Sardonicast - Sardonicast 129: Halo Infinite, Hellraiser, Pulp Fiction

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

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All right, three, two, one. Mm-hmm, this is a tasty burger. I'm Adam from YMS. This is Sardonicast. Hello, everybody. Hi, it's me, Alex from Rachi. And, yeah, nice energy. Thank you.

That's one of the great lines. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Kind of a wacky episode we got this time. Mm-hmm. We're missing a Ralph.

He's out sick. He should be back for the next episode. But yeah, it's just us for this one. The dynamics have changed. Yeah. It's a different vibe. You're saying, you're messaging me, yeah, just the other week, you were messaging me saying, what, nearly five years.

So that's pretty good going of all three of us being in every episode. Yeah. That's actually kind of wacky. That's a pretty consistent five years. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's February, I think. So I think the channel was created in January of five years ago, 2018, I guess.

Man. And then the first podcast was released sometime in February. That's a lot. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, so many things in my life have changed. Yeah, no, straight up. It's just like a blink and misset thing, five years just as you get older, just, just feels like one year.

It does, but it also kind of like feels for, like, forever. There's some things that I've been... How much like stuff has happened, yeah. Yeah, there's some things that, like, once it becomes a part of my routine, like, if I'm doing something for like, I don't know, three months, I'll be like, what, I swear I was doing that for like a year. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So, time can be tricky in both directions, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel like I've reached full, like, synecetic. New York yet. I think I'm still doing fine. Yeah, just at the border. I think I'm still experiencing like... Yeah. Yeah. So,

there's still a bit of echo here in my new setup. Unfortunately, I actually stayed up quite late last night installing some adhesive tape with foam, like acoustic foam. You're like YouTuber foam up. Yeah, yeah. I found what I thought was like, I don't know, a good reasonable price per foam on Amazon

and one that seemed to have a shape that probably worked. And I installed them. And even after I just set them up, it wasn't like, you know, I was still getting some echo. Probably not as much as I am right now because most of them fell. So I need to get better glue. With the adhesive tape, it's not that the tape was bad.

so I just sent you a picture right away. It's not like the tape sucked. It's that because it's trying to attach itself onto foam and it's like it's mostly air that it's trying to attach itself onto. They just like peeled off overnight, which is kind of annoying. The tape's still on the wall. I'll send you the brand of double-sided tape I use because mine have been up like very securely.

You think it's the tape? Yeah. I think it might be because mine have been pretty consistent. I only fell down when it got like really hot in summer and like one or two panes. It was like melted down. But did you all like shrink wrapped? Because I remember the last time I bought like a big like bulk lot of them. I had to like put them all in the in the bath.

Like you had to put water on them to expand them and then wait for them to dry. It's like a whole process. It said there were two options. You either do that or you just leave them out of the shrink wrap for like 24 hours. And then they expand naturally, which was fine. But it smelled like shit. Like the chemically smell. Oh yeah.

I left it in my room and I was just like, holy shit, I could tell when I left the room and came back and just opened the door and like, ugh, and I couldn't breathe. So I just stuck them in the garage for a few days. And then now it's fine. But yeah, I'm thinking what I'm going to do is use some glue, which won't ruin the wall because I'll be gluing it to the existing adhesive tape, which seems to stick to the wall pretty fine. Okay, yeah. I used glue the first time I did it and it was of such a pain in the ass getting that off. I had to like sandpaper it, scrape it off. That's annoying.

Maybe it'll be better on that tape, yeah. Yeah. The most annoying part is me having to like pull out my entire desk again, which is like just heavy. And I don't want to like disassemble everything, you know? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, whatever. So speaking of painful chores, my brother and I actually beat. Halo Infinite recently because they finally released the co-op campaign.

Something that, I don't know, is maybe a crucial part to the experience of Halo. Every bungee game had local co-op from the get-go. Then 3-4-3. Yeah, they patched it in. Yeah, 343 decided no co-op in Halo 5. And I cannot tell you how many people I know that bought Halo 5. expecting to be able to play co-op locally. Like locally.

Yeah, yeah. And then we're just like, what? How come I can't do that? Like... To be honest, in a weird way, they're kind of saved because, uh, that campaign ain't all that, but... Yeah. Yeah, it is a bad precedent.

I know, like, three different couples that were like, we bought this game and the Xbox so that we could play this together, and then we found out we couldn't. Because it would be a shock. It's like, why wouldn't you have that in the newest Halo game? It's obviously a thing. It is to find the whole franchise, like from the beginning, the land parties, the whole, like, going around a friend's house and playing the cat. That was like the whole thing.

Like, oh, I am hyped to hear what you think of this campaign because, honestly, I haven't touched this game around since it came out. And just the more time that passes, the more is souring in my head. And I just, my takeaway is just get this franchise, like a new voice or something. It needs to be, like, taken away from the studio. because they just don't seem to get it. They really don't. It's genuinely, like, embarrassing. It's really, it's really, like, holy shit.

Wow. And, like, constantly throughout the campaign, you're reminded of this whole 343 mantra of, like, we really want to get inside the character of John. And it's like, okay, there's a billion reasons why that sounds like a bad idea, and it betrays the spirit of the rest of the franchise, obviously. But then you look at their attempt at even doing that. And I think like, okay, even if you had that bad idea, you could have a writer or director that could turn it into something not nearly as shit as what this crew created of just like the most cringe worthy, embarrassing dialogue and like the story apparently just like a lot of things happened in between Halo 5 in this game.

And they just say like, oh, wow, all those interesting things happen and they just don't show it. And like... I can't remember it. Did you ever finish Halo 5 or did you just give up on that? No, I dipped at the beginning of Level 2. So I never even... I figured it wasn't that important if, like, Master Chief's not even in the game and it wasn't fun to play. But that was kind of the issue.

They'd written themselves into such a corner. They'd like shit the bed to such a degree. Where to start Halo Infinite where... Like, you think about it, it's their third game in their... As forward. Like, equivalent franchise. Like, think about how Halo 3 starts, right? It's like...

It's just continuing the story. It's like right where you left off, you know what's set up. And it's like just a basic, just, okay, let's just keep going. Like, this is Lord of the Rings or something. And let's go. Here, it's like they've got to reestablish everything again. And they've done that in every single three-four-three Halo game. Yeah.

Every one of them has kind of a different aesthetic, different characters, different visuals, different music. It's like, it's like just bouncing all over the place. Yeah. They're just throwing things at the wall and hoping something sticks. Yeah. So they, like, Cortana's dead. and they have other Cortana, but it's not Cortana, and she's more annoying and stupid.

And she just, like, she's constantly got these sarcastic little, like, quips, like, just constantly complaining. Yeah, but what you just said about, like, Cortana death and trying to add, like, more character to chief or whatever, they already did that in Halo 4. Like, that was, that was, they really attempted that, and it didn't really work that well. And now, I guess, man, the Halo fan base is, like, so desperate.

And at least it, like, it looked like a Halo game a bit more, like, the art direction was a bit more in line. So people, I guess, were more okay with it. Because, I mean, if you look at reviews for the campaign of this game, it's weirdly high. Like, high 80s. And, man, I really don't know what people are experiencing or smoking. I think most people don't give a shit about this campaign story and are just, like, in it. for the multiplayer. And even the campaign, I think most people experiencing that are probably just enjoying

the open world, like, constantly never-ending quests of like, oh, clear this base and you get a thing and you can upgrade and then you can get weapons and blah, blah, blah, blah. This sense of like progressive achievement that a lot of people who play video games really love. And so there's some things that they did well in terms of like making it something that people would want to turn on their console and play for. High bar. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's, it is for them. Yeah, true.

Didn't happen with the last game. So, woo, way to go, three, four, three. But yeah, I, so I will give it some credit in the sense that, like, if all you're looking to do is just dick around and, like, kill some covenants, you know, and it feels like kind like you're playing a Halo game. And there's a grapple. The grapple's fun. Then, you know, those things that they make for some fun stuff.

Yeah, I'm torn on that grapple hook, man. I feel like the grapple's like a, it's a fun idea and premise. It's fun in like Doom Eternal or Titanfall or myriad other games that kind of designed around it. But I feel like it kind of defeats a lot of the fun of like what made those original games work. Like, did you notice how, like, vehicles, like, they're basically irrelevant. They're redundant now.

You can, you have a grapple hook that recharges in a couple of seconds. And when you get good enough with it, you can basically just fly around any environment. Yeah. And just defeat anything with ease. You'd have to take it away. I liked some of the vehicles. And I liked the, what was it, the gun goose or whatever. Yeah.

And I, obviously, you know, ghost is fun. Uh, my big problem is that the environment. environment was kind of like death stranding where it was like am I not supposed to have a vehicle and so you just kind of resort to using the grapple hook to get everywhere

because your vehicle gets stuck on like the tiniest rock and unlike at any other Halo game it's like okay well I'd be able to just like reverse and go forward or like bump it a little bit and then you know get it unjammed and just keep going but this game it's like the design of the maps are just so fucking stupid.

I have to assume that like a big chunk of it was just like, ah, procedurally generated or something like that. Like, not real. Or like, just randomly designed in a way where they weren't considering whether or not you should be able to use a vehicle. It's like, yeah, what is the point of a vehicle anymore? Like, you can only bring it so far. Like, you can't bring it to like the next base because you'll just get it stuck along

the way. Like, it's an absolute rarity. that you'll still be able to have your vehicle by the time you get to somewhere you're actually trying to go, which is just insanely infuriating for a Halo game, especially. In theory, I'm kind of okay

with there being open world elements implemented into the design. They did it in ODST a little bit, but it was very limited and, you know, brief. But it seems like it came at the expense of that linear campaign with the more linear design missions where it's more guided

and they can have the set piece, they can have the moment where a huge ship comes down and the, you know, the gravity goes crazy and things are flying everywhere. There's, like, nothing like that. Like in the linear missions, especially of Halo Infinite, they all just kind of blend into one. It's all extremely forgettable.

It was kind of, by the time we hit the end of the game, I was like, oh, we're near, I guess we're near the end of the game right now. It's like, it didn't really feel. Like, what's the standout level? Like, there isn't one. There is no, There's no memorable level at all.

It's just things you do in the map that are kind of fun and silly with the Rappel hook and just like jumping around and being dumb. Yeah, you're completing your checklist of just quests that you need to do. And none of them are like unique or interesting. They're just kill the bad guys over here, kill the bad guys over here. Yeah, it's more like Far Cry or something. It's bizarre for a HALA game to, for that to be the hook. Yeah.

And Far Cry, the maps are way better design from what I've played. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, much better. I played the third game at least, which seemed to be their first, like, kind of open-worldy kind of... That's the one he's going to play on you. Yeah, yeah. I've heard good things about... Some good things about four anyway. But, yeah, I mean, like, you can still have an open world environment and design it in a way where it's like, oh, yeah, here's how you would get from all these different places with a vehicle.

That's kind of important. You know, like, you should take note of what tools should be at the player's disposal and think about how they're going to use them in the map that you've created. It seems like a lot of teams within 343 were maybe just either working independently or there were enough changes along the way that a team designing for one thing in mind is no longer ideal because somebody else changed something and then added something else and you know like I don't know it just seems like one of those things where nothing feels purposeful nothing feels important you kind of just threw it together and some parts of it worked

but overall it's like yeah not really a campaign yeah so you played not co-op I assume well no yeah it wasn't an option when I was playing I would have, but it's long, like, out of my conscience now, and uninstalled. Yeah. I don't know. It's not really... So it took them forever to make co-op. Yeah.

And even within co-op, there's certain things where I'm like, did you guys even, like, test play this? Like, is this going to get... Like, they clearly just... It was designed as an afterthought. So if you are not the host player, so if you're in someone else's... party and you're just joining the game as a co-op. And so my brother was always the host player. Marines won't follow you or get in your vehicle.

So I could never drive a vehicle and have Marines in it. It would always be my brother would have to drive the vehicle if we wanted Marines to join us. Because it recognized him as the like the actual master chief, I guess. Yeah. Which is just so lame. Yeah, it never used to be like, you could have four people on like separate. monguces in like Halo 3 or like driving around with yeah AI on the back yeah it doesn't seem that complicated in it yeah I mean yeah just things that existed in the other games and it's not like

oh we don't know how they possibly could have done it because they made the master chief collection which is just they have all of the source code and files and everything they could possibly want from the previous games yeah to be able to like dissect it and see what happened and how it worked. Like they literally remastered, you know, re-skinned the other games. So it's not, it shouldn't be a mystery to this team. So. Yeah.

It's like they hate Halo. It's crazy. It's like they were assembled from the beginning to like dismantle it and just use the namesake and just put something together and like try and reinvent itself. And so, no. Just a real guilty spark. Ugh. Yeah. Yeah.

I want to know, uh, because I doubt you played like Halo Wars 2, right? Uh, no, but I played a bit of the first one. Yeah, that's like a crucial part of the story, kind of. That's where the villain is like established, like Atriox. Who made Halo Wars 2? Was it a 3-4-3 game or what? It was a 3-4-3 and I want to say a certain affinity combo. It's an RTS, so it's not like, yeah. It's like kind of a combo team.

They didn't have any involvement with the first Halo Wars, did they? No, I think that was a different team. I think I was ensemble or something. Yeah, I don't think 343 had existed yet. No, but my point being, there's that opening cut scene, isn't there, in Halo Infinite where, like, it's like a pre-rended thing and it ends with, like, that big brute character

who, like, nearly kills him or something. And then he's, like, teased as being dead. and then it shifts to like a different villain, this like screaming, monkey guy. What was that like, if you like didn't play Hello Wars 2, surely it was like a, like a what? Like what is happening right now? I didn't care.

I was just like, yeah. It's like they were trying to rush to figure out some stakes, something. Yeah. Yeah. I was so uninvested. Yeah, the whole story in general. Yeah, we'll take. me what you thought of like the the story as a whole like where it goes like what fucking story

like it was I was just checked out I was talking over a lot of it just because I wasn't anything interesting and occasionally I'd be like okay I'm going to listen to this and then Cortana would well not Cortana would just say something so fucking annoying and I'd just be like oh like there would always just be some absolute cringe oh yeah and then you know I'd hear Steve downs again I'd be like you know maybe now's the time time to like just replace it. He sounds like an old band. This is a real like, which they could have done something. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Like I get it. James Stirl Jones, you got the same guy, but

we don't all last forever. There's gotta be a time. Yeah. There's that cutoff point. Just fucking AI generate him. Yeah, there's that cutoff point where it starts becoming like a bit sad, you know. It's like, oh yeah just let it die it's like what's the point let it rest oh yeah and fucking what's it i don't remember the voice actress that plays cortana but her fake old voice is so bad oh right yeah it's yeah i mean i'm i'm old yeah yeah what about like the whole um because the the flood monsters are like the the main villain of that original trilogy but now that they're stuck yeah they don't exist anymore too difficult to program yeah

clearly um but they're like teasing this new thing that's i can't remember the phrasing but they say something along the lines of it's like it's 10 times more scarier than the flood like their potential for i don't remember that at all i don't even remember that can you but you fight that way the last boss is that like weird creature you know it's like something we haven't seen before i A girl? I don't know, it's like a bug thing. It's like a girl thing. It's like, yeah, it's supposed to be one of this new race.

No gamer has seen before. Yeah, I can't even remember what it was called. It was so forgettable. And they were just like, oh. She was just teleporting and she was not that difficult. Yeah, that thing. And it was kind of like. Yeah.

Yeah. And they were like, oh, this thing has actually been here the whole time. And it's even more ancienter and scarier than that's fun. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they've like spent all the goodwill. Did not leave an impression on me. Because we just did the boss battle of the fucking, you know, the big brute guy with the weird

teeth. Yeah, yeah. And he was much more difficult than she was. Yeah, he's run around with that hammer. And I was like, why are you, why is this the final boss if it's easier? Like, that's weird. Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, weird is just the, that's the word for the whole game.

I mean, and like, when did it come out? 2021, November 2021, yeah. Man, and it's like, well, we're in 2023 now and it's like the same state. You would have thought there'd be some kind of, I thought they were going to go for some kind of destiny. Like every few months, it'd be like a new story to play or something like this. But no. No. Now you can replay levels.

That's like the last big patch or whatever. That's crazy. You can replay levels at the time, yeah. Wow. they really like I just I don't understand them at all because they there's again

you can just think of other dev teams and what they do and there's a certain level of like I don't know expectation or hope that they would do something similar and just like oh I don't you know they'll probably be doing something like this and then they just don't do anything

and it's like you know they spend like a year and a half just like include starting to include things that they said initially we're going to be a part of the base game or like fixing things that were broken and it's like okay it's this has been forever and there's still just a lot of it's just broken you don't see the competitors treating that their biggest IP and you could probably make the argument that halo isn't even Xbox's biggest IP anymore like it doesn't have the gravitas it once does I would say something like like Fawzer, Sea of Thieves

or one of these things that get more. Yeah, Halo's still the biggest. Well, that's what's so shocking, though. You don't see Sony doing this or God at War with Mario, you know, like on Nintendo. They don't treat their face like that. You know, it's crazy to me. And have you read anything about, like,

the behind the scenes of, like, Microsoft is, like, really reliant on contract work as a way to like, they don't have to pay certain... Oh, yeah, yeah, I heard about that. Benefits to employ you. So they have to be in like a 12-month rotation. So that, yeah.

Like, everybody is just trying to figure out... They spend the first six months trying to figure out, like, where the other person that they're taking over for left off. Yeah, yeah. So this is like insane code rot and like, no one knows what's going on. That's so, yeah.

It's like to, like... Yeah. Seems like a bad idea. And they, they, they, wedge themselves like it was supposed to come out when the series sex came out um but like they had to like it i think it like something to do of halo infinite was on the back of the box of the new console yeah that's how much it was riding on it and they they have to delay it a full a full calendar year after that point and even and even now like it's still another calendar year later and what

we're talking about patching in level replay it's actually shocking it's shocking it's shocking Yay, we got Crow up. They needed to just like pack it up. But I guess like they would have spent hundreds of millions on this. Now they have Forge and so the community is going to be creating the most interesting parts about the game. Yeah. If the Halo community didn't exist like, you know, you would be nowhere 343. Yeah.

So they're at the point where they're like, okay, you make our game. So I guess things are going to be okay in some sense. I played a couple of Forge maps. there were some cool things. But yeah, I love community-driven games. I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea how the forge works. Like, I don't know what the limitations are in terms of what you can create,

but hopefully there's some cool shit. I do, I did notice one thing that was kind of irritating, though, is people were creating, like, scale, uh, one-to-one scale versions of other Halo maps. You'd see like, oh, like Blood Gulch or like some other thing. and every single one of them that I see, I'm like, the textures are too shiny. Did you not include non-shiny textures in Forge? Like, what's happening here?

Like, why is every single one of these like way too shiny? Yeah. So I don't know what the limitations are on that, but hopefully they, I guess, fix that. Yeah, that was one of the things, uh, Halo Reach, um, which actually did release with a full package and Forge, like on release day. Like that was one of the problems with that with they built like a bunch of the old maps in Forge, but they all looked a bit like kind of samey and the same kind of palette of kind of textures and things. But you know what?

I take that any day, like a complete package. Like what is the point of adding a feature, like a community feature like that so late when surely the biggest, the biggest audience you're going to reach is when the game first comes out? Like it must be a fraction of a fraction. I don't know, like, I haven't looked on Steam lately how many players it's pulling in, but I mean, it's going to be nothing compared to when it first came out. Yeah, yeah, it's, uh, it's fucked.

I don't, yeah, I'm, there's no hope for 343. This is, it was better than Halo 5. Maybe better than Halo 4 in terms of like, you know, I feel like I could come back to this and like check out some forge things or maybe like dick around in it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

I just searched on the Steam charts. Um, the last 30 days that the peak was 7,000 people. Um, for like a Halo game. Like, that's, it's really not good,

is it? And it had all of the hype. It had every reason to be successful. It just required them not absolutely shitting the bed. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all that it required was just not massively fucking up.

Yeah. And like all the key players are like just trickling out of the studio and it's like, there's barely anyone left. Yeah. They have a few people at the top. But I feel like trying to salvage the game, it's like a waste of time. You might as well just start another one at this point. Like, I don't know if you're going to have like a no man sky like situation.

No. You can kind of patch it to it. At least No Man's Sky, like no one had any expectations. That's the issue, you know? So it was like this rags to riches kind of story of more redemption. Whereas here, it's like, man, it's just sad. It's just sad. Yep.

Very sad. Let's talk about, wait, do we want to give ratings for Halo Infinite actually? Ooh, go quick. You give yours first so I can have a little thing what I'd give it now. Fucking one out of ten because I just don't like. him i don't give a shit is it like i don't know i don't want to give them any credit they're they discussed me they're disappointing i'm not i'm not a professional game reviewer so who gives a shit

yeah man i'd probably give it something pretty low too maybe two or three if you if you include the multiplayer maybe a four or five yeah it's not good not good yeah it's disgusting all right let's talk about uh hellraiser 2022 um um Yeah, so this one came out a few months ago, but we hadn't talked about it. And as far as I know, Ralph still hasn't seen it yet. And so I figured this would probably be a good time to give a little blurb on what we thought, because I was actually curious about what you had to say about it. So I posted a review on my channel.

I guess we'll say if it's spoilers when it gets to it. But, yeah, I posted a review, and I thought it was like a really refreshing horror movie. I love David Bruckner Not everything he's made has been You know like amazing But I've always connected with it in some way And he's always Each one of his films

There's always been moments where I've been able to be Like really appreciating his directing within it So yeah what did you think I liked it I think I'm a little bit below you Because like you I've been drawn to David Bruckner Especially with the ritual

But there's something about that movie. I thought that was a unique setting. I loved the implementation of that, the creature in the movie that kind of, I can't remember where they were in Sweden or the Netherlands or something, that kind of myth angle. I really liked that, really creepy and cool and kind of unique, kind of quaint. But Hellraiser is, it's one of the, it's a franchise, which I don't really have much familiarity with. And I did watch the original, went back and visited that, before watching this one to see kind of what the

the general outline is with these, uh, these demons that, they're like a weird cult, uh, with the, was their hook again?

They're like, steam punk torture, kind of gods. They're like fetishists or something kind of, but, um, yeah, yeah,

it's like, it's a weirdly kind of like, kind of cosmic horror. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a way to put it.

So, yeah, they're in the first film, the way that they kind of set up these Cena Bites, I think is what they're called. That's right. Yeah, the Cina Bites. They don't show up until like at least halfway through the movie in the first Hellraiser. Yeah. And they're almost kind of like a neutral evil in a way where they're not even, they're not even really like killing people because they're, you know, it's like,

like their will. It's like it's like they're using rules that were just set up before they existed and they're just doing what their program to do is like a machine kind of would, but with some personality and just like, well, those are the rules sort of thing. And I mean like even in the first movie, they do kind of give the main character like a chance to save herself. They're like, well, you bring us this person. So yeah, they're kind of, they're not really villains in a way in the first film. And so they kind of change that dynamic in the remake, which I'm all four because you know, you don't need to use the same rules of the first film when you're creating something new. And I feel like it does serve its own narrative function in this way. I don't feel like

I'm missing anything from that. It definitely kind of needed like a refresh too, because how many of those original how ways there were like four or five? I think there's probably at least five. there's a lot of like straight to video ones that are apparently really shit is what people have told me yeah exactly so i only felt like the first one was really worth visiting but i was kind of of the opinion that i i liked the original hellraiser a little bit more but i did respect the approach of this remake um the creature design is fun a lot of like practical effects in there honestly my biggest problem with it was just kind of how long it was i didn't think it needed to be two hours. I feel like

some horror movies like this with the kind of cornyness they have with the goofiness they could they're just like perfect like an hour 45 around this kind of mark I felt just like some of it was unnecessary for what it's doing I mean

yeah it was okay has some memorable scenes I like the bad guy it's like over the top kind of design spoiler discussion I guess the device that was lodged in his chest yeah sorry Um, yeah. Um, yeah, the bad guy was fun and kind of like mustache twirly in a good way.

Yeah, yeah, it was, there, there's some kind of like, you know, campy elements to it, for sure. Um, and I feel like I was, I was taking issue with, um, some of the presentation in the beginning, maybe all the way of the first third of the movie, maybe first half. Like, there was kind of like this weird, um, um. kind of like trailery music where things were like a little too like corny and intense in terms of how it was being presented yeah but over time i found like it was a really like respectful and honest and you know like kind of weirdly character driven in a way the horror movie like i didn't it's so rare that i find myself caring whether or not characters get hurt or die in a horror movie.

Because typically in horror films, despite them being horror movies, most of them are too afraid to present empathetic characters. Most of them are too afraid. Like, you see the average horror movie in the past like fucking, I don't know, 30 years or some shit.

And they intentionally make characters as annoying as possible so that when they die, you're like, yeah! It's like, it's so... frustrating because I think that true horror is having something taken from you that you like is having the experience of like oh shit I didn't want that character to die they didn't deserve it or like I actually feel bad like there's something there that I experienced during this film that I that I realized as I was watching it like fuck I this is kind of what I've been

itching for in horror movies for so long is for me to see a character die and not want them to die and be like, holy shit, like, fuck, this sucks. Like, they didn't deserve it. They were just like kind of the roommate character. They were just there helping out. They like barely, you know, they didn't really do anything wrong. Like, and they got like a terrible horrible, horrible, torturous death that lasted however long. And it's like, fucked apart by chains or whatnot.

Yeah. But I guess, I guess what it was for me was in that original Hellraiser, I really loved that setup of like that, that room and the guy like, like, forming himself slowly through like the different sacrifices. And especially, uh, there's a really great scene early on. There's like the rebirth scene and it's like coming out of the floor with

these practical effects. And it's like really cool and fun. That kind of was carrying it for me like the concept of it. And then in this new one, you're right. It is much more kind of character focused and I like the lead. She was great. I liked her, the Odessa.

as on but otherwise yeah it wasn't they weren't that memorable to me outside of her if I being honest and I didn't feel like there was the like just that that simplistic kind of hook

of like that that main goal of the character like in that original of like just bringing the bodies in and the twisted like nature of that and the weird obsession with this like affair and the brother character and all this, whereas, yeah, I didn't feel that kind of narrative thrust from the new one as much.

Because it's been like a few months since seeing this and honestly some of the details. I can remember that first maybe quite clearly because, again, it's like an hour and a half long, it's simple. This new one, yeah. I remember some of the visuals. I especially remember the way it concludes and what they do with that villain character. But outside of that, yeah, it didn't quite. connect with me on the same level it has with you. Yeah, that's very interesting.

I feel the opposite way for both movies. I feel like I connected with the second one a lot more. And there's more about it that I have in my memory, whereas like the first one, like, yeah, you know, I remember, I remember things like, like the premise and the gore makeup. And yeah, it kind of gets like, I really did not like the ending of the first film. I thought that it was just kind of farted out and just.

But yeah, I mean, like, I guess also just like a huge part of it is like I was never scared watching the first film. Okay, I found some of the, I did find some of the visuals in that original one scary when they're like in that hallway with that weird creature. And it's that practical nature of like when they're hidden in the shadows and there's all this like weird red gungge everywhere. Yeah, it's got a lot of like fun demonic imagery. but then so is the new one to be to be completely fair to it yeah yeah i yeah i think that like so i watched the you know the scene with that like creature chasing them through the hallway um i i wasn't yeah like i i i liked the practical nature of that for sure um but i wasn't like i wasn't like oh no because a i didn't care about the characters and i was just like fucking

kill them like i don't give a shit you know like that that's a big part of it yeah they're pretty paper thin they were annoying and stupid Uh, and, you know, not, not all the shots of the practical effects like worked great. I think that the, the makeup effects for like the gore were pretty fantastic in the original, but like some of them, some of like the puppets and stuff, like you could see the puppeteer's feet like underneath as it's like chasing them. Like, okay. There's a particularly bad shot, like towards the end.

It's like a special effect shot. Yeah. It's like lightning or something like that. And it looks like comically bad. But that was another kind of layer of enjoyment to me was like the, the, when did it come out like 87 it's just like a it seemed fairly low budget and just kind of like shabbled together and like weird details like um i think one of the one of the characters was i can't remember which way around it was i think they were an english actor but they dubbed all of

their lines with like an american or something oh because it was supposed to be set somewhere yeah so like there's this one character who it's got like just this crazy like dubbed thing going on it's like really distracting yeah obviously yes like this is a the 2022, but it's a lot, it's slick, it's like, you're not going to see the seams

in the same way from, I mean, campy. Yeah, with the right director, yeah, you don't.

There's a lot of films nowadays where you do see the seams a lot. But yeah, David Bruckner is like super competent. Um, very talented. And like, I'm,

I'm always excited to see new films from him. And I'm, you know, just happy that he's creating more. But yeah, in terms of, in terms of like the, I guess like the fear factor in the new Hellraiser film like there's there's some things that really

connect with me in terms of what is scary to me and so the when the roommate character is like bleeding out in the back of the truck or whatever the van you know she got stabbed and we get that like really slow like shot where things sort start zooming out backwards and the walls are extending and she's like being, you know, kidnapped basically into the other universe. And it's not like, you know, there's so many other films that were, would just be like, boop, like, oh, what? She like turns around and then turns back and it's like, oh, no, things are different. But the fact that it happens so slowly and you could hear her friends, like, get further in the distance and, like, echoing away. And there was nothing she could do. And she,

you know, just absolutely helpless. That type of, like, fantasy cosmic horror of, like oh there's there's you know other universes that that are there's there's basically magic happening that is so powerful that you can't do anything about it like literally you have no escape it doesn't matter if you run away from them you have absolutely no escape showing that in that way was so effective and terrifying for me because it it really puts you into the perspective of like oh i could understand how experiencing this would be terrifying whereas you know most other movies if it's just like snap of the finger like oh you're in a new environment like that's so overdone and it doesn't really paint a picture in your mind it doesn't really put you in the

shoes of the character that you're watching things like that and then you know i got a i really have to respect the movie for ending in a way where there is like a bittersweet element to it where um it's it's not just oh she lost her brother and you know had the opportunity to you know you to you to save him, but realized it was maybe probably a trick in that, you know, the resurrection thing probably wouldn't have worked out and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the fact that they say to her at the end, like, you're going to live the rest of your life wondering what would have happened. And that in its own way is like a pretty horrific ending, the fact that she doesn't know for

sure, the audience doesn't know for sure. And although we can imagine and we can guess what could have happened, you know, know, if she could have actually saved him, if there was some sort of a way. The fact that the film is so clear about how it will be eating at her, and she, you know, we sense it through the character, and she's a great character and a great actor. Like, it does a lot for me. I love that ending. I love the ideas that it's placing in my head. And I think, I think that that is a genuine horror experience where it leaves you thinking about things in a dark way. And I was also something that I never really got out of the first movie was wanting to experience

more of the lore. Whereas in this film, I was like, oh, shit, like, I wonder what would have happened if they pressed this? And it made me want to, like, you know, check out some of the other Hellraiser films. The first movie didn't make me want to do that. This one made me want to be like, oh, shit, I want to, you know, I want more lore here. I want to like read some books about like what would have happened and, you know, how this works and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I just thought, yeah, I thought it was like so cool and intriguing.

And it's such a rarity for me to be like actively interested in like a universe, like a fictional universe with rules that is created in a current day form where, you know, where I'm like, oh shit, I want to know more about it. You know, like I feel like that's great. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely see what you're saying with that side. bit. But I guess where I differ is more actually that fear factor. Like, if I'm being honest, neither of them were really, like, frightening or scary to me. When we're talking about cosmic horror, what comes to my mind, like, I know, I know you didn't really like it, but annihilation or even the lighthouse to an extent or the mist, something like that? I did like annihilation.

I just, you know. Yeah, it's got its issues. I think it's worth watching multiple times. I just didn't think it was amazing you know I respect it yeah but these are the kind of these those were more like what you were just saying where it leaves these these concepts that are going to stick with you and they're going to frighten you and disturb you in a way that isn't all just like flash someone being ripped apart of chains or any any of the silliness um it's more so yeah a bit more contemplative um been saying that yeah i would i would happily see another one of these movies in this universe with this kind of style of direction and in writing.

I'm seeing David S. Goyer is credited for the story, which is quite weird. He's credited in like fucking every story at this point. Yeah, like what, yeah, I'm confused by what he's actually, is he just like doing the most basic outline and then like, yeah, I don't. Fill in the details, I don't know. He's got a solid lineup of work is what he's got. Like he's clearly, yeah, he's clearly has his friends. He's got something that he's doing to scripts.

Yeah, yeah. He's definitely doing something. yeah i guess i'm just more surprised that if i watched this and didn't know what you thought of it i maybe wouldn't have anticipated this level of uh kind of affection for it so i'm glad you enjoyed it but for me i'm just it wasn't on that level of like i'm not thinking about this like in my dark moments when i'm looking in you know the corner of the room with the lights off yeah not thinking about these kind of concepts i gladly watch it again yeah i think that it's a really effective, really interesting horror movie. And I fucking, I just absolutely love David Bruckner.

So, yeah, like, even on films where, like, I didn't completely connect with it. And, you know, some of his films have, like, you know, in the nighthouse, there was, like, some unintentionally goofy stuff and maybe some annoying stuff with the story. But, like, there's always something super impressive. Like, there's always at least one element of his films that's, like, really impressive. So I don't know if you watched The Nighthouse. I haven't seen that one, no. No, okay. So, no matter what you think of it, after you watch the movie, watch, watch, like, some of the special effects stuff because, like, the, um, the set design, uh, person posted some videos on Twitter that just, like, make everything look, like, way much more impressive than, like, in the actual, like,

there's some things that are just such interesting shots, but you're not sure how they're made. And it's, it's, it's one of those things where it's like, oh, is that digital? I guess that's just, I guess you just did. I guess you just did this whole thing digitally. But then you look at the special features as like, oh, you actually, you did this practically. It's like one of those things that's like lost on you during the watch, unfortunately, because it's such a good effect that it doesn't seem like they actually did it. Okay.

But anyway. What about what do you think of his segment in VHS? Do you remember that? It's the best, it's the absolute best segment that it's literally the best segment ever in VHS. It's the amateur night segment. Yeah. It's never been as good as that. He's the reason why VHS is successful.

Yeah, it's maybe the only one I remember. Yeah. I mean, one of the big reasons, yeah. There's a reason why they started on that one. Yeah, highly recommend Amateur Night. He had the best segment in The Signal, 2007 film that's, you know, fun and campy. Yeah. I'm excited to see him do more stuff.

and yeah, I hope it all goes well. When I watched this Hellraiser film, I was like, I didn't even look what the IMD or Metacritic or anything was on it. I said, yeah, that was great. And then I open it up. I'm like, it's all just like so lukewarm like 50, you know, like five point something. Yeah, yeah, like, kind of went down in the middle. I was just like, what?

I'm like kind of disappointed because in my mind, I was like, this, like, everything that I've been complaining about and just wanting out of a horror movie, I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm getting some of it now. And it's not a perfect movie. There's flaws with it. If anybody wants to check out my review, I go more into it there about some of the things

I didn't like about the movie. But yeah, it feels like I really, you know, I've been wanting these things out of a horror movie, like being able to care about the characters and like some sort of genuinely, terrifying, existential sort of thing. And I get these things. I'm like, yes, yes.

And then I check it out. I'm like, nobody's impressed. Fuck. I'm pissed off because I'm like, well, it's not my ticket that's going to be funding the next film. So I guess I'm just stuck here forever. And like the things I like just don't connect with other people. So I'm just like, I wonder if they sandbagged it with the whole like original Hulu thing.

Yeah, it could have been a theatrical release. I, I bet it was supposed to be before Disney buy it. I think it could. I bet it was one of those like fucking prey things where they're just like, oh, straight to Hulu now. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Some sucks, but whatever. Fuck it. I hope he, let's see what his next project is really quick before he's got upcoming.

Oh yeah, he's doing a segment in the newest VHS movie. So VHS 85 is in production. So that'll be really interesting. That'll be really interesting. I'm really excited. Yeah, there's him.

and who else is directing. Oh, Scott Derrickson, which, you know, not huge on, but could be interesting to see him do like a segment thing. I'm sure his will probably be like one of the better ones, honestly. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about those VHS movies. It's the anthology problem where it's like, even if you have two out of like six or so that are like really bad, like, oh yeah.

It pulls down the whole project for me and I just don't even want to. I know. I know what you mean, but I feel like, at such a low commitment. I'm like, at least this bad one will be over soon and I can judge the next one. And as long as they're not all bad, like, I guess VHS viral, then it's fine. See, I'd given up by then. Okay.

I never saw that one. I would say there's two really fun segments in VHS 99 that are worth watching for. VHS 99 was worth watching. The first segment might make you. you want to unalive in a video game, but none of them are as bad as the first one. And then there's, yeah, there's some good ones in there. Okay. The first one is like, how, like, have you, have you touched a camera?

Yeah, it's all over the place, isn't it? Yeah. Anyway, yeah, ratings for, uh, hellraisers. Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember what I gave the first. one I'll look it up. Oh, for the original. I think I, I think I gave it a yeah, let's do both. A three star kind of more so down the middle. It's really campy and aged and old and yeah, it does have all the the dumb stuff that we kind of talking about, but it's

like a, it was a million dollar budget or something. It was like pretty low. But even in saying that it does seem older than it is, even saying like 87, there are plenty of great horror movies from even before then, which look a lot better for less money. Yeah, I think a three star for that one. Gave that one a five out of ten, it seems, which I think is about fine. It's a movie that, you know, has some stuff that I appreciate about it.

Overall did not connect with me. Some good, some bad. Yeah, and honestly, I think I have the same rating for this 2022 one, three star. Yeah, solid. I enjoyed it. I wouldn't really revisit it anytime soon.

It has its memorable moments. But yeah, that runtime and, yeah, just didn't connect with me the same way it did. And for that cosmic horror, there were kind of other stories I'd visit before this one. Mm-hmm. I give the new Hellraiser an 8 out of 10. It's closer to a 7 than a 9.

Don't get me wrong, but, fuck, I really loved it. Oh, an 8, cool. Did you raise it from a 7? I feel like, did you start with a 7 or something? I don't know. It's an 8 on my IMDB. I'm assuming I gave it an 8 in my video, probably. Okay.

Hell yeah. I'm glad you enjoyed. Yeah, it was like genuinely refreshing. It was like, fuck, I just wish. I wish that the things that I liked in this horror movie were things that other horror directors bothered to include or care about. I just hate this fucking, like, every other horror movie that exists, if you create a sympathetic character, they're going to live.

You know? You don't, you know, nothing bad happened. to like any likable characters in any other horror movie. It's just like you intentionally make them as annoying as fucking possible. Like some like dude, bro, like, blah, blah. And it's like such a fucking trope. Like, I, for horror movies, you should be less afraid to show real emotion and real consequence. I feel like that shit.

Like, it's, you stop being a fucking pussy. Okay? You have a rated R film for adults. Make an adult movie, not for baby brains, please. Thank you. Yeah, it felt adult, whereas like, we never talked about smile, but Jesus Christ. That is a baby movie. Yeah, I haven't looked at how, like, successful it is, but I just imagine, from the first second I saw, like, the trailer for Smile.

I just knew, like, everyone's going to see this, God, that's going to be a huge success. Yeah, that's one of those. Sorry, I'm speaking away from the mic because I was adding Smile to the list of things we might want to talk about in the future. I thought that like It was weird Because there was a moment in time Where I was like Okay yeah for sure everyone's gonna see it

Because it's you know Everybody seems like they're affected by creepy smile I had that marketing campaign Yeah And it's funny because everyone's review was like I thought this was going to be awful But it was actually pretty good It was one of those

Where it's like oh okay So everybody was kind of making fun of it but, you know. Yeah, expectation. You know, they warmed up to it. Yeah, people, in my, in my shame, like, people were, like, laughing at it. Like, it seemed like at it. There were some parts that were just genuinely, like, super fucking funny.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it made over 200 million worldwide off of 17 million budgets, so we'll be seeing more smile. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Smile, too. Smiles. Smiles.

Yeah. I'll give a little quick review. view of this here, why don't we, in case we don't have time to go into detail about it later. But like, my, all I really have, the most definitive thing I can say about Smile is it is like, perhaps the most derivative horror movie of the past, like, it's, it is, it is the amalgamation of every horror film in the past decade to such a degree where there is nothing original about it. every single scene, every single moment, every single editing choice, every single, like,

every single bit, this fucking fraction of this movie has me thinking, oh, this is from the ring, oh, this is from truth or dare, oh, this is from this other movie. And every, yeah, it follows. And every single time it's done worse than the previous film, except maybe truth or dare, being the only exception. And it's just so frustrating how by the books. unpredictable and just like this is if you've seen any other horror movie in the past 10 years I don't understand how this could like be an effective horror movie yeah there's nothing surprising but yeah yeah

it's the formula just stretched out like the the jump scares and like nothing ever really has consequence until like the very very ending like every single scare is like in a vacuum it never like leads to anything really it's yeah yeah yeah if if if smile was a parody film like that's what I was wishing it was by halfway through it. Because honestly, like, it almost seems.

Scary movie, the scary movie franchise, that was a parody of a specific, uh, window in time of horror films. It was like the 90s slasher films. It parodied scream. I know what you did last summer.

And it was this huge like, okay, this is a piece in time of what horror movies are culturally. And we are playing on the tropes of those, those horror films. that's what smile was but it wasn't trying to be funny and I feel like

if it just if it just changed a little bit in tone and it had some extra jokes in there it could have been a fucking fantastic parody movie it genuinely could have that birthday party scene oh yeah yeah yeah

literally unchanged unchanged and it would have fit it would have fit perfectly in a parody horror movie you wouldn't have to change a single moment of that entire birthday party scene yeah that would have so true. Legit. So, yeah, I feel like there was a better movie within Smile. Like, you could literally edit it into a better movie just by making it an intentional parody. Because in that sense,

it's genius because it's like, oh, you're clearly commenting on these endless, obvious tropes from the past 10 years of horror movies. Like, you're clearly commenting on it. But instead, it was being deceptive and pretending like it was its own movie, which is just like, not how you should have gone with it anyway. It's successful though. And I know it's not like anything to do with the quality of the movie, but I don't know what the Kevin Bacon was thinking naming his daughter saucy. Sossy bacon.

Sausages and bacon. It's like, it's almost cruel. That's pretty good. I think I gave Smile like, what, three if you want to do Ring? I think that was a one star for me. These are like these are the horror movies that they just really get under. my skin after about like an hour. It's like, man, you really have nothing.

Do you? Absolutely. Yeah. This is everything we've seen before. I wish it was more honest. I gave it a one. I gave it a three. I think that some of the actors were fine.

Oh my God. Remember A-Train? He sucked in the movie. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, it was so poorly cast and bad. Holy shit. Yeah, but there were some good performances from some other people in it.

And yeah, like, it wasn't as incompetent as it could have been. But still, yeah, just like entirely unoriginal, to such a degree where like, you're not even really watching a movie anymore. You're just like, oh, being reminded of other films that have existed. There's not a single original molecule in this film's entire body. Yeah. Yeah, how many, like, what other basic, like human type things they have left to even turn into like horror movies? We've had like the deaf guy, the blind guy, the now the smiling woman,

running out of these concepts, like, what is even left? Because that's like a big thing in like creepy passes and shit, isn't it? Like, the smiling thing, smile dog or whatever. Like, that's always been like associated with kind of scary imagery. It's all, yeah, the creepy smile just freaks people out, which is just fun to me. I've never, like, I get it to, like, I get like a tiny degree of it, but it doesn't really scare me. And so it was always funny just like,

I don't know, doing that in my videos, like my Frozen review. But then like people, people would be like legitimately scared. They'd be like, whoa. You scared me. Like in the comments, like, that was terrifying.

And then I realized just how effective it was. And then they started making movies just, and that was the whole movie. Like truth or dare or smile. And I'm like, oh, you can literally just, that's the horror now. Like that's the horror movie thing. is you just smile creepy and that's that's it that's the danger I guess some people are just easy to scare

yeah I mean we're all working off of you know emotions and some are baked into our you know instinctual parts of our DNA and fear is one of those things you can just some people have phobia some people are scared of clowns you know apparently a lot of people are scared by people smiling so All right, we're going to talk about Pulp Fiction. It was the film that I recommended. I watched it in 4K on a television that has 4K on it. And I thought it looked great. And I hadn't seen it in a while.

I think it's been probably, I don't know. I want to say somewhere between 5 and 10 years since I've seen it. Yeah, it's probably been about 5 years for me. Yeah. But who knows, I don't have a great perception of 10 years. time anyway. It's a classic. All right, let's move into our ratings. No, let's talk about it. Yeah. What did, what, uh, what do you think? Any, any new kind of revelations watching the film? Kind of, yeah, because obviously it is one of those, uh, osmosis movies. It's been like parody

to death and pop culture. Everyone knows it. All the lines. Everyone knows all the characters. It's just, yeah it's one of those like how do you find a new angle to even like talk about it at this point but um I was watching with someone and when it ended they asked me like oh so what do you think it's actually like about what is what's the meaning of this beyond like because on a surface level it is it's extremely entertaining you know that the dialogue is could be in fun they're always talking about something interesting it's full of typical like tarantino violence and gore and you know blood and drugs and all that kind of stuff you'd expect which can get in but trying to come up with like what what is the film saying more so is really what I was like thinking about and trying to get out of it and especially like the the arcs of these

these three main characters be um uh Vincent, Butch and Jules that's right um and like where they take it and what they're trying to say with it or what I think they're trying to say with it. I don't know if you want to delve into it now or yeah spoiler discussion. I can do it. Yeah, because it's, it's an extremely ambitious movie. This is kind of, it's structure. It's, uh, it's out of order. Characters will exist for just like a single scene and it's kind of jumping all over

the place. And it seems kind of, non-chronological. I remember the first time I saw it. Yeah, non-chronological. And I remember the first time when I watched it, when I was much younger when I would have been like, I don't know, 14, 13. And not really understanding what that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, of structure was was adding to it but it seems to me to be sort of a almost a comment on the

the random and cruel nature of of the world and trying to find some kind of redemption or or meaning in it and using these kind of three lead characters to to make some kind of comment on it whether it be Vincent who's more of a it's more chaotic he whenever anything kind of deep or philosophical comes up he kind of poohs it he doesn't doesn't really want to indulge in it and he's more of a he's kind of more of a nihilistic sort of character he's a Like when he's like a heroin addict in the movie and it's kind of his fault that the Umathurman has the overdose scene and Like his first comment when that happens is something like Oh fuck me and he's like clearly he's he's he's concerned for himself and like he knows because it's established earlier that

Wallace is will kill him. Yeah, that's that's how this stakes are more or less built is that it's not just like, oh, this character's dying. It's like, oh, she's going to die and I'm going to probably get tortured. You know. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually a good, there's that scene early on. The one of the fetish kind of scenes where they're talking about foot massages for like a good few minutes. Exactly.

But it has, it has a good, it brings out like a good, it's establishing the villain effectively. Yeah, it's establishing the. Sakes clearly. That's something that this film does really well. Yeah. And that's a, that's a tell, don't show thing, at least at first. And that's all you would need for that, because eventually you are shown a lot of the Wallace characters kind of power in this universe. And just this idea that, um, uh, Jules, he keeps, he keeps, like, misquoting the Bible, right? Am I wrong in that? That like, this, this quote he keeps bringing up, apparently, like, isn't even in the Bible. Oh, that's funny. are but but like his version of it isn't necessarily like in the bible i don't know i'm not like into scripture or anything so that's something i was reading in the trivia afterwards which is like well i did i did get a funny detail fucking bible confirmation but i don't have the whole thing memorized

but i did notice that his phrasing from the beginning of the movie to the end of the movie his phrasing slightly different so that's something that i picked up on but yeah so i don't i don't know how accurate his translation of the Bible is. And also, if we're being honest, I don't know how accurate any translation of the Bible is. There's been a lot of issues with that. It's what was it originally written in Hebrew, right? Like, I don't know. True. Yeah, that's one like you can go down. Yeah, yeah, of course. It wasn't written in English. So, yeah, that's a good point too. But yeah, in his quote, he says, what is it? Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the

founder of lost children. And through each of these like character arcs, it's this like this cool almost inconsistency where they're not static and they're they're flipping entirely. Like take the character of Wallace, for example, where he is this kind of like king Pinnisque character and he has all this power and he's like, you fear him at the beginning of the movie. But then when you when you go to the the bondage what's it called again the the guy in the basement the gimp that's right

the gimp scene yeah yeah but yeah they take the the most powerful character and kind of humiliate him yeah that's a very interesting direction you don't really see you don't really see that in movies except when it's like you know the like oh I got revenge

like if it's the main character getting revenge at the end of the movie and it's supposed to be satisfying. But this isn't even really a satisfying direction for the character. Like, even though this is like a big, bad, like, crime boss, like, you know, intimidating character that you could say is kind of a villain in ways, but, you know, it's not like a satisfying scene. It's not like, hell, yeah, he's getting what it deserves.

It's like, it's flipping the tables in a way where you've changed the dynamic. You see the character in a different light in a different vulnerability. and it changed it kind of changes how you you know view the character in a way especially by the end of the conclusion of the scene and what ultimately comes of it yeah and the kind of like all these different characters get redemption in different ways throughout the movie and big feeding into that was another question I'd never really thought about um we're like what is the title of the movie actually kind of meme what's it commenting on um and i think it's like the because pulp fiction means uh yeah i got the definition up books

about imaginary characters and events produced in large quantities and intended to be read by many people, but not considered to be a very good quality. So I think it's like an ironic kind of comment on, yeah, in a typical piece of pulp fiction, like the characters will be simple and they will be kind of static and not really change, but let's read between the lines and establish these characters and put them on all these kind of inverse situations and show that there is much more depth to like real humans and yeah yeah exploring that depth also kind of taking characters that you know on paper if you were to give like a reductive surface level description of them they would fit into like these very sort of tropey and familiar roles that

we've seen in many films like okay like hitman character and like yeah like you know the kid tried to rip off the mob boss or the boxer who's supposed to take the fall and doesn't or you know the like even even like the sillier aspects of like oh i'm taking the the boss's wife out on a date and i don't want to you know blah blah and it's like you know i don't know how how often that happens in real life but um yeah you know it it does something much more interesting with these characters that you know otherwise would be just familiar things we've seen before. It's, you know, it's created this weird humanization of, uh, these hitman characters where you, but, you know, you don't often see in films them having just banter and just, you know,

talking about fucking McDonald's and, you know, things like that. Well, they're talking over on the drive over. It's like a funny concept to like take the, the dead air that there would be. And like, what, what would they be talking about? And it's just like the most mundane kind of stuff you can imagine. Yeah. Instead of just. burgers and fast food. A montage and some cool music. Like almost like, you know, you could say reservoir dogs like walking with the sunglasses.

Like it's dismantling or discarding that sort of concept. And yeah, filling in the parts that would be off screen, off camera, like between scenes in any other film. Yeah. Well, like if you take the character of like Butch, he was a boxer, you never see him in a fight. Like it's just not, the story is not interested in showing that kind of act. It's not what it's about at all. It's more about like,

and it's always been like Tarantino's strength that is what the characters are saying. It's the dialogue and especially that. We haven't mentioned like the, the humor that comes from it. I think it's part of what makes it so accessible is it is like darkly funny. It finds it rides that perfect line of like, maybe it's not like a laugh out loud comedy like you might imagine,

you know, like a scary movie or something dumb like that. But it has, it finds that kind of truth in the humor and the, and there is like the, you know, just dressing them up after the accidental death scene and putting them in the Tarantino's like clothes. And there's just so much like clever humor like dotted in there. And it never takes it too far beyond. Yeah.

Yeah, it's really, really interesting. So yeah, this is his, I guess, second film that he directed. When did IMDB change their layout? It's so different. I can see writer. I know, it's quite annoying, isn't it? Where the hell is a director? Writer, actor, producer, and then I'm at the end. Clearly, he's a director. What the fuck? And it's like different on mobile, yeah.

Where's his director credits? What the hell? Oh, that pisses me off. What the fuck? They're owned by Amazon. Like, where actually is it? Like, oh, do you have to press X? Oh, no, no, that doesn't do it. You can't find it either? Yeah, my God. Because I've got it open. Oh, on that top bar, you've got to press director. You have to close the other three that are open because there's more credits for actor, writer, and producer.

He has 21 credits for director. So, yeah, you have to close the other ones. Oh, my God, that was a nightmare. That's ridiculous. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. Okay, so. So second feature.

Yeah. What is this my best friend's birthday here? I've never heard of this. Quinn Tarantino's first feature before, okay, so I was wrong about what his first movie was. Oh, I've never heard of this. Is this like, yeah, I've never heard of this. Yeah, watch this. Like, do you count these?

I don't really know how you counts it, yeah. It's feature length. Yeah, true. And then apparently there was a Reservoir Dog's short. Okay. Yeah, it's like credited as a deleted scene or something in between, but whatever. No, there's like a video before Reservoir Dog. Oh.

It's not even a deleted scene. Anyway, so yeah, Pulp Fiction after Reservoir Dogs. Reservoir Dogs was his breakout film. I think it was a can or something, was it? It was somewhere. Well, it was successful in some way. It got some people's attention. Then he makes Pulp Fiction, and that was just a absolute phenomenon culturally.

Yeah, cemented him, for sure. Yeah. Brought back John Travolta. Yeah. A lot of access careers, probably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's a movie that just, like, apparently, like, everybody saw.

Like, because it was something, you know, pretty fresh and new for the time and, like, very effective in terms of what it was doing and how it was doing it. And there's, you know, the pretty accessible overall, you know, although I have heard the complaint from some people that, like, oh, there's too much talking. It's like, okay, yeah. If you're not interested in the dialogue, if the dialogue isn't fun for you, then I could understand being frustrated by the movie. Yeah, I could see that. But to me, that's the main appeal.

Like, it's, that that's really what is on display, is that script? Is that dialogue being carried by these actors? Yeah, because I was even shocked to read that, like, Danny, Daniel Day Lewis was apparently, like, interested in that John Travolta part. But, like, he was so set on Travolta, like. That's so funny. He turned away like Daniel DeLuiz is like great like

Wow Yeah I There was a He was on a podcast Recently where he was talking Um about some of these things and like casting

especially for that movie and he was saying how Yeah like Bruce Willis like originally he wanted to play that to revolter character as well Like everyone wanted that character Like everyone was like turning away the

kind of side characters And wanted that one Because it is is the lead So he really must have seen something Travolta and it really is kind of his defining role. Yeah. Like picked up his career.

Yeah. It's, it is kind of funny that he revived his career that way. I would say like all of the acting in the movie is great, but I would still say Travolta's performance is the worst out of everyone's, except Quentin Tarantino, maybe. Worse in Quentin. Yeah. Yeah. Except, except Quentin Tarantino's performance.

Yeah, that's my big one is I wish, because I think that's supposed to be Steve Bishami in the role originally. Yeah, I kind of wish that I'd come to fruition because if you show me, it's kind of a bit of an echelon above Tarantino's, like, ability. I feel like... If you don't cast yourself in your own films, then you never get to say the N-word, okay?

So... True. Yeah, he definitely likes that, doesn't he? Oh, yeah, that's... Watching this movie, you'd be like, damn, this is his favorite word. Because like everybody's saying it throughout the entire movie. I'm like, this is way more.

Yeah, I didn't remember it that way. I was pretty young in 1994 and also not in America, but I don't know if people said it. I don't know if it was that common of a word. I can comment on that either. Yeah. Devin loves it in his scripts. This is for sin. Yeah.

Everybody's saying the N-word forever in this movie. It's crazy. Yeah. It's that. And once you know about the foot thing. Like, you can't not see it, like, you're my son. Oh, yeah. Like, she's not wearing shoes in, like, every scene.

Like, she didn't need to be, like, wearing flip-flops on the dance. She's dancing without shoes and, like, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, like, there's some shots where it's just like, it ends with, like, her lifting her, her heel up so you can see the soul of her foot, which, if you didn't know, people who are into feet, like, really love the souls of feet. They love the bottoms of the feet. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I've never really understood. So I'm glad to have that tit bit now. Yeah, yeah. So it's kind of funny because, like, it's any other, if it's any other directory, just imagine that many tit shots in a movie. Just imagine that many shots of a film where it's like, okay, we're going to follow this character walking, but we're only going to see your boobs.

Because that's essentially what he's doing, which is kind of funny. And he wrote it into the script, too. He's like, oh, a foot massage. Yeah. It could go to the dance and like take your shirt off while you're dancing basically. What a guy. It's so funny. He's, uh, yeah, his, his fetish is, is just way in his art to such a huge degree.

And everyone knows it. And he doesn't even seem to care. Like he's just, he owns it. Yeah. Yeah. I do, I do find him a very interesting. interesting person. I like listening to him. It always, it always sounds like he's just done a line of Coke. He's like really...

Quentin? Energetic. He's... Yeah. Whenever you hear him in interviews and stuff, he's a... And he knows this stuff too. He like loves just... He loves film and it's baked into every one of his movies. And it's the only way you can really write something like this is with that knowledge of all these tropes and like, you know, with like Pulp Fiction and trying to find like the the areas that haven't been explored and like seen ideas of like yeah it would be funny if like what if what are people saying what is this couple like the timroff like couple what are they talking about right before they decide to like rob a it was like a coffee shop isn't it or something

random like that is yeah finding just the right angle yeah it was like almost like a spontaneous decision like they were talking like like they might not have done it if they hadn't just decided like oh yeah this is actually a good idea Yeah, and how it like bookends the whole story with the, yeah, the opening and establishing that and then closing and drawing all these threads together. It's like, yeah, expertly crafted in terms of, yeah, that out-of-order structure. Mm-hmm. Sorry, I've got a mouthful of food. My boyfriend just made me a breakfast sandwich and I wanted to have a bit of a lot.

Still worm. He just brought it into the room and it's awesome. Oh, yeah, I forgot his breakfast for you. It's like, yeah, sun's down here. It's 2.30 p.m. Both kind of woke up late. Just one shogam. I'm halfway done this so much, don't we.

Yeah. You've got to chew, though, man. I think you've seen me eat before, right? I don't really have to check. Yeah, because I'm like a really slow eater, so I'm like the inverse. So like chew like every bite, making sure it's like paste before it goes down. No. No, there's like, I'll never forget there was like 10 years ago, the most drunk I ever was

in my life, like waking up and finding like some vomit in the shower. And I was like, those are just whole pieces of shrimp. Like, there are entire shrimps there. You're just eating it like a dog or something. I'm not even chewing. Yeah, like a horse, I guess. Fuck. Almost fun.

Be worried though if you found a shrimp in a horse's gullet. Hmm. Delicious. That's making me hungry. That's really good. Yeah, there's a lot about this movie that I appreciate in terms of its presentation. There aren't many cuts at all in the movie. No.

A lot of long takes. Yeah, not that many locations either. They kind of just stick to like really strong scenes. Yeah. Yeah, some long scenes. scenes where you just get to absorb the characters and just, yeah, just really, you just get to soak things in in a way that you don't often get to do in most films. Yeah, but it doesn't feel like at the expense of like scope. It still feels like a big city

in this big like intertwining story of like more that's going on outside it, you know. Yeah, one of my favorite shots was Butch walking through the fence. And just like, you know, how he decides to not park directly outside his apartment while he thinks he's going to get killed, how the camera goes through it. And just, yeah, it's a really nice, smooth shot. You don't feel like, oh, yeah, you know, there's no, like, shaking cameraman jumping through the hole or whatever. It's clearly, like, passed off to somebody. But, yeah, really smooth transition in that way. Yeah, it's, it's, um, something that I picked up on about this film is that there's a lot of,

uh, there's a lot of like 60s nostalgia in it. Um, yeah, which is funny, because that's like a 30 years later sort of thing. And right now all, you know, a lot of 90s nostalgia is existing 30 years later. Yeah, this thing comes in cycles, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And just like, I, I, I, love the whole um the briefcase mcuffin mcuffins can be like so kind of annoying um or just like you know unobtainium you know something silly something goofy yeah um just the just the reservation of having that the characters like comment on like what's inside it like just like they're the audience members like what is in there like what is it what's in the box thinking about and yeah yeah what's in the boy it's yeah it's joj abrams you know the the mystery box like right there um

But it's not like, instead of like one of his stories, it's not like a core component. It's just an excuse to get things moving. It's really not like a focus or. Yeah. And it's not. Yeah. It's not like everyone's McGuffin anyway. Like Bruce Willis has the watch, which I thought was like really cool and clearly established.

And, you know, the, if you took the briefcase out of the story and just replaced it with a lot of money, the story would work just as well. Yeah. Or a diamond or something. Yeah, yeah. But it's the, it's the. style it's how it's choosing like I saw a picture um earlier of the what the what the inside of the briefcase actually looks like and it's like yeah on set so it casts that yeah on set so it looks like yeah it casts that kind of yellow light so it looks like yeah something mystical or magical or gold

or whatever whatever you want to impose onto it um yeah yeah and that scene with the the watch is like a crazy weird like cameo moment of christopher walking coming in and talking about the Oh, I love it. And just the phrasing of it, too, is he just says, just get in my ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, again, with the balancing the comedy just right, but it also gives him, like, a really strong motivation for needing to go back to his place so he can have that little, little showdown. Yeah, a reasonable excuse for the character, especially if he's, like, tormented by it in his dreams every night, you know? Yeah, and for how, like, normally it's, like, a real, put off in stories and movies where coincidence or accidents are like kind of one of the main

thrusts or like just part of the plot like be it the uh um the scene where jewels like the the guy comes out of the closet and like misses the entire yeah every shot with that gun and or or the yeah just the the randomness and the the the kind of and it's self-aware, seeming randomness of everything. Yeah, it knows it doesn't really matter. It's more of like what they're saying and where it takes the characters. And it, I don't know, it just doesn't bother me because it is self-aware and it does know what it's doing and what it's trying to say with it.

Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's intentionally subverting and like breaking the rules of other similar films that you might have seen or similar concepts. Yeah. Yeah. You know, having that excuse for, you know, even just the comedic. angle of it of the guy coming out and shooting and missing and then getting blown away instantly after just that moment of silence of like them realizing they didn't get shot like that functions comedically and then immediately after it serves a new function and it goes into Jules's sort of redemption

and his him saying it was an act from God and then the conversation in the car and then even during that conversation we have another sort of like subversion where Vincent accidentally blows the guy's head off in the back seat who like barely ever said anything he's just like gone in an instant just like whoa like that never happens you know like just immediately yeah like oops i guess i just shot like i just hit a bump or something like you could even take that as like um what was the because now i'm realizing like what was the line that he was saying like when i'm pretty sure they might have been arguing about like the idea of divine intervention at that moment like that might have been the question that he was asking.

Oh, yeah, I think you're right. So you could, you could even take that as like the script or the film being, being like, oh, that is a sign from God. Like, God pulled the trigger there or something. Like, perhaps, you know, because he insisted he didn't do it. And Sam Jackson was like, I didn't hit a bump. And then having these two characters, um, both taking inverse kind of interpretations from these miracles, quote, unquote.

And then the repercussions of it. Because, like, Vincent, you see, he doesn't change at all, and he's executed while he's... Exactly. Just taking a shit. Where jewels are, as far as we know. Yeah, it could have been jewels there if he didn't decide to stop. Yeah. And then, like, Butch, like, he has his kind of redemption where he chooses to go back and save Wallace and the kind of good that comes from that.

Through all this randomness, yeah, I guess it's kind of about, like, the choices that you make based on the chaos that is... late before you. Yeah. Huge theme of redemption is just like the consistent, I guess, kind of like through line in the film. So I not only love the soundtrack choices in most Quentin Tarantino films, but what I love about Quentin Tarantino and how he writes and structures his films, he so clearly does it around the music in a lot of scenes. Yeah.

You can tell that he's a guy that he'll like a song and then he'll get inspired by it and be like, oh, wouldn't it be cool if I showed this while a song was playing? Like, guaranteed, like, he did that with stuck in the middle with you, you know, like. And then there's songs in this film where you can tell it's not just like, oh, add the song in post, you know, transitionary scene. They'll play this song. Oh, yeah, not at all. It's baked into the script.

While they're driving to other locations, they're like, you know, Vincent's singing along to like certain parts of the song. It's like, okay, yeah, this was before you started filming, you knew what song was going to play there, which is really cool. I love how Quentin Tarantino does that. You know, he did that for, um, uh, and kill Bill. You know, he was like, I think he said he was in Japan and heard a, uh, the, a song on the radio and figured out who it was and was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to put the, this in the,

uh, it was like the five, six, seven, eights or whatever that, uh, yo-hoo, yeah, yeah, or whatever. Yeah, and he's like, oh yeah, I'm going to put that in the film, decides where to put it in the film, then gets the band to like perform live in the scenario of the crazy 88, you know, scene. And like, just a lot of really cool consideration for not only choice of music, but how it's used in the film. And that's just, that's something that not a lot of directors do. And I like that he's a very musical oriented person, even if he's never made a musical, I guess. Yeah.

But yeah, that kind of detail and thoughtfulness goes into every element, whether it be the soundtrack, whether it be costume design or it's so expressive of like what he's doing with this cast of characters and what's trying to say with them. And it's difficult to pick like a best line of dialogue or a best character moment. You have like these little bit characters. Like Uma Thurman's like she's barely in the movie and the same with this the wolf clean up guy and all the Christopher Walken like little little. scene there. There's so much going on and so much like depth to it. It's always like surprising you where it's going, where it's going to take you, just how much like really goes on in the movie. It just like jumps all over the place, but it stays cohesive. And yeah, it starts off and gets quite broad and narrows back down towards the end with that returning to the Tim Roth

heist scene. And yeah, it feels really clean. I think for me, this is my favorite. Tarantino script at least. Overall, like, just with that dialogue and just how inventive and unseen, it still kind of is to this day, like, how do you really copy this movie or try and ape the things it's doing? Like, he did it, you know? Yeah. You can't really...

It is special. You can't really mimic the sort of... Yeah, it's definitely special. And I feel like it only comes from the brain of someone who's, like, really... really creative and knows his stuff. Yeah, it's really kind of a wonder. And you do get something new kind of every time you see it to, whether it be a line of dialogue.

Oh, yeah, I didn't really think about it that way, like how much that stuck with me. Like, I love that, that Uma Thurman line where she's talking about, there's that lull in the conversation and Trevolta takes a sip from his Coke and then they start talking about that lull. And, yeah, there's just so much. much great dialogue, so many great moments. There's a reason it sits where it does, you know. Yeah, I want to give a shout out to Sally Minka, if that's how her name is pronounced,

because she worked with Quentin Tarantino for like basically all of his films since Reservoir Dogs. She edited his films. And so much of the voice in his films is from the editing. Like the editing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Quinn Tarantino, don't get me wrong. Super talented.

Amazing director, amazing writer. But the editing is such a crucial part in his films. And, yeah, she is, she's fantastic. And she worked with him for, yeah, all of his films up until Inglorious Bastards was the last one that she worked on because she died. And I don't remember how. Yeah. And you do notice, like a, there is kind of a pacing. shift. Yeah, after that point. All the films before that film a bit tighter, definitely for sure.

As much as I love, especially like the hateful light, it is more noticeable. Yeah, I'd agree with yeah. It's very, yeah, everything after that point is like very different editing for sure. Yeah. It's, it's very expressive. It's very fantastically paced. Yeah, the information is communicated really effectively. Oh yeah, the, um, something that really stuck out to me when I, watched it this time was the sound design. And there's some aspects to it that are not perfect. Like there's some, you know, some gunshot or impact sound effects like the car crash and stuff like that. Some of those sound a bit dated. But what I really appreciated was the kind of like environmental atmospheric sound design choices. So, you know, like while he's, Bruce Willis is walking

through the fence and all the different sounds of like environment you can hear as you're going by or like in the Bonnie situation when they're you know, Quinn Tarantino's pouring coffee and saying the N-word, you can hear all the like birds chirping in the background and, you know, it gives like a good indication of like even like time of day. It's like just a little nice atmospheric sound design choices that really help to fill in the space, the audio space of the scene. And I thought that that was done super, super well. Really appreciated it this time around. Yeah.

There's not really much as far as like on a technical level that stood out to me. There's only one shot that kind of didn't look that great to me. And that was when Bruce Willis is in the back of the cab. But that has to be intentional, right? Because it's like the footage in the background is like black and white. It must be right. Yeah. It's so silly looking.

It's like rear projection. It's like, yeah. It's like black and white footage in the background. So I have to assume that that's intentional. That's just a weird choice. Like a style. Yeah, because there are like little kind of stylistic things just sprinkled in like don't be a square.

Yeah, don't be a rectangle. Just the one time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The one time they only do it in the whole movie. You know, anything kind of like that. Yeah, it's full of like stuff like that. When she finds the bag of heroin thinks it's Coke, she says, hello, but there's a

second audio track, another take of her saying hello, played at the exact same time. You know, that never happens again in the entire movie. That's just like an interesting double audio thing going on. Yeah. There was like a weird, when Bruce Willis makes his way into the gun shop or whatever, and yeah, he gets knocked out by the butt of the rifle or shotgun or whatever weapon. It's the weirdest thing in the whole movie for me in terms of like cuts because it cuts to a super close shot of Bruce Willis's face during the impact.

And it cuts and the shot lasts for like five frames or something. It's the quickest shot in the entire movie. And I always found that kind of weird. But watching it now like I can understand probably why you would have had that shot. Like, you know, maybe in a wider shot, the, it wasn't cheated. as well and it didn't look like he was being hit or something like I don't know but it was interesting and it stood out yeah they do that a few times with the the cheats like when when he uses the katana and it's like framed in such a way where like you don't actually have to see the impact

because yeah i mean i really mentioned the budget it was a what eight million dollars at the time with five million of it going to that cast so yeah well i mean considering it's like yeah weird and experimental and it never really shows Because, yeah, that script is really, really is what's carrying it, for me, at least, and, like, where I'm getting most of that, that meaning and the everything I'm remembering about it for the most part is mostly, like, the conversations and the way the characters are communicating it to the audience and just how unpredictable and all over the place it is, and in the best of ways.

Mm-hmm. So, yeah, it won best writing, the Oscars. makes sense. It was also nominated for Best Picture, best actor John Travolta, Best actor Sam Jackson, supporting, actress supporting Emma Thurman,

director Quentin Tarantino, and editing, Sally Menke, if that's how he pronounced her name. Yeah, this was a big movie, it was an Oscar movie. It won the Palm Door.

Like, this, yeah, again, we've already mentioned just the cultural impact. Like, this is one of the most quotable movies, one of the most parodied movies.

Like, my boyfriend was introducing me to the show, The Boondocks. And they were like, it was like, yeah, a couple days after I watched Pulp Fiction, I was like, oh, they're parodying Pulp Fiction at the moment. Yeah, it's so ubiquitous. Isn't it like in Space Jam? Yeah, there's a Pulp Fiction reference in Space Jam.

Yeah. Yeah, it's just totally ubiquitous. And there's a reason for it. it. Yeah. It's totally deserved. It is on the IMDB top 250 currently at number eight. What do you think about that?

Wow. Okay. What's above it? Like Avengers. All right. From one to ten, we got Shashank, Godfather, Dark Knight, Godfather, Part 2, 12 Angry Men, 1957. Schindler's list, Lord of the Rings, the Return of the King, Pulp Fiction,

Lord of the Rings, the Fellowship of the Ring, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, 1969. Okay. So no Avengers in there. Okay. Yeah, I think it's deserved. I definitely prefer the script above some of those ones you just listed. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's got like, what, 2.1 million votes just on IMDB alone. Like, yeah, I felt like a weird kind of experimental film, I guess. Apparently, Bruce Willis agreeing to be involved was like huge for its marketability. on a worldwide scale. That makes sense. He was getting involved in it because he was like huge during this era in the 90s. So having him on board was like a big deal.

Yeah. Yeah, die hard had been out for a few years. And he was doing a lot of stuff. Yeah, that's really cool. I understand why it's so well-loved and so big. And yeah, it's crazy. It's, uh, don't see a lot. lot of movies like it. And I just think it would be like just imagine, imagine being an adult and

like into films to the degree that we are and seeing an artist like Quentin Tarantino emerge in real time. Like imagine, imagine seeing reservoir dogs and then like Pulp Fiction comes out and just being like, holy shit, like watching the artist grow like that and like kill Bill's not even out yet, you know, like what a ride. Yeah. Because of course he was already well established by the time I was into his movies because what this came out of the year I was born so it's quite nuts to think of a yeah very interesting director very interesting character and what was he is he making one more movie or something yeah on that podcast I was listening to he was saying about that how I was kind of understanding his thought process hearing him describe it where he's saying he

didn't want to he didn't want to turn into one of those directors that's like makes the the old man movies as he put it you know like a Robert Zemeckis or something where it's like uh he wants his catalog to kind of be remembered and for it to be like an event he doesn't want to make the new Pinocchio yeah shocking I know like

I mean like fucking Scorsese's doing some stuff still and he's not like he hasn't tarnished his reputation doing it yeah it can be done but I feel like there are probably more examples of the inverse than Scorsese's, you know. Yeah, just don't be a goofball.

Oh, wait, too late for him, actually. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, how could I forget? Obviously, most important, contributor to the film, Harvey Weinstein. Give it up for Harvey. Yeah, it's a shame they can't. Paramax.

Take him out of the credits, but he's, yeah, he was a, yeah, whenever you listen to interviews where, like, he's talking about this era, he's like yeah I went over to Harvey's house and it's like oh my best friend Harvey Weinstein yeah if you want to hear him I think um I think he went on like Joe Rogan and addressed it a little bit oh yeah probably um yeah that is that is like quite a stain because he is he was intimately involved in the majority of his catalog um yeah like every film yeah yeah yeah big oops yeah that's yeah makes you if you have enough Hollywood connection

like you're going to be associated with some bad shit at some point. Oh yeah, it's kind of, yeah, part for the parcel with that one. Oh, oops. All my friends are cancelled. Dang it. All right, yeah, love the movie. What else can we say? It's a classic.

10 out of 10. Yeah, I'm right there with you a 10 out 10, 5 star. Yeah. If you haven't seen it, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, and even if you just, just listen to us talk about the whole thing, you know, you can't really spoil the movie. It's not like a movie like, oh, no, now you know what happens.

And now you can't watch it. Like, just watch the movie. It's still great. Yeah. It's about the experience. Yeah. Really, really effectively communicated tension, you know, the silences and the, you know, just in between the, yeah, lots of great effectively communicated stakes, intention, humor, lots of

interesting conversations. great movie. I will say, after having watched this recently, I think Kill Bill is still my favorite. Really? My favorite QT. Oh, yeah. I'll hold that for when we hopefully do it in the future. It has been a while since I've seen... Waiting for a 4K. Yeah. Have you ever seen the whole bloody affair, or is that not? That's not a thing that anyone has seen unless they were in Japan during its only theatrical release. It's so annoying. It's so annoying when they include this stuff like in these lists.

And it's like, okay, I want to watch that. Oh, like it's this random hyper-specific thing. Yeah. Yeah. So it's basically both films edited into one and they don't have that cliffhanger line at the end of the first film of Bill saying, okay. Does she know it's blank, blank, blank, spoilers, you know. Mm-hmm.

So. Yeah. All right. So that's my understanding. But I would still love to see it because I consider. both films to basically be one movie anyway. Like, I just think of it as Kill Bill. Yeah.

But yeah. Yeah, I'm going to have to revisit those. When a 4K comes out, we'll watch it. Yeah. Which should be any day now, hopefully. Probably, oh, maybe this year. Yeah, it seems quite random when they decide to release these things. Yeah.

All right, question time. Awesome. Let's do some questions then from the Sardonicast community. Head over to the subreddit where there's a suggestion thread. You can ask us whatever you feel like. just like Jaden Egan 54 did. Speaking of, actually, when do you think physical media

will officially die out for film and television? As someone who buys records and films, I feel more secure buying vinyl instead of 4K slash Blu-ray discs as I don't worry about updating to a new format or the jump will be seeing from 4K to 8K in a few years. I also feel that both vinyl and digital will hold different places in the industry wireless for movies.

As modern video games, people see physical and digital as interchange. Will big companies update with the times and start making new hardware and software to support these higher resolutions? Or in the near future, will big companies bite the bullet and go all digital? Interesting question. Because I've kind of jumped more on the digital bandwagon because I was like, it's frustrating every few years. You obviously want the best picture and it's going to be, you're going to have to like refresh your whole library, which I know you're into doing. Yeah, I just sell the old ones.

Yeah, yeah. Speaking of the video games, I found this interesting stat that apparently, this is just on like Sony consoles as the data, but according to Sony now, 80% of their game sales are digital. If you just think even 10 years ago, it was way more the other direction and just how quickly it shifted. And I feel like with the streaming kind of, especially with, COVID fast forwarding it.

It's way more of a standard now. I feel like it's becoming like, unless you're really into the hobby, are people like rushing out to buy 4K Blu-Rays? I don't know. A small percentage of the population. So overall physical media sales are down, but of those existing physical media sales, 4K Blu-ray is higher than it's ever been.

Like as a piece of that pie, it is taking up more. I don't remember the exact statistics of it, but I might actually have something in my phone, actually. I think I was going to bring this up as like a movie news thing, actually, hold on. Oh, really? Yeah, hold on. I'm just wondering, like, yeah, we're seeing technology shifts and moves these things so quickly, especially when you are talking about like an 8K.

So are you willing to do that whole process again, where you're like, you sell off all your 4Ks and get the 8K equivalents? Well, I couldn't find the article, but I'm not exactly worried about 8K taking over because A, your TV would have to be fucking huge, first of all. Yeah. And I do have a huge TV, but I don't have any issues with the 4K, that's for sure. B, the fact that, like, physical media on its own is shrinking at the moment. Yeah, yeah. There's no one's going to be adopting a new.

disk format for 8K and like transferring old films to that like a lot of the existing transfers that exist for even like blue rays are already just like 4K transfers like it's very rare from what I understand for a film to be transferred in 8K from a film so they would have to do a lot more work 8K content does exist they have you know there's 8k HDMI cables and there's 8K television, but like, I don't even, I don't, I don't even know where you would go to find 8K video in terms of like something available on like a streaming platform or, like, does YouTube support 8K? I don't know. I'm not worried about a disc, a new, a new physical media format replacing 4K at the moment, because we haven't even gotten into like the full library of

4K. We've barely, we don't even have kill bill. on 4k. We don't even have most of Quentin Tarantino's movies in 4K. There's a bunch of bullshit that's not even out on 4K yet. So I would not be worried about 8K anytime soon, maybe ever. Like, I don't know how it would be adopted. There's also like the marketing issue. Exactly. Like who's going to fucking, who's going to buy it? Like how do you, yeah, like how do you sell that to somebody? If let's say like two more console generations from now, Sony is using like an 8K Blu-ray disc just to have their games on it. I still don't even think, like, because consoles are like dying out too.

Like, Sony's releasing all their games on PC, right? Like, they're becoming like more useless and just having to keep creating, you know, new console versions just to keep up. Yeah, they're finally starting to twig the frame rate matters. And all their sales are digital now. So like, why would they, you know, are they really going to adopt that? Like, maybe. Maybe it'll exist, but I'm not worried about it becoming the new standard.

And I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be replacing my television as soon as like 8K becomes a thing, if it becomes a thing. Like I'm going to wait like at least a couple of years. And I don't even think it's going to happen. So. Yeah. It really doesn't seem like. Because at least with 4K, when that was kind of first coming out, it was alongside HDR for the

most part too, which is also kind of a big deal. Like what are they going to do? you know i just don't see how they can really push it widely without just like the the 1% of the 1% jumping in on this this 8k thing because it will just be so expensive yeah i mean like it's something that technically already exists i just don't know if you can like get a movie in that way yeah yeah i'm not worried about it yeah me neither okay let's do uh let's do this one from a zezion 5-8-13. Not necessarily about movies, but an interesting one, nonetheless.

What are some tips to handle stress? What do you do to relieve some tension from work, life, etc? I mean... A bit more of a deep point. Yeah, different things for different people. There's some... Exercise is a big one. Exercise is a huge one.

It's a huge one. It's true, though. But yeah. Yeah, it is like a meme at this point. Consistent exercise? Yeah, consistent. Yeah. Even if it's just like going for a walk, genuinely.

even just just getting just getting yourself moving in some way getting those endorphins really soon and getting some vitamin d like your body needs like there's like a checklist of things you might not even think about that your body gets just from doing a little bit of exercise yeah like if if i get like really like pissed off about something which you know like to such a degree where it's like uncommon sometimes i'll just like i'll be like i'll just do some fucking push-ups or something you know and i feel so much better or like oh like all all like clean something in the house or I'll just do something that like involves some sort of physical like yeah movement to you know kind of get that aggression out or whatever and you do feel

better doing something that you know you can argue is like productive too I feel or at least I do you know yeah yeah feeling productive yeah I'm a big fan of like mindfulness and kind of deep breathing type stuff that works too getting getting that the chaos of your mind under control takes some It's like an ongoing battle, but, you know, there are ways you can, basically, just like exercise, like force your body, basically, to, like, try and get into a better state with, be it, like, deep breathing, be it, you know, these mindfulness kind of exercises or, yeah, wherever you find that, that relief, yeah, cleaning's another one too, like, just somebody to get, get out of your head because it's easy to, especially when you're stressed to fucking just get way down.

Cleaning's cathartic. Yeah, I absolutely find a cathartic. Like if you got like a fucking huge mess or something, like when you start, you know, organizing stuff and like throwing out stuff you don't need and things start coming together and you've got like a better space, especially if it's like your room and your, you know, just a space that you're commonly using. Like it feels better to not, you know, you mess. Yeah, like a big sort out, a big, yeah.

It's almost like sorting out your own head when you're, yeah, sorting out your old clothes, sorting out your old paperwork, just garbage, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. There's, uh, yeah. Like, I, there's some things that work well for some people and other people, but, you know, as long as you're not doing something that becomes like a destructive habit, you know, like some, some people you could say like, oh, yeah, just like, you know, or if you're feeling stressed out, like, order that your favorite food you've wanted.

But then it's like, okay, well, then if you're doing that all the time, then you might have, like, you could turn that into an eating disorder easily. Yeah, yeah. You know, like any, any sort of vice, you know, food, drug, you know, masturbation, anything. Yeah, the unfortunate truth is, yeah, balance, trying to find some kind of healthy balance is what's so. Yeah, it's, I think the best advice is to try not to consistently resort to quick fixes, no matter what that quick fix might be, because otherwise you're just kind of like, I don't know, chasing the endorphins and then it's, Yeah. It's not.

Yeah. It turns into like a worse cycle. Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Okay, how about this one? From Toys Noise. What's your favorite and least favorite thing about your country? My favorite is probably the sense of humor.

I do quite like the dry, uh, um, kind of miserable. Everyone's just like miserable. Like I love hearing like, especially when like Ralph's talking about people like, cheering and clapping in theaters and reacting to things. And it's just like, man, we're so, we're so like dower here in comparison. It's like a really funny contrast to me. I get a lot of joy from that, a sense of humor. You do your favorite.

What's your favorite thing about the Canucks? My favorite thing about Canada is, I guess, probably just like the stereotypes. It's like the least, you know, it's like, oh, you're nice. That's quite, yeah, that's a pretty good stereotype. But have all the stereotypes out there. So, like, wow, okay. Yeah. It's a good, a pretty, a pretty not bad impression on like the global scale, I guess,

in terms of like cultural personality, I guess. Yeah. As far as a least favorite thing, Matt, we have a real bad class issue in the UK. It's like, it's really bad. I don't know what it's like and kind of did, but... It's getting shit everywhere. It's just, yeah, the existing systems that, you know, when the richest people in the country have more political say than over time slowly,

you know, some country's faster than other. Wow, the gap is growing larger. Oh, no, these problems are getting worse and more people are falling into poverty. Like, fuck. Like, I can see why some people hate capitalism, you know? Yeah. Like, you got to fucking. regulate that shit if you want it to work.

Absolutely. Yeah, it's sad. Seeing the things people really focus themselves on and just get caught up in this culture or stuff and they don't see the actual forest with the trees in terms of like the stuff that matters that is going on around us. Yeah. Yeah, I think that the overwhelming majority of issues that people face could be

not, perhaps not 100% solved, but made infinitely better by addressing wealth inequality. I think that that would be like a huge first for, yeah, like, most situations are like a byproduct of that, even when it comes to like, you know, crime and like mental health. Like it's all a lot of this shit is just stemmed from poverty, like murderers. Like a knock on effect. Yeah. Yeah.

Like now all these people like, fuck. So I'm like visiting America right now. And just like this country, it just has such a fuck you guys. mind mentality. And it exists. It's not the only country where this exists, but it's like a really like big mentality here where it's just like, oh,

well, you're on your own. And you can only ignore it for so long before it's like, oh, why is there so much crime and poverty? And like, I'm trying to, I'm just trying to go out for a fancy meal and there's homeless people everywhere.

Someone's going to stab me. It's like, yeah, because you've been ignoring this problem for fucking friends. Like, you can't just be like, oh, yeah,

I'll just hope to never interact with a, a huge portion of the population for forever. And then it's like, okay, well, now more people in the population's growing. There's more people that are being affected in this way. It's going to fucking catch up to you eventually. You know, it doesn't matter how fucking rich you are. There's going to be poor people in your neighborhood eventually. If you're hogging all the wealth and you're allowing everybody else to get poor and there's

no social safety net, it's like, holy shit, you don't think it's ever going to catch up to you? Jesus Christ. So, yeah, the richest people in the country just try as hard as they can to be like further away from poverty or further away from poor people or further away from like any of the crime. But like like you, you know, the cities are where all the, you know, amenities and the, arts and like everything interesting is, right? So like rich people are going to go into the cities still to go to the good restaurants and like, you know, like you can't fucking avoid it. Like there has to be some sort of, some sort of at least attempt to address the problem.

Actually, Adam, you've just got to pick yourself up by your bootstraps. Oh, fuck, I forgot my bootstraps. I'm holding everyone back. God damn it. Yeah. If you just work yourself to death, then that will solve it. Yeah. Then you get yours at least.

So yeah, my least favorite thing about Canada would, yeah, would also just be, I would just say like general corruption, even though like on the corruption scale in terms of like countries, whenever it's graded by whatever fucking organization, Canada appears to be like pretty close to the top, like globally, if I'm not mistaken, in terms of like, like, not corrupted countries. But I mean, it still fucking exists here. And it's still noticeable. And it's like, yeah, like, fuck you, Justin Trudeau.

Like, do something about the telecom companies. We're being ripped off by them. Like, there's an oligopoly basically of like three companies that own every internet and telephone provider that are just, they all adjust their prices at the same time. And we pay more globally per capita than like any other country, like for our wireless and our internet rates. and yeah, again, poverty, like, that's a big fucking thing. The cost of living when it comes to, like, homes and rent, you know, like, even if you're not a homeowner, like, rent's, like, fucking ridiculous and so many places in Canada.

Like, so, yeah, it's really a lot of issues that need to be addressed. And the fact that, I think the fact that Canada does have such a good, like, social standing. and we have like, we kind of have like a bit of an ego about it, especially because we're just right next to America forever and we're just, you know, the contrast is quite astute. All of our news cycle, like nothing interesting happens in Canada. So all of our news is just like, oh, some fucking crazy shit happened in the US. We're just looking at that.

Like, oh, wow, they can't, they're not even agreeing on who won the election. Sort of like, yeah, our news cycle is constantly like, look at that crazy shit that's going on over there. And so we get lulled. into this like this kind of idea of of there's there's too many people that are like complacent here and not paying attention to our own politics which is kind of unfortunate and so we kind of allow certain things to happen and certain things to get unchecked like Canadians love to gloat about like our free healthcare but there's a lot of issues that we've been experiencing with our health care in recent years that are not a result of it being a socialized system but a result of it not

being properly funded and being kept in check. So it's all done provincially, essentially. And so, yeah, we've basically been gifted this, like, fantastic set of opportunities by having, like, socialized government-run healthcare. And we're just kind of allowing it to be, like, slowly dismantled and slowly fall through the cracks. We're not paying our doctors enough. there's a huge shortage of family doctors so you know as soon as some are retiring then it's like oh well good luck can't find a family doctor you can't find someone to specialize for you so i have to go to like fucking walk-in clinics to like pick up a prescription and then like hope that i got the same doctor as last time you know oh yeah no it's exactly it's it's probably worse here

i'd imagine yeah it's it's fucked it's absolutely and it's just it's embarrassing and disappointing that there are people you know like trudeau that pretend to be, you know, for the average person. But like, you're fucking either absolutely completely unaware of what the average person is going through or you just don't care. You're either so stupid and out of touch that you're not aware or you are aware and you're an asshole.

So, yeah, like, go fuck yourself. They're just like, they're different types of humans almost. Yeah. I never voted for the guy. Despite the blackface, which was super cool. double double double elected post blackface prime industry

really funny but yeah and yeah another thing it's just you know voting system I wish it wasn't first past the post I wish we had ranked choice voting in our federal elections portion representation would be good yeah I feel like a lot of a lot of issues would be solved if you know it was more democratic of a process

and people weren't strategically voting because they were, you know, scared of another party getting in power, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, lesser of two evils sort of thing. Like, you should be able to do rank choice and vote for the party that you want. But yeah, just general wish things would be better from a governmental perspective, wish that politicians weren't as corrupt and wish, you know, income inequality. It's all part of the same thing. It's just people in power are assholes that only care about their rich friends.

and everybody voting is just like asleep at the wheel and we're going to wonder like oh what all these things that used to make our country so great are not there anymore and then we're just like we're going to look back at this generation of people in Canada the same way we look back at like boomers right now of like wow you let the entire world go to shit

like you were at the wheel why didn't you do anything about it but people are just fucking stupid and unaware like everybody yeah we're absolutely screwed I'm a doomer again. No, we're just saying about how to clear our heads of stress. Oh, yeah. Oops.

All right, you got one more, one more question, I guess. Okay, let's end on this one then from NG at SB 33. Hello, Sardinians. Being a filmmaker slash YouTuber, one might have to face unnecessary harsh criticism on the internet. How do you all deal with criticism from randos? do you feel the need to engage or do you just ignore it? And what advice can you give to a person dealing with shit talkers on the internet when you're only trying to promote your art slash content?

I care about it a lot less than I used to because... Yes. You know, I was always... It took a long time to learn that a lot of people are just not good faith. Oh, yeah, big time. And, you know, as a person that has, you know, been self-critical my whole life, and that's just a part of me growing as a person, is keeping myself in check,

then obviously, you know, I would want to hear feedback from other people that I would hope are in good faith trying to keep me in check. But there's a lot of people, you just eventually have to learn. A lot of people are just like either stupid or assholes are both.

Yeah, especially when it's like anonymous people, you know, where you don't know, like, what state they're in, who they are, where they're even, what country even, they're commenting.

Or if they're 14 or not. not. Yeah, they could literally be eight-year-olds. Yeah. Yeah. Eventually, you just have to, you know, try to be your own best, toughest critic, try to help, you know, if your community's saying something, pay attention to your community, but don't let, you know, some, again, I guess they use the word randos in the question, don't let some randos that, like, will pretend to be a part of your community or just like the smallest, tiniest, section of your community where like they're not reflecting the majority of people like

sometimes people will upvote something on Reddit because they want to see a response to it not necessarily because they agree to it but they're interested in what your response would be yeah sometimes it's there's this unintentional kind of uh feedback loop created by social media where even if the majority of people are on your side about something if there's this huge like dog piling of the other perspective most people just won't want to jump in there because they don't want to be dog piled. So if they see someone like shitting on me for something, even if most of my audience or even

most people or like it's sizable amount of people, even if most people agree with me and don't think it's like unreasonable, not a lot of people are just going to jump in and into the conversation. So you just also have to be aware of that, that there's a lot of people that, you know, care about you and respect you and appreciate you. But even if they're not as vocal every single time and there's just going to be a lot of shitty people that are really vocal, like a, yeah, really annoying minority that's very loud. That always helps to remember is just how much of a minority, especially on YouTube, what commenters are.

If you actually break down the stats of views to likes to comments, like the comments are just such a fraction of a fraction of people watching that it's like, yeah, it's easy to get bogged down in it, but you just got to remind yourself, like, man, this is this is a vocal minority, especially those who like write the, the mega walls of text, you know, like, all this kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, I just, yeah, at this point, I just like block people. Like, I don't care anymore. Like, I've done the whole fucking, what is it, 12 years or whatever of like, you know, like, oh, I'll, you know, spend my valuable time, like, trying to reach through to these people and, like, convince them of, like, a misunderstanding that they have or try to understand

where they're coming from. It's like, okay, well, the number of people watching and the number of people commenting and the amount of, like, absolute bad faith people that there are at this point, like, I'm sorry, I don't have the time anymore. I'm sorry, and I've been through it. Yeah, they're not worth the time. Yeah. It's just, it's, if I hadn't already gone through the motions of this so many times, you know. Yeah, you just kind of get numb. Yeah, after a while, you realize that there's no point. And especially with me, like, trying to not type as much with my tendon issues like what am I going to do record a voice message for these people no sorry like I'm not wasting my I'm not wasting my time or my mental energy or my physical health on these people so yeah yeah

I don't feel bad about about blocking at this point no because it's just like yeah if you you know it's not difficult to create a new account and if it's not worth it to create a new account then you didn't really lose a much so if it's not worth it for you to create a new account then it can't possibly be that big of a deal. That is what I like about muting though if you mute someone and they can keep going on into their void but you don't have to see any of it. It's beautiful. Yeah, I did that for a while and on Twitter it still shows the like, oh, you muted this person and then it's just like okay. Yeah, yeah. Then it's like, okay, well, am I curious enough to see what they're saying sort of thing? And so blocking just kind of takes away that temptation. Yeah. It's just

the only thing about blocking is it can like it can become a game for some people oh i know i know but then i i thought you know there's several layers to this what's really interesting is so i thought for a while that muting instead of blocking was this sort of like you know kind of like oh yeah well because i don't want them to be to get the satisfaction of me blocking them but then i realized that the only reason i didn't want that was because of how i was concerned it would reflect on me to people who saw the screenshot of like, oh, they blocked me. And then that would make other people think that I'm sensitive or something. But then I realized like, oh, wait, the true not giving a fuck is not even caring if other people

would think that I'm sensitive. Like, you don't know what a block means. Like, you don't know. If I block somebody, it could be over like literally nothing. You don't know if it like got to me, right? Like there's very few things that get to me at all, right? So if you want to pretend you have that said, If you want to be like, oh, wow, it looks like I really got him with this one and not just like, oh, I found you stupid and annoying and I just blocked you. That's fine. And I realized at this point that because I care less about what people think of me, now I'm blocking more. Does that make sense? No, that does make sense. Yeah, I've not really thought about it. Yeah. The only reason I wasn't blocking before is because I was concerned about the idea of people thinking, how it looked for someone to block something. But now I just literally don't give a shit. So it's kind of funny how it like wraps back around. It. And

into itself. Yeah, maybe that is the answer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. All right.

That was a good question. And I guess it's time for a recommendation. It is Ralph's turn. And he shared the recommendation for the next episode with us. So we're just going to read it. Mean Girls 2004. Interesting. And so, yeah, Ralph says he should be back for the next episode.

and I haven't seen this since it came out probably. So this will be really interesting. I've never seen it in full. I've never seen it in full. So I've never seen like bits and pieces. So yeah, this should be interesting. I remember when I was in either junior high or high school.

And I don't necessarily remember like a whole lot about the movie itself. But I remember it as being the movie that everyone had seen. I'd be like, wow, everybody just saw this movie. Yeah, it is one of those. I didn't know a single person that hadn't seen mean Mean girls So this will be really interesting All right

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