Sardonicast - Sardonicast 132: Oscar Nominations, Death to Smoochy

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Support the Show for $2 a month and receive all future episodes early at https://sardonicast.com and https://www.patreon.com/Sardonicast. Buy Sardonicast T-Shirts, and other merchandise at https://teespring.com/stores/sardonicast. Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/sardonicast Website: https://sardonicast.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Sardonicast Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/sardonicast Twitter: https://twitter.com/sardonicast Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sardonicast Sardonicast Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8AhJ0bzQgs5fb9m_ZCRqkw/featured Ralph's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/ralphthemoviemaker Alex's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/IHEOfficial Adam's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/YourMovieSucksDOTorg Alex's Twitter: https://twitter.com/IHE_OFFICIAL Ralph's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ralphsepe Adam's Twitter: https://twitter.com/2gay2lift Adam's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/YMS Ralph's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ralphthemoviemaker Intro music by: https://www.youtube.com/user/anUnkindnessvideo Fan art: https://old.reddit.com/r/Sardonicast/comments/10sgz92/sardinicast_fanart_of_the_boys/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Sardonicast/comments/10a8h7g/i_redrew_avengers_endgame_buts_its_sardonicast/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Sardonicast/comments/10sjaar/im_going_on_holiday_please_enjoy_this_low_effort/ Timestamps: 0:00 Intro, Oscar Nominations 47:56 Death to Smoochy 1:26:49 Questions

Three, two, one, it's a rocket ship. That's a quote from a movie. We watch. It's a rocket chip. It's a rocket chip. I'm Adam from your movie's sex. This is Sardonicast. Hello.

I'm Ralph SEPI from Smoochie. Your Smoochie? Yeah. Yeah, what? Yeah, I'm Alex from A.G. And I've already forgotten what, there's like another Smoochie character. What was it? Smoochie and...

Bucci's cousin Something Yeah Mucci It was Mucci The Maroon brown one Mucci that's right Drop the ass

Uh huh Man Munchy Yeah Yeah Great movie But speaking of great movies It's that time of year

Everybody The Oscars man They're here The thing we all care about The most Woohoo Yeah At least

At least it's not The Golden Globes. Or the Grammys. Or the 420 Awards. Yeah. Well, those are the best, the 420 Awards. Yeah, the Game Awards.

VJs. Yeah. I could not care less about the Grammys. I saw one interesting news bit from it, and that was that, what's your name? Viola Davis is now an Egot. Yeah. So I heard about that. Yeah.

It's pretty cool. Yeah, one of like what, six people or some shit? I don't know how many actually. Yeah, I just saw a clip from it of the guy revealing Harry Stiles award or something and it was, it was, like, quite a lot of it. It's in Harry Styles perform or something. It is the Grammys. I've never seen a Grammy show ever.

I mean, he didn't win. He didn't win anything for acting. No. For those of you listening who are confused what an EGOT is, it's when you win an Emmy a Grammy, an Oscar and a Tony. Yeah. So there's only a few people, I don't know, a dozen people. Yeah, we were just talking about that because they mentioned that in the film, Tar, that

Lydia Tar is like one of those. But we were saying like the director, the graduate, you know. Yeah, there's only like, what, like five people, right? So, yeah. That's great. Good for her. It's like Harvey Weinstein, Justin Royland. Who's the big boys?

Who else we get? Yeah, Mike Nichols is the director of the crack. I can look up the Egot winners. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's Mike Nichols, who's the grader. Ezra Miller. Mm-hmm. Wait, let me see.

Brian Singer. Audrey Hepburn, this one. There's double Egot, too. Oh, dubs? Some got dubs. Double Egot. Yeah. Two of each?

Uh-huh. Yeah, a person who has won all four awards at least twice. That's crazy. Robert Lopez. But there's a few, there's the Regal as well. Which is if you include a Razzie as well. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that one.

Rigo. They got re-relevant. Razies are irrelevant. They should erase that one. I said it was going to be an easy job. Wikipedia. Wikipedia is for relevant information. Come on.

It says Mel Brooks. Yeah, did Mel Brooks. That makes sense. Yeah. Uh-huh. Audrey Hepburn. Army Hammer. John Legend.

I saw some article about Army Hammer this morning where it was like, yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to, after the news dropped about him, he said something strange, like he wanted to swim out into the ocean until he was like eaten by a shark or something bizarre. Oh, that's funny because he's a cannibal. That's what Shilobov had like, I guess it triggered Shailabov to say a similar thing. he's like, I had a gun on the table. You know, it's like, yeah, I wonder how the victims felt. I don't trust Scylla Buf about anything. No.

He's dishonest and, yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's cool. That is very funny that Army Hammer was like, I was so depressed I wanted to get eaten. Yeah. A very one-track mind, I see. Clearly, yeah. All right, Alex, you want to read the Oscar Noms,

the Omnum? numbs. Yeah. Let's do this. Oh, I get it. I got it. Yeah. Okay.

So, let's start with the big one. Actor in a leading role. Nominees. Austin Butler for Elvis. Colin Farrell for the banshees of Inishirin. Brendan Fraser for the whale. Yay. Paul Meskell for Afterson and Bill Naif for living.

Have any favorites in this section? I feel like it's going to go to Austin Butler. I'm worried it will go to Austin Butler. Do you think so? Do you think so? I'm worried about that. Did you not like him in the role? I mean, he wasn't terrible, but it wouldn't be like top five of the year sort of thing for me.

And I think that the Oscars has a bias towards these like biopics where they're like, oh yeah, he reminded me so much of the real life character. It's like, okay, that's also partly casting, right? Like, you pick someone that kind of looks like them already. And now he's doing this weird fucking ad campaign for himself. self-free saying like I've permanently damaged my voice I can't speak normal anymore all I can say is baby baby baby baby and exactly not that he damaged his voice he like only talks like Elvis now like he can't get out the Elvis voice he said he's like I don't

know if that's true I think he's just doing a fucking Oscar buzz thing because remember for the that was hilarious Bohemian Rhapsody everybody's everybody clowns on that winning best editing but they don't remember that part of the reason why that happened is because this sob story behind it where they were like, well, yeah, the editor saved the movie because Brian Singer dropped out halfway through. And so it was the editor, like, nobody knew what was happening on set, but the editor saved it. And so they gave the editing award to a movie that had shit editing just because of the story behind it is what it seemed like happens. So I think that that's what Austin Butler is doing right now. Maybe call me insensitive. Maybe there's medical

records and he's like actually suffering through something, which is weird. And I don't understand why, but like, I just, I don't know. I think, I think Brendan Fraser deserves it the most, both for his performance and also maybe the sub story behind it. True, yeah. Yeah, it does seem like a depressing repeat of Bohemian Rhapsody. I don't know what it was about that whole, that movie, and now Elvis, like, that was one of my big takeaway seeing this list. It was like, man, as soon as I started seeing all the ads for Elvis, I was like, man, this is just not interesting to me. Yeah, but Elvis is a much It's a much better movie than Bohemian Rhapsody is

I mean that movie was really fucking bland And like you said it was a completely incompetent No It was carried by Rattie right I think that Elvis Elvis has more style Elvis at least had a hook Yeah and it was like about the story of You know the Tom Hanks character and whatever

And his control over Elvis It's like all right at least there's like a Like something a focus on there Whereas Bohemian Rhapsody it's like the worst of these fucking biopics. It reminds me of that new Whitney Houston one, which it's also the same writer, by the way, as Behemi Rhapsody.

And it's like, just like, yeah, basically beats of their life. Like, you know, A, B, C, they get a musical career. They, you know, have struggles or whatever. It's the same thing every movie. It's better when you do a biopic like Amadeus or something where it's like something different and different perspective.

Elvis, look, I didn't love it, but it was like, it's definitely better than Bohemian Rhapsody. Got some good acting. You know, it's definitely cheesy. It's super fucking cheesy. I mean, for sure. It depends on how you grade it. There's, there's some good acting in Elvis.

There's also some really bad acting. Like, Tom Hanks, what the fuck were you doing? You look at the actual real life person, the character that he's portraying, and you can hear him in interviews, he doesn't sound like that at all. I don't know what he was trying to do. Tom Hanks was doing a weird thing. He was really hamming it up in that. Yeah, super hammy.

But the whole movie was like cheesy. That was bizarre. I think it's, I think it's cruel to let Tom Hanks do that. I think that that is abuse from the director to let Tom Hanks do that. That's so weird that he was allowed to do that on set. Yeah. Okay, so like who else is nominated? I think that's like the main. I think it's between awesome Butler and.

I only, the only one I haven't seen is Living, which is apparently a remake of Ikiru. So I need to watch that first. Oh, is it? Yeah. That's cool. Is it? Okay. Interesting.

Interesting. I didn't even know that. Yeah. Colin Farrow, though, shout out to. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. He could win and I wouldn't be as upset about it if I'd rather win. I think he could win too.

If he won, I wouldn't. Yeah. I think he could possibly win. Yeah. It's entirely possible, as someone would say. Okay. It was a podcast. Actor in a supporting role, then.

Brendan Gleeson for Benchies, Brian, Tyree Henry for Causeway, Judd Hirsch for the fableman's Barry Cogan So you say it Coen? Keegan? I don't know Is it?

He's Irish Or I don't know I know man Is it like Kegan Michael Keyheen sounds Irish and puppet Yeah the Banshee obviously I don't know Q

Ki Hui Kwan For everything everywhere That was another thing that stood out Was like I really was not anticipating Everywhere Everything everywhere to get Really many nods at all

But it is all over this list And I'm personally quite pleased about that Some good, some really, not even just from that movie, but there's some really sensible nominations this year. I didn't mention like Paul Mescal. Like that's a crazy good nominate. He did great in that movie. Yeah. After son.

Yeah. And it wasn't expecting that because I didn't expect it to really get nominated for anything, maybe like screenplay. I don't know. But yeah, one nomination for the movie and it's not a bad one. And then, yeah, I like Brian Tyree Henry. He's been in a lot of great stuff. Haven't seen Causeway yet. But yeah, who else we got on this one?

Oh, yeah, Barry Keegan is like, I'm happy he's getting recognized. He's been great in like every movie, really. And he was a standout character in that movie. A lot of great first-time noms. Like three of the people on this supporting actor are just like first-time Oscar Nums. I think four. How many of them? Maybe they're trying to course correct for how bad last year's one was.

was it last year? I seem to remember being particularly just like, what is... It was really lame. There was a lot coming out. Yeah. Maybe that was more like COVID effect. Yeah, it was a bit of a stronger year.

This, this or last year, technically. Yeah, it was Stephen Soderberg's fault. It's all his fault. Yeah. How fucking dare he. Well, he did the, the weird Oscar stuff. He, like, produced the Oscars. Stephen Soderberg.

Oh, he does? I don't even know that. Yeah, he was the one responsible for like the weird like camera movements and like putting a. Oh, Black Panther best actor at the end and then that whole fucking weird dumpster fire. And yeah. With this, so like all the camera movements he shot at like traffic or something?

Yeah, it was like he was the one making decisions. It was they just let him do. Wow, that's interesting. Something and he fucked it up really bad. It was weird. Okay. Let's do actress in a leading role then if we want to move on. Kate.

Kate Blanchett from Tar. We have Anna de Armis for blonde. Andrea Riceborough for to Leslie, Michelle Williams, Faberman's, Michelle Yo, everything everywhere. Really, Anna kind of stands out to me for kind of the inverse reason to me. I thought she was good in it. It was just a bad, it was just a not very great movie. I mean, it's kind of messy movie, but I like to run it. I think that she was great at crying.

