Elbow's character, yeah, he's on a motorcycle and he crashes and he flies off over a cliff and he's shooting a gun as he's flying. It looks like a shitty green-screened CG effect, but people don't realize that they actually did that.

And the director was fucking hanging from a piece of rope as they like flew over the cliff and he's literally holding the camera. Like that's how they filmed all of their movies. The crank one and two, they literally rode on roller skates holding the camera right behind the wheel of the motorcycle. They broke like 40 cameras making that movie.

And they continued a lot of that same style in Ghost Rider 2. and it's just one of those things where it's like I wish that the final product didn't look indistinguishable from what could be like a green screen shitty effect because all the effort they went through kind of is for nothing at that point if nobody even knows

that they did it you know anyway that's my one I guess went on a little rant about it I want to watch this again because it's terrible I've never seen and it's amazing at the same time well it's bad but it has personality which is more than the first one, right? Yeah, the first one is just a useless movie that could disappear off the face of the planet.

This one has a few things going for it. Like it doesn't take itself super seriously. Oh, man, and the villain at, during like the end of sequence, him like touching people and they die. And like the way that it was shot when they go into this like weird other realm trip out mode where everything goes pitch black and only the characters in the scene that he's trying to communicate with are lit. And he's just like, oh, fuck.

There's some parts of that movie that are shot really, really cool. And there's a lot that I appreciate it. Although a lot of it is also shit. It's like if Neville Dean and Taylor had complete creative control over the movie, it probably would have been just as good as crank or gamer. But you could definitely see that there was like studio conflict between what Neville Dean and Taylor wanted to make versus what the studio wanted it to be as a sequel to Ghost Rider. Do you think it's better than mom and dad, which is their newest?

Yeah, for sure. And only one of them directed mom and dad, by the way. They don't work together anymore for some reason. Oh, okay. They're doing their own shit, and it's all bad. Yeah, I haven't enjoyed anything since they were actually directing together. Yeah, okay. Charlie, as a huge Brendan Fraser fan, are you big on furry vengeance?

Oh, my Lord, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Surprisingly, I have not seen it. What is that your answer Alex? No, I just remember I was thinking of Brendan Frazier because you mentioned him earlier and I'd My answer would be just because I saw it like a couple days ago Uh the second teenage meet and ninja turtles movie The like

The second Michael Bayer? I don't listen hear me out first before judging me right I think it is I think it is so bad like it goes into the negatives and then becomes like positive it's appalling it is so funny I was like crying through the whole thing

from beginning to end because it's like the laziest most bizarre piece of shit film ever but I thought it was so funny from beginning to end so I thought it's actually a really difficult question because it's like yeah because that's just so bad it's good movie yeah that's so bad it's good movie so you're not even saying like

it's good you're saying you like it yeah I like to not like it I mean that's one that is if you like just pointing at Hollywood and laughing at how bad it can be that is a great example for it I couldn't think of anything else like

the only like I asked one of my friends like what's something you're surprised that I like and the only thing they could think of was annihilation but I was like well that's not that surprising I really like that genre of movies what movie do people give you the most shit for defending than The Last Jedi.

Nothing. Yeah. It's just The Last Jedi. It's just The Last Jedi. Good. Charlie, you got an answer? I'm trying. I can't think of any movie that people would be surprised to hear I like.

But there is a movie that I've seen so many times that I guess it can kind of fit here. And it's mainly because of my dad. It's Malibu's Most Wanted with Jamie Kennedy. Have you guys? Never even heard of it. I was looking at that when I'm DB the other day. Yeah, it's a horrible fucking movie. It's the most early 2000s comedy as you could ever get.

But growing up, my dad loved that shit so much. Jamie Kennedy plays some really wealthy, the wealthy man's son named B-Rad, I think it was. And my dad thought it was just the pinnacle of comedy, how every time Jamie Kennedy talked, he'd say, I'm B-Rad. So he'd always make me watch that fucking movie with him. So that's one that really sticks out to me. Nice. I don't like it though, so it doesn't even come close. Should I add it to my watch list?

