Sardonicast - Sardonicast 134: 2023 Oscar Winners, Withnail & I

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

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Three, two, one. No more Google Eyes. That was a quote from now seven Oscar winning film and best picture winning film. Everything everywhere all at once. Yes. We did it. I'm Adam from your movie sex. This is Ardana cast.

Oh, yeah, I'm Ralph Seppie. Oh, that's a new one. That's a fresh one. I'm Alex. This is my radio voice. It sounded like a Kiwi accent. That's what I thought you were going on. Oh.

It's my radio voice. Your podcast voice is coming out. Oh. Yeah. I'm Ralph Seppi. Oh, okay. I hear it now. Welcome to the latest episode.

I do this now. That's my voice now. Oh. I like it. Mixing things up. This is exciting. Yeah. Hello.

Hi. Welcome. To the show. The Oscars happen. Can we just transition into it? The Oscars did in fact happen. Yeah, they happened. They were fine this year, actually.

Like, things pretty much went off without a hitch. No slap moment. Will Smith was not invited, so we were safe. I was worried he might show up. How was Jimmy Kimmel? That's the question of the dead. He was annoying. He was very annoying. He made the show longer than...

Jimmy Kimmel, annoying? He's always annoying. For real? Yeah. Very annoying. He made the show go on way longer than it should have. It took like fucking 50. minutes to get to the first award.

He just went on and on forever, but nothing. That's Jimmy's talent there, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's a very talented man who definitely should be hosting the Oscars. Speaking of talent, there were some interesting wins. I haven't seen that all quite on the Western front. That was a huge winner last night.

Like all those movies of all those movies that like got picked. I didn't expect that to win as much as it did, honestly. Yeah. It is a random one, it seems. Yeah, there's no good reason why it should have been nominated for anything but. Because it's foreign. I don't know. Cinematography and international. It's not like it wasn't like a packed year already.

But there's plenty of like good choices outside of that. Right. That's what was so weird about that in particular. Yeah. It's like fine. It's just so fine. That was kind of an upset. And, and like, Jamie Lee Curtis winning, you know, for everything all at once.

The legacy win. Which is like, that was such a weird win. Yeah, that's like a legacy win. And like, you know, the Academy's famous for those. Like, that's a good thing to bring up at them. Like, I think of like the departed and Scorsese. I love the departed actually. But like, I felt like Scorsesia should have won earlier for that.

And they just give it to like, you know, a director or star because they've had a great career not because of like the movie necessarily like the great yeah which is funny because they already have honorary Oscars for those things yeah she's great in the movie but like top like like you were saying Alex like top five of the year that's like a little bit of a stretch let alone the best I mean you know maybe I can't do it right the second but I can name like five movies that are probably like have a better support 100% including everything all at once I thought um you know, the daughter there. I thought she was better in the movie and like probably in it more.

And she didn't get shit. I mean, she got to sing. That was cool. I didn't realize that she was out. She got nominated for supporting that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I felt she should have won over Jamie Lee Curtis there. Jamie, yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that.

Yeah. What happens with the Oscars is they have these best picture nominees and then they just sprinkle those throughout all the other categories. So whereas realistically, you could give, I don't know, cinematography, you could give a nomination to like the Northman, right? But they're not going to nominate the Northman for anything. They're just going to do cinematography from the existing nominees or, you know, they're just going to pack all the acting awards from the existing nominees, you know? They just, it's usually what they do. They just, they don't credit a lot of movies in the year.

They kind of just forget. Yeah. Most of it's stuff at like the tail end of the year. Yeah. Like, they campaign for. Decision to leave could have gotten cinematography or editing or directing numbs, but... Yeah. All those foreign movies?

I didn't see any of those. You know, they could have put decision to leave in that category. That was a little... We're kind of like all over the place. We're like talking about so many different categories. But yeah, for that one, they definitely could. Let's, um... Why don't we just go through the...

Yeah. The categories in order. Yeah. I've got the list up. Do you want me to take this away? You're good with the lists. So, yeah, I got the Oscar Lisk up right here, the official one on the website, starting with actor in a leading role here, winner Brendan Frazier for the whale, which I hadn't

seen when we did the, when the list was first reviewed and our kind of reactions. But I feel like this was very much deserved. I thought it was a standout performance. Yeah, I like that. He was great at it. I thought it might have gotten to Austin Butler, but I was happy that. Yeah, that was my, you know, that was my, like, more cynical pick. He's, Alston Butler will, you know, he's got a long career ahead of him, so.

Not if he can't talk anymore. Not if he talks like, oh, he talks like how I did in the opening. Hey, oh, baby, you can't stop that. What is, what is the truth of that story? What was it? What, because he did the Elvis voice, you can't talk anymore. Is that what that is? Truth is he's an idiot.

It really just seems like, like a. Oscars campaign. Yeah, yeah, that's how it comes across. It really just seems like he was making a story for the Oscars. Sure, there's probably some truth to it, but I think it's being exaggerated. It really just seemed like one of those Oscars stories. Brennan Fraser, that was a good win. I was happy for him.

That was deserved. Kew Kwan, that was a great win. I loved his speech. Those were wonderful wins. Yeah. that was yeah that's the only clip i didn't actually watch it i've only looked through the list and yeah um but that was one of the clips i liked i actually watched it this year which is rare no no that was the next uh award anyway was kehoe kuan for everything everywhere

supporting role actor yeah really sweet um acceptance speech that's like the one thing i've seen uh from super sweet yeah he seems like a genuine like person i like yeah yeah that was awesome him and Brendan Fraser were like the underdogs and they both got the award. That was so cool. And I'm not like a big like, oh, give it to them for the statement. Like I never really do that. But that was nice just for those two specifically. Yeah, but it feels like with both these guys like the statement thing aside,

like it's still worthy of the performances they gave in the projects they're in. Yeah, that's why a lot of people avoid the Oscars and these like award shows. because it usually is like about the statement more so than like the awards. Yeah, and the circle jokes. Which is, you know, I don't, I'm not even opposed to that, but there's like other great movies. Like, I think that Daniels even said, like, everyone's great. You know, like every one of those movies that was nominated was really good. Like, top gun.

I thought that had a solid chance of winning. Like, that was like super impressive. And, you know, it didn't get much except for sound, which is a big deal. But yeah That was great movie So Well actress in a leading role Another everything

Every way win with Michelle yo Yeah Again not much more to add Just congrats I thought Kate Blanchette deserved it I really thought she was gonna get that Yeah I think I'd probably agree with you As far as just pure like performance per square inch

Yeah If we're rating the performance I would say Just impressive She deserved it Yeah Like sure She's won other Oscars before If we're talking about like who deserves the person deserving, having an award or something,

then like, I don't know. I feel like that's kind of what goes into play in terms of how they factor these things. That's definitely part of it. Yeah. I've got some autistic traits and I really wish that it was more like clinical, you know? I really wish it was just like, no, you're grading the performance. What's the point if you're not doing it that way, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, that's just the constantly annoying thing about the Oscars, just the lack of consistency of what they're even voting on. Yeah, as we'll see with some other categories. Actress in a supporting role then was another, everything everywhere. Yeah, this is what Ralph already said with Jamie Lee Curtis win here.

Definitely probably the strangest award to me. It was weird. Yeah. Having seen the whale now, Hong Chow was really good. I mean, even Angela Bassett, maybe. Angel Basset was great. I love Wakanda. I thought she had it.

But she was fantastic in that movie. Yeah, she was fucking awesome. To be honest, anyone. I would probably give it to anyone over Jamie Lee personally, if we're talking about these specific movies and this list. But yeah. Yeah, as you said, it's kind of a legacy thing probably going on here. Yeah, legacy Oscar.

Anyone surprised by the animated feature win? Not really. Finocchio win. I wasn't super shocked. I was surprising about that. Puss and Boots is better. Fucking Marcel the Shell was better. in my opinion also but

the music dragged it down yeah nothing too much to add get rid of the songs you got a better movie in Gehme yeah in a Pinocchio yeah yeah I could I could agree with you cinematography then

all quiet in the western front it's kind of the I watched it back in December this movie and that's kind of really the only thing I remember about it I mean yeah it's just kind of the atmosphere and how it looked aesthetically pleasing shots I don't really remember anything beyond it. A lot of the technical stuff at one.

Yeah. I would say Tarr and Bardo had better cinematography, but... Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Which I haven't seen Bardo yet, but Tarr. Yeah, I definitely prefer Tarr for cinematography anyway. Like, Tarr got nothing. And so did, uh...

No, yeah. Fucking, like, a lot of good stuff. Like, Trag got nothing? Banshees of Inneshaeran got nothing. Banshees, right, that got nothing. And Elvis got nothing, so it's worth it. I'm glad Elvis going I'm like,

people are like, they don't just hate Elvis. They're like happy I'm happy to see it fail. Yeah, people are happy. I just don't understand like the, like the,

the, the, wanting to see it fail. It's weird that it was nominated for like fucking six plus Oscars in the first place. I'm not shocked by that at all. Because it's a, like,

we love, like, they love movies like that. I know. They love, that's why it's kind of a big. the whole bio thing. Yeah, anything that's like,

oh, that was the thing that happened. They made a movie of it. You like Elvis? I remember that. I remember Elvis from when I was, you know, 10 or whatever. Yeah, it's old people going to see that. Oh, Fableman's.

Yeah, like that was another upset in terms of it winning anything. But I like that movie. I didn't feel that was bad. Woman talking, that was a, you know, a winner. I didn't expect so. Yeah, I didn't want to like spoil it.

