Sardonicast - Sardonicast 133: RRR, M3GAN, Serial Mom

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

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three, two, one. That was a quote from serial mom. I'm Adam from your movie sex. Hello, this is Sardana cast, everybody. Um, Ralph. Did you hear it? Yeah, I'm not excretchi. I didn't hear of whatever that was.

No. God, damn it. Oh, okay, funny. Well, I'll post you the link in chat. Sometimes Discord like automatically removes. I played a thing off my phone so I'll just I'll let you react to it we'll pretend

well okay yeah this is an awkward intro but whatever it's happened many times before and that's part of the charm what's happening with my internet how can I can't I'm offline I'm talking to you right now how am I off line?

I can hear you yeah what the hell what the hell? What who? Yeah why is Chrome saying I'm off oh maybe just YouTube's down Did YouTube just die?

Anyway, I played the Howie scream. I played the... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck is wrong with YouTube right now? That's so annoying. It's up on my phone. This site can't be reached. Yeah, yeah, it's what the hell?

What the fuck? Weird. It's just... Oh, my God. My Twitter doesn't work either. What the hell? You guys can hear me. I clearly have in it.

Is it going to, like, suddenly droop? I don't know how... how that would make sense. This is making one a Howie screen right now. Yeah, I'm on the same computer that I'm talking to you on. It's saying I don't have internet.

Do you get some VPN? Oh, there we go. No, no, I don't. I just had, I guess it was just that one Chrome window. Okay. Now I close that window and now it's fine. Yeah, so the, what you're supposed to hear, just there, you can listen to it.

it there it is man I used to be able to just play things off my phone and you hear heard it I think there's yeah like there's on zoom and discord in every single um application it there's some things where it'll think it's background noise but it's not and I had it like a good volume too yeah well it's quite a like loud sound effect like I don't know why it would do that yeah anyway you can laugh now perfect Thank you. I'm Adam, and I think, did Ralph you, did we?

Yeah, I already said. We already enjoyed, but like, we can do it again if you make you happy. Who are you? I guess I'm Alex from H.E. Yeah, you guess. All right, fuck this shit. We're going to talk about our, rar, rar, rar. Er.

Er, rar, r. Fucking furries, man. That's how he's real revolt. Yeah, apparently. Yeah, yeah, as the title says. So, we have a particular history with this director in the sense that unlike, I don't know, 99.9% of people talking about RRR, we've actually seen another film from him. Yeah, Bahubali.

He's the Baha'u Bally guy. He's the Baha'u Bally guy. He's the Baha'Bah Bala. Random chance that we would have seen it because... Yeah. Yeah. I just recommended that on the... a total whim.

Yeah. It just looked like interesting and funny. Yeah, it had a great title. I think that's really the reason why. And the poster and everything and it had a really high rating or has a really high rating on IMDB and everything. Yeah. And so does RR.R. People love this movie.

But we weren't that hot on No, Bahubali. Yeah. No, not really. Yeah. And to be honest, I can't really remember that much about it. I remember like the crazy action and like the battle scene towards the end. But I also remember like being bored for. a lot of it. It was very boring.

Yeah. But yeah, fast forward to what, that was 2015, I think. Bahubali at the beginning. RRR drops in 2022 and I don't know about you guys, but this one won me over. That's why we're having this conversation. I need to know what was so different about this

compared to Bahubali. Because I watched RRR and I was like, this is just fucking Bahubali again and I was so pissed. See, I yeah, that's the thing. there was something about I thought I thought that action was better I thought just the everything about it was better it was like clearer

the the characters were better the motivations of everything was better just more consistent in what it was trying to do and more entertaining in what it was doing it seemed like it had a way more kind of consistent tone to me I yeah I would say there's probably less boring scenes

I think I gave this one of a star higher than Bahubali but it's still like I just it was just it was like i wasn't watching anything for the most part i was just so not impressed by anything that was happening it just i and and it's particularly frustrating because you know everybody's going crazy over this movie and i'm just like this is this is exactly everything that i've already seen that i go out of my way to avoid when i say i don't like bollywood movies even

though it's not a bollywood movie and it's talugu you know even even though it's from a different part of india it's still the same uh you know, the same goals and sensibilities of like, oh, wow, we're doing something like crazy and over the top. Like, I just, I'm so unimpressed by it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was the thing, though.

I went into it way more expecting to feel that way, especially, like, with what we kind of, I'd heard you guys say about it on the podcast and stuff and watching Bahubali and not really connecting with it. But yeah, it was that first action scene, I guess, spoilers for RRR. the big scale action scene with the guy in the like compound that's like surrounded and it's like it's got such a scale to it and like the action is so like fluid and clear and like wacky and crazy and it's like all these insane stunts going on it's like so creative and fun and the pace is just so insane and it doesn't let up that's not even like the best action scene in the movie because

that for me was what was really selling me on it was like just these these over the top crazy action scenes all kind of like earnestly presented and like the melodrama was like just that right level for me like I just wasn't feeling it with Bahubali it wasn't connecting in that way but the whole like the brothers and like these layers of like undercover operatives and it's like yeah this epic scale and yeah well you know like when the when the title card comes up after that like bridge action seems like it's like such a different experience 40 minutes through the movie.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's a long-ass movie. It's like three hours, seven minutes long. Yeah, it is kind of too long. It is inexcusably long. Yeah, that would be one thing I'd say against it is it's a bit too long. And the same way, say the other movies are too long or indulgent. Yeah, it could have been shorter. I mean, the opening credits were like, weren't it like five minutes long or something like that?

Yeah, the credits like lead the movie in. It was, everything was just too long. Yeah, it's like, that's a little too much. I mean, and to the void, the credits were 30 seconds. It's a very different movie, but you know what I mean? Like, it's like, it could be cut down a little bit. It did feel a little indulgent. Mm-hmm.

I don't know. Well, here's the thing. Like, a thing can be that long if I'm enjoying it the whole time. You know, you brought up Gaspar, no, A. It's hard to keep that up. It's hard to keep that up. It's 40 minutes into climax, but I just love what I'm watching. I connect with it more.

I get what it's going for more. Yeah. It's hard to keep it up for three hours. Whereas with this, I'm just like, I don't understand. If everybody loves, this movie so much, then why has nobody been talking about every other, like, big budget Indian movie that just does the exact same things for all this time? Like, have they done them like this? This is exactly what I've experienced already. Like, like, yeah, I'm, uh, I'm kind of in the middle of you two,

you know, because I see what Alex is saying. I really appreciate the stunts and the action. Like, that stuff is really well done. But I'm also on Adam's side where I'm like, I wasn't really connecting to the story. Like, you know, I don't, I don't really see how it is that different from Bali. It's really not that different. Or something like that. I just found it way more consistent. Way more consistent. It kept out doing itself too. Like I was waiting for that to like really feel the runtime, but it kept like pulling out certain tricks. And it was just like. And I didn't finish the movie. Like I didn't finish this movie either. And that's one reason why I say it's

too long. I haven't watched the whole thing. I just want to preface that. But you know, from what I saw, it's like, okay, it's like kind of the same. Yeah. I just, I want some like a little more subtlety or, you know, drama. Like, I could connect with the brother's storyline. It's very over the top. And I get it. The whole movie's over the top. Yeah.

I get it. Yeah. Like, the lack of subtleties kind of, like, the world it creates is, like, so endearing to me. It's like so cutching and, like, exaggerated. And yeah, it brings it home with those, like, action scenes. I'm not, like, diminishing your experience of it or, like, anyone else's if you enjoy it.

That's fine. I'm just saying, like, I didn't, like, it's just hard for me to, like, connect to anything going on. it's like, you know, it's unrelatable. It's crazy. I think apparently there's a lot of people that are comfortable diminishing other people's experiences about this movie. Well, that's like all of the internet now. Now the quote is that I'm racist because I don't like Bollywood movies and because I said this is similar to Bollywood movies that I've seen. I get to same shit. People are, yeah, people are fucking babies. I mean, they're not even serious. I don't think that they believe that either.

I think they're just like trying to get a gutcha. It's a fucking movie, I mean. Yeah. But, you know, yeah, I get it. I get why people, you know, have fun with this. It's, that action scene in the middle. Yeah, that is very memorable. It's cool stunts.

And, you know, I just wish I, like, connected more to it. I suppose this once was the end that is like so good. I was like, I was like cackling. It was like so much fun. I enjoyed the, was it like spears or bow and arrow? I think there was a bit of both near the end. There was parts of that.

Yeah. In that action scene, I was like, oh, okay, this is fun. But I was like, fucking two hours and almost three hours into the movie, like, before me to be able to feel like I had fun. It's just not for me. Which scene did you like that? You know, with the kind of prison escape towards the end where there's a kind of twist reveal halfway through the movie where, like, one of the brothers turns out to be like

a double agent type figure. So there's like, yeah, the movie starts and there's kind of two villainous aspects as the, the colonizer British assholes that are doing their thing. Oh, yeah. Which, yeah, which is kind of like a fun angle. Because that was one of the things I don't really even remember about Bahubali, like, what was like the core conflict? There was a privacy. No idea. Was there like a lead villain character, though, like a mustache twirling bad guy like there was in this one with the guy who's like, yeah, don't even waste the bullet type thing.

Yeah, yeah. Whereas this, it was like really clear, like established in the first scene. you know, where the mum gets like smacked over the head with the, yeah, the piece of wood and stuff. It, like, just establishes everything really clearly. But then it also has the layer in between that where it has this kind of like antagonist figure with the brother who's like going undercover. And then, yeah, it's revealed that he's also like, I guess, spoilers.

He was actually working for the good guys the whole time, which then justifies this, like, prison escape sequence at the end. And it's like this whole bromance. and yeah that prison escape scene is like so good it's like so funny it's so creative and it's just so kind of unlike the kind of uh filmmaking of this scale that especially like how tired we are um outside of you know the old like top gun maverick i'd say for the most part there's like a very kind of safe boring uh synthetic kind of look and uh feel to a bunch of these these kind of like movies going for this kind of epic scale where

or like big budget Hollywood movies like they all look the same the Jurassic worlds and whatever they all blend together yeah yeah this movie yeah it has a distinct style but they never do anything with the action though either like they don't do anything like fun but man uh-huh they get creative and crazy with and like they are it kind of is a superhero movie anyway it's a Marvel movie from India basically it's literally what it is but it's better than that though because like

There is, well, because it's from India. You know, it has the Indian, like, over the top. Yeah,

yeah, but that's what sells it, though, is that, like, that tone, that cartooning tone. Yeah,

but they're both things that I don't like, and then you combine them together and then it's like, okay, you've created something in between those two things that I don't like,

but I still don't like either of those things individually. Like, it just, it doesn't connect with me. Mm-hmm. And more of all, I kind of relate to those characters more, because,

like, Peter Parker, right he's a kid from queens that's basically me so i like related to that and it's like yeah that's literally me on this so like there's a bunch of like characters like that like all those superheroes like some people connect to captain marvel whatever you know it's like hard to connect to this insanely wacky situation of like the brothers and the cover up it's like really wacky film and if you like that like god bless you like enjoy it it's just hard for me to get into i think you're i think you're racist is what's going on it's not that

that it's hard to get in. I think you're racist, obviously. Yeah. Uh-huh. When there's just no stakes or, like, when you don't feel stakes, personally, it's hard to- Yeah, I didn't give a shit about anything that was happening. Yeah. Even if it's, like, really well choreographed, like, I appreciate, yeah, the craft of it.

