Sardonicast - Sardonicast 124: American Psycho feat. Joon Lee

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

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All right, three, two, one. I have to return some videotapes, except videotapes don't exist anymore. That was a quote from American Vandal. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is Sardonicast. Hello. I'm Ralph.

And I'm Alex from H.E., but that's not all. We've got someone else here with us. Oh, yeah, we have a guest. Please. introduce yourself. Hi guys, I'm June. It's a pleasure to be here. Hi. Nice to embeat you.

Yeah, what you were saying, Adam, there's not just like no videotapes anymore. There's no video stores or like video rental anymore. Like, that's not even a thing at all anymore. Video tapes are becoming a kind of hipster thing like vinyl, except without the quality. 824 released. Yeah. like a hundred copies or something of climax on VHS and I wasn't not able to snag one and I'm kind of mad and I don't know why I'm mad I don't know why I want it yeah why you're mad

you don't need a VHS you don't need a player so who's our what does our guest do sorry for sorry for asking you in the third person I was like who's taking this one guys who's taking it um I am an actor comedian and MC host. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. I have some questions for you. So we met through like a, like a mutual friend of mine, like kind of hooked us up, hooked this gig up for me. Her name is Jama. And yeah, she like, we went to college together, but she's like, oh, there's this actor who can be on your podcast. He wants to be on your podcast. I'm like, yeah, okay, it sounds good. And yeah. So I want to ask you about this, like some of the things you're working on. You're working on

like some like kind of high profile stuff like you're in this this Netflix series uh the brother's son I guess it's called right and coming out like next year has Michelle yo in it so yeah just like tell us about that like I want to know about that yeah I is so I'm on a new show coming out called the brother's son son as in the sun in the sky that's always a clarification I think I'll have to make okay not a because when it comes after the word brother you feel like it's the son of a you know, son of a parent. But his brother's son is based... See, see, see, people...

I get it now. It's like the clarification. It helps. Yep, yep, yep. And so it's based off the Taiwanese triad. And that takes place kind of majority in L.A. And so it's based around the family. Michelle Yo plays the mother.

And the two main characters are these two brothers, you know, very seemingly different lives. And my character, I play the best friend of the younger brother Sam. And my character's name is TK. And so I'm the only Korean guy on the show and pretty much the cast. So I feel foreign as well. So I'm working alongside, you know, a lot of wonderful Chinese and Taiwanese actors and castmates. And I'm the lone star Korean dude.

Are you playing a Korean character or no? Yes, I'm a Korean playing a Korean. Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. And how'd you like get that gig? I got it through a open call. And so I saw it kind of circulating around Instagram and just social media as well. And so a couple people sent it to me. And I've come across a few open calls before and just this one, I guess kind of stuck out to me. And I thought, you know, why not? Let's give it a try. And so I did it through an open call. I didn't have a theatrical manager. were agent at the time. And I, yeah, I ended up getting it. Yeah, that's cool.

Yeah, I don't know if you're allowed to say or whatever. Like, you know, I like to say much about the show. How does it end? You have any... No, not that. Do you have any scenes with, like, Michelle Yo? Like, did you have, did you get to, like, meet her on set or whatever? Oh, yeah.

So I have, I have, you know, multiple scenes with her because since I'm the best friend... Oh, great. I get... It's a lot of the scenes where, you know, we're at home, eating. or just, you know, having meetings out the house. So those scenes, I get to work alongside with her a lot. And, yeah, I only have really good things to say about Michelle, in all honesty. She's, I think what I like most about her is she has a great sense of humor.

And she's light and she's fun. And like the story that I told her is there was one scene where it was kind of a tense scene where especially her character was kind of cold, annoyed, and angry. And she storms out of the house. And so I'm off camera because I was just in the shot. And so I'm just waiting for the scene to end. As soon as she turns the corner and she's off camera, we make eye contact. She winks at me and smiles.

Like, she had this really stern, cold face. But as soon as she turns the corner, she looks at me and then she winks and smiles. And so that's kind of, that's a story that I think that'll really stick with me. And then she also gives great hugs. That's my fun fact about it. Yeah, she seems like a very nice woman. She's fun. She's fun.

Yeah. And she likes to drink. And so I can't, you know? Like, it doesn't get much better. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, she seems cool from just like, I was watching like the everything all at once, like behind the scenes. She seems like she was having a lot of fun during that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure she's cool to be around. Yeah. I was good actor too. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, that's cool. So there was also this, I was looking up like other kind of things. things you were in and you're in this short film called, you know, I don't exactly know

to pronounce the pronunciation, pronounce, pronounce, I can't even say that word. I can't even say that word. Jesus Christ. Are you nervous? Yeah, yeah, I guess so a little bit. But there's like, the short films called like, Neh. Is that how you say it? Oh, that's perfect. Yeah, that's perfect. Okay, good. So I wasn't sure. Okay, so net. And it was on, I think it was on HBO or something. So you want to tell us a little bit about that too, because I just saw it was like on your filmography. Like, oh, that looks interesting. I haven't seen it.

So, Ned, we actually just did that last year. So we shot a short film. The director hit me up and kind of seemed like a right fit. So it's based off a, it's a Korean-American guy, goes on a date with a white girl and takes her to a Korean restaurant, but he can't speak Korean or he's very, very poor at it. So it's a typical Asian-American kind of story where, You kind of have this identity struggle where you look and feel, and you are Korean, but, you know, being born and raised in America, you kind of lose your native tongue. And so he happens to go to a Korean restaurant and then kind of everything unfolds at the restaurant.

Yeah, sure. That sounds awesome. Yeah. And was it like on HBO or like how did that happen? Am I sure the connection? Yeah, yeah, yeah. he was just going to take it kind of, I think, like the festival routes and just submit it through, I forgot the YouTube page, but this kind of big short film page. And he was just going to go through that route.

But then they finished editing apparently the day before submissions were due. HBO does an annual Asian American short film contest. And so he apparently just finished editing right before the deadline. So he submitted it, thought why not? And he didn't tell anyone. And then he asked to grab coffee a few months after we finished shooting. And he said, hey, by the way, I submitted it to the HBO contest. I was like, oh, that's cool.

And he's like, oh, and we won. So there were like two winners. Wow. Yeah, that's how that happened. And so they had a premiere for us. And we got to go to the L.A. premiere. And then I flew out, flew myself out to the New York premiere too. So it was quite a blast.

And I had no idea that seven, eight months later, I would be doing the brother's son. Yeah, that probably helped you out with getting that gig. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't even heard of that festival for HBO, so I'm going to have to check that out later on. Yeah, because, you know, I wasn't sure if, like, HBO, like, produced it at first, but, like, from how you said, it's, like, they just made the short film and gave it to HBO and HBO, like, got the rights to it or, you know, like, something like that. They distributed it. Cool.

So they didn't really have an involvement in, like, the making of it, which is, you know. you know, because I was kind of confused on that. It's not like Chernobyl or anything. Yeah, that's cool, though. It's not like, no kind of like interference from HBO. It's like a computer, like a purely like original like artistic vision, you know. I like that. Yes.

I don't really have much else to ask you. Aside from that, do you guys have like any like questions about June like general acting stuff? I'm sure we have a couple things. Well, that's some stuff that kind of seeps into our realm on YouTube because I looked up here. Instagram and saw your link and saw you have a podcast of your own. I do. And I was going through one of the episodes where you're talking. The title was like hot takes or something like this.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it was relevant. You were talking about like the going to movie theater alone and League of Legends. Oh, wait, I said something about League of Legend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he said something about sinking three hours into League of Legends. at the library or something like this.

That's cool. Yeah, we've had that kind of question before. Like, do you go to the movie theater alone? Like, we've been asked that on like our Reddit. And we're like, yeah, that's fine. Like, it's kind of like a stigma against it. But we're just like, no, it's fine. Yeah, it's different, but it's good.

It's nice. Oh, it's great. It is great. Yeah. It's kind of more personal. Yeah. Sometimes there's like an art movie that like your friends don't want to see. It's like, all right, well, I want to see it.

So I think First Reforms was like that. Like, no one wanted to go see that with me. It's like this weird, like, art movie or whatever. I love seeing that. We're like, good time. That's how I saw a good time. That was like my favorite movie that year. Yeah, I watch a lot of nonsense art movies.

What I brought my boyfriend to Toronto Film Festival, I was like, okay, I'm just warning you, like, there's going to be a lot of movies here where you're just, you're not going to understand what's going on and it's fine and you're not necessarily supposed to. Yeah. I've seen some weird movies on dates. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So on that note, too, I'm a fan of watching a movie on a date. Even if perhaps even like a first date, I know that's a hot take. But I think people are doing the order wrong because I think ideally you, you watch the movie and then grab dinner or drinks. So you watch like a matinee or something. And then so during dinner or drinks, you have. have something to talk about. You can either praise the movie or shit on it. Either way, you have something to just kind of

get the conversation roll and break the ice. And during a movie, people think it's awkward, uncomfortable, or weird because it's silence, but there's this weird sense of intimacy that is light and it's fun. Especially if it's like a horror movie, there's light skin contact here and there. There's little jump scares.

Yeah, that's true. I think it can be kind of cute, and I think that is kind of a taboo and stigma that You know, I think if you just do it, I think you're just doing it wrong and it can be fun. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, you've made a pretty good case. Yeah, yeah. You've clearly thought it's through.

Yeah, I've done both. Yeah. Like, when I saw Nope, that was like a second date kind of thing. Like, we ready, but we did the drinks after. We, like, went to dinner after. Yeah, so we like talked about the movie for like an hour. Like, yeah, there's all this, like, symbolism. Yeah, so that was interesting.

But at the same time, when I saw Vortex, That's a weird date movie Because it's about a couple Out of me to see That's a weird date movie But like I don't know We got drinks before I had like

This is somewhere in like New York City Like IFC center Like around there I had like the strongest beer Like I've ever had I had one glass Delirium

I think like 20 It's like 20% alcohol or something like that Like I was 20% Yeah It was like crazy I don't know what Delirium Tremens probably That Belgian beer

That might be it I'm like oh this is interesting Like, you don't even taste it really, but like, man, I was like fucked up during that movie. Like, I was watching the whole movie. I was like, I was like, whoa, dude. I am drunk. Like, this is crazy. That's probably why I enjoyed it so much.