The second I said it, I'm like, oh, let me not rush it. Okay, you can go back to it, Alex. Costume design then is the next one. Black Panther, Wakanda, Forever, taking that one? Yeah, that was good. Okay, I guess, I guess if you're going to give it anything, sure. The costumes were interesting in that movie. Yeah, I think the same person won for the first Black Panther also.

Hmm. Okay. Yeah, she looked familiar. like when she went up there I'm like oh I've seen I've seen her before yeah no strong feelings about costume design

yeah directing is a bit more interesting with the Daniels winning for everything everywhere actually happened they got it yeah they did it yeah I was awesome

because yeah that is a strong list of contenders there you know they're funny boys they managed to send shit they were up there a lot yeah last night It's funny the first time they went up They seemed kind of like

Not like cocky is the word But very like confident They were smiling The second time they went up They seemed like legit like shocks And like They were starting to get like kind of nervous You know

Because they were just going up there so much They were like holy shit It's like really happening I'm kind of Well I'm not a kind of I'm very happy for them You know we both They went to Emerson

And I went to Emerson So that's like a big deal for my school We're all like you know, snapping our fingers. Woo-hoo. That's whatever since students do. Snap our fingers. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what the other schools do. But we're like our own little thing. We do the finger snaps. We're like our own click. We're like mean girls. We do our own thing. So yeah, good for that. That's a really great win, both of them.

The screenplay one too, which I'm sure you'll get to. Next up's documentary feature film. one by Navalny. Fucking bullshit. So stupid. It's like, it's so boring. That was,

that was one where it was clear that the Oscars were like, oh, we're giving it to this documentary because the real guy is, like, is he captive somewhere? Missing or like, what was, anyway,

he's like a political prisoner at the very least. He's in, like, isolation in Russia. And Russia sucks. But yeah. Don't get me wrong. Like, that's,

that's an agreeable perspective. But it was, the, it was such a useless documentary. It didn't say anything. It was so boring. It's just about the statement. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

That's why those, that's why these awards shows. All the other documentaries were better movies. Right? Yeah. You'd be giving the award for it being a movie. Yeah. Everything all wants you could say, it's like, you know,

they gave it to it for the message, but it's also a really entertaining movie to as well. Yeah, it's accessible, but also weird. It's very accessible. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, on top of its diversity and those themes. Yeah, exactly. It shouldn't be that obvious that they didn't watch any of the movies. Yeah. In this category, though, shout out to Fire of Love. That's the only one I'd seen in the space. But that was... That was sick. I watched that. That was awesome. I really love that movie. Yeah. I'm glad you enjoyed it. It was great. Yeah.

You're not going to see visuals like that outside. Like, it's such a hyper-specific, like... Like seeing like lava underwater like forming these crazy natural structures and stuff like this doesn't even look real. It's so impressive to me. They get like right up to lava. It was crazy. Like how close they got. I'm like, you're going to die. Like well, but it's like crazy like the danger they were in. And it was actually very informative too, which I wasn't expecting. It is like a nature documentary of sorts mixed with the couples. drama. So, like, I learned a lot about volcanoes, like, the difference between, like, red and gray volcanoes. I was like, that's really cool. Yeah, so love that movie. Yeah. Really, really good. And the volcano guy who, like, shot all the footage for the documentary

purpose, like, he had a real art. I don't know how much, like, tinkering they did, like, in editing to give it, like, a consistent kind of visual feel, but, man, it was, like, some of the shots are, like, really impressive in that documentary, but. Oh, yeah. Short film, I guess. Dark short film, Elephant Whisperors. Didn't watch any of them. Film editing then. Everything Everywhere winning again.

It really did sweep the lot, but I'm happy for this win there. Yeah. It's kind of the one I wanted it to get, to be honest. It made sense. It did be editing in that movie. Yeah. That's one way that Elvis win would have been more frustrating, I think. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It was so it was just that one guy editing it. or I'm sure you had a team helping him but yeah it was just like one guy went up there for the editing uh international feature was uh quite on the western

why even have the category if it's like one of them's nominated for Best Picture and like eight other awards why even like we know which one's winning otherwise you like why would it be nominated for somebody other day yeah the quiet girl was better

more even yeah oh yeah It's just not that interesting of a movie overall to me. It's like fine. What'd you give it? Totally serviceable as like a war movie. Kind of like a low seven. A low seven.

Okay. Because people were saying on the separate, like, oh, when Adam and Alex talk about it, Adam wasn't very strong in it. Alex seemed to really love it. It seems like we both think it was okay. No, I didn't really love it. I just thought it was like fine. Like, I enjoyed my time watching it.

It was like an audiovisual nightmare war experience. but like it didn't yeah it wasn't really saying anything from a new kind of angle for me or blowing my mind the 1930 version was a lot better honestly yeah i'm more interested in checking that out to be honest yeah yeah i'm sure it was better it's just uh you know they love war movies if it really happens they just love it this this newest version that won all these Oscars. It really felt like a war porn, like tragedy porn sort of film. And it was stuck in this weird win awards. This weird space between wanting to be this foreign art house film with like beautiful shots and scenery while simultaneously with all of the like post-production elements like the sound

especially being like, oh, this is like a big epic movie and especially like the score too. Like and like all of the sound effects feel like I'm in a video game where it's like and like all of these weirdly modernized like you can tell it's CG fire you can tell it's CG blood and like fuck like all of the visceral nature of this real life event is just kind of being stripped away because this film is constantly reminding me that it's a movie it's like oh this is a movie but it's a big movie it's like fuck off it's so annoying It was just it was fine and there's elements that I liked about it. The acting was great.

Again, cinematography was really great. And I don't think that the musical score was like terrible. It just didn't work with the film. It felt like it was working against it. Yeah. No, I agree with you on the other. The music was quite strange. Like that weird electronic thing they kept doing.

And it won. And it won for score. Yeah. Yeah. There weren't like insanely strong score. this year. I thought that Babylon was probably the best one. Yeah, I thought so too. Babylon didn't get anything though because it got like mixed reviews.

Yeah. But that doesn't make sense to me either. Like, okay, it got mixed reviews. That doesn't mean it didn't have like the best score. Like what how does that like that does not compute? I mean like yeah, it had the best soundtrack. That doesn't mean it's a great movie. Giving score to all quiet on the Western front. That's so fucking weird to me. Yeah. Like like just because like the greatest aspect. of it like you know what I mean like the soundtrack's great that doesn't mean the movie's like the best movie the year but you can at least give it best soundtrack but like it just doesn't make

there's no consistency I mean we keep saying that there's just no consistency to like anything they do yeah yeah so I don't take it that seriously it it keeps it interesting when you're trying to guess who's gonna win yeah some of them are really predictable and then others just wind it being kind of surprising. Yeah. We'll make up and hair styling is next, and the whale took that one. Not too surprising. It was either that or Batman for me.

It's probably what my pick would be. It's a good fat suit. Looks real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'd give it that. Music, yeah, original score, as you just said, all quite in the Western front. Strange.

Personally, I'd probably choose that Sunlux, everything everywhere, score for me. Same here? But again, yeah, it's not like... that strong of a category to me. Unlike musical original song, Natu Natsu coming in. Oh, RR. Oscar winner. Yes. Good, good for that.

I wonder if they thought about like the whole aspect of the song, including the dance, considering that. Yeah? Yeah, how could you separate? The dance seemed like a big part of it. Yeah, because they were showing clips of the dance. You know, the thing they were doing with their foot. I really like the speech.

Yeah, I like the speech those guys gave. That was very, like, fun. I thought the dance choreography was better than the song. Sure. They just wanted to give something to RRR, I think. An applicatory kind of, here you go. Woo! That's fine.

Yeah, I was happy with that one. That was a win for my books, you know. Best picture then. Everything everywhere. We did it. They really did just sweep most categories here. I actually really didn't expect them to like pick that. And I'm glad they did.

I'm like relieved because I thought, you know, people were going to be fucking pissed if they didn't. But people were like ecstatic that it won. I'm very glad it won. Yeah, it's a great movie. I think it deserves it. It's a very accessible, a lot of fun. And yeah, the Daniels, they were up there a lot. The producer, what did that guy say?

It was like, people are not as important as profits or something like that. It was like clearly a flub. I didn't hear that part. Oh, you didn't? No. Oh, that was funny. He was like, oh, just remember that prophets are more important than people.

I'm sure he meant to say the opposite. That sounds funny. Yeah. So, like, James Cameron didn't show up and people were speculating it was because he didn't get nominated for best director, which is funny to me. I'm taking it personally.

Whatever. I didn't even know this. Yeah, that's fine. But his movie got an Oscar. He got a CG. Yeah, that was expected. Maybe he didn't want to take, like, credit away from the artist, if you want to give him credit. He's too busy being knee-deep in Avatar 3.

Oh, yeah. That's right. He's spending a lot of time writing the exact same script again. He's really fine-tuning how exactly the same the next movie's going to be. Yeah Well, production design was next And another win for all quite in the Western Front I mean, sure, if you're gonna give it anything

I guess production's fair enough I guess I don't know why I was nominated for so much Even then It's just so like Is this maybe like people Love or something Because you get that kind of impression from

It's a period war movie So they're like, give it awards It's a 1917 or something Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was it better? Because you guys were seeing it, right?

So was it better than 1917 or worse? Because I wasn't even huge on 1917 necessarily. I like the movie. I feel fairly similar, to be honest. It's just like, fine. It's just a solid, okay, war movie that it does what it does and then you don't really think about it again. Yeah. War movies are hard to, like, stand out.