And, yeah, and, you know, Alex, you're in the majority. Like, clearly people love this movie. If I said this on Twitter, I'd get fucking shit on. So, that was the thing. Like, I didn't feel the stakes in a Bahubali, but I felt the stakes here. It was like so, it was like just the right level of simplicity for me. me, you know, where it's like the, the daughter gets kidnapped, so that's like the goal for like the first half of the movie. And then it shifts to more of the whole like rebellion,

taking down the colonizer angle thing and bringing that to it to you. I find it very distracting and it, and it, uh, it negatively impacts my experience being able to follow along to a story and soak in the narrative when things are dubbed no matter what language you watch it in. So you watch it in the original language Tolugu, and we had this exact same issue with Bahubali. Even if you watch it in the original language, half the scenes are dubbed, because they just filmed some of the scenes in different regions with different languages. And instead of subtitling it, they just always have every single language track is dubbed, no matter which language track you watch it in. And that pisses me off. And it's distracting. I'm like,

why are you doing that? I don't like the dub. I was going to ask about that. because it's like those old spaghetti westerns like yeah like the spaghetti westerns back then they speak like italian and then they like yeah yeah talk english stuff i watched it on netflix and yeah it doesn't have that original to lugu option for some bizarre reason i watched the original to lugu and it's still dubbed in like half the movie it's so frustrating but does it have like a better ratio of like yes a bit of stuff like record on set and like you can actually tell us less is dubbed okay Yeah, but there's still... That'll probably be a preferable version, and I find that strange that it isn't like on Netflix.

I know. I didn't watch that version, and after what, half an hour, I kind of just got used to it. Just reading the text anyway, because, yeah, it's so cartoonian over the top, like it didn't even really matter that much, to me, that side of it. Even, like, the musical number, like, I was really digging. Like, just the way everything's framed, it was, like, really funny to me. Like, the whole... Yeah, yeah.

Like, there's this love interest character who... can't speak to Lugo and they're like having these full scenes together like just not understanding each other and it was just something really ridiculous and funny to me about that I mean I guess you guys would find it annoying but like there was man it was it's that it's that earnest thing where like everyone is taking it so seriously but the material is so goofy I absolutely love that kind of tone that makes it 10 times like funnier and more entertaining to me instead of like you know the nudge nudge wink wink at the camera type self-awareness thing yeah so used to it this Yeah. You know, the movie does feel kind of earnest and genuine, which I do think people connect to.

Yeah. Yeah, the kind of cynical, right, self-referential humor that's become so accustomed in like Hollywood movies now. It's so tired that you see a free guy and deadpillar. So yeah, it's cool to see something genuine and, right, has a style, has cool visuals. That's actually thought put into that. Oh, God. Oh, God. Sorry, I just, I opened my notes

I am really sensitive to like fake sounding instruments And I'm like, okay, this is a huge budget movie And you're still going to do MIDI trumpets Like that, that's, it's so irritating to me It's literally like nails on a chalkboard So I don't understand how people are like Oh, you're just supposed to enjoy it like

No, that's like literally it's triggering to me Like fucking keyboard trumpets Like holy shit Jesus, why do you Yeah, let me just I'm trying to look up the budget And, you know, it's hard to translate. It's a big budget for an Indian movie.

Yeah. You know, their currency's different. It's 5.5 billion I and R. I don't know what that is. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what that translates to. Yeah. There's a lot of...

But yeah, it's... I think it's like one of the most expensive. Did you not like the musical number scene then, that whole, the dance sequence? By the time I got there, I was so fucking checked out. And I was like, just irritated. And I don't know. Like, it doesn't... It didn't distinguish itself much at all from other dance numbers I've seen in Indian films.

It was just like, oh, okay, this is on the checklist. You know, there's American films have their own checklist, and I'm just as irritated by checklist scenes in American films. This is just a different checklist, and I've seen it before. Maybe a lot of other people that love this movie have never seen such a thing before. Cool. This is something I've seen before, and I'm just irritated by it. I don't like checklist movies.

It's just, it's, it's frustrating to me. Yeah. I just It's weird that they Oscar nominated it But I guess they felt obligated to give it Some sort of a nod Because so many people were expecting this

To like actually have multiple nominations Jason Blum tweeted That mark my words He was he was going to bet That RRR would win best film at the Oscars This was before the nominations were out And that's what he literally said that And then he promptly deleted the tweet.

And apparently there's a lot of people that believe that. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I don't know if you feel that way, Alex. Like, you just enjoy the film. Like, I don't know in what world people think that the academy would nominate this for best picture. Like, what the hell are you smoking? Like, I don't understand these people. Like, the movie is just so epic that the academy would nominate it for best picture.

Like, that's what they do? Yeah, this is reminding me a little bit of that discussion we had for, um, Was it Mission Impossible fallout a little bit? You know, like, those action scenes like was so good to me. That raised up everything around it to a point where it's like, I don't even care like when things are sagging a little bit, which I didn't even think was too bad in this movie despite that runtime because I felt the pace was so quick.

Ignore the bathroom scenes. Or like, yeah, like little quirks obviously here and there, like the CG animals like don't look great. And there's like lots of bad actors. but like the earnestness shines through and like that genuinely the action is so much fun like I can't wait to get some like friends together and like have a few days and watch this because it's going to be like I think that would be like the perfect environment to like really enjoy and celebrate maybe maybe that's how yeah maybe that's how I should watch it I yeah I would not

personally but I'm really glad that you get that out of it I'm really glad you do if there's one thing that I could say about this film as like a definite positive even though I don't connect to the film. I obviously don't connect a lot to the filmmaker because this is a part of his his being. But that's the thing is it does feel like it was made with passion. It does feel like himself is in the film. And I could, you know, I might not connect with that. I might not connect with what he's putting out there. But at least he's putting out himself. And you can tell the guy really likes making movies. Like that's, I'm not going to, I'm not going to take that away from him, you know. So. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's, that's.

That's pretty cool. Yeah. People love it. Good for them. You know, like, if it's just with a movie like this, it's so universal. It almost was trying to have a universal appeal. And I think it succeeded in what it's trying to do. But when you cast your nets so wide, there's going to be some people who don't love

what you're doing. And that's just like a fact of life. It doesn't mean anyone's wrong or right. It's just, you know, some people aren't going to dig it. And some people love it. I'm great. I mean, that's great. I'm happy. Some people are racist, obviously. For people. Well, yeah, so people just hate Indians.

Some people, some people never recommend foreign films on their channel. They're just so racist. They're definitely not known for including foreign films in their top 10 of the ear list more than any other person on the platform. No, yeah, they're just really racist, obviously. Simple answers for simple people. Yeah, it's a weird one because, like, man, I didn't connect with. Bahu Bale did the point where I didn't even watch like the sequel, whatever, because that was only like half the story, wasn't it? Like, I just, yeah, who cares if you don't finish this story?

I do remember there being, like, way more musical numbers in it, like, breaking up the tone. Mm-hmm. Like, a lot more regularly. Right. I was going to mention, this seemed more, more action-heavy. And I don't know if that's because of the region it was made in. It has, like, a different kind of flavor. It's, like, more action-focused and less musical.

Because, yeah, there's not many musical numbers, which is good for me, because those are, like, kind of my least favorite parts of like the Bollywood movies. Yeah. No, because that's what I was kind of dreading that it was like every 20 minutes. There was going to be one of these and it stops me from like getting into the story. But there's one and I felt it was well placed, expressive. Uh-huh. Kind of a banger, to be honest.

Yeah. Sure. It's mostly action, yeah, which I did appreciate that and note that. Yeah, because that was what I liked about Bahaubali was the like wacky action, like towards the end, the big like scale of it and how like silly and creative they were getting. I was like, man, if I could just get more of that, like, more consistently. then I'd be down for this kind of story. And I felt like that's what this was with more of a heart as well.

Like those two main characters I found, I defined them very endearing, especially with like where it goes and how it kind of concludes. I found like very satisfying and kind of crowd pleasing. Yeah. No, I really enjoyed this despite that runtime and everything. You've been saying like, yeah, it really connected with me. Mm-hmm. Awesome.

I'm actually, I'm glad. for you. And I'm glad we had this conversation because just like, yeah, there's, there's, there's some people defending this movie that, uh, I'm not able to understand why they like it, because they have very, um, very, uh, I guess just simple understanding of the world and not understanding that other brains exist, whereas like, you are capable of understanding that other brains exist. Yeah, because I saw some people saying like, oh, you just got to switch your brain. off, which I find to be like a really, I don't find that a compelling argument. Not at all the time.

Don't experience the film with your brain. I didn't feel like I had to do that. I was getting enough from that action. I thought the framing of everything was just simple enough, just engaging enough to get me in. I understood the stakes. I liked those main characters a lot. I like the emotion they brought to it. The actors were clearly really loving it and were really selling it to me.

And yeah, man, if you like just wacky, big scale action scenes, It really delivers on that front to me. Awesome. I'm giving this one star for each R in the title at a 10. Yeah, I'm not going to rate it because I didn't finish it. Who knows? One day I'll finish it, it'll click with me. And I'll be like, wow, that's the greatest movie ever.

Yeah. Maybe. I wound up writing it for most of the runtime. It was like hovering around like seven out of ten for me, but that whole prison escape sequence was like, I was like, I was loving it. So I actually bumped it up to a four star for me.

Yeah. Awesome. All right, let's talk about, we also saw another film that was in theaters called Mithrigan. And it's, how do we feel about it?

How do we feel about it? Everybody? It's, it's Blum, Jason Blum. Technically. Yeah, who said,

RR should win best film up there with Megan. Well, Megan is this year technically, so it can't be nominated for best film. Did Jason Blum produces? Yeah, with James One, right?

Yeah, it was Blumhouse, right? Yeah. I think, yeah, they're doing a lot of collabs now. I think they're actually

just going to merge studios or some shit. It felt like a Blumhouse, maybe. Well, like Universal. Yeah, this feels very much to me like a,

uh, kind of black phone situation where it's like this horror film's coming out. There's a bunch of, like positive buzz for it. And then I watch it. I'm just, I just, I don't get what the, what the deal is with this. I was like, bored out my mind. I could not like, yeah.

I couldn't figure out the tone that it was going for, like, what it was really trying to achieve. It really kind of pissed me. It is kind of fucking boring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of waiting for the, uh, oh man, what was?

