Sardonicast - Sardonicast 127: Black Adam, Boogie Nights

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

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Three, two, one. You don't know what I can do, what I'm going to do, or what I'm going to be. I'm good. I have good things and you don't know about. I'm going to be something. That was a quote. It was from Boogie Nights. It was a boogie-wogie movie.

I'm Adam from OMS. This is Sardonicast. From Boogie. Sorry. I'm Ralph from movie maker. Well, Ralph Submie for Ralph Rulamaker. I'm Alex from I-H-E and... Hell yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, an interesting quote to begin, a bit of Marky Mark to get us going on this fine evening in the UK as I'm recording. Mm-hmm. There are so many good ones. Yeah, yeah. So many good quotes. I was kind of in a hurry.

I already realized there were better ones I could have started with, but I was like, ah, fuck it. So many awesome ones. The, uh, yeah. What was it? Oh, well, I'll bring it up later. It's in my notes. Yeah, yeah, there's many.

Especially from Marky Mark. Yeah. especially from him. He's really, like, great in the movie. Oh, yeah, we could talk about that later. But first, we got some movie news. I don't know how much we can add to this, but... The...

Ful me in. Bob Eiger, the old Disney CEO, is back. Bob Chapag. Yeah. Is out. So they... He was the CEO since February 2020. and now Iger's back and I don't even understand what the basis for this decision is

but it's something that people are talking about do you guys know anything about it? Yeah, what was even changed with Disney in that time? It got woke. I wish I knew more about it. They made Pinocchio. A bunch of stuff like that. They made a bunch of bullshit. Well, that's what I'm imagining is going to be like kind of the scapegoat, right?

Do you think like there's definitely 100% there's some there's some reactionary commentary channels that are going to say like thankfully thankfully the old CEO is back and Disney won't be woke anymore or something right? Surely someone has to have that perspective. Oh well yeah, some idiot will say that but I don't think it's actually going to have sent any impact on Disney for real. They're still going to make the live action remakes because they do well. Yeah. Like I don't think any of that like were they making those live action? Remakes before 2020. The Lion King of 2019

was before 2020. Yeah, of course. Yeah, so no shit. You know, that's just what they're going to do from now on. As long as it doesn't, you know, if it doesn't make money, then they won't do it. The Pinocchio movie being terrible. Like, one of you said, that's like a good, like, marker for, like, these kind of falling off. And, like, the public guy anyway, like, people that not, not liking them.

That movie is fucking terrible. ratings, holy shit. I was looking the other day. It's like two point something. Yeah. As long as they don't make movies like Pinocchio, they'll be fine. Apparently, I'm just like pulled up an article about it because I really, I don't really know much about this, this situation. It seems to do something with the shares falling by 40% this year and something to do with this like transition into Disney Plus and trying to run that whole new sector. So I guess I can understand from that kind of angle because it has been like weird. past few years ever since the like COVID stuff with like some full movies just go straight on Disney Plus others are going into theaters how are they recouping these investments like hmm it's just a strange situation for a business to be in I guess and maybe uh this old fella didn't have work to transition yeah so about the stocks and once they announced this the stocks the stocks actually went up once they announced that that's so funny

changing. Yeah. Pre-market opening. It's like 10%. Yeah, with no clear outlining of what would be different. Yeah. Or any plans. The stock price goes up.

Yeah, jumped up 10% like pre-the-market opening. I think today. That's so funny. Yeah, that is funny. It's all like, uh, it's like, Wolfo Wall Street. Ferry dust. That whole scene. It's just like what people

think is like going to happen. Like how much faith people have and like things. The perception of a company evaluates its stock, not necessarily what the company is or what its actual prospects are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. That's how film is too.

It's all speculative. It's crypto before crypto. Yeah. Just entirely speculative markets. Mm-hmm. With some basis in reality, but not entirely. Yeah. all right well that was about it for that because uh yeah but people are talking about it but i don't know

if it really means anything so oh man disney yeah who go disney speaking of disney the disney killer movie came out we all watched it it's called black adam it's just the now the dc universe is better because black adam came out hierarchy is going to change yeah so what was the context of that Was that like one of their tweets or like, why do people quote that? The hierarchy? I saw it as like the rock trying to hype up this character that less admit like no one, like who actually knows who this character is, you know? It's not like Superman.

It's stretching it with like Shazam and it's like Shazam's like arch nemesis character, getting his own movie with the rock playing in. I don't know if it's true, but how it comes across to me is kind of like just one of those vehicle movies where it's like, we've got the wrong. rock attached to this project. Let's just give him whatever he wants. Yeah, we'll change every element of the story just to kind of make him happy and be this almost like a puff piece as a movie for like the rock. The good and bad guy. Yeah, exactly. Where it's like, it's the venom problem again, where it's like, yeah, so you're not going to have the good guy character and try and base

it around this villain. And instead of leaning into the fun that could be had with like an over-the-top villain main character, they just kind of make them good guys or try and explore the gray area to like, little effect, but man, this movie's all over the place. Oh, my God. This was like a flash into the past. This was like what he was 10 years ago. Yeah, fuck yeah. That's exactly what is this a total mess.

Like, I kept thinking like, like, is this like, it's like, Dwayne Johnson running for office? Is this like a presidential like campaign ad or something? This is like the whole movie. Like, you could lead us. And he's like, hey, he's like sitting on that chair or whatever. Oh my God, it's hilarious. It's so dumb and over the top.

Yeah. I loved it. I probably enjoyed it more than you guys. It's, yeah. I'm also being sarcastic. It's very reminiscent of like just messy Snyder movie shit, you know? Which is funny because like before, what was it? Like before the film's released, it was announced that the DCEU is like changing direction away from that now.

So this is like the swan song or like the death rattle. They let him do his own thing. I don't know if you know who hit this director. It's, oh, fuck it. I gotta look up his name, but it's the guy who directed, like, a bunch of, like, Liam Neeson movies. Yeah, Jean-Colette Sarah. Okay.

Oh, yeah. The director of orphan. Orphan, unknown, the shallows, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just a bunch of bullshit. House of Wax. Unknown. Yeah, you know, like, a bunch of Liam Mason shit, too, like, the commuter,

unknown, nonstop. You're like, I've seen those. And so, yeah, it's like... Nothing particularly good. Yeah, exactly. It's just like a work for hire kind of thing. It's like, it's not like, incompetent.

Like, it kind of feels polished. I mean, there's times where it doesn't. There's times where I definitely didn't like... I mean, especially like the acting in this movie. Like, holy shit, dude. It's like really bad at times. Like the kid in this? I'm always like...

He was bad. I wasn't... prepared, like, I wasn't mentally prepared for the movie just being like, about this annoying kid and his parents, basically. And Black Adam is like, they have this weird, like, Terminator 2 relationship where he's like, oh, you're, you're a bad guy and you don't know. I'm going to teach you what's what they're going for. Quotes are that you should say before you kill people. It's like the thumbs up. Yeah, trying to get some of that kind of Marvel humor and, yeah.

That's the weird thing, though, is that it's not just about that. Like there's, if it was just about that, then fine. But it's also like, oh, we're also going to shove in the justice society and kind of do this like X-Men thing and establish this whole like cast of good guy characters. They're in mini kind of Avengers like team and have that be what, like a third of the movie, if not more. It's like a whole element they're trying to play with. Yeah. Just fall into that trap. These movies have been doing time and time and time again where it's too many characters they're trying to establish a one movie.

And like all the lessons learned. They haven't like... Yeah, Dr. Faye. There's too much stuff. Adam, dude, Adam Smasher, and whatever. Strange, macro Deadpool. Yeah, exactly. That's what I referred to them as in like my quick review I made.

It's literally, yeah, it's like we're already familiar with these characters. Like, it doesn't even matter at this point if they appeared in DC comics before. Like, it's too similar. It's too familiar, you know? like there's already an established universe doing the same shit and it's just like okay well that's that's too familiar like who cares you're not showing anything new yeah because that's always been like a marvel dc thing it's like they both both universes have just like analogous characters who are like might as well be the same like plug-in type thing but yeah this is the first time

i've seen it used as kind of like a shorthand to try and like imply a bunch of history and whatnot and It just doesn't work, especially when they're trying to pull... If they're using it for humor, then fair enough. If it's just for, like, throwaway gags, like, a Deadpool type thing, like, featuring the X-Men, whatever. But if it's... If they're trying to have, like, dramatic moments actually, like, mean something, have, like, some emotion. That do not work in this movie. No, because you don't care.

Yeah, exactly. You don't even shit about these characters at all. Right. It's just so cartoonish. Can someone remind me what the element was called in this? I remember I had a very silly name. Oh, Eternium. Yeah, I was going to ask.

if you had gone around your stocks and Eternium bought up. My new crypto. Yeah. Yeah, that was very like avatar. But like Black Adams's not in it for such a long time. It's mostly focused on like those like normal human characters and like their perspective. These annoying people. It is it's like terminated.

It's a mom and their son. Yeah. And like this sounds like. And he's like this super weapon We can save the world Another time and The kid has to like teach him things They have this like weird relationship

And yeah They were borrowing a lot from T2 Exactly And I don't know if we're in spoilers or whatever The shit they do with the ending Yeah just spoilers shit everybody They just go all the way of the ending With that bullshit for like the Terminator stuff

And at the end it's like We gotta lead an uprising Like the kid is like Talking at room volume Oh yeah A crowd of people well yeah that's he can't even raise

I'm just gonna love this oh god yeah he's like oh everybody we gotta like rise up and you know

whatever the fuck whatever the fuck you say yeah we got to do it and beat the guys everybody

like how can you even hear them you can't and then a bunch of zombies come out and they fight them with fucking I don't know swords

they actually did they did the laser in the sky thing I haven't seen a CBR movie do that for a while. Oh, yeah. It's so cliche.

It goes up and like all the zombies. The villains literally, it's Satan. Like, it's just like a devil with fucking horns. And it's like red skin. Like, it's the devil. Like, they made the devil the villains. It's really weird. Yeah.

You shouldn't have made him anyone else. I was for sure thinking, um, before the movie anyway, they were going to make Dr. Fate like, like one of those like good villain or like his good guy turned villain at some point, but that would have been interesting, so they didn't do that. It's like, went this other direction. It's like, okay, it's like this random dude who wants like that artifact or whatever. Probably some, you know, cliche thing. Yeah, because there's that whole historical angle because, oh my God, it's trying to do so much.

The first act of this movie is like, God, it was fucking boring. It's got like three intros. Yeah, yeah. It starts with the, like. I was so checked out for so much of it. Yeah, right, yeah. It's like fucking Wonder Woman, 1984. Yeah, it's like two pro-walt.

