Sardonicast - Sardonicast 113: Bobdunga, Everything Everywhere All at Once, 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days

Episode Date: May 30, 2022

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three, two, one. Uh, I thought I had an intro and then I didn't. I realized I just did it before. But this is a new one by me saying that, actually. I was like, it just, I was just about to do the jackass one. I was like, wait, I did that. So, whatever. Oh.

That was my own special intro, actually. That was a unique, never before done intro. Yeah, you're allowed three of these. Yeah, well, this is the only one. This is, the other one was, different. Hi, I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is SardanaCast and this is a very organized

podcast. I'm Ralph Soppy. I'm Alex Maiichi, but that's not all. We're joined also by Raven. Can I introduce yourself? Hi, I'm Raven. What is your thing that you do? Okay.

There's such a long pause after that. So I have a channel on YouTube where I have two series, right now. One is called the Bob Dunga show. I do analysis videos and obscure game reviews. And the newest series is called Tales of the Lost, which is a cinematic docu series where I investigate lost media. So just think like geeky Nancy Drew. So I've got a couple questions for you. First, where does the name Bob Dunga come from?

Yeah, please tell us. Oh, God. Okay. Well, I came up with it when I was, I think 13 or 14. One of those. Yeah, I was one of those names. I got my first PlayStation 3, and I wanted to go on the live network, but I was scared of, like, people identifying me and telling me to make a sandwich. You know how it goes. So I had to come up with a really sexually ambiguous name,

and it just kind of stuck afterwards. Yeah. It's a good name. I like Bob Dunga. First, I wasn't sure how to pronounce it. It was like Bob Dunga. It was a little confused. It's very southern.

What do you mean by that? Is it like a real name? No, it's just, if you just read it, it's like, you know, Bob Dunga. Okay, okay. I get it. Yeah. For anybody who hasn't checked out the Bob Dunga show or Ravens Channel. Thank you.

Basically, yeah, there's this, there's the Mean Girls game for the Nintendo DS was considered Lost Media. So there were trailers, maybe not even trailers, like promotional material. There was evidence of a game that was about to come out. It was listed in some magazines or something, and then it never did. And so there was a debate on the internet as to whether or not the game actually existed. And Raven did some detective work and actually was able to acquire an unfinished version of the game because somebody who had worked on it still had the files or something and watched part one of your video. something crazy like that? Can you give a little summary? I don't know if I was doing it accurately.

No, that's pretty, pretty on point. So the first dokey series that I did was about the whole Mandela effect of the Mean Girls game because people didn't know whether or not it was just this big hoax or if it was a legitimate game because there was literally nothing on it except for, I think, one E-Talk News announcement or something really obscure like that. But my first video is about me diving into the whole mystery of it. And I didn't end up finding it the first time. I actually found a clueless game, which was also Lost Media. And someone who worked on Mean Girls ended up seeing that video. And he talked with someone else at the company. And they were like, okay, let's give her the game. But it was a really, really, it was not finished. It was like a very unfinished.

version of it. So I had to jump through a lot of hoops to get someone to help me to debug it. And then, yeah, I just posted it to my channel. That's awesome. I love, I love, I love, you are in the video. I love YouTube content that can actually, like, you know, almost kind of like break a story or like investigate or like provide new information on a subject. I'm a big fan of that kind of thing. Lots of effort, obviously. These are, these are long videos. If you're like long effort videos, go check out her channel. Especially when it's some skill stuff, like lost media. Especially like DS era type games.

I think I kind of care about game preservation and that kind of that side of it. So I've always had that on my mind. There must be like just thousands of these like DS games that just have no backup, no history, just lost a time. Yeah. Because there's a lot of shovelware. Like that's the biggest thing. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

What is the definition for shovelware again? It's like, you know, like on the Wii. they'd release all those totally trash games that were literally made in like a month or less. They'd just, yeah, yeah, shovelware, just shoveling stuff. Like, like, app stores are, like, absolutely full of shovelware. Like, it's just a nightmare. Yeah. And then just abandonware is things that, I guess, are no longer supported and you can't buy anymore anywhere.

So, like, there are some games where, you know, no matter how badly you want to purchase a copy legally, there's no way you're able to because the company isn't selling it. it anymore. And so I think that's considered abandonware. There's a website called myabandonware.com that I've gotten some old games off of. And basically how they operate from what I understand is they'll host like the original games

not cracked versions but like just like oh you can download this and then if you need a key you can figure out how to get that. But just as a way to like preserve them. I don't know if it's really I think it's probably still illegal but I guess they're trying to like make it justifiable sort of thing. Yeah.

And I think Silent Hill 4 used to be on there. And then Silent Hill 4 got added to GOG Galaxy, that like Steam kind of service. And so then when you try and see Silent Hill 4 on my abandonware, it just goes like, oh, we're not hosting this anymore because now you can actually buy it somewhere, which is kind of cool. It's like I like the idea of like, hey, we're only providing this service because no one can get this anywhere and it has to be preserved. Like there's a lot of value in preserving art no matter what it is, no matter what the quality or, you know, how the art is.

I think it's important to have that like historically. I think, you know, just for people to be able to experience something. And unfortunately, video games is like a huge one because it's not like, oh, it's just like a movie. You can just, you know, keep a VHS or transfer it to another, you know, format or just have it as a digital file somewhere. like these are things that you'd need to properly code to have like emulators to have on newer consoles even on PC I try playing old games on PC it's just like it doesn't work anymore um you have to

jump through so many hoops to get shit working now it's insane preservation of video and then it's like equally as difficult when you have people that come together to try to bring these games back to light and then they get like struck down by the developers who just don't really understand the importance of preservation. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, well, like, Halo Online that came out a few years ago, like some fans managed to get the Russian-only version of

online working. That was awesome. That was like... Yeah, it was. It was really cool. Yeah, that was an example where, like, I'm pretty sure that helped to get Halo on PC. Because that was just, that was so popular that,

that, you know, they had to take notice and be like, oh, I guess there's a market for Halo on PC. Maybe we should just push this out, you know. And then everybody stopped playing Halo online as soon as they released like MCC on PC and like all that other shit. So it's like, okay, well, you know. Wasn't it also fan intervention that got the Scott Pilgrim game to come back or so it was like something like that? It was a really popular Scott Pilgrim game. And then it became lost media for a while or not lost media. What was that term that you used?

Abandonware. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. it was on PS3 because I got it on there. But that I don't think I could access it for a while or something like that because didn't the PlayStation store go offline? Is there an earlier version you're talking about with Scott Pilgrim?

No, no, no. The PlayStation 3 one is, that's the first one. That was the abandoned one? That's when the movie came out. Okay. Yeah, so they, like, you know, I couldn't get it again, even though I paid for it. But then I guess they re-released it on PS4. I just bought it again.

And, you know, I guess that's what you guys mean. I think that's what happened, though, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, because a lot of people, People were like, I missed the Scott Pilgrim game. And then I think maybe they were listening. And then, yeah. Yeah, it was good. It's a good game.

I want them to put PT back on the Sony store, the PlayStation store. Yeah. Have you seen how much like PS4s go with them installed? Yeah, with PT preloaded on it. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. I still, I have a PS4 with PT on it.

And I think I, yeah, I did the whole transfer my console to another console thing. So I might have two with PT on it. it now, I'm not sure how it works. You've got an artifact. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. If the PS4 does, it goes with it. It's so, they're only going to get more valuable, I guess, but.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not like, um, back team. Okay. I, I, I, I love collecting, like, physical media and stuff and, like, rare things, but, like, I'm not one of those, you can never open it sort of people. I'm kind of like, yeah, I'll open it. I want that I have it so I can use it sort of thing. You know, I'll keep it in.

good condition, but I'm not looking to resell it. Like, I don't care if I destroy the value of it because I'm not reselling it. Like, it's for me. So you made a video, Raven, on DVD video games, which I enjoyed quite a bit. And I'm wondering if... I saw your comments on there, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm wondering if Ralph or Alex or, you know, we could just have a conversation about, like,

if you remember playing game... on DVDs because that was like that was a very nostalgic thing for me to watch yeah that's not ringing a bell no oh you guys are so young no no I didn't remember ever playing so you're saying like what kind of games like so unlike family movies like yeah so it should be like on on like side B or whatever or just like one CD there's like a bonus feature where it has little mini games but they're like really basic games that have really low-quality AMVs on that.

Yeah. So a lot of them will be like kind of choose your own adventure sort of thing, but they'll just be like a really crappy 3D render. So the Lion King DVD will be like, we have a safari tour and then you're just like, it's like you're on like a, I don't know, like a Disney wheeled, not quite roller coaster ride. And it's like, oh no, there's things over that way.

Which way should we go? And Timon will like look at you and you just like click the button or whatever. Oh. Yeah, like click the left or right remote button. Yeah, and they'll get some like different noise. This is triggering, like, I haven't thought about this concept in like decades. Yeah, this is like flooding back to me now. Do you have any like examples of like classic ones you loved? I'm trying to think. Yes. So I grew up in a household where we had a limited amount of games. So we would be replaying them over and over. And whenever we got bored of that, we would pull out all the DVDs and play the DVD games. So my favorite one is probably the Lion King who,

wants to be a millionaire, but also there was this really weird Grinch game. If you have a Grinch DVD, there's like a weird game where you answer trivia questions, and every time you get an answer right, it plays a scene from the movie that sort of makes you, like, it plays a scene from a movie that makes you feel like it's like answering the question for you. So like, let's say you get the answer right, then the Grinch will say like, fabulous or something stupid like that. Sounds just kind of horrifying. Believe it or not, there was a DVD game for Final Destination 3 where Disc 2 was Choose Your Own Adventure basically, and they filmed like a handful of extra

like short moments within scenes to do this DVD game. I feel like I remember that. Oh, it was so weird because I played it once. kind of cool though and um sorry were they like death scenes in the game um i don't i only played it once and i didn't really they didn't really there there were like yeah i i don't even know um i couldn't tell you i i played it once and i got one of the same deaths with like just like a tiny scene beforehand like it might have been even just been a shortened scene from the film it was really really weird so basically in the context of the normal film,

just the regular feature, there's like the gym scene and one of the guys is like working out of the gym and then the two people that know that death is coming after them, they're like, oh, you're next, they like run to the gym. And he's like, you guys are lying and you're stupid and you're gullible.