I can promise you right now, it's not even like a so bad, it's good. Just remembering it, it's just really fucking bad, yeah. But my dad just loves B-Rad, and he still says B-Rad to this day. So, like, you reminded me I watched movies with my dad, so there are some movies I hold, like, deer in my heart, even though they're fucking horrible. And the scary movies Those are ones The scary movie One, two, three, and four

They're really fucking bad But watching them with my dad When I was like 13 I thought it was the funniest shit One and two have some substance to it I would say Really? I mean, I guess I could rewatch them

I have no interest in it I'll let you finish your thought And then I'll explain why Oh I have no thoughts on it They're bad But I laughed at the fart jokes So I remember there was a joke

Who's the old guy in it he's in the airplane movies. Liam. Liam Neeson. No, wait. Leeson. What the fuck's his name? They're the old guy in it.

Leslie Nielsen. Leslie Nielsen. Leslie Nielsen. You started with Leo and you threw me off. There's this, my dad and I laughed at this joke where I guess there are aliens who take away everyone's clothing. And Leslie Nielsen walks by the camera and just farts. And we just laugh for 10 minutes. So I guess that's my movie.

Sounds good. Yeah, that was in like the third or fourth one though. I think it was the fourth one. I don't know. I've never even seen the fifth one. They all kind of blend together. I actually, I haven't seen them in a while. But from what I remember, I think that the first one actually has some value to it.

Because it was made back before they were literally just picking any popular movie in theaters to parody. It wasn't just like, oh yeah. Signs was a popular movie and then, you know, Friedberg and Seltzer literally just spammed everything to death and made epic movie, date movie, blah, blah, blah. Before any of that,

the first scary movie actually had some heart to it. Yeah, it was like inspired. As somebody who spent my entire year as a 13-year-old watching shitty slasher movies, like scream, and I know what you did like

summer and like all of those watching scary movie I was able to get like every single reference and I loved that it was taking a stab at this incredibly formulated genre that was very popular at the time it was it was a clever funny movie that was playing on tropes and it was also something that was in line with the airplane naked gun style of humor and there wasn't really anything coming out in that time frame that was doing that. I mean, it's not to say it's original, but it fills a niche that I wish there was more of in, you know, more of as long as they're good. Like, I love black dynamite.

I love airplane. I love the naked gun. Those two have kind of contaminated the genre. So when people say spoof or spoof movie, it's like, ugh. Yeah. Which is a shame. You reminded me, though, Friday the 13th movies, too. I love all of them for their own reasons.

Huh. And I guess those are bad. Even part 8, Jason takes a boat. Oh, well, okay, not all of them are good. 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13 aren't good. Actually, Freddy versus Jason is good. Which one is where Jason goes to space? X.

Oh, that's Jason X. That one is fucking terrible. That one is so boring. It's hilarious. You think it would be cool. But it's really just bad and boring. I love how it screws up the timeline. Mm-hmm.

Because like then Freddy versus Jason doesn't make any sense No, the first one Jason's not in it And then by the fourth one Jason dies But then the fifth one it's some other dude Then the sixth one Jason comes back to life Did you watch part nine? I've seen all of them Okay great

No yeah I love Jason how they killed off Jason And then just other people were committing These crimes that had nothing to do with anything But they called it Friday the 13th anyway And then in part six No no that's because That's because Jason

became a parasite and was sucked into people's brains. And at the end of the movie, they resurrect Jason and they drag him to hell. I was talking about the ones where literally, like, I think it was like part three or four or five. That's only one. Where it was literally... It was five. Yeah, part five where it was literally just some random guy and it had nothing to do with anything. Like, it wasn't a parasite.

And then, but literally opening scene of part six is like, zoom in on a grave and it gets struck by lightning. And he's just perceptive it like, and he has a fucking spear in his hand. He's like, let's go. And then the whole audience cheered. Fucking God wanted him alive again. Like, what? What's happening? Then the seventh one has like a telekinetic chick with fucking powers who just starts

throwing shit with Jason. It's so good. I want to watch those movies again. Oh, you get the little kid too. Yeah. Yeah, I do too. Actually, so we did find a good answer. Thank you.