Like, I think of Dunkirk, that's a great one or the Hurt Locker. Those are two, like, recent ones I think of, like, those really stood out to me. Those were great. Yeah. not so much like these 1917 are like it's just like how many movies are going to be is this World War II or one also it's it's World War I it's World War I it's World War I

oh yeah because it's like trench warfare but yeah okay so I guess it's like still like the same like Germans and one of it's like the same shit like you know yeah it's less gimmicky than 1917 but sure without like the single camera gimmick yeah it does sound kind of video gamey but I'll check

it out. I want to see it. Yeah, it's just way too modernized. Yeah, sure. I know people who loved it thought it was great. So I'm like, sure, I'll totally check it out. It's just so much to see, you know? Yeah, and I got caught up in my 2021 list, like, watching all those things. Not only is there so much to see, but remember that comment we got? Someone was like, oh, movies are longer now. I was like, three-hour movies. That's not an out-of-the-ordinary thing. But now I'm looking at it. It's like, there's only one movie nominated for Best Picture that was under two hours. like yeah was that the well it was women talking oh and it seems it really does seem like films are just getting longer for no reason and and my theory is that it's because films are now

being made with streaming services in mind and the more content you have on streaming services the you know the longer it's going to take for someone to run out of content the longer it's going to be that they're subscribed to the service, right? So that's why everything gets patted out into like a miniseries and everything just gets, you know, everything's got to be like three hours now. And so, yeah, I think I think you're partly right. I think it's more so like the length of things doesn't matter anymore because of streaming. So you could just make something as long as you want.

Like you can make a three hour movie who fucking cares because you're watching pieces on like Netflix. Like the Irishman is like what three? It's over three hours long, but it's on Netflix. You can just watch it in hour chunks, like a show. Like, it doesn't matter. That's why they did that. Like, I mean, it's, I like it's crazy. How first it's changed?

Yeah, I don't mind it. I remember, like, when I saw, like, the Dark Night when that came out, and it was like, that felt like weird that it was such a long, like, superhero movie. But, like, I guess it's, like short now compared to what, like, the latest Batman movie is, like, three hours easy, like, Avatar was three hours. People binge, like, whole. whole seasons of like a Netflix show. Like people watch like 10 hours of content at once.

Sorry, but like, yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you up. But like people watch 10 hours of content at once. They're like, you know, they can handle like a three hour movie. You just got to release it. You got to make it. I think we know that now. The Dark Night never dragged on. But I watched the new Black Panther.

And I'm like, this movie would be a lot more decent if they just didn't have random shit eating up the runtime out of nowhere. You know? Yeah. There's like, there's some good stuff in that movie. There's some good stuff in there. But it's just, it's so unnecessarily long for no reason. Like, absolutely no reason.

And it just seems like that's the direction things are going now. They're like, we're past the point of deleted scenes. Now just every scenes in the movie, you know? There is no, oh, this doesn't work. You just keep it. Does no one know how to edit anymore? No one have like a good editor. You got to fill up the time for the content machine.

so people stay subscribed to Disney Plus longer. Yeah. It's more content. Yeah. And long does it automatically mean bloated? Because like everything all at once is long and that movie was very tight. I felt it's not that long. It's not that long.

Yeah. Two hour 19. It doesn't feel like it. It feels like it's like under two hours, you know? It feels like 90 minutes. It's like, yeah. It flows so well. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's, it's not obligatory. But yeah, some of these movies are a bit too long. I say that with so many fucking movies. I say it's too long. Too long. Yeah. It's too long.

At this point. Yeah. Just cut it down. Cut the movie down. It would be better. There's so much stuff in there that you can just like, bloop. Yeah, there's so much shit we could get rid of from like so many movies. Yeah.

You just cut it out. Like, I could edit it. Like, all right, you don't need that. Blop. cut it out. I wish I could fan edit every movie. That's what I do in my head. Yeah.

If the process was so streamlined. We could probably, we might be like 10 years away from just getting chat GPT to edit movies for us. Just like, can you fan edit, like cut out these scenes? Yeah. Oh, that would be great. Oh, my God. People use it for like TikTok montages. Or whatever.

You'd be able to like AI put like different actors face. in different movies, you know. I want to see Man of Steel with Nicholas Cage as Superman, you know? Yeah. You just be able to do it. We won't even get new movies. They're just going to mix old movies. I mean, that's what they do now anyway.

So. Okay. I'm going to skip over the short. I'm here and go straight to sound. You're skipping over the animated shorts? Short film animated and short film live action. Well, unless you got something strong, you want to say about it. I watched the animated ones.

I do have something strong I want to say. I watched all the animated ones. But not the live action ones. No. Go for it. So short film animated was the boy, the mole, the fox, and the horse was the winner. Yeah, that was maybe the worst one. It was the second worst one for me.

Oh, really? So the entire fucking thing, it's like half an hour long. And it's just a bunch of random Hallmark quotes, where they try to string in this moral lesson, but nothing happened in the scene beforehand. They would just like, every minute is just like, oh, you know, it's not the size of who, it's a bit the size of your heart, you know? And it's like, these quotes would be fine if they were after something that justified them being there. But it really just felt like they were just forced into the fucking movie. And it was just like so annoying after a while.

Great music, great style. And I was pissed off that it won because my year of Dix was just absolutely incredible. Like, it's, it's going to make my list at the end of the year. year for sure my year of dicks what's it called my year of tics yeah my year of ticks yeah i saw that on db you can watch it on vimeo i would encourage you to check it out it's like it's so fucking good and it deserved to win it deserved to get that recognition and just like the most bullshity fight the most manipulative one one yeah okay that's really enough that that horse and fox movie whatever just one note about it i think why it won is because you guys

got to hear Elizabeth Olson to say the title. That was funny. Idris Elba plays a fox. I think that's why they, yeah. Oh, okay. But I think that's why they gave it to that. Just to hear Elizabeth Olsen to say the title because it was a funny title. Yeah.

She said like the Hound, the Fox and whatever. It would have been funnier to hear her save my ear of dicks, actually. That's true. Either would have been funny. Yeah, that deserved it. Yeah. So yeah, we kind of already mentioned it, but Top Gun Maverick won for sound. Bing.

I'm too surprising about that. Yeah, cool. Not objectionable. Good movie. Good movie. It deserves an Oscar. Yeah. Visual effects.

Anyone surprised that avatar? The way of water won that one. No, I pretty much heard that one. Yeah, it did deserve it. Yeah, it did deserve it. The only reason anybody saw the movie is the visual effects. The fucking, like, the highest grossing movie of, like, the past however many years. It's like a theme park, right?

Yeah. Yeah. That 3D, you can, like, up charge too. Yeah. Have you guys ever seen those, I think it's Corridor Digital that has this like series where they,

it's like VFX artists react to like things. They did one the other week just on Avatar, the way of the world, I watched that. Like wetter come over. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was really interesting.

Oh yeah. How like Spider was like mostly CG. Like that actor wasn't really shirtless the whole movie. Because that is something about that movie. the way it does blend the real and fake is like I've never quite seen it that proficiently done before. Usually in a movie when you see a CGI person, like a CGI double, like when Spider-Man is swinging around. That's not actually Toby McQuire. Obviously, that's like a CG model.

But it's like so fucking obvious in every movie, you know, and King Kong even and whatever. In this movie it wasn't obvious in Avatar. They just seemed like the CG models were so like. lifelike and realistic, the way they moved and the way they interacted with the environment. Yeah, it was like pretty seamless. You don't really realize like how much there is. And the way they've like modeled water. Like it's actually incredible when they show the like the systems they built just to be able to accurately reflect like water and how it like reflects off the skin and all these techniques you got to apply. Can you send me that video? Yeah, I'm not surprised.

Sure. Yeah, I'll find it. Yeah. It's really worth a watch. It was very interesting. Oh yeah makes you appreciate Like the amount of work that goes into that Because yeah I bet it's hard Super impressive Yeah Yeah because there was like a debate over

There's a close up of one of the navvy Like Oh yeah Pulling a strap I thought that was CJ Because we talked about that And yeah So it was

It was someone to paint It was it's like a mix of both It's a hands The hands are painted And I guess like some of it's like real but then there's like parts of it that are CG too like the water is CG but like yeah and all the like droplets are like painted on the skin and yeah it's just crazy yeah just watch that video it's like a hmm really interesting yeah look at the effects yeah and I guess it looks so good because they

they rendered it in CG first and then they had the the makeup artist paints at the hands you know how the light would react like it's like crazy shit Like, when they describe it, you're like, wow, that is insane. And, like, yeah, like, that show in particular was just like, wasn't it just filmed in like a kiddie pool? Like, they just got a little, like, like, it's so crazy, like, what they're able to achieve. Yeah, you get it like a dollar tree, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh.

Oh, yeah, it's incredible. So, yeah, I'm not surprised that it won for visual effects there does deserve it. As Adam said, like, that kind of is the movie. Yeah. It's just the effects. That's why you see it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that element is like insanely impressive.

So yeah, good for them. The final two then. This is the penultimate. Writing, adapted screenplay, women talking. Any strong feelings on that one? I mean, it's cool that Sarah Polly got an Oscar. I mean, I don't know. I felt like if you're adapting the source material,

there's ways that I would have preferred it would have been done. But I don't know, just probably the structure just didn't connect with me. I haven't seen it A few weird nominations In this category Like Top Gun Maverick And yeah that's a weird one In the Western Front

Like the writing of those two Are not really The biggest strengths of either In my mind But whatever Whatever Yeah Yeah

Finally is writing original screenplay Everything everywhere It's just absolutely destroyed Most categories To be honest A lot of the big The big creative ones Yeah

Good for them again. It's like crazy. Like, what do you even say? Showered in awards, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was not anticipating it to kind of sweep that way. Good. I'm glad it has.