And there's this whole Rube Goldberg machine where the, you know, something hits a wall and like the water fountains next to an electrical outlet and then it loosens something on the shelf and there's like a sword display and then it cuts the wire connecting the weight and then when he uses the weight because the sword had cut that and he didn't notice it then the weight smashes in on his head so i play the DVD game and we get to that part and i don't know why this happened we get to that part and it shows the death but without the rube goldberg machine element so the characters just show

up to the gym and he's like hey how's it going and the weight just smash it his head immediately. And I was like, what? I was like, there was nothing to, why did that happen? It was like the weirdest thing. And I just stopped playing because it was so stupid. I, that was like, I got to that death and I was like, none of this makes any sense. Like, it was, yeah, I don't know why they designed it like that. They got rid of the whole, Ruth Goldberg. Yeah. With the black guy on the machine. Yeah. Like, that one, that one is like a deep memory. Yeah, that one actually scared the crap out of me. That's one of my least favorite

ones probably. Yeah. Weird juicer guys. We got some movie news. This happened a few weeks ago. Ralph has an article, I guess. It's kind of what I sent you guys before. I can't believe we forgot

to mention it last episode. I sent it to you. Okay, so Raven, you haven't heard about this, right? it's Vin Diesel we talked about him before he's had some trouble in the past

I don't know maybe Adam you could say like what happened before he so he's he's in a franchise called Fast and the Furious the Rock was in a few of them the Rock was no longer in any of them and then Vin Diesel

posted to Instagram this weird public plea for the Rock to return to the franchise and basically just being like kind of a manipulative piece of shit being like oh my kids love you and oh you're my best friend in the world and we're so close how could you do this and we can't the series can't go on without you it's not the same and we're just such close friends and it's like well why are you doing this publicly and then like the rock came out and was like yeah vin diesel is kind of like a manipulator

and just flat out said like yeah this is this is really kind of weird like you shouldn't be doing this why would you do this publicly like yeah and now what's the Most recently, Justin Lin, the director of a lot of these Fast and Furious movies, he left the 10th one. He quit. And it's reportedly, according to the Daily News, difficulty with Vin Diesel. Oh, my God. So I'll just read like a little bit. Justin Lynn quit as director of Fast 10 because star Vin Diesel is so difficult, according to his source with knowledge on the situation.

Through filming had already begun Lynn, who directed five. of the Fastest Furious movie. Yeah, he directed five of them. Five. But roughly quit last week without explaining why and without a replacement. And then there's a quote from like one of the producers. I've never seen anything like it. Lynn's turning down like $10 or $20 million.

And then this is what a source says. And Diesel shows up to set late. Well, I'll read it exactly. Sorry. Diesel shows up late to set. He doesn't know his lines. And he shows up out of shape. So that's basically it.

Yeah. And it mentions all the other stuff, you know, with The Rock. He kind of stopped, he quit the franchise a while ago. He made a spinoff movie, but, you know, I think it was partly because of Vin Diesel. You know, like, Vin Diesel seems like the kind of common thread, like the common problem. I have so many questions. Like, I thought he was rivals with him, first of all. Also, why is he acting like Kanye West?

It's so weird. He's, yeah, he's being really weird. He needs to be more professional. Oh my God. They're just going to call the movie fam because it's just going to be him,

like singular. Like, what are they going to do now? They don't have like a director. Like, they don't have the rock anymore. It's like these key ingredients of like the Fast and Furious movies is one of the past ones have worked so well.

All they have is cars. That's it. They have Vin Diesel. They have Michelle Rodriguez. They get. Yeah, they have cars. And that's it. I don't know.

They might not even make it. If they do, it's not going to be, like, good. They're losing money right now. There's no way that it's not going to come together. Like, surely directing one of these Fast and Furious movies would be like, one of the easiest jobs ever, right? Surely. There's like no rules within this universe.

Like, you can basically just do whatever. It's like you just get the billboard out and write, okay, we're going to space in the next one. Yeah, it's just so absurd and there's no rules and it's just so. dumb. Like it must have been a big deal to turn away like 20 million paycheck for that, especially after doing five. He's already done this four times before or five times before. Yeah. Here's a paragraph from the Hollywood reporter covering this. Diesel had become his own personality to be reckoned with at this point in the fast franchise. He long ago had become the dominant force and was not afraid to flex his ample muscle. His clash with Dwayne Johnson led the former superstar wrestler to leave

the franchise, even rebuffing public outreach. And the writing process for the movies was unorthodox to say the least. Insiders say writers with pen action sequences and Diesel would say yes or no to them, leaving to the director the job of making them fit, or not if Diesel changed his mind. The whole process is a mosaic that never stops moving, says one insider who has seen the making of several fast movies up close. So that seems kind of annoying to like have... I always forget. I forget the pool Vin Diesel has. It's weird. I was looking just out of curiosity did the other day at like the most liked Facebook pages in the world. And one of his

Vin Diesel's page. He's like crazy popular. So yeah, I guess he's just wielding his power. I mean, which is weird because he's not really doing anything but fast movies, right? He's not like... Yeah, it's that and grew. He's just that. What else is... Oh, he's Gru? Yeah, that's it. He's like briefly

and said... Oh, wait, sorry, Groot. Like I grew. No, no, no, that's Steve Correll. Groot. Grout. All he says is, I am Groot. Yeah, that's his other... He was good at the Iron Giant, but he only had like... He's the Iron Giant. That's a long time ago.

How could you forget Riddick, though? Yeah. All those things are a long time ago. As soon as Fast and Furious disappears, Vin Diesel's not really doing anything except Groot. Right? Like, if this franchise dies, then his career is, like, not really active. That's my understanding.

And Groot has such limited dialogue. Yeah, they get him in studio for like 20 minutes. Right. I am Groot, right. We think he's 20 minutes. We actually think he's 20 minutes, but he's probably in there for an hour with them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I felt less.

Yeah, not very much. Especially hearing about this. Especially hearing about people not wanting to work with him, like the rock and the director here, Justin Lynn. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I wonder how the 10th one will turn out. I hope that's the last one. Because I actually like the 7th one.

Are they going to space in the 10th one or not? Did you see 9? 9? Yeah, 9 was slightly better than 8, but yeah, they both sucked. I forgot there was even a 9th one. Like, that's how John Cino was in. Is Ludacris still in the Fast and Furious movies? Yeah.

I think so. Damn. Yeah, you guys talking around. Christopher Bridges. I think the last one I saw was the CGI Paul Walker, I think. Yeah, 7. Oh, 7, yeah. That's the last good one

It's a good one If you want to come out one Wait did they go to space and fast nine Yeah Okay that actually happened Tyrese goes to space Oh god They could have just called it fast space nine

And just left it like that Could I just called it Space Jam They should be calling it Fast 10 Your seat belts For that one The last one of those Oh here's a fun game without even looking it up, don't even,

you're not allowed to cheat. Name the fast and furious movies by title in order. I can do that. I can definitely do that. No, you can do that, Ralph? All right, Ralph, go for it. Yeah, I'll pull it up. From the first one?

Yeah. Okay, so it's, I think it's fast and furious. That's the first one, right? Then it's too fast, too furious. I'm not looking at it's right. Then it's Tokyo Drift. Yeah, yeah. Tokyo Drift.

Nice. Then it's the fast and the furious. Then it's fast five. Then it's Fast and Furious 6. Then it's just Furious 7. And then it's fate of the Furious. And then it's F9. And then whatever this 10th one is.

That's right, right? You mixed up one and four. Unfortunately, the first film was the fast and the furious. That one's. Yeah. The one I messed up. And four was fast and furious. Yeah. I was like, I was really thinking about it like the first one.

I'm like, oh shit, is it though fast? Or that's the one I get confused about. It is such a trope for the fourth movie to just add or remove a the. Yeah. Because you never want to say four. Final destination. Four is like embarrassing to people. It's weird that they become ashamed of the number four because three fits in a trilogy.

You know? No one ever wants to name it the fourth. You never want four in the title unless you're saw. Then you wear that like a badge of honor. you're like, fuck yeah, this is four. That was respectable. I was amazed you. I managed to pull that out of your hell like that.

Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I just missed the Vah. Yeah. And yeah, the faster, uh, sorry, the final destination movies, they also do that with the Vah.

Exactly. And the fourth. The final destiny. It's a, it's a trope. It's a really weird. People are scared of the number four. Or at least they think people are.

And I understand it because like three just seems like, This is like, when you think of a trilogy, it's like this was exactly as many as they planned. And then four seems like that one step too far. That seems where it's like, this is starting to get excessive is the implication with the number four. Yeah, that's shark jumping territory number four. All right. That's Vin Diesel. Yeah.

We saw a movie in theaters. A great movie. It is still in theaters. It is called. You saw it in theaters? Yeah. Whoa. I saw it in literal theaters because I saw it twice and it was in more than one theater.

So I saw it in theaters. Oh, yeah. Plural. Everything everywhere all at once directed by the Daniels, Daniel Kwan and Daniel Shinerd. What did everybody think of this movie? We can start with... Dick fingers. Sorry.

We can start with you, Raven. Anyway, I was just going to say that. Yeah. I actually was very confused. I went into the movie not really knowing what to expect. And the first thing I see is Jamie Lee Curtis playing the best Karen I have ever seen in a very long time. Like she was so good at being racist-ish. I could almost smell the microaggressions coming off of her vest.

It was pretty awesome. Yeah, she was definitely playing a type. Yeah. I also liked the Do you guys remember the Space Odyssey parody? Yeah Oh yeah With the fingers

Oh yeah Spoiler alert everybody for everything Yeah we're spoiling the movie Just making sure we're mentioning Sorry Maybe move that earlier Whatever it's fine It's on the poster

The hot dog fingers Yeah And then they eat their fingers And like mustard Yeah That's like really good That actually grossed me out But I do like the concept

Of using your own powers from different multiverses or universes with infinite outcomes. Yeah, it was... It was a weird butterfly effect. It was like a reimagining of like the Matrix powers where he like downloads and he's like, I know Kung Fu. But it took it to like such a different degree of like, okay, we're putting in a more like purposeful thematic concept in here for that.

But also they have, you know, this didn't need to be in it for thematic purposes, but just for entertainment purposes. perform an action that is so unlikely that it will connect with the right universe and so people are just doing these weird things of like okay fucking eat your chapstick and like all these hilarious nonsense like what is it absurd humor into the plot and making it make sense within it catapults you into a different part of the multiverse yeah it's like completely ridiculous yeah but it fits with like the Daniels filmography

quite well I think with their absurdist humor like I don't think it's out of place at all. I never saw Swiss Army Man, but I heard the humor didn't quite land as much, whereas I'm still haven't got around to that. Not for me personally. I thought that was hilarious, but, um... Oh, yeah. I haven't seen that one.

I've seen Swiss Army Man. I liked it. I'm more like, yeah, that humor didn't really connect with me. Um, this, this movie I feels a little more accessible. Swiss Army Man is like way more quirky than this and way more purposeless in its quirkiness. this film is like they took it's more quirky than this yeah they they took well I mean like this this feels like quirky with a purpose and I think that helps is because like everything that this does

it it sort of like makes sense and it feels like they have the reins yeah on uh these absurdist things that they're putting into the film it feels like they they're able to contain it within the film and contain it like they're holding it in a ball or whatever you want to call it it it's in the everything bagel let's say fees into itself, yeah. Yeah. Whereas like, that's a great.

Swiss Army man is just like, for the sake of being weird, that's it. And that's like, that's all there is to it. It's just the weirdness is where it starts and ends. And it doesn't really, it doesn't tie into itself.

Everything everywhere all at once, you could say is like a character story about like a mother accepting her daughter and coming to terms with like things in her own life. And the possibilities of what she, could have done and who she is and you know all of that can exist without the absurdist or supernatural elements but they all complement each other very well in this film they all like tie into each other and it it works it works really well i think my thoughts on it are honestly kind of as messy as

intentionally messy i'll say the movie is as as like the title suggests it's wacky it's yeah and it keeps ramping up like nearly every half an hour and it It's inherently unpredictable as a result. You just never know where it's going. I purposely made sure to not watch any trailers or anything. I just wanted to experience it fresh. And it was a proper experience. I don't know if I've really...

I'm trying to reel myself in because when I have such a strong emotional reaction to a movie, I can kind of overhype it in my head. And it's only my first viewing and I only saw it a day or two ago. So I'm still kind of wrapping my thoughts around it. But I've felt this way about a movie. Probably since it's hot fuzz. just in terms of balancing that tone, fitting in references in a way that makes sense. And as you said, yeah, feeds into itself and builds up a story.