It was, like, so truncated. Like, the movie, like, it starts, right? And it's, like, 5,000 years ago, whatever. And it's, like, this period piece thing. And it's, like, this exposition dump. And then it starts again. And it's, like, current day. And then it starts again when it's establishing, like, this X-Men thing with these, like,

DC X-Men, like, Hulk-Man shit. And it's just, like, where are you going with this? Like, what are you trying to achieve with this? nothing is the answer it's just like the most expected like just plug in the puzzle pieces type narrative for one of these superhero movies algorithm like it just feels like an algorithm

put it together you know yeah well apparently from what I know like Dwayne Johnson's been signed on to be a black item for like a really long time I think for like a decade or so so they've like been trying to make this movie for a long time so it's like they're kind of just obligated to make it at some

point and now it's like I guess it's the time with like Shazam being out and then wanting to like push Shazam. This could be like the villain. But was it, was you, Alex, you mentioned like some bullshit where like Dwayne Johnson didn't want Shazam in the movie also. That's what I was reading. I was interested in having Shazam in the movie, even though it would have solved a bunch

of issues with the movie. Yeah. You wouldn't have to establish like a bunch of good guys because you'd have Shazam. The main character being like the kid could have. been the kid from Shazam, then you got like a dynamic there. I don't know, that would be better than this. Yeah, it's a bit more interesting. And it's the same reason like, you know, he doesn't lose the fight in the Fast and Furious

movies. Dwayne Johnson were like, you know, like they have that written in their contract. Like, there's a bunch of big dudes who fight and they just don't ever lose a, you know, a battle or anything. I've mentioned this before, but like the overwhelming amount of DC movies, just forget to be fun. And Shazam is a movie that didn't forget to be fun. And then same with obviously the suicide squad. So like James Gunn, you know, his, his new direction is obviously going to take it into a more fun place, hopefully. But it's crazy that at this stage in this universe, like,

we've already established we're changing direction. And yet they're releasing this film that's making like, it's this perfect example of everything that's wrong with the DC, DCU, DCU, whatever they're calling it now. It's just... Yeah, it's too snitory. Yeah, way too dark. And there's things that on paper, you would assume, are trying to be done in the film for comedic purposes.

But they still manage to have this like really weirdly serious tone in the soundtrack the entire time. And so it's just like, what are you trying to be? And then everything's way too dark visually. And it's just this gigantic mishmash of conflicting tones where it seems like nobody working on the movie had any idea what they wanted it to be. Like, they had no vision of the finished product, or they had conflicting visions, every person working on it.

It's like they filmed a movie that was almost trying to be more funny. And then someone decided in the editing room, like, okay, no, we're going to darken everything. We're going to add really serious movie. Sorry, music. And this is just going to be like a serious, like, like, cool, slow-mo, like, badass superhero movie and not some goofy thing. And then you get shots where he's like, like, like, he's Kool-Aid manning through the wall at like two feet per hour.

Like this is like a family guy skit where he's like slowly hovering through the wall and then boom like gigantic. That's like the comedic relief for the movie. Yeah. It's like John's doing that kind of shit. That quick shot of him like skitting across the ground on his face and stuff. And it's like, but that's during a seriously toned scene where it's it's not like satire. It's not like the music is to make fun of films like this.

It's still played off like it's its own product, not making fun of other things, right? So it's so confusing and conflicting. Uh-huh. I do like the serious tone things. Like, I just saw Black Panther, Wakanda, forever, whatever. And yeah, that's like, again, the director had a vision and it was a little more, I guess, the word, dramatic. But it was well done. It was like, still had elements.

It was interesting. Recently with DC themselves, like the Batman, Joker, like, for joking tone. They were consistent, consistently dark and it, you know, didn't, like, betray itself will be this weird. I was cringing, like, with the music especially when they were playing, like, that kind of song and all this, like, hype man kind of music. Oh, yeah, the soundtrack. Right, that's something I didn't mention by, yeah, the soundtrack. This movie's fucking bizarre. Mr. Black Hitler.

Especially, yeah. Especially with all the controversy. and Kanye recently. It's like we left that in the movie. It's like you could have, because that's a scene, like, you easily could have swapped out any song.

Yeah, just like put another fucking rap song and they were pop songs. They only chose it because of that one line in that song that's like, says every super hit his theme music. That's the only. Yeah. It's like, you can just throw in any R&B song that like kind of fits.

So it would work. They had the, it's so dumb. And I could tell that that was happening. Oh, yeah. They were like this. They were kind of like doing a rendition in the score and they were like, uh-oh.

Uh-oh. then they started playing it. I was like, wow, just because of the name Black Adam, and that's, that's it. That's why you have the song in there, and that's the only reason. Yeah, it's very surface level. Oh, God. What is this full metal jacket? I mean, this is, I, yeah, they use that.

I am still consistently surprised, just as time goes on, that I continue seeing movies that do the lower left corner bank gothic font of like, the location with that computer noise. Yeah. I'm like, this, this feels like 25 years ago. Like,

you know? Like, why are we still doing this? You know, I don't always, I don't always hate that in like every instance, but... I feel like you should use a different font

and a different noise at this point. Yeah. There's other ways to do. They were definitely going around a lot, too. Yeah, we'll just do what, um,

speaking of, like, DC movies, uh, like James Guns, uh, the suicide squad, like,

had a bunch of, like, creative, like, kind of dietic title cards, like, baked in the movie. You don't have to just, like, put a stupid little bit of text with the, yeah. Yeah, find a creative way to do it. Yeah, it's like text on a beach and then, like, the wave, like, washed in the way. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, yeah, exactly. Don't just be lazy. Yeah, I don't always hate it. Uh-huh. And yeah, it's just jumping around so much. Yeah, the pacing is, like, really bad. And it takes so long for Black Adam to show up. And, you know, once Dwayne Johnson does show up, like,

I do like him. I do think there's, like, times where his charisma, like, kind of, yeah, I was going to say, like, charismatic personality or something. I guess it's the same thing. But, like, it does come out, like, in, like, tiny moments, but, like, he's mostly really dower in the movie. He's mostly, yeah, just, like, kind of floating through walls and, like, acting very stoic and stern.

And it's, like, really boring. He's, like, really boring in this movie. I'm like, that's such a shame because it could have done something there. They could have brought out, like, some kind of. kind of sarcastic fun. Like, you do see in the Fast and Furious movies. I don't like the movies he's in usually, but I do think he's usually, like,

one of the best parts of the movies he's in. He can be fun. He isn't good stuff. I just mean, like, those Fast and Furious movies. I don't think he's been in a good movie, right? Unless... Well, I guess I could think of one, maybe, but it's kind of hard for me.

I guess I can look at one of water books. Yeah, it's difficult with him. Yeah. In the Fast and Furious movies, he's like one of the best parts. I'm like, okay, he's fun. in those. Yeah, he works in those movies because they almost know what they are a bit more. They don't even try to go above a certain level.

I feel like when you're playing with characters like this, you've got to have a certain level of self-awareness, you know? Like, I just kept getting, I was chuckling to myself at like this, the Hork character and like how restrictive, like, that mask was and you could just see his eyes, like, trying to act through them. And it's just like, there are certain writers. There are certain filmmakers who could take some of these characters and find a fun slant, put Black Adam up against Shazam, then you have the Stoic against the more comedic, and then you have something there, not like, man, fighting a demon and just turning into the same on shit we've been seeing for the past, like, 20 years with these movies. Like, you want some tongue-in-cheon.

The villain from the King James Bible. Yeah. Yeah. So frustrating. So, such is boring. How can a movie like this, like, it's just purifers. It's just pure effects and spectacle and action. It's just so fucking boring.

It numbs you. Oh, yeah. It numbs you. And I was just like kind of, by the end of it, I was just like not even really absorbing the film. And my friend, Shea, that I watched it with, pointed out to me on the car ride back home. He's like, wow, they really kind of hyped up this, this, like, demon army. And then you punch them and they disintegrate.

They were like, less. dangerous than like a pack of chihuahua. Yeah. Like the mom was like kicking their ass and, you know, like, what was the point? We have to fight everybody. We have to fight them. That seems so bad. That whole ending part.

Yeah. Holy shit. If you didn't even like kill Satan, if that's his army, like what? Uh-huh. It's the big deal. I forgot about that whole convoluted thing were. Black Adam didn't show up. Like, it seems like everybody had it under control.

Yeah. Basically, right? Or the army could have came in. The Dr. Fate thing, they throw out all that bullshit where he's like, I'm going to die later. So he like sees the future or whatever. And then, yeah, that hawk guy, like, it's so fucking convoluted what they try to do with that. He, like, kills himself. Like, Dr. Fate goes in.

Yeah. It's so dumb and predictable. And they're so uncreative of like, so the main character is this like, he's basically Superman, right? He's basically invincible. He's bulletproof. Yeah. Fly around. His only weakness is like a mineral.

It's like the same thing. Oh, yeah. But what, so they've got to come up with these like hurdles for him to overcome, which manifests is like video game ass motorbikes that like fly around that are powered by it. That's like just Hulk ultimate destruction like, oh my ass shit. It's like so goofy.

Yeah, it's like a fucking video game. I mean, it's awful. Yeah. It's so dumb. It was very video. The CG is really fucking. bad. Yeah. It's just so much of it. It's way too much. It doesn't look as polished, it's the Marvel stuff. It's a way too like, yeah. The whole movie looked ugly. The whole movie was gray.

It's just so gray and ugly. Someone left a comment on my, I recently reacted to the Avatar 2 trailer 2 on my high channel and someone left the comment that was really interesting because it really put things into perspective of like them just saying this is avatar is the type of movie that you get when you allow uh visual effects artists and animators the time they need to actually finish and complete their projects with the resources that they need right because the effects in those movies look great yeah that movie looks much better looks no shit just from the trailer and in all of these other films, it seems like it would be possible to have things that look that great. But it's consistently, we hear time and time again, animators and visual effects artists are just treated like shit. They're

forced to crunch and work a lot of hours, like even without pay, sometimes without credit. Like, and just these unrealistic deadlines and just like constricting the quality of the art. Yeah, an assembly line nature where like it, let's be real, like the majority of, of like the big superhero movies on this scale they might as well be animated movies like how many shots actually weren't like exactly yeah you might have a spiderverse thing where you can have some style and it'd be like a tonal thing and a like expressive thing we feel like some voices are going through but it's so much is lost through this like just mess of cg shit where it's not like an avatar you feel like yeah this is like James Cameron's ideas and story and like proficiency

shine through. It does just feel like a bunch of animators just like bashing like action figures together. Yeah, it feels like this movie was written by a fucking child, honestly. And then you hit the helicopter where bam, boom. Like, that's what I felt the entire time.

It can't be CG. The nerds need to see Twain Johnson in the suit. They need to see their eyeballs. It feels like it's overcompensating, trying to be too cool. I don't know if I've seen a Sub-Bere movie like this since Aquaman where it's like, we know this is kind of lame and we're like, you have to really like, okay, we're putting the rock in next.

We know everyone loves the rock and he's like a macho guy. He's huge. He's strong. Everyone's going to love it just for these reasons. And it's just like, it comes across the total inverse to me. It's like, hilariously lame. Yeah. Going back to the point on like, he just fucking kills people black out of him.

It's just like in the opening action sequence so he's introduced or whatever. He's like kills like a whole room of bad guys. It's like absolutely brutal I'm like damn I was hoping for more of that I was hoping they were gonna lead into that more Because could you see you actually doing something A bit more fun with that

I could like something like that But it's just the way the movie handled it It was so silly It's like again what are you doing with this universe Because Batman is kind of against that It's just so weird Where this movie stands And it is tied into like

Peacemaker too There is like a character That shows up Yeah And it's the same character from freaking suicide squad, the suicide squad, you know, the James Gunn version. It's like one of the people like in the office, you know, in the control center with Waller. I haven't seen Peacemaker.

Yeah. The one who's like married to James Gunn. Okay. Yeah. So they're trying to build out a universe over here. I think her name's Hawthorne in like in the universe or whatever. I think her names Hawkthorne. Yeah, they're trying to like expand it out.