Yeah. I mean, as far as a list is concerned, like, it's all right. This year's won compared to some of the previous we've talked about. Like, I'm not really mad about any of these, to be honest. No, it wasn't bad at all. I'm mad about a couple, but overall. There's always upsets, but yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, there's always upsets. The biggest was just Jamie Lee Curtis for me. I thought that was kind of a weird one. I like the movie, it's just her. And all quiet on the Western Front winning so much, because I didn't even see that. I didn't think that was going to win as much as it did. Otherwise, I would have seen it before the awards. That was kind of, you know, I just didn't see that coming.

Kate deserves it. But I guess that's it. Kate Blanchette, yeah, that too. I thought Michelle Yell was good, but Kate Blanchett, you know, she kind of made the movie. You know, I wish Tar got more. I mean, yeah, the fact that Tar is nominated for six Oscars is like better than I would expect for a movie that I like that much, you know? Most movies I like that much just aren't even get to get recognized at the Oscars. Yeah, I would just say Tar is a better movie and like maybe it's just cinematography.

Yeah, cinematography. That would have been a lot better of a choice. I would give cinematography to Tar. Yeah, I'm not going to like give my picks for every category, but for cinematography, definitely tar or like top gun there's not a single thing that tar was nominated for that it didn't deserve in my opinion but i wasn't expecting it i was i was kind of expecting cape planchette that's about it yeah i thought she would get it at least but i guess not she can get it eventually oh she mean she's gotten a couple yeah blue jasmine and

what's the other one? Oh yeah, that's right. She digs into fun. The Aviator. Ah, supporting, I guess. I never considered that. She already won. So that's like kind of a...

Twice. It's probably why she didn't win. If she was like a legacy, if she was a Jamie Lee Curtis, then she probably would have gotten it. Because I think it's Michelle Yo's first one. So it makes more sense for her to win. Yeah.

Yeah, again, that's like another thing Like, look at your history. Like, okay, you technically did give the best performance, but you won already, so we're going to give it to this person. Unless you're Merrill Streep, then you just keep winning. Yeah, unless you're Merrill Street. They're like, you haven't had enough Oscars. She just somehow comes out with movies like on years where there's like not much, like, at least for that category, I guess. Holy shit.

I don't know how she predicts that. I have six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, eighteen, twenty. She's been nominated twenty one times. Yeah. That's what I mean. She must have some kind of system because you don't get nominated that much. I mean, I'm sure she's really good too. She's great.

I mean, she's a really great actress. Like, I don't know. Someone's got to do it. Even if the movie she's in, yeah, don't, like, great. She usually gets nominated because she's just like her acting. Yeah, she's really, really. she's in a lot of those like Oscar Bate kind of movies and she gets nominated yeah yeah having a good agent there was not a lot of those I would say of all of them probably like woman talking is the most

Oscar Batey really I'm not even saying that's an Oscar Bate movie that's probably a good movie I haven't seen it I'm talking about movies I haven't seen I'm just saying it seems like the most Oscar Bady but like like Top Gun that's not an Oscar Bate movie or like fucking maybe Elvis is a little and all quiet is um kind of... Yoquoise to me. Yeah, sure. An Oscar...

Yeah. But a lot of them were not that way. So I'm like, I was impressed by that. Everything everywhere does not seem like a movie that, like, would win Best Picture. Like, it's like, it's got a scene where like a guy jumps on like a fucking dildo or whatever. Like, in Salarion. It's a bad plug. They had like...

Or it's a butt plug. I'm glad they had a sense of humor is my point. That wasn't like, yeah. That they gave it to this weird movie. So I'd say it's a good thing It's a big win It's a big win That's why I enjoyed seeing that live

Yeah I wasn't expecting the The directors of the Swiss Army Man To sweep the Oscars Yeah I didn't think anyone did You guys who directed the Turned Down for what music video

True Yeah That's funny Yeah That's great Yeah, it's great. It gives me more credibility, that's for sure. Emerson,

check out my multiverse movie. Ralph in the Multiverse. That's right, Ralph in the Multiverse. Check it out. Okay, so let's go into the recommended movie. It was my choice this time with the 1987 English film with Nail and I, the cult classic apparently directed by Bruce Robinson

about two out of work actors who were kind of drug addicts bumming around London got no money just kind of troublemakers it's just

a little lens into their weird life and the black comedy that follows their escapades very much like something like naked that we did in a previous episode It's just about some British guy just being quirky and having a bunch of videosyncrasies and the kind of bumbling antics that come about from this environment and the characters. It's set in the 60s, so it's a little lens, a period piece,

and part of the kind of fuzzy grime that comes with when it was made is one of the more interesting things to me. Yeah, I thought it was like a fun black comedy with a couple of things. that shows its age, but I'm still kind of torn where I stand on that side of it overall. But I did enjoy this. I had some good hearty laughs. I thought the performances were good. I like the lead too, with Nail being the kind of slightly crazier, wackier. That's the Richard E. Grant character, who's like an alcoholic and very kind of eccentric,

over-the-top, like actor type. So there's lots of like melodrama and yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was a solid fun rump for the most part. What are your guys like top level thoughts on his nail and I? This is probably definitely the first movie I saw with Richard E. Grant or like the earliest movie with him, you know? Yeah, it's definitely the earliest thing. I think it's kind of shot his career off. Uh-huh. Yeah, great acting.

Performances really stand out. Yeah, it's like got a very like loose nature to it. it's mostly just about like the you know not the plot just like their antics and yeah it's like pretty funny made me laugh consistent amount like it was pretty funny movie

like maybe it got a couple laughs out of me I guess we could go through examples but yeah what'd you think Adam I enjoyed it I thought it was very funny yeah it's the type of movie where like by the end of it I'm not left with like a huge detailed you know

list of thoughts about like yeah yeah it's somebody in my chat described it as like British dumb and dumber it's just it's kind of like that but there's like a lot more like drug use and I like that they're just like high out of their mind

and just that yeah these characters that are constantly just drunk and getting kicked out and everybody's like, you're drunk and they're like, no, we're not. Like, I like these interactions that they have with people. I love the, you know, they have a lot of, kind of like pathetic attributes. Oh, yeah. You know, like when they were, when they, when they were, I guess, being confronted by that guy at the bar,

he's like, no, what if he's going to, I think he thought he was going to get sexually assaulted by, him for like absolutely no reason because he read something on the that's right because he's walking into the bathroom and he gets called to something and then yeah yeah that's sorry ponds um then he has that little inner monologue where when he's peeing at the urinal like how he's like so scared and they got to get out there yeah yeah that's funny there's a bunch of like good jokes at the expense of the two main character that's the best humor to me is when the expenses you know at them and they're disgusting sink and they like they live in this like vile aisle flat and there's like a whole sequence dedicated to like they've got they've got no mugs to drink coffee out of so they're drinking coffee out of like a bowl with a spoon which made me love for yeah just the kind of depravity and kind of nihilism the these characters kind of sit in and they're like they're so like melodramatic and over the top like driving around london and just like commenting on little things that are like getting under the skin and like oh wo is me like yeah it's all like very flamboy

Yeah, the top and silly. Very eccentric and theatrical. Uh-huh. Yeah, they were very funny. Natural performances. The drug dealer character was very funny. Richard E. Grant thought he could get higher than him, but that, that, the drug dealer character was like the ultimate, like, he got the most high out of anybody.

He had very funny lines. Do either of you have shoes? Like, as he was leaving. Like, you're like, not like, where can I put my shoes or, you know, like, He doesn't even have shoes. Yeah, it's very funny. I noticed in one scene they were playing music. It's like he's just walking down the street or something.

It sounds like the Rocky theme. Did you guys notice that? It sounded like the Rocky theme. Really? What point of the movie? What point of the movie? It's like toward the middle. He's just like, it's just a scene of him walking down the street.

I think it's Richard E. Grant. And it's just like the music. It's not like exactly it. it kind of sounds like they used it as like comparable or something I'm not saying they did I'm not accusing this movie yeah it was just saying it was like it was off for it because I was watching it like this sounds like the Rocky theme oh that was kind of odd

didn't know if that was intentionally funny or not but you know aside from that yeah it's just like what we're saying the solid like comedic performances they were very like animated with their gestures and their expressions and they're very funny characters It's a very British movie too, like all the, like all the accents, yeah, like when they go on that cafe there and the, excuse me, you need to leave right this moment, I will call the police. It's like a very fucking British scene. Yeah, but like I just, I like that about that movie.

I like a movie that utilizes its setting well and it did. It definitely had a character, the setting. And, yeah, I thought it was a good movie. I liked how it jumped from the city. setting to the countryside rural thing too. We've covered films in the past that kind of deal with that kind of stuff with much more kind of, more dramatic, serious intent, like a Tokyo story or something like that. But I always like that as kind of like a theme or a way to draw humor out, like, you know, and hot fuzz. That's kind of another example of that divide.

It was like a city guy going to the small town and the humor you get from the locals and the crazy trapper guy. who's got like an eel in his trousers and all this kind of wacky stuff. But even in describing it, I feel like if someone who hadn't seen the film and heard the way we're talking about it, it might sound more like an over-the-top, dumb and dumber type comedy. But it doesn't really read like that. It's kind of, yeah, it's way more dry and kind of underplayed. And a lot of the humor is just from like the delivery slash dialogue, just the way they describe things. like Richard E. Grant describing that drug dealer character as like just saying his mechanisms are gone.