And just the kind of scrappiness of it, too. I didn't realize nine people worked on the visual effects for this movie. Nine people. And they all learned it off YouTube and Google. So it's like this, I love the scrappiness and the kind of low budget, $25 million. Yeah. There's so much good about it. And like the main character is like a middle-aged.

Chinese woman who's like getting divorced. Like everything about it feels like so like fresh and an original and and the references aren't annoying. Yeah. That's such a sticking point for me. It's perfect. Like it's just following like this family that works at like a laundromat. It's just like so.

But it also ties in perfectly with the story because logically it's about this multiverse thing, right? And you're trying to find the most innocent kind of version of a protagonist. And it would be like this kind of, you know, kind of maybe poor. a person who's like working this laundromat, but then you see like the opposite version of like her daughter was like this is super evil like older version. I love that character too and that performance. I thought she was really good in the movie and the visual effects involving her and all that. Yeah, I couldn't believe nine people worked on the movie because all the effects

are really inspired and they feel definitely more inspired than something you'd see in like a bigger budget movie that's out now. Not that I dislike Marvel or anything, but yeah, it's, it's like, I love the shots of, like, Michelle Yo, like, center frame and it's all the different multivocuses. Oh, yeah. You can see the, you know, it's, it's, it's seizure-inducing, but like, in a good way. It's like, you know, it's not, like, and bad. It's like how I like Gasper in a way films, too. Yeah, but, yeah, if you need to close your eyes or whatever, but I think it's great.

Like, I love those scenes. It doesn't do anything bad for my eyes anyway. And yeah, you're right, Alex, it's like trying to encompass like that title, like that everything concept. Like, you know, it's trying to be about everything. And it's very kind of all over the place in a good way, I think. But I could see why some people wouldn't like that. Yeah, it feeds into a central message, doesn't it? Right. The villain of the movie is someone who's taken the whole world on their shoulders.

She's basically a, this whole bagel thing is kind of like a metaphor. depression nihilism, just anything negative like that, just the acknowledgement of the absurdity of our existence, basically. That's like, that's another thing, the movie, like, directly addresses multiple times. The kind of the guffin of the movie, the everything bagel, which is great, because it could be anything. And I love that. It's just like an everything bagel. Yeah. I love the imagery that references is. Yeah. It's just perfect for like the absurdist humor of the movie, too. Like, I couldn't think of a better kind of prop for this kind of film, honestly. And it falls in line with the title also. Yeah, I just wanted to mention

Ke Hu Kuan from Short Round. Yeah, I love that short rounds in the movie. That's awesome. Yeah, that's how I saw just like a little kid. Yeah, he's returned. He was really great in the movie. He was fucking awesome. He's really great. He's one of my favorite parts of the film. And yeah, James Hong as well. It's really great. He just got his star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I don't know if you know. I didn't know. But yeah, he has a ton of, I think, 177 credits. That's what it says on letterboxed. He's been

a ton of movie, so yeah, it's cool they just gave him it after this movie. And he's great in the movie. I mean, I thought he was just fucking hilarious, like, everybody is. Yeah, what a fun, like, framing for these actors to play? Like, you basically get to play a bunch of different characters

changing within a scene and just getting to see them, like, swap on the go and the emotional range. Like, it's really satisfying the way it will go from the scene open and it would be something completely absurd, something ridiculous. Yeah. But two, three minutes later, you'll be in tears.

Like, they managed to spin the drama around and maintain the drama despite the absurdity. That's what's so good about it. It's weird that it was able to do that because it's so chaotic because it seems to jump everywhere because it's, it's just absurd. But then I think it kind of grounds itself by having those rules because it reminds me of, you know, when you're on the school yard and you just like make up a bunch of things that don't make sense. Like finger guns and just like, it just seemed like, I don't know, it was easy to sort of get immersed into it.

But also it was just, I didn't get lost. I don't know. I thought maybe I would find it kind of cringy just because of all of the absurd elements. But it worked really well together. Yeah. In concept, this shouldn't work. Yeah. It is so ambitious.

It is way too ambitious for how well it wound up working in that day. It's the way that they, I guess, chipped away at the script and just, you know, the final draft, it must have taken a long time to get to that place, considering like, everything that they put into this film. Like, there's probably a lot of concepts that they dropped. It probably took them a while to get to containing it in this way. I think it was shot before COVID. Oh, yeah? I was watching some interviews this morning, and they were talking about how they spent most of lockdown in 2020,

2021 editing. They were describing this process of like they were just editing various scenes in their bedrooms or at home, like sharing it over the internet. And they described this concept called swarm editing. But they're like, if they were stuck on a scene, they were kind of like sharing it around with the like kind of tight, scrappy way they were making it. It seemed like quite loose.

And I don't know how you could assemble a film. like this without having a totally scrappy loose like framework like that because it's just so ambitious there's no there's no really good way to explain this without just tinkering I just want the

I don't remember his name I think it was Radiccuni I wanted to have his own Netflix show it was too good that was funny yeah I like that it just started as like you know the incorrect title

pronunciation at the beginning and then it just turned into like oh we're actually doing a bit for this yeah well that was one way I didn't love it at first when it was just a reference that was wrong but it was the commitment to it and bringing it back and then yeah we're recalling to it and having the whole there's an emotional ending yeah it's the one the one shot in that like yeah the that emotional sequence where like the dramatic music yeah yeah yeah and it's literally voiced by randy news which is extra fun. Oh, is it?

Yes. Oh my God. It's literally Randy Newman. Like it gets funnier, the more you get to hear about this movie. That's funny. Yeah. I actually went back just to hear him again. Yeah.

I love the soundtrack for this film too. The Sun Lux did it, which I love that band, the great band, great music. And the soundtrack for this movie was fucking sick. It was fucking great. I have very minor issues with the soundtrack. I'm stuck between, like, there's part of the movie. like there's parts where I feel like I wish that it was more memorable at parts in terms of like a melodic presentation but I think that where the soundtrack works best is when it's doing its own rendition of

I think Claire Dalloon by Debussy Debbie C yeah that that that whenever that's reincorporated that's awesome I think that works super well that classical And yeah, although, although, like, melodically, I, you know, I wish that I got something more memorable from the other parts of the soundtrack, I still respect it a lot because it's doing, it's emulating a lot of different genres. The trailer song, so like at the beginning of the film, they play the same song that was in the trailer. I thought that that was like absolutely fantastic. But there was something that's just like something really tiny just missing from me from like some of the more dramatic parts musically. but yeah otherwise it's very minor issues that I have with the soundtrack but like overall respect it a lot yeah well I love the soundtrack yeah um go back to the visual effects too like um

I feel like it feels like kind of a low budget movie but that's what I like about it like we mentioned the the body switching like when her husband switches bodies it's usually just a sound effect yeah and like just performance like it's just right and a performance it's just editing but it's completely immersive like you totally believe it in the movie like you're never distracted by like oh he's just doing like a movement oh he's a different person

yeah and it's very clear what's going on it's always very yeah obvious what's going on and yeah I just I like that stuff I like that the movie feels very grand scale even though it kind of isn't like a lot of the movie isn't a laundromat and in that IRS building

and I think that's basically it like maybe a couple other small locations but like it feels so much more kind of epic than that. Jumping between all the multiverses. Yeah, exactly. The different versions of her, right? It's kind of confusing.

Like you said, Raven, it's kind of confusing, but like in a good way. Like how science fiction should be, like, kind of how Chris Nolan's movies are. But like, I like science fiction to be confusing, complicated. Like, it's almost kind of parieting that in a way, but it works. Like, it's just really fun. Yeah, like, you just kind of roll with it because they're like, no, there's a set of rules. And you're like, okay, because they sort of feed you the rules to it. So you don't really question anything that's going on.

You just kind of absorb everything. And it acknowledges the absurdity, like, directly a couple times. Like, um, like, um, looper style where it's like, this doesn't make any sense. But it just keeps moving forward. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like one of the rules is basically that there are no rules, which kind of gives you ultimate creative freedom, especially when it's like grounded by the family dynamics.

Because everyone can relate to that. So the core conflict of the parents and the child not being able to connect generationally. And it's not just with the child, actually, with the grand father as well. Yeah, the family aspect really does ground the absurdity. I just kept saying it multiple points to myself. This can't keep escalating. How is it working? How is this simultaneous?

Like, humor I get, like having it just a funny movie, but it's balancing the tone. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, a tone like this is, like, so difficult. If you're going for the ambitious kind of shock comedy, like, as far as it goes in some places, like the, like the, like the, the, the bug fight scene and stuff like that.

It's like. Very satisfying. It's so satisfying. It's hilarious. It's actually laugh at loud funny. Yeah. But to have the drama work as well, I think is so admirable. I'm kind of shocked that it works the way it does.

I'm glad I saw this for the first time in a crowd. The audience was having a great time with it. Yeah. The crowd's great when I saw it both times. Like really good crowd of people. Yeah, they were always laughing. Yeah. Is there another movie that manages to balance absurdity with reality like this movie did?

It reminded me like Charlie Kaufman films or like, oh, that's a good example. It felt esk. Like it reminded me of Eternal Sunshine or being John Malkovich is like a good example. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was kind of existential. But also it felt like a Daniels film. Like it was the absurdist humor is definitely like.

staple of theirs and like it gave the movie personality that made it feel unique to them for sure. Yeah, yeah. It's really interesting how far they push the absurdist nature because there's other directors that just do

nothing but like, oh, this is weird and that's the whole point and it's just weird like Quentin DePia who his famous movie is rubber and that was all right, the killer tire movie. That was fine for what it was and like kind of self-wear.

But everything he made after that is just like, lull so random and that's it. And I'm just like, I'm irritated by it to such an unbelievable degree because it doesn't have a purpose. And it's not intelligent or clever. It's not saying anything. It's not,

whereas everything everywhere all at once is like, it's profound at points. It's actually, it has something to say. It's coming from a personal place. It's using quirkiness to help tell a story rather than substitute a story. And I, like that. I like that a lot. It's, you know, it's very well-balanced and super, super accessible.

There's not, there's not many movies this weird that I would just recommend to everybody. This is, this is a movie that I showed my mom in it, and she liked it a lot. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's very, like, creatively inspiring in that way, just in terms of, like, they managed to make this, this ruleless, like, just wacky story hit home in this kind of way. It's, it's quite illuminating and like trying to not box yourself in in any way it's just yeah I can't get over

that side of it it's a very like emotional movie it's making people cry it literally has like we haven't mentioned like the action scenes and stuff like they incorporate like there's literally like a smash bro's sound effect in it like just

just shrill really yeah yeah yeah like that's something that would go completely over completely over my head yeah Except there was no guy yelling game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It reminded me of Scott Polgram with like the absurdity and, and yeah, like the fight scenes too, like all that stuff from the movie. I love the action scenes. They were so well shot and fun and like really well choreographed.

What's extra hilarious is that we got a new Matrix movie recently, but this is a better Matrix movie. This is a much better Matrix. That was definitely, that was really a Matrix movie. Like this had much better choreography. This had much better. There's even that, there's that direct reference, isn't there? With the short where she changes off his cubicle.