But it's like, yeah. So that's all connected to like the suicide squad. but is that connected to like, you know, Batman versus Superman or is that like not? You know, they all kind of do their own thing. It is really difficult to keep track of like what is what in this universe. Oh, yeah. It's like almost impossible at this point.

It might be better to like blandify it a bit just so it's a little more consistent because we're going from like Zach Snyder's shit. Patty Jenkins and what she did. Yeah. And who did Aquaman? Oh, uh, uh, uh, one? Yeah, James one.

Yeah. No, if they did lean more into like the opposite Marvel, like, they were finding success with the Batman. Yeah, I think that's what they're trying to do. Yeah, well, they're trying to do everything. Well, yeah, that too. They're trying to give each one like a bit of personality. But like the Marvel ones, they're like,

people say like, oh, they're bland or whatever. But I'm like, okay, at least they're like a bit more consistent when you watch. Yeah, there's a consistency there. Yeah. They are stylized, yeah. Adam, that tweet you put in the group chat. I've forgotten about that. That's funny.

Which one? I'll just read it. I feel like the critics who gave Black Adam low scores are the kind of people who sit around drinking wine while listening to fancy music and saying that movies are art. Yeah. That is true. Yeah, so that was clown on Twitter. People who give Black Adam low scores think that movies are art. I was kidding.

I love the self-form. awareness the unintentional self-awareness here. And we're not going to say who the guy is, obviously. But like, their bio is like, they're an owner of like a geek culture, like comic book thing. And it's like, okay, buddy. Yeah. You can still enjoy it, man.

Oh, yeah. I don't want. If he enjoys it, I love it. Like, please, power to you. Please enjoy it. But it's funny that people just refuse to accept that, like, other people can have a different experience with art. Yeah.

But I guess this person doesn't think it's art. It's, I don't know what he thinks it. is. I don't know what he thinks a film is, if not hard. But yeah, it's crazy because, like, a lot of things like this, like the people's response to suicide squad, like, Angry Joe, like, sub-tweeted me. He was, like, really pissed off that I get, well, yeah, because of my suicide squad review. He was, like, really, really mad at me and tweeted with me about me without mentioning. Sorry, the original one or the- The original one, yeah. When we say suicide squad, okay, okay, the A-O-1, yeah. And it's just like, it's so obvious that there's certain people where

like they don't see films as art and they just watch these movies as a vehicle to justify their obsession over like comic book characters and these action figures that they've loved since they were a child and they're like but this i like this action figure and it's in the it's in the movie that's therefore the movie's awesome sort of thing right it's like i don't know what like standard you have the few like rare genuine like comic book fans who like really love like this specific run of black Adam and seeing it on screen, it's like tickling a certain part of their brain. It's like, oh, I've always dreamed of seeing him on a big screen. I'm sure those people are out there, but yeah, like, always dreamed of fighting or him fighting Satan.

Yeah, I'm sure it's in the comic somewhere, man. But I actually have a tweet as well from the Rock himself. That's always, yeah, he's always funny. About this damn movie. So IGN posted like a, like a box office update about Black Panther, saying it's earned over 400 million and that it's overtaken Black Adam, um, to which Dwayne replied to the tweet saying, crying emoji, what a neutral post. I love competing by IGN. You guys are in the biz. With us, there's no competition with the established global brand of Black Panther compared to Black Adam and JSA, who a year ago no one had even heard of. No need to knock us. We're new babies and have to grow. Can you link me this? Like, what the fuck? Yeah. It's really,

that's not. New babies. Does he feel like his masculinity has been challenged with this? Why is he? Like, what's the... What's the point of mentioning Black Panther? Like, it's weird to like bring that into it. Yeah, it's not your movie.

Oh, here we go. He's responding to... Okay, yeah, there we go. So the two movies are out at the same time and he's responding to a tweet of them comparing box office numbers. Oh, it's not a big deal. I mean, I don't know why you even needed to respond to that, honestly.

He... He... Well, look, okay. It makes him look like he's, like, embarrassed. Oh, he is. Like, look at... Literally, the first... The first character he types is laughing, crying emoji.

Which is the most insecure thing you can possibly ever type me. Oh, come on. It literally is. It's like, the entire point of using the crying, laughing emoji is just to say, I'm not upset. Look at... Look at the facial expression that I care that you care that, that you know that I'm doing the lying, crying, laughing, and that is the opposite of being upset. Like, every single time that's ever been used, it's been like that.

Like, no one's actually ever been, like, crying and laughing. They've just been crying when they use that shit. It's so obvious. Well, yeah, when I first read it, I thought it was, like, just one of the string of impersonation things with this. Oh, yeah. The verification thing is on Twitter. That's so funny.

It's real. You can search it up. I wouldn't say DC is a baby at this point either. Yeah. It's been around for a while. Yeah, that's the thing. You'd think of, like, how many movies are they made? It must be of a 10 and 15.

They've been around almost as long as Marvel has. These movies are huge. There's a huge, like, hungry audience for super air movies. It seems like he's just, like, trying to cope on that one. Yeah. I just don't know what the fuck they're doing. But did they expect this to be like a, uh, Fus and Furious type, like, billions in the box office.

I don't know what they were trying to do with this. They must have thought the lock would be able to power through. And, like, how is this going to tie in? Like, is he going to fight Superman or is he going to fight? Just say how old. Yeah, I suppose we should mention that. Because that's the tease in the, in the, like, oh, yeah. I stayed for that.

I'm like, oh, that was so predictable. That was like the most predictable thing. I'm like, oh, I got to stay for the post credit. Let me guess. Superman can show some. It was so weird. I was like, is this a twist? like we know he's in the same universe.

Yeah, it was announced. Yeah. It was announced in the news that like he's back as Superman. I'm like, yeah, I know this. Why would they announce it before the end of the trailer? That would have been built more hype for this movie. People would have been talking about it. Yeah.

People like, don't spoil it. I'm like, it was in the news that he's back as Superman. Like, what do you guys not read the news? They kind of sandbag their own Superman like return thing though. That's funny. I don't know if the movie's even really doing that well. I got this article from comic book movies saying, Black Adams unlikely to turn a profit leaving possible sequel plans in doubt.

So if this was supposed to be like a key part of the plan, like they're kind of fucked. Everything was writing on this. There was nobody. There were two other people in the theater when I saw it. So. Yeah. It wasn't an evening show.

Yeah. No, no, no. It wasn't like a Marvel movie where it was like packed. Yeah. I was there. and it was like a family like in front of me and they were like yeah

just like watching the movie and there's I think maybe one other person there there which is weird you know Black Panther was packed yeah absolutely packed of course I just thought the setting the setting was really dumb of the film as well

whatever I think it's taken from the comic book like wherever Black Panther's little kingdom is stale and repetitive and boring oh yeah absolutely and yeah it just looked like shit It was like all fucking gray. And they're like, oh, yeah, Black Adam, we were saving us by the fucking destroying property. It was like Man of Steel all over again.

It's like they're fighting in the middle of the city, blowing shit up. Yeah. It's like, why is everyone taking for Man of Steel? It's like the damn Eternals movie. How do you feel about the insistence and constant implication that Black Adam can do? do what superheroes can't because they can't kill people. So, Black Adams, better because he's not a superhero, even though he doesn't do anything really villain-like in the movie.

He's so inconsistent. The only thing he does, it's villain-like, it's just, like, murdering people. He's just like, yeah, I kill people. I don't go to fuck. It's like, there's like, you know what can stop him. It's just, like, such a weird dynamic for the character, him and the Hawk guy. character. I don't know.

None of them had any chemistry. It was so rushed. Yeah. What do you think? What about the twist? It like builds up to this like crazy reveal where it turns out that like in the opening exposition it wasn't actually black Adam's backstory. It was his son's backstory.

Oh. But because of how they obscured like the reveal. Like the statue that he keeps looking at. Oh, it's not actually him. saying and yeah it was like this really like convoluted like twist to try and add like some sort of reveal for like oh we're at that point in the where it feels like then it's some sort of reveal let's uh let's whip something out um yeah like like everything else it doesn't land or really do anything i i yeah i you total bullshit i couldn't have told you that there was a twist in the

movie i was just so chipped at i was yeah i wasn't i wasn't really properly absorbed basically anything that they were trying to do narratively because it was just so it was so shit it was so conflicting and it was just like it was the most boring narrative they possibly could have created yeah that that was pretty bad that whole every character was annoying yeah those sidekick characters like yeah macro Deadpool and the other girl macro Deadpool and Antman combined they just keep making these like quippy jokes. Oh yeah.

None of them are funny. Not a single fucking joke. I can't even remember one. Yeah. There's a lot of attempts. The funniest parts with the serious moments. Like when the sun is like killed in the flashback, it's like an arrow comes out of nowhere. Oh, I'm like, cheesy.

That was funny. So bad. The assassin's going. A lot of bad performances in the movie. What's her name? Sarah. Saha'i or I'm going to have to double check her name but yeah she plays like the mom of like the main kid or whatever in the movie

she's like a big big character yeah and there's the comic relief like her brother character where they're like trying to like I totally forgot about him but yeah he's like a big part of it yeah and that was awful yeah yeah and he's like a cartoon character yeah yeah he's the comedic relief yeah it is sarah shahi um but yeah yeah she's She's like a big part of the movie. She's like almost kind of a love interest for like Black Adam or like at least like save my son. Something like that. And like a really weird hen.

That Henry Winkler like a cameo where Atom Smasher like FaceTime's Henry Winkler for some reason. It's really fucking weird. I don't know what the hell was. Was that supposed to be funny? Maybe. So there was a scene where. So the kid. is like, yeah, two things.

They establish that the kid has a trap. The skateboarding kid. The skateboarding kid. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's like a trap door in their apartment that leads to the, like, hallway. And it's like, well, why is that there? And then it's like, oh, so you can escape

from the guy that's later. And that's the only reason that's there. But, yeah. So the first scene happens where, you know, he's interacting with the rock, they're awkwardly going down the stairs together as he's like floating through the center. And then I'm a bit confused about what was happening after that point. So the rock goes and does something and he's flying near the statue.

And then there's a bunch of dudes with radios that are bad guys, I guess. And the kid takes a radio. And because he can't act or enunciate properly, I didn't hear what he said. He was like, attention, all soldiers. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I couldn't understand what the fuck he was saying. And I, then there's this weird, like, feels like 20 years ago, like the, the beginning of Freddy got fingered where there's, like, breakbeat music, and he's skateboarding, and then he, like, drops it into the fucking the hot pot or whatever. Why did he do that? What was that all about?

What did he say even? That was something to do with, like, they kind of worship that statue, right, that turned out to be the rock. son so I guess he was seeing it as like now because part of the story is about this like militia that's invading the the land yeah so I guess it was supposed to be this like rising up kind of resistance type thing being led by this kid in the rock I guess yeah the setting is conduct

the sounder radio to like distract them from the rock looking at the statue or something? I don't know what he was trying to achieve. I just thought he was excited trying to... I don't know why he did that. Can someone please explain in the comments? Because I just... I'm so confused about why that took place.