Just weird little funny ways of like referring to things. I like that. There's a tea bag growing in the sink. And yeah, it's got lots of, yeah, idiosyncrasies of the way I describe it. Like it's all just very quirky and extremely, extremely British. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A good, yeah.

A well-rounded view of that. Lots of good British actors in there, like Harry Potter's, like, stepdad or whatever from, right? Richard Griffiths. Yeah, yeah, Richard Griffiths. Yeah, he was very funny in this. And yeah, super British character. Yeah, but that was great. I thought he was great in the movie.

Yeah, a super good performance. And, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's like I don't have much more to say aside from, yep, I thought it was funny, love of acting, you know. It's not much, like, there's not much of a, like, a plot, you know? Not really. No. No. It's more just like, like, comedic vignette.

It's kind of like just strung together. Yeah. Yeah. Depends. It's, it fits the characters anyway. It's the story about, yeah, these two just kind of losers. Yeah, like, what, what makes it like separated from dumb and dumber is like that Britishness and that, like, I don't know, that kind of class.

It's weird to say class and talking about these characters. you know, it's not like, it's not so Americanized, dumb humor. There is like that snarkiness, that cynicism, that darkness that is like kind of lighting. It's like very British and like, it's a part of British comedy, you know. The dialogue. It's part of its like identity. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. And yeah, it's more like about that more so than like, you know, look how dumb they are. They do dumb things. Oh, it is kind of about that. They're more just like, they're doing dumb things because they're drunk. It's not because they're dumb necessarily. It's because they're fucking like, they're blazed. Yeah.

They seem like normal people like if they weren't like high out of their minds. But, you know, like if they, if you locked them in a room for a couple weeks, they'd be okay. But yeah, that's not how the dumb and dumber guys are. Yeah. It's just like an interesting comparison. Yeah, because I didn't really think of that. You know? Yeah, I know it's already like a meme that like British people have like awful food, right? Yeah, oh yeah

Beans on toasts. What did you think of the kind of stuff they're eating like the the Savaloy sausage with the chips and stuff? You know that bright pink sausage. Yeah. The like chicken that they've got to like do that's quite a funny scene where they've like kill a chicken and prepare it and they like try and like squish it into a pot to boil it. That's just how it is there, huh? Yeah, this is this day, man. It's exactly the same. Every day.

It's a struggle. The vegetables didn't look too bad. Savaloi sausages and wet chips. The vegetables, yeah. That's pretty much the only thing you need there. Like potatoes instead? I'm kidding, but yeah. Do you guys eat much savaloi over there?

I don't even know what that is. What's Savaloy? Yeah. It's fucking disgusting. It's like pig brain sausages. It's like bright pink. It's like red almost. Yeah, that's hardcore.

I could, I could try it. It's not like regular sausages are made out of anything super appetizing, you know? It's all just like the expendable. But like you can get like a nice like sausage, you know, whereas I don't know if you can get a nice sabaloy. I don't know. I don't know about that one. Yeah, I don't know where to get that. Discount sausage.

It's just like intentionally bad sausage. Yeah, basically. It seems like something you'd feed like your dog, you know. Yeah. The Wikipedia page for it does not have the most appetizing looking picture. That's like one of the... Now I have to look it up. I'll send you.

Oh, you're looking at Savalore. Yeah. I'm like, why would you choose that picture for it? Oh, geez. Yeah, that makes it look even rough. Why is there like... Why is there a tongue? depressor in the middle of it.

Yeah. I was getting, like, a popsicle stick. Why did it get stabbed with a tongue depressor? And it's on top of like fries and gravy? Oh, that's a fork. That's like a fork you'd get in a chip shop.

What? Yeah. Yeah. That's just what they do. Yeah. Yeah, they use tongue depressors as forks. That's like, that's the most disgusting looking thing of everything.

Yeah, I've never really been big on the whole chip. shop thing but man people here obsessed with that like just the like carbby goo everything's beige that's funny beige or pink yeah yeah so it captured that pretty well what's wrong with just a hot dog or it's like just like a normal sausage like what is that i'm with you on that like a yeah it's disturbing we're disturbed yeah clearly um it's something wrong but you that's kind of captured like i've always been drawn to when I've seen this on IMDB the poster for this movie where it's kind of like the dartboard. It's got that like cool illustration. Yeah. That's all like messy and all over the place and that's kind of what the movie is too.

Yeah. Uh-huh. But yeah, in kind of the best of ways, though, like I wasn't really bored with it despite that one hour 47 runtime. There were points here and there where I guess it was kind of dragging a bit. It was more so the going back. to the most of the humor the humor I liked coming from kind of like being at the expense of the main characters but this is this whole segment where there's this like ongoing joke with um with nails like uncle who's like this uh he's a gay man and there's this whole like it like turns into him how does he describe but i noted it down exactly what he says to um the doctor who guy the uh paul mcann says i mean to have you even if you

if it might be burglary and he has him like corded in this room and it's like like who's the humor at the expense of right now you know like is this is this just like written to be funny just because it's like a rape a gay guy and it's the 60s and it's like yeah yeah this is you know like the homophobia of like oh don't tie your laces type thing yeah people are predators so you know yeah because there are a few gags like that throughout the movie like it opens on the main character looking at like a newspaper and there's like some sex change joke in there and stuff like that. But I was reading some parts of it were like very loosely based on the director and writer

Bruce Robinson's life. One interesting thing about him is that he was in that recently controversial. Well, it might have always been controversial, but it's been in discussions recently, this Roman Juliet movie from 68, the, how do you say his name, Francozifree, but yeah this controversial Romeo and Juliet movie from the 60s he was in where apparently the director was like

pushy sexually kind of like this character in this movie so maybe that's what he more based on or I don't know interesting okay yeah kind of take I guess taking that and trying to turn it into more of a

comedic thing but that wasn't particularly funny for me but I suppose that's the black part of the black comedy Yeah, yeah, it's a black comedy I mean, it's about drug addicts, drug use It's not like a light, you know, subject matter Yeah Yeah, and like it is consistently funny to me

Enough to go to war and like I'd watch this again Like I'd happen to sit down and watch this Same It's not my favorite comedy And I do like trussing it to something like a naked that we did back in the day. Got a bit more philosophical. It was a bit more of a drama.

That's kind of more at my alley. But I do get why this is one of those kind of cult, quotable British movies that especially for the 80s would have been probably quite unique. Yeah, it did well in Britain and didn't really escape. But my understanding is didn't really cross. Yeah, because how could it really? Like, so much of it is just rooted in where it is.

and how they're talking. Yeah, it's more so if you find that... Sociopolitics of what's going on, you know, like charming. When they're talking about signing on to the doll, signing on and all this, and that's a bit like a big thing, like in British culture, like the... Oh. Back in the day more so, like, yeah, like, especially in like the 80s and the 70s. Like, I remember my parents talking about it, like, when they left school, like, signing on

just for like a few months so you can get your... free money from the government whatever and they kind of talk about it because they're actors and they've got their like unemployed so they're doing everything in their power to try and pay their way and trick people and go to my uncle's farm in the in the rurals through like lies that with now tells him yeah they're kind of like bad people like um but that's also like the appeal yeah i mean they're they're like unlikeable basically protagonists yeah yeah yeah So it is that like balance. Yeah.

And there's that too. Yeah. It's not like, you know, dumb and dumber you can laugh at because they're like ignorant. It's like how, yeah, like bore at. He's like ignorant. These guys are like, they're just like, they're just dicks. They're just kind of assholes. But there is something funny about that too.

To me that's like British comedy. It's very like dry and very dark. Dry and self-deprecating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Like, even just, like, the look of this movie, I don't know, it could, like, makes me, like, uncomfortable, like, you know, like, it's like, it's very, like, dingy and

dirty looking, um, really great. And these, like, claustrophobic, like, rooms with, like, just shit everywhere, like, dusty, spider web in case pictures. I think on our Reddit, someone pointed out, like, the production design. I'm like, yeah, that, that is something, like, I was looking at because of that comment. And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's, like, very. like dirty looking movie. I think that's intentional.

Lots of character in the production design. Yeah. Yeah. That's a huge part of it. Because like a lot of comedies you see, they don't put effort into those elements. And this one did. And, you know, like a serial mom we talked about before that did as well. And I like when a comedy does that. It doesn't do things the easy way.

It does things the more challenging route and it's more creative. and yeah this was like pretty creative how it was presented I thought it looked good so yeah and there is just some like funny clever dialogue especially um yeah whether it be like the here hair here thing where the trapper leaves the hair on the door and it's like all they say yeah there's like a bunch of lines

I didn't write all of them down but yeah there's like really like a few points I got like good laughs out of it. So yeah. And that's hard. That's fucking hard to get a laugh out of me for a movie. So and what I'm like by myself especially. So yeah, good on the movie. I mean, it is pretty funny.

We've got to leave in 30 minutes. 30 minutes. I need at least an hour for lunch. And it just cuts to him eating in the passenger seat as they're driving through like the storm. Just like completely unsafe conditions. He's drinking wine. Yeah.

That's fun. There's a lot of smoking. Uh-huh. Oh, everyone was chain smoking, yeah. Yeah, it was giving me flashbacks to, like, growing up in the 90s and being in, like, pubs and having to be around, like, it was smoking areas by then, I think, but, like, it just bled into, like, everywhere. Like, you can escape it. Yeah. But that just helps with the mood, too.