And it's like staged the same way as the matrix. Yeah, it's very clearly inspired. Yeah. Right, right. It's the best Matrix movie since the original Matrix, in my opinion. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, true. Better than all the same thing.

It's their matrix, yeah. Maybe even a little bit of Dr. Strange. I want her to fight Dr. Strange. Yeah. Well, like the multiverse thing, right. Yeah. But yeah, I was just waiting for them to push it too far. I guess that's what I was trying to say.

As it was building, as the more elements kept stacking onto each other, I was waiting. When is it going to stop working for it? It just never does. Yeah. Even with how absurd it does get towards it, with the sausage fingers, with the, just how ridiculous it goes. Could easily fall apart at any moment.

But they managed to bring things back to, like, the central. The central themes. of the film. It's performing very well. It just recently, as of like a couple days ago, broke A24's box office record, so it's now its highest grossing film.

It just beat uncut gems, which remember has Adam Sandler in it. Right? Like this is, this doesn't have like, Michelle Yo is like the biggest actor out of all of the people in this. Yeah, Michelle is a big actor. Well, I guess Jamie Lee Curtis actually is probably a big bigger.

Oh yeah, her too. Domestically, I think. I think worldwide it's still on the terms. Oh, is that just domestically? Domestic record, yeah. What's incredible about this film. Yeah, it did great, yeah. As of a few weeks ago, so in its sixth weekend at the box office, it had dropped

0%. So it was like maintaining a constant flow of people watching the movie. this is one of those infectious word of mouth films and this shows up like maybe once a decade or something like I don't know it's been a while since there's been like a really like infectious word of mouth film like an example of that would be like Napoleon Dynamite where like it's screened in like a few theaters and then became like a huge hit just because people were like

so funny at this point it's dropped off like 6% which is still incredible for like what eight nine weeks at the box office like however long it's been and it's now just opened in the UK too so that should help it out a bit. Yeah. Extremely limited release here too. Yeah.

Yeah, they're doing weird stuff with this movie. I wish A-24 just release things like normal, but whatever. I know. Like perhaps it's like its own strategy in terms of like them knowing that it's a word of mouth film. They're just like keeping it in the conversation as long as possible. I don't know. But I'm glad it's doing well and I'm glad it's working out for them. I'm really happy that like this is like a, you know, a.

a passionate, personal film that is gaining a lot of recognition with people. Sure, it's not as big as Dr. Strange, but among, you know, people that care about films and even expanding beyond that, just random friends of people that care a lot about films, a lot of people are seeing and a lot of people are enjoying it. I love to see it. I like it when something can permeate the public consciousness like this. It should just be the beginning. It's actually a fresh experience for anybody

because there's so much going on in the movie that it just naturally makes the trailer ambiguous. Like, I have no idea what I was looking at. Yeah, it's impossible to prepare for it. Yeah. The description on IMDB used to just be a woman does her taxes. It's hilariously big. That's great, actually.

Yeah, how do you top this? Like, what are the Daniels are going to do after this fight? Yeah. I'm for it. I'm all for it. I really loved Death of Dick Long, even though it was only one of them that directed that. Yeah, like, after this, I'm like, okay, I'm sold.

I'll just watch your next movie. I'm not even going to watch the trailer. Even if your next movie is not as good as this, I'll probably get something in it. Yeah, good luck following it up is the thing. It would be nice to see me as something. Right. Yeah, could you imagine a sequel?

I wonder, like, that might, that might, not work well, but you never know. Yeah, this is just leaving here. The budget was only $25 million. Yeah. That's really great. Mm-hmm. That's awesome.

Let's see. Do you have any criticisms with this film, really? Because I hardly have any. I have some dubbing complaints. Just the music to like that tiny, tiny bit. Yeah, 56 million worldwide. There's some dubbing. Grosses.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to look up a list of like 824 worldwide. yeah I think the reason why the worldwide isn't high is because they just didn't release it outside the states for a while yeah exactly yeah that's what I mean yeah so it was part of the movie where um it might be eventually they were trying to set up for a misunderstanding like when he her husband was presenting her with the divorce papers I was so sure that they were going to hold on to that until the end of the movie but I really appreciate that they just threw that out within the first few minutes of the film yeah yeah yeah I can imagine that would have been a critical thing criticism, but they didn't end up using it. Okay. Yeah, very

crazy unique movie. If you haven't seen it, please check it out. Anybody listening? Even if we've said a lot about it, can't really spoil this movie. It's its own experience. If someone tells you about it, no matter how much they say, it doesn't, you can't

really spoil the experience of this movie. It's not a movie you can really spoil it. boil. You can still watch it and get just as much out of it. Wait, worldwide box office 824. Number one's Hereditary, then Lady Bird, then moonlight, then everything all at once. Yeah, so just domestically then.

Yeah, everything all at once might go. Number one. How much is hereditary? Uncut gems is five. Hereditary's $81 million worldwide. It could get there. It needs to make $30 million from like other countries. Yeah, and it just opened up in like Europe and shit, so who knows? Yeah, we'll see. It could get there. Yeah. Mid-Solmer's on there. The wind.

Mitch, seven, X Machina's eight, room is nine. Spring Breakers is 10. That's interesting. Spring Breakers. I'm not surprised by that at all. It's his most successful. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. That was 2013 personified. All right. Everything everywhere all at once. I'm giving this one a 9 out of 10. Loved it. Watch it. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Nine out of 10. I could probably bump up if when I see it

again. But yeah, I just want to hold it back a little bit. Yeah, there's a lot of Easter eggs in it, so. Yeah. Definitely nine and a ten,

or even higher. Yeah, like a six. Nine. Yeah, that's good. It's great. I'm happy for the Daniels.

Yeah, like that they made a movie that is so successful and also like fucking weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see more of it.

I'm happy it's doing it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to their next thing. Yeah. Yeah. It'll definitely be like one of my favorites of the year, probably, like, definitely on my list. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's, uh, right now it's my, maybe my favorite movie of the year. There was another film I watch called, uh, yeah, Klondike, uh, that was really good. Oh. From Sundance. Right now, this is my favorite, yeah. Uh, I like the Batman. And I like men. I saw men.

That was great. I'll be seeing that as soon as I'm. testing negative for COVID because I might still be testing. That one's kind of like a mother situation, I think. Like, people don't like it because it's kind of fucking weird and crazy. I definitely like it. Alex, is that in theaters for you right now, men? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's all right. I was going to see it tomorrow. Yeah, we'll catch it before the next episode for sure. Yeah, just saw it yesterday. All right, the film recommendation of this episode. It was my recommendation, so I will describe the film. It is four months, three weeks, two days. It is a Romanian film.

It won the Palm Door, I believe, in 2007. It is directed by Christian Mungu. I don't know how to pronounce his name. I probably but that's just fine. This is a very brutal, very real, non-sugar-coded film about, a woman and her friend trying to get a black market abortion in Romania in the 1980s where it was illegal and yeah spoilers for this film I would highly recommend it so if you haven't seen it check it out and you know come back and listen but yeah what did what did everyone think of this

movie I had to like sit on it afterwards and then I think like maybe after an hour or so, I started to realize that the main character, she's basically a vessel because I felt a lot of anxiety when I watched the movie, and it's all kind of through her perspective. Because I noticed that the other characters, they all seemed kind of muted around her or just a little more, I guess, jaded by everything. It was weird, but he's very anxious, especially the one scene at the dinner table. That just, it felt like it went on forever. Yeah.

Yeah. There are a couple of dinner table scenes of misery. It's harrowing. And it's so impressive, like, the, the approach to such a sensitive topic and being able to present it with a, is just a straightforward, this is what it is. And here's the harsh fucking reality of having to live under oppressive laws like this. I didn't realize for the first half an hour or so, I was a little bit like, what's this going? What's the structure of this? how is this, how's this going to come together?

What's the pace about? But as soon as it gets to that hotel room and you kind of see what's going on, I didn't know about just how strict Romania was in the 80s regarding this sort of thing, including like contraception even and stuff like this. So, yeah, it's harrowing, it's horrifying. But it makes a very strong point, I would say. What do you think, bro? I feel the same.

Yeah, it makes a very strong point. I love the way that it's filmed. Lots of long takes. Yeah. It's all handheld, but not like, yeah, it's not like distractingly shaky cam or anything. It's just sort of like this uneasy sort of, you know, not stable, I guess, is to reflect the time of the film. Yeah, it's very well shot, I thought. Not exploitive.

It was very well shot. Yeah. It didn't feel like... Look good. Told the story well, I thought. It didn't feel like over dramatized or like manipulative. Especially with the lack of music. It's very subtle.

Yeah, minimal. Yeah, which is definitely better, like when you're approaching the subject matter. Yeah, you don't need a flat for a story like this. Yeah, it grounds it way more. It's not sensationalized. It kind of speaks for itself, right? It doesn't need to be sensationalized. Yeah.

Yeah, it won awards at Khan, right? The Palm Door. And perhaps some others. Which is the best thing you can win. Yeah, the grand, the big prize. When did it come out? 2007. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. It's definitely like, I definitely like the message of the movie and like the politics behind it. Yeah. For sure.

It's like one of those films. Yeah. It was shocking. but not in your face. It was very subtle in the way it added shock value. Yeah, it was brutal without feeling like poor taste.

Yeah. It wasn't like brutal like a fucking Eli Roth movie like it wasn't, that's not what it was trying to be. It didn't feel immature about approaching its subject. Imagine Eli Rothick of this.

Oh, no, thank you. Oh, dude. You don't even put that in my head at him. Keanu Reeves in it. No, that would be terrible. You're pregnant? Whoa. Like, no, no.

Whoa. Yeah, this is, um, I don't know. I, I don't know how the rest of you feel about this, but I felt like the pacing of this movie was like absolutely fantastic. And that might be because I've seen it so many times too, but like it flies by for me. It feels like 40 minutes go by and it feels like 20 minutes for me. Much of it feels like it's sort of in real time. But the communication of passage of time is like a really, really big,

really well done thing for me in this film. How did you all feel about it? Yeah, definitely. Especially the scene at the table or when she's trying to make phone calls to her friend, it felt very urgent, even though everything around her was just sort of going. yeah I just I watched it thinking like okay get back to the apartment go back to the apartment the tension and misery from her just sat there in silence yeah yeah the way the way that

tension flows in the dinner table scene is in large part due to the blocking to how the scene was blocked so while she's sitting there and she's like very physically reserved she's you know almost like curling up in a ball. And you can see the anxiety in her face and her not really being there presently in the conversation. Her head is clearly elsewhere. And meanwhile, everyone else at the table is kind of like really in any other circumstance, this wouldn't be so uncomfortable.

But because of the context of the film, like they're reaching across the table and like just very loud. And like it's like it's a very incredibly uncomfortable situation to, to observe. and just how much movement there is between everybody else and how still she is. It's a very, very well communicated emotional perspective of that character, I feel. Yeah, I don't even really know how they managed to articulate that throughout the movie,

because it was done really well, but did you guys notice that everyone else felt very slow? I don't know how to describe it. Well, okay, so Gabita, she is the one who's pregnant, right? but you would kind of think maybe she would have a little bit more panic or urgency, but it just felt like it was all coming from the main character. Yeah, I think that... She was concerned for everybody else.

