Sardonicast - Sardonicast #15: Under the Skin, Punch Drunk Love

Episode Date: August 29, 2018

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Three, two, one. Now this is the story all about how our smiles got flipped turned upside down. So I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there and tell you how we started a podcast where we talk about movies and other things. This is Sardonicast. That's my favorite one. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. I'm Will Smith from YouTube.com slash Ralph the Movie Maker. Oh.

And I'm Alex from I hear everything. And Ralph, is it official that we can call you the short round of the Sardonic. now. Oh, sure. Oh! You got burn. Burn. Oh. So who's Indiana Jones then if you're a short round?

I want to you two. Oh. I mean, you guys decide. I don't want to be India. It's too much pressure. How's your week, guys? We're recording this a little early, by the way, everybody listening. Way early. Yeah. Like a week early, basically. Yeah, because I got to go on vacation.

You got to? Yeah. Yeah, I got it. I got to get away from all the short means. I'm not even I'm not even sure I don't understand you're encouraged it yeah didn't you say you loved it yeah I do but is this funny because I'm not even whatever it's it's a funny meme it is a great meme I love I love it yeah sure still did we ever do we know how tall Alex is guess mm-hmm six feet I'll say you got it like am I right oh oh really I was gonna say like five nine No, no. No. Good. Nice.

What is that? Like 170 something centimeters? How tall is that? Oh, you don't know your own height in centimeters? Yeah, I do it in feet. I'm all mixed up. What kind of a Brit are you? Oh, nice.

I'm half New Zealand. I don't know if they use it as well, but... You don't even know... Half of like... Yeah, I didn't even know. I thought all of Europe used centimeters. Wait, New Zealand's not in... New Zealand, I guess it's kind of in Europe.

I guess it's kind of in Europe. It's almost Europe. Europe's falling apart, I guess. Who knows? Yeah, true. Sorry. We know for a fact of this. I thought all of the not North America use centimeters, is what I meant to say.

Who knows, man? Canada just changes it up all the time, as in we kind of just pick and choose. Because we use kilometers. You switch? We use, well, I mean, like, most people measure themselves or, like, weigh themselves. and pounds and measure themselves in like feet and inches I guess just because it makes more sense to compare ourselves to Americans in that sense but we also use kilometers and we also use liters instead of ounces and like milliliters and

and grams and kilograms for like weighing kitchen items or like food or whatever so we're kind of inconsistent I thought you were trying to say that like your country switches every like two years or so that'd be funny that'd be great that'd be really confusing and you got to change all the signs everybody has to change starting now sorry every every two years maybe every election cycle I don't know if it's four years for you guys or two what is it is it four I think the way that the well first of all yeah it's prime minister second there's no um there's no like fixed term so you can be literally As long as you keep getting voted in, you could be prime minister forever.

Oh, that's a good system. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, Stephen Harper was prime minister for what, like 11, 14 years or something? It was really weird. Wow. Yeah, I mean, I don't really see anything wrong with that as long as it's still a democracy. As long as it's still, you know, the votes are being counted.

It's still working, it seems. I'd prefer for a system that's not first past the post. CGP Gray has a great video explaining what first pass the post is and it's the same system that America uses as well. And it's not really as representative as it could be. It leads to a lot of strategic voting. So people, instead of voting for the party that they actually want to govern the country, they'll be like, oh, I'm voting for the party that I feel is more likely to win against a party that I dislike. So you have like the liberals and the NDPs votes are kind of splitting all of the votes on the left because they're strategically voting against conservatives, whereas conservatives just vote for one particular party. So yeah.

Anyway, I'm not going to get too far to that. It's a complicated thing. And I'm a little pissed off at Trudeau because he promised to change first past the post. And then he was like, eh, it's too hard as soon as he got in. Because it's like he won using that system. It was kind of fucking annoying. anyway. Yeah, none of them

change the system. None of them do. Yeah, it's really upsetting. Yeah, fuck politicians. How much of a asshole do you have to be to even decide to become a politician? I've got a very important

question for you, Ralph. Yeah. Do you still love movie pass? Oh, after that shit show? I mean, I gotta respect the guy. He started a business that he knew it wasn't going to go well. He was basically just paying

for everybody's movie for free, knowing that he never make his money back, and he did. Isn't that kind of, uh, like, fraudulent, stupid?

