Sardonicast - Sardonicast 148: Aggro Dr1ft, 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later #tiff23

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

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Three, two, one. Infected with what? Rage. You're welcome now. That's how he says it, okay? I was, it was an accurate quote. Hello, everybody. I'm Adam from your movie sex.

This is Sardana cast. Hello. I'm Alexer M. Reiki and I'm drinking my cup of tea. Actually, I'm as well as energizing me. I'm feeling good. To be fair, you were doing a, Canadian all throughout your jar episode where you're talking about it.

True. It was like, sorrier, the entire. Sorrierie. Exactly. So it's, it's fine. It's fair. I feel like, yeah. Come on, make fun of the British accent all you want.

I think that's totally fair. We're nuts over here. I think I said it exactly how it sounds in the movie. I think that's exactly how it sounds. Yeah, they got some really thick southeast London accent. going on. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. We went to TIF. We went to the Toronto International Film Festival.

Oh, yeah. And it was so much fun. And we were there for like a week and a half. Yeah, it was like 10 days. I was there. It was dope. It was Alex's first time in Toronto. Yeah, my second kind of the trip, but first time in Toronto. Cool city. I really enjoyed it, actually. Yeah. I'm glad you did. I loved all the different theaters who went to, all the restaurants, or the people we met.

Yeah, it was awesome. You saw Ralph for the first time? That was pretty cool in person. I know, yeah. We got that picture on Twitter by the, what was it, Michaels? Like a store I've never heard of. It was late. It was like, where do we fucking take this photo?

Oh, okay. I know what to do here. And then some random drunk guy wanted to be in the photo. And then I took a photo with him. I didn't release that one, though. Maybe I should. Yeah, maybe you should. I kind of regret not joining you with that.

But like, my instinct was to kind of walk away from the stranger approaching, the clearly on something or drunk as hell, stranger coming towards us. I mean, in any other city, like, especially if I was in the United States, that I might, I might be a bit more cautious. Not saying that Canada doesn't have crime, not saying that Toronto doesn't have crime or anything. But I guess I'm just, I guess I'm less scared about things happening in Canada in general. So. Yeah, that's fair. I didn't completely lower my guard.

I was still, I was still cautious in the sense that I didn't like go right up to him if he was going to try and like, I don't know, steal something. But, yeah, yeah,

who knows? I don't know. It's a weird, it's a weird ask to just be walking by and then demand to be in someone else's photo. Yeah. It's like, what are you trying to do?

Are you trying to trick us? Like, what was it, like 10, 11 a night? Yeah. It was, it was dark out.

But, you know, turned out fine. Yeah. Got a good photo out of it. In saying that, though, I did, I do feel very safe in the city overall. Even at night, like, I got lost at, like, 2 in the morning. I had to walk back to the Airbnb. Like, I felt fine, like, walking that way.

I'm like, I never felt in danger. It was, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a better, it's a lot better than, like, downtown Seattle. I did a movie trip solo. And then I came out of the theater, knowing that I could just walk back to my hotel, you know, 10 minutes, but I guess I didn't plan for it or think that the downtown would be as scary and just desolate and like nothing's there except the odd occasional, like, scary person that really looks like they want to fight.

I'm like, okay, I just got to look scarier than them. I just got to look crazy. And it works. And I'm, you know, I'm tall. I remember that when we went to Seattle for those couple days. Like, it was desolate. It was. It was quite weird.

No vehicles even. It was like quite, what? Is it 20 years later right now? This is creepy. Yeah. By the gum wall and everything. Luckily we were in like a group at that time, but I wouldn't want to be alone for sure. Yeah, in the middle of a night, it's like, what, what are you going to do if you need help at any point?

No one's around. You can't do anything. Whereas like in Toronto, it's like there's someone like 10 feet away at all times. Yeah, cars everywhere, people everywhere. Yeah, still alive at night in the downtown. Yeah, Montreal's got a. very active nightlife as well. Drinking some mountain dew,

because I'm fucking overworked myself and I haven't been sleeping much. And so I'm like, well, let's get this caffeine up. And now I'm just thinking, it's crazy that we put this in our body. It's just literally mystery. Have you got like a crazy flavor or anything? It is, it's a literal mystery.

It's the mystery flavor, 2023, voodoo Halloween thing. I was told that every, it's the fifth one. And I was told that every other year, it's been a candy. And so the reveal would take place like, I don't know, on Halloween or something. In the past four years, it's been dumb shit like, Starburst, Skittles. It's like, that's not a

flavor. They have like every starburst flavor in one drink. And then you can't cross-reference it because they just, you can't find them anymore after they announce the flavor. It's like, oh, you sneaky fucks. So what's this one going to be? Ew, sounds gross. It's so fluorescent, is it? It's dumb. It's got some caffeine in it. It's disgusting. I don't like it.

It's dumb. Yeah, it reminds me in my teenage game a day, so I remember winning a copy of Halo 4 off a goddamn Mountain Boo, a doo drink. A dew drink. Not good. Drinking some dew. Not good. I want my tea and coffee now.

No more of the crazy drinks. Mm-hmm. So Alex and I both posted, well, mine's not out yet, but I recorded it. it should be out soon, maybe by the time this episode of the podcast is public, we both posted and are posting more detailed reviews of the films we saw at TIF on our own respective channels, Alex on his second channel, mine on my YMS channel, there will be a big TIF video. So we're not going to go into detail about every movie that we saw right now. It would take too much time and we, you know, we already have those videos that we're working on. But I figure we should

maybe mention a couple movies and we'll save some in our pockets for when they get a wide release later in the year. Like, we'll probably want to talk about dream scenario when everybody else has seen it also and they can want to listen to the conversation, apparently November 10th. And they have interest too. Yeah. So who knows when agro drift or derwunft is getting a release?

It's not like a movie you can really spoil. and it's so dumb. No. Like, is it getting released at any point? Because I'd buy a 4K Blu-ray, but... Is there any point? Is it, will it get released on like, the Google Play Store for phones only?

Is it one of these? Yeah, you're going to put it on Shudder or something? Because it's not a movie. Where are you going to hide this? I don't know. I think it's... I think Shudder is even... there's more legitimacy to that than to put that on your platform.

Yeah. But where would you put it? Where does this film belong? I would argue nowhere except movie madness. That's the one place it belongs. Midnight madness. Midnight madness, yeah. Yes.

For those of you who don't know, who don't know, Agro de Wunft or Drift is the newest Harmony Korean film, but it's not really a film. and the whole thing's in heat vision they I guess rented some NASA cameras where it's infrared and it's like a heat map and instead of doing anything interesting with it they kind of just like filmed themselves getting drunk and twerking yeah for 80 minutes that's right lots and lots of twerking tons of twerking heaps are twerking and just just posing saying the same dumb shit over and over again what was it was saying in the Q&A was like saying it's got a liquid narrative and it's like inspired by video games it's a piss narrative yeah it's kind of got that

synth wave kind of aesthetic that's what you're trying to go for I think it's it's the first trickle-down movie when you say like when he was trying to justify it on stage just like I just want to say shut up man Pretty much. You feel like no... I think he would like that. I think he's happy that he trolled everyone. He's got a little bit of ontario in him, you know?

Yeah. I can appreciate that about it. I can appreciate the troll. Like, that's exactly how I felt was that I was just being trolled for an hour and 20 minutes. That was great. Yeah. Yeah, people trickling out the theater. Like, it's just like...

It's just like a big middle finger like, uh... Yeah, an endurance film. Like, man. But every time I've like spoken about this movie so far like I mentioned on Joe I mentioned it on this TIF video I put up like people are just getting more excited to see it. I feel like it's one of those But I'm telling I'm telling you it's the conversation outside of it that is the fun like the actual movie like sucks I'd watch it again It sucks man it's unique

Yeah, maybe I would with some people. I don't know if I could Sit through it myself like I just feel like a dumbass on a I feel like I just feel like I'm being... Is that not what you want? Out of a liquid trickle-down narrative. I want to feel the contempt for the audience, like, seeping through. It makes you feel better if you know other people are getting mad about it.

So if you just remember the people they got more mad than you, then you feel fine. Yeah, at least I made it to the end. Yeah. A lot of people can say that. Yeah. One guy stormed out and yelled. But he did make it to the crime. credits, he just stormed out and yelled after the credits started rolling, which was very funny.

I wish I heard that guy. Oh, yeah, he was right next to me. He wasn't very, like, he yelled, but he wasn't like, you couldn't hear him throughout the entire theater or anything. Yeah, yeah, over the cheering. Yeah, yeah. True. Most of the movies we saw at TIF were fantastic, you know, some of the best movies we've

seen the entire year, pretty much like my entire, if I were to make a top 10 list of the year right now, it would be like eight or nine of the five. of them would be just things I saw at TIF. Always very happy with the programming, with the lineup. AgroDrift is a bit of a meme, though, and I'm happy it was there. I'm happy it was there. It makes sense for the Midnight Madness programming. I would rather have seen this film at Tiff in Midnight Madness than anywhere else.

It made the experience a lot better. I agree. And it was definitely the conversation piece of like the whole festival. Everybody's the movie everyone had a strong opinion on. Yeah. Yeah. And some people like genuinely love it. Like I saw Carston's review on Letterbox.

He's giving it like a four star. Oh yeah, he posted his full one? No, no, just the rating. I don't know if you said a full thing yet. Damn, got to pick his brain on that one. Yeah, I'm curious. Well, I'm sure he'll release a video or something, but. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's not, it's, it's simultaneously brilliant and the stupidest fucking thing that's ever been made. Right? There is some brilliance to the film. It's not genius. It's not even a smart movie. But brilliance in the sense that it exists and someone is willing to put it out. It's brilliantly stupid. And someone is willing to show up and not be embarrassed enough to actually do a Q&A about the movie and introduce it.

Yeah, props to him for doing that actually, like actually showing up. And then like after the movie was over, just coming on stage and you just play play play play. an entire song off Spotify for the three minutes without saying a word like that was funny that's kind of the movie summed up yeah he put his phone up to the microphone and peter koppelowski is just there like what are you doing everyone just stunned silence just like listening I guess yeah waiting for something to happen well so I I thought um I had a thought in my head I was on stream talking about something and I thought like you know, a lot of, there's a lot of indie directors, and I think we were talking about like the

Marvels or something about some people are mad about her comments about the movie and she's essentially trying to, you know, in something she's saying, it sounds like she's basically just saying like, oh, I didn't have that much creative control, which is essentially just saying, who's comments for or the director? The director of the Marvels or whatever. Of the Marvels. Yeah. I think she did the news.

new what's it called the B horror movie what's it called Candyman Candyman Candyman right is it the director

of Candyman Nia da Costa yeah candy man yeah yeah you're right so apparently there's some quotes of her being talking about how she didn't have

that much creative control and kind of got into a conversation about like okay well if you're doing a fucking Disney Marvel movie you can't expect to have that control and when the movie's coming you want to just remember how to play ball you're there to promote the movie don't do your whole like oh this movie sucks and if i wanted my if i had it my way it would have been better like you knew

what you were signing up for it stop doing that shit and so then i i kind of thought about like you know if i if i got approached by did didney and they were like make the next marvel movie here's a bunch of money i think i might do it because you know who who care it would help me fund other projects or whatever. In this hypothetical reality where I'm like an established director or something or anybody that they would even want in this hypothetical pathetic reality. And then I thought about like, okay, so if I was in this situation promoting the film, I think I would just go full troll mode and just full sarcasm.

I would be if I would be interviewed about the new Marvel movie and I would be like, I have changed how cinema is made. You don't understand what you're about to watch. It is going to change the landscape of everything. And then I realized this is what Harmony Corrine did. I think that's what he's doing with the movie is he knows he's made something that's so dumb that his entire marketing campaign. And it goes beyond the Q&A that he had to Tiff.

Like this is, apparently there's been a lot of viral marketing stuff that they've been doing for the film that I was not even aware of where they're talking about. Yeah, this is the thing that comes after movies. It's not even a movie anymore because it's like the next step. And experiences, bro. And it's like, I think that's just what happened is he went full troll mode because if he was earnest about anything that he was saying, it would just be like, you know,

I farted this out. We filmed what could have been a music video in like a day and then just kept all the footage. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think you're a spot on there. Because of course, like Travis Scott is like a fairly big part of it. And I know that he's like on Instagram and stuff with like images from. So that would probably help the promotion of the movie.