And he apparently did it without telling the rock that he was going to do it. Uh-huh. Because he was like, almost not going to be saved was the implication. And he did the weird, like, Illuminati thing and tried to call out for him. Like, I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know what he was doing. That's right. It's just one of those things You try to understand certain parts of it Like I wasn't zoned out then I was like what the fuck is going on And then I just I just give up

I get exhausted I'm like well Who gives a shit? It's just hard to remember Because it's been so long I saw it so so long ago Was there something to do with the crown Because that was like the The Macuffin of the movie was the crown

Yeah The crown had powers that gave them like, yeah, all kinds of shit. Demon powers, yeah. And he was still in his room at that point, right? Yeah. It was in his room. Yeah, they were trying to get it. That's why the bad guys like breaking in his room, the militia or whatever.

Blackout has to fight them off. But then the crown is taken by the devil guy or the boy is taken. Right? I forgot what happened to the crown at that point. Oh, because they do the fake out with the bike chase or whatever. Yeah, I think the good guys have the crown, and then the bad guys take, like, the kid and bring him and hold him for ransom. And then there's like a whole, like, dramatic scene where the kid, like, almost gets killed. It's like, you know, there's a shield.

And that was fucking at that scene was so frustrating to me. Because at that point, I was checked out. Yeah, that's not like having a hard time. It was trying so hard to be cool and slow-mo, like so much of the other parts of the movie are. And so it's, you know, to show that the rock, Black Adam is so super, super. fast or whatever you get the slow-mo bullet leaving the chamber it's like traveling towards the kid the rock barely stops it with his hand and then the rock looks and the guy's putting on the crown like he apparently ran up there between the bullet exiting the chamber and hitting like almost

hitting the kid yeah he's like almost he almost has a crown on how fast is that guy like oh yeah he doesn't even have powers yet yeah he didn't have power how did that descendant how did that makes no sense they don't they don't care they don't care about anything oh my god there's just like there's little tiny things and that's the guy becomes like the devil where I'm like okay

if I was if I was doing this you know there would be some cool details about like the accuracy of like slow mo and time travel because there's like there's a part that's played in regular speed of the guy has a machine gun and the rock is just kind of like moving

you know, his hand around slowly and in kind of just like a smooth pattern blocking every bullet. But it's like, that's not, you couldn't possibly do that unless the implication is he knows where he's going to fire the bullets before he fires them. Like, I thought the implication is he's reacting to the bullet. There should be a jittery fast motion of his hand. Yeah, he's so fast. He can react back. Yeah, that's the implication.

But they filmed it wrong. They filmed it wrong. It's like. Yeah, right. It's like Looney Tunes logic. Like, it just doesn't fucking matter. Yeah, like, I was like the X-Men movies. Like, they do like the time distortion shit or like slow motion. It works really well for those movies. Yeah. That stuff's awesome. Right. And this movie, it's like so, right, forgettable. You just don't even make the connection. Yeah. I like when there's attention to detail. And I sound like a crazy person for even considering that there might be such a thing in this film. That's part of the fun of superheroes, though, is like the mechanics of their powers and like the drawbacks or like consequences of it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Make it interesting.

One of the fun parts. I always say this. Whenever people get mad that I'm like criticizing the intricacies of something, like a time travel movie, I'm like, if if I'm a fan of this movie, I would be doing the same thing. Like, I love dissecting and appreciating things like that. I love when there's attention to detail. Like, I do this with all my favorite movies, right? Like, if you're a fan of it, you should also be doing this. Should you not?

Like, why would, I... I don't know. So weird. Yeah. I understand people. Well, I'm glad you guys love the movie. Oh, fucking amazing. I knew this would make for a great discussion.

Yeah. And I guess it did. Any bad superhero movie. What did it do? It changed the paradigm. What was the... What did you say? The hierarchy of the DC...

I feel like paradigm was in one of the other advertising. things too. Yeah, I'm going to look up where that... This changes the hierarchy of DC. The hierarchy of the DCEU, Black Adam. Where is this quote from? Yeah, and I searched Paradigm, Black Adam.

Black Adam Dwayne Johnson teases paradigm shift with intense behind the scenes filter. Oh, paradigm, sure. Oh, so it's like his advertising on Instagram. Oh, here he is, yeah. He posted on Instagram of him Looking like, here I'll just send this to you.

Looks like Gladys. Jesus Christ. Instagram and he's getting real juicy, fucking working out, deadlifting. And he just posted, the hierarchy of power in the DC universe is about to change. Hashtag new era. Hashtag anti-hero training. Hashtag black Adam. There's more too.

There's another one. Yeah, we are redefining this superhero paradigm. Yeah, it's funny we have multiple examples. It's funny we have more than one. The way that he hyped things up, like, I get it. He's a pro wrestler. It's all about hyping things. That's the career of being a hype man for yourself, right?

But it's so funny, because whenever things don't go exactly how he wants, whenever he doesn't have, like, the biggest movie of the year, he always does this weird, like, copium shit. Like, what was it? Oh, yeah, where he's just like, don't listen to critics, man, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What was the Baywatch? Was the one where he was his first, like, unsuccessful movie? He even did it with that, um, ah, he did it with that video game movie with the giant ape and the giant cockrobell.

The fuck. Rampage. Yeah. Yeah, who was, like, tweeting out there. So, yeah, the biggest video game movie ever made. Like, all this kind of goofy. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It does read, like, a really insecure. hype man type thing. Yeah. Every single day I exist on this planet, it gets proven more and more that people who exhibit this large bombastic overconfidence are some of the most

just insecure people on the planet. You know, again, the crying laughing emoji, like fucking Elon Musk was using that recently tweeting about how Trent Rezner's no longer on Twitter. He's like, turns out Trent Rezner is just a cry baby. Ha ha! I'm cry laughing.

I'm not upset that celebrities are leaving my platform. Ha ha, Stephen King, please love me. Like, fuck, dude. What a loser. It's so crazy. It's so embarrassing. He's going to score for a Luca Guadino movie. What a loser.

The richest man in the world. Yeah, like, Trent Resner is in an incredibly successful place in his life. If he doesn't want to use Twitter, okay, that's his decision. Like, could you, the owner of the platform now is, like, calling people out who don't want to use the website. That's crazy. That's yeah as much as I like hate Twitter that's the one thing I'll give it It's like just like just bring out this side of like celebrities just so we can like truly see the facade like just crap yeah Hmm yeah yeah for sure I don't know um so you want to get into ratings for like two out of ten

i was about to say black panther easy too damn holy shit is that low yeah okay yeah it's that's that's fine yeah I think expect that low so that the same as morbis Because, yeah, for me, this is like... I think I gave Morbius a three. That would be my only thing. Oh, man. So, yeah, I thought Morbius was worse, personally. Yeah, Morbius is worse.

This was kind of just exactly what I was expecting, and exactly what I'd imagine a rock-led superhero movie to be. To me, this is like a two-star, two out of five star. Yeah, it's just nothing about it that's interesting. Yeah, the kind of... down Snyder thing with all that slow motion and the kind of dreariness and darkness. But then also it can't commit to that. It has to put in the like Marvel kind of side characters and the quips and the jokes.

And it's just really cheap. Nothing. It seems clawing and embarrassing and just like this cringy hype piece for the rock. I'm kind of glad it's not doing well because I really thought it's difficult to predict. Uh-huh. Sure. But that's exactly what it is. You know, it is like one of these things that's been in the works for years.

like in the pipeline just make it for the rock and yeah so that's just exactly what it feels like it's like why does this even exist yeah

I gotta give it a 10 2 out of 5 10 10 2 out of 5 no it's a 2 out of 5 it's not the worst thing

I've ever seen it's just not as bad as Morbius I mean to me it's not I think it's worse than Morbius they're not even the same fat part of it much was like Morbius is just such a meme

yeah what's weird about this is like okay so So we have Obviously the Rock Has huge star power He's the I believe still the highest paid actor in Hollywood Many of his films are successful

But it's interesting that they would still decide to make this Because the films that he's in that are successful Are generally Not as dreary and darkly toned Right? Because people who want to see the Rock They want to see it for his charisma And his charisma works well in movies where he's charismatic and where he, you know, like, he's in the jungle.

Ha ha, ha. Whoops, I hope this doesn't happen. Silly tone. Bap, bap, bap. You know, like, that's what people have been seeing with him in it consistently forever. And so they're releasing this thing. It's like, when Will Smith did after Earth, it's like, this is the opposite of what people wanted to see you do.

Like, why would you make yourself this dark, depressing, angry character? Like, people want to see fresh prints, you know? Yeah, people want to see red notice. People want to see him. him. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

So, I don't know what they were thinking. Maybe it's more true to the character, but yeah, it just doesn't work. Like, you could have made it work. They could have had the rock as Shazam. That's the thing that. If he cared about being true to the character, like, if he cared about being true to the character, I'm sure they could have actually done something with the framing and not have to make this awkward, like, hype piece for him.

Could you imagine if the rock was Shazam? that movie would have made like 10 times as much money. True. Yeah, maybe they should have done that. Because it would have worked well for it. Like, he could have played the character and the juxtaposition between, you know, his stature and the child would have been exaggerated too and, you know, added an extra level. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it could have been some, some funny humor there. That would have worked. I'm pretty sure it was actually like, I'm pretty sure he, like, he had the choice between playing those two characters. Really? He was asking his fans and they wanted him to play Black Adam. Why? He chose that, because I guess this is quote unquote cooler and edgier and everyone wants to be the like cool villain, I suppose.

Um, that changes the hierarchy and shifts the paradigm. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta just shift the paradigm. But that's the funny thing too. It's like anyone who actually likes these kind of stories in these super hero movies will know that like evil Superman basically is just like, it's like, that's not like a new a fresh idea. Like, come on.

Yeah. That's been played around with for so long now. You're right, Adam? Hmm? Yeah, no, I hit my elbow. I said, ow. Okay. Oh, I thought you were just reacting to the rock.

Yeah, like you were reacting to the movie. Ow, my eyes. Oh, yeah. Not a good movie. That's my quote on the DVD cover. Ow. On the, yeah. On the VHS cover.

I was, yeah, I was really hoping that, you know, they put him in the movie at a certain point, they're just like, put him in cry his sleep. I was like, oh, cool, is it going to like, enter it? If the credits just play it. That was the suicide squad lady. That, it was that lady. Yeah, yeah. So they could, yeah, shove that into the universe too and put like, yeah. I was just thinking about all those channels that, like, take screenshots from these movies with the big red circles and a look who's in the back.

For the thumbnail? The cry of sleep scene. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's just... Oh, I love those. Yeah. There's such memes, those kinds of thumbnails.

I said them as a... Like, you know, to my friends all the time. His messages, like, does he know? But, yeah, Black Adam explained sort of shit. Yeah. All right. I guess that's Black Adam. Yeah, awful.

I just... Yeah. Yeah, I found the Angry Joe tweet of him. This was after I released my review. It was a short review, and I was mentioning that people were rating the film before it was like, even out and all these. And so his claim is that my two out of ten is to compensate the high ratings from fanboys. but I never said that.

I just, I gave it a two out of ten because it was a two out of ten movie. I don't know what it was about that movie. I think I even got an angry Joe comment around that era. Yeah. I was talking about suicide squad because it's man. Damn.

Some about these superhero movies. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's weird to me because like, what was it? Yeah, recently, it was like what? The new Hellraiser movie is a movie that like a lot of people don't like

and I loved. And I just, what did I do? I, like, made a, video about it and I I didn't be like oh this person that like it's so weird and insecure to like no matter what anybody else thinks about the movie that's not gonna like change what it means to me so I don't know why other people like people like this feel like they need everybody else to validate their opinions like that you know yeah it comes across this sort of insecurity yeah like why you just you

can enjoy it and I cannot enjoy it and we can have our own experiences with art, you know. It's crazy. Anyway, that's fine. Whatever. Yeah, it's crazy. Boogie-wogie time. Boogie-woogie. There is a movie called Boogie-Buggy-Wig.

That's not what we're talking about. No, no, no. We're talking about Boogie nights. I don't even know if you guys have seen that. I haven't seen Boogie-Wogie. Have you seen Biggie-Wogie? No, I haven't seen Boogie-Wig. I'm sure it's fine

But we're talking about Boogie Nights from 1997 The year I was born I gotta look at the exact Date Like the movie came out I want to see if it's like around my My birthday I have been saying that a lot this episode

I gotta look up Gotta look up something So this movie's by Paul Thomas Anderson It's about A bunch of porn stars Mark Wahlberg is a porn star named Eddie Adams or Dirk Diggler. Yeah, spoiler discussion.

His name is Dirk Diggler. And it's it's about his like, it's like a rise and fall story done in a sort of satirical slant where, you know, it's obviously about a bunch of people in the porn industry but it is like this rags to riches

and fall again story where you see like, oh, you get the appeal of like by this character or, you know, wanted to be a porn star. And he goes into making porno films. And he wins all kinds of awards and success.

And then, you know, at some point, the movie kind of takes like a really interesting, tonal shift or gets much darker. Yeah. And it also becomes more of a, like a character, an ensemble and less focused on Mark Wahlberg,

particularly, because there's many other interesting characters. and yeah it focuses more on them as the movie goes along which is great I mean there's a lot of great performances in this movie of Philip Seymour Hoffman every movie's in he's great Louise Guzman's really good William H. Macy Heather Graham Johnson Riley Don Cheadle Bert Reynolds you know Julianne Moore yeah it's a great cast yeah of actors they have

you want to add something yes absolutely chocker Yeah, I loved this. Yeah. Even in, actually, I'll get into that in a second, but, yeah, it's just the, because we previously, I think you recommended Punch Drunk Love. Yeah, Paul Thomas Sanderson. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just reminded me of that, the sensitivity and the kind of empathy that his writing brings forward with some of these characters because it would be easy, especially with that satirical slant to take the humanity out of some of them. But despite that comedy and how funny it can be, like, there's real drama in there and a lot of, like, pain and misery kind of watching this fucked up family, basically, form throughout the movie. And that's basically where it concludes is like, the people got gathered around a pool. And you've seen, like, this huge, significant part of their lives. At first, I thought you met the scene at the beginning, toward the beginning with Mark Wahlberg's family, where you see him like, is Bob yelling at him.

Well, yeah, that's kind of the end. And that's kind of the point because it's like, yeah, well, you see where it came from. Yeah. And they'll have this kind of hurt. And they're all like longing and searching for something that they happen to find with this, uh, this group of misfits. Heather Graham's character.

Yeah, she's like harassed in class. And they all find solace in like, yeah, this weird group of people make poro movies under the, the Reynolds character. Did you notice that, um, the guy that was harassing her, in class was the same guy in the limo that she like kicked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That was one of the few little tiny details. Not first. Yeah. I don't know if I needed that tieback personally. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I liked what it brought out the characters in the scene. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was great.

It's definitely up there for PTA. Although he's got a lot of great films. It's a really high bar. That's true. Yeah. That's true, yeah. It's a favorite of mine personally. It's like maybe top two.

I think the only one I haven't seen now is his first one. Was it? Heart eight. Is that what it's called? Oh, yeah, heart eight. I haven't seen that either. Yeah, I neither. There will be blood.

That's my other favorite. Yeah. Yeah, that's my favorite. This is a, this is a film that is very ambitiously big. Yeah. It's not even like conceptually like that big of a story, but just how they present it. And there's such a huge cast, entirely star-studded. A lot of actors in this film where I'm like, holy shit, you're skinny.

Like John C. Riley, his head looks like too big. And I'm like, I can't tell if that's just because I'm used to seeing him bigger, the rest of his body bigger, and his head just stayed the same. I'm like, your head just seems too big for your body. Like, all of these actors is just so scary. It's extremely committed to the period of peace nature over the beginning of the 17th. Right. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, they're all, they all look great. Yeah. And it's a career highlight, I think, for all of them. Yeah. They were all seriously great in the movie. For, yeah. Doc Ock, what's his name? Alfred Molina, yeah.

Alfred Molina. Yeah, I was really surprised when he showed up, and that was, what a fantastic scene. This little scene, that's like, later on. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. It's like a little, you know, and then, like a little aside. It was so great. I love that.

I love that part. Good casting all around. And it doesn't feel bloated also somehow. No, no, no, at all. Despite its runtime. It is a fairly long film. And it juggles it all extremely well. Well, yeah.

It has such an energy to it. Like, even it's just the camera work in the way everything's shot. Yeah, really like, it keeps going. There's a great pace to it. really fast moving. And yeah, like I said, the tonal shifts. Like, it gets very serious. And it's like, it works so well. Like, in some movies it might not work. But yeah, once it gets into like the donut shop scene and like the shit like that, the rapes you in the car, the drug abuse and like, yeah, his fall from grace, him getting abused in the car and yeah, all kinds of shit like

that. It gets really dark. That's great because you don't think it's going to go there. what happens with William H. Macy and his little subplot with his wife, that character. Yeah, I love all that stuff. And yeah, it all just, it comes to a head. And it's like kind of a precursor to something like Magnolia. I don't know if you guys have seen that where it's like a ton of different characters all like... I need to see it again. I was so young when I watched it.

Yeah, I need to watch it too. I think this movie's definitely better. I do think this is better. And I think it handles like all those different characters coming together. and like all their different like subplots converging and whatever just because there is that central character of Mark Wahlberg like tying the whole movie together and his journey of like becoming a star in like you know the porno film sphere which is like just so fascinating in the way the movie presents it and yes like the authenticity in it this idea of um despite its length and despite how much you see and how much kind of growth you see the characters go through. I was reading through some of the trivia and I saw it pointed out that like basically all of the characters are exactly the same at the end as they are at the beginning. But that takes nothing away from the movie at all. It really enforces it.

And you get such a good impression of like what each one of these characters is about and it's yeah sure. shove in so many like themes and ideas and explore these concepts be it 70s drug and disco scene or porno and the technology destroying that industry and just this weird like pocket of time where this one type of product was booming in a certain way so you could have these kind of porno stars on this level yeah and this idea of like um i love a bert reynolds character he's like his motivation is trying to make like a real art film basically out of porn. And we've been asked that a bunch of times, like, on in the questions thread about

like porn and is it possible for it to cross that line into being like a true art film or whatever. And the way it deals with that and explores it. True. They believe it's really animated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, they live in like this environment where it is kind of like. like the Oscars where they're giving each other awards and going to ceremonies. And there's like this ego attached to it that makes them want to like, you know, that's like kind of what happens. Like you say they don't change. I'm like, yeah, that's kind of true. But it is more of like they do go on a journey throughout the film where there's a point where they feel they feel they're almost better than being in like pornos.

So they kind of try to go outside themselves a bit like every character. But then they kind of fail and they all kind of retreat back into the, the solace of like, you know, that industry and being around those same people. And that's like the end of the movie. It's kind of like a better sweet ending. But there is like a dark kind of like interpretation of it that I think is kind of cool and really interesting. Yeah, I don't know.

The soundtrack for this movie is fucking great. Really awesome. Yeah. That keeps up the energy as well, the disco. I loved the soundtrack to this movie. Yeah. My only real criticism of this movie is that I felt like the first half of the movie was kind of like the soundtrack was doing a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of keeping the pacing together. I found that it got a lot more interesting in the second half, like independent of the soundtrack.

And, you know, the soundtrack wasn't used as heavily in the second half. Yeah, the first half of the movie is still great. contrast there. Oh yeah, the contrast made it like definitely worth it. That's what I, that's what I dug about it because you're kind of there with that energy with his rise and then it kind of stops being as preppy and hopeful once the kind of unravels and the truth behind what's going on kind of comes clear. Again, I loved this movie, but I would say that it felt in terms of like a narrative, it felt like kind of borderline meandering for the first half of the movie. And it's a long movie. So the first half is like, a long time. And I was enjoying it because I was enjoying the songs, you know? And I was like, ha ha, just kind of like nodding along and like always, you know, upbeat, just like, oh yeah, I like where this is going with the music.

But I was, you know, kind of itching. I'm like, I'm hoping this goes somewhere a bit more interesting where it's not like as reliant on the heavy soundtrack. And it did. Yeah. It did. Yeah, it does. I think exactly thoughts with that payoff is just so strong.

it makes it work as a whole to me. Yeah, the whole movie. And it's helped that the music complements the visuals too. The movie is really awesome cinematography. And I think the opening for the film is iconic, how it's that long opener shot with the sign. And yeah, that's when it establishes that this is going to be such a fast-paced, fun movie, a lot of style. And it basically maintains that, yeah, with a lot of characters, like going between them. And yeah, the movie maintains that pace throughout basically the entire thing.

It never dragged for me at all. And it's really saying something for a movie so long. Yeah, it's such a great film. Like, it's so entertaining and well-made. Yeah, great music, too, you know, like we were saying. And, yeah, it's a fun period to explore. Like, oh, you can use that music because it's fitting for the period. Paul Thomas Anderson's really good at that, the period pieces.

Like, I love licorice pizza too. and whatever he makes a movie like this and just explores like a period of time. There is a very heavy, like, sense of admiration and nostalgia for the time periods in his film. Yeah, he's good at it. Uh-huh. And it ties into the characters and how, you know, it informs them and how they act. Yeah, it's interesting. He was born in 1970.

So it's kind of like, you know, me being born in the 90s and being nostalgic for the 90s, right? Yeah. still a kid, but you still like kind of have this, you know, rose-colored glasses sort of thing for that time period. Yeah, romanticize kind of, yeah. Maybe because you were a kid, maybe because, you know, life didn't really hit you yet. You're just kind of no responsibility. That's part of what's so good about it, though, is that it doesn't, like, fully romanticize

the satire angle, like, these characters there are, like, pained, and there's a lot of, like, exploitation and, like, filth that comes about as a result of this. Yeah. It almost, like, I'm wondering, maybe I'm like trying to think too hard into like the meaning of him creating this film. Because at times, at times in the first half of the film, it really feels like, oh, wow, this is kind of like almost like sexually liberating in a way because of how casually these characters are treating sex. And, you know, it's like kind of like an honest reflection of the industry where to these people it's just like, oh yeah, sex, whatever. It's like it's not like a big deal in their lives. And second half of the movie kind of comes in, it's like, it's almost feeling like,

like, almost like a weird kind of like PSA of like, don't do porn, you know, like, sort of thing. It's almost like a moral lesson there. And I was like, like, maybe, maybe it's neither. Maybe it's, he's just telling a story and it's, there is no, like, prescription, right? It definitely does deal with the idea of sort of like commodifying sex and kind of turning it into a product. And kind of, there are some kind of creepy scenes where they are like really. like just plainly describing what perhaps should be kind of like an intimate or personal moment, but there's like a crew of people there and it's just like a weird kind of environment.

And especially when it gets more into like the Julianne Moore character kind of being this motherly figure to a bunch of them because they clearly lacked that in their lives in a certain way. Some of the characters under them like the role of like girl. and there is something disturbing about it and how it uses sex like that, including with the, uh, William H. Macy, um, and his wife and where that goes. Like, it, it shows like the whole gambit of how it can affect someone and it, you know, it destroys some, some people's lives more than others. Oh, yeah. I love that shit with him. If I were ever a casting director or agent in the late 90s and I was, proposed with the task of casting a cuck, I would also pick William H. Macy.

He plays it very well. Do you think he gets off from being cast as like a cuck? He loves it. Great casting. Yeah. Yeah, amazing casting. Really well done. Philip Seymour Hoffman, fucking incredible character acting.

Yep, I loved him in the movie. It pretty much goes without saying. I'm gleeful whenever he shows up in anything. Yeah. We got to talk about Mark Wahlberg more because... Yes, please. For me, that was the big sticking point for me, like, reading about, like, he leads this movie because I don't know about you guys, but I just, I'm not a fan of Mark Wahlberg.

Not really. Not really. What? I really, I almost see him as like a rock type actor where I can't not see Mark Wahlberg. With, like, less charisma. Yeah, less charisma. Let alone like the stuff from his private life and just what he seems to be like as a person and on top of that like the You read any of the weird stuff about him like talking about this movie in retrospect and stuff?

Please. I'll mention that in a second, but even despite all that and how I feel about him it works in the movie. He sells the movie Yeah, he's good in it. Maybe it's the one thing that like not to spoil my score that would make it perfect for me is perhaps if if he was replaced with a DiCaprio or uh Joaquin Phoenix who I think were the front runners for it I feel like that for me maybe would have edged it

because I just feel like they could sell certain scenes just a tad bit extra for me. Um, especially now in retrospect with just what I see when I see Mark Wahlberg. But yeah, for the most part, he actually really does does a good job. He's well cast. I'll give him, yes. I'll give the project that he fits the role well and he's got that. Yeah.

He is kind of playing like a dumbass. Exactly. Yeah, ignorant. Ignorant. It works because his character is supposed to be kind of pathetic. Yeah. That's like why it works. Yeah, insecure.

So, yeah. There's scenes throughout this film where the way that he delivers lines, it honestly reminds me of some parts of the happening. But it's not, in the happening, it's shit. But in this movie, it works because his character. so pathetic and it did you know this film is kind of satirical and kind of like tongue in cheek and you know there there can be elements to it that where you're kind of laughing at the character um and it's you know it feels intentional in a way even if even if even if it might be

not necessarily intentional from mark walberg we don't know but it feels intentional in the greater context of the film at the very least yeah that's the thing like do you think he just he was into the role because he was cast as this guy with a like freakishly huge dick like is that how simple it is like yeah because i thought he was more like one of those like rock type things where he'd pick his roles a bit more carefully based on how it makes him look but uh maybe he just wanted to work with the director i mean you don't know yeah yeah he wasn't the name he was now uh paul thomas sanderson i mean exactly yeah which was what was interesting about um this this article i found um on indy wire um um

Yeah, let me find the bit. Yeah, so Mark Wahlberg dropped a bombshell last month during an appearance at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago, speaking with Cardinal Blase Coupich. Walberg mentioned that he somewhat regretted starring in PTA's Boogie Knights, saying his role as Dirk Dicler was at the top of his list of poor career choices. What the fuck is his thought's went viral in no time, but the actor is here to clear the air somewhat,

speaking to people on the daddy's home to red carpet. Walberg clarified his comments and explained why he said what he did. I was sitting in front of a couple of thousand kids talking about and trying to encourage them to come back to their faith. And I was just saying that I just hope he has a sense of humor because I maybe made some decisions that may not be okay with him. Warburg said, him, I guess, meaning God. In Woolberg's original comment, the actor said,

I just always hope that God is a movie fan and always forgiving because I've made some poor choices in my past. is up there at the top of this list. The actor says having a family has changed his perspective on the type of movie and roles he accepts. Warburg doesn't necessarily regret starring a Boogie Knights, which is often cited as his dramatic breakthrough, but he probably would never take a role like Dirk Diggler, now that he's a father. I don't want to compromise my artistic integrity or choices based on my faithful family, but I also have other things to consider being a little bit older and a little wiser, the idea of having to explain that that movie and

the reason behind it to my kids is another issue. Warburg told people. Crazy. But you probably wouldn't have much of an acting career. Is that considered? Like, this was like a pretty significant breakout role for him. I don't know if he realizes that. It's an awesome movie.

It's a great fucking movie. I mean, what's he talking about? Yeah. Love this fucking movie. It's not. The whole point about like not being able to explain it to your kids is like, Do you not understand what the movie is about? Like what it's saying?

Like, what do you mean? You're like an actor, right? No, he's just, he's just, like, porno, and then you see my dick at the end. That's all he, like, sees in the movie. I guess, like, Transformers is easy to explain to a child, but something complex is full of, like, thematic depth. Even though this movie's, yeah, like, much better. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

And, yeah, like, he clears the point. It's a great fucking movie. Like, it was incredibly well received. I don't think he's going to have a problem explaining it. Yeah, I love this fucking movie. Yeah, that's the thing. And the difference was, I was reading about, like, Bert Reynolds, like, he was clashing with PTA throughout the whole process.

Yeah, that's right. But, I don't know, it doesn't take anything away from the movie. It kind of weirdly works for that character. And it doesn't ruin his performance. You would never really know that, like, watching it, you know? Yeah. I'd also like to point out, because you were mentioning, you know, Did he just get cast for being a guy with a freakishly large penis?

The penis was a prosthetic. Just wanted to point there. Yeah, of course. I meant, like, when he's reading the script, like, oh, this is good. It's like fluffing me up. It's like, excuse the part. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Well, all the women want to fuck him. Yeah. He's like got a woman in his bed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he bangs roller girl later. You're in that movie where you played the guy with the huge dick, right? That's funny. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The movie doesn't shy away from any of that stuff, which is another great thing about. it's like got a ton of it's like pretty explicit which is great you know it's about poro you don't want to shine away but you know it's not like showgirls it's not like

that bad it's explicit and like weirdly mature despite the comedic tone yeah exactly it's not like show girls where that feels exploitive yeah exactly this is like perfect balance yeah show girls felt a bit exploitative and then films like I don't know like American

pie where it's just like okay well well like the sex is just treated like so childish Whereas this is still comedic and still mature, which is a tough thing to balance. Yeah. It plays it for last, but it's not childish about it. Yeah. At the same time.

Yeah. I don't know about you guys, but I kept thinking about almost famous. And this was almost like what I wanted from that movie, where I feel like a lot of the depth was kind of like... Similar soundtrack. Skipped over almost in that movie, and it wasn't... Yeah, yeah. And it's the same setting. the 70s and everything.

Yeah, I don't know what it was particularly about that, but I just found a lot more depth and a lot more kind of satisfaction. Yeah. This kind of exploit, because it is exploring similar themes with the fame aspect and the sex and especially like the abuse of certain people. Yeah. I'm just saying I love both almost famous and Boogie Nights. I do think Boogie Nights is better just because it's like probably one of my favorite

movies like probably top 10 just because yeah it's it's got so much energy to it it's so entertaining and yeah I love like the edge of it like I love that period and like how it explores it yeah um what else is there to say about it um aside from what we've said um Paul Thomas Anderson was like 26 when he made this yeah that's crazy crazy I got a make a movie like this soon. Gotta catch up. Yeah. It's turned 24.

It's so ambitious. Yeah. It's a huge, like, yeah, the amount of... It's a cool movie. Characters in the script and then characters in each scene while they're still doing like a bunch of oneers and just working with so much, so much talent and just... Balancing the tones. Yeah, there's so much like faith behind the movie.

It was somehow made for $15 million. Which... Yeah. I'm surprised you look at I don't know what's a good example let's look up some David O. Russell budgets let's see

because he really it really feels like this is the movie that David O. Russell tries to make a lot of the times you know true yeah yeah exactly except this movie's hard as good

if we look up the budget of like Amsterdam or American hustle like how much did those cost 80 million for Amsterdam damn. Right. 40 million for American hustle. American hustle prop, like, I don't know, with inflation might not be that far off from, you know, I don't know.

But still, like a $15 million budget for this. It is wacky as a second movie. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, following hard eight, which, I mean, like people like, it seems, but I don't know if it's, like quite the success that, you know, a magnolia or a Punch Drunk Love or especially, there will be blood. That kind of covered, you know. Yeah. The way he speaks about heart aid, I don't think he's in love with it.

But I'm sure it's a fine movie. Yeah. This is definitely better. This is definitely when he liked, right? He definitely honed into skill here. Yeah, this is a great, like, second movie. In fact, it's his second movie and he made it so young. Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah. It's really impressive. Unsurprisingly, there's two motion picture soundtracks for this movie. Boogie nights music from the original motion picture and then Boogie nights two more music from the original motion picture Oh okay

Yeah Oh really? Yeah so just more It's not even like the score Is like literally just two albums Worth of music And I'm sure they didn't include every trip Yeah

felt like they were like six albums worth of music In the first half of the movie It was just song after song Yeah they do that sometimes They don't include stuff Yeah yeah that's exactly what it felt like Yeah it was It was like a lengthy music video in a way.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. He directs a lot of music videos, doesn't he? Yeah, it does. It does a lot of stuff for, like, Radiohead and them. And they do, like, his scores, Johnny Greenwood. Oh, yeah. That's who is Johnny Greenwood. Yeah.

And he did music videos, I think, for, is her name Alana Hine, or Hymah, Alana. The girl who's in Liquor's Pizza, the main girl, because she's, like, a singer. Oh, okay. Yeah, he did music videos for her too, and she's obviously in La Cush Pizza. She's good in it. Okay, not sure what else to say about La Boogie Nights. People wanted us to talk about it. They wanted me to recommend it because you hadn't seen this film, and now I have.

And it seems like you enjoyed it, like you really enjoyed it, which is good. I'm glad it'll get high ratings. I'm glad it's not like a, oh, it's like not so good. didn't enjoy it I didn't enjoy it. I think we all enjoyed the movie.

Yeah, this is a hall of favor. I love this movie. It's top 10, I think. Like I said,

top 20 around there. It weirdly made me want to rewatch inherent vice being another film from him set in the 70s

with a similar runtime. But to be honest, I don't think I even like, managed to finish it the first time, like when it

came out. There was something about it that really bugged me. I struggle to get through that one again. Yeah. I've tried doing it again, but yeah, at some point it's just kind of not awesome. Something about that, yeah.

This made me very curious, though. Right. He kind of perfected it already with this. Yeah, like the Big Lebowski, what we just talked about. Those movies do it a bit better. I see what he was going for. I don't hate the movie. It's, you know, it's not like fucking disaster movie or whatever, like a Jason

Freepard-Seltzer movies. Yeah, I'm like, It did really work for me. Like, a swing and a miss. It's funny you mentioned the Bigelbowski, because there's that scene that is about the porn industry. And they're talking about some of this stuff that's covered in the movie, yeah, with the, like, the move to home video and how they're, like, murdered the original kind of porn scene. It's, like, go to a theater and watch it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Just an interesting little crossover. Mm-hmm. I'm giving this one a nine out of ten. 10, it could go up to a 10 at some point in the future. Love the movie. Very narratively satisfying. I loved where it went. The second half, I find to be a lot better than the first half. Yeah, great movie. Very satisfying. I'm pretty much there with you the same rating.

Four and a half star, nine out of ten. Yeah, I think I would probably bump it up if just not for that little marky mark problem I personally have. But otherwise, yeah, it's just very sophisticated writing and extremely ambitious. And the fact it doesn't kind of inherit vice itself is pretty stunning to watch. Yeah, I love the journey how unpredictable it was some of the like tension towards the end especially. Like that donut scene, like the Alfred Molina scene like that was I was not expecting that from this movie. So it's like an extra kind of. Yeah, super well-dicated. You're not expecting it at all.

That's what makes it so great. No, and it really works. Yeah, I love the turn. I love the drama, too. Like some really heartbreaking scenes, like Julian Moore with the lawyers and stuff. And there's just a lot of, like, pain with these characters. They do communicate well. And the satire angle, too.

It's just everything I basically love from in filmmaking. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I love this film as well. I can't say, it's anything bad about it. So I'm going to give it a 10 out of 10 or 5 out of 5. Perfect score. Yeah, I love this movie.

Fireworks shooting off. Wow. All right, and that's that. That is La Buggy Nights, starring Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. So before we get into questions, I'm just going to do something fun here. I'm posting a link in the chat of a website

where you can find out what the number one movie on your birthday, like literal birthday Oh cool Is Okay It's like a book of this The day you were born

Um So I already know mine Uh It's like a Stephen Sagal movie Let's see Uh That's mine Where do I find it

Find number one movie Where is it Does this fucking website not work anymore? It works for me It's working for me Yeah One is speed two Speed two

Cruise control. Yeah. Awesome summer movie. Speed 2, cruise control. Oh, mine's naked gun, 33 and a third, the final insult. What? It's pretty good. Oh, yeah, that was the movie.

Sorry. I almost couldn't. When you said it, I almost thought you were talking about naked lunch for some reason. I was like, naked lunch 33 and a third? No, no, it was number one. But yeah, then I remember the... Naked lunch. Oh, yeah, out for justice.

Stephen Seagal out for justice. Oh, wow. Wow. That's funny. What three interesting movies. I haven't seen. So have we all? So Alex, you saw yours.

And then Ralph, you saw you. I'm assuming you've seen speak to you. Yeah, I've seen speak to. Wow. And the only one who hasn't seen the number one movie on my birthday. No, no. I've only seen the original Naked Gun. I haven't seen 33 and a third the final one.

Oh, you haven't. No. Maybe we've got to check that one out, you know. Yeah. Good wreck. I guess question time. Okay, let's do some questions from the Sardonicars community. Head it over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit if you want to ask us anything.

We might as well start with this one from Reader Sleep 8461, seeing as we did just talk about Boogie Nights and it's one of the themes of the movie. Or questions asked in the movie. Hey there, Sardz. In Boogie Nights, Jack, the director at one point states that he wants to make porn that also doubles as a compelling movie. that people want to watch. Do you think this is possible? Why, why not?

Much love and thanks. I feel like we have talked about this like a long time ago, but it's an apt question of what we're talking about. I mean, I like short bus. So, to me, yes. Right?

Yeah. Is that porno? That's the thing. What do you mean? Does it even count as like... Where's the line then? You wouldn't call it a porno. Yeah, that's the thing.

The question is about the line. Well, what makes that line? something porn. Like it's unsimulated sex between people on camera, right? And they're doing that. So like, if you cut out everything but the money shot scenes, then it would be a porn, right? There's at least porn within the movie. And most of the movie isn't porn, I guess.

I guess the difference is the porn is for the purpose of like sexual arousal, whereas like a movie, that might be. something it's trying to attempt within the movie, but it's also like perhaps trying to do a narrative or establish, I mean, I don't know if, like, whether intentional or inadvertently, you're going to sexually arouse some people by having sexually explicit imagery in a film, right? Like, there's, there, there's tons of, uh, things included in non-pornographic movies that are explicitly intended to induce sexual arousal, like Michael Bay, the fucking Megan Fox washing her car shit. I'm Like, there's no purpose of that other than for people to get up owner.

Like, that's the whole point. It's pornographic, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. Like, it's a... The context of it being in like a transform is like weird. I think that for the character in Boogie Nights, like, sure, that sounds like an interesting, ambitious thing to do, but what we see him do in the film is not really that.

Like, he's just kind of full of himself and doesn't know what he's doing. just making a porn. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's something about it because it's so, God, what's that movie that has the real, like, blowjob in it that's like really... Brown Bunny? Yeah. Yeah, Brown Bunny. Whereas it feels like if it is like baked into the movie, like, like real sex is baked into the movie, it almost like overpowers anything else it's trying to go for and it just becomes, oh, that movie that had that blow job in and ruined her. dropping it. Yeah.

Fucking, yeah, Lars von Treir has done it. Or I guess sometimes he'll use like porn stunt doubles for parts in movies. He did that in Antichrist, and I think, I believe they used doubles in the idiots, but there was like an orgy scene in that where it was like unsimulated sex. Hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting question, but like, yeah, it just seems like a guttural type. People just reject. that certain line. I mean, I don't know, there's tons of like,

it depends, yeah, I don't, it depends on how you define it, right? Because there's some, a lot of, you know,

people that make, let's say, animated porn. There's a lot of people that do, like, story-based, like,

choose your own adventure games. And some of these people make like really they do kind of like focus a lot of story they'll be like oh there's porn in the game and you can get to it through certain options but like this character is going to die of cancer like you're going to feel sad about it so it's like I don't do like is that porn yes is it a narrative

yes right so like where I don't know it just depends on how we define it I guess Yeah, I guess it comes back to that cool problem of like having to define art, which is hard to kind of define. But then when it comes to something like this, it just seems like there is a firm line in the sand where certain people won't touch it. Certain producers will not fund your works. Like if you're trying to include some of these things and you will have a harder time including like real sex and whatnot, and people will look down at it at a certain way or not see it the same as something that treats sex differently. it's an interesting question but it's not like I'm lying awake and I'm like man

that there's a space here for a the porno the perfect porno that has the ultimate balance of real sex and a story to get involved in like what the character in the moon is talking about that doesn't keep you up in there yeah just too many people have like these weird reservations around like nudity and sexuality that you know

that's the thing that No, because to be honest, it's such a, like, core human thing that it almost seems weird that we do feel so strongly about that. Yeah, it's entirely just taboo social shit, you know? It might as well not be. Like, depending, it differs throughout cultures, too, you know. There's some cultures where it's like extreme taboo no-no, and there's some cultures where it's like, okay, this is just kind of matter-of-facts, you know, people are comfortable with sex sort of thing, you know? So, yeah. Yeah, it's just how you're raised and the ideas that you're sort of expected to have to fit in with a society, I guess. Mm-hmm. You know, there's... Yeah, and when you're just mixing in, like, advertising and large sums of money, like, anything remotely risky is going to be kind of frowned upon or nose-turning away at. So you can kind of see why we're in this kind of state.

But that's not to say there aren't plenty of films out there that do kind of over. explore sex in a more kind of honest way or whatever you want to put it like a short bus or whatever mm-hmm yeah but I doubt we're gonna see like a real sex scene and like an Avengers movie no no no no no I'd think so weird and black Adam too yeah yeah that's funny I think about that yeah oh my God all right it would be interesting like Why the fuck not, you know? I'd love to see something like that. I'm like really just like, I am in so much of a point in my life of just like stopping giving a shit about so many things. And sex is this one thing where I just see like, man, people are really fucking like clutching their pearls over just like nothing a lot of this shit, you know? People are just weaponize it for no reason. And it's just like, okay. Like we're human beings. Calm down. Grow up. a bit you're not for you know that's how I feel it so I'm just like yeah I would like to see something like that why not yeah I think I'm with you yeah there's

enough weirdos out there who would like that yeah those 50 shades movies did well yeah yeah so would you like class those is they're like they basically are soft yeah exactly right right they kind of are but they're not respected you know they're not like Oscar winning or you know no one's like pointing at those is like yeah those are No one's coming out of the woodwork to defend them on like a narrative. Yeah, but they're competent. They have more money behind them. There's more money in them than like an average, like,

porno that you'd see. Well, here's the thing. It's like, I would like to see a film, you know, you could say short bus is one of these, but like, you know, a film that just treats sex in the same way that, you know, people treat other things that human beings do, like, I don't know, eating or, you know, like, just like, why not show it sort of thing. it's these characters are experiencing it at this point in their lives. You know, we already, we already do that in ways where it's simulated.

I think it would be interesting for a movie to do it unsimulated, and that would be like the only big difference. It would be, you know, tough to get people involved on that, obviously, but I think it would be interesting from like an artistic standpoint. Something like 50 Shades, it just seems like a movie that's dishonestly parading as a film when really it is just explicitly to induce sexual arousal. and people you know like the soft core porn thing it's just like okay you're a porn pretending to be a movie that I'm not as interested in um yeah whereas like if it's just like oh this this is what these characters are doing then why not like if we're showing you're doing other things is it just

that porno movies are like associated with being just bad just like having bad writing and whatever i don't know i yeah yeah i can only assume as such but i don't like all the porn i watch is like not like porno movies it's just like artists artists drawing things so i just i have no idea what that world is like it just has to imagine yeah yeah there is something hypocritical about how we're like we're we're more than cool with like violence oh yeah watching people's like heads exploding guts and gore and all that all the all the intricacies that come with violence but as soon as things start getting a bit sexual yeah we get a bit funny about it Yeah, it's weird.

Don't be prudes. All right. Is there any more on that topic? No, I think we can move on to this one from Anxious Futz. Hi, Ralph, Adam, and Alex. I was wondering if you've ever experienced something similar, where a few months or a year after you watch a series or movie, unless it had a profound impact on you, you forget a lot about it.

Sorry, if this is dumb, I'm just hoping that it isn't me as all. Can you read that again? I'm not sure what the question was. he's asking like what does it take I guess especially with how much just stuff we watch like how much do we actually remember

from that experience because I don't know about you guys but it has to be profoundly good or bad for me to remember a lot of details at a certain point I don't know what like that. Yeah I mean I try to I try to avoid disposable movies

that are not going to leave an impact on me but you know I do wind up seeing them occasionally yeah you can't help it. Yeah, because you're kind of just have to see what it's like sometimes. Yeah. But yeah, those

don't leave an impact and then great movies or fantastically bad movies do leave an impact. It's not really too complicated, I don't think. Yeah. And even then, like, there's a reason we'll re-watch a movie

where, uh, where even ones we're familiar with for like an episode of the show. Yeah. Whatever, because your memory is fallible. Yeah. And you needed to, you know, you need to revisit it to,

I guess, either try to confirm whether or not your impressions of the film are still valid to the current day you, or because you're,

you have the film memorized, but you just want to experience again because you love experiencing it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I have pretty good memory with films, especially if I'm really into it. If it's like really bad or really good, if I'm really into it, then I will remember it.

Yeah. Like what you're saying, Alex. And yeah, like, if it's really good, I watch it multiple times, I will just remember it at a certain point. And yeah, we'll just enjoy experiencing it again or maybe watching it with other people, seeing them experience it because that's always fun. Yep, yep. Yeah, so don't worry, anxious, fuchs. It's not just you. Memories, especially if it's not something you really cared about that much.

You can barely remember what was even happening two months ago, let alone like a movie I saw two years ago, you know. Yep. All right, next question. Okay. Histo 12 has this to say. Hey, lads, any stories of funny slash interesting experience with psychedelics and movie watching or just on their own?

Um Um No I've never done those I've never done Psychicat Well I mean We'd can be

Like a mild You know I think they mean like LSD and like Acid I kind of shit I did like So once in

Was it It was a college Yeah It was senior in college And like There's some guy My internship He's like I get you anything

I like Can you get me Mushrooms He's like Yeah He got me mushrooms and I was going to watch the Lion King and watch it on mushrooms.

I don't think I had enough though because I was kind of scared so I like kind of nibbled at it a little bit and I threw the rest of it out because I was scared but I don't think it worked really I remember just being frustrated because I was trying to watch it on my projector and then like all my roommates are like

yeah Ralph we'll join you and we'll watch it together and I'm like okay but I'm on mushrooms just so you guys know I told them so they came in and they're like Ralph we don't like your projector we want to watch in, you know, the other room, my roommate's room, because it's, like, separated. Like, we all live in, like, a sixth room. We all have our own suite, but it's like a six room kind of room or whatever.

So, like, we want to watch in the other guy's suite. I'm like, well, fuck you. I have to move over and go to the other suite. So we had to bring all my shit over, and I was just so frustrated. And, you know, I might have been high, but I didn't know if it kicked in or not. So it was a very frustrating experience. Lion King was good though. That was my experience watching Lion King, basically.

Yeah. And I've never done a psychedelic again. That's my only experience of psychedelics my entire life. So if you're going to do psychedelics, whether it be mushrooms or LSD, you want to do it in a comfortable, positive environment with people that you know and that you trust. It's better not to do it alone. Yeah. That's why my friends came in. Yeah, just having other people there and like reassurances.

But then I had to move. I had to move to the other room because he had a TV. And so, yeah, there will sometimes be like, so I went through a period of my life where like I was doing psychedelics, but all of my drug use was like mostly just by myself because I was like kind of depressed and stuff. And I didn't have really a lot of great experiences with that. it just wound up turning into like a lot of, you know, exemplifying like self-hate and insecurity and sort of like putting a, you know, turning that up to 11, which is, you know, probably not great.

But now I'm at a different point in my life. I'm, you know, a lot happier and healthier. And I have a boyfriend that I trust and that I love. And so I'm doing, you know, I'm kind of returning to that world of occasionally doing psychedelics and, um, So, you know, having taken, you know, a large break from these things, sometimes I'll, you know, get an idea of just like, oh, yeah, like, this would be like a really trippy thing to watch. And so, you know, we were starting out as on the come up of, like, an LSD trip with some people. And I put on Apollo 10 and a half a space age childhood just because of the rotoscoping and it was new, the Richard Linklater. Oh, that one? And I was like, oh yeah, it was such good vibes. But then like, I don't know, like 20 minutes through the, 20 minutes through the movie, there's like, I don't remember exactly, but like someone gets a phone call and it's about something like dark and serious.

And they like start crying. And I was like, we had to like change it to something else because like you don't want to feel those emotions when you're on psychedelics because it feels like you're too open to them. And it influences directly how you're feeling. Yeah, exactly. And so you don't want to be in that dark place. They're really intense. That's why I want those afraid to have them. Yeah, we wound up putting on gumball, and it was fucking awesome.

If you ever need a comfort piece of media to put on, if you're doing psychedelics and you just want to be in a good headspace, the amazing world of gumball is fucking awesome. Not a climax? Climax is a good one. one other suggestion there's a artist that I listen to that I've been listening to for a while called Wolfpec V-U-L-F-E-C-K

and they're a modern but like intentionally nostalgic kind of like 70s sounding band and they did a live concert and they filmed the whole thing on like an iPhone it's like an hour or 40 minutes and it's it's on YouTube for free it's called

Wolfpack Live at Madison Square Garden if you're ever doing psychedelics and you're coming up or you know into it or whatever whatever stage of it you're in put on that video it is the most like positive vibes and just especially if you like the music it is just like one of the

best uh just you know it feels like meaningful and and uh it's yeah it's one of the best like things you could ever possibly put on for a trip is that concert and they're just so talented and oh yeah it was such such great energy and vibes yeah that made that that that was a really good idea that i that i put that on i'm glad i did but i would yeah movies yeah i don't know um um um yeah if we're talking about movies

and not excluding weed which i feel like Especially like edibles. I've had like, what feel like psychedelic experiences on those things. Oh, yeah. The first times I was fucking with them. I was like with some friends and we put on the fucking,

we put on the hitman's bodyguard, right? Oh, no. Awful piece of shit film. And like, I swear to God, you know, and get out where he's like on the chair and he like goes to the other place

and it's like sucked into like the void. I have exactly. experience yeah I was like freaking out it's like what's yeah I've been like laced right now like like it's what the fuck is good I've never experienced this kind of stuff I don't know if it was like just too much or if it was edible can do that yeah it was a crazy experience um so that was like it was like a certain seat for people who've seen it there's this like awful like seeing it just doesn't end you know like sometimes when you're like oh weed or whatever it can make stuff feel like it's going on and on anyway there's like it's like a lot of weed or whatever it can make stuff feel like it's going on and on

anyway. There's a scene where like Sam Jackson's in the car of Ryan Reynolds like singing, like purposefully singing bad on purpose as like a gag, but it like sent me, it sent me to hell, that movie. I'll never forget that. And I guess a more positive one would be like, I, yeah, I think we had some of gaddables and put on a fantastic planet. I just like showed it to some people and it really scared them. Yeah. I'm not like genuinely scared. Just kind of freak them out

because it's such a weird movie. But that was a fun-ass experience. That's a good movie. To watch in that kind of state. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. And the full, what I mentioned earlier for people who were trying to find it and can't,

the full title of Gumball is, I think, the amazing world of Gumball. It should be on HBO Max. It's Cartoon Network stuff. Just in case you were already in the middle of an acid trip trying to find something just called gumball

while you're listening to them yeah if you're in the middle of an acid trip what's in the sarnatcast you can sure there's one or two out there yeah oh yeah statistically there's definitely yeah no doubt yeah that's what I would do if I was tripping out that'd be my comfort food

I would go on one of those like you know a journeys into the jungle or whatever like South America go like a one of those like an ayahuasca fucking spirit yeah

they give you oh god those don't seem like the drums and stuff no yeah like it's like a guided it's like a guided

journey oh yeah I'll send you some videos there's some of these things where they just like fucking start vomiting and just like you're supposed to feel like

oh yeah there's like depending on like well yeah I guess it depends who you are oh my god it depends

it's not just who you are like some of these substances like that's a part of it Has to be trusted, yeah They're like, yeah, they're more of like a spiritual journey I was just I just saw it I'm like oh that looks interesting

I don't know I'm not sure what like the composition of I Wasker is Is that like a plan? Yeah, I'm not sure either I'm sure I'm sure tripping outside Can have its benefits I like the comfort and safety of Being indoors with just positive vibes

And people I trust Yeah, you just see people around you That's like the appealing part of the guided like meditation or whatever that is. You have people around you. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Feel cozy. Okay.

All right. We can do one more. What next? What are next? Okay, then we can end on this one. From Rocket Salesman. I just read that Kevin Comroy, longtime voice of Batman in the Arkham Games,

the animated series and several movies, has passed away. The loss hit me especially hard since I grew up hearing his voice. in my head reading comics and stories. And light of the tragic news, I wanted to ask, what are some of your favorite iconic actors who have now passed away that you'll never get to see perform again? What made them so iconic?

Love the podcast and rest in peace, Kevin Conroy. So yeah. It was sad for me. I grew up on that animated series with his voice. He'll always be the true voice of that character in my head to me, Mask of the Fantasm and all these great stories.

Yeah. I'm very attached to that voice. and yeah rest in peace man I never seen the animated series but I just watched Mask of the Fantasem on Halloween and I thought it was great I really enjoyed it yeah it's really really good isn't it?

Yeah it was I thought it was awesome yeah super good stuff yeah he's great in it yeah he is the voice of Batman that's like in so many interpretations even the video games yeah the Arkham games yeah you know

so yeah he'll definitely be missed I mean he is Batman he is the voice of Batman yeah he'll always be mine, probably. Yeah. Just like Mark Hamill's the Joker. Yeah.

As far as like iconic actors, otherwise, I guess like Seymour Hoffman. Yeah, I don't have enough of a, like, personal association with the Kevin Conroy stuff. Because I, you know, although I did watch the animated series when I was younger, like, I just, I was so young that I couldn't even remember what the voice sounded like. Because I haven't kept up with, you know, a lot of the animated Batman stuff since then. But what was, I guess, what was the question? It's just like the... Yeah, yeah, what are some of your favorite iconic actors who have now passed away that you'll never get to see perform again?

I've said this before, but there is a hole that was left when Brittany Murphy died. She was so great at playing that type of character. and no one's no one's exactly fulfilled that you know I liked seeing her in movies do you have anyone rough

for on the topic of Batman I'd say Heath Ledger I think I think we've answered this before yeah Heath Ledger's big one yeah that's a good thing yeah and the Lincoln Park guy Jester Bennington I think those two hit me hard

yeah yeah I guess that's it though yeah yeah yeah awesome we did it skudush I think it's my turn to recommend a movie yeah

is yours or mine do I come off to roof oh no I think it's Alex it's mine because weren't you before weren't you before me or was that oh wait no is it yours did I miss

I think it might be mine. Yeah. Because yours was Revenant, wasn't it? Yeah, Revenant, but yeah. And then Big Lebowski. Oh, yeah, sorry. I was looking at the published ones. Oh, man.

Thank you. I was a little bit early. Because we haven't published that one. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, yeah, well, Alex just did the Big Lebowski. Sorry, my bad. No, no, no. Yeah.

We recorded this one early. I'm going to be busy the next couple weeks. Sorry about that. Okay. So, Alex. So I've got one of those classic ones where this movie I've seen a long time ago, I'm not sure if you guys have, you probably have, 2001. I think we've done another Cameron Crow movie too,

but I want to talk about Vanilla Sky. Okay. I would see that in years. It might be an interesting combo. Oh, fuck, yeah. Very, very strange movie from how I remember it. So are you aware that that's a remake? because I'm 100% going to watch the original if we're going to talk about that.

Oh, there's a, I didn't even know those original. We might as well throw that. Oh, yeah? So it's based off of a, yeah. Yeah, it's based off of a Spanish movie. The original's open your eyes. Oh, awesome, cool. Right, that's what's called open.

I think it's called Open Your Eyes. Yeah. Spanish one. I've seen that one too. The Spanish one's better. Okay. Because I haven't, yeah, I haven't seen either of them. So guaranteed I'm going to watch.

Let's make it a double build then. Oh, yeah. Open Your Eyes, uh, 1997. And then I'll watch. Vanilla Sky 2001. So I haven't seen either of them. Okay, cool. Yeah, I just needed to make sure.

That should be fun. Like, I'm definitely watching the original. I saw that years ago, though, Finale Sky. Yeah, I saw Vanales Sky first for sure, actually. Yeah, I didn't, the camera croak connection, that's great. Yeah, yeah. It's perfect. Yeah.

So that should be interesting. Perfect. Yeah, that should be interesting. So, if you would like to not be spoiled for Open Your Eyes, directed by Alejandro. Amenabar with Penelope Cruz and some other people in it, 1997. And also, if you don't want to be spoiled for Vanilla Sky, 2001 film with Tom Cruise, directed by Cameron Crowe.

And it also has Penelope Cruz in it. That's interesting. Okay. That's right. He's in both movies. Weird, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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