I mean, yeah, to respect the guy. He really duped a lot of people. Yeah. Well, listen, I enjoyed it.

I got it a few months ago. I saw my free movies. He paid for them. And then when the whole fucking thing fell apart, which inevitably would happen, I, I, uh,

I canceled it, which I did. Oh, Okay. It's over. It's fully over. Yeah. Oh, it's fully over.

Well, no, they have... Yeah. Oh, well, now they, um... Well, what happened is they just... Movie passes this thing, for those of you who don't know, where you pay, I think, $10 a month, and you get to see a bunch of free movies every month, which is a system that was so dumb.

AMC copied it and figured out how to make it profitable, but he would just... Yeah, you could just see whatever you wanted. Basically, there were these... It was ridiculous. It's not in Canada either, but I know about it just from looking at shit on Reddit. So there was this huge post like, oh, no, now you can see unlimited movies for $10 a month. And all of the top comments were people being like, how is this profitable?

Like they have to reimburse the theater chains, right? And so then inevitably, I mean, like a lot of people predicted, they just changed their rules and their pricing apparently too. so like when Mission Impossible came out they were like that one you can't actually see on movie pet you can see other movies instead because we know that a lot of people will want to see that one it's like well what's the fucking point of your service anymore

and now now what is it what are the new rules they lowered it to two movies a week or something like that yeah it was like select movies yeah oh no now it's like yeah it's like slender man and the meg or whatever Yeah, there's these two pre-picked movies a day, and you have to see one of those. That's how it works now. That's right.

Because someone was explaining it to me last night. That's stupid. So do you guys not have, like, subscription services for cinema chains? Because we've had that in the UK for countless years now. It's like a similar idea. For tickets? So what you can do in the UK is, like, you can pay, you know, all the cinemas, they're like three or four different chains of them.

If you pick one, you can. can pay them like 15 pounds a month and you can see however many movies you want as long as it's with that chain that would be really cool i don't think we have anything like that actually well now we do now we have amc stub or amc a list which is that yeah but they were just copying movie pass but that's cool Alex i didn't know that actually yeah i'm using myself but i'm thinking about hopping on board because it seems like too good when you see that many like the amount of movies we do a month like it adds up in terms of how much it costs yeah you know i thought it was great movie pass. Yeah. And I can see bad movies too. Like I would have seen Slender Man and I would

have seen the Meg if I had it. But I was like, I got one movie this weekend. It was Black Klansman. So, oh, nice. I have to see that. It was okay. Yeah, that's what it kind of seems like. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I mean, you're not American, so I don't know how much you'll get out of it. Right. Yeah. The closest thing we had to any kind of like a subscription or pass is just like, the big theater chain in Canada is Cineplex and so they did this kind of like points thing so you have like a scene card and so every time you purchase a ticket to a movie

you get 100 points every thousand points you get a free movie now the way it used to work was if you bought two tickets to a movie using the same card like you're seeing a movie with a friend or something then you get 200 points but then they were like oh no we can't let people do that So they created this whole like they got rid of that and then they created this extra like

Crazy stupid workaround to make it seem as though they were kind of giving it back so they're like now you can create a scene Tarrage so if you have a scene card and your friend has a scene card then you add them into the same thing and then you go in groups and as long as you're both using scene cards then it works out I'm like okay well I'm not gonna convince every single person I go to see a movie with to have a scene card and So I signed up for another one and used a fake name. Well, actually a real name that somebody I found through a meme because somebody got arrested on drug charges in the United States named Beezau-Doo-Doozop-Bap-Bop-Bop. And so I gave that as my name. And it says that on my card and I'm pretty happy with myself. And now I don't even think they have the scene tarrage thing anymore.