Uh, malignant sort of moment where it would like click or something or something wacky would happen, but that never comes. Yeah. That absolutely. not happen. Here's the thing with malignant. Even in the first half of malignant, and I'm going to try and say this without spoiling malignant, but even in the first half of it where the tone is confusing and it's like,

okay, what are you really going for before it really clicks? Even within that, there's like good directing, right? Whereas Mathrigan zero semblance of like being a competent director to be found anywhere in the entire film. When every single performance is that bad, It's not the actor's fault. When every single performance in your entire film is that bad, it is not the actor's fault at all. That is a shit director.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, Alison Williams is a good actress. Yeah, not in this one. I don't think she was terrible in this. Not in this one. Yeah, it's like the, yeah, the malignant moment isn't really here. I guess it's like when she's dancing in the hallway toward the end.

But that's in the trailer. It's like a one second thing. The TikTok dance, yeah. Yeah, that is the moment. Yeah, it just seemed like it couldn't decide what kind of horror movie it wanted to be, because you could imagine like a really kind of self-aware, dumb conceit with this movie because the whole thing is like a toy company that's building this lifelike doll, which in and of itself just like, it just, like it doesn't make any sense to the point where it's like,

okay, so this is already so stupid that I'm not going to buy into it unless you are kind of a bit more self-aware about it. Or find some fun angle, some kind of chucky-esque angle to take with it. but it doesn't. No. It just kind of flaps around and then ends. Like there's, I didn't even take notes during this one. Like,

I really, I was bored out of my fucking mind. Like, I don't know what, Blumhouse movies, man, I can't. I can't.

Yeah. But outside of get out. Like, I really don't like them. Yeah. And like whiplash. Whiplash. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The least Blumhouse, Blumhouse.

And there's like one other one, probably. This is one other one. I'm not thinking of them. But yeah, it's like, I think for a Blumhouse movie, it's like maybe... I liked it more than Halloween ends, at least, because it had a little more of a

comedic tone. I get, you guys didn't get that. Oh, no. I definitely got it. It was kind of like a dark horror comedy. It just wasn't like funny 100% of the time. It just wasn't, exactly. It didn't go in either direction.

It wasn't scary and it wasn't funny. You're a horror comedy. So you can't do either of those things. None of the acting's good. None of the shots are good. None of the horror is good. I'm trying to think of something funny that happened. What are you selling me?

Yeah. If none of it is competent, what are, what am I supposed to appreciate about it? If every single element is just bad. It's not wacky enough. Yeah. You know, it hints at that. As you said, Alex, it just kind of flaps around. It wasn't like Sam Ramey over the top or anything.

It's, it's the magic harp of movies. That's kind of the stuff I like when it got a little more, when it got a little more wacky. That's like more. And it didn't really go that far. It got a little fun then because at least it was memorable. But yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't really go far enough. It's like, yeah, with RRR, it's like so over the top.

Like, at least it's memorable. This is like... And the tone's consistent. It's the thing. Yeah. Yeah. I get the tonal shift. I don't know.

I feel like I'm more positive on it than you guys were. But I'm also struggling to remember, like, what I liked about it. It's so derivative, too. With these kind of movies, I like just go into, like, what was like a good scene from it. Well, it was like an awesome scene from it. Exactly. I can't think of one. When she started singing titanium by Sia, I was like, I like that song.

And I remembered that I liked the song. Did you like it in the movie? It was one of those things where it's like, I can, I, I like that you tried. And that's going to make, that's going to connect with some people. It didn't connect with me. But I like that you tried to do something a little kind of silly. Didn't work. But, you know, it reminded me of something that I like.

that's not the movie. Mm-hmm. So that was the best part about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's the thing with so many Blumhouse movies where, like, you can tell just from the advertising that this is just going to be a huge success, everyone's going to go and see this movie. And I guess just having the, like, creepy little girl, you know, kind of uncanny valley type thing going on.

Like, that's enough. That's all they really needed to get butts and seats. But, like, it doesn't, it can't carry an hour story long movie. No. Yeah. Yeah. It is really bare bones lazy in terms of what it's offering as a film. It's a skeleton of a movie.

There's no detail. There's nothing to like appreciate. It's so hollow. Yeah. What you get on surface level is just the movie. Like, that's the whole movie. The trailer was the movie. That title.

That title with the three in it is like, M3 again. It's just so like, uh. Which sucks because they're obviously making a sequel now because it was successful. So the third movie, what is that going to be called? Megtugan. Mthrigan 3? Yeah, is it going to be Mithrigan 2 or Mithrigan 3?

If they could change the A into a 4, that could be Mithrig for. Yeah, we're talking about $12 million budget for this. So it's, you know, very low. Yeah, that is low. with 160 million plus gross So yeah we're gonna probably get a bunch of these Unfortunately Yeah

This movie was originally supposed to be rated R Then Oh really The fucking dance part I guess TikTok people were like Yeah it went viral into TikTok Yeah

So they were like So they had to make the babies To go see So they cut it down to a PG-13 rating Yeah Yeah Okay Yeah so 15 in the

UK, whatever that means. The most obnoxious crowd of people, like I've ever seen a movie. Oh, yeah? They were like, they had their flashlights on. Yeah, I think that's probably what they were doing. They were probably TikToking. But they had their phones on, like flashlights on, talking during the movie. It was fucking irritating.

Oh, that sucks. So maybe that's why I rated the movie higher, like, because I wasn't able to, like, appreciate, like, I was, I could barely pay attention because he's fucking annoying people. I could hardly pay attention. I mean, that's the thing with, that's the thing with Blumhouse movies too. Whenever you see these movies, the crowd is always like so obnoxious. It is. They're just like irritating.

Yeah. Yeah. Horror movie crowds and especially Blumhouse. It's just so fucking irritated. Bad horror movie crowds. Yeah, I had that for smile recently too. Yeah, it's because they get teenagers in there who like have nothing better to do and they're fucking entitled.

So they just like ruin everything. Like they're ruining the experience for everyone else in the theater. That's like, that's basically. what you get with a PG-13 horror movie. Exactly. So you're better off watching an R-rated horror movie, like an A-24 or something like that. Here's my advice. Try to catch it like earlier in the day.

Yeah, with something like that. I saw it in a place that served liquor, so it was just like adults. Yeah. Those 824 horror movies get like, you know, low user reviews because they go see shit like this because they just want to go on their phone and be obnoxious. Like, they don't actually want to watch like a good movie. Yeah, they just want to look at the scream and there's a TikTok dance, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And they had to wait an hour and a half for it because it's at the very end. Yeah, I thought the movie was going to like wrap up in that building there where they build Methrigin. Yeah. And she kills like the CEO, whatever. But then it just ends at the house again. Like they all have to go back to the house because, you know, they have to save money on the budget to film in the building. We got only have two days in the building. We got to go back to the house. It always went back to the house. Most of the movie was in the house because they had to save money. And it was in the woods.

who's in the woods in a house or like in one room in a building yeah maybe a needed James one direction to add some character to it yeah it's got no personality or even like yeah work like the the one location thing to like a strength like kind of black phone did where he's trapped in the basement it's like oh okay we're trapped here it's one location but that's the story

have her trapped in the house with Megan or something like have the climax of the movie like they're trapped But like nothing happens with that. It's like they just go back and forth. And, you know, they're in that house basically to save money is what I'm saying. It's not any kind of like story reason or like it doesn't like work dramatically. That fucking. And there's just like little things that bothered me.

The supposed climax of the film with her battling the other robot where it's just like this Marvel moment. You know? Yeah. It was so annoying. And it was like the implication that it was super epic with it was just. just really lame. It's always just so annoying. Yeah, that's what I mean. That could have been like tense. Yeah. And the little girl's like in a room and they tell her to stay there. But then I think Megan like smashes a glass over Allison Williams head. Like wouldn't the kid come out of a room?

And then she comes in and she's like, there's no reason why she shouldn't be able to see exactly what's happening. And then Mithrigan is talking at like the same volume she was before. She's not even whispering. She's like, if she finds out, I'm going to kill you. And it was so confusing. I had to piece together like, oh, the implication is that Mithrigan is speaking, but the other girl can't hear her. That this is, like, when you have to put an effort into understanding something that should be very simply communicated in a film, I'm sorry, that's bad directing. Your job is to communicate those things. Your job is to make, like, communicate those in a way that's, that's simple to understand for audience members. Like, sure, if you want to have, like, subtexts or, like, deeper meaning,

like, maybe those things can be, uh, an effortful interpretation, but like, basic things about what you're supposed to be experiencing in the movie, when you can't figure that shit out, or when you actually have to put an effort into it, you might just suck it directing. You might just suck at it. Tell me if you guys notice the same thing, but there was one actor in particular that I thought was like, like, stood out as being like, so horrendous that I was like, is this, like intentionally bad. The, um, the kind of like higher up at the toy company guy who kept like showing up and was supposed to be like an intimidating figure who was coming in and like putting his foot down.

Like, we got to get the new toys now. What's his name? Ronnie Scheng or something. He was, yeah. He was like, oh my God, was he bad? I was like, shocked. I was like really shocked by how appalling that performance was. Both himself and Alison Williams were like so fucking good. He was like, he was acting like he was in a satire. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly right, Ralph. That's exactly. how it felt to me. Yeah. Which is why I thought the movie was a satire, but it kind of is. It doesn't go far enough in any direction.

No, it doesn't really go far enough. Like, I like the opening, the little opening where, like, you see the toy commercial for, like, the stupid toy that she has at the beginning. That's before Megan. Like, that was fun. It's like, oh, this is like a satirical take on, like, the toy industry and how it's, like, taking over child's brains and they're not focused on, like, you know, their lives or whatever. It could have done something there interesting, is my point.

And they just like, they kind of know. The whole idea of like, kind of embracing the uncanny valley, like, creepiness for like horror reasons. Like, you could do something with that. You could play with that. You could like make something kind of weird and freaky with it. But it's, yeah, it's more interested, I guess, in the dancing and the, in the advertising side.

TikToks, yeah. And just being like a conventional horror movie with the jump scares, with the kills. And yeah, it's super lame. I don't know. I rated it positively. I guess... Fuck. I don't know.

There was something I liked about it when I saw it. Something. There was something I liked about it. And maybe it was like, yeah, the child psychology angle. Maybe that was interesting while watching it, perhaps. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. My Blumhouse is just my movie cryptonite.