It's just, like, the smoke filling every room you could imagine, you can, like, imagine the smell of, like, where they are. So it's kind of a nice text. texture to it. Yeah, yeah. All right. I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's not like such a meaty film that there's a lot to talk about. So you can.

No, yeah, I don't know what like layers of subtext or anything there are going on here. It's more just, yeah, just. I'm sure there is. I'm sure there's some subtext going on. It's my first viewing of it. Yeah, I would watch it again. Like you're saying, it's a little too long. like I would have preferred something a little shorter

like not not by a lot but yeah it's like the it's just because it has no plot too it feels like it goes on for a while that's why yeah like pacing is important but yeah it's just not that kind of movie

ultimately it's like yeah like a series of vignettes with these characters and yeah if you find that funny if you find like the dry British humor like funny because I do I find that kind of humor funny. It's just more like as an outsider like appreciating like the culture and like the differences. But like it's not like I don't know. I just saw like I don't know what I'm saying.

I don't know what I was saying. I enjoyed the movie just fine. Do we want to give ratings? Seven out of ten. Yeah. Yeah. I'd give it an eight. Yeah. I'm right there with the seven out of ten, probably high seven. Okay. It's got enough like memorable moments enough. good jokes that like now that we're talking about and think about more like the rubbing deep heat all over themselves to like stay warm and stuff like that that's like funny and stupid and ridiculous drinking lighter fluid and stuff like that yeah it is a dumb kind of not quite dumb and dumber level comedy but uh I get the comparisons like that is a funny yeah it's kind of broke my brain a little bit thinking about it as the British version of that

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I get it. It's charming. It's weird. I like those two main performances. Yeah, it was kind of cute and fun. Yeah. Okay, I guess that's that.

We did it. Okay, let's move into some questions from the Sardana cast community. Head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit and ask us any question you feel like for future episodes. Just like Mountain Peak, 4-6-7 did, who says, Since you guys talked about the Danny DeVito masterpiece, Death to Smoochie, I was wondering if you guys have watched It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Yeah. I don't know why I said it like that.

And what your thoughts on the show are. I personally think this is one of the most consistently funny shows, especially for being 15 seasons long. Yeah, I don't think we ever mentioned Always Sunny on here, but I'm a big fan. I'm a few seasons behind now, but I've always enjoyed it. I'm a big fan. Consistent. Yeah.

It's very funny. Yeah. I don't know if I've watched a full episode, but I've liked what I've seen. I know, right? I've seen a couple. Yeah, it's something I've been meaning to get into. That surprises me with like all the comedy you like, yeah.

Quite a few episodes. Yeah. Some good ones. You can start with, is Mac and Charlie Die? I think it's called. Spoilers. Well, that's the name of the episode. Charity, Mac Dennis.

That one's a good one. That's the name of the game. Charity Mac Dennis. God, there's so many good ones. The water park one. The gang goes to the water park. The gang finds a serial killer. God, there's just like so many.

Yeah, there's so many great ones, you know. Yeah, the gun episode's a good one. Yeah. So many great moments. I'm the trash man. And then I start eating garbage. Yeah, there's like, wondering what, is it on a streaming service or what? Or is it one of those things where I actually have to find it.

I was shown on Netflix originally, but I'm in the UK, so it's all messed up. I think it's on Hulu. I think it's on Hulu now. Ew. O. Race. Yeah. Hulu is disgusting.

Yeah. I don't know what Hulu did, but. Yeah, they think they have. I find it difficult to go to episodes from pre-Dani DeVito. Like, he does elevate it to me. dynamic being there. Yeah. Oh yeah.

That does elevate the show. He comes in, I think, season two, right? Yeah, it's first seasons without him. It's like season two or something. Yeah, this, it's early on. It's just the other characters. It starts out way more normal. Like, the characters are actually kind of like normal people at the beginning.

And then they get fucking, like, nuts as, like, time goes on. They get more and more ridiculous. And just like the characters they beat along the way, too, that fucking priest guy. Yeah, there's a pretty good-carrying ones. Yeah, like the priest guy who ends up becoming like a crackhead. He's like missing half his face and it got burnt on. Cricket, yeah. That's funny.

Like characters they meet like that, like the waitress. Yeah. The girl was in the Tomorrow War. I forgot her name. Like, yeah, proper good satire. Like real satire. Yeah. All the characters are dicks, but they're funny.

And it has something to say. And what we were just saying, what I was just saying, about with Nail and I, with like the, all the jokes being at the expense of the characters, that tends to be what it is. Like, the main characters are all, like, assholes, and that's, like, what's funny. Yeah. Kind of, like, laughing at them and the silly, ridiculous antics they get up to. Mm-hmm.

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I found out that it's on Disney Plus. Looking, season one, episode one, it's called The Gang Gets Racist. Hmm. Oh yeah, I think it has a couple of episodes that have been taken away. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. On the one with, um, they do like a blackface episode. The lethal weapon one. It's actually a really funny episode. Yeah, that is a funny episode. Yeah, that's a shame.

So it's unfortunate it was taken away. But it's the same with a community. I think had a similar thing where like there's some gag like that that was making fun of the concept. Season 6, episode 9. Let's see if that's there. Um, no, it's missing. Yeah, she can list it. It's not on Disney.

Lame. Yeah. Very lame. Is it really on Disney. It's really on Disney Plus? Yeah. That's fucking bizarre. At least for me in Canada.

I guess it's Hulu. Oh yeah. Maybe because it's Canada. I think it's on Hulu for me. It's just Hulu. Hulu is owned by Disney anyway. Yeah, exactly. That makes sense.

Just fucking make it one service. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, you make me pay. It would be two services. Well, not you. They are. Wait, so they're both owned by Disney, but it's two separate subscription. Yeah, because I think, I think Disney bought it at some point.

Yeah, right, just like fucking combine it. We don't have Hulu here. That's bizarre. There's like no good reason for it. I think you can get them packaged. Yeah, you can get them like packaged together, but still you're paying extra for something that, you know, they own. Yeah, they're assholes. Yeah, how weird.

assholes okay is that I'm looking forward to the question yeah whiskey food asks this how often do you buy new equipment for your work new equipment

it's the last bit of equipment you bought all the fucking time I'm constantly buying more equipment because I remember when you were over Alex we used like a different we only had three of the KSM 32 microphones and then we had to borrow a microphone from my roommate and it just didn't

sound good. But they're so expensive. So then like finally for the Oscar stream because we had four people like caved and bought like another microphone. And then I just changed my desk. Yeah, there's that up quick. Because I, in my Atlanta set up, I have a sit-to-stand desk. And then, you know, I was there for like three months and then coming back to Vancouver, I'm like, I don't know if I can go back to just sitting, you know. Like, I've got. gotten healthier, why would I, you know, make, why would I reverse that lifestyle choice? So I had to change my desk here and got like the microphone arm and everything and just a lot of fucking setup and assembly and just reorganizing shit.

Yeah. Yeah, this stuff is expensive. I don't think people realize the equipment. Yeah. Yeah, that's look quick. Especially if you got like, if you need more than one mic, you know? I think I've got four of these guys lying around. Uh-huh.

Yeah, I have two. I have two. And you need like a certain kind of audio interface. Yeah, for that as well. But yeah, over the course of this podcast, I think I've had like a few different microphones. I've probably spent hundreds of dollars on just microphones for this podcast and like interfaces and shit like that.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm constantly buying new equipment. But you need to stay updated. Yeah. Just, yeah, there's always stuff to be able to upgrade. Then there's shit that just works and you don't need to upgrade at all. Like my computer, my PC I built in college, I haven't had to update it at all. I think it works great.

Yeah, I don't think it needs updating. So that's a good thing because that shit's expensive. Yeah. So, you know, it's just something so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah. With my PC, I tried to like limit it to every like five years. I'll just like buy whatever the best stuff available is. And then I'll just.

Yeah. use that until it starts to they normally last years and years and years as far as PCs. This one, I'm trying to think how old it is. It's about, I don't know, wait, sorry. Maybe seven years old, six, seven years old. So it's about time for like an upgrade.

Nice, yeah, yeah. Maybe I'll wait closer to like a decade. What do you do on the computer? Do you like edit on it? I edit on it, yeah. I made it for edit. editing, but like it's such a good, like all this stuff for it. It's like such a good computer for editing that I use it for games too. I didn't build it for that, but it's like, you know,

maybe I built it a little bit for that, like honestly, but it works great for editing and it works great for gaming, but maybe at some point it won't, you know, maybe at some point it'll the things update so often, these apps, you know, they update every year. It'll, it'll go out of date. I need to update my computer again. But I don't know. Right now it works great. Great. So I haven't had to touch that at all. My camera I've been using for years, that's fine. You know, it's not like some shitty camera. Like, that's the thing.

If you, like, put an investment into something, like, get something really good, you can use it for a long time. And it's better to do that than it gets some shitty piece of equipment that you use for, like, I don't know, a couple months to fucking throw it out because it sucks. I've had, you know, from my own experience, I know that, you know. So I'm just warning people. you know, if you need to spend more money, it's fine. Always get the better equipment.

Always get like the better microphone, the better camera. Like, I'd say that's good advice because it'll last you longer. Future proof it. Yeah. And it's hard to future proof something, but you're getting more out of your investment there. I know it seems like you're getting more investment out of something cheaper, but if it's a piece of shit, then you're not. Yeah. Because you don't use it.