I think that if you're going to be in a movie where your accent is showing through the most of it, like, that's, that's, that's like at least one criticism of the performance. And if we're going to say five best of the year, I should not be thinking of any criticisms of the performance. I would say that it's entirely possible to find five performances. is in a year where there's nothing wrong with the performance. So I would just say, yeah, it doesn't really belong for me. It's entirely possible.

I wouldn't say she deserves a Razzie or anything, but like, yeah, I don't know if I agree. No, that's just, yeah. In best actress category. Yeah. Raziers just mean spirited. Yeah, they just pick on an actor or actress. It's fucking stupid. But yeah, I don't really mind her getting nominated.

I don't think she's going to win at all. I think probably Kate Blanchette. Yeah, she should. A sweet for Blanchette. Michelle Yoke could get it. Maybe, but Cape Blaine. Michelle Yo was great. My favorite actor and that was probably Kayu Kuan.

I think he would, or James Long. I think they were better. I don't know. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I'm with you. As good as she is as the lead. So there's a particular seemingly unprecedented

controversy in this category. So we've all never watched to Leslie and probably never heard of it. Andrea Reisberg. So they're investigating her right now because her nomination was not brought out of a studio-backed four-year consideration campaign, but because she went on social media and she was like, hey, everybody campaigned for me. And all of her peers and all of these other actors were like, you know what? You did like a fucking amazing job in this movie.

And they all pushed for her to get this Oscar campaign. And so now because it isn't like a money-backed push and it's like a genuinely. grassroots like, oh, people like the performance. They're investigating her being like, was there some, did you do something wrong? You're supposed to have money behind this. It's just like, holy shit, really? Like, you get this one like, this one inkling of like, oh, maybe the Oscars aren't so fake. Like, and then they're like, we got to look into this.

Which things we got to punish her. Because the studio didn't, yeah, there was no four-year consideration campaign for her from the actual production company or studio. It was all celebrities back. They're investigating over it. Like, what the fuck? Barack Obama retroactively, like, put it on his best of the year list. Yeah.

I hadn't really looked into this movie before, but it's got like 4K ratings on MDB. It's like, clearly. Very small movie. Yeah. Looks really interesting. Yeah. Supposedly the performance is really good. And yeah.

Yeah, yeah. She's been in a few other things and I've enjoyed her. So it'll be interesting to see. I'm looking forward to that, actually. Maybe the movie's shit and the performance is really great, but who knows? Okay. Actress in a supporting role. Angela Bassett for Black Panther.

Hong Chow, the whale. Kerry Condon, the banshees of Inshiren. Jamie Lee Curtis, everything, everything. That is bizarre. And Stephanie, too, for everything everywhere. It's funny, yeah. How many nominations they're tossing at that movie. Everything is everyone.

Yeah, out of all of them, though, that Jamie Lee is a strange one. Why not? All the other ones I can get behind from some angles. It's not that she's bad in the movie or anything, but it's just like, huh, that's really not, if we're talking,

you know, best supporting role in a year, it's not really what kind of pops into my head. No. That's it. This is her first Oscar, also. So it might be one of those,

like, oh, yeah. They just, yeah, they're finally inviting her. Like, well,

she'd probably been there before. Yeah, you're in a big notable Oscar movie. Exactly. Yeah, we're going to nominate you now. Uh-huh. So, yeah.

Apparently, yeah, I haven't seen new Black Panther, but apparently Angela does really good. Yeah, how is Angela? You're the only one who's seen it, I think, Ralph, of us through. Yeah, she was very good in it. Yeah. I liked her performance in it a lot. And I liked the movie, too. I probably thought it was better than the first one.

Remember that whole controversy where they tried to invent a category for the first Black Panther? That was fun. Well, this time they just, yeah, they just nominated it for awards and no one cares. Like an acting award. That's what they should have done the first time. Yeah. Anyway.

Stupid. Yeah. Okay. Um, animated feature then. We got Giamos, Pinocchio. Marcel the Shoe, the Shell with shoes on. Try saying that three times over. I know.

Puss and Boots, The Last Wish, the Sea Beast and Turning Red. It's a very interesting year for, like, animated movies. I thought, I haven't seen Puss and Boots yet, but the rest of those, I'm like, those are really interesting category. Like, all those movies were. pretty good. The ones I saw anyway. Did you watch the Sea Beast? No, not that was. I saw like half an hour of the sea beast. It really wasn't that interesting. But the rest of them, yeah, I like turning red. No light year there. Um, not that it should have been there. I was just saying no light year.

Turning red, which I thought was better. Yeah, I like turning red more. So I'm glad that was nominated. Yeah, too gay. And I liked Pinocchio and I liked Marcel. I thought those were both great. Yeah. And they were very different kinds of animation. I think, I think Pinocchio has a really good chance. at winning, the Academy likes Germo, obviously, and they don't watch all the animated movies anyway, that's been documented. I think Puss and Boots is the best

one out of all of them, honestly. I think it works really well. And I do also like Marcel the Shell more than I like Pinocchio. Only one I haven't seen is Sea Beast, so. I probably like Marcel better too. Yeah.

But I like both. Yeah. I got ripped them the same. Bad. I just, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It seems like the obvious choice if we're talking about the, what the academy's going to pick.

Yeah. There's kind of like two fuck you Disney's in the nominations. Uh-huh. Yeah. Pinocchio and Puss. Pooce. Yeah. Light, you're not being nominated or a strange world.

That's kind of a fuck you to Disney from the academy. It's time. Time's out. Do good, Disney. Do better. Yeah. But yeah, who, even they would struggle to make a case through either of those movies belonging on this list, I feel. Those were both flops.

They were in their four-year consideration campaigns. I went over those. I was like, light year. Can you please nominate it for every category? I'm like, okay. Yeah. Well, doesn't Disney always do that? It's funny.

It's funny. Don't they campaign for like Star Wars? Yeah. The last one that just came out, the, you know, Rise of Skywalker. Well, I mean, like in a couple years ago, like, like, like three years ago maybe, all of these for your consideration campaigns used to be like a bit more reserved. They'd be like, hey, nominate this film and then specifically for categories, we think the directing really stands out and like this performance. But it seems like in this past year,

I looked at all the different studios for your consideration campaigns. They're just, they're going all in. They're going everything everywhere all at once, basically. And just like nominate all of our movies for every category. And I'm like, damn, the Oscars looks like they're going to have to do their own work from now on. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Cinematography's next and kind of in a collectic mix here. Yeah.

We got all quiet on the Western front. Bardo, false chronicle of a handful of truths. Elvis, Empire of Light and Tar. Oh, okay. So I haven't seen all these movies, but I've seen, like, clips and trailers so I know, like, enough about, like, how they look like. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, there's the obligatory deacon. shout out, I guess. Is that Empire of Light? Yeah, it is. Yeah. It looked so boring. I haven't seen it. Yeah, the movie looks boring, but the best part of it looks like the look of the movie.

Exactly. Oh, it looks cool. I think Tarr would be a great win. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think that the cinematography really stands out in that movie. Yeah. I agree.

I mean, it's just a really awesome movie in general, but... It's just everything about the movie. Yeah. It's pretty perfectionist. Uh-huh. compared to like a lot of the other nominees you know yeah how do you guys feel about Alquah on the Western Front I haven't seen it yet I watched this like a few months ago I haven't seen it yeah I thought it was going to be kind of like a 1917 situation again where

it gets a bunch of nominations or something mm-hmm how do you feel honest I don't really remember that's if we're talking about cinematography I don't really remember as much as they do with like a tar you know or something like that yeah I can remember a lot of that and the visuals. Yeah. Like specific choices as to how each scenes shot. Like I remember that very well about TAR. Sticks with you.

Yeah, I'll be checking out All Quiet on the Western Front soon. I just, I want to watch the original first. I'll be checking out Bardo soon. Yeah, let me know what you think. That's another one. Yeah, that's another one. I like the. It's kind of polarizing.

I'm curious how you feel about it. Yeah, I like the cinematography. No. Like I could just, well, I know that directly like a lot of white angles, I'm guessing. Yeah, yeah. It looks great. The R.E. 2 is always great visually. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No strong feelings. Okay. Costume design. Yeah, I guess not.

Tar. Yeah, I would say tar. Costume design, we got Babylon, Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, Elvis, everything everywhere, and Mrs. Harris goes to Paris. It's funny. I'm surprised to see. Yeah. also surprised to see everything everywhere, right? Is that what you're going to say? I was surprised to see Babylon. Oh, well, because it's kind of like a period piece and they're wearing

fancy rich people clothes. Yeah, but it wasn't well received, but yeah, I guess. Fancy rich people that voted the Oscars get to role play for a little bit and being like, oh, what if I was rich in the 50s or whatever? Just instead of rich now. I wanted to wear the 50s rich people clothes. I go to a 50s. They watch the movie. They're like, I should have a, I should have an old party. We should all dress up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Babylon. themed party. Yeah, where we all do copious amounts of cocaine. Yeah. Oh, what a time to be alive. Bring in an elephant. What do you think is the logic then with the everything everywhere? I think that there's a lot of costumes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because there's parts of the movie where, you know, they're shape-shifting and dimensions.

And so there's, there's lots of costumes. And the Oscars likes when there's lots of whatever the category is. Yeah. So no strong feelings in this category. I think Elvis might get it because there's specific costumes of like, you know, the white Elvis costume on stage and it's just so iconic looking that I think, I don't know, there's something that people will go like, oh, yeah, that was a good costume I liked, you know? Yeah, even though it's inspired from something real.

But yeah, I guess that's a different set of challenges. But that often is why it wins. They're like, oh, it looks exactly like this thing that existed. that member berries yeah that we say all the time yeah I wouldn't mind Elvis or like Babylon I mean Black Panther had good costumes too I have no strong preference on that

yeah so I'm debating whether or not like watch Mrs. Harris goes to Paris you know I'm like I'm not gonna watch this one of wood you're not gonna give it a shot oh you're so dismissive of movies

you're not even gonna try Hey, maybe one day. It could be so, it could be the best movie the year, you don't know. Yeah. You haven't seen every movie. Yeah. Yeah, right. All right, next category.

We got a big one directing. Boo. So we got the banshees, Finnishuren, everything everywhere, the faberman's, Tar and Triangle of Sadness. Spielberg's got it. I don't think he deserves it, but it would be cool. if the Daniels one though. Do you think? Yeah, it seems like so obvious, isn't it? That's just so disappointing. Like, some of these other movies are so interesting,

especially like everything everywhere if it could get. It would be cool if Daniel's got it. That'd be fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they will. I wouldn't be upset with Todd Field either, but I don't think they're going to give it to them. Yeah, it's a tough one. I'm really not sure because those are all good picks. probably right. It's probably Spielberg. They're probably just going to give it to him. Well, yeah, because he made a movie about his own movies. They're like, they were giving this award to all Spielberg films.

They made a movie. The Academy loves movies about like the magic of cinema. Yeah, and there's so many of them now. The artist, you know, they gave it to that and La La Land. No, well, actually, they didn't give that best picture. Part of my confusion. I mean, they messed up the cards or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, they gave some things to all the land.

They love movies like that, as the point. They love movies that are about Hollywood, that are about how amazing movies are. Yeah. I still love the... I thought Fableman's was a great movie, but... Yeah, they will give it... Not because it's a great movie,

because it's about movies. And they love that. The Fableman just feels like an Oscar Bate movie, and that's kind of what pisses me off about it, you know? Yeah. Just feels like it's there to win Oscars, and that's why the movie was me. Was that a she said nominated?

I don't see it here. No. To me that feels like an Oscar Bate movie. Oh yeah? Fable Mints was actually like enjoyable. We had like, like I, again, what the bullshit. Oh, it's about movies or whatever. It was a good drama too.

Like it was about his life and I don't know. I thought it was interesting. I thought that it was very masturbatory. and that by the end of the movie, it felt like the first act had finished, and they forgot to write a second and third act. And without spoiling anything, I think it kind of rides, the impressions of the film kind of ride off of the high of a very funny cameo near the end of the film.

And that kind of leaves everyone into just leaving the theater with a really good mood. Because that scene was awesome. That was the best scene in the movie, but the rest of it was just so uninvesting to me. Yeah, I did like that scene. It's the standout scene. It's crazy. It's definitely the most notable part of the movie.

Well, we got documentaries next. We can rocket through these. All that breathes, all the beauty and the bloodshed, fire of love, a house made of splinters, and navelny. Navalny. Navalny. Yeah. I haven't seen any of these, so I don't really have any comment. Yeah, no idea.

I've seen three of them. So, uh, fire of love was awesome. Out of the three that I've seen, that would be my favorite would highly recommend. Watch on a good screen with good sound. It's really good.

Uh, house made of splinters. Very sad. I don't think it's going to win. I don't know. Surprised it's nominated, actually. Navalny,

very boring and kind of just like opportunistic. Just like, you know, it's a, it was a documentary that was rushed out as a surprise, like, addition to Sundance. And it was like,

Oh, because this is a big news item. But it was just like, it didn't say anything that. It was just so boring. It was like, it didn't say anything new. It was not providing any like substantive information about it. All that Breeze won best documentary at Cannes and at Sundance. Haven't seen that yet. And then all the beauty at the bloodshed won the Joker award at Venice.

So that should be interesting. Yeah. It didn't blonde win at Venice too? Blonde got a long-standing. Ovation, I don't know if it, I don't think it won the Joker award. Because that was the same years this one. It was like, yeah, it was well received there. So all the beauty won.

Yeah, that's right. It was super well received at Venice. Yeah, got standing ovation. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, Fire of Love would be my pick, but I haven't seen two of them, so. Yeah, I'd like to see Fire of Love. Out of all those, that seems the most interesting.

Yeah, I think it's on Disney Plus or something. Yeah, because it's National Geographic. Really? I wasn't. Yeah. Oh, cool. You can check it out right now. Get to see volcanoes.

It's great. It's a really... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's an awesome movie. Yeah, the visuals look crazy. It is. Yeah. What about the short film category then?

Haven't seen any of them. Okay, I won't bother racking them off then. We'll go straight to film editing then. So we've got banshees again. We got Elvis, everything everywhere, tar, and Top Gun Maverick. Is that the only one for Top Gun in there? Top Gun has sand. and something else maybe I don't know but oh yeah yeah this best picture oh yeah that too oh that's right

yeah it's an adapted screenplay man I kind of want to say everything everywhere for this there's a lot of great editing in all of these movies I do not love the editing in Elvis it is it feels like I'm watching a trailer the whole movie there's a lot of bizarre choices yeah that's the only one from this list where it kind of feel slighted if it won I think yeah I think I've seen all the others. I don't think it will. Yeah. Yeah. Everything everywhere, yeah. You were talking about Alex and when we were talking about it, swarm editing.

Yeah. It's a really new technique. I don't know if the Academy gives a shit. Yeah. Just the scrappy creative approach. But I don't know if, yeah, you're right. Maybe I'm still even. Yeah.

It's listed for so many categories. Presumably it's going to win something that, you know, I'm just going to get some. Probably best picture at this point. Man, yeah Don't hold your breath Yeah, I would be happy I just don't want I want to be disappointed

If it doesn't I won't be Disappointed if it's not Elvis or the Fableman No No No No

No No No No, the matter what it is People are going to be disappointed If it's not that I just don't want people

It would be like Oh In the street crying Fucking Yeah Yeah Suicidal or whatever Riot

It's just the Oscars They don't matter Yeah international feature film is next we got all quiet in the western front Argentina, 1985 close EO and the quiet girl EO is a weird one to put there but haven't seen the rest of them no decision to leave I know I feel like you could have taken out EO to put decision to leave there but I wonder why they didn't do that yeah I've only seen all quiet

in the Western front out of those really contrast. Makeup and hairstyling then. Again, all quiet on the Western front. The Batman, Black Panther, Elvis, and the whale. The Batman had great makeup. And the whale also. Both stand out.

Yeah. I just feel like the whale will probably get it, to be honest. Yeah. Again, no strong preference there. Yeah. Is that the only award for Batman, I guess, too? They have a sound award. No, there's a couple other ones.

Nomination. Visual effects. Yeah. Okay, music then. We'll go out on the Western Front. Babylon, banshees, everything everywhere, and the fabulmans. That's interesting. I don't know who's going to get it.

Again, I'd want Sun Lux for this, but, man. Same here. It's a very versatile score. A lot of different styles. Yeah, but do you think they're just going to hand it to John Williams there? It might be a hand it to John Williams situation. But we don't know. Seems it's a few of these.

And then Carter Burwell is also a big name, so. Yeah. I really like the score for Babylon. I thought that was a great score. It's one of the best parts of the movie for me. It won't get it. Fudu Mama. Yeah, it's like, it's memorable.

I like that about it. Yeah. You know, that Damien Chazelle loves jazz. He loves music. puts a lot of thought into that in his movies and it shows. That's all. But yeah, give it to John Williams. Yeah, fuck it.

If I had to put money down, like it. If I had to put money down, yeah. John Williams. And yeah, Sunlocks, excellent work on that, too. Yeah, John Williams. Music, then, original song. Aplause from Tell It Like a Woman. Hold my hand from Top Gun Maverick.

Lift me up from Black Panther. Natu, Natu from R, R, R. and this is a life of everything everywhere. So tell it like a woman has 77 ratings on IMDB and I don't even know where to see it or like what the fuck this movie is. Like what is this? Like investigate this movie.

What is this? That's bizarre. I don't know. Who made this? Oh, Catherine Hardwick directed a segment. Okay, it looks like a bunch of different segments. Interesting. Oh, okay.

But yeah, who knows? It's just there as a placeholder And then yeah, people thought Yeah, oh my God Jason Blum This tweet was deleted shortly after But he made a tweet saying Mark my words

RRR will win Best film at the Oscars Like best picture I was like what Before the nominations were And he deleted the tweet And people are adorned that movie He must have been on drugs

I don't know what that tweet was I feel like everyone who loves RR is on drugs Yeah, not too, not to. That's what's nominated for best song. I guess I will check out Arr-R-R-R-R. I just hate the best song category.

They should just do it away with it. Yeah, the only reason it's theirs so they could get the musicians to come and perform at the Oscars and they give them an award. It's a Lady Gaga get win in E-Gut. Exactly. Well, they can have Lady Gaga show up, yeah. Which is great.

Yeah, so they can play songs at the Oscars. The only one I feel strongly about is this is a low. being a David Byrne fan. And that actually kind of in absolutely. Oh yeah, and Mitzki is in it which is pretty cool.

Yeah, yeah. Love that score. Yeah, I would give it to that. It's like the Yeah, the Lady Gaga one at the end of Top Gunn wasn't exactly my favorite, but nope, whatever.

Great movie though. Yeah. The big one, their best picture. All quite in the Western Front, Avatar, the way of water, the Benchies, Elvis, everything everywhere. Fair, Feywomen's, Tar, Topga Maverick, Triangle of Sadness and Woman Talking, Man, is it just going to be Faywomen's?

Fucking, I don't know. Tar is my favorite movie out of all of them, but I think it might go to everything everywhere. If it goes to the Fablemans, I would just be so disappointing. Banshees could get it maybe, I don't know, but Elvis would be disappointing, everything else. Avatar would be disappointing. I don't think it's happening. There's no way. I feel like it would be really cool if a Top Gun Maverick won. I think it has a solid chance at winning because people love that movie. I wouldn't be that disappointed about it.

I wouldn't be disappointed. I think it has a solid chance. I mean, it's definitely, you know, up there for me. Yeah, if we're talking about, like, broad cinema appeal, like, it's probably the movie that's, like, kind of come out of nowhere and connected with the biggest audience. Like, was anyone expecting that movie to be what it was and how good it was, how big it wound up being? Like, I certainly didn't. Yeah.

It might be my favorite movie on this list aside from everything everywhere and tar. Really? Maybe Banshees. Yeah. Did you watch Triangle Sadness yet, Ralph? Yeah, I did. I really liked it. I don't think I loved it as much as everyone else, but I liked it.

I made fun of the part of the beginning when he says, show us your triangle of sadness. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, whatever, were you some kind of triangle of sadness? People like that. Anyway. Okay, a couple more here then. Production design, all quite in the Western front. Avatar, the Way of Water, Babylon, Elvis, and the Fabermans.

Fuck it, who cares? Yeah, I've got no strong feelings on this one. Production design? Yeah, no strong feelings. It is like, just... Avatar is just such an interesting one, because it's just such an interesting one, because it's just such a different way of making a movie than all these other ones. Yeah, that's why I'm caught up on as well. I feel like I'd, yeah, I'd go that, yeah.

Because the production design of an avatar, yeah, that's just a total inverse of something like a all quite in the Western front. Yeah. Or a Babylon. They made the movie in the Matrix. Yeah. Effectively, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, but it's like a whole different, you know, way of making a movie.

It's not like, oh, it's easier. You don't have to make props. It's a whole other set of obstacles, you know? Yeah. It's just an entirely different thing. Just giving its own category. This year, our nominations for the Avatar Award are Avatar, the Fableman's. Yeah.

I was just saying like earlier last year, I think in a tweet, like people have this weird stigma against like anything, anything made in a computer, anything CGI, any kind of electronic music, they just, they don't count it as art, which is very weird. They don't think it like takes as much work to like make something like avatars. It does a Babylon. But it's it does. It's just different set of rules. And yeah, I don't know. I would probably give it to Avatar. I don't know.

You could almost make the case that Avatar belongs in the animation section. Yeah. Yeah. And that Marcel the Shell doesn't. Yeah, true. Man, there's like no logic. no consistent logic with this. Not not really.

Yeah. The lines are being blurred over time. Yeah. Yeah. It's just whatever they feel like. Unless there's any short film animated or live action, you guys really want to shout out right now. Skip over those and go straight to sound.

Walk out in western front. Avatar the Way of Water, the Batman, Elvis and Top Gun. I think Top Gun was the loudest movie, so it's going to get it. Yeah. I'd say the Batman. Was the Batman louder than Top Gun? No. It had some loud scenes. I think Top Gun's got it.

Yeah, I think Top Gun's probably the loudest on there. Or maybe Avatar. Avatar is pretty loud. Top Gun, I'll probably get that. Okay, visual effects then. All quiet in the Western Front. Avatar, the way of war to the Batman, Black Panther, and Top Gun. Avatar.

Is that an avatar? I mean, it has to win visual effects. Yeah. It literally has to at this point. Yeah Yeah Yeah the only other one I don't know maybe top gun

Were there was even visual effects I thought they just flew planes around Yeah most of it seemed like pretty practical So if they're If the whole movie was animated Then I guess they did great It's all under the umbrella of yeah Special effects

So I guess practical effects count too Visual effects it's not necessarily CG Well yeah that's the thing there right It's like some of the best special effects the ones you don't even notice. So it is, but when you're up against an avatar, it's almost like unfair when the whole thing is visual effects. It's like the whole thing.

Yeah, I mean, like, the category doesn't say computer animated effects. So a visual effect can be something that's just practical anyway. Exactly. That's why it's a weird category. It should really be like two. Practical and CGI. Yeah. Best animation.

Yeah. Best CGI and best effects or best practical effects. I don't know. Something like that. Because, yeah, it's different. Like that, the chase scene in the Batman, that car chase was like all CGI. Oh, nice. Super impressive.

I'd probably give it to that, if not Avatar. If Avatar didn't come out. Yeah. It was dark. This shit you don't even notice. Yeah, well, they hide it well with the rain and whatever. Editing, cutting to them in the cars. Uh-huh, exactly.

But yeah, you don't even notice it. That's, I think it's Weta did that. Nice. Yeah, super great, like, effects studio. Yeah. If I'm not wrong. Well, uh, we've got two more here. So the penultimate one is writing.

Adapted screenplay. All quite on the western front. Glass onion and knives out mystery. That's a weird one for me. Talk a maverick and woman talking. I'm confused. What's it adapting? Yeah.

Is that because it's based on a Beatles song? Is it the Beatles song? No, because it's a sequel. The Glass Onion? That's what makes it adapted. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Because I was wondering that too.

Yeah, that makes more, you're right out of it. It's because it's a single. I'm like, is it based on the, is that why? The Beatles. It's like a two-minute song. I mean, it probably didn't get much from it. I mean, yeah, that's fun. Okay, you're right.

You're totally right. Interesting, though, that it's in there too. I just think that, like, out of what I enjoyed in that movie, the screenplay wasn't, like, up there. But that's, it's only not. Glass Sonia. I know, the screenplay could have had some work done on it. Oh, yeah, it's like a murder mystery. You feel like probably the writing has to be.

pretty strong. It's probably the strongest part of it for me. It's a weird one to say top five of the year for. You know? Yeah. It's interesting. Sarah Polly's getting a writing nomination. I was expecting her to get a directing nomination because right now it's like just five, I mean, I guess six dudes and no women. Six dudes. I guess a woman won last year, so we got to take it back. Bringing it back down to Earth. Yeah. I think you made a point alike. They choose a lot. The, the one, movies they picked this year were a lot more casual or more, there was more variety to what they picked. It's usually like kind of all Oscar bait movies. Yeah, I think there's some good numbers this

year. It was like a little more kind of movies that normal people would, yeah, like Glass Onion, I feel is one of them or Top Gun, Black Panther, you know, those are movies that are more accessible, even everything everywhere. Those are like more accessible movies that they still nominated. Yeah, yeah. I feel like that's kind of rare for them. Or if it, if it is, what they do do, it's like one or two movies, you know, and they don't give them anything. Like, everything everywhere has a solid chance of winning Best Picture, and so does Top Gun Maverick.

Look, those are not out of the question. So. Well, last award then is original screenplay. Banshees of Inshare and Everything Everywhere. Fableman's Tar and Triangle of Sadness. Hmm. Man. Who's got it?

I see, maybe Banshees. Yeah, maybe Banshees. It's a really good screenplay. Yeah. Yeah. I'd go with that too. That's really what I'd give it to, out of those. I wonder if Triangle could get it.

Because sometimes they like giving screenplay to things where it's like, I like the point you're making in your movie. I don't know. Yeah. Well, that's the list, man. Yeah, interesting year. Like, honestly, compared to a lot of other years, there's some really, really great nominations in here.

As I've said, like a lot of first-time actors, actresses and a lot of like really sensible really cool things to nominate of just people that I like and performances that were good so not as bullshity as it could have been so great job Oscars so far yeah well that's that man you did it did it you did it thank you Alex it's okay my votes for a green book again yeah just for everything that's right the fablemans would be like a green book you know Yeah, just obvious, yeah. And Elvis would be a Bohemian Rhapsody.

All right. It's not as bad as Bohemian Rhapsody. It's not as bad, but it reminds me of it. Yeah, okay, that's fine. I was kind of convinced I was never going to watch that movie. Elvis? I'm kind of curious now. It's just more entertaining the Bohemian Rhapsody.

Like, it was just, it was fucking ridiculous. I think you'll have a ball with it. I would rather it be ridiculous than fucking boring, which is what Bohemian Rhapsody is. I saw the he's white clip like being shot around. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. He's white. So maybe a little, maybe a little.

I think Tom Hanks got like a Razzie nom for this or something. He was so over the top of it. I don't know why they let him do that. I just don't know why they let him. Somebody's stopping. Yeah, I love Tom Hanks. Between this and Pinocchio. Oh, yeah, God.

He had quite a year. And that movie he was in, the Apple Plus movie with the fucking robot. Chapby or what is it? What the fuck is it called? It's not Chapie? What is it called? The movie where he's in an Apple Plus movie with a robot. God damn it.

The man called Otto, is it that? No, no. There's no robot in that, Alex. The fucking Tom Hanksville am I can think of right now Should we look it up I'm curious what this I don't think I've heard of that What you're talking about

Finch That's what it's called Oh you're right I have seen ads for this actually What's it cool It's called Finch That's right That was that this year

That's chappie Okay I've never Oh yeah I saw this poster And I thought This is not going to stay in my memory and it didn't. Finch.

Is Finch him or is Finch the robot? I've seen the movie. I don't even remember. Yeah, he's Finch, apparently. Does the robot run on, like, Mac software or what? Is it an iOS? Like Wally, yeah. Yeah.

And then Tom Hanks is like, I'm a PC. And the robot's like, I'm a math. I run faster. You're a loser. All right. Yeah. That's like, that's like the equivalent of a company producing a commercial that's just the Wojack soy shit.

Like, I'm a Chad. You're a virgin. Like, that's basically what that ad campaign was. That's funny. All right. I recommended a movie, regrettably, called Death to Smoochie. It's directed by a, uh, directed by, uh, Daniel DeVito?

New guy on the scene, I guess. Yeah, up and coming. And, yeah, Robin Williams and Edward Norton, Catherine Keener, some names. John Stewart was in it. That was weird. Yeah. Really weird.

And, yeah, there's a, Robin Williams is like a disgraced kids show host guy. And he wants to kill, smoochy who appears after and he's jealous or something and it's very boring and very unfunny and I summary I am worse because of this film yes really what is the deal with this fucking film

oh my god it felt like a yeah like an attack I don't know what the hell they're trying to go for with this one but I did the classic I'll try not to check if a movie's like boring me to I'll try not to look at like the my watch or the time code and I like make a guess. Okay, maybe maybe this is like towards the end like based on how this feels right now, the way things are flowing. Yeah. And I did that and I looked at the fire.

I looked at the timer and one hour it passed and I was like no. No. Yeah. It's like 40 minutes of this left. Oh my God. I can't. It genuinely felt like a four hour long movie. It's an hour and 49 minutes.

It genuinely felt like four hours. It felt almost as long as like the Hobbit movies we just watched. Yeah. It was like, it went off forever. I would rather watch that trilogy again than this one year. The structure of it was so weird because there's a point like Edward Norton's character gets like canceled. I thought that was like the end of the movie.

It's like, but it's like 40 minutes in. The movie still goes after that. Yeah. Like recovers and there's like more movie after that. I'm like, Jesus. I thought that was like the low point or something. Yeah. The movie, you're right.

It's quite trill or loud, I guess is the word for it. I noticed especially like the music choices where they were very just loud. music choices that were kind of obnoxious to where if I would get up to leave the room for like a second because the movie wasn't very interesting. I got like a drink or something. The music would start like blaring in the other room because like the next scene would start. It was just so loud. I'm like Jesus, I have to like run back in and like lower the TV. But also like the sounds they chose for the set. Ironically they kind of scored it like a children's movie even though they're trying to do the whole like, you know, the juxtaposition of the edgy guy playing the kids.

character and this that makes it funny yeah that which makes it funny yeah yeah but no the music was like really strange it made a lot of the it just made the intentions really unclear to me because there's yeah there's this whole crime angle and they seem to want to also have this like romance angle but also everything is a huge joke and nothing matters yeah that was it too the movie just had like no like stakes because everything felt like a cartoon yeah it was a it was a that insisted that it was outrageous, you know, it insisted it was funny and it just wasn't living up to it. And it was like, oh, but it's, you know, we're not, it's ironic or something.

It's a joke. Robin Williams, like just hamming it up, like slapstick and all, like crashing into walls and just being crazy. In the same time they got the, I got one laugh and it was like a shock laugh because I just was not ready for it or anticipating it. Yeah. You know, the Nazis scene? I figured you were, yeah, yeah, I'm going to say that.

That's like the only notable thing about the movie other than the title. Yeah. And it's like just to get to that scene. Like none of it makes like any sense or is like any kind of like fun, but it's like so stupid. That's why me, but yeah, the cartoon logic. It doesn't matter ultimately because they just, they immediately resolve that situation. Exactly. Yeah.

So it doesn't really even carry through into the rest of the film. And Robin Williams is his character. ends up getting rewarded for it. Like, it doesn't even really matter. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. It's so frustrating just to like watch that happen. Because you're like, wait, this doesn't make sense, like, how any of this would happen.

Like, like, why there are all these Nazis there? It's just like, it makes no sense. A huge whole way. Yeah. Like, were they genuine fans of Smoochie? Yeah, exactly. Like, were they hyped to watch Smoochie or did they all get paid individually to show up there? And they were set in silence?

Seems like they were just hyped for Smoochie. Yeah, they sat in silence. I feel like that seemed like that could work in like a different movie where the tone was right. Because it's something like this. It reminded me almost of like Anchorman where the characters are like kind of larger than life, exaggerated cartoonish. But Anchorman, it was just much funnier and it was more of like, it was just more clear what the satire was.

It wasn't trying to. Yeah, you could tell it was a comedy for a start. Yeah. And the tone of this was just all over the place. Like, yeah, it's like kind of a kiddie tone, but then they, like, say, fuck and they do all these, like, someone gets shot. You know, it's like, all this shit that's like more adult. And the tones are clashing. And I get what they're going for.

I think that's the point, but it's just very frustrating to watch because it's not very funny. It's insisting, like you're saying, it's insisting that it's funny, but it's just not. And it's very kind of obnoxious as a result. Yeah, but there are like genuine, like, Roger Rabbit is a kid's film, but it's still, like, an edgy noir that has like a bunch of you know kind of heavier weirder stuff in it with a consistent turn i was just that was the only thing i could really think of it's like kind of along these sort of lines but working you know yeah because it is trying to do that kind of noir thing especially with like the villain character with the you know the lighting and the hat and the costumes

and the blinds uh the lighting was so uh yeah yeah and like you describing like the story and the acting and yeah the colors even like it's all like a visual barrage and attack like whenever they're in the like the studio or the boardrooms and stuff like yeah it looks so ugly going for yeah it's so like gaudy to look at it's horrible it was like not quite at the level of live action cat in the hat but it was somewhere in between you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so the movie was directed by danny davido i don't know if we said yeah yeah This is his first movie. Uh-uh.

No, he did Matilda before this. He directed a couple of other things. Oh, oh, shit, really. Like, that was his one that he did before this. I actually like Matilda. Yeah, it's not bad. It's better than this. Yeah, I remember, yeah.

Yeah. I didn't realize he made that first. Yeah, well, this movie just, right, it feels kind of like a barrage of colors. It's so oversaturated and cartoonish. It's just, it's hard to, care about what's happening when, you know, like you said, he goes to a Nazi rally. Everyone photographs him. He's like set to jail and then like the next day he's fine. He like has a career again. It's just no, it's just like, why do we even care about the story? Nothing matters.

It's not funny. Like, who gives a shit? Yeah. You know? It doesn't really escalate. So why did, so like, I don't understand why Robin Williams got fired because so what? Like, some parents gave him money to cast him. kid in the show. Like, if, if he has the power to do that, then why would he get in trouble for doing that? Who got him in trouble? Like, what, you're not allowed? Like, what? How is that, like, a fireable offense? Yeah, they just kind of call him a criminal. That's all they really say. Yeah, it was like, he, he committed a crime. That was a crime. Like, they could have just had something different. Like, he did drugs or something. Like, maybe there was a scandal with that. That would

and better? Like, what was his major crime? Yeah, beats me. It just seemed like they've just wanted or were more relying

on just Robin Williams to try and, like, carry it. Because it's like, yeah, material. Like, come on, Robin,

just do something wacky and crazy for this scene to try and sell it. Yeah, yeah, say something funny, yell. Do that Scottish

accent we love when you come a stand-up? Why don't you do that? When you said the movie made you laugh once, it made me laugh once too. It's when Robin and Williams just yells like, motherfucker, like in the movie.

That made, that kind of broke me. That was the only time I think I laughed. Yeah. Um, was from him. Yeah, Robin Williams, you know, tremendous talent. You know, I miss him. Amazing actor. Yeah.

She wasn't utilized to his fullest in this film. Three of the leads. Like, these are all extremely capable. I love Edward Norton, too. I just saw him in Glass-Union. He gave a great comedic performance in that. Right. And here, it's lame.

lame. Yeah, this might be the worst I've ever seen I would know. I'm trying to wrap my brain. It's bizarre. Notably awful and just, yeah, like strange. His accent changes throughout the movie too. Like sometimes he's got like this weird like southern drawl that kind of like Yeah.

His whole character is he's like a health nut. He's obsessed with that and he wants to be, he's like naive and true to the kids or whatever. And it's like played for laughs until all of a sudden, oh no, Catherine Keena is romantically interested in him, I guess, and it turns out she was also, Robin Williams was her ex, so now it's like this weird love triangle. She has a thing for, like, kid show hosts. Yeah. Which she even says.

Clearly. It's very weird. Yeah. I didn't like her character much. Again, she's a good actor, but her character is very, you know, poorly written in this. She's the only actor that didn't kind of disappoint me in the film. Her character's not great for sure But she didn't do like the worst job I guess

Whereas everyone else I was like What are you doing right now? Everybody else had a lot of issues John Stewart What was with his hair? His hair was so weird His hair was awful Yeah was that intentional to try and like embarrassing

I think so I think he's you know Kind of like a Steve Carell and anchor man Where he's supposed to look kind of weird But he was acting like John Stewart you know I don't think John Stewart could like pull that off

it didn't work at all no that was very it was very jarring to see John Stewart in this well yeah I was just kind of confused

why he was there like in why what was he doing that it was embarrassing it was terrible I'm like yeah I guess

presumably if you want to call it that yeah yeah it's crazy that it went on for like almost two hours and I just there's I don't remember much at all because it was just torture right it was just unfunny

the movie yeah it just kind of lost me with the story like there's these other gangsters that are introduced and they want to kill Smoochie I just kind of lost the plot I just didn't know what was happening yeah because there's not just one like crime family there's like all different sects of like crime that they like explore through this this universe they've built for Smoochie right because there's like there's the Irish people this the the main mob guy who

you know the crazy voice yeah yeah it's fucking in pain and then Danny DeVito's in the movie too and he's like the one who actually killed or tries to kill Smucci because he wants money like I wasn't even clear on that that the the one guy who winds up putting on the moochie suit the first scene he's in and he's like talking weird i was like surely we're not going to see him in a second scene and then he just shows out throughout the movie and i found myself asking why is this character in the movie why do they keep bringing back this character and then he puts on the moochie suit and they're like oh we tried to kill smoochie but we accidentally killed moochie i'm like that's the only reason you put this character in the

movie and he took up a lot of screen time and it was annoying throughout it was like never funny yeah for sure that was a that was a that was a that was a a waste. They were always, all the humor was like punching down too. It was always just like way early on. Like, yeah, I'm going to get you off that smack. That's what was in the, in the drug addict place. And I'm trying to play that for you. And it's not that you can't make humor out of the, the subject matter. It's like, man, not with this story. Not with this. Yeah. Don't they make a gay joke? Like, oh, everyone's going to think you're gay or something like that. Yeah, Robin Williams, like, references that when I would know what Norton was in the car to him, you make a gay joke.

Yeah, that's right. You should have seen the way he looked at me or something. Yeah. He's gay. You don't want to be with him. Yeah, exactly. It's tasteless. It's just stupid.

Look at this idiot trying to be healthy. Isn't trying to be healthy. It's so crazy. You drink crazy. Yeah. You're so crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

They do this whole thing of this other place. lot line that they had to shove in there, a smoochie on ice. They force him to make a show where he goes on ice and entertains the kids. And yeah, he wants to make it healthy. It wants to serve smoothies and apple slices. And it's like, where is this going? It leads to a 20-minute sequence at the end of the movie where he's on ice and there's no jokes. It's just unironically watching Edward Norton do an ice show. It's fucking bizarre. Until someone tries to snipe him, right? Just kind of recapping the personal life events of not Smoochie, but like the actor playing Smoochie. Like, come see this show Smoochie on Ice where we just summarize things that happened to me, the actor playing Smoochie.

Yeah. Well, I'm glad you mentioned. There's a point. He kind of has like this psychotic break. It's like after the Nazi scene where he's like singing around the campfire or the kids and he's like, the world will hurt you or something shit like that. And then yeah, from that point on, he kind of comes like completely diluted. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, and the wolf howling, yeah. He becomes like completely self-obsessed and like kind of crazy. I was like, what the fuck? Where's going? Yeah, you're constantly asking how am I, what do you want me to feel from this? Like, am I supposed to be laughing? I'm like, oh, is he going to become like the villain of this story now? And then Robin Williams will become like the hero.

But that's not what happened. It just, it kind of gets forgotten about. Nothing matters. It goes nowhere. Nothing goes. like with most things. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's like static. So just like, nothing. Nothing has any effect on anything. Yeah.

Is there no reason to watch the movie? I kind of, I'm realizing now, I've, I've, it's always visually off-putting with the guy's face sticking out of the suit where it's like, okay, well, no kids. gonna watch this no kid wants to see this weird looking dude's mouth coming out of the fur suit right they want to see just the they want to pretend it's a dot what I guess is a rhino in this exactly it's like Barney it's like yeah Barney has a face you now I'm realizing that it was probably the same executive decision as like the Halo show where it's like no you have to see the actor you see you know who it is

right you can't just have the actor behind the mask you know you can't just have Edward Norton voice act. You have to see that it's Edward Norton for the trailers or something. Like, yeah. It looks like shit. It looks awful. Like, nobody would watch that. And then when they were filming the, uh, the

scenes of them on set, it was so bizarre because like, there was this disconnect. Like, they couldn't quite make it feel like, like it was genuinely a TV show. It always felt like a movie. And so I was noticing certain things about it like, okay, like some of the camera work and like, just the, the weird, production on set where it's like you have like 30 40 kids I'm like any television show where

you're working with kids you're going to have like six like that would be a disaster if to have like 40 kids on set every single fucking day like he's just singing songs like why do they have so many kids there like that's unreasonable there's there's no show that would do that uh-huh kids television show with like 40 fucking kids run around the entire time like you wouldn't be able to get a word in uh-huh yeah it wasn't convincing in any way if felt misguided in every way. I've just seen the budget for this. What's the budget?

50 million. In 2002. What? Was that fucking, is that a fucking joke? What? How? They spent 50 million on the suit? Genuinely how.

Holy shit. I've just adjusted it from inflation. That's 82 million today. Wow. That's like nearly what the new Puss and Boots cost to make. Yeah. That's not adding up for it. Yeah

What? Yeah, it was a flop People did not see it Yeah, 8 million gross Yeah It was just like so I remember hearing ads on the radio And stuff

Like oh death de Smoochy And the way that they advertise it Like you know Including the title It seemed like Just I don't know Someone really hates Barney And they're

It's like an assassination attempt premise I remember hearing ads for it on the radio too But the movie was really just nothing And like, that was barely any, that was barely part of the movie was the assassination attempt. Yeah. It wasn't really what the movie would. Like, it's, it felt like false advertising.

And the title is striking, you know. It's a good title for a movie if you want to get people interested in it. But fuck, it just, it doesn't serve a purpose. So, yeah, probably with the premise, you could write an okay movie, you know, something fun, silly. If you kept some kind of consistent term. known had a story that maybe escalated and the consequences for the things that happened. Could have been okay. Especially you have Robin Williams, Edward Norton and Catherine Keena.

And Danny DeVita, it's like a really strange mix of people to create something this uniquely bland and bad and terrible. I wonder what it was about this project that made Danny DeVito want to step up after Matilda. Yeah, I just made this really successful, fun kids movie. Let's do like the inverse now. I guess I can see it from that angle but yeah the same this isn't it it was years after

Mattelda was 96 Steph to Switches 2nd2 very bizarre yeah yeah I don't know what it was about this because what is written by Adam Resnick who man yeah I'm just looking at as IMDB

it's like it's a really random group of people I guess he wrote SNL he did it for 20 episodes and late night with David Letterman but then I don't know how that really translates to this kids show parody

edgy thing weird ass film yeah I'm debating whether or not this was more torture than that Adam Sandler went

going overboard I don't think it's as bad as that which is longer I don't know if I would say it's like as bad maybe but like in terms of me wanting to escape and feeling abused by a film.

It's pretty up there. Yeah. And I think when I was watching Going Overboard, a bad, I'm not shocked really by about Adam Sandler movie, you know. It's kind of part of the course for a lot of, a lot of his projects. But when you're seeing the face of Edward Norton, you're seeing the face of Robin Williams and Catherine Keeneer, like, is, there's something very deeply wrong and unsettling about this movie.

Yeah. It was really bothersome. It was like making me antsy. Going overboard was like more fascinating in a way. It was, again, pure torture. That's true. But it was kind of more interesting in terms of like, who made this? You know, and like, why?

I completely agree with you. But this movie was more boring. That was a more, it's a more interesting bad movie than this was. This was boring. Right. This was boring. I kept getting up and wanting to like I'm like this isn't even bad enough to like shit on

it's just boring bland yeah and there's just nothing to care about like this is all leading up to an ice show involving like a sexual fetish and a lesbian hit squad leader it's like who fucking like I can't care

about anything going on in the movie just a forgettable movie from the early 2000s that didn't make money yeah like okay Wow. Yeah, what were the goals? Some people like it, apparently.

Some people like this movie. I don't know if they're like, I don't know if they're trolling. Is this, I don't know if this is like the moret of movies where people pretend to like it just to trick other people into watching it. Yeah. Like, they like the actors. They're like, well, Robin Williams, Edward Norton is so underrated. You know, they just mentioned the cast and like the people involved. But yeah, when you actually, because, you know, Letterbox says like a 3.1 or 3.2.

like there's some like favorable I think oh my god I'm db it's got like a six point something it's not that bad and then I watch it I'm like this is like lame as fuck like what do people see in this it's just I think it's because not many people have seen it I feel like if more people saw it it would have lower

ratings almost like how the new bird demic has like higher ratings than the first two only because less people saw it it's like yeah that's just how I feel it's because I don't think it's that good you know there's movies that we've talked about on this show that I

feel like I've been harsh on that like are better than this you know I can't even give this like a pass it doesn't offer anything substantive at all and even even in its ironic humor where it's like ha ha it's you know maybe it's part of the point that it doesn't offer anything substantive it's still not interesting it's still not funny it's not entertaining in any way so when I the reason why I recommended this movie is because we

mentioned it briefly when we were answering a question on one of the other episodes. People were asking about like earliest examples of like noticing bad filmmaking or something. And I mentioned this movie because, you know, I started watching it when I was, I guess I must have been like 12 based on when it came out. And, you know, you get to the opening, like within the first five, ten minutes of the movie, you get to John Stewart making like a pitch or something. And there's this weird like high angle that's really close to his face that almost looks like it's kind of like, you know, some Terry Gilliam film. And it's just out of nowhere. And the lighting doesn't work with it. And it's, and I'm just like, that was what stuck out to me when I was watching this as a kid. And I immediately shut it off.

I was like, why? Like this, it just felt so bad because it's such a weird choice that doesn't look good and it's unmotivated. That's what pisses me off. And I'm, it's crazy that it's, this just been so consistent over, you know, 20 years later that I just feel like, you know, I like when you make decisions, but they have to be motivated by something, right? Like, it doesn't work when you're just like, ha ha, let's do a Dutch angle here and a Dutch angle there. And it's like, well, what does it mean in terms of the context of the scene or the characters? Like, oh, my God, there was so many Dutch uncles. There's plenty of good reasons to have interesting choices.

But you can't just throw them in randomly and be like, oh, look, I'm making a movie. Like, what are you doing? Like, it has to be motivated by something taking place in the scene or there has to, I want, I want a reason for it. Otherwise, it just seems like you're just randomly doing shit for no reason. And, yeah, I don't know. It pisses me off. There was a lot of that in this movie, a lot of weird, unmotivated lighting and camera choices. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned those Dutch angles that they wouldn't stop.

Just loads of weird technique like that, just showing them. Irrelevant. Which angles, like, those are montages as well. Like, moving the story along with, like, headlines on newspapers, like, you know, like that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, really purposeless kind of film. Yeah. No goals.

Overall, yeah. Mm-hmm. Throughout, no purpose to be found. Very soul draining. The, the Roger Ebert review of it is scathing. He gave it a half star, which is very rare for him. Based. Yeah.

and yeah that's a little more accurate to how I feel about it. It is like he describes it as, wait, let me go to the bottom here, odd, inexplicable and unpleasant. It's basically how I would describe it too. Yeah, it is not a pleasant watch. I agree with him. It feels, yeah, it feels like a movie that has the ability to abuse its viewers. I feel abused by the film.

It feels like an awful miscalculation. That's how it feels. Yeah. Trying to be funny and just not. Yeah. I'm glad I'm not alone on it. Because I was kind of worried. Every fucking angle.

The humor sucks. Like, the parody angle sucks. The crime angle sucks. The music sucks. The visuals. Every single I think you could list is just like unbearable to try to get through and sit through. yeah yeah

nothing yeah yeah yeah yeah at all about the movie genuinely

like even if you had to like really really try and think of something to like point at something and say

that was okay and death to smoochie tell give me some I'm really like the Nazi part you know I have a

I have a fear of Barney it's like okay this movie it has the premise like do something with it like scare me

like shock me did nothing with it nothing but I was so bored the whole movie I know the whole Barney thing just didn't even phase me during it I'm like okay it's just Edward Norton it doesn't even matter yeah in that runtime they genuinely do

nothing they do nothing right you could have had a parody angle there like let's make fun of like kids shows and how shallow they are or something do some angle with it But yeah, it's almost just like so fucking random Instead they try to make it more about how Edward Norton

Because he like starts off as I was saying earlier It's like the naive Like he's he's got his morals and he cares about certain things But then he kind of shifts in someone who's gonna commit a murder Or like threaten people with guns and whatnot Oh yeah Yeah, that's his arc type thing

Uh huh Yeah you're right That's his arc he's like gonna become bad But then at the end he doesn't He like for no reason He just decides not to Nothing lame.

Nothing. Yeah, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. We could just say it all led to nothing. Nothing. Yeah, serves nothing, accomplishes nothing. It's just a strange combo.

There was one part of, I'm looking at some of my notes here. There's just a, I forget everything about the movie until I, it's a good thing I take notes. Yeah. A movie like this, it's not sticking with me. I'm literally, like, I would have almost nothing to say about it. Yeah, in one ear out the other, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so there was that part where they were like, they played the, I forget the original classical song name, but the 2001 of Space Odyssey song.

And the way that it was like chopped up in the scene in terms of like, it was going, it was playing way too fast. And it wasn't sped up. They like, did they literally just cut out pieces of the song so that it matched what they were filming? I'm like, holy shit. Because realistically, if you were filming that scene and this like sort of, you know, epic, grandiose bombat. sort of, you know, parody, grain assault sort of thing, you would think that they would know that that's the song that they were going to play before they started shooting the scene,

and they could shoot the scene around the pacing of the song. But it seems like they just shot whatever the fuck they want, and then the editor was forced to try and wedge in the song where it didn't fit, so they had to cut out parts of the song, and just like, the pacing was just so off, and it was so infuriating and irritating. It was so weird. The music, the music was just so, like, weird.

The song choices were bad for this movie. Like, they just start playing, I Feel Pretty from West Side Story, like an instrumental. For no reason. Yeah. It just makes you think of other better movies, you know? Like, you gotta think about how to use music better. Yeah. It's just, yeah.

Just things that they put in the movie that according to them are supposed to inherently be funny, but they forgot to make it funny, you know? They thought that, oh yeah, just by putting this song in there, that's automatically funny. Just by having, you know, we're making a kid's show, but we say the word fuck. Like, that's inherently supposed to be funny. No, do something interesting with it. What was that movie that came out like a few years ago where it was like, oh, it's like Muppets, but they swear, like that's supposed to inherently be funny.

But it looked like shit, you know. Oh, that's like it looks so boring. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Oh, that was fucking awful. You have to do something interesting with it. There's, you can't just. the whole

That's not enough to carry a movie Like oh he made a penis cookie And he said it's a rocket ship I called that line like 20 seconds before it happened I literally just said it out loud I'm like it's a rocket ship And then he just he held on that And he did a face and it was waiting for like so long

Like literally 20 seconds go by He's like uh It's a rocket ship I'm like yeah there it is The joke I said 20 fucking seconds ago It's so predictable You can't even have jokes in this movie So predictable

It doesn't do anything interesting It doesn't do it like it's not clever It's just it's actual torture If I can tell exactly what they're gonna say before they say it like 20 seconds Why am I even watching the fucking movie Why am I even watching? You're not showing me anything That part that part was dragged out so long

The whole penis cookie thing It was like 30 seconds of him looking at the cookie It's like yeah I get it The world couldn't predict exactly what he was going to say Oh how's you gonna get out of this one How's you going to explain it away Also like what are they fucking live broadcasting You can't do another take?

How was that even a conflict? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't really understand. It wasn't even live. Just do it again. Yeah, it was never clear if it was, yeah, it was never clear if it was live or not. Right, I was thinking that too. One good thing about this movie, it's free on YouTube.

Didn't have to pay to watch it, so that was good. What is it with the fucking? Oh, you did? Oh, shit. Maybe it's different. Maybe it's different for your country. Yeah, probably not. Actually.

Yeah, maybe you reach. You buy the collectors, Blu-ray? Yeah. The 4K edition, yeah. But, you know, it was the same thing with that Adam Sandler movie that we mentioned. The going overboard, going overboard, I watched on YouTube free too. So, like, what is it with these fucking bad movies that I watch on YouTube for free? No one wants to watch them.

There's nothing in mind from it. Yeah. No one cares. Just the actual dump. We need some better movies on YouTube for free with ads. I mean, come on. There's probably some good stuff. And maybe we could make something free with ads.

That's actually good. Apparently, people fucking love this one, right? Apparently. Like all the comments on this YouTube upload, like amazing cast, criminally underrated, Robin Williams, you know. It's like, come on. Criminally underrated. It's not dead poet society.

I mean, come on. There was a part where I think it was Robin Williams character and the little person's house. And they just make pasta. And it was like the worst looking pasta I've ever seen on film. I don't know if you have any input, Ralph, but that was. Disgusting. Yeah Yeah, it looked like blood

They were pouring on it I think my brain kind of blocked it out Because I don't remember it too much But yeah My brain repressed it Yeah I was like that's disgust That is the worst looking pasta I've ever seen

It's always bad When you see like Really bad looking food in a movie And the characters don't acknowledge it As if it's just like They put no thought or effort into it It's like oh I guess the actors Actually just made the food on set

And they didn't have somebody for that Yeah that's exactly I guess they just boiled noodles and put some fucking ketchup on it. Like, I don't know what the hell I made you some toast. Yeah. Yeah.

If you're looking for a Robin Williams movie, there are many other choices. I'd say even just watch Chumanji. That's a better movie than this. It's not even a great movie. It's a better movie than this. We got to shout out the, just with the balancing the tone thing.

When Robin Williams, like, in the street, like, pours gasoline over himself. He's about to set himself on fire. People are just kind of like watching, not really caring that much. They're just kind of like watching. No one's like saying anything. And then they have the goal to bring out the little girl and have a blow out the match.

They have a little girl run at him with gasoline. The crowd would go, no, get away from him. They would pull her away. I cringed so hard. I cringed so fucking hard at that moment. Why would they let the little girl go up to this guy covered gasoline in a match? It's so cute. Why would they let her do that?

That's all I was thinking. Yeah. If I was there, I would pull up, be like, get the fuck away from it. She blows that out and acts as if it's like sentimental, like kind of fucking like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's what's weird. They're like, like, talking about, like, Nazis and. Yeah, it's so tonally off, right? Yeah. Yeah.

It's just, it's so disturbing. It's like such a disturbing. Because at a certain point in the movie, when you're. movie is that bad. I'm like, yeah, actually just have your characters all kill themselves. We can end the movie sooner, you know? Do something interesting. And then it's preferable. And then the, you know, how fucking cheap is it not to just have, you know, some random character save the day, but it's like, oh, it's a cute little girl. Oh, like, fuck off. I'm so sick of that shit. Just show me something interesting. It's infuriating. It's legitimately infuriating. That was very corny.

That part, I almost had a stroke. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that scene, Alex. Yeah, awful fucking scene. Maybe the worst scene, yeah. There's so much bad in here that is, you can't even like keep track of it all. Yeah. That's why we have notes. That's why it's on YouTube.

You can just scroll through it. They had comic sands in the credits. That was cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. It didn't feel like when it ended that I'd actually watched a movie. No.

feel like what I just watched was real. But that's a 50 million dollar investment like you just watched. Yeah, yeah. That's hilarious. It's a lifetime supply of hummus. Yeah. Well, yeah, that scene you just mentioned where he like almost lights himself on fire. And that's, they filmed that in Times Square. Yeah, that probably cost money to film. Yeah, there were a lot of Times Square scenes, actually. It's probably where a lot of the budget went. Exactly. Like, you could have just filmed it on a street and saved like a couple million dollars. No, because it's a movie. It has to be in Times Square. You could have even filmed it in New York City, but you could have filmed it in New York City

just on the street. It didn't have to be Times Square. But yeah, they had to indulge. Yes, for Death of Smoochie, for this story, it's so important. We need to film it at Times Square. Yeah, we need $50 million to tell it. Exactly, exactly. It's one of those things where it's like...

$20 million more than District 9. You put something like that in your movie and it's sort of... You're like, oh, well, this must be a movie of the year because it's in Times Square. It's like the stamp of legitimacy Like having the Dwayne The Rock Johnson in it at this point You know Like oh this is a movie of the year

Dwayne's in it Gotta go see DC Super Pets Yeah Yeah well Get me out of here Is what I would say To this movie I didn't do anything

Just let me out Yeah I would say death dismucci I would say that. Death to death to Smoochie. Yeah. One out of ten.

Gigantic. Yeah, half star. It is a crime film in the sense that the film itself is a crime. The film is a crime. Yeah, I'm looking through the credits now. Yeah, the comic stance. I got to give it a half star.

There's no excuse for us. There's no reason that it had to wind up like this bad. That's silent. It's just such a story. strange product. It's either a star or a half star. I don't know. I don't want to jump right on.

Maybe it's just one star for now. So it's one of those. Yeah. No fucking half star. Doesn't. This is what we broke me. I don't even know. Who even am I anymore?

Yeah. It changes your subconscious or something. It's done something. It has done something to me. I feel kind of different. It's like a before and after point with this shit. I feel like we need a lower rating for like this and the Adam Sandler one. We need like a negative.

classified as torture. I think that's a new genre. This is in the same genre as torture as going overboard. They're both torture. It goes half, yeah. One star, half star, and then you're torture. Then it's just torture. All right.

That's a smoochie. Well, that was the worst movie I've ever recommended on the podcast. Death to my brain cells. Thanks to all y'all on the fucking subreddit and shit being, oh, you recommend this to smoochie yet. Asholes. Thanks, Adam. You're welcome.

This is what you get. what you say, man. I love bad discussions. I prefer more movies like this than, you know, good movies. Yeah. I love recommending a bad movie. All right. The discussions are always funny.

Yeah. I guess it's question time. Yeah, let's head over to the suggestion thread on this are Donica subreddit and answer questions from the community just like successful repeat 266 did. in the wake of the Velma backlash and general backlash against meta-humour, Weidenspeak, etc. Do you think we're going to see a new trend of sincere, ironic humour within the next five or so years, or maybe another brand of popular humour entirely? I've not seen it described as Weed and Speak.

That kind of Marvel, quippy, self-referential, dissolving tension with acknowledging what's happening. it's behind me, isn't it? Type thing. This has been building for a while, man. The whole meta-humor, like, there was a time where it's kind of avant-garde.

This is new. This is Rick and Morty-Fresh. But it's like the most... Velma's like, yeah, just the latest example of it. The most tired, just lazy approach of humor. That's really laid out.

Like I was saying with Death to Smoochie, there's certain things where people will throw something into a product as if it's, it inherently, makes it good or interesting or funny. And this meta self-referential thing is just the new one of those where it's like, okay, yeah, you referenced yourself. So what?

You're not saying anything. You're not saying anything. Say something. It's interesting when you say something. And so when it comes to, I guess, the question is, will we see a trend of sincerity? I think that those things kind of cancel each other out almost. It's kind of oxymoronic, because if you're, if you're, if you're, going after something to follow a trend, you're typically doing it for money, right?

Like, you're typically... Typically, the most sincere people don't follow trends. They do their own thing. So, yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's really taken off after Deadpool, that whole self-referential thing. And yet, Deadpool did it well because, you know, that was the nature of the character. He was a self-referential character, and they had passion for that story, Ryan Reynolds,

wanted to make a Deadpool movie and it worked. And it was like lightning in a bottle. And then, yeah, like Adam says, they just jump on trends. And I don't know what happened. It's just that one specifically, just every, like, comedy really shifted that way toward like this meta-humor. And yeah, it's so played out. Like, there's not really much you can do with it ultimately.

And that's why it's kind of fizzled out because it's like, there's not much depth to that kind of meta-humor when every movie does it. It's like, yeah, we've seen it before. It's been done. I haven't seen anyone do it. and have a new spin on it recently. Yeah, I feel like everything, every world at once is like a good turn

toward like that more genuine humor. It's making references, but it's clever. Like, I don't mind like reference humor. It's even got some shock humor in there. Yeah, and reference humor. Yeah, it's more variety. Right. It's all not, it's not just like one joke, right?

Yeah. But it's in service of something. It's like the difference. Like the whole like the ratatouille reference in that movie. Like there's like a payoff to that and a whole gag like designed all around it, you know? Whereas, like, I guess the difference is like when Deadpool or whatever says, this part of the script sucks, right?

Let's move on, you know? It's like, well, yeah, it's still, so it's kind of like sucks, you know? Yeah. It still sucks, yeah. So either embrace it and just do it or fix it. I prefer that. If you're the first to do it, you can get away with it. But it's like once we've been seeing it for, you know, 10 years, like, you've got to whip out some new tricks, I'm afraid.

I almost respect a movie more. that's just willing to be bad. You know, it's just like, yeah, we're going to do this decision. We're not going to make fun of it. This is the movie. This is where we're going. You know, Spider-Man doesn't have to make a reference to himself like, oh, isn't this silly? Or isn't this over the top?

I'm fighting a guy with octopus arms. It is what it is. If you like it. Did I leave the microwave on? Yeah. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, then what's something else? I mean, there's not much, you know, we don't have to fucking make jokes about everything.

I don't know. It's probably like speaking of like Top Gun Maverick and whatnot. Like maybe it's why audiences like flocked in such a way where, you know, like the Marvel kind of, that style, you know, it's just been so fucking milked and done to death. Yeah, Spider-Man making fun of how silly everything is. And yeah, just something taking itself seriously and having stakes in a certain way. Yeah, the Whedon thing. Like it's funny because, man, late kind of 90s, like Josh Whedon is. like Josh Whedon and his dialogue and style of writing was like, as far as nerd culture was concerned,

it was kind of like the cream of the crop. Like, that's what everyone wanted and loved. And I guess it's, it bled into Marvel. And now it's just everything. Yeah. Yeah, it seeped into everything. Like, have you seen that game, Forspoken came out recently? Yeah.

I'm fighting a freaking dragon. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So let me get this straight. It's dialogue like that. It's like, yeah. It's like a teenager wrote it, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, very, very tired. Yeah. Connor for real has one for us. Curious, if any of you have checked out the letterbox top 250 lately and noticed the Brazilian film, and I apologize in advance for this. Oh, auto de compa de cedar, translated to a dog's will, has climbed all the way up to number three on the list, more recently passing the godfather in Harakiri. While I found some of it funny, I could tell some of the specific cultural references went over my head, and it's a pretty shabby-looking film, technical-wise.

The rise through the ranks seems to have been done, or been driven almost entirely through Brazilian letterbox users, and I'm curious if one, any of you have seen the film in two. You've seen other films skyrocket and popularity like this, thanks to a specific country outside of traditional Western film markets. Yeah. Well, that happens with India all the time. Yeah, every Indian movies. They have such inflated radio. Yeah.

And, you know, that's not a job. genre I'm a huge fan of or at least the ones I've seen. I won't say all of them. But yeah, they have like these ridiculously high ratings that are crazy. RR as such high ratings and all these. People even know give it like five stars. I'm like, I wonder what they've seen it, that I don't. But, yeah, I haven't seen it dogs well.

A friend of mine gave it a five out of ten. No, it's on my watch list. 2000, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been on my watch list. I don't know when I put it on there.

It's number three now. that is very interesting yeah it's something we have to just keep bringing up more and more I guess the the longer these you know these aggregate kind of data collection websites like iNDBs or letterboxes people can just gain the algorithms can abuse the rating systems and at a certain point unless it's like

regulated in some way or looked over and managed it's yeah you're going to have just a bunch of weird stuff like crop up in these kinds of lists all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It needs to be kind of moderated. Yeah.

I'm in favor for moderating it a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent GER, 2890 asks. What are your thoughts on musicians entering the field of film? Can their presence be a detractor from a film's narrative and a character's journey due to their presence? Obviously, it depends on the actor, but.

Yeah. By musicians, do you mean just, like, celebrities though because yeah i i immediately think of like i think of like specifically like harry styles in dunkirk you know or in random thing uh the new one don't worry darling oh don't worry darling yeah he was bad in that i mean it's only really a detractor if you know them from their music i guess like i don't listen to harry styles it's a detractor if they're bad in the movie i wouldn't know that it's a person if you didn't tell me you know yeah yeah lady gaga And as Starsborn, I thought she was good.

Performance. Yeah, I guess Jared Lesser is a, you know, is in 30 seconds tomorrow's. Yeah, it doesn't matter to me. Because you could be just as distracting being a famous actor from another movie. You know? Yeah, the rock. Music isn't really a part of it. Yeah.

It doesn't really matter. Yeah, I feel that way about like any recognizable face, even a politician in a movie or any kind of celebrity or well-known person. Yeah, you have like, like, you have, like, any, like a, what is it, like a knowledge of them already, a history with them. So you're like, oh, it's that guy. But if they're good enough actor, eventually you forget about it. Death to Smoochie, right? Death to Smoochie, yes.

Except I don't think he's like the greatest actor. So it's like, oh, I'm watching John Stewart with a weird haircut. I still love John Stewart. But, yeah. I love him. I'm in love with him. Okay. Is that it for that question?

Yeah, that's the main one for that one. Yeah. Let's do this one from, who, Cuba de Suki. Since general consensus on, I'm sorry, the Hobbit trilogy is that it should have been one movie.

Are there any series or movies or even TV series that you wished was cut down to a less number of movies or episodes? Love the podcast, as always. I would be happy with the, matrix just being the matrix nothing else no sequels just leave it coli just one and done i'd love yeah but not like cut down the story of the other two make it one movie just like cut out the other two movies yeah yeah they don't exist never existed yeah yeah that's my ultimate timeline for that yeah

sure i i'd agree yeah i mean i i find myself saying this often i guess what was what was Nicholas Winding Reffin's show, not as most recent when it was like too old to die young or something. There's some gross stuff in a couple of episodes, but then I can't watch it again because most of it is just so slow and boring. You cut down that a bit. You have an amazing show. Yeah, that fourth episode, Miles Teller like hunts down the, the like predator ring. That was amazing. That's such a great episode. But yeah, it takes like three episodes to get there. And yeah, there's like three episodes after it. Yeah, it's too slow. I'd agree with that. There's some good stuff in there.

I was just re-watching it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. A lot of things are too long. I feel that about a lot of... I say that about a lot of things. It's too long. I feel like so many things would be better, shorter.

Yeah. Babylon. Embracing restraint. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Babylon. Some movies need it. Everything all at once needed the two hours.

It's a very long story. there. Not every movie needs it though. I feel like you really need to justify going over two hours or going around there. Like a horror movie shouldn't really be over two hours unless it's like something really artful like possession or something. Like some shit like Megan that you see in the theater like that should not be over two hours. That like Eternals. Oh, man, I'd be fine when movies like Megan being 60 minutes to be one of these. Yeah, yeah. That's basically all they've got. Like that eternal. So man, it was way too fucking long. That should have been. under two hours.

Way too fucking. I think it was like two and a half. See, Eternal's is one I reckon they should have done as a show. Like, sometimes it's just, the medium doesn't even make sense. Uh-huh. That would have actually worked longer because it would have, maybe they could have developed the characters more. I don't know. Yeah. The characters sucked from the movie.

I mean. 12 main characters or something. Yeah. Maybe it could have been better in a show format. It's interesting. Those Marvel shows, like the She-Hulk one, that which by the way, like they do the self-referential. humor too and people are sick of that.

There's a whole backlash. Whatever. Like all their Marvel shows that Disney Plus released didn't perform as well as a show like the boys did on Amazon Prime. Like if you look at the list of like highest streamed shows, the boys beats all of those Disney Plus shows, which is all those Marvel Disney Plus shows. Yeah, this whole list came out. Yeah.

Which is shows. Yeah. Like people aren't really that interested in those anymore. they're not very good. They don't like the humor. They don't like the, yeah, the weed and banter and so on, which is, all those shows are. It's like that times 10. It's like even worse.

Yeah. Okay, I guess that's all I got to say about that. Yes, one of the things I like about, I don't know, there seems to be a, with, like, streaming services and whatnot, there seems to be a less of a kind of restriction on a less rigid, restriction on some of these run times. So like just with like the last of us lately, like some episodes are just like feature length, some 50 minutes, just whatever that story needs to be like for that episode or that. Yeah.

That's what I'm in favor of. Uh-huh. Yeah, it seems like things are stretched out to just make more content now. Yeah, yeah. And it seems like quite obvious when it happens to. Mm-hmm. What is it? The mess that is Star Wars right now, that Obi-1 show, that was like supposed to be.

a movie and had there was like a script written for a movie. Oh. But they, they, they, they turned it into a show. So it's just full of like just garbage fluff nonsense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I couldn't even get through one episode of that. I think I fell asleep. I got to the part where one of the safeties show up as a Jedi. Oh, yeah. One of the saffty brothers are in it. I'm like, oh, cool. But that's it. That's like all I saw and that I fell asleep.

Yeah. I just did not expect to see a safety in the Star Wars universe. On Disney Plus, yeah. Yeah. I'm expecting, like, Robert Patton's going to show up, like, break him out of jail or something. Them to rob a bank. All right. Okay.

Let's do this one from James Mazarezi. I don't know why, but this question specifically has been asked for, like, a long time. It's just a, it's just a comparison. Since I find these two directors similar, who's a weaker director between Zach Snyder and Michael Bay? I don't know what it is about these two, but... Hmm. Personally, I lean towards Snyder myself. I guess so, yeah.

It's just kind of an underlying meanness, I find, to Michael Bay that, you know, when Zach Snyder's floundering, it's, it's, it's a different kind of, uh, weakness to me. It's more in like characters and like writing, but yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah, they're both comparable, I guess. Yeah. In terms of what they do. They both take themselves relatively seriously, but... Yeah, chemistry.

A lot of spectacle. Yeah. I don't know which one I prefer. Action heavy, visually focused. Not like very plot. Oh, no, they are. lot heavy, they're just not good plots. Yeah, I don't know.

That's a tough one. I'd say they're about the same to me. So weird. Comparable, sure. I'll have to watch some older classic Michael Bay stuff. I saw The Rock like a long time ago, so I don't really have like a proper perspective on it. That's the one, right? I feel like I've seen enough from both of them to have like a good gauge.

And I don't know. I think they're both about, they both have their strengths and their weaknesses. I'll say that. Yeah. Okay. Do you say we end on this one? Sure. I'm never lost 20.

Has there ever been a time where product placement actually got you to consciously buy something? And if so, what was it from, be it a show or movie or whatever? I mean, yeah, all the time. Probably, yeah. I would say, well, product placement, I don't know. I know sometimes I'll get like an ad for something. I'll be like, oh, I want that right now. I don't know, food

sometimes. It doesn't happen often, but I know it's happened for sure. Just like food that I already eat or whatever. I'm like, oh yeah, I'll add that to my grocery list. I guess the point. I wonder if it's a more subconscious thing. Like I don't think I

literally see a thing on a movie and go get it, but it keeps it in your brain like maybe two days down the lawn you get some Wendy's or something because you saw it in a movie. I don't know. We're like, you get like a Diet Coke. I don't know some shit like that

it could happen like a movie man that would be my one yeah the whole movie is product placement technically well yeah there's whole movies

like would you count it I would say like every Disney movie is like product placement for some other subsidiary of Disney you go oh you can buy the video game now

or you can go to the park and ride the ride so if you call that a product then yeah a lot of Disney movies like Winnie the Pooh I saw Winnie the Pooh as a kid

and then I bought Winnie the Pooh merch and went on the ride at Disney. They made a lot of money off of me just from that one movie. So, yeah. You funded their next movie. Yeah, I funded the new Splash Mountain. That's going to be refurbished into Princess and the Frog. I funded that.

Oh, that's going to be Princess and the Frog? Yeah, I think so. Okay, interesting. You know, they're getting rid of it now because the old movie. I figured they were going to get rid of Splash Mountain eventually because... Yeah. It's got the song from Song of the South in it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's really that connection to the movie that they have to get rid of it. Because it's like a fine ride. It's just, yeah, that connection to the movie. Yeah, I mean, it's been there since the park opened. It'll probably be the same ride. It's just, you know, it's going to be Princess and the Frog. Yeah, exactly.

The branding. They got to make you forget about that old movie because, yeah, it's not seen favorably. No. From everybody. No. Pretty bad. Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm not like, so most of the product placement that happens in movies is like

shit beer or like junk food. It'll be like a soda or like candy. And I don't really consume most of those things anyway. Sometimes I have candy, but I don't, I don't know. It's not always the stuff that's on screen. The Popeye's product placement in Supergirl. That was pretty egregious. I still remember that one.

It's just like all those like, yeah, they're like young girls. They're like, yeah, let's go to Popeyes. Yeah, it's like the number one hangout spot for girls in high school. I'm sure it made no sense. It was so dumb. But it's just because they had to advertise Popeyes. It doesn't matter if it makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah, just make that up. Just embellish it a little bit. That was more silly than her having superpowers. I would like to. experiment and create a film where I accept product placements from major companies like Pepsi or something. And instead of throwing them into the movie by having my characters drink them, I just have a director's note at the beginning of the film and I say, yo, Pepsi paid me some money to put this in my movie.

This is technically a part of the runtime. Go buy yourself a Pepsi. I'm drinking Pepsi right now. Support this type of product placement so you don't get distracted during the movie. And now the movie's going to start. The technical, the actual, and I want to see, I want to see if that has, like, positive or negative effects on, you know, because that could be. They kind of did that in, like, sitcoms in the 90s, didn't they? Where they'd, like, stop the show for a second, then look at the camera and be like, yeah, my favorite serial is this.

I just don't want it to be in the middle of the narrative, though. Yeah, yeah. I don't want it to be a World War Z situation. Oh, yeah, that's a bad one. Yeah, that's a bad one. Yeah. Yeah, this is a lot. You just don't even notice.

Like, when I first saw that movie, I didn't even notice, like, the Pepsi, whatever, product placement. You know? Because it's just, I see so much of it probably. I'm just unfazed by it now. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's just a Coke can. You don't even think about it. Seeping into your subconscious, yeah. Yeah.

I booked my trip to Las Vegas after watching a pool, blah, blah, mall cop two. Yeah. That's my big one. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. just think about like every brand you see in a movie or every logo they have to like get that approved by the company was somehow so you know if you see it the company approved it like i always think about that like i was just watching the born movie and you know it's like it's just some shot where she's

like running in the street and there's like a bank behind her you see the logo of the bank like they probably had to you know contact them and be like yeah we have your logo yeah they probably cleared it even though you technically don't have to in every situation it's it's a Not every situation. If they just do it in. I'm sure for big movies. Yeah. It's just happen.

Yeah. For like a huge movie like that, I'm sure they call or whatever. But yeah, I'm sure then they have to like look at the movie and maybe they're like, oh, we don't like this part or. I don't know if I like Pabst Blue Ribbon being associated with white trash, they'll say. Yeah. Well, there's that whole thing isn't there with like car company specifically. They're like really antsy about.

Oh, yeah. How their, their cars are. or portrayed, especially if they're in like an action scene and there's a crash. This is the fastest car. Dinged up this amount. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, those James Bond movies are a ton of, there are ton of like product placement for the cars he drives.

He's always driving cool cars and, yeah. Yeah, special watches and, yeah, the whole business. If it gets destroyed, it's in a cool way that James Bond. Like it gets blown up by a helicopter where he crashes it into something cool. Yeah. It does like a hundred flips. Yeah. Yeah, it's never the car.

Cars fall, yeah. I've never bought a car from an ad. I'm wondering what, I'm wondering what person sees an ad for a car and is like, I'm no, I've never done that either. Yeah, I find that odd as well. Because like most of the ads before movies, like, oh, car adverts, at least over here. It's just car outfit after car advert. Yeah, who's buying brand new cars like that?

I guess people get more finance, I don't know. Like rich people, I guess. Yeah. I wish I could afford an Aston Martin Yeah, I don't know I'm leasing my vehicle I'm leasing my Aston Martin Mm-hmm

Leasing my baguette, yeah Yeah Can you even lease a like a Ferrari or one of them? I don't think you can You just have to buy it Probably Maybe That'd be fun

Hey I wouldn't know I wouldn't know out of my price range. Yeah. All right. Well, they don't even like, yeah, a lot of the cars that they advertise before the movie are also just like, like, I don't know. Just regular family SUVs or whatever. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's probably a car like most people would buy. They don't often say things about the car. They just try to appeal to like an identity. Uh-huh. Yeah. They're just like driving through Iceland or whatever. Yeah.

Don't you like going camping? You can go camping with this vehicle. They got a celebrity. Like one of them, they had that, uh... One of them they had like Kid Harrington in the car. He was saying something about the car and he was driving it down the road. I remember that. It was years ago.

Do it all the time. All right. Well, I guess that's that. Is it Alex's recommendation? Who is it? No, I did The Hobbit Oh, Ralph. Oh, so is it me?

Wow. It's you, Ralph. What have you got for us? Okay, so let me just pull up the list here. All right. So we just did torture. We did. We shouldn't do...

Should we do another torture or should we like... Whatever you want, Ralph. As long as it's a different type of torture, I don't mind. All right, let's not do torture. I'll recommend the movie from John Waters called Serial Mom. Nice. Okay, sweet. I haven't seen it yet. That's what we're going to watch. It's on my list.

Yeah. Very interesting. There you go. It's from 1994. Yeah. So let's check it out. Cereal Mom, 1994. All right. If you don't want to get spoiled for Serial Mom, check it out before the next episode. These episodes come out every two weeks. You can listen to them early as they're edited. Go into sardonicast.com. Sign up for premium. It's only $2 a month.

Same with patreon.com slash sardonicast. Also, we got merch. link in the description. Also, there's a Sardonicast Highlights channel you can subscribe to on YouTube. Link in the description as well. All right. The happy Oscars. Yeah.

Happy Smoochie. Happy death to Smoochie. Happy death to Smoochie. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. Happy Shirk.