So I just have all these scene cards with like different accumulations. of points on them. It's kind of ridiculous. I think their business model was we just got to get as many people to use the service as possible at first. And then once we have a fuck ton of people using it, we can sell

to them or do something with them, right? That's probably what they wanted to do. But they didn't realize, like, once the well runs dry, once they run out of money, everyone's just going to leave the service because if it's not doing what they originally wanted it to do, which is I

see whatever movie I want every day, then what's the point of it? And now everyone's leaving it. And now it's falling apart. Ralph, have you ever, have you ever been to the Alamo Draft House cinema? I wish I had. Oh, man, it's so good. Yeah. Have you guys seen the commercial on, or the ad that they posted on YouTube where they

literally just posted someone's angry voicemail because that got pissed at the theater because they got kicked out for texting? They literally just published that on YouTube as an ad. like, yes, we will kick you out for texting during the movie. Yeah, I've heard they're very strict. Oh, it's so great. I wish every theater was that strict of it. They have, like, food and drink service throughout the entire movie.

And the way you order is you have, like, a little slip of paper on the table in front of you, and you just stick it in a little slot. And there's people that are attentively looking around the theater, like, not walking around the whole time. like they're scanning with their eyes, I guess, for this little slip of paper. And as soon as they see that it's there, they just grab it without saying a word, your orders on it, whatever, and then they leave. And that's also the way you report people for, like, talking or texting during the movie. You can be like, okay, this person in front of me is being a douchebag. And so it's like, it doesn't disturb the movie.

The food is awesome. It's such a, it's such a very well-polished experience. And I wish we had those in Canada. Yeah, I wish most theaters were like that Yeah One day I'll go I've never even been to Texas So

Who is it there I'll go to the Alamo draft house Yeah It's in Austin right Yeah there's like five of them in Austin I don't know if they have any outside of Austin or not I think they do I think so too

Whatever What's your What's your favorite Kind of like cinema experience Alex Do you have anything kind of like Interesting or special? Um, there's a cool kind of one in London that's like, just shows sort of indie movies and classic films have been there a few times. But it's not like nice like the Ammo Draft House or anything like that.

For the most part, most of our screenings here are like terrible like around me. Like there's this one I avoid now because all the screens are dull. Like they must not have changed the bulb for ages. And you can see like smudges all over the screen and stuff. So there's a good few years I just never bothered going And now I've got a car I can go to like once in a wider area But yeah It's not I'm not impressed to be honest with the UK get your ad together man

Yeah there's so many different services Not just including movies that I see in other countries where I think like If you just got someone to do that in Canada or you know anywhere else Like that could probably thrive Yeah You know, too bad I'm not like interested in opening my own business, you know, past what I already own as my YouTube channel and shit. Who knows?

That's what makes America great. Maybe one day I'll just be like some sort of business investor, just toss in money at people. If you came to America, you should come to America. We could do that together. Go on Wall Street. Yeah. Start a business.

Do a bunch of Coke? Do a bunch of Coke. Quailudes? Sex with a bunch of, you know, hookers and quailudes. Yeah, you can't find quailudes anymore, I don't think. Yeah, I wonder if somebody is able to recreate those. Because those were like prescription sleep medication, right? You'd think that like some, like...

Well, you'd have to figure out how it was made and then redo it. I don't know if they give that info out. No, you got... I don't know. You'd have to assume that some, like, chemist nerd would be able to recreate those in some way. You've got people creating all kinds of drugs. Hold on.

I'll look it up for you. I'll see if we can get some quailudes. Yeah. Let me go on the dark web. Can you store me some quailudes, Ralph? I gotcha. Dark web. This conversation is not being recorded, is it? It might be.

I think so. Okay, good. Hold on, let's show off the mics quick. Yeah, I don't think you can find them. I'll look. I'll look later. Shit, the only thing on here is just a bunch of child porn. Damn it. That's what should have happened in unfriended Dark Web.

Yeah, that's really what do they think that Dark Web is? It's mostly drug dealers. see any drugs and child porn there it was just a bunch of murder videos yeah that's like 99 that's unrealistic right you would have to assume is that assassination shit true we're like oh you can get an assassin on

on the dark web why the fuck would you why would you do that why do you trust like some random stranger you find on the internet to kill someone for you and like oh yeah just take the money and he'll be dead and it's probably a cop also

it's not very bright is it if any normal person can access the dark web so could a police officer. Yeah, and they'd probably stage sites like that. Yeah, I don't know how it works. You ever hear those horror stories from the dark web? Most of them are like some creepy pasta

type shit where it's not real. Clearly not real, but they try to play it off. Like Slender Man, it's a scary place. Yeah, I went on the dark web once and they found my house, man. It's like, give me a break. Yeah, really scary stuff. They're coordinated.