Yeah. If you've got to replace it four times and you're might. might as well as good a better thing to begin with yeah because i've gotten shitty keyboards shitty laptop there's people in my life that always go for like the cheapest shit and it always just breaks on them and they always just get something that like they're unhappy with it's like well yeah yeah yeah i don't especially these important things like keyboards and mouses like you need a good mouse if you get a good like again my mouse i've been using for fucking probably six years this mouse i haven't had to change it it's perfect i mean

Like, if you invest in something, like, good equipment, you don't need to change it. Yeah, if you can afford it, get the quality version. Uh-huh, absolutely. Yeah, don't get, like, the knockoff made in China. Shit. Yeah. Do you use the stand desk now, then, Adam? Yes.

The stand. Oh, you use that. Yeah, I got one of these. The, like, mechanism when you press the button. Yeah. Like, yeah, there's a... This is a mechanism? Yeah, it's a mechanism?

Yeah, it's, uh, it's, uh, lifts your deaths up and down. Oh, I see. So you can sit sometimes and stand sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I've never done the whole, like, editing, standing up thing.

It's, I mean, it's just, it's relieving to be able to sit and stand. Because sitting for way too long just fucks you out. Yeah. Like, it's, yeah. It's the new smoking. Yeah, you've got to protect your back, man. Yeah, you usually just take a break and like go take a walk. It's not even just protecting your back.

It's like protecting your cardiovascular system. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the blood in your legs and everything. Yeah. I was looking at those little, um, you can get those little like exercise bikes that you can put under your desk than if those are any good. Oh. Probably not. Yeah, I guess you could do that.

Go on an exercise bike while you can go on the treadmill. Yeah, it's better to just... stand for a lot of the stuff I did the whole Oscar stream standing Oh really? Yeah, oh really? Cool. Like editing it or during the stream?

Just during the watch party. Oh, okay. Well, I guess to live stream, there is no editing. Yeah. All right. I guess that's that one. All right. Lazy Bones Incorporated says this.

Do you think that movie stars are no longer valuable? There have been several non-franchise films in recent memory like Babylon and Amsterdam with big name actors that have bombed spectacularly at the box office with franchise, while franchise films continue to dominate the marketplace regardless of critical reception. I can't remember if I mentioned this on this podcast or not, but a few months back I did watch this. It was like an interview of Quentin Tarantino where you kind of touched on this subject. He was talking about this very thing, this idea of like movie stars kind of meaning less now and people were like, they're more interested to show up to see Batman than they

are like the movie star who's even playing them. Which I think it's interesting. It does seem to be a bit of a trend going on where it's like more about the franchise and the IP than like even the movie stars. Yeah. Well, that's what Anthony Mackey was saying too, like a lot of these superhero roles. They see as Captain America. So they have a hard time like getting roles after. Even though they're in such high profile stuff, it's hard to like get out of that. stigma. And I think a lot of actors have that too when they play a big character. Like the guy I played Harry Potter, the guy who like, I mean, Daniel Radcliffe's doing fine. Ronald Weasley. Yeah, even him. They just have hard time like getting out of their, you know, that one role.

Toby McGuire, Spider-Man. They just have a hard time. Didn't Channing Tatum have trouble after those G.I.J. movies. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Exactly. It's hard to get yourself out of that. George Costanza. In some ways, I think he's right. Some ways, you know, movie stars are still, like, relevant. Obviously, we have Chris Pratt. He is a huge star. He's in tons of stuff.

I see him in things all the time. So, I'd say he's a movie star, Tom Cruise. But, yeah, it's more rare. I would agree with that. And it's different now, too. It does feel rare. It does feel rare, even. Mm-hmm.

It's super rare. And there are, like, these franchises, too, that just kind of dominate the market. Yeah, I feel like it's kind of a new thing too, these franchises, this like, at least like this, this like over saturation of them. I feel like really in the past like 20 years, like after 2000 or so, like, like, Lord of the Rings and Marvel and all that shit. Like that's, that's really when it started like for me. I guess you could go all the way back to like Star Wars and like the 70s, but like for me anyway, like, it's just such like a fluctuation of franchises like in the past 20 years. It's over taken, like the movie stars because it's so big.

Like, Marvel's so big. How can, like, one person, like, even compete? Like, are you seeing Ant Man for Paul Rudd? Or are you seeing Ant Man for the character? Or are you seeing it because it's attached to the other characters? Yeah. I mean, I don't even, I'm not even quite sure anymore exactly. I'm sure it's a mix of, like, all three.

Yeah, who cares about Ant Man? Yeah, I mean, on the surface, yeah, absolutely. Because it was in the MCN. Yeah, if you told me 20 years ago, like, they're going to make an Ant Man movie. I'd be like, are you crazy? Like, that's going to be terrible. It's going to be a third Ant Man movie. Yeah.

They made a trilogy out of them. Yeah, with Paul Rudd. And it's like, wow. But, you know, it's that power of the franchise. It's being connected to something valuable. Yeah. And I think he's right. I think a lot of them are just seen as like, like, Bree Larson, she's just like Captain

Marvel. Like, Hollywood is. Hollywood doesn't like value her like as an actress at all even though she's won an Oscar which is crazy but yeah that's just like how it is it's like they don't they don't give a shit like it doesn't matter how much you prove yourself they just like treat you like like total shit basically and I guess has the whole kind of theme park aspect to it like as as the decades have gone on and technology is kind of advanced and certain excess slash

scale is like more and more expected from you know these big movies so they just become big technology fest where it is just like explosions and like none of it's really real so everyone's expectations are just like I guess we're just going to see the new basically fully animated Marvel movie and the like slow boring talkie movies

like I guess fall to the wayside and it's about something else it's like becoming about other things more vapid things some might so. Yeah. Maybe it's always been this way to some extent. It does seem like kind of a new trend. Yeah.

It changes. Yeah. Because like when like what, the rock, like you couldn't save Black Adam, you know? Yeah, that's fine. That's what they were backing on with that. And also, like, nobody wanted to see the character anyway. Yeah, but no one wanted to see, like, the Eternals or like, you know, like these fucking shitty characters. characters they make, but they do it, they make it work, I guess, because it's connected to that

franchise, that Marvel power that, like, DC just doesn't have, you know? Like, that brand just sucked. I wonder if there were people who didn't see the movie just because it said DC, like, because they're like, oh, this could be terrible, which is, like, the opposite of Marvel. You can see, like, um, not to spoil this, um, and I won't say what it is, but the latest marketing for this newer Shazam movie that's coming out has this kind of like scrambling push in the latest like round of ads that is like featuring like a cameo character. Oh no. It seems to be like, please come and see this movie.

I didn't see that. Look who's in it. Yeah. No, I saw that kind of being shared and I watched that. I know that they're doing that with the flash. Yeah. But that's kind of more expected with the whole like, it's doing another multiverse crossover of it.

Yeah. The multiverse thing. Yeah, I don't know. Starting the rewrites. I won't see superheroes. We're redoing this universe. I kind of did that with X-in at one point. Yeah, that would be an interesting one.

Oh, yeah. They rebooted it with like a new cast. They like went back and there was like an alternate timeline. Yeah, it got a little convoluted. And then it got even worse, didn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh. Worst that I'd ever been. Yeah. Yikes. Well, I suppose that kind of almost directly feeds into this one from widow of Brid, who asks, Do you think art is suffering under capitalism? Making art with a profit incentive seems antithetical to freedom of expression and more in line with pandering and less variation in stories and styles. Of course, there's still a wide variety of amazing movies coming out across the world, but there would be more variety in a system less reliant on financial gain.

What would a system like that even look like? Yeah. Like, yes and no. Like, everything affects making movies. But yeah, I think capitalism affects it negatively. Although, you know, Top Gun Maverick, I feel like that's a movie that, like, I feel like a lot of movies wouldn't exist without capitalism, you know, at this point. Yeah, I mean, I guess the technology to even make it is all, I guess, created under capitalism. Yeah.

Like, capitalism, yeah, it presents to challenges because you're like, you need money. to make a movie. You don't have enough. You need like studio, studio money, but to that, you need to compromise. And it was like a whole other set of challenges, but that's just like real life, you know, like that's just real, like, what is in my brain when I want to make a movie, I want to translate it to the screen. I want to put my vision on the screen. That's like almost impossible to get like exactly what's in your brain on the screen. So I'd say like that's an obstacle too. And put like capitalism yeah it's like another I guess obstacle just like another one that you got to like overcome because yeah you need you need finances to make a film that you just you just need

a ridiculous amount of money to make a film and you just can't get around that and that's what sucks that's what really because if you have tons of money you can do whatever the fuck you want you can make like avatar but you need tons of money to do that and that's like the tradeoff I guess. I don't know if you can make movies, you know, without the system we have right now or, you know, this system like with the capitalism ingrained into it so much. I don't think you can change it. Yeah, it's kind of in the DNA. Yeah. It's in the DNA of movies now, you know, it's part of cinema history. Movies are made for a profit. Yeah, I just don't know what the alternative is. Yeah, I don't either, you know, like, you need to pay people for their work.

That's just the way things are now. And yeah, you need to make money to live. So, yeah, like, just that would compromise your art, like, right there, you know, like, oh, I need to make money. I need to make a certain kind of movie to make, to appeal to people. Like, I like movies that appeal to people, but I also like movies that are, like, challenging or, and we champion movies like that that are challenging, that are like against the grain, that might not make a lot of money, but they're good movies or they're like, they're interesting visions, but they don't make money. And so therefore they're not seen as like valuable or interesting. Yeah, trying to actually envision what that system would look like without it, I find difficult to imagine. Yeah, but it's also like, I don't know, I don't feel like it's not dire to the point where there is no good movies, you know? It's not like we are dying for new, good, creative, fun movies.

Like, we just did the Oscar list where everything everywhere, like a scrappy, like, a bunch of self-taught, like, visual effects. Like, that just won, like, the biggest award show for movies of the year. So it's not like you can't find these things, but I guess it more just affects, like, yeah, big Hollywood schlock stuff is just, you know, There's a trend of it getting less and less risky with less original properties because, yeah, these budgets are so insanely bloated and expensive. Like, as far as an investment's concerned, like, I guess it makes sense why they're as kind of scared and want the safest, easiest thing to market and package up nice and clean. Yeah. It's not even necessarily, like, just capitalism in of itself. causing these issues. It's just that the people who have the money are the least talented.

You know, like, the artists aren't the ones making the financial decisions. Like, that's part of the problem. And you can say that that's like an inevitable byproduct of capitalism and, you know, the way that systems are set up is that, you know, the people with the most money are going to be the ones that are detached from the art. You can make that argument. But I still feel like, you could, you could have things set up in a bit more. sensible of a way and still have capitalism and still get rid of a lot of the issues that we have in terms of... Yeah, exactly.

A lack of creativity and risk-taking and... Great art doesn't always make, like, lots of money, and that's why, like, the greatest artists don't have tons of money to make the visions they want to make or the movies they want to make all of the time, and that's what's so frustrating. That's what's so frustrating about making movies, you know? It's like trying to find that balance. You do kind of have to compromise creatively, because... Because at the end of the day, you need these resources to like, and it is a job for so many people too.

Like they want to stay, you know, fed and employed. Yeah, they're extremely resource intense projects, not just like the sheer material you need. And if we're talking like 80s and you need a film or just all the technology or the props. But then the time as well. People and time costs and paying all the people, like hundreds and hundreds of people. teams and yeah it's the scale of it like it's just like a inevitability like it requires so much resource yeah so many people on a set that like do nothing like they're like you know not do nothing but they're like caterers or COVID PAs shit like that shit that like has nothing to do

with the actual production of a movie that are nothing to do with holding a camera but you need to pay these people anyway. That's just what I mean. It's so expensive because real life just the cracks of real life just shine through. You need to compromise with just resources and time and these things. And like, it's about what you do with it, I think. It's about what you do within the system that makes it special, makes your work special. Like, how do you take the rules and bend them to make something good, to make actual, like, art. And if you do that, I think it's a success. Yeah. And that's really all I could say about that. Yeah, interesting to think about. Yeah, it is.

Logical Professor 325 is this one for us. Do you guys have any hope for Indiana Jones 5? I'm excited as a fan, but I'm trying to keep expectations low. Keep up the great work. Always look forward to new episodes. I'm looking forward to it Yeah so this is what the James Mangold India Jones movie Yeah Which apparently has

Like a ballooned budget Of like 300 million plus Dollars or something insane Because of a mix of like I think he was injured on set And they had to wait for a while And it's like a bunch of like D-aging

Yeah Deep fake stuff I think Because obviously he's like He's what like 95 years old now Yeah, I don't know. I just kind of want it stop. There's no reason why it should still keep going. We've already been there.

Yeah. We've already tried this and didn't it. It's not going to stop because it makes too much money. Yeah, man. It's Indiana Jones. I mean, it's not, like, do you think that movie is not going to do well? It's going to do gangbusters. It's going to do fucking great.

Yeah. It's going to be tons of money. It's a recognizable property Yeah so that's why they did it And you know Harrison Ford is still around Like he's still Indiana Jones like you want to see him I'm fine with it He's still willing to do it

Yeah I think he likes doing Indiana Jones way more than he does Star Wars and being on solo Yeah He does like that character He also just doesn't want anyone to replace him on that He's like if I stuff then someone else will do it I'm Indiana Jones.

Oh yeah, well then they'll get Shailabuff, like how they set up before. Mutt Williams. Yeah, Mutt Williams, everybody. They teased it. Just forget about that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

It's like it's not moving the needle either way extreme for me. It's just like, okay, I guess we're getting a new Indiana Jones now because we have to. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I don't mind James Mangold. He looks interesting. He looks like a few of his movies. Yeah.

I like the director. I have no idea how it's going to turn out. It'll probably just be mid for me. I don't know. I can't imagine I would love it. Yeah. I like Logan a lot. That was great movie.

Yeah, I like Logan. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see on that one. Hmm. What do you think of this one then from Gregassaw, the critic? What's your favorite mythology when watching a movie or show? Would it be the weird, colorful Greek mythology? Would it be the gritty, bloody acts of Vikings slash Norsemith?

The supernatural Yo-Kai from Japan. Wow. What would be perfect for watching? They all sound cool. Does Lord of the Rings count? Or is that not? That's less myth. That's more like a bit more contemporary fantasy from the last hundred years.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't find myself gravitating to a lot of, like, I don't know, pre-existing kind of, like, aesthetic-driven mythologies or whatever. I don't think so anyway. Maybe I'm just not thinking of one. that I'm a big fan of the Greek mythology. Oh, yeah. More.

Yeah, that was one I've always been drawn to as a kid, like, reading all the, all the kind of short stories and all the creatures and the Sisyphus and Aphrodite and all this. I just like, I like the pantheon of gods, like, in the Greek myth. They're all, like, assholes. It's not about, like, making God, like, a figure, like a nice, like, what's the word I'm looking for like the ultimate example of good or whatever it's more like yeah these are all just assholes in the sky just just toying with just yeah just being cruel yeah I quite like that side of it yeah well the north stuff as well is is cool I like that in um um uh what was it

called the Northman yeah yeah whenever it can be kind of trickled out I've I've always been a fan of like myth because it's like the original stories you know and the way it's like just stuck around and still inspires things to this day yeah it depends on how much the director is passionate about it really is like the biggest thing for me so like Robert Eggers obviously you can tell that they're they're super into it and so it just shines through the movie yeah yeah exactly yeah i'd say north pathology's cool or yeah i don't know something like that i don't have a strong preference either Norse or like Yeah the Greek gods are cool

I like that they're yeah old dickheads to each other That's fun Like Clash of the Titans That kind of stuff Yeah that stuff's cool Yeah that's all Greek myth stuff Yeah god of war Troy and

Uh huh Troy God of war's Norse yeah Yeah God of war's Norse and I think they dabble in both Like Yeah the original god of war was Greek Yeah And then these like newer ones are Nor ones

are Norse. Yeah, that's interesting. That is cool. Like jumping between them is a cool idea. Yeah, yeah, that was cool. I send on this one from Roe Moe one. What do you feel about the criticism of films being cold? Kubrick, Nolan, and Villeneuve are often criticized for this.

I don't know, it's kind of what I like about their movies, to be honest. That would be a pro to me, like a plus. Cold doesn't necessarily mean bad, like cold and detached. It's like, can be a style that. brings forward a certain, like, theme or tone or atmosphere. Yeah. Makes it just unique. I mean, yeah, a lot of my favorite movies and directors are ones that could be described that way for sure.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, like... Yeah, a nice detached cold style. Yeah. Sonenberg, too. Mm-hmm. Like, maybe... Well, yeah, Nolan, yeah, 10, it feels kind of cold.

like with the character's lack of like development yeah I could definitely see that with him as long as it's like intentional you know I'd prefer that to having kind of hammy cheesy characters which like I don't think everyone can write like characters that way and make it not corny I think some people definitely can like Chris Nolan like the best stuff with him isn't like

character development more so it's like the way the action and the story kind of guides the characters more so and like yeah the the action the spectacle not like the development of like that sort of thing it just depends on the it just depends on what the film is trying to do yeah because i can i can think of it as a positive or negative like i probably criticize a lot of like snider films for being cold and not in the good way That's like criticizing someone for like the medium that they tell their stories. It's like, oh, some people criticize these directors for doing animated films.

Like this doesn't really make sense as a criticism for, you know, like, oh, these directors decide to portray their films in a certain way. It's like, yeah, it's a choice. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing with like a lot of like art criticism there, to be honest, is that you can, like, take an example. just flip it the inverse and chances are you'll be able to apply it or at least groups of people will be able to apply like either interpretation and still be correct I'm more impressed that movies like this get

like released theatrically and are successful sometimes like the Sotomberg like contagion and I don't know even Dunkirk something like that it is something colder and yet the audience is like respond to it I usually feel more cynical where I always feel like a producer would come in and say like, you need to add, you know, the scene where he pulls out of picture and he has a family or, you know, some shit like that.

They got up, they have a brother and, yeah, I appreciate movies that don't do that, that don't feel like there's a producer, like, on the sidelines. Like, you need to make it more relatable. Yeah, and Dunkirk's definitely a movie like that. So, yeah, it just depends, though, depends on what you're going for. I agree with what you said. Okay, I guess Do we have more to add to that question?

I think that's it. I think we've done it. I think we've done it, man. I think we've done it. All right. Awesome. I think it's my turn. I think so.

I recommend a movie? I think so. Yeah, it is your turn. Yep. All right, let's do Dial M for Murder. Hitchcock. Oh, nice. Okay.

Cool. Awesome. I haven't seen it. I've seen a couple other Hitchcock's. My roommate Gail really likes this one, apparently. So we'll see what it's like. Beautiful. If you don't want to be spoiled for Dial M for Murder, 1954, directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Watch it before the next episode comes out.

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