Sardonicast - Sardonicast 130: GDT Pinocchio, Glass Onion, Mean Girls

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

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Three, two, one. That was so fetch. I'm Adam from your movie sex. This is Sardonic cast and we're trying to make fetch happen. Stop trying to make fetch happen. Why not? Yeah, stop him, man. That was the turning point of the film.

You realize. Why would it happen though? So 2000 late. Hi, everybody. I'm back. How's it going? How are you guys? Hello.

I'm done good. Yeah, good. I guess I'll wedge my intro bit in. Just introducing our names is like such a- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who are you?

Who are you? It's been a while. Who are you guys? That was another quote from the movie actually. Her mom said, who? Yeah. Who are you? I've got a quote, but I think it might get the video flagged if I say some of the quotes from

the video. Oh. The R-star. Copyright strike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, I guess I'm Alex from R.G. Welcome.

Yeah. Oh, in case you're curious, the acoustic foam paneling, there's, I haven't glued them yet, but at least the ones that I used the regular adhesive on, there's two left out of the 20. The rest of falling off. Just slowly over time. I'll just be doing shit up by death. Like, oh, there's another one. Yeah, so I've got to get some proper glue for that.

And so hopefully, by the. by the next episode, I guess. I'm just like, oh, fuck, you know, like, got to pull my whole desk out again and everything's on it and just get fucking, you know, stand on a bench to get at the top ones. And then even when I had them all up, it wasn't even like, I don't know, didn't completely get rid of the echo. So I got to do more shit with this room.

Just an annoying, daunting task. Yeah, I put the noise panel things up too. They keep falling. Yeah, with the fuck. Yeah, with the tape. I need a ton of tape on there. You just need to fill the room with stuff. I know.

Big curtains. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. It was so effortless in my Vancouver room because there was just crammed with so much shit. But now we got like more space and it's like this, this, I guess, first world problem. The content create a problem. Yeah. The trials and tribulations.

Blessing and a curse at the same time. I love having more space. I love being able to have more space. But fuck, now the audio doesn't sound as good. Got to become a hoarder now. Mm-hmm. No, man. I could fill the room with things like wooden boys.

Speaking of that, we saw Giermo del Toro's Pinocchio. Not your best segue. Oh, really? I thought it was my best. I like that. Thank you. All right. You're the odd one out here, Alex.

Oh, that's awesome. What do we think? Awesome. The good one. Yeah. I don't know what it was about. 22, just Pinocchio fever that year. And it's funny when you search, like, on IMDB for this movie, like, it specifies, Guillermo del Torres.

Everyone remember that it's him because you want to distance yourself from it, the other one as much as possible. And they are inverse movies. We're talking about that Zemeckis one. Like, that's an example of how to not make just a movie full stop pretty much. Like, just do the inverse and you basically get this. The original title for this one was just Pinocchio. And then they were like, we better put Guillermo del Toro's name at the beginning. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I can't really blame them for doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Nice to see some stop motion again. True. Stop motion this smooth as well. Looks great.

Oh, you know it's fucking crazy? I recognize this just by watching it, and I'm so glad I was proven right. The animation team behind this film also worked on the shivering truth. I noticed their character models were like pretty similar. That's the show, the newest PFFR show, so the people that made Xavier, Renegate Angel, Wonder shows in The Heart She Holler. Highly, highly recommended, by the way. The shivering truth is like maybe their best show.

But yeah, just a little shout out there. Really great animation. Cool. Just as great animation for like television as well on their show. So really great stuff. Yeah, I really enjoyed this. Shadow Machine, I think they're called. Yeah, good take on the story.

I like what he did with it. Spoilers. More playing with that period, right? Like Mussolini's in the movie and they kind of play with that stuff. I thought that was fun. Oh, yeah, spoilers. I guess this is unique. Okay, we can just talk.

This is a spoiler discussion, everybody. Yeah. It's fucking Pinocchio. It's public domain. Yeah, so on Netflix. You got no excuse to not. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I remember when we were talking about that Zemeckos movie, I think you said it, Adam, about how the story is just kind of, like, it's really quite random, like, all over the places. Yeah. It's a really connects the threads. It's a collection of short stories that Disney decided to make into a movie one day, and then everybody associates it as being a movie now, even though it wasn't originally. Yeah. So it definitely needed some like tweaking and readjusting.

And I feel like you did find the right angle by setting it like in World War II and having them Salini and especially giving it that kind of myth interpretation with him continuously dying and really leaning into the whole like he's not a real boy. Yeah. That was kind of interesting. Yeah. You could bring out all those like character designs that Guillaume is known for. And there's a bunch to like chew on with that.

Yeah. Yeah. I really noticed like the differences. and the similarities too like there's such things that are exactly the same yeah and there's things that are like they don't go to Pleasure Island all

um yeah I wasn't afraid to take out the stuff that like would have like weighed it down if they felt the need to just shove it in like the Pleasure Island like the whole donkey stuff like it didn't you know it didn't serve this version of it so I'm glad they didn't just shove it in there yeah it was a clever spin

and he like loved the material or he had like some kind of respect for it you could tell it seemed like they made this movie with like... Yeah, I'm glad it deviated. Yeah. It deviated where it needed to to tell the version of the story, like, he wanted. And I think it pretty much worked.

Like, I thought it hit home. Yeah. Like, at the end, especially. Like, the ending of this one, like, compared to the newest one. The Disney one. It was really bad, that one. What's interesting about how they deviated is, like, they still managed to include some of the beats of the original story, like the, you know, trapped in a whale and like all these other things.

Yeah, the fox and that kind of thing. When it happened in this story, it was actually quite fascinating for me because I have watched, I don't know, like a dozen Pinocchio movies in the past year, my mind is broken. It sucks. It was a, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. But despite that, watching this one most recently, when things started coming up like the, you know, oh, Petro's Trapped in a Whale, blah, blah, blah, like what he gets eaten. I didn't even see that coming because it just flowed so naturally.

And when it got to that point, it wasn't like every single other Pinocchio movie. It's like, oh, we have this on the checklist and we're going into the next scene because this is on the checklist. It was like, oh, no, like, I understood why he was going to, like, going on a boat to get Pinocchio and why he thought the other movies, he just decided, oh, Pinocchio must be in the ocean, even though there was no reason for him to believe that. like that's like basically the other movies it's just like oh they get there and they don't care how they get there but because they cared how the characters were getting from point A to point

B here I never thought I didn't even have point B in mind I was just kind of naturally watching the logical natural direction of where the story and the characters were going and so I was like oh shit I guess we are getting these beats in the story it was really surprising and interesting yeah yeah when we talked about the Disney one we mentioned and how it just, it kind of felt like a bunch of short films stitched together. And this really didn't have that problem because, yeah, the pacing was just much better. They did a better job of like, yeah, they did a good job of incorporating characters like into the movie, like at multiple points.

So it didn't just feel like a bunch of short films stitched together. It was the most sensible Pinocchio plot. And it was because they didn't follow it faithfully. Because, yeah, like, I'm sorry. It's public domain. It kind of sucks. I wish we had more things in the public domain. We just got the first movie with sound in it this year in the public domain.

That's how fucking far back we are. We need to, we need this to be a bit more sensible. We need to skip forward like 50 years. So literally the first movie with sound. Yeah, what if like Lord of the ranks was public domain? Yeah, why not? We get a better show than Amazon made, probably.

Just by some random fans. Yeah, you still get the fan-made stuff. But yeah, like a full-fledged show. Anyway, back on Pinocchio. Yeah, the movie looks beautiful. I like the music, too. It's the guy usually works with Wes Anderson, right? Alexander Duskloat.

He's worked with Germo like twice now already. And it's kind of a musical, too. Like, I like the songs they wrote for it. They were cute. I liked the instrumentation for the songs. Oh, you didn't really like it. I disliked the lyricism and I disliked how. brazen the use of autotune was.

And yeah, it was just, it was grading to the ears when it came to the lyricism of most of the songs. The one song, which I think got nominated for Golden Globe, I forget what's called, but there was one track where I'm like, okay, at least it, at least you can't tell that there's as much auto tune here and the lyricism isn't as bad on this song. But I found it to be a huge problem with most of the songs in the film. Hmm, all right. I really like the score.

Yeah. I was more kind of confused how I was surprised when it's, the songs began. I was like, oh, this is also kind of a musical take as well, but then huge chunks of the movie have like no musical numbers. So I was like,

oh, so it's what. It didn't really feel like balance in terms of like it. I really don't think of it as a musical like first, even though it has those musical elements. Like, I didn't need that part of the movie necessarily. There was enough going on for me.

me for that to like not really need to be there even though I guess it leans into the the showman angle and him being like a performer in the movie like it's still yeah I don't really didn't gel with me yeah I guess that's fun I guess you don't like the music to me it's just kind of it would kind of be kind of dry without it because it is supposed to be a family film like sort of you know Pinocchio is a family story that's one of the things I like about it it's like you're almost missing a beat if you're choosing stop motion as your medium and you don't kind of have some like terror and scariness in there because it is kind of it's creepy looking. Yeah but it almost would have been like too morbid you know like it's like

all about death and Nazis and this and it's like okay we need like something to break it up like some music or yeah I get what you're saying too. That's what I like though about like the best kind of kids movies are the ones that don't treat them like they're dumb like it's dealing with like kind of heavy themes and like the bad guy like at the end of the movie if we're talking spoilers like he falls off a cliff and like smacks onto a rock and it like doesn't cut away it's like kind of like brutal yeah and all the World War II elements it's like quite heavy I thought when the bomb went off that like everybody was dead I was like it was the type of movie or like did they just kill everybody it was like

what's that movie yeah what's that movie with the with the nuclear buff oh yeah that British one it's like that yeah threads oh threads yeah it's like that yeah it's hard turn into threads. I wasn't put off by the music being in the film. I wasn't put off by the ratio of music to non-music because like, you know, the Lion King, you don't necessarily think of as a musical, but there's tons of musical songs in it in the same way. You know, a lot of it is without music. But I'd want to listen to those outside of the movie. Oh, yeah, exactly. That's its biggest problem is Alexander Desplah did a great job arranging the songs musically, orchestrally. I think that they sounded good in that sense.

But, like, I don't know. I forget who wrote the lyrics, but they were, we were doing a watch-along to it. And I'm pretty sure someone in chat was like, okay, yeah, they've done, like, basically nothing. This was, like, their first thing. And they were just friends with somebody. And so it kind of shows, yeah, fact check me on that if I'm wrong. But, yeah, the lyricism was so fucking weak at points that it was just, er, it was so

disappointing because I'm like, you could communicate. some of the same things, just like in a better way that didn't seem as stupid, because the rest of the movie, the writing is pretty great. Like, everything's so sensible in terms of how characters are motivated

and, you know, the humor mostly lands. And then, yeah, just some parts of the movie. Like, the poop song, like, that was the one part where I'm like, okay, you're trying to be funny and it's not landing. And it's just kind of weird.

And then fuck that auto-tune. It's just absolutely horrendous for every character that isn't Pinocchio. the auto tune is just like, oh, like, what are you doing? Yeah. At least, yeah, at least the Pinocchio character seems to match what the auto tune is turning it into enough that it's not as noticeable. But, fuck, very, very missed opportunity with the music.

It's holding it back, in my opinion. But yeah, to me, that was really the only thing that bothered me as far as, like, presentation and everything. Everything else was, like, really consistent for me and surprising. and yeah, surprisingly dark, all those character designs. One of the, like, most insulting, annoying things about that Zemeckas Pinocchio to me was that they didn't even, like, try or care about, like, the design of the characters, especially, like, Pinocchio. There's so much room to, like, do something with that character design. And I love the, like, one ear and have the stump of the wood on the back of his head and the bullet hole that he gets.

It's, like, just implementing the ideas in a much smarter way and, like, bringing the whole lying nose growth thing. and it's kind of how they get out of the whale at the end. Like, it's way more thoughtful. Like, yeah. And I spin on the stuff you kind of expect. Uh-huh. Just the acting was much better in this too. Oh, much better, yeah.

From everywhere. But much better cast. Oh, fucking, who was the monkey again? It was like, was it Kate Blanchett or who was it? Tilda Swinton. Oh, was it? I didn't know that. No, Tilda Swinton was the, um, the chimera.

Or whatever. Yeah, I think it was Kate Blanchette doing the monkey character. Yeah, it was. And that was like a weirdly expressive vocal performance for that, too. That was awesome. That's funny. I was shocked to have like that kind of a side comic relief. Yeah, Kate Blanchettis, Spazette, Tazza, I forget how they pronounced it.

And then, yeah, Christoph Waltz. Yeah, Tiltos Swinton is the moon wood spray. I like David Bradley as Chappato. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, we got it. Ewan, which is a pretty nice. nice step up from Joseph Gordon Levitt's Pinocchio.

He was much better. He was so much better. His fucking cricket voice or whatever. Joseph Gordon Levitt in that movie, yeah, he fucking sucked. I lowered my rating for that. Yeah. I just kept thinking back to that one. I'm like, that movie fucking sucked.

That's maybe like one of the worst voice performances I've ever heard. One that like stands out in an already bad movie. It's just one of the worst movies like of the year. I don't know what they were thinking. Yeah. That whole movie is a disaster, right? This was so much better. So, much better.

Yeah. So I would say this probably has the best shot at winning, like, best animated feature, I think. Yeah. Academy likes Guillermo. What Pixar movie was it up against? Because that's normally what? Light year? I can't even think.

Like, Pixar's just been at all of it. Lightyear and turning red. Yeah, this is much. Oh, yeah. Turning Red might get it actually. You're right. Maybe. It won't be light year.

We'll see what happens. The Academy likes Germa. This was better than Lightyear, that's for sure. Yeah. Wouldn't it be funny if it's just not even nominated? That would be funny. You know, at this point, I wouldn't even be surprised. It's the Academy. Yeah. Coverage. I'm just thinking about it. This story is like so saturated to the point, like,

just seeing Puss and Boots the other day, like, Jimmy Cricket, like, is in that movie as well. It's like, just never ending. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for that. We could talk about that next time. Yeah. Yeah. Puss and Boots and Boots was good.

I really liked it. Another animated movie. better than light year. Yeah. Yeah, I like these tiny little changes to the familiar story that make things so much more motivated. Like, you know, the cricket character in this one being like, no, that's my home. And it's like, okay, I get why you're, you know, around this character living with them, not just like, oh, you're just here because the omniscient story character told you to do this. It's just like, oh, okay.

It makes no sense. There's a motivated reason why he's sort of attached to this wooden boy. Like he was living. That was his tree home before, right? So tiny things like that. And just what they do with the characters is just so much more purposeful and emotionally effective. Like what they did with Geppetto essentially, like it's more or less his arc rather than Pinocchio. It's a story about Geppetto learning to become a father.

I think that was Giermo that said that. like in an interview, right? So yeah, a nice twist on the story. And I really, really don't want to stop talking about this before we mention the character design. I think you mentioned it briefly, Alex, but watching this film is such a breath of fresh air because what Gieramo is able to do with creature design and just character design in general, makes me wish he was working on like every fucking animated movie. Because it, it, It's so, you don't realize how bad it is particularly. Like, we all talk about how bad it is.

But when we see a film do it right and it's so consistent, we're like, oh, wow, every character design is, like, unique and interesting and just looks cool. It's aesthetically pleasing. Meanwhile, we have all of these fucking, like, you know, ugly Sonic and, like, fucking detective Pikachu, like, garbage. Like, everything just looks like uncanny valley. I'm like, wow. Yeah.

Fucking meny. and yeah that kind of shit yeah it's either that or the blandness of like even like Pixar at this point oh yeah where everything has to look a certain way like turning red but like yeah all the humans

kind of look the same way and all those big Disney movies like they always have a kind of similar look going on it's only yeah it's only more recently there's just going out of those bounds just a little bit yeah other than turning red yeah turning red was like the only one

and even that it's like not it's still this more of the same it's like turning Red had differences compared to other Pixar movies in terms of how their style operated in the color. And it's like, oh yeah, I appreciated that. You know, I pointed that out. But like, yeah. It still looks exactly like a Pixar movie and just like, it's, it still looks way too similar. Again, it's, it's better than light year. It's maybe a little bar, but that's, it's better than lightier. Yeah, it all feels kind of standardized. Yeah. Similar. So this kind of

stuff really stands out. It's just another symptom of, you know, movies being a business because it really takes something like Spider-verse being successful and winning, like, best animated feature for studios to be like, oh, wait, we can be stylistic and not sacrifice making money. Like, oh, you can actually do that. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm glad that we're entering a, you know, we're kind of going in the direction where you can see like, oh, you can have it stylized. two and you don't have to lose money because of it. It doesn't have to look the exact same as everything. Yeah.

Make a good movie. In a way, the economics of it are almost forcing them down that lane. Yeah. Because like Lightyear wasn't like a big financial success like they were hoping, right? And that's like this generic looking like. That's like the exact example we're talking about like the board visual style of it where you could have done like so much like fun. You could have done like a retro kind of 60s aesthetic or something.

There's like so much you can do especially with animation. It was a movie. Andy saw in the 90s. It was retro. I got it. Yeah. I really like the design of Pinocchio in this. I like that he kind of has a tree bark texture, like, over his whole body. Like, that was different for me.

I'm like, oh, that's fun. Like, yeah, there's so much, like, creative decisions. Yeah, that's another advantage of stop motion is everything has, like, a certain texture to it and all the imperfections that come with it. It's like a always visually kind of stimulate. The cricket looks great. Yeah. Yeah.

The afterlife stuff looked cool. It was very, like, glowing and ethereal. Yeah. Great sets. It's fun. Great, like, color palette and just, like, very atmospheric environments, you know? Yeah. There's just something about stop motion.

So much fun. Like, I love seeing the process behind making it. Yeah, you can do it in any medium. But, like... Yeah, but, like, stop motion is so cool to see even the behind the scenes. Oh, yeah. I was looking. They have, like, the different scales of Pinocchio.

It's fun. I just wish more movies did this. Uh-huh. Yeah. It just feels like they're, it just, when you see it done right, it's like, oh, wait, there's, you can actually just do this. And there's talented people that, you know, any movie could hire. Any Hollywood big production film, you would just have to hire some talented people

to do that instead of, it's just so frustrating and annoying. Yeah. That we don't have this as like a standard, you know? Yeah. Or like it's, we'll get it, but at the expense of something. Like, the last time I remember being wowed by stop motion on this kind of level was Kubo and the two strings, but like the writing just wasn't there. Like it didn't have concepts that like, or characters that you really remember.

So this is like the whole package instead of just like that, that one element being nailed. Yeah. I think the story of this was much better. Yeah, it took from a story that I knew a bit better. And yeah, had more of a clever spin on it. Whereas Kubo, I don't know if that was his story. I think it might have been some legend or something, but I didn't really care for the story in that. Like I did in this.

I really like the ending too. I just want to mention like I had a good emotional like heart, whatever had heart to the ending. Yeah, it did. You actually like felt sad. It was like great unlike the Robert Zemeckis disaster. Yeah. Yeah. Just the whole like existential threat like of the main character like with him.

dying, he gets like hit by a car, like early on. Just that whole angle of describing it. Every time you die, you're going to be stuck here for longer and longer. It's like, these are like kind of deep concepts to be throwing, especially your kids to be thinking about. It's a really cool idea. Yeah, he gets shot by Mussolini. It's crazy.

Yeah, that was Tom Kenny voicing Mussolini. Yeah, it's just a lot of good actors in this. Oh, awesome. SpongeBobbellini. Cool. Some other ones, John Titooro, Tim. Blake Nelson. I think he did a couple of voices. Finn Wolfheart, Ron Perlman. Yeah, I think I said Christoph Waltz. Yeah, it's a great, great cast. Yeah, I don't know. What else to say? Aside

from, it, look beautiful. Yeah, I loved it. It was a great take on the story that was actually justified. Like, I was like, oh, I'm glad they made this movie because I really enjoyed it. Yep. Yep. Yep. I'm giving this one. Yep. A seven out of ten, loved it, breath of fresh air held back by the fucking auto tune and the bad lyrics of songs that, I mean, were well arranged musically for the most part, but Jesus Christ just fixed a couple things and it would just wouldn't hold it back as much. Well, I like the song. So four stars for Pinocchio. For Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. Yeah, that's the title. Make sure you specify. I don't want people think it was the Zemeckis. Yeah, I'm right there with you, Ralph. This is a four

Star 8 out of 10 for me. Yeah, I love the darkness, love that stop motion. Every element of it, aside from the music for me, is the only thing that's kind of just doesn't feel that necessary to me. Something else could have been done there rearranged. I don't know. That was like a weaker point for me. But overall, yeah, exactly what we want to be seeing from animation specifically as well,

just the perfect combo. Yep. Glad we all liked it. All right. We all saw glass onion, a knives out mystery. Yeah, it's kind of like adding the Guillermo thing out of fear. Like they had to put a knives out mystery out of fear. Onion.

Have you seen that video? No, I haven't. There's like one of the, if you search like how to dice an onion on YouTube, like the one I think with the most views is just, you know, it's a tutorial on how to do it. But the guy, the guy, the chef pronounces it onion? about like 800 times in the video and it's really funny. That's funny.

Like the rock talking about Black Adam on his Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's just this video going around of him like driving somewhere and he's talking about the box office performance and every three words he says the words,

Black Adam, Black Adam. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Oh my God. But glass onion there, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. We're not talking about the rock.

We're talking about it. Dave Batista, who's never been in a bad movie ever. Dave Batista has a much better, like, career. He does. So far. You cares about playing characters, it seems. That kind of seems to be the difference. Instead of playing himself, he'll actually be someone who isn't him, which is quite cool.

He does have a bit more range than the rock. He does, his characters that he plays seem to be a bit more varied than the rock. So, yeah. Yeah. I can at least name two movies that are good that he's in, whereas I don't think I could do that with the rock. What was it called? I spy.

What was the one? With what? With Dave Batista in it? Oh, I would say like Blade Runner, 2049. Yeah, Blame Runner. I was trying to name a bad one. I just forgot the title. Oh, a bad one.

It's not that he hasn't been in a bad movie, but he's been in more good movies than Dwayne Johnson. My Spy. Oh, that. Yeah, yeah. So the reason why I say that, the reason why I say that is because he, I forget who he was dissing, but he's like, no, I'm only in good movies. I think it was the rock, wasn't it?

I think maybe he was dissing the rock. Oh, Dave Tis just said that. But this was around the time where there were ads out for my spy, which just looked very bad. And so I was like, okay. Oh, yeah, I see what you're saying. Also, he was in Army of the Dead, okay? That's one I have seen all the way through.

That was a bad movie. Oh, my God. I've completely forgot about the movie. That's right. So he's in Dune. He's in Guardians. He's in Dune. And he's in Fekin' Blade Runner in 2049.

So. And he's in Glass Onion. Onion. Onion. Onion. Oh, yon. How'd you feel about it? I was, I thought it was good, but not great.

I like the first one a lot more. I like both. Yeah. I like the first one more, but I like this one. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty much there with you guys. I do prefer Knives Out. But I just liked how it was a sequel that was different. Like it doesn't, it's not even necessarily like a sequel. Like it really could take place before. It doesn't really matter. Yeah. Well, the original title was just Glass Onion without the whole Knives Out story tagged on the bottom. But I think Netflix made Ryan Johnson do that. He was probably pissed. Yeah, I think he was pissed about it, actually. He just didn't like that, which is fair. I mean, It kind of just works on its own, right?

Because it really, it's like a murder mystery with Daniel Craig, aside from that, it's like its own thing. And I like it as its own thing. It had a very clever story and concept. Like, I like that it's kind of like it's, like, when you think about it, like, when you don't compare it to Knives Out and just watch it as its own thing, it's like a lot of fun. I think it's when you start comparing the two that you see like the similarities and where

kind of where the first one's a bit better. I don't know if I, I don't know if I would feel much different. I was just like not that interested in the mystery in this one. I thought that like some of the characters were... Yeah, the mystery is not quite as strong. Yeah, more fun. I think the first one was a little more subtle. If you're functioning as kind of a who done it,

I had more investment in trying to figure things out in the first film, whereas this one I just didn't care. And it just seemed like it was just going to be, you know, difficult to decipher no matter what sort of thing. Whereas, like, the first one I was actually kind of playing along with it. Yeah. Yeah, I was, like, more invested in, like, the Anna Dara-Maz character, I think, in the first one than I was in, like, the Janelma. Yeah, yeah, she's a good, like, character to center around.

Yeah, I don't know how much of spoilers we want to get into. Let's spoil the whole movie. I'll just say spoilers. I'll just say spoilers now in case something, like, we're spoiling it. Because it's, like, a lot of shit going on in the movie. I did it. Yeah, you could, like, spoil something by accident. But, yeah, I just, I was more invested in that first movie story.

And like even like the allegory of like it's about like a privileged family right and like their they're like nurse for their dad gets like all the money. It's like a fun concept and there's like some kind of fun like commentary there too with subtext or whatever here. It's like I guess is that going on with Edward Morton? It just wasn't as like, you know, subtle to me or I don't even. It was just more fun in the first one. Purposeful even. Yeah. Soutle is a good way to put it.

But that's the thing though. Glass onion does seem. purposeful because it's kind of baked into the title you know it's referencing that that Beatles song that is purposefully kind of nonsense just to kind of mock the audience that loved like reading into Beatles lyrics so

having this metaphor of the glass onion that's like yeah it's got all these layers but you can see right through it it's quite a fun like wink and nod to the audience and through these characters that even though it was written probably over a year ago kind of parody exactly

what is going on in pop culture right now with this this Edward Norton character who is like a bunch of billionaire kind of tropes kind of put put into one and people seeing the like similarities with Elon Musk or the old the big batista character that is kind of like a joan tait kind of yeah andrew sort of parody yeah like one of these like yeah yeah for sure that that that side of it do like despite that that lack of subtlety in the whole just the family framing of the of knives out it's kind of like more seem more kind of realistic and relatable and the kind of political commentary, yeah, as you were saying, is a lot more subtle and expressive.

But I do like the fact that they're kind of inverse of each other like that, and they're still feel like they're in the same universe, and they're just kind of connected with this one investigator character. It's very, it's like really fun. I was never really bored, and I just want to see, like, more of these. I could imagine that being like... Me too. There will be a third one.

Yeah, exactly. It does what, yeah, it feels just like an Agatha Christie kind of novel, and you can imagine just pulling out three or four of these and them all, like, having a different setting and different cast of characters. And it's more like just what mood you're looking for that day kind of thing, with the cast of characters being the draw. Yeah, when mentioning subtlety, I feel like this suffered from some sort of like sequel syndrome. where I'm sure we've seen this a bunch of times where, oh, this is the second movie. So everything's bigger now. And it's just like, it felt like way too showy in terms of what I was trying to do. Like the whole like CG explosion and fucking all that, you know, nonsense.

And yeah, it's this big island. And like, there's more money and like there's more celebrities and stuff. It was just like it felt a little too showy. And it didn't, I didn't really feel impressed by. that, you know, especially when some of the CG was kind of bad, too. I like the more subtle ones, though, like the references to like Jared Lettos, Cambocha

or whatever, like Jeremy Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff like that's funny. That's funny. Like, it's like a more Yeah, but it was like Serena Williams, like showing up on the monitor. Yeah, that was kind of like, I was like, what? I just, I don't feel, I don't feel like a who done it mystery benefits from being big and showy. You know? I feel like those things are like almost a little contradictory

victory, at least for my taste. I see what you're saying too. Yeah, I feel like at least with the setting being like this, this billionaire, powerful guy and all these powerful people, at least it's kind of like baked into the story. It doesn't feel like it's purely just trying to show off to show off it. Yeah. It is kind of acknowledged. It's not, yeah, it's not like ignoring that fact, especially if we do get other ones and we'll see what happens with the third movie. Yeah, exactly. It kind of, we'll see where it fits and that kind of thing. Yeah. It was your favorite character. I thought that Edward Norton was the funniest personally. Yeah. I really liked Edward Norton in this. He was probably my favorite, just in terms of the performance.

He's a great comedic actor. Yeah, he was really good in this. I'm glad he's being used more in that way in recent years. Yeah. Lots of Wes Anderson, you know, yeah, he's got a great sense of like comedic pacing and delivery. Yeah. Everyone just seems like they're having so much fun. It's very funny. Yeah, like I really enjoyed it. Yeah, the whole cost just seems like they're enjoying it. Yeah. Yeah. Kate Hudson was great. Yeah, she seemed like she was having a lot of fun.

Oh, she was fun too, yeah. Yeah, her character just like total, you know, idiot. She's not very bright. I like how they kind of worked COVID into the storyline, too. That was kind of fun. Yeah, not a lot of movies do that. They were all wearing masks, but they got to play with it. And then Ethan Hawke briefly shows up and kind of injects all of them with some kind of shit in their mouth, whatever.

Yeah, he's just in that one scene. I'm like, that was kind of weird. Yeah. celebrity cameo those are always fun yeah I like Ryan Johnson I also missed in the first one he was kind of like saying

fuck you to the people who hated Last Jedi right? Yeah yeah for sure Like the kind of teenage boy character is the not to him Nottebo in the bathroom Or they masturbating Whatever he says to him

Yeah that's not really in this one I guess it's there Yeah it's just not No it's not really in this one at all Unless it's like It's counting making fun of Elon Musk Yeah not that side of it But one of the complaints

I've seen is more so like the the Twitterisms or kind of, you know, like that kind of side of it, like building in the Andrew Tate character, the, uh, the, uh, the like Kambucha line that you already mentioned and stuff like that. But that's more of a taste thing, I think, depending on that, that never really pulled me out of the movie because I feel like it was kind of consistently sort of silly. Like it's like, he's in the bath like at the beginning, Daniel Craig, like playing among us. Like it's, it's like a silly tone. Oh, yeah.

It stays true to itself. Hugh Grant is his husband. Yeah, he opens the door. He's like in a pink apron. Like they just set that up. Like, oh, that's funny. Yeah, it's just like, they try to like expand like the Daniel Craig character in this movie. He's like, I don't know.

I think he is like a fun character to make movies with. Like I could see like five more movies with him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'd love to see more of him. Yeah. I just love Daniel Craig. Like he's got so much versatility.

in like the kind of performances he can give. And this is like, yeah, I love this character. I want to see more of him. It's very different than something like James Bond where he was very dapper. Here he's like kind of, yeah, that like Texas accent or whatever he's doing. It's like, yeah, kind of brilliant. And the references he makes. Like when he referenced them 2010, that was great.

That was really funny. It's full of stars. Oh, yeah. I was like, I'm the only person in the theater who understands this. Yeah, that's exactly how I felt. I mean, it's all full of, my God, it's all full of stars. I'm like, wow. Yeah.

That was a joke for only me in the audience here. Yeah, exactly. That was really funny. Yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah, it's just like the little references like that were great. Yeah. And you've seen it twice, haven't you, Ralph? Like, I've heard that it kind of works better a second time almost.

Yeah, it's fun seeing it the second time because you know what's going to happen and you pick up on certain things. Yeah. Like, there's tons of things I noticed the second time that I didn't notice the first time. I'm making my own review of it. So I'll mention like one thing. But yeah, it's just, yeah, it's a fun movie you want to rewatch it. Because, yeah, that mystery is so fun.

And there's like, all these little like fun payoffs and gags and whatever, like good character writing. Yeah, it's very plot driven too. Like, Ryan Johnson's just, he's such a good writer. I've always liked his stuff. I've always been a fan of him. He's an interesting character that I will continue to watch more films from. Yeah. I like a lot of his movies.

He's kind of sassy in the way he puts things together. Always since like Brick, because that was kind of like a mystery story, like set in a high school, wasn't it? That's the only one I haven't seen. Oh, really? Yeah. I like Brick. Yeah, it's worth checking out. It's interesting.

Yeah, I've heard. What's the other one? Was it Brothers Bloom? Did he do that? No, I don't know. Oh, that's the one I haven't seen. Did he do what? He did one with, like, Mark Ruffalo or something?

Yeah, I'm just... It's the one. thing in his catalog I haven't seen. Brothers Bloom? Is that what it was cool? Oh, he did? It might not be. Okay, well, never mind.

I guess I haven't seen that either. Yeah, I've never seen that one. I thought I was only missing one. See? See? Yeah, Brothers Bloom. Looper, which is good. Yeah, I like Looper.

Last Jedi's, I like, it's all right. Last Jedi's all right. I feel like After Last Jedi. More like Blooper. Oh, after Last Jedi, he's kind of entered like a new era of like his movies. Yeah, that sassiness. The sassiness is like up like 10% or whatever. Yeah.

Well, yeah, it's weird. Everyone's in a feedback loop where like now everyone has to watch his movies to be a part of like some weird cultural conversation no matter what he makes. And then he's also at the same time trying to like respond to this weird Twitter shit within his movies. And it's just like it's such a, it's soap as it makes me want to see his movies more. even if I don't enjoy everyone, that makes me just like, okay, I wonder what everyone's take on this one will be. I wonder if he'll do something to piss people off. Yeah, it definitely works. Like, but so many people have had meltdowns on Twitter about Glass Onion specifically.

It's like really not that big a deal to me, but yeah, I like him. He's an interesting director. I haven't bothered to look into it. I know that some people absolutely hate this movie, but. I couldn't tell you why. Oh yeah, didn't Ben Shapiro say something about this? Yeah, Ben Shapiro had like one of a little thread about it. Oh, yeah, that was funny.

A lot of people missed the point of a movie. It's coming back to me now. Yeah, yeah. Coming back to me. There was some good shit there. Yeah. They kind of miss the point of like the concept of the movie, which is the glass onion.

Like, it's supposed to be like hidden in plain sight is the thing, the whole mystery. So they're like, oh, it's so obvious or like it's so stupid. It's like you're not missing or like you're missing the point of like, like the Edward Norton character and like the whole point of the movie really um yeah there's like the mechanics of the plot and then there's like the the fun of the story and how you know the lines of the of dialogue and just where it goes and there's like more going on than just that one side of it yeah if you want to call them critics they're not really critics like ben Shapiro's not well i just find it so interesting and amusing that like if this exact same movie had

come out but wasn't directed by Ryan Johnson, like 90% of these people wouldn't be talking about it. Oh, yeah. Like, even if it was just as big of a movie, even if it was like, had just as many people watching it. Like, a lot of these people just, it wouldn't be a part of like the cultural conversation because it's not Ryan Johnson. That's so, yeah, it's the Star Wars curse, man. Ben Shapiro would not be talking about it. No, no, no. It's funny.

But yeah, I'm kind of. lukewarm on it. I won't be seeing it a second time. You know, there's some things I liked about it. Some, you know, loved Edward Norton decently shot. Music was good. Yeah, didn't, not a big fan of the whole showiness, not a big fan of the CG. The fire looked like shit. And yeah, just not as compelling for me as the first film. I'm giving it a six out of ten. It was decent. Not a, not a terrible movie, in my opinion. Yeah, I've got the same rating as you as a six at a high six out of ten or three star. I'd be willing to watch it again, though.

I did just find it fun and kind of silly and I do like just kind of how out there it is with these characters. And it does feel like an original throwback to this Agatha Christie kind of story, but without completely aping it. As I say, I'd be down to watch like three, four of these movies. I think it's just such a fun central character to kind of build around. Just murder mysteries, man. They're enjoyable.

And I think as you were saying, Ralph, with the, if Knives Out didn't exist, maybe if this was the first one, then, I don't know, yeah, comparing it to that. Yeah. I just prefer Knives Out overall. But yeah, I still did enjoy a lot. Ryan Johnson, it seems like his intent is them, for them to be, like, kind of separate, which is fine. That's how I kind of look at it.

I prefer Knives Out, yeah, but this one's a lot of fun. Yeah, like we're saying, very funny, great cast of actors. they got. I would definitely see more. Yeah, I think I had more fun with it than you guys. I'd give it four stars and I saw it twice and I'd see it again. Supposedly, Ryan Johnson originally wanted Daniel Craig to be doing completely different accents in each films without explaining it. Yeah. That would have been a bad idea. That would have been bad. I'm glad they just stuck with this Texas. I think I'm comfortable with Daniel Craig playing Foghorn Leghorn. I think I'm good with that. I like that. I like that too.

Yeah, that might have pushed the silliness almost like too far. Yeah. All right, that was dope. We had a film recommendation from Ralph. Yeah. What was it again? Yeah, I recommended mean girls. Oh.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a good movie directed by Mark Waters. I think Tina Faye wrote it, right? Yeah. Yeah, she wrote either the whole thing or part of it. Yeah, one of the writers at least. Yeah, and it's about Lindsay Lohan's a new kid in a high school. And she, like, befriends a click of girls called The Plastics.

And it's just kind of about like, yeah, like high school drama. So it's based off of a book. It's kind of a different movie for us. Called Queen Bees and Wanam Bees. And then Tina Faye adapted that into a screenplay is what it looks like. Oh, okay, interesting. Yeah, but I don't think the book was fiction. I think it was more like a nonfiction kind of advice book or something like that.

That's what I was going to ask. Is that like, is it like a narrative book or is it like kind of like what they do with Fantastic Beasts, I guess, where it's like a book of beasts or whatever. Yeah, it's just like they, it seems like they kind of like wrote this whole narrative, like original narrative for this movie. Yeah. if I'm not wrong. Yeah, I liked it. I thought it was a lot of fun. That was funny.

I like the characters. I like Lindsay Lohan and it actually a lot of like actors that are kind of big now that I don't think they were have that like the status they do now like at the time. Like I don't know how famous like Amanda Seafreed were like Lizzie Kaplan. But yeah, I thought they were all good in this. I thought Amy Poller was fun. She was fun, yeah. Yeah, they got like, yeah. A lot of like good actors in this and yeah.

I thought it was pretty fun. I love Tim Meadows. I want to see him in more comedy things. He's very funny. He's got such a unique cadence. Like the way he delivers lines is like it is really funny. It always catches you off guard. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see him in more stuff too. He was like one of the funniest parts of Walk Hard. He's like, you don't want you don't want no part of this, do we? That whole scene. I don't know if you've seen the movie. It's really funny. You can find that on YouTube actually. It's just one of the funniest. It's a funny movie. Yeah, it's not a bad movie. It is very much kind of a time capsule for 2000s movies set in high schools. Yeah. It's got the editing and soundtrack choices that are kind of familiar to the time.

Fucking Missy Elliott. Love that shit. Love her music. Yeah. That Dutch. Soundtracks vary of the time. Yeah. Some weird choices here and there, but...

That was my, like, favorite part of it was that time capsule nature with the... Especially with the dialogue. Like, just remembering, like, oh, yeah, man, like, during this era, every other word was the... The arsler, man. Like, it's just everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what I was really enjoying from it, because this is one of those, you know, it's one of those cult classic movies where, like, so many people grew up with this.

but it was never really on my radar with it being, you know, it's like about girls in high school and all the cliques and stuff. It was never really my cup of tea. And I don't have like a sister or anything, so I never really checked it out. Although you do just pick up things here and there. It's like constantly referenced. Everyone kind of knows mean girls.

It's one of those. Yeah. Everybody saw it. That's kind of why I recommended it. Yeah. It's got some like good people attached to it. I just looked at the wiki for, so I don't know.

know if you were aware of this because you might be a bit too young for it, but the Black Eyed piece song, Let's Get It Started. Yeah, yeah. Was originally, let's get it arslered. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I did. Or let's get. Yeah.

And that, I'm looking this up right now. This came out, this was released in 2004, which is the same year that Mean Girls was released. So it's actually kind of funny that they both kind of fit into that. Yeah. Literally the same year. A few months back. Yeah.

You actually, like, you have to find it on YouTube because if you try and find it on their Spotify. Oh yeah, they erased it. They pretend it doesn't exist. But yeah, I would encourage everybody listening right now to look up, let's get our slurred by the black eyed piece. Yeah. And you can hear them saying it.

It's crazy. It's awesome. And it was on the radio. It wasn't a bad word at the time. That was the, that killed the arsler. Yeah. The black eyed piece.

They killed a lot of things. It was a very different time. Yeah. It was very different time. It's one of those things where it's like, I don't know, like people, like the word dumb was like a medical term like even the arsler was a medical term you know like so was like queer was as well right yeah i think dumb means like you're mute or or deaf or something yeah i the way that words evolve it's kind of like when when we're using words to describe like

a mental deficiency as an insult i think we're playing kind of a losing game because the pen it's just going to keep shifting. Like, okay, like, now people are going to use the word autistic or something. He's like, okay, well, like, what word are people going to use next? Like, it's, we're going to start with something that means something initially medical, and then it's going to turn into an insult just because of how people use it, and then you can't say it, and then you can't say that medically anymore. It's just like, I don't know. I feel like it's a losing game with that word and or description. So, you know, like, if, like, here's an example, if pedophiles want to be called maps, it doesn't really matter because maps will just mean the bad thing too.

Then maps will just have it. Okay, call yourself maps. It doesn't matter. Like, you could, the word will have just as negative of a connotation as pedophile. Man, I wasn't expecting maps to come up in the mean girls discussion. If they want to call themselves minor attracted pedophiles, that's fine by me. Bazinga. Speaking of pedophiles, oddly sexualized characters.

in this film. Yeah, especially that whole like Santa scene where they're doing that on the stage. I guess I should say epiphobiles or whatever if people are going to be like really into the fucking Yeah. Yeah. She is, this is part of like

Lindsay Lowhan's downfall is that not only was she a child star, but she was weirdly sexualized as a child star. Mm. Yeah, that is unfortunate. Yeah. So I think she was eight, scene when this was filmed.

Or at least that's what a quick wiki search told me or Google search. But still, even before this film, like, she was, that was like a part of her thing. Remember, like, she's in the same kind of generation as, like, Britney Spears was. Like, when she made the song, Hit Me Baby one more time, like, I think she literally was 16 Britney Spears. And, like, that was in an insanely, yeah, that was an incredibly sexualized music video. and like overall presence, right? Like, we see this happening to different degrees time and time again, you know?

It's like a girl hits puberty and then you market that and it's like, oh, well, you know, I thought we were in a society that was saying that like it's probably bad if you're attracted to someone under the age of 18. But then, you know, it seems like a lot of industries are kind of like, well, maybe, you know, they're like trying to push that. It's like, oh, well. They kind of prod at it. They prod at it a little bit in the movie, don't there?

There's that kind of background character, the little sister who's, like, watching, like, a spring break type thing, and she, like, pulls her shirt up, like, copying it. And it's not, like, a big, like, part of the movie or anything, but it's at least sprinkled in there. Yeah. It's self-aware enough where you can argue, like, okay, that's a part of the commentary of the film. Yeah. You know, it's not as bad as, like, cuties. No.

Which I've never seen that, but yeah. It just doesn't seem as plain. It looks boring. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And French. Yeah. There was some really surprising things about it to me.

Like the whole, the Africa thing where like she was homeschooled and like lived in Africa most of our life. So they have these like crazy jokes with the, like, yeah. So it reminded me of being at the watering hole. So then everyone's like on all fours like pretending. I think that kind of bothered me a little more than, you know, what you guys are saying. Oh, yeah? Because I didn't really.

Yeah. Yeah, like, the humor like toward the beginning, we're like, oh, we have an African exchange student. And she looks at like the only like black girl in the room. Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Yeah. Like those jokes. That bothered me more than like, what are you guys talking about.

They actually, they drop an N word as well. Oh, I don't even remember. In the subtitles, like the Asian characters towards the end. Oh, yeah. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I didn't even notice that really. Yes. Yeah. This is my first time watching it. So, yeah, crazy. I didn't expect that in this movie. I definitely, you know, this kind of had a bit more of an edge than I expected from like the marketing. Yeah.

Well, yeah, was it, was it the movie or was this era just kind of... It was the era. Like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was just comedy. It was the year. This was this exact same year as Team America World Police, also 2004. Oh, that was a very edgy movie.

Very funny movie. This is around the same time as like, you know, a lot of edginess. South Park on television. We had like drawn together was like a 2003 or four show like around that era. Wonder shows in is in this area like mid 2000s, the entire cultural shift was like, what, you're going to tell me I can't say something? Beep. Like it was like the whole point was that we're saying it because we're being told not to say it. Eminem had like a bunch of his most successful albums coming out like early 2000s and like, you know, just so much. It, It was a different time period and a different cultural conversation.

Yeah, but it was really interesting. Like, I like kind of edgy stuff as long as it's funny, you know? Yeah, I think you could say, too, in this case for this movie, it's trying to be authentic to kind of how teenagers would probably talk. And yeah, like, teenagers in high school, they probably have no filter. They'd probably be saying all kinds of, you know, especially in 2004, yeah, why not? Stuff.

Yeah, so I think it's, you could also argue that. And I'd say, like, yeah, that's entirely fair. Like, I think it did kind of feel authentic in certain ways to how the, like, kids would be at that time and these characters would be. I definitely felt that. I liked everybody in it. I thought I made a safe read was funny. I liked her whole gag that she was, like, kind of dumb. Yeah, she was really good.

Uh-huh. There was some good performances in it. The other girl who, um, what was the quote at the beginning that you said? like it all like ties in so fetch yeah like the whole fetch thing that's like that's when she turns on rachel make adams and so that's it i gotta i'm gonna betray her now and that's like her start of her downfall i like that character that was a fun character yeah it's like fun yeah like the you know the the whatever dude that linds fawning over fun characters in this no one's like annoying really except maybe like the other kid and like the mad

athlete there. His jokes were kind of annoying where he was like ripping his shirt off or whatever. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was like a little much. Aside from that, I just thought the movie was fun. I wasn't really expecting too much from it. Yeah, it was actually better than I was expecting. I get the cult status it has. Yeah, it's like funny. Yeah. It's interesting that this film is like kind of a classic in a way.

because you wouldn't really expect it based on what it appears to be on surface level, you know, it almost feels like a Disney channel movie, but just an edgier version of that. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. There's much more for an edge. Yeah, yeah, that was always my perception just from seeing like the poster

and how it looked without saying it. Yeah, like that whole gag with the bus, like crash. Like, that really caught me off God. I wasn't expecting that kind of thing to happen within the movie. That was. Yeah. Yeah, just crazy. Some of the best parts of the movie for me are like the slapstick moments because

they're just so outrageously over the top that you kind of just have to assume that, you know, there's a bit of self-awareness to it. Like when she falls in the garbage, it was just like, I was so out of nowhere and it was like so exaggerated. And again, yeah, like the bus just like final destination shit in the movie. Yeah, it ends like final destination, yeah. Yeah, I would have loved it if it just like cut to credits, like, right? And that's how she died.

And then it's like the end. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So out of nowhere. Yeah, like wish upon. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just, uh, it's, it's difficult for me to watch any movie that Lindsay

Lohan is in without just like feeling bad. You know? Yeah, feeling sad for her poor stay. Like she's an absolute nutcase. and you know it's just one of those things where it's like okay well yeah what did you expect when you you know have this sexualized child celebrity you know this huge famous it's kind of like um you're kind of just asking for that that Nathan fielder show the rehearsal kind of touches yeah kind of thing a little bit yeah much more thoughtful yeah the whole child star thing like it really

really is a depressing situation to be in. I was even watching the telegraph put together this little mini documentary about one of the kids who was gonna be like cast as Anakin Skywalker

in the Phantom Menace and he's kind of just like, yeah, I almost, I kind of dodged a bullet like not being in that movie like because that wrecked his life like being in that.

Like it's a sad state. But man, people, love this movie it's yeah yeah i've only ever seen like all of these kind of movies like you're clueless like your mean girls i did check out clueless like freaky friday ago yeah i saw freaky friday back in the day too but i did kind of prefer when i saw it clueless which was about 10 years before it had a bit more of a it seemed a bit more kind of satirical to me um Like the main character is a bit funnier to me, whereas they kind of go,

Lindsay Lohan is more of like a, she's more innocent, you know. Yeah, relatable. Yeah. Yeah. Which I guess works for its demographic. Like, if you are, if you were like a young girl growing up with this movie, I'm sure this would like really gel with you. But is the, genuinely, is the, is the click thing like really like this in America?

I've always wanted this with like this set of it. Is it really like this bad? I mean, some schools more than others, but it's a thing. Yeah. It felt pretty authentic to me. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty, yeah. There are looks like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I've always found that angle. Interesting. Help me understand this. On the Lindsay Lowhan Wikipedia page, the photo that they use is like so obviously photoshopped and airbrushed, right?

to the point where I'm like, this is Wikipedia. This is not like Instagram. This is not like your promotional page for the, like, you should be using something like a bit more objective, right? Not something that's so obviously retouched. And it's like, did she change the profile photo? Like, surely there's photos of her that exists. Yeah, so it says what, Lohan in 2019.

Yeah. Yeah. Right? Surely there's photos of her that exist that aren't that. I don't know what if her like PR team. is funny about it. Fucked up. Because you remember she tried to sue rock star.

Oh, yeah. Likeness for like GTA. So I don't know if that's kind of funny or her team's funny about her image or whatnot. Could be something like that. That had no merit. Yeah. It wasn't even like a main character or anything. It was just like one of the images of the loading screen and it didn't even really look like her.

No. So yeah, I don't know what's going. on there. She's got some serious mental problems and I feel bad for her. Do you ever see that video where she was live streaming herself trying to abduct a child? What?

Yeah. She was just like... When? A few years ago. It was pre-COVID. It was close to it was close to pre-COD or something. Oh, yeah? Yeah. She was like, there was like this like family I guess of immigrants that were like on the sidewalk, just like two parents and a child, she was like, no, it's cold.

And she was, this was around the time where I don't know if she still is Muslim, but this was around the time where she was starting that. And then she was just speaking a bunch of gibberish that apparently wasn't even Arabic. And saying like, no, it's too cold. I got to get your son. I'll take, I'll have a hotel with this son and you find somewhere else. And this family that like can't understand what she's saying is like, No, stop trying to take my child away.

They're like, no, like, trying to be polite but, like, scared because this crazy woman is, and she's, Lindsay Lohan's, like, live streaming the entire thing. Yeah. It's absolutely bizarre. Yeah, on Instagram live. Yeah. Woman Strikes Lindsay Lohan live on Instagram during a tempted kid. This is crazy.

Yeah, she's the one recording it. That's crazy. It's nuts. She's recording herself doing that. It's not like someone else doing it. Yeah. Like someone else recording her, you know. She had a pretty extreme downfall.

Yeah. And I don't know what's, what the fuck is in store for her career-wise or, you know, health-wise. But, you know, I guess life just can throw some bricks at some people, you know? Yeah. In fact, what's going on? Was it drugs? Probably a lot of shit. Yeah, probably a mix of drugs and being a child style.

Like, I don't know how you can be a balanced person, if that's all of you. Yeah, like heavy drugs. like yeah yeah cocaine or something like that yeah yeah i don't know it's yeah but you know watching this movie she wasn't that way so i was just watching it like oh yeah mean girls those girls are so mean yeah they are mean i mean rachel mcadams in this movie is pretty mean the plot is so silly to me because it's like it it's very quickly she's moved to this new location and she's like, oh, I'm the, I'm the odd one out here. I'm the, you know, person new to this environment.

But then very quickly, she makes, like, two friends, but so quick, but it's meaningful enough that there's, like, a betrayal element when she starts hanging out with other people. But it's just, like, there's some elements of the plot that are just kind of, like, they move by pretty quick, quickly in terms of, like, developing it. Yeah, well, like, I said it was, like, accurate to clicks. It's, like, it's kind of accurate. It's very, like, it's very, like, it's very, like, cartoonish, you know?

Yeah. It's like very like over the top. Yeah. Well, it's like really low stakes, you know. Yeah, exactly. It's what all these kind of movies like fall into where that they're kind of the point. Yeah, exactly. It's like very fluffy.

Yeah. But it's more so the where it gets annoying to me is the whole like, you know, they got to have the spring fling like, yeah thing and who's going to be the king. Like that's where I like just am not interested. Mm-hmm. I'm more just there for like that wacky comedy. Just keep it moving as fast as possible. Just throw jokes at me. and a bunch of them work, a bunch of them don't.

Yeah. The mean notebook thing seems like a bit of like a, you know, cliche. Oh, I need to fess up that I wrote the mean words. Well, yeah, it's the it's the McGuffin. Uh-huh. It's like the plot device that, yeah, the whole movie hinges on. Yeah, it's always like, it happens with every comedy. And then that's over and the movie still goes for another 20 minutes.

So it's then it's about the math. Then it goes into the prom stuff and yeah. And then like, and then there's a little epilogue or like Richard McAddoz becomes a basketball player or whatever football player. What a fuck soccer player. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's like, I hate usually how comedies like this ends because it gets back into the plot, which is usually not very interesting.

And it's like it just stops telling jokes. And that's kind of what happens with this. Yeah. Um, yeah, I still had fun with it though. Like, yeah, I have the same criticisms really. Like, some of the humor does. really land for me. It's short though, you know? Like, it's like, you watch it like in 90 minutes and it's over. Yeah. I thought it was pretty well paced. Yeah, that's the thing. Right. Yeah. I feel like it's kind of perfect for its intended demographic.

Yeah. Which like admittedly just is not me. So. Mm-hmm. Exactly. I totally understand why I think it's well done. I think it's in the position it is. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Like, it's not like spectacular, but it's like, well shot, like, mull lit. I don't have any complaints really there. Like, we were watching going overboard. I know it's like low, low bar, but like even going overboard. Like, that wasn't even like framed, right? Like, certain shots, there's just like characters' heads were too low. Like, this was all like, well done.

Like, there was clearly, like, thought put into, like, every scene and, like, how it transitions into the next scene. Yeah, it's like visual gags. And, like, it wasn't just all, like, dialogue jokes, like, the kind of Judd-Appetel movies fall into. Like there was more going on visually that was like interesting. Yeah. I like the movie. I thought it was fun. Yeah. Sad about Lindsay Lohan. There was a TV movie sequel in 2011. I haven't seen it. Supposed to be awful. Did you see it? I mean like I was tempted to see it and I was on stream like doing the watch along for the first one. I was like should we watch the second one? And everybody was just like no.

It's in it It wouldn't even be funny The only recurring Lownd's not even in it at show Tim Meadows is the only actor that reprised the role Oh, okay, that's cool So he was in it

But everybody else is just Completely different people And it's a straight to DVD Straight to TV thing So like nobody important Oh, okay One of them was the girl And Wizards

of Waverly plays Interesting I'm just looking at like The cast of the second one Yeah, it's like You know Like Disney stars and whatever.

Apparently not worth watching. No, it's probably not very good. People are saying. Yeah. Doesn't quite have the same script that this one did. Yeah, Tina Fey writing. I think she's a good writer. She's funny.

Screenplay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Where do you stand with her? Because I've never really seen what was considered her best stuff with like 30 Rock or Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt or whatever. This is kind of the only thing I've really seen from her.

I've seen some Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. That was fun. Yeah. I like her. I haven't had any reason not to like the projects that she's been involved in. Yeah. I've seen her here and there. She's like in like some like mega mind and soul. So yeah. I'm going to see if there's anything I hate that she's written. Let's see. Anything she's written? I don't think she's written much. No, she's written. Except for Kim. She wrote 30 Rock, right? Yeah, 30 Rock. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, she's a created 30 Rock. Yeah, 30 Rock, Kemi Schmidt, and then Mean Girls. Has she written anything else aside from that? No, yeah, so I haven't, yeah, nothing, nothing offensive for me in that one. Oh my God, upcoming Mean Girls and Mean Girls the Musical? What is this shit? It's just on...

Oh, they're doing a remake. Oh, no, there might be. Oh, really? An adaptation of Tina Fey, Jeff Richmond, and Neil Benjamin's Broadway musical based on the popular 2004 comedy. So I think there already is a musical, but now they're like filming it or something. I think there might be a musical already. And then yeah, okay, so that's what's happening. It's not like a remake of them. It's not like a, okay. We'll see. Yeah, I'm not going to research this

right now, but that's a thing maybe. Yeah, Kimmy Schmidt was fun. I've seen a bit of it. I guess we can just get into ratings for this, unless someone else, unless we have more to add about mean girls no not really it's you know it was fun kind of is what it says on the tin it's like

it checks all the boxes for the demographic and the kind of comedy it's trying to be it's not really trying to be anything on the tin you say that's a very British thing to say on the tin wait say that again on the tin

on the tin someone say like on the cover or on the box or something but yeah oh I see be a very British way to say that. Yeah. Never considered that. Just then you know.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fun with this one. I would give it a three and a half out of five stars. That's my rating. Bam. There you go. Yeah, I'm a smidge under with the, just kind of a right down the middle,

three star, kind of six out of ten. I enjoyed it for what it's worth. I do acknowledge this really. I didn't see it in the early 2000s when I was more towards the age. I feel like it would resonate. But I do understand what it is about the movie. People kind of have jailed with and connected with. And I think someone on the subreddit was kind of comparing it a bit to Napoleon dynamite,

kind of that sort of era of these weird, like, edgy out there kind of comedies. That was kind of more at my alley at that time. Yeah, it was okay. It was fine. I guess just two things left in my nose that I forgot to mention. before I give my rating. The gay guy, that was his whole character.

That was kind of funny. Just like, oh, he's too gay to function. That's all he is. Also very too bad for. And then last thing I wanted to mention, you know,

some of these supposed high schoolers look really old. And I hated the male lead, like the look of his character. He looked like a 30-year-old pretending to be a 14-year-old with that Justin Biebery haircut sort of thing, like that shorter,

like fucking 30 seconds to Mar's haircut or whatever he was trying to do like not quite like oh fuck I'm dressed like a little boy even though I'm 30 it was really yeah they're almost adds the humor in a way like in those Sam ramy movies when they're in high school and they all look like 40 year olds it's like yeah that's kind of funny to me yeah I'm giving this one a five out of 10 it was not unwatchable it was you know I can see why it was memed wish uh some elements were better, but, you know, it was not not worth watching. We're some mean girls. Awesome.

Great. Awesome. All right. I guess it's question time. Boom. Cool. Let's do some questions then from the Sardargancast community. Head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit if you want to ask us, whatever you feel like.

Just like Butter 4,67 did. Since you guys often criticize certain films that tend to get aspects of the internet wrong, what are some films you guys think get aspects of the internet right? Right. It's like racking my brain trying to think. Happy end easily. The newest Michelle Hanukkah film. It's like so authentic, which is weird because he's a like 70, 80 year old man or some shit.

And he actually is just so detail oriented that he did research into like internet culture and like different websites and things that like teenagers were doing. And he, you know, things that he's obviously not a part of. he didn't know naturally, but he just decided, oh, I'm actually going to research this as if he were making like a period piece and researching like a, you know, as if he were Robert Eggers researching the dialect of a culture. Yeah, that's cool. Oh, it's like, it's like, what's that guy, Justin Goy or Michael Goy? Michael Goy. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's like him, right? Something he should have done. And so it's crazy. Yeah, like Michelle Hanukkah, my favorite director, you know, managed to authenticate write and direct this film that features the internet to a huge degree and it felt authentic,

which is just so above and beyond what a lot of movies even made by like, I don't know, 30, 40 year olds managed to fail at. So, yeah, that would be one of my picks for sure. Yeah, the only thing I could really think of was that movie searching, which was kind of a good one, scream recordings. It felt pretty authentic. But felt authentic because it's always like a bummer in movies when like a character uses some kind of technology and like they've come up with this fake UI and it's like clearly like not real software and it's all just like fake as fucking like an unfriended type situation or whatever. Yeah, that felt like memorable for that reason. Do you have any rough?

What was the question? What movies do internet right? Yeah, because there's so many that it wrong. Is that, is that the question? Yeah. Movies that do internet right. Yeah. Faithful.

Does Rick and Ralph do the internet right? No. There's not many. I can't think of, I can't think of any. It's actually, it's actually incredibly difficult. I can name two more.

There's some, uh, like indie movies that, uh, do like internet culture right to a good degree. I think cam. I remember cam. Was one that,

uh, you know, girls a cam model. It's not a movie, but Mr. Robot does the internet really well. And Mr. Robert. Hacking. Yeah, yeah, true. That does it.

That's the best I've ever seen. Because, like, the example I could think of before of hacking was the movie Hacker's. It was, like, you know, really silly. And then, yeah, Mr. Robot made it. Yeah, that's kind of what they was believable. Yeah, like, hackers watch, or, like, you know, computer experts watch Mr. Robot. Like, like, yep, that's a real thing they use. Like, you can actually do that.

You can actually use that code and hack into a car and whatever. People actually do that. That's cool. Yeah, it's cool. There was a very low-budget movie from 2020 called Private Chat. It's spelled PVT space chat. Is that the one you told me about with Julia Fox or whatever? Yeah, yeah.

And fucking Buddy duress, the guy from Good Time. Yeah, it was really good. And it was fairly faithful to like internet stuff. There's always going to be some issues here and there. like there was a really good movie called Deadstream that's on Shudder right now. And it's like kind of like a found footage horror comedy. And the main character is like an unbearable Twitch streamer basically. And it's like supposed to be a part of the humor.

And that I think, you know, got a lot right in terms of like the character and like internet kind of culture. But there were some elements where I'm like, oh, I wish the chat was moving faster. you know, at points, like, if he's that big of a streamer, you know, or, um, but yeah, mostly faithful for that. So yeah, all, all of those movies are good, by the way, if anyone wants to check him out. Cam, private chat and dead stream. And obviously happy end is a great movie, I think. I also kind of think about Bo Burnham, like inside. Yeah. Um, even eighth grade to a certain degree with how they were kind of depicting that, like, that kind of social circle theme, it seemed like way more kind of

sincere and accurate to you know that kind of world and how people that age actually use the technology as opposed to like I don't know lull or something like that LOL with the yeah LL with Miley Cyrus speaking of like yeah child stars right

yeah speaking child stars yeah I usually really like like how David Fenture uses technology in his movies usually the characters are like very tech savvy or like Like how he uses, you know, a social network or like, yeah, those laptops and girl drag a tattoo. Yeah, gone girl, how he uses the news and that kind of stuff. The media cycle feels very like believable, you know, and even like in house of cards, like the way people text, there's like the little text bubbles that pop up.

I don't think that's the first time it's been done. One of the worst like tropes in cinema is that like it's gone viral and they've become a star. Oh, God. type thing like nerve the smosh movie or any of yeah watcher or a player

oh no dude social media is like totally bad because in this movie the teen teenagers are killing themselves over it I mean social media

is that like it's just such a shit surface level interpretation of that yeah yeah exactly yeah there was a movie called mainstream

by Gia Coppola and I haven't seen it yet but apparently that's shit apparently it's really bad it's got Andrew Darphy in it? Wow. That's an internet movie.

Oh, that one. Yeah. Looks really bad. Oh, cool. And then there was one, I think it's like a one word title and it's got someone in it that looks, that reminds me of Andrew Garfield, but isn't, but it's like one that it's not scream. Like, I don't remember what it is, but it's.

Is it the one with Joe Curie? Is that who his name is? I have no idea. What is it called? Spree? Is it the one where he's in the car? I've heard that. I've heard that.

I like that. Yeah, I've heard good things about that, even though I don't expect a lot of it. Yeah, it didn't really take it. seriously. Like a lot of these are like kind of too self-serious. That one was like, yeah, that one was like a lot of fun. That was just about like kind of like a Twitch streamer who like, it was also an Uber driver and he like live streams, live streams himself like killing people in his car. Like that was fun. Like it doesn't take itself seriously. Yeah, it's not like a great movie or anything. It's like, it's not like a masterpiece. For sure. But yeah, they're

definitely way more examples of, uh, bad presentation. Hosts. Hashtag horror. Unfriended hashtag. I forgot about hashtag horror. Fuck. Why did anybody watch that? Including myself.

That was fucking bad. Jesus. Yeah, there's so many of those. Did you guys watch that before? Because I made a video on it. I forgot. Yeah, it was like Halloween, like years ago. Yeah, yeah.

I remember hashtag horror. I watched like the opening credits. It was like giving me a seizure. It's like it was like Gasper, no way, but just not as good. Like if Gasper was bad. Yeah. Probably, Saviny was in it. Like, yeah, a really weird film.

Oh, yeah. A really bad movie. Yeah. Like the Fifth Estate, how he uses the internet. I haven't seen that whole movie. I've just seen clips of it. It's like a bunch of people in a room on, like, computer monitors. It seems really stupid.

It just seems like a really stupid way presenting the internet. It's like a bunch of guys with, like, an office on computers. Yeah. You would hope that, like, the internet is so ingrained into people's lives at this point, that you just wouldn't see as many of these like real shit interpretations of the internet and yeah fucking

dash cam that movie was shit oh my god like holy fuck just if you're trying to be faithful in some way there's things you can do you just put effort into it just some forethought and planning it's just not as many people use the internet as like we do so it's just like not important

everybody uses the internet At this point, it's just like, do you stay on Facebook only is the question? Do you use websites other than Facebook? Yeah, are they just that like disconnected from like, yeah, how like other people are? It's just like especially shocking when it is like a Ralph breaks the internet. And it's like, really? Yeah. This is what you're doing with it, man.

Sorry, sorry, guys. It's a series of tubes. I broke the internet. Why did you break it? Yeah, that's the internet. It's a bunch of tubes. Tubes and cat videos. Yeah.

Vince is depressed has one for us. Why do you think people hate Chris Pratt so much? I know the Mario choice is such horrendous casting, but people seem to hate him as a person. To add further to this argument, people now seem to want his career to fall apart. Do you agree with this sentiment or no? For me personally, yes, he's being cast in bad roles for him now at this point. But I find there's other people's careers I want to see Crash and Burn more. Like Ryan Reynolds.

Jeez. Like, the right world. Did he do anything either? That's the thing. Did Chris Pratt or like Ryan Reynolds do anything? They know what they did. This kind of vitriol? I think this is a little harsh.

Yeah, someone replied to it saying, people dislike him because there's rumors that he's a Trump supporter and attends a homophobic church. None of these rumors are confirmed, by the way. Yeah, James Gunn debunked the homophobic church one. Interesting. Sounds kind of silly. Yeah, and also at that point, it's like, okay, well, I don't expect

every person involved in, you know, anything else that I purchased to have the same moral political values as me. So, like, yeah, I really don't give a shit in that sense. I just hate Chris Pratt because he's voicing Mario. And apparently Garfield. Like, I'm hating him as a concept more than an individual. I think when you reach a certain level of fame and you present yourself to the world as a product and not a person, then it sort of has that disconnect where I'm thinking of you more of a product than a person. And so, like, yeah, I hate Chris Pratt the product. If I met the guy, I'm sure I would like the person. That's a fine reason to hate him. I don't think he cares one way or the other. Yeah, that's fine. I would hope that my presence on the

internet, I'm not presenting myself as a product. And I'm still, you know, at least presenting myself as a person to some degree. I would hope that I'm authentic enough to do that. But, you know, you never know how you're perceived, I guess. Yeah, I don't, I don't think he's a Trump supporter or whatever. I don't think that's confirmed. I'm just not going to believe like any... I don't even think that would matter. Yeah, that's not going to believe any shit I like here on the internet or whatever. I hope that's how most people are. Yeah, it's funny though, how it kind of shifted, because when he was in Parks and Rec, he was kind of like a internet darling. Oh yeah, he was below. He was in Zero, 30. Guardians. Yeah. Lego movie. And then I guess, yeah, once he was in Marvel, then he did like the Jurassic

movies, which are like horrendous. And then he's like trying to be an action star. became a little over saturated, maybe. I feel like perhaps if we all say we hate Chris Pratt, then they'll stop casting him in voice acting roles where he doesn't belong. But I don't really hate him. If everybody collectively says boo Chris Pratt, boo and stops buying tickets to the movies he's in, then movies will get better. I never met him.

I can't really hate him, yeah. He's just an actor. Like, how can you hate him? He's just an actor in a role. Mushroom. Kingdom, here we come. Fuck off. It's so annoying.

I can't like, oh my God. It makes me hate him when I watch that trailer. It is baffling why they choose him. Oh, you still watch it? The Mario movie? Did you watch it again? If I watch it, it will probably be like a watch along. The Mario trailer?

Did you watch it again? Well, no, there was a trailer one and a trailer too. Oh, you watched a new trailer. Yeah, it was somehow worse. I didn't realize there was a new trailer. I haven't been watching it. I've been keeping up with these kids movies that are coming out. People aren't as mad at me about trailer two because it seems not as many people are weirdly defensive about it.

Wonderful. All right. Yeah, I don't know. I much respect like an Elijah Wood or something where you've done your Lord of the Rings and I'll just go do weird shit, you know. Yeah. Like what are you chasing, you know, being in this like tomorrow war or these Jurassic but like, do you want to be, like, Harrison Ford or something? Like, what are you doing?

I think he just wants money. I think he's getting as much money as he can before he's like, you know. Yeah. Well, yeah, he is the big star rating. Before he's not like the it guy anymore. And then he'll do small. But he can do small roles. Like, he's a good actor.

He's not like a fucking hack, like Dwayne Johnson or whatever. He doesn't have a lot of range as evidenced by his Mario performance. He's good in Guardians. He's good in her. Yeah, he's good in those things. He doesn't have a lot of range. He can be cast well. He's good in her.

He's good in Guardians. He's been good. good in a lot of things. He'll be, he'll be good in things after. He'll, you know, he's, he's making money. He was cast well in the Lego movie. Yeah, exactly. He's making money in his, because he's supposed to be in every man. In his fame. He's making money in his fame now. And then he'll, uh, you know, once he's not like the number one guy anymore, he'll do like smaller roles. But he's just collecting as much money as he can. I can't really hate someone for that. Like, he's like, he's the number one actor in Hollywood. It's like, yeah, you want to be cast as Mario and Garfield,

all these things, fucking take it up. I wouldn't say no. If the, if the, they wanted to cast me as Mario even if I can't act. Yeah, an actor's not really supposed to say no. Yeah. Oh, he has I'll take the money. Yeah, he's not even Italian. Like, I'd prefer if they cast an Italian guy, but, you know, whatever. They don't give a shit.

It's fucking Nintendo. They're in fucking Japan. They don't give a shit. Let's go. Elimination. Yeah. God, fuck. Let's make a money.

Yeah. That's what the tagline should be on the Mario movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, there's a really funny Chris Pratt quote. Let's see if I can find the quote here. Hold on second. Oh, yeah, here we go.

People.com. Chris Pratt reveals, he prefers to go by CP. No one calls me Chris. Really? Yeah. He's so detached. It's so funny. So here's the quote.

Wow. Yeah. Pratt. CP, you know CP. Hey, CP, but nobody calls me Chris. He says. I went golfing with my friend. Chad, my pastor. And the other day, he was like, no one calls you Chris.

So yeah, Chris Pratt wants to be called C-D. Cool. That's a real quote from him. That's hilarious. Yeah. That's so funny. Yeah. See, that's a reason to love him. He's that innocent.

Yeah. Now you like him again. he's just the big dufus yeah yeah what a guy I like Chris Pratt now I sorry CP I can't say that

I can't never mind I was gonna correct myself and I was like no I can't say that narrowly avoided a sound bite there yeah here we go I'll keep hating him and then I'll be like I hate CP

there we go the maps we got the Chris Pratt man it's all coming out of this episode and then if somebody disagrees I'll be like what you don't hate CP and then I'll send an army after them on Twitter yeah you found the win button

I'm anti-CP well pitchington 309 has one for us one time I was in an argument over my love for SpongeBob Squarepants the guy in question was trying to downplay my legitimacy by saying that I only like it just because of nostalgia and that my feelings and opinions on the show shouldn't be taken into much consideration.

Do you think the guy has a point? Or do you think he was out of line? I do think it is okay if you don't like what you don't like. But it's always rub me the wrong way when people completely brush off a product just because of its popularity and that it must only be because of nostalgia have a great track. Yeah. Just because something's popular or well like doesn't mean it's bad. I would say it's okay to make those statements if you're referring to. a certain amount of people within a trend of something.

But if you're referring to an individual, then no, because you don't know what an individual is saying. So I can say something like, yeah, the Lion King 2019 would not have been successful if it wasn't a property that was a reboot of something that we all loved in our childhoods. I don't think that that's an incorrect statement. I don't think I'm being mean or offending anybody. If you feel like that doesn't apply to you, then I'm not really talking about you as an individual. Like, I don't know every individual.

There's probably tons of people that like the Lion King 2019 that never saw the original. But that's not what I'm talking about when I'm addressing, like, a trend or, you know, like an overall statement about a culture of film. Yeah. Just corporations weaponizing nostalgia. That's what bugs me. Like, I don't care about individuals. Like, you know, if, like, that's why someone likes a movie just because of nostalgia, like, it doesn't matter. Yeah, so what if you did?

There's nothing wrong with that. Well, yeah, because that is why it is such a trend right now. is because of how bloody powerful it is. You know, it's like such a strong marketing tool especially. Yeah, we're just talking about your Star Wars is all these Disney properties. Like it is such a core part of it. It is like why people have so much love for so much stuff. But yeah, when you get to the individuals, it's just, I don't know, it's unfair.

Especially if you're talking about SpongeBob, what are you talking about? That's the show that got popular because it had the broad appeal to kids and adults. that's just kind of a, yeah, an unfair stone to throw. Yeah, it's sad. The guys kind of got blinders on because, like, yeah, that is a good show. Like, if you watched it. A lot of people are like that. Yeah, they just like, I don't know.

They just, like, hate something before even watching it. And then they, like, never watch it. Or, like, when they watch it, they don't enjoy it. It's sad. Because, yeah, SpongeBob's great. If somebody says to you that you only like something because of nostalgia for the show, you say, well, you only have that opinion because you have nostalgia for being a baby and you're using your baby brain because you feel good using that baby brain.

You just wanted to feel nostalgic about it. I'm Ben Shapiro. Yeah. And this is how you win debates. JVAS, 685 has this to say. How do you guys feel about Jean Delman? Love it. Topping sight and sounds greatest.

films of all time list. Some people, including our boy, Armand White, are trying to dis on it as a move for progressive wokeness, but peeps like me are excited to see Jean get love and have something refreshing at the top. Paul Schrader wasn't, like, happy about it either. I don't think that's a great choice, like, as the best movie. Yeah, he said some weird things. I don't think what he said was, like, too out there, but, like, it's just like, yeah,

I agree. It's not, I didn't, I wasn't really a huge fan of that movie either when we, you know, reviewed it still not that's fine i'm just like i get like it's message yeah it's just it's not like the greatest movie ever i mean it's a little much i think that's probably one i'm struggling to think of a single poll where i agree of the top where they say this is the best movie of all time and i'm like oh yeah i totally agree like i disagree with every poll so it's weird that like this one in particular people are like oh like suddenly hung up on it it's like okay but it's it's a poll it doesn't matter. It's going to happen again in like 10 years

like this one. I don't know how often they do that. You know, like, it's every, it might as well be those fucking New York Times list that we disagree with where it's just like, you know, all that bullshit. Yeah, it's just a topic of conversation. I don't know. Yeah, this filmmakers just have a comment on it, like Paul Schrader or whatever.

I'm like, that's fun. Yeah, I think that's a weird, it's a weird choice for like the top movie. Yeah. It's a provocative choice for sure. I mean, yeah. Sure, filmmakers have comments and, you know, every thing they're asked about, I guess. But when we're talking about, like, Armand White and I believe at the same time, Paul Schrader, what did he say?

There's a bunch of people that felt like, oh, I have to talk about this sort of thing, as if, like, this particular sight and sound poll is so egregious that now it's like, this is some huge travesty when I'm just like, I just can't imagine. Well, I think more Arm and White. I mean, Armand White's not very bright. All Schrader's a weird guy. I like his movies, but he's also kind of a cuck. Oh, he makes great movies.

He's also kind of a nut day. I love the best artists I saw, you know. Yeah, exactly. A lot of the best artists are kind of out there. I want to hear what Vincent Gallo has to say about Jean Diehlman being at the top of the sight and sound pool, you know. What do you do? Vincent Gallo. I don't remember.

Oh, you don't remember who he is? In the movie, uh, he starred in and directed, uh, what was it called? Buffalo 66. And now he stars in. Yeah, yeah. Daily Wire Films and he has a crazy website where he sells racist t-shirts. Wait, he's in Daily Wire Films. I didn't know though.

Yeah, that's why I asked. I didn't remember this guy. Yeah, he's kind of a nutbag. Mm, all right. Oh, yeah, that's like confirmed, yeah. Okay. Give it time. You'll see with Paul Schrader.

He's only a few more articles away. Yeah, all I know is it's a weird, it's a weird pick. Gene Dealman's a weird pick for the best... Well, it's like, who are they polling? They're pulling a bunch of critics. It's a critically well-received movie. It's like a, you know, something that people remember after like 50 years. I just feel like it wasn't really...

Yeah, it wasn't really in the forefront of, like, greatest movies for a while. Like, I didn't really hear about it for a long time until like kind of recently, like, past couple years. Really, for the podcast, that was like the first time I heard about it at all. Well, here's the more... important thing to consider is like, do we know exactly how the polls are conducted and how they're rated? Is it that enough people chose Jean Dilma as their number one spot? Or is it kind of like rotten tomatoes where enough people gave it a six out of ten and because it was not divisive as much or something? Like, then it got to the top and has the best rating. Like, how is it aggregated?

We don't know that. So it's like, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day, what is at the top of the list? Like, it's just a list of movies and they're all there because some critics like them. Like, it doesn't really matter. I can't imagine getting upset over this. Like, yeah, who actually really cares. If anything, it's just, you know, good to get that film out there in the public conscious. So maybe even if people are watching it through outrage, like people know its name a bit more. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It gets it more the spotlight, which is good. Yeah, when people search up the movie because they've never heard of it, they'll get my April Fool's video where I got Charlie, uh, moist critical to do a moist meter on

it. That's a good introduction to the movie. People will watch the movie. Yeah. People will watch the movie and go, wow, this is boring. It's just a woman in her kitchen. We had a podcast episode there. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's not, I don't know, it is a weird pick, but I am the most vocal fan on the internet of Jean Dielman. 23 Kermil. Yeah, you are. You are. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's definitely one I think about a lot.

Good. Like more about it. Not really enough to sit down and watch again. You'll feel ready again at some point. Leaves a mark. Yeah. One day. One day when enough time has passed.

Yeah. It is that kind of movie. It's unique. and it's, you know, I just think it's like really interesting artistically. Loved it a lot more on my second watch for sure. Yeah, it's funny that it like, I wouldn't expect it to become more of like a cultural conversation this year. Wasn't expecting it to get on more people's radiance.

Exactly. Kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah. It's quite random and I do, yeah, I do appreciate it for that. It's just you just wonder with these lists sometimes, you know, just like, what the actual purposes? Is it just to like make people mad and like just... Yeah. That's why it's really.

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, that's why people respond. I mean, it's not like far fetch. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They're kind of provoking you, especially with a pick like that. Because it's not just like one of those like, oh, it's a godfather, you know, Lord of the Rings, whatever. It's like Gene Dilman. Yeah. Yeah. One, it's not like one a lot of people know about at least, you know, maybe in our circle, sure, but I don't think a lot of people know about it.

And too, yeah, it's just like kind of out of nowhere. And it's a weird movie. It's a weird movie. It's mostly a woman walking around in her kitchen. No, there's a lot of it. It's three hours long. I wonder what chunk of the people who watched Jean Diehlman were exposed to it by me. I wonder how much of that.

By the percentage. Hmm. Well. Chantelle, you owe me one in the afterlife, okay? I'm reping your films. You can watch Jean Zilman or you can watch mean girls. Pick your poison. Pick a sign.

Yeah, they are like invert inversions. Those are my cliques. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Cleaks. Cliques. I think it's click. I think so. I think both are acceptable.

I was never in a click, so I'm not an expert. But I know. Is this a booey, boy thing? There were clicks. Yeah. I was a loner. Well, I'm not going to look it up. Tell us in the comments.

Who's an idiot? I'm not going to search this shit. All right. Can we do one more? All right, one more. I'll send on this one from Professor Trialabite. Question, do you feel that part of the reason why many animated shows are getting cancelled is because of the decades of Family Guy and South Park clones that have given adult animation a bad name and

the public and probably companies view it as a disposable media. So I guess this is kind of in the zeitgeist at the moment because of all these Netflix shows that are on the chopping block. Even after, I think, being renewed, what was that one about conspiracy theories? Inside job. The other day. Yeah, inside job. That was, yeah, I guess.

Was that 1899 that got canceled? Yeah, that got canceled. Yeah, not an anime, but it seems more like a streaming thing, to be honest. Yeah, I was going to say that. I'm going to say that exactly. Yeah, it's so like cutthroat. If you're not a squid game or something, like, you're just done for. I mean, like, even popular, successful shows, they just cancel.

And I'm wondering if the mentality behind it as, like, a business model is just thinking, like, well, the more shows we have, like, the volume of different shows we have, the more titles we have in our library, and we can boast that we have that many titles. like people who still want to watch inside jobs still have to come back to Netflix if they want to rewatch the first season or two or whatever you know and then you like make a new title or like I don't know they kind of yeah you're right the business model is casting a wide net that might be their thought process yeah yeah it's a shame for if you actually like quality content uh because the wide net approach does mean like your army of the dead

and stuff like that. And, what was that rock movie with Ryan Reynolds? Red notice. Red notice. Like these kinds of things tend to be what rise to the top and get like, I don't remember anything about that movie. Yeah, me neither.

Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bit upsetting in terms of that side of it. But it's kind of just always been the adult animation game. Animation is so, so expensive already. And then limiting it again. with it only kind of being an adult, edgier market, it's got to be something crazy,

successful like a Rick and Morty to even be seen as worth continuing, you know? Like, it's so rare for it to really catch on. Like, I wonder if, like, even BoJack nowadays would have been, like, cut if it was being nicer now. Right. Right. Probably, yeah. Honestly.

Yeah. Yeah, because that's got kind of bad, like, first season, too. so a lot of shows like require a couple seasons to even get going or kind of get the hook embedded. Exactly. Yeah. A lot of my favorite comedy shows like really get going later on, seasons two, three. Yeah. Simpsons gets really good at about season 26.

Well, the Simpsons, the first season's not so good. Yeah. Like the first season of the Simpsons is not like amazing. It makes me wonder if it would be good. I felt that way at one point, but rewatching it again. And it has some merit to it. It's a little less like... It's still the Simpsons.

Wacky. It's a bit more grounded. But I do like the first season a lot. The animation's really weird. I mean, it's dated, yeah. It's better than their current animation. Yeah, sure. They refined it like season two, though, season three.

Those models were like better, I thought. Yeah. Season two through four of the Simpsons is like, m'h-huffeuf's kiss. I love, yeah. Everything up to like... I don't know. Up to like season 10, I would say. Like 10 to 12.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like 12, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, like you said, it's just content in general. It's been getting canceled after one season now. Yeah, you have to either do really well or you just have no value to them. Yeah, even breaking bad.

Like, that kind of took a while to take off. Like, that wasn't an instant hit. Yeah. It took to like season four for people to get hooked on that. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching from the pilot. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There were people. It got huge. after a while you're right season four season four got huge once it once um like it got on Netflix or whatever I think it got a huge audience there

arguably like even bigger now which is a crazy one with yeah yeah it's all the memes still yeah I'll rewatch it someday that's why they made that spin off they're like we gotta keep making money off the show like they weren't making money off the show until it was over basically isn't he coming back for like a Super Bowl commercial

or something yeah for like chips or something Yeah, they need to make their fucking money on that show. I mean, bravo Vince. All right, well. What was the question? Oh, yeah, we answered it. It was about canceling. Yeah, I think we answered it, to be honest.

Why don't we cancel Netflix? Bam. Yeah. We'll show them. All right, I guess that's it for questions. And we have a film recommendation from Alex. Yeah. So, I really fancy doing a trilogy and these movies have been on my mind, especially because

of rings of power recently. And I don't know if Ralph was kind of, I don't know how he knew. Like when we started recording this, you introduced yourself. Oh, oh, no, really? Yeah. You're doing that. Good. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, guys, but I want to do the Hobbit trilogy.

Yeah. Extended or non-extended? I'm going to let you choose because. it's a lot of time I'm going to do extended because I've never seen the extended maybe I'll do both I mean like you just caught me on like

a Lord of the Rings binge oh really this is perfect I just finished Return of the King I'm like now I got to watch the Hobbit oh cool okay excellent awesome yeah I think it could be an interesting discussion

so yeah that must make like Peter Jackson one of the most recommended directors on the on the show good old PJ Yeah, right? Oh, well, yeah, plus the other two.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, eight movies, yeah. Mm. So, yeah, that should be a fun discussion. We did King Kong also. And King, King, yeah. On King Kong, man, yes, of nine. Yeah, nine movies.

We did nine PJs. We've done all of them except the Bones one, except the Sir Sharonin one. I mean, there's some that we haven't. Man. Yeah, maybe, yeah, there's another one. Okay, great. All right. Well, if you don't want to be spoiled for the Hobbit trilogy,

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