Have you guys used the dark? dark web? Ever been on the dark web? No. I do know people that order drugs from dark web, but... Oh, yeah? Oh. Yeah. It's a very efficient service, apparently. It sounds pretty efficient. It's like Amazon, I bet. Except they deliver fucking cocaine to your house. Yeah. Whatever you want. I wanted it once for like a couple minutes. It's pretty boring. Because you have to have like, you have to know the right addresses, right? I guess you got meet people who have the sites that are hidden on the on the dark web yeah I don't know how

this shit works at all honestly I was just roaming around like I don't know how this works so I'll just leave it to other people to do yeah I don't think the writers of unfriended dark web knows how no how it works either it was like it was like a fucking Minecraft video game app yeah I'm I'm surfing through the dark web I'm in this dark tunnel here the graphics are great it's taking over my desktop. Oh, no. Yeah, and he's on the dark web for like a half hour, and then

a half hour later, there's this elite team of hackers trying to fucking destroy him and kill him and destroy his life. It's so dumb. What a great movie. I've got my Slanderman review coming out in the next couple days. There's one thing about the movie I forgot to mention in it

that I do want to mention as they're like doing their research on the Slinger Man, and there's this this like creepy montage of all this lore for the Slender Man. They use a bunch of shittily drawn deviant art pictures and it's really funny. Oh my God. Yeah.

Okay, you've just sold me on it. Oh, it's really funny. That's awesome. It's one of those movies where like from the first five seconds you know it's going to be a dumpster fire. Just like the acting alone is just like, whoa. What am I watching? I'm excited to see it. You should, yeah, you guys should see it, honestly.

I love shitty horror movies. like that. Still watch the bye-bye man. Oh, you still watch it? Yeah, it's still funny. Wishapun too. That's the only making video for that right now. The bye-by-man was like kind of boring for me. Wishapun I could see like 20 times though. By-bye man, the novelty is they keep saying bye-bye man. That made me laugh every time really hard and still does. But Wishapon, yeah, I agree. It's better movie. Wishapun is like comedy gold. Wishapun's really funny. her fucking dumb wishes

like you have seven wishes and you can wish for anything anything in the world and she's like I wish my dad would stop be so embarrassing I'm like what the fuck anything you can solve you could like solve world hunger

world peace you could wish for anything if you carefully worded your wishes and just made a really long run on sentence that could eliminate any possibility of anything going wrong you could come out of that successfully. You know?

But no, she doesn't do that either. If you just had a really long sentence saying, I wish for this as long as this and this don't happen and that nothing bad happens to me and I'm happy and blah, blah, blah. You know, like you, I don't know. If the possibilities could be endless, I guess, but she doesn't even fucking clue into the fact that everything is killing her friends. She's the dumbest main character.

Yeah. And she does the exact opposite of what you said. It's like the end of the movie. Yeah, her wording is like the most vague fucking like she's like, I don't know, I wish she would like rot or something. It's like, what are you supposed to get out of that? And luckily it worked out, but Jesus. Not really. Well, I guess not at the end.

Well, she wanted her like bully to rot and she rotted. I guess it worked out. Anyway, great movie. Alex, sounds amazing. You saw the Meg. Right? Yeah, you guys talk about the... Damn straight.

I did see the Meg. Best film of the year so far, in my opinion. Incredible stuff. 10 out of 10? Easily. Easily. No, of course, it's... I was intrigued by the trailers, like, how far they were going to go.

Because I wasn't sure if it was... Is this, like, self-aware? No. Because the trailers were marketed as if it might be, but new. It really isn't. I called it. And I kind of made it a bit of... funnier yeah they make it a bit funnier for me and again the good old British

audiences it was packed in there absolutely packed everyone was like ready for this one and excited and of course no one laughs at the actual funny bits like it's so bad it's funny bits they laugh at all the like garbage like terrible humor with like the little girls like you want to fuck my mom kind of shit or dad or whatever yeah kind of you remember and it's so lame oh no Jason Statham has His shirt off. Let me peek back in through the door and take another look. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

It's pretty funny, I guess, at points. She calls him crazy man. Ha ha ha ha ha. How cute. Oh, it's so lame. All these Chinese actors that you just can hardly understand because they can't really speak English. They needed translators.

