Sardonicast - Sardonicast 125: Barbarian, Rings of Power, The Big Lebowski

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

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Uh, three, two, one. You see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps. I was going to go with, that's just like your opinion, man, but I feel like that's a, that's a more, uh, poignant quote from the big wood whiskey. Uh, I'm Adam from your movie sucks. Uh, this is Sardonicast. Hello. Sorry, it's funny. Oh, I'm Ralph. YouTube.com slash ref the movie I'm actually why the intro was so difficult

you know trying to get all the everyone at the right time I just think it's amazing that we've been going on for years and it's always consistently awkward I love it yeah what is it I think that's what makes it special

yeah I think I saw that comment somewhere yeah I did steal that from the comment yeah Called out. Yeah, that was a TV, a television edit for the Big Lebowski. So instead of fuck a stranger in the ass, it was find a stranger in the Alps. Yeah. Love it.

It's like the Sam Jackson thing. Oh, yeah. It's like, snakes on a plane. They like change that. Monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to Friday plane. Yeah. That's hilarious. It's like even funnier than the normal.

Classic quote. Yeah. good hot fuzz ones as well. Cut of it. So I saw another YouTube comment on the last video that said that I forgot to talk about American Psycho 2. I don't know if either of you have seen that.

I'm glad you bringing this up. Yeah. No, no. I was going to bring up later in the questions. So I'm glad you're bringing it up. Ralph, have you seen it? Yeah. Did you see it recently?

No, I didn't like watch it right before this. Okay. I watched it just after watching the American Psycho. There's no The at the beginning. And it was, I remember watching it as a kid and being so confused, like, I don't know, 15 or something. Just like barely remembering any of the movie. And then this time I watched it, it's like, oh yeah, the reason why I barely remembered anything is because it was so fucking boring. It was just the most boring, annoying nonsense movie.

And I'm not going to talk too long about it. I just wanted to mention it since we forgot last time. When did it come out? Like, what is the story behind it? It came out 2002, June. It was two years after the original. And the story behind it is that some dickweed was making a completely different movie. And then I think Lionsgate was like, let's just call it American Psycho.

So they shot like two extra lines, like a couple extra scenes that made it connect to the original. Oh, man. where basically the way they connected to the original is Milakunis, uh, her younger version of her character is being babysat by someone, either by Patrick Bateman or someone that Patrick Bateman kills. And they don't show his face and it's clearly not like a super fit guy like Christian Bale was.

It's just like a normal looking dude. And then she kill, sorry, Christian, American Psycho, Patrick Bateman, kills the babysitter. then she kills Patrick Bateman and then she's like and that's what started my bloodlust but it's like a virtuistic is that a word it's like she's she says that her goal is to kill serial killers and then she spends the whole movie killing innocent people that are getting in the way of her getting a job at the FBI and then the movie just like runs out of things to do halfway through it it and then dicks around for the end half and doesn't do it. It's very, it's very stupid and very boring.

So it's not like a satire at all. It's just a straight like. No, no, no, no. And it tries to be like funny, cute as it's doing it. It's like, ha ha, it's a girl killing people. Like that's the whole tone of the movie. Like, it's a killer, but it's a girl. Wow. Yeah. Just wanted to make sure we mention that. Movie news, but yeah, easy one out of ten, if anybody's curious. Easy one out of ten. Movie news. So there was a month or two ago, there was this big post on Reddit that was like,

Bruce Willis sells his face. He's the first actor to register with a deep fake company so they can use his likeness after he dies or, you know, since he's retired from acting, I guess. And then the next day, there was another big post on Reddit that, that was like Bruce Willis and his reps deny selling face to deep fake company. So it was quickly dispelled. But the reason I'm bringing it up is because we're entering an age of AI art becoming pretty convincing and pretty useful as single images. So we're moving towards the weird dystopian like computers creating art sort of thing.

and there's a lot of potential concerns with it that people have and I wanted to know if I just wanted to get your opinion on it both of you just see how you feel about it it's hard not to find it a bit depressing like the automation of like an artistic process

I try to think about like the positives that could come from it because it's like when when people started using cars I guess like similar conversations would be being had, but you know, a different field. But yeah, it is kind of depressing. Like just how quickly all this stuff is moving. Like the technology is just like moving so scarily fast.

It's like, are we just going to be able to like use an algorithm to like write a movie for us in like 15 years and then let alone like the special effects and like, you know, it's getting great. Like just like the technology and you know, like TikTok or whatever with all this like scanning your face and putting special effects over it like you didn't really think about how how like cheap and effective this kind of stuff's getting you mentioned special effects but i mean we already have automated simulations for particle effects for water for fire effects like it's not like an animator is manually deciding where every single molecule in the ocean and avatar is like they make simulations and that's a part of the artistry is creating

the software that winds up doing the work for you in some degree, which I think is very interesting. And I think that the same thing exists in a sense in the AI art that we're seeing right now. So when people are using like, what was it called, like Dolly and all this weird stuff where they're inputting text to get images out of it, the issue comes from, I guess the idea that no matter what it's creating, it's using other images as references to be able to interpret and come up with its own image. And so I would say, like, it should at least list every image that it lifts from. Because if it's, if, if let's say you're feeding the AI only 10 different images and it's all from the same artist, then you've essentially copied the artist's style and created something using,

only like 10 of their images, then it's kind of like, okay, well, that should at least be credited or that should at least, you know, how are we going to reconcile with that, you know? That's part of the conversation right now. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen like the same arguments against it. Yeah, it is a weird, vague issue, but it would be nice if they could somehow credit. Like, it's all automated anyway. Surely there's some kind of record they could attach to, I don't know, it's all such early days.

for like where this is going like what they're even doing with it what they're trying to achieve like what is the end goal yeah yeah Ralph have you seen any of this like AI art stuff going around like it's there's separate yeah yeah I've seen it on Twitter all kinds of stuff people make

yeah there's really it's really yeah really interesting technology like it does look it is interesting I'm fascinated by it because it also raises like the philosophical idea of like okay so if a computer is only lifting from other existing things to create art and that's an issue to people aren't we also doing the same

like all of everything in our minds comes from our environment right and when we look at ideas of art we're using other references of art that has existed before and you can still create that into your own thing. And then it's just a question of like how much is the computer also creating that into their own thing, right? Or the software, I mean. It's, I don't know. There's still so much to go. Yeah. No, it does get deep because it's like, yeah, how many layers deep can you can you go with it? Because if you take that thought to its kind of extreme, it's like, yeah, the, the computers and the AI is designed and only got there because of humans. So it's almost like, you're an extension of what humans are doing anyway.

So you can see it as artistic from that lens. One shitty thing that is very, very recent and has been happening. And I guess isn't, who knows if it's going to become an epidemic, but there was a person that submitted their AI art into an art competition and won without disclosing that it was AI art. And it's like, we can have a conversation about whether or not it should be in a different category, which it probably should. but not disclosing that, like, that's kind of, that's, that's pretty bad.

Yeah. Well, my mind goes to like, this kind of like fake face kind of technology. Oh, yeah, deep fake. There's going to be a point where you won't be able to trust like any video you see online, basically. Politicians are just kidding. Every politician's going to be films committing a crime, basically. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, gas station video.

Yeah, so there have to be some kind of like scan or process or like technology that can figure out, like deepfakes and stuff like that. That's going to get crazy. Yeah. I think right now there's an equivalency for technology that can determine whether or not something's a deep fake, but who knows if one will outpace the other, right? But then we just get into weird uncharted territory

where it's like, I guess video doesn't mean anything anymore. I guess there's no such thing as video evidence anymore. Weird. Yeah, then what do you do? Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, I love, love the idea of AI art. I support it in the sense that I love the technology and I want to see more of it and I want to see what it can do and I'm excited to see what its capabilities are.

But probably just be honest with it. You know, label it. Try to credit its sources if that's possible. There's some furry websites that have just come out and been like, we are banning all AI art on the platform. It's like, I don't, I mean, if they don't say, whether or not it's AI art, I don't know how you can tell. Like, you can't, there are some ways you can tell. Like, depending on what's in it. But also, it's like, you can just make another category for it. I don't understand why you have to ban it on the platform.

Just make another category. It's weird. If you use, like, a water, the water simulation that I was talking about, if you use that in a background of a photo that you drew over, like, is that not some form of AI art? That's, like, assisted in some way, right? Like, I don't know. True, yeah, like doing a drawing on an iPad almost.

Or like, you use the tablet and you're using the software. And let's say you use like the spray paint tool. Like you're not putting in each of those speckles. You're like sort of guiding it into its own simulation. Yeah, you can set like custom brushes where the computer helps your lines be smoother or whatever you need it to be. It looks like a brush or whatever. Yeah All right

Speaking of Art made by Machines The DCU Entertainment Universe is They have a bunch of Entertanges It changed the name

Yeah What is it called now Ralph? Wait really Just the DCU DCEU Apparently Okay Yeah that might be a rumor or something

What was it before What The DC EU It was like the DC extended DQ That's just the DC Not just DCU It's a coup.

Very cool. But yeah, now James Gunn is in charge of it creatively instead of Zach Snyder, I guess. Yeah. Which... People love the Suicide Squad movie, so it makes sense. It's really cool that they decided to do this, particularly because, like,

the Suicide Squad was released, like, during pandemic. I think, like, simultaneously on HBO Max, was it not? Yeah, at the same time. Yeah. So they would have, like, very... A lot of people saw it there. Unprecedented box office numbers, whatever they got for it. But, you know, people watch that one at home, a lot of people.

Yeah. Because it's not the same day. Yeah, but I guess maybe just the public perception and enthusiasm. And maybe enough people signed up for the fucking subscription service. You never know. Yeah, it made almost like $169 million. Okay. Did well.

And there was just that, well, that spin of show, Gondit with John Cena. Oh, yeah. Oh, I did. It's really good. Is it good? I enjoyed it. It's quite funny. Okay.

Lots of good actors in it. And it ties in, yeah. To like, ties into Black Adam and it ties into suicide squad. I have yet to see Black Adam. I might be seeing that this week. Yeah, me neither. Okay. We'll see.

I got to, I got to just like, I really just got it. worry about it. Get in the mindset of buying that ticket. You know? Just being like, I'm going to spend money on the rock. Yeah, it's not as bad. It's just, you know, it's not morbius.

It's not morbidus. It's not morbidus. You're right. It was much better than that. It's something about this. The rock is the main thing that puts me off. But everything else I can find, I'm fine with. It's just that.

I don't know. The rock. Yeah. Like, he's like, he's playing the, the Shazam villain. but he like refuses to have Shazam in the movie because of his like... Oh, was that his decision? Was that the Rock's decision?

Yeah. What? That's my understanding anyway. He's like, no Shazam. I'm the star. Because he wants it to be like his ego like, yeah, I'm changing up. Yeah. And then like reviews and after credits or whatever.

Like, yeah, he wants this character to be like a bigger deal than it's like Black Adam, you know? I don't know. That's funny. About this one. it. There's something like the hierarchy of DC is changing, right? Yeah, well the advertising he's like put on a social media. It's like really embarrassing.

Yeah. Yeah. It's changing. He's such a weird guy. He really embodies the current generation superstar attitude. True. He's doing his own thing. But yeah, in terms of James Gunn,

making creative decisions, for DC, I mean, like, that could only go well compared to what it is now, right? There's no way it could possibly be worse. Yeah, well, they're kind of like trying to distance themselves from it too. Yeah. They're like, oh, yeah, the X-Nandor stuff. Yeah, it's, like, connected, but it's mostly its own thing. Like, once Wonder Woman came out in Aquaman, like, these directors have very interesting

styles that are, like, actually, like, add to the movie. Like, they're making something a little more, like, box office-friendly. like appealing, like, Aquaman can be fun and like, Shazam is fun. They're like, oh, let's make stuff like that, like, the Suissex Squad, instead of like the dark, kind of dreary stuff that, like, Zach Snyder did. Which it's, now it doesn't even feel like the same universe. It's like someone turn the lights on or like, you know, in the state time, that's lots of color.

Yeah, it's like weird, but it's much more box office appealing than like Batman, which was just like so poorly received. It took them a long time. to realize it, but the major thing that was missing from the Snyderverse was fun. Like, it took them a while to figure out, oh, you should have fun in your movie. It should be a fun movie? Yeah. What? That's crazy.

It's like, James Gunn was like, yeah. Yeah, visually miserable. Yeah. Some of the most miserable movies ever made, honestly. Yeah. They say Henry Cavill's going to have more charisma now in, like, the new one. Oh, he's staying in it. Yeah, he's Superman.

That was announced. Okay. In future movies. Because, yeah, he left that Witcher show, didn't he or something? Yeah, the writers apparently were mocking the book or something. They were like, they didn't really like the source material as much as Henry Cavill did. Henry Cavill liked the books and he liked the games. And he's like, well, if they don't like respect the material, he's like...

Maddie. And now he's Superman. And now they got, I think, Luke Hemsworth, brother of Thor. Yeah, yeah, the brother. Yeah, they got him to be the Witcher. So they're just changing the casting of like what, the main character? Bad idea. In season four or something?

The main character, yeah, the main character. Wow. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. The thing everyone liked about it. Is that Netflix? Right? That's Netflix. Oh, wow.

Yeah, that is Netflix. They've killed it probably. Just stop the show. I think they've had two scenes. Just write like a special. Yeah, a lot of people are watching for Henry Cavill, right? They've canceled late every other show. like,

yeah, cool it quits. That's crazy. Wow. Yeah. Okay, well. These superhero things are pretty interesting. Like all the studio stuff.

Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. No problem. We all saw Barbarian. Spoiler discussion for Barbarian because it's not easy to talk about without spoiling it. You can't spell Barbarian. without Airbnb, right?

True. Housing market. Now that's the scariest horror movie around. True. So where was this set? Detroit? Yeah. Yeah.

Now, it made me go on Google Maps and have a look around the area because I was just thinking, like, are there many films set in Detroit? It seems like such an obvious eight mile. Eight mile.

Place to set. Yeah, man. What do you think about it? I enjoyed it. Yeah. Good, I enjoyed it too. Yeah. I didn't quite love it as much as everyone else seems to.

I enjoy kind of the weird structure and the whole kind of total shift, like halfway through the movie, like the direction it takes. But it also made me bring up some more questions. like the whole, uh, all kind of me too, like character, um,

the Justin Long arc that they go through. Um, I don't know, we can get into it a bit more once we've all said our thoughts, but, yeah, it's okay. It's got some fun twist and turns.

I like the, I like what the barbarian turns out to be. Uh, at least in my opinion or whatever. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, once again, the spoilers, I guess, quite, I mean, I don't know if people have seen it. It's on HBO Max now, so we'll see what it does there. A lot of people have seen it.

Yeah, just blow. I think it was a pretty successful movie. I saw it in the theater. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was just going to say, like, the theater experience was a lot of fun. People seemed really into the movie. Yeah, it would have been cool to see it with a bunch of people in theaters, but there

were only a few in mind. And I don't always judge that, but that, like, people were really into it. they were like, you know, they were talking like, holy shit, like, I think when things happen. Yeah. So like,

it takes a lot of twists and turns that are like you don't expect. It's very unpredictable. Yeah. It's, it's interesting in that way. And I really respect the movie for what,

uh, its goals are. Um, it's, I have to sneeze and this is bugging the shit out of me. Excuse me. All right. It's directed by, uh,

Zach Craigor, if I pronounced his name, right? But have you ever seen the whitest kids you know? It's like a sketch comedy thing. Oh, that's him. Yeah, he's one of the members. And so that, to me, that explains why I feel the comedy segments are more well executed than the horror segments. I love that it tried to do both, but I think the comedy.

is where it really, it really, uh, shone, shine, shined, shone. Shined? Yeah, not the horror. Shining. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Sorry. It's like, it's like Miss March because they made Miss March.

Like, that's a comedy. So I guess I see what you're saying. Miss March. I think they did that. Oh, wow. That's a fucking forever again. Yeah. 2009.

That's the last thing they made. Yeah, I didn't see it either. No one I didn't know saw it. It got bad reviews when it came out. It's got a seven metascore. That's pretty good. It's got 2.0 on Letterbox or something, 2.1.

Yeah, it's 2.1. So I felt like, so the movie's divided into very clear thirds, very clear three-act structure. First act, fairly standard horror, kind of

like spooky, you know, what's, you know, Is she going to be killed by this guy? Why are the weird things happening? Yeah, is he lying? Yeah, like kind of horror mystery thing. And that wasn't bad, although the music was so fucking insistent throughout it, and it was kind of annoying.

It wasn't bad. It was just like kind of, it felt like kind of familiar in that section. Yeah, a couple of lame like jump scares too. Yeah, sure. during that section. Act two shows along, and it's absolutely hilarious. Justin Long was like the best part of the movie, in my opinion, when he's like measuring the house and just the tone and the editing that went along with this segment and his whole,

I don't know, what's the word like hubris or his kind of like cocky attitude. And, you know, you start out with the accusation and then as more. information gets revealed it's like okay well this isn't this isn't just like a false accusation thing you're kind of shitty yeah yeah he's just an asshole yeah oh yeah yeah the first thing he does when um there is the funny like comparison of when the like the woman main character finds that creepy basement in the room with the bucket and the bed compared to when justin long finds it and he's just like instantly googles like how it affects the house price yeah he doesn't even care about like that

That was funny. Yeah, it's like so out of touch. He's like, so unlikable. And it kind of makes you want the big bear to get him in the end. And it does do a good job with his character, like, as he, like, right at the end where he pushes the woman off the, like, water tower. Really just doubling down and reinforcing what that character is. Like, he's pretty just evil all around, to be honest. And that was like the most satisfying angle, like seeing him get demolished by the creepy, but weirdly sympathetic mother monster thing.

Yeah, it got way more interesting once that monster came in for me and where that led with the whole backstory of the serial killer and the timeline shift. Yeah, I like the flashback. interesting there. Yeah, yeah, and with a bit of like interpretive kind of violence. And it's kind of the inverse of like when we're talking about the black phone, where it was like, I need a bit more, he's some more like cleverness or something to make me really scared of this situation. I feel like they chose much kind of more intelligent, smarter things to show to get across the, the creepiness of that serial killer, the barbarian and what is created with this,

mother thing mutant. I liked where it went with it, but I was kind of unsatisfied with the reveal of the face of the mother, because I felt like it was less intimidating to me at that point. But it was still, it was still acting as the monster. It was still acting as like the, uh, the threat in the scene. Uh, but it just wasn't, something about it just was not super threatening to me. And the make, like, it's like the design of it would have been better suited for a sketch comedy horror, but in the context of a comedy. Whereas, like, this has, this has comedy at points in the movie, but in the context of the creature, you're not supposed to find it funny at that moment, except, you know, maybe some of the breastfeeding scenes or something, right?

Yeah. But the, yeah, the design of it was not hitting the right notes for me in terms of, like, fear or horror. Yeah, me neither. It wasn't like the end of wreck or something where kind of design a creature is shot in a certain way, where just enough is left out of the picture, so it remains kind of obscure and scary. But, yeah, I didn't really find much of the horror to be what carried it for me. There's more just like a question of like What is this house? What is this place?

What is kind of the law of this This mother creature? Yeah, I'm with you with the horror stuff Not really Not really doing much for me. What was your favorite part of it, Ralph? Oh, I really like the whole beginning. You guys are saying like it's kind of like

Like your least favorite part of the movie I really enjoyed all that stuff in the beginning. That's like what sells it. You don't know where it's going like at all And it's like, there was no way I could predict where it was going. That's what I mean, it's so interesting to watch. And so, like, shocking. But shit, like, there's no way you can predict some of these things.

It's like crazy. That is a fun, bill. Yeah, it is a lot of fun. And, yeah, looks great. Yeah, I just really enjoy it all around. I thought it was a lot of fun. I really liked the movie. It was really enjoyable.

Reminded me to something like drag me to hell, like how I felt watching that. I was like, crazy. This is, like, disturbing. It's kind of this, like, Hidden Meeting and whatever and yeah. Yeah, I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was a lot of fun. I really, like, I remember it.

It's one of my favorite horror movies I saw this year probably. Okay, dope. I really liked it. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. It reminded me of Drag Me to Hell in the sense that it's a horror comedy and Justin Longs in it also. Yeah.

And it could be like compared to Tusk, but this is much better than Tuss. Oh, I don't want to think about Tuss. Yeah. I don't want to be reminded of it. It balances the Tussk. I was just thinking about that. I was thinking about that and like, I don't know. Oh, that's like really what I was thinking about Tusk.

Yeah, because he's in it. Oh, that's like the last horror thing I've seen him in. He's a good horror comedy actor. He's really good at this movie. Yeah. Yeah, he's done that a few times. Yeah, he's always good at it. Yeah.

Yeah, I really like the movie. We can get into ratings if you want. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, like, really respect the movie for what it was trying to do. But yeah, unlike Drag Me to Hell, I feel like the horror segments were, it didn't, it didn't function as a horror movie. It only function as a comedy to me. And yeah, there were interesting aspects to it.

I just wish it was maybe a bit more polished in the more serious bits or whatever it's trying to sell me as suspense or thriller or whatever. But yeah, I'd recommend it. Really respect it a lot, five out of ten. Yeah, yeah. I'm just a little bit above. I'm pretty much right there with the... I just wanted a bit more One of these things to be more exaggerated

In a way that would be a bit more consistent Yeah make really double down on the horror Make that aspect worked cool Make it more elaborate and comedic Like a drag me to hell type thing It's enjoyable there I'm not sure if I'm gonna rush back to see it Like some of the other kind of recent horror movies

Like men or whatever that I've enjoyed a lot more Yeah, Ralph did you give you ready? No I would give it a was it three and a half out of five stars. Nice. Yeah. I thought it was a lot of fun. I would definitely say, see you in the theater if you can.

Some people really hated this movie. It seemed like really polarizing. Some people either thought it was like the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. I feel like a lot of horror movies get that reaction, you know? Like there was the whole controversy about like Logan Paul's reaction to Nope and, you know, like men had that whole controversial pushback. Logan Paul had a reaction to Nope. I've not, do I care It was like a huge drama.

What? Yeah. Yeah. He said it was the worst thing ever? He saw the movie and he did this whole like chain of tweets about how like it doesn't make sense and how it's like not a very good movie. That's cool. I couldn't imagine giving a shit about what he has to say about nope. Yeah.

Twitter people are funny. Jesus Yeah Here's a question That I forgot to ask you Before we started recording Has everybody seen Hellraiser Or is it just me and Alex?

I've seen it The new one The original one? No I haven't seen the new one I need to see the original one I mean I mean it's not Really connected

But you can I would say I would say Bump that up on your stuff Because I wouldn't mind Talking about it I liked a lot

I want to hear Alex I thought about it too But yeah, I guess we can talk about the big Lubbiski, take it away. Well, so it was my pick for this one, the Big Lebowski, 1998, Cohen Brothers. This is kind of one of those movies where describing the plot is like a big fear,

like coming up to it, like, this is like a convoluted kind of movie, a quirky, strange movie. with the premise basically being what if one of these like private eye like detective novel type characters or stories is parodied by placing the main character as being this kind of deadbeat stoner who doesn't really know how to achieve anything is pretty useless and lazy and the comedy that kind of naturally arrives from that kind of situation. The Coens are known for their idiosyncrasies with their characters, and it's kind of that taken to the ultimate extreme in the Big Lebowski, that there are so many characters and so many memorable ones, despite the fact some of them are only on screen for a couple of minutes,

and they wind up being the most memorable thing about it. But there's more going on than just a silly kind of stoner comedy, because yeah you do have the whole film noir parody you have all the just bizarre concepts that they're slipping in there like these nihilist characters and getting into the kind of strange philosophical concepts and the dream sequences yeah yeah it's it's a strange weird movie like i'll never forget this because i've said this is one of my favorite movies for a long time and i just got this message from someone once who was like so i finally saw the big lobowski this is your favorite this movie like sucks it doesn't make any sense i don't know like what is happening or kind of yeah but um i wouldn't necessarily blame someone for that but i find it to be uh pretty fascinating and every time i watch it i get like a different slant or a new line or something or a new appreciation for a character or a reference to something i i didn't pick up the first time i'm a big fan of this movie yeah what about you guys

I loved it. I had watched it before once when I was much younger, and I don't know what age, but whatever age I was, I was not really able to appreciate it, because it didn't really stick with me in any kind of way, and I think maybe the convoluted aspect of it didn't help when I was, whatever age I was.

I was definitely confused watching it. And I was like, what's everyone's motivation right now? And even watching it this time, like near the end, I was like a little bit confused at some parts and I had to, you know, figure things out. There is a convoluted aspect to it. But watching it this time, I really, I really got a lot more out of it. And a lot of genuine laughs, a lot of great character moments. It felt like, what's that fucking PTA movie with the walking Phoenix

the one the one where he's oh inherent vice yeah it felt like what I wanted inherent vice to be that's exactly what I was saying yeah it's so much more creative it's so much more fun

yeah I couldn't actually finish that maybe like memorable soundtrack like you remember the soundtrack. It's got, yeah, so many great aspects to it. It's so well thought out. Yeah, it's really funny. And yeah, great. Like, the entire cast has really good job in this.

Mm-hmm. They were a lot of fun. They gave some of the best performances, like, of the year came out. It is very much a comedy, but it's almost like a much more mature version of a stoner comedy. And what was funny is they actually, one of the lines in this film was like, dude, where's my car? Which is, this came out before, dude, where's my car?

But it reminded me of that. I'm like, wow, this is kind of, in a way, this is like just a much more mature, talented version of that to some degree, you know? Like, less obvious things you would do. Yeah, that's one of the other things I like about it is just how strange it is of a decision that the Coins, after releasing Fargo, mind you, where they got, like, a ton of critical acclaim, like, pretty wide, like, appreciation. With that creative freedom that came with that success, they chose to make this, like, this weird, like, parody of these old detective

stories. And, like, it wasn't, like, a big commercial or critical hit when it came out. It was one of those slow-build, like a cult classic type movies. So I just, I appreciate that that's, like, the line they chose to go down after like a fargo because you'd imagine like more of a natural jump would be going straight to something like no country you know like it is like a total like 180 like the whole reason they wrote um donnie's character to always be like shut down by walter with the uh shut the fuck up line was just because steve be shamy talks so much in fargo so it's just like they just wanted to like inverse and do something completely different.

It just makes it stand out in their list of movies. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Their entire filmography is really interesting. Because they did have a couple bad ones in there. Yeah, Lady Killers isn't great. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I haven't seen that one.

I really like a lot of the movies I've seen from, but this is like up there, like, top two. I mean, this is one of their best movies, I feel. I really love this movie. Yeah. It's like so iconic. Yeah. This is before lady. I also got a shot by Roger Deacons too.

Oh yeah, Lil Deaky. It's like a beautiful movie. Like, there's a great cinematography. Like, they elaborate, like, set pieces in the dreams. And, like, I was looking up some of the technology they used to get all those shots on, like, the bowling alley of the camera, like, tracking right behind the ball or going to people. people's legs without compositing or whatever. And they basically just got this camera on a remote control

skateboard that just follows it down the alley. Yeah. Yeah, there's some really interesting stuff happening here. Really good music by Carter Burwell also. I'm going to point that out. And also, like,

there's like enough of the kind of like folk rock sort of stuff that the Coen brothers obviously love to put in there. I like that tone. I like that vibe. I'm a fan of the genre, depending on, you know, the song, obviously. But yeah, it's such a weird. It's such a great character movie. I love that everybody kind of reacts in a way that is consistent with their character, but it requires so much talent in terms of writing it. Because you never hear, you never hear the

writer's voice so much. You just hear the character's voice. And the, the, the vocabulary and the way that sentences are, the way that ideas are communicated by each character is so intuned, so finely tuned to exactly how they would say it. It's like they've created living, breathing people within their piece of art. I love it. Yeah. No, the dialogue is insane. It's probably one of the reasons it is one of those kind of sits as one of those cult classic types. It's just so quotable. There's so much good funny dialogue and there's such like a variety of, um, kind of exaggerated characters that everyone's going to attach themselves to a different one. Like, it's so extreme to the point where not only is there like a, a dude religion or something called a

dudeism. That's right. Oh. There's also like this. Have you not heard this? No, please tell. There's like a, there's like a, It's a religion. It's got like four or five hundred thousand members. Okay. Yeah, just got a dudeism. Like an official religion then. Yeah, it's a religion philosophy or lifestyle inspired by the dude, the protagonist of the Khern Brothers 98 film. Yeah, get ordained for free.

Oh my God. Yeah. So it's got a pretty fanatical fan base. It's great. The other point I was going to reference was, yeah, just going into. to like the characters, I guess, and how memorable people find them. There was like a weird Big Lobowski sequel directed by John Terturo about the character Jesus. I haven't seen it.

It doesn't look good and I don't think it was supposed to be very good. Let me see if I noted it down. The Jesus Rolls, 2019. Okay. My mom told me she saw that. She hasn't seen the Big Lobowski. She's like, it's fucking terrible. She hadn't seen the Bigelbowski and she saw Jesus roles.

John Tatoro directed it. I think it was just on that. Yeah, John Titoo. Wow. Yeah. It's like, John Tettor made his own spin-off. But, you know, she just happened to watch it. She's like, oh, it's John Titoro movie or whatever.

It's so bizarre. And she's like, fucking terrible. It kind of defeats the point of like what is so good about that character in the original is he's in it for like two minutes. That's all you need. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It would be so annoying to watch an entire movie with that kid.

character. Yeah, yeah, you don't need that or want that. A lot of the characters are that way. I think it's just one scene. It's like one or two. He gets two, I think. It's like introduction, then the one later where he gets angry for them like changing the day of the tournament.

I've seen the GIF a lot. There's a lot of memes from this movie. Yeah. There's a many from this movie. Yeah, loads of memes. Yeah, they're great at writing characters. I think that's why like some of their movies. gotten made into TV shows like Fargo.

I still haven't seen the Fargo show. Interesting characters. Yeah. Oh, it's interesting. I've seen the first two seasons. It's good, yeah. There's a couple episodes that reference the Big Lobowski, too, mimicking some of that camera work.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah, their characters are so iconic. What can't... I'm just still looking at dudeism here. I'm just... Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy. You should all get ordained. Watch the ABC Nightline episode about dudeism. Okay. I'll watch this later, I guess. I'm getting too distracted here. Yeah, this is, I can't, I don't think that I have a more favorite Jeff Bridges performance,

unless you can name one that I'm forgetting about, but, like, this one is really into the character for sure. He's much better here. I wouldn't imagine from any other movie that I've ever seen him in, I would never imagine him playing a character like this. True, actually. Yeah. Even though it is his like defining role in the end. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, David Thulis, the high pitch voice. That was fun. The video artist. Oh, yeah. One thing that I was noticing, Philip Seymour Hoffman, he didn't, you know, he wasn't like a.

main character. He had a good amount of screen time. But even in the parts where he wasn't speaking, he was giving so, such good faces. Like, when he was sitting in the back of the limo, I wish I could describe this over podcast audio. But if you just go to those scenes of the limo and you'll see like some amazing sort of like reaction faces that he's giving that are not, it's not necessarily what you're supposed to pay attention to in the scene, but he's just like, it's such a weird weird thing he's doing it. It's very funny looking in a good way. I love his delivery during that scene where he first meets the dude and takes into that

time mirror thing and he's like trying to gloat about the Big Lobowski. It's just like so like stilted and awkward in like an intentional funny way. Yeah, he's like such a pushover type. Well, I love that like this is again talking about like the consistency of the Cohen brothers and how they write. their characters. I love that it says so much

about Philip Seymour Hoffman's character that not only does he call the dude but in the way he says it in the way that he addresses him it's as if he might as well be saying sir and he's not doing it in like even a sarcastic way

he's just he's fulfilled the role he's like oh okay I'm calling you dude now and I am subservient to the blah blah blah blah just like yeah it says so much about his character and it's so consistent with it, just that he decides to do that throughout the entire film. And it's just, it's such a, just tiny, tiny little quirks and details that they, you can find throughout all of their films that just, yeah, they're fantastic writers.

Yeah. It's also what makes it consistently funny. Yeah. Because they, they play it so straight. And it's just the characters interacting with each other in earnest. They're not trying to smirk and wink at the camera. They're just, they do feel like genuine real people, even though they are are like exaggerated just enough to make them like you interesting to watch like um Julianne Moore's like feminist artist like character like yeah laughing with David thulellis on the phone or throwing paint on this crazy contraption flinging her through the air it's all like it's all funny from the dude's perspective it's just he's just like blithering around like trying to play detective and that in end of itself is

funny, let alone the myriad of characters to get pushed in front of him. Yeah, well. And it's also, I just like it from the angle of, it's like a main character that basically learns nothing, achieves nothing, only really fails at his goals, and what, his friend dies. One of the most unimportant characters ever dies. Yeah. Whose only purpose in the film was basically to die.

Yeah. Just be a third. Yeah, even despite like saying that, though, it's like, it's absolutely compelling. It's, it's, it's so unusual and strange is this weird gem. Just from this era before they wanted to take it in a different direction. Like, have they attempted like another just full on comedy without adding in more serious crime elements? So, um, since this, I'm trying to think. Well, I mean, burn after reading was a comedy.

Um, a serious man. And I mean, I consider that to be quite a comedy, I guess. I don't know. It really depends on how you, because all their movies are so difficult to put into a box in a way. So it's like, it's difficult to categorize them in that way. There's little elements of each. No country for old men, right? That was very different.

Very different. Yeah. It's still a great movie. That's like what I think is their other great movie. Those two. I love No Country. They're so different. They're just so different.

Is there no fucking 4K for no country yet? Jesus Christ. Really? There is for this maybe. Yeah, I know. I had it for a while. Damn. It's still waiting on so many things.

It's so annoying. Give me the things. I want them. So yeah, this was back at a time where because of, what was it, the Directors Guild, like they weren't allowed, They wouldn't be allowed to be, like, nominated for Academy Awards or be a part of the guild if they had both of their names credited as directors.

So they had to just pick Joel, I guess. Oh. Yeah, even though both of them directed it. It just said directed by Joel Co. You didn't know about that? No. Yeah, for a long time. What does that protect from?

Yeah, it was just a stupid rule that they were. Here, let me look it up. Give me a second. What was the thinking behind that? What's wrong with having two directors? I know. Where do I find this? Okay, Directors Guild of America.

I've got to find a better source than just people talking about it. All right, well, somebody in the comments section explain it, because I'm not going to go on a deep dive right here, and I'm trying to... I'm not... My understanding is that because of the Directors Guild of America, their rules at the time was that you could only have one person credited as director. So even though both of them directed, they weren't both credited until like no country or something.

Because that's when they would have changed their rules. Or maybe they left whatever guild that was. But yeah, somebody in the comments, give me a good source for that because I don't want to just repeat rumors. But that's my understanding. Very silly. What was your favorite quote? I'm a big fan of Walter and all this references to Nam.

Oh, yeah. Basically every single scene with him, he'll make it be about Vietnam. Even when there's no link at all, that's often where, like, that's one of the funnier dynamics to bonus, is there's basically always an argument between Walter and the dude. I didn't even know how they even became friends, because they're just like so always at each other's throats. over like this issue and they're completely inverse ways of approaching it um because he's a stoner

and he doesn't have any money just like that's how he lives there's just like so many funny little details like walter um he actually like he keeps making guesses about like the truth of what's happening like to bunny or whatever and he's like guessing correct um which is like a funny detail most of his guesses are correct up until where the one he he uh he uh reclaims the most confidence in that being the Big Lebowski are not actually being disabled and then that whole farce that he causes, yeah. Yeah, a lot of the drama is actually just purely result of him being around.

Oh, yeah. Fucking up the... He's the conflict. With the gun. Yeah. He's hilarious, though. He's like, has to be there. Yeah.

I love that character conceptually. And it feels like a very real thing of, like, some big, tough guy who's like kind of fat just constantly pack in like all constantly trying to come up with excuses to use their gun just being like no because not and just reminding everybody reminding themselves that like no I'm a vet or whatever it's like no matter what they did in the war but just needing to feel like they're always back in the war for some reason like that that's the only purpose that they've had it's like those people exist not saying that there's like a huge amount oh yeah like they definitely exist when he's called like this

this undying loyalty to his ex-wife, which is like a funny detail where he's looking after her prize dog or, um, you know, consists that you can't, you can't roll on Shabbas. Yeah, yeah. Because he's Jewish, which she converted to for, this really funny humor that comes from that. Ralph, do you have a favorite quote? Oh my God, I don't know. So many, I know. The whole scene with Lenny.

This is what happens when you float a stranger in the act. Yeah, that was funny. It's pretty funny. I really enjoyed... Maybe I really enjoyed this one particularly because it's not in the pop culture as much. Like, I don't see it memed as much, so this one is a bit more of a surprise.

She's not my special lady. She's my lady friend. I'm just helping her conceive, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. That one's really funny. Just such a funny setup to that. Like so many bizarre things happen to get this movie.

Well, yeah, the whole new shit has come to light, like, speech he has in the back of that car to the Bigelvesque and Seymour Hoffman. Yeah. That part's always, like, really got me real good. That's like my most vivid memory watching it the first time when I was like, I don't know, like 10, 11, like pop in the VHS and I was just losing it by that point. I'd like never seen like comedy quite like this at that age. So it was, I don't know, but it really sits there in my head.

Really memorable. When did you first watch it? Um, I think I've told this story before. I was on like some holiday with my mom somewhere, like, staying in like a bed and breakfast. And they just had a bunch of VHSs in the room. One of them was the big Lebowski. And I asked my mom about it. She was like, oh, yeah, that's funny.

I just watched it and lost my shit. Even though, like, as you say, like 70% of it probably went over my head. But it was something my magical about it. That's one of my, like, favorite kind of movie memories. That's great. Yeah, that's awesome. I think the, uh, I think the biggest arc in the film is probably John Goodman's character, like, apologizing at the end.

after the ashes in the folders came which was so perfect and they love Ralphs yeah a lot of iconic locations from like L.A. Like you definitely recognized it which was you know really cool like he's in a Ralphs at the beginning

that's like a supermarket that's there like I live there for a bit that's where I went and then like I don't know like other day drive by a del Taco it's a little shit like that that you pick up on like you really in four Yeah, yeah. The setting and that informs the characters.

But then like the opening scene in the supermarket, that's another one that gets me where he's like writing out a check for 69 cents for just like one carton of milk. Like it's totally establishes that character and everything he stands for, like without anyone's saying anything. And that's also a couple with that um, that narration. Oh yeah. Like the narrator is like, he just like loses his train of thought. in the intro like he just doesn't even know

what he's talking about which again just totally sets like the tone and the kind of rambly nature of it and like yeah I don't expect this to really make sense or like resolve in any way you'd expect from like a regular kind of movie Los Angeles

the way he says things he's the man he's the dude sometimes there's a man a dude it's just uh was that like that's like

that's Sam Neal or somebody? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, his scenes are great. Yeah. There's a funny, like, behind the scenes thing I found on YouTube, but they were talking about him and, like, how he just didn't understand really, like, what was happening, like, on set or, like, in the story. It was Sam Elliott.

I always confused the name Sam Elliott and Sam Neal. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do that all the time. Yeah. Sorry, go on. Yeah, Sam Elliott. Yeah, Sam Elliott.

So I was finding, like, yeah, yeah. So I was finding like new humor watching it this time, just imagining like Sam Elliott, just trying to like figure out like what is going on. Like, because those are like some weird abstracts. He's like, yeah, he doesn't really like exist. He, he like goes meta. He addresses the audience like right at the end. And he's like, he knows things that he couldn't possibly know without just not existing outside of the story.

Like, uh, Maud being pregnant with his kid and just random. stuff like that. It's like time freezes when he's there and he just like just gets abstract for a second. Yeah, sure. It's like his inner monologue, whatever the dude's inner monologue in the way. Like a point of view character.

Yeah, he's also in the movie. Great performance. Yeah. He's great in a few movies. He's great in his stars born too. I can't like recently. So he's still doing stuff. He's in go.

Strider, of course. He's in Tombstone. Tumstone's a great movie. So yeah, he's got a lot of good roles, Sam, Elliot. Oh, he's in Roadhouse. That's right. I just saw it on Netflix. I didn't watch the movie. I saw it while I was scrolling through. Yeah, I don't know. I don't have much else to say about like I feel like people love this movie and have like analyzed the shit out of it and have their own meaning. Like it has a cult following. Like people love this movie. So like I don't know what else I could add to it aside from that. Yeah. It's like really great movie. Yeah, there's a it's a really epic and yeah, it's some epic storytelling. It's great characters looks great because of Roger Dikids, you know, and everything's funny. Every scene is great. You

remember it. You want to see the next scene. It just keeps moving and see it's so much fun. It's really funny. Yeah, so dense with characters and all of them so memorable, whether it be the landlord who does this, like, theater on the stage or the cab driver who gets into a little tussle with the dude because he's like playing the Eagles and he was like winching in the back of the cab. That scene always gets me to.

Oh, yeah. That was funny. Or the nihilist screaming that it's not. fair because their whole plan like goes wrong it's like really funny stuff it really tickles me it's really clever all the dialogue and everything yeah i think after seeing it as many times as i have now i think i i understand the plot i think i finally wrap my head around like every every thread yeah like most of it has like no real like meaning but it's fun that it's like so much sure yeah sorry I just wanted to mention you know there is a 4k of Fargo

Fargo they did Fargo the film yeah no country yeah no the film okay awesome I will I will add that to my list thank you so much that should be a good one yeah fargo is also great yeah but yeah no one no old country yeah yeah give me that there needs to be no country for old men yeah what the fuck give me kill Bill already what the fuck come out with a whatever Quinn Tarantino package you need to. So annoying. So yeah, there's a there's a wiki, there's a section

on the wiki for this film titled Use as Social and Political Analysis. And I'm not going to get into it. I'm not going to pretend I'm not going to pretend like I had these ideas beforehand. I'm just going to say that could be an interesting read at some point for anybody

who wants to delve into that. But who knows, it might just all be bullshit. So, Um yeah Love the movie I would definitely watch it again

I'm not I'm not rushing to see it again I'm not white Russian to see it again but But yeah I'll keep the 4K Blu-ray and I will put it on again sometime love the movie 9 out of 10

You ever had a white Russian Me Hmm Does the Pope shit like I don't know what yes I've had a white Russian oh you like you the big yeah

what do you say they're great I you know I um you don't need to I kind of bastardize it sometimes I do my own thing where I'm like what do you do to it well so it's not it's no longer a white russian

anymore but I'll do Kalua and like silk like soy milk and okay Those, and then you don't like, I don't feel like you really need vodka unless you really just, you want to get drunk more quick. Because the vodka doesn't add anything to the taste other than just like the boozy taste. It soaks up the other taste.

And then sometimes if I'm feeling a little extra fancy, I'll do like a splash of Baileys or like a luxardo merichino cherry. But yeah, the standard white Russian is good too. See, that sounds good, yeah. You can do it with whipped cream sometimes. It's okay. There's just something, there's something about the milk aspect that. Oh yeah I just

kind of gutterly disagree with He never seems to refrigerate it Yeah I can imagine I'm using like the warm tepid room temperature milk Or he's just drinking so much of it That he drinks it before it expires

But he does sniff it a couple times Meaning that that has become an issue At some point He just leaves it Out in the open He doesn't put it back in a fridge It's milk You were saying you just don't like the milk aspect of the drink?

There's something in it doesn't sit right with me combining milk with alcohol. I just picture like... It's a classic drink. I know, yeah. I've heard it a few times, but I just sound about that milk, man. Maybe with the substitute you used, it's less, would bother me less, but I don't know. no yeah i haven't had it you can order one at a bar

it could be milk or it could be like heavy cream also uh cream is also an acceptable I think cream might cream might be the official ingredient but oh okay yeah cream vodka kalua and then yeah whatever variation you want to make but he does drink a beer at one point too

he doesn't only drink a white Russian he drank a beer while he was driving. Oh yeah, yeah. The lanes. That was a good scene. I love when he crashed. Have you guys ever been to like a bowling alley like the ones in this movie? Yes.

The one, all the ones I've been to, they're way more like kind of neon and gross and like way more geared to kids with the... Yeah, they exist. Sure. Yeah. Ones that have bars in the band. Because I'm quite romanticized about it. Yeah.

There's something like really like 90s time. with the whole aesthetic of the alley and just what they're talking about, basically. I feel like there's plenty of places in America where that thing still exists today. I don't even think that that's as much of a 90s time capsule as you think it is. Oh, right, okay. Yeah, it just depends where you are, I guess. What would you give it? I can probably guess your rating.

Yeah. I mean, it's easy for me. Like, it's always going to be a five-star for me. Um, yeah, I've always loved this one. Uh, I just find more things each time I rewatch it, you know, I just, I'm pretty flawed about how you would write something like this way, yeah, this character. It doesn't even get his rug back by the end.

Like it's all just a wrong place, wrong time type story that I don't know, it just gets better than what times I see it. I'm still not sick of it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I loved it. Um, no, uh, yeah, I got to give it a fine. out of five. I mean, this movie's a masterpiece. It's so good. It's really funny. And yeah, everything, everything we've been saying. I mean, I really just, I really just love this movie. Yeah, I can watch it. I can watch it again. Uh, uh, woohoo. Yeah. I'll watch it again for sure. It's awesome. I love it. Maybe I'll give it a 10 next time. You never know. Yeah, we've done so many call-ins now. So many movies. I want, yeah, right?

as in we've discussed if we're a lot of cones yeah yeah man with no name right so I'm gonna name and then I guess it was in recommendation but Bustus Gruggs yeah

know this one I was gonna say it doesn't seem like we've done many officially yeah many other great ones they've made yeah like Lyon Davis

inside Lowland Davis and yeah far yeah we'll wait we'll wait for fucking no country to actually come out on 4K what the fuck the 4K blue rate for the big little bit good though All right

Did Here we go I guess we could We could do questions But I think we have I think we have a little bit of time If Alex You want to talk with me

Briefly about the Lord of the Rings show And Ralph I guess you've seen a few episodes We asked Ralph at the beginning If he minded us talking about it If we were going to spoil anything Yeah No it's all right I'm like, I'm good, guys.

You're not too attached to it. You know, I'm not, yeah, I'm not digging what's happening so far. What is there to really spoil anyway? I suppose there's a couple. There's a couple. A couple of reveals towards the end. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like things slip out, whatever. Rings of, sorry, the full title is the Lord of the Rings, the Rings of Power.

Oh, mouthful. Yeah, subtitle. Oh. So how many episodes there to take? you guys to kind of figure out oh right it's kind of one of these this level oh like as in just it's bad mm-hmm I mean I could it was from the beginning I felt like it was pretty consistent throughout there was my I watched this with my roommate my good friend Gail and he's a huge Lord of the Rings nerd and so I just got to watch him die inside throughout the experience

but he had this inkling of hope near the beginning in the first like couple of episodes he's like yeah well I mean it's just setting things up and then you know eventually things will have I'm like I don't think things are gonna I think this is gonna do this for the whole show I think this is just gonna be the whole show and then I pretty much turned yeah it turned out yeah I had a little a little tiny bit of misplaced hope as well I thought I can forgive something for being slow if it like goes somewhere but no like it it really doesn't go anywhere it's so it's so weird because those I was not expecting it to lean into the wanting to exist in the Peter Jackson kind of cinematic universe as much as it clearly does and wants to have that kind of epic grandeur with the, you know, the sweeping shots of the armies and the, and especially the heart.

Like they've like written it in this weird kind of mimicry sort of way where characters kind of have the intonation and the speaking about things that should be emotional kind of. of like the way they come across in those original movies, but that they just ring hollow. Like that it's just like, it's like, you're, yeah, you're doing basically the same kind of arcs from those movies, but I guess because you don't have the rights to the Sumerilian, there's like not much room for you to really do anything, but you have to make a prequel show. So what's it going to be about? And they chose that the, the lamest, most predictable, boring path to take, which is, yeah, just, oh, You know all the things you like Hobbits, right?

You like Gandalf, you like Mordor. Let's just, let's just do that again. Everyone has like a parallel character to someone in the original Lord of the Rings. So like the girl Hobbit and then her friend, that's obviously Frodo and Sam, you know, her friend. Sidekick's like slightly chevier too. And then you got like the other dwarf guy who's like obviously supposed to be. Gimley, then you got the guy who's obviously supposed to be Aragorn. And it's just like, when you start noticing these things throughout the show, and you're just like, come, come on. You have, you have full

freedom to tell whatever story you want to tell. You can tell it in the Lord of Rings universe, but you can tell whatever story you want to tell. You can, you have so much freedom here. And you're resorting to just rehashing the same characters and then just doing nothing with them and feeling like the audience is supposed to admire and empathize with these characters just solely from the fact that they are somewhat similar or that they're supposed to be similar to characters in the Jackson film. It's so embarrassing. It's like, how do you spend a billion fucking dollars on this shit? It's so embarrassing. These showrunners were like completely inexperienced and hadn't really worked on anything before. And Amazon was like, let's just give them all this money.

No, I was shocked by that. And you will just, hopefully it'll just turn out right. Yeah, because I was looking at their end. be saying what the show run is Patrick McKay and John D. Payne. One of them is credited for like Star Trek Beyond. Well, they both are. But that's it. That's all they'd done before. That just seems just crazy to me.

You're throwing around this kind of, these kind of sums of money. It just shows how little they care about the like writing aspect, even though like for, especially for big shows like this, that is the heart of it. If you lose the writing, then you know, you saw what happened with like Game of Thrones. It's everything with these big fantasy epics.

It's like the heart. Yeah. And it's just such a strange decision for them to do that. Yeah, sure. Like for some projects, like it's fun to have like a new voice, a new kind of. Maybe they thought they were going to like mimic the whole Peter Jackson situation or something. But even though he had a history. He had a bit of a history before he was picked for Lord of the Rings.

True. No matter like which angle, like. Look at it from, like, that is just so confusing to me. And they're like saying that all this, oh, by the big twist, you guys, you're going to change your mind. And everyone, like, in the community or whatever, it was just, it brought down to this theory of, like, oh, who is, who's Sarum? Yeah. Like, where is he? And it's, like, revealed on, like, the sixth or seventh episode.

Yeah. And it's just, like, really? Like, you've already, like, blown that whole thing. You could have had such, like, an intrigue buildup. Yeah. It just doesn't really care about the characters. It's really weird. It's, like, so plot-led, the characters just, like, they just don't do anything.

They're so, like, irrelevant and unmemorable. The plot meanders for so long just doing nothing, and you expect these payoffs. And I guess, spoiler discussion for, if you haven't figured that out, anybody listening, spoiler discussion. So, like, there's characters. that will show up in an episode only to die in the same episode. And then the main characters that you actually get don't die ever. And just it's only, it's only like new disposable main characters that ever die. They just show up, they're like, oh, I'm being developed slightly now.

And then they're like, oh, and they don't even just get a death. They get like a slow motion, like, oh. And then someone's like hugging them as they die. It's like, okay, dude, like, am I supposed to feel something here? Like, you're copying and pasting the apex. the climax, the culmination of events from other source material like the first films, you're copying and pacing that without realizing that that only ever worked because of everything before that. You're taking should be the end result of something and forgetting to

get all of the steps that are required to get there in order for it to be effective. It is so completely unearned, everything that they do in this show. And it's so clear that they're trying to get that same emotional result. But they just don't know how to do it because they're fucking stupid. Yeah. Yeah. I really thought they were going to try and go for their own thing, their own star, try and detach them.

Like, why would you want to compare yourselves or try and be that same level as those Peter Jackson movies? Like, you're screwed from the get-go. Like, unless he's doing it or he's involved somehow, you're just fucking yourself. Like, why did they choose that? It's like the dumbest angle they possibly could have taken and they went, with it. Yeah, I guess through the whole thing, it is really slow and really boring. But there were a couple of things I did wind up liking at least a little bit that I saw some potential then. I didn't mind the whole like the dwarf stuff with the... Mithril.

I can remember is... Yeah, well, even then, like, I don't really like where that goes, but some of the like scenes with the rituals and the conversations they had. That was like the only conflict where I was kind of getting a little bit more. But even then it's like an unearned like friendship that you can't really see any of beforehand. And I don't know. It's like grasping at straws at a certain point. Like it's so boring and you're like so desperate for there to be some kind of like central antagonist or force like personified. So I liked when that kind of villain character came in.

But again, he's kind of sideline pretty quick. Yeah. Everything like potentially interesting it brings up. It's just, it just gets rid of. Nothing's properly developed. Something else. There's no, there's no satisfaction to things building up over time because the structure just doesn't care. Yeah.

Yeah. Simultaneously rushes through everything, but also it's just plodding and boring and seems like it, like, isn't moving. Yeah. It's so frustrating Like Galadryl's supposed to be the main character, I guess She doesn't do like barely She barely does anything for the first like half of the show Like yeah

And she's just wildly like unlikable Yeah Not that like she has to necessarily be likable If that's like the intention But it just becomes frustrating And meandering after a while It's like it's just frustrating to watch those three

demon things I don't even remember where they are they're like weird you know those people that look like kind of like art students yeah yeah I know exactly yeah and then they show up and they're like all of a sudden

like this big villain thing that wasn't a stat they were not there before and then within one or two episodes like within like basically an episode they're taking care of and it's supposed and it's treating it is this big triumphant like we finally got rid of them as if it's like you weren't established they

they weren't a threat until just recently really it's like why are you pretending through this music and through the oh my god the music felt like it didn't match with what was being shown visually for so many of the scenes there would be like like this big like bra brabara like grandiose sort of thing it's like dude just like where's the where's the wide shot like you're implying something so much different than the music is communicating. And the person that did the music, like, apparently they've done some good stuff here and there before. Not as great with, like, film, I guess.

But they, honestly, it's weird because in the opening title sequences, they got Howard Shore. And then for the rest of the show, they just got someone else. And the opening title sequences, it's like, oh, wow, it feels like Lord of the Rings music. And then the rest of the show, it's like, oh, God, what is this? It's so. it's not that it's different it's the fact that it's trying to be the same and failing

if they were going for something different and just decided to do something different than great but that's like that's the whole show it's like you're trying to get the same beats and trying to do the same things while the end it's just unearned and embarrassing it's so cringe I hate it yeah one of the ways they wanted to separate this from like Peter jacks is I guess the music like that's a huge way like like, okay, we're going to distance ourselves from the Peter Jackson one by not having like the same kind of music beats. And that's just something I noticed.

It's just like none of that. But the music's one of the best parts of the Peter Jackson films. I even know Howard Short did the opening. Yeah, the opening was fun. Yeah, I think they just hired someone that was cheaper. I think that's probably what was happening. It's probably more expensive to get Howard Shore to do the whole show. Maybe he wasn't available as long.

I don't know. Mm-hmm. It would have helped the show if it was Howard Shore, honestly. Like the opening title music is better than the rest of the music in the show. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it just would have ultimately been a waste if that's the story they wanted to go with. Because now at the end of season one, it's like, well, you've kind of used a lot of the kind of potential drama up now. You've, like, wasted and just run through all this, like, material you could have done something cool with.

Like, what? Like, are you really going to go down? the whole like Gandalf origin story like that's so funny guy I was so man really was like yeah it's just making me think of like uh like all those movies where they just take a character and they just they just show too much they just take the the wrong angle with it you know like it's just is that really what we're boiling this down to it's like oh the the the crowd the crowd cheer Gandalf moment like that's really not what i was looking for from from a show like this.

I'm like, Matt, like, where is there to take it? Like, what are you going to do? So, like, we've seen, like, the best part of the story. I don't know where you can take it. At the end of episode seven, where they get the title to show up of, like, what was it? Like, I don't remember the exact, the first title. But then it, like, fades out and it comes back and it says,

More door. And then, like, not only do they do that, and not only is it like this weird cringe moment where, like, I guess they're expecting to be people to go, like, dude, more door or something. Like, I don't know what they're expecting. But, like, they end the episode that way. That was like the end of the, like, that was like the apex. That was like their climax. I was like, more door.

Dude, it says more door. Just a fan service moment for the, yeah, for everyone watching. Nobody was happy with it. That was just so cringe. It was so embarrassing. Also, like, all of the titles. all of the font that they're using has this weird sort of like

faded border shit that just looks it looks outdated somehow like I don't understand what they're doing with it it looks like unclean and just weird like I don't know how to describe it it's an awful font every time a title shows up yeah it honestly seems like

they've fucked it but they've paid all this money for this license and this big five four season plan for this mega show that's gonna it's Jeff Bezos's game of Thrones that's what I always heard is like his motivation for this shit so well this is what's happened like how do you follow this up like they haven't like really mentioned anything about people loving this or tuning in to watch it like like you know they'd love to do yeah like it's just is it a success I don't really know they're gonna still do a season two despite the lukewarm

reception? Did anybody sign up for Prime to watch this show? Like, it's on your Amazon thing. Like, you already have, people with Prime video or- People have it for shopping already. People already have Prime. Exactly. No one's signing up to watch this. What were they thinking? Why did they want to do? They spent a lot on advertising too. They really pushed the shit everywhere. Every single, like, web page. It's like on the boxes of the packaging. Yeah. And it didn't come together well. So yeah, where do they get that confidence from? I think this was going to be like just the new thing.

Like and airing at the same time like Game of Thrones like basically comes back and people kind of like it more. Terrible. Terrible timing. Yeah. Yeah. How many fantasy shows can you watch like at once? Well, yeah, you're just inviting. comparison then two it's like one is like character led more what you want darker and then you look at rings of power and it's so well you're really not

doing anything here anything of import in fact you're just kind of annoying a load of like fans using this IP and the expectations that come with it yeah yeah because they were teasing like the the bow rog as well like that was like oh yeah the end of one of the episodes like yeah just all the shit you know all the imagery you know from the movies like that has to be explained. Bell wrong. You need to know what Nithril comes from. Wow.

Yeah. Bell wrong. I just want to mention, Ralph, if you continue watching this, I want you to, there's a really, you will. You will? Okay. The way you tell if someone's a main character is if they look dirty or not, basically. Like, there'll be, if you see someone, it's like, oh, they're just clearly standing out

from the crowd and they look, like, clean and makeuped. and everybody else looks like dirty as shit everybody else looks like a villager like fucking like everybody just the characters that just happen to look like royalty even though the character doesn't say like that they are yeah it's kind of funny

yeah okay only dirty characters here are good guys yeah it feels like visually the way that they cast it and the makeup and like all the characters is it feels like a Saturday Night Live parody of the Lord of the Rings.

It doesn't feel like the Lord of Rings. It really does. It doesn't feel like a billion dollars. No, not at all. Not in the slightest. Ask the Dragon looks more expensive, even though it's cheaper. Yeah. It's just like how you use it.

The production is so much better in that show over this. Mm-hmm. Yeah, things they hear just look fake. Yeah, they try to like really get you with like those landscapes and yeah. But even then, it's like, yeah, what good is it if you have all this money to throw around, like, special effects? Yeah. It's just not in service of anything. Yeah.

Just like nostalgia for Lord of the Rings. Completely uninspired. The amount of people that think they can just throw money at art and get something good out of it. Yeah. It's so funny. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah. But there's such an influx at the moment of just pure content because of all this, like, streaming wars.

so just getting shit like this but like there's not that many writers you know it's one of the hardest parts like that's why there's not that many good ones available like all the talents just been sucked up yeah well like who would actually want to work on this like and and exist in those shoes you know of the the the looming peter jackson films like always there in the background like for every decision like what who would want to step into that unless they want to take it a crazy different direction just everything about it's just so dim Mm-hmm. All right, I gave it a three out of ten.

I found this to be worse than the Halo show. I don't know how you feel about that. That's like the best comparison, yeah. The Halo show was like really bad, but also like, I don't know. It hasn't really existed in that space in the same way that like the Lord of the Rings has. You know, it's like a different set of expectations. So the Halo show being shit and bad and funny. is less upset to me than this Lord of the Rings show that's supposed to be this huge big budget,

like professional movie quality, like production. The Halo show is kind of trying to be shit. You know? The Halo show is kind of trying to be shit. Whereas this was trying to be like something good. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

The way it treats itself with like, unearned gravitas, like just gets more and more frustrating as it goes on here. It really thinks it is. like Peter Jackson tear of like yeah this much heart this much like charisma and these character dynamics and the fun whimsy of it all but it just doesn't work it's so like stilted and awkward and yeah like a wolf and sheep's clothing we found ourselves saying the words the word unearned like I don't know eight times an episode where it just became we realized we were saying

the word so often it's just like you couldn't there could be no better word to describe the show is just unearned. The entire, everything about it, uneroned. Oh, definitely. That is the word for it. And there's just like nothing memorable about it, like the dialogue. Like I can hardly remember anything. I'm surprised you remember the character's names even because I didn't know anybody else.

I mean, I watched it with a Lord of the Rings nerd. It was explaining everything the entire time. It was pretty good. I had my nerd watch a line. Yeah. It's just another one. I was like, who's this for? It's not for like Lord of the Rings fans.

It's not for the Peter Jackson movie fans. Exactly. I guess it's just for nobody. Yeah. All right, question time? Yeah, I don't know about a rating. Yeah, let's do some questions. If you want to leave your own questions first answer in the future, head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit.

Just like Butter 467 did, who says, recently it was announced that Avatar, the way of the water, will be three hours 10 minutes long. Similarly, the new Damien-Shazel film, Babylon, will be three hours and eight minutes long. The scenes, as of recently, we're seeing films of longer run times appear more often. My question is, does the length of a film determine how you guys rate a film, or does it not matter to you? I don't know if that's true. I don't know, I don't know if that's just like a recency bias thing.

Like, there's been long films forever. Depends on what movies you watch, I guess. Like, do you only watch movies that? that are just like big things in theaters like and even if that is the case like are there more three hour plus films in theaters now than there were 10 years ago i don't know i feel like yeah there used to be this incentive um maybe like 10ish kind of years ago for your big like uh Hollywood action movies or whatever to to be basically as short as possible so you can play it more times in a day yeah but then just over the years like the rindice

Runtimes, like, started getting more and more bloated with these big, like, special effects set piece like Transformers type movies. Where now we're getting, like, what, the Snyder cut or whatever, which is, is that, like, six hours long or something? I can't even remember. Feels like, you know. No, I think it's three hours. Maybe four. It's like three and a half, maybe. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I don't really care about the runtime as long as you justify it. That's my whole thing. like if you if you feel like a movie needs to be three hours long to accomplish what you want to do go for yeah sorry it's four hours yeah crazy the snider cut yeah it's weird because like yeah like the it was like a big post on reddit like damien chazel's new movie is three hours and 10

minutes long i'm like i understand how that's news like you can just do people that before i see a movie i just look it up on i mdb like would people not have that information before seeing it unless they saw it on Reddit? I guess most people just don't look things up about anything before hand. It's three hours long. If I had to guess, probably. Maybe.

If it was like five hours long, then that would be interesting. Three hour long movie is not like that uninformed. Yeah, that's not like that crazy at all. Yeah, if you, yeah, Damien Chazelle and James Cameron, I really like those directors. I would watch a three hour movie from them.

Yeah. For sure. What was, let's see what the rent time? What was La La Land runtime? time. It was like two hours. Over two hours.

Yeah. Two hours, eight minutes. Okay. So yeah, longest film. Yeah. So that's like somewhat notable, I guess. But then yeah, James Cameron, like, that's not news. Of course it's going to be three hours.

Yeah, it's kind of what I expected from, you know, an Avatar sequel, right? So, like, one of those like Avengers movies was three hours plus. Yeah. It was an end game, or at least was close to it. Like, yeah. It's been going on a while. Yeah. this is crazy

127 hours now that's a runtime damn all right what was the question it was just more about like the length of a film determining how you rate it or does it not matter

if the pacing can be great or shit no matter how long the movie is I've watched things that were five minutes long that felt like an hour I've watched things that like five hours long that felt like an hour, you know, so. Okay. Let's do this one from Messy Burrito 3. Alex has several hour-long videos covering the destiny games and their expansions.

What are some non-film related topics that Adam and Ralph could make in-depth videos about? Is that like a game you would ever consider or think you could do like a big, like, YMS or Ralph the Movie Maker type video on? I'm like, I'm really, I think that the hands are. Halo 2 campaign is kind of shit compared to the first one. And people are like, why do you think that? It's like, I have a lot of things to say about it. But I don't know if I'd ever go through the effort of doing that when I'm so busy already.

It just seems like, yeah, to create another channel? Like, what do I do? You've done like videos on TV shows. Yeah. You know? And that's like not in the name. You could do it on a game, surely, and it? Yeah.

Games are like so cinematic now anyway. Yeah, I've reviewed some things that are less cinematic that video games are now. Yeah, like the Big Foot shows or whatever. Like shit like that, you know. Yeah. Yeah, video games is a step up. Yeah. If I had to do one recently, that last of us was pretty disappointing.

Maybe I could do one on the second one. Just because it's so like, yeah, we talked about it before. Yeah, it's like so disappointing. like how they how they tackled that because it's just like there's just so many poor decisions in that game

I was just like why why I was basically just slogging through it like I was playing it but I was not engaged like at all yeah like the story

aside from like clicking things on my control like I guess this is something I could do like fill an hour but yeah I was just I was so not interested in what was happening it's like the worst writing

and you're like dumb Twitter people were like, oh, it was woke or whatever. Like, it's not even really that. Like, it's, like, so bland. Like, it's so boring. It does nothing new. Like, the way the first one did. It was narratively unsatisfying and not even in a purpose.

Yeah, but the first one was so satisfying. And, like, the character stuff. And, you know, like, Ellie's, like, relationship in the DLC and all that. It's like, wow, this is, like, really engaging shit. Like, it's really well written. And, you know, really beautiful at times. Yeah, they threw it away for what didn't seem like a... For shock value.

Yeah, basically. For a bad idea. Yeah, it's pissed everybody off, like, for no reason. Going to subvert your expectations. Yeah, I don't know what they think of it. Such corny writing. Yeah. I don't know what it is with Naughty Dog recently, whether it's that or the movies,

you know, like the Uncharted movie. Like, that was so poorly written. Surely they could have had some influence. I mean, I don't know how much I'm going to blame Naughty Dog for the Unchartered. movie. Surely they could have gotten to like get at least a draft of the script.

Yeah, you don't know why you'd want to get a better writer. Yeah, get them the writer or something. That would have at least been an appeal. Yeah, at least for this HBO show, I'm pretty sure Neil Truckman's like writing on it.

So. Yeah, exactly. They could have done that with Uncharted. If I were naughty dog, I would also fart out the Uncharted movie. Like, who gives this shit? It shouldn't even be,

as soon as Tom Holland and Mark Wahlberg or cast, you don't want to put any effort into it. Like, you didn't... It's a waste from that point on. Like... Maybe it was the same people. Yeah.

Oh, man. You know what? People like that movie is going to get sequels. I've made less of a movie. Oh, maybe, uh... Tom Holland! Hopefully the sequel is better. It's Mark Wolbeckman. Yeah, Spider-Man.

I've always thought it would be interesting or... I don't know. These are just kind of like things that may not ever happen of just, I think, maybe could happen in the future, but I would have to, like, change around. what I'm doing, but, like, there's a lot of, like, philosophy that I'm really interested in. But the problem is, like, as much as I, like, talking about it, a lot of people on the internet are, most people are yearning for some, like, hard answers on things, but I just, I like to ask

questions and sort of, I guess, just think about things or, like, explore my thoughts without any real, like, I talk about how the human brain works, but I'm not, I don't have, like, a background in, like, neuroscience or anything, right? Like, I don't, I'm not, like, I'm not, like, educated in a science aspect, but the way that people think, you know, like the philosophical aspect of thinking about thinking, the metacognition, you know, being introspective about it, and like, why do we think this or why do we think this or how does it, blah, blah, blah, like, I love thinking about that, but then it's like the challenge of ever putting that into a video form is like probably more complicated than any other video. And I've made some complicated

fucking videos. So I don't know if that will ever happen, but like, I've been almost tempted to like I don't know make a little vlog on like certain subjects or something but then it's like fuck do I just do I open like MS paint and do I do the crazy like cork and chalkboard shit like whiteboard and look like a maniac as I'm talking like what do I do yeah I've been tempted to do that at one time I was think there's some things that I'm like

there's like conspiracy theories much like the Kim conspiracy that existed and I I went through hell and back basically just debunking it and going through like every nook and cranny being like okay no this is easily explained by this this is like you blah blah blah blah blah blah and there's things that I see in real life that have much more serious real life political consequences than Kimba where it's like I can see the exact same things with like the election conspiracy shit where I'm just like okay you don't like all the shit that people are sharing about this like it's so easily debunkable and all you would need is like

a comprehensive video detailing like every single argument but the another problem is it's like not only not only would it take so much effort to do that and I feel confident that I could do that because you know the Kimba thing like if I put my effort into something I can obviously do that over time but there's still people on my Kimba video that are obviously so attached to emotionally attached to whether or not the Lion King stole from Kimba that they have made that a part of their identity

if I were to do that with something as contentious as like American politics I don't think that I'd be changing that many minds Kimba is something where like a lot of people just didn't care about and they just heard about it and they were like, oh, okay, I heard about this thing. I didn't really look into it. And so it's easy to change people's minds that way.

But people are so heavily, emotionally attached to their political identity, and they'll be willing to just say, like, I'm not going to believe this because that would give the other side a win or something. And that would, like, it is worth it in the long run to not, you know, be honest about this and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, so it's something I'm probably never going to do. And I don't even like, yeah, it's never going to happen. Because like, what channel would I even publish that on? I don't want, I don't like making political content.

You know, I don't like making videos that are like, you know, everybody just gets so fucking annoying about it. It gets ugly. Oh, yeah. People are asses. Like, it gets, like, vicious. Yeah. It gets really, like, personal.

I said, I said, like, one of Elon Musk's Twitter decisions were cringe. I upset. I upset people. Some people, most people seem to be. with it. But there are some people that are like, holy shit. Like, someone, I'm not even going to say what they did, because that would just give them attention. Yeah. But yeah, holy shit. Yeah. Like, legitimate threats. Like, like, but people get, like, aggressive enough on, like, movie opinions, you know, that don't matter.

Let alone, like, like, political stuff that, like, is oppressing, like, culture or whatever it may be. It's funny that Elon Musk turned into a political symbol now. And now it's like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to pay $8 for Twitter verification to own the libs. Like, that's a thing now. Like, I'm going to give a billionaire $8 a month. I'm going to give the richest man in the world $8 a month for something that's basically useless just to own the libs. Yeah, aren't there only like 300,000 like verified accounts or something? Like, yeah, like, I'm not going to start paying for it. If they want to Take away my badge, cool. I don't care.

Yeah, a terrible idea. Yeah, people are fucking crazy. Yeah, it's just never seemed like fully worth it to like delve into that political space. Yeah. It's awful because I feel... It just seems like you only lose. Exactly, exactly. Like, you have to...

I have such... I have so many opinions. about things and I have strong opinions about things, but it's just like, it sucks because that's just who I am and that's just like a part of my character and it sucks to have to like rein that in when I don't feel like doing it, but I know like it's probably for the best that I do and it sucks to have to like self-sensoring that way. Too many bad faith like actors out there, like people that they're just, they're just ready waiting to take you down. Yeah. And then who knows how many of them are real?

how many of them are fucking bots at this point? Yeah, I've really most of them. Because like now the internet's just like entirely weaponized. Like people have seen how like public perception can be manipulated, you know, especially in an environment like American politics where things are just so tribalistic. Like people are, people are constantly looking for excuses no matter how shitty they are. If something happens like the fucking like Paul Pelosi's attack, they're like, oh,

actually it was his gay love, like, Elon Musk tweeted that shit out and then deleted it. Yeah. Later. But like, people are, people are looking so hard for, like, the first excuse that they can find. And it's never a good one. But they're like, oh, this is it. This is our excuse so that we don't take the L right now. And it's like, fuck.

And then people share it. And then some people believe it. And some people are fucking insane. Oh, my God. I've gone into it really again. No, it's like, it's like never been worse than that. Like, COVID shit is just like, bro. and everyone. It's like broken our brain.

The internet destroyed grandma's brain. Boomers shouldn't be allowed online. Yeah, well, this QA noners and stuff. Yeah. And they were the ones that would always say not to trust anything online. They're fucked! Everyone's brain is just fucking rotten. Like, and that's, again, like, bringing it back to like the Kimba video shit. Like, that's a small scale version of just everything that's happening in much worse ways. and in ways that people are much more emotionally invested in the outcomes. Like that Kimba shit doesn't matter, and that took fucking forever to debunk. And it was like,

it was a huge accomplishment, you know, like changing public perception of a thing. But like, that's nothing compared to all the shit that's happening right now. Of just like massive misinformation and, uh, people were just repeating shit that isn't like,

that either isn't true. or like has part truth to it and like intentionally misrepresenting what it is and just it's so annoying. We need another question. I'm sorry. I can't. Okay, this one will cheer you up from a responsible turn 925. Recently, Barry Jenkins was announced as director for the Mufasa prequel.

And that got a lot of people worried on the basis of its central concept, a Mufasa origin story. However, given Jenkins' stunning track record with the likes of Mufus. Moonlight, if Bill Street could talk and the Underground Railroad. I do have some optimism that his style could turn that terrible idea into an impossibly good film, similar to how the Lego movie or The Last Jedi came out, both of which I love. What are your thoughts on this whole ordeal ofuteur directors helming IP-oriented films? It's kind of what I was saying. I love that I love that you were going to give me a question to calm me down and we went to the Lion King.

Oh, yeah. The Lion King prequel. Do you not stay up a night fantasizing about what could be done in this prequel movie? No, because it's going to be shit. It doesn't matter. Like, Disney is proven that it doesn't matter what director is working for them. Like, maybe Taika Waititi will get some liberties to their style and have some creative choices here and there. But, like, in general, it's just, it's so personalityless.

It's just this factory produced same thing all the time. Like we were talking to the Pinocchio movie, the Pinocchio remake, how all of the same issues that exist in all the other live action remakes are found in that. And it just seems like the same people are making them, even though I guess that one was Robert Zemeckis. And I guess fucking the director of snatch did Aladdin. What's his name, Guy Pearce? Guy, Guy, Guy, uh, Guy.

Richie. Richie. Guy Fierry. Guy Pearce is an actor. Yeah, Guy Fierry, director of Aladdin. And so it's like, yeah, Barry Jenkins wanted a paycheck. He's there. What's he going to fucking do?

It doesn't matter what he writes. It's going to have to be a Disney movie. Like, if he's writing anything, it's going to be written within, like, extremely strict confounds or whatever. His directing style, they're going to have either the option of continuing the visual style of John Favreau's the Lion King, which looks like shit, and no characters can show any emotion. And he's going to either have to continue that for consistency, or make something where maybe you can see what characters are feeling by their facial expressions, which is going to

essentially just say, yeah, it was a stupid idea. And Disney would be like, ha, right, isn't that stupid? I don't know what they're going to do. They're either going to, it's, it doesn't matter. We'll see what the trailer looks like. But it's like, it's not going to feel like. a Barry Jenkins film. It doesn't matter that he's a tag. They don't believe they want to use that same John Vavreau technology, right? They're not going to want to get rid of that.

Especially how much money that film meant. I mean, you can still use that... You can still film the movie in VR if you want to and still have like facial expressions. You know? It's not impossible. It's like one of the biggest issues. I'm curious.

Yeah. I'm curious, but like the track route to record with this movie is yeah, indeed is. appalling, atrocious. There was just that news about the Hercules one. It's the next one where he's going to be an influencer or something. I only saw

the headline. Did you look into it? Because I didn't. Should we look into that shit? Yeah, it was like one of the Russo brothers, they're like producing this live action Hercules thing. I guess he was, because Hercules like, in that Disney one from the 90s, they kind of modernize it and he becomes like famous, like a famous.

Sports star. Zero to hero. And that's perfect. Yeah, exactly. I guess they're going to modernize it more. And having it. I'm really curious how they're going to do it, to be honest. Disney's live action Hercules will be more experimental and inspired by TikTok, says producer Joe Russo.

It's a headline. Yeah. It's definitely a headline. We'll see what that means. But like, they all have the exact same look, though, so I just don't really... Well, if they say experimental, maybe it'll look different. Remember the headline for Jurassic World Dominion, where he said he was going to be like the Joker? The Joker dinosaur?

And then we watched the movie. It's like, I mean, no one would have interpreted that from the film. Maybe it'll just be one of these. It's like, this headline means nothing. And it's just them talking about the film and getting some buzz for it, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

I feel like the goodwill to these Disney remakes might be finally starting to wane if Pinocchio is anything to go by. Yeah. Oh, that was bad. I think I lowered my rating for that. It was awful. Yeah. Yeah, pure shit, yeah. Oh, boy.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Pinocchio. I traded for the new one. Yeah. Germo. The Giamo one does a good. It should be soon.

Maybe we'll get a good Pinocchio movie this year. Yeah, please. A lot of new stop motion movies on, like Netflix, Henry Selleck has a new one. He made with Jordan Peel. I haven't seen it. That looks interesting. Yeah, we were talking about Netflix before. I guess we could transition a new news story that, like, Henry Cavill left The Witcher,

he's moving on to Superman at this point or something like that. He's been passed again as Superman. But they brought, they were, well, Witcher, you know, he's the main character. during The Witcher. It's only getting rid of a side character. Yeah. And like people say he's like one of the best parts of the show. He's the main character and they're just,

they're going to replace him with. That was the one thing, right? Like, even if he didn't like the show, everyone, like, was happy that he was playing. Yeah. And then now they're going to replace him with Chris Hemsworth's brother. I think Liam Hamsworth or Luke Hamsworth was. Something like that.

It's like, okay. I guess I can look up which Hemsworth it is. Maybe they just, want to keep it around so they have like their competition to rings of power and house of the dragon. Yeah, that's kind of what they wanted it to be. Yeah. That's like there.

Right. Streaming war content. Liam Hemsworth. Yeah, that's right. So yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's going to last much longer after that. If that's what they do. Yeah. I'm got another one?

Or are we done? I comfortable being done. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you said one more. Well, we did do one more. Yeah.

Okay, there you go. And we're done. Okay. We did it. We did it. Oh, yeah. I think it's my turn for a recommendation. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Uh, what if you go? Well, I'm going to leave you hanging for like 30 seconds while I, I'm just going to ask I have one that I'm thinking about that I

Yeah hold on hold on Hold on I'm getting scared You're getting scared It's gonna be All right Uh Let's do

The Revenant Because I have a 4K Blury and it's been fucking forever And Yeah When I was watching I've watched other films since the Revenant that have done the whole, you know, same time period or same sort of setting, I guess, like...

Frontier, yeah. Pray I was kind of disappointed by, and I was reminded of the Revenant. I was like, fuck, I should watch The Revenant again. And I know I have a 4K Blu-ray, and it's a safe one, and my boyfriend hasn't seen it, and he's visiting for a bit, so that's why I was. went away. I was just asking if he's seen it. Can you re-spark my fear of bears. Oh, really?

Yeah, I went down that rabbit hole of like people being chased by bears on YouTube. Oh, shit. Oh, my God. Something about bears that really like freaks me. That's crazy. Good choice for that. Okay. All right.

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