Well, it's, I... They were kind of experiencing this trauma together. Yeah. But even though they were together, they were experiencing it alone in a way. Like, the rest of the world was like really uncaring and like apathetic towards them. And I guess like even unaware. most of the characters are you know they don't even understand uh what's happening and it's just not their problem because they're not aware of it with how they're performing like uh i forget

her name the uh gabita i think is the uh black-haired uh woman like yeah throughout the film she like her personality and um everything that we find out about her character like she doesn't she's not great at um planning ahead she's uh she's very um she's she's not the brightest and that's not to suggest that she deserves any of the pain coming to her because she doesn't um but it's it's a good way to sort of emphasize the idea that like okay yeah well not not everyone's going to be able to prevent a pregnancy not everyone's going to be able to deal with this right away whether it be find for financial reasons or because of like personality reasons or um you know like not everyone's like a perfect example of like some genius who has everything figured out in their life you know some people

are kind of fuck-ups and they find themselves into this situation and that doesn't mean they deserve it you know like um so i found it interesting that they didn't paint her as like some sort of like virtuous like oh i'm you know i did everything right and things still fucked up though no she clearly fucked up too, but like, it's presenting a very real like, okay, yeah, even if people fuck up, like, do they really deserve this happening to them? Like, we can still empathize with them, right? You know? Yeah. Yeah. Because it seemed, they seemed a little disconnected from each other, because maybe that's just how she processed the trauma of even being pregnant at a time like that. They said, they seem so disconnected that even at the very end of the movie, when the main character was like,

let's just forget about this. But you could tell she was stressed out. Gabita was like, all right, let's just forget about it. It's just kind of ended off. I was sensing more almost relief in a way from Gabita. She was so distressed by this idea of like, there's no solution to this problem and we have to get this done. So by the time she's at the table, I'm just so hungry, I've got to eat.

Whereas the other character, the plan doesn't go as it should have. So she's thinking ahead that, certain the assault could have been avoided in her head if like just certain decisions weren't made. So there's an extra pain at that dinner table and like there's nothing really addressed. The Gabita character doesn't really acknowledge it in any way, like what she's done or what they had to do. So there's just like a sickening silence. I think she's just sort of like repressing it internally. I think that she just deals with those emotions in a very different way. You know, like the main character comes back to the hotel and the first thing she's like, why didn't she answer the phone?

And she doesn't even acknowledge it. Gabita just like is is clearly in her own contained world with her own thoughts. And she just says like, it came out. It's in the bathroom. And she doesn't even acknowledge that she didn't pick up the phone. Like she she's in kind of like in a stunlocked position where like she, I don't, we'll never know like to the level of which she's trying to communicate. with the outside world, but she's sort of trapped internally. Like, she's very clearly unable to, um, to, to, to deal with, uh, everything that's

happening. And so she gets stuck inside. It, it's, she's very clearly internalizing a lot of it and just, yeah, it's, I, I think the character's portrayed really well, both of them, all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was great because you kind of look at it two ways where at first glass, you kind of think, okay, well, she's just really selfish and she's only, thinking of her own safety because of how dire the situation is. It almost seems like Gabita's in her own mind. But then when you actually look at it, she's coming from a place of trauma. So there's double layers to it. And I did remember that one scene where the main characters talking to her boyfriend, they're having an argument. And she says,

Gabita would help me if I had an abortion. And I actually thought about that. I was like, would she? I don't really know. Just because of how the characters we're interacting with each other. Yeah, I think that this is something that I kind of picked up on this most recent watch. I think one of the things that it's really just like

hammering down is like this idea of like isolation when it comes to these problems because you can't talk to anybody else about it and they're dealing with these problems themselves and like one of the last lines of the film is just like we're never going to speak about this

to anyone. And the visuals accompanying that is like an entire party happening in the background, right? Like, that's a huge contrast of emphasis of like these two are dealing with their trauma while the rest of the world is going on and taking place. And they can't speak to anybody about it because they're, you know, it's criminalized. They can't even, they're going to deal with this by themselves and no one's there to help them. And an interesting visual that I just picked up on this last time that I watched is at the end, not only is the party happening behind glass, but as the shot continues on, it's kind of a reveal that the camera perspective is also behind

glass. Before the car starts moving, you see the reflection of the headlights. They add the sound as well. And so that's almost kind of a reveal, like, no, you, the viewer are separated from them as well behind glass. there's the scene earlier when she's talking to her boyfriend who doesn't know about this whole situation. He's just like, make sure you're there with flowers and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're like trying to plan this dinner.

And the way that that scene continues on, she walks behind at the building that they are, and she goes behind glass. And so it's like this interesting recurring visual choice. And the shot continues on. He's sitting there. She's behind the glass and she even kisses him through the glass. She like puts her hand to her leather. into the glass and then she walks away.

I feel like that has to be intentional. I feel like that has to be like a visual, like, you know, some symbolism for the isolation and the different worlds of these characters that, like, he has no idea what she's going through. They're, you know, in a separate reality, basically, because they're unable to communicate with each other and, you know, process it together.

Even it did feel very stifled because even during the dinner scene, when she's sitting next to her boyfriend, they don't even look at each other. Like, they're both just looking off into the distance that I don't even know what, but it just... Yeah, he doesn't say anything. Yeah. It looked like he was having a bad time, too. I don't know. It just looked really, yeah.

There was also, was it implied that the lead was also pregnant? That was a real possibility. I think it left it, like, ambiguous. Um, because she barfed at one point and I was like, wait, what? Unless I missed something. Yeah, it could have just been like the stress of, you know, the whole situation. Yeah. Because that would have made it more real for her as well, but yeah. Yeah, I don't, yeah. Um, she could be. She, she might not be. She definitely, uh, at least, at the very least, you know, played with that idea with her, her boyfriend. Like, she's like, how did you, how do you know I'm not right now? Like, what if she is? Like, what if she is? Like, like, We don't know.

Yeah. So that's a very real possibility for the character. And so, yeah, most of this is done in kind of like a one-to-one ratio for like passage of time, very long scenes, very long takes. The emotions build up very naturally over the course of a scene, lots of tension just from the performances and the blocking. But the few times where there are edits in the film, there's like very few times where passage of time is communicated through the editing.

and it's just, it's so, so reserved and so effective in how it's done. Just like really simple cuts. So, uh, Gabita comes in, uh, to the bathroom to have her cigarette while, uh, there's a, a sexual assault rape taking place in the other room with the main character. And, um, the passage of time is just communicated through like a simple cut. She's like sitting slightly differently on the, the toilet and then main character comes back in and then we get more passage of time cuts where you know she's trying to uh wash herself uh after that uh horrific uh experience she's washing herself

and then we just get this like the shot of the back of her head and it's silence except for the clock ticking and as the viewer it's like okay like we don't know how long she's been sitting there but the implication is clearly like she was just she was there for a while and then after a few seconds were like cut back and she's you know there's another action being performed again i love i love that it so much is implied by just those simple editing choices of yeah whereas like the entire rest of the film is like pretty direct one-to-one uh passage of time it's just yeah i i feel like that's communicated like super well do you have any relationship with this director's other movies i'm just looking at as i mdb there's got a few there i'm just not familiar myself

Are there any that are on this level? Is this considered kind of the cream of? It's probably his best. Graduation is another one that I really enjoyed. I'd have to see it again. But that one's like super well done. What was the other one that I watched? Let's see.

He's got a film at Cannes right now. I'll have to figure out how well it's doing. Was it all right, man. Yeah. Yeah, beyond the hills, I remember enjoying, but I don't know if I was like fully into the style at that time. I would have, I'd be willing to give that one a rewatch to see how I feel. but yeah graduation would definitely definitely recommend graduation

like similarly minimal and oh yeah they're shot very yeah this the style is like just as meticulous in fact i would say in graduation it's like you can tell he's like evolved a bit more like it's it's it's even better looking from like a cinematography perspective um than this film really great performances and everything he does yeah really great director he's one of my favorites for sure. Okay. Yeah, this was a good movie. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, a necessary movie. Yeah, it's, I figured this was on my list of potential recommendations for a while. And then with recent news coming out of the United States. The timing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, right. It's like when I recommended Texas Chainsaw Massacre after the Texas thing.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like overly preachy. It's not it's not manipulative, really. Yeah. I mean, like all film is manipulative. There's a certain degree to which everything's manipulative,

but it's not, it's not in poor taste in any way. It's very real. It's very raw. It just allows you to, you know, experience and recognize that these are real. things that people have gone through, um, that people shouldn't have to go through.

You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just picturing, this is just one tiny example of the capacity of like an entire country. Yeah. It's just one country in a whole world. So yeah. Just by, it's incredibly depressing from that aspect. But that's why it's a message that needs to be shared. Yeah. Like just just through statistically alone like inevitably like if you have these laws in place, then these things will happen. Oh, another thing I picked up on this watch

that I didn't really pick up on the other ones. I feel like they were trying to make kind of an analogy towards other black market sort of demands because they put a lot of attention on that cigarette brand. They put a lot of attention on these cigarettes and they were like Kent cigarettes or something. And one of the lines from the boyfriend is like, oh yeah, you can find it. One of the one of the black market dealers will have it for like 80 lay or whatever and immediately as soon as she gets rejected from the first hotel because gabita did a fuck up and they didn't have the the hotel um just like within i don't know 10 feet of the desk uh she just sees a guy with a double bag and she's like oh do you have the kent cigarettes he's like yeah oh it's just got sort of right there and it's

like, okay, I think, you know, that they're making some sort of commentary on like, yeah, if you have a lot of these things that are made illegal, then there are, you know, underground black markets for them. I don't know if cigarettes were illegal or what the situation with that was in Romania in 1980s, but, you know, even for something like that, even if it wasn't illegal, like they were clearly establishing that there are other services that, you know, you create a black market somebody is going to take advantage of that if there's any sort of incentive for that there's going they're going to exist so i think that that's kind of what it was touching on by including that in the film i think but seems like something it would yeah because the smoking was a part

of uh one of the dinner scenes with the the dicker guy who was friends of the boyfriend's parents who's kind of like ranting and raging about how the youth like don't respect them anymore and smoking in front of them out how dare you disrespect me in this way even though the main characters I've been disrespectful by the government yeah right yeah

there's definitely like a historical context that I'd need to read more into yeah I would have to look up about the origin why there were black market cigarettes in Romania in the 1980s one thing that kind of pissed me off

it's nothing it's not the fault of the film it's the fault of criterion whoever did the fucking subtitles there was a line from the black market abortion doctor, if we want to call him a doctor, where he was saying, anything below 100 degrees is fine, anything over 102 degrees, that's serious, and that's an emergency. And I'm like, wait a minute, I don't think Romania uses Fahrenheit. Like, why would they, and then I found out that, you know, other people, their versions were like,

oh, no, mine used Celsius, too. I was like, why would they translate that for Americans? When... Oh, they... Yeah. Why would they translate that way? Like, first of all, you didn't translate lay to dollars. That would have made just as much sense.

You know, she's buying cigarettes. You should have translated the currency too, then. Like, okay. Then it's like, well, so what purpose are you translating Celsius to Fahrenheit for, then? For the criterion crowd that's buying an art house film from Romania in case they don't know that, like... Celsius. Like, who's that for? Why'd you do that? That was weird. Yeah, who's zoned in on that one? Yeah. Yeah, that's really random. I'm just going to fact-check myself just to make sure Romania doesn't use Fahrenheit. But I think the only countries are like America, Myanmar, and like one country in Africa. I think that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think Romania uses Celsius. Anyway, I'm not going to get too bugged into that. That was just like a tiny, thing that I was like, wait, what?