I'm a fan of that. That's fun. I actually like that too. That was fun. I've seen scary movies kind of tipsy and that's fun. It's just such a weird movie to watch like that because it's so like dark and whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you could make the case for both.

Sure. There was one date that I had that was the first date where we saw a movie. And because I was doing like Vancouver Film Festival stuff anyway, I was like, oh, I'm going to be seeing this. I might have an extra ticket. And so this guy that I'm meeting for the first time. And I also brought, you know, some other friends that were going to see the movie anyway. And after the show, my roommate, my friend, who you met earlier, Guy, is like, oh, yeah, that guy, I actually know that guy. He's dating someone else and he turned out to be a massive piece of shit.

He was just like, yeah, he was like, he was cheating. He was trying to use, he was trying to cheat on someone else with our first date. And so, yeah, that was a, that was a, yeah, a fucking piece of shit. I have trust issues already, but now I have someone at least. Yeah, that's awful. You got to ask during the trailers. It's like, so, are you in a relationship or? Yeah, at this point, that's kind of, yeah.

Yeah, people are weird. Yeah. Big F. You're kind of a comedian also. Like, you do comedy stuff on Instagram. I saw you have some funny post on there. I mean, you better be if your Instagram handle is going to have the word comedy in it. If it's self-proclaimed, I better be something.

I would hope. Yeah. It's just like, it's just like depressing facts. Like, your feed is just like, oh, I'm going to review the movie threads. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's like how this show is. Yeah. But there's a lot of actors in like L.A. do that. They kind of try like they do stand-up comedy and they also act. Like I've seen some stand-up acts from like actor friends of mine. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is pretty good. Like the comedy seller. Have you ever done stand-up? I've dabbled it in, not in L.A. It's, that's my first love of comedy. I grew up with stand-up because my brother listens to a lot of stand-up. So I grew up with that. But I, um, I, I've dabbled it in, not in L.A. It's, that's, that's, I took the content route, and so I do like a lot of the sketch comedies growing up on Chappelle's Show and Key & Peel. And that's kind of the form I really enjoyed doing.

And I found that doing it through social media and Instagram, I treat it like an online portfolio of sorts because my end goal has always been TV film, Hollywood, what have you. And so, you know, if I've noticed that so many people are getting recognized and pick up through social media, and my only hope is that hopefully through that transition, you know, I'll be still talented enough as an actor to be able to deliver on the, you know, big screens as well. Yeah, sure. Yeah, good strategy. Mm-hmm, definitely. If people think you're funny in like something, even if it's stand up or, yeah, your posts, they like kind of like, like, oh, I could make him a role in a movie. That's like funny also.

Yeah, right. There's people that are like, more serious roles or traumatic roles later, you know? There's people that are just like huge memesters that build their careers that way. Like they help elevate their. Like Lil Nas X, definitely like the memes helped the career. Not to say the music is bad. Good, good musician.

Right, right. In terms of like having like a following, you know. Yeah. The following, especially nowadays, can only help. Even with casting directors, a lot of nowadays, I think in today's game, a lot of casting directors do check out your Instagram just to see what's up, just to get a look and feel of, at the very least, your persona that you give off online. How spicy are tweets?

Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It can't be too spicy. So are we going to cast in the Mandalorian? Yeah. Gina.

Yeah. I actually feel that with content creators, because I know, you know, stand-up is still kind of the most respected route and has the most notoriety. But I do think, you know, content creators, there's a lot of, it's a bigger pool and it's a very saturated. And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of lack of a better word, trash out there. I agree. But I do think that even with content creators, they're the future generation of, you know, future direct. because content creators kind of have to do everything because it's low budget. You do it by yourself, especially when you're starting out.

So you're doing the writing, you're doing the directing, storyboarding, shooting, editing, and lighting and what have you, and acting as well. So I think it kind of builds a lot of rudimentary and fundamental skills that if you take it seriously and you go in that route, they could be potentially cool directors in the future. Yeah, I mean, David F. Sandberg was posting shorts to YouTube, and he still posts to YouTube, the director of Shazam and Lights Out. Oh. You know, like, he's a YouTuber kind. Like, I mean, we can consider him a YouTuber, really.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that Lights Out short, I think, was just like YouTube first. And then it became a movie later. The career, honestly. That's a cool idea. Yeah, it depends on what kind of content you're making. really in terms of whether or not it'll train you for something like that.

But I do agree that, you know, we're in a generation where people who are artists now have the ability to express themselves and share their art with people, you know, without as much red tape. You don't need anybody in between you and your audience. You can just kind of create and share. And so naturally, people who, you know, might have been directors or actors or comedians. anyway will probably have some presence on social media because like why wouldn't they you know artists generally want to express themselves so sure yeah that's funny like uh about like stand-up comedians or whatever this like this kind of stigma against YouTubers and I guess I could say that because

I'm a YouTuber like like they're like comedians or what yeah or like they're like comedians who have no talent so they do YouTube instead of like that is like kind of a stigma but you know stand-up comedy is really difficult like it's not just like people People think like you just go up there and tell some jokes. It's not. Like, you need to have a lot of, like, confidence and, like, have done it many, many times. Yeah. I mean, I mean, isn't there like an old statistic that's probably still reigns true that

stand up or at the very general basis of stage, being on stage is the number one fear of humans. Yeah, probably. Yeah, like stage fright. It's like the number one, the number one thing. Yeah, that's a real thing. And like, most comedians who got up there early on in their career, they, like, suck. Yeah. I've seen that before.

Yeah, it's part of the process. Yeah. If I were to ever try stand-up comedy, I would have the benefit of likely performing to a bunch of people that already like me and already just find me funny no matter what I do. Whereas, like, people starting out and building their audience in stand-up comedy, you're really just rolling the die as to whether or not people are just going to not gel with the type of humor that you have. your personality or whatever your looks, who knows. Exactly. A lot more risks in that sense. I got the beauty of, with emceeing, you know, in between transitions,

that's where I test out kind of my bits and stuff. And let me tell you, man, the thing with stand-up comedians, that silence is deafening. It is loud. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When a joke doesn't hit, when a joke doesn't hit, and then that silence that comes after it, man, it's piercing.

Yeah, you hear one guy like cough in the back. Or that pity laugh? Oh, yeah. I love cringe, though. And so in my mind, I'm just like, own it. Just fucking own it. Yeah, exactly. I love cringe.

Like, sometimes the deafening silences can be more funny to me than actual laughter. But I'm weird. Yeah. No, I completely agree. I think that's the one advice I always give people and they ask about emceeing or hosting is you got to realize even if it's a room of a thousand people, you're the one with the mic, so you have full control. And so you can't, when you make the shift of when you no longer let the audience control

you, it makes a world of a difference. And I always make this joke of my audience was always primarily Asian, Koreans or Asian. And I grew up in Georgia, so sometimes I would get a handful of black people in the audience. And that's, by the way, the best audience to have, you know, black folks in the audience. They gave you verbal affirmation. Yeah. We suck at that. We are very, very bad at that.

We're too cautious of the people next to us. And so so many times I've done events where, you know, I felt I did pretty well. And then the audience is very quiet silence. And then people come up to me afterwards, like, June, you, I was rolling on my back. I was crying. I was like, where were you? I needed you. Where was that?

You kept it all in your head. I needed that. And so I tell people, I got the best training. I got the hardest training with Asians. Yeah. Yeah. There should be, I'm sure there's like a service where you can just pay one guy to show up to your shows and go, ha, ha, the every joke. And then just get people going.

I'm sure that, I'm sure someone's for higher. They must be. Oh, yeah. I'd do that. Yeah. If you invite friends and family, that helps. Like, I've been a stand-up acts for my friends before, like, close friends. Yeah, like, obviously you'll laugh because you don't want to hurt their feelings or whatever. But that helps.

Laughter is kind of contagious, too. Like, if four people are laughing, then a couple more people will laugh. It's kind of like a domino effect, I feel, too. I feel, like, pretty supportive of my friends. But sometimes I remember I was, like, in high school, and one of my friends did, Edmonton, where I'm from, has a huge theater community, and there was just this one act festival going on, and one of my friends put on a thing.

And it was over, and it wasn't good, but I was like, I started clapping, and I stood up. And then one of my friends next to me was just like, no, sit back down. I was like, okay, I realized no one else is going to do this. Yeah, you're a homie. You're the homie. Yeah, good. You got to be supportive of your friends.

Yeah, very nice. Very nice. Cool, cool. Okay, so yeah, we learned a lot about our guest here. Do we want to move on to like a film talk, a film discussion? We started talking about at the beginning before we changed topics. We started talking about video stores and now videotapes don't exist anymore, but they kind of do. I don't know if we had more to add on that.

Yeah, but more so like video rentals have like those don't really exist anymore. There's red box or whatever. But like I used to love like going to blockbuster and like renting movies. That was such a process. Like I love doing that. And I had like the monthly membership. Oh yeah. You get like two movies a week or whatever.

But now it's like, yeah, now it's none of that. Now it's just like whatever shit you see on Netflix. And they kind of took some of the magic away from me. Like I kind of miss video stores for that. How old are you, June? 29. 29. Okay, cool.

Because like sometimes I, we talk about these ancient relics. known as like video stores, I'm not sure if... I guess it's good. I, uh, well, look, I have a brother that's eight years older, so I kind of got a taste of his generation into mine, but I grew up, I grew up with Blockbuster, and it was walking distance from my house, and I can still remember the smell walking in, um, like the carpet and, and just going through the aisles. And, yeah, I agree.

You, I do miss the novelty experience. Right. I worked at Blockbuster. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I was the only person there that knew anything about movies. It was crazy.