Like, I just... I can't wait to see what we do at five nights. Freddy's at least that's gonna be something oh man that is gonna be a train wreck can't wait I'm excited for that too maybe I like that about the film too at least it's an original IP it's not just a you know another Halloween movie or another five night to Freddy's yeah it's a chucky yeah like how original are we talking here a new franchise it's a new franchise it's a new IP yeah you can't literally say it's like child's play it's it's it's it's influenced by child's playing yeah it's just a worse child's playing yeah it's just a worst child's movie

Yeah, it's like ex machina kind of And you know Any kind of like AI kind of thing It's yeah It really played around more with like the science fiction I actually I wish you played around more with the science fiction Yeah

Because that kind of been kind of cool Like oh you're blending like this like futuristic technology With like this horror movie story And yeah But if they really wanted to embrace it would be too expensive Which isn't really Blumhouse's cup of tea Yeah I wish you did a lot of things

things. I like they killed the kid. That's about it. Uh, giving this one a, uh, a three gun out of ten. Yeah, this was a one and a half star for me. Like, uh, yeah, I'm aware Blumhouse just, they just don't really connect with me. And this one definitely didn't. Wish James won, maybe could have directed it. Maybe that's what it needed to sell the goofiness a bit more or bring some kind of character or charisma to it. But yeah, just awful all around. Well, I gave it a three-star I clearly saw something in it I'm not going to argue with you guys

I don't want to It's pointless Trying to argue you hated it That's fine Yeah Yeah I clearly saw something in it Just take the same concept Give it to someone with talent

You've got a better movie It's as simple as that You need a better story And a better script I mean And a better director It's just weak weak

in the elements that bring it life and so it didn't have a life. Sweet. I guess it's time to talk about the movie that was recommended last episode. Cereal mum. Mom.

As a serial mama. Serial mima. Mum. Serial mama. Serial mother. Yeah, as you said. From 1994 and it's directed by John Waters. So yeah, I recommended this movie.

and the first thing people are going to say, like, why don't you recommend Pink Flamingos? It's like the right. I think we, I think, why don't you recommend Pink Flamingos, Ralph? I think, did we see Pink Flamingos? I think Adam saw it. I've seen it.

I actually watched Pink Flamingos and Serial Mom for this discussions. Oh, great. They're very different movies, I feel. They're both weird. They're both definitely made by the same director. But they have very different styles and tones. And I see Serial Mom's more like,

of a conventional movie that like I could actually have more of a discussion about like, I feel like I could talk more about a movie like this and something is out there is like Pink Flamingos. Yeah. But yeah, I really like this movie and, uh, the conversation about Pink Flamingos is more about the director anyway. And you can like still have that conversation talking about one of his other films. What I'm curious about Alex.

And the shock value. Have you not seen a John Waters film before? And that's why you watch Pink Flamingos. No. Yeah, that was the main reason. because I'd always been meaning to get around to pink flamingos, but never really found like an excuse to. And, yeah, he'd always been there kind of in the background, like that random cameo and jackass that he has. Oh, yes. Just hearing about him here and there.

And he's like an important figure in film. But I figured, yeah, getting in with pink flamingos because that's kind of the most well-known. Is it infamous the right word? It's notorious, infamous, sure, yeah. Notorious film, yeah. I don't know if I could bring myself to, like, recommend that. It's really fucking out there. Exactly, exactly.

But that's cool. Yeah, so basically, for those of you unfamiliar with John Waters, he's a director that just kind of really enjoys getting reactions out of people. He's like, you could call him like a little bit of a troll in that sense. But there's this disgust factor that he finds very amusing that he just puts in his film. Like he wants to do something and show you something that you haven't seen before in a way that does push boundaries. And that's what he's really good at is just making something, you know, outrageous and, you know, pink flamingos. It's not like a well-directed, well-filmed movie, but that's, it doesn't need to be because it's just doing like really fucked up shit.

That's part of its charm. And that's why he fits in with the jackass crew is because that's also a different type of that art form is just the laughter in that outrageous element of like, oh, wow, they just did that, you know, like, ugh, or trying to make people vomit. Like, he's happy, if you tell him that you vomited watching one of his movies, he'll, he would love that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And it came close for me in Pink Flamingos. Yeah, sure. He finds really weird, like, subjects for his movies.

And, yeah, he likes those weird kind of characters and exploring them. And they do these shocking things. And, yeah, when they were marketing Pink Flamingos, they didn't really show footage from the movie so much. In the trailers, they were showing footage of the audience in the trailers, watching the movie and being shocked and, like, being revolted by it. And that's how they marketed the movie. I think that's part of his appeal. Exactly. That shock factor gets butts in seats.

People at least wanted to see it at some point. What's the tagline for Pink Flamingos is an exercise in poor taste, which is a good way of putting it. And what is like an interesting concept? Like, yeah, it's really unique and does bring out like an emotional response from you. Because like, yeah, some of the stuff is like genuinely like gross and disgusting. And it's like part of the story of the film too. So it's like, yeah, a whole experience to it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely a groundbreaking, boundary-pushing film and director.

Yeah. That's a good thing. It's like aside from like saying it's like shocking and what like I don't have much to say about that. You know, we're a serial mom. I feel like I have a lot to say about starting with like the way he filmed this movie compared to Pink Flamingos. Like Pink Flamingos is like rough, really rough cinematography. And that's like, so when you've watched a movie like this and the way it's filmed, it is filmed like a kind of conventional movie. I'm sure some people will be critical of the movie for that. Like, oh, it's too conventional. But you gotta think about what he's doing here and what this movie is. It's a satire of like, you know, the suburban family. And it's kind of like a, like a sitcom feel. It's trying to be a bit conventional. It's part of the style and

part of what it's satirizing. And that's why he chose to film this movie this way. Like, tame, nuclear family, like dynamic. Yeah, with the like housewives that won't even say Like, what was that flower? The pussy willows. Pussy willow. Yeah. The amount of times I heard pussy in this movie, it's hilarious. Yeah, the amount of time, the first note, like, that was written to her, it's like,

I'm going to get you pussy face. Let it out. Nobody's going to hurt you. Yeah. Pussy. Pussy will. It's funny. Would you be more comfortable saying it to a female police officer?

Yeah. Exactly. It's like, it's very funny. It has a very distinct, very specific tone. that it captures like perfectly like the satire all the like the dialogue delivery of everything the set design like the dad's the dad is a dentist his dentist office there's a giant photo a giant picture of a tooth yeah it's just like center frame and it's colorful and it's like so distracting but that's hilarious to me i find shit like that's so funny yeah no it was a nice like it's like a lot of thought

satire. Like, we keep talking about, like, these, like, comedy films and, like, they're just so, like, in your face and that lack of subtlety, but it is a true satire. Like, the whole intro with the kind of doing the Fargo saying it's like a true story and all of this, like, happened. I love that framing. It makes it feel like so much more, like, it gives stakes to it, I feel. And this came before Fargo. This is 94. And Fargo's 96. So, this movie did do the whole true crime thing before Fargo did. And yeah, I love framing a story that way. It makes it so much more interesting. And yeah, it's not true. But the movie did get me, I think, for like the first half of it where I thought it was true. There's a certain point. She kills so many people. She kills so many people in such a short amount of time. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

She kills so many people in such a short amount of time. It's like, okay, no way is this fucking true. I'm not sure. This is a very true story. When she's being tailed by like 10 police cars in like a comical like row, it's like, yeah. It's like really silly and then over the top that way. Yeah, exactly.

I love the acting. Yeah, the main girl, Kathleen Turner. She's great. She was really funny. She was, nailed it. She nailed it perfectly, yeah. Yeah, the whole family was funny. The dude from the Scooby Doo played Shaggy.

Yeah, Matthew Lillard. Yeah, yeah. Mrs. Puff shows up. I wish I knew his name off. Oh, yeah. Is that the neighbor? Yeah, yeah. The one who sees the blood.

Because I loved her. The blood on the bottom of her shoe and tells the police, yeah. Yeah, you get some doo-doo on your shoe. Yeah, I love that character, too. It was a very funny performance. Everyone was great in the movie. And something I love about the characters, too, was they had agency. Like, they actually figure out that she's, like, a serial killer, and they piece it together

themselves. And I did like that about the writing, whereas, you know, in a more conventional movie, she would, like, reveal it in some, like, cliche scene toward the end. they drag it out too long. This movie has a really good pace. Like, the characters actually feel like, oh, these are characters with their own agency, and they figure these things out. And it keeps the story moving forward. Like, it goes all these directions that you don't expect it to go. And like, in the second half, it doesn't really become about her killing people anymore. It becomes about, like, her going to jail and her trial and, like, becoming a satire of all that shit. Like the,

the justice system, one of the detectives, they just bring out that he has a magazine delivered to his door, chicks with dicks. And that's like the big like, oh, we got him. He gets a magazine chicks with dicks. And he's like, oh, so we ruined his reputation. And it's just like stupid cartoony logic like that. The movie's always unpredictable. It's always doing things. And it's always fun. It's always, you know, you actually want to watch it because it's always funny. And it's always engaging. Yeah. And that's all really I could ask for for a comedy. Yeah, I love this movie. I thought was great, especially the second time. I thought it was really funny. It reminded me at points. of American Psycho, just how she kept getting away with it, which is funny.

Yeah. I wonder if maybe, like, the novel for American Psycho came out before this, but the film came out after. And I wonder if maybe there was like a little bit of inspiration, because, uh... Oh, definitely. Yeah. It seemed to kind of just that that was a part of, like, the satire that it was offering of just, you know, like, oh, you know, this, this wouldn't really happen.

she wouldn't really get away with it like this and we're kind of stretching the excuses as to how she could or why she would get away with it but she just continues getting away with it and it gets more ridiculous as it goes on and the fact that it's ridiculous is part of the joke

you know you're not supposed to it's not supposed to be like a logical thing it's supposed to be like oh this is stupid and that's why it's funny it also reminded me of kind of like Lloyd Kaufman trauma films because he always has that same kind of tone of like, okay, yeah, this is supposed to be dumb.

You know, we're just going to, we're going to do something weird and wacky and kind of, you know, poor taste or whatever. And it's not supposed to be like this higher thing. But I feel like John Waters does bring a level of talent to it that Lloyd Kaufman doesn't really have. I feel like John Waters is just a better director going for a similar kind of tone. A level of like class. Yeah.

Because those are a super low budget. And yeah, witty, clever. funny dialogue like that was selling it a lot for me yeah we were saying about how like that like the husband character for example is like kind of piecing it together finding the clues and under the bed of all the like she's like got this idea ideation with um serial killers and it's like a manson read it what was it looking at like Charles Manson in the uh under a bird book type thing like you'd look at you know porn under like a real book or something and yeah he's got that line later on where they've all like figured out that she's a serial killer.

And he's like, yeah, I've read all about this. Like, is this menopause? And like he's just like deluded and going from the beginning of the movie, he's like, there's like a murder reported on TV. And he's like, they should get the death penalty. But then by the end, he's wearing that badge that's like no, no gas chamber or something like that. Like, yeah, this got like just a really funny frame.

Yeah. There's so many funny jokes and payoffs. Yeah. Great running gags. Like I love the running gag that are like the, the one of the. police detectives there, like every woman in the movie wants to have sex with him. That's really funny running gag. Like, this girl's boyfriend is, like, killed by the serial mom, and she's crying, and

then she looks over the police detective and starts, like, flirting with him, giving him looks. Like, it's hilarious. It's so silly and ridiculous. But it keeps, like I said, it keeps up that fun. It doesn't get boring. It always does something that you don't expect it to do, and that keeps it fresh, and it keeps it, you know, a lot really, really fun, and it's a short movie, too. Especially the way it all comes to a head with that, that court scene, that's when I was like really, really loving it.