And honestly, I don't know, when I saw an MDB that Travis Scott was in it, I was like, oh, God, what is what is going on here? But like this Travis Scott bit is like the hilarious part of the movie to me. Yeah. It's like, that's, you like fit in perfectly with what they were doing here. Yeah. Wake up. Do it.

Go to sleep. Do it. Do it. And then you're still sleeping. Still doing it. You're sleep doing it. Do it. Yeah, because yeah, thinking about it like just that term liquid narrative, that is the kind of thing you'd come up with just to sound, you know, it's like it's levels to the troll.

Yeah. Like some people like would hear that and be like, oh, oh, liquid narrative. Cool. It's like a new, he's really pushing the limits here, but like behind the scene, like chuckling, anyone repeating it because it's just so stupid. Yeah, and so it's like, well, did we watch a film or is the art piece, the commentary on the other? audience. And like, is the art piece not the film, but the people that went to watch the film and people's expectations for what is considered a film or what movies are?

And this is where we get into the level of brilliance because we're actively trying to understand what the fuck happened here. And it's an interesting conversation with no clear answer that I would love to hear everybody's opinion on. And I would love to hear Carston's talk about this movie. And I would love, you know, like, I'm just, I'm happy having a conversation about this movie. It's the, the polar opposite of like, I don't know, the holdovers where it's just like, fuck, Oscar Bates, seen it, you know, seen it before, whatever. You know, not a bad movie. I agree. Not a bad movie, but there's no conversation to be had. Whereas, you know, this is what I like about

films is... It will get an emotional reaction out of you, yeah. That's guaranteed. 100%. But that's what pisses me off about it because it's like, it's not an experiment like being put on YouTube, being put on TikTok. This is like... No, that makes it better. You charge your money for this. Like, you can make it money, like a ton of money from this. Like, Travis Scott's in there. Like, it wasn't one of the more expensive tickets, though. It wasn't like a fucking premium screening. That would have been funny. If it was like $88 tickets. People were like reselling them for like, that would be so good. reselling them for like $300

like Boy in the Heron or some shit somebody pays like fucking $500 gets to the movie and it's like I am the world's greatest assassin I want to imagine them melting

like that's the liquid narrative their fucking soul being melted in front of we haven't even talked about the narrative like what happens it's about like an assassin or something like what even happened

It's a lot of insistence They go on a boat Yeah They didn't really do anything There's like a fight at the end There's like two or three people That just keep repeatedly insisting What they do without doing it

Like Neil Breen And he talks about how he's hacking Into the government systems And he's writing this book And he's gonna expose everything And we never learn a single detail about it But we just like Okay we'll believe you

And you keep repeating it enough times We'll believe you I guess That's exactly what's happened In this movie He just keeps saying he's the world's greatest assassin without doing anything. And, you know, his, the, the butt character, the, the, uh, the butt is twerking. Was it, was it an actual person or was that like an AI? I think that was a person.

Really? Okay. Because I couldn't tell because there is like AI overlay. There's like a CG demon that keeps appearing. Yeah, the CG demon, yeah. The way AI was used in this movie, I think it's just like, when you start seeing. weird little excuse me the fucking do when you start seeing weird little skull patterns like appear in the images yeah and the cogs and the gears and remember it was like at least five

years ago or something Google released the first version of like some AI program and it was called like Google dreams and everything looked like a dog's face or something it's kind of like that I think they filmed an image and then ran it through like an AI thing with the of skulls and then some skull things appeared in it. And it's not very advanced AI. Like it's not even anywhere close to a lot of the cool stuff we've been seeing online recently. Yeah, no, I close.

It's like technology from five plus years ago. So it's not, the fact that they used AI in this movie is not even that interesting. And you could have not, they could have not done it. The movie wouldn't have been different. Yeah, true. Yeah. But it's, I guess, another one of those things to, another one of those buzzwords that people can talk about and maybe get an emotional reaction

out of. Yeah, makes it sound modern like it's a, yeah, yeah, made people annoyed. But yeah, it feeds into the troll narrative or whatever. But for me, like, the thing that was really making this extra insufferable was that music, man. What they were doing with that music was like, it like hurt, actually hurt. Like, not only were the visuals hurting, but the sound was hurting. I don't know about you, but after 25 minutes of looking at this imagery, it's like pain, like it's actually painful. And I don't mean that in like a hyperbolic way, like it actually like was hurting my eyes, which I can't really say about any other film I've seen before, like quite to this degree.

It actually hurts. Gaspar Noah's Luxa-Turna is what I think of when I think a headache movie, which Carston also loved. So maybe we're getting on to something here. maybe we're figuring it out he likes his brain damage movies yeah I don't know

yeah brilliant brilliant piece of art the fact the fact that we don't even know if it's anything is great

you know because when you see a true piece of shit it's just there's nothing to say about it you can just be like well that was garbage and you like you don't have this conversation. But to have this conversation and be like, is, is there anything about this that is substantive? And you don't really know. It's fucking awesome. That's so good. I do love

talking about the movie. I'll give it that. I will give it that. I feel stupid and dumb is. There's there's like two movies I've been thinking about since the festival. It was agro drift and the zone of interest. So like, what? One really, you know, actually fantastic movie that you're supposed to be thinking about in one meme. Yeah. Well, the other one that was lingering in my mind was, actually, I don't think I spoke to you how he felt about it. A perfect days. Like, I really love that movie.

Like, it's really lingering in my mind. Like, simple premise just executed extremely well to me. I really like that main character in there. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I wasn't sure what I knew everybody was going to think about it. I was doing some press screenings for people confused. So some of the movies I saw were at different times than what everybody else in the group saw. So I wound up so that I could catch fallen leaves.

I skipped the public screening of perfect days that was happening at the same time. And I saw the fucking press screening of perfect days. Anatomy of a fall, right? You saw right? Yeah, I saw Anatomy of a Fall, which was awesome that nobody else in the group got to see. Yeah. Well, actually, Ralph and I saw it. He got pressed.

but everyone else didn't anyway yeah I did I didn't I did enjoy perfect days I was kind of worried that it would be not appreciated in the group but everybody seemed to enjoy it you enjoyed it more than me I'm not saying that I thought the movie was bad I like it a lot it's only growing on me good so many great scenes so many memorable observations and yeah quite quiet and understated though so I get like it's not definitely not for everyone yeah there's a there's definitely a a dependable genre for some people of just quiet Japanese movies. And this one was a little different. You know, it wasn't exactly like a Carada film. But it's kind of in the same vein. Like people that enjoy that type of thing will enjoy it more. Yeah, good sound design. Very kind of meditative and

relaxing. Short in 15 days, which is crazy. Yeah. Good soundtrack. Yeah. Okay. So with, uh, we'll talk more about TIF movies on our respective channels. Go check those out. We'll, you know, we'll have details, detailed reviews for those things. And we'll probably talk more about some of these movies as they get wider releases, as other people are having these conversations. I guess about the TIF experience. There's something we kind of wanted to touch on because we hang out with a lot of content creator peers at the festival because, you know, Amanda's there, Carston's there, Ralph was there, et cetera, et cetera, a bunch of people just showing up. And so naturally, you know, having some conversations at some point.

in certain days. There was kind of a repeated theme of people talking about, like, fan interactions. And I'm all for it. You know, I've got like a, if you want to ask me for a picture, I'm like, yeah, you know, I'll do the face. I'll say hi if you all want to have like a short blurb conversation. Yeah. But I think that, you know, something that would probably be a good thing to mention is that

there's, I think there's a good amount of people. that mean well and are sweet and nice, but don't understand when they're kind of like intruding on someone's night or social circle. You know, and if I'm in town and I only have like a limited amount of time to see my friends or family or people that I'm trying to meet, it's important that let's say you're in line. I'm speaking to everybody in the audience right now.

Let's say you're in line. You see your favorite content creator. if you're in line and you're kind of like stuck with them in line as in that you're both in the same place in line probably you know don't try to have a conversation the entire time because that's not a conversation that someone can just like walk out of because then you lose your place in line and so try to be aware of situations where a person who doesn't know you but you know them from their content or whatever might be not wanting to have like a full long conversation and might not be able to explicitly directly say it because they don't want to seem like an asshole you know because it's tough

it's tough to have to say like excuse me I would really rather not like talk to you right now because you don't know if someone's going to take it the wrong way and feel like hurt about it like that's the last thing you want is for someone to feel bad yeah and it's like yeah it's such enthusiasm you're being met with too like that that's infection just that's great, you know, when someone's coming up to you and they're so excited to talk to you and, yeah, I love talking about movies and all this. But yeah, there is like that, that fine line, isn't there, because you're so right where it is, yeah, these, there is a, it's quite a one-sided dynamic in terms of these, these people know a lot more about us than we do of them. So it's kind of charged a certain way. And especially with like, as you say, like, the schedule's packed, like, knackered. We're like, being, on can be like a lot to maintain, especially over like 10 days or whatever, it can be. Yeah, it can get kind of awkward. Yeah, there's a difference between it.

I don't want people to interpret this in a way of like, oh, I only hang out with famous people. Right. Like, I'm talking about like me hanging out with my parents too. Right. Like I'm there, I'm done there to see them too. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want people to interpret it in that way. But there is a big difference between having a conversation with people.

that you're familiar with and you know each other equally as well versus kind of being asked Q&A questions, right? So I do find myself having to be quote unquote on more if I'm having certain, you know, if I'm just being asked questions by a fan or like, you know, and obviously it means a lot to them and obviously they're having like, you know, the fucking time of their lives and I'm happy that to make people feel better and have their day be brightened, et cetera, et cetera. but it it there is a certain point where like I'm going you know I do want to not be spending my entire time being on in like a night so if you are a fan of anybody whether it's me or Alex or Amanda or Big Joel was there too that was cool. Lily they were awesome they were fun

if you're a fan of anybody you want to say hi to someone feel free to say hi unless there's like a content creator that explicitly says that they don't want to be talked to. But feel free to say hi, feel free to ask for a picture. Feel free to have like a short conversation. But keep the conversation, I would say under a minute if you can just to. Yeah. Because even if even if you don't pick up on the social cues of someone not necessarily wanting to be continuing a conversation, I think it's just better and safe to be like, hey, just say, you know, at the end of a, you know, 30 seconds a minute or whatever. Just be like, well, I was just saying hi, thanks.

And if you can take the initiative of saying, okay, see ya, bye, or whatever, then it'll make it so that the person who you're coming up to doesn't have to try to end the conversation or run away and appear rude, right? Like, I just don't, I don't like feeling like that. So I try to avoid that. And sometimes I get trapped in conversations with people that don't realize that they're trapping me in a conversation and they might just be lacking like a social cue and they're just probably having like the time of their lives being able to have this interaction and that's

fucking awesome and I imagine myself you know talking to people that I'm a fan of you know I'm I you know it to whatever experience to make things cool for that person in a way that I would appreciate it's great but try to be more more more socially conscious and also just safe in terms of, you know, you can, if you, if you end the conversation or at least check in and be like, hey, well, I guess I'll get going or like, you probably want to do your own thing, right? And it's like, yeah, you have a good, you know. And yeah. Yeah. The majority of people were so like, so like good about it for the most part, you know. Yeah. 90. It takes as like a handful. 99%. Yeah. Yeah. Because most people do kind of,

kind of get that like they're walking by they'll just shout out oh i love your videos man or something like this and that that's so fine that's so cool but yeah it's it's such a fine line yeah and uh yeah don't don't be afraid to come up to me don't be afraid to say hi don't be afraid to ask for a picture i don't care if you're socially awkward i'm a fucking furry i see it all every fucking day right you know i love autistic people it's not going to bother me yeah i'll say hi i'll snap the pick whatever just yeah be careful to not trap people in conversations especially you know some of the other content creators we talk to are you know really small it's like physically they like i like kind of feel bad for them like in terms of that yeah situation because they kind of just have i don't

know yeah you're right just keep being in mind that's that's what we're saying like you know just Just keep it in the back of your mind. Yep. 99% of interactions were fucking awesome. And even the ones that were bad, I don't, I'm not like upset at those people. I just, you know, want to do a little PSA to help. Not just, like, I can tolerate it probably better than anybody else that I'm like a peer with at these festivals. So this is also me just helping other content.

Like I want to help people that. don't have the tolerance that I do. Some people just like really don't want to have those interactions. There was a really fun one where, and again, this year, if you're listening right now, this is I don't care that you did this. I just thought it was really funny. The person that went up to Henry slash Big Joel. I was just about to say.