I don't say that as in like having the right opinion about movies. I don't mean that. I mean like knowing basic things like everybody else that was working there was just a job. It was just I'm here to make money and I work in customer service. And so someone, a customer would come up and be like, oh, what's a good recommendation? And every other employee would just be like, ask Adam because he's actually seen some of the movies here and nobody else actually watch it. It was crazy. Adam, so that means you were the grocery store employee that can just guide everyone to which aisle.

He's like, you know, where can I watch? Or who has tried any of the food. You can tell you what some of the food is like. Not just the employee that would give you the top wrecks on Yelp, right? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's so many movies I discovered just from that, like going to the video store. Like, there's so many obscure movies that people are like, how'd you know about that movie?

It's just like, yeah, I was at Blockbuster and I like the cover. You know, that's a whole other thing. Yeah. Judge them by the cover. Yeah. No, the covers. That was the big thing. Just being surrounded by covers in the different sections.

Each one had like a different vibe to it. Yeah. Now movies are so, yeah, they're so different now because people just like look at the rating or whatever on letterbox. Like, oh, is it a good movie? But back then it was just like whatever cover like grabbed your attention or like some genre. Like the genre section. Like I want to watch every horror movie. Yeah.

It's like something like that. It was so different. It's just weird. things change. And yeah, I feel like younger people are missing out. That's just how I feel about it. I do miss the era of movie posters and just the cover.

Because when you go to a cinema, movie theater, like, when you see a really good movie poster, it sticks with you and it kind of stays with you. You know, oh, that was a really cool. I'm intrigued. Yeah. And even with like blockbuster, you see the cover. And so I do miss that. Yeah, for sure

There were like three movie rental places within walking distance of me. One of them was Blockbuster, which I eventually worked at. Another one was a place that offered seven movies, seven days, seven dollars, as long as they were old VHS. Wow.

So anything that wasn't a new release. And so that's what sparked me doing my, I guess, horror movie phase because there would be like seven Nightmare on Elm Street. movies I'd be like, well, just rent them all on VHS, play them. I watched Evil Dead that way and like, know what you did last summer, just a bunch of slasher things. So that was awesome.

And then my favorite rental place was a place called the movie studio where they just gave you free popcorn. You didn't even have to like rent a movie. Kids would just walk in there and be like, can have some popcorn? They'd be like, yep. And they actually cared so much about their selection. and they had like a great alternative section of just stuff that didn't fit into any particular genre, which I always loved.

And you could ask them to order in weird things just from the internet. So just in their store, they would have rentals for red versus blue DVDs and like strong bad emails, just things where it's like, oh, a DVD exists. Let's order it in. Somebody requested it. And they actually, I kid you not,

they had a section not blocked off or anything. For hentai. It was just, there's a hentai section. And it was, oh, wow. Yeah. It was a really, really cool video store that I'm sure does not exist anymore. But I miss you, the movie studio in Edmonton, Alberta. Yeah, they were a few of those. Yeah, the ones that just talk around the corner. Yeah. They're a fan of the arts. Yeah, there's still a couple of video stores left, but they're very, like, novelty places.

I remember a place in L.A., and I just looked it up. It's called Cynophile Video Movie Rental. Like, that's like the only one I could think of that's like, like, still open. And that was a really nice one. Like, they didn't just have new movies. They had like different genres, like, you know, kind of old genre, like black exploitation, like those kinds of movies. They had like movies sorted by director. So they had like directors section, like only Scorsese movies, only like Brian De Palma. And it was like all ordered.

They even had like little like grocery bags with like Corasawa on it or whatever. Like directors. Hey, goodbye. I'm like, oh, that was so cool. Yeah, but that's kind of like a more novelty thing. Like, there's not a lot of places like that left, sadly. Yeah, and even that's, like, not the same. There's one more video rental place from Edmonton that I forgot to mention.

The Lobby on White Ave, which is run by, I think, just one guy. And it's mostly horror movies. This guy loves horror movies. And it'll just have them playing. And there's like a couch and a TV just in the, the video store place, just playing horror movies on loop on repeat. And so you have to go down some stairs and you'll just

hear like screaming and chain saws and just all this stuff. And when I was there, I'm not sure if this is still the case, but what I was there, it shared a building with a daycare. Which was the funniest thing to me. Just kids like drop off your kids like in the next door over. It's like screaming and chainsaws happening. Yeah, they hear it next door. Yeah.

That was awesome. Yeah. That is cool. Good old nostalgia. I guess... Good days. I guess we can talk about the film recommendation from Ralph. There was a movie that we all watched.

Speaking of screening and horror. And chainsaws, actually. Yeah, yeah, that's true too. The movie from... Yeah, we'll get right into it. I guess the movie from 2002 called American Psycho, directed by Mary Harron, right? I think that's he said.

And starring Christian Bale. Christian Bale, one of his most iconic roles. One of the most iconic films, probably after Batman or whatever. Like right after Batman. It's from 2000, not 2002. The sequel was 2002. Sorry.

Did I say 2002? I think you did. I thought he said 2000. Well, American Psycho 2. There's a sequel? What? We'll talk about that too.

Wait, yeah, save that. So, I had no idea. Yeah, starring Milikunis, yeah. We'll mention it after. I heard 2002. Okay, I meant to say 2000. Yeah. So, the plot is like Christian Bale is like this businessman.

Spoilers. Is also, spoilers. It's also a murderer. He also kills people randomly on the street, kills homeless people. He kills prostitutes. And he's a totally insane person. And it's presented as like kind of a satire of like, you know, businessmen, how they're all psychopaths and satire of like America and capitalism in a way. And it's a very funny movie and it's also like a very performance driven movie.

Like people were saying on like the subreddit too. It's like this is a very like relevant movie even now just in how it's memed. Like people still meme this movie and like in a good way. though, not in like a bad way, like Morbius is, like, in a way that's like complimentary. Like, there's lots of genuinely funny parts and like his performance in this movie is so, like, electrifying and exciting. Like, you remember his character, Patrick Bainman, and he's so interesting, even though he's a bad person, like, he's so interesting to watch that it keeps you going through the whole movie.

And, you know, there's not a lot of movies like that where you're watching like a really horrible person, but at the same time, you're kind of like interested in them and kind of rooting for them maybe in some way. You just want them to like, I don't know, he's just like a very interesting character. I love movies like that. I love character studies about like bad people, but they're also like compelling in some way or even maybe sympathetic because, you know, he does have some sense of remorse and he's trying to like, he's almost trying to get himself caught in some way. I disagree that he has a sense of remorse. I don't think.

Yeah, I disagree too. Yeah. Well, he's trying to, but he starts feeling guilty about the idea of being caught. That's when he starts getting guilty He's like, I don't think I'm going to get away with this anymore He almost gets so ridiculous with his like murder rampages that it's like he's even subconsciously trying to get caught But the thing is he doesn't and that's part of the movie too he doesn't face any repercussions for his actions there is no like

There's just no yeah he doesn't face any repercussions for what he's doing he just keeps killing people and he's like He keeps getting away with it basically He's like he gets away with everything at the end And it's so interesting to watch. And it kind of hammers home the message of the film even more that like, you know, they're all like, this behavior is kind of encouraged to some way in like the business sphere. And I love the dialogue too. It feels like, you know, this movie is a satire.

But I feel it could almost take it literally too because it is about people who are so privileged and so disconnected from like how most people live that like these weird conversations they have could almost be seen as like completely literal. even when they're acting like cartoon characters. Like, if you do know people like that, they are kind of that way. Like, they are kind of like weirdos. And yeah, there's a lot to like read into there. So what did you guys think of it? What did you think of it, June?

I really, I did enjoy it a lot. I'm a big fan of thrillers, psychological thrillers in those kinds of movies. And then a big fan of Christian Bale as well. His performance was crazy. Apparently there's a fun fact that he, he, I think it was for this movie where he could sweat on command, where every single take during a specific part of that scene, like sweat would start. Method sweating, yeah. That's insane.

That's like, that's psycho. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's a great performance. He could do it on cue, apparently. I love movies that have, that are kind of, especially when the director has a sense of security where it allows people to have their own interpretations. And personally, I don't know if he did all the killings. Perhaps he did a few, but I don't think he did all of them. Because if, I mean, if you take the movie kind of in a realistic sense in a realm,

I don't even know if the detective is, I forgot his name. I forgot the actor's name. Wonderful. Yes. I don't even know if he's real. Because the way he sweats, the way there's blood everywhere, there's just too much evidence that's too obvious where it's impossible to get away with those crimes.

I mean, that's like a different theory. But yeah, like touching upon just how out of touch with humanity he is and the world that he's in, the conversations that he has with his coworkers just almost seem scripted and rehearsed. And they're saying a bunch of nothing, pretending to care about the different countries of the world, the political issues when in fact, really, they're just so in their own bubble. And it's just, like, little conversations that they have. Yeah, right. There's like this scene in the beginning, they're like, they're saying all this horrible shit, basically, in that, the first conversation they have, like, all because it's kind of like misogynist or whatever. But then one of them

says something. And he's like, hey, don't be anti-Semitic or whatever. It's like so insincere. So, like, yeah, like manipulate. But then at the same time, the things they do care about, like Patrick Fabian, they'll probably one of the best scenes of this movie. the business cards. He's like, he's obsessive, obsessive over these business cards. And it's like, yeah, that also could make like for a great short film. Like, that's how good like that scene is. But yeah, it's just like, these little things that like, that kind of like tarnish his ego or like pick out his ego a little bit. Like that's what really hurts him. And that's kind of like how those people are. You could even interpret that card scene as his motivation for killing

Jared Lato's character later. That's kind of the level of depravity that this guy is on. It's almost like an anti-movie, like the main character. He kind of starts off saying that, uh, I simply am not there. He like stands for nothing, believes in nothing. He has these speeches saying, yeah, we've got to feed the homeless and shelter them. And then like the next scene, he's like stabbing someone to death. He's just like a hedonistic, materialistic maniac. Yeah.

