Sardonicast - Sardonicast 122: Bodies Bodies Bodies, Nosferatu, Nosferatu the Vampyre

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

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Three, two, one. God save the king. This is Sardonicast, and since the last time we recorded, there was a different monarch and a different prime minister, I think. Because it was a while since we recorded less. It was the same week. You're bringing it back up. You're making me upset. I just played trombone champ, and they, I guess, last minute changed the lyrics to God Save the King in that song.

I thought that was pretty amusing. Wow, that was quick. Yeah. It's a new game. This is Sardonicast. I'm Adam from your movie Sex. Hello. I'm Ralph from Italy, which is elected a fascist.

Oh, yeah. Brutta. Yeah, and I'm Alex from Ritchie. Okay. Yeah, now I'm upset and I'm sad. What you bring out. These delicate memories. Yeah.

That's pretty funny. It's two So yeah if we count Italy Is your country You got far right A female prime minister or president What does Italy have? President?

Yeah Prime Minister But at least it's a woman That's the first woman And then we also got Liz Truss For Prime Minister of Yeah United Kingdom

Hanland Thatcher we call her Okay Yeah And she's also a fascist right And then I've still got I've still got Mr. Blackface which is fun. What a trilogy.

Yeah, we've got the best people representing us. And then Alex, you still have a monarchy for some reason. Yeah, it is weird getting used to saying that we have a king now. That makes it sound even more. Like out of date. But it was crazy. As far as how it affected my movie going experience, I went to see bodies, bodies, bodies.

and I think it was like the day after it happened or something, that it happened being the queen dying. And like the ads played as normal and the movie was about to start. Oh, no. And then a portrait of the queen flashes on the screen. Just in complete silence. She's haunting you. It's like a...

Yeah, but it was like such a... I don't think anyone in the audience was expecting it. That's when you clap. Because, you know, you're like, yeah, it's like, so it was complete silence, a couple sniggers. People were like, they were like waiting for their, they're like horror movie, you know, bodies, bodies, bodies. It's like, completely detached. So it was like a really weird, like, moment for me.

That's very funny. Kind of came home as like how bizarre this, this is. Like, what do you want me to do in response to seeing this? It's really quite, quite strange. All of this happened when I was. was at TIF and my parents had the television on because I do TIF with my parents because they live in a different province. We like to do that together every year. And they have the television on as like background noise or whatever like in between movies or like grabbing a bite at the Airbnb or whatever.

And it was just non-fucking stop. Like the entire like rest of the time that we were in Toronto for like weeks or it felt like we were there for like another week and a half after she died. And it was just like nonstop, like, what are we going to do? And it's like, this is Canada. Like, I guess, yeah, technically we're a part of the monarchy. But it's like, what's really the issue here? Like, what are we going to do? The Queen's dead. It's like, oh, no, she was responsible for so much. Society's going to collapse. It's like, yeah, it's part of the design of the monarchy. Such a tragedy to die at like 90 something years old, having like all that wealth in your life. Just go into parties on other people's taxpayer money.

Oh, what a tragedy you died. Like, the oldest a human could possibly hope to live for. Wow, it's such a tragedy. Yeah. A peaceful privileged death. Yeah, it was a weird one. Yeah, I always forget about, like, how many royalists there are out there. It's crazy!

I'm not really included in it, but man, people, they're really attached. loyalist to these ideas. It's, yeah, it's really, it really just goes to show how much tradition and norms and taboo and societal expectation plays a role on people's lives. Like, as individuals, we don't think that that's the case. As individuals, we all have our own minds, but then you look at human beings as like numbers and statistics. It's like, holy shit, there's a lot of you.

Like, I may, maybe I just don't. interact with you on a daily basis because you can choose who you interact with but like holy shit normie world it's crazy you can't believe in you know me world yeah no because now and again we'll see like polls of people who support you know the royal family and it's still pretty split down the middle it's not the crate like it depends on age groups but like yeah broadly there's still an overwhelming amount of support for the concept which is kind of mental to me normie world says you're country just shutting down or what?

Is it ever going to recover? Well, I was always told or read that you got like five days off when the queen dies, but it turned into just the day of the funeral was a bank holiday. Oh, was that like a promise? Like, was that a thing that you're supposed to get? Or was that just a rumor or, like, you know? I don't know. Because it was also her Jubilee, like, earlier in the year.

And I read some article that was like, in case of the queen's death that he, Here's like a compilation of things that are supposed to happen or things that might happen. Because of course it's been so long since a royal family member at the top has died. So like the protocol might have changed since then. But yeah, only wound up being one day off as opposed to the week I was promised. She ruled from Winston Churchill to Liz Truss. Yeah, she's seen some crazy or she'd seen some. Yeah, the degradation.

should have a time of a... She didn't do much, but we really needed her. Clearly. Normie World sounds like a theme part. That should open. Sounds like Clark Griswold should, like, be going there. Yeah. That's all I had to add.

David Lynch's Dumbland. Yeah. I still haven't seen that. I don't know what, if I even should. Dumbland. Yeah. That's... The world is different, I guess.

No, that's not. Everything's changing, but it's the same, I guess. Nothing changes. The same shit. Well, we all saw bodies, bodies, bodies, might as well talk about it since Alex mentioned it. Bodies times three. I like saying that.

Yeah, like, my friend said that. I'm like, oh, that's good. So you don't have to say bodies three times. Yeah. Yeah, bodies cubed. Mm-hmm. Like, oh no, technically that would be like nine bodies then? No, it's like, yeah, bodies times three.

That's like the best way to say it. Bodies triple three. Yeah, triple X. Triple Bodies. Triple X. Um, yeah. It was good. I saw it like before it came out in like a park setting.

It was like an early showing. I'm like, oh, this is cool. I'll go. What do you mean by park setting? It's like in a park. Like, literally they hung up like a screen in the park. It was like an inflatable screen. And they showed the movie and the cast was there.

Oh, cool. Rachel Smollett. What's her for? Tenet. Smollett. Yeah. She was there. She, you know, and she acts like, you know, how she always should.

She's like, wow, enjoy the movie. I'm like, wow, okay. She was really funny in, um, uh, shit. What's the fucking movie called? I'm going to have to look it up. Sheva baby. She was really funny in that. And she was funny in this too. I thought she was like one of the best parts.

She was so really funny. She was my favorite character channeling that kind of zoomer energy. Yeah. Yeah. She was the best line with the body dysmorphia line. Oh yeah. That's the one like the whole park audience like responded to really well. Like they laughed at that.

It's like a huge crowd there. Yeah. I thought the movie was good. Yeah, me too. Solid. Yeah. Some people didn't like it. I enjoyed it.

And I'm not sure. Maybe they don't like the ending, but the ending makes sense. Yeah, without spoiling anything. The ending, I thought the ending was pretty good. And I can see how some people might have seen it coming, but I, my mind wasn't there. And so I was able to experience it naturally. And either way, it's funny. It's, yeah, it's a good ending.

Yeah, it is horror comedy. Because, like, some of the complaints I was saying that it was like, it was like, It's just, it's an expected kind of horror movie with your teens trapped in a house sort of thing. I thought it did kind of everything in its power to avoid a lot of the kind of stereotypical horror cliches that would normally bog something like this down. Like I was guessing the whole time, you know, like it kept me guessing and was going in unpredictable directions. And the comedy was like buttressing any time. I was like not really into the what else was going on. And it's just so short too.

It just moves so quick. True. Hour 34 minutes. I thought that it was pretty... I thought that the cliches and tropes were there, but it had better excuses than other films that use those same cliches and tropes. So, you know, like, the car won't start saying, like, I like that it was the vanity mirror that did.

I was like, oh, that makes sense. It adds to the character. It's believable. It's not just like, I don't know. There's so many other movies where it's just like, oh, they don't justify it or it's for a stupid reason. Like, someone played a prank or like, I don't know. Like, creating believable situations makes it better.

Even if the movie as a whole, you're not supposed to believe, like, the entire narrative. And there's tons about it that, you know, seems silly as it is a comedy. I thought that in general, it was like really smart writing, honestly. The characters were believable for the most part. Yeah. It was pretty good. There's a hurricane going on. Yeah.

Yeah, the hurricane is the excuse they don't leave the house. It's why they don't have cell phone. Phone, yeah, because that's like a big thing in horror movies now. It's like, why don't you just call the police? That's why any movie, like, after 19, like a certain date, like doesn't work. Yeah. Just like, just call the police. But not only is there a hurricane, they're like intentionally going there.

Exactly. It's like a hurricane party. I love it. Yeah, like, oh, we're going to cut herself off from the movie because they're so stupid. Yeah. Well, because they're dumb asses. All the. Well, it's like, I think the idea is like, oh, the hurricane's going to happen.

Let's all hunker down and have a party anyway. And then, yeah, everybody is just high and drunk and coked out of their mind the whole movie. And it's really fun. They're just like yelling at each other. In a mansion, yeah, because they're like rich kids. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's what I liked about the ending without spoiling it is it is the nice full stop that

just kind of brings the, all the characters kind of wind up in a pretty ugly place. And I think the reveal at the end kind of just, I don't know, it hammers home and just adds the kind of pointlessness to the conflict and where it goes, like, in a funny comedic way. Because, yeah, the genuine nature of how they kind of all perform, like, that can be such a pitfall when you're trying to write, like, characters of this age that are, like, always on their phones. They're, like, quoting, like, cringy stuff off Twitter or whatever. But it works. Seems self-aware. They feel like real characters. Like very much.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, let's making fun of that generation. It's like a huge, like, but it's also made for like that audience, which is like perfect. It rides that line just perfectly. I'm glad that it captured it somewhat authentically. It didn't feel like, it didn't feel like Michael Goy, Megan is missing or, you know, like it didn't feel like people who are just like so detached from things that they have no idea what they're talking about.

It's like, okay, you actually care about the subject matter. And you're using it comedically and it's there, but you have like some of a grasp on it at least. Uh-huh. Right. Well, yeah, like the audience I was there with are basically like around the demo of the movie, like the middle of Brooklyn, like a bunch of like, you know, pretentious Gen Z, whatever. Zoomers. It's like, okay.

It's like exactly who it's made for. It's like, yeah. And it's like making fun of you. at the same time, it's like, yeah, it's like, okay, these are just characters in the movie, this is how they act. And yeah, that's what makes it, like, kind of believable, like, the whole situation. They're not just, like, movie characters. And, yeah, like, so many movies.

Like, why is this person doing this? Like, Prometheus, like, why are the scientists, like, you know, why is the guy who made the map, like, lost in a TV world? Whereas these characters are all idiots. Yeah, exactly. These are, they're all idiots and they're high, right? And they're drunk. And it's like the middle of the night.

They're not thinking clearly. Yeah, it's funny, but it's also like, it makes sense why all these things happen. Yeah, when they do something stupid, it's not like, oh, why aren't you doing this other thing? It's like, oh, they're so stupid. Like, it's part of the joke. It's part of the experience. Yeah.