And the jokes are like, really landing for me. Because it was like, yeah, bringing back like recurring characters and that whole scene where she's like, she's like mouthing like fuck you to the woman. And they like have a screaming matching court and the whole like little bit of commentary of like selling the book about the sensationalized like murders outside of the courtroom and stuff. It's like really funny and clever. Uh-huh. Or just her motivations for killing people like, yeah, yeah, doesn't recycle. So she's like, I, and then the two garbage men are like,

someone should kill her. Yeah, I give her a smile. Yeah. Yeah, it's so ridiculous. Or like the, she like loves birds and she sees like her neighbors eating chicken. And it's like close ups on them like eating chicken. You know, that's a, it's a visual gag too.

Like that scene needed to be. be directed a certain way to have an effect in it. And it did. Like, it was very funny. Even her beating that lady to death with the lamb chop or whatever. And it's set to tomorrow from Annie. Yeah. You had to coordinate the scene to sync up perfectly. It's like, this is a director who has a vision and wanted to do these very ambitious set pieces and it works. And, you know, I love comedies, especially that do that. They have like these great directed scenes like that. Yeah. And it feels like it has kind of like a like theatrical. sensibility to a lot of it, you know, in terms of how it's written, especially how it's performed.

It feels like a very kind of like almost leaning towards theater rather than film in a way, if that makes sense. Yeah, I think that's kind of the satirical. You can tell it's directed by a super gay man. Yeah, yeah. And the kind of exploitation gross stuff, like, is still in there, obviously not in the same way that it isn't being flamingo. but you got like, yeah, the bogies on the baby and the whole like, licking feet, the dog looking that woman's feet. Oh, yeah, what the hell was that?

It's just so bizarre. It was little reminders, yeah. Yeah, that was, yeah, that was really funny. Oh, man, there's so many jokes in here. That were just great like that, yeah. Mm-hmm. There's a couple, I've written down a couple funny parts, but I mentioned at the beginning the fucking Howie scream, like,

this might be like, one of the earliest examples where it almost seems like it's put there ironically, right? It's, it seems to know just how silly that is in its usage, which is funny because like the inverse is like, you know, the Wilhelm scream that, that, you know, in the 90s, people were just putting it in as like kind of an in joke for filmmakers, but not explicitly, ironically like that. or is like the Howie scream, which is so much funnier to me. And just the way it was used in the film, just like right after a murderer, the guy just shows up. Like, that's his, that's his genuine reaction to seeing a dead body was the Howie scream. It was so funny. That was funny.

And toward the end, there's like a gasp in the courtroom. That's like, it's the sound effect I've heard in a ton of other things. Yeah. It's clearly a tetral low. It's clearly like, oh! Like, it's so ridiculous. Because it just doesn't take itself too seriously. And it doesn't need to.

And it benefits from not... Yeah. Yeah. The tone is perfect. It's the perfect tone. God, there's so many good jokes. Yeah, but especially in that whole courtroom. Yeah, the white shoes after Labor Day bit, the Suzanne Summers, this is my bad side thing.

Like, it's just so many, like, quotable fun moments. When she's chasing and she sees a guy in a, like, I think a van, just a vehicle, and she He does the GTA thing. But instead of like pulling him out, she just says, out please. And he says, yes, ma'am. And just let her take his vehicle. That's fun. Yeah.

That's so stupid, but that's great. That was fun. It's great that it is stupid. The interaction with Lilliard, where that guy comes up and he's like, your mom killed my brother and then like punches him. But then they start having a conversation like, who's going to play you in the like TV show version of this story? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Very. Uh-huh. the satire is very biting. It's like Dawn Girl or something. Uh, right to be of that, like toward the end,

especially with the whole, actress playing her in a movie. It's fair to mention another comedy we talked about, death to smoochie as a comparison. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Oh,

man. I did. Because I was like, oh yeah, I recommended like serial mom, which is like a good, uh, like comedy.

And we just talked about like a really bad comedy. Yeah. I was trying to think about the differences of like why this one works and that one doesn't. Yeah, that's a good point because that was a totally failed satire, wasn't it? Like, it was utterly. Mm-hmm. Contrast. And part of it's like, it's just a much better story.

You have the serial killer mom character, which is a very, it's an archetyte that like, I think a lot of people would know. It's the mom who's like controlling, obsessed with her family, wants everything to be perfect, a product of like that perfect suburban, like. lifestyle. And, you know, it's a satire of that, this mom who, she wants her family to be so perfect that anything that stands in her family's way or her way, she will literally kill them. And she also was kind of nuts at some point. It just starts killing people for random reasons. But it's like, I actually understood what was happening. And there was like pacing and progression. And like I said, like conflicts, like the other characters figure it out and they try to fight back. And the story's changing constantly. It's not just one thing, the whole movie. Yeah. It's

not her killing people the whole movie. And yeah, just Death Dispucci did not have that. I had no fucking idea what was happening that movie. Yeah. You know, it's simple what its goals are. It's easy to understand what it's trying to do. And it's not pretentious. And it's immediately captivating. You know, you never get the impression of like, oh yeah, we think this part's supposed to be funny. This is, you know, like, you never get the impression that it's that it's insisting upon itself. Whereas Death to Smoochie is kind of like, oh, God, you know, like, just predictable. Is it the swatty? Like the lines in Death to Smoochie were predictable and then just everything, like, it was just so

difficult to care what the fuck was going on. It's also short and sweet. Like it knows when it's like extended. Good length. Comedic chops, like everything it can do. Yeah. And another like good sign of the satire being biting is the OJ Simpson like trial was like a few months like after this came out.

So like. Yeah, I was thinking about that. It's around the same time. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know exactly one. But yeah, it's definitely around the same time. clearly a satire of that.

And yeah, it's like actually what happened. Yeah. Yeah, that's, he got free. It's prophetic. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That is funny. Yeah, that it predicted that.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's... Yeah, I kept thinking about the OJ thing during it. I just, yeah, it's a nice, good, just fun film. Like, I, after I watched it, I bought. the Blu-ray. I was like, you know what? I will... Nice. I will take the Blu-ray, please. Collectors Edition Blu-ray. And maybe I'll see some special features. And maybe I'll put it on. See, this I would put on for some like drunk friends or

whatever, you know? I would put this on for a crowd. What about pink flamingos? Would you put that one on? Uh, for the right people, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not everybody. It's not as broad. I'm glad we talked about pink flamingos too. That was... Yeah. Yeah. That one's not as accessible. It's not as accessible.

This is one of the more accessible John Waters films where you still get... For sure. It's very accessible. You still get what he's going for. You get his vibe. But you're not, you know, watching someone eat poop off a sidewalk. Spoilers for pink flamingos. Is that a spoiler?

Like, does that matter? Kind of. It's kind of like the bookend. Yeah, but it's not connected to anything in the film. No, no, no. You could have put it. Yeah. Hey, now watch this, folks.

It's basically like, now for something completely different. Like, in John Waters' whole filmography, a lot of other kind of movies of this kind of level that you'd recommend. I know one of the big ones is like hairspray and that side. But really. Which I haven't seen. There's a lot that I haven't seen from John Waters, honestly. And maybe I got to like, I think I tried. Okay, yeah, there's a rating for hairspray.

I gave it like a six. Which? The original or the year 2000s? 1988. Yeah. But I don't remember much about it. So it couldn't possibly have connected with me that much. Let's see if I...

Because there's supposedly like Pink Flamingos was the first in something he calls the Filth trilogy or something. like this, which sounds interesting. Yeah. Female trouble is on Criterion. I bought that, but I haven't seen it yet. And then I've heard good things about Desperate Living. And yeah, he doesn't have that, like,

he doesn't have that many films that exist, honestly. His filmography isn't, like, that huge. So I think, yeah, it's probably, you could just pick one and probably have a good time with it, I'm assuming. Yeah. They all seem to be received to similar degrees. I think that's what I did.

I just happened to turn this on one day and I'm like, wow, this is a great hidden gem. This is like really funny. Yeah. It's got a really clever story. Great satire. Yeah.

Kind of ahead of its time. You know, like you were saying with the OJ thing. And yeah, the way it influenced like Fargo and Gone Girl and those movies. Yeah. I think it's really great. Very funny.

Yeah. Just like predicting that whole like total obsession with true crime, which is still like true to this day with like that. die of a show. Yeah, it's just such a popular kind of inherently exploitative kind of genre, which is just rife for like comedy and mocking. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you're right about that too. Matthew Lillard's obsession with like horror movies and blood. There's like a whole running part of the movie too. It's like, I guess, this underlying sense of like, there's like these deep-seated, violent thoughts, I guess, and their family. And like, yeah, in general, like,

suburban families like it's all pretty on the surface but really deep down they're all like violent and you know like they have their you know they're hidden violent urges that are like suppressed and ready to come out and I think it's that's really what the movie's about and yeah I can really connect to that to a certain extent like the daughter character who like is like loving all the attention and like posing for the paparazzi and stuff and the fact that like everybody's like a fan of heard like oh you're killing people but you're a mom hell you're Yeah. Just disregarding the people's lives that she's ruined.

Just like, oh, sick. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah, yeah. I want to get a photo. Yeah. Serial mom. Just writing books.

Yeah. At the end of the movie, she's chasing Scotty and, you know, everyone helps her. Oh, come on in. Oh, you're a serial mom. You're serial mom. Yeah, we just let that guy in. Yeah. People are cheering when he is on fire on the stage.

Yeah. Exactly. He's like begging for help. I love that character, too, of Scott. He's just like a kind of a red herring, a comedic relief, like the scene where he's like jacking off or whatever. It's like still in the top of the scene where he's masturbating because it's like these ridiculous motions of like, like, yeah, it's like ridiculous. And yeah, it's like to set up that, you know, we think the serial mom's going to kill him, but they don't and they walk in. And he's like jacking off ridiculously.

Even like the sex scene. No, that was funny. Absolutely fucking ridiculous sex scene. Yeah, it's like ridiculous high thrott. There's clearly like another person helping for the shot. Yeah, he must be on some kind of rig or something. Impossible position. I was trying to think.

It was really interesting watching this after Pink Flamingos because I was just in terms of like pure business, how do you get a film kind of this scale made after something so kind of out there like pink flamingos? And there was like some little nuggets I was reading like apparently the, you know, there's a scene in the church. church in a serial mom where like that was apparently like quite difficult to get like a location for because of like his notoriety and like the the baggage that comes along with uh you know his name yeah i can imagine wow but they actually we got really managed it yeah big pink flamingos fan there at the church yeah that's uh that's great yeah i don't think it had a huge budget. It's very modest for the time. I can look it up quick. Thirteen million. And was a

what commercial flop too. Oh, was it? Yeah. I don't think many people saw it. Yeah, 13 million budget, seven million gross. Yeah. But it's gone on to be a cult classic. It's one of those. I hope it to provide some passive income for me buying the Blu-ray. I hope John Waters looks at my Blu-ray purchase and he's like, thanks Adam.

Yeah. My best friend, John Waters. I wish you'll get a piece of that. I have a couple. There's lines that I just wrote down as part of my notes, just because they're so funny. I like when they called her Joan Wayne Gacy. I thought that was funny. Yeah, that part at the end with the white shoes after, like,

day, just the specific exchange being, no, please, fashion has changed. No, it hasn't. And then just kills it. That was fantastic. That was so funny. Yeah. Yeah. It's a shitpost.

It's so shitposty. I love it. It feels really ahead of its time in that sense. Yeah. They even did the serial killer like breakfast cereal gag. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the only serial I know is Rice Krispies. Yeah.

Yeah, that was fun. That actually got me, yeah, they got a pretty good laugh. Because you know it's coming. Yeah. Yeah. The delivery was perfect of it. Yeah. The whole brown word, you know how I feel about the brown word?

Yeah. The brown word. Oh, there's so many good fucking guys. That whole, like, Fabrije egg thing. I don't know. It's just, like, so just mocking that whole, like, you know, pedantic housewife, like, type thing. Like, man, it's just so clever. Uh-huh.

Yeah. It's so great. Well, I guess I guess that's it I guess that's it, yeah Unless, I don't know if there's anything more you wanted to talk about with like pink flamingos or something, Alex. I just Yeah, no, I kind of enjoyed these films an equal amount but for like complete different reasons

Like yeah, you're saying serial mom is way more of like a conventional movie like it's got stars, you know, in it And more of a like more of a story, more of a. actual framing, but pink flamingos is probably more unique. Like, I've never seen anything like it. Yeah, sure. Just that absolute dedication to the poor taste shock stuff. Like, there's a scene, I guess, spoilers where, like, they're going around this house because it's like this competition to, like, who can be the filthiest in town.

And, yeah, there's this scene where Divine and the Sun character are going around this house, like, licking everything and, like, dribbling. like on everything in the house and something about that was like one of those viscerally like disgusting things like I've never seen and yeah if you if you want like just some fun like especially background behind the scenes like because the whole time I was just thinking how did he even like convince people to like go along with this you know like how did he find people who are willing to like how do you find a guy you found a guy who like he knew a guy who like practice yoga, he like can just prolapse his asshole like on command.

And there's that whole like scene and it's just like, oh my God. This is like so wacky and crazy. I was like, yeah, it's like a real wild ride that one. I mean, if John Waters had a casting call like, yo, who can just throw up on command? I'd be like, I'm in. Some people have some weird talents they know about. Yeah, special talents. Before even being like an established like name, there's the thing.

you know it's like being bold enough to even like do this and like convince people because I was reading like some of the actors that were in it like were like ashamed of it and like tried to hide the involvement in it and stuff like that and yeah like the son character and like reading interviews with him saying about like certain scenes like he regrets doing like there's an actual like unsumulated like fellatio like scene in the movie that was like the one thing you mentioned in the interview that maybe went like a little bit too far, but man, yeah, what an experience. I'd recommend it just on that if you're, if you have the stomach for it.

Like, yeah, I thought maybe I was going to. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a classic. It's a bonafide classic. And the whole Eggman thing. Just the, just the cadence. Like, the dialogue is so strange in that movie. Like, everyone talks and like the checks.

I'm just, yeah. I give you all the eggs you could ever want. You can have a thousand eggs if you want. You can have all the eggs you'd ever dream. It's like so bizarre. Yeah. Please, they need some eggs. Please, egg man.

Yeah, he's refreshing my memory. Yeah, he just like wrote it as you went along. Yeah. Absolutely insane. But yeah, in the best kind of most unique way. Because, yeah, I think it's in the National Film Registry. Like, it's protected. Yeah, it is.

Yeah. Uh-huh. It's an important film. Yeah. Say whatever you want about it. I just don't know if I could recommend a movie where someone eats their own shit. Yeah, I understand why you didn't. I swear enough, but I'm also glad I watched it.

Yeah, yeah, that's good you watched it. Yeah. Way to go, yeah, thank you, Ralph. Recommending a nice little... Sure, yeah, great recommendation. Not painful movie. Not painful comedy, yeah. Like a good comedy, yeah, which was nice.

Yeah, it's a good little hidden gem. Good on John Waters. Yeah, very fun. funny clever Bravo bravo cult classic yeah on this one a seven out of ten

yeah yeah I'm right there with you three and a half star seven out of ten maybe it's a high seven out of ten too it might go up if I see more of his movies and rewatch it I'll give it a four star

four stars I'd seen it twice too nice so there you go and uh John Waters yeah for any uh fans of like the early seasons of the Simpsons or whatever like the first 10 seasons of the Simpsons.

John Waters is a cameo guest voice for the gay episode. He's the gay guy. Zapp. Oh, really? Yeah, that's John Waters. That's a fun one to... Oh, fun. Yeah, yeah.

With that context, yeah. All right, I guess it's question time. Beautiful. Let's do some questions then from the Sodorantana Cusp community. Head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit if you want to leave questions for future episodes, just like Super Rider 108, Understate. score MC did.

Kind of an unusual one, but we might get some fun responses. What were some of the weirdest and or most memorable experiences you've had with fully costumed characters, whether it be at amusement park, conventions, or elsewhere? I've got one if we want to get it going here. There's a place in Devon in the UK. It's kind of a coastal place where they've got this thing called the Eden Project. It's like these huge domes that simulate. different like biomes.

And I was there when I was a kid and for whatever reason, there was like some guy dressed up in this weirdly accurate like dinosaur costume where like you're kind of inside it. And it's like the way it moves and everything like really tricks your eye. And man, it like, I saw it like running around the corner like behind from behind a cactus or something. And it really triggered this like fight or flight thing in my brain. Yeah. And that's like really serious.

into my memory of like, I don't know if I can go back to the Eden project. Scared the shit out of you. Yeah, like really scared the absolute shit out of me. That's funny. That's funny. I thought you were getting chased by dinosaur. Yeah. Yeah.

I went to one of those like Disney breakfast things when I was like a really little kid. Where they like, all the characters come around. They sign your autograph book or whatever. I think I was a really big fan of Winnie the Pooh. I don't remember exactly, but I think I started crying. Like when E. Orr showed up, I think, because, like, Eeyore's, like, kind of depressing character. He's, like, always sad and it made me sad, so I started crying.

And Eeyore had to cheer me up. That's like, yeah, I guess that's, like, all I can think of right now. Well, excluding furry conventions, I guess. I remember, I don't remember how old I might have been, like, I don't know, 10 and 11 or something when my parents took me to the, you know, Disney World Florida thing. And we had autograph books to get autographs from all the characters or whatever. And we took those same autograph books to Universal Studios. And I remember there was like a Tarzan and Jane.

We took a picture. We were like, you know, autograph? And then them without saying anything, they were just like doing the no, no, no finger wag thing for like pointing at the Disney merch, just being like bad. Like they didn't say it. Just like, but it was kind of a funny joke of just like,

don't get Disney thing. That's bad. We are universal. Like, I go. Yeah. They're probably told not to, yeah,

don't like, they're probably told by management. Don't sign anything. Disney. But yeah, there's some, you know, furry conventions,

especially the larger ones. There's a lot of like really cool, really impressive cosplay going on. Yeah. Yeah. Some that isn't even Furry related, but they just Because furry is so much about cosplay

That some people just You know, fucking craft punk From Eric Andre show Someone did a costume like that Oh yeah That's a funny Yeah, someone did the chainsaw man costume And they had like these

Like basically like cardboard chainsaw bits Like going through the middle of their arms And it was like oh shit It was like super cool And I took some photos And yeah And then just Some people have like

really intricate, cool-looking suits. Yeah, like, we were just mentioned Five Nice at Freddy's. I saw some video being, like, shared around if someone had, like, made, like, some crazy, like, detailed, like, fully animatronic, like, costume. And it was like, well, like, props to that. Like, I don't care about FNAF, but holy shit. Like, you really went in for that costume there. Cosplay is cool.

Yeah. It's fun. Okay. Let's do this one from BNFN. BBD 4116. What are some kids' properties you'd like to see get an R-rated adaptation? Seems like these are becoming more common with the upcoming Winnie the Pooh and the Grinch slasher films. This is a Grinch one?

I didn't even hear about that. Yeah. So it's kind of this public domain thing, but it's like, as soon as something goes in the public domain, let's make a horror film out of it, which is kind of, I guess, becoming a bit of a trend now. But it's almost kind of like too obvious in a way to me where it's like, yeah, let's just. This has made them a serial killer instantly. Yeah. You know, it's edgy now.

Yeah. They're doing it with the Pinocchio there too, right? With the, what's it called? Echoes of P. Lies of P. Lies of P. Lies of P. Yes.

I can't get over that. It's so funny. Yeah. Lies of Pee. Yeah. It's just, yeah, it's like the new trend. It's like, you know, the villain movie. That was a trend.

Now the new trend is, uh, is this shit. There was something recent I was watching that was just so, annoying because, oh yeah, it was the trailer for like strays or whatever. It's like, oh, Will Ferrell movie. It's like the 90s, 90s, like, or I guess late 90s, maybe early 2000s trend of taking live action dogs and making their mouths move with CG. And so they're bringing this back, but they're like, but this time, it's R rated. And he says, fuck.

And that's all there is to it. And I'm just like, fucking show me something funny, you know? So if the question is like, which property would I like to see? I guess the property doesn't even really matter. It's just who's behind it. And if you're actually justifying doing it. Just make something funny. Make something where the entire selling point isn't as far as you go with what you're doing.

It's just lazy. It's Mithrigan, you know, like, oh, you get the concept and that's it. And they don't do anything with it. You get an inkling of what something could be. That's kind of like what the happy time. Yeah. The happy time murders is kind of what that was too. It's like kind of Muppets or Sesame Street, except they add, yeah, fucking shit.

Calm jokes. This is R-rated now. They say fuck. You say Muppets, but they say fuck now. Yeah, they like jack off a cow's otters and it's like,

you know, supposed to be like semen or whatever. Yeah, it's stupid shit. Yeah, and shock. You know? Shock humor can be fun. So yeah, it's like shock value.

It can be, but it's like, it's fucking lame when it, yeah. It just needs to have more substance to it. Yeah, it can't be the only thing it has going for it,

you know, if like cars, but they say fuck, like it's not, that's not, enough on its own, you know. Yeah. Sausage party was a but they say fuck movie.

Yeah. Yeah. Not a fan of that one. No, not a fan of that either. Yeah. And neither were the animators. Yeah. You don't need to get into that. Getting goofed. Yeah. So it's kind of this. It's like the same for like any,

anything really. Like you've got to have more than just a kind of vague conceit. Like, it's this, but edgy. Like you need, you need like an actual, like, idea for, Yeah. Take Goofy and Max. And then it's like a weird parody of, you know, like American Vandal, it'll be like a true crime thing. It'll be like an HBO doc and it'll be about like Max outing goofy as a rapist. And that's a good property. Well, Gorge. Oh, man. But if you if you're talented and you can make something funny, like if the satire is right, you know, with that, you know, with that, you. With that true crime, like Netflix, HBO documentary angle, I think it could be funny. I think you could make something like satirical. I think you can make, I think you can make this concept work.

Yeah. That one of the poo movie, that looks really bad. That looks like so cheap to me. Is there a trailer for it? I probably will end up seeing that. I think there is. It just looks so cheap. Yeah.

Even just the posters or whatever. It's like, yeah, it's like the one jug. Outside of that one gag. Right. It's like you spent all the money on the freaking suit. And it's like, wow, it's a cool suit. But that's, you know, you need to make. a movie around it and it's not

it just seems like cheap straight to video like shit yeah it's only getting like a recognition because you know people know writing on the concept alone without any talent there's a lot of horror movies that do that but it doesn't look like a good movie it doesn't even look like a

good like bad horror movie like not even one like I'd watch like for fun it just looks like kind of boring yeah it looks really like cheap digital like so I don't know if that's getting theatrical release. If it is, I think that's kind of, like, embarrassing. I'm sure it'll get some sort of theatrical release somewhere.

Well, yeah, because people are talking about it, you know, because they put the thing on Twitter, like the screenshot at him on the poster, 20 the Pooh, with an evil grin. Yeah, and everyone goes, whoa, I have to see it. But it's like, the movie probably is kind of boring. Exactly. That's, like, 20 years ago or whatever, there was, the same thing happened with the movie teeth. It was like, oh, it's a, she's got teeth in her vagina. And then the movie was boring. And it was like, okay. You just wrote on the concept and it was successful because of the concept and that's it. You didn't do anything with it.

You just, the shock value of this exists and then the whole movie's boring and it's just like, okay, you didn't do anything. Man. God, yeah, I actually watched that entire film as well. Yeah, it is forgettable, isn't it? A single frame of it until you just, literally. So you just reminded me of it. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think I watched the whole thing. It's boring. It is boring. No, I don't have it logged, yeah Like my roommate watched it I saw it was on So I've seen like a couple minutes of it

Yeah, it was not my thing Mm-hmm Okay Yeah I guess that's that Let's do this one from a Joe Windlebrocks Do you think a VR film Could work

And what form do you think it would take EG if it's shown from a character's perspective What sort of shot ideas might sprout from it etc. Et cetera. Huh. I like the idea of VR for a short film.

There's a point I can't wear the fucking thing anymore. Especially like when you get over an hour or two. I think a lot of people feel that way. Yeah. You could do something with it. Like I saw like that VR, um, Dunkirk movie.

It's like a short film. Oh. Like around the time Dunkirk came out. Like, oh, this is cool. It's got a novelty. I like it better for gaming because, you can actually interact. Yeah, that's the thing where it seems like...

Move around the environment. Yeah, there's much more of a crossover with gaming because you're already kind of exploring 3D environments, whereas films are more about, you know, it's like predetermined shots that it's showing you trying to tell a story with that. It's like a whole different realm when you have the freedom to like move your head around inside of an environment.

It's almost not really film anymore. Like I'm having trouble. You could do VR with that. And still have it a fixed position, though. It's just essentially being a 3D movie at that point. I guess I'm struggling, like, what would it add outside of, you know, like compared to just a game? Like, Half-Life Alex is like a good example of it using the medium to tell a story through a video game. But I don't know, like, how a film in VR would really be enhanced.

Mm-hmm. Particularly. Mm-hmm. Right. I haven't been blown away by any VR film I've seen personally. It's like a fun novelty thing that I wear for a couple minutes with gaming. Yeah, you can actually walk around the environment and pick things up. It's much more of more fun with that than a movie, I feel.

And yeah, there's certain things you've got to get around, like cutting, like editing, like people, like, what's the subject? If you have, like, someone looking in, like, one corner the whole time, because that's, like, where the characters are. Do you even need a VR? Why not just have like, like, how we do it now? We have an angle that just captures the most important part of the scene, you know? I don't know exactly how it would benefit film from being like 360 looking around.

Yeah, I think you're right, Alex. It's like, it's almost just like a totally different thing at that point. Yeah. It basically becomes a video game. Like if you have that kind of freedom to engage with it, it's almost changing the medium entirely. Not to say the VR isn't cool. There's a YouTube video that I mentioned on another episode that I didn't remember who it was by, but I found it. It's by the YouTuber Noodle, and the title of the video is how TV screens made watching movies worse. And it's a 360 video

that you can, you know, just do on your phone or whatever. And it's a really cool, like animated fun thing. You can do it either VR headset or, you know, just a 360 thing on your phone. I like, that because it feels like it has a purpose to it existing in that way. Yeah. Watch the video. It's like a 20 minute video. It's really cool. But it's also kind of like a YouTube review essay style video, which is, yeah, it's

really interesting. And then I've also mentioned this before. Uh, fucking Alejandro Gonzalez Signari, too made a VR film at Cannes at Cannes in 2017. And I am asking out of desperation for someone to let me know how I'm able to watch this because I would like to see it at some point. Is it gone forever? Is it lost media? How do I watch it?

Let me watch it. Yeah. That reminded me of Mr. Robot short film. There's like a little canonical short film. That's a VR film about Mr. Robot or whatever. Yeah. Have you tried? You didn't know about it?

No, I didn't know about this. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. It's a great. It's a, yeah. I don't know. I think you just download it online somewhere. I forgot how.

I found this was years ago, but I really liked it. Again, it wasn't like the greatest thing ever, but I thought it was like a cool little extra piece of content for the show. Also, like there's like some animated moments in that where it kind of becomes like an Apple commercial or something like that, like, you know, the classic background, like the silhouette with the like yellow background or whatever. That stuff look cool. I think it works cool for like animation or graphics, something like that, like in VR because

you can actually like do some cool stuff with that, I feel. or almost like a kind of like a planetarium maybe something like that yeah there's untapped potential for sure it's like yeah there's potential there I just mean for like a narrative like something like serial mom or something like we watch I just feel like the potential leans way more

towards interactive media than the like static and like graphics and yeah stuff like that not so much like real people like dramas and I don't know if that entirely works in VR I think it's possible I think it's possible it's just difficult to get made because there's no way to properly distribute it, right? There's no money in it releasing

it. Like, sure. What we're talking about in terms of like these short films, like, okay, yes, you can use that to promote something else. You can use that to promote Mr. Robot. And there's been other movies where they released like a V-I think Alien Covenant had like a little VR short thing that you could do, you know, to promote the film. And so in terms of marketing, it's like, okay, that justifies its own existence because you're using it to promote something that people can buy. But I mean, what's the market for? releasing a full feature in VR, there isn't that much of it. And if there is, people don't know it yet. So, you know, it would have to be exclusively at home. And then it's like, how do you prevent

piracy sort of thing? Like, you just release it on Steam. It would, you know, how many people are going to watch it there? Are people on Steam even going to want to watch like a movie rather than, you know, playing a game? Like, so I think that it is possible. And I think that the right director can make something really impactful and purposeful and even a narrative. I'm waiting for that great thing. Just right now there's no money in it. So that's why it's not happening. Yeah.

Yeah, there seems to be more money in the gaming side of it. Like there are these VR like companies like where you just go in. It's like a business. You go in and you put on a VR headset. They have like pre-selected games and you go in. But it's all gaming. It's like gaming stuff. They're not really movies.

There's not really a market for that yet. It just seems like the most of the interest is in the, the gaming side of it. Yeah. I'm just, yeah, I'm thinking about like my eureka moments in VR, like playing Half-Life Alex. It's always from, yeah, from me being like a feeling like I'm existing in a 3D environment and like the tension or scale that I'm able to get from. Like there's a part in Half-Life Alex where it's kind of like a horror level. Oh, it's terrifying.

I, I nearly had to stop playing. Yeah, I was like, I'm not sure if I could. can actually do this. Like, I've never had that before. It makes me want to play it. Oh, you've never playing it around? You got VR too. I have it. I haven't finished. I haven't finished it. Yeah. You like stop. It's great. Dude, you have to, it, it is incredible. Like, I've never experienced that. I'll finish it. I've played a bunch of, like, horror games. I love horror games. And I've never had this experience where it's like, it, it tricks your brain in such a way. We are like, if this feels so real and I've got to like do, I've got to like multitask and do this puzzle, It's like, stressful.

It is like horror. It is so stressful. It's great. But that's like such a unique experience. Yeah. It was like such a cool. That's for me, the beauty of VR is like actually, well, the virtual reality. Like actually you are there in this reality. And like I haven't played all of that game, but I play like these like military shooter games.

And man, it's like really intense. You feel like you're getting shot at. Like in real life, it's fucking crazy. And yeah, that's like that's the appeal to me. Yeah, exactly. It's feeling like you were there. And in a movie, it's like you're just kind of. of like this ghost, like what, observing.

It's not, it's interesting. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They're calling it the awaits. And maybe it's, again, I'm not used to it. Yeah, I don't, maybe I don't see the future in it. I don't see the potential where it's like 10 years from now there will be all these leaps and whatever.

But just right now, there's like not a lot of like potential for me to like see it outside of like gaming and stuff. And even with for gaming, it's like not as huge as I feel it should be. Yeah, I feel it's a niche market. Yeah, I feel it's even niche market. Right, because it's so expensive, it's so, you need to be a very kind of like, very certain kind of person to like it. Because like I said, a lot of people I know can't even wear it for 20 minutes and they want

to take it off. So it's, yeah, some people get like nauseous. You got to get your VR legs, as my brother says. Because, yeah, when I first started playing it, like, I got these crazy headaches and, yeah, like, ice drain. And, yeah, it was like really painful for that, like, first day. But you kind of, your brain gets used to it after a little while. Yeah.

That's kind of a lot to ask, isn't it? From like an audience. Right. Whereas a movie, you just sit down on your couch and you don't have to do anything. It's so much, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay, I guess that was just a good answer. Talked at length about that.

Moving right along. James Mazarezi says, do you guys have faith in James Gunn taking over D.C.? So, yeah, this is kind of interesting. As of today, like the latest Marvel movie came out and it ain't tracking well. So I don't know if there's like a bit of a space opening up for some like creative Subiro movies under James Gunn. The Flash trailer was the most viewed theatrical trailer in for in the Super Bowl, I think. Really?

Oh, God. Yeah. For like a while for like a couple years. Yeah, of course it was the Super Bowl. The Flash movie will probably do well. That's my prediction. Yeah, I think just having that Michael Kean Batman is probably enough for some people, you know, like it's doing the whole Spider-Man, uh, uh, uh, No Way Home thing, you know, like bring him back. Beloved characters, people like and remember burying.

Uh-huh, right. More of a fun tone, doesn't seem as dower as like Black Adam or, you know, some of the Snyder cut stuff. It is really funny. I was looking on Twitter. They're like these people, Snyder fans using kind of AI software to, to make, Yeah, like, make James Gunn say these, yeah, like these deep fakes, making like James Gunn and Ben Affleck and like the Batman suit saying these things like, thank you fans of the Snyderverse, we will, you know, it's like all kinds of Snyderverse kind of bullshit like that. It's really funny. It makes me wonder if it's like a troll or something. It's quite culty, isn't it? Like it is so odd. I'm like, are these people real? I don't even like, are these like bot accounts? Yeah. And one of them is verified. Like the one tweeting out that shit of like Ben Affleck with the AI or whatever. saying stuff about the Snyder. It's like a verified Twitter account. Like a legacy account. It's fucking weird shit. But hey, there's fans for it.

That's what makes me think it's going to do well too. There's like this passionate fan base for it. Whereas Marvel, you know, I feel like especially over this past couple of years, it's kind of like, what's the word of? Like devalued. They've kind of devalued themselves. Yeah. Too many shows, too many movies.

some of them are worth watching a lot of them aren't you know I said last episode the boys that Amazon Prime show did got more viewers than any of the Marvel shows on Disney Plus and that's

quite a feat because the boys is based on you know an obscure comic book and it's not doesn't have Captain America in it or whatever and yeah they were able to compete and succeed with with Marvel in that way and yeah I'm a fan of Marvel I like Marvel movies but I agree they're

spreading themselves too thin. Too many shows and it's just too much content you got to keep up with. Yeah. Like, I like the continuity of them. Like, you watch every movie and you can keep up with the characters and, like, what they're doing.

And it adds to the universe. It makes you like them more. And there's so much content now. I can't even keep up with this fucking shit. Like, how is anyone supposed to keep up with, like, all these shows and movies?

But they were also, like, when it was earlier on, they're actually, like, characters you kind of wanted to see again, you know? Whereas it feels like,

Big boys. The big hitters are kind of gone. Like, I watched a Wakanda forever the other day and it was okay, but it was like, it was like carried by a bunch of supporting characters and it was like really feeling like it was lacking a central kind of hook character through no fault of their own, obviously, but it was like, man, yeah, what is, what is like the, what is that character that is selling merch that everyone wants to see? Like, I don't know really who that is at this point.

Yeah, you are right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, it's like those later seasons of Game of Thrones, right? Where, like, all the best characters were gone, like, Oberyn and Thailand and whatever. And now what's left is, like, these really shitty characters that are, like, really poorly written all of a sudden. You're like, Tyrion's an idiot. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

It's just like, yeah, I agree with the criticisms of Marvel recently. It's, like, they spread themselves too thin. They need to, like, dial it back a little quality over quantity. And, like, yeah. Like, I like James Gunner, like what he brings, because it's, like, his personality where the kind of homogenous gray goop that Marvel seems to, like, spit out. Like, it's... Yeah. There's no, like, character.

And they were actually going to get rid of him. Like, that's the funny of the sports. Like, he made the best, he made two of the best Marvel movies. He's the one who actually brought some personality to those freaking movies. And they're like, no, we don't like one thing you tweeted or whatever. And it's just, yeah. And then he went on to resurrect DC. it is kind of funny

how it all turned out and yeah I'm sure the Flash will do well and you know I have some faith in James Gunn I don't think he's perfect but I have faith in him and yeah it's kind of a hard situation to fix as well

because it has been so fucking mangled over the past decade with Snyder and all that it's hard to recover but you know I have some faith in him I think he can make some decent movies I'm just yeah the the fact that they didn't scrap the flash was funny to me. And now they're doing the whole like, well,

you know, because Ezra Miller is, you know, in hot water, obviously. I wonder if, so have you both seen, like,

you've both seen the trailer for the, the flash? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So the whole, I watched it, you know,

the whole Batman, Michael Keaton angle. Like, that seems like, that seems like that's the selling point, which is kind of funny. That is not even, really about the flash.

Yeah, of the Flash movie. They're like, oh, old Batman. Here, please watch the Flash. And, like, General Zod is in it? Like, Michael Shannon shows up. Oh, my God. Oh, is he? It seems kind of desperate.

Makes me wonder if that was, like, added after the controversy. That's kind of been DC's whole thing there for a while. That's because they are desperate. Yeah, desperate comics, yeah. They're definitely desperate. And they're like, yeah, with them just, like, just fucking scrap it. You didn't even release the fucking Batgirl movie. Are you that surprised though?

Like they pay for Michael Keaton. They've like... Did they... Who knows if that was added in after the fucking... Ezra Miller was beating up everyone in Hawaii? Maybe that's why Michael Keaton's in the movie. No, I think that was the whole conceit from the beginning, right? Yeah, I think so too.

Yeah. So I don't know. I think they were just kind of fucked with that one. Yeah. I'm still debating in my head over whether or not I'm actually going to see it. Maybe I'll just not see it right away and see it. how it's doing box office wise, I don't know. What, like, like, boycotted?

I don't know. I'm just, like, is it even going to be that funny to me? Like, is it going to be one of those movies where I see it ironically and then I'm just disappointed like, Mithrigan? Where I'm like, I didn't even have fun. You know? It'll probably be like Black Adam, maybe slightly better. That's my prediction.

It's quite a random director who's doing it too. I'm pretty sure it's like the director of like It and Mama. Yeah. That's a weird one. Oh, really? Yeah. So a strange choice, which kind of. makes it more interesting to me, but

I'm not like hyped for it or anything. Yeah, it's kind of a mess what's going on over there. Yeah, I like James Gunn. Yeah, yeah. Can't be much worse. I'll probably end up seeing the movie. Yeah.

So is that? Yeah. Yeah. I guess I'll probably wind up watching it. I don't know. Well, yeah, if you want to like boycott it, I get it. these people boycotting the Hogwarts legacy game. I'm like, yeah, I

get it. If you want to buy it, like people want to buy it, I'm like, okay, if you want to buy it, that's fun. I went to GameStop, I'm like, you know what, I'm not going to buy Hogwarts Legacy, I'm going to buy this SpongeBob Cosmic Shake game. And that's what I did. I bought SpongeBob Cosmic Shake on PS4. What the fuck is that? Is that a new thing?

It's from T.HQ, and it's from the guys, it's the developers of it are the guys who remastered the SpongeBob Battle for Bikini Bottom game. So it's like kind of in the vein of that. It's like a platformer SpongeBob game. It's only on PS4. It's not a PS5. It's like 40 bucks. I'm like, I'll buy that instead of Hogwarts Legacy. And it's a lot of fun. And I'm proud of myself because I said, fuck you to J.K. Rolling for being a moron. And I bought a SpongeBob game instead. So that made me feel good. Yeah, but if you want to buy Hogwarts Legacy, that's fine. I don't think it's, I think it's going to do well regardless.

already it's already done really well already yeah very good i'm sure you can't stop that harry potter yeah yeah exactly she's not the only one making money off of it so lots other people worked hard on it so good for them yeah i'm just not interested in harry potter just doesn't yeah i'm not either i think that's like i'm so sick of harry potter i just wish it would especially like i think i saw what one i saw two of those fantastic beast movies like a few years they came out and holy shit they they are like horrendous I saw that first one when it came out

I remember it being okay but I watched like half of the second one I think that's when it really goes like that was really fucking bad the one was Zoe Kravitz or whatever that one was really bad yeah yeah that was the acting I'm like is this a joke like the acting was like

horrendous in it yeah the story was too it was really really strange that one uh huh I don't even think that did well or maybe it was the third one that didn't do well yeah i was just so sick i fucking harry potter i hate what it did to like the film culture like all those like knockoffs like we wouldn't have twilight or hunger games oh yeah started the whole spitting the last one else two parts trend yeah yeah that's annoying you're all these bad spit all like golden compass like any

y a novel they just tried to make it into a freaking series of movies peter percy jackson not peter Percy Jackson You know There's like all those Fucking things Divergent Remember those They didn't even make the last one

It was like divergent Insurgent Allegent And then they just didn't even bother With the last one Oh my god Yeah like maze runner And that kind of stuff

Yeah Maze runner Yeah That's what Harry Potter did Yeah It's all Harry's fault Mm-hmm One more

Yeah Let's do one more here Let's do this one from Chico 824 just recently announced that the YouTube series the backrooms is getting adapted into a film not the first example of a YouTube project or series getting adapted but do you think this is a new trend inbound

and if so any series or projects you can think of I'm kind of more interested in just talking about this backroom's thing because apparently it was like a 17 year old yeah that makes it interesting just like I haven't seen the back rooms like I think there's some computer animation in it uh yeah I saw it.

Yeah, I went through like a bunch of the channel. Found for the cane pixels. Uh-huh. It's a few videos. Yeah. Especially considering, yeah, if it's just one person and apparently he's going to direct the movie like in his summer holidays or something. Yeah, why not?

Yeah. But he's off school. That's funny. That's cool that it's 824. That's interesting. Yeah. That's interesting. I saw back rooms.

It's good. It's cool. I mean, if we're to learn anything from the success of, skin of a rink, it's that, like, people are looking for, like, a kind of weird, good tone. Because that movie is, like, all tone. Yeah. You know? So I think people are kind of itching for, like, an aesthetic or, like, a vibe more than

anything else. And, you know, just clicking through this, the backrooms sort of thing. It does kind of offer, you know, a pretty distinct feel. So I could see it being successful. schedules are really well done. Like that short, it's... It's all about, like, exploring liminal space, isn't it? Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. A comfortable feeling that comes with it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that could be... It could be cool. Yeah, so really well done short from what I saw of it. Yeah. Cool idea.

Yeah. I think that's just like a big thing now. It's like... It's also the appeal of like the SCP foundation that kind of like... Yeah. Secretive monsters, something like that. It has a similar vein in that. It's not like a...

Yeah, it's like kind of a creepy pop. sort of thing where there's a lot of mystery to it to the short. You don't really know like the backstory. And I like that. I think that's a cool aspect to it. And yeah, I think people now, like a trend for a while was like elevated horror, almost like midsomer, that kind of thing. I think the new trend will be avant-garde horror like you're seeing with Skinnamarink and this where, yeah, people just kind of want a tone. They don't want to be bothered with the cliches of horror movies, like the jump scares or whatever kind of cliche characters that you've come accustomed to, like kind of we were talking about Megan, they want like just fucking something

really weird and out there and different and creepy. And yeah, Skinnamarink provides that and the short did. I thought the short was creepy. There's a lot of like mystery to it. I think people like not knowing. I think that's scary. Yeah. Which is, yeah, I guess the big pitfall with adapting a YouTube short into a feature is like,

that balance of like what answers are you going to deliver like how much are you going to show like some kind of big monster that's chasing you around or whatever like yeah you got to handle that with the dignity and a certain level of subtlety for it to work yeah that was dope nice yeah all right and i um stuff i think it's your turn Alex to recommend the thing yeah and I was I was torn between two, but I think I've settled on this one. I want to recommend the 1987 Bruce Robinson movie With Nail and I, a British classic that I've never seen. I think it would be an interesting discussion. Cool. That's on my watch list as well. Yeah, Richard E. Grant, Paul McCann.

Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. So the title with Nail is all. one word with nail with nail and I yeah yeah

W-T-H-N-A-I-L ampersand I and I and yeah 1987 Bruce Robinson if you don't want to be spoiled for the movie

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