Kills his dog. I think that that part of the opening monologue actually serves, um, more. than one purpose. I think that that kind of hints at the idea that this film really is not about a literal person, that it is about the person as a concept and what this person represents. And the obsession with materialism is, especially in the 1980s and this quest for, you know, the whole Wall Street and like money is power and this, this overwhelming drive. an urge, especially for Americans to put profit and status above all else. I'm going to read a bit of the monologue at the end here, actually. There's an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction,

but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there. And so, yeah, it does tie into, his, I guess, sociopathic or what's the word, yeah, I guess sociopathic would be a psychopathic, American Psycho. Yeah, his inability to connect with other people. We hear him talking about how he interprets, I think it was like a Whitney Houston song or I forget which artist.

And his takeaway is just like, oh yeah, no one can feel empathy for other people, but you can always feel empathy for yourself. And it's like, that was his reading of the song. And this even gets repeated at the very end of the movie. Like one of the, I think maybe the final line inside his head or one of the final lines was, what did he say? He said, what's inside doesn't matter, right? I think part of what it's getting at is when they say that behind his face mask,

you know, this sort of ego that he's painted on, himself to elevate his status. Because they're saying there's nothing behind that, I guess what they're also saying is that he is the sum of his possessions in a way, which is also kind of what he's trying to be. It's kind of what he views himself as is the sum of his possessions, the sum of his status, the sum of his ability to get into certain restaurants. And yeah, that's a little bit of a ramble, but I think that that's... No, that makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah, and to your point, too, about, like, that it's embodying, like, not just, like, one character, but, like, kind of a collection of ideas of, like, you know, that psychopathic kind of behavior and, like, business or whatever. There's a lot of, like, mistaken identity in the movie or, like, people pretending to be other people, people, people confusing people with other people. Yeah, he doesn't exist. There's a lot of that in the film. Yeah, exactly. He literally, like, doesn't. In a little sense, in the film.

He's an idea, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He lacks any identity. Yeah. Uh-huh. And like people, like, he pretends to be Paul Allen, his lawyer at the end, confuses that, you know, that he doesn't even think he's Patrick Bateman. It's implied like that.

Like, he thinks he's somewhat else. Like, it's very confusing. But yeah, that does kind of. His identity is his business card. His identity, you know, just all of his possessions. Yeah. And it goes in like, okay, is this in his head or not? Because the lawyer says, like, he was with Paul Allen, like, at the end of the movie.

He had dinner with him at some point, even though it's like after the point, like way past the point where he died. But you could also interpret it like, okay, maybe he confused Paul Allen with like some other businessman because these people are so interchangeable. Like they all dress the same. They all act the same. And that's like the point of the business card scene too. They're all like, yeah, like they all have their business cards. They're all just trying to one up each other. They're all the same.

Like they're all playing the same game. And it's just like, yeah, it's like this like toxic kind of thought. It's a movie directed by a woman, but it has like, it's like a great movie about like kind of toxic men or like. masculinity. Yeah, toxic like kind of behavior of like men. Yeah. And it's like a great example of that, I think, too. Like, it's not just like, oh, well, men can't, like, men just don't have to make movies like that.

Like a woman can make a great movie about like a male dominated industry like the kind of business people. Yeah. And make it like really compelling. I think it's actually great that this was directed by a woman because I think that also allowed. public and critical perception to the satire becomes a bit more obvious. There's been films that have been equally as satirical that have been directed by men

like under the Silver Lake where they would have scenes of like, oh, there's a topless woman and there's a man treating a woman terribly, but then people would call it sexist, whereas like this film, people don't really call this film sexist, even though it has like the equivalency of scenes.

I would, I would argue like even weirder or more suss, if we want to call it, scenes than under the Silver Lake. Like, he's chopping these girls up and like, fuck, just there's an entire scene where he's just gang bang and two women and there's lots of nudity. It serves a purpose. Sure. Of course. Yeah, there is a purpose to it.

I would argue there is equally a purpose in under the Silver Lake. But yeah, it's just doesn't have the same response critically. Yeah, exactly right. For sure. Yeah, even in saying that, though, this has come up in episodes before about the satire angle. The satire is so good that it does leave a portion of the audience, weirdly romanticizing this main character. It's literally me. Yeah, instead of seeing the psychopaths what he is.

Yeah, I think that... I think the sentiment that a lot of people can either relate with or observe in other people is this. especially with Patrick Bateman, because there's, I forgot the quote, but he has this level of self-awareness, but it's to the point where he's so out of touch that he has awareness that he's not there,

but he can't do anything about it. Even if he wants something to be done about it, and it almost seems like even with the murders, there's almost like a cry for help. And even when he admits to it, confesses it to those people, they don't even care. Because, A, these kinds of heinous acts are

common in this world that he's in blue-collar, white-collar crime, what have you. And not only is it common, but they don't care. And it just kind of also shows the very superficial relationships, interactions that goes on. And even with Patrick Bateman, he falls in love with the image of himself, becomes obsessed with the presentation of himself. And I see that a lot in L.A. culture. And it's very easy to get sucked into when you're in it. And so when I was outside of California, it's easy to very, there's so many memes about California. There's so many memes about people in LA, like types of people in L.A.

But when you're in it, when you join kind of the echo chamber and the bubble, it becomes a little bit more normalized. And so not to talk about any sort of thing, but just as a general principle, if not careful, it's very easy to become a part of your environment. right? Yes. Yeah. I agree.

Yeah. It's funny how people idolize him. It's so weird. I mean, he's so funny in the movie, so I get it. But yeah. It's this, it's this, it's this funny kind of dichotomy of a very, like a hot serial killer. That's very common in Hollywood. And who, who's the, who's the, who's the, I'm Blankin.

Zach Ephron played him, just played him. Who's the really famous man? Domber? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not, Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy? Oh, yeah. It's like, because he had that call.

He had a, he had a posse. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, it might definitely be playing up on that. And he even mentioned serial killers in the movie. Like, he quotes them, like, out of nowhere. And people are you talking about? Yeah, and the show I never fully understood. I don't know if this show is mainly terrible.

kind of targeted for women, but the show, you, I never fully got it. But then, you know, people, a lot of girls make memes out of it. It's like, oh, it's, you know, it is kind of romantic. He did all that for me. He killed somewhere for me. That's kind of like cute, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

I've heard of that show too. Yeah. I'm like, yo, what are you saying right now? But, you know, the fact he, the main character is kind of a kind of a cute guy. It's just that is a funny observation. Yeah, that is funny I love the satirical angle of this movie

That's like what really makes it work But again like you can take the movie As it's all in his head Or some of it's in his head Where you can take the whole film Completely literally like okay All of this happened It's just people don't care

There's like I was thinking Like there's a scene at the bar In the beginning when he's talking to a waitress And he's like I'm gonna kill you You bitch or something like that But like you could take that As like he's talking like To the audience like kind of breaking the fourth wall

Or you could see It is like, he's just saying that to the waitress, but, you know, they're in a loud environment. Maybe she didn't hear him. Or maybe he's just like, you know, he's paying her. Like, she's working for tips. She's working for money. So she just kind of ignores it because that's part of her job. And you can take the whole film that way, too.

And there's a lot of interactions in the movie like that. People think he's joking, I think, in a lot of the scenes. Like, because no one would ever seriously say something like that. Oh, yeah, they're cool to the lawyer. And then the lawyer at the end also thinks it's, you know. I would probably ignore. if somebody like, like, there's no body

you're just going to tell me, I kill people. As the audience you know, but like, yeah, if you're just like a random person in that kind of world, you wouldn't suspect it really. Even though he's literally telling people like, I killed these people. I killed these people. They don't listen to him. Right.

And that's great. The way he says it, like you would never expect that it's a serious confession anyway. Yeah. If you were in that reality. I do think that the diary that they found is real. I think his entries are real where he probably does have psychopathic thoughts and

where he kind of, the drawings of like killing women or like the general entries that he raised. I think those are very real where he's just kind of conflicted. He's like he has this bloodlust and he doesn't know what to do with it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't although yeah, you can experience the film as like literal narrative. At this point, I just don't. In terms of how I interpret it, this film to me is kind of almost like the equivalent of like the Holy Mountain. A very different movie, but where it's like, okay, you're talking about ideas. It's not necessarily like a straightforward, like a literal narrative of things that are happening. This is more about what you're trying to say about the ideas

in the film. That's what it is to me anyway. It's this perfect like middle ground. Yeah, it works really well metaphorically. Yeah, it works really well, but what I mean is like, I did watch this movie around Halloween time. It's this kind of weird Halloween movie because it's not like exactly what you think of for like a scary movie or whatever, but I did watch this Halloween, like sometime in high school, like senior year, I think of like maybe 2014 and like, you know, I was at a Halloween party. I'm like, yeah, let's put this on. And everyone really enjoyed it. Like it was a great Halloween movie. And like you could take it literally in that way. But like as it goes on, it gets more and more like abstract and confusing.

I think that's really what's great about. Like the Patrick Bateman character, he is like a serial killer who'd see in something like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. But he's like, again, because he has, because he's the businessman, no one suspects him. No one thinks he's like a bad person because like in our culture, we usually don't. It's like impossible.

Yeah, we usually don't stigmatize people like that. Like, we usually think killers are like crazy rednecks or whatever, but not someone like him. Like, he's a good guy. He's a businessman or whatever. Yeah, it's about like just deconstructing that like that kind of character. It's like if if the main character were like in a video game and he was like trying to kill himself and it just wasn't happening.

It's like just keeps resetting like, oh, I literally can't. That's how it feels like when it comes to him getting away with his crimes. Like she's literally like banging on the doors as he's like running after her with a chainsaw. She's like, helps like screaming all the way down the stairs. He's like, rah, rah, through the hallways. Like, there's nothing, it's an impossibility. It is, it is something that the devs of the universe have disabled, right? That's how, that's how wacky it is.