Oh, there we go. Thank you for answering. Perfect. Perfect. Nice question. This is from Giga's woo. Z. Which video would you consider your masterpiece slash magnum opus?

Like there are videos I've made that are technically better done, like the newer ones. But that Mystery Diner's video I made three years ago, I think people still consider that the best one than I might too. It started a meme. That video was full of memes. So, most proud of that one. I leave my cool cat as my default video for the people who, are not subscribed yet because I think it's a good way

to introduce my channel. It did also start a meme. Nobody else had fucking even heard of that movie, let alone reviewed it. That's right. It's a part of the lore which eventually turned into drama

with Alex and Daddy Derek and it's a part of film history. It belongs in a museum. You started an era. Yeah. And I think the review is pretty fun. too. There was a lot of juicy shit. Other than that, after Earth video, just because there was so

much exploitable interview footage with M-night and Will Smith and Jaden Smith, like, there was so much to work with that that video just turned out great. My Frozen review was pretty great. Neil Breen was pretty great, although, I mean, that's more to do with, like, the subject, and I didn't, I didn't, like, discover him, even though he wasn't that popular before I did it. Like, I don't feel as attached to the Neil Breen one as I do Colquette. before we go off Neil Breen, I just want to know, when did you discover Neil Breen? Somebody tweeted me. Red Letter Media, right?

A trailer. No, that wasn't how I discovered it. Before they made, I know that they were the first to cover it, but before they made that video, somebody tweeted me a trailer to fateful findings, and I watched it, and I was like, wow, there's definitely something here. And so I watchedlisted it, and it took me a while to get around to it. And by the time I did get around to it, red letter media had covered

Double Down on their search for the worst. But yeah, I was like, holy shit, this guy needs more attention. Like, this is a gold mine. This is amazing. God, yeah. So a little fun story about Neil Breen. In my, when was it, it would have been my freshman year of college.

So 2012, I watched Double Down. And I became an avid follower, Neil Breen, and I attempted to audition for one of his movies. Nice. Well, by attempting to audition, I messaged him and I hyped myself up as like an A-list actor who was chosen by the gods to act in Neil Breen movies or something, something that I thought a lunatic like him would gravitate towards when he didn't. And it was amazing that somehow like overnight, I didn't want anyone to find this guy. He was my own personal fun, but I guess it was Red Letter Media then. I thought it was you that blew Neil Breen up, but I guess not.

Red Letter Media covered it first, but they, I mean, they cover several videos on their search for the, or so. Sorry, best of the worst series that like so many of them are so unspecial that if somebody just watches that clip of the Neil Breen film on search for the worst, they might not realize how fucking special this guy is. And they only covered one of his films and it was just like insanely repetitive. But it did, I mean, they helped blow it up and I also had a bit of an impact too, just with fateful findings especially. Well, what do you mean?

Because, like, he created one more film after that. He hasn't changed. You know, like, he's still doing it. We have not affected him. He will never change. And that's why he's so special. It's like you've exploited my child, though. You know what I mean?

Like, I have a personal attachment to Neil Green. Like, I feel like when his name's in the news, it's like, that's my guy. Like, that's him. He's part of me. You don't want to share him because then it's not cool anymore. That's what happened with Tommy Waisel. Like, now that he's like a big Hollywood star and everyone knows who he is, it's like, oh, that's not fun anymore.

I gotta find some new shit I was a little different though I mean it was it was fun to see him on fucking like mainstream talk shows yeah that was fucking great I mean we all love him but yeah I mean the magic of the room only lasts for so long

in my opinion Neil Breen is far better than Tommy Wizzo because he keeps making great movies I don't it's different Tommy Wizzo has made one movie that people like Tommy WISO made one movie and spent a ridiculous amount of money on it

and like shot it on film and digital. Like no other B movie director can do that. There's a lot of good lore. Oh, fuck yeah. Neil Breen, he's paid for almost all of his shit right out of pocket. He used to be a Las Vegas realtor. Hell yeah. And he spent like his fortune making these movies.

He started with Double Down and then he made I Am Here Now. Thank you. It's just amazing. The man is a goddamn genius. He is. Bramian. Yeah, you got to support indie cinema like Neil Green. I love Neil Green.