They're just dumb. Poor decisions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unless you care about what's happening at the same time. Like, it's not like a thing where, I don't know, you're like, oh, I don't give a fuck

about any of these people. Like, you do actually like, like, there were certain characters I like. I like the girl from, I think she's in Borat, too. That was the only other thing I see her. Oh, I didn't know that was her. She's like one of those. That's crazy. Yeah.

I thought she was the girl from Evan Hanson. Yeah, you know, she was, yeah, like her girlfriend. Yeah, I didn't even twig that. Yeah. I thought, I thought she was the killer the whole time. Like, oh, man, is it? But, you know, it's like, it goes a different direction. Crazy she was nominated for an Oscar for Borat, too, but whatever.

Yeah, that's weird. It's crazy. I really like the boyfriend character of the girl from Shiva Baby. Like, I like that kid, the G.I. Joe. Oh, yeah. I really like that character. That was great. It was a great addition.

And I loved the casting of it, just like this clearly older guy hanging out with these younger people. Yeah. It was a really fun dynamic. It's her boyfriend. She met on like Tinder or something. Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome.

I am one of those people that I guess cares so little about like random celebrity gossip nonsense that I had not actually I didn't even know that that was Pete Davidson in the film until after. Oh really? I didn't know what Pete Davidson looked like. He didn't recognize him. No, I know he'd been in like one other movie that I hadn't seen. He was in the King of Staten Island or something.

I don't like that movie very much. This was much better for him. Again, he's playing a dumbass. And yeah, I thought he was good at him. Yeah, he worked well for this movie. I had no expectations of who he was before watching the movie. Yeah. It's the best thing I've seen him in, definitely.

I think a bunch of Kanye fans don't like him. Really? I don't know. Oh, because he's with Kim Kardashian. Because Kanye is mentally unstable, and he encourages people to act irrationally. Like any good artist. Yeah. like any good maniac

yeah I liked him in the movie I liked everybody I thought like the cast was like stellar great cast great performance industry yeah the cast was awesome for it yeah

I think that it also looked really great I think that like the lighting and just overall like color of the film cameras all of those where their phone lights right yeah those glow sticks they're wearing

yeah it's largely a bottle movie, isn't it? Like, most of it is in the mansion, so it's reusing a lot of, like, same locations. It's, yeah. A fun, tight, simple movie that doesn't take itself way too seriously and is a lot smarter than films that do. Yeah. Yeah, I can see how it's not for everybody, but some people might get annoyed at certain

things in it, but... Older people. I bet older people will. Yeah. Although, I think older people will like it. People who like the monarchy. Yeah. But also to like that point, like, I think older people would like it because it's like,

all right, you hate the younger generation, right? You get to see them all kill each other. Like, I thought, I think that old people would like it in that way, right? Like, oh, I get to see all these idiots kill each. Yeah. Like, that's great. Still like a who done it kind of structure. That kept me going too throughout the whole thing, like trying to figure out who it was.

Oh, yeah. Well, that's like the driving force of it. Yeah. Like, yeah, you're in, like, the whole time you're wondering, like, who is it? It doesn't really feel like, you're like, oh, is it this character? Like, you're not sure the entire time. It does keep that unpredictability. Like, I didn't really see the ending coming.

Like, that's not something I, I was in that framework of, like, scream. Like, I guess the most thing I'd compare it to is scream. And like, yeah, it's just like, who, who's the killer? Who's the killer? That's, like, what you're thinking the whole time. You're trying to figure it out. Yeah, I was waiting for it to kind of devolve more into, like, a, traditional kind of slasher like okay we know what the what or who the bad is now now it's

kind of a montage of just people being taken out one by one more like a uh what would it called x that's like another oh 24 kind of which is great to that's supposed to be like kind of cliche yeah that's like the it's a point of that but yeah this is like a little more grounded yeah just like the direction it took it and the comedy angle definitely helps it like we're at a point now with horror where we really are, you have to get creative with a look. Like it is just, it's cliche on cliche, like stacked on top of each other. And there's so many different pitfalls. And yeah, just for the creative angle they take for it to be unpredictable for the humor to not feel trite and actually land and, you know, the drunk and high acting to be as good and sell as well

as it does. I was, yeah, I was quite impressed. I like the soundtrack too. I'm a big fan of disaster piece. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they did that. Oh, they did it. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. I like to squire for it. True.

Yeah, not too much else to say about this movie. It's pretty simple. It's not too complicated. It's a nice, nice, simple movie that I guess we would all recommend. We all seem to enjoy it. I'm giving this one a seven out of ten. We'll see how it is on a second watch.

I give it a seven as well. Out of five? Yeah, seven out of ten, yeah. Yeah, I think I'm right there with you like a kind of high seven out of ten, three and a half star. Yeah. We got trip sevens, everybody. We got a jackpot. Oh, yeah.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. All right. We've got, I guess, like a tiny thing of movie news we can. can mention. The Northman was profitable. So essentially we're correcting, or I guess updating to what we were talking about on a different episode. We were saying how the Northman was kind of a flop and didn't make its money back.

Now, apparently, it was profitable due to home video sales, possibly also physical media sales. I was actually shocked that it had a 4K physical Blu-ray based on, you know, theatrically, were like oh nobody bought it so you'd almost expect for them not to do it yeah I got the 4k Bluray too yeah so I'm happy for it it deserved it yeah history will be kind to the film hopefully yeah it was a success ultimately yeah hopefully this means Eggers can continue getting proper funding for his films although even if the Northman was a flop I think you would probably still find funding even if he's he's

He's not really looking to do anything that big again anyway is what he was saying. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe this changed things, you know, because at first people were like, it bombed and it isn't a bomb really. And I think it also just says something about like the landscape of film, how it's very different now. Like a lot of people watch things at home. And, you know, it's not just about the theatrical ticket sales.

It's about VOD and all these other things streaming. Like, you know, the great film. Morbius, found a home on Netflix. True. Maybe more people are watching it there now. It's number one, which, you know, I don't know how true that is. After it found a home on Twitch. Yeah, after it found a home in the dumpster.

Yeah, that's what, I guess that's where I get lost is because it was like a month or two ago, there was this, um, clip of Matt Damon, like in some, I think it was like a Hot Ones interview or something. Oh. Where he was like talking about how the move, like streaming and movies and like murdering the secondhand kind of well the DVD market is like affecting the way films are being greenlit and released because there's not that kind kind of second wave of dependable cash it can come in in the same way yeah I've seen that too

streaming yeah but I guess this kind of goes against that in some ways if you know if the northman can do it maybe it's just a small niche of films that were able to make some of their cash back if they're that good enough or fulfill that kind of. What if the Northman was immediately successful if it had only been on digital platforms and not theatrical? What if the reason it wasn't successful is because it was theatrical? It's a very big cost. I mean, it's possible.

I don't know about that. Who knows? Yeah, it's weird now where like a post the 2020 kind of era where it's basically what we were seeing. like films were coming out day and day almost The new Knives Out out is just Netflix

as far as I know Yeah I think you're right You know I thought You know Movies will Yeah yeah you saw it Tiff

Movies will You know I saw like a theater release That might be limited It just depends on the movie really Like there's movies Like horror movies See that do well in the theater

People like the crowd I saw barbarian The crowd was going Fucking nuts starring it Like they loved it You know But like that's the kind of movie. You want to watch the crowd. It just depends on the movie. Or like Top Gun.

You know, that did that did like astronomically well. Like, I don't think you could have something like that on VOD. I mean, maybe you can, but I don't know. I saw someone watching it on the plane, but you're right. It's a better theater movie. Yeah. That must be an immersive experience. Yeah, watching it on a plane because you're flying like Tom Cruise. Yeah. You're flying like Tom Cruise. You're like, we. Watch the 9-11 movie on a plane. Yeah, watch you 9-93. No.

I don't think they have that. They probably won't have that available. Yeah, watch it on your phone. Yeah, I guess I just don't, I don't really get how they figure out or do the conversion. It's just like the different business models, isn't it? It's like, if Morbius gets X many views on Netflix or wherever they put it, does that, like, make up, like, how does that make up the dollar? if it's a subscription service. It's just a difficult way of measuring success,

especially when it's been such a like, it's been one way for so long. Like you buy the DVD, this amount goes as profit per sale, but now it's like a completely different landscape, but it's difficult to even measure it. I think there's two ways of measuring it. One way would be new subscribers,

so HBO Max logged that for certain title release. like Snyder Cut or whatever. They're like, okay, here's how many people signed up to our service to see it. Whereas Netflix, I think a lot of what they're paying attention to because they are the dominating streaming service, they're not going to see a lot of like huge waves of people signing up for a title. Yeah. But what they are going to see is just people watching a title and how long they watch a title.

And with that information, they would decide like, okay, this means that people are still using the service, the more people, the more content people are watching, the more value our subscribers are getting out of the service, which is why they want everything to be like a huge long series so that it takes longer for people to watch it. The more stuff that people have yet to watch, the more stuff that's still on their watch list, the more it means like, oh, okay, well, they can't cancel right now because they still have things that they're watching. So I think that's basically how they determine value. And then a certain percentage of the subscriber money goes towards the films with clicks.

Although they might also just buy out outright films. I don't know if they get commission. I think they'll also do outright buys. I think it's both. I think they just sell the movie to them. Like the studio sells the movie to Netflix. And then like depending on how it does, they make a little extra. Yeah.

I think it's something like that. Ideally, yeah. Yeah. It would suck to like sell your movie to Netflix. And then it's like the biggest hit ever and you don't see anything more because of it. So I would hope that the artists get commissioned. Yeah, but I think they can predict that. Yeah.

I don't know how that works exactly, right? Yeah, I would hope that they get commissioned. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, clearly a profitable way to release movies. The whole like content bloat trend is unfortunate though, like as a result of this, this switch to stream. Oh, yeah. Like, it's obviously going to affect the content. Yeah, so many shows could be much shorter than they all.

are or like can be just be movies i hear nothing but like things about the star war shows that's like yeah it's like why is this a show it's too long yeah they feel like stretched out movies it's bizarre it's to keep you subscribed it's it's to have it stay in the news cycle every week for two months yeah right do we need like a she hulk series obviously can it just be a movie do we need a she like all these things like they don't need to be serious that is one of the craziest like new media things, you know? Like, 10 years ago I was like, ah, everything's a superhero movie.

Now it's like, oh, everything's a superhero television show. But like the early 2000s, like there was kind of a stigma almost attached with TV or long form. Oh, yeah. It was seen as lesser than like a movie. Right. Like, that's where the budget goes. But now you have like billion dollar Lord of the Rings shows.

It's crazy how it spun. Yeah. I think Game of Thrones really helped with that one. Yeah, Game of Thrones. Like that new house to the dragon thing is like, $20 million an episode or something. But like getting back to your point out, it's like movie actors, like if you were in a TV show, that would be considered like the end of your career.

Like, oh, so from now on, you're a TV actor. You're not a movie actor. But now it's like an overlap. Like people actually want to do TV much more. It's like much more of a overlap. Yeah, that Lord of the Rings show, that's fucking crazy. It's like a $150 million in episode or something. It's like a billion dollar season.

It's only eight episodes. I'm like, how can you possibly make your money back on that? I think they spent, I'm going to fact check this. I think that I was a bit confused on that too. I think they spent a billion dollars total combining the rights to make the series. And I think it's expected that it should be like four or five seasons. And I don't know how much of that money got elegant. I don't know if it's a billion dollars for the first season.

I would hope not. But I'll fact check that at some point. Yeah, maybe that's including marketing as well. I think it's a lot. spent a lot of money. I was checking it. It seems like a lot. Yeah.

I'm like, there's no way you can see that money back. Like, on a streaming platform, like, are the amount of subscribers? You're getting worth it. Like,

most people have prime for, you know, the shipping, right? When they're talking about like season four or five, you know, and like half of one season is out. It's like just,

Matt, just chill. IGN says rings of power reportedly cost almost $60 million dollars per episode, which is almost double the price of season. season four episodes and quadruful the cost of episodes in Game of Thrones final season. 60 million per episode, that is a lot.

What, times eight? Eight episodes. So that's, I mean, it probably, it's probably more for some episodes, honestly. It's probably like a range. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are about $100 million. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. There's not, there's not even movies that cost that much, really. Like, I don't think, yeah, that's like, it's almost, that's a half a billion dollars, basically.

Yeah, it's a lot. It's like Avengers cost $250 million. For what? Like, you're not going to get that back. It's a lot of money for a streaming service that no one has because of the shows, but everyone has because they already have Amazon Prime. I don't know why they're spending, like, why even spend money on your content? People just have it because they already have Amazon Prime.

No one's getting Amazon Prime to see the new Rings of Power Show. Right. I watched it because I already have it. I already have primal. Like, might as well watch it. Yeah, that's what they're trying to go for. I don't know where the money went either. There's no stars in it. It's not like big actors or anything. Yeah. Yeah. And like, yeah, Game of Thrones looks equally as good, if not better. Game of Thrones looks a bit better.

Production value-wise. Yeah. We'll get more into a detail about rings of power when the show's over. We'll discuss it. Yeah, it's only like half a minute. I know. Yeah. In a month or whatever. I don't know if I want to watch any more of that. I watch two.

I'm like, that's enough for me. I'm going through the whole thing with Gael, who is a Lord of the Rings nerd. So, like, every scene he gets to tell me, like, oh, the distance between these two locations actually isn't accurately represented here. And on the map, it doesn't make sense that they would be over here. And this is actually this thing from the Similililion. like, oh. So I get to watch him like nerd out and die a little inside at the same time.

It's great. I only parked up whenever they said a sauron. I'm like, oh, I know who that is. And then it went right back to like blank face expression as I watch it. Yeah, it's a weird one for sure. I think if you're both comfortable with it, I think it's about time to do our film recommendation part. Yeah.

Yeah, that was uncomfortable. I'm super comfy. I'm going to, wait, let me get my comfy chair. I'm getting comfed up right now. I'm the opposite of comfortable with how frightening these scary vampire movies are. Am I right, guys? That was my recommendation. Yeah.

Going back. Halloween. Go back 100 years. 100 years plucked. It's the spooky month when this is released publicly. I went back to 1922. Yeah. Nospharatu.

There it is. The vampire. classic, the one that kicked it off. It's a simple story. A vampire wants to move in and basically wants to eat the wife of the state agent who's having him. That's the story. He wants to eat her.

What's to eat her. Yeah. But yeah, it's kind of another one of those osmosis type movies that I'm sure a lot of people, our generation, our first introduction, would have been the SpongeBob. of gag at the end of that episode. No, Suratu. No, Surrata. Yeah, that was definitely my introduction to the character.

Yeah, I'm like, who is that guy? Yeah. My dad's like, it's a movie. You gotta see it. It's from 1922, so it's the oldest movie we talked about. It's a hundred years old. A hundred years old this year. Yeah, that is crazy.

Yeah. That is cool. Yeah. As I was watching it, it was kind of like, it was putting me into perspective of like, some of my favorite movies are like from the 1970s and then I thought about how old I am and how much long I have left to live and I'm like there's a chance that I'll be alive during the time when like the Holy Mountain turns 100 and I'll and if that's still like my favorite movie I'll be like my favorite movie is a hundred like what kind of a person yeah has a hundred year old movie is their favorite movie right now not many but there'll be a bunch like you know there'll be a bunch yeah 50 years. Yeah, they'll start piling up more and more. Landscape of film really changed. Well, because, yeah, if we're talking about 20s film, it's silent.

So we're talking like Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton sort of era. So, well, the dialogue is in the pop-ups with the text because they couldn't record audio in the same way. A lot of the imagery you might know from, as far as the osmosis kind of points concerned, like they're the famous shots of Nosferatu's shadows coming up the stairs. and him coming out of the coffins and whatnot. It's all like imagery that's been parodied and referenced beyond belief and inspired so many different filmmakers over the years.

But it's also kind of a double period piece because not only is it the setting of the film is 1838, so they're all dressed up in the older clothes and act a certain way, but the film's obviously made in the 20s, so contrasting, especially when you got on to the 70s Nosferatu it was a fun experience seeing how far kind of film in and of itself had progressed

over the decades and seeing the changes and just the advancement of production. Yeah. But yes, I don't know, there's one of those, though. There's still very much a film from the 20s. It's short, but it kind of plods along in that kind of way.

A lot of people, I guess, consider it sort of a masterpiece and it's essential to the history of film and everything that came from it. And a lot of the drama behind the scenes, like I don't think they had real permission to make the movie as far as licensing. It's concerned. So it's kind of like it's been like the original prints

have been like burned and lost multiple times but then have been like backed up from other copies that were available because of the legal licensing of the original novel and them claiming parody, but not really being parody enough and all this kind of stuff. So over the decades, it's kind of settled into being this classic. Yeah, I enjoyed it for what it's worth. It's just once we get to a certain period of film, that it does, like, the needle goes more and to appreciate than,

like, being on the edge of my seat, like, getting engaged in the characters, engaged in the story beat by beat in the way it might a more contemporary movie with my more modern sensibilities I guess but yeah I liked it I think for me it kind of depends also on genre I've seen a few chaplain films and I'm trying to figure out what the oldest chaplain film I watched was because I enjoyed a few of those and those were you know silent movies. I think I watched the... Yeah, I enjoyed the kid.

The kid is... Yeah. One year before this. I just think that, like, comedy transcends time a bit better than horror. Well, physical comedy.

Yeah, not political comedy. That would be... Yeah. That's cool. Not... It doesn't really transcend time as much. But, yeah, physical... There's a universality to,

you know, like, I guess, like, funny situations or like funny actions, I guess. Yeah, him hanging off the clock or whatever. Yeah, his like... That will always kind of... The potato.

...resinate. And especially in things like physical comedy, the title cards indicating narrative, it doesn't really take away too much from the experience when you're writing. Because that's not... Those are kind of just getting you from point A to point B of these, like, comedy set pieces.

And then the... comedy set piece is just allowed to play in a way where it feels like you don't even need dialogue to explain it for the majority of what the film is. But then a film like this, this Nosferatu, it's like the dialogue is pretty important. It does feel like it's kind of stilted and interrupted for most of it because of the format. Although I will say when he's reading, when they're reading like the book passages and the diary and stuff, doesn't interrupt it at all because you're reading it with them. Yeah. And you're just It's basically it might as well be a perspective shot.

It didn't even need to be a title card. You could have just shown the piece of paper. Same thing. And that worked well. But yeah, not really into, I guess, the format for this genre. And I wasn't really scared by anything. I liked some of the shadow shots. And I guess some of the character design, but it was not really for me.

I found it to be kind of poorly structured. Yeah. That's what worked about it for me, actually, was like, It's very visually strong. Like, it looks, it's got a good, creepy look to it. And like, we're saying a lot of iconic imagery and, like, production design. Yeah, that's what really works about it for me. I'm like, oh, this looks creepy. It's got, like, that black and white, old school look that, you know, a lot of movies

don't have now because there's no reason to have it because technology has progressed so far. But yeah, it's like, well, yeah, it's definitely like of a different time. Yeah. I also really like the music for this movie. And that's another thing that's like It's got this kind of layer of mystery to it Which makes the movie kind of like

Kind of creepy too Like you don't really know The score is partially lost basically The original musical score Because you know what it came out They just composed it orchestrated it in the theater You know

It's an orchestra there Because there's no sound And then yeah like A lot of that got lost And so like You know they try to reconstruct it now And it's like Yeah they try faithfully

Some of it's the original Yeah it's like as faithful as it can be, but, you know, it's not the exact same. And, you know, over time, people have composed their own versions of it. Like, you can watch this movie with different scores, basically, and, you know, like different composers with their own interpretation of it. I'm like, oh, that's the music's such a cool thing about it. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, right. I especially like the music during the accidental finger cut scene where Nospheratu goes and sucks his thumb, pretty much. Um, that's when I really picked up for me. Honestly, it was like the first 20 minutes when there is no, you haven't really seen the vampire yet. Um, yeah, once you get to the scene change, that's when I started getting way more involved for that second act, I guess it was.

I really liked the music on its own, but with the film, I feel like it kind of took away from any kind of like fear that I might be experiencing. The tone of it is not like, scary. to me. It's more, I don't know, it reminds me of like almost kind of like Looney Tunes stuff. Like there's something, there's nothing like unsettling about, yeah, there's like this old, this layer of like everything that we associate that type of music with right now is done so with like a level of irony. Not to suggest that they're. Yeah, but just think about how old this movie is. Like, you know, all of the things we have in music now. Yeah, but at the same time, I don't

believe I don't believe that just a music being old means that it is, uh, you know, not, that I'm not able to take it seriously because like, I'm familiar with the music from psycho, which was like, what, 20 years later? When was psycho? No, wait, that was 40 years later. That was the 60s. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, a lot of what we associate now with like scary music or like good horror scores is like didn't even exist then. Like, those things were not. part of the general knowledge of like composers or however you want to phrase it. It's like it's totally unique. Like that's again, that's something I like about it.

It's not relying on like a lot of the tropes we see now with like horror scores. It's very different. I feel like without music, a lot of the scenes would have been more effective and scary for me. Yeah. There's just no way of like knowing like, again, like I would have like sound but... Trying to cost yourself back a hundred years. Exactly. It's difficult to envision because, like, it was, like, this is a movie that at the time

was considered so scary because of its excessive horror that it was banned in Sweden. Nice. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to cast yourself back that far, like, culturally. It's impossible. It's literally not possible.

Like, you can't. Nobody knows what the fuck. Like, we have historical accounts. We have interpretations from experts and we have, like, our own imagination. but like, you don't know what it's like to live as someone else outside your own brain today. Like, it's not possible, right? So, yeah, in some senses, I get it. Like, it's not made for an audience member in the year 2022, right?

That's not who it's for. Yeah, yeah. But then, you know, in other senses, like, I find myself highly critical of, films that exist today that are made for audiences today too like i was everybody's raving about the fableman's i thought it was fucking lame right so um yeah it did unrelated note yeah yeah i guess it's about just talking about it within its limitations right because there is like a nice um kind of subdued nature to it where it's not trying to be flashy like a flashy kind of monster movie is surprisingly subtle in how it's like trying to pull off something that could be as goofy and is

admittedly goofy like when he's carrying around his coffin and whatnot of that that was like the funniest um like scene breaking like thing to me it was like the whereas for the most part it's kind of creepy i'm wondering how much of the comedy was intentional because there was a lot of comedic moments I thought in the film, but I don't know how much of it was just like, because it's the time and their expressions are so exaggerated because that's how acting was, or if that was more of like a comedic performance. Like, I'm not, you know, watching the film, it was like, oh, yeah, this is supposed to be funny, but I was it? Now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, okay, wait, I'm not actually that sure. Yeah, well, that's the disconnect. I guess we're saying with the

just the way people talk, the jokes people would make. Like, it would be entirely different in the 20s. Yeah. Because like the whole, when they're saying about the mosquito bites on the neck and whatnot, like, it could easily be paid for a gag. But I think they were doing it in earnest. Yeah. It is charming.

It's charming and kind of dated, but also like nostalgic. It's weird. It's like, there is something lovable about it, even if, like, I'm not sat there terrified like I might be with some of my favorite horror movies. I do appreciate that imagery. I do try to just picture myself in a theater in the 20s and how frightening a lot of this would have been. There's some creepy stuff in there, like the little fingers and the shadows and the eyes. It's a cool character design.

In the 1920s, the idea of a moving picture would be frightening alone. Whoa! It's like a whole event. Yeah. People were afraid of that film of like the train. Yeah, the train pulling into the station. People were like, oh my God. It's real.

Maniacs. So imagine watching this. Yeah, some like creepy vampire. Like people were probably, yeah, like, scared of illusion of like cinemas. But yeah, it's just hard to know. It's hard to know what people were actually thinking. It's impossible to know. It's literally not possible.

I did a watchalong of the 1940s. Pinocchio and I commented, you know, on the structure of the film. And that would be something that I feel like has gotten so much better over time as structure. But somebody left a comment being like, I hate it when Adam talks about old movies because he ignores the fact that movies aren't made for people 100 years in the future and that that's just what structure was. I'm like, yeah, but I'm talking about how it relates to me, you know, like, there's no,

there's no objective structure even today, right? I think subjectivity is implied when I say, like, the structure doesn't work well, obviously for me. Like, and I am an audience member in this year. So it's like, yeah, I don't know what you expect me to do. Like, go in a time machine. Like, I can't do that. The filmmakers couldn't do that.

Like, I, yeah. If it connects with you, it does. If it doesn't, it doesn't. And the best you can do is try to rationalize why it does or doesn't. Yeah. I think it does connect with me. I think it connects. Yeah, I see the, even if you don't know what people were thinking at the time, you can

look at film as a whole and like see what has happened since and before and like piece together. Like, okay, this movie is original. It is doing all these things. It's, you know, breaking those conventions. At the same time, it's inspiring other horror movies, like in influence Dracula. The film anyway, I believe the story was originally from Dracula. I don't know exactly.

Like, I think Nosferratz was inspired by Dracula, the story. But then the movie was inspired by this, you know, the movie Dracula is inspired by this film. Yeah. So, like, they both, like, take from each other. Yeah. So, so you're hard. Yeah. And of course, everything takes from Dracula.

Every vampire movie from fucking Twilight to movies we talked about thirst. Like, you know, they're all from Dracula. So it's hard to know. You could just, yeah, appreciate, like, the influence it's had and see where. came from. And like, there is some, like, cool stuff in this movie. There are some cool moments and, like, creepy imagery and the music with it. You're like, yeah, this is working. Like, especially for film so old, I'm surprised actually how well it's working. I think you can make a movie like that with thinking of people 100 years in the future. I mean, it's very hard. It's like impossible to,

like, get someone to love the movie, maybe everyone to love it. But you can, you could definitely connect with some people or at least in certain moments. you could connect with people. There are certain things that are timeless yet. A lot of movies we talk about now. I think there's moments in the film that work still. Right. You don't know where, like, history's going.

You have, like, no idea, like, what people will like 100 years from now. Maybe they will, like, something slower-paced because they're sick of, like, I don't know, conventions or whatever. Like, you don't know what's going to become cliche, what's going to become overdone, what isn't, you know, it's very hard to predict. But, yeah, it's good. It's a good movie. like it's well-made work I think

like they clearly put a lot of thought into it. It is like groundbreaking and it's like what I love like what I always say, it's a classic. I'm like yeah this is a classic. It's like it's really well done. Yeah it's classy. You were mentioning the design

and just like the creepy design of the character and the aesthetic I think that yeah visually that does work really well and those are like the moments of the film that work like I guess parts of it that work because again, I mentioned that the music didn't allow me to experience that fully, but I got an ad on IMDB just now as I was looking up the Chaplin films.

I want you to look at that image for a second for the new film Smile coming out. And this is 100 years later, the horror aesthetic, the design of what scares people is just people doing the fucking smile face. The Kubrick's there almost. Oh, my God. It looks so stupid. Yeah, the Kubrick stare. That's like another thing. Smile.

I'm definitely watching that in theaters, by the way. It looks so bad. It's going to make you smile all right. You're going to die. You're going to die. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's crazy.

Yeah, I guess that's why the context is always. important to discuss, but it's just where I get lost is, yeah, bringing it to the modern day in my own tastes and what I'm looking for, some kind of like emotional response. Yeah. I want more than to just appreciate it. I also want to kind of get involved into the story. But that's not, yeah, that's not to say that I don't, like, I'm not anti the movie, but I just can't really envision aside from people interested in film history, like,

sitting down to like watch Nosferatu, you know. know, I can... Yeah, it's putting no trots. And even if you are interested in film history, that doesn't mean that you're going to relate to the film. Like, I'm more interested in film history in the sense of me reading up about the film on Wikipedia or wherever, you know, like, the copyright fiasco is interesting, you know, like, that's something I find interesting about the film.

That doesn't mean the experience of the film is going to translate to me emotionally, right? If something doesn't connect with you, it doesn't connect with you. And at the end of the day, my review channel doesn't exist to just tell you whether or not the movie is already a classic. Like, that's not the point of someone relating their experience to film. I don't know why apparently some of my commenters think that that's what I'm supposed to be doing. But I'm talking about whether or not I connect with it and I'm trying to rationalize why from my own perspective. So yeah. Yeah.

And there's, yeah, there's obviously important. to film and I found you heard a shadow of the vampire? I would have maybe recommended this as like a trilogy type situation but I'd never heard of it until I was doing some research. Yeah, I added it to my watch list. People were like, why didn't you watch that one? I'm like, well, because we're not talking about it on the podcast.

Yeah, but it's basically yeah, it's only like what we're talking about as a film about the filming of Nosferatu. Oh, really? That's cool. Playing the vampire. Yeah, that's like an interesting angle to me. which I really want to check out now. Just seeing the stills of Willem Defoe was,

as the vampire looks like enough for me to check it out. Yeah, I'll watch that at some point, for sure. Did you guys watch the YouTube version of it? I'm just curious, like, what, because maybe you listen to a different score. I watched the Keno Classics Restoration that is apparently as accurate as possible, and they even used, like,

the yellow and and like cyan film and different parts to reflect the to imply lighting and stuff because that's what a lot of films did I guess so yeah that did have Hans Erdman's score so yeah that's probably you probably watch like the accurate one yeah that's what I tried to do like find the most accurate one I think one time I like played it the YouTube version I put it on silent and then played the score

like separately he was on like a different YouTube video yeah so I play it like yeah so it was like more accurate because I didn't want it to be distracting or whatever I wanted to get the experience I wanted an orchestra there to perform it for me it was a great score it's just not you can still appreciate something it sounds like music for back then

and and not have it emotionally affect you And at the end of the day, your experience with the film and your rating of the film should be a reflection that includes how it emotionally affected you and how, you know, that at least includes your experience. If it's intent, if it's trying to be frightening and the music is interrupting. Yeah. Like emotion, then that is fair. I would say it was effective in that it wasn't, you know, what I hear all the time from other scores that are horror scores because they're all influenced by movies that came out after this. True, yeah.

And yeah, obviously, it's not like, you know, it's not the under the skin score, which is like, that's my favorite score from like a horror thing. And, you know, it does use strings. I complain about strings all the time. It does use strings. It's just used well. Like, it's not like, it's not the same fucking stock sound effect or whatever. And just get.

Yeah, that's what I've always said. But yeah, it's like, you know, right, at least this film, like, I'm not waiting for the string sting sound effect or whatever. you know, it's different. It's totally different ballpark that let us John. Like, oh, there is some uniqueness to this, like, unpredictability. Yeah. I mean, I get, I get what you're saying.

Like, a lot of people are going to say the same thing as you. It's 100 years old. Literally 100 years old. It's a fucking old movie. They didn't have movies existing as a concept for very long before this movie was made. Yeah. It wasn't made to be a timeless classic entirely. Like how some of the Disney movies are.

Onokio, I think that was made to be a timeless classic. I think that was very deliberately how they made everything. Disney makes everything. They want it to be. I mean, whether it is or not, it's up to you. But I think that was very much their intent. This is just like, I mean, who, like, it's hard to even put yourself in like where they thought film would go.

They might have thought it was just a fad. They might, like, oh, this will be around for 10 years. We'll make her money and then we'll fucking. Yeah. We'll go. Go back to newspapers. Yeah, exactly. Go back to radio. People probably like, oh, radio is where it's at or whatever. Hell yeah. Things change. Yeah, like, you don't know. It was just some invention back then. It was mostly like for,

what's the word? Nerds? Like a theme park ride. No, even just for like, you know, for fun. Yeah. Like, it's just like, it's not made to tell a story. It's made for like fun. Like, just a theme park ride or something like that. Seeing a movie would have been an entire event. Like people see movies casually now that we have It was not a casual experience. It was like, we're going to fucking Disney World. Yeah, it was like that. Yeah, yeah. You can watch Nosferatu on your fucking phone for free on YouTube.

You know? Yeah. It would have been like VR. You put people in VR the first time. Holy shit. Yeah, basically. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's hard to put yourself there.

I don't know if we have much else to say about it. It is very short. It's very short. movie. So like only hour 20. It's probably all people could handle. Yeah, I'm glad I've like seen it all the way through now. So I can say that I've seen Nosferatu. We did it. We did it. I do I do find the whole public domain like a cool interesting song because like at the end of the last episode where I was like saying, we're going to do Nosferatu and I just assumed just kind of by default like if it's beyond or before a certain time period, it's just going to be kind of annoying to find in some way. But it's like I just completely forgot about the whole public main aspect and that's yeah it's famous

yeah yeah yeah but then the recordings of like the specific recordings of the score then like their own copyright and then

it's so annoying I hate it there's just so much about it is yeah it's really annoying then there's like 10 different versions

and it's like well which one that's why I had to make sure I was watching yeah the right score god damn it yeah and everyone's made their own versions of the score

right there's like a four hundred yeah Place it with Metallica. Yeah, Metallica did their own. If you sync up Nospheratu with a dark side of the moon, they sync up perfectly. Oh.

That's not this movie. That's Wizard of Oz. Yeah, just in case someone didn't know. And also, you have to be on a lot of drugs for it to work. Yeah. You have to not understand music. Whoa, dude. I'm just going to give, I'm going to give a rating.

I give it eight. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was really good. By my own logic, I should give it a 10 or a 9, but I don't know. An 8 sounds right. It sounds right given my experience of it and like my appreciation for it. Like, yeah, it's an 8. Yeah.

I'd still recommend it. Yeah, I guess I'd go a little bit lower. It'd be like a high three star, like a six. Because yeah, I'm like right down the middle in terms of it. I do appreciate everything about the movie. the production, the character design, that I do like that music a lot. I like what it did for film, where it sits,

like what it did with its limitations, like all the arches and fun. It was more varied in terms of location than I was expecting. I enjoyed that aspect. But yeah, as far as like a natural response, if it is trying to be frightening, if it is trying to be like a scary horror film, like I don't feel it like one might

when they were sat there in the 20s. And we just have so much more to choose from, so much of the influence that came after to pick and choose from. So, yeah, big fan. But I'm not going to be, like, putting this on if I want a scary horror movie. No. No. And I'm giving this one a 5 out of 10.

It was a movie. And everything I'm supposed to appreciate it about it, I do, just not as a narrative. Yeah. It's a different, I don't know. It's an interesting time capsule of German expressionist filmmaking. A lot of things they did, obviously, influential. But it's not, that is completely irrelevant to my experience with the film.

It is entirely relevant to interest behind us. the film but not relevant to my experience during the film. Depends on the movie, really. I mean, it does play in certain factors. If I were to say, like, if this exact same movie was released today, then I'd probably rate it lower. So, I am still giving it credit for, you know, the time period and it's limitations at the time. Yeah.

I do like Metropolis more. It's only a couple years later. I do like that film more than this. Metropolis is a lot more impressive, even if I don't relate to that one. either. It's more yeah. It's more grandiose and

interesting to look at visually also. Yeah, it's just like a more interesting story too. And then yeah, with the kid in 1921. I'm just like, yeah, I emotionally related to the kid. I was into it. I enjoyed watching it. I found a lot of it funny.

So, um, yeah. It's not like it's impossible for me to relate to a film in the 1920. So, um, yeah, I'll never see Nasferatu again. It was fine. But we watched another movie. It was the Werner Herzog, I guess remake called Nassfaratu the vampire. And what I discovered about it is that there were two different versions. He filmed it in both German and English using like the same actors, with some of them being dubbed. I watched the German.

version with English subtitles. Which one did you guys watch? What did you think? Whichever one's on YouTube. Do you not know what language they were speaking when you watched it? I think it was English. Yeah, it was English for my version.

There was no option on the to watch it. It was on one of those subs subscriptions on Amazon. I always forget which one it was. But yeah, it was on there. So I had to watch it in English. I was reading about that like afterwards. It's not that distracting though.

It is like filmed in English so. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's interesting how he did that. And also I will say in the German version, there are some obvious dubs at points. So it's not free from the dubs. Yeah.

There are a couple of those in the English version anyway, so it's probably just a result of committing to both sides. It's just going to happen here in the, Yeah. I loved this movie. I thought it was great. There are certain biases that people have in terms of like tone and feel of films. Some people will just watch anything that's cyberpunk. You know, Johnny Nemonic is cyberpunk, therefore I love it because it's cyberpunk. There's some people like that. There's some people that gravitate towards. Yeah, I'm like that with Blade. We're like The early 2000s Techno shit

Yeah Or some people gravitated towards that sort of thing With like that was awesome Like decades of filmmaking Some people really love like 1920s film or some people really love like French New Wave I love 70s films I think that

I have a bias Towards 70s films In terms of a look and feel And it's always just been the perfect balance between technical limitations of the time. They're still using film. Not everything had been like perfected yet.

There's, you know, things are a little rough around the edges even in like professional productions sometimes, especially like independent 70s film. Yeah, I agree with that. And it's before 80s where everything was like a little, you know, where you got into the decade of like materialism and consumerism, like hyper personified fucking American psycho shit. You know, everybody's on cocaine. It was like just in that perfect, perfect little bubble that decade of film.

Yeah. And so, yeah, a lot of my favorite movies are from the 70s. You know, it was Fantastic Planet, the 70s? Yeah. I think it was maybe 60s. I was going to say that too. Like, the 70s probably my favorite decade of film. 73, yeah.

Yeah, 70s. Okay. 1973. Yeah, Holy Mountain 70s. A lot of Kubrick stuff. I think Apocalypse Now and like Godfather. There's a lot of films from the 70s that I find myself really enjoying, especially independent film.

And this movie made me really want to check out Herzog's other earlier films. Because I have still yet to see Aguirre the Wrath of God or whatever it's called. And there's another one that he's really famous for. But yeah, wow. I thought that this was like a really beautiful, well-made film and fixed a lot of the issues that I had with the original Nosferatu in terms of being able to personally relate to things narratively or emotionally. I think that this did like a much better job and it justified its existence in that sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it's clearly made out of like utter admiration. for the original. Which is always good. I think the Herzog, like, is obviously, I think he said it's what was favorite German film or something, the original was for after. And that definitely like shows, and I'm right there with you in terms of it feeling like,

it's taking that original story and updating it in a way that does remove some of the sillier bits. The soundtrack isn't like as 20s. It just feels like a more kind of traditional, solid kind of narrative. It's a bit easier to follow. It does remove some of the charm as well, like for me, because that, the Nospheraz who original film is so iconic and like the imagery of it.

Yeah, that feels more like a relic where this feels just more like a... Sure. I can see how you see it that way. But I'm like, it's missing that. I feel like it has its own charm. Well, yeah, I still like this movie too. I feel like your substitute, yeah, it's substituting charms. There's a different charm of 1920s and 1970s.

It's like a 50 year gap and now we're today. 50-50 all the way. It's hard to remake something. Yeah, it's hard to like remake something and bring your own, like spin to it, not make me think of that original because it is so ingrained and like pop culture and so on. But it does tell the story well, yeah. This movie does have dialogue and sound as a lot of advantages that the other one did not. Exactly.

It has years of film history to tell it, which makes it, you know, in ways better. But, you know, there's something more admirable and more icon. about that original one too. Yeah. The biggest thing is like, like you said, it's made out of love. Like, that's the important thing. It's not like, I don't know, some fucking studio remake today. Like, I don't know, total recall or whatever.

Like, it is actually made because they wanted to make it. And that's going back to the whole 70s thing. I don't think remakes res had that stigma as much so because they were made by, like, artists. I was going to say out of this, the 70s is probably my favorite decade for film, too. If not the 70s, then the 60s. Like those two decades. And, you know, the 80s, too, which are like, you know, the 70s is hamburgered in between those two.

60s through 90s are all just like, like, I miss them. Yeah, like, even like mid-90s. Because, you know, there's like Pulp Fiction and Jurassic Park and whatever in the 90s. Yeah, sure. But there's this point, like, film became too big for its own britches or something like that.

Yeah, technology is like a lot. technology in the studio filmmaking like okay now it's nothing but remakes and nothing but like trying to make a hundred million dollars in the box office people said like Hollywood went woke yeah that happened that just cast a fun now the little mermaid's black that doesn't make any it was like this point it's like the star wars um people said like yeah sure star wars was like the killer of cinema or whatever it's like once those big budget movies like once holly would realize they could make money with it um i still love star wars but yeah it came this point where like They just make it bigger and bigger and bigger.

And it kind of takes away from the story. And like the most you get of like a 70s movie kind of tone now are like mid-budget movies, not like necessarily low budget, but like the $20 to $30 billion budgeted movies where they do have like a story and character and like style, like a director's vision and they're made with love. But they're also made to make money, you know, like I don't want films to not be profitable obviously because they're not going to make films anymore. But like the 70s was.

like this perfect balance of like I think it was just like the business model maybe too like you know you had to go to the theater to see it because there was no home option no home video yeah like they made them yeah they made their money and like once a movie was like I can't even think about that today again putting yourself in like

someone's shoes like 34 years ago like once a movie was out of theaters it was gone I may like like you're not going to see it anymore preserve the reels if you can yeah like they'll do re-showings of movies that are really classic like 2001 and that's why there was so few movies it's like because like once a movie came out it's like okay it's in theaters for a few months like it's not even like how it is now

where it's like a couple weeks you know you need to make all your money it's like you make your money over a year and then you fucking dump it out of theaters and that's it's it's gone forever um it's just a different mindset yeah um anyway this movie yeah i like it's like to me it's like almost the same as like the first one um in terms of how much I like it. But I do... It's like, I appreciate it. It's just like I do the 20s one.

I appreciate it for the love that it was made with. Yeah. Because it's still, even though there are like changes, it's still extremely faithful. Yeah. Despite the updates and the tinkering. It's still just like very similarly have like the same scenes.

There's still the accidental cutting finger scene. There's still like the same like story pretty much. It's just with all the accoutrements that come with. just modern technology and the like Herzog dialogue especially that kind of enhances. Yeah, Herzog I find Herzog very interesting too. I like him he's like he's like Jack Reacher. He's such a wacko

he's a character. Yeah. He's the director of bad lieutenant porticole of Orleans. Yeah. Yeah. It's got like a wide variety of stuff he does. And then he makes him a bunch of fucking weird weirdo documentaries where he's narrating the whole thing. He's like but the penguin A grizzly man I love grizzly man

That's a great old I love grizzly man But why No one could ever hear this Yeah He's a he's a guy of time Yeah Oh yeah it's the personality

I watched one of his new documentaries At Tiff And this is something that he's done If you're familiar with like The whole catalog of Hertzog documentaries He's done this a few times There's some guy like He was filming

Explaining like mathematical equation. And then he just like, I don't know, like 30 seconds into it, the voiceover narration of Herzog basically gets overlaid on top of this guy. He's like, I'm not going to pretend I understand anything this man is saying. So I will not bore you with this. And just like the personality that it adds into it, this is like kind of like, I don't know if I could call it fourth wall breaking because it's already a documentary.

But it's funny. He's such a character He's very old school He's such a weirdo I love movies by weirdos Yeah Like Colin about it or whatever I really want to see Fitzcaroldo

Which is him I've seen a documentary I've seen a documentary about the making of it I wish I knew the name of it I saw it in like film school at some point And there's like Because that movie's about like Them pushing a boat up a hill

So it's just like a documentary about the behind the scenes of him Like you know trying to get this boat up the hill. It's like it's obviously like really almost impossible to do for this film. That's so funny. But you know, yeah, it is kind of funny to watch him like ordering all these fucking people around trying to push a boat up a hill just for his movie. It's like a giant like yacht. It's like a little boat.

And the lead in that movie, I think, is a character. He played Count Dracula and Masferatu. He did a bunch of collaborations with him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who did it? He did a good job.

He was awesome. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's fantastic. Not to it, not over the top. Just bringing that subtlety. But also like, hearing the character with dialogue really improved it for me too. Like there is something creepy about that, that kind of atmosphere in the first one where you are just kind of envisioning what this, this creature might sound like.

But giving him a voice and having him have him have, like. scenes of dialogue, especially towards the end. There's a really good one with the character, Lucy Harker, where they have that conversation by the mirror. So this is like really effective, like a really effective character interaction. It's like creepy. What they're saying is like thoughtful and stimulating. Yeah, I really liked that side of it.

And also for them to be able to utilize dialogue, it's not just the dialogue that they're speaking, but now there's also an opportunity for there to be purpose in the spaces between dialogue. In this film, there's so many instances where there's uncomfortable silences. And those are used just so perfectly. And there's such great sound design, the clock ticking, the wolf howling, the fireplace, the wind whistling. And just like all of this incredible atmosphere to help you get sucked into this, like, okay, this is like a really creepy spot.

This is like a really weird sort of thing. And just, yeah, these these silent, well, vocally silent interactions that the two characters have with each other are just so creepy where he's like staring at him over his bed and just like, ugh. Like this, it makes it more significant when there is silence, whereas in the original film, there was no opportunity to really do that because it was all silent. Yeah. So you were missing essentially like a tool that you could. could have used to enhance the story. And so I love that this film paid attention to things like that because it really did think like, okay, well, what can we do to improve upon the original?

What tools didn't they have that we can now use and how will we use those? Yeah. So do you find effective then as a horror movie contrasting with the original? Much more so. And there's goofy points in this newest one for sure. There's like really cheesy moments in this that I, also love for the cheese in the same way that it's like, you know, there's certain films like a Ramey film or like an older Peter Jackson film where it's like, okay, you can do horror and you can do like a bit

of cheese in there as well. And you can say like, ha ha, that's stupid and or bad, but I still love it at the same time. Or maybe I'm just like forgiving it in a way of like, okay, this is like a 70s movie sort of thing. Like you can have a moment that's kind of stupid here and there. I thought that the ending of this film was like one of the funniest fucking things. And in this sense, like, I feel like I can understand a bit more closely what an audience in the 70s might be like, as opposed to an audience in the 20s. There's already a huge catalog of films and layers of expectations of audience members and other things we can judge it with at the time and compare it to, I guess that I'm at least more familiar with. And I feel like the end. The end

was supposed to be kind of shit posty. I feel like the ending of this film was supposed to be like pretty funny. Just this like, oh, well, I guess spoiler talk. Spoilers. Yeah, spoiler. Shitposty is a word is a modern word I'm using to describe, you know, obviously. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe.

I mean, it gets kind of crazy. I think, no. As a person that's watched a shit ton of, uh, Hurtzog movies. I don't know why I forgot his name for a second. I've watched so many Hurtzog documentaries and only a couple of his actual films. I feel like his personality and his level of just his sarcasm and humor and his wit in his documentaries helps me to understand a bit more his sense of humor when going into his filmmaking as well,

like his narrative features. I feel like there's definitely parts in this that are supposed to be like kind of like tongue-in-cheek, like the ending is for sure in my perspective at least it feels like something that's supposed to have a layer of humor to it but you never know it's all up to interpretation i guess yeah it's hard to pin down um yeah i like the look of it looks good i love the look of it looks nice i like the look of nosferatu too it's hard to like top the classic look and you do humanize him a little bit, maybe more than a little bit. It's like, you know, I think the actor played him really well.

Yeah, it's hard to be an iconic role and like do it well. Yeah, to sell it, especially with those, it must have been hard to deliver lines with those like front teeth things in. Yeah. They're pretty funny. It's hard to like come up even like a voice because, you know, the original one doesn't have a voice. It's silent.

So it's like an interpretation of it. And yeah, it does work. Yeah, all these decisions work. Yeah, it's a very different kind of movie just because of how more modern it is. But yeah, I think what you said is right. It does like justify its existence with the choices it makes. It doesn't feel like a shell of a film. Yeah.

And horror remakes are pretty common, like especially once so old. like anyone's like, you can't remake the 1922 movie? Like, how could you do that? It's like, yeah, there are parts of it that are dated. It's not like the godfather where it's like, it still holds up now, basically. You know, you can make a modern version of it. There are areas to improve it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It is very artful. I feel like one way this film really improved is not just the visual look from like an aesthetic standpoint, but also, the ability to kind of soak in like a setting or atmosphere.

So one of the shots that really emphasized this is when the, I guess we're going to call him the main character. I forget his name though, but the guy who's traveled to Nassiratu's to the vampire guy's Jonathan Harker, I guess. He wakes up and he is

kind of exploring around before he finds out that the doors are locked. And there's this moment where he looks up at the ceiling and then the camera also looks up at the ceiling. And it's like, oh, wow, we're actually using like cinematography to like help you get into the character's perspective. Like, there's so much more motion with the camera. Like, we get such a better feel for the environment.

And that, and we as audience members are able to look up with him and be like, okay, wow, that's like you can see the whole, the whole roof of this place. And it has a really creepy, unique and interesting look. Like, we're getting so much more of a, sense of location that was just not really in the original film. Like, I didn't really get much of a sense for the environment in the original film at all. In this film, particularly also, the way that things are edited and the way that things are

structured gave so much more of a sense of journey in between locations. So he's traveling for like a month, right, to get from one place, the Dracula's home to back to the town. and we really get a feel like a sense for this long journey and that's something that I never that I didn't really experience in the original film I never really it's just information being communicated through visuals structure editing just such a more polished better production and yeah that's what I get out of it and that's why I don't enjoy the original as much it's just those things we're missing yeah but I guess I can kind of sit more with Ralph in terms of like a I

I kind of appreciate them in a similar sort of way, because while I do agree that the atmosphere and just the general production is obviously, what's what, 50 years later, pretty much, just such an advancement in terms of camera work, production design, and just everything you'd expect. But I wasn't fully, like, frightened as I might be some of my more appreciated horror movies. Because yeah, there is, I don't know if it's just something about vampires or if it is just the way they sit in pop culture at this point, 100 years later, like just my baggage I associate with them.

Yeah. I just don't find them that frightening as far as a concept. But yeah, I appreciate it every other aspect of it. But again, yeah, maybe I'm just not a Nosphoratu. mega fan I did enjoy seeing Isabelle Ajani I thought she was really good in the movie

after seeing her in possession which she was equally kind of well cast Yeah for sure Yeah that was like perfect casting for updating that character From the original Yeah Yeah kind of just

Yeah upgrading what they were going for. You know what's crazy is the... I was talking about how I didn't really relate to the music at all in the original 1920s Nosferatu. And hearing the music in this film, I'm like, holy shit, this is like one of the best scores ever. Like, it's so, like, dreamy and mesmerizing in the way that they use it with this, you know,

the nature backdrop in, like, the mountains and this whole... whole sequence where it's just it's so artfully expressive and I found out after the fact that that was the song in those sequences was from Richard Wagner

so it actually the music had existed in the 1800s so before the score for Nospharatu it's just a matter of it so it wasn't like a limitation of what scores could be it wasn't scored for the film. It wasn't a limitation of what music could be.

And, you know, if you think about classical symphonies that existed, like, in the 1800s especially, then, you know, we can be aware that there was no, like, hard limitation on what music could be. So it feels weird to give the 1920s Nosferatu a lot of credit in that sense. but what I will say, I guess, about that is there was a limitation on how people thought music could be used. And so the music that I love from this film was taken from, it was a prelude to like a big symphony, right? And so that genre-wise or expression-wise, the feel of that music in the 1920s wouldn't have been necessarily associated. with film per se, if I could be wrong about that, but I'm trying to give the original Nosferatu some credit in that sense

and just say, like, maybe nobody had the idea to use music in that way. But, yeah, it's great music existed from well before Nasferatu. It's just a matter of discovering how to use it and doing it in a way that is, I guess, creative to a certain decade of audience members' expectations. I don't know, it's complicated still. But I'm saying I relate to it a lot more, despite it being older. Yeah, it's hard to know. Yeah, yeah.

Did you read anything about the use of animals? There are a hell of a lot of rats in the movie, especially towards the end, which apparently turned out to be a bit of a nightmare. I'm sure. Ethics or whatever using animals in, uh, in film because of course there are like

thousands of rats towards the end of the movie in some of the scenes and you've got to you gotta get them there you gotta apparently like some of them were the wrong type of rat

the wrong color of rat so they were like dyeing them different colors and like in the process of dying them a different color like half of them died just like a nightmare

oh man I'm sorry I can say it that the rats should be gray yeah well that's the kind of I could believe him that he would do that I mean like that's the kind of director he is 70s Herzog for sure did that

like yeah he made if he made everyone push a boat up a hill then yeah he'd do that yeah he's crazy yeah but I was just picturing like what those rap scenes would like look like in a Nostvaratu remake today potentially

like just yeah CG fluff filling up a room If Eggers makes his, I'm sure it will be not shit. But like, do we use all the rats is the question. Yeah. I was really excited at the premise of that of Eggers, like, continuing on this. I think that's happening.

Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're right. But that would have been cool to have like, say, every 50 years or so, there's like a filmmaker with the gusto and to take it on and to actually continue on its legacy. and like update it to, you know, the current filmmaking standards. Because I feel like that you could make a really frightening film if you pulled it off the right way in this setting. Yeah. I think that parts of this film were actually effective to me

in like a straightforward kind of horror sense. Like I had already mentioned the like uncomfortable silences and like the general creepiness of like the interactions and of the vampire character. But I also think that like the bite scene at the end, like that perhaps maybe not like existentially terrifying, but like it felt real. It felt like disgusting.

Like the sound design that went with it, like the very grounded like noises that he was making as he bit into her. And it looked like he was biting into her. It was like, whoa. It was like true. It wasn't effective scene. Really creepy. Yeah.

Yeah. like so many more films now even today are completely unable to do like physical action cheating you know people will punch each other like three feet away or like you know strangle the neck without without your thumbs even making contact with their throat sort of thing like there's so many pieces of like physical action in media that are not done properly throughout time and yet this film manages to cheat it in a very convincing way. Yeah, this film has kickstarted me checking out Herzog's older films and I'd always been meaning to but now I'm like,

okay, I'm actually excited to and I think I'll bump it up on my list of priorities. Oh my god, there were no like jump scares in this movie. I don't know how much of a trope jump scares were in the 70s, really as much, I guess, but... Yeah, I don't think they wore as much. Maybe. Yeah, I don't really know. The history of jumpskiss when that...

What films kind of set that kind of trend of? Yeah. But a lot of, uh, just like really moody, kind of like creeping crescendos rather than, like, shocking moments, you know? It was always... It had a nice buildup to it. Yeah. Yep.

There's a couple of criticisms I have with this movie. Not really sure. why the character jumped to the conclusion of like, oh, the vampire's leaving. He must be going after Lucy. She's in danger. Like, that was weird. And then, yeah, the ending is just like the cheesiest thing in the world. Like, arrest him.

I don't even know where I'm taking it. Like, that was just so funny. He gets the woman to, like, sweep up the, was that garlic, I guess, in the circle or salt? I don't even know what that was. Yeah, she, like, convinces him. Just like the way he hops out of it and like the ending there was like so cheesy. But I loved it. It was like, it's cheesy in the sense that like early, like some of the Sam Ramey horror films can be cheesy.

Even if they're like fleeting moments in this film. Yeah. Overall, I just, I absolutely loved the experience. It was just everything that I love about movies. And the way that films can express. themselves can be found in this film. So, or at least most. But, all right, do you have anything more to say about it?

Yeah. No. No, it's weird because, like, the actual plots or what the stories are saying, I don't really, I don't really get that much out of it. It's more like the atmosphere and the kind of building tension or the, or more the historical relevance of that original one, more so than the, one but yeah i had a fun experience with these um i wish i'd known about that uh willem defoe one before so we could have chucked that in but next year yeah yeah i did just look up actually the

history of jump scares apparently it just wasn't really a thing um good before 1980 and carrie apparently has one of the first modern jump scares yeah i feel like friday the 13th has a couple I don't know how effective they were. Yeah. So I guess it was like an 80s thing. It's like kind of later. Yeah. No wonder I like movies from the 70s.

Yeah, it's before they got bad. Before they got woke. Yeah. Go broke, baby. Yeah. I want my female characters to be fainting in every scene. So true. She did faint a lot.

That was kind of funny. All right. Yeah, I love this movie. Eight out of ten from me. I love it despite its, you know, it has a couple flaws, but I think that, like, overall it's just a huge, huge jumping off from the original, and it utilizes and takes advantage of every tool

that the original did not have at its disposal. It justifies its own existence, and I love it on a personal level, and I connect with it very much, so. Go Herzog. Yeah, I'm just slightly below you. I'd give it three and a half star, a seven. I did enjoy it more as a film compared to that original.

I could tell it was a labor of love. I liked the injection of the dialogue and how they chose to kind of emote the characters and being able to use dialogue whereas the original couldn't. Yeah, I just thought it was solid. But again, like, I'm not going to rush back to see it any time soon. It's just vampires, man. There's something about them. Something about these vamps.

recommendation. Twilight ruined them. I know. Twilight ruined them. That's my theory. Just ruined the whole thing. Do you really think it has that much power? Yeah.

Those shitty movies. Yeah. Maybe you're right. I just see them with sparkling. No. Would you give it at them? I gave it an eight. I would also give it an eight.

Awesome. Which is the same as I gave those fraught to. Yeah. I like them different for different reasons, but I like them the same. Perfect. I like both of them. Both.

I want to see one of the faux one. Yeah. We'll check it out at some point. So how's the, how's the dragon now? It's not, not good. Oh,

really? Because what I'd been hearing is that it's the one out of the two fancy shows right now to be watching, but I guess that doesn't really mean that much. Yeah, it doesn't mean much. Yeah, it's better than,

it's better than the lore of the rings one. Thing is, it's like, It's really slow. It's kind of... Not a satisfying way. No, not as satisfying way. It doesn't feel like it's building somewhere.

It just feels kind of stretched. Yeah, it feels very stretched. There's just not a lot going on. And I don't really care. Like, some of my friend Cam was saying, like, it's like the same three fucking characters every scene. It's like, not like Game of Thrones where it's like going to all the different lands or whatever. It's like, okay, it's either the sister or like the brother or the dad's.

Because that was like part of it was like trying to keep. track of everyone. Uh-huh. It feels very small scale compared to that stuff. I'm like, yeah, it's like, it's really, it's funny because it's really slow, but at the same time, there are these massive time jumps that are just really jarring. So at the same, it's like too fast-paced, but also too slow. Like, every episode, like, they flash forward like 10 years.

I'm like, holy shit. It's like different actors playing the main character by this episode. What are you talking about? House of the Dragon. Oh. It's like very whatever. It's okay. I'm like, people call better call slow.

I'm like compared to that shit. Better call slow. Yeah, better call slow is much better than this. All right, time for questions. Okay, let's do some questions from the Sardonicars community. Head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit if you want to ask us anything you feel like. Just like whiskey food did. It's going to start us off here.

Which movie antagonist slash villains do you think were actually justified in their actions and doing the correct thing. Scar, fuck the monarchy. I'm just kidding. It's always Scar. I'd say Magneto from the X-Men is a good answer. That's the answer I gave.

Because I answer the same question on my own, like, little show I do. And, like, I give the same answer. It's, you know, he's a villain. You understand his motivation. He's not, like, just trying to destroy the world because he's a bad guy. He's trying to protect mutants to some extent, which are, like, oppressed people. They're, you know, tortured by the government or whatever.

So you understand his motivation. He has that whole, like, Holocaust backstory to him, at least in the movies. Yeah, so he knows, like, how human beings can, like, you know, take people and be kind of evil and whatever. So he's trying to, like, stop that from happening to mutants. And, yeah, he's like, yeah, his motivation makes sense. He's still a bad guy, but his motivation, he's, he's still a bad guy. but his motivation makes sense. You understand where he's coming from.

I think that's a good answer. Magneto. Magneto. Honestly, Ian McKellen. One of my favorite kind of motivations or like villain slash antagonist slants is just like a beast of nature, you know, be it like like jaws, the bugs from Starship Troopers or like alien. just these creatures

where like can you really say they're not doing the correct thing they're just like monsters you know they're just like big bugs or whatever just doing what they should be doing and it's like you can't really cast blame in the same way you can't really blame

you know a bear that like goes for you in the woods it's just it's just existed it's kind of like what I liked about Nope as well yeah sure it's like a primal thing I think that um justified might be a strong word when I'm thinking about this character and let's try our best not to say anything about it because we don't want to spoil it but in old boy like you empathize with the villain by the like you feel bad for him like you really feel bad for the like you're like damn like you took it kind of extreme but I understand you know like I can see why you had an extreme reaction because like your life was really fucked up right so yeah I think the I think the trees and the happening were pretty based.

Spoilers. Oh, God, I spoiled the happening. Oh, no. The biggest meme is that it was the tree. What? No. What? No.

Completely superfluous bottle of cough syrup. It's just like five bucks. We're not assholes. I guess we answered that. Yeah, we're not asses. You could just quote like a million lines from it. It's like burnt down a... It's a great.

movie. Yeah, it's classic. Like no Sforatzu. Yeah, I need to re-much that. Oh yeah. It's hilarious. He's got a new movie coming out. Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm night. Shama Lama Ding-Dong.

Yeah, I saw him tweet. It's gay the strangers, but there will be more too. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. It's what the first 30 minutes will be and then it'll turn into something else. but yeah that'll become some stupid shit then the trees will come to life and they have to run away yeah you're just you're making me think about that beach movie i was complete you did that right

man old yeah yeah yeah but anyway what an interesting director yeah yeah yeah no that's the tenant of like a good villain though surely right it's like you can at least see where they're coming from in some way you know like the right they'll often take it too far because they have to for like certain stakes to be raised in the story but like uh roy batty and blade runner or someone like that oh yeah that's a good one i mean i think that that's part of why a film like old boy is intelligent is because you know it even though it's very much a film and it goes much more extreme than you'd see in real life it still grounds it in a sense that you know there are real life a lot of

no matter who is committing an atrocity they feel justified in some way and so you know it makes sense to sure there are some people that we can categorize as villains in real life but everybody is just like an individual you know it's a little bit more nuanced

yeah yeah taking the concept of a villain and making it less black and white yeah rather than just having a villain yeah that's what's cool about like the the end of watchman um that character is Amandais um that kind of feeds into that greatness i don't know if i want to spoil it or whatever but

that's a particular yeah i guess that's one of the better parts of that movie yeah yeah yeah that's like a cool um i can i can see your thought process there dude it's fucked up yeah yeah yeah that's some complexity mm-hmm okay pay you dog king 825 503 has this to say. Recently, Criterion announced that they're putting a 4K release of Pixar's Wally in the collection, with this being the first Pixar film ever to be put in the collection. With this release, do you think that this is criteria on opening up the collection from a modern and accessible films?

And if so, what are some modern slash popcorn blockbuster movies that you feel deserve the criteria on treatment? Thanks for all the great content love you guys. Fucking parasite was already in there. So to claim that this The Wally is the first modern and accessible film I'm not sure Fucking Michael Bade Didn't they have like

Like the Rock and Armageddon at one point In the criterion collection Like This isn't the first like popular movie That they've put in there So I don't know why people are I think the fact that it's like Disney and animated In Pixar is what's making some people

Weird at about it I mean I think Wally made much more than any of the movies were mentioning like the uncut gems or whatever maybe um yeah I wonder what's just that one you can just not buy that one if you don't they're still they're still putting other movies in the

collection yeah I'd yeah I'd understand caring if if they just stopped doing the old movies and only started doing like Marlon movies then maybe there'd be a problem on your hands but it's just Wally like it's one of the most like beloved Pixar movies and just gets like more and more relevant the days go by so Yeah, it's not, it's a very critically well-received movie, you know, regardless of what anybody thinks about it.

It's, you know, it doesn't feel out of place in the collection in terms of like critical response for sure. Mm-hmm. You can do rat tattoo-y. I would love a rat tattoo-y criterion. Ratatap-tap. And then we could have rat tattooing. Yeah, then we could put the asylum movies in cartoon. Oh, my God.

Yeah. The video Brinkato. collection. That'll be a day. When they add to Silo movies to the Criterion Collection, that'll be a day. I would like to see Good Time in there. It seems like they have every other Saffty film. Yeah. Good time's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want a Hanky Chan collection. I don't know. I'm not sure. Crank. I want Crank and Crank 2 in the Criterion collection.

I want a crank three to exist. Well, yeah, we'll get to that. But first, you need the criteria into the first two. Yeah. It's time. You know, it's funny is, like, they do have... There's this weird distinction between, like, what is schlock and what is art. Because, like, they have a few John Waters films in the collection right now, and it's like, well, some of those films, like, yeah, they pushed boundaries, but they also just existed to gross people out.

And that's all he cared about. to some extent. It's like, I'm making something disgusting. And when someone vomits in my theater, I'm going to laugh. And like, it's just like, yeah, what sort of cultural impact did it have at the time? Yeah, that's how crank is. Crank is pure art. You know, it's weird how we categorize things in certain ways.

Like, John Waters is like anuteur. He's like, okay. In ways. I guess it's just expected with like Cartierens' whole kind of. brand image they've built over time. They're just associated with the more, the lesser known kind of films. So it was inevitable that people are going to go upset.

The thing is, I think people are scared because it's Disney, and Disney is like this huge thing. But technically, there's already a lot of other Disney films in the Criterion Collection because Disney owns Fox, you know, Searchlight Pictures did like the overwhelming majority of

Wes Anderson's films. All of those are in the Criterion Collection, except Isle of Dogs. So, like Disney already has a bunch of films in the Criterion Collection. Yeah. I just didn't notice.

Yeah, I'd be more upset if it was like Rackett Ralph 2. Yeah, criteria. I'd be interested. There's been worse animated movies in the Criterion collection. There was that, um, fuck, what was it called?

It was like some weird Digimon ripoff from like 2009. And like, it was made by some random Japanese artist that decided to direct the movie and I forget what it was called. This sounds crazy. Yeah, it was a weird, it was a weird one to put in the collection for sure. It was like why somebody in the comments will know what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Yeah, Wally is not like the breaking point. It's just people who don't notice other things now getting the most obvious form of it, I guess. Yeah. Maybe they can put some Spielberg movies in there. or even early M-night movies. Not the happening. If they put Jaws in Criterion, that'd be dope. I would love to see a Jaws criterion.

Yeah, they could do that. Or like 6 cents and what's the other one? M-Night Collection. Unbreakable. Yeah, they could do that too. Unbreakable, yeah, they could do those. Those are good movies. Even signs is like kind of well received.

I mean, I would love a happening criterion, but I don't think that's going to happen. Last Airbender Criterion. Old Criterion. Neil Breen Collection. Criterion, yeah. I want a twisted pair. That would be groundbreaking. Yeah, Criterion.

I'd feel happy for him. Yeah, who killed Captain Alex Criterion. That's the one. And I think it honestly deserves to be there. I think Neil Breen honestly deserves his films in the collection. Yeah. Give him one at least. Bordem it, Criterion.

No. I think they're making a Bird Demick 3. It's, it premiered at like, I think, South by Southwest. Or Fantastic Fest or something. So, yeah, it already premiered. Yeah. The poster, yeah, the poster is better than like every Marvel movie poster I've seen recently. Yeah, it's funny.

It's like actually trying. Like I saw something like, this poster goes hard. I'm like, yeah, it's better than fucking half the posters I see. The floaty head, at least it's not a floaty head poster. That's like all they do now. With like 25 actors. Yeah. Fucking 50 actors that are in the movie.

Is John Favreau, Floodyhead. Tom Holland Floodyhead. Mark Wahlberg floaty head. I like the uncharted one. Everyone's a floaty head. Ew. Yeah. It's just lazy.

All right. Next question. Let's do this one from HG. H. Gallipole. I'm curious to know what you guys think about the VHS, nostalgia. Like when people buy old TVs, VHS players and VHS movies in an attempt to recreate the vibe of back in the day. Do you guys find any enjoyment in the VHS format? Um, no, it looks like shit.

Maybe like some desolvent. Yeah, I think we forget how like kind of truncated that shit. Like if you wanted to rewatch a movie, you have to sit there and wait for it to like rewind the whole. Yeah. And before you brought it. back to the video story. I had to rewind it. Yeah. Like that was the only option for so long.

No wonder people wanted to go to the theater instead. Plagued with like technical issues. Yeah, yeah. I do like how Red Letter Media uses their VHSs and their videos. It gives them a certain feel. Like whenever they watch a movie, it's usually like shitty quality four by three. Yeah, but it gives them, it's like what gives them a personality, their show. I do like that about how they, how they choose to watch movies.

Yeah, that's the whole guy. isn't it, that like VHS repairman in like 2020, it's like Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, right. The way they use it on best of the worst and so on. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because there's no other way to watch

like some of those movies. They're only on VHS, like, Robo Check or whatever. Like, it's so fucking old. They're like B movies. They're not, they're not going to re-release those. Yeah, things that no one cared to preserve. Yeah, sometimes they do. Like the Miami connection.

Like they did like remaster that. Sometimes they do. Or like samurai cop. Sometimes they do like go back and update it. Yeah. Get the film negative, which is somewhere. It's probably in the director's basement somewhere. They get it.

Like yeah, let's remaster it. You can make a couple extra bucks. Like good idea. Yeah, I usually wait for that. I don't have a VHS player. I have no interest in getting one. It just looks like shit. This stuff.

Yeah. I do get the appeal. I've got. one. I, you know, I have a little collection of some other VHS stuff. I'm probably going to sell most of it, though. I'm not really like using it. It's not like vinyl where it's like, oh man, this is like the most high quality and physical that you can get for like a difference. Yeah, that's the difference. Yeah. Vinyl is better than basically anything else. Like when I listen to things on vinyl, it sounds different. Yeah. VHS is the audio cassette tape of movies. It's actually crazy. Like how I, when I listen to a vinyl, a song sounds like completely different. I hear so much. much more in it. There's just so much more quality in it than like, yeah, listening on my AirPods. Like, even now, we still haven't gotten there in terms of that stuff. But yeah, VHS just looks like shit. Type or VHS. Yeah, exactly, or a laser disc. I mean, I guess you could say that about like film, you know, obviously like if you project a film, that's probably the best way to

get the quality out of it, right? I guess that that's like the equivalent. Final's like the equivalent of like a film projector is probably the best way you can watch something but you know 4K Blurays look good too pretty good and you know

they don't shoot things on film now they could transfer it to film but they don't really shoot on film that often I think that was they did that for Dune I guess I got like I got a little bit of nostalgia

for like you know when your like friend gives you gave you like a VHS tape and it had like random clips from like TV shows before the

the movie that was on that they recorded started or whatever that it was kind of funny to think about now but yeah i would never i'd never want to use one nowadays it's just so yeah old you could record over them too i'm more nostalgic for the things that came with the format rather than the format inherently so i loved those like ads before like the movie like old shitty vhs ads they're like fucking tell your parents that they should go to disney world you know a little shit. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I've forgotten about those. Yeah. A lot of those exist

on YouTube. There's a lot of people trying to preserve those things and archive. Even just like television commercials, there's like entire channels of like 80s television commercials that were just like recorded because they were recording the Simpsons or whatever. Like,

so they have all the commercials in between that they post and upload and you know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Yeah People would have shelves of like Simpsons episode Yeah you're bringing back all these old memories now

Yeah I recorded all the Simpsons all the time Yes I had my timer on my VHS It was something about the Simpsons I guess it's so rewatchable You just want to be other Yeah I think I recorded stuff as well

Yeah stuff on TV Yeah we're so spoiled now I mean we've always been Well yeah I just mean specifically into Like I can watch every episode of family going in Simpsons with one subscription now, man, it's ruining everything. Yeah.

Getting more and more spoiled in ways. Okay, let's end on this one. I doubt any of us have seen it, but I'm still curious what you think. Embarrassed Ger 1351 says this. Have you watched Netflix's cyberpunk edge runners? If so, what are your thoughts? Would recommend? No.

That's the two-de-thing thing. No. Yeah, it's kind of like an anime spinning off from cyberpunk. I never actually played cyberpunk, but the interesting part is that unlike what the Halo show attempted to try and like get another audience in on the game, this seems to be popping off. People are like playing the game thanks to how successful anime. It's that it's like highest, like user. Yeah, it's had like more concurrence than Witcher 3, which is crazy.

Really? considering. Yeah, like passed 100K concurrence. Yeah, then the all time for Witcher 3. It just passed. Yeah. Which is crazy because it's such a shit game. I'm gonna reinstall it right now.

Maybe they fixed it. Yeah, I have 108 hours in it. I don't remember, I don't remember anything about it. That's pretty funny. I have 100 hours in it. I don't remember anything about it. I remember Keanu was in it. I remember he was in it.

I don't remember like anything he did or said That's how they sold it, yeah Big Chung is I never got, I didn't play it enough to get to him Like Johnny, Johnny Silver Arm or Silverhands Some fucking shit Oh my God Yeah, I'll watch, sure, I'll watch

I'll watch, sure, I'll watch Along on my stream to it for a bit But it's not on my list of huge priorities right now I'll see it at some point I like the idea that it would be animated, I guess But I like PewD Yeah, I like this animators I'm waiting for one of these to actually like appeal to me, you know, like everyone was like raving

about arcane. I know people love it, but it wasn't really my sort of thing. How far did you watch? It was like a game time. I watched like five episodes or something. Because yeah, I watched one and I got bored and apparently episode three is where like you're supposed to like, if you're going to like it, you're going to like it then. So if you watched five, then you give it a really good time. Yeah, I heard that too. Yeah, it was really, because it really should be for me, but I just something about it. It wasn't so clicking. And then, yeah, you got the Halo show, which is like the IPA you actually care about, but it's just a disaster in show form.

My favorite show. Yeah, the Lord of the Rings show. Yeah. Even if they make it, it's not like they're going to do it right. The teaser trailer for The Last of Us got released today. I didn't tell you about it to watch it before. podcast because it didn't really, it's a teaser trailer. It doesn't really show much of anything.

I've seen some of the teaser stuff for it. It doesn't look bad. It is HBO. There's nothing about it that looks bad. At least it's not Paramount Plus. I've got more faith in HBO than Paramount Plus. Some weird casting. Oh, wouldn't it be funny if the new CEO of Warner Discovery said,

we're axing the last of us for tax purposes, like right before it comes out? Yeah, I think they have more faith in that than that back girl. there'll be a new Jan 6 riot if that happens Backroll is definitely bad That's why they asked You never know I mean I was expecting it to be bad I'm sure it was awesome

I would bet money on it They should release it anyway Yeah Yeah they should release it Probably saved a couple careers there By not releasing it Yeah Brendan Fraser Yeah

I don't know All right that's it for questions and I guess I think it's my turn to recommend a movie um yeah correct let's see if you recommend

because I have a thought I have a thing in mind I don't want you to recommend it because I'm gonna well let me hear what you gotta recommend I'll tell you if it's what I'm thinking I don't think it's what you're thinking um all right so it is spooky month

so I'm gonna assume that you're gonna recommend something spooky also later but uh yeah I don't even know if this is considered a horror film, but every time that there's a Reddit thread where people are like, what's the most disturbing movie or whatever? This one always gets mentioned. And it kind of looks really interesting. I usually don't trust those Reddit threads because they're usually full of shit, but some of them are interesting. This one seemed interesting.

This is a television film called Threads from 1984. I think it's British. Oh, okay. I think it's BBC. TV film about like nuclear war or something like nuclear fallout I think

apparently it's good I think I watched this in school oh you watch this okay interesting that'll be a cool for sure yeah yeah I've never seen it and it won four BAFTAs so we'll see what it's like directed by a Mick Jackson

that's a funny name and yeah I have no real expectations for it. I'm going in mostly blind. So if you would like to see threads before the next episode comes out, I mean, yeah, do that. I don't know where that sentence is going. We're going to talk about it, spoil a discussion. So if you don't want to be spoiled, watch it before the next episode comes out. These episodes come out every two weeks. You can listen to them early by going to patreon.com Sardonicast also sardonicast.com sign up for premium it's only $2 a month you'll hear these episodes early quite early for some of them because sometimes we record episodes early just for scheduling purposes

and we also got merch link in the description and we also there's a Sardonicast highlights channel that you should check out on YouTube and I think that's it there's um yeah there's other stuff that we'll probably talk about next episode anyway. But yeah, threads, literally 1984. Whoa. Yeah. Scary. It's all my watch list.

So that's good. Yeah. I will watch threads directed by Mick Jackson while eating McNuggets from McDonald's. And listening to Mick Jagger. Missing to Mick Jagger. Yeah. All right.

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