Yeah, I just, I don't take it literally. The satire of the movie, too, yeah, that like, no one cares. This movie builds its own world where, yeah, it's just like, no one cares. Like, no one does anything to stop him. I love it. He's a white collar Texas chainsaw, right? Yeah, for sure. They even show that in the movie.

And that was like my last year, last year for Halloween, I actually recommended Texas chainsaw. I didn't realize the parallels. Like they literally show like that movie and this movie. Yeah, I didn't even think about that when recommending it. But I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess it kind of times. I was a pretty badass shot of the movie. It's been a while since I watched it, but isn't there that part where she's running away and as grim and sad as it, she's like running down the stairway, but he drops the chainsaw

and it like, it lands on it, he times it perfectly or something? Yeah, that's a great scene It was a pretty cool shot It was pretty badass Oh yeah It's like overhead Yeah The stairs are like in a triangle

Yeah I love the shot of him screaming Like covered of blood Like yelling down the You know the stairwell It's a great horror movie too Like it has really effective scary scenes

Like that scene is disturbing When you're watching it You're like Jesus fucking Christ He's like running down the hallway Covering blood naked Yeah But it's at the same time Yeah

Like it works As something more than a horror movie Like, it's not just an average horror movie. It has deeper layers to it. It's, like, so much more thoughtful than a lot of the shit you'd see in that genre. Yeah. So I had watched this movie a lot of times when I was younger, but it's been like 10 years since I watched it until recently just for the podcast, just a few days ago.

Something that kind of caught me off guard about it. I was almost expecting, because my rating was like a 10 for that. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, I'd. I liked a lot of things a lot more when I was younger. And I was almost expecting the rating to go down. I was almost expecting like, oh, you know, there's some good parts. And in my memory, I remembered, you know, taking it fairly literally. And all I remembered mostly about the more non-literal aspects is that I just got really

confused at the end. And I'm watching through the movie, opening scene, fucking classic. Next scene, fucking classic. And it's just scene after scene after scene where I'm like, every single one of these is like an iconic, super memorable scene. Every single one, I'm excited. I'm like, hell yeah, it's this scene. Hell yeah, it's this scene.

It's all just such a fantastic movie. I'm so glad it actually held it. Every, yeah, it just flies by. It's super entertaining. And it's very funny, very quotable. There's a shit ton of memes now of American Psycho. I'm not sure how many people have actually seen the movie, but so many memes coming from

the movie now, which is just great. I mean, it's, yeah, it's a crazy, crazy film. I totally forgot, uh, Reese Witherspoon was in. I'm like, oh, yeah, she's in the, she's great. Everyone was great. It's got a great cast. Yeah, a bunch of really good character actors. Uh-huh. Jared Letto from Morbius. Um, he was good in this movie. This is like one of the roles I think of like, oh, he's good in this, you know, obviously, Wilm Defoe, Samantha Mathis and yeah, a lot of good, Justin Thoreau. Yeah, great cast, really great cast. Willem DeFoe is perfect also for the role. Oh, perfect. Yeah.

It's not just a great cast in terms of talent, but how, but the casting also. Like, Christian Bale's perfect for the lead. Willem Diffo is perfect for, uh, the detective. Yeah. Yeah. What if Willem Dufo played Patrick Baitman? Would it be too? Wouldn't work.

It wouldn't work. No. He doesn't have the same look. That's part of why Christian Bale works so well because he's just the artist It is crazy that after watching and after watching Christian Bale's performance, you can't, it's hard to see someone else perform it in that way. Just the way that he chose to go about Patrick Bainment is that you can't really see it any other way.

Yeah. Accent. He does. Yeah. His head, everything. The whole look. It's so over the top. It's almost like a Nicholas Cage performance, but it's like really, really good.

Not to say Nicholas Page has been. It reminded me of that. It did. Yeah, you're totally right. It reminds me like Vampire's Kiss, except, yeah, like the... It's a little, maybe... It's just more meaningful in this movie. Like, it actually serves a point.

And the fact that it's a satire helps a lot, too. Yeah, because he's able to just be like... Yeah, turn it up to 11. And it's just a really fearless performance. Like, it's so out there. Oh, yeah. He's so good. The way he speaks reminded me of...

Just the amount of fakeness and dishonesty in the way that you... he interacts with everybody around him reminded me of some like alt-right political commentators I was like oh shit he's kind of yeah like now with that like in my peripheral Oh that's where they got that

And just like you talk exactly like some of these people Christian Bales and actor's actor Yeah He's all about like his look too Like he tries to look like absolutely perfect he's obsessed with his looks yeah like people like

this to then what the machinist and then dark night yeah he says I can always be thinner you know like he's just obsessed with like his weight and his muscles and whatever

like having sex he's looking at himself in the mirror like doing you know flexing his muscles points at himself yeah buddy yeah I mean

vice his transformation in vice is unrecognizable oh yeah true I mean he's always been a good actor, even in lesser movies. But, like, every actor has bad roles, I guess. Like, he was just in Amsterdam, obviously.

He's not, but, like, that's just part of, like, some actors, you know, you're in movies like Morbius, right? And then Jared Lettow's in this, and he's great. So it's like, you know, you got to, that's what I always say. Like, actors have a range in their career. Like, sometimes they take roles that are not so good, but get some good roles later. It's just part of the industry. I just watched the snippet of Christian Bale's interview.

interview from GQ 2020 or 2020. I don't know, but he was saying how so many critics and then people around him were saying, hey, don't do American cycle. It's going to be career suicide. He's like, all right, I'm going to do it. Why not? And they're like, hey, don't do Batman because that's all you're going to do. You do one superhero movie. That's it. You're going to only be able to do that. He's like, fuck it. Let's try it. And so I love that about him, especially as an actor, his gusto and confidence because he's he says that's like as an actor if i can't and he's like if it ends up or i can i couldn't deliver that'll um the results will show itself so he's like i'm willing to take on the challenge and if it turns out that i wasn't good enough for it then so be it then then yeah

then that's what it will be and so let's just let's see and so i love that kind of willingness to take a chance yeah sure he takes a lot of like calculated risks um For this film too, he was not paid very much at all. He was apparently paid less than the makeup artists for the film. He made like peanuts off of this. But I just can't imagine the movie without him. He's such a great part of this movie. It's like he makes the movie basically.

I mean, there's a lot of other things about that work, obviously. But he is like the glue. This movie just would not work without him. He does carry. For sure. Yeah, I think he's in every scene. I mean, he's a huge presence in the movie too. Yeah.

He is so great in this movie. it's what makes the movie. Yeah. Hey, Paul! Yeah, I love this. Whack. It's so slimy. Yeah.

Starts yelling. Every scene is just iconic. It's just, I love it. I just want to watch. Every scene is like a YouTube upload that you could just revisit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I love the gore. And I love the, it's really like explicit movie too. Like, it does not shy away really from much. It's super bloody, nudity, cursing, you know, calling people bitches or whatever. Like, it totally delivers on, like, everything you want to see in, like, this kind of movie. It's super entertaining. Yeah, I loved it. I love watching it again.

It's a, it's very rewatchable, yeah. And it's very memorable. So I watched it with someone who read the book and just on the goal front. I just want to tag on the end. Yeah, I watched it with someone. he'd read the book and they were saying like the the book's even more kind of ghastly and visceral with that that kind of stuff like I heard it's descriptive that's getting a book yeah very descriptive that's what I was taught and then when I when I went to watch it on iTunes I saw it was

it was advertised as the uncut version so I don't know if that is a more kind of extreme I don't what the differences are I think I've only ever seen probably minor differences yeah is that the HBO max one I probably not I watched the one HBO yeah I have HBO Max here, so I had to, yeah. 4K Blu-ray looked great. It was the uncut version. Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah.

Would recommend. Yep. I'll definitely watch this again. All right. Are we all good to give ratings or anything else you want to mention about it, anybody? Yep. I think we're good. I think we're good. Yeah. I think we're all in agreement that we like it, more than like it.

Yeah. I think it's great. Yeah. I think it's fantastic work. I love it. I love this movie. Super awesome, bloody satire. It's funny. It's disturbing.

It's like, it's really great performances, yeah, especially Christian Bill. I give it a five star. It's a, it's a masterpiece, baby. That's the piece. Yeah. I think I'm there with you. I just love taking like a main character and making him so totally unhinged and unrelatable and like a zombie.

And just the emphasis that puts on the environment around him and how that's almost worse. And that's kind of the ultimate point of just this vacuous, awful space to live and exist in. There's two indicative of real life. Yeah, first are. I'm giving this one a 10 out of 10. Love the movie. I love that the sound effects that came with the business. cards as they were revealed also.

I forgot to mention that. Best scene. Yeah, great stuff. Oh, yeah, such a great scene. Oh, dude. Pick a number. Yeah, you can be a rating if you want. Damn, I'm so bad with ratings, man.

Well, then copy us. I'm going to give it a very confident 8.5. Out of five. Good. Out of five. Damn, you really loved it. Yeah. Damn.

The biggest fan. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Awesome movie, yeah. All right, it's time for some questions. Cool. Let's head over to the Sardonica's suggestion thread on the subreddit and answer some questions

from the community. Who's going to start us off this time? Can I start with a question? Yes. You know what, go for it. You can start yourself. I should have opened with this, but Sardonica's, what does that mean? Take me through that.

Well, Adam came up with a name, so. What does it mean? So Sardonic is like kind of like a dry You know sarcastic mocking Sense of humor You know if and and we On our own separate channels seem to exhibit Sardonicism if that's the word

And Cast is a cast a collection of people people. So you combine the two words together, you get Sardana cast. And the, yeah, it was a it was a rare instance where I made a title that made sense. And it wasn't already taken on Twitter and YouTube and all that shit. So that's rare. That's hard to do. Clean GMO. I put some effort into it. Yeah. Bravo. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. Yeah, we're each certain. And we call our fans sardines.

Yes. Oh, that's cute. Well, no. I don't know what we call them. Actually, I don't call them anything. Sards. Yeah, that's fine. They call me.

I don't call them anything. Listeners. Yeah, we don't have fans. I don't think about them. Ever. They cool love sards. The sards. Yeah, sards, I guess.

I don't know why, but I could picture, like, an artwork, like a fan art of Cloudy with a chance of meatballs. When you open up the sardines, it's your fans. Yeah. That's what I think of. Your three faces on top of the, like, sardines. That's exactly what I think of. Fan art idea.

You got to make it now. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, somebody. And you need the mayor's son in his diaper. Like the, oh, it's going to be a diaper. Okay. That's funny. No, the diaper.

Not the napio. Whenever I think of sardines, I think of that movie, too. Oh, yeah. That's like always what I think of when I think of Sardines. I think of it. Because they're telling me. I like the first one. Yeah, I never saw the second one.

The first one's a good movie. Yeah, this is something. Flint, Lockwood. Mr. T. That was great, that was a good impression. Wait, that's Mr. T? I think so. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. Pretty short. I'm like almost positive. I could be wrong, but. Cloudy. Wow, great performance. Definitely, right? I don't know.

Yeah, because that's the Lego movie guys, right? That was what they did before the Lego movie. Oh, it was Mr. T. Phil Lauren Chris Miller. The part where he sucks in his tear drop when he's like rolling down. That was so good. That's a funny movie.

I liked it. But yes, we can move on to the questions. Okay. Nurgle the Navigator. Can I get us going here? I've started getting into the habit of watching films on my phone during my commuting on the train. I got noise cancelling beats as a birthday present.

Thank God. It's just over an hour each way so I can use the get through half of a film in the morning and then the other half on the way home. I also recently watched Once Upon a Time in America in four sittings. I'm actually finding this habit quite enjoyable, looking forward to the oftentimes tense conclusion of a film whilst at work, and also feel that I'm finally chipping away at my watchlists on Netflix and Disney Plus. My question is, am I nuts to watch film in this manner?

Or do you find it an acceptable method of consuming media and indeed one worth experimentation? It is acceptable. I love it, actually. I really enjoy doing that. Because in this day of streaming, even a show is such a commitment and it's one hour, right? And I'm not encouraging this behavior at all, but just to be completely honest with you guys, when I commute and I drive a lot, I like to have Netflix playing on my death. I put it, I put my phone on my dashboard, you know, not saying it's safe or anything,

but I really enjoy, I really enjoy consuming content in kind of this manner. And it kind of also, sometimes you have to pause it and when you arrive at your destination, but it gives you this sense of anticipation and excitement to pick up and start something. Here's a suggestion. Do the audio tracks with described video and then you don't ever have to look. Yes. The phone. Described video for the visually impaired is an audio track that exists on many films.

Mostly popular. If you ever buy like a big franchise Blu-ray, I'm sure it exists on Netflix, too. I don't know if it's on everything. Yeah, it does. I think so. Probably for Netflix's own programs. But yeah, do described video. And then you'll have it.

Basically, there will be a narrator describing the scene as well. Oh, okay. I think I said before I like watching movies all the way through I can't watch movies on a plane or like on a commute I usually I usually put on a plane Not on your effing phone

Not even snakes on a plane No not even top gun No nothing Even if it's plane related Like I just like Watching it on a big TV And watching it all the way through That's usually how I

You know sometimes I pause maybe for a couple minutes, but yeah, it's just the way I like... Depends on what I'm watching. I feel like this is the way movies... Yeah, I feel like that's the way movies are meant to be watched. Otherwise, it's a show. You know, you just make it episodic. But that's fine. I mean, watch it however

you want. I mean, nothing's stopping you. There's been some things where if I start watching it in a less than ideal setting and I'm like super into it, then I'll be like, okay, I'll just leave this for later and I'll continue, you know, I'll start

it again on my home theater setup or something. You know? Or like... Yeah. Yeah, I've done that before. But yeah, depending on what I'm watching, on my last plane trip, I was watching, because I finally did it. I have Disney Plus because I got six months free with my phone thing. So I have a Disney Plus account now.

And so I was like, okay, well, they got all the Fox shit. and I downloaded the first season of Malcolm in the middle just because it was, you know, it's really nostalgic for me and watched a few episodes on the plane. I was like, damn, that's, that still holds up, first season at least. Yeah, I love watching shows that way. Yeah, I would watch TV shows on a plane or like,

I usually just watch like YouTube videos, like Angry Video Game Nerd or whatever really shit, read the other media. But in a movie, I'm like, I want to like pay attention. I want to absorb every, like the sound and all of it just like I don't want to look away. If you're on public transit and you're not getting paid for your commute to work, watch a fucking movie on the bus.

Okay? Some people have long transits. I used to work at the HMV and West Edmonton Mall and it was not near my house. And my bus ride was always like 40 minutes or something. And so I would just, I had my Microsoft Zoon. before movies on my phone I was watching movies on my Zoom and it was a good product

it was a good product and it still works okay and I would watch through the first third of a Lord of the Rings movie on my way to work and then I would finish my shift and I would keep watching and it was great so

yeah I usually just like listen to music on transit or fall asleep. Like when I take the train or whatever. Yeah, I usually just fall asleep. Like on a plane, too, I just fall asleep, listening to music. I like watching movies on a screen that's, like, big and with the sound, like, I love being immersed in it.

Like, I'm just like so immersed when watching it that way. Yeah, I do agree that movie, the optimal experience is like a cinema. And so, yeah, a separate conversation. I don't think cinemas will ever go out of business the way that people speculated malls will, because I think it's just such a, it's a completely different experience and a commodity, yada, yada. With that said, I do think it's the optimal experience, but I am a fan of the different types of experiences. So, for instance, I love watching movies on a plane. It's just like a different experience, and I get really sucked into it, and people are sleeping next to you,

so you have to be quiet when you cry, you know? You have to, like, sob silently. me. But yeah, sure. I love seeing what selection there is on a plane. Because unlike Air Canada, they have, you know, their own little selection. And sometimes some of the things they're pretty funny. There was a, when my boyfriend and I were on a plane together on an Air Canada flight,

there was a movie that he found in the selection called like, like, I love Canada or something. I forget what the... It was like a documentary about... Oh, it was called Being Canadian. That's what it was. And it was just a bunch of interviews with, like, Canadian celebrities and each section of the documentary was like,

oh, well, here's one stereotype about Canada. And then Seth Rogen would be like, oh, yeah, I guess one. Like, it was kind of embarrassing and weird, but, like, true at the same time. It was kind of stupid. Yeah. And then it just, yeah, I couldn't find an ending.

Just stuff like that, where I'm like, why does it? Why, this was just made for the airplane, basically. Like, you don't have an audience outside of this flight. You don't. Like, no one's going to watch this shit anywhere else. I will say, Delta and American Airlines have pretty good movie selections, and they're pretty recent. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, sometimes they have shit that's out in theaters. Mm-hmm. But there's, like, some movies that you can't watch in public like that. Like, I don't think you can watch American Psycho on, like, on the bus. Yeah, why not? Exactly. I agree. There's like, there's R-rated movies in the selection on the Air Canada flight. Like, they curate that stuff and they, there's like, you know, there's movies with like sex scenes.

No, not on my flights, yeah. They just. I guess it depends on the flight. It depends on like where it's going. Yeah, who cares? Anyone is free to just look away and not be a nosy Nancy. Yep. Yeah, you should be looking anyway, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it's hard to judge things like pacing too if you're like watching a movie in like, you know, 50 minute chunks or whatever. It's like, yeah, you get bored. You just like, okay, let's turn it off and pick it up later. Like, just because the movie's long doesn't mean like the pacing is bad or slow. Like there's some movies with great pacing. Like you watch three hours of you're like, oh, that was great. I could, I sat through that whole thing. It's like great pacing, like casino or whatever.

Yeah. It just depends. I mean, watch a movie however the fuck you want. I'm just saying. Yeah. You're enjoying the story and engaging with that. Like, he really cares. Like, what screen you're watching on.

Like, who actually cares? Apart from David Lynch, like, who's really getting upset with that. Sure, the more eyes on your story, the better. Yeah, sure. Depends on the effect of it and what you're going for. His movies are very, like, immersive, visual auditory experiences. You're supposed to be, like, invested in them in, like, a certain way. Oh, okay.

All right. It's valid to answer the question. You are valid. It's fine. You are valid. You're not officially valid. It's okay. I validate you.

Well, seeing as it's October, a super cammy guru 47 says, this has been a pretty packed year for horror with many saying it's one of the best years for horror in decades. What are some of your favorite and least favorite horror films that have come out this year? I was very impressed with the new Hellraiser. I'm a Bruckner. boy. I love David Bruckner. And I... That was him. Yeah. And I can't... I didn't

look up any reception to it before I watched it. I had a great experience. I did a watch-along to it on my YMS watchalongs channel if anybody wants to see me react to it in real time because it was a digital movie. And by the end of the movie, I was like, oh, I wonder what other people think about this. This is probably

getting great reviews. Nope. Apparently I'm crazy. Apparently, people would rather watch smile. People like smile a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was a really refreshing horror movie, honestly.

I loved it. Really enjoyed Barbarian. I thought that was very good. You've seen that, right? We'll talk about it next episode. Alex will watch it by them. Yeah, it's not released in UK. Yeah.

out here at the time of recording, but I'm curious. Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah. So I'm not a horror fan. I'll preface with that and I don't watch too many horror movies. I, so I went into the movie blind and I didn't like it. But I know we can't get too into it.

Yeah. I don't know, maybe I'm either missing something. It's very polarizing. I am in the middle on this one actually. I respect it And I And I think that some parts of it work really well And others don't

And I respect it for being different But I in execution Some parts could have been a lot better Yeah Yeah it's different You know I'm just so sick of like 824 having like a domination over horror movies Like anything that's not an 824 horror movie

I'm like oh that was refreshing Because it's just like So many of these come at like X, Pearl and Men? I did like men there. Men was like almost its own thing though. Like I guess you could call it horror but it's more like an art house horror movie.

Barbarian's like a straight up horror movie. I'm like yeah, that was I think they turned it down actually. It was like pitched age 24. They didn't like it. I guess I don't know. There's like some, they didn't like some parts of it. Like, oh no, it was really good. Yeah, their movies can feel samey.

It's just like different companies making horror movies. Like I will see small at some point just because it's probably not the same. I did like bodies, bodies, bodies also bodies times three. I did enjoy that also. But again, that's like kind of a little more tasteful, like a little more elevated than like a horror movie. I think my one thing with like American horror movies is when they feel the need to over explain, it comes off to me a little, is insecure. That's a strong word.

But to me, when it feels like when you have to really explain everything that's happening through the dialogue, when the audience, when you already showed, there's like a specific scene in Barbair, where I just thought that they were just over explaining it when it was pretty obvious. It was pretty clear what was happening in the scene without all that dialogue. Yeah, you got to give your audience credit. Right. So it's just like one of my, one of my general takeaways, I think I found out. a lot of maybe American horror movies is just when they've over-explained. It's a little too on the nose. Yeah, I just, yeah, I really enjoyed Barbarian.

I don't have much of it. Yes. Yeah, it falls right into like, it's like kind of campy too, which is always fun. Like, the audience was like really a new at all. So it's a good, like, audience movie. Normally, I hate that when people talk to. That's true. but not during, yeah, not during this one so much.

Like, this one was pretty good audience experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck? Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a sense of camaraderie in that, for sure.

Yeah, at first, like, I feel like so many horror movies at first they get, like, really overblown reception, but then they kind of, it kind of, like, fizzles out. Like, I think that happened with Black Phone, where at first people were like, oh, it's amazing, but now it's kind of, like, settled down a little, like, yeah, it was okay. Like, it's not like the greatest movie. It's definitely better than like, it's a little more tasteful than like something you'd see. But yeah, it's kind of also not that scary. It's a very Blumhouse.

I did enjoy that more than the new Halloween, which I thought was a piece of shit. I mean, it made Black Phone look like, made Black Phone look like a masterpiece, honestly. The last one was bad too, right? Yeah, it was bad. How do you have these damn films that they made? Yeah, I am not feeling in any way obligated to watch the new Halloween movie. Nor should you. Yeah, it's like.

like that thing we were talking about prey like pray like praise a good like horror action movie um but the thing is that like you know the predator's in it but it's not like predator porn the way like like Halloween kills is and like this new one is it's just like all mostly Halloween kills actually it's just like oh yeah Michael Myers killing people like that's what you want to see right it's like no it's not like you know Halloween's a good horror movie it's not just about like the kills It's not like a kill count movie in that way. It's about creepy. But like in Halloween ends, everyone's just like clapping when people are getting murdered.

Like, yeah, cool. It's like, it's not the desired effects. Like you should be having when watching a horror movie. It should be scary. It should be like disturbing. And people are like clapping because they just like, they like the gore or whatever. They like the gore effects. Like, woohoo.

Yeah. It's like, nah. It's not what I'm looking for. The new Hellraiser was like the first horror movie in ages where I actually cared about the characters and was, it was like I was into the narrative of whether or not they got hurt or died. And I was like, oh, shit. And I like felt bad for people. It's just, it's an absolute rarity for a horror movie for me. Yeah.

That was really good horror as well. Yeah. It's just so many horror movies. Yeah. You just don't give a shit. like this new Halloween ends I didn't give a shit about anybody in that movie they were such bad characters yeah yeah a lot of horror movies it's almost like they intentionally write the characters to be ones that you want to die as if that's what they think audiences want and in a way maybe

that's true because like apparently just people didn't like the new hellraiser but I did so I guess I guess maybe people felt better or maybe people just didn't like the characters I guess but I don't know like I find I find if the characters are more relatable and believable and you know you empathize with them a bit more it makes the horror elements more effective in terms of like oh you don't want that to happen right you don't want the bad things to happen to them and they do and you feel bad and it's like okay well that's a new that's a genuine experience not just like this detached sort of like oh fucking die already like I that's how I feel watching so many horror movies or I'm like oh just fuck just kill them like why why are we even

spending time developing these characters if you just fucking hate them. Like, they're just annoying. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. It's exactly. Get on with it. It's just hard to care.

Yeah, hard to care about some of these characters. That's what was good about, uh, nope. I'd like what main characters. It wasn't too heavy with the exposition. creepy concepts. Yeah. Yeah, big fun. When people die, people aren't clapping.

Like, in the home events. Yeah. People get murdered on screen. I was like, yeah, it's awesome. Like, no, it's not, that's not how you're supposed to be feeling. this movie sucks. Yeah. Oh, man.

All right. I guess not a question. That's that. Let's do this one from Butter 467. Recently, there's been a controversy over the voice actress for Bayonetta, being offered only $4,000 to return for Bayonetta 3. In response, she turned down the offer and is telling fans to boycott the game. Do you think that boycotts are effective nowadays,

and do you think voice actors deserve better pay? I can't believe I heard about that. Well, yes, they obviously deserve to be paid. No question. That's silly. 4,000. Yeah, they were trying to pay her like 4 grand or something for voicing like an entire video game. It's a big studio.

Yeah, 4,000 to be the main character. You know, probably not. That seems kind of offensive, right? Yeah. I'm like most voice actors kind of traditionally shafted, anyway, unless you are like one of the big names, like a Troy Baker or. someone like this. She did get replaced by Jennifer Hale.

Oh, there you go. And it's not, we're not like blaming Jennifer Hale for this at all. Like she's, she didn't, she's not responsible for the decisions that. No,

no, no, there is just like a monopoly on, like, these big voice actors, you're like, it's at a point where you can play a game or like, go on a TV show and be like,

oh, that, that is Jennifer Hale. That is Nolan North or whoever they've got like such a, they're just everywhere. Mm-hmm. I wonder when the release date is spent. Oh, wow.

So Bayonetta 3 is getting released in like 10 days. So it'll be, the release will be out. By the time this episode is public, I guess. So I guess we'll just have to see if it affects its bottom line or not. I don't know, like, it's my understanding that people are still going to play the Harry Potter game, right? So I don't. Yeah, I think with a big franchise like that. it's kind of hard.

I have no idea. Like, like, like, anything like Marvel or Disney or like, yeah, Star Wars. It's hard to like boycott.

Yeah, like, what do you mean by controversy? They're so popular. Like, do you mean controversy is in people angry on Twitter for like a day?

Like, I don't know if it's actually going to seep into the sales of a game. Yeah. I, yeah, I agree with the movement of being paid more.

And so I'm coming in completely blind and I don't know anything about this question at all. Sure. this but yeah with the pay i completely agree but when it's like a project that involves a whole team of people ensemble boycotting it for yourself i don't know but i do think i do agree that the pay deserves more but yeah mm-hmm mm-hmm boycotting the entire project for that reason not sure yeah yeah i have no idea i'm not involved but um yeah yeah if it's if it's if it's

I don't know. I usually support things financially as in by them if the project is something that I'm interested in and it has merit. And I think also, I guess maybe just my mind of being somebody who, you know, makes a living off of commenting on media. I feel like once I open that box of being like, I am boycotting this because of, you know, something, then that kind of, then I'm kind of obligated to do that with like, I don't know, 20% of things I can see. Maybe more. Yeah. There's no more. Like half.

Half the shit that comes out of Hollywood, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of ethical. Yeah, I mean, like, every fucking animated movie that exists treats their animators like shit. You know? Like computer animators. Like, Marvel movies. Yeah.

Like, fuck. Yeah. The Marvel movies with the CGI artists, how they're kind of like overworking them. Yeah, but like people are going to go see those anyway. I don't think that's going to affect the Black Panther ticket sales at all. I think it's going to do great either way. That's what I mean. It's like when you're working with such a big franchise,

it's kind of difficult to swipe. Yeah, and Twitter is not representative of actual people, as we discussed on the last episode. No, not really. Yeah. It's worth a shot. You know, Bannetta, that's kind of smaller, so maybe it would affect something.

Yeah, I mean, boycott. And if it does something, then... Yeah. Hopefully whatever change that happens, if any, is positive. But we'll see if anything even happens, right? I wonder how much Chris Brack got paid for his voice acting work, you know? Probably more than Charles Martinette ever got paid. Total.

Probably more than, like, his entire career. Yeah, for sure. Oh man Okay Let's do this one from cash slinging smasher That's a good name Yeah What is the film that first shattered your innocence

And made you realize that movies can be bad Oh bad Bad is in like Just that movie or just like disturbing Because you know you know like when you're young And you just watch You're just consuming content You never really critically engage in any way

And then all of a sudden I'll just be that one thing like, no. Yeah. This is where I draw the line. Because there's a huge catalog of older films, like animated movies that I watched when I was a kid. And sometimes I think of revisiting them of like,

oh yeah, I'll just see that for nostalgic purposes. But most of the time, if it's in my memory of something and I have like barely any memory of it, just I know that I watched it, but I only remember like maybe one part of one scene. That usually means the entire thing was boring, but I lacked the capacity to like to fully comprehend that it was boring

or maybe just you know anything being on was just, you know, a way to kill time and that's just how I consumed media as a child of just like, oh, something's on and it was just a distraction from life and, you know, it wasn't necessarily entertaining but I didn't have the vocabulary or, yeah, I just didn't know how to express it.

The first time I remember thinking that something about it, movie was bad, I think, I don't know, this might be, but one that comes to mind is death to smoochie, where I was just so confused by the way that things were shot and the, like, the cinematography. I was like, what? And none of it was funny. And it was my understanding that it was supposed to be a comedy. And I was, like, pretty young, watching it, like, 13 or something. I don't know. I was like, this is, never even heard of that. This isn't funny. Death to Smoochie. You never heard of death to smoochie?

I've not heard of this. Not familiar. Okay. Ralph, you would love... It's like... It's about a guy who wants to kill Barney, basically. Yeah, but I'd love it. It's got Robin Williams.

Oh, yeah. I think Danny DeVito. Edward Norton? Edward Norton? Danny DeVito? Edward Norton? Yeah, what the fuck? Directed by Danny DeVito.

That's weird. Whoa! Directed it. Yeah, it was a... I didn't get very far, but I've... I've always been like morbidly curious to check that one out again because it's just, I guess, polarizing. It's either notoriously bad or it also has some genuine fans thing.

Kind of like a, what was that fucking Southland Tales and showgirls, I guess, you know? Like, I don't know. Fifth Element. Yeah. Yeah, all right. Sounds interesting. I'd say like, I didn't get into film criticism sites until, like, I was a little older, like 12, 13.

I think that last Airbender movie I think that's one of the first ones I was like this is not good Like it was like the word of mouth Was so overwhelmingly Negative that it just kind of seeped into me watching the movie And I'm like no this is no good I can tell it's not a good movie

Yeah But I love that show yeah That was definitely early example A terrible movie that kind of broke me I hate that movie It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen M night That might be my least favorite

M night movie I can't think of one I hate more than that one Honestly Even like after Earth And happening or better Yeah No that's a solid pick

Yeah Yeah So mine I guess not to feed into the meme Too hard But it was what 2005 A friend came over

With a Was it a VHS or a DVD That kind of era I can't even remember But It was the original Madagascar I was so like gutterly opposed to Madagascar. Mostly based on how it looked.

It is one of like the ugliest character design for anime. That's an ugly kind of abrasive movie and I'll never forget that. Watching it on that big fat CRT screen. Oh man. Are you a Madagascar fan or something? I like it. I liked it. It's just the first one.

I don't know. I don't really recall the second one. I'm not sure, but I... Damn, you're missing out on the best ones. Escape to Africa? Yeah. It's my favorite one. No.

It's the greatest movie ever. I think for me, um, that's hard. One of the first movies I can remember is drag me to hell. It's a horror movie. I think, Oh, you didn't,

you didn't like that? Well, I was really young. I was, it was my, I was on a day, it was my first kiss, so I don't even

recall the movie too much. Oh. Oh. So, I watched it purely, I watched it purely as a scary movie. I was like, junior high school,

just so that there's an excuse to, you know, be close and intimate. I had my first kiss there. But I remember, I think we laughed a lot because there was one scene, something drops on this girl's,

head and her head explodes. Yeah, the one. Yeah, that's the one. It felt very loony tunes, and I like it. That was so funny. Wild Coyote very esk. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

We talked about that. We liked that movie, but yeah. You know, the thing is, I mean, I barely watched it, nor do I recall it. Yeah. And my other cop-out answer is, like, most live action

interpretations of any anime, right? Yeah. Those are a lot of the live actions I refuse to watch. The Dragon Ball one? I guess last... Yeah. I'm a die-hard Dragon Ball fan, so I wouldn't want to watch live action stuff or

Avatar or Death Node or... Uh-huh. Yeah, the Last Airbender, I guess that counts kind of. I mean, it's not like from Japan, but yeah, it's kind of anime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I even shied away from, like, Moulon, because I just didn't want to ruin it. Because Moulon is one of my favorite Disney movies of all time, so I just, just didn't want to ruin that experience.

The original was great. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a shame. Even like the street,

the street fighter movie, I know that's a video game. It kind of reminds me of Dragon Ball. You did? I was watching that again recently. It's so, I don't know why. I wanted to watch Chris Klein again making an ass out of himself for that movie,

which is really funny. Yeah, his performance in it is fucking bizarre. You know, I will say, I think there is some merit. it and just because a movie doesn't have revisit potential, how it affected you and how you enjoyed it at that time at your age, at your life stage, sometimes I think that can be enough, but I think

a recipe for a great film is when it can stand the test of time, like American Cycle, when you can revisit and still be good. Yeah, sure. It's definitely a recipe for a great product, but I do think that there's some merit in, especially when you're younger, just because you don't have the capacity to really analyze and critique it as a cinephal, kind of feeling, the feelings that you felt and watching you, like, such as like Ice Age at the time. And when I watched, I was like, wow, it's an amazing movie.

Actually, it's a phenomenon movie, I think. Ice Age is great. Yeah. Stuff like that where I think the way that you felt and impacted you at the time can be enough to call it or to give your opinion to say that it was a good, project or I enjoyed it I saw that right when it came out which I think it's even before

Last Airbender and I don't remember liking it That might actually be my first movie I didn't like No um with the street fighter one Street Fighter legend Chunley Because like it was out the same week as like Watchman So I wanted to see yeah Yeah it was like around the same time

I'm talking about like the 1990 one The 1990 movie Oh you mean Street Fighter No I meant Street Fighter the legend Street Fighter of the Legend of Chun Lee. I think it was like 2009. Whatever Watchman came out. I'm like, I wanted to see Watchman, but my dad's like, you can't go see that.

It's rated R. I'll take you to go see Street Fighter Legend of Chun Lee instead. It was like pretty bad. I'm talking about the one of Jean Club Van Damme. Yeah, yeah. I had that one at VHS and I thought because as a kid, I was like, oh, that's so badass. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah.

I'm talking about this other one. Yeah. I see. I see. That's funny. Yeah, I guess that's it though Adam, did you have one? Or was it?

What was the question? The movie, like a movie you didn't like. The movie that broke you. Yeah, I said death to Smoochie, right? Oh, yeah. He went first, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I was going to say it's that Dan DeVito one.

Yeah, okay. I guess we answer it then. This is a good question. Got a lot out of that, a lot of mileage. Cool. I guess we have time for one more? Mani Dog Salere asks, what do you guys' thoughts on the Last of Us Show

trailer for HBO. So there's another one for the pile, a new video game adaptation. Yeah, trailer jolt for it. Yeah. Yeah, those are just never good. You didn't like it? It just seems kind of redundant. It has potential.

Yeah. It has some potential, but video game things are just never very good. It's just never, any video game adaptation into a movie. movie or show. It's never good. Terrible track record. I've kind of given up on it. Like, it just never works out. I feel like the last of us can work just because of how cinematic the games already are. But it probably won't be, I mean, it won't be as good as the games because the games have their own reason for existing. I cannot tell from the trailer if it's going to be good or bad. It looks like it has production value to it. Yeah, the fact that it doesn't look bad is a

good thing. You know? Yeah. It was weird they didn't use the music from the game. that kind of bugged me. Yeah, we'll see you. Yeah, we'll see you. Yeah, I hope that music is in. I don't know if Gustavo's doing the soundtrack or not, but... I should hope. I think he's credited, right?

Yeah, he better. Yeah, that would be good. Because I'll probably watch it just for that soundtrack, if he is doing that then, at least. Yeah. Composer Gustavo, he's credited. Oh, awesome. Yeah.

That's a good sign. Yeah, it's just, I don't know, I just always feel so weird about all these video games being adapted into this kind of form, like actually I did watch um like cyberpunk edge runners recently and I was surprised by how good that was ooh I'm I'm watching it right now I'm really enjoying it it's cool isn't it's like really stylish is that a series or yes on Netflix show yeah okay yeah based on the cyberpunk and it's 25 minutes long it's I love that it's like only 25 minutes each episode yeah it's only like 10 episodes

or something it's like really complete um the soundtrack is good good. Oh, the sound check's really good. Yeah. Really good action sequence animation. It almost doesn't match, but it works really well, actually, together with the animation. Yeah, yeah. I really like that. But it's just animation is always like the caveat, though. When you have freedom to express this like video game stuff within animation, it just, that works to me. Whereas like the Halo show, nah. But, you know. Yeah. I feel like it could be like that.

Yeah, I came into it because I've never played cyberpunk, so I'm just watching it as the show. And it's, yeah, it's a little different. It kind of gives me this nostalgic vibes, too, of when I was like a little younger. And there's a little spunk to it. And I like that the show, I was just, I had this thought yesterday of it has video game dialogue, almost like midnight club. If you guys played like racing games growing up, Bleefer Speed, Midnight Club, those very, one-liners, but that's part of the show. And it kind of works. I like it. Some people could call it corny and cheesy, but if you grew up with video games, I kind of like the dialogue that

they implemented into the show. Yeah. No, it's all very appropriate. I was surprised by how much I liked that. Yeah, I'll probably watch it. It's getting such a praise. Yeah. We should watch death to smoochie actually I'm like too intrigued now I'm like no I got to fake because I never I never gave it a fair chance and now I'm just like what the fuck is this shit y'all should have a watch party

yeah 2002 you have what the hell Robin Williams I want to watch this Alex can you recommend death to smoochie I'm really tempted to know genuinely It's already on my watch list, so I have heard of it.

I must have just forgot. That's weird. Danny Tevito directed. It's like, what? It'll be my recommendation in the episode after, so maybe I will. Maybe. Spoil it. Don't spoil it.

I don't know. I'm thinking about it. Maybe. Maybe I'll just watch it and just get back to you. Maybe I'll just watch it by myself. Watch it on your phone. Yeah. On my Zoom.

On my Zoom. Segment. On your Zoom. Hell yeah. All right. Yeah. I guess we answered that question. We did it.

Thank you. Yeah. So I believe it is time for the film recommendation from Alex. Yeah. Go for it. So I guess my one's going to be out of scary month. So I'm going to calm the tone a little bit. I think I've recommended a Coen Brother movie before,

but I need to do another one. Just to get this one, it just has to be done. I've actually had this question screenshot for like ages in my notes document from such refrigerator 87, who says, we've seen the Holy Mountain and we've seen under the skin when it was Ralph's favorite.

For the love of God, when is someone going to recommend the Big Lebowski? it's time. Yeah, I want to do it. Awesome. 1998. The Big LeBuiski, as Derek said, would say. Awesome.

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Cool. Yeah, everything, yeah. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much, guys. Thank you. Rate your podcast experience out of 10. Is there a gun to my head or? Yes.

Wow, 8.5 out of five. Nice. That's my same rating. Oh, yeah. Consistency. But it's been so, it's been so. so fun guys. Yeah.

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