Just the production value of the room, though, is unique. There's a lot of uniqueness to every good, bad director. There's uniqueness to James Wynne who made Bredemic, you know? Yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is that... Sound design. Neil Breen is special because he continues making amazing films, and he has not been tampered with by becoming, quote, unquote, self-aware.

He's not, like, all of a sudden making comedies, like James Wyn and Tommy Wizzo eventually tried to do. And it's like, okay, well, now you're making comedies. you're failing at making a comedy, so now it's not even funny, it's just sad. Keep continuing to make serious films, and especially with Neil Breen, they're so complicated and metaphorical that he can look at somebody who doesn't like it and be like, well, you just don't get it. And then continue making mind fun.

Right? Yeah, because we don't get it. I don't want him to change. I want him to continue making all these fantastic films. And that's my biggest fear. One day he's going to wake up, and all of a sudden it's going to hit him like, a fucking truck and he's going to start making Minecraft music videos and then my golden goose

is gone. God damn. My boy is gone. Well, we had a good run anyway. Four movies. All fantastic. So good. That's better than any other, so bad that it's good director unless he want to count like, I don't know, Ed Wood or something. Yeah, new one's coming up too, right? He finished it.

Twisted. Yep. Hell yeah. That's it. Look forward on a torrent site near you. And we're also going to get a documentary on the filmmaking process, supposedly. Oh my God, I can't wait. He's going to talk like he's a genius or something. Yeah, there's some other people that literally asked to make a documentary about him and followed him around during the production of Twisted.

And so apparently that's going to be released as well. And I'm super excited for that. I'll just be quick. Just probably my not Disney collection video. I like that one. Oh, very good. That's an epic one. I guess for me, I don't look at any video I make is better than it.

any of the other ones. I look at it in terms of which one did I have the most fun making, and the answer to that would be the 98 Caution one I made a while back. Okay. What the fuck is that? You don't know? It's a Japanese baseball game, but you could program your own pitches under the pitchers. I had a lot of fun making a bunch of different pitches.

Yeah, you got to keep up with your vocal lore, dude. Next question. Alex. Alex, you got this one? Yeah, we'll be like one or two more. Um, seeing as we have, uh, critical here. Wow. Stayed 56 or whatever says,

What is the video game with the best writing slash best story? Ooh, I've got a, I got a little hot take on that one. I don't know if you boys have played it. It's on the Xbox 360, the original near. Hmm. Never played it, like that. I'm aware of it. I really enjoyed that game because at the time when that game came out, it was in the sea of,

first-person shooters. It was in the sea of just schlock, just boring formulaic shit. And Neer is a game based around really clunky ass gameplay. It's not good gameplay. But it has this story in this setting where it's all so mysterious, there's this plague wiping people out. And what really sets it apart to me is it has this incredible twist right at the end of the game that there's no way you could have ever predicted. And once you do find that out and you beat the game, it changes the entire game. So if you do another playthrough, it starts you from the middle of the game, and the game is entirely different. If you play it again, you beat it from that one.

You get an entirely different playthrough as well. And then if you beat it the fourth time, you get an ultimately different one that wraps itself up and then deletes itself off your 360. Wow. Very interesting. I really loved it. Really loved it. That is cool. And I haven't even played near Automata,

which I hear is a lot better. I still need to get around to that. But original near, great fucking game. Nice. I'm going to have to add this to the list. Mine is, David Cage games. The writing is fucking great in those. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Portal 2. Yeah, ha, ha. Portal 2. It's the obvious answer. It's just... What? That game is so... Yeah, Portal 2?

Sorry. Like, trying to matter. It didn't... There wasn't much going on with writing in Portal 2, was there? I haven't played it in a while. The dialogue's amazing. Yeah, the dialogue is so good that, like, that's the only reward for completing the puzzles. It's listening to more dialogue and having more stories. J.K. Simmons, whoever played Glados, and what's the name of the guy who played Wheatley? Stephen Merchant.