Yeah, do you want to tell it? Here, go for it. So, yeah, I think we're in line for dream scenario or something like. this or maybe it was after I kind of remember such a blur. It was after a movie. But yeah, I think you were in a conversation with someone and someone clearly recognized you but you were busy for the moment but they also recognized Big Joel or Henry and went up to him and were like basically, well man, like your videos have been in my recommended, I haven't

watched them but I've heard they're good. Like I'm sure he meant it well and meant well by it but it's like quite a strange thing to bring up to someone and then it was kind of. And then it's just, yeah, because we could kind of say something in order to get to you, it felt like. So, but Big Joe handed it very well considering. A lot of people, I think, are intimidated by me when they shouldn't be. Yeah. I think I'm pretty nice.

I don't know. So, yeah, sometimes people will definitely use, like, other people in the group as, like, a way to, like, test the waters or something. And so he said hi to Joel and then it was like, can you actually hold the camera? I want to get a picture with Adam, which was fucking hilarious. I loved that. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you just put his foot in his mouth. Maybe he didn't know how to navigate.

Yeah. You can't expect people to know how to handle. Maybe it was a bit nervous. But like, just lie. Just say you like his videos, you know, like. I thought that was very funny. I thought that was very funny. Yeah, it was hilarious.

We're all joking about it. that after yeah no and did not in a way where if you're the person that did that that you should feel embarrassed about it I thought it was I thought it was a funny like legitimately funny thing yeah yeah that's yeah it's just such a weird dynamic you know and there's no way to make it not weird on some level you know as much as it's appreciated and whatnot yeah and I understand that and that's part of why I feel so comfortable with it life's fucking weird Every interaction is fucking weird. Exactly.

Everybody's trying their best. Nobody knows what they're doing and everybody's just trying to figure shit out. If somebody's a little socially awkward, who cares? Oh, yeah. For sure. Great festival. Great vibes. Great food.

Great city from what we experienced. Shout out to Storm Crow Manor, very cool nerd bar. We checked out. Yeah. I'm on there a couple times. Some great restaurant stuff. Ooh, that that Cabbage Town Festival was cool that we just serendipitously just fell into basically, like didn't even know it was happening and just kind of walked into. Yeah, that was like a scene from a movie, like coming out at the restaurant and then there's all this live music playing and all this crazy different stalls selling all stuff.

What was that thing that were given out that you took a bunch of like at one of the stalls? Naloxone, which is the same as Narcan. And they were giving out like bags of the nasal spray and the injections so that if you're around, you know, someone overdosing, whether it's on the street or it's a house party and someone did cocaine and it had like fentanyl in it or something, then you have the ability to potentially save their life. And this is like, you know, many cities will just give this out for free at pharmacies. You just call them. it's not a bad thing to have and we're in the middle of a you know fentanyl opioid crisis many people overdosing or not even people that wanted to take an opioid but it was just you know a tainted supply of whatever else they were taking and uh yeah not a bad thing to happen i'm kind of preparanoid

i would i'm very in the mindset of like better have it and not need it than you need it and not have it yeah prepare for the worst hope for the best yeah exactly exactly yeah maybe one day maybe one day I'll be I'll be the guy that saves someone maybe I won't have to maybe we'll just avoid that scary scenario in the first place but yeah they were given out

that they were given out free joints free weeds yeah that was surreal as a Brit just walking around like yeah have a joint that would send you to jail if you were caught by the cops in the UK yeah we're in Canada it's so crazy yeah people are just smoking weed at the festival

and it was outdoors it's fine Just smoke and join everybody. All the advertising. It's like, well, get a spliff for tiff and all this kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Rosebud,

the cannabis store we went into a couple times. I'm not a, I'm not very weed-esque. I'm not really a weed smoker, but Cat BF and anybody around me, you know, wanted weed. I'm fine to. Yeah, we had our fun.

Yep. While we were talking about something earlier, I spilled some dew on myself and I'm pissed now that I can't wear these shorts today and I have to just wash them after this was sticky and gross and I can't wash them now because the washing machine is so loud I'll just like I'll hear it through the recording

so fuck dribbling that shit everywhere I mean it was just a tiny bit but I hit the I like accidentally hit the can on the bottom of my microphone and then just I got dude fuck you got dude dude dude dude I got dude dude dude time for the film recommendation it's uh 28 days later take it away yeah so it's a another

danny boil double bill um is that the only other boil stuff we've done on the cast before we did uh transboarding one and two before and we did uh the other one his first one the that's right oh man um blanket on it now the yeah the one uh oh man i'm so tired I remember what the poster looks like. Shallow grave, shallow grave, shallow grave, shallow grave. Yeah, so we talked about, yeah, we talked about him a little bit. But yeah, this is a slightly more contemporary one. The 2002 film 28 Days Later, kind of at Danny Boyles and Alex Garland, writer's,

a take on the zombie genre. Set in London, starring Killian Murphy as the lead. I mean, like, you don't really need to describe much of the plot. It's a zombie movie. Instead of going for the kind of shambling take, they interpret it as the rage virus. They call it. They never really use the term zombie or any of this kind of stuff,

like Walking Dead or this kind of thing. And yeah, it was kind of a, yeah, it's definitely a Danny Boyle interpretation of a zombie flick. And this was like a big one in my rotation when I was younger. Yeah, same. I really enjoyed this movie as a kid. We'll get onto the sequel later, but. I had a great time revisiting this.

Yeah, I love that. The way it ebbs and flows, I love the style. There's a lot to talk about in terms of that early digital photography. And access is weirdly limited for this movie. It's not on any streaming platform. You can't buy it on iTunes or anything. I don't know. You'd think that we'd be in a fucking point in time where any movie you could just like find on a streaming service anywhere.

It's not like it's a niche film. Like it's pretty famous, you know? Just license it somewhere. Who owns this shit right now? It's, yeah. Searchlight, right? Disney's fault? I think so.

Probably, yeah. Yeah. I think it's Disney's fault. Yeah, made on a budget of $8 million for 2002, which is, you know, fairly low, considering the scale of the production and the stuff the showing off. Just over inflation, that's around like 14 million, which would still be low for now, I would say. I suppose we should probably start there with the look of the film, to be honest. It's one of the more notable things because I was kind of, I haven't seen this film in a while,

but a lot of the discussions I'd heard about it were like, yeah, it was shot on these Canon XL1 camcorders, which are literally like 250 quid on eBay now. Nice. But at the time, they would have been like new emerging technology, but it kind of limits the film in terms of like you're not really going to get a 4K. version of this unless they do some like upscaling stuff or whatever but it doesn't actually affect it as much as I thought it kind of enhances it in a way to me it kind of helps with the style of the movie I like the the low-res kind of grimy look of it

and it definitely helped get the film made because yeah there's all these really ambitious like empty shots of Murphy walking through central London these really recognizable iconic locations with no one around with yeah so basically what they're doing is just shutting down the streets at like four in the morning and unlike with film cameras that take like such a exorbitant amount time to set up the the digital cameras could be set up in like I think it was like six minutes yeah could whip up a scene and like really just get to work and film something quickly because exactly yeah yeah so it was like a really efficient production in terms of that and it kind of

they leaned into it as far as the style is concerned. It does, yeah, it hides any flaws you might notice otherwise if it was in like in film. I'm sure you'd see more blemishes, but it really helps the style that makes it feel more guerrilla, more grimy, more realistic. And yeah, using all these different interesting techniques like shooting a lot of the, the action sequences in like a higher frame rate, a type of slow motion with this really stylized action, which has quite an interesting effect, and especially towards the end with the whole army camp

and Murphy going around, like, almost becoming a rage-type creature without even being infected and using these similar shooting styles to shoot him, for this action to like give these parallels. Just yeah, stylistically really interesting and all these different like character actors coming in and out. I completely forgot Brendan Gleason has a fairly major role. I'd love seeing him again.

When I watched this when I was younger and there was a lot, it was before I really knew who he was. So me revisiting the film this time, I was like, oh. Yeah, because now he's like a huge actor. Oscar nominated Yeah And like There's so much to praise with this movie

Like I love how quickly it just gets into it The opening scene with the ape attack In the lab It just does not mess around It gets straight to it Oh yeah The opening scenes fucking incredible It's so iconic

There's so much about this movie That's just stuck with me And it could be just because of how many times I watched it when I was younger but I don't know there's like me whenever I think of food going bad

bad I think of like the guy saying the eggs were what was the word British kind of slang for saying that they were off the eggs were off I don't know if that's gone off yeah yeah yeah that is yeah the eggs are off

yeah I think about that for some reason it's got lots of like really memorable location and settings be it like the flat and the high rise with the yeah exactly yeah and it's strung together and it really it flows very well from set piece to set piece um yeah the old memorable like when when a killian goes back to his family home and it's like really kind of sad and brutal they don't hold the punches like finding the parents in that like that really they're really nicely written letter saying like now we're sleeping with you i hope you

don't wake up. It's like, oh my God, this is... Literally just don't wake up. It was like a command. This is horrifying. Yeah. It's very poetic and it's a really incredible message to just put there for the film. And I like that narratively, you know, a lot of films like this, I think there would be a temptation of trying to have his parents be zombies and him having to kill his parents or something.

I like that he got that kind of resolution and I like that it was sad. in that way. I thought that was just a good choice narratively. Yeah. Yeah, there's, man, there's lots of actually really memorable imagery. I love the image of all the Tupperware on the rooftop. Yeah. And they're trying to collect the water. Yeah. He's like talking about how on TV, he was like, yeah, I saw about how to collect water on TV, but it doesn't really work because he's can't figure out to do it. He's not, yeah, he can't really figure out to get it working. They're driving around like a classic old London taxi. It's quintessentially British. in like every way possible, the like really thick accents.

I love when Killing-Murphy's like, this is a really shit idea. Like just being as candid as possible. It's like a really realistic, awesome approach to the dialogue and the performances and everything. It never feels too Hollywood or over the top. It's always believable to me. They never really take it anywhere too far that pulls me out of it, like a lot of other zombie films from this eerie do. Some other kind of notable things.

Obviously, this came out in 2002, meaning it was just post 9-11. Yeah. At the time, there was some controversy around the beginning when Killian's walking through the city and it doesn't really know what's going on. He finds a, like a missing person's wall. And some people found that to be distasteful,

even though it was shot before 9-11. Of course. A lot of... And some of these things you just can't help. America brain. Yeah. But it's almost like part of the zombie genre in a way because the noughties do have this quite strong association

with like zombie flicks outside of the older Romero stuff, which is this is obviously inspired by. Yeah, there was the, well, the Snyder, Dawn of the Dead, land of the Dead, Sean of the Dead, I'm legend, wreck, Resident Evil, House of the Dead, planet terror terror um there's a billion yeah and there's this that yeah exactly there is this idea that it is almost like a response to 9-11 and these rising fears of the the internet and this this this yeah this ongoing virus that's affecting everyone is quite a you know a prescient

thing that just everyone can connect to everyone can just immediately be frightened of of course the virus aspect as well has like a new meaning to us now living through like a pandemic and that whole angle um it i love how quickly things happen in the movie like just like how fast the movie gets going the infection itself what do they say it takes 10 20 seconds um and that really that really adds an inherent tension yeah and that's communicated immediately at the beginning it's just like she gets bit by the monkey and then oops like just immediately which adds a particular layer of fear to just the entire experience of the film and the world building and how these things operate very clearly communicated and very fucking terrifying because especially at the time

I think this was the first zombie film where they were fast like where you could run yeah I think this might have been the much scary if not it yeah I think it yeah I think it yeah I think that that took apart in the the hiring process too I think a lot of the rage infected people were like gym NAS and people who are very good with their bodies. So it gave them this extra physical intensity that, yeah, it's horrifying because, like, yeah, you can insert yourself into one of the Romero shambling zombie movies and be like, yeah, I reckon I could do something about this.

But these guys, I don't know, I don't think. No, you're screwed. There's a bit of a crowd of them. You're done. You're actually fucking screwed. Like, what do you do? Yeah. Romero zombies, you just like chill somewhere, just walk fast.

There's a lot of things you could do about Romero zombies. But these fucking not zombies or whatever, do they infected, whatever we want to call them, infected with the rage virus or whatever fucking, who cares? Yeah, it's much more terrifying. And I also want to point out, like, that church scene is still fucking terrifying. It doesn't matter how many times I watch this movie. That's fucking, that's just absolutely terrifying for me. the faces that they make when they're woken up.

And that just that insane, intense kind of like feral, like, wow, like the eyes, I can't. It's burned into my. That's pretty the scariest shot in the film. Yeah. Yeah. And I love how this is pretty consistent throughout the film. They really know how to edit these scares in a way where it's scarier that it's quiet. it's scarier that there isn't a loud noise

it's scarier that they're running up silently behind someone and sure there are jump scares in the film and sure it does get loud at points 100%, but the most terrifying parts and I think the film is aware are the ones where it's quiet and there's action happening.

Yeah, it definitely doesn't rely on it for sure. Yeah, this is a spoiler discussion by the way everybody the jump scare with the while he's watching at his parents' house while he's watching the film on the projector, that it's such a perfectly edited, perfectly presented scare because you're kind of, you know, it's not only just the misdirection of focusing on the projector and kind of being interested in that, but how they introduce that there's a zombie outside, you only see it from the zombie's perspective. You only see a shot of like the camera turning towards the

house and you don't even really know what you're seeing at first because it's happening so quickly. And then one more shot of Killian Murphy inside. And then immediately the prospective zombie is already running towards the house. And you're still like kind of piecing things together. Like it doesn't give you enough time to fully comprehend what's happening until it's already happening. And then it gets loud. But the, the truly terrifying moments of that is when it's quiet. And then same goes with when he's, you know, in the diner and the kids like running up behind him. Like, it's not loud until it's already up in his face, right? You see the, the running up behind and you, I love that as a choice. It's way more terrifying that something's

actively becoming a danger. And it's going to, it's going to affect you in like, I don't know, half a second. And you have half a second to realize that that's what's happening. And the fact that it's not, that there is no, like, extra loud, like, bing! Like, like, When the audience notices or when the audience is supposed to notice or like something's walking in the background, all these fucking dumb horror cliche tropes. Not saying that there's zero cliches or tropes in this movie, but it's very, it's way more respectful and way more sensible in terms of how it's edited and presented overall. And I just think that Danny Boyle's style as a director, like he has a very great comprehension of how he puts together his films and especially how they're. are edited. The editing is always a huge voice in his films. Obviously, a lot of really creative camera work going along with that, but he knows how he's going to communicate the experience.

He's pretty aware of that as he's making the film, and I love that we get to just see this really fine-tuned combination of different elements working together. Soundtrack. Yeah, I was really appreciating that, especially during. the more frantic action sequences where machetes are being swung where there are close-up bites it's it's kind of confusing but you can

I don't know you're never bamboozled you can you can follow what's happening to who who's happening to what and yeah unlike the sequel you can just tell what's going on even though it is frantically edited there are quick cuts

there are a lot of close-ups during these action scenes you're always there with the characters It's never lost in the action, which is really, really awesome. Yeah. Very strong visual style. And it complements the film and the tone, too. I don't care that, you know, a 4K version of this won't ever exist and wouldn't even

make sense unless we get to the point where it's like AI upscaling something. But even at that point, would I want that? I don't know. I'd be curious to see what it looks like. It's part of it. Yeah. Like the roughness. is part of it. It's definitely like all baked in. It's not like they were just playing around with

this new tech just for the fun. They actually, they saw. It wasn't an agro drift. Yeah. The new reference point for every film. Yeah, yeah. On the scale of it, like there's like a whole petrol station that gets like exploded and there's all this pyrotechnics with the zombies being set on fire. And it's like, man, they show all of Manchester on fire in the background and it still looks like excellent because yeah, it's subskilled through this old ass digital camera. Yeah, yeah, implement. in such a thoughtful, interesting way. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much all the effects look great.

I can't think of a really bad one at all. And lots of practical effects, obviously. The way that the makeup is done on these characters, it's fantastic. I also love, you know, they cast... The gore. Yeah. They obviously cast certain people that were like, I don't know, anorexic or has some sort of condition to play the starving zombies at the end.

And it's like you didn't need to like digitally create that. You can you can literally just cast people that look like in their dying. They have like beard and long hair and stuff. And like, wow, it's really visually striking throughout. I like the music choices too. They're probably. You know, and having, yeah, the original score woven in. Yeah, it really, it really gives it the, I don't know,

it always feels like it's a Danny Boyle movie. Yeah, it's like lost in the tropes. never gets lost in the zombie silliness. Yeah. It's just, yeah. So the, um, the song by John Murphy in the house in a heartbeat that plays near the end, but fucking, just one of the most iconic pieces of music from any soundtrack ever, literally.

A lot of people will recognize this song, even if they haven't seen this film, because it's been used in so many, so many different films and commercials and like, it's it's it's it's it's fucking kickass in 2010 yeah yeah it's just in kick just decided to reuse the track as if it were written for that film and that pisses me off yeah because i think murphy did the score for it yeah pisses me up i know murphy did the score and he was credited it's not like they ripped off and didn't you know it's not like he didn't get paid or whatever but damn i just i don't like it being associated with that film not only because it's a worst film and i just don't care for it

But because now you're getting, you, you, if somebody watches the films in the wrong order, because they're not attached to each other narratively at all, then someone can already be familiar with that song before they see 28 days later. It won't have, it won't have the exact same impact. They'll be like, oh, I already know this song. You know, or what, what, why am I thinking of kickass now? I don't like how it's associated in that way. And I think that that's kind of just like lazy and lame for kick ass to do that.

For a movie that's not even fucking 10 years old You know if you want to take from some unknown Italian Random film scored by Stelvio Kipriani In the 70s and reuse that in your new movie or something Who cares But like a big movie from 2002 And like one of the best songs ever For like a movie soundtrack

Like one of the most effective That is a weird choice Yeah pisses me off Not a big fan of kickass No I mean never But that, yeah, that piece of music is like on the same level to me as, you know, the song from Requiem for a dream. It's exactly the same in terms of like how it's culturally impacted.

Exactly. Yeah. And it was like in every YouTube video early days. It was in, yeah, it was always in these trailers. It's like, yeah. Yeah, so part of pop culture. Yeah, it's ingrained into our culture. And for good reason.

Like, it's, it does. Well, we'll talk about the sequel in a bit. But it's clear that the music does a lot of the heavy lifting. And at the very least in this first film, what we're seeing along with the music is impactful and important enough and intense enough and well shot enough and well acted enough that even without the music, you're still seeing something pretty intense and cool. But with the elements combined, the emotional experience when that song plays and a lot of other songs in the soundtrack. you know, great soundtrack choices throughout. It's just a really powerful and memorable emotional experience that just sticks with you. And I guess especially us because we watched it a fucking billion times when we were a kid or something.

Yeah, just like the more I'm talking, the more I'm remembering the set pieces, you know, the rats or maybe the most memorable shot in my mind was when brand name Glucon is like having to go at that crow who's eating the body. And then it's the droplet. Yeah. Yeah, the perspective of the droplet falling into his eye. That's a great shot. Yeah, it is a great shot. And like, kind of an emotional moment too, because he's like maybe the warmest character in the movie,

Brendan Lewis and he's like the father of the daughter. And it's like, oh, man, he's got to go out like this. Yeah. He wasn't in the movie very long. Sex, they take him away so quick. No. Yeah. Which, uh, I don't know, that kind of leads me into something that like was,

I don't know, really bugging me about this movie. I just cannot get over. I already know what you're going to say. She's fucking sex. the daughter Hannah. She's the deal. I have a theory as to put us to like that. Is she related to someone?

Is this nepotism? Like what's going on? No, I think it was more, I looked up. She's from Liverpool and they have a very, very thick accent in Liverpool. But they, I don't know, they made her try and do a southeast London accent, which she clearly couldn't do because I could hear like little stints of the Liverpoolian accent sneaking through every line she was saying. So I was like, what?

That's definitely didn't help the performance. Maybe the actor wasn't good to begin with. So it was like, yeah, I don't know. Like, it's such a shame because that's really the big weak spot in the movie for me. It's the biggest weak spot. She's like a crucial character. She's such a crucial character to like the whole like way the, the movie wraps up with the army guys at the end. And yeah, the whole dynamic with him and his daughter.

So she's been in three movies. movies and then now she's doing like music like two movies in a short she acted in it's not for her it's not for her 20 days later was like the last thing she acted in that was like a feature I don't know why she got cast yeah because everyone else is particularly good like Naomi Harris like she's a really intense character like the her introductory scene where she just takes that guy out hell yeah he's bit great character without her I'm like,

yeah, sets her up. She's like a really cool, strong character and her dynamic with Killian's really,

really awesome. But yeah, that daughter, man. The worst. No. I'm like, no,

it's not hyperbolic. It's like, the worst. The worst. Even a single good line delivery, I don't think. Never.

It's genuinely that distract. Not one. I just wanted to shut up every time she opened her stupid mouth. She's like, what was that line

that she says, like right before they leave the apartment and the music starts playing and they're about to do the taxi and they're doing like the like the like the Ave Maria rendition and it's like you're you're ending the scene and leading into something else and like the line itself sounds like it's supposed to be meaningful or poignant and she's just like well you need us but we also need you as much as you need us so the weird the friend got to

be together it's so I'm just like she's going to There's loads. Stop! Stop! I get so mad. Well, like, when she's at the dinner table, like, talking about her dad. My dad died. By the way.

I was like, oh my God. Fuck. Well, like, fucking think about when she just, when it's happening right in front of her. Like, literally, she's there. She witnesses his death. She's like, dad. Yeah. Dead.

Why are you doing that, dad? Dade. Dad. Dad. it really is such a shame I don't believe a single fucking word coming out of her mouth I don't believe a single fucking word

I don't believe anything she says throughout the entire fucking movie she's like I wrote down one of her yeah they have the part where they're about where they discover that the female lead has volume and they're about to sleep and she's like

I can't sleep I don't believe anything you're saying and then she's like can I dad please like you're what are you what are you doing what do you do i don't believe a single fucking word like you're being very generous talking about like as if the accent is

it's like maybe the culprit here i was just looking for any reason like what like why that's that's that's not the biggest problem with her performance the biggest problem with her performance is that she can't fucking act who cares about it even if her accent was completely limited it wouldn't fucking matter she can't fucking act it's awful it's yeah it's crazy i don't it's really such a shame. Yeah,

and otherwise. That's like a really intense scene when Naomi Harris has the, has the drugs and it's like, it's just so you won't care what's about to happen to you. Yeah, that too. This is like, this is brutal,

but she really pulls you out a bit whenever she has to give her reaction or especially to deliver dialogue. I get, I get okay with her performance when it's at the point in the movie where she's high out of her mind anyway, and I'm like, okay. It's like, Maybe that's why they cast her.

Well, she has, there's the good scene with, um, when she hides behind the mirror, but that involves no dialogue. Um, yeah. Yeah, that is a shame. That's, that's the big source. Yeah, you just kind of have to ignore a lot about her for it to work. Mm-hmm. Which is very difficult. It's very difficult because she's in, she's in like a majority of the movie.

Yeah. Fucking should have been her instead of. what's his name Frank? I don't remember. Yeah, true. Yeah. That'd have been better. Because all the, the caliber of the actors that she's acting against, too,

Brendan Gleeson, Killeem Murphy, Naomi Harris, Christopher Eccleston comes in, Eccleston, sorry, who comes in later as the, like, the major. Mm-hmm. These are like, you know, ten-year, like, really professionals right here that are really selling the dire situation. And she just seems like, yeah, the, this random. Liverpoolian girl who's like, it's just plucked out and clearly not,

it's not selling it. She is the only performance that I don't believe. Every other performance I believe. Yeah. There's no, there's no single other performance in the movie that I don't believe. And she is just so consistently bad that I just like, pain.

What do you think about the, I guess the whole set piece of the military thing from that point until the end of the movie? I have a couple issues here and there like with um I like the overall kind of arc of where it goes but like when killing Murphy's like teleporting around the base um it's like just on the border of being a bit too silly for me it is kind of dumb before that it's like way more believable um at least we got a good song I was reading like yeah yeah I was reading supposedly uh what was written in the script like was not working so like like Boyle, Killian, and Garland, I think, like, quite quickly came up with this way to wrap it up, and it does kind of feel that way. Because, yeah, it is dark in a way, and it's doing the, you know, the classic kind of zombie trope of like, yeah, the people, the humans are almost more to fear than the, the virus

or the rage itself, because it is like a horrifying conclusion that they reach. Christopher Eccleston saying about yeah I promised them women and all this kind of stuff it's like vile yeah he's like this is normality it's like yeah like trying to justify it and being like I'm just shooting people it's people killing people mm-hmm get up do it it gives yeah to sleep do it yeah exactly it gives killian Murphy like a a good motivation I guess to get that revenge but also like how they have to get there is kind of kind of clunky you know like yeah they they take kill and into the woods and I was confused as it was happening.

That's like the one bit of action. I was kind of confused, but like how does he actually escape from them? They look the other way for some reason. I don't remember. Yeah. I think like maybe it's kind of a messy sequence. Maybe one of the other characters screamed or something

and then they both looked away and he just ran. It is weird. It is dumb. I love the music that comes with it. Mm-hmm. You know, it still makes for like some great, memorable sequences. But I also notice that it's,

I think it's the longest they stay in one location, the entire movie. And you're kind of just there until the end of the movie where every other scene is just so quick and you're into, you're in a new location right away. And that's part of what really helps with the pacing. And, yeah, you're kind of just,

you're kind of just settling down and the movie's kind of just ending. And it's not, you know, boring. it's not No So you know It doesn't make me want to shut it off Before the movie's over I still want to like see it through to the end

But it is it is a drop off from the beginning Still Just a really Great film Overall and it's It's incredible just how much of a cultural impact This movie had And I'm still going to be in my rotation

Of just things that I watch every few years Or however long Because there's so much great stuff in it. There's so much valuable material within this film that, you know, it can have some flies and it's still fine.

Speaking of that, um, that end sequence, there is a, there is a part in there I do actually really love. Um, when he does escape and he's like looking through the trees and he just sees the plane.

Oh yeah. It's like this symbol of hope and kind of undoes like, yeah, it gives him a really strong motivation and reason to like fight on. Um, and the, yeah, combined with the song.

That's a great moment. And I don't even mind the once all that's wrapped up and it cuts a little bit after he shot. And they're in that little cottage. And yeah, this implied a bunch of time has passed and the jets flying over and they make the little sign for it. And yeah, it's kind of a happy ending, which supposedly also wasn't in the original script. It was like a more miserable kind of ending. except I feel like this kind of story, it is hard to wrap up. You're not always going to be able to have something satisfying and ambiguous

like a Last of Us, which is like, I don't know, that's quite a, that's a knocking out the park kind of way to end. Very few endings. That good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So it's more the ride. Yeah, how you get there.

It's really about that first. for me I love when he's like wandering around in the hospital gown there's that awesome shot with the the smiling um billboard in the background it's just yeah I love how inventive and creative and kind of scrappy all that stuff is and great all the sets and yeah yeah I love all that so I can I can forgive the kind of clunky way it wraps up especially because a lot of those soldiers are quite memorable characters too yeah I love they they when they introduce there's there's like a sudden insert of humor going on.

They're talking about like, you Muppet, you're still waiting for Marks and Spencer to reopen all this kind of stuff. It's like, oh, this is like really hilarious like hearing, hearing this stuff,

like a, especially as a Brit myself. Yeah, what do you want a fucking sweetie? Like hearing all this kind of slang and whatnot. It's like funny, which,

yeah, makes it more brutal when it turns and the true motivations are kind of revealed that, yeah, there's something sickening about that.

But yeah, yeah, I agree. It's overall like an excellent, excellent zombie flick. One of the best, one of the best. And yeah, I guess we can do ratings. I'm giving this one a eight out of ten, I think that despite its flaws, it is still really great. Also, I forgot to mention they apparently they shot that end sequence on film and not digital. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. I don't know why necessarily. Maybe there could be a 4K just for that scene. Yeah. It doesn't really, yeah, it doesn't really matter for that scene either. Yeah, exactly. They don't need to be scrappy. It is like a new lens over it, I suppose, because, yeah, they're more hopeful.

There is a happiness to it. I'm like just a tad. I'm like a really, about as low as an 8 out of 10. can be a four star because like that yeah it is a clunky way to wrap up and that that daughter character man like that it'll be a very strong eight out ten without her i feel like um but that it really does injure the movie in a way that is regretful she stinks like what give it 10 years we'll be able to a i replace her okay we'll have the we'll have the perfect we can just make little tweaks, get rid of her.

Yeah, just have like Bella Ramsey play her or something. Nathan Fielder. He's the AI to do it. Dad. Like, I can imagine him doing it actually, pretty well. Like the way that she speaks is basically the same as if, you know, him doing his thing. Yeah, it's so flat, like crazy. Yeah, I wonder if they were on set, like what level it was.

The apartment scene. I'm just imagine. Oh, God. People, you got to keep a list of all the things that I want you to replace with Nathan Fielder. And one, 10 years in the future, we will have the technology. And there will be like a great catalog of films. So just imagining him like at the end of the apartment scene with that Ave Maria cover like starting to play. He's like, you need us more than will we both need each other.

Like that's such a, I can just imagine I'm saying it right now just in the Nathan for you kind of pitch voice. Right. Great film. Okay. Is it time? Is it time for the sequel? Yeah, I guess it's time for the other one.

Yeah, the other one. This is interesting to me, right? Because I was so impressed with how 28 days later it aged, right? It's aged like a fine wine. It was 28 weeks later, it was like milk. Holy crap, I was kind of, I'm kind of shocked because I don't remember it being like this. So bad. I definitely didn't watch it as much as, yeah, days.

But, yeah, 28 weeks later, five years after 28 days later was released, we have director, Juan Carlos Fresna Dillo, a Spanish director, who I'm not really familiar with. I've not seen anything else from him. And three writers, who I'm also not familiar with, no Alex Garland, which I, I have. definitely shows man what a crazy missed opportunity here also a shorter runtime only an hour 40 for this

could afford me yeah true yeah so like the the plot is basically it's basically just like an elaborate excuse to do the first movie again it's like so dumb they there's a time jump that explains that the zombies basically all

died of starvation at a certain point. There's this elaborate opening scene with a Robert Carlyle and his wife in this cabin during the heat of the infection, the heat of the rage virus, and he leaves her, and it, yeah, it leaves this character guilt-ridden, and it's, even that has its problems, honestly, that opening scene with, like, this little little boy showing up. Just the execution of it is kind of muddy, even though I think Danny Boyle actually directed a lot of that scene. Oh, yeah? Uncredited? Yeah, yeah.

Because he was also a producer on the movie. Yeah, that's the one piece of involvement, I'm pretty sure. That's probably why it's like half competent then. It's definitely the best part of the movie is that opening. And it does a good job of establishing that Robert Carlisle character. But to me, that's the most obvious glaring floor is like they establish this character. They give him the stakes. They bring, they have this wife character who you think has died in the opening credits,

but through just these stupid, dumb events, Robert Carlisle's children who were away, I think they were on holiday in Spain, they mentioned, for the outbreak, so they were kind of protected at that time. They've sectioned off part of London that is clear of the virus, but all around it, there are zones that haven't been cleared yet, so I don't know why they're bringing children to that environment to begin with anyway, really dumb. But the kids, of course, have to be kids in a horror movie and go and escape into the danger zone where their house was and they find the mother there.

For no reason at all. And the only thing that they've been told the entire movie is just, hey, just don't, like, go outside the zone. They're like, we're going to sneak out. Meanwhile, it's being surveilled by like snipers. And they're just like, well, they just have. happened to know the one spot near the bridge or something where like I don't know where the sniper's not looking at at noon like I don't know they didn't even go out at night

didn't they they went in like in the middle of the fucking day no no it was yeah it was the middle of the day they like drive a moped around yeah yeah really dumb like how do you want how do you expect to get back in assholes what the fuck are you doing um can a zombie just sneak in yeah they but speaking of uh the last of us that's kind of how they explain how the mother survived. She's kind of like Ellie in the last of us, a carrier. She's not affected by the virus in the same way, which kind of an interesting idea and impetus of a good idea could be explored there, but that's, it's more just an excuse to get the story to a place where they can have another outbreak in London, basically. And why didn't they just fucking eat her, okay? Like you,

like, we saw the zombies break into the room. Just because she isn't affected by the bite in a way that would make her turn into a zombie doesn't mean they wouldn't fucking kill her like what happened with the husband immediately went like he kisses her so dumb he kisses her he gets the virus they could have done with another flashback yeah yeah i mean who cares if there was a flashback it just obviously there was no logical reason for that to happen no no right her but that's the thing it's like some of these things i don't know they could have been cleaned up and some of these things could have been okay in my mind um but it's It's just so, it's so weirdly paced this movie.

Like, by the 35, 40 minute mark, like, anything they'd established is kind of thrown out the window. Like, they kill Robert Carlyle, they kill the mom character. And I guess you're supposed to be invested in the kids. But it's kind of like the first movie where neither of them are particularly good, especially that little boy. And they've got to carry all these scenes. They are about 20 times better than fucking Hannah, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they are better.

But they ain't great. It's just like the whole impetus of the story is like abandoned and there's like nothing to care about it You're supposed to Jeremy Renner is kind of becomes the main character at a certain point He's like the army sniper who has a sympathy for the kids and won't shoot at them and like decides to try and help them out of the The new outbreak that starts happening and the way the outbreak kind of happens is It's like what? What is going on? Robert Carlisles and he kisses his wife and he kisses his wife and who's like strapped up in the bed.

There's no security anywhere. And not under any sort of surveillance, not being watched by any way. Yeah, no surveillance. No cameras or anything. And then like he's running through hallways, infecting all these heavily armed soldiers who somehow don't see him coming and don't put him down. And it turns into a whole epic scale craziness. Even though like the whole half an hour prior, they go out of their way to show how the US military has a presence. Idriselba plays like a military general guy and there's like guns everywhere this like

tired yeah the most incompetent ever yeah it's like what this is so annoying and dumb like the very the way they yeah the if you think the the ending of 28 days is clunky with how they get to that conclusion this is something else like this is schlock but by the time you got like the helicopter pilot like flying through crowds of zombies viscerating them it's like this This is pure schlock right here. This is like dumb. This is so stupid. Very.

It's kind of like, it feels like, it feels like a Hollywood interpretation of like if like the, a Hollywood team sees 28 days later and it's like, we can do that. Let's do that. That's how it feels. You know, the CG planes and helicopters flying around and all the like, just taking all the wrong stuff and trying to just missing the whole stylistic flair and yeah, subtleness of that first movie and just. really, really missing the ball.

Yeah. I'm pissed off. Well, so like, this is a film that was really well received at the time. Yeah. It's actually got a higher meta school than the original. Yeah. Somehow. And there's a bunch of people,

not insignificant amount of people, that like this better than the first movie. And I don't know if they would still say that today. Maybe they haven't watched it in a while. But there's like, you go through IMDB. You can see some of the reviews on there. from like 2007 and eight or whatever people are at the time this really worked for people and i remember feeling alone watching this and not having like a huge love for it because i remember watching it and being

like not really getting much out of it when i was younger people like what are you talking about it's like the best i'm i'm struggling to understand what people got out of it or if it's just the weird like sort of military boner and all the like cool chat dialogue and all the dumb cool music or something like is that what really connects with people i'm not sure or here's another explanation that fucking music that they use three or four times laughing at that yeah it's it's embarrassing they use it as a crutch and in the opening scene it's like just try to imagine the opening scene without the music it's not like the worst thing ever like the opening scene still is fine and there's really intense imagery, you know, those zombies running over the hill and him

like barely making out, like, most competent part of the entire movie easily. Yeah. But the way that they keep repeating that song, which in the first movie only got played once at the very end, remember, this film, they're literally just using, like, they're, they're spamming it because without it, the movie isn't, you're really not going to get that tone. You're really not going to get that much out of the scene in most. of the scenes that they use it in.

It is a insane crunch. It's the same composer, I think. I think it's still Murphy, but apparently you only had two weeks to score it. Wow. He did the rest of the music, too? I was shocked. That's shocking, because I would have assumed by hearing it that it was someone else that did the music and they were just trying to emulate John Murphy's style.

Yeah. I don't know if it's better or worse that he phoned it in. Because I kind of appreciate that he didn't. try in some way. Yeah, well, I already composed to this like by, yeah. Try, just, just use this three times. It's not a good movie anyway.

So. No, no. Yeah. The directing's not good. No, it's actually kind of funny at points. Yeah. Like what they're trying to do this. There's like a random like wipe in there.

Like, I don't know if they were trying to be. Oh, that was really funny. Like, stylish like Danny Boyle, but like, yes, so much weird stylistic stuff that like just didn't. work. Lots of slow-mo, like another kind of 2007. Yeah. Sort of tropey. Like, not good slow-mo either.

Like, it looks corny. It looks silly. Choppy, dumb slow-mo. And the fucking flashbacks and the repeats, too. There was a part where the main dad dude is like explaining to his kids, like, I just, you know, I tried to go back for her. She wasn't there. And it's like, like, the flashbacks that are, A, reminding us of a scene that happened

literally like 15 minutes ago and it was the only other notable thing that happened in the movie. So you didn't need to show it. And then B, they play the same clips multiple times and then slow it down. And it felt like a fucking Tim and Eric sketch where you hear the zombie, they pitch shifted the zombie noise lower and it was like, and then, ha,

it was like, this is comedic. Like this is really, really bad. It aged terribly. Yeah. So I'm, I feel a little vindicated not having been,

been, you know, loved this movie when it was out. It was in my rotation and I definitely watched it probably like six times or something when I was younger, just maybe thinking that I would enjoy it even though I didn't remember much about it. Now I'm older and it's not just, oh, I don't remember much about it. It's, this is actively bad. This is actively bad. I'm glad I'm fucking writing notes and doing a podcast about this so I don't make that mistake

again. Yeah, I had a similar experience because I would have been, I don't know, like 13 at the time, zero critical faculty. But there was something like I didn't watch this one like I watched 28 days later. Like I never revisited this since. And yeah, it's clear why. But there's this whole, there's this whole angle. I was really curious to know if you'd pick up. The geography in this movie is horrendous.

Incomprehensible. It's like super. Yeah. It's so irritating. And it's clearly, well, see if you agree with me on this. To me, it seemed like they just wanted to use London iconography, but without it making any sense whatsoever. Oh, I didn't pick up on that at all, actually. Yeah, yeah.

So they're going from kind of landmark to landmark. They're showing Big Ben. They're going to Trafalgar Square. They're going to various, like, football stadiums and whatnot. But in a way that if you looked at like a map from above of like the directions they were going, it's like they're leaving central London going back into. central London going to the other side of London and it's like what is super annoying because the first movie is not like that I wouldn't necessarily bring that up if it wasn't something that betrays that first movie but the first movie is actually

really logical and sensical in the kind of journey they go on across the country they probably up to Manchester in that original the the first film is so iconic and there's so much about it that is just ingrained in pop culture that this film feels like kind of a misinterpretation of that they probably just saw like Oh, yeah, so the first film had all these, these landmarks in London. We just put more landmarks in it, like, without really understanding why it made it work. That's what's crazy. There's like a broadness to this movie that seems like it's pandering to an American audience,

which is so strange with the, like, setting with having Robert Carlisle seemingly as the lead. But then, yeah, you have Jeremy Renner and Rose Byrne as these, like, Army soldiers which I think is also hilarious like the the way the the army is depicted in this movie compared to in 28 days is like a really funny contrast Because it's very like who rah in a yeah Oh yeah it tries to be cool and like the soundtrack does too so which is also why I was kind of surprised to hear that it was John Murphy again There's this really irritating and just gross tone of like yeah what you're seeing right now This is modern and it's super cool And like the

The soundtrack just really exemplifies that And so props to John Murphy For understanding what the fucking film was going for And complimenting it Yeah, it's not what I want to hear But damn Like the whole unironic Really boring chatter between the snipers

Really I want to screw your wife dude I'm not gay You're not you're gay Maybe I'm the not gayest It's like basically the whole All the dialogue Yeah

Yeah It's It sounded like video game characters Kind of when they were like chatting Mm-hmm Like well tango got to take them out And then also like strategically Yeah

Strategically What the fuck They put all the civilians in a room And turned out the lights Yeah What do they do that? They're trapped them in there. And then they're like, oh, we can't tell us that civilians are zombies.

We're snipers. Everybody's just running. And then over the radio, they're like, we've lost control. You have permission to shoot civilians now. It's like, well, did you run out of zombies? Like, maybe you wanted to shoot the zombies first. Are you just going to shoot everyone? It makes the U.S. military look like completely incompetent, you know?

Yeah. Which is another funny contrast, like the way they have that building locked down in the original. They've got like a perimeter, they got trip mines. They have it pretty much covered. Like it only goes wrong because of Killian's input pretty much. Whereas here they're like, yeah, it's the whole force of the US army. They've got like machine guns. They have million snipers and it still gets out of control to the point where they've got a like carpet bomb the entirety of central London.

All through everything is like complete ineptitude. just because it happens because of these kids basically. These kids unravel this whole, the whole army of a country. Can't even blame the country. The biggest military in the world. They're allowing this to happen. If a kid can do that, that's your fault.

If you're going to allow the kids to do this, like this is entirely your fault for not having a properly secured perimeter. And then bringing them back and then like the, having the mom not even be like watched, just the dad, their kisses or blah blah blah like there's no reason why any of this had to happen and it's just a bunch of nonsense and it wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't so excruciatingly slow like 30 minutes into the fucking movie barely anything has happened it's just the opening scene and the dad being

like i lie i'm lying about the mom and that's it like they're fucking walking riding their bikes around london dicking around doing nothing we got these fucking like pretend jump scares the two in a row at the helicopter. He's like, boo! He's like, ha ha, I'm scaring you. I laughed at the second one. Yeah, the second one was so stupid. Did it just skip?

Yeah. God, it's so, like, this is a horrendous movie. This is a very bad movie. So much worse than I remember it being. Visually, it looks fucking awful. The lighting, the pretend nighttime lighting where everything is just like, okay, you didn't shoot this at night. And you're just putting like a weird filter over it, pretending it's night. Yeah.

Again, missing the point of the original. like griminess and the scrappiness of it like yeah they were shooting at 4 in the morning they did what they had to they did what made sense with the like limited nature of the script but the scope is just too big for what they needed to do because yeah they couldn't they couldn't shoot at night because all the buildings would have lights on so yeah they had to do this awkward it's like it was like a new technique for this movie like shooting in daytime making it look like nighttime quote quote but it just looks like garbage yeah yeah it's hilarious. It came out five years after 28 days and it looks so much worse. Way worse. The effects are

terrible. That fucking digital eyeball thing. Yeah. All the CG like planes and helicopters. Oh yeah. The smoke and fire looked awful. Those explosions when like the fucking when the streets are blowing up, that reminded me of twisted pair. Those awful CG explosions reminded me of twisted pair like it's basically that it's basically that people loved this movie yeah yeah that that's what was kind of shocking to me and there might be some people that still love it and if and if you're a person that loves this movie right now I would recommend watch it again and see if you still feel that way because there's things that were acceptable for 2007 maybe that you know would be fine for the average person that I don't I don't know if you could show this as a new movie today

without it being like clowned on. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if it would have the same impact. Almost double the budget at the original too. Yeah. 15 million dollar budget. Yeah.

This got a, this had the excuse of being in 2007. Like, it got away with it somehow. Damn. I want to read some of these metascore critic reviews. Yeah, do it.

Super corny. It is schlock. It's crazy schlock. It's zombie schlock. Yeah. I don't, I don't like. you mentioned the

locations I just hate how I never really get a feel for the environment because everything is just so closely shot every shot is just way too tight tightly framed and there's no

there's no sense of location in the same way as the first film it doesn't feel like set pieces it just feels like this mesh this fucking jello of scenery and so much of it is at nighttime.

And there's nothing, even with different locations that technically happen in this film, everything is just so forgettable. Like, there's nothing memorable about any of these locations or anything that happens in any of these locations or how the locations are used in what happens. Like, barely anything fucking happens. And the stuff that happens is all insanely boring. Which is a shame because, like, in theory and concepts, some of these locations could have really cool memorable potential. Like when they're underground at the end, like in the old,

well, not even the old, just the underground tube lines, like that you could do such a cool set piece down there. Like, you know, I keep bringing up the Last of Us, but in The Last of Us part two, there's that really memorable set piece that's all like in underground trains and this like harsh lighting and all these particles flying around. You could do so much with some of these settings. Like, you're in central London. Like there's so many different places you could go and yeah they just completely squander it like the only scene i i remembered from this before we watching it was the the sniper dodging scene which kind of is illuminating in retrospect it's like why is that the scene i remember from the yeah i don't know why i always remembered that scene and it's

not even a good scene but that's just like the barely what i grasped onto in terms of like if if someone were to point a gun to my head and ask me what happened in the movie that's what i would talk about like five, 10 years ago or however long, like when I was younger and I didn't remember anything about it. Like for some reason that stuck out stuck out. Yeah, me. It's the anything I remembered. Oh, there's a hilarious review here from the Chicago Tribune. Swift, vicious and grimly imaginative. The zombie film 28 weeks later exceeds its predecessor 28 days later in every way. In every way. In every way.

Yeah. And so, yeah, you have all these like little snippet reviews of like actual publications and actual critics, Boston Globe, the script is biting and timely. I'm just trying to think, what about the script is a positive? What about the script is a positive? Out of all the things to pick out about the film and say why you enjoyed it, what about the script can you possibly say is good? Like, I just, I want to, I want to know. I can remember like a single good line of dialogue where that's what we're talking about for a big chunk of the 28 days later, like, loads of memorable lines, loads of great character work, loads of memorable stuff. The dialogue is really nothing.

The pacing sucks. And then the sequence of events is just like, dumb. So what, what, what, what about the script? What about the script? It's just like simple, basic stuff. There's no, like, perspective character. It would be like if 40 minutes into 28 days later, they killed off Killian, Murphy. It's like, oh, so there's nothing to anchor this. It's like, feels really scatterbrain

after they kill the Scottish fella. Like, it's just a baffling decision. Yeah. There's nothing to anchor the story or, like, focus on. It's like jumping character to character in a way that doesn't even seem like intentional, like they're trying to do something unique with, like, passing off the baton to different characters who are like frantically trying to escape the city. It doesn't feel satisfying. It just feels like a bunch of squandered potential. Well, like, everything's just like a waste of time. Like, why even, why do you even do that intro if it's all this, like, big, nihilistic excuse to explain how the virus gets to Paris?

It's like, it's kind of like miserable, like, where it ends up, you know? It's like not even like a fun adventure. It just sucks. Yeah. Yeah. It's insanely boring, basically in comprehensible. every I don't understand

how I'm supposed to care about anything that's happening the entire movie because I don't care about the kids and then the way like even in I can I can as I was watching the movie I was like imagining

thing like being the type of person to think that something's really intense or effective in that movie so like the part where they're all in the trapped in the room in the dark and the lights go out and stuff like sure like conceptually there's something pretty scary about, you know,

oh, zombies are happening and it's all dark. It's dark now. But then, like, I look at how it's filmed. There's, like, a fucking, it's the same issue with the dissent part, too, where there's, like, implied dark, but it's not dark. And there's like a fucking rave party going on in the vents for some reason. I'm like, where's the, who's flashing the flashlight around, like, just in the vents behind the kid?

Like, I guess it's implied that it's supposed to be reflective from something else. Then you have, like, the night vision scene later in the film, where, you know, it's from the perspective of the night vision sniper or whatever. She's like, no, watch, watch out, step over this dead body. They're like going over an escalator. I'm like, that's a good concept for a scene. But then it just shows the reverse shot and it shows the sniper's face with real lighting because they couldn't fucking help themselves.

And now I'm like, okay, well, it's not pitch black because I can see your face. Why do you have to show that? You could have done the entire thing from the sniper, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, night vision perspective that would have been so much more effective how can they show that in a movie and not understand that that ruins the audience's ability to to feel as though it's dark when you're showing that it's not yeah i guess it worked fine for the editing kind of trick allow of the the tension in that scene just doesn't come together it's like they it's like they're impatient with their own material they won't let it sit long enough so they just want to rush to robert

carlowe coming in and killing rose burns like we haven't even mentioned the Like, we had Robert Carlisle, I don't know what they were trying to do with that character, where once he becomes a zombie, he's like the Don zombie. He's like following him around and disappearing like Batman. Yeah. He's in the background of a shot and then he disappears. And it's like, based on everything else that happens in the movie, you can't really tell if that's something that happened in the character's head or if that just really happened.

Yeah. Like, it could be that dumb that it just really happened. My interpretation is that it actually did happen. I think that's what he's trying to say, was that he's, like, following them as a way to try and explain how he's there at the end anyway. Because they carpet bomb the whole city. Like, they show the mother character being eviscerated by the fire, but, like, he's hiding. That's right. He, like, he, like, hides behind a pillar as it's being, like, carpet bombed.

That's funny. And he, like, survive somehow. He's the smartest zombie. Yeah, I don't know what they're trying to say with that. He has a lot of agency and knows how to plan things. And he only wants to bite like one kid. He's locked on to a target forever and he knows how to stealth his way to catch them off guard later in the film instead of just running towards them and biting them immediately. He'll bite his time.

He'll play the long con. But then doesn't even achieve it anyway because the little boy, they explain through the different eye colors. Clearly, he's also a carrier. So when he's bitten. It's basically a Neil Green thing too. true you know like the weird I thing and like it was in the background of this it's great

I just it's it's this is this is one of the most baffling movies in terms of like audience and critical response being so unanimously positive and not just when it came out but a lot of people like if you look on Reddit like there's posts in the past like fucking month probably that I've read on like

the movie subreder people just being like yeah 28 weeks later it's like better than the first like what a great sequel it's one of the few great sequels or something. Like, it's horrendous, like, it's really, really bad. It's not even like, it's not even just like, oh, this is not for me. This is like, this is embarrassing. It's like really pathetic. Yeah. I'm not sure if I've had such a like extreme dissonance with how a film sat in my memory and then like revisiting it like a decade later. It's like, oh my God, this is like hilariously bad. It's not, it's not just like forgettable. It's like actually

like embarrassing. It really sucks, especially when you're contrasting it with, like, watching it right after 28 days later. And yeah, it has aged so well and there's like so much to appreciate. And then you like, load to this. And it's like, oh, this is really trapped in 2007. This is, yeah, this is really aged poorly. Yeah, another one of these reviews saying, this might be the man to adapt Cormac McCarthy's post-apocalyptic novel, The Road. What?

What are you talking about? Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, there's a real disconnect there. Very bizarre. And I'm looking, you know, I'm looking for these actual full reviews so I can get their full perspective and they're just like gone. The Chicago Tribune one, Michael Phillips, click on the link.

It just doesn't show up. You try to look at it in Google. It doesn't show up. It's too old. It's one of those things where like, I guess they weren't publishing. It wasn't that common to be publishing that material online in the first place in 2007. No. So maybe they just never.

of the papers or whatever. Yeah, we'd have to find scans of the favors, you're right? I don't, yeah, I don't know. Why would they remove that? Was that online at any point? I'm looking for, like, any one of these reviews, and they're all real critics. Like, I've seen the name A.O. Scott before.

Michael Phillips, Chicago Tribune, yeah. Like, these are real. Yes, like, in Statement Weekly, Variety, Hollywood Reporter. Yeah. So they're all showing up, like, 404, page not found, like, every single one of these. I don't know if that's a thing that generally happens in movies from like 2008 when you try to find the... It's that awkward period where, yeah, the... Yeah.

Yeah. The documentation just doesn't up to snuff. Yep. Yep. Yeah, what else do we say about it? It's genuinely horrendous. It's genuinely like shit. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Because I was like at first, I was trying to appreciate it in ways and be like, yeah this is yeah people like this i remember kind of digging this people it's got good meta scores with lots of like high ratings and then just over time you kind of start laughing at it like i was losing it at that helicopter scene it's like this is like the dumbest shit this is so ridiculous this is missing the point yeah i was i was looking at some of these reviews um after i was doing my uh watch along stream and uh uh i uh I opened up one of them.

You sort by like 10 out of 10 on the IMDBU service. Oh, here I found it. Here. Yeah. There we go. 10 out of 10, so October 2007, this one, I love this one. 10 out of 10, 28 weeks later, the best horror film ever made. 28 weeks later is the best horror film ever.

If you disagree, you are a thick, clueless idiot. You have serious issues and you should consider killing yourself and I hate you. Oh, my God. Oh, that's like a flashback to the old Western. Oh yeah I love I love IMDB reviews but you know what people people shit on IMDB but you get like earnest things there right I'm I would rather have this like just a window into someone's very sad mind than for every fucking top review to just be like I poop my pants like some meme like that's what letterbox is to me like everybody's just like the most

disingenuous like no one's being earnest and it's like even if you are than you're not even going to get seen on the website because people are just voting fucking memes. Yeah, those I&B reviews, they capture the zeitgeist better than these critic ones at least. At least they're still there. Yeah, if I want to understand, or at least attempt to understand

what people were thinking at one point in time or what people think about a particular film, you can get that from the IMDB reviews. A lot of 10 out of 10 ratings on this one. A lot of 10 out of full 10 reviews, a lot of people saying it's like better than the first. and yeah I don't get it it's not the writing sucks it sucks mm-hmm they could have made it better if there was a scene where they brought back Killian Murphy and then he built like a

bomb and then Jeremy Renner had to diffuse it then that would have probably made it better they'll do that in 28 months later yeah they're like nostalgia cash grab version apparently Danny was like still interested in doing that they all keep teasing every single one of them Danny Boyle, Alex Garland, and Killian Murphy. They'll be asked about it in an interview and they're like, well, if the other ones want to do it, I'll do it, but, you know.

And then, like, you just never hear them making actual plans to do it. Yeah. We're coming up to the point in time, like in real time. Like, what, 2030? We'll be 28 years after the first film. So you never know.

If there's a time, that's the time, that's the time. 28 years, I don't know. Yeah, man. They need Alex Garland there. Danny Bulls are very talented director, but he needs that script in there too. Needs that screenplay.

Does Alex Garland still do screenplays for other people, or is he just doing his own? I think he mostly does his own thing. I wonder what would happen if he directed it instead of Danny. True, yeah. I can get down with that. I like his work a lot, actually. Yeah.

I always want to check out his stuff. It could be an interesting direction. And surely after the fucking existing sequel, a breath of fresh air. There has to be an idea for the story. Because it really feels like to me they had the title first and then worked backwards. Of course. Yeah, 28 weeks late. That's genius.

How do we make that work? How do we make that happen? Apparently, like Garland's one bit of input was the in the opening kind of montage where it's saying, after this many weeks, this happened after this. That's like the one bit he added. I still have that soundtrack in my mind. It's not great. I think I liked the score a lot more when I was younger.

I think I liked the score. But now it's just like, yeah, very dated and very overly cool and just fuck. Uh-huh. Well, because when you're young, it's just like you love the original and then there's just more of that thing you love. So it doesn't even really matter its quality. You're just going to, it's the sequel. So it's more of it. Yeah.

Nice. Yeah. Yeah, this was crazy re-watching. Like, I was, yeah, I was quite, I was quite shocked by, uh, how it missed the point. It was an uh-oh, stinky. Entirely. Every single good thing about days is, like, misinterpreted and not able to be, uh, reimagined or, uh, expanded on in any meaningful way.

It's all, like, quite the inverse, actually. Yeah. embarrassing people out there rewatch this yeah rewatch this if you remember it like we do

or how the critics do or whatever it's quite it's quite a strange experience that I haven't really had yeah I can't even think of another time where to this degree anyway

like I've had movies I've liked as a kid and been like well that was yeah like a dumb it's like a bionical movie or some shit yeah

there's no there aren't critics saying it's like an eight out of 10 or whatever you know 10 out of 10 something different. Praising the writing.

That's crazy. Yeah, I think I think everybody needs to collectively sit down and rewatch this film. Yeah, everybody. Especially after rewatching the original. Like, rewatch the original, rewatch this film. Yeah. Let me know if you still feel that way. Leave a comment.

I'm very fascinated by what in this movie isn't like absolute dog shit other than maybe parts of the opening scene or something. Two out of ten, fucking gigantic turd. It's so bad. It's horrendous. It's genuinely horrendous. I'm struggling to even justify giving it a two because it is like,

they did not understand the assignment, you know? Like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, this might be a half stuff for me, honestly. Like, it was really shocking. Like how kind of a nept it was. All the wrong decisions, all the wrong focus. points. Yeah. Age horribly looks horrible, bad scripts. All the set pieces are like skimmed

over or not focused or memorable. The geography is just, God, God, that was bugging me. It's just like, what? How they, how they jump in bro? What? Where are they going? Why are they doing that? This doesn't make any sense. How are they at Trafalgo Square now? How are they by the tape modern right now? It felt really like pandering like, yeah, to a broad audience that the original or didn't feel like it needed to do. Yeah, putting in those flashbacks, putting in all this stuff that's like, oh, the audience won't remember that scene

from a half an hour ago. All this kind of stuff. Like, man, nah, no, no. Go away. Terrible. Yeah. No. I'm going to forget about everything in this movie in a week.

And but now we, now I've, I already had my story yesterday. Yeah, it's just, it's so forgettable. And I've seen this movie, I swear this is like the seventh time I've seen it. But when I'm younger and I don't remember, anything about a movie. I just I had a bit more naivete or optimism or I was I was not as experienced in

my own experience. But now I know pretty confidently if there's something that I know I watched when I was younger and I can't remember anything about it might be fucking boring. It might be because it's really bad. Depending on the movie I guess. But you know, fuck. Yeah. Terrible, terrible bad. Yeah, yeah, really disappointed by that. I have a note in my notes that says

random crank zoom shot on a house for no reason in the middle of the motorbike scene. Do you remember that part? Oh yeah. It's just like they zoom in on a random house in the middle of a scene for no reason. It's like, is that you thinking that you're emulating Danny Boyle's style

just like a random crank zoom shot that has nothing to do with the rest of the scene that you're filming? There are a lot of moments like that where it's like, yeah, stylistically strange. Like the wipe is the crazy one to me. Editing is just incomprehensible. That really slow wipe. This is like, what?

This tonally is very strange. That was one of the funniest moments. Yeah. So bad. All right. Question time. Let's do it. Yeah.

Let's do a couple questions here from the Sardonicas community. Head over to the suggestion thread over on the subreddit where I'll leave a little thread where you can ask us. Anything you fancy, just like SGT underscore Flatbread did? Yeah, I'm curious to get your opinion on this one, because I miss this because I think this news dropped while I was in Toronto and we're at TIF.

On the topic of Sam Levinson, being a hack, did you guys know that he actually took over the role of director on Euphoria from Petra Collins, a young artist and photographer? She's now coming out saying he ripped off a majority of her ideas and is pawning them off as his own. Uh-oh. She apparently did a majority of the pre-production for the first season, and then before shooting, was forced to step down by HBO with the reason given being her lacking experience.

Comparing Euphoria to Collins' artwork, I personally feel it shows Levinson stole a lot of the show's visual style from her artwork as well. Thoughts. Also, I love the podcast. Been a fan since episode one. Thanks for all the laughs and entertainment boys. So I can send you an article here, and I've got the quote. that is going around or was going around the other day from her. It was from an interview with punked.

So this is her quote, right? I tell you the truth about that series that was never told. I never talked about this publicly because it's such a crazy thing. But basically the reason I moved to L.A. was because Sam Levinson, who directed the show, he reached out to my agency and told, I wrote a show based on your photos. Will you direct it?

So I moved to L.A. and worked for HBO for about five months. I was like, I am directing the show. I created a whole world for it. I did the casting, whatever, and the last minute HBO was like, we're not hiring you because you're too young. And I was like, fine, okay, thank you so much. They won't take my version of the show, obviously. I was so naive, they'll just do another one.

So it was fine. I learned a lot, it was interesting. And a year later, I walked out my apartment, yeah, I walked out my apartment and see this billboard, and it's exactly what I am, a copy of my work. I started crying. I was so shocked. I mean, it happens to me so many times in my career, but not on a scale like that.

It was so intense to me because this is the aesthetic that I've built all my life. And now I have to change it because it enters the mainstream and it's been taken away from me. The worst thing was when people were unknowingly saying the show looks like my photos. That sucks. Hmm. Suspicious. That really sucks. Mm.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not like a new thing for Hollywood slash entertainment for, you know, these people, they picture script or something, some idea, some concept, and then they're let down. And then like a year later they see it's been just completely aped or stolen or whatever. But it's quite an egregious one, joining this pile of Sam Levinson dramas, of course, hot off the idol. I guess it's now okay to be dropping this kind of stuff. really unfortunate if what she's saying is true. Yeah, I'll have to, you know, I would want to dig into it. Right now it's just one of those things where it's like, I'm willing to believe it because Sam Levinson's just such a fucking hack anyway. Yeah, that's the thing where it's like the evidence that's piling up. Yeah, when I'm already looking for an explanation as to how he could have created something

good and then everything else's shit, then it kind of just like it fits that sort of, you know, It's creating a narrative that I want to believe. Yeah. Because you thought, yeah, that first season's standing out more and more. Yeah, I would have to look at some comparisons and stuff. And also just, yeah, I mean, the fact that she worked on it, it's not like, oh, there's a lion in the jungle. You made a show, and then there's a lion in the jungle there. And there's also other animals.

Like, this isn't just a wild, like, oh, this is being created tons of places in the world. This is like, oh, you had an actual involvement on it. and now someone else's name is on it basically. So, yeah, like, who knows how much of it's his or hers, but, wow, it sounds like kind of unsurprising and annoying. And all you have to do is, yeah, if you just search, like, Petra Collins, look on Google images, like, yeah, definitely these, these photographs, this, the styling is very, there's a lot of overlap for sure as far as, like, that visual presentation, especially if she did that much,

like, pre-production work on it, like, man. Mm-hmm. That really sucks for her. Yeah, that's very interesting. But hopefully, you know, with her coming out and saying this, she gets to kind of reclaim her style and be able to do more and maybe get some actual projects. So, yeah, that's so, that makes things so extra bizarre

because of him and, you know, taking over, replacing Amy Simets' vision on the idol. True, yeah. You know? So now it's like. Like, okay, is this just what he does? And just shows up and says he's in charge or like HBO is willing to put him in charge or something.

Yeah. Born to the right father. And then, yeah, just. Yeah. Let's do this one from LVS Gators. Adam, now that you're visiting Atlanta more as an Atlanta native, what's your favorite thing about the city? Plastic straws

Plastic straws Oh well because everywhere in Canada We're trying to be like Oh we're gonna do paper straws To like pretend we're making a difference And yeah All the straws in Toronto were plastic from memory Not all of them there were some

The Starbucks had the paper ones And then some of the But I think there was maybe like One bar that had plastic straws And then a bunch of the, a bunch of them, fuck, what was that really good bar called? Those, that place had metal stras. I'm going to shout out the name of this bar.

I'm just going to find out of the phone. Oh, that was cool. Yeah, find the name. The one without a menu. Civil liberties. Really great cocktails there. Yeah. Fantastic bars, shouting out civil liberties.

They had metal stras. That was cool. And then I think a bunch of places did this kind of like, biodegradable plastic but not plastic sort of thing, like hybrid. I don't know. in Vancouver there's too many places with paper straws it pisses me off we got to move away from that like I get it we want to pretend we're doing something for the environment but like at a certain point it's just like what we saw one video of a turtle like what are we doing

there's clearly better options if we I don't know it's we need something better than paper if we want to get rid of plastic stras we need something better than paper is that really your favorite thing about the city well I need to Here's the thing. I need to explore more about the city. So far, I have had a good time, surprisingly gay in Atlanta.

You wouldn't think that for... Yeah, I wouldn't expect that. American South, but, you know, it's a capital city of the state, Georgia. So all the...

Yeah, yeah. You know, more liberal or more divergent or queer people will probably congregate in the cities. So it makes sense. Yeah, I'm trying to think about...

I'm like a foodie and there's some restaurants that I've really enjoyed here. Ooh, I like the... I like that there's grits. I like grits. You can't find good grits in Canada. Seafood's pretty good. There's a fun American excessiveness

that I'm not sure if I love. Well, it's in terms of food or... Yeah, like in terms of food and like portions and like what the food is and like everything's fried and everything's greasy. And it's like I like to have healthy options. And there's there's some healthy options here and there. I like that now and again, but doesn't it just make you feel like sick after a while? Yeah, everybody's kind of just used to it. And everybody's just, I guess, expecting to die early.

And that's fine for everybody. I guess that's one way to live. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I need to, a lot of my time spent. here has just been, you know, fucking watching movies and stuff anyway. Like, I need to explore more in the city. There's a nice kind of like indie theater. The Plaza Atlanta is like the theater for stuff.

Like, you know, you'd find the Neil, Neil Breen film there and some lesser new things. That's nice. Yeah, I got to do a bit more exploring. Okay. Let's do a couple more here. like this one from Bong Sucker. Do you have any thoughts on the overwhelming success of the One Piece live action or plans to watch it?

Personally, I'm a bit in shock at how well it's being received across the board, having now broken the previous Netflix record held by Wednesday and Stranger Things as the most popular debut show on the platform. I can't think of any other live action adaptation anime or otherwise that has this level of praise. I really don't think it's much better

than the average live action adaptation, aside from the 150 million that went into making some impressive sets. but I'm clearly in an extreme minority. I'm wondering how much this will fuel the trend for future live action adaptations and curious what you think of the situation. See, I'm so put off the idea of One Piece

just because of how long that fucking story is how it's like a thousand plus episodes. I was going to say, I remember trying when I was a kid and just like, yeah, it's just going to get canceled before it's concluded. Like you're never going to catch up. Yeah, are they going to condense this? Yeah, what's the point? it. Yeah, I don't know about that one. Maybe I'll watch an episode

because I'm a little bit curious. Because everyone instantly poo-pooed the Cowboy Bibop Netflix show. And it was bad. I watched like an episode of that. Yeah, the fact people are actually enjoying this, that is interesting. But I don't know.

Maybe the, it's a huge fan base that One Piece, they are, they are tenacious. There's One Piece fans. So I don't know if there's just enough of them to to carry it or what. I also kind of want to see it. It might be creepy because the main characters I made out of rubber, right?

You're like stretches like... I didn't know anything about it. Fantastic. I haven't seen the original and I don't know anything about this shit. There might be some stretchy, funny thingies going on, but I don't know. I don't know. Would you ever give it a shot?

How many episodes has it got? I mean, it's... Nine. It's only nine episodes right now. I don't... Well, I don't know. I don't know. I can't make any promises. Yeah, I might. Yeah, I'm not going to promise right now, but I might, I might check out an episode and see what we're talking about. Any interesting directors on him? Just looking at episode one, Mark Jobs, directed it. Okay, director of Daredevil. I like that. Director of Hannibal. I like that.

Okay. Maybe I will. But yeah, I just am off put. It's like too, it's too much, man. There's too much One Piece. I know people love it, but man. Yeah, what's the point? Like, what's the point of the live action adaptation? If it's never, the actors won't live long enough to see the end of the series. Like, what are you, you done 10 episodes, you're 1% of the way there and the other show's still going.

I wonder how much season one, like, covers, like, percentage-wise of what is already out. Yeah, maybe they condensed it. If it's like less than 5%, like, I don't know if I can, I don't know if I can get one with that. Maybe there's a bunch of filler arcs in the original or something that. Yeah, maybe. And then you just have to wonder, like, how much of the story even matters beyond a certain point.

Like, people are still watching One Piece, right? Like, people are still watching it. The anime. Yeah, yeah. It's still coming out, right? It doesn't have an ending. Never end. Oh, man.

I can just keep going. I don't, yeah, I don't know how to feel about that. It's kind of, it's too intimidating to ever start. Yeah, that's kind of how I'm feeling. Fucking, it's, it's taken me, like just a regular TV show will often take me fucking months to get through just because I'm so busy with shit. Yeah, I just borrowed the anime berserk off a friend. I'd rather check that out first.

I know that's, it's got an ending. Exactly. There's only a couple seasons or something. Yeah. Yeah, I'd soon I watch that to be honest Then start getting down The One Piece train

Yeah, I don't It's, it's just way too I can't You can't do it right now Call me when I'm not this busy In fucking 30 years Hmm Should we end on this one from

Humane sadness Over here So Gasper no way Famously said Watching gravity While High on Ket was the best cinematic experience of his life.

Oh shit. What is your best cinematic experience? That probably would be mad. I've got to say, with all the, all this shit I've been talking about Agrodrift, it's definitely probably up there from being 100% honest. That was like a very good cinematic experience. Not because, and hardly even because of the movie, you know. Just super memorable.

The energy of the crowd. Yeah, just pretty much everything I've seen at midnight or like later where people are already a little bit like wasted It's like a certain energy to yeah the right type of movie in that environment. It's not it's not ruining it. Yeah, exactly, that that energy is hard to match. Yeah, with colliewood at Tiff that was epic They all showed up. Yeah, so jealous so jealous of Midnight Madness. We got a live VJ Emmy doing the VJing for the movie. That was fucking it was incredible. I was so, so jealous of that one. That sounds so golden. Yeah. That'd be great if it could just happen again at some point.

Who knows? They'll do another film, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. That'd be great for it to be at Tiff. The fucking, the live VJ Emmy was so great. It was just sat on stage just the whole time, just. He was like off to the side, I think. Oh, okay.

He was on the mic or whatever. I don't remember. they set it up but it was oh man yeah that was a memorable very valuable theater experience i've had well if we're gonna go like gaspar noe high on ket gravity i wonder if you watch that in the theaters on ketamine wouldn't be surprised and also ketamine like doesn't last the whole length of a movie i don't think you'd have to just keep re-upping he'd have to bring ketamine into the movie theater unless he watched it at home yeah i don't know i don't know the context fully on this one I'm afraid.

Mm-hmm. K-holds. Yeah, he's in the K-hole for gravity. That's an interesting thing to say. Gaspar is so funny. Yeah. He's such a character, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I love weirdos. Oh, gravity is only short, an hour and a half, yeah. It's only an hour and a half. I wonder if I'll revisit that one. Wouldn't be a bad podcast recommendation in the future. True, true. It's just, yeah, just not crazy about Sandra Burke. Mm-hmm.

is very well made from memory. Yeah, I, uh, there's a, there's another experience that I had with a movie that I'm going to talk about in a video, hopefully that's out by the end of the year, but I don't know. I'm trying to find the right way to say it and I'm trying to find the time to do it justice. Mm. Yeah, the right vocabulary. I've just been fucking recording all my TIF shit this week. Trying to get a, some videos out before the month ends.

I'm at VIF really soon and then maybe some time at the end of October and November. But yeah, I'm just trying to figure things out. I'm fine with one more question if you want to do one more. Okay, let me find a good one to end on then. Okay. Okay, this one's kind of interesting. Brough-Rozone. What film would be improved by making it longer?

I got an answer for this being Blackberry. I thought it was very well-paced. But when it wrapped up, I was like, I could watch another half-fran hour of that. I feel like I could easily have sat through more of that. And it sticks in my mind because it's such a rare thought for me to have. I wish there was more of that. Like I wish that was longer. Like a, yeah.

Yeah. Apparently that's getting like a longer release. Yeah. So, yeah, hearing on the Jay episode, him saying that there's like a TV cut with like more stuff in. Yeah, that'll be. Oh, okay. That's cool. That will probably scratch that itch, yeah.

I feel this way about, when I watched the original Little Mermaid, there's like this point in time with the Disney Renaissance stuff where they made movies really short and things probably could have been fleshed out a bit more purely because animation is just so expensive. So expensive and time consuming. Yeah. So something like that.

Yeah, I started rewatching that movie the other day actually because I watched the Disney one. sorry the remake the other night yeah yeah new Disney and was like oh man I got to flush this out my brain a little bit so yeah on the original it's like

oh this this rocks this is like the music's awesome the visuals are great yeah I need to finish that still but yeah that's an interesting one they are so brief yeah every every year there'll be something where I'm like man you could have just kept kept that going

and I would have kept watching it but I you know at the end of the day I also recognize it's better to have something short and sweet that you want more out of than for something to overstay it's welcome because you can just watch the movie again definitely you know yeah if you really want more you can just watch the movie again but when something's too long then it kind of like harms the experience a bit in ways where you know you almost want like a different edit things to be cut out mm-hmm the short version yeah yeah yeah be careful what you wish for, I guess.

Yeah. I feel like agro drift could have been longer. No. Yeah, double the runtime. Agro drift was already 30 times what the runtime probably should have been. At 80 minutes. I think it was, I think we probably would have gotten like a good three minute movie out of it. Like literally they could have just made a music video.

It would have been great. The Travis Scott music video would be fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, if I think of another one in the future, I'll let you know.

Hell yeah. But I guess that's about it. We did it. We did it. Thank you. Nice. We have a guest next episode, and our guest recommended a film. What are we talking about it?

It's a, our guest is Papa Meat. Yeah. And it's, as in Meat Canyon, whatever we want to call this meat boy. A meat boy. Yeah. A superb meat boy. Papa meat. He's recommending Videodrome, which honestly seems appropriate given his animation.

Yep. To do some Cronenberg. There is a director's cut, and that's what he's recommending. Apparently, it's a slight difference. I haven't seen this movie in fucking forever, so it will be like I'm experiencing it pretty fresh. I think I've only seen it once, and it was a little. long time ago, so.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Okay, here we go. I couldn't even remember a rating or anything. Yeah. Perfect. Nice. Excited to talk about it. So if anybody listening hasn't seen videodrome or doesn't want to be spoiled for David

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