Yeah. And they only appeared in the film because this movie's made for China. Yeah, the Chinese market. But apparently it's a big hit here. It's a big hit everybody. It's a big hit everywhere. I don't know. Yeah, sorry.

Yeah. It's based on a novel, too. It took a big bite out of the box office. It's based on a novel? Yeah, it's based on like a... Apparently. I guess a horror novel or something. Yeah.

Really? It was like a gruesome novel thing. Whenever I've talked about it, people have, like, commented saying, nah, it's based on a book, and the book's awesome or whatever. I don't know. I don't know if it is awesome or not, but they're a little... details I've heard about the book, which sounds at least more interesting than what we ended up with. But, ooh.

Whenever you read a book, you fill in a lot of it with what you want to imagine. Yeah. Right? So, like, any book can be awesome to some extent. Yeah. You know, pretty much anything can be a New York Times bestseller. It's all about how you adapted, dude. Like, um, for Scump, that book sucked, apparently.

but people say the movie's great, but people say the book sucked. I found out after my review that apparently they wanted it to be an R-rated film and then the producers were like, nope, and changed their minds and got rid of anything that could be gruesome. So all of the characters...

Yeah, well, do gruesome movies sell in China? I don't think so. Well, somebody commented, I don't know if this is accurate, but they commented saying that China apparently doesn't even have like a ratings classification system, so everything needs to be like, a general audience kind of movie like good enough for kids and adults if you want to sell it in China

I don't know how true that is but their whole no ghosts no gaze policy is a real thing did you like how it ended on um the sponge bob joke I don't even remember the camera pans down into the ocean and then the word fin comes up on oh yeah that was cute No one in the audience laughed, apart from me. That's embarrassing. That's really selling this. I really want to see it. Yeah, it is, it has surprisingly high production value.

It is the most expensive shark movie ever made, and I didn't realize that until after I watched it. $150 million. And you can tell no one gives a single fuck at all. Like, the dialogue for Jason Statham, especially, like, he has no one-liners or anything. There's a part where he's stuck in the ocean and the shark's coming for it and he's just like, oh, I'm in trouble. Yeah. He's like the actual dialogue is on that level.

It's hilarious, that kind of shit. Yeah. I don't know why they didn't give him like flippers when they threw them in the water to chase the shark. I don't know why the shark just hung out by the surface the whole time. That's true, especially being like a deep water shark. It made it a lot easier for him to chase it down, just swimming around. But, I mean, didn't it come from, like, the bottom? Didn't it come from, like, underneath the hydrogen layer?

Why would it be just hanging around the surface, the whole movie? So they can have 100 million scenes where people are knocked off the boat, and then they've got to swim, and you've got to guess who's going to get you in? God, they do that so many times. People don't really get eaten so much as they just get vored. They all get comically swallowed whole. But they were fine with showing the innocent whales being torn to shreds. Of course, because they're not human beings.

It's fine. That's hilarious, man. That's like your average day in China. Slaughtering animals. True, yeah. There's even that part where they, like, explode a whale. And the guts go all over everyone. And that's fine.

Yeah, of course, it's not a human. It's fine. Three to G. There's one, like, um bloody arm that they find in the in the water next to some sharks that have been cut or whatever

remember that bit now you're day yeah I don't know it's very tame for a shark movie I guess I would have to say deep blue sea is better if not just for that one scene yeah you can just turn it off after that famous scene just watch the one scene it's worth the whole movie

you didn't you didn't like it when Jason Statham somehow clings on to the shark as it launches out the water and then he like stabs it in the eye. He's like 50 feet in the air. There's a lot of ridiculous shit. Spoilers, by the way. I don't think it's possible to spoil this movie. I don't think this is a movie you can spoil.

Watch how you talk about the plot. I don't want you to remember it. I was surprised they weren't setting up like a cinematic universe though. That's what I was expecting. I was waiting for it to be like, get ready for the meg. