Sardonicast - Sardonicast 126: Blonde, The Revenant

Episode Date: November 28, 2022

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Three, two, one. I'm the king of the world. That was Leo DiCaprio in The Revenant. Famous quote from The Revenant. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is Sardana cast. Hello. I'm Ralph from Ralph from Movie Baker.

I'm joined by... I'm out of Riteche and, man, I was really hoping you were going to do a, like, a true Leo rolling around screaming impression. Oh, wow. Oh, no. Just grunting. That's my favorite quote. Oh, yeah. It's a movie with very little dialogue, and I wasn't about to, I wasn't about to pull up a quote from the film, really.

Because none of it is, like, particularly funny. These peltz. Yeah. Peltz. Before we talk about The Revenant, though, we got, like, a little bit of movie news. It's not, like, the newest movie news. movie news, but this is an article from October 25th, Indie Wire, saying Batgirl was just the beginning Warner Brothers Discovery to write off $2 billion worth of content in quarter three, which

I mean, I don't know all the specifics here, and the article doesn't really get into the specifics. I guess we won't get like a detailed breakdown of like everything they're writing off. Maybe we will eventually, but that's kind of concerning, in my opinion. God, I didn't hear this. You say 2 billion more. That's what it says. That's what it says. Yeah, what is going on there?

Like, who the fuck is running? I mean, they have a new CEO or whatever, right? So, after the merger, just some guys deciding to run it like a business without considering art. Think of the things they've released. Think of the things that decided like, oh, that's good. Like, Black Adam. Don't worry, darling.

Like, they're like, oh, that was good. Oh, that was that. Or even just stuff that they've been releasing. on like the Max originals. Like I saw a trailer for, what was it, Velma? Like that new Scooby-Doo thing. Oh, there's a trailer.

And I'm like, this is being made and not the bat, bat, cat, what was it, Batgirl? I don't know. Like, you already finished the movie. But why are they so picky, though? Why are they so picky about what they make at this point?

Because no matter what they make, it sucks. I just don't know why they don't release things that are finished. I mean, for money, obviously. But it must be something to do with like residuals. Yeah, yeah. It's just like just pure money trying to cut corners somewhere. It's such a complicated thing to even try to comprehend of like, oh, this is done.

You would release it and make money, but you can save more money through some tax write-off scheme by not releasing it. That's so stupid. Yeah, just like count it as a loss and then you're saving money theoretically. is that a gamble on whether or not it would be underperforming? I guess so. It's sad. Yeah, it's easier. But they just don't want it to be like an embarrassment.

But I don't know why when the stuff they release is like shit. Also, yeah. Like that gossip girl show is like terrible. I think that's HBO exclusive HBO Max. Yeah. I've been kind of made to watch that show. Have you seen that gossip girl? No, I've heard of it though.

It's fucking pain. Yeah. Well, it's like a remake of it. that old show. Oh, it's a remake. Okay. I was like, it sounds old. I wasn't sure if it was still going. The old was with Blake lively. And I think a couple other people got on to do things, but mainly Blake lively, so I know from it.

This new one, though, it's like, just total shit. It's so bad of writing and the dialogue. It's like hilariously cheesy and corny. And yeah, they just don't know, like, where they're going. Like, every episode has, like, a little, like, narration. like from the gossip girl or whatever. But like, nothing is happening in these episodes. They're just like, hey, gossip girl here.

I guess there's secrets around every corner or whatever. We're gossiping. Yeah, it goes nowhere. It's like, yeah, nothing happened this episode. So it's like, what is there to like conclude? What is there to like recap? It just, it all meant nothing. Yeah, I'm going to read a part of the article, see if we can understand it a bit there.

The moves are a part of Warner Brothers' discoveries playing to achieve cost synergies and trim up to $3 billion in debt in its first two years following Discovery's merger with Warner Media back in April. One of the more high-profile cuts last quarter was the HBO Max film Batgirl, which cost roughly $80 million and was near completion before it was ultimately axed. Hmm. Still don't understand. They're in trouble.

Cost synergy. Yeah. Yeah. Cost synergy. This is a bunch of jargon. This is making ups they go along. Yeah. Sounds like shit.

Yeah. They're in trouble. Bad news But like 2 billion And if like the Batgirl one And that's like a high profile one They're cutting

If that's what like 80 million Like where are these numbers coming from How quickly does it add up Because surely there's Much less successful studios in terms of the money They bring in But they're

We don't hear about them doing This stuff all the time You know Like Shirley Warner Brothers is doing better than Lionsgate, you know? But like... You didn't imagine.

I don't know. Lionsgate doesn't even have their own streaming service, you know? Like, surely HBO Max is like bringing in some money. It's like, what, in the top 10, like movie streaming services or something? Right? They don't have anything, yeah. Warner Brothers has DC. They have franchises.

Lionsgate has Saul. I guess I'm just not a businessman. I guess I'm not a... I'm not either, but they know franchises. I mean, they have franchises, both of them. I mean, Lionsgate has Saw. Yeah, exactly. And John Wick and Hunger Games.

Yeah, well, what are they doing with Hunger Games? Make a theme part on the day. I'm actually doing some spin-off shit. Yeah, they're doing like a prequel, I think. Oh, God. Just, just, we need to just stop. Who's the Lord of the Rings? Is that new line?

Well, it was New Line. I don't know if that's still the case. Isn't it like Amazon? Well, no, Amazon has the rights. I don't, well, they don't have the rights to the similar, Simarillion, I don't think. Yeah, they have the rights to like. So they make up their own shit.

Yeah, I think they, I guess they have the rights to the Lord of the Rings. I don't know. Some nonsense. that I don't want to try and understand it right now. Yeah, we didn't make the show any better either way. I was worried for a while that the Gumball movie was going to be canceled, along with that girl. Apparently that's still happening, according to Cartoon Brew. I don't know if either of you have seen the amazing world of Gumbull.

Cartoon Brew? Yeah, I have seen it. Yeah, I've seen like a couple episodes. It's fucking awesome. It's fucking awesome. view of it? It's so good. Yeah, there's going to be a... But I realize you're a Gumble phone.

Well, I wasn't until the past like couple of years, I guess. I had seen just bits and pieces on television before and been like, wow, that's a really cool blend of animation styles and looks like they're putting a lot of effort into this sort of thing.

But then actually going through and, you know, watching the first season on HBO Max, I'm like, this is fucking awesome. Like, this is a genuinely great kids show. I think that anybody that, you know, probably a lot of people that appreciated certain aspects of like SpongeBob as a kid's show that was still funny and clever and put effort into things, you know, um, not exactly the same tone or style, but, um, yeah, they really care. And it's so apparent, um, with that show. I've seen some like good absurdist stuff from that. Like, I've seen

like, loads of good compilations, like on YouTube of some of them. the like best jokes. I would highly... I would highly recommend Gumball. I think you would love it, Alex. Okay. Yeah, I might have to go a bit short then. Yeah. Yeah, don't have anything else to say about this fucking stupid

HBO Mac shit. Just stuff we've already said, I guess. Like... Yeah, just the economics of it, I just don't I don't get it. Like, how... Like, surely there's money to be made by just releasing like that you've gotten to the point where you have like a Batgirl movie, you've got Michael Keaton involved you all these like actors signed up all this money on the table.

Brendan Fraser was in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was going to be like firefly or something. Yeah, I don't know. It's just a really strange story and I want to understand how it even makes sense to do this like economical. Yeah. Imagine like the directors have had other projects at least, nothing like huge. I forget the other things we were talking about that. Oh yeah, they did the remake, sorry, the newest bad boys. Oh, yeah, that one. But then who was this? Who was playing Batgirl?

Who is that again? I'm trying to find her IMDB. Who is she? God, I can't remember. Exactly, right? Yeah, no idea. That's exactly the point I'm making is like, imagine how she must feel like,

it's supposed to be like your big break and like all of these emotions leading up to this release and then eventually there, you know, some CEOs like, eh, well, you can save money by, even if it was like a bad movie that could still get you a lot of opportunity

in the industry. Yeah. Just proving that you can be in a leading role. Or at least, even just being attached to like a superhero in some way. Could probably get you like voice acting gigs for like a video game or like TV adaptation or something, you know.

That's got to suck. Being bad girl. Yeah And it was so heavily publicized too It couldn't even Couldn't even like keep it quiet And just be like oh nobody knows about it sort of thing Don't want to disappoint people

It's like it's already public That sucks Yeah Yeah that's what's weird about it Like there are plenty of these like scripts That float around for like decades But it's weird for it to just get so far All this like footage be out there

And then it just no I forget about it Yeah Oopsie I guess it's all deleted Speaking of all that footage There was a lot of footage in the movie Blind And we all saw the movie Blind

It was a lengthy film Very polarizing Yeah Some love Isn't it almost three hours long? Yes Yeah It's pretty long

I drove into the city to see it In the Paris theater seated theaters I thought it took an hour I thought that this movie was crazy I thought that this was like a very special film because it was so fucking weird

and I can see why a lot of people liked it but I think it just kind of it kind of added to the chaos in the same way that like Angley's directing in the film Hulk did where it's like what the fuck is going on one of those perfect disasters.

No, it did, because remember how crazy the directing was in that movie? And it took, like, so long for me to be like... Yeah, that was trying to do that. Yeah, it took me a while to realize he was trying to do that. This was trying to be photographs of Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, it was based off the photographs, apparently. Because people are like, why are the aspect ratios flipping and why is the color changing from black and white to color?

It's like, it's trying to like replicate... photographs of Marilyn Monroe, like in the cinematography. I'm like, okay, that's an interesting choice. I thought the movie looked pretty great. They thought it looked beautiful, actually, at times. It's like real beauty to it, even though like you said, it is kind of chaotic. Very chaotic. Yeah, just trying to like figure out what it was going for,

because I was, yeah, appreciating things like that about it too. it is stylistically interesting and this like, yeah, catch in like the famous frames you'd know, like, hidden in there, but in motion. A lot of the look is what is nailed, but it is like still

three hours long. It is incredibly chaotic, like this total roulette of characters and like kind of an abstract framing. It's just to me like, you want to have the realism of like capture these images but at the same time it's not really a biopic it's not trying to accurately

really portray her life as far as I understand it's like kind of more of license just trying to explore like yeah imagery and kind of ideas and kind of the misery so it's based on a book and the book is like the author says it's not based on a true like it's not a true story like she never claims a true story it's like fiction she wrote like about her life. And I don't think there's like a based on a true story thing like in this movie at all, like a title card or anything. You know, I think it's like purely fiction. And I thought that was like kind of interesting how they like kind of played with fiction. Some people are saying like the movies like tasteless, right? And that's like a criticism,

a huge criticism against it. It's like it's ruining her legacy. Mm-hmm. And like, yeah. There's a lot of shock value in there for sure. It's pretty disturbing. I think of the movie Spencer as something that... It's like that creative liberties with an existing person. But when I watch that film, I can think of like really...

I can think of ways where I'm like, okay, I can understand the benefit of that because you wouldn't want to necessarily have this whole backstory explaining who this royal family is and what their perception in the media is. It's sort of like a jumping off point to tell a story. Whereas I don't know if like I'm trying to understand like what exactly about Marilyn Monroe was the reason for any kind of jumping off point with this film. Because like to me it could just be like, oh, just a fictional famous prison. And I'm not offended by them taking liberties with.

the, you know, the real life Marilyn Monroe, like, I feel like you should be able to tell any story you want. I just didn't see the benefit of it. Um, you know, when you make a decision, and there's no, I can't, I can't understand the, the, the, yeah, yeah, I was getting lost in that too. The point of doing it, um, is where it kind of loses me. Trying to figure out what they were trying to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like, what was the purpose of a lot? It's just like, Spencer. Yeah. It is like pretty cruel. to her the whole movie

well yeah I don't even like she's not even like alive like I don't care about I don't care about Marilyn Monroe's feeling straight now just the character yeah I'm talking about just the character in the movie

I will say like so if this was if this was not Marilyn Monroe I would feel the exact same way about the movie in the sense that like if I was watching any other character really okay I feel well you know

I can't say for sure, but I feel like I would feel that way. Because when I think about what happens to the character, and I guess spoiler warning for people who don't want to be spoiled for this movie, the way that they handled certain aspects, like the rape scene, it's not like, oh, this is poorly handled because it's Marilyn Monroe. I think it was just poorly handled in the context of the film in the sense where it's like, I wasn't sure what they were trying to say about it in terms of like, it just kind of, the first one that happens.

Um, it's kind of just like, it happens and then it's gone. And the way it's like so quickly edited and just sort of brush to the side in like a transitionary scene, it's like, is this supposed to be like a comedic? Like, is this supposed to be like, oh, ha ha, like, what a living. Like, I don't, it's, it's weird how, um, how the film treats that as kind of just like a brushing off sort of like, uh, move on to the next scene sort of thing. it's it's like the film is trying to treat it there's like an absence of weight to it which is like makes me start to think like okay well what what's the point of showing it you know um and i yeah regardless of whether or not it's marylin monroe it feels like weird to me yeah the intent is definitely muddy um and it feels like it was trying something but that's the risk

with the experiment is that it can kind of fall flat on its face and not particularly work. But I find it interesting what you're saying about imagining this film without it being about Marilyn, because I can't even picture it without that aspect. It's like all built around that, relying on that imagery, relying on basically Anna de Amos doing her impression. I forgot about the accent.

Which for me, like, yeah, the accent was really bugging me, man. It was pulling me out. Oh, what, her accent coming out? Yeah, I did hear come through. She's Chilean, I think. But it was like a very weird, like... Yeah, okay. There's...

She sounds Spanish, but I think she's from Chile. I'm not sure, but... She... Yeah, it's so weird. I wrote down, like, so many instances of this in case I, like, decided to have, like, an edit or video or something. I'm really busy with a lot of things. It might happen, it might not, but...

Just the way that she pronounced... certain words is so, if it was not Marilyn Monroe, then it wouldn't be an issue. Yeah, that's the thing. She's got such a distinctly intonation. Yeah. So you're expecting something in particular and you're not getting it. Yeah. That's an instance where it's like, okay, well, if this was its own character, then I wouldn't be distracted by the inconsistencies in the accent or like this clear attempt to mask your Chilean I believe accent and try to do an American accent

I guess but just not successfully pulling it off hmm I wonder if if Andrew Dominic really wanted to tell this story and he's a really interesting director for sure like I'll see whatever he makes next even more so because of this I thought that this was like just such a crazy movie

yeah you should have read the book years ago. He said he read it like 10 years ago. He never thought he'd make a movie out of it. Yeah. Oh, weird. And then he got the offer to do what I guess, or he made the movie. I think he said something like a woman from that era, like a bunch of horrors or something like that. What? That's his quote. The director said that.

Yeah. He's like, that bunch of hoars. Yeah. I didn't do a deep dive. Yeah, that's a lot of, like, the director's comments kind of like are kind of weird about this movie. I heard that there were some questionable things he said, yeah. That made it seem like he doesn't really respect the, you know, Marilyn or like the subject, which is like weird because then it's like, why are you making... It's just actresses from that period. The movie. Yeah, why are you even doing that? I guess that's like what he's exploring. It's like a, you know, how fame like destroys your life or something.

Have you both seen his other films? So he's done assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford, killing them softly. And I think... I think the only one I haven't seen, the only feature I haven't seen from him is chopper, which... Yeah, it's chopper. Yeah, I saw killing himself when that came out, but, um, not the others. Yeah. I saw the Jesse James one. That was great.

They're all, like, pretty different from the ones that I've seen. And he's got, like, a style for sure, but they're all, like, very different. They're all good, though. All those movies are good. Oh, and he did a couple episodes of Mind Hunter, just looking at it as in the debut. Yeah. Oh, huh. Uh-huh.

Yeah, but they're good. I really, uh, I feel for you, Ralph, because, like, this is one of those films where it's, like, almost kind of like, um, the discussion behind the movie is kind of like almost weaponized in a way. Um, I don't think that, you know, someone, uh, you know, someone who enjoys this movie for its, like, artistic choices is, you know, not like, oh, you're a sexist or sort of thing. So I feel for you in that sense, you've got, like, a tough, a tough position. to defend just because people are kind of, you know, weird about this movie. There's like a conversation.

Well, it seems like people, yeah, like they love it or they hate it. People are like, yeah, this is great. Reminds of it, the Firewalk with me. One of the most polarizing movies in a long time, honestly. Yeah, it's polarizing. But yeah, I definitely see the criticisms with it. I more had an issue with this scene of like her talking to the baby. That would, like, yeah.

Yeah, we needed to bring that up. A strangely pro-life film. That was weird. Yeah, is that really what they were saying with that? I think it's just, yeah, it just has a pro-life angle. I think that's what they were trying to get at. Yeah. Otherwise, I don't know why they would keep doing it.

I'm not like a big Marilyn Monroe. The talking feeling. Yeah, the character didn't want to. Like, is that like a big thing with Marilyn? Character didn't want that to happen? Like, I didn't really understand what it was trying to communicate with that. Kind of like the whole movie as a package. I was like, yeah, there's all these like floating ideas and crazy concepts,

but it's just not, it's just not coming together for me in like any kind of tangible way. Yeah, that was a weird thing in the movie. I think that's what most people are an issue with it. It was like, yeah, why there's so many scenes of like us having to see, like Marilyn Monroe's fetuses just like in close up. Like, everything is so fucking bizarre about it. Because we get, like, talking dead fetus.

And it's, like, played kind of seriously. Like, you know? Oh, yeah. It's serious. Yeah, yeah. And then, like, there's, I think we get multiple scenes in this film that are, like, interior POV, like, from inside her vagina. Like, while she's, like, getting it a border.

Yeah. You sure. What an interesting choice for a shot. And it's like, I get why people say that she's like, it's a weirdly sexualized movie. Because like, there's so many scenes in this movie where she's just like, okay, she's just topless. She's like at home, like by herself. Like there's no, like, it seems like she's topless for like at least 60% of the movie. Like that's what it felt.

I know that's probably an exaggeration. Yeah. Well, that was one of the more like appropriate things to me, right? With her being like a sex symbol, that's like her. Yeah. Her key kind of identity things, you know. It's like her sexuality, how she leveraged it at the time and used it as part of the brand. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, that was interesting. Yeah. Like, I liked her in the sense that she looked just like Marilyn Monroe, basically, with the approach they talk. Yeah, I wish it was more than just the look. They should have dubbed her, honestly. Yeah, I did it. Yeah, I'd be fine with that.

Because she does have a look. They might have done that with her singing. I mean, it wouldn't be the only, like, odd choice for, like, the presentation if they just had her completely dubbed. Oh, not, she's from Cuba, not Chile. Yeah, I said, she's Cuban. Thank you, sorry. I said Cuban.

Yeah. Bam. Got me. But, yeah, you see your, I mean, you hear her Cuban accent come through at times. Yeah. So he takes a lot of big swings. Like, it's trying to be challenging. and then like it's just sometimes it doesn't work.

The thing with the mouths, all the mouths big up a while about, like we were talking about other things. Oh, that, oh yeah, that weird, like Snapchat filter. And, you know, the fetus. Yeah, the Snapchat filter, yeah. I forgot about that. Well, there's just like a million things about the movie.

Like, yeah, that's really, it's a big swing and a mess. A huge swing. Huge swing. Huge swing in a mess. Yeah, yeah, colossal swing. It's like a South Flanus. You got to respect it.

You gotta respect it for being just so fucking crazy Yeah, but I don't know I don't want to show on it because I think it looks beautiful And the soundtrack, so good Score for this movie Really great by Nick Cave Not Nick Cage Nick Cave

The other The score is so good for this movie I'm like oh man, it's great I wish the movie was just tight It's like with so many biopics Like I think it has the Gotti problem I guess Or it's just like, it's, you're going through the guy's whole life or like Sto Unger or something.

It's like, you're going through the guy's whole life. Like, can't you just like pick like a one little chapter to focus on? Yeah, that was the show I could have. And trying to do like someone's whole life. Yeah, because it's like so much to focus on. I kept starting getting like interested or, you know, enveloped in certain characters or certain like moments in her story. But it is like the pacing is so quick.

It jumps around so much. It moves on to the next bit of drama. Yeah. Like, yeah, relish in it for long enough. Yeah, exactly. Like Bobby kind of volley or whatever. It's great. Oh, and then he's gone. And then Adrian Brody and he's gone. Yeah. Just keep doing that.

So it's been a while since I've seen this movie, I don't know, a month or something. It feels like forever. Yeah. One of my notes is that it feels like it didn't have any sense of direction. And now I'm kind of just remembering like, it seemed like just a series of like really short bursts of instances. is where she just winds up crying for some reason. Like that seems to just be like where every scene just leads is like she's just like,

I'm going to cry again. And it didn't feel like it was leading to any particular place. Didn't really feel like it was like even in so many other stories that exist where it's like, oh, the only goal is just to tell a story of someone's life. It really, it felt like there wasn't any. anything like wrapping it together, you know? We're kind of just like, I don't know. This movie could have chopped off an hour and would have been no different to me.

Because it's just a lot of the same stuff over and over. It can almost be a mini series. It doesn't really feel justified. Maybe that's just Andrew Dominic being like, well, it's on Netflix. It doesn't matter how long it is. Because like, assassination of Jesse James is a very long movie also. I feel like the... Yeah, but that movie was paced much better.

Like, there's like lots of really entertaining scenes. I mean, that had a place where it was going. It's in the title. Yeah. You know, you could tell... You could sense where the film was going. Yeah, it's definitely play around with the title. Yeah, that's a good point.

It never feels like it's going anywhere or like what its ultimate point is. It just kind of ramble just in every direction. Yeah. People were walking out when I saw it. I think people were expecting a movie like... Oh, sorry? Where? They're walking out.

Yeah, Ralph Cutton theaters before the Netflix release. So I think they were expecting a movie kind of like Elvis or something. Which is funny. Yeah, because they were like an older couple. That is funny. That's not what this is. It's kind of like, it's kind of like totally. Yeah, right?

Because that's kind of like, I'm glad it isn't that. I think that's why I kind of liked them more than everyone else. I'm like, at least it's not that kind of shit. This is like a really gross. Like, so it's like a saw movie or something, like how over the top and disturbing it is. Yeah. But yeah, it's like, at least it's better than something like Elvis or Bohemian Rhapsody. I mean, I actually liked Elvis, but it's not trying to be something like that.

Or like the new Whitney Houston movie. Oh, yeah. See, I'm not going to watch that. I'm not rushing to see Elvis. I don't know if I ever will. But this was interesting to me. Yeah, well, because the director mostly, I was going to see it. The new Andrew Dominic. Ball. I mean, it's a special, it's a special kind of bomb. It really is. Like, this is. I would probably watch this movie again. It's so, like, bad shit insane. I have, yeah, I've seen it twice. I watched it on Netflix. So weird.

I think I will watch it again. Man, I don't know what else to say, except, like, yeah, it looks great, and the score was really great. I'm like, that was also. There's some beauty in this kind of weird movie. There's parts about it that are so, like, repetitive that there were points that I got bored, but there would always be some like wacky, crazy decision in the presentation where I'd be like, oh, wow. Yeah. And I'm not saying it was always successful.

Some of them, I'm like, oh, wow, that's really cool. And some of them, like, I think there was like a sex scene where, like, her bed turned into a waterfall and she was, like, huge. I was like, why did that happen? I think it's, like, trying to be faithful to the book. Is that my people like a lot of the weird. In the book? Yeah, well, because there's, there's like a book which I haven't read.

That's how those fetus scenes hit me. Okay. This must have been something to do with the books and there's just something lost. Like the stuff in the opening with like, yeah, when she's a kid, that shit. That's like, that's like taken from the book probably because I was watching there's a mini series based on this also. That's the same as the book. It's all the same shit. Yeah, there's like all this stuff in the movie where she has like father issues.

Yeah. There were some people that were pointing out, I think on Reddit, they were saying that her character is like weirdly infantilized. And that wasn't something that I like immediately really picked up on. Because like I don't, I'm not like a huge, I don't really know anything about like Marilyn Monroe as a person. I didn't like I've never researched what she was like. So this was all just kind of like a blank slate to me. But people were saying like, you know, the way that they kind of like. made her seem kind of like a child in the movie is just like not true to her character. And I get that it's like, oh, we're telling a different story. But it's kind of one of those things where it's like, well, why is it even, why is it Marilyn Monroe anymore if you're going to have her change completely? One of the examples that I thought was particularly funny was just her not knowing what spaghetti is. She's like, oh, spaghetti? Does he?

Where's spaghetti from? It's just, like, that's kind of what? That's kind of a weird thing to put it in a movie. Yeah. You know? Yeah. They make her seem... Yeah.

They kind of make her seem less intelligent than she really was. I think she was, like, very smart in real life. Yeah. Well, I mean, they were... I'm just trusting what other people say on this. Like, I have no idea. But there were people saying, like, she was well aware of, like, the character she was playing into, and she was self-aware.

And, um... Yeah. You know, like I don't know I never met her I couldn't tell you what she was like You don't really get like much of that dichotomy Like explored in the movie

It's doesn't you know It's way more abstract It doesn't really seem concerned with even telling Outside of it She's just constantly saying daddy To like everybody she meets Yeah That's like the most common thing she says in the movie

Yeah So yeah I guess I do have to seed. There's a bunch of aspects where I probably wouldn't have as much issue if it, if it, uh, wasn't Marilyn Monroe. You know, there's a couple issues where it kind of shoots itself in the foot, like the accent, like trying to figure out why they would even make it a, based on a person in the first place. But, um, I think my, in terms of like whether or not the film works overall and what I was entertained by or, I guess taken aback by

were mostly just the creative decisions it was like you said a huge swing and a miss just very ambitious but just didn't fucking work in so many ways for me and it's it reminds me of Hulk

it reminds me of Southland Tales it reminds me of nymphomaniac it reminds me of like I know who killed me this is Andrew Dominic's M. Knight moment it's his Snyder moment you know like he's just he's got these decisions and I love the guy and his movies are interesting and I want to see more from him but like maybe he had too much creative freedom here maybe maybe

someone needed to like rain him in it I don't know what happened yeah just a little bit it's crazy I recommend this to everybody it's fucking nuts yeah I'd recommend to see too yeah I guess where I differ from you guys is like I found it just more of a frustrating experience. I was, I was almost getting more pissed off by those little flashes of the creative kind of like, the visuals that were coming in there. Like,

there were clearly ideas and something that wanted to be said, but it was just, it was just getting lost in translation or something with that runtime and with, yeah, you said the accent and just these weird details here and there, these fetuses talking and just the craziness. Like, have to be more crazy and shorter or actually like communicate some more kind of concrete

ideas about this human you know as someone who like you doesn't really know much about Marilyn I really don't feel like I have thought much more about her or learn anything about her since watching this no it's just really not really not what I'm after and I did actually look up that quote you referenced Ralph and it's pretty funny oh please Yeah, so it was journalist Christina Newland, who was conducting the interview with Dominic, tweeted an outtake from her transcript with the assassination of Jesse James director. Does anyone watch Marilyn Monroe movies, Dominic said, before going on to slam gentlemen prefer blondes as a movie about well-dressed whores. See below. You can read the whole thing on Indy Wire.

Interesting. There you go. He's clearly got opinions. All right. Yeah. That's funny. Oh, man. All right, numbers.

Yeah, I don't know if I would watch this one again. This would be like a one and a half star for me. Yeah, swing and a miss is the way to put it. Damn. Yeah, don't like this one, man. I loved this movie, two out of ten. Damn. Two out of ten.

Yeah. It was great. It's one of those. It's like what you said, Alex, when we saw a climax, it's a, it defies a rating. The Pfizer rating. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I'm just not going to give it a number. Give it a 10.

No, I'm not going to give it a number. Okay. Did you rate it on Letterbox, though? Just V2. No, I didn't. Oh. Okay. Okay.

No, I didn't rate it. I don't rate everything. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I veto, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for sticking to your guns and braving this tumultuous environment of the discussion of blonde, which everybody was really mad about a month ago, but I think most people would be around about it.

Yeah, exactly. It's sell down. Hey, man, you guys made a lot of good points. Had a lot of valid criticisms. I mean, yeah, I get it. I understand what there is to like about it. Didn't hit for me. But yeah, I love, I love Andrew Dominic.

I'm excited to check out Chopper. That's the only one I haven't seen. Yeah, I want to see Chopper. I love Jesse James. I love the score of this movie and some cool ideas. Mm-hmm. Cool, cool visuals. I wonder if his next film will be as crazy.

I wonder if he's going to go harder. I wonder what he's going to do next. Yeah. I want to see him make another movie. Yeah. It's not like, it's not like, oh, I'd never want to see one of his movies again. Yeah, I want to see him make another movie. Just like I see all of M. Knight's movies.

Hell yeah. I can't wait for gay strangers. Yeah, that's funny. Oh, yeah, that looks good. I saw that trailer the other time. Bros, too. He's the only one that could actually, like, sell that, though. Like, gay strangers?

Yeah. You couldn't just release gay strangers. Like, it has to be an M. joint and people will watch it. Could you if it wasn't directed by M night, no one would watch it. True. I think it'll be successful. The guy.

Type of filmmaking just carved out. He owns this type of just. Or maybe it'll boss. He needs that Jonathan Groff or Groff or whatever. The guy from mine honor needs to have him. John Groff. I don't even know his name. All right.

Um, we had a film. recommendation. It was my turn. I decided to make a safe choice with something I've seen before that I remember enjoying because my boyfriend was in town and I wanted to watch it with him. I didn't want to take a gamble with Death to Smoochie or something. So the Revenant, spoiler discussion for the Revenant, 2015, directed by Alejandro Gonzalez in Dialli 2. It's about Leo DiCaprio. Spoilers. He gets attacked by a bear. And Tom Hardy is tasked with making sure that he dies peacefully and is buried properly. And Tom Hardy gets a little impatient and kills Leo's son.

And then it's a revenge movie because Leo gets better. Yeah, watch it. It's crazy. What do you guys think of it? That's pretty crazy. I agree with you on that well. Pretty painful. Mm-hmm.

Like an intended way? Yeah. It's arduous. It's like just exploring pain. Fighting for survival, like a true survival kind of tale. Yeah. Seems like you had a lot of money to make it. Yeah.

Which is crazy. I don't know if it's... It's cool. Did you see how over budget it went too, though? Oh, probably a lot. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah.

I didn't see. Yeah, because they were originally going to film it in Alberta. And then I think I told you this before. There was like an uncommon weather event, I guess. It was called like a Chinook where like warm weather from somewhere goes in and blah, blah, blah. It's like an unusually warm season. That's right. I remember you saying.

Yeah, here we go. It's on Wiki. Yeah, they had to relocate. near the Rio Olivia at the tip of Argentina with snow on the ground to shoot the film's ending Um

Yeah I think that boosted the bunch of it They filmed a bunch of it in Montana as well But I think it's super fucking cool That they did This in like real outdoors and weather And like it feels so genuine Um God that's so much

Because the Like that natural lighting Yeah the lighting and just like the environment itself is so much of a character and it adds to the threat of the film like you know these scenes would be painful and uh stressful enough without the weather but you add that layer of like oh it's all he's also freezing to death and you can really tell because it's it's actually cold where they're filming um it was kind of like the um the inverse of um i think I mentioned this one we were talking about broke back mountain and like using the environment to like enforce certain like ideas of the story.

It is like the inverse of like the the kind of hopeful kind of open and warming, welcoming environment that's in that movie compared to the cold like desolate just anti-life situation they're in in this movie and like all the way to I love that shot towards the end where the Irish guy has taken out. by Tom Hardy and there's that just avalanche that's like set off in the in the background. It's just like really enhances what the main character is kind of going through and just you said there's barely any dialogue and so much of everything to do with this movie is communicated without words and just relying on those visuals relying on the grunts and the dirt and the grime to communicate a lot of the story for you. The camera work. That's one of the things I like about it.

Especially. That's one of the things I love so much about In Yadi too is. that there's a real, like, visceral, like, in-your-face expression of the camera, and he's not afraid to just, like, get really low to the ground or, like, really close to someone's face. And, like, you know, he's not afraid of, like, lens flare from the sun, but he doesn't, like, J.J. Abrams it where it's like, oh, that's the only thing you're paying it. Like, he's, there's something so alive about,

the way that he expresses himself visually, that it really just, I feel what he's going for. And it sticks with me pretty well. I gel with it. I like his style a lot. Yeah, it really enhances different types of scenes, Like the action is very impressive.

And you said about the camera work, you never get lost in how, like, chaotic things get. Even when it's like towards the end, that final like showdown with Tom Hardy. Oh, yeah. Like up close, you can really tell what's going on and it never gets confusing or lost in that kind of hamilt camera work. And it's just, well, the bear attack even and just all the choreography and just how kind of wonderful. that's pulled off with the mixture of special effects. And I was thinking about that with the special effects.

There's a lot of CG animals in the movie. But it really works here for me. Mm-hmm. Because they just shoot it in the right way. They have the CG animals interacting with the environment just enough. Yeah. That's always the thing to me. Like when the CG creatures, the dragons of Game of Thrones,

whatever, like monsters, these dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, like there's such a kind of, easy way to do it where you just plot them in the environment, just worry about all the mechanics later. But if you shoot like this with the wires, with like all this like rehearsing and people in like role playing bears basically in blue suits and all this, like you get such a effective result from that. That bear attack scene is stuff and nightmares when I saw that for the first time when it came out like that. It has never left me. Like I'll often watch that scene on YouTube. I find it so like so viscerally like horrifying and it seems like well researched and yeah something about that griszy man

it sells the movie seems great a lot of people just wanted to see leo decaprio fight a bear like that was the whole selling point of the movie is leo decaprio fights a bear it wasn't even people didn't know they were seeing like a revenge human revenge story like people and it people responded well to it too like this is one of the best examples of a film that proves that you can make an art film and a crowd pleaser without sacrificing in either direction, without having to compromise one for the other. There's so many people that believe that if you make an art film with like beautiful cinematography and music and it's performance driven and all this, that like it therefore has to be inaccessible to

mainstream audiences, or that if you make like an action, revenge story, you know, where Leo DiCaprio fights a fucking bear, that it therefore has to be inaccessible to the art crowd. No, this film is like one of the best examples that you can have both and you don't have to compromise in either direction. Um, that yeah, that's, that's, it's a really special film in that sense. Um, there's not a huge amount like that. Yeah, there is very little compromise. I was thinking about what you're saying with, um, with prey the other week. With, Yeah. Yeah.

It's so bullshit. Genuine language use and, yeah, subtitles and not having to worry about that is nice. Yeah. Yeah. So for sure. And they just like they, they hammed everything up in the marketing about like, oh, it's so authentic and it's just, it's really not. It's really not.

And watching Prey made me want to watch this again. It was it was, it was, pray was the film that reminded me like, oh yeah, I haven't seen the Revenant in a while. And this was. better than I remembered it. Really, I don't know when the last time I saw it was, but I really got like a newfound appreciation, especially for the fight choreography and the scene at the end. Not just in terms of how believable it was with each action that Leo DiCaprio and Tom Hardy had with each other in terms of like, they were doing like a really well-corrigraphed dance with

each other, but it didn't feel like choreography. It still felt like a genuine struggle. It still felt like two people, like, actually fighting each other. And the way that the camera moved, uh, especially when Tom Hardy gets his fingers chopped off, it shows like so little of it, but it's just the perfect amount where you can tell what happened, but it's not like, you know, it didn't like go in for a close up and like, ah, like, it didn't cut even, right? You can tell it happened.

Tom Hardy's reaction too. Oh, yeah. Really underplayed. The perfect way to communicate that, just so it's like you get to experience that same shock as an audience member. Like, holy shit, that just happened. Rather than the film manipulating you or obviously manipulating you into trying to showcase it or something. It was the perfect amount where any more subtly, you might not even tell that it happened. and any less subtly,

it might have felt like gratuitous or manipulative. It was so perfect. I loved it so much. Yeah, good action. Well, yeah, with the bear as well, one of the huge selling points in terms of the believability of how, you know, it's a CG bear,

2015 CG bear. Not only does it look better in terms of like a functioning model and the animation than prey or other films since the Revenant. But the way that it's used, it's not just, like, in prey, the way that it's used in that film is you have one shot of the bear, then you cut and you see one shot of this woman who's obviously an actor pretending to look at, and the director's being like, just pretend like you're reacting to a bear.

She goes, oh, there's a bear in front of me. and then he cut back to the bear. It's fighting a CG predator or whatever. Like, I guess the guy was in a suit. But, like, it just, it never felt like it interacted with anything in the environment. Whereas in this film, it's picking up, like, it's, it's grabbing at his back and, like, clawing him and, like, throwing him around. And the way that that functions in the film, like, I don't have a fucking clue exactly

what they were doing to achieve that effect of him being tossed around. Like, I'm sure I could watch the special features or hear him in the comment. commentary. Maybe they had like just some big strong guys in like green outfits like throwing him around or like maybe he was attached to like a lever mechanism or something. It's wise. Yeah, wires or it doesn't matter what they did. The fact that it's not like so obviously apparent, the fact that you don't see through the illusion right away and you're seeing the bear do it. It doesn't matter if it if it's not like hyper-realistic. this perfect whatever they were trying to sell us

in Lion King 2019 promotional material where it's like oh it's real it doesn't matter because it's real for the film it's real for the film's universe it's real in that environment and how we see it and so yeah it's awesome it's perfect it looks great yeah for 20 fucking 15 like holy shit it aged

beautifully I thought that it would have looked worse but it's just it's I thought it looked great I don't know if it looks real I thought it looked awesome Yeah, the bear looks great It was funny What you were saying

Like people thought the movie was about the bear Yeah, like When it came out, I thought Like the movie was about like Leo get revenge on that freaking bear Yeah, I'm gonna kill that fucking bear The bear That bear took everything

Yeah He fucked me up in the trailer I gotta get revenge on him Yeah, that's like the whole movie But no, it's about like Yeah, this whole Tom Hardy character He's like The driving force of the story

and you know there's more action from there Tom Hardy's great in this movie he really is my favorite performance in my in the whole movie in my opinion anyway he did a great job with the accent like he was super consistent with it like this is really

a great performance movie somehow with like such little dialogue and it's just like a revenge story that's also like kind of a popcorn movie to a lot of people it's like brutal and intense and gory almost like a horror film but it's also like a it's a really great performance movie somehow. Yeah. Well, he's like, you feel for him too, because, you know,

he's just like this poor guy. He's trying to, he knows this guy's going to die. So he's just trying to get rid of him. You understand him. He is a bad guy, but he is a bad guy. I love that his motivations are clear and you can understand that there could be a person that feels justified in that way. Like, you don't have to... Especially at that time. He's not just, ha ha, I'm a villain. And I'm bad because I like being bad. Like, he feels... He's like a product of the environment. Yeah. Yeah, like he's looking out for himself. He's interested in self-preservation. He let his paranoia over thinking, like, well, I'm being put in a more dangerous situation because of this.

I need to look after myself sort of thing. Like, you can understand why he did what he did. You know, he stabbed his son when he started yelling. Like, you know, he's a villain. He's a bad guy. But at the same time, you can understand why it makes sense for him. and he justifies it in his own mind. He's not a poorly written villain at all.

It's a very well, well written character justification. I do find the inspired by true events tagline to be quite funny, though. Oh, did it? I don't even remember. Yeah, if you look like on the poster or like an IBB, it does say like, it's bad. Because it's like, like the DiCaprio,

a Hugh Glass, like that was like a. real person apparently and he did survive but it's like a folklore thing yeah it was like it wasn't in like the snowy environment it was like somewhere completely different it wasn't like a revenge thing in the same yeah just crawled like for like 200 miles like or something um this huge like epic tale

of revenge and the sun and all that angle is yeah very much exaggerating like that kind of folk story and making it much more of like a an epic for lack of a bad word. Oh yeah. That's really funny. You're like,

none of that should happen. Yeah, because that's such that it's like such a joke that even like, didn't Fargo like parody it with its tagline. Oh yeah. Fargo says it's based on your story. Yeah. Like it's,

it's beyond parody, that kind of stuff at this point. But I don't know. It's not really like I'm sat there thinking about that while watching the movie. It's just funny that they advertised it based on that. Yeah. Yeah, does that even, like, sell tickets? Or are people just doing it because they think that it might?

It must do, because, like, there's a bunch of movies to it. Like, there was that alien, like, abduction movie that did it. I feel like it gives off this air of, like, legitimacy. Like, it's something that, 127 hours, like, stuff like that. It's like, this was, like, real, and then watch the real struggle be overcome. It's more epic because it was real. Yeah, I guess that kind of is the implication. It's a real struggle

Yeah I love the look of this film I love the colors of this film You know there's certain shots where You know like in the interior in the bar Like everything's this kind of like Really orange lighting Because it's all natural light from the flames of the candles

And then it like goes into the outside And it's a really like soft like cold blue And it's just Everything's just so well communicated visually in this film, I love it. There's, um, the only real issue I have with this movie at this point is, like there's some dubbing at points and I don't know why.

There's like some lines that are like very clearly dubbed and I don't understand why they were because it seems like especially for the budget that they had, um, that there's no reason why it should feel dubbed. So it's like, is that a choice? and I if it is a choice then like maybe I should listen to the commentary like is he going to say why that he did that like that's really my only issue with it um all right I really see I didn't really notice that it's like there's a couple lines

yeah that's a couple of times yeah yeah I don't know it's very weird so uh here's a fun fact because of the reshoots. Let's see. Principal photography for the resident began in October 2014. A planned two-week break from filming in December was extended to six weeks, which forced Tom Hardy to drop out of Suicide Squad. So... Yeah.

Really? Because, like, I didn't know Tom Hardy was supposed to be in Suicide Squad, but I had always watched Suicide Squad. Yeah. He was supposed to be. Boomerang, man. Is that the guy that looks like Tom Hardy? Because that...

Yes. Okay, that's what I was about to say. When I watched Suicide Squad, I always thought, oh, this is just discount Tom Hardy. They just got someone who looks like... Jai Courtney, yeah. Jai Courtney, yeah. Literally is, yeah. That's so funny.

Yeah. That makes even more sense now. That's amazing. Uh-huh. Everything's in its right place. Yeah, literally dodged a bullet. The soundtrack... I think it's fucking incredible. I love the music in this film.

It's very interesting. Well, here's the thing is, like, a lot of films set in older times, they have this, you're tasked with this challenge of trying to decide how dated your soundtrack should be. And, you know, there's examples like Elvis, where it's like, okay, the movie's even about the music, and they're doing like new remixes of like songs like that can like take someone out of the movie. And so you don't want it like you don't want it to be too modernistic if you're trying to get someone in the time period. But then if you're only working with older sounds, then you run the risk of it just sounding like cliched or like stereotypical or recycled like this has been done before. I felt like the soundtrack was this perfect blend of of old sounds, but like through.

a modern lens where it was like, it wasn't like a digital sound, but it was like kind of a, how do I describe it? Like they took real instruments and then gave this like echoey kind of like filter, this like really soft way of expressing it where it's like, okay, well, I haven't heard anything like this explicitly before. So it gives it kind of a modern feel, but without. without making it sound like, weird,

like specific to a time period, if that makes sense. It's so difficult to describe, but there's something about it that I just absolutely love, the main theme especially. A couple composers didn't work. Mm-hmm.

So it's not just one voice. So that, yeah, maybe it's something to do with that, that combination of the different styles. I was noticing that with that kind of, electronics, not really the right word,

but kind of. Yeah. of is you can tell it's like more modern sounds but it doesn't distract from the visuals like it complements it weirdly yeah it's really unique for that you're gonna listen to it right now just to refresh myself oh yeah and there's like there's a wind sound in the soundtrack yeah yeah kind of dietic oh man i love it so much and there's so much space in between the notes to like really absorb each chord, each chord change. And you're kind of just like left there.

And it's this really like desolate, empty feeling before it like picks back up again. It almost holds for like too long in kind of an unexpected way that it's just, it's so perfect. I love the soundtrack. Yeah, it's perfectly used to like, um. Oh yeah. And it builds throughout the film. And it's not used too.

Yeah. Like there's not, there's not a note play. during that whole like bare sequence or through a lot of the action. So yeah. True. emphasizes it just at the right moments. Oh, I love it. I want to watch this movie again like right now.

I watched it like fucking a week or two ago or whenever I recommended it. Yeah. This is a film I really love for sure. It's, uh, I can understand some aspects of, uh, you know, some people might be like, oh, that part's a little cheesy. that shouldn't have happened. Like, I felt like inklings of that, but I was always

you know, aside from the weird dubbing, I felt like on this watch, I could find easy ways to justify certain things. Like, you know, near the end fight scene, he falls, chases him

down the hill or whatever, his gun falls. And I think maybe the first time I watched it, I can't remember, but like, I probably would have thought like, oh, just go back and get your gun like you can climb up there like you need the gun sort of thing um but this time i watched it i felt like it almost kind of makes sense that um he would just chase after him because a he doesn't want him to get away he doesn't want to risk like oh i'm going to have to you know if

if i have to climb up this thing to get my gun again i you know i don't want him disappearing on me But B, I think that Leo DiCaprio's character probably took that as a moment of like, you know what? This is like a sign that I get to kill him with my bare hands. Like I think he really wanted to do it with his bare hands too. Like I think at that point he was like, no, yeah, I'm fucking, I want to like feel killing this man. I don't want it to be like impersonal with like a gunshot wound sort of thing. So I think that that kind of justifies. it in a way too.

Yeah, there's a couple things like that where I felt like I was able to justify it more on this one. How do you feel about the overall pacing and kind of the flow? Because that was the one thing I remembered. I haven't seen it probably since 2015. And one of my memories was, yeah, I remember that being quite long, despite how good it was.

I remember that feeling. And for the most part, I was kind of surprised by how, how brief it does feel, how quick it does flow. But for me, there is a space kind of right in the middle, right in the middle of that second act that is mostly Leo kind of crawling around surviving. I love it. You start to feel the, but that's the thing. Yeah, it is like an intentional thing. It's like the whole point of the piece is to be arduous, is to be there with the pain.

Yeah. You want to suffer a bit with him. Success he gets. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know, I do feel that at a certain point, because I, the first and, like, last act, I'd, like, really love, like, the way those are pulled off and the way it all comes together, but there are points in that middle, whereas, yeah, it's kind of waiting for a different type of scene to unfold, especially because that Tom Hardy character is so good, you want to see. Oh, yeah. I personally wanted to see him doing as much as possible. Oh, man.

I just, I think it flows so great, but I totally understand what you're saying. I could imagine feeling that way, but I don't. I think I'm just so, I like In Yadhi-2's films a lot more than the average person. I feel like the way he expresses himself connects a lot more with me than a lot of other people. And I'm not saying like, oh, mainstream audiences, like even a bunch of, you know, criterion heads and other people are just like not as into him. A lot of people, a lot of people like his movies. A lot of people like his movies, but...

Yeah, a lot of people like his movies, so what you mean. I mean, a lot of his movies are successful in a way that most people who watch it don't even know it's him. You know, like, this movie was successful because of the, like, the stars. Like, Neo DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I know, but a lot of people watch this without even, like, comprehending who the director is.

There's some people that are, like, you know, huge film buffs that think that he's kind of a hat. which is interesting. Yeah, I don't think so. Oh, man. I think he's, like, so incredibly talented. I don't know who these people are. Who are these people that are talking to?

I'm not going to name drop them, but they're people that we respect. People that he's a hack. I'm not going to, I'm not going to name drop them. No, yeah, I love his movies. His movies are great. This is not a bad movie. None of his movies are bad. Bardo's got mixed reviews.

I loved every movie I've seen. Yeah, I was going to ask about Bardo. If you guys have seen it yet. More like Burdow. Is that the nervous one he made? Um, yeah. So he's got one coming out on Netflix in December. It might have, uh, a theatrical release before that, actually.

Uh, but it's called Bardo false chronicle, hand, of a handful of truths. It's got a 52 metascore 7.5 IMDB user rating. Um, metascore not too far off of what, uh, blonde was. But I will say that, uh, This isn't his first kind of polarizing film as the same thing happened essentially with his film Beautiful, starring Javier Bardem. And I quite liked that movie a lot. I really love that movie.

So I don't know. Maybe this will be his first film that I don't love. We'll see. But I love him enough that I'm going to watch it. I think it's on Netflix later. I think Netflix is distributing it, but I have no idea. I have no idea what it's about.

I'm just going to keep myself blind to it. Yeah. He directed a, like a VR movie in 2017. Yeah, and I don't know how to ever watch it. It was like it, it was a special VR installation at Cannes in 2017. And I want to watch it.

And I don't know if it will, ever be released anywhere. Like, just fucking release it on Steam, bro. It's like seven minutes long. Yeah. Steam me, bro. Oh, my God. Let me watch it on my fucking telephone.

You know? Legget. I'm gonna give him a piece of my mind. Next time I see my best friend Alejandro drove G in Yadai too. I'm gonna fucking... Yeah. It's funny because

he's done. so many collaborations with Gustavo Santo la la la la la and I have a lot of trouble with his name too but Who? The composer for the last of us and

other films we've talked about. Amoros Peros and what was the, we talked about one recently that broke back broke back, yeah, thank you. Yeah, great composer. Oh.

Yeah. The Revenant, man, I I am ecstatic about this movie just because it was so much better than I remembered. And I feel like I was just able to... It was better than you remember.

It is. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it even more. I found myself forgiving a lot of things that I might have been like cynical about when I first watched it.

I was more open to it this time. Maybe it's because I watched it with my boyfriend. Maybe I'm not going to be shitting on movies anymore. Maybe I'm just going to enjoy it. Yeah, that's good. My channel's ruined. Probably over after. Yeah, very nice.

Yeah. So I think I lean a little bit more to Birdman. Oh, yeah. It's like what I really want from this. That one needs a 4K. But I do, I, yeah, it does, but I just like, I do like how they're basically totally inverse of each other. Like, one is super dialogue heavy and it's just all about what the characters are saying nonstop. And then this is like, yeah, the total inverse, like the crawling through misery and pain.

Spitting. I'm saying shit. There's so much saliva and just like mucus, like coming out of people's noses and shit throughout this movie. I was like, so, I love it. It's so visceral. No, I do. I do like that about this. this movie the reminder of like but just the suffering for your art

whole thing you know that bugs me in so many movies when you can see you like like i know this is great like you're all on set drinking your coffee you having a great time you go to your trailer like right after a shoot or whatever it's like all fun and games and you can see it on the screen and like all these comedies or whatever but then you see this just like thinking about the crew like in the in that environment and but but it it is it's It's not just for nothing. It does, it does really affect the end product. It's like a stalker type thing where, like, that that becomes a story in and of itself.

And, like, the fact that they did sacrifice so much to get it made, like, it is evident on the screen. It does set it apart. Most of the movies, yeah, outside, like in the forest, yeah. Yeah. It's probably brutal to shoot. Yeah. Yeah, long takes. Yeah.

Yeah, really long takes. Oh, yeah, but it's so beautiful that. Yeah, I love the movie too. Sorry, did you give you a rating? I didn't give my rating, but I did just find out right now that his, his VR movie won a special achievement award at the Oscars. Oh, that's what I'm finding. Yeah, one of his four Oscars was for the VR movie.

Really? I didn't know that was a special achievement. But no one could watch anymore. I got to find out how to watch this shit. God damn it. Only the most elaborate VR setups. Tarni Arena. Arena.

I don't know. Sounds great. In parentheses, virtually present, physically invisible. Yeah, stick to films, Alejandro. It's a film? It's like the films I could watch on my TV. I mean, you should be,

I wish you could just watch it. VR can, if you can watch it on your phone, you should be able to watch it on your TV, in my opinion. Yeah, we're on my fucking telephone. Yeah. Because there's like 360 video you can watch on your phone that's like a VR thing on YouTube. My fucking telephone. Oh my God.

Who made that awesome video? There was a YouTuber that made like a 360 video and it was like a review also and it was, I tweeted about it like within the past couple months, but it was awesome. I forget who it is. They were awesome. what were they reviewing? Well, they were kind of talking about aspect ratios and like the medium of like experiencing

films and they were saying a lot about like VR. See if I can find it actually because it was dope. You know what's great about my Twitter is like I can actually scroll down to like a few months ago. Because I don't tweet like every fucking second. Oh right. Yeah. No, whenever I,

I find one of those accounts Oh yeah You actually can't scroll enough To go past one day's worth of tweets Yeah You know you found a juicy one Fucking deranged people Yeah

Holy shit Yeah not a good sign Yeah let's see if I can find it Hold on Video Control F video I swear I put the word video

In my tweet It might be from earlier Than a few months ago I've almost got it, I think. Nope, can't figure it out. Whatever. Somebody will remind me in the comment section. Oh, my God.

Yeah, I want to hear it because you guys are not as warm on this film as I am, which is fine. But I want to hear a bit more about that. Like, what are your biggest issues with this? Or, I mean, yeah. It's mostly the pacing for me. It's mostly, I just feel like 10, 15 minutes, maybe just I could do without. And it would, like, sit perfectly for me. But outside of that, there really is nothing that particularly bothers me about the movie.

It's just, yeah. Is this one of those for you? we can just put on at any point and just revel in the the misery. I feel like I could watch it again like right now, yeah. I love the movie.

I don't I understand like I get like a lot of people are just like they don't want to feel bad. I don't think that this is like a bleak like hopeless movie.

Like it's emotional. It's brutal. But I I don't feel like it would like ruin my day. I feel like it's something I can watch and just like appreciate, really. Yeah, I do find it quite bleak, to be honest. And kind of exhausting. Yeah, I do as well. But it's like, that's the point of it, you know.

Yeah, I think there is a bleakness, especially in that the revenge angle. Like the, you know, it's like so many stories explore the like futility of revenge and that kind of angle. and the way that resonates is like a a dower note for it to kind of end on but yeah that's not even my thing either because I do enjoy like those kind of ruthless movies as well but I don't know I guess there's something to do with the environment and it being in like the frontier and

the kind of Western kind of ideas there's just like other other areas it can start into that would interest me specifically more so than the the pure survival, like, environment, like, setting. But that's not to say I don't like it, though, I do really enjoy the movie. I think it's unique and well-made, you know. I don't know. Like, the visuals, especially, it's just one of those movies that, like,

kind of just sits in my head with, like, a stalker, like a Blade Runner, 2049 type movie where the, it is doing something very, unique, very visually memorable. Yeah, I don't have much bad to say about it. I think everything about it's great. Leo was great. Looks great. Like, everything we said, the music's great.

I love it too. Not negative on it. All right. 10 out of 10 for me, it used to be a 9, but I was like, am I really just going to let some of those, weird dubbing parts like I feel like enough time has passed where I feel so

strongly positive about this movie like after this rewatch that yeah it's a classic for me I could watch it at any point in time again I could watch it right now so yeah I'm just a smidge below um I give it like a

four star an eight out of ten really solid yeah a good exploration of just just surviving in a horrible oppressive environment yeah check it out

yeah I'm gonna go four and a half star good one and if anybody can help me figure out who that fucking reviewer is they made like an animated

they have like an animated character and the video started out and it was like a 360 thing your phone or in your VR headset. It was like a 360 video and it was a really great video. But I don't remember what they're called and I don't know why I can't find it on my timeline or my favorites list right now. I must have majorly screwed up or it was a dream and the video is not real.

But I think the video is real. I always forget that's like a weird feature on YouTube, that like 3D VR type thing. I've used it a couple of times, but I just totally forgot about that. Yeah. they know it's still on they turned that feature off no they just turned off community subtitles because they hate deaf people and they turned off annotations because they don't want you to be able to issue corrections

without uploading an entire new video they just turned off other features that are good yeah like the dislike bar okay all right thank you that's that question time Okay, let's do some questions from the Sardonicals community.

Head over to the suggestion thread where you can ask us anything you feel like, just like Joe R.C. did, who, uh, I don't know what it was about this one that really jumped out of me, um, because it's really not about boobies necessarily. When was the last time you remember being scammed out of a sum of money? You guys ever been scammed before? Yeah.

yeah yeah like yeah i was scammed so i recently i had to like get all my cars changed and do all the bank account stuff oh god it was so god damn annoying every time well no not every time but every time i i was about to say every time i go to america but it's not true every time i've been scammed it's after i've gone to america though in terms of every time my credit card information has been stolen it's been after a trip to the states um just to like ATMs or something. Well, so there's this crazy thing. When it comes to currency and like methods of payment,

America in terms of like restaurants and businesses is weirdly far behind and I don't know why. So in Canada and I think most first world countries, you go to a restaurant, the bill comes, they bring you a portable machine, you stick your credit card into it, you press some buttons, it calculates the tip for you or whatever if you tip, if you're in one of those countries, and then you take your card, they take back the machine, they can print on out the receipt. In the United States, although that is starting to happen at some places, the most common method

it is they take your credit card and disappear somewhere where you can't see them and then come back. Right, really? Yeah. And then they come back and then they bring you the bill and a pen and you have to do the math of figuring out how much to tip them and then write it in and then sign it. And then they charge that amount on your credit card after. and you know you go to a certain amount of restaurants like I don't know that employee I don't know what they're doing with my credit card I like the I like the non-American way where it never leaves my

site and they don't just go somewhere and bring it back to me you know because they could just be copying that information it sounds like yeah it's I don't know what it is with the United States I remember when I was um working at HMV when the chips were a new thing, like the chip reader, where you stick it into the machine. And people were having difficulty with, you know, transitioning to that, it would be like, oh, you got to leave it in,

whatever, blah, blah, blah. And it took, like, another, like, five-plus years to start seeing that in the States. It was really weird. I don't know what it is about American currency stuff, but... So they're not like contactless everywhere. Yeah, but not if you're at a restaurant or like a bar You know, you're at your table

They don't bring in the majority of places in the states They don't bring like a portable machine that you can tap on They just take your credit card and then bring you back a piece of paper and a pen to sign This sounds like crazy town I know I'm excited for like 10 years from now when that doesn't happen I'm very excited but yeah it seems like every time

my credit card intro has been stolen has been after a trip to the States whoa have you heard one of these scammers fuck with you Ralph not even not really

not like that I guess I've had stories but yeah not that bad yeah my credit card info yeah I constantly get like the um such a such a bull like

and then they have your info so then they'll keep trying in other ways oh like yeah the one at the moment I keep getting it's like random texts

from like people claiming to be the government saying they're like oh you can claim this and that for like your energy bill in the cost of living crisis and like yeah

it's just all they're just like praying everyone gets spam texts now that's like a huge thing everywhere so you gotta ignore them spam text spam calls in Vancouver basically you get a spam call

and you pick up the phone and it'll be a pre-recorded message in Mandarin and then you just know that it's a spam call I've been trying well I mean there's a huge Mandarin speaking population in Vancouver so you might as well you know go through but I have gotten some English ones where it's like this is the government of Canada you owe we're going to send you to jail

if you don't like I know I'm paying my tax you never got one of the real people ones where they like try and like break you down and like trick you into sending like a lump sum of I don't know if I have so you've gotten like an aggressive like I've had a few of those

yeah someone impersonate in a bank they know you or at least have made some kind of educated a guess that you're with this certain branch or whatever and they just keep up asking your questions and getting you to like do these verification checks and just try and bamboozle you into just like sending money to some random account um but yeah i guess it mostly they just like prey on old people basically don't understand like technology and security checks and things

i so there's um there's like a government uh uh system for uh like gas basically like in a home for like heating and whatnot. And someone came to my door, like in person, and they were like wearing a pin of that same company. And they were trying to not even convince. They were just saying as if it was like something that like needed to be done to like change it over to this like other system or whatever. and my dad just happened to be visiting from out of town and hearing like just in the doorway or whatever

and he immediately recognized it as a scam because he's uh he's worked in like the natural gas industry and so he's like super familiar with all that shit and he was like like yeah they weren't supposed to be wearing that pin of that company that was someone from the other company trying to get you to sign up with them that was tricking you into thinking you needed to when they're just going to charge you higher rates and they're just, I guess, going door to door, pretending to be a company from the government, uh,

pretending to be an employee from the government company. I can't, I don't fully understand it, but I was kind of just like, damn, if my dad wasn't, didn't just happen to be visiting me that week or be listening in the doorway there,

like, I might have like just gotten absolutely fucking boned. Yeah. Like, holy shit. And apparently it's just like a popular scam. Yeah. that he was familiar with. They're dressing up, they're like doing the hitman strategy.

They're just like, just like, just, yeah, like pretending they were working for another company. What the fuck? Jesus. Yeah, that's fucked up. Aggressive strategy. Yeah, he just like immediately disappeared when my dad was asked, started asking him like questions. Ugh.

He just like, don't like that. He just walked away. Like, holy shit. That's fucked. Yeah, sad to think about it. Well, here's another one that's sad to think about to be honest from Bablio 2

What's the documentary or a documentary where you fundamentally disagree With the perspective of the documentary slash It's filmmakers I've got an example if you guys want to think for a minute Sure What's yours So the other night I checked out this like

controversial documentary What is a woman? Oh, did you actually watched it? Yeah, I watched the whole thing. Oh, God. Is it even entertaining? Bad faith. I feel like you'll just get frustrated, to be honest.

Of course. Because it's like, yeah, it's so like bad faith and it's just like, you're posing this question, but then when you're getting answers, you're like editing it in a way. where you're obscuring what the people are saying. So you're not even like presenting the other side in like a fair way really. No. And it's just like it's just like just like just like a dunk.

It's just like a dunking more than a. That's a funny word for it. Owning the lib documentary. Yeah. That's so funny. It's really fucking lame. Joe Rogan loved it. Oh yeah.

He's a folk. It's one of those where it's like being spread around. It's got like really high reviews on like these sites for whatever. but that was yeah I assume a documentary that yeah you like on 9 dB

it's got like a really high score and Rotten tomorrow yeah well those those don't matter yeah yeah exactly it was

yeah just really bad faith it was it was frustrating as hell to watch it was like he's supposed to be like take the documentary

and use it to like explore some kind of idea or at least you know look at both sides a little bit instead of concluding everything first.

Like at least give it a little, just a little bit. Matt Walsh. Yeah. Did you see him, he was invited onto Joe Rogan recently, and he got fact checked. Because he was saying like, oh yeah,

like millions of kids, I believe, are like getting surgeries or under this therapy or whatever. And it turns out it was like 100 per year or something. It was like nowhere close to millions. And he was like, yeah. But he's like, he, that was his honest version of like, either A, what he thought it was or B, him trying to fearmonger.

Either way, like, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if it's just like any Republican, you know, talking head, whatever. But the fact that he, like, you made a documentary about trans people basically, right? Like, you, you should. Yeah. hopefully be familiar enough with the subject if you're doing if you're presenting an honest material out to the world if you're if you're at all concerned about any sort of integrity with your information or whether or not you have like trying to challenge your own

perspective maybe or whether or not you have like facts on your side like if if you're getting these things wrong and you made a documentary about the subject that's pretty bad I'd also like to point out, I haven't seen the documentary yet, but I don't know if I will. Who knows? It might be something fun to go over, but it might not. I would like to point out that the exercise of bad faith can be examined already in the title of the film, because the Republican talking point around trans people is very, very, very focused on trans people. trans women and not as focused on trans men. And part of the reason for that is, if you think about it, like, if he made a documentary

called, what is a man, we'd already know, like, that would be filled with all of these, like, social expectations, right? Like, Republicans have been saying this shit forever. Like, you're not a real man if you don't do this. Like, that has nothing to do with, like, genitals. You'll be, like, if you don't provide for your family, you don't have a real man. If you don't have a beard, you're not a real man. Like all these things, it's like, okay, well, you know, if you were asking that question and not what is a woman, then you'd get a lot of different answers from people.

And it would be like, oh, these are a lot of social, you know, presentation sort of ideas, not necessarily like chromosomes, right? What is a man has been something that, like, conservatives have always been talking about. And it's always been a social thing. So the fact that they're asking what is a woman and not what is a man. Uh, it, like, that's intentional. Yeah, no, it's just leaning into culture war. Yeah. Just inflammatory shit, basically.

Yeah. Yeah, dumb. Terrible. Which is funny, because, like, that also kind of provides, like, a little lens into how they feel about women. It's like, oh, it's, it's the genitals. A woman is just her genitals. Like, okay.

Yeah. That's all a woman is? A woman is just the genitals? That's it? Okay. If you want to admit that publicly. Yeah. It's really like smug as well. Oh yeah.

That was one thing that was bugging me about it. Yeah. Uh-huh. Sure. Well, he does this thing where he present, like, I don't know if you've watched any of his stuff outside of the documentary, but like he does this thing where he always has this sort of smug attitude. And he presents himself in a way where he is always kind of being like a bit sarcastic in how he presents himself. Yeah. But he's not doing like, this isn't like Stephen Colbert where it's like, okay, I'm parodying the opposite of my beliefs. He's being sarcastic while maintaining his same set of beliefs so that every time he says something monumentally stupid, he just goes like,

well, I was being sarcastic. And he just continues playing along in that way. So like, that happened with the The Little Mermaid thing where he was like, well, yeah, you can't, you know, like someone underwater, you wouldn't, you would actually make more sense if they were translucent and blah, blah, blah. And then he got heat for it. And then he just, he doubled down and went more sarcastic. He's like, you're a stupid for believing there was anything sincere about it. It's like, okay, well, you're not, just a joke defense.

Yeah. Like, what does that mean when a, when your parody is your beliefs still? Like, where it's just like, oh, but you're just saying like the conservative talking point. I forget the most recent one that happened with. It was, oh yeah, where he said, I think he said anime is demonic. And then he got called out for it. And then sure enough, he, like, posts a tweet that's like more sarcastic. So he's like, oh, this is obviously a joke.

And you can't, you can't dunk on me because I was just being sarcastic the whole time. It's like Tommy Wazzo saying that the room was supposed to be a comedy. You know? Or it's like, okay, if you want it to be, that's cool. But it didn't really seem like you were trying to do that. You're kind of just like, looks like you're just trying. not to take the L right now. Like you're trying to save face because you're insecure.

Yeah, it just makes your position that weak. Yeah. Yeah, very cringy. There was a documentary that I don't remember who in my household rented, but it was a DVD from the movie studio in Edmonton. And I think it was called What the Bleep Do We Know? And I kind of just like, this was before I was critical about the information that I was receiving. and I just assumed because I was at such a young age

that if I was watching something in a documentary, then it must be true. But now I'm older and I realize that like, you know, people who create things, people who write books, you know, are also very flawed and you can't really trust them without a good reason to. And you should be skeptical of the information that you receive from anybody. So it was making all these crazy weird like, like new age, claims about like oh the molecules of water if you you put the same water into like four different bottles and there was a monk and he was thinking really angry thoughts at one bottle of water he was

thinking really happy thoughts about the other bottle of water and then they examined the molecules and it was a different structure so there's a like your feelings can like change reality bro and it's like they sprinkled in like enough truth in the documentary to make it seem like it had some sort of scientific backing, but then it's like, okay, when you really examine it, a lot of it's just bullshit. What were they trying to sell with that? They were just trying to sell like the whole like it. So there's another documentary called The Secret and basically the entire thing is like,

if you think it, it will materialize in real life. And it's not like, there's a lot of people that are really drawn to this. let's call it a wishful thinking delusion. You can see this idea present in most religions. That's what prayer is. Is like, oh, if you think something enough, it'll happen. I think people are drawn towards that idea because it is like a nice thing that, you know, if it existed, that would be nice.

But then it unintentionally kind of makes this weird thing where it's like, oh, yeah, the starving kids in Africa didn't want it hard enough. You know, like, oh, yeah, they just. just didn't, they didn't like materialize. They didn't visualize it hard enough. Like, yeah, it opens the door to a lot of like, okay, wait, that's a really fucked up way of thinking. I think people want to feel as though they have like more of an influence on

the universe and that they're more connected and that there's like a objective sense of like good and bad and cosmic, carmic justice or whatever. There's something greater than you. Yeah. It's, it's a. tempting thought but it just doesn't hold up

was it actually called like going back to the other was actually called what the bleep what the bleep do we know it was the word bleep is in the title yeah what the bleep do we know so it's not what the bleep down the rabbit hole maybe they might have changed the title

I think that's the first one actually no wait what the bleep down the rabbit hole is the sequel I think I think what oh yeah yeah do we know is the first one. And where the fuck we found it? Oh, it's 2004. Wow.

I was like 13. No shit. I did. The description is hilarious. A fictional photographer's quest to spiritually rediscover herself is interspersed with documentary footage of scientists and theologians. Discussing the philosophical aspects of quantum physics. Yeah.

Whoa. This is crazy. there was a really annoying stupid so in the same with the same level of faith that Matt Walsh's what is a woman documentary had Ben Stein made a documentary uh fuck what was it called I think it was like schooled or something where he like the entire premise of the documentary is like atheists think they're so smart but atheism is like atheism religion to Godham

they're stupid and that was like the entire documentary it was just like if we came from monkeys how come there's monkeys and like that's literally the whole documentary

is just Ben Stein doing that let's see if I could find the title he's got me there yeah expelled no intelligence allowed um shitting name

yeah it was really bad and I will admit there's like like an inverse documentary that came out around the same time called Religious with Bill Marr literally the same year, that's crazy, wow. That one's actually all right.

That one's okay. I remembered thinking well of it at the time, but I think it was kind of clouded by me, I guess, you know, growing up in a religious household and like, you know, really being... I think the height of when I watched it was like the height of my,

how much I thought about like spirituality and atheism and stuff. Like now I'm like pretty comfortable in my beliefs. I'm not like trying to figure out the answer as much. Like I can still think about it. I still have thoughts, but like it's not as much of a concern anymore. So I think at that time I was a bit more charitable towards it. But I still remember at the time like it wasn't it wasn't like a substantive argument movie.

It was just him kind of like laughing at religious people being like, you're stupid. And it's kind of the same thing Ben Stein did. And yeah, it was better than that. Oh yeah, it's better than this expelled the intelligence alone. But it's also kind of just like, what's the purpose of it? Is it just to say religious people are stupid?

It's like, it's not a great movie or anything. Yeah. No. Yeah, that was the, it was a huge like atheist movement around that time. It was popular. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Sure. Okay. Well, speaking of rabbit holes and things like this, M-night needs an Oscar says, what's the last internet rabbit hole? You've fallen down. Oh, man.

What? It's a secret. It's a secret. Secret. I recorded a commentary for a movie that I haven't released yet because there's too much of a rabbit hole. And it doesn't seem. like that deep, but it's so interesting that I'm like, okay, well, I have to make like a better

video about this than just like a commentary thing. So I was hoping to have that like recorded this month or next month, but like I'm doing like a huge kind of like soft move to set up some stuff at like another residence and be living in two places at once. Like life kind of fucking is hitting me. And there's things I need to attend to. Yeah, nothing takes more time. They're moving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, trying to figure all that shit out and FedExing a bunch of stuff to another address. But hopefully soon, I would like to have it. The goal would be this year, but I don't know if that's going to happen because of that.

The Channel Awesome's got a good rabbit hole. I like that one. It's pretty deep. Yeah, Judy Hopps. Is that another one? I don't know who that is. I'm just, you'll get it later. Is that Channel Awesome, though?

Oh, okay. Yeah. I tend to jump around like various, like, law rabbit holes, you know, like, just whatever thing I'm into in the previous moment, like, just going through stupid amounts of law, like, because I watched House of the Dragon and started, like, just looking at Game of Thrones stuff again. I was just, like, got lost in all that lore and shit because it's just, like, so much to keep track of all these, like, families. and names and just pages and pages of stuff. That's my current one that I'm lost in. But I'll just jump from different law shit to other law shit and just forget half of it anyway.

There's a Wikipedia list of, like, a list of people who died unusual deaths. That's like a pretty fun thing to go through. Mm-hmm. It's a pretty good... Sounds fun. Yeah. Oh, that's, uh, doesn't that have like a name of the something awards?

Oh, there's, there's the Darwin Awards, but that's not, just an unusual. Oh, there's something different. Darwin Awards is like a specific criteria where someone has to either die or remove themselves from the gene pool without having had a child, uh, in a way that was their own fault and some sort of stupidity. So. I don't care. Yeah.

A Darwin Award is like, oh, you were stupid and you removed yourself from the gene pool either by death or like castration or genital mutilation or something. Jesus. Yeah. Well, it exists. It's a real thing. Yeah. It's kind of mean-spirited in ways, but it exists. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, the last huge rabbit hole, I guess, was Kimba for me. Yeah, that's a big one. Lion King 2019 in a, I guess, just a large blanket subject. All that shit. Still working on it.

Yeah, too scary. Yeah. You can dissect, not anything, but there's a lot of things that, you know, everyone covers on a surface level that you could get so much more out of if you just really dig. Like the Lion King 2019 is something that like everybody had already reviewed. And it's like years, you know, years had passed. But you can really just dig in there and find more things wrong with it forever. Yeah.

When you're working with something like that fucked up. Yeah. It's just endless. Oozing. It is like a new thing. musing postule of a of a movie yeah yeah um okay do you have any other answers no but i do have a question all right let's do one let's end with this one then from tickle me baby girl eight to seven the specialty box office is struggling immensely right now with maybe it's like tar till and

Armageddon time, among others, or collapsing or underperforming? Do you think that the specialty market will recover with time or will movies like this become streaming only within a few years? What were the expectations for TAR? That's the thing. That's what I never understand with projects like this. I don't think it's even out here till next year. Yeah, that's a part of it.

Yeah, sure. Got to build some buzz. But it's not out of it. Were they expecting that that to be like a huge hit? Because I was expecting to not even have a theater playing it near me. I just, I managed to see it. It was awesome.

Great movie. But I don't know what their expectation. Yeah, this is part of the thing. I feel like this is coming up more and more. Just like how we like measure success. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, like home video can be success too.

There's a lot of films that wind up making a prize. and home video. Yeah. Like Northman actually. So Northman. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh. I don't know. I mean, it depends on the movie. Like, Revenant could have fucking flopped if it didn't have Leo DiCaprio and Tom Hardy in it, honestly. Leo DiCaprio special. Like, if Leo DiCaprio was not in the movie,

it easily could have flopped. Easily. Yeah. Star power is like a huge thing for getting it. getting people in deceits. That's why Chris Pratt is voicing Garfield and Mario.

That's why Chris Pratt's just everything now. Word of mouth can hurt these things too. Like that Amsterdam movie. Star Power didn't help that. Didn't help that shit. Well, who's in it that we should be paying attention to? Amsterdam? I know it's like star-studded, but like...

Yeah. Anya Tell a Joy. Yeah. I don't know if people really see movies Christian Bale's been in more than one flop fucking John David Washington isn't like a huge good John David Washington yeah he's

I like him I like all those actors you can like them but they're not the only one in there that I would say would get people in seats would be Taylor Swift Taylor Swift yeah she's not some people in it but yeah she's not in at all if they put her on the poster then

they would probably get some more people Chris Rock You guys should see it We should talk about that one I don't know We should definitely talk about that one That would make for a good discussion I'll see eventually

Yeah If I don't have to go to the cinema I'd see it For worse of the year We were Alex and I were actually thinking Next episode We should discuss Black Adam

Because we haven't seen it yet But I'd be willing to Yeah I gotta see it take a theater trip for Black Adam. Yeah, you got to see Black Adam. Have you seen it, Ralph Aldridge? Fuck, yeah.

Okay. It was pretty bad. Okay, great. It's not good. Alex, I'll see it before the next episode. Yeah. Is it my turn for recommending a movie? Let's see.

I was just going to lose that. Yes. Oh, cool, cool. So I guess we could do that. Let's do it. All right. That's her question. So I'll recommend the movie Boogie Nights from 1997.

Woo boy! Finally, some people are going to be happy. I saw another meme about it. Yeah. Everyone's coming now. People keep meaming that I should need to recommend this movie. Thank you, Ralph. And I did.

I just did. Yeah, there's a lot of memes about it. Love to Boogie Wogie. No, I'm not recommending a shitty film. I'm recommending this one. All right. Take that commenter. Take that fucking idiots

Well somebody was like I recommended the Revenant And then immediately in the subreddit There were people being like Why is Adam always recommend safe movies That he's seen before? I'm like literally my last one was threads Then I'd never seen it

It was literally literally my last recommendation It was one that I hadn't seen It's fun to recommend movies that you've seen Go fuck yourself make your own podcast How are you supposed to know it's good How are you supposed to know it's good You should recommend movies that you've actually seen I prefer that.

I didn't want to take a risk. I prefer it. I feel like we've done like a healthy mix of like all of them by this point. Yeah. Yeah, we have. Yeah. Grow out. You don't even have to do that.

Get real. You don't grow. I would say don't do it. I don't prefer it. Like, yeah, we're going to recommend a three hour movie. I haven't seen. Yeah. I, you know, I've, I recommended fucking Satan Tango, okay?

That was like eight hours long. Oh, yeah. That was a complete gamble. Yeah. Fuck you guys. Cheap Dylan. So if you don't want to be spoiled If you don't want to be spoiled

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