A lot of the shots and how they're blocked, it's done in such a minimalist way, but it's like so super effective. The scene where they're arguing about, you know, payment and he's like threatening to leave or whatever,

and all of the characters are sitting and the camera is sitting at the same height as the characters. And Gabita stands up and she, you know, makes her plea about, you know, money and blah blah blah blah blah and the the male character is sitting down still the camera stays with the male character for the that part of the argument and gabita her head is like out

of frame and then as soon as the freak out happens and this is continuous in the same shot within like a minute or two the male character stands up while the main character is still sitting down the male character stands up the camera follows the male character still and so i think that that like cinematography wise is kind of like implying like level of like power or control that this character has over the scene that you know other characters are out of frame vertically while he continues to stay in frame whether he continues to sit down or stands up I think that there could easily be that level of intent there's that the shot of like the trains between the trains like very claustrophobic and anxiety inducing the shot where she's like about

to catch the bus I really love she has to like rundown and just the blocking and pacing of everything I think it's like superb super well-made movie how many times have you seen this movie then it sounds like quite a few this is probably my fifth it's probably okay yeah so yeah I'm not sure if this for me is one I'm gonna be rushing to get back to anytime soon yeah yeah no because it is it's it's yeah it's not fun it's not trying to be fun at all. It's making a point and it's just inherently heavy, I suppose. And the minimal style and everything is, yeah, you've got to be ready for it, basically, I would say. You've got to know what you're getting into. Just one final thing I want to mention just because we didn't touch on this.

I think the set design is like super, super well done. Like from the moment, the shot starts at the beginning of the film and you can see like, you know, the goldfish bowl that's not really a bowl and like all of these like personal items strewn along the room um it tells so much about like the characters right and the the setting itself is a character you can see like the snow outside and it's it's just like this perfect sort of like atmospheric setting and you can tell that the rooms are like

lived in you know they don't feel like sets the that things were just carefully laid in place for the purpose of like starting a shot it feels like a very real, very natural setting. Yeah, even like that painting in the hotel room. It's like a ugly painting and the commenting on it trying to...

Yeah, it's all... It just feels real. Like, there's not, there's... You don't feel like you're watching actors for a second. It just feels... Never. Yeah. Like, it's just, yeah. It's just a documented bit of misery. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, I said a lot about it. Is everybody, uh, anybody else have anything to say about it or real? honestly I think it's one of those movies that pretty much speaks for itself in most ways like it's just it's making a very strong point and doing it with that minimal style is it's just everything it would need to be to make this kind of movie make this kind of point and it does hammer at home very well without beating you over the head with any with anything too ridiculous you know it's just matter of fact this is the harsh reality of what things are and have been

in some places. All right. I'm giving this one a 9 out of 10. Love this movie. Love the director. I hope that I hope that

his newest film at Cannes is pretty good even though I'm not there right now but I'll check it out probably at 10th or whatever. Yeah, I'd like to see that one. Yeah, it looks like it's doing well. Celebration or is that what's called? It's called RMN. And the other one's called Red.

Oh, RMA. Graduation is the other one. The one is the one from 2016, yeah. graduation's awesome. That's the one I want to watch. Yeah, graduation. Okay. I'm sure his new movie's fine.

Yeah, I agree with the message behind it. I'd give it more like an eight, maybe a seven. Yeah, I want to watch it again, though. I'm more like a seven, actually. Yeah, a few years. Then I'll watch it again, perhaps. I think a night.

Yeah, I'm not in a rush to rewatch. Oh, good. This is definitely a my kind of movie. It's just depressing art house shit. Mm-hmm. But I'm glad we all got to see it I'm glad that none of you had seen it before I like introducing people to things

So two eights and a seven and a nine Yeah, seven Yeah Cool, pretty good All right, I think it's I think it's question time It's a question time Let's do some questions

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Stanley Kubrick supposedly enjoyed watching commercials as he was impressed that a full story slash idea could be told in such little time. Are there any commercials that stand out in your memory as genuinely good short filmmaking? Oh, well, the Apple one. I feel like that's the best example. Which one?

The Apple ad? The 1984 one. Oh, the, like, fucking, yeah. The guy on the screen, and the guy throws something through it or whatever. For the Fortnite version. Wow, well, that's where it came from. Yeah, that's like a great commercial. There's one David Lynch made.

There's one David Lynch made for PS4 I like. Oh, the PlayStation. Oh, the PS3 one with the baby? Yes, the picture of the baby. It's fucking like random shit. Yeah. That was so demented. It reminded me of, um, uh, was it, what is it, train spotting?

With the baby on the, ceiling. Yeah, yeah. I was just going to make sure we're thinking of the same ones just so I don't... PlayStation has some really weird adverts actually. Yeah, that's why they have a lot of weird ones. They used to. I don't think they're going for that anymore. Oh, not anymore, no. That was a PS3. They were weird during the PS3

era. Yeah. I love, yeah, there's something really nostalgic to me about like the decade of like 2000s where you know, it was all sort of just like responsive to the 90s. you know it was like

a referendum yeah it's like we're gonna just do weird shit for no reason just throw everything at the wall we had the edgiest

television shows a bunch of light yeah yeah it's not cinematic but I really liked the Geico

ape commercials with the cavemen yeah classics I always like anytime there was a new caveman commercial

I was 100% invested hmm I think that's David Lynch You know The Old Spice commercials Tim and Eric directed those

I think they did a fuck awesome job Did they? Yeah Isn't that crazy? Really? I had no idea they directed this What the fuck? Yeah it's crazy

The one with the guy on the horse or whatever Yeah They started that whole thing They're like really There's everywhere in meme coach That's crazy I had no idea Yeah that seems like

That makes a lot of sense actually You know you're telling me Yeah It makes sense And that was actually like I remember. Terry Cruz. Yeah, that permeated the culture for sure.

That was like everybody. Yeah, very successful ad campaign. I think one of my favorite ads is the Lego movie. It's the most cinematic ad. They made a movie out of it. Pretty good. Yeah, we've got a few of those now. To be honest, like, I just, I way remember ads that annoy me more than the ones.

That's unfortunate. I quote, unquote, in short, because I do everything. power to avoid avoid adverts. So the only time I really see them is going to the movie theater and I'm forced to watch them. And if they're bad enough, I'll like note them down on my phone cause some weird ones. Like, did you guys have the whole series of like Eminem adverts where the Eminem was like fucking that guy's wife is really fucking weird. What? What? That sounds awful. The Eminem cuck campaign? What are you talking about? Basically, yeah. It's like a guy coming home from work and in the bed it's like

an M&M with his wife. It's like fucking really weird. I'll have to look into that. I don't I remember the there's been a lot of really messed up M&M commercials but I don't remember a cucking one at all. That's very funny. I remember the one for

Goldfish and there was like this reoccurring or like running the storyline throughout the commercials. Like I've never seen that before with commercials. Like the goldfish had this like continuing stories. You had to watch like all 50 commercials to like understand. It's fucking weird.

I remember that from when I was a kid. Yeah. The GC. I don't think I've seen them all either. The Goldfish cinematic universe. Yeah, yeah. You gotta watch all of them to understand.

Yeah. What do you think Stanley Kubrick could think of commercials now though? I'm sure that it's quite a bit different compared to the type of stuff he would have been watching back in the who knows. I mean. Hmm.

Like that's another thing that kind of gets under my skin. Just seeing like the visual effects just being flaunted in these, these like car commercials with this ridiculous, like, special effects. It just seems like, is this really necessary? I think most commercials are absolutely irritating and annoying. And I'm just like, I get upset that there was like a team of people that were paid to come up with it. And I'm like, you fucking idiot. I get so mad.

It seems to work sparingly. Yeah, watch madman. Remember the five alive? commercials. Those ones were really heavily edited, but it kind of works because they're trying to advertise the drink is being crazy. Yeah, you just remember, I, I just got that, uh, that jingle in my head now. That's like a buried. Yeah, the robot. Yeah. Alive. Yeah. And it's just like, it depends what you do with the format. You can make a good ad. Just like a movie is kind of an ad. Like you said, it just depends on what like the creative team does with the amount of time and like, with

the resources. You can make a good ad. They're just kind of rare. Like good movies are rare. Yeah. Although good movies are more common than good ads, I would say. Yeah, that's true. It's very few I actually really like, for sure.

Because yeah, it's just like you're being forced to watch something you just have no interest in basically, right? That's like most ads. It's just like, okay, it's just this random fucking 30-second thing. I just don't care about. Yeah. Yeah. the best ones are like that are either just funny or they're like I don't know

it's something you like or you think is cool it's like a really great ad like the Apple one that's like one of the few yeah I was in the theater and one of the ads it honestly looked like it was for Jurassic Park and it was like a Jeep commercial or something car commercials never yeah

they're never about the car because they can't say anything about the car because it's just the new car and they don't do anything under it. What are you gonna yeah this car can drive and it's like basically the same as last year. So you have to sell an identity.

You're like, this is one for families and you can fit your child seat in the back. Like that's as far as you... This one's for people who go to the club and like music. This one's for weird David Lynch fans. The ad just has nothing to do with like the thing. Never does.

That's how Coca-Cola ads are. Coca-Cola ads are just like a random thing and then it's like Coca-Cola at the end. Like it could have been a car ad. Like it could have been an ad for anything. Yeah, what are you going to say? about it. Yeah. You know what it tastes. It's just about putting Coca-Cola. It's about reminding you that the brand exists and having this weird like superiority, supremacy sort of thing going on. Like,

we are the default brand. We are the default. Everything else is a knockoff. And if you have the most commercials out, then that, you know, that works. Yeah, it does. It does work. Yeah. Do you guys in your countries have like the whole cult of personality, like characters that come up through adverts? Like, in the UK is a big one that compare the meerkat and there are these like fully animated CG Tuki channel the CG like adverts for this like insurance

comparison website and it like caught off into this whole thing so you can buy like plushies of this fucking meerkat no no by some like British celebrity yeah and it's like the Halifax Bank guy that's like a whole thing in the UK like people know because of the

I kind of like that though can't raise me of the serial mascots I mean I'm sure you could buy like a plushy of the Guyco gecko or something. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Or the cavemen.

Yeah. They gave him a show. Did you know? Yes, they did. Yeah. And they fucked it up somehow. Oh, well, it's not a great concept for show. Yeah.

It was just weird because the actor that most people responded to, the guy who just like, he just looked like a Neanderthal. He just did it perfectly. They had him as a side character. So it was weird. And the writing was not. that great, yeah. Sergeant Shield has our next one. Where is the perfect place to sit in a theater?

Do you go near the front or back? The middle. Who actually, why do they even have the front rows? Like, I know there's obviously got to be a front. It's way too close. Who actually, is that anyone's favorite seat? No. It's no one's favorite seat, but if you, the theater is sold out and they're, you know,

it's the only place left. Right, that's what those are for. Then you can show up and you can judge whether or not you want to watch the whole movie like that or if it's worth it too. That was actually my... That's what it's for. It's for people who like get their tickets last minute. Can't find a seat.

Yeah. Well, there was only one screening for everything everywhere all at once. It was like a special like press screening sort of thing that they sold a couple of tickets to the public for. And that's all I could get for my first showing. And so it was really like I had, you know, for the subtitles, I had to be like, like move my head a little bit. It was still like a great amazing theater.

I still experienced the movie. Sure. It's harder to sit there. I saw Spider-Man kind of up close the first time I saw it. The Spider-Man No Way Home, because the tickets were kind of limited. But I still saw it. Like, I wasn't the first row. I was like kind of the third or fourth row kind of toward the right side.

So it wasn't like great. Yeah, but I wasn't like moving my head. Right. If you're like moving your head, like when I saw this Star Trek movie, the JJ Abram one, that was really bad. I saw it in IMAX like at the front row. I was like looking up like the whole movie. Like every time it would like cut between like, you know,

shot reverse shot. I had to like move my head like left right. Like it was really bad. Um, yeah. Yeah. I don't like sitting in the front row. I remember I saw Spy Kids 3D when I was really small in the front row. I wanted to vomit. I was so sick. Yeah. Oh, a 3D movie. Yeah. And it was the red and blue glasses. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, surely 3D just like doesn't even really work in the front rows. Oh, the red and blue glasses that were like plastic. They actually gave you headaches. Like, I just

Yikes. Yeah. 3D is better now. Yeah. What was the last 3D movie you saw? I can't even think. Oh boy. Yeah, there's so many 3D movies that come out where I just, I intentionally get the 2D showing now. Yeah, me too.

Yeah. I'm so done with it. The only, the last time I watched a 3D movie must have been like when I was forced to when it was like the only showings. Mm-hmm. Which so sometime in like 2010 or something. Yeah, like around then, like when Avatar came out. That's when it became big.

It was kind of hard to get. like a 2D showing for a while because they were just showing everything in 3D because they wanted to make more money. Even if it looked like shit. Yeah. Like Thor looked terrible in 3D. I saw it in 3D. That was the last one I saw.

It's way too dark. It's like terrible. Yeah. Like life of pie looks good. I would say sit in the middle toward the back for a movie. Yeah. Unless you're late. Then take what you do that.

I'm like middle but like closer to the front than the back, but not so far front. I like a good cover most of my peripherals sort of thing. Yeah. When I saw a man or everything all at once, I was right in the middle toward the back, like perfect seating. Like, that's the way to watch it. It's like, great. Everything's in your field of vision.

Yeah. I feel like the back of the theater is where more people go where they want to, like, talk. You know? I feel like, I feel like there's. Yeah. Yeah. There's people that, like, hide in the back because they're, like, talk with someone. When I see like when I saw Jigsaw, I sat in the back because I was like laughing at it.

But yeah, you're right. That's why I try to sit more toward the middle. In the middle, like everyone's like respectful because they're like the most because they're actually the good seats. It's like the bourgeoisie seats right there, the upper class. And then people talk in the back and then people in the front are late or whatever. It was awesome when I went to see Mobius because I could try out all the seats because it was just completely empty. Oh, shit. You got morbed?

It's morbid time I got morbid time Yeah man I wasn't even into those memes And now I just can't stop That was like my whole stream yesterday It's morbent time It's morbent time It's morbent time

Yeah It just catches on eventually It's infectious Jesus I can hear Jared Leto say it too I'm imagining it perfectly It's morbid time Yeah. I've got a question for for Raven. What's your favorite movie?

Oh, that's hard. Do you have a handful? I have like a tear list. Sure. Yeah. Like the Big Lebowski. I really love Robocop actually. That's like I think that's number one because it has something for everybody. So if you're just into action movies and you like want to kill like an hour and a half, just watch Robocop. But there's also like a deeper context to it where it talks about gentrification and, you know, just a slew of issues. I just think it's a really smart and funny film. And then there's the Dark Crystal or This Is England and The Nightmare Before Christmas. I have like a list of ones that people have to see when I meet them. Yeah. Alex loves a lot of those movies that you just mentioned.

Yeah, yeah. You're in good company here. I got to recommend the Big Lebowski school. Yeah. Let's go opinion on this one from Big C. Baller. Do you think Disney is ever going to make 2D movies anymore? Or do you think they'll only make them again? if they see other studios making successful 2D movies.

I watched some of that Chip and Dale thing. Oh, yeah, what'd you think of that? Not very good. Cancer. Yeah, it's very irritating to me how it's kind of presenting itself as a spiritual successor to Roger Rabbit in a way. Yeah. Except it's more kind of embracing this weird,

I've forgotten the name of the kind of art style. Cell Shaded. It's still CG. Cell Shaded, that's the one. Cell Shaded 3. Yeah, where one of them's like a horrifying CG monster and the other ones, the cell shaded thing. Yeah, and I think of them look good.

The implication is that it's supposed to be like 2D animation. Yeah, they're just lying about what they're doing. It's kind of funny. Yeah. Even though there is some 2D animation in the movie. I kind of wanted to see it only after I saw Ugly Sonic. That was the only selling point for me. Oh, man.

Yeah. It's really the only notable. thing in the movie. What's selling me on it is the director. Yeah, it was the post guy, right? The Loney-A-Doh. Yeah, the director of the watch. Oh, no.

Well, Alex and I have seen it if you want to watch it before next episode, we can have a discussion on it. The Chippendale thing? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'll watch that. Okay, that's actually interesting. Yeah, I'll, yeah, I'll check it out. Sure. Yeah. I love Roger Rabbit. Yeah, that's probably one of my favorites. Yeah, that's how you do it.

But good luck. if we want to go back to the question and the prospect of Disney making 2D movies. Yeah, not real 2D. It's not hopeful to me. It's like there... Unless there's some kind of branch on Disney Plus they could like...

Because this is the part of the problem is like this was a straight to Disney Plus thing where they had... Clearly they were keeping budget in mind and they weren't really giving it. They're all their best efforts with the cell shaded 3D. And, you know, even the ones that were 2D

when you see like flounder, it's like, okay, there's a gigantic drop-off in quality. from The Little Mermaid to what you're showing and you're pretending it's the same and it's not. Yeah. And so it's like, yeah, digital 2D. It is the same. Yeah, and I would love to see, you know, whether it's hand-drawn or digital,

just something that feels like traditional 2D animation, you know, where there aren't these weird, like, computer imagining the frames in between sort of things. Like, I would love to, you know, like Cuphead is, looks fucking amazing. That's, you know, those are, that's a hand-drawn, thing where I'm assuming they do it

into a like a tablet and not a piece of paper so like I don't know is that digital like it's the same process as traditional either way yeah so you can time and money yeah you can still make things that look fantastic you just have to

actually put your heart in effort or at least commitment financially or otherwise into it it's just Disney's not doing that they're going to pretend to I feel like they're going to make a hey this is 2D again and they're going to pull a princess in the frog or something you know i i almost wonder if they might lean back into it when enchanted two comes out because there were some

two d scenes in there it wasn't that much but yeah well as a businessman let me let me let me try to think of what disney would do yeah i don't think they want to make 2d again like ever they'll do something it's ever gonna it might be a while because i mean they like they love a couple movies, but it won't be like, they used to make, they used to make 2D nonstop. Yeah, well, now 2D is nostalgic. It'll never be like that again. So that for nostalgic, they have to.

Yeah, I think, you know, is it nostalgic there? I'm almost surprised there hasn't been another studio that just like makes 2D films. It kind of capitalizes off that niche. They are in Ireland. I feel like there is a market. Yeah, well, I mean, in America or anywhere here, like there should be a market, or I feel like there is a market for like these two-in animated movies. And France, actually, there's a good amount of 2D coming from France.

Disney's not going to give them a cost issue? Because hasn't 2D animation got to a point where it's not as expensive as it used to be? No, it's not expensive to do either. That's why I'm wondering why another studio, like an indie studio, kind of like 824. It depends on how you do it. Like 824 should do 2D animated stuff. A24 is doing the Hasbin Hotel thing right now. I guess they're technically.

Oh, really? I didn't know about that. Yeah, they picked it up. They're going to be doing like a television series. It's a show. Yeah. Has been hotel. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's news from like a year ago.

So I'd be interested to see how that works out. But yeah, that's 2D, A24. I didn't know A24 did. I'm like show type stuff from a being in. 824 is Euphoria right now. That's a show. Oh, that's not. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Yeah. But 2D is always relegated to like TV now or like series. Like Invincible or whatever. Yeah. Like it's not movies so much now. That show messed up. Yeah, I want to see a good feature film. Yeah, I want to just like a feature film.

I mean, like, they exist just not in America. Like, Wolfwalkers came out recently. It's just not in America. Like, Japan hasn't stopped. Like, their highest grossing film ever is like Demon Slayer right now. True, true. Yeah, it's just West, just America, really. Yeah, it's just different.

Yeah. Different audience, yeah. Disney has decided that it's not good. Well, is Disney going to top, like, the Little Mermaid? I feel like they could. Maybe they don't want to at this point. They would rather invest in making... The money is.

And the money is and just big CGD animated. Right. Exactly. We'll just get this current trend out of their system. Give it another 5, 10 years. I'm sure they'll find another trend. That's even bigger. And then, yeah.

Which none of those are... I just want to see something that looks like treasure planet. Yeah. But with a good story. Yeah. Just a nice animation. Just nice 2D. Yeah.

There's so much artistry in it. They always take the wrong thing away from their favors. Yeah. It's so annoying. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, there's certainly artistry in 3D animation as well, but, like, there's some, I just, I wish I could see more of 2D. There's something special about it.

There's something. Yeah, absolutely. There's something that just. There's a market for it, for sure, and there should be more. Like, there should be just studios making 2D, like, all the time in America. I don't know why there are it. Like, I feel like it's very few. I know Lika, I don't think that, I don't even know if that's America.

They do stop motion. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you go a couple of stop motion studios, Ardman as well. Yeah, you have stop motion studios, yeah, Ardman, but there's no one too. That makes me sad. Because I like watching a lot of, um, uh, what's his name? He did the Dark Crystal and Sesame Street, the puppeteer. Henson?

Yes. A lot of Jim Henson shows, like they're, I think, I think they have like their own unique quality to it, but they don't last because apparently it's really expensive. Yeah. Yeah, that was the curse of that last Dark Crystal show. It was obviously really expensive. Yeah. Season 2 was canceled.

Big oops. Yeah, I'm very upset. When you have to do those things in real life, it's so expensive. Like the sets and the costumes, you need a space to rent. Like you need a warehouse, right? Like all this fucking shit lighting. 2D, I think it's just much easier to kind of. tell a story like that over like a series because you don't need to like keep sets around or

whatever props or whatever you just draw whatever you got to pay the animators you know which they don't even do that in Hollywood but they really don't no yeah just outsource I think that's actually part of the reason of I that I could be wrong but I'm now remembering like a weird factoid that I hope isn't some misinformation but I think part of the reason why they switched to like 3D animators is because they, like, weren't unionized. Like, I think 2D animators were, like, a part of a union and 3D wasn't or something, because it was considered, like, a part of, like, a special effects company. Like, I don't know.

That could be completely false. Don't quote me as the source for that. I'm not going to look into it. Do your own research. Let me know in the comments section. Thank you. I'm not going on a deep dive right now. Infinite Stripes Forever has one for us, which kind of feeds in something we're talking about earlier.

Where do you draw the line with product? placement, how much is too much? And what is wrong with too much? If you lived in Los Angeles and two superheroes came down and thought, it would look like Man of Steel, with 7-Elevens and I-Hops everywhere. Maybe the framing of the product placement was forced, but realistically, there would be a recognizable brand on every corner? Would you prefer only fake products for films or just set amount that works with the plot? I kind of feel like my opinion on it has changed a little bit. Um, because I never really noticed product placement before in movies unless it was really, really obvious

or some kind of joke or something. But I think what made me change my mind was the whole. Yeah, that's a great example. What actually shifted it was making YouTube videos. I'm sure you guys know. That'll do it. It's kind of necessary. Well, it is necessary, actually, not kind of.

And then when I think about actual television commercials, we would sit through like five commercials when watching a 20 minute TV show. And we didn't really complain that much. So when I think about YouTube, it's essentially the same thing because YouTube is a business now, right? So I don't think I'm as strict about it anymore. I don't judge people too hard that do it. I just don't do it myself for like if I like ads before a video, if people want to pay to not have the ads or like ad block or whatever. it's like okay fine people can support me on patreon that's like a good way to um you know just be be able to uh make a living off of it without you know if people want to have ad blocks straight to the horse's mouth is it well yeah yeah yeah to the horse's mouth um and uh yeah i in films i like what quentin tarentino does he has his own like universe of like uh yeah big de Hoona burger yeah yeah i like that

his own stuff um yeah and uh yeah david fincher i know he does it all the time and i'm yeah his makes more sense it's like a fridge like when you open a fridge you're gonna see like a coke yeah i don't like the question it doesn't feel gratuitous like world war z

yeah sure that yeah that scene you you you edit it like a Coca-Cola commercial and it's like yeah i could edit this that's how like gratuit it's what it was i don't i don't like the film for Pepsi. I mean, I don't like this question, how it's framing Man of Steel. Like, it's like a good movie or something. Like, I don't know if that was their intention or whatever. Like, the scene, like, okay, like Superman walks by an IHop or something or like he's fighting

and there's an IHop in the background. Okay, but there's like, they go in the IHop and like the kid who bullied him in school from like the flashback part of the movie was like working at the IHop. Like, it's like fucking ridiculous in Man of Steel. Yeah, how much are you going to grind your movie to a whole to wedge this? stuff in like yeah like that ghost busters movie that came out recently with walmart yeah it's just like yeah with the walmart right it's too much that's like you don't have to go in the walmart and fucking hang out and like we're like at the pop-byes and

supergirl that was funny yeah let's all go to yeah i just as like as long as it doesn't feel like gratuitous um there's ways in which it can be done and like there's some films where i don't know if it was a product placement or not like Like, they go into a McDonald's in the Safty Brothers film, Heaven Knows What? But I'm like, they're all junkies. I don't think McDonald's. This seems more incidental, you know? I like that, but it's like, I don't even think that was a product placement.

It depends on how it's handled. It really, yeah. I believe a defender of product placements, J.J. Abrams, I believe he's like a big, like, defender. Like it makes audiences kind of like connect with the world kind of yeah and I think his movies have that And you know I'm not completely opposed to it I don't think I'd lower my rating significantly for like a product placement That's what I mean if it's like it's like unless it's like really yeah anyway would if it was something super egregious yeah Like when they have like resorts and adam sandler movies and like uh poor blah blah mohawk too and stuff with goes like a casino it's like comes to the casino everybody's an advert for casino right Michael Bay films never seem like subtle about it.

There was a, in his film, The Island, they're all like, futuristicly, like, doing this, like, fighting thing. And there's this gigantic banners for, like, original Xbox in the background. I was like, this is the future. I was like original Xbox. That's not going about that. That's funny. That was funny. Yeah.

A clone movie. It doesn't even make sense. Yeah, Michael Bay is a pretty bad, uh... Yeah, he's pretty bad with the product place. these movies have a lot the Transformers movies are just car ads basically but even though we have tons of product placement in them

just like a ridiculous amount like a Bud Light I think one scene they like crash into a Bud Light truck that's right and Transformers 4 Oh no my light Yeah and there's like a close up Yeah he drink Mark Wahlberg drinks one of them

And there's like a close up of the Bud Light with like flames around it looks really cool Cause yeah it's like Mmm delicious because Michael Bay comes from that background of directing commercials so that's how all of his movies look they look like fucking car commercials yeah true so they really do oh my god yeah that's why he's perfect for transformers yeah i guess so yeah true okay let's end on this one from invader zo and close the loop if there was a specific life choice you made in the past that caused a branch version of yourself

a la multiverse what do you think was the thing that would cause you to be the most varied version of yourself. Thanks. What? How do you become the most varied version? I don't understand that question at all. Yeah, weird phrasing. I guess they mean. I guess they mean. So like there's one decision that has... I was born in a slump. Like I was born as a lizard,

which is I think one of the that was like one of the things in the movie, I think, everything all at once. She's like one of the flash frames. Like she's a lizard person. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Yeah. Do they mean like what's one thing that you've done in your life that

would have caused a bunch of multiple outcomes? Is that what they're asking? Yeah, like a specific point in time. I'll give it my example. Something that has been on my mind, and I think about, I ponder about sometimes. Because when I was three years old,

my family left New Zealand and moved to the UK. So sometimes I imagine what the version of me that stayed there would be like and what would be different about me and that kind of side of it. I feel like that's like an obvious point of like, the timeline, splitting, the universe is splitting in somewhere.

There's, there's, like, a billion. There's like a billion for me. And, like, there, I mean, like, there's no, I don't, I, there's so many. There's so many. I can't. Okay. Fries it this way, then. If you got the technology from everything everywhere all at once, what would you try and

imagine, just to see out of pure curiosity, what would be the way you jump to? No, that's cool. if the girl that left her crystal meth pipe at my house told me what the drug was after I wanted more I'd probably be homeless on the street What the fuck?

I was that was Yeah I don't know Damn, mine is just If I wasn't homeschooled Like mine is Yeah there's a lot I was homeschooled from

From kindergarten to Or from the first grade to the sixth grade. So that was a good chunk of time where I was just very rod and Todd from the Simpsons. So I think I would have been a completely different person. Yeah, I mean like there's more things that affect your life than you even know about. Like all of this

the chemical makeup of your brain is you know that that's like something from birth and you know nature and nurture play a role like what would What would it happen if I didn't see the Lion King when I was a little boy? Oh my God. My life would have been very different. That's true. Yeah.

How many of you cried when you watched the Lion King? I did. I watched it a couple years ago, so no. Yeah, Ralph thought for the first time recently. Yeah, you know, like there's the stampede scene, the way that that, like, musically, I just, like, I tear up still. Even just, like, listening to the soundtrack. I think it's like one of the best Me too.

Majestic. Yeah. Yeah. It's an incredible piece of music. Yeah. Hans Zimmer. Did you see the Broadway show ever? Any of you? I'm not a...

Yeah, I've seen bits of it. I'm not a big fan of it. I prefer the 2D. It's like not the same characters that I love, you know? I'm like, this is just a version of it. It's not as good. Yeah. It's where that they're animals, yeah.

It's a bit longer and has more songs, doesn't it? I think so, yeah. Yeah, the movie version's definitely. tightly tighter, probably better. But yeah, appreciate both. Let's do this one from Professor Trialabite. What are some examples of genuinely good films or media that you think have had negative effects on whatever genre or the medium they're in?

While I personally love the Jurassic Park series, I feel that the movies have had a negative effect on dinosaur films. With almost every movie afterwards trying to recapture its success, leading to countless cheap knockoffs, well, studios not willing to produce live action, serious dinosaur movies out of fear being compared to the series. Hmm.

That's a good question. You mentioned a Lego movie, but that would be my pick. Yeah. Good movie, awesome movie. The ripple effect that film has had. It's like so fast. Other movies.

Every movie tries to copy it. Free guy. It's just that same fucking format. Like he's a normal guy, but he feels too normal, but so he tries to stand out or whatever. Like the play of it. trying to it. Because blah, blah, blah, the Avengers.

That's influenced a lot of studios into making like Yeah, into these damn universe movies. We're starting the dark universe here. Like, okay. The only one that made sense is like DC, like Batman. Like, okay. Those are also superheroes.

We knew that was going to happen because there's always like two of everything, like these, you know, Coca Pepsi or whatever. So we have DC and Marvel. But yeah, like, we didn't need the Marvel. We didn't need the mummy universe or whatever the hell. Oh yeah. It wasn't at the fun of year.

Oh yeah. It was like Godzilla and stuff. Yeah. It's just about, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like Godzilla, they made some cinematic universe with like King Kong now. It's like, oh my God. Give me a break.

Like it doesn't work like in most cases. It just falls apart usually. Marvel has material and so does DC to its credit. Like they somehow made like something interesting out of suicide squad somehow like with this new movie that James Gunn directed. Yeah. With like, PolkaDop, man.

I'm like, how the fuck do you make a movie PolkaDop Man? Like, they somehow made it like a fun way. Yeah, exactly. No super hero character is irredeemable. You just have to tackle it in the right way.

If it's like, oh, this would be a joke, then sure, make it a joke. Make it a joke. Yeah, exactly. There's no point. I can't, I feel like at this point,

it's not, there's no character that's too goofy. Like, they're all goofy. Like, you can't say like, oh, this one's too over the top or too silly. they're all like fucking ridiculous right like even Captain America's silly all these even um even that's becoming like a trope within like the MCU it's like referencing how silly it is like the last like movie saying it's spider man he shoots webs out of his butt or something right

this is just dumb yeah if i could can't like not address it if i could pinpoint what film is responsible for like leading to the chippendale rescue rangers meta insistence of its self-aware without being self-aware if I could pinpoint what's responsible for that I would say that I don't know if it's just Birdman winning best picture

where it's like oh meta is like I don't know what happened you don't say Deadpool somewhat Deadpool maybe I don't know but like something happens where now it's like meta can excuse everything you can just be like this is a bad joke

and then people go woo yeah just acknowledge that you're right to I'm self-aware. Isn't that funny? This is a cash grab. Woo! I'm sorry.

Is it really that simple? I don't know. That movie annoyed the fuck out of me. I'll have a funny video on it soon. Yeah. It's usually good movies too that stuck these bad trends. That's the sad thing. Yeah, it's successful.

And then you replicate. Yeah. People try to copy it, right? Like, I'm sure everything all at once will spawn imitators trying to be you know crazy zany

absurd films about multiverses or whatever crazy editing those movies will be upnoxious yeah I do not want to see the attempt at that film made by someone like with cynical reasons yeah

right all right cool I guess that does it for questions um and we have Is it my turn or... It is your turn. It is Ralph's turn. It is my turn?

It is my turn? It is my turn? Yeah. Okay. I'll recommend a film. So I saw someone say we should do like a double feature because we haven't done that in a while. I'm like, yeah. I think that's a good idea if you guys aren't opposed to it.

Sure. I'm going to recommend Blade and Blade 2. Okay. But you can just watch Blade. You can watch Blade 2 if you want. You don't have to watch Blade. Cool. All right.

So, yeah, I'm going to watch both. And, you know, there's more Blade movies than that, but watch Blade, watch Blade. Okay. And if you have time, watch Blade. Guillermo del Toro? So the Guillermo, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I always forget he directed the second one.

Uh-huh, he directed the second one. I have not seen either, so this will be cool for me. Yeah. I'm sure you'll get a kick out of it. You know, this is a superhero movie, but it's like before. Yeah, before it was a thing. It's a very different era for, like, super hero. Yeah.

Very different time. I mean, it's rated R. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Leslie Snipes. Yeah. And Ron Perlman.

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