Stephen Merchant. Like, fantastic cast. Fucking hilarious. Great dialogue, great acting. And just like a really interesting setting with a lot of mystery behind it. And you actually want to delve deep and explore what happened to this facility.

So, yeah, Portal 2. I don't know. I didn't... When I think writing, and my answer is, going to be incredibly different from yours because I think we're valuing two different aspects of writing because yeah portal two again I haven't played it in a while but like yeah the dialogue was very well written it had great jokes but in terms of like building a universe I don't think that there was that much there I mean like there were things that were kind of alluded to and

implied I think there's a lot there I think this also an extension of Half-Life too which is kind of cheating, or the Half-Life games, but yeah. My answer would be Mass Effect 2. Oh, good choice, yeah. What I really value about Mass Effect, and yeah, I mean, like, not all of the dialogue is great,

and there's some cheesy animation here and there. Like, it's not a perfect game by far, but I love the universe that it creates. It's like I spent so much of my life wondering, why Star Wars fans even exist. And when I started playing Mass Effect and I started really getting into it, it's kind of when I started realizing

what people value out of it. Because I didn't just necessarily fall in love with a particular story or a particular character. I fell in love with the universe that they created. You know, like I fell in love with the overall universe. And so I can see why there are so many Star Wars spinoffs and Star Wars parodies and blah blah blah blah blah I'm not really interested in that universe but I love the universe of Mass Effect and yeah it has its flaws there are things

that don't make that much sense but at the end of the day it tells what I would consider to be a great story tons of different options for where you can what kind of lore you can explore you know like you can always get tons of information out of anything that you're interested in in the universe. I got to fuck Garris, so that was really cool. Yeah, awesome story. Great game.

I guess for my one, I'll choose, I don't know if this will be controversial at all. I'm going to pick Halo 2. I know the story has that awful cliffhanger, but I really like

the dialogue in Halo 2. I think it perfectly embraces the campy, goofy 80s vibe, loads of quotable one-liners, and it's just great from beginning to win do you think that they were trying to do campy 80s 5

dude look at Johnson that is so campy yeah that's one character and he was comic really even the first game and Master Chief he's such a goofy character no yeah I don't think it was homage though dude everything in halo is like based off aliens and

the action movies from the 80s so why halo 2 and not halo 1 then um I don't really remember any of the dialogue really from Halo 1. I remember all the quotable lines from Halo from Halo 2, I think. May I ask you what you're doing on this ship? Sir, finishing this fight. Because we have to end the game early because Microsoft made Bungee release it before they were finished. So there's a few levels missing.

Annoying the cliffhanger ending. I like the rest of it. Okay. Yeah, I have a lot of issues with Halo 2. I recently did a big rant on Halo 2 and my Patreon. stream but we'll talk about this another day okay okay yeah that's me I'm the guy I want to do one more and then we'll wrap it up yeah yeah yeah all right cool let's do it this one's from raging bowl 1999 I thought this was kind of fitting what's the most disturbing film you've ever seen or one of the most one that stands up to you aside from martyrs yeah Name another one. What is that your...

Yeah? No, no, I'm trying to think of what is. Like, I don't know if I would... I mean, Martyrs is up there for disturbing. Well, you can just name like another notable one for you. I'll have to think about it. Does anybody else have an answer? I found...

I mentioned it earlier. I found the end of annihilation to be really disturbing. I know some people don't like it, you know, when that... Actually, it's a spoiler, I won't say. But towards the end of the film... Yeah. There's a sequence that's... like just quite unlike anything

I'd ever seen and that really kind of freaked me out to my core I get I actually get like my heart speeds up like majorly when I watch that scene something about it just really gets to me and another one is green room I find quite disturbing super intense movie

yeah not not a typical kind of horror psychological or anything it's just violent fucking violent and horrible that's a very interesting kind of disturbing because it's just super realistic. Like, this is probably how these things would play out and that makes

it disturbing and that that's what invests you so much in it. Anyone else? Well, I'm looking, I had to pull up my list. My list of, well, because like, it really depends what kind of disturbing because, like, the pianist is disturbing in ways. Like, that's an incredibly disturbing movie, right?

Just whatever disturbed you? Yeah, like that or like anti-Christ or like, Or like, a dancer in the dark is disturbing in its own way. Yeah. Like, no country for old men is disturbing in many ways. I don't know about that. It's scary.

I have one. Let's see if there's something similar on your list, maybe. Mine is a racerhead as the most disturbing thing I've ever seen. Because that movie, I don't, I don't want to spoil it. It's the themes of fatherhood, premature fatherhood. you know having being prepared for it at all and just that in a movie by David Lynch so it's all metaphorical and it's all just like disturbing shit in his head plopped out on screen for you to see that and the sound design in that movie too is really just something else unlike anything else

in any other movie yeah have you guys seen a dope tooth yes disturbing love it oh I didn't Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good disturbing one. Yeah. Killing of a sacred deer, too. Yeah, true. That's more recent. I wouldn't call those like among the most disturbing though for me personally.

I would say like existentially, you know, like Senectiki, New York is disturbing to me. Like the Holy Mountain is in some ways disturbing to me. I want to ask you which Hanaki, Michelle Hanukkah films you guys have seen, if any, right now. because there's one that I might give as an answer here kind of but I don't really want to if I know you guys haven't seen it Because I'd rather just recommend it no, maybe is it? I've seen I think I haven't seen is anything before the piano teacher. That's him right? piano teacher Yeah

Anything before that I haven't seen I've seen everything after and you have seen the piano teacher? No Okay, so including the piano teacher or anything before you saw a cashet including the piano teacher. I saw Cashay. Yeah. Okay. What about you?

The name of it is like a spoiler? I'm not very familiar, so. It's giving the name a spoiler. Well, yeah, like if it, it might be like a thing where it, I don't know. Oh, no. Tell me which ones you've seen. I don't know. He's,

I was just being fucking cryptic for no reason. I'm trying to figure it. Well, Cashay. But I would like to. It was Cashay? I would like to recommend it someday if you haven't seen it without saying like, oh, yeah, it's one of the most disturbing movies, you know. It has more to offer than that, although it is very disturbing to me.

On a psychological level or visual? Both. There's tons about it. Like, psychologically, mostly. It is very unconventional in how it's presented, but with lots of purpose, there is a constant, a constant feeling of, of, like, observation or, like, being watched throughout the entire film. But I won't really say much more than that.

other than it's one of my favorite movies ever. Yeah, same here. And it's that kind of scary or disturbing that I like, where it just plays out. Yeah, very subtle. And you got to notice what's going on. You're the one, you're like, there's a lot of wide shots where you got to like, you got to go, oh, shit, what's going on there?

Amazing film. Charlie? You got an answer? I'm trying to think, because when I think of disturbing, I think of something that, like, actually rattles you. And I've never really seen a movie that where, after the credits roll, I'm like shaking. I'm like, wow, that movie really is going to haunt my boners for a week now.

The only movie that I've had an experience like that is a movie that is not disturbing at all. It's a comically bad movie. It's called One Missed Call. It's an old horror movie. Oh, yes. Not the Japanese one, the American remake. Yeah, the American one. It came out at a time when I was younger.

I was probably like 11, maybe a 12 or something like that. And I'd never really watched any horror movies. but my friends all wanted to see it and I saw it and I couldn't even look at the screen for half of the movie like anytime there was like a phone call going on my heart would race I'd start sweating and it was just miserable it was genuinely

miserable sitting there watching that movie and I had a razor at the time like all kids did and I made sure to choose the happiest possible fucking ringtone I could instead of like the creepy sounding like standard one all because of that movie oh okay that is interesting you should revisit it

I've been wanting to, but I can't actually find it. I was looking for torrents of one missed call. I would never break the law, but... Trying to see if they existed so you could report them. Yeah. You went to Blockbuster. Obviously, yeah. Blockbuster, see if you could find a copy.

And I couldn't really find anything. I didn't see anything like DVD quality or Blu-ray. I don't know. Maybe it's lost at time. Maybe it never even existed. Yeah, now that I think about it, I would like to add to my answer. audition. That was one of the most disturbing movies I've seen.

And then to go along with kind of like Japanese horror, even though this is the American version, The Ring, Gore Vibinsky, I found that to be very disturbing. Oh, yeah. I can't even tell like how much of an effect it has on people today because it's such a well-known horror movie that it might just be like, you know, a joke to a lot of people.

But re-watching it, which I did before I watched the 2017 Rings movie rewatching the first or the Gore Verbinski the ring like there's a lot to appreciate about it and I can tell why it fucking terrified me as a child.

There's a lot that is disturbing about it and I love it even though it is flawed. There's a lot to appreciate about it. Quick little story I want to mention just because we're kind of on topic with the one missed call when I was younger the film The Grudge

was a popular Japanese is horror remake 2004 Sarah Michelle Geller and I don't know if any of you have seen it but like the the entity the like crazy dead people that kill you and the the black hair they make this sound that goes like uh-uh and so yeah me and in junior high and all my young friends would you know imitate that noise because we thought it was funny or whatever I'm like uh whatever like the movie genuinely scared me so one day I recorded that noise on my phone And I set it to either my text notification or my ringtone. And I forgot about it.

And I completely, I completely fucking fucking forgot that I did that until like, I don't remember when, but like, I guess I must have had my phone on silent until that point. But much later, I was like, I was in the bathroom. And it sounded like it was coming from the toilet. And it was really, really fucking loud. And I freaked myself out so bad. I was actually terrified. I don't know.

Why would you make it your ringtelling yourself? Because I was a dumb kid. It was a dumb kid that really didn't get me. You did the exact opposite of what Charleston. Yeah. You made the most fucking disturbing shit in your ringtile. You were like the Batman of Grudge. You hated it so much you became it.

You've got seen The Dark Crystal. That's quite a good one for disturbing. Yes, that's one of my friends' favorite movies. Yeah, that is pretty disturbing. I saw the clips of it in the childhood trauma. series, but I didn't actually watch the movie. I watched Labyrinth. That's some creepy bits, but not as much as a Dark Crystal.

Our Crystal is definitely way more creepy for kids. Yeah. Is that it with questions? We did a good job, everybody. I think we did a good job. It was scary. Good job, everybody. Thank you for coming on, Charlie.

No, thank you for having me. Yes, thank you very much for our beloved guest, Mr. Charlie Penguins Critical Boy football player 448th That's what I'm better known by Yeah We have a film recommendation

For next time which is me So it's going to be an interesting one It's a very cerebral And challenging and intelligent film It's loved by critics and audiences alike It's a foreign film That has broken cultural barriers And change the planet

It's received a ton of awards It's known as one of the most important pieces of cinema ever made. My recommendation is a film from Hong Kong titled Shaolin Soccer, directed by Stephen Chow. This movie is fucking incredible, and Charlie, even though you won't be here next time, I recommend you watch it because you guys are in for a treat.

Hell yeah. If you have not seen this. Chow Lin Soccer by Stephen Chow. It is wonderful. Have you seen a Stephen Chow film? Alex? Let me double check. I've seen Kung Fu Hustle. Yeah. Kung Fu Hustle. Okay. That's cool. Yeah, that's his most popular one. It's going to be late then. Oh yeah. Sheldwin soccer is something else.

Hell yeah. I've been waiting to watch that one again for a while. You're right. I have seen it, but it's been a long time. That's a, I'm excited to see it again. Holy shit. I'm fucking hyped, man. Yeah, let's go. Yeah. Awesome. Okay, great. Thank you everybody for listening to our podcast. If you want to join in on the discussion for the film next week, obviously watch the, or sorry,

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We're noobs. We're nobs here. Charlie's got his podcast. How long have you been doing your podcast, by the way? 82 episodes now. Wow. And you do an episode a week or what? Awesome.

Yeah, one a week. Okay. Actually, I don't know if you two are, I don't know if you two are aware of this, but Alex, your third host here actually helped start the podcast. Oh, I've been on every episode, I think. Yeah. With a broken mic. Mark's typically muted, though.

Yeah. Oh, so that's true. That joke. That was one of the first comments we got on our podcast was how the hell did you fix Alex's Mike. We taught him everything he knows about podcasting. Well, that's great. It shows. Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

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