Sardonicast - Sardonicast 128: Avatar: The Way of Water, Open Your Eyes, Vanilla Sky

Episode Date: December 26, 2022

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Three, two, one. Tech support! Hello, I'm Adam from Your Movie Sucks. This is Sardana Caste. I sound a bit, there might be a bit of room echo. I'm in a different place. I'm just kind of setting up, and it might be like this for a couple of episodes

until we're all completely set up and I got some soundproofing stuff in here. How's it going? Hello, who am I here with? Hi. Hi, I'm Ralph the movie maker. Yeah, and I'm not. Alex from Aitche and yeah that was a nice little shout I was kind of hoping you were going to go meow like Tom does so in the that would have been a good one but yeah that one works

mm-hmm you got if if I ever if I ever do the one you wish if I ever miss one that you wish I would have done you can always just do it I was tempted to but then I was thinking about actually having to do the impression of Tom Cruise and vanilla sky and I was I don't know. I had second thoughts. I couldn't let it out. It would just be a lot of screaming. It's a lot of like yelling.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of yelling. Yeah, there is. Speaking of meow, cat people, we all saw the second Avatar film. Avatar, The Way of Water.

The Shape of Water. Yeah, the shape. Nice. Avatar Titanic 2. The second Avatar film. I don't know I say water wrong. Just because, like, I think my accent comes to the... Water?

Water. Yeah, I'm like, water. Water. Way of the water. I'll just say, like, H2O. Okay, yeah. Avatar H2O, yeah. James Cameron loves H2L.

Yeah. There was a Halloween movie called H2O. Yeah. Can I give a brief synopsis of the movie? Sure, yeah. give a brief synops. Yeah, without spoilers. Without spoilers.

So it's a sequel. Yeah, I don't know. To the, yeah, to the epic James Cameron movie Avatar from 13 years ago, 2009, right? Is that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, which was, you know, of course, the most highest grossing movie ever. And this is the follow-up film following Sam Worthington as Jake Sully. And, you know, he's with Zoe Sultana.

and they live in the forest and they have like I don't know if this is supposed I guess they have like a family and yeah they're just like doing their thing and until you know

there's like other threats that come in so they have to um make friends with other tribes including a water tribe which they show the trailer

uh huh and you know you see them in the ocean I mean they show everything in the trailer if you're if you're perceptive enough you can figure out what the plot is even though it would it would kind of be a spoilery thing there were certain things that were like kind of surprising that I thought were cool I would just like to get into spoilers honestly yeah we can get into spoilers now I just wanted to say that I really like the movie a good way to summarize it there was the

if the first movie was about saving the trees this one's about saving the whales it's about saving the ocean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is a good way to summarize it actually because there's a lot of similar like plot beats and stuff which is not like a bad thing you know it is a sequel takes what works about the first one

I think and like improves it in certain ways especially like some of the character development I do like the characters much better in this movie I like that they focus much less on like the white savior kind of shit that I don't really think there's much of that in this film really I mean Jake Sully at this point is just like a Navi

Navi with a gun. I like that. I like certain things they did there. I thought Sam Worthington was actually better in this movie than he was than the first one. Are we in spoilers now? I would like to be, yeah. Yeah, I see. Let's just get into it.

To say, I like the movie. I mean, I bet a lot of people saw it. I think it did really well this weekend, especially overseas, right? Because it has a lot of international appeal. It's just like a big special effects movie. Yeah. So I saw the trailer. and I felt like I was maybe one of the only people on the planet that was like kind of excited for it

because everybody was doing this weird like contrarian like avatar whatever. And yeah, like for an effects movie is most of the reason why I was excited for it. It was just like, oh yeah, I want to see these new technology and like the fucking water looks amazing. Just like the water like particle effects or fluid effects or whatever you call them. And one thing that kind of bugged me about the trailer, I was like, okay, so there's this avatar character and he's got the exact same tattoo as Stephen Lang's character from the first movie. I'm like, they're not bringing him back, are they? Oh, you picked that up? Oh, yeah, because it shows him a few times in the trailer.

Really? Because I didn't. That was a surprise for me. I'm like, oh, that's cool. I didn't pick up on that at all. I thought that was really awesome. It showed him in the trailer and it's like his tattoo is clearly visible. I'm like, is that Stephen Lang avatar? And I was kind of like, you know, like, I'll just reserve my judgment and see how they handle it and see what's going to happen, although I'm not exactly, I'm not exactly happy about this because I would rather just a different story or rather a new villain or just, you know, I don't know why we need to bring him back because it's not like he was one of the good parts about the first movie. Like, you It's not like he's so important to the experience of making an avatar film that you have to have the same villain.

And then just, yeah, the movie took place. Is that like one of the big things that, like, bothered you about the movie? It's one of the things, yeah. Just the plight is the worst. Yeah, because I actually really like that. Yeah, that in and of itself I didn't really have an issue with. In fact, it's kind of what I wanted. Yeah, I wanted to know what you're talking.

was leaning more into like the mechanics of like this weird avatar technology and like how it could be abused by like the military to send people in undercover or whatever they want to do with it and kind of you know match the playing field. And then that whole angle of like yeah, it technically is the avatar of the guy from the first movie, but it is a different character. It's just played by the same person and he's got these like got all his memories implanted and stuff. There's a few, like, scenes of exposition explaining that side of it, which I thought was kind of cool. It's kind of the same with Sigourney Weaver, her character, how she's, like, voicing that. Yeah, she's a... Nicky or whatever, like, one of the daughters of Chase's Lully. Yeah, basically, they reveal that everyone was, like, having a million kids in the space of that first Avatar movie.

Everyone was fucking... Yeah, Sigourney Weena. We know... Yeah, the Freudian slip. Stephen Lang somehow had his son in the last movie or something Yeah Everyone was fucking Because it's like a kid going around who grows up

And that's spider I actually like that character Again like you know You say like the Stephen Lang character is bad I agree like I didn't like him in the first movie In this movie I really liked him I'm like they fleshed out They fleshed out the character so much more to me

They like that character that interactions with like his son I'm like wow I actually like This character now like He feels like so much more fleshed out in like more nuanced than he wasn't the first one where he was just like kind of scenery chewing. Like I like him so much more in this movie. Yeah, I like him. I was more, you're saying you like Spider.

That was one of the sticking points for me was that Spider character. I feel like for such an important role in the story, they just, the chops and the actor needed to be a bit better. Yeah. If it's the dialogue or the actor or mixture of both. Well. But for me, that's a cool idea for a character, like a human. It's like the inverse of the first movie. grows up to be like a Navi or grows up in their society who's basically just a Navi.

Yeah. He like walks around, they'll close on. But you got to have the performance to match that, man. And I don't know if that guy was there. Sure, sure. The child actor sucked. I don't know. How old was the actor?

I don't know. Is it a child? I'm not sure. At some point he was a child. Definitely he was a child at some point. But I think like later on he's like more of an adult, right? Yeah, a teenager. He might be like a teenager.

Yeah, I have no idea. He might be 30 years. old. Might be a Michael Sarah situation. I thought he wasn't. I didn't think he was that bad, but, I mean, we're talking about like,

we're talking about, like, the story and, like, the acting. And, yeah, like, I agree, there's, like, kind of corny parts of the movie. But I think, like, you know, most of the appeal of the movies,

like the CGI and that stuff and the 3D. And I really enjoyed that mostly. Like, I thought, as a spectacle movie, I'm like, oh, this is pretty cool. I, and, yeah, the 48 frames, I guess that makes it look like a video game kind of,

just, That was the thing, no, we have to talk about that more because I didn't realize that was a big thing. Yeah, first I suppose we should each explain like what environment we saw in, because I did see it in 3D in an IMAX. What about you guys? Did you see it with the IMAX and the 3D and everything? I saw it in the only proper IMAX screen in Georgia in high frame rate and everything. So, yeah.

Okay. So we all saw it the same way. Did you as well, Ralph? Yeah, I saw high frame rate three. 3D iMacs and then i saw it again the same way so i saw it we've all we've all seen it then in the arguably intended experience yes okay that's interesting because i went all that was that was like such a big i didn't realize this frame rate thing was going to be implemented into the movie because especially considering the the history of this technology with the hobbit with the Gemini

man yeah how like there was such a pushback against that kind of stuff and i i've been trying to kind of break down and understand the logic and I do get it with like certain uh scenes where there's a lot of motion and like it I guess it does help with the water somewhat in the scenes there's lots of action with movement I think it makes the CG look more realistic somehow like it's like the same thing with video games right like this frame rate makes the graphics better you know I don't know the exact mechanics of it I kept being pulled out the movie because of like there's no consistency to it like changes between shots sometimes so it's

like, oh, there were some shots that were like 40 frames per second and 30 and some that were, like, most of it seemed like 60 at least, right? So I don't know. But yeah, there were some shots that were like, I don't know exactly what the frame rates were, but there were certain shots where it was like, okay, that's a lower frame rate. And it was like one out of every 20 shots. And it was so weird. I don't know exactly how it works. It was very distracting. It pulled me out of the movies so many times.

Yeah. So in a weird way, I almost feel like I haven't seen. seen it properly in like the idea of space. I know because I went out of my way to see it like that. I feel like if I saw it at a solid 24 frames per second, then I wouldn't have been distracted. I enjoyed seeing it that way. Because it is really distracting because like no joke it does look like in some scenes it looks straight up like a video game like a pre-render cutscene. It's like in engine like and the game's about to start like hand me the controller. Let me take take over. Yeah. If it was a consistent high frame rate the entire time, then I

wouldn't have had an issue with it because my my feeling about the high frame rate thing is like it only looks weird because we're not used to it and we're we only see i don't think high frame rate in certain sorry i don't think that's i don't think there was lower frame you're the only person i talked to that doesn't feel that way there's literally okay but there were literally i really like to hear how like the frame rates were because i'm not an expert on it there were it was it was it was dependent on shot it wasn't like oh the projector was you know chugging along or like it wasn't like it it seemed intentional from the film and and it was only those shot it wouldn't bleed into the next shot of like being a lower frame rate it would be like as soon as

the cut happens it would be a different frame rate I thought I was losing my mind and maybe it was just a me thing but I did like look up some articles about it afterwards and I found one on what's CNBC.com where it's apparently like it's an artistic choice. It's this aesthetic that they want to kind of implement on certain movies now, I guess. Yeah, that's how it felt.

Like this quote, was it say, yeah, the result is the Avatar, The Way of Water is the first major film to be released in a high frame rate but adjusted to keep its cinematic look. In the case of the Avatar sequel, the action and underwater sequences will run at a higher frame rate,

allowing the motion to look better and more realistic while dramatic scenes have been adjusted to look like the traditional 24 frames per second standard, the audiences are accustomed to. But it wasn't seen. It was a tool for the director to create the look that he or she wants shot by short, Miller says it's used selectively. Some shots may not need the tool at all.

Yeah, it was so weird. It'd be like, yeah, one out of every like 20 shots in some scenes would just be like a noticeably slower frame rate. And I was like, well, what the fuck? And it was pissing me off because it was just taking me out of the movie. Like, it wasn't like just be a consistent. frame rate. I don't want to be thinking about the frame rate. I want to just get used to it and be in the movie. I want to be in the universe. Well, yeah, because personally, if I had a choice, I would have preferred to see a 24

frame version first and then maybe... Show me solid 60. I didn't realize this was even a thing. Beginning to end. Show me the same frame rate. Whatever. Make it whatever frame rate you want. Just like, don't be changing it like for all these shots. Yeah, I really just didn't notice that at all. So it didn't bother me. I saw it twice that way. I didn't bother me. I thought it looked really good. I thought it's like the best cg i've ever seen really i i can't think of a better looking film in terms of special effects than this i think it's like 99% cg i basically like there's not there's like a couple of human characters you know but it's mostly cg and yeah i think like the 3d and the frame rate's meant to enhance certain shots and certain scenes i don't know i i really didn't notice the frame rate changing i thought

the whole thing was 48 yeah what i don't know i think that's the highest it goes speed the frames were but it was definitely not consistent, which is my big problem with it. The water and stuff, I think it's like a huge improvement from the first one in terms of the CG and that stuff. The water looks incredible. I just thought looks so much better.

The water is the main character of the film, really. I mean, their skin looks real and just stuff like that. And yeah, the underwater sequences are amazing and how they use the 3D. It's like the best 3D movie I've seen. I can't even think of the last movie. Like, I've seen it 3D actually. Probably gravity, maybe.

Yeah, like something. It's been a long time, right? I can do without 3D. I don't feel like that helped me in any way. It was kind of just like we're back to this gimmick thing, you know? No, I thought the 3D helps with the... No, I think, well, we've talked about how the first one used 3D really well. I think he used 3D well in this one, too.

I don't think there's, like, a huge difference. I thought he used it better in this one. Because you can tell, like, certain shots are framed to make it pop as much as possible of how they're... Oh, yeah. well and like there's scenes where like the bullets are flying at the camera it's like oh shit it's cool yeah and like all the underwater stuff is obviously really cool in 3D I feel like I feel like my brain just kind of just gets used to it after the first like 10 minutes and I don't like notice it

you know but it doesn't like add to it I feel like that with most movies but the way he used it in this there were like these set pieces again where like okay they go underwater and there's like these glowing fish that are like tiny and they swim around like oh shit like you know like he makes it pop it's certain points. Like, again, with, we're talking about high frame, right? Like, again, with most of these movies, I agree with you guys. Like, Gem and I'm in, it wasn't even easily available. Like, I couldn't even see it that way. Here, I just happened to, like, see it that way. And because it's, I think a lot of theaters are showing it that way, this movie. And it's just like, okay, I think everything about the movie, like the 3D, the high frame rate, they were

thinking about these things making it and trying to make it work in the movie, trying to make it pop because I you know it does make I think it does enhance certain scenes I think it looks really cool and maybe the whole movie even I just wasn't even thinking about it because you know there's so much CGI is so much of that in this film again the biggest problem I had with this movie is some of the writing yes it's just it's a for me it's like the first one just more improved more modernized you know because we have modernized effects now I wonder how the first one would look in a high frame rate, I wonder if it would look better, because I think that's what they did, like that re-release they did. Yeah, we didn't see the re-release.

Yeah, I didn't see that. I just watched it at home, you know. But yeah, again, the problem I had was just the writing. Yeah, like the stuff you guys say, like, the Stephen Lang character coming back, it's corny. You know, he has a son. Like, how do you have a son in the first movie? They'd even mention that. But, you know, it's corny, but I didn't really mind it in this movie.

For me, it reminded me like Terminator 2. It's just like good action movie, you know, as good action scenes and good characters. I felt they were flushed out really well. Yeah, let's go back to Spider because I was going to add. Yeah, I think his acting was bad during moments where it required him to not be bad. And I had this kind of thought where like, okay, yeah, he's the only human character. And so I was paying attention to the one of J. Sully's children, the youngest one.

You can kind of tell that they're probably the same caliber actor as Spider, but because it was like a CG face, the animators were able to like sweeten the performance a little. They were able to like give little bits of icing to it and, and help it in ways that you cannot do with Spider's character. Because yeah, if you pay attention to like the performance on the Jake Sullivan, Lee's youngest avatar baby. Like the same the same issues exist.

You can hear it in the voice performance, but there's something that they did with the face to make it more convincing. Whereas the spider human character, they did not have that option. So it was just kind of unfortunate. Yeah. Need better child actors,

or you need to work with them more closely, James. I find the story of this film to be like kind of like insulting in a way. I just feel like it was just so stupid because the first... It's really insulting.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like a lot of things about the movie are kind of like just really low amounts of respect for audience members. Like the choice to have the entire thing be in English basically. When you have this Navi language

that you create, you literally created a language in the last film. And then one of the first lines in this movie like we we get subtitles for like i don't know 30 seconds and then jake sully goes i learned navi pretty quickly and at this point they might as well speak speaking english and then just like cut in the rest of the movies like no the subtitles fade out they fade out they just they fade away and then yeah they turn it to english and then the whole movie they speak english yeah like oh okay so now it's just like it's like mass effect where you know you're just you have to imagine that you're seeing something

different than what's actually happening And so as you're just getting a translation, even though their lips are sinking, it's not a dub. You're getting like this weird, non-existent version of reality of the universe where people are speaking a different language because you couldn't possibly have audiences reading subtitles for more. Or American, let's say English speaking audiences, we couldn't possibly have them reading subtitles for more than like 45 seconds in this movie. Like, fuck. It's kind of disrespectful. That really is. It pissed me up.

But, you know, that wouldn't bother me, though, if then later in the movie, like, people just speak English. Like, you know, I think they're just speaking English in the scene. So it's, like, hard to even tell, like, you know, when they're speaking Navi and when they're speaking English. Because the whole movie, they're just speaking English. If they're Avatar people speaking to each other, the implication is that they're supposed to be speaking Navi. Yeah, but then when Stephen Lang shows up, he's speaking English. Yeah, Stephen Lang speaks English and then he tries to learn Nazi. and Spider is like better at Navi than him and he becomes a translator and then in those scenes.

Yeah, it's such a stupid choice where it's like, okay, you're James Cameron, you made the most, the highest grossing movie of all time. And so now you're working with like, okay, production started under Fox and then way late into the production, it moved to Disney. So surely before it got to Disney, these were already choices that were set in stone. Was this a choice that James Cameron made? was this was this like you would have to imagine with this film he wouldn't have that many restraints like he'd be able to do whatever the fuck he wants right yeah like the movie he made was just like fucking titanic abyss terminator like all of his other movies he just put into one movie like of course he did what he wanted so was this his decision and if it was his decision

that wasn't really a decision made for art was it or did he just think like oh no i won't make as much money this way right that's what i feel overwhelmingly about this film that's like a really cynical way to look at it like oh I just want to make more money so they're not going to speak well why else would you do it it's for accessibility right? Because he just wanted to do that oh because he just wanted to do it he invented an entire language in the first film yeah he just wanted to do it you could have had them speaking English in the first film why not it seems it does seem like a cynical reason to do it I don't know I don't think he wanted to do that it seems like this movie was just made for money and the whole movie to be them speaking navvi I don't

know I don't know if that would work I feel like it's more because the balance of the movie is way more of like to navv these scenes so Most of the movie would be in the language so I can see from that. You made a whole fucking language for it. Yeah, well, I don't know. You invented a language for the movie. No, but this is the thing that James Cameron is all about the broadness and the wide appeals. Can you imagine him like for this three hour, 12 minute long movie, like the every Navi scene being in Navi.

Don't have been doing that hard with all the kit. Yeah, I don't know. You can see from his perspectives, probably like that, that narrows the appeal, baby. Like, we don't have the balance of that. the balance of that first movie with the, uh, yeah, but that's always been the thing, right? Like, the characters are, they have a certain shallowness to them. Like, the good guys are very good. The bad guys are very bad.

And it is more about the spectacle and the theatrics of it. They're beautiful blue people that look like cats, big eyes. Yeah, the most, they're the most appealing, like, they're like minions. They're like the most appealing like you want to buy toys of them or whatever. They're very synthetic and, yeah, spiritual and understandable. That's understandable in a way. because like you you're in the first film he stuck with the most recycled unoriginal story ever but I could see what it was in service of the story was not the the focus of the

film it was presenting no this new world it was about the visual experience it was about you know he again he created a language he created a culture he created all of this lore this like all this backstory where you could read like a bunch of comic books and there's like an encyclopedia of shit behind it if you wanted to discover it. And it was to entice you into this world and be like, oh, wow, this sense of discovery. And that's why that this basic recycled plot, which has been used in other films to sort of exemplify and showcase those same sort of emotions, was used for that film. It's because that was not the focus.

And now in the second film, he created a much dumber story where it was just like, oh, I'm going to kill Jake Sully and I'm just want to kill him badly because he killed my other body. Because he, yeah, because he killed me. Yeah, because he wants revenge. Yeah, and now it's murdering him. Yeah, it's like a really petty revenge mission, right? Where it's just like, yeah, he's just going to kill you and that day.

We got to talk about like that. Like, so the reason the humans are back is because they want to like colonize. Well, Edy Falcos in the movie. She wants to like colonize Pandora because Earth is like polluted or whatever. I think she said something like that, right? Like Earth is destroyed. Earth is dying. All right.

And then they also, they changed to the McGuffin or whatever. whatever of this movie from what was it called unobtainium in the first movie. Now there's like a new element that they like throw into the lore. Yeah, there's like some kind of serum you get out of the whales, right, that makes you live forever. So that's like the new kind of thing that they'll probably use from now on in the sequels. And I was like, yeah, that's a bit more creative than like what they came up with in the first movie.

So I thought that was an improvement. But I thought that was funny how they kind of just changed like the, you know, the whatever the MacGuffin or whatever. if you want to call it the element. I mean, yeah, it doesn't matter to me what the element is. Like, it doesn't matter. I don't care. It's definitely a little better.

It's like totally not what the movie is to me. All I wanted out of this film was to experience that same sense of discovery and wonder. And just like, you know, the shots in the trailer where I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm like flying along with the flying creatures. I'm swimming with the swimming creatures. And I got that for 30 minutes out of a three hour plus long movie. And the rest of it was so fucking boring. And the rest of it was an absolute fucking chore to get through.

That 30 minutes was awesome, though. I really enjoyed that 30 minutes. The middle when they're in the whales. Yeah, when they're just, they're doing the thing. And they're learning the, you know, they're like, we're teaching you how to do this thing from this other culture. I'm like, oh, yeah, we're experiencing that same shit again. I wouldn't have minded if they just copied and pasted the entire story from the first movie.

I was just so not into Stephen Lang's character and like, Well, yeah, well, it's like the Stephen Lang stuff, yeah. Well, the humans come back. That's like, because like the thing before this movie came out, it's like, what is it about? And pretty quickly they established the humans are just back and they're just trying to like do the same shit they did in the first movie. Colonized Pandora, right? Yeah, but it felt like most of the movie was the conflict of just like Stephen Lang getting revenge. Yeah, most of it.

But they were also setting these seeds, I guess, for future movies they want to make with like, you know, E. E.D. Falco there. Like, she doesn't do a lot in the movie. They're basically just setting her up for future movies. And, like, they just set up a lot of little things. But I did like that they were, like, taking their time with it and just like, okay, we're going to focus on this main story. Like, it didn't feel rushed in any way to me.

I thought it was actually pretty well-paced. They weren't, like, constantly cramming in, like, references or, like, setting up things for future movies. Kind of like they do with Marvel movies now. Like, you know, like, I don't hate Ant-Man, but I didn't like when, like, Hawk guy or whatever his name is Hawk will now Captain America showed up or whatever like that was like so thrown in and there was nothing in this movie that felt that way to me everything was like okay the story's moving forward they're setting things up for future movies but you know it does really

indulge in like certain parts like that really great half hour part like you're saying adam where they're like in the ocean so that's all i wanted and then the last hour of the movie is action and I thought that was like fucking awesome that whole last part of the film there were parts of the action I like yeah really cool it's like the whole last part of the movie. I mean, yeah, there were parts of that that I like that. Yeah, I especially liked when it becomes Titanic and they're kind of trapped inside the ship, I thought that stuff was excellent.

That was awesome. And it looked really cool. And yeah, James Cameron's a great, like, action director. I really like how the characters were like, you know, like some of them get captured and get brought on the ship. So they have to go get them. And then some of them escape and then some of them go back. And, you know, it's this fun, like, play with, like, all the characters and, like, where they are in the scene. Like, some of them are, like, fleeing and some of them are stuck.

And, like, they play a lot with that. It's fun. It's, like, fun to see them go back and forth escaping the ship. And, you know, I don't know. I thought all that was really cool. It was really exciting that last hour of the film. There were parts of that last hour that stuck with me. You know, there were certain moments of it where it's like, oh, they just cut that guy's arm off.

Like, that was fun. But... Yeah, that was fun. The action set piece as a whole, I feel like I would have enjoyed more if... A, I cared about any of the characters and any of the consequences to those characters. And B, if I hadn't been lulled into a fucking coma for the previous two hours of the experience. Because I was just so fucking checked out. I was just like, oh my God.

Like, just, I, it was really difficult to care or pay attention after a certain point. When I was just, the whole, the whole first hour of the movie was like a frustrating fucking chore. It was just genuinely frustrating. Yeah, I don't know. I just, I just really like those characters. Like the characters in this movie were so much better to me than that first movie. I was like, yeah, I really like these characters. I enjoyed that whole, yeah, that's fun.

I just, I enjoyed, right, seeing their journey. I enjoyed the whole movie because I really cared about the characters. That's what made the action so good at the end. I'm glad that they killed off the son that looked the most like Jake Sully because I was so confused at points where they weren't opening their mouths. I thought I was watching Jake Sully in some scenes and then I wasn't. I was like, oh shit, it was the other kid. Uh-huh. Before they spoke, it was like too similar.

Well, yeah, they were definitely developing that other brother, like, much more. They were definitely, the other brother was like, I think a little more developed. So I was kind of like, oh, man, are they going to kill that brother? And they, yeah, that's what they did. Yeah, yeah, it was kind of sad. Yeah, I was more disappointed with, like, just the fact that there are so many, like, young kind of kiddie characters and the kind of tropes that come along with that. Like, the water avatars bullying, like, teenagers, like, the other ones for, their weird hands and it's like man

I feel like the stakes are so much higher in that first movie and I was never Did I miss something or did they just not address that those kids tried to murder one of Jake's kids? Did I miss something or did they not address that that was like an attempt to murder? I was surprised by how the yeah they kind of just let that go Yeah like what the fuck you're not going to like tell anyone

that that happened like they literally tried to murder you Right Right Some of the writing is off like how are they going to deal with the next movie the fact that like Niteri held a held a knife to like spider's throat like are they just gonna like forget about that

they'll probably bring it back out of I guess oh yeah you tried to like you tried to like kill me but that's fine like you're still my you're still my avatar mom I mean she didn't she just gave him a scratch

yeah I gave him a scratch or almost killed him she would have killed them maybe I don't know if she would have I don't believe she would actually I think the shot before you see her she's like acting like psychotic obviously because she lost her son.

Yeah, she's trying to. Yeah, she's kind of scary. To make it seem like she would. There was a guy laughing on that scene. I'm like, all right. Yeah, people laughed at weird parts in the movie. I don't know what the fuck. Yeah.

Where she was like, who was like, someone was like injured and they go back into the hut and she's like, stop, you're not helping or like you're doing nothing. Like, and then everybody in the theater laughed and I was like, what? I didn't understand why everybody laughed at that part. It was so weird. So I was going to say earlier, um, the first film was, it felt like, okay, I'm going to accept that this is just like a cliched, recycled, been done before by the books, paint by number story, because it's in service of presenting this new world and being able to just like dive right into it and getting the sense of wonder, blah, blah, blah, blah. The music worked perfectly everything, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the second film, I don't get that impression. I'm looking at all of these crazy effects and the fucking so much money poured into this.

And every effort that this film is taking, and I'm going like, what is this in service of? It's not in service of, like, is it in service of that half hour that I got out of it? Or is it in service of it? It felt like that wasn't the whole point of the movie, just that tiny half hour that I got out of it. It felt like the whole point of the movie was just a cash grab. And that's it.

Really, if I felt, let's just, this is one of the things for me is, like, part of my disappointment is just how similar its goals to that first movie. And in saying that aloud, I don't even know why I'm surprised by that, to be honest. Like, it is. Like, they're talking about five of these movies or however many they have planned. Is it going to be like Avatar, the freedom of fire, you know? Like, then they go to the fireplace. And then there's a scene where they're with the fire animals and there's one that fly it.

You know, like, it's like the same beats as that first movie, like, again. I really, I was like putting too much faith, I guess, in Cameron and maybe taking all those, like, years where, decade worth of critiques of that first movie about that story about these characters and maybe trying to do something to address that. And I guess he did from his perspective with this like these kid characters and Sugony Wiener playing a teenager and stuff. But yeah, I just wasn't as invested in that. I kind of wanted to see especially more from the Jake Sully character because that's that is kind of the main conflict like him being hunted and he is bringing this like war wherever he tries to escape.

But there is like this down point in the middle of the movie where there is there's just like a lack of tension for me. I know that it kept cutting to the bad guy like doing the beats from the first movie of him like going with Spider like so they could go back into those environments

and do the flangell a bird. Yeah, get one of the banshees or whatever. Yeah, but it just wasn't hitting that same way for me. Yeah, so by the time I was getting to that that crazy impressive final like 40 minutes or whatever it is in a vacuum i really like i think it's like expert action it's like beautifully achieved and storyboarded and everything is so clear and yeah it's exciting as hell but it's yeah i just didn't have that investment especially when it has the whole like the one of the kids gets taken out and like i barely knew anything about the guy

just didn't really feel anything when yeah it was a real who gives a shit moment for me yeah okay kill him i guess i was just waiting for some kind of hook to like raise the stakes or get me in um a bit more that kind of justifies it beyond the the blunt kind of uh you know like amusement park ride kind of feeling it has at times like it as soon as it opens i kind of felt like i was in because it's just it's it just opens on showing off like pandora in the environment for like a while and it's like it feels like this start of a ride almost. It's like, it's almost self-aware of that in a way.

Uh-huh. Yeah, it does feel like a ride. That's kind of why I liked it. I mean, that's like what the first one is, too. I feel like a lot of what we're saying is like the same thing with the first one. Yeah, like the stories, hollow, characters aren't great. I feel like it's better in this one. This was a longer, more boring ride.

It's more, yeah, it's more. Yeah, it's more. Yeah, I don't know. I thought the pacing was really good for it. But again, I just like those characters. She was like I did like that scene when like the brother died or whatever. I think he's always sold donna really sold it too in that scene to be fair. Like I thought she was really good in that scene. Oh, she's great.

Oh yeah. She's great. Oh, yeah. I think the acting is great all around. I even like Stephen Lang in this movie. I thought he was better in this movie. I just like the stuff with him in Spider. I thought all that's cool.

She is great, but she's kind of like falling into this weird pattern of repetition where I'm just like, oh, great, you're crying again. And it's great. She's great at it. But it just feels like that's what she's there for now. It's just to, like, cry like that. Like, we're going to see it again in the third movie. She's just going to be crying in the whole movie.

Like, we already know what the third movie is going to be. It's just going to be the exact same shit again. I want to at least try to go into, or maybe you can help me with this, to understand why I feel so off about the plot of this movie. because if I can rationalize it, the fact that there's this revenge story now where it's like, okay, he's got this squad of people and I guess the Earth military is just literally funding his revenge now. Like that's a mission. They decided to become Blue Avatar people.

I think part of the reason why it's so off-putting to me is because it gives me a different impression. I don't know if it's more accurate or less accurate. but it gives me a very different impression than I had in the first movie of like the scale of the universe of the scale of like Pandora and the planet or whatever because the way that these characters just keep meeting up like the kids just run into them basically they were like oh we're seeing the the things that landed like okay your kids are going to be the one to do that like they're just going to be alone with him right now at the beginning of the movie it's like okay it's just going to be like just you characters no other characters are there okay

and then like they just keep yeah it's like they just keep fucking bumping into each other I'm like how big is this fucking they were hunting for them too so it wasn't like there were like searching all of Pandora they were searching but they just literally ran into each other the first interaction was just like

kids you know it's the kids because it's dramatic but yeah but that's kind of annoying I'm not saying the writing isn't corny I don't think it's annoying made for cool action but whatever I don't know that it's just like these things did bother and then like I don't know like how

big as a planet? How big is a planet? Like how many tribes did they contact? Did they contact any other tribes other than the water tribe? And the first like, we could have seen that. I don't know. Not on that bothered me. That's kind of like it's just it feels like so weirdly small scale when the impression that I feel like I should be having of Pandora and the universe that Jim Cameron created is that it should be a large scale thing. It feels like it weirdly betrays the universe in my mind. same exact same feeling I have with the let's do the whole thing in English it's like well you created this fucking thing

that you know like why aren't you using it it just why are you doing this weirdly small scale story in what should be a large scale universe it's just yeah maybe it's uh it's comparisons to that first movie right because in that original 2009 one there's that whole beat where like Jake goes around to all the different tribes around Pandora and like lines them together right the forest part yeah

Yeah. But yeah, this introduced like a whole other part of the world for me. Like, it's not, and it feels small scale. It's like, oh, we're exploring new parts of Pandora now. And probably, yeah, in future movies, we'll explore more. Yeah. Next movie, they'll do the fire tribe. They'll do fire, whatever other element.

Yeah, I think they said they're going to do element. Yeah, snow. That would be kind of cool. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, like snow, Navi. Yeah, something like that. They're going to do something like that.

Yeah, it's just like these things, like, I didn't really harp on the language thing. I kind of forgot about it. I didn't harp on any of those things. I'm like, yeah, it's a little, the writing's a little corny. It's a James Cameron movie. The writing in the first one's corny. The writing in Titanic is corny.

It just didn't bother me. I just really like the characters in it. It just felt like, it didn't just feel corny. It felt like so fucking transparent. It felt like the same sort of annoyances I had with like a quiet place at points, where I'm just like, oh, you don't even care how it gets to this point you're just getting there you know it it's like it i don't see characters anymore i see props for the script yeah i feel like maybe i would have these problems if i saw it like in two d

because it's like so much fun it's just so much fun seeing the movie what do you mean what i mean it was just so much fun seeing it don't laugh at me what do you mean i mean it was so much fun seeing it in 3d and 48 frames a second it was like an amusement park right but i i just think that those are separate things i don't know I bet without the 48 frames in the 3D. If I was just watching it like on my TV or whatever, it's just like a normal like environment, I'd be like, oh yeah, these characters are like,

yeah, they're a little hollow. It's a little corny at times. But yeah, it really did feel like an amusement park where I'm like, yeah, I'm having fun. Like, but this experience is kind of like being back in Pandora. I got that for 30 minutes. Yes, the amusement park thing is like an interesting beat to me. Because like it's always like in the news, like movie news and stuff.

Like, comment about like Marvel and big Hollywood films and that's just always it was always in the back of my mind with this thinking about it from that angle the yeah the the line between yeah like what is it which we're trying to get out of this is it like a story we're going to remember is it purely just those visuals in the environmental storytelling and it's just it's just a repeat of history man it's like the same conversation as the 2009 one to me um I was really hoping to get more of a stronger emotional reaction, to be honest. I don't know.

Also, the NARV, they're just kind of creepy, man. Yeah, they are kind of creepy and annoying. I felt like I did get an emotional reaction out of the first movie, and I just like, it was just so blank and absent and like, just such nothingness in this movie for me emotionally. Just couldn't get anything out of it. It was, it was really, I just, you had, you had, you had, you could have, gone anywhere. You could have gone anywhere with this story. And you just had it like, oh, I want to

kill you. And that's it. Like, that was the whole, that was the whole story. It was just so annoying. Yeah, I was expecting more from the story. And it does make me question like, what's it for these sequels. Do you want them to keep getting bigger and bigger, like, financially as well? Is that like a big concern of yours? Because surely at this point, you've found that you've made Titanic, you've made Avatar 1, is what you want to say with this purely just like, visual for the most part, you know? Like, because, you know, these characters and the plot is like so similar.

It's so these beats, you already made the joke about the amalgamation of all the kind of previous things he's worked with in his catalogue. And he's like, yeah, I guess it is whether that theme park kind of nature gels with you or not. And yeah, I got to admit, it was getting me at certain points, but it was just the runtime. I was feeling it at points. How do we feel about Jemaine Clemens being in the movie? Yeah, I was going to mention him.

He was, that was like a weird character. He's like barely in it. It's not really developed all that much. Yeah. So he's just a whale hunter like the other guy, but he feels bad about it. That's basically like the character. Yeah, he was like a biologist or something, wasn't he? There was kind of like Sigourney's character from the first one.

True. You know, I didn't even really make that. That's, like, so obvious now that you say it, but I, like, didn't even make that comparison. You know, there's just so much shit going on in this movie. I'm like, yeah, that character was there, like, kind of underdeveloped, maybe in future movies, they'll do something with him. Well, there's a bunch of cool ideas. Like, in this one, they really spend a lot of time developing this kind of, like, whale thing, obviously for this. Yeah, and they can, like, an aging plot.

It felt like such James Cameron, like, I don't know, fan fiction or whatever for the ocean. I don't know the word for it. But just like, oh, what? What if I could like talk to whales? Kind of. Yeah. What if I could talk to whales, dude? Just like stuff he's like imagining in his dreams.

I was like, yeah, that's what it was like. The whole movie was literally just James Cameron jerking off. Well, yeah, it's like set in the ocean. It felt like it's incredibly self-indulgent. It's just masturbatory movie. I don't know. I thought it was fun. There were parts of the movie I found so weird.

There were like little tiny audio. issues that I had, but it was once I started noticing it, that I couldn't stop noticing it. So there would be certain sound effects that were done, I guess, through Foley. And there would be like repeated impact sound effects, but every time they repeated the impact, it would be like the sound would be so similar to the previous sound that it would sound like a YouTube poop thing. Like you were using the same sound effect over and over. So like when people were getting hit by the fire extinguisher, there were like multiple hits

in a row. and it was just like, oh shit, just like this weird, like, same sound playing again and, like, the handcuff clacking. And it was so, like, apparent. When the, when the big fish was, like, chomping down its teeth, it was, like, this really noticeable, like, ow, ow, ow. And it was just, like, the exact same sound playing over and over. I was like, this is weird.

This is comical. Like, it was, like, YouTube poopy. Like, I don't know how to describe it. But, like, there's so many other big action movies where I, yeah, I don't know why I started noticing this. And I'm now trying to be like, well, is this a thing in like most action movies? Like, what's happening here? Like, why was it sticking out so much in this movie?

It was just so bizarre. Some of the wing flapping on some of the animals, it was just like so much of too similar of one sound effect. And it was just to turning into this weird YouTube poop for me. And it happened so many times in the movie. It was so bizarre. I don't know what was going on. Yeah, I don't know.

They didn't really bother me. I didn't really notice it. But the sound was good, especially at actually. Max. Since we're on sound, I guess we can talk about the score for this movie, too. I think that was like a big point I had. I really like the score from the first one. You know, James Horner obviously is not, you know, he passed away. He passed away, yeah. So, he could compose this one. So it's a new score. I honestly didn't really like it as much as the first one. That's probably one element of it. Yeah, same. Yeah, I think it was better in the first movie. Yeah. I'd still like the score for this movie. They do use certain parts of the score. from the first movie in this movie that were used well, I think. Like, I kept thinking to kind of Jurassic World Dominion, how they used, like, the Jurassic World theme or Jurassic Park theme,

and it was, like, so out of place. It, like, ruined the theme. And here, it's like, okay, the whales are dying, so they play, like, the tragic music from the first one when, like, the trees burned. I'm like, okay, it fits the scene. You know, the music at the end of the movie before the credits. I'm like, okay, they're using the themes from the first one, but, you know, it is a sequel.

They're using it well as it feels so forced in. And yeah, there's a lot of, like, original compositions in there. It's like, oh, there's some cool tracks in there where they, like, use the IMAX sound. You hear, like, you know, sound effects, like, in the background, I guess, sort of, like, parts of the score behind you. You know, it feels like kind of ethereal. I'm like, oh, it's well done. Yeah, I just thought it was really well done. I thought it was really good.

Like, in terms of science fiction, I'm like, I can't think of a better, like, science fiction movie I've seen recently. Like, probably 10. It was, like, the last one I really liked. But, yeah, it's really cool. A lot of similar to us as well. I actually kind of liked this more than Dune. I just thought the world building was so cool. Yeah.

I did. I liked it more than Dune. You know, the more I think about Dune, I still like it, but I didn't like it as much, like, it's the first time I saw it. This, I was like, I was just really into that world. I mean, that's why I spent, you know, I put my money where in my mouth is, I spent six hours this weekend in Pandora. I really enjoyed this movie. I saw it twice. I really enjoyed, you know, the 3D and being in that environment.

Like, this is fun. You know, I don't think every movie should be this way. I'm not saying it should be like a movement. But for this movie, for the way he intended to use it, I thought it was really well done. He clearly put a lot of thought to it, James Cameron and the team behind it. I'm not just giving him credit. It's his team, too. It felt like really like a labor of love, this movie in terms of like the special effects and all that.

And yeah, the story, we can pick it apart. Yeah, I do have some issues with it that might bother me more as I watch it, you know, in the future. But just that experience to seeing it 3D, that was like really great both times. I really enjoyed that. It was like a theme park ride, but like a good one, not in like a bad way. Yeah, it definitely is a different level of special effects, you know. It's like how it should be done. Yeah.

I guess the argument just comes in terms of like what it's in service of. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Sure. I just thought it was such an improvement in that way to where I was like actually really impressed where I'm not really impressed by CG anymore. With this one, I really was. That's why a lot of people like that.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, a lot of people really like this movie. I mean... Yeah, no, I feel like I'm more kind of in the minority with how I'm feeling about it, to be honest. Everyone clapped in the theater. Yeah, people clapped. That's very rare. Really?

Not in Britland. No one made a single fucking noise. So miserable. I did watch this in Georgia. Okay, Georgia America. To specify. Oh, yeah, that's like who it's made for. Yeah.

They love it. They were having a good time. It's a big Disney Park ride. Of course they... That's what it is. I mean... I enjoyed the Disney Park ride. I enjoyed the actual Disney Park ride where you fly around.

That was fucking dope. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was like that. It's basically like a three-hour version of that. I wish I got that. out of it for more than half an hour because I feel like I got that for like 30 minutes kind of that's fine mm-hmm but yeah I think we're I think I think this is a I don't know if we

have much more to say about we should talk about some other movies yeah I think that's everything oh I'll go first like I like I said I loved it I thought it was really good but I don't feel bad I think there's a lot of the people loved it too I I'd give it four-star I think it's a good movie I think it's better than the first one honestly. Yeah, I'm still kind of torn because like with the caveat of what I was saying at the start of the conversation,

that high frame rate thing was like really bugging me more than I was expecting or anticipating. So I do, I do want to, well, this is where I'm torn again because I do want to see it again with it not being in 48 frames but I also didn't love the story

that much. I'm not really that motivated to rush right back and get into it. But Yeah, weird mixed feelings with that. Love the special effects. Love going back to Pandora and like the different environments. And clearly he's, this guy's got a fetish for water like nothing else. I mean, I guess it pays off in the implementation of like those effects.

Yeah. It felt like a fetish movie, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I like the little details like this tribe being like kind of being more like Maori influenced and having those kind of things in there makes me kind of wonder about. about what else is going on in this world, what other tribes I kind of do and their rituals and traditions.

And that's the stuff I like in all this kind of science fiction world building. It's just yeah, mostly that dialogue, writing, general plot and characters, I just really wanted more to hook onto. So for now, after my first watch in the IMAX frame rate thing, I'm just right down the middle, like two and a half stars. Because right now, my feelings that I actually

kind of prefer that that first movie, as a package. But I suppose it's still early days. Yeah, I liked the first movie a lot more. I felt like it delivered with what I wanted out of it a lot more. This one was, yeah, kind of a fetish movie. It was very long and masturbatory. And damn, could you imagine if everybody got like hundreds of millions of dollars

to put to their fetish movie? That would be a crazy existence. James Cameron is lucky. four out of ten it was so boring hated all the characters it was shit and I didn't like the story I loved 30 minutes of it uh that's about it damn so you got no hope for the future then for the eight other ones no yeah I'm like this I'm I'm upset because I'm not going to be able to stomach watching this film again because like I really enjoyed a 30 minute section of this film and it makes me upset that like

what, I'm not going to buy like a Blu-ray for it to experience that 30 minutes again because like what, I'm just going to skip through the other parts. Like, is that worth it to like buy a Blu-ray for it? So that's just, yeah, it's just kind of upsetting. I guess I'll feel some sort of obligation to watch a third movie. I just don't like, yeah, like, fuck. I'm so uninterested in this Stephen Lang revenge story shit

that's just going to happen again in the third movie. And probably the fourth. probably going to end the exact same way in the third movie where it's just like, oh, well, he's, he's dead, but then he's not dead. How many fucking times do people like drown and then come back without even having like CPR? Like, I guess just the Navi bodies just don't need to expel the water from their lungs after they fucking fill them up. Like, holy shit. That happened like twice. It was so annoying. Yeah, I think so. Something like that. Yeah. You know there's some world building reason. Of course. Yeah. There's some excuse, I'm sure. All right. Uh, yeah, we're going to, yeah,

I very not enjoyed it. I was sleeping. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, my recommendation was for the 2001 movie Vanilla Sky, which Adam reminded me, is actually an American remake of the 97 movie, Open Your Eyes. The 97 movie. I'm going to talk about both here. Might as well start with Open Your Eyes.

directed by Alejandro Aminaba. How's that good? How many people did that upset? Yeah. As a Spaniard. I don't know. Yeah, so it's kind of a simple story from this era of when, I don't know, I don't know, I was thinking about this.

I was trying to compile a bunch of movies from this time that are all about, like, reality not being quite what it seems, or that there's some kind of technology that's going on the background that's making everything crazy. Full spoilers, by the way, for this. Yeah, so around this era of your Total Recalls, your Matrix, Truman Show, Jacobs Ladder, the game, this, like, fascination with these kind of ideas. Eternal sunshine shortly after. Yep, yep.

But open your eyes in 97 as one of those kind of more unique, definitely quieter ones with more of a, kind of a, kind of a mystery. angle, it's not about like big spectacle or action, like the Matrix or something like this. It's more of a, more of a mystery, kind of with this main character. He's like a pretty boy, a rich boy, born into wealth, old money. And he winds up in a horrific car accident and has to try and rebuild his life and face and everything starts getting difficult to understand. And is it a dream?

what isn't a dream, and it all boils down into some crazy science fiction concepts that I wasn't really anticipating or expecting. I saw vanilla sky, man, so many years ago to the point where it was just kind of vague images, so this whole twist aspect and the science fiction aspect I'd completely forgotten was key to the movie and part of what makes it interesting to begin with. So I had a great time watching Open Your Eyes. I don't know about you guys and what you're familiarity with this movie. years. But yeah, I liked its bluntness. I liked

its pace and where it goes and kind of what it's saying, where it gets your mind going, much like all these other reality bending, sci-fi concept kind of movies, Black Mirror kind of gut punch sort of reveals in this kind of idea. Yeah, what are you guys saying? I really enjoyed this one, and it was interesting. I really enjoyed watching these two films back

back because it was, I guess we'll talk more about the differences between them when we introduced the other film. This film on its own was, there was a level of intrigue to it that I thought was very properly communicated in the film. Like, I was always kind of like, oh, interested in, you know, where this is going and what's happening. And although it was a little slow in terms of like, I guess, how it's presented, um, there was always enough to keep me wanting to get to the end and wanting more out of it.

My biggest issue with this film would be that I just, I didn't like the main character, and it didn't feel like one of those fun you're not supposed to like the main character movies. It wasn't like American Psycho where it's just like, it's still like an entertaining character. I was just kind of fucking annoyed with this guy. I was like, he's giving off such in-cell Elliot Roger energy. like and I'm just like just fuck off like I was kind of getting Patrick Bateman vibes a little bit yeah I just wanted bad things that happened to him after a certain point and so it was weird so I was doing a watchalong to it um and I've done watchalongs you know with more seriously toned films before

and just didn't say as many things because you know it's just a you know social watching a movie not necessarily riffing on it the entire time but with this film after a certain point like after about halfway through, I guess we're going to get into spoiler territory as spoiler discussion, everybody. After about halfway through, I was kind of like riffing on it, but still enjoying it, but I was more riffing on the character.

I was like, yeah, you fucking piece of shit sort of thing, but I was still enjoying it. Like the story is a strong story despite me not liking how they presented the main character or what I got out of the main character. but yeah there was some really cool imagery the you know double

where he puts the mask on the back of his head and that was you know used again later in the other film yeah that was cool there was some good makeup yeah I like the prosthetic better in this one yeah he was more disfigured I feel deformed maybe it's less realistic I guess but I don't know I'm not sure yeah I can't help but compare it to Vanilla Sky

because that's the one I saw first. I mean, it's like a big Tom Cruise movie. But then I learned about Open Your Eyes later. And, you know, then I saw that. I think Open Your Eyes is better. Yeah. Yeah, it came first.

I think that's a big thing. Like, it's very original concept. Yeah, it's like really well done. Yeah, and it is more blunt. I like that about it. It's less like overdramatic. I really like the style of it. And yeah, it's like, just like little choices.

It's basically almost the same movie. Like both of them. They're like basically the same plot. But there's just little choices they make. and this one's just like a little more it kind of just sticks with you a little more it's like a little more yeah especially my elegant um yeah

is that bluntness like you can't not compare because I did what you did Adam to like just watch them both like one after another and it does like really highlight certain things like how the the Hollywood schmaltz kind of leaks more into the vanilla sky version and how just how much more

unlikable Tom Cruise is compared to the sky even though really still isn't yeah I personally, I found it to be... I found Tom Cruise to be more likable. I found it was like more of a cute, psychopathic vibe, and I felt like Tom Cruise played that better. Let's try it.

We can keep the first movie discussion as short as we want. Like, we don't have to say too much more about it if we really want to get into the comparisons because I feel like we should introduce Villenelli. I start talking about it if we really want to... I didn't see either movie before watching. them both. And I didn't know until like I guess the past few years

that Vanilla Sky was a remake. So I'm glad that I never got around to watching Vanilla Sky just so I could experience this one first. All I knew about Vanilla Sky was Tom Cruise saw the poster a billion times. What was it? Cameron Crow.

And almost famous. Yeah. Yeah. And just I knew that it was supposed to be like a mind fuck movie because people kept putting it on the mind fuck movies lists or whatever like YouTube Reddit lists or blah blah blah blah and so yeah I knew that it was like going to have some twists and turns and maybe some like I don't know confusing stuff and it was a bit it was

a lot more straightforward than I was expecting based on that like it wasn't as uh up to your own imagination it was just kind of one of those like you know the you don't really expect where it's going and it's interesting where it's going. And yeah, for me, I really loved the story, did not love the main character. And I feel like it really improved upon itself by the end of the film. I thought that the ending, the entire end sequence was perfect from, you know, the confusion and the shootout and the, fucking G-man character.

I really like the detective character. Yeah, G-man or whatever. Yeah, I really like the detective character how he's like kind of conscious even at that point in the movie. Yeah, like he is just a character in his mind kind of not really real. But yeah, you see like he has like a genuine reaction

to it, which was like kind of interesting. The doctor character and how he was used at the end, especially. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Sure, that was cool. I do like how there's no ambiguity to it It's like no this is a dream

This is not real You know it's not like Oh like maybe the partners Made you do it Like because you know There's this whole other subplot With like he owns his he owns his father's business now So it's like oh maybe they're trying to like get him

Out of it But it's you know They're like no it's just a dream It's just the whole thing's a dream There's no ambiguity There's no hidden I do like that I think that's you know Makes it unique

There is a small level of ambiguity to it where you could imagine like oh instead of him having used this uh extend your life cryogenic sleep service perhaps when he wakes up at the end of the movie if if he wakes up at the end of the movie perhaps that's just oh all this was all a dream and you're waking up from the car crash right now like that that's one option but i mean it doesn't really matter um and i like exactly where they ended the movie i like that we yeah tough to not not Tough to talk about this without comparing it to the other film, but I like that we didn't get the shot of the eye at the end of the movie.

I like that it stayed black and it just reincorporated the line, which was the title of the film. And we just heard, you know, open your eyes. I think that that was like the perfect place to end it because it allows for a big of thought in conversation. Yeah. Okay. No, I liked it.

I probably liked it better too. Yeah, the way they trickle in the kind of sci-fi concepts, um, I enjoyed too. because it's not like they're really trying to hide it too much, like they do have the TV in the background when they're talking about like cryostasis technology and this kind of craziness.

But yeah, the way it's actually implemented in where it goes and like the decision, that final scene you're saying about where he jumps off the building and that decision that that character is put into is a fun, like cool way to wrap up the story and bring it all together. Yeah, I was a big fan of that side of it. yeah and I felt like it was like so much more let's just start fucking okay I'm just going to give my

rating for this one and we're going to start talking about this is about the comparison so yeah I thought this movie was uh very solid very interesting uh seven out of 10 for me uh could have been better you know there's it's odd cheesiness or weird moment but uh overall really cool yeah no i'm right there with you i think a three and a half star seven is perfect for this It's not like out of all those films I listed at the start of this conversation, I don't think it's like the best out of any of those kind of mind-bounding, world-altering, sci-fi kind of concepts. But it's really solid, yeah, and memorable and unique and interesting.

I think it's better than Jacob's Ladder, which we talked about. Yeah, yeah, I'd probably prefer it over Jacobs, Anna. Mm-hmm. And I would give this one a four-star. Cool. Four-star out of five-star, yeah. All right. That's what I give it.

Yeah, the comparison is the... Yeah, they're basically almost the same movie. But they couldn't be more different at the same time. They're very similar and they're very different. It's simultaneously. That's the thing. But it's the same plot. It's the same sequence of events.

It's like the same scenes. Just like almost exactly. Yeah, same ideas given to two different directors of just a completely different style and interpretation of let's take it. Yeah. It is a style. that separates, yeah. There are things about this movie, Vanilla Sky,

where I can see how they expanded upon the ideas of the first film, and I can see how they improved certain aspects in ways. For one, the main character was a lot more fleshed out and developed. And it was like the dynamics between him and his friend were a lot more clear, even if I didn't like the friend character as much in this one. By the time that he was saying the line, like, you're my best friend. I actually felt it in this movie.

Whereas in the first one, I was like, oh, I guess your best friends. Like, you kind of, it didn't like feel like it was communicated as much, even if they probably mentioned it. I like Jason Lee in this. You know, of course, Cameron Crow. So Jason Lee's back. I thought that was funny because I didn't remember he was in it. Yeah, I thought Jason Lee was fun.

Penelope Cruz is back again. She's in the first one. Which is interesting. Like, I was just like trying to compare the performance. It's like, it's no point. It's like the same exact scenes. She's performing. It must be funny as an actor.

I much prefer her and open your eyes. Every creative choice I basically prefer and open your eyes. She had more of a character there. Yeah. This is the one character in the film that was not expanded upon as much in Vanilla Sky. She felt like more of a character in the first movie and she was just a bit more absent from this one, which is weird. She felt like less important in this one.

See, a lot of the time, though, that expansion is what I was liking less about Vanilla Sky. Like, I didn't need, like, the board of dwarves and, like, you know, showing him going into work. Because that's, like, just not an important thing in that first meeting. That wasn't very funny at all. I'm laughing now just because of how, like, awkward it is. Because it's a good, like, 20 minutes longer than the 97th version.

Yeah. It's so unnecessary. There's a bunch of all kind of stuff going on. Yeah. And everything that's added. it feels more like, yeah, like, kind of like, there's Disney remix where like, we've got to make it longer and add more shit to add more shit. Well, basically every decision, almost every decision in this movie was made in such a borderline parody Americanized way where, like now that we have much more of a repertoire and many more examples of American remakes, we can see just have. how clearly this is doing a lot of the same things. It's making a lot of things a lot more

loud and obvious, you know? And then the editing is like a huge thing in this movie where it's like a lot of quick cuts for the action and even some of the dialogue scenes. There's just like a billion cuts, you know? I agree with you. But like the world that he's creating in his head, they're like, okay, he wants it to be sensationalized. Like, yeah, it's very sensationalized. Like, yeah, it's very sensational. He's creating. You know, the music choices, not too Sure, it's the whole movie, not the entire movie is supposed to be a dream. You know, only half the movie's a dream because there's a certain point where, you know, he chooses to do the memory thing or whatever, the lucid dream.

You know, there's a point where he chooses it. So not the entire movie's a dream, but the whole movie feels like it has that, like, you know, feel. Like, it's this sensationalized, exactly, like with the music and all that. I really like some of the soundtrack choices. I think that's something about this movie. I probably like more, like the use of Radiohead and whatever. Yeah, the radio. Radiohead's great.

I feel like some soundtrack choices were like very detrimental to the movie. Some were weird. Some were just ruined the scene for me. Yeah, the one like immediately after the Radiohead song. I didn't know this song, but I'm like, that's kind of a weird choice. Not like the song was bad. It was just like it didn't really fit the scene well. But yeah, I mostly liked the soundtrack.

Almost every song choice in the last 25 minutes of the film was just like, why are you doing this? Yeah You almost like a Snyder film Oh yeah It was so weird At least it wasn't a cover though So X-Syder uses those covers that are like awful Oh yeah

This is slightly better Yeah it's not quite that level You're right No there are certain scenes in particular Where that sensationalism That Hollywood kind of style Was really like comical In comparison

Like the whole exposition scene Towards the end Where they're in the office And in the original It's just like a really simple They just pull out these little stick things on the desk and like just explain the concepts really clean Underplayed simple and then in the in Vanilla Sky it's like this whole like we prepared this video and Tilda Swinton plays the video on the screen on the desk and it's like this crazy animatic and there's Yeah, whackiness going on and yeah like it is like whiplash watching this one right after that original just with how much they kind of

just take it to that next level to try and, I don't know, make it more Hollywood, make it more bombastic. Yeah. Make it more accessible, I guess. Yeah. For a wider audience. Yeah, more accessible for sure. Yeah. Like the dog, the whole frozen dog thing, Benny the dog.

Yeah. I was really wondering, like, how does this film play not seeing that original, if it maybe works a bit better because I don't know, You're like at the beginning of the movie, like Cameron Diaz like gets a call and the song is like life is but a dream. So it's like all those little Easter eggs and things are in there that you wouldn't really notice. There's a lot more attempts at reincorporation in this film. And in some ways, I feel like it works pretty well for what it's trying to do. Like I kind of like that kind of reincorporation and a dream type movie sort of thing. I like those little hints.

Yeah. I like the reincorporation too, but it was more the, I was wondering if, particularly that Benny of the Dog thing, like, just how much they're focusing on it and keeping, like, the cryostasis idea, like, in your mind, like, whether that would get to be too much or too, like, too obvious. Oh, yeah, it was definitely too much. Like, the foreshadowing in the first one's great. You see it in the TV. Yeah. In the Spanish version. It's just, like, on the TV.

Like, they mentioned cryostasis, or cryogenesis. It was like, oh, okay. It was perfect how they seated that. And this movie, yeah, it's like, you have the Benny of the Duxansans. dog thing. I'm like, oh my God, I wonder how that's going to come in later. It's like, oh, he came to life. He brought it back to life. It's like, it doesn't even really like tie in entirely, I feel like it doesn't even really work. It's like, yeah, it doesn't really need to be so expounding. It's just like something's like funny. They try to make it like funny,

more comedic to make it more accessible. Like, hey, guys, we're not taking this that seriously. You know, we're still having fun with it. And, you know, there are some fun visuals and and stuff like that that look cool. actually Tom Cruise jumping off the building or whatever at the end I did think that actually looked better in the first one or in the Spanish one I thought that looked better in the Spanish one they both look kind of bad maybe not when there maybe not like when he's jumping off but at least like the shot when it like pans up as he's like standing oh yeah like on the edge I thought that looked better in the in the original one I just thought I thought I thought

I don't know if they really did it the green screen effects looked better in the second film, but the lighting was off in a weird way, and it was like inconsistent with where the sun should be, and it was like, okay, it's just weirdly dark. Yeah, it looks a bit like the room. So, it's up of the weird. Yeah, it was just weird that, you know, like the

dramatic scenes don't entirely work for me because of certain things like that, like the CGI or I don't know, like certain dialogue, certain creative decisions. I do like the original one that it just cuts to black and there's no shot of the eye. Yeah, it's just stuff like that

His face is much more His face is much more deformed in the other movie In this one, it's like, oh, it's Tom Cruise, we still got to sell this movie, you can't make him too ugly Yeah So it's just like, yeah It's got some pink eye, I guess Which is weird because I

I saw the trailer After I watched the movie just thinking like How do you market this? They never showed him disfigured in the trailer Which I seemed a bit Like I was kind of expecting that But yeah, that's Huh.

So they never marketed him as being a deformed person. Yeah. I guess that would have like ruined like the whole twist, I guess. Or part of the twist. There were, I found that there were like a couple. This movie has more intentional and unintentional humor in it than the first film. So I found myself having more fun with this movie.

Even if I don't think it's a better movie, I found myself having more fun because it's going for a bit more comedic of a tone. also some, there are just some lines that are really kind of stupid. Like, they were like, it's definitely entertaining. Yeah, I definitely had a good time with it. I don't think it's bad at all. There was this line where they were like, we're not cowboys. I'm like, oh, that's so American. Just like mentioning cowboys in it, too. And there was the line where Tom Cruise says, like, some people just say I'm like a guy who's just snowboarding his way through life. I'm like, no one, no one says snowboarding for like an expression like that. That's not like, oh yeah, like the most

notoriously easy thing to do is like snowboarding like yeah yeah that's like a weird yeah it just seems like yeah what yeah that yeah that is yeah you're right about the the kind of intentionality of it where yeah a lot of it that um exceptionalism is kind of built into the movie like Stephen Spielberg shows up as a bunch of pop culture references to like settings and spaces that they go to and the references and just like how star studied the cast It's like kind of crazy. How many actors... Steven Spielberg.

Camia. Yeah. Kurt Russell. Kurt Russell. Michael Shannon. Tilda Swinton. Yeah. Everyone is in the movie.

Yeah. I actually really liked Kurt Russell on this. I thought he was great. Yeah. I really liked him in this. His reaction at the end to that whole scene. That same scene with that scene with that character was great. I'm like, you know, his mind being blown that he's actually not real.

I just love. not seen in both movies. I, overall with this movie, I found it to be like relatively inoffensive as a remake. It's still funny in terms of like,

okay, this is like such a parody of American remakes and just the soundtrack choice at Salisbury Hill and like, oh, really? Like there's a lot of parts of it that I just found weird,

but like there was enough about it that I found improved too. And again, I was having more fun with it. It felt like the pacing was going by faster in this movie for me. I don't know about you guys, but even though this was a longer film,

the music added to the flow of the film a lot, whereas I felt it was like a bit more empty in the first one for that, kind of like a slower foreign art house film, whereas this was trying to be a bit more palatable to general audiences. And in some ways, it worked. But I just like the real make or break sequence for both films for me was the ending, where in the first film, I felt like it really tied itself to. together was like the best ending possible. I was like, okay, yeah, I definitely like this movie a lot. And this film, I was prepared to be like, oh, wow, they're both like good for different things.

I'm not sure if I have a favorite. But they fucked up the ending so bad in this movie. You know, they lose the ambiguity for that point in time where, you know, the doctor character should be arguing about whether or not he's real. And they just didn't really do that in this movie. and there wasn't the shootout. That was in an alternate ending and it also was kind of shit-hidden. Yeah, I missed the shootout. That was better.

That was cool in the first one. There was no shootout in this movie and like the doctor didn't like hang out with him down there and he never followed him up. And so like when we're already up there at the top of the building and he's like, oh, you can wish for whatever you want. You can wish for your doctor friend to be there.

And then he just shows up. Then it's like, okay, you've definitively told us that he's not real. Whereas in the first movie, you kind of believe the guy. Even if it doesn't make sense that he would be real, you kind of believe his character or you're tempted to because of how passionate he is about. He's like, no, I have two daughters and like all this stuff. And like his subconscious version of this character, like, can't accept it.

That's a really interesting angle. And it adds an extra layer of emotion to it. And then they just didn't do that here. And then the G-man character in this film was like so much, intimidating. It was that like, that British actor from... Okay.

That's what you meant by the G-Man guy? The guy who... The guy who... He's talking to about... He's like the technician. Oh, Noah Taylor. Yeah. In this movie, it's different, too.

He's tech support in this movie. So he's supposed to be like more of a comedic character, I think. Because I don't think he's like tech support. He just seemed so weak as a character in this film. The other film, he was so intimidating. Yeah, I don't know. Whereas this was just calm. I did like the other guy more.

Yeah, he was more of like a presence. Yeah. Yeah. No, the execution of all of that was like laughable in comparison. When Kurt Russell starts like screaming, like, I can't be entertainment for the future, can I? Like, you know, it gets like way goofier. I got a big problem with the Tom Cruise yelling. It just never seemed like.

Tax up hard. Very real to me. Yeah. It was weird. It seemed kind of off. Yeah, kind of like weak acting there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

They really fucked up the ending. I would have had so much more of a good impression if they didn't. The fucking good vibrations by the Beach Boys playing as easy. I like for tech support, I'm like, what are you trying to do here? Oh, yeah. Like, it was just so different in the first movie and it worked so much better. And yeah, I watched the alternate ending. And the good vibrations, so they do the shootout.

And good vibrations continues playing during this shootout, which is so lame. And it treats it like this campy like, oh, I can't die. in a video game and like an entire SWAT team shows up with automatic weapons and yeah it's again very Americanized but just like the tone is so off yeah I was really getting hung up on that like were they trying to do like a juxtaposition thing or it's like the kind of goofy sounding song with like that's what I was thinking yeah everything's falling apart so it's supposed to like be enhancing his insanity it really didn't land especially that scene yeah it just feels like they were scared to show real emotions at that point, which is weird because there's other parts of the

movie where I felt like this film did it in a more brutal way. Like the pillow suffocating, she was fighting back a lot more. And the editing there was like a lot more like kind of fucked up and sure, a bit more obvious. But like, or the scene where, uh, he has that nightmare that he has his old face and he's screaming and she's screaming. Like, that was so much more intense in this film. It was louder and there was also like an extra soundtrack they played on it that like gave a bit more tension. The car crash, that was more brutal in this film. Like the impact it made and like I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Like I can tell why someone would be fucked up from that car crash. Like it was a lot more brutal. And then yeah, just the ending, it just felt like why don't you

want us to feel these emotions at the ending? It felt like if, yeah, weird, toned down, nerfed kind of bizarre choices version of this ending. I just couldn't deal with it. Yeah, I think the whole thing was green screen at the end. I think that looked bad. Yeah. I think they were on a real roof in the other one. I think so. I'm not, you know. They were at least outside. It seemed more real anyway than the execution in this one. Yeah, that other one is just more straightforward. Yeah, it wasn't distracting. Yeah, I'm like with you. There's, there's some things in this movie that they do better. There's other things that are just not as good. So it ends up just being like kind of in the middle for me. Yeah, I do like certain things. I definitely like probably Tom

Cruz's character a little more in this one. I do. He made it more compelling. And he's a, he's a better actor, I feel too, honestly. Probably, yeah. And the same with Jason Lee. I'm just, yeah, I'm not with you guys on that one. I don't know if it's the fact it was a Tom Cruise or if it was more the, I already knew the story going in, so that wasn't carrying me, that intrigue wasn't carrying me in the same way as it was, my first wish to open your eyes. Yeah, so it is hard to know. But also, yeah, there is the screaming, there is the, like, kind of has these, like, ticks or something he's trying to do where he's, like, dancing, like, in a window with the mask on and just doing all these, like, crazy things, like, which I guess is supposed to be, like, yeah, his reality

is crumbling before. I mean, he doesn't know what's real, but. Yeah. It didn't really land like that. To me, it was more like Tom Cruise kind of just being crazy. You know what have been an awesome ending is if like instead of the shot at the, of his eye at the end, it was a shot of like a cat eye. That would have been a good like alternate ending. Like if they're going to tease it so much, if they're going to reincorporate that like,

I'll see in another life and we'll be cats or something. That would have been great. Just like, wake up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then cats begins. Yeah, that'd be good. Oh, my God.

Shared universe. Oh, God. Jealous you, yeah. Yeah, it was so weird. Like, yeah, the good vibrations, the weird-ass soundtrack choice. Oh, yeah, they did the whole, instead of just saying you swallowed pills and you died, they said, you swallowed pills and you died. And also, we're going to show all these characters at your home.

And they were all really sad that you died. and we're going to have the music that they play during that scene. And I watched this with headphones. And so I could distinctly hear both of the, the song had like two sets of lyrics happening at once in different channels. It was like two, it was just such a weird choice. That's weird. Two different lyrics going, two different vocal tracks with different lyrics happening at the same time.

I was like, what the fuck is this? It was so sappy. It's like, oh, remember the broken guitar display? well, she looked at that, and even though she didn't like it, she reminds her of you. And so she's sad now. And it's like, fuck. Like long and drawn out, just more Americanized, sappy bullshit. And then, yeah, the song when he was falling off the building, too, it was so sappy.

Like, oh, God. I felt like more of a brutal emotional impact and more intrigue and just more purpose from the first film, whereas this one just felt like a weird, like could have been saved in the editing room. probably blamer, you know? Because Sappy is not a word I would use to describe that 97 one at all. It's inverse to the point where it's like, yeah, funny in comparison because it is brutal, it's matter of fact. It's just like, because it compares scenes one to one and it's like hilarious.

This seems like it was already saved in editing, like just from how you're describing like that alternate ending or whatever. That sounds really dumb. Oh, it was bad. You can see it on YouTube. How you describe it. Yeah, it just sounds so dumb. It seems like it was saved.

Like he had all these ideas of, yeah, like that juxtaposition that just weren't working. And it like rained in his, like it could have been kind of like a Southland Hills almost, but I guess it was kind of saved. I mean, the story is so good at the end of the day, right, that it's just not going to devolve into that. Like they just stick to the story. I mean, it's basically the same movie. What was the alternate ending then? Like, what actually happens? It's just the shootout scene, really.

And I guess there's like a bit more dialogue. I kind of skipped through it. Yeah. Yeah. The video is 20 minutes long, but it's like really most of it's the same as the original. I would like to, I almost forgot a huge difference in the original film in this film was the, what was her name in the first one? Like, Nuri or something, Noreena or something. I don't remember, but Cameron Diaz's character, like she's insanely different.

And again, going along the same lines of how they're making these choices, she's a lot more obviously, even. evil. And I feel like that works against the film in this way because she's like when he when he ties her up in this movie, it's right after she's doing like, ha ha, I tricked you. Like with her face, you can tell exactly what she's doing. Like she's she's really obviously playing into these like, I'm a bad person vibe and I blah blah, blah, blah. Whereas in the first movie it was like kind of ambiguous. Like you believed her like, oh, she's this other character like what's wrong with his brain that he's seeing this other face. Whereas in this movie, it's like it's, it was so, it was. It was so, it was, It was way too obvious what they were trying to imply with it.

And I felt like it should have been more ambiguous. Also, he didn't hit her in this movie, but they said that he did. But they just didn't show him doing it, which I thought was an interesting, weird, Americanized choice. Yeah, that's also why I like the friendship dynamic more on that first movie. I know you guys said you prefer the kind of Jason Lee angle. But, yeah, it is real back to the point where it's, I thought it was going to be more of a question in that original movie. Like, I knew there was a car crash based on the blur. I don't know.

They were establishing a bunch of different characters that it could be. I thought it could be the friend who's like, it's going to go that direction because he's like stealing his girlfriend and stuff. And they're having those kind of conversations and that kind of conflict seem more real to me than the kind of, yeah, the very Hollywood glossy Jason Lee. He's like laughing when like Cruz and Tom Cruise like get together. And yeah, I don't know. It just didn't work for me. in the same way the original did. Like, I know you guys were saying,

you prefer some things about Vanilla Sky, but it really wasn't any, every time there was like a scene, I was just comparing it in my head and just thinking about how much better that original was in comparison and how much more, yeah, effective and consistent. And yeah, yeah, it all comes together a lot better.

She wasn't a mime in this one. Yeah, why'd they cut that out? There's no miming. That's right, yeah, because she's an actor in the original. but a dancer in this one or something, yeah. That's the best scene when she's my mind. I felt, okay, so there's certain things about, like, the dynamic and morality.

Because, again, I mentioned how I just find the main character is so much more annoying, and I hate him in the first film. I just found, like, there's certain things, like, how he interacts with her after he's had the accident. I prefer Tom Cruise doing this sort of silly, like, believe it or not, I'm smiling sort of thing. I feel like that's just so much more likable as a character trait. And then especially after that sequence where, oh, they have this new technology and we fixed your face for real this time. In the first film, it felt like this weird sort of like, what are you saying in terms of writing a story sort of thing where there was this stark contrast between how people were trading him when he was disfigured and versus right after, like immediately after he's like, oh yeah, everybody loves me now.

I'm getting laid in the first movie. It was kind of weird. Whereas like in vanilla sky, it felt like his personality was a bit, was making up for it a bit. And it wasn't this bizarre, like, oh, everything's great now because I got my face fixed. Or it wasn't as leaning into it as much. I don't know. I feel like I preferred that in vanilla sky. Yeah.

Or I kind of like how in that original, I don't know, he, they kind of just lean into the fact that he is an asshole. And the quandary that comes with, you have a character who's known for one thing, they're rich and pretty, that's all they really resemble. When you take the prettiness away, like, what is left and, like, what does that put the character through? I felt that struggle was better explored in that original than Tom Cruise kind of, like, almost laughing his way through it. I didn't really think about any of the dramatic scenes, you know, as landing that much in Vanilla Sky. yeah i just stark comparison to me okay

i think i'm pretty much done talking about the movie anything else you guys want to say about no i think we're good like it's yeah a very weird movie out of all of these uh sci-fi concept uh reality isn't what it seems type things it's yeah

especially vanilla sky is definitely not up there for me but i would recommend check out open your eyes Yeah, I had a good time of that one. Yeah, definitely check out Open Your Eyes. And I guess if you want to watch this, fine. I wish I'd see it Open Your Eyes First. Yeah. Yeah.

I like Tom Cruise in it. I like some of the soundtrack. I like a lot of it. It's just how it's used at certain points I wasn't a big fan of. And yeah, I don't know. It's basically the same exact movie. It's really hard to judge. The story just kind of saves it, you know?

It's just like, all right, it's such a good story. You can't really. Yeah, it does have that back, but. Yeah, it really, yeah, it does have that. And it has some good actors in it. And yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Do we want to get into ratings?

Yeah, well, not ratings then. How do you rate that? I just give it a three star. I think it's pretty negatively received. So, yeah, I was just a three star. Not like an enthusiastic one, but yeah. It's like, yeah, check it out. Yeah, I think I'm there, like a low three star for me,

six out of ten. And it's, yeah, it's okay. I wasn't like getting upset at this or being annoyed. It's just more of a, yeah, it's comical in comparison with the Hollywoodisms. And when you watch them one after the other, it is funny to compare and really distracting as a result. So maybe if we just talked about vanilla sky without going into Open Your Eyes, it might have leaned a little bit of a different way. But, yeah, I'm probably not going to revisit Vanilla Sky,

but I'd probably happily watch Open Your Eyes at some point again. Yeah, I'm glad I did. I'm glad I get to sit again. Thanks for recommending it. Yeah, because open your eyes was good. I remember the, like, the story, but, you know, so the twist didn't work, like, the scene way. But it was still a good movie. Like, I still enjoyed it.

Plenty of things I didn't remember. I'm giving Vanilla Sky a six out of ten. If the ending wasn't so bad, then it might be a seven. I was, for most of the movie, I was prepared, like, to give it a seven, just like, oh, seven and seven. Like they're both, you know, they both have their strengths and weaknesses and some things work better than others. But yeah, I found it to be an inoffensive remake for the most part, despite being like weirdly comical and points. But I had more fun with Vanilla Sky, but I think Open Your Eyes is a better movie. I was always leaning toward Open Your Eyes.

But, yeah, I enjoyed Vanilla Sky while I was watching it. I definitely think Open Your Eyes is better. Yeah. As far as bad remix are concerned, like it really isn't in that same pile, you know, with like... Oh, it's not like old boy. Yeah, old boy. Yeah, some actual shit. A big thing is like, I think he wanted to make the movie.

I don't know if Cameron Crowe wanted to, but it seemed like a movie he was at least like passionate in and that he wanted to bring something to it. Yeah. And I think that helps a lot. Yeah. It seems like a movie someone actually wanted to make, which, yeah, again, that helps a lot when there's some passion behind the film. and not like a cynical remake, like a Robocop or something like that, like a total recall.

I really like the Beach Boys, but in fact, it just wasn't used well in that movie. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. The soundtrack's good. It's just certain points. It was like not a comedic scene,

and then they were playing like, yeah, some kind of silly or, I don't know. Okay. Okay, let's do some questions from the Sodorant caste community. Head over to the suggestion,

thread on the subreddit and ask us whatever you feel like. I'm actually going to sneak in and ask you guys a question of my own. I don't know why I keep thinking about this. It's nothing to do with movies. It's just like one of these word things. If you guys saw someone pick their nose, what would they be taken out of their nose? What would you say?

Uh-oh. Bougar. A bugger. That's fine. Yeah, I would say bugger. Okay. Because I've had this real thing the past few weeks about the word booger and how it just, it doesn't sound like with a British accent, it doesn't sound right.

Like it, I wanted your guys take on it. Bugger, booger. Especially booger. That sounds funny on the second one, yeah. Do you have a different word? Yeah. Well, I think most people say bogey in the UK. Like, I got a bogey.

Like, that's like a, isn't that like a tennis term? double bogey it is yeah it is it well like the bogey man I always pictured him was like yeah I mean oh I never heard bogey man I heard bogey man though

yeah no I really thought it's yeah it sounds fucked up with a British person says then I'm glad you guys have that's fun that to me

okay that's weird yeah yeah I never yeah I know when I think boge I think like

like I guess the military term like I have a bogey Oh yeah, burgy on my 10th. Oh yeah, yeah, that makes it more fun. Yeah, it does. Yeah.

No, I just had, um, bugger in, like caps, just in the question segment. Oh,

nice. I need to bring that up. But, uh, in other news, um, Fez Knight 64, um,

has a question for us. Is there a famous person who you guys would say no to if he slash she asked to be a guest on the podcast. Someone you say no to. Harvey Weinstein.

I don't know. Kanye West. Yeah. I saw a reply that was saying something like Adam would definitely say what Ben Shapiro you wouldn't have on or something. Because he does movie reviews, right? Like if you genuinely could line up Ben Shapiro

to come on and do an episode. That's a weird. What would you say? A lot of, there's, I often find people have weird. expectations for things I would or would not do. Like, I've talked to and interacted with, like, many of people that I politically disagree with. It's not an endorsement.

So, yeah, I don't know. Like, I would have to think of, like, a... Here's the thing. When it comes to people being guests on this podcast, like, there's a lot of people that I'm friends with politically that I'm just, like, you know, they have more political YouTube channels, but I, like, I don't know if I would want to bring that into the podcast because this is relative.

Sure, we get asked some questions that, where we talk about our own things politically, but I don't know if, I don't know if, yeah, I guess I have, like, a different mind frame of inviting someone on to this podcast versus, like, would I be on their podcast or something? Like, most, you know, I would say I would be on, someone else's show most of the time but I don't know

like you'd have to you'd have to gel well with like the format too and also this is like a fucking hour to half long two hour thing you know that's like a big commitment it's a commitment you need like a good mic and yeah yeah come on time

and record your own thing on your own thing and blah blah blah I feel like it's mainly like do I want to give like someone this platform. It's only that I like hate anyone. That's just mainly what I think about. Like, is this platform like, you know, I don't want to give someone who's like, like Ben Shapiro platform, obviously. So no. But it's not like I hate anybody. I don't know if we'd be making

too much of a difference. That's the thing. It's like a huge commenter. I was just thinking about in terms of like if it was an actual option. Because he does, like, correct me if I'm wrong, but he does like loosely do some like movie content now. He wouldn't have anything substantive to say. He produced a movie too. He produced... That's the thing. Those, like... Oh, Run Hyde Fight, yeah.

Every one of his movie takes is like, he watched the trailer for something woke and then just says this is bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I suppose that's the thing, isn't it? When it's the kind of bad face cultural engagement without actually talking about the art form itself. Yeah. Yeah, that could be like a discount.

Yeah. Like when you hear him talk about like John Lennon's Imagine, like he's not saying anything substantive. He's he's like doing an Armand White approach where he's like, do I agree with this politically? Yes or no? And here let me bullshit about it for a bit. So it's like, I don't know. What about Arm and White? Would you have him on? That would be crazy.

But I don't think he would. It could be a crazy conversation. A lot of these. You wouldn't do it there. Exactly. Like he wouldn't, he wouldn't do it. Yeah. No. I wouldn't want him on. Like a lot of these are just things that I wouldn't I wouldn't even begin trying to set up because it just seems like

a bad idea of like, like, like also you have to remember, like, if we were to have, like, really contentious conversations with people and, you know, hold their feet to the fire on things that they say and all that shit, like, the way that we record these podcasts, we kind of have to have it in a way where at the end of it, they still send us the file of their microphone. Other, like, we can't have it so that someone drops out of the call and they're like, I hate you. Like, we could have a recording going on our own end for sure, but, like, it's not going to sound as good. Like, that's not how the podcast works. So, I don't know. It just seems like,

Yeah. I have no idea. I would never, I try not to make, uh, like yes or no, I would never, or I would, you know, I try not to say those things because I don't know what I'm going to feel like in two years or something. Yeah. Okay. Let's do this one then from Tasawd-Wobbegong. What are your thoughts on the uvra of animation productions, sorry, Arbman Productions, i. Wallace and Gromit, Sean the sheep, chicken run,

etc. What do you think are the studio's best and worst releases? I know we've talked about Wallace and Gromit

before in the past and I don't think you really like it very much at them but they got other options. They got their chicken runs.

They got the pirates, the adventure was scientists or whatever it was called. Yeah, yeah.

They got some fun stop motion stuff either. I'd have to rewatch chicken run. I remember enjoying that when I was younger.

The rest of them I'm just like not super. I think they're working on a sequel for Chicken Run. I think they're doing a sequel for Chicken. You're right, yeah. I think it's an Netflix thing too. Dawn of the Nugget or something.

Chicken Run's good. Chicken Run's a lot of fun. It's been a lot since I've seen it. Yeah, chicken run rules. Chicken Run is awesome. I really liked it as a kid. Really funny. Like a bunch of like, it's really northern, like English Northern,

which is just, I don't know, I feel like it's a rarity in these big, big budget blockbusters to have that kind of, like heart and honesty in it. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Aubman. One of my, because they're based in Bristol, the city of Bristol, which I'm not too far from. And every now and again, they'd have like the, you could go and look at all the models and stuff. So I remember when I was a kid seeing like the, you know, the flying machine and the pie machine

from Chicken Run, like they had the actual models and cases and stuff. And yeah, I love seeing all that and like seeing the behind the scenes and all burnt down in a fire, though, which is quite unfortunate. But yeah, no, I like that movies. So I think that they have a certain charm and like going all the way back to like creature comforts, which was just like a little like show where they went around like recording just people candidly in public and then like stop motion. Isn't it a short? Yeah, yeah. It was like short little episodes like 20 minutes long. just like compilations of

audio of strangers in public but animated to like the Arbman like animals and stuff and yeah really charming I've always been a fan of Arbman maybe not as much like lately early man like didn't really grab me and

I'm not crazy about that Pirates movie I saw that in theaters yeah yeah it was okay it wasn't bad but the Lawson Gromit movie too it doesn't do much I much prefer the stop motion over the like CG stuff they've done. I do like Arthur Christmas.

I was going to mention that. Yeah, flushed away is not very good. But Arthur Christmas, I do. Yeah, Arthur Christmas is much better. Yeah,

that's one of the better movies they've done. And that, yeah, that's a CG animated one, but it's actually decent. I would put that on like every once in a while on Christmas. Not every Christmas,

but yeah, it's a good movie. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. And yeah, that flushed away. That wasn't very good.

No. I wasn't crazy about the Wallace and Gromit movie. either. I mean, it's decent. It's not as good as the shorts. I like the shorts. Yeah, the shorts are better. But it's all right. It's funny. They've got good comedic writing. They're really funny.

I would have to check out some of the shorts, actually. Yeah. I don't think I've seen them. Or maybe I just did when I was younger. I don't know. Yeah, those are the, the Wallace and Grommet shorts are amazing. But they have some of the best action sequences in animation history. They're awesome. Yeah, the penguin one is hilarious.

wrong trousers. Yeah, that one's the best one. It's so charming to me. Oh, man. That one's really funny. Yeah. Oh, my God. Sorry.

I'm just thinking of the short. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm buying a French press coffee thing on Amazon right now. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. Just like the one of the, I'm looking at some of the features. It's like anti-drop design. And I was like, what?

like you have a handle is that what you're saying and then i have to realize i've smashed a couple of this like i guess it's saying anti-drip design is that what they're supposed to be saying i'm not sure so sorry yeah damn you fully leaned into the caffeine life then if you're picking up a french press huh i'm trying to well i'd like to at least have the option to make coffee here and none of my other roommates have you know doesn't mean i'll be drinking it every day so we'll see maybe i'm It's a whole new me. Definitely drink coffee over what you say you had a Red Bull, right? It was just a, yeah, a couple sets.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, next question, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot what we're talking about for a second. Yeah. Let's do this one then from a particular camera 612.

A lot of movies recently, and even throughout history, have been distinctive for their huge sprawling cast of recognisable actors. Examples recently would be Dune, Babylon, Amsterdam, the upcoming Oppenheimer and Barbie, along with past examples like Boogie Knights, Magnolia, JFK, really any old Hollywood epic. My question is, can it sometimes be a distraction from seeing this cast of characters as characters rather than a bunch of actors pretending or feel like a cynical ploy to get people to see the movie? Or is it just dependent on how well they each act, the screen time and whether the film justifies having all these characters and having them be played by these specific actors.

P.S. Movie 43 is obviously the worst example by a landslide. I'll have to agree with him on that. I didn't even think of that one. I remember this coming up when we talked about Dune, right? You felt it was distracting. I felt that way, yeah. But I would say it's dependent on the movie. I, yeah. I just, I felt like I would have benefited personally from like a less recognizable cast for Dune. But, yeah, I don't feel that way about every movie? Yeah, I was feeling that somewhat with, I watched about half of Amsterdam, like a few weeks ago. I really can't remember anything about it,

except that it was star-studded. Yeah, yeah. They were all ways to sit down. Seems like one of those. Yeah, it depends on the movie. You can do it well. There's many movies with great cast that are good movies. No Country for Old Men is a great cast.

And, you know. Yeah. Pulp Fiction. All the obvious ones tend to be quite star-studded. Star-studded cast, great actors, yeah. It's still a good movie. It just depends how you use them, right? Yeah, like that personally, like, it didn't bother me in Dune, for example.

No, not really for me. I thought the casting was fine. I thought the cast was good, yeah. And it's like that balance, isn't it? Where it's like, is a project like Dune even going to get off the ground? Like, such a weird source material, how are you going to sell it? And sometimes that's the only way for these projects to come together. Yeah.

It depends on the project. Yeah. Let's do this one then from Count Brackmore. Do you think that Oscars would be more successful if they adopted a game awards type strategy of having exclusive film announcements and trailers baked into the show? Yeah. I mean, maybe, yeah, if you were allowed to...

The thing about the game awards, too, is like, you're allowed to live stream it. I'm pretty sure. Like, a bunch of Twitch streamers just, like, live stream yeah that that gives uh less time to the people getting the awards also yeah and they already get no time yeah exactly and that's also what the game was kind of gets clowned for is like the fact it's like a big ad and they yeah it's sponsored by mountain dude yeah yeah hell and it's also like the only reason anyone really tunes in you know like well i suppose that's yeah that's the

ridiculous. It's like how do you save it? To watch cringe? Yeah, cringe and then you get a few game announcements and then yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, I've never watched like a full Oscars. I guess I would be more likely to tune in.

But fuck, like that's a big ask. I don't know how you fix the Oscars. The Oscars are a bit more prestigious than like the game awards. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They're not just like an ad campaign. I guess they are. Their ad campaign for the movies nominated.

But yeah, they're not going to like show a trailer for. for, you know, for what even, you know? The new Christopher Nolan film Oppenheimer, which already has a trailer out. Yeah, that. If they just timed it, like, oh, you only get trailer, new trailers, movies and games, yeah. All these announcements, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

There's so much more of a hype culture around games. Well, games are announced. Like, you make a trailer for a game two years before it comes out. Movies are not the same. That's what I mean. You know, like, you put a trailer in the Oscars for a movie coming out in, like, March, like, what the Batman? Yeah.

Like, John Wickfell? four you know whatever's coming yeah more it doesn't really work strategically timed with how they drop their trailers yeah it's way different actually isn't it because they can they can reveal a game with like a pre-rendered like cutscene or something or show us a bunch of shit like winds up not even being in the game like in any form yeah like that's that's a general like kind of um like an occurrence that happens a lot in that industry where how often does that happen movies you get like a completed trailer and then none of it's like in the movie at all yeah although that's kind of like what the Barbie one is but yeah you're right it's like very rare yeah very rare yeah marketing's very

different for both of those things i don't know like i would just i wish the oscars would just try to have a less bullshit just do the awards approach because they're bringing jimmy Kimmel back. I guess they're bringing. Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel's set to do the Oscars again. I guess they're bringing back some of the categories that weren't in it last year. I don't know what they're like, they're still just going to be dicking around for like half of the thing. Doing all this unfunny nonsense that nobody seems to enjoy and except just the people in the room.

Yeah, are they doing that Oscar cheer moment though with the the Flash, whatever one for last year? Like, why don't they just? try doing the Oscars without that? Why don't they just try? It seems like the one thing they haven't tried. It's just do the awards. To actually make it about, yeah. I suppose that's the only thing there's left to try.

They're like, we got to keep it three hours for the ad space. Like, fuck. Why don't you do that? Yeah. The Golden Globes are downstairs except no one cares about that. Probably not even going to watch those. I don't know. I just really don't care about award shows for the most part.

Mm-hmm. Like especially the Oscars like I just yeah it's just something about it You didn't care about the reformed rabbi Bill Clinton Oh fuck yeah the game awards They won game at the year That's a thing yeah Like the game award

I've only watched it once and it was that disastrous year where John McHale like hosted it And he like just didn't give a fuck I was just insulting people the whole time And it was like there was awkward hilarious thing I like that kind of cringe, but I don't know if you ready get that with the Oscars. Yeah, it's so funny because people will ask me every single year, like, consistently,

will you be watching the Game Awards or will you be reacting or streaming the Game Awards? And I'm like, no. Like, why do people watch the Game Awards? And everybody says, oh, because the new trailers, I'm like, but I can watch those on YouTube after. I don't have to sit through this whole thing to get the trailers. I can watch them in better quality after. Yeah. What do you mean?

I don't understand why anybody watches this shit. That's why I do. I just wake up the next day and just get an article up of everything that was announced. Scroll past it in 30 seconds. At least with the Oscars, I make a game out of it, you know? We're like kind of trying to do bets on who's going to win. And, you know, the cringe is a bit more fun. I do my whole commentary thing to it.

I don't know. Yeah. I have no reason to ever watch the Game Awards. So sorry, guys. We don't have any advice on how to fix the Oscars. I mean, they could. try one thing, but they're never going to. Yeah, the one thing.

The one thing they could try. They don't want to do. Have some kind of value, yeah. Mm-hmm. All right, one more. Let's do one more then from a socialist hedgehog. Bar none, the most important film to me personally, is Hadeki Anos, the end of Evangelion. And according to letterboxed in previous Q&As, only Alex has seen it.

Alex, what are your thoughts and do the other sides of any interest in divining? sorry, diving into even Jelian. Yeah, I don't know, man. Do you need to watch the series before the movie? Is it one of those? Yeah, it's kind of like the conclusion to the series. Oh, yeah, it's the end of. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

How long is the series? I've heard good things about it. It's only like 24 episodes, I think. It's pretty short. I saw it when I was like 17, 18. I don't know. I liked a lot of it, but I've never really, some people have like an actual spiritual like almost religious experience with this series and I've like been fascinated with these people and I've like asked people many times to like write in some messages what it is about it and people get like profound meaning out of this anime in particular and it's the deconstruction of mecca anime and all this I don't know I feel like I'm missing something or maybe I wasn't old enough at the time when I watched it because it does get wacky and philosophical.

I don't know, man. But every time I've gone back, it's on Netflix now, I think, the whole show. I'm not sure if the movie is. Yeah, I heard the Netflix always fucks up anime subtitles, though. Oh, dude. They like changed the word shit. That's right.

Yeah, like weird translation. Yeah, that's always like an issue with like anime stuff. But, yeah, I don't know. I like the idea of how much like value people get out of it and how important it seems to be. Yeah. I'll watch it for sure. I'm still waiting for it to click with me.

26 episodes in a movie that doesn't seem like too much of a commitment yeah it's really not too crazy it's more just if you gel with what it's going for between that and like one piece seems like a chore you know sorry it seems like a breeze well this must be like a thousand episode plus by now fucking one piece yeah let's see that's still like that's just the same series happening forever with no end in sight right let's see yeah then they have like whole seasons where they're like episodes 1,050 episodes on IMDB. A thousand and fifty. Wow.

They broke a thousand episodes. Man. How do you even keep track of that? Could you imagine being those voice actors, like just consistent work forever? Damn, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of the golden ticket. Yeah.

Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, I don't think I'm ever going to start one piece. No, I mean, fuck that. Top rated number 73 on IMDB? Wow. Oh, well, that list is kind of. One Piece. Dumb.

Yeah, based on what episodes. You know, like the Simpsons has a high rating on IMDB. It's like, clearly you don't mean the whole show when you rate it like that. That's a better show, probably, Simpsons. Yeah, top rated number 89, but it's like, you're not talking about the whole show. You know, House of the Dragon has like an eight point whatever on there. It's like, oh, please. TV shows do get a bit of a bump in there, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'll definitely check out Evangelion at some point. I don't know when, but I'll do it. Not a big anime watcher, I think I've said before, so probably won't check it out anytime soon. You're not going to start Ralph the Anime Watcher channel? Maybe if I run out of things to watch Ralph the Anime Watcher. Yeah, we'll start a TikTok where I watch anime.

Yeah. Not anytime soon. Sorry. Does it too much for me. and then you do video game cutscenes. All right. I guess that's it for questions, right? Yeah.

Oh yeah, Alex, like, what did you, you didn't really, did you really say, like, how, because you said you watched it when you were younger, I guess? Yeah. No, when I was like 17, 18, I watched the whole thing. Yeah. That's the thing. I didn't really like it that much.

Oh, well, then. All right. Yeah, yeah. But that's why I'm like trying to figure. I've been trying to figure out what it is that I feel like I'm missing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot about mental health or something. I honestly, like the fact I can't really remember anything, I don't know,

says something, but it is like the most beloved anime, like, ever, ever, probably. It's definitely up there. Yep. Maybe one day I'll revisit it. I don't know. Get more out of it. Yeah, maybe. perhaps.

I mean. Okay, I guess that's it for questions. And I think it's my turn to recommend a film. Is it? And just got the 4K Blu-ray for Pulp Fiction. Haven't seen it a while. Let's fucking do it. Bam.

I don't know. I go. Wanted to revisit it for a while. Yeah, so the one before was Boogie Nights, right? Hmm? The one before this was Boogie Nights? The one before, well, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Just making sure of the order. I'm just double-checking the order. Yeah, I don't think. Let's double-check, everybody. Hold on. I think it's my turn. Yeah, boogie nights and the, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's your turn.

Because you did the rival in it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. All right, Paul Fiction. Fuck it. All right. Call, Pope Fiction. Sick.

4K Blu-ray. I wanted to watch it. So let's fucking do it. Oh, yeah. We've got a nice television that I can watch it on. And, uh, all right. Yeah, it's been a while. if you don't want to be spoiled for Pulp Fiction in 1994, I think.

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