Sardonicast - Sardonicast 120: Prey, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

Episode Date: September 5, 2022

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Three, two, one. Is this the crusty crab? No, this is Patrick, baby boy. This is Sardonic Cass. Hello, everybody. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. That was a combination of two different things. And I'm never going to tell what they are.

You should know. I'm Ralph the movie maker. I'm nice for my G. I got to admit, I only caught half of it, obviously. If you're not going to tell me, it's even the point of lingering. Sorry, what of it? We just, it's the movie that we recommended for with the... This always happens.

It's from eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. And it's when, uh, I guess I won't say anything about the movie, but it's like, yeah, well, we'll talk about it when we get to the discussion. Yeah, remind me when we actually get to it. I don't know why, but that line just like has always stuck with me, just the way he says it. It's just so bizarre. and perfect that I it just it's always in my head so whatever I hear the name Patrick it's kind of like Patrick baby yeah yeah it's coming back to me now okay

yeah anyway okay thoughts and prayers for your brain getting better speaking of prayers we saw pray which is a movie different kind of prey it's a movie that Predator sequel. Prequel. That's right. I guess it is a prequel, huh? It's a prequel. There's so many Predator movies and I get the whole timeline a little bit confused at this point.

Yeah. Like five of them? Four of them? Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah. Six of them. I've seen most of them. I haven't seen Predator 2.

Yeah, I've seen all of them, I think. Oh, yeah? I hear Predator 2 is good. I've seen every Miramax film. And those are all Predator movies. Oh. It's a Weinstein joke. All right.

So, Oh. This is a film that I didn't know much about. I didn't know it was a Predator movie until like way into the news cycle. It was like almost released, basically. But before that point, there was a lot of viral marketing for it. And it seemed like every week there was some article at the top of Reddit being like, Prey has, is the first movie ever to have a Comanche dub.

And people were just like, hyping this thing up for a while before it's released. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah. Was it? I watched it that way. Oh, did you? The second time.

The second time. Yeah. The second time. The first time I watched it English. So is it just dubbed or is actually like each shot was filmed twice? Okay. It's a dub because they're fucking cowards. And if you listen to one of the producers, she's in an interview, in an interview saying that they were

originally pitching the movie as, as a film filmed in Comanche. as if like that was the original idea, but then a studio merger, she says, sideline the idea. I wonder what merger they possibly could be talking about this,

this 20th century Hulu production that's on Disney Plus right now. Fucking Christ. That's so annoying. Disney. No balls. You fucking cowards. That would have been perfect.

That would have been cool, but, uh, I don't know. I don't, I don't know. You're going to release a whole movie. It would make the whole movie better.

What are you talking about? It would have been cool. But it didn't like ruin the whole thing for me. No, it didn't ruin it. It didn't ruin it. Yeah, it doesn't ruin it, but it would have made it better, right? I don't know. Yeah, I think it would have been better, but I mean.

I don't know. Because like, there's only so much you can do with like, there's a lot of movies that exist out there where they're speaking English in the characters are obviously in a, you know, we're pretending that they're. they're not. So like the pianist. Right. There's a ton of movies. She has Schindler's list. And they're all speaking kind of with like Polish accents or whatever. Chernobyl. But those particular films have so much more going for them in terms of like authenticity that it only takes me like, I don't know, five, ten minutes of being kind of annoyed and then I'm

into it. Whereas this film, I'm kind of annoyed throughout the entire movie because they look like actors the entire time. They look like actors. They act like actors. They're acting's bad. I don't know. I was really annoyed. That's fine. I was really annoyed, yeah. So, yeah, I felt that way for, like, yeah, the first 10 minutes, 15 minutes. And I was just fine with it, to be honest. Yeah, especially, it's not really dialogue heavy or dialogue driven.

It's supposed to like action and, like, running around. Yeah, like, it's a predator movie. Like, they're pretty silly. They're pretty silly movies, you know. They have a certain tone to them. Dialogues a good, at least half of the movie. It's the best predator movie. in fucking forever.

Probably since the original one. Yeah. I understand. People are excited. Like those Alien versus Predator movies, have you seen those? Yeah. I've seen them all. Those are the, like,

I don't know how you managed to make like the worst, it's the worst alien movie and the worst Predator movie. It's the worst of both franchises. That's like, that's really a feat. AVP Requiem. Requiem is fucking, like, awful.

I looked at my rating. It was a one out of ten. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Alien versus Predator is. bad, but Requium is just like absolutely, like, that's probably one of the worst movies I've ever seen, like, bottom 50, like, around there. Oh, it's so bad.

Holy shit. It's so bad. Yeah, it's awful. You think I'd love it because they, like, kill children in it, but... No. Yeah, they kill, like, the girlfriend character, whatever. I didn't even like it, like, when I was younger. I'm like, this is just, like, lame.

Yeah. And, like, I remember the director's saying, like, what's scary are an alien in space or an alien in your backyard? I'm like an alien in space because when you're in space, yeah, there's the isolation element. Like you can't just like call 911 or whatever. Like it was so bad that movie. This was much better.

The kind of like the predator actually has like a huge advantage over like the Comanchee and this and that was interesting. Like the whole Comanche thing was interesting and I like the casting decision. to like cast all Native Americans. I thought that was a cool decision. Yeah, it is a cool, like, angle. It is, it is cool as a, like, how the movie was made sort of thing. But in terms of, like, how it translates on screen, it doesn't make a difference to me

when the actors are kind of bad. Yeah. I mean, the line delivery on so many lines was just, like, poor writing, poor delivery. It was so bad. I'll have a video coming out about this in, like, a week or two. I'll show some examples. But, like, holy crap. There's so much, like, cringe.

eye rolling line delivery in this movie. I'm like, fuck, if it was like great actors, then I would be able to appreciate that casting. It's like a smaller talent pool you're working with. They're only like Native Americans in it so that you have to like cast a certain group of people. They might not be as good as like professionally trained actors in Hollywood. Yeah, but then you get the right director and they take non-actors and just, you know, they just know how to work with them. Right. Yeah. You know, you never know. Grand Torino kind of the same problem, the Klinniuswood movie, because they cast for a very specific country. Yeah, yeah.

I didn't really bother me. I thought the acting was fine. My only issue with it really was the effects, the V-E effects at points. That was like my only, that was my only issue. Some of the animals looked better than the other. The bear, not so much. Yeah. I thought the predator looked good.

The predator looked awesome. That's like probably my favorite predator design out of all the movies. Yeah. That bone mask and like, yeah. It looked so cool. Yeah, still using like the practical, like, mandibles and stuff. That's what it looked like anyway. So primal.

It was like a nice, healthy balance between CG and practical. Yeah. I like that it's invisible most of the time, too. It makes it like scarier. Like, they've really built up to it. Like, a lot of those predator movies, they just show it too much to where it's like, you know, it's basically just porn for people who like the predator. Like, oh, look, it's the predator.

Like, you know, it's not. It ruins it. It makes it not cool. And you're just like, you're trying to notice through the effects or whatever. And yeah, it was, it was cool, like the way they did it. It's like a lot of smart choices. Yeah, for this kind of movie, for an action movie. It's not like, I don't think it'll get any Oscars or whatever.

But that that's the end all, be all. But like, I don't, you know, for what it is, I think it's really well done. Some of the best, like, action you've seen. Yeah. I started enjoying it way more. Whereas it like ramped up and started just showing the predator more in terms of like all these gizmos and gadgets and just like laughing with the movie and just kind of like how funny it is the way he takes out like all the French dudes and various ways of just brutalizing things. Because it is just kind of like funny and over the top and silly to me in an like entertaining kind of way. Depending on the point.

Like there's certain points in the movie where it's like clearly like, oh, it's taking them. long to reload. Like, that's obviously a joke. But for the most part, the film, like, yeah, like that. The soundtrack is enforcing a very serious tone throughout the movie. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's trying to go for the, the same kind of tone as that original movie, which also has the kind of campy element to, like, you know, Arnie and the, the military side of it and the, that kind of inherent... You pushing too many pencils. Yeah, yeah. It also reminded me of, like, the Revenant to...

like kind of the Revenant vibe with the setting anyway. I think it thought it was the revenue. Just like the intensity. It's like the Revenant mixed with the Predator. Yeah. It's like finding that balance. They were both filmed in Alberta. I think maybe the Revenant ditched Alberta because of the Chinook, but the Revenant was at least partially filmed in Alberta, if not was supposed to be.

And then they goofed up. But you could really tell what the skies in this movie. The Chinook? A Chinook is a... northern phenomenon where there's a very warm breeze coming in, I think, through the mountains from like a coast that can, it's like a really warm air that can make it like, uh-oh, this is like an unusually warm winter, but it's actually a Chinook. And so when they were filming the Revenant, Leo DiCaprio did a thing where he was like, we were supposed to film in Alberta where there's

snow, but then global warming destroyed it and people called them out. It's like, this isn't global warming, this is a Chinook. Global warming's real, don't get me wrong, but it was one of those like, uh-oh, you, yeah, sure. You didn't research. Climate change. Yeah, Leo's a big climate change guy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I never knew that. It's just a foreign name, Chinook. Yeah, I think it's a native origin name. So, oh, okay. I think. Interesting. But yeah, you could really tell by the skies in prey. I think it's an Alberta sky, which is funny, because we just watched Brokeback. which had the same thing, like lots of, like lots of clouds in this guy. You could tell it's like the same.

Yeah, yeah. I really like those like just like scenic shots in the film. It was just like the landscape. I thought those all look great. Yeah, nice locations. Yeah, added to like the atmosphere of it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there are certain shots that look really great.

Mm-hmm. And then there's certain sequences that are just like really poorly filmed and edited. There's like, When they have a little scuffle, when they're like, you, you tie a rope to your hatchet, and they try to make fun of her for it, and then they start fighting each other. There's like, I shit you not. There's like 25 cuts in like 10 seconds. It's atrocious.

It's like, how did you just let the action play. There's a lot in this movie where it's clear, like, depending on who's in the action scene, depending on who's in the sequence, they'll just add more cuts because apparently they couldn't possibly film it in a way where it looks. convincing. It was just, some of the action looked great. Yeah. Like when it was the predator versus like the French guys, there were like some, you know, a couple long shots and some some cool stuff going on. But yeah, that was really my favorite sequences in the movie. Yeah. Mm-hmm. The whole setting. Yeah. I don't know. That didn't really bother me.

Maybe it's because it's like free on Hulu. Like I was just watching on my TV. Yeah. Yeah. That explains a lot actually. I think that's, that's a low expectation. I think that helps by that implication it's just like you know I'm not like spending any money or like I'm spending for a hulu subscription but that's not that much it was just like a piece of content on there I'm like oh wow it's actually really good I wasn't I literally wasn't on my radar at all you've helped me understand the for the perception of this movie right now sure well I like a lot about it too I'm not just like I know I know like I really like I like the pacing of it like I said in my review like it really flew by for me once it was over I was like holy shit it's over

that was really great like just how it is brisk fast it went yeah really brisk pacing yeah and yeah it has those good parts in it too it's just like I wish I knew the budget of it because I was trying to look that up

maybe it's up now but I was trying to find that budget yeah I was just trying to find it I can't see it I think I feel like it would be it would be very low it would definitely be lower than something like the Revenant

so I'm not really like comparing it in terms of like a lot of the like I think for like probably a low budget if you go for bear versus bear bear Yeah, well, the bear scene is probably better in that.

Was it going to be like a 20th... Century Studios? 20th Century Studios, like theatrical release? Was that like the plan? And then the merger happened and then they were like, oh, we'll put it on Disney Plus then. Yeah, that's a weird way. I was trying to figure that out. Because I think it was already...

I'm not sure if it was already pitched to 20th century and Hulu, or if it was supposed to be just 20th century. Yeah, if it was released. in theaters, I might feel differently about it if I had to like pay for it in theaters. Well, apparently the concept of like this pitch was not only should the entire film be in Comanche, but I think from the director, if not from at least the producers, originally they wanted to market the entire film without revealing that it was a predator movie and have it be a surprise to whoever watched it like first. Oh, wow.

Like that was supposed to be the original plan. and then I guess the studio just fucked it up and we're like, eh, well, they pulled a Sony. Like, that would have been cool. Yeah. Marketing is very tricky. Yeah. Like, you want the movie to make money.

You want people to watch it. Yeah, but could you imagine the viral marketing from that? Well, I don't know. You know. How'd you get people to see it in the first place, though? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Remember fucking Cloverfield? Like, Cloverfield had insane viral marketing because of the fact that they held back what was in the film and they didn't show. Yeah, that's not a franchise though. They didn't even have the movie title. No, yeah, but that's cool. Could you imagine?

Like, we haven't had a Predator movie since AVP Requiem. Yeah, it's cool, but I don't know if it always works. I mean, it's on fucking Hulu anyway. It's like people are just torrenting this movie. Yeah, it's like with the Blade Runner movie. Like, you know, I get, I get why you wouldn't want them to show Harrison Ford, but Harrison Ford's a huge name. And like, the same with this, like, the predator,

the Predator is basically the only marketable element about this movie. But then there's more buzz when the movie's out. Delayed gratification. Well, then no one would have seen it. Even less people would have seen it. Like, you're releasing a movie where you don't tell anyone that the Predators in it. That would be like the biggest news ever. Beyonce has released some of her most successful albums by just fucking dropping it and not telling anybody about it beforehand.

Because it becomes part of the news cycle of like, Beyonce just released a, fucking album like holy shit nobody knew that was coming that's a part of the story right if you can make viral marketing like that it's at least worth a risk for something that you're dropping on hulu right yeah if you're not even like releasing in theaters like that makes me think it wasn't it wasn't always the plan i think the director said it was uh he wanted it to go to the theater he's okay with it going out this way yeah not like maybe if they that would have been cool in comanche if they just yeah if it was going to go on hulu anyway i would have liked the movie more if they actually filmed it in Comanche.

Show some fucking balls. You know, like, the dub exists. That's fine, but you don't deserve all the praise of, like, the progressiveness from the marketing from the dub when you literally just, like, axed the original vision, which was supposed to be, like, a Comanche film. Like, great, the dub exists. Dubs exist in many languages, you know? Like, you're pretending as if it's, like, yeah, it is the first time it's been dubbed

for Comanche. I understand, like, the cultural significance. for that, but it should have been filmed that way. Like, you can't, you can't pretend like, oh, yeah, we're so progressive, even though you, like, axed it from happening. It's just so annoying to me. Like, fuck. All right.

Like, dubs, I can't get into them because it doesn't sync with their lips, you know? It's distracting to me. Yeah, it would have been neat if they'd, like, done two tags of each shot, yeah, each language or something, if they absolutely had to. In the same way that like some people just can't watch movies with subtitles because it's distracting Like that's me with dubs like I can't I'm looking at their mouths It's the best predator movie in a while even though

Going back on my rating for the previous one. What was it called the predator? Oh the Shane Black one I've never seen that I completely forgot about that one. Yeah, there was that one too Yeah, most people did There was the aegean brodie one as well that was what the predators or something Yeah, that one, that one was horrendous. Yeah, that one I rewatched. That one was bad.

Yeah. That was so, like, the characters in that movie is so freaking annoying. Yeah. It's so for grace. My rating for The Predator 2018 is technically higher than this one, but I don't remember anything about it. So I can't really. It's like I didn't watch it.

The Predator was really awful. Oh, no. Yeah, the Predator. That's probably worse than this. I mean, I have even seen that movie. I cannot say. Just from word out of off. Oh, yeah.

No, it's definitely worse. It's so much worse. Yeah. That one is abysmal. I was like shocked by how fucking appalling it was. Well, to me, I watched that one at like TIF or whatever. It was just one of those like special screening things. And it was like in a theater filled with like diehard Predator fans and like the energy was like really high for some parts because, you know, they just got to see their favorite little action figure on the screen or whatever.

And that was a fun experience in of itself. I remember that. I don't remember anything from the movie, except that they said that autism was the next step in evolution. That's the only part of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds interesting. A little kid with autism thing.

Yeah, that was... That's weird. But if I can justify why the rating is higher than this newest film, Prey, even though I don't remember anything about the previous one. It's because in my memory, at least, it seemed as if the... that movie kind of thought it was a bit more of a joke than this movie does. And so I would like to, because Alex, you're saying that, you know, a lot of this film, Prey is, like, pretty campy, that you're kind of laughing with it. And although, yeah, it does have, like, an inherent campiness to some of the gore.

And there are, like, a couple jokes here. Like, I really didn't feel that watching Prey. I felt like the soundtrack is the most overwhelming enforcement of the tone. And throughout the entire film, it's super serious. And that's part of why I didn't enjoy it as much is because it felt like it was insisting this level of seriousness that it wasn't actually portraying. You know, it felt like kind of unaware in that sense. And I'm wondering if you have anything to say about that. I guess my thing is the outside of that first predator movie, I don't really get why he's such a, well, it's such a recurring, like, character that deserves.

this whole like franchise because like the whole hook of that first movie is he's like it's a mystery like what is taking out these like super buff silly army commando types yeah and they had to be creative because it was the 80s they had like lower budgets lower special effects yeah and had like the creepy elements of like yeah it's just a duna suit and they had to like be clever about it like using the creepy like voice stuff and showing the visor from his perspective with the heat vision and then taking the whole like on he's got to cover himself in mud and like not use the army tech to take down the futuristic alien, like that whole angle. And it's like a fun, self-contained story.

And then removing the, like, I just don't know what you really do with this thing outside of it. It's just kind of like a, it just boils down to it's just like a silly kind of monster movie. So then, like, having the, like the, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the same where he's taking out all the, the French soldiers or whatever. And it's just, like, like, getting as creative as possible with the, with the, with the gadgets, like, the net. that like cut people into pieces and decapitating people. That was fun. To me, it's just like a silly creature to me. Uh-huh.

I think they balanced the tone well. It's like somewhere in the middle, I'd say. Like, being campy and being serious. Like, it's like a fine line. They'd like manage to like stay on for most of the movie. Yeah. Except maybe the end. I guess I would need someone who genuinely finds the predator like really cool, you know?

Yeah. Like I don't really get, I don't really get it. I don't get anything about it. Yeah, like when he's like, he like, decks a bear that's like chasing after him stuff. And that's like kind of, that's kind of like funny to me. But I know they're like genuine predator fans would love that. Like him picking up a bear. Sure.

Yeah. And that kind of stuff. But yeah, I don't know, to be honest. Like, like it's kind of an excessive character at a certain point. Yeah. I never really felt as it. if I was laughing with the movie. Despite there being clear attempts at humor at points,

it felt very few and far between. It felt like the excessive gore parts was, you know, at servicing this idea of like looking really cool and being really epic while, you know, consistently, there is this tone, there is this danger of like the main characters. Like, oh, no, I'm in danger and I got to kill this thing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but, you know, like, it, yeah, the tone of the film didn't reflect, like, it felt like it took itself particularly seriously.

It felt like it took itself more seriously than, like, Alien versus Predator. Like, that felt much more campy than this, right? I don't know. Yeah, I guess it's that balance of, like, how much of it is intentional, how much is unintentional. it's difficult to know sometimes like you don't think some of the some of the excessive violence is just kind of like a a fun

like it's it's so over the top it's so like silly yeah yeah it's but I mean there's still there's still over the top excessive and silly violence in other films that take themselves seriously too

but you know they they earn it a bit more by having things like, I don't know, better acting. You know, I'm trying to think of a good example. Like, even in the Revenant, like, there's, like, crazy. Like, that bear thing, like, that's pretty fucking over the top and, like, brutal and excessive. But the way that it's played off, it's like, okay, well, this doesn't take away from the seriousness, even if that is the case, right?

Perhaps I'm a bit influenced by the marketing in, like, the Reddit post every week talking about how groundbreaking and unique this film is when like, yeah, and I don't know, even the reception of people talking about how it's like some crazy, groundbreaking, unique thing. And I watch it. I'm like, this is, this is just the same movie I've seen a billion times before, you know? Yeah, I didn't engage with any of that marketing, but I was hearing like good things about it. Like, she's like, oh, no one will believe that I'm a, that I can be a hunter.

I'm like, okay, well, she's going to, spoiler alert, you know, as soon as she says, oh, I'm going to be a hunter, nobody can believe me because I'm a girl. I'm like, she's going to come back with the head of the predator as a trophy. And then that exactly happened. You know, like, there's the dog, her dog friend runs away in the first, at the end of the first act, I wonder what's going to happen at the end. Oh, yeah, it comes back and saves her at the end. Like, doy, you know, like, everything played out in the exact same sequence that I imagined

from like the first part of the movie. I'm like, okay, this is kind of just pedestrian. It was unsurprising. It wasn't scary. It wasn't like, you know, it didn't do anything special for me. And so I'm just like looking at the reception and the marketing of like people treating this like it's the some crazy thing when in reality it's just like, okay, this is the best predator movie in a while probably. And it's a Hulu thing. So I guess people weren't expecting much.

So I don't know. Yeah, I'm probably not going to really think about this movie again. But I thought it was fun. I thought it was fine. I wasn't particularly bored. It kind of delivered the beats you'd want from like a contemporary predator movie, I guess. It didn't annoy me like the predator or predators with Aidian Brose. Is that what it was gone?

Yeah, Predator. Yeah. I can't keep it straight with all this to. Yeah. It seemed like it was made by someone who actually, like, cared about the original and wanted to kind of channel some of the same stuff. Yeah, and reinvented. Yeah, I'm with you with like the, uh, some of the acting isn't up to snuff.

I really wasn't into the first act particularly. I really have a thing about, like, excessive CG animals. I know, like, they kind of have to be there. But, yeah, I can forgive, like, a CG deer in three billboards or something. That's like, okay, whatever. You know, it's like one or two shots. But when it's, like, it's so crucial at a certain point, I just start thinking, man, I know they'd never do it. But it's just make it animated at a certain point.

It's so, like, silly, you know, like, just skinning all this stuff, like the CG snakes jumping around. Yeah, animate every character. Yeah. It would be better. It's the 80s conundrum. It's like, I feel like just the reuse of IPs at a certain point, like, some of these characters have, like, lost all of what made them special or they're panache to me anywhere because of just the excessive, like, is the Predator in Fortnite at this point?

Yeah, exactly. Probably will be at some point. Yeah. It's like what happened with the Zeno Morph from Alien, like, I remember how frightening that thing was to me when I was a kid, but then just like, over the years and, like, Alien versus Predator and all these stupid video games. video games. Yeah, well, there's marketing stuff.

And then porn. Yeah. Terminators in call of duty now. Right. It's just like, yeah, they just throw those shit in. Yeah. So, like, yeah, that's where I'm kind of stuck from, like, yeah, I guess it's, it's pretty good for like a predator movie in 2022. Yeah.

It didn't really annoy me. It was just fine. I agree. It's pretty good for a predator movie in 2022. I'm not. I will never. agree with that. And I'm saying that song, I haven't seen the original for a while, but I was really fond of that movie when I was young. Yeah, it's great. It's the only movie with

predators in it that I remember liking at all. You know, every other one I'm like, that original is classic, yeah. Yeah, like, which other predator movie is even, like, debatably good. Yeah, it had that soundtrack. It had, like, all that kind of really, the predator vision. Yeah, the predatory implied violence. Yeah, the predatory vision, like, skinning people. Yeah, the best fucking high five handshake on the planet. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah. It was good. Yeah.

Yeah. To, I guess just to finish off this, my, my, uh, issue with the tone is like, in my mind, I'm thinking if this was, I could deal with the inauthenticity of these characters, because I never felt like they were characters. It always felt like actors. She looked like fresh out of makeup, like plucked eyebrows, perfect teeth. Like, it's like, okay, I don't believe you, like, live outdoors. You look like an actor trying to act. Like, every reaction she had was, like, half of the performance was her, like,

trying to look good, have a good looking face at the same time as reacting, and it was just, like, irritating. I could deal with that in a film that was, like, a satire. If this were, like, a satire on horror films, if this was, like, tongue and cheek, like, okay, you're letting me know as a film that you're, you're letting me know as a film that, you're like making fun of yourself at the same time for this, that I could deal with that. But like this, the shitty acting, the shitty line delivery and just like, yeah, some sequences where they cut like 20 times in 10 seconds, I'm like, I can't deal with that in the movie where like

the tone is constantly reinforcing this like, oh, it's actually serious and you're supposed to care about this character and whether or not she can prove herself by the end of the movie and whether or not she survives. Like, do I care that her brother died? No. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, it's just none of the characters are interesting. And it's just, ugh, I couldn't.

And I felt like I've seen the same movie a billion times. So, yeah, that's all my criticisms, I guess. I'll stop about this because I've already made 8,000 people unsubscribe by this point, obviously. All right, ratings. Yeah, I'm kind of just right down the middle. This is like a three star for me. I don't quite love it like everyone else seems to, but I was fine with it. It kind of flew by.

but I'm just, yeah, I'm just hung up on like what to do with the predator and if it really, if it really needs that much expansion, I just don't find it that interesting outside of that original movie. Like, I feel like I've got my fill. Mm-hmm. Well, I'll go. I really enjoyed it. I gave it an eight.

Mm-hmm. It's a good action movie. Did you want to say more about it? Because you didn't say too much. Like, I didn't want to like. I made my review already. It's like everything I needed to say. I gave it an eight.

It's, it's, it's, yeah. I really enjoyed it. I think the Predator fans would like it, but I don't even think it relies on being a Predator movie. Like, even if you haven't seen any of those, I feel like you'd enjoy it. I don't just view it solely as like a Predator movie. It's a good action film, too. I think it would probably work just as well if this was the first Predator movie. For the people that enjoy it, it's like, yeah. It looks cool and yeah, it would be, yeah. It was a good like reinvention of it. And yeah. It's much better than I was expecting it to be and better than most of the Predator movies that come out.

Definitely. A lot of fun. It was fun. Subs over Debs, four out of ten. Go fuck yourself for not letting this movie be what it tried to be. Disney, you pieces of shit. What'd you rate the The Predator? The Shane Black.

The Predator? Well, so my rating that I saw on IMDB that I did give it was a five, which makes sense for a movie that I don't remember because that's usually what I give movies that I don't remember. I don't know about that. Yeah, I think this one's probably better than I haven't even again I haven't seen that It is so much bad I remember having like a good energy in the theater and I remember it not taking itself as seriously I'm fully Prepared to say if I watched that movie again it would probably be a lower rating

But I'm not watching it again. So we will never know This is this is definitely better than that one don't give me shit over that being a higher rating because we don't know if it really is that's just what it was at the time Well, yeah, everybody on the internet. Yeah, I don't know. You can calm down. Okay. Yeah, you either gonna lower that one or raise this one, because it's not right. Well, yeah, if I watch it again, but...

Sorry. Oopsie. Looks like everybody... No one's going to sleep for the next week, I guess. This is a tragedy. All right. I guess some things just have to be like this. All right, it's time for the film recommendation.

I recommended a movie. It was called Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. A film where everyone's favorite quote is Patrick, baby boy. And, yeah, to give a short summary of the film, it stars Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet. They play two people that have their own fair share. of like social and mental problems in ways, like personality issues, I guess. And they fall in love with each other only to, I guess.

Yeah, let's just, I'm going to say spoilers right now, because part of the movie is like figuring out what's happening as it's going. I can't describe the plot without spoiling the movie because that's like part of the experience. So watch the fucking movie. It's one of my favorite movies ever. I'm going to spoil it. they fall in love only to later realize that they both previously were in love and wiped each other's memories from their minds because they were upset with each other and heartbroken.

And this is in a universe where such a service exists, very Charlie Kaufman type thing. So, you know, in his previous film, John Malkovich, it was like, oh, what would happen if there was just a portal into John Malkovich? which's brain and people sold it. In this film, it's like, oh, what would happen if there was an actual medical procedure being sold to people where they could erase people from their minds? And the way that this works, like, logistically in the movie is just like so well thought out and it's narrative and emotional and thematic purpose. It's perfect.

I love the movie. Let me know what you guys think about it. Michelle Dondry directed. True. That's important. Charlie Kaufman wrote it. Yeah, I forgot to mention the most important role is right. Coffin's important.

Coffin's important role for the writing. It felt like a coffin movie. It's like granted, like a little less weird than the Malkovich story, although not a lot less weird. But like, yeah. Yeah. Not everyone becomes John Malkovich. It makes it a little more like relatable to like all the characters. And yeah, this is easily like one of the best movies.

of like that came out that year probably ever for for me anyway um i wanted to talk about the trailer oh i'm not even sure i've seen it because we're talking about marketing i gotta fucking watch yeah i'm not i'm not familiar the original trailer it might be one of the most misleading trailers like in terms of just it's just like totally miscells the movie oh how did they market it it's like mr blue sky playing it's i think it's like the teaser trailer mr blue sky's playing and And, you know, it's like, they basically mark it as a romantic comedy, but which is the one good is. Of course. Because that fits in a box.

But, you know, there's so much more, right, there's so much more going on to it. So it's like that song, dun, dun, dun, done. And Jim Carrey acting like, zany and, you know, them running around. But that's not really what this movie is. This movie's a far more tower. So that's why that's on the soundtrack. Yeah. I always wondered why Mr. Blue Sky was on the film's soundtrack.

I was like, that's not in the movie. It's very out of place. It basically completely. This is so funny. Sells the movie. I think it's, honestly, one of the worst trailers I've ever seen,

just in terms of, like, not marketing the film accurately. And I guess they were, like, torn on the Jim Carrey, came, Kate Winslow. That's crazy.

Let's just, let's just sell it as a romantic comic. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah. And it was really sad because, you know, this film didn't do great when it came out.

I largely feel it's because it was not sold well. And I feel like that's why marketing is such an important thing. Like, if I factored marketing into my rating with this, which I don't really, because I didn't see the trailer when it came out. But, makes it look way too silly.

And there's funny parts in this film, not saying it's like all miserable. I think that's like a brilliant thing about it. Like balances all these different tones. Yeah. But that trailer, that trailer's fucked. That trailer sucks.

That's funny. I'm gonna watch that. Charlie Kaufman films are like notoriously, notoriously like impossible to market. Yeah. He should just be in charge of the market. I'm sure he would figure something out. Just show a fucking clip from the movie and just have it be, you know,

be people like, what the fuck is that? You know? Right. That would have been better. Like, I was showing a friend of mine who had seen it recently. He thought it was great. And I showed him the trailer. And he was like laughing as I was showing it to him. Like, this is like terrible. Like, this makes the movie look like shit. I'm like, yeah. It's like the worst trailer I've ever seen. Right? Like, yeah. Kaufman makes such unique films and unique experiences. And then the marketing department tries to put him into a box. Yeah. Of like, okay, what's a genre film that we can pretend this is? Like, it's so annoying. It's what A24 does with their horn. horror movies. Uh-huh. You know?

They make it seem too broad. If I can, it comes at night. Like, yeah, exactly. Far too broad. Yeah, there's much more going on. Yeah, it does kind of blend genres, doesn't it? Because it does, obviously, the core is that romance, but it also is kind of science fiction with the whole, like, the technology being a core tenant of the story and it working.

At service of a love story. Kind of business. Yeah, exactly. But it's definitely not like a romantic comedy this one might describe a typical, yeah, 500 days of summer or whatever. much more inventive and creative and original than that. But I'd only seen this once before, many, many years ago, probably 10 years ago at this point.

And I didn't remember just how like inventive and creative a lot of the, just like the visual and kind of special effects, like the angles, just the utility of how they like would use the environment, how just certain shots were so creatively like intertwined like, I remember the shot where Jim Carrey's leaving where Caitlin's Winsler is working and the lights shut off behind him as he's walking and then it like seamlessly cuts back into his friend's house

and it's all just like, yeah, it's also seamless, you know what you're thinking about. All the memory stuff was great. I think that was all practical. I think they just like had like a, I think they just like shut off the lights behind him and then had like a fake like door frame and wall.

set like built into there and then before they cut to the other like I think most of the the overwhelming majority of the effects in this film are all like practical um with like a couple yeah cg things but yeah that's just one tiny example there's so many like the whole force perspective stuff towards the end the uh yeah it's just very creative and like the like the car falling out the sky it's like some yeah some yeah it's not held back by anything that is something Michelle Gondry is like really, really great at. So yeah, I, as much as this is a Charlie Kaufman film, this is also very much a Michelle Gondry film. I, you know, obviously I saw you over Charlie Kaufman all the time, but you got to give Michelle Gondry a lot of credit here. If you've

ever seen his other films like, I don't know, science of sleep, you'll know that he loves to work with like large scale. Like, he'll take something that should be a miniature and then like blow it up and just like build these, these props for the films. He loves working with scale in that way and like forced perspective and just like weird. Okay, yeah. Imaginative shit. So. Green Hornet. I was looking through his IMDB, like his director credits.

And I was trying. The only thing I'd seen was like a few of his music videos. And, um, oh, did he do Green Hornet? Yeah, he did. That's his worst movie. That's easily his worst movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he did.

Weird. I'd only seen like BeKine Rewind, which is a way more like from memory kind of. Oh, yeah. Just like generic kind of comedy. Um. But I couldn't find anything quite on the level of eternal sunshine in there. But I'll have to check out the science of sleep, but that does sound interesting. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I only saw that once a long time ago, and I remember it being really interesting. Yeah, I like Be Kind of Rewind. You know, this movie was really ambitious. Mm-hmm. Like, it's a drama, but all those, like, the memory stuff, the visuals of that, like, really make it, like, so much more interesting to watch. So much more, like, a film experience. And yeah, just like, again, with that genre bending, it's like a comedy, but there's the science fiction in there and there's the drama. It's like blended all perfectly.

And yet the visuals are great. It is a perfect marriage between writer and director for this film. Like, they fill in for each other. Yeah, it really was. Like, weak points in a way. Mm-hmm. For sure. Mm-hmm.

Sure. I don't think Charlie Kaufman could have made this at the time. I just loved how they like, no. How they explored and established, like, the rules of, like, the, the memory kind of technology. It does give you, it gives you just enough. Like, we're not, you're not left questioning, like, oh, how does this work? Why does this do that? Like, it leaves it.

Yeah. Because it's mostly from Jim Carrey's perspective, so you see, like, how kind of confusing and stressful it is from his experience, which it would be to have, like, the doctor, I believe, he describes the procedure as, what, brain damage? Yeah. Comparable to a night of heavy drinking. I love that line to kind of just. deleting parts of your brain. It's like fucking lasering them. It's so funny how they explain that.

And it makes sense. And you could imagine, especially in the United States, like, yeah, this is just being, you know, you could, this could be a real procedure at some point, you know. Sure. I think it's a perfect marriage of those, um, those performances to, like Jim Carrey is really excellent in this movie. It plays to his strengths like perfectly because he is capable of dramatic stuff. but I've never liked his two serious roles or whatever, but he's like this in the Truman show for me. Like he's just like he's funny,

but he's also very sympathetic and the dramatic moments really work. And he's just like, is like a really fantastic performance in this and Truman show, which we should talk about one day. Sure, yeah. Both of those. He's just like, he is a really great actor.

He's one of the best in terms of like, just like the performance he gave in this was really great. And everyone else is too, Kate Winslet and Kurt. Kristen Dunson, Mark Ruffalo. And they had a great cast to, like, huge cast that are all really, you know, to serve their role. They were all awesome.

Yeah. The whole, like, memory framing is just such an ingenious, like, angle to take. Because, of course, you're going to get really natural, genuine drama out of it. Because, of course, the memories you're going to want to erase are going to be the most kind of intimate or embarrassing or dramatic kind of moments you're going to want to explore. So it feels really natural. Those are the things you remember. Yeah, exactly.

And it also kind of works in a kind of more horror slash disturbing way. Like I really, I'd forgotten about like Elijah Woods like role in the story. It's like really, really fucked up. Like what that character does. Oh, yeah. Impersonating someone with their memories. Like, and I just love like the way they, they kind of show how humans would just exploit this technology basically.

Like it's everyone like is such a mess with how it like comes together and Kate Windsor after the procedure is like so like confused and doesn't know what's happening and the whole subplot with the doctor and kirsten dunst is yeah it's like such a mess like what it does to people it's clearly like something that we definitely shouldn't have because it's too much power it's too much control it or something like oversight especially mm-hmm like without checks and balances to prevent someone from a like a Elijah wood's character uh from doing that what i really appreciated this time because i haven't seen in a while. And just like as I've grown up, I've kind of, you know, understood people and people as characters in real life a bit more and have had more experience with, you know, some really fucked up people that I, you know, have removed from my life. And the way that Patrick is portrayed is so on point for like a manipulator, like kind of a sociopath person. Like, the way he can't help himself, but to like brag about his little accomplishments, and be like, oh yeah, I stole the panties sort of thing.

Like, he had to tell someone else about it. Like, that is so accurate on point for like that type of person. The way that, you know, the first thing that they do when they go in the apartment and, you know, they're doing the operation on Jim Carrey. And Elijah Wood, the first thing he says, he's like, this guy kind of lives like a slav. It's kind of like a dump, isn't it? Like, he has these ulterior motives of, you know, that's essentially self-serving on his part because he's trying to convince himself out of his own insecurities.

He's like, oh, yeah, I'm totally better for Clementine than this guy. And he's looking for reassurance from Mark Ruffalo's character, who doesn't know what's going on yet. But, like, it's so, so accurate as to, like, the characters of these types of people. And it blew my mind this time especially, where it's like, wow, these are just real people. Like, Charlie Kaufman has such an incredible grasp on human behavior. And it's so authentic. It's absolutely unbelievable. And I also should mention

Jim Carrey's character, Joel. Like, the Truman Show, I love his performance in that. But I would say that that is essentially like, it feels like a Jim Carrey almost familiar to other performances, but without the wackiness. It's like his most serious parts

from other movies, and it's more genuine and more consistent. However, in this film, he's playing like a very different character, Like his mannerisms, the like soft spokenness of his character. And you can you can feel the insecurities and, and unconfidence breathing from his mannerisms and the way he speaks. Like, he's living that person.

And it's just really incredible. Yeah. He's a different character for sure. Such a very well thought out, great, well-developed, consistent character. It's probably my favorite performance from him. Yeah. Yeah. It's so great.

Yeah. One of my favorites from Easily, yeah. This film is very short, only an hour of 48 minutes. And it says like a lot in that time. That's like a, it's just like a film I go to. It's like, yeah, that's a short film. And it, and it was perfect the way it was. It's perfect.

It didn't need to be any longer or shorter. It's absolutely perfect. It's the proper length. Yeah. It didn't need to be over two hours long. Like most movies are now or have always been, I guess. But it's just like, it doesn't need any to be any longer than it is. It's like absolutely perfect.

Not a single moment feels like it's dragging on. Like, everything feels completely justified. I tend to, like, stories that, like, are cyclical and, like, the ending ties back into itself and into the beginning of the film and, like, with the whole memory thing. It's, like, that's basically exactly what happens. The whole movie is, like, it's just, like, a cycle. Like, you could see it that way. Like, they lose the memory and they get back together.

Like, I love that. I think that's such a unique. Like, I love the ending. Yeah, like, reframes the whole beginning. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Yeah. I love when movies do that and make it, like, like, make sense in the story and yeah that was really brilliant like the whole the way this film ended and the imagery of the ending that like the repeated shot that just cuts and like it's just so much like significance to that I thought it was like absolutely brilliant like the ending and like yeah how how it makes you want to watch the film again with like now you have that framework it's the kind of film you need to watch again to to understand like really what it's trying to say and you want to watch it again

because you understand it so much more. And the fact that it's so short makes it so watchable. Yeah. It makes it so much more, like, easy to watch again. Yeah, it's really fantastic work. Like, it's so good. Lots of subtle clues, like, in the beginning, too,

and him saying, like, it appears this is my first entry in two years. Something I noticed this time, which is probably the first time I've noticed it, if memory serves me correctly, is when he's kind of like walked to the beach, you know, he felt impulse to go to Montauk. It was like right after he heard it on the intercom, you know, runs to the train. He goes on the beach and as he's next to that abandoned house on the beach, you can hear a very subtle audio cue. And you can hear Kate Winslet's character like calling his name very quietly and echoing.

Like, you wouldn't notice it's there if you're not, like, familiar with the rest of the events of the film, basically. But, yeah, it was, like, something kind of, like, beckoning him. Like, there's... And I love how that works in the film, too, because, like, at its core, it is saying, essentially that, like, even though they've deleted these key parts from his brain, like, something within him loved her so much that it tried its best to, like, keep her somewhere in other parts of his brain. and there was some part of him that knew that something was missing. And the same goes for her, too. Like, she was like, you know, she, when Elijah Woods character is reciting the same lines that Jim Carrey said to her, like, oh, this is perfect Clementine.

I've never felt that way before. I feel like I'm really here. You can see in her performance, she's like, what the fuck? Like, she was experiencing maybe a deja vu or something. Like, so even though those parts were deleted from her brain, something in her subconscious, knew something was up and knew something. was weird and fucked up about that. She was so disturbed by that, right?

So, I love that idea. Yeah, there's a lot to interpret there. What's the way you interpreted the whole, like, frozen lake, the ice lake and like how that ties into the story? Because it's kind of like, at first he's kind of, I took it as like the relationship, like, their relationship, like a metaphor for that. Like, at first he's kind of afraid to go on it. it could fall apart very easily, like relationships do.

But, like, with her, as he walked on it with her, he became, like, more comfortable with it. Yeah. Like, it's something like that, you know. It takes a risk, yeah. Yeah, it takes a risk. And they, yeah, it goes, yeah, it goes okay. But, yeah. Because, like, the, it's on the poster, the lake.

Like, that's, like, a huge part of it. That seems very important. It's at the very least, like, an important character-defining moment for both of them because it expresses that, you know, he has this internal, like, fear and he's kind of, like, introverted. He doesn't, you know, he would stay inside all the time sort of thing. And she pushes him to do these more exciting things that even if they are scary, they turn out okay because they're with each other. And I would like to point out about this poster that you see on IMDB is the way it's framed with Jim Carrey in the front. The blue background on the bottom and the white ice on the top,

resembles kind of like a thought bubble thing. And you can see him looking up. And so it's like the ice is like a thought, like a traditional comic-y style cloud thought bubble sort of thing. And the fracture in the ice that's in the frame could represent on the poster, like kind of like a fractured mind, whether it be from the operation or whether it be from his mental problems, you know,

their social problems or him feeling like something's missing, you know, like the first lines in the film are him talking. about how lonely he is and how like Valentine's Day is just a thing made up by greeting card companies to make people feel like crap. Like so much of this film and like everything about it is just the you can absorb the story and the characters and the emotions and the themes. It's like it's so porous. It's like a sponge, you know, like it's a living, breathing entity. This is this art is alive, you know? It's a, it's, it's its own thing. It exists.

I love that point about the poster. That is a good poster. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great poster. Very iconic to me anyway. That's like the good marketing. It's not the trailer. Yeah.

Yeah. A lot of great posters come from just using images from the film. And that shot on the ice is just so fucking perfect. That like, why wouldn't you want to use that on a poster? Yeah. It's great. Yeah. I like its statement on relationships.

I think it's one of the best, like, it is kind of a romantic comedy. It's like a good one. It makes you think like it's both very like pessimistic about relationships and how hard they are to keep going and how there's struggles within it. But also it's very optimistic as well. It's very like hopeful. And I feel like it balances that like really perfectly. Like, you know, they do have problems and I guess that's why they want their memories erased in the first place because like those those memories are like so painful like

I can see why someone will want to get rid of them but at the end they they basically make the decision to go through with it again even though they know that there's going to be hardships again they're probably just going to do the same things to each other again but that's for them that's worth it because those those good parts are so good yeah it feels so good that it's just worth the bad yeah it's heartbreaking when And he finds himself in a memory that he suddenly doesn't want to get rid of. Yeah. He's kind of begging that he wants, just let me have this one, let me keep this one, no.

He starts regretting it pretty quickly. Right, because, yeah, because he just thinks about the bad and he doesn't think about the good. Like, you know, it's better to love and lost than never to loved at all. Exactly. That's kind of a huge thing. Like, that's very true. And he realizes that, like, there's these good parts, like, er, he doesn't want to get rid of. And that's why, like, I just love this film's take all.

on love and on relationships because it's it's both very, you know, pessimistic and optimistic. Like I said, there's good and bad to it. And there's not just one clear-cut answer. And, you know, maybe it is worth it. Maybe it isn't. But these characters at the end, like, I love that last dialogue where they're just like, okay. Exactly. And they, like, laugh at each other.

Perfect. Yeah, yeah. That's a brilliant way to end the movie in terms of just a dialogue, not the imagery. It couldn't be. Yeah. That's such a great way to end. like and then the music starts and like wow that actually yeah that gets something out of you like genuine emotion out of you which is not something most movies can even think of doing like

it's just so brilliantly written and and done performed in that scene like they were both great in that scene too yeah another emotional highlight is I guess his last memory where he's kind of come to terms with like what is happening and he's just like let's just enjoy this last moment and the whole like house thing and all the symbolism some of it. And I also really like, because like the story kind of like deflates to a natural point after his memory is wiped. But then the Kirsten Dunst thing comes back on itself with the her mailing out all of the tapes. So then you get like the, the new drama of them in the car and listening to the just the brutal, like the characters in their worst point describing

everything they hate about each other, but they have no memory of each other. So it's like a really complicated, strange dynamic and they're really confused by it. And that's like a really interesting scene to me, the way that will unfolds. It's incredible. There's so much to take from this film and so much to get out of it. So how many times have either of you seen this? This is my second time. I don't know exactly.

I've seen it a few times. Yeah. I've seen this many times. the first time that I watched it, I had a friend over and we put it on, but we were both like really high on ecstasy. And we got to the point, I think I was like 15 or something, I don't remember. We got to the point where it gets to the opening credits. and we were so confused that we're just like, I guess we're too high and shut it off. But in reality, it's like everyone's confused at that moment because...

Yeah, it reveals what the story is as it's going, but we like second guessed ourselves. It was kind of a weird thing. So I always have that like bizarre memory of that associated with this film. I would also like to say this is like one of the best films ever for portraying high people, the way it's performed and the way it's written. And like the beats of what's happening with the characters, Mark Ruffalo is like talking about is like, you know, gloating over his like social justice attitude. And then Kristen Dunst is immediately like, yeah, that's so great. And then he realizes, oh, she's talking about what was his name?

Like Richard? I don't remember the character's name. Tom Wilkinson's character, the doctor. She's like, oh, yeah, that's why he's so great. And he's like, oh, and he's immediately disappointed as he is realizing that she is talking about something different, but he never communicates that to her. And they're both kind of like in this weird, like, their own little world, just like high people. And it was just, yeah, the way that they perform. Yeah, and the way she like freaks out when she finds out the doctor's coming.

I want him to see me high. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's so good. I'm hungry. Yeah. I like all the dream stuff, too. I have a friend named Joe, who I've known for a long time in my life.

And he looks and acts and dresses exactly like Joel. And their name is one letter off. It was just like, yeah, I associate him with the character so much. And he's like gone through. Like, when I first showed him this movie, I think it was just after, just before, like, he had, like, a really bad breakup with some, like, weird girl, too. It was, like, so weird. The fact, yeah, there's all this, like, real life shit.

But he loved the movie, obviously. It was like, yeah, man, who hasn't? Very relatable. Yeah. It's an important movie to me. But even the thing you were saying earlier about, like, the characters and the Elijah Wood thing feeling, like, so realistic. Even, like, the bit roles, like, David Cross and Jane Adams, like, the way they'd argued.

you and how like David Cross was clearly like a bit of a pot head like every time he'd like all of his dial or basically loop round to that all the time and there's just something very genuine about it and you can see like different types of like humanity through all the characters is it's it's an insane script to be honest like the fact it like works as well as it does and just how much they fit into it it's it's it's incredible yeah exactly it's like so ambitious and very focused too. Like, yeah, I do like all those supporting characters and their stories.

They're all basically all, not as interesting as like the Kate Winslet and Jim Carrey stuff, but it's a good like B plot to cut to. Because if the whole movie was just like crazy dream shit would have gotten kind of boring. But there's all this other shit. Yeah, like exploring the world of it

and making the world of it seem very like believable. I do like movies that aren't just like, there's definitely allegorical things going on here, but there's a lot of, literal explanation for everything as well within the world of it and they they flesh that out make it like very palatable for like a general audience so like oh it's again it's like oh it's like a dream they erase your memories or whatever it's it's a business and yeah they hit like they play with that like Jim Carrey filling out

the forms are like going to the doctor's office and talking about like you know what he needs done or the procedure like this is very believable to anyone who's like been in a in a doctor's office before like yeah grounding the situation, making it feel real. And that's that's why the emotion works. Like, it's not just like this allegorical movie. Like, there's a lot of things to, like, there's just a lot going on. Yeah.

It's not just a trippy dream. It's a very grounded trippy dream. It makes sense. Yeah, because there's tension. There's a ticking time element with the, like, he's basically, he's basically a chase scene through his subconscious, like, trying to run away from this procedure that is, like, systematically destroying all of his memory. It's like, yeah.

Yeah, it's really interesting. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he doesn't really realize what he's like getting himself into. No, because he was doing it because he was hurt, right? She did it like impulsively from being hurt and he kind of did too. He was like, you're going to do this to me, like, but I think part of him knew, like, you know, he was hurt in the moment and he hated her in the moment. And when he recorded all of that shit on tape of talking about how, you know, all this stuff that he's sick of her and that she's fucks other people for to get them to like her and stuff like that like being hurt by someone can

really like influence your overall perception of them in that moment like everybody's emotions can basically be a lens on how you feel and how you're acting it can rewrite memories and re-contextualize things in that way and he wound up regretting it so quickly he like it was only like a couple memories into it where he was like oh shit i don't i actually don't want this because he loves her. Like he, you know, he's a person that was established,

both of them being, you know, they found each other because they didn't know what to do at that social gathering. They're both kind of weirdos. And that's why they are,

worked well for each other is because they're kind of outcast characters, even though they might have, you know, different personality types. But it created this sort of yin and yon thing where they filled in

for each other's gaps. And, you know, it was us, them against the, world sort of thing. And yeah, it was such a...

Yeah, they were very dysfunctional characters, but they needed each other. Yeah, shit. And it just, yeah, it works so well. And it's so in line with it. Like,

everything that every character does is in line with how they're written. And it feels consistent. It never feels like, oh, this is kind of convenient for a plot device. It's like, no, she wound up doing that because she's established as like impulsive.

And they, you know, over time, they're both, you know, let's say it, they have toxic, attributes where they are just yeah like they're they're kind of toxic people maybe in ways that

they can work on it and hopefully if we imagine the timeline there's never going to be a sequel thankfully but if we imagine the timeline later hopefully they could work on it and be like okay we know that we're going down this path again let's try to work through it and be better people we know that it's better to be loved and to lose than to never have been loved sort of thing you know, maybe, maybe they can fix their, their toxic behaviors in that way. Yeah. Yeah, maybe they can find something that works. We don't need a sequel.

This, this movie to me is the sequel. It's just like the same thing that keeps happening their whole lives. Yeah. They just keep doing the same thing to each other. Well, I don't know if it'll get to that point. I don't know. There's part of me that it leaves it open-ended enough that maybe with that information, with that forewarning that they can try it different this time.

you know, that they can, they can be like, okay, we're getting to the part where I'm starting to feel like when I said this in the recording. But I know now I have like a clear memory of me being like, well, I didn't think about that about you. And I still love you. And, you know, like they remember the nice parts about each other or something and it helps them get through. I don't know. I'd like to think that there's a happy ending for these characters to be with each other. But you never know. It leaves it open-ended.

And even if they do break up, it is still a happy ending because they get to keep their memories, you know? Mm-hmm. Unless she does it again. Yeah, unless one. Exactly. Which I think that happens. Yeah. That is that it's a real cycle.

They find out they've done it twice. The exact same events happen. They're like, wait a minute. There's like three tapes. I think they just keep doing it. I think they just keep doing it. Oh, God. That's like my interpretation.

She's suddenly 60. I read something about, um, there was some plan, like originally for the story to, turn into this kind of loop where they're like just doing it forever basically. That would be like the really depressing downer way to end this kind of story, I guess, because it ends, it's way more hopeful. Depressing, but it's also some of the best parts of like a relationship is like when you meet and you get to know the other person. Like, it's a great time.

Yeah. To be in a relationship. Like, some people would say that's the best time. Before you know their flies. Yeah, right. And so like, yeah, they infatuation. In some ways, it is like, kind of hopeful, but, you know, yeah, that would be 40 if you're just like 60 years old and like still doing the same thing. You know, you don't know.

That's why it's a good story. It's like easy to interpret it in many different ways. One way in which I appreciate the writing for this film is I try to imagine how myself or someone else, anyone else really, would have written parts of this. film. So it's like, let's say you start out with the concept of like, okay, there's like a, um, you know, a service where, uh, they erase your memory. Like anyone else would have had the procedure done in a clinical setting, like at the hospital or at their office or something. But because Charlie Kaufman wrote it so that it's taking place in his home, which makes sense narratively, because they want them to wake up there and they don't want them to know the procedure happened.

That's part of the procedure. That provides so much narrative. opportunity for showcasing the other characters exploiting him by like taking his drinks and like playing music and smoking weed and blah blah blah blah blah all that immoral shit that they're doing and it'll like it helps for

you know all these seeds like being planted later of like oh I thought I had more to drink and stuff like that like there's so much more narratively you can get out of that because of that decision that it's like there's so many examples of like just making little tweaks, and then you get to, like, harvest more out of the story because you wrote it in that way.

Yeah, yeah, it creates drama. Yeah, the decision to have the previous memory versions of themselves not necessarily being played by children, that helped a lot because you can't, I'm sorry, like most child actors are shit. It's not how I saw it I really like the imagery Like the fourth perspective of like Them under the table Like that was such creative Like yeah it's so much more creative

There's lots of ways it benefits But But I'm also saying That could have been a disaster if you got a real kid You know Yeah maybe Yeah Like that could have been

That easily could have been a disaster For in many of those scenes And they did have a real kid in some of the scenes But we had voiceover from Jim Carrey And it was like You know It was swapping back between his adult in the kid costume and the kid.

The memories had like a dreamlike logic to it. So it was like, it was fine. Yeah, yeah, you got that great joke. That's really funny. And like, like, it added to like the, it added to the comedy, right, like of them dressed as kids and like Kate Winslet lips off her skirt or whatever. Like, that was funny. Like, it adds a lot to the humor.

It wouldn't have been as funny as if, if it was just like kids or whatever. Like, that just wouldn't have worked as well. It's so wacky and out there. Yeah. That's when it gets really wacky. It builds to that. Like, it doesn't just start out wacky. It doesn't feel like a Quentin DePia film where it's like, oh, this is just wacky for the sake of being wacky and there's no point to it.

It's like, no, this is wacky almost out of necessity for like the story that they're trying to tell. Like, this is. Yeah, that is the eye of the doc scene. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. It's great how it built up to that stuff. I was also going to mention the way that.

So when Jim Carrey starts figuring out that, uh, None of this is real and that everyone he's interacting with is created by himself in his own brain and that they are him sort of. They're the manifestations that he's imagined of other people. When he starts figuring that out and the way that he interacts with them is so incredibly genuine and realistic in terms of how that is. The doctor's saying like, so Jim Carrey is like, none of this is real. And the doctor's like, yeah, this is about what it would look like. You're right. Like, just like sort of matter of fact. Like, I feel like I've had conversations like that in my dreams with like characters. It feels so crazily real. And then you try to imagine if

somebody else was writing that, right? And you would probably get something like a very sterile matter of fact exposition heavy explanation of like, oh yes, this is in your dream. Then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, instead of it acting like the character. Like, chances are, that's how someone else would have written it. That's how I imagine anyway. Like, that feels like a familiar way of doing it. But then Charlie Kaufman just like manages to, to, it's like a, it's like he birthed a living, breathing, being, right? And it exists independently of him now. Like, the film, the story, the art form takes on a life of its own and it's no longer, you know, just someone's property.

It's like it exists, right? It's real somehow. I love the imagery of the snow on the beach. I think like location and setting is like a huge thing, especially with that being reincorporated. Yeah. And the aesthetic of that. Right, like the house and then it crumbling.

Like all that imagery was really great. Yeah, with them walking through the, yeah. Yeah, that's excellent. Because you could imagine like metaphorically, like, what is snow on a beach? You know, like beach is supposed to be this like happy, nice, warm, like vacationy. sort of area, but then you have this layer on top of it, like a layer of snow. There's barely any people out. Everybody, you know, everybody's cold. It's kind of like miserable. The lighting has changed because it's overcast. You could interpret that as like, you know,

a layer of snow could be like, like I was saying earlier, like emotions can cloud your judgment and they can be like a lens that you view things through in your mind. Like that that snow could be like a clouded judgment of like perception of the past based on um you know being upset at someone it could be uh you know there's many ways to interpret it who knows if any of them are intentional or if it just looked nice right but um yeah just just such perfect imagery for what the film is going for tone wise and theme wise i love it so much and the dialogue too so much of it is like really thought-provoking and memorable or like biting

like when it's insinuated by I can't remember which character says it but erased as a lark like hammering home how like impulsive she is and how other people see her and how much that crushes him or I really like that line towards the end

where Kate Windsor says she's not a concept because like There's this real thing, like in the manic pixie dream girl type role where it can get lost in, like, not highlighting any of the dysfunction or just, like, turning characters into these kind of cartoonish, like, tropey messes. But she feels much more real, like it, like she, she is struggling. She's clearly not fully functional. Like, she's really has her problems. feels like a real person and it isn't just this like idealized kind of person. And another one was the the dining dead scene, a big fan of that.

Yeah. Jim Carrey's kind of like reminiscing about how he doesn't want to be one of those couples. Yeah. And I'm just realizing how now that you mention it about her, you know, being her own character and not this like caricature of, of like desire. Like that's kind of like an important, you know, we could call it like a feminist, uh, representation in this film that it is, if you break it down or oversimplify it, let's say, it is kind of a get the girl movie in a way.

Like, we're watching it through Jim Carrey's character's perspective and like what is his function in the film. You know, he's lonely. He wants to be with her. But she is very much like her own agency. She's not this like, she's not this like weird caricature of like what a male thinks a woman is, although technically it's written by a male and it's, you know, blah, blah, blah, but Charlie Kaufman understands people so much more than that, that she's like, oh,

wow, she's her own character with her flaws and, you know, she's not perfect and she makes, you know, her own decisions if you want to say that, but I love her character design too. I love that she's always got like different hair color and, you know, that orange jacket and like just this weird sense of style where, you know, even later. in the film. You can hear it, you can, it's important in the writing. They say out loud, like, oh, I thought, like, how cool an orange jacket. Or you hear her say to Elijah Woods character, like, oh, wow, thank you. This is, like, exactly my style, like kind of like a thrift shop necklace sort of thing. Like, she's like, nobody ever knows my taste in things. It's like so integral to the

character, but it's so expressive in the visuals at the same time. You know, it's not just random choices to like look cool or look weird like it's it's yeah perfect well also it's functional to like the narrative it helps you keep track of like what part of the timeline you know you're interacting with yeah got a great um a great sense of continuity to the film yeah it's never confusing in a way that's like distracting or pulls you out of it it's always you always right there with the characters experiencing what you should be you're not like questioning like the rules or like how this makes sense or where are we again

it's yeah it's it's really clear I'd also like I took a note here of this is this is back with just how shitty Elijah Wood's character is and just how like accurate it is to like these types of manipulative fucking loser people

at the point they they very subtly kind of introduce in the timeline of chronology that it's only been a week since they performed the operation on the procedure on Kate Winslet's character

and so like only one week has passed I don't know if he started dating her like the day after already but when he gets a phone call from her while they're doing the operation on Jim Carrey he says something like I gotta go I'm having a situation with the old lady like you're saying that like

it's been a week since you like what the fuck dude like what a creep he's such a fucking creep, dude. It's insane. Yeah, he's really disturbing. Yeah. Such a freaky angle. Yeah.

So cool. Just everything about it. We didn't mention the music. The music is like one of the best scores, John Bryan. Yeah. I like the credit song. Oh, yeah, that's Beck. Well, song at the end.

Yeah. I do like that song. Like, it fits really, it fits better than Mr. Blue Sky does. Yeah. I've been kind of quiet because I'm just looking into, so there was a 4K release of the movie. Yeah, I just watch. 4K, which I got. Yeah, I watched it too. How was it?

It looks great. And, like, I'm just reading about, like, the process behind it because I don't believe they had a film negative to transfer. I think it was shot digitally. Yeah, it didn't look as crisp as... I don't know if it was digital, because you'd think that it would have a really low frame rate, like a Michael... Like, 2004 digital, like, wasn't really...

I don't know if it was... I'm not entirely sure. I don't think they had a film. negative that they could easily like transfer into 4k because like usually have the film negative and they just like right it's whatever definition is on that um but what were you saying somebody told me that they shot it in film but like put a weird kind of i don't know if they said blurring or like almost kind of some kind of filter over it to give it more of like a dream like yeah filters on it yeah and so that way it doesn't look as crisp but that's just like in the yeah to the nature of how the

film is and not really like the necessarily the quality of the transfer. So, I'm not sure. But it looks great. It's not just like, it's not perfect. And, you know, it's not as perfect as like just transferring a 4K print because they didn't have like a film negative of that. And they couldn't rebuild like the entire movie. Because that would have been too expensive.

Especially with all the visual effects and all that. But it looks great. Yeah. I was just looking into that stuff. that was very like complicated. Apparently they put like a lot of work and money into like remastering this film and making it look good and I really appreciate that and... It looks accurate to how I remember it, so yeah. Yeah. The director of photography says like this is the way like you should be watching

it like it's the best looking home release of it. Perfect. It's basically how it looked in like when it was released in theaters. Like this is like how he wants you to see it. I'm like, okay. I can see that. Like they point out especially Kate Winslet's hair has a very like, um, dreamlike magical quality to it in this one. Yeah, the rest of the film is like slightly undersaturated, but then her hair like kind of jumps out. Yeah, it's not, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like very silver, blue, gray.

Yeah. Like kind of dreary tones, dreamlike tones. Yeah, it's not all bright. Yeah. It's like a much more subtle version of like those effects in Sin City, you know? But like, thematically for this film, it's like, sure. She sticks out from the crowd and he, you know, he says that in the dialogue, oh, orange sweatshirt, but not only visually, but like, she is the light of his life, essentially. Like, his life is, is dreary and unexciting, but she is this, like, you know, there's, there's a reason why he's attracted to her, why he is emotionally attracted to her.

She lights up his life in that way. She is the color in this, otherwise dreary, overcasts. setting. So, yeah, the visuals perfectly match the themes and thoughts of the characters. Yeah, it says here, the film is finished with a digital intermediate to help facilitate Gondry's desire to insert digital composite effects. There we are. So maybe they didn't have that original negative or whatever, or they'd have to like re-edit

all of that. Like, you know, that's way too much money. They can't do that. I mean, for certain movies, they could. Just not for an indie film like this. This is kind of indie. It's like in the middle. Yeah.

Around there. It's not like a $200 million movie. I feel like they did the best they could with like their resources. I think it looks great. I'd recommend the 4K. Yeah. For sure. It's the best way to watch it.

Yeah. Yeah. I got a lot out of that. Yeah. Interesting film stuff there. The Howard's wife, she only gets like a couple of minutes in the movie, but she was great. Yeah, memorable little argument and what she reveals. That's like a fun, well, fucked up moment.

The way she sort of like chokes on her words when she's like, thanks a lot. You know, like to Mark Raffalo. Tushes him over, yeah. Yeah, her little hit. Yeah, so fucking everybody feels real. Every character just feels like a real person. Yeah. I think the film would have benefited a lot from a, if they're roll speaking Comanchee. Yeah, I was just about to say, like, every, yeah, like, people get pissed on. Sometimes I'll be like, I'll have a complaint about a movie, and then I'll say, here's

an example of a film that did it right, and it's like a Charlie Kaufman movie. It's like a masterpiece, and people are, did you seriously just compare this movie to like an art house movie? It's like, yeah, I'm making these comparisons because here's an example of something where it feels authentic, right? It's not impossible to do. You just have to, like, care about the movie you're making. a bit more, right? You have to be talented. Like, that, yeah, when something feels inauthentic

in a film, I, you know, I compared to something that I feel was authentic, you know? Nothing in the film itself feels like a marketing decision, like, except maybe like the casting of the big actors, but they all fit perfectly. Yeah, it got to exist and be what it wanted to be. Yeah. Like, the, the, the most the studio interfered with is, I guess, the trailer, you know, so. Mm-hmm. Right. that trailer. I also, this is a little factoid is, is like, because they were an independent, you know, low budget production, um, because of the nature of their filmmaking and the small crew, there are parts of the movies that they just kind of filmed on a whim. They would be like,

oh, like, it's snowing. Let's like go outside and have them, like, play outside in the snow. Or, um, that parade with like the elephant and stuff. They literally just, there was like a parade happening outside and they were like, let's go down there from the apartment. And just like, they started filming there. And so apparently a lot of the camera flashes you see were like the paparazzi trying to get shots of Jim Carrey. And then they just like did ADR over top of it. And so that was like just a real thing that was happening, I guess, in like New York or whatever. Yeah. So they get to like use those opportunities because they're a smaller production. I love it. Yeah. I guess it kind of gives a improvisational kind of nature.

Yeah. Fucking love the music. It's it's John Bryan's soundtrack in this is so versatile within the same film. Like, it's, it's not like, oh, versatile throughout his, like, entire filmography. This is, like, very unique and versatile sounds within one film. There's so much memorable, great stuff happening. Like, oh, God. The sound effects of the, you know, that, that, like, beeping noise whenever they delete a memory.

And then at the beginning of the movie, you don't know what that is. And then you learn over time, like, why that's happening at the end of each scene. And, oh, yeah. Film is alive and it is eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. And I could talk forever about this. I'm watching the trailer again. They're like dancing in their underwear. Mr. Blue Sky's playing.

Yeah, this is not the whole movie though. Oh, yeah, I just opened it and was like from that time case. He's like screaming in misery. Screaming and misery and then it starts blues sky. Yeah, thank you for letting me know about that. Because I always wondered why that was in the soundtrack. I was so confused. It's very jarring.

And you know why they chose the song is because fucking sunshine and blue sky. Or like, you know, is this the title? Like, oh, sunshine, sky. Like, it's a happy. Whoa. They usually falls like with so many artful directors or writers and like art films. They have no idea like how to market their movie or there's like a different. apartment that the studio brings in to like market it and it's just like so sad.

I'm sure if you lift it up to Charlie Kaufman and Michelle Gondry, it would be a faithful marketing. But unfortunately, it's just a different department and they have nothing to do it. They just get sent some clips. They're like, sell this shit. Right. The studio doesn't trust them to like sell it. They're like, which is so lame. Yeah, it is lame. Like I like, um, we've talked about directors who like edit their own trailers. Like I think Jordan Peel and Chris Nolan obviously like, I love their trailers. Like, I love watching the trailers because they're such a part of the movie.

Like, the tenant trailer doesn't even give away anything. Like, I like that. And, yeah. Or nope. Of course. Yeah. Would they get that privilege because they're just so successful? Did I ever tell you, um, PTA, the original trailer for There Will Be Blood?

He released without the permission of the studio. And they were pissed at him, but it got so much buzz from the movie. They were like, oh, whatever. Because like, he literally just like uploaded that trailer on YouTube, the original trailer for there will be blood where it's just like Daniel Plainview saying some stuff and like by the campfire like this weird ass fucking tone of just like the

string instruments and like it was so perfect and that got me so interest in seeing the movie like I was so young like I was barely into like art films at that point I didn't know who Paul Thomas Anderson was at the time I don't think but I saw that trailer I was like this looks so unique that I have to see it and

that's what you get when the directors and writers are you know they market their own shit when they are creating something unique, you want to sell it as a unique film because that's faithful to what it is. That's accurate to what it is. Like, let people who want to see that sort of thing be interested in it. Stop trying to box it into a fucking genre. Pieces of shit. It's their story. They know it better than anyone. No, I was just flicking through that trailer. It's hilarious. It's actually insane what they're doing. Like, using the clip of Elijah Wood with the googly eyes and stuff and, like, the dancing on the bed, making it look like a straight comedy. This is a...

Because, you know, it's Jim Carrey. You got to sell it to like that crowd. But that's not the crowd this is for. And so many marketing, like, marketing people, they edit every trailer the same. It's like music with the names of the celebrities that are in it. And, you know, it doesn't... Like, a lot of these trailers that I like, they don't... Like, it doesn't say, like, the names of the actors or whatever.

Or, like, this summer. Like, it has, like, clips from it and, like, music. And it doesn't give away a lot. Like, that's a huge thing. It doesn't give away anything. Like, yeah, it's just... The trailer did everything wrong, in my opinion, for this. I don't mean a harp on it, but it's just like an interesting, like, I feel the film

would have done so much better if it was marketed accurately. And I even think of, um, the Deadpool situation where Ryan Reynolds released that, like, animated clip of like the car chase scene from that pool. And like, that drummed up so much publicity for the film. I'm sure that's a reason why they actually ended up making it in the first place. And that scene is like basically recreated in live action in the film. It's just like, yeah, the creators understand the film much more than a marketing team does, and they should have more of a say in it to avoid this kind of shit,

like to avoid these kind of misleading trailers, because it does impact the box office, I feel. I just sent the UK DVD cover art for CinectiChee, New York. The Cinecteatine New York. The smash hit comedy of the year. Holy shit. I know. Yeah.

And then the five-star reviews at the top, the selectively edited quotes of just astonishing. Hilarious. Metro says, hilarious. That's the only thing you want to get out of their five-star review they gave the fucking film. That's the only part you want to communicate on the fucking DVD cover. It's hilarious. Oh, yeah, this is one of the funniest fucking movies ever. You're going to be laughing to your fucking grave.

Holy shit. Like, let Charlie Kaufman do his own shit. Nobody gives it. I'm so sad for him. He's like, one of the most, the most, my favorite fucking screener. writer, one of the most talented people working in the industry. And just like, all of his recent films, they're just like not making enough money. And so nobody like gives him an opportunity to do anything.

And so he's just like, oh, fuck, it's so sad. Yeah, he's almost like too creative. Yeah. I just like how the title, it says how to pronounce the title. It's like a little bubble on the top. This is how to pronounce Synecic. Yeah, how quirky. What a quirky movie.

It's really funny. It's Synecichy, New York. Back to Key, New York. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, it's, you know, everything in a film is important, even, like, how you sell it to people, the audience you're going for. You're like, yeah, what is the audience you want for this kind of film?

Like, that's a huge part of it. You need to, like, you know, understand that. Is it not, like, what would you say is the audience for this? Like, everyone, this is like one of the, like, I, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's one of the most. It's hard to say. I don't know anybody that doesn't like this movie. Like, there is a.

bit of a barrier. You might get some people who, you know, you might get some people who are, like, too confused and turn it off. You might get a couple of those people. But overall, like, even the people that are confused by it, I think most of them at least are interested in it because it's so, like, the visuals and, like, everything that's happening. And then by the end of the movie, they might not be so confused and figure everything out and maybe watch it a second time. I think this movie is for everybody. It's, like, one of the most accessible, despite there being some of a barrier in terms of its presentation. It is really, really accessible.

It's probably the most accessible art house film ever made, where you can call it accessible and art house at the same time. There's very few of them. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's made for everyone too. Yeah. Like, I'd recommend that's from anybody, basically.

There's nobody that shouldn't see this movie. But like when you're in a marketing room, you're like, it's made for everybody. They're like, oh. It's just so many movies that are such shit. It's romantic comedy with Jim Carrey. It makes it look like a piece of shit. Well, yeah, it does. But it's just like so many movies get released that suck because they just, they know their audience. They know the audience. It's making it for like, okay, this is an action movie. It's made for men 40 to 50 or like 20 to 40. Yeah, and that's like how they pitch it. And then the producer go, oh, okay. And they don't like see anything more than that.

That's how these movies get fucking made, like even if they suck because they're going for like and then you have something like, this, it's like so much more thoughtful than that. Like, it treats everyone like there's shared experiences in life. But like a marketing team just doesn't see that. They think that it's too broader. I don't know what they're thinking, but it's just very sad, like the, the way films are made at this point. And, you know, it's refreshing to get films like this that are, you know, very thoughtful and intelligent and yeah, and they're made for lots of people. They're very relatable, that the emotions and the situations in this film are very believable and relatable to most people, to anyone who's been in a relationship, which is most people

at some point, even if it's a friendship, even if it's like your parents. Like, it's just very... Yeah, like, one of the customers in the place where they do the procedure was like a woman who was, had clearly just buried her dog. And she had like a bone and like a picture of her dog. Like, it's not even just about romantic relationships, you know, it's... It's about loss in general. It's about, you know, struggling with your own mind and wanting that universal,

uh, fantasy of wanting to forget. Um, and, you know, time is the only thing that really heals. And you can still keep a memory and hopefully it gets better for you over time and it doesn't, uh, devastate you as much over time. Or maybe you do learn to forget over time. But, you know, time is what heals rather than brain damage. you know, so. There was a great, um, world building detail in that scene with the, the woman with the dog bone and stuff.

Um, with Kirsten Dunst is like on the phone saying like, no, I'm sorry, you can't book a more than three times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because it is, it is such a, like, it would be such a desire for like, if it was a technology that could exist, like, people, they couldn't help themselves. Like, it really is one of those. Pandora's boxes that should remain closed. Yeah, really. Yeah. Incredible movie. I could talk about this forever, but I guess we should probably give ratings and go into question time.

This is a great discussion. Thank you. Yeah, we said a lot. I'll start. I'll give it a 10. I give a lot of movies at 10. That's not because I think like every movie's a 10 or whatever. We talk about great movies on the show.

It's a very select pool of films. So like, yeah. Well, maybe you should give it at 11 then. Yeah, so maybe I should recommend fives or whatever, yeah. But this is a 10. It's everything I said. It's thoughtful. It's emotional.

It's seriously, it's like immaculate work. It's really great film that I'd recommend to basically anybody. I love this film. This is great. This is one of Charlie Kaufman's... It might be his best film, in my opinion. I think it's the best thing he's worked on. I just love this movie.

I think it's absolutely great. and I'd recommend it to anybody. Yeah, so 10. Easy as 10 I've given in a while. Yeah. No, I'm right there with you. This is a five-star perfect 10. I hadn't even thought about the audience thing,

like how it is like an art house weird, like memory erasing, confusing, like movie, but it does have the broadness. It's got nearly a million ratings on IMDB. with a really high average score. That's why it got a 4K. It's the perfect combo. You don't do that unless people are watching. Yeah, yeah.

It's the perfect combo of talent. Yeah, you got that. You got the Kaufman script and Jim Carrey and Kate Winston leading. Gondry's direction. It's just the perfect package. I think I'm there with you. It might be my favorite, uh, Kaufman, uh, script. Yeah, I'm right there with you.

I'd recommend it to anyone. Uh, yeah, the discussion has just made me honestly. You want to want to watch it again, thinking of it. all these different aspects. There's so much going on. It's so creative. It's so, it is everything that you could want from a film.

Yeah, me too. I want to watch you. Yeah, I'll be watching this one every once in a while for the rest of my life, really. Yeah, that, yeah, I feel like you could watch it every, like, five years and get, like, new perspectives just based on your own experiences and, like, new relationships you've been through or seen or experienced as is, yeah. Yeah, and 10 years we'll get a, John Favreau remake and

that misinterprets everything that was good about it yeah I wanted to make it look like a documentary just because yeah love this movie one of my favorite movies ever it's always going to be with me

and I'm giving this one a six out of I'm giving it a 10 it's a 10 out of 10 easy 10 um yeah it's just fucking perfect and you can talk for hours about what there is to appreciate in this film and how

well it works with itself and everything, everything about it. I love it. Triple 10. Nice. Yeah. All right. Time for questions. Okay. Let's do some questions from the Sardunakas community. Head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit if you want to ask us anything like the Backwoods Man. did. Oh, jeez. What is the worst blue ray or 4K that you've encountered? Oh, that was a, yeah, that's just, so the backwards man is just flooding back to me.

Backwards man, the backwards man. Yeah. Whether it be because of the version of the film included, the restoration, or any other reason you can think of. So the worst blue ray or 4K transfer you've encountered. I'm just pissed off that when I started collecting physical media. there were a bunch of cool, like, special edition thing. Like, the DVDs that came out for certain movies had so much cool, extra shit and, like, physical things and blah, blah, blah, blah.

That was, like, at the peak of, like, physical media. And then Blu-Rays come out, and it looks better. And then it's like, okay, well, it's just the disc and, like, a couple features. And you're missing half the features that were on the DVD that I already owned. Like, the fucking Memento collector's edition, like, holy shit, I wish that was a Blu-ray, but fuck. And now it's like, well, now I own both because I, I don't want to lose the cool shit from the DVD, even though I would gladly get rid of my DVD if you just kept the same cool shit for the Blu-ray.

Yeah, that is lame. I had a really strange one of these a few weeks back when I bought Swiss Army Man on iTunes, which recently got like a 4K update. Oh shit. And I'd never seen this before on like a movie on iTunes, but the video and all the video and all audio out of sync. Uh-oh. But by like a good like three or four seconds. Uh-oh.

It's genuinely fucking unwatchable. I was watching for like 10 minutes. Was that on forums? Yeah. I thought it maybe it was just like where I was watching it. Yeah, I looked it up. And there's like a thread on Reddit of like people like, yeah, the 4K like update or whenever they did it on iTunes is like, wow.

That's pretty bad. It's actually unwatchable. I've never seen that before. That's actually awful. Yeah, that was only a few weeks back. I wonder if they fixed it. That's crazy. You can't fix his shit, iTunes, Jesus.

Oh my God. My, um, my Blu-ray for Sunshine, um, was a great Blu-ray. And then at a certain point in time, there was like an update that happened for like the firmware for like all Blu-ray players. So like PS3 and like everything. Some sort of like universal update for. Blu-ray players that after that update, the pop-up video on top of video commentary would show up on top of the film about 10 minutes into it and you wouldn't be able to turn it off. And it was a big

enough, there was like a disc replacement thing process that we had to go through to get a new one basically. But it was like, wow, like there was an update on Blu-ray players in general that made that bricked my Blu-ray and there was I swear something similar happened to my crank Blu-ray but

there was no like forum or replacement thing about it and I don't know it was just like wow this Blu-ray worked forever and now it doesn't work on anything it was so weird I don't know what happened so I had to get another one yeah I got to say mine was um I got the 4K of Terminator 2 and I was just

like looking into this now because when I was watching it it looks It looked very weird. It didn't look like a 4K transfer. It kind of looked like it was upscaled in certain parts. Like they used AI to upscale it. And it did look like for a movie that high profile, I thought it kind of looked like shit at parts.

There's a subreddit for 4K Blu-ray, and sometimes there will be like threads that people give like asking questions about quality of certain Blu-rays. And some of these people have like, they've got lists of like, here's some that just have terrible transfers. Because there's a lot of, you know, there's certain studios where, they'll just kind of shit out their 4K release

and they won't put that care into getting a good looking or accurate transfer. You know, like, it's the same thing with Disney Plus putting the Simpsons on it and cropping it and you miss like half the jokes. It's like, these companies, a lot of them don't give a shit about like integrity or the art. They're just like, oh, we're just going to put it on the thing.

Like, fuck you. It's so annoying. Yeah, I'm trying to look up what DNR means because the people are saying that's the problem. Do not resuscitate. It just looks like the... In terms of 4K, upscaling, I'm trying to...

Yeah, because it had this weird effect where, like, people looked like wax figures. Like, you could tell the upscaling on them. Yeah, I think I heard that... It looked very bad. Blu-ray wasn't great. That was T-2, right? Yeah, T-2. And I expected much more from a film like that.

I know. So high profile. Exactly. Yeah. But, yeah, I really wasn't... That's the worst one I have. I, you know, people look like wax figures. I mean, there's no other way to say it.

And, like, the color is off in certain scenes. It looks like it was just upscaled from, like, maybe a 1080 or 2K. Wow. And it's just, it's very distracting. Yeah. And I'd especially, I'd expect more from James Cameron of all people who's like, you know, groundbreaking fucking director in terms of visuals. It was very strange. Yeah, I don't think he oversaw it.

I think he did. Really? No. What? Yeah. I think that was in the news as well. What? Like James Cameron oversaw the transfer.

He must have. been like, I don't know, doing something else. He was busy. Yeah, he was busy editing Avatar too and he like glanced over at his phone or something like that. Yeah, he watched it on his fucking telephone. Yeah, he's like, oh, it looks fine. Yeah. But yeah, that's a shame because I expected much more from that.

I hope T2 gets a good transfer eventually. That's one of my favorite action movies. Yeah, I hope they give refunds or some shit. Yeah. Whenever there's like an extra frame and like a criterion release, they do a refund because people are so fucking like, They tout this level of quality, and then it's like, uh-oh, like something goofed up. They wind up doing like a disc replacement thing.

Yeah. There's apparently, like, in the 4K Blu-ray for 12 monkeys, which we, which I watched for our, the podcast recommendation that we did a few weeks back, um, apparently there's a minor issue with that that I didn't notice, but I'm going to do the disc replacement anyway, just because, like, okay, if there was an issue, like, apparently there was like, sound. from another scene that played for like one second and one that wasn't supposed to be there or something. I don't even remember. But it was like some weird shit where someone was like, that's not how the movie is.

And then they're doing a disc replacement. It's like, well, I'm glad you're fixing it at least. Yeah. The Blu-ray that I would say you shouldn't expect to look like a Blu-ray would be 28 days later. Because it was shot on digital in what? 2000 or something. Let's see. Yeah, 28 days later, it came out in 2002.

It was shot on digital where digital was not a reasonable way to shoot films, but it was an artistic choice. And so it was like, it looks pixelated as shit, but it's not because of the transfer. It's because of the way they filmed it. There is no higher quality version. So it looks like you're watching like a fucking... If you're used to Blu-ray, it feels like you're watching 240P on YouTube,

even though it's not. But it's like, holy shit. Why can I see pixels? It's, oh, it was just, that's how the movie was shot. It was an artistic choice at the time. And maybe that's not upscaled, like, the Terminator 2 one was. It's very obvious. They upscaled certain things.

I'm like, wow, that guy looks like a wax figure. It's like going to Madden & 2 so's. Yeah, upscaling, you know, it's just an AI. It's not going to look good. Not at this point. Yeah. Yeah, not quite, yeah. 20 days later is a good movie, though.

Yeah. Yeah, I was talking to someone about, that very fact the other day. And they said it didn't really hurt it in any way. Yeah, you get used to it pretty quickly. Whatever resolution you're watching it in, you get over it in like 10 minutes. Yeah.

It's nice to have 4K though. I like having a higher resolution, but, you know, it doesn't make something unwatchable. I just try to get it in whatever best quality I can. Yeah. Okay. Super Rider 108 underscore MC says this.

What are your thoughts on the recent tax Reitofs made at Warner Bros. Discovery from canceling films already in production, canceling beloved shows, or outright deleting shows and movies from HBO Max, with no legal way of watching them. Beloved originals, like Infinity Train, were outright wiped from both the platform and essentially erased from any social media platform promoting the show, almost as if they never existed. In a legal sense, it's a way to avoid paying creators any residuals. Personally, I think it's rather insulting to the various creative teams who work tirelessly to put out projects they're passionate about, dissuading any sort of artistic freedom and heartbreaking to

ultimately have your hard work be deemed lost media. Yeah. So I guess this was tying into the whole, like I've been just seeing all this stuff about HBO Max and stuff disappearing. And it's not in this country, so I'm still kind of confused as to what's really going on. Yeah, I don't think that anything I was watching is gone, but it's still crazy to just remove content when a lot of the content they're removing is like, Like, it's Max Originals.

They're not paying a license to keep it on the platform because they already own it. Like, the company itself owns the license to it already. So what they're trying to do is just be like, oh, we just don't want to pay the creators. But then, like, how does that make any sense? Because wouldn't the money you're paying the creators just come from the subscriptions anyway? And it would be, you know, you would know how much to pay them based on how much people are clicking on it.

Like, if no one's clicking on the movie, you don't have to pay them anything, right? Like, as far as I'm concerned, like, the way the model works would be similar to Spotify, I would think that's how it works, where more people click or listen to something, then you get more of a share of the subscription money. You'd imagine, right? Yeah, right? So the only, yeah, as soon as we're dealing with this, thinking of it as a tax write-off,

then we're getting into the territory of like, okay, there's some complicated shit going on and people are crunching numbers in ways that I don't understand, where I guess because they wrote those as canceled, then they, like, have that as a loss on their taxes or something. Like, blah, blah, blah, but I don't know what the fuck's going on, but it's really fucking gross. That they're just like, yeah, we're saving some money, like, as if you're going to go bankrupt without, like, canceling all these shows.

Like, the Bat Girl movie, it doesn't matter if it's shit. It was done, right? It was done. Fucking release it. Release it somewhere. And how much are they spelled out? That was like, what, 60, 90 million or so? 90 million, I think.

People worked on that show. That was very weird. Even if it's bad, let us fucking laugh at it. You'll make a little. bit of money. They don't want to devalue the brand of Warner Brothers. I mean, that one, at least they didn't release that. Like, I understand the backroll one, but like, taking away content that's like already on there. Yeah, it's just weird. I mostly feel bad for the creators of the, of the shows. And like, yeah, they should have, they should at least give the rights back to the original

creators or sign of some kind of deal. So they could release it in their own way on Blu-ray or something. Because, yeah, like now there is literally no way. Yeah, if you don't want to release it, just don't craft people torrent it. Yeah, like, people are going to torrent it now. Like, I'm not really in favor of torrenting. I don't like that, but like, if that's the only way to watch something, and like, they're not making it available, it's like, okay, well, you've basically left people with no choice but to watch it illegally or on some site where it'll probably be shittier quality because, like, people are going to stream it on like, tune.com or whatever that site is called. You know, some shit like that. Like, that's basically what

you've resulted people to, which is not, that's not right either. you know, and if it was up to the creator, I mean, that's one thing, but yeah, it's like some studio executive who owns the rights. You fucking sell it to somebody else then. Like, sell it for a dollar, give somebody else the rights. Don't prevent people. Right. I'm glad with like my own work and my own films. Like, I own all the rights to it.

I never sold it to anyone because like, you know, I always, like, I think any artist is fearful of that happening. Like, them just, like, burying your work or miss selling it or doing something wrong. Like, at least I own everything I've made if I want to get rid of it or if I want to sell it. can. Like, it's my choice. Yeah, exactly. I'm terrified of selling the rights to buy shit to anyone. That's why I'm not, like, on a label, you know, like, I could really, like, promote myself and do that. You know, like, I've worked with Blondie. I'm sure, like, I, you know, I could get on a label if I really tried, but, like, I'm terrified of just not being able to do what I want with my music or anything I create. I don't like that. I would rather go independent. Yeah, I believe that's, like,

what Harvey Weinstein did with a lot of films. Like, he would buy the rights and then just basically bury them or put them in, like, a vault and, you know, never release them or never, you know, it's something he's done. Like, I think that's something a lot of producers have done. Yeah, they just have no respect for the amount of work that went into it. They just bury it. And something like Backgirl, that's not even out yet. They want to save more money on, like, potential marketing or whatever.

And I guess I understand that. The movie might be bad. I think that's part of it. People saying like, oh, it could be good. I'm like, nah, it's probably not good if they don't want to release it. But, yeah, like, all of these shows that are already on there and they got rid of, like, it's not even like Disney Plus. They have things that are not on there, but they haven't like taken anything off, I believe. Yeah.

I don't think. They're concerned about quality. I mean, they have like the original Fantastic Four on there, I think, and like a bunch of shit. So they don't get cheetah, like, shit from the 80s that like no one cares about. But yeah, I don't know. It's very, it's very, I feel bad for the creators mostly. like that's mostly how I feel. They should have the right to do like what they want with the thing they made mostly.

I guess they didn't put money into it. So this is like fresh after a merger. So now it's Warner Bros. Discovery. And so like there's a new CEO doing this or something. Right? This is like part of their merger result is my understanding at least. It's just some random guy. Yeah, yeah.

And what's weird about it is like, I don't know. Like I've always considered. Warner Brothers to be like pretty good faith, you know, as much as a corporation could be pretty good faith about like media preservation and them like bringing, you know, they had all the access to these like HD quality files of the old Looney Tunes cartoons. And, you know, they famously will say things like, oh yeah, we're going to include, you know, just a little title of being being like, yeah, there's some racist shit here. It's better showing it than pretending it never existed, right? Whereas like Disney's been the one being like, erase history. We were.

never racist, Mickey Mouse, ha-ha. You know, like, so I've always considered Warner Brothers to be like, yeah, this is, you know, this is a company that, like, actually, you know, appears to care about, like, preservation in some way. And now it's like, oh, shit, they're just, like, deleting a bunch of Max Original shows, like, stuff. Like, who, come on. Come on.

So annoying, you know. A lot of this shit happens when, you know, you get, like, a really good company that operates in a way that I like and then they get bought by something else or merged with something else and then it's like oh wow now they're acting exactly like every other shit corporation that I'm used to like fuck this is this is making me concerned about because we're in the streaming age now there's so much content that is locked onto these streaming services and it's some of them don't even have ways to buy them physically so what's going to start happening in a few decades like some of this stuff is just going to start like just disappearing into the ether

and there'll be no way of even... Archive everything. Yeah. Yeah, that's a... That's a lame kind of byproduct of this strategy of releasing content, I guess. Yeah, you just have to archive everything. Yeah. I suppose on a kind of similar note,

Pup Ping Pitch says, how would you handle the shitstorm around the Flashes release that Ezra Miller caused if you were Warner Bros. exec? So I guess that's what the Batgirl thing is confusing me, because that movie, that's, as far as I'm aware, they haven't canceled it as of us recording it, like, publicly. No. They were filming reshoots for Ezra Miller in between their arrests. Which is crazy.

Like, in between, like, being in jail. Like, they were like, hey, can you come back for it? You've got a promise. You're not going to go back to jail. And they're like, yes. Yes, Warner Brothers. And then they just, then now they're beating up people in a different state. Yeah, so they apologized?

Yeah. Like, fuck, how many months later? That gives us shit. That means nothing. Yeah. Damage is done. Yeah, right. For the things he did, there's no, like, apologizing.

It's not like minor shit he did. Like, lock a kids in his house with guns. Yeah, there's a lot of weird shit. It's like, yeah, there's no, yeah, there's no, like, apologizing for that at this point, I feel. But, you know, I don't think they should. I just, I don't, they could do whatever the fuck they want. I'm not going to see that shit in theaters. I might watch on HBO Max.

I hate their character so much and their portrayal of that character so much and find it so annoying. It's the most annoying shit in the world. It is bad. The Flash is terrible in the Justice League. He's so fucking bad. And both versions. Like, I love a good train wreck, but I want to come out of the movie like alive.

I want to come out of it like with a brain so yeah I can't do it that that character in that movie yeah sucks I'm not watching that in theaters fucking release that on HMAX make that a max original yeah they're kind of stuck aren't they but yeah they're trying to like rebrand they've invested so much money like what are you supposed to you're just going to eat that like really

it's a whole production it's like fucking hundreds of people involved in making these things. Right. Right. It might be worth it for the longevity of like the DC brand because they're trying to compete with Marvel again. They're trying to like reinvent themselves after the Snyder cut and all that like shit and Batman versus Justice League, Batman versus Superman. And like maybe it's worth it to do that.

But at the same time, it's like, you know, I don't know what to do. It's a very complicated situation because I feel like no one's going to see this movie. Yeah. I'm pretty sure Michael Keaton's in it. Yeah, Michael Keaton's in it is Batman. So he's Batman now again. I believe Michael Keith was in Batgirl also, I think. Maybe not, but I feel like I saw him on a name on a list.

I feel like people would see it, though. I feel like it's such a like dramatic fame to exist now. Maybe that's what they're trying to figure out now. They're doing like focus testing to see like if people would still see the movie. Like how many people know, how many people actually care? Because in the long, in the grand scheme of things, like these. movies make billions of dollars. They're released in like different countries. Who knows if people are like as aware of what's going on is like we are where we're looking on like the internet

all the time. Like it might not even matter for something like that. Like people might not even give a shit. Like people who even know they'll be like, oh, I'll see it anyway because it's the flash. I got to bring my my family to see something. Like, you know, there's so many other factors there. I, you know, it's very confusing to me. I don't know why you'd want to release the movie. I'm just looking at the cast listing on 9DB. It's got Michael Shannon in there, Ben Affleck, Michael Keaton. It wasn't like a small like throwaway kind of Batgirl type project. Like they were clearly a lot like riding on this.

It's such a strange situation. Yeah. That actress too plays Backgirl. I like never seen her in anything before. Like I had no idea who she was. It wasn't like Galgado. I think Galgado was in like the Fast Infuriatorious movie. movies before and they set her up in Batman versus Superman. So I think people knew who she was

by the time they made Wonder Woman and that's like why it was successful. Like I don't think anyone knows who this bad girl is. Like I don't think anyone knows the actress. I don't think anyone cares. But yeah, maybe they could have just released on HBO Max or something. I wish I had an answer. Very complicated. I'm eager to find out what decision they are going to make that because they're going to have to decide, like, at some point. Mm-hmm. All right. One last question.

Okay, let's do this final one from Mersh, 7,850. I've been catching up on this podcast over the course of a year on my fucking phone. Listening to you guys, help me get over the mind-numbing boredom of work. The city of Albuquerque recently unveiled statues of Walter White and Jesse Pinkman at our local community center. to commemorate the show for all that it's done for our economy and film industry. However, a considerable amount of people are upset about the presence of these statues, especially some of our GOP candidates, thinking they gave our city a bad image for glorifying fictional drug dealers.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Yeah, I think it's fine. They're characters in a show. They're actors. Yeah, there's plenty of real statues of people that are not very good. actors wearing, it's a statue of actors wearing costumes. So, yeah, I would expect it. I was kind of shut.

When I heard that they were putting a statue there of those characters, I was like, oh, really? That doesn't sound like something that you'd have. But it's pretty cool. It's unique. It's based, you know, bring in some tourism or something and stop crying and stop virtue signaling. Very interesting choice.

I don't know. I'm fine with it. It's a statue of Rocky and Philly. Yeah, why not? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Rocky's like more of a good guy, I guess. But he beats people up!

It's the characters. That's glorifying violence! Yeah, you can say that. It's just like characters. Yeah, it's like it's a creation of a person. You can say it's like just celebrating the person's creation of a character. Yeah. Celebrating the story and its relevance in pop culture.

Yeah. It's not saying, come on, everyone. Let's be a meth dealers now. Yeah It's not promoting math dealers, right? Yeah, they're really silly, really stupid All right, yeah, well, people are going to be dumb, so I guess that was it for questions

We got a recommendation, I believe it's from Ralph Um Oh, it's my turn So I would like to point out, uh, we only have a week to watch But since I don't think we're, you know, there might not be other like stuff coming out in theaters that, you know, to fill up a first part of the podcast. If you did have a double feature, I wouldn't be opposed to kind of give us like an extra thing

to. Are you guys okay with a double feature? I'm comfortable with you. If you got one in mind. Okay. It could be a trilogy too. I don't know. So I'll recommend this because I was thinking about this.

I'll recommend the Michael Bay films Bad Boys 1 and 2. Okay. Okay. Okay, shit. And there's a third one, which I haven't seen. If you want to talk about that one, I guess we could. But I don't, sure. It could even like a brief discussion.

You can just like glance through it. But I mainly want to talk about the first two because those are Michael Bay movies. Interesting, yeah. The Bad Boys trilogy. Yeah. There we go. Those have 4K. Yeah, 4K.

Yeah, 4K transfers. So that would be the first Michael Bay? We think so. As a recommendation, yeah. Definitely for recommendation. I think we've talked about like Transformers too. Yeah, that's right. Those would be fun, yeah.

Okay. Okay, cool. Let's do Bad Boys 1 and 2. Awesome. Great. Thanks for the recommendation. If you don't want to be spoiled for the bad boys, we're probably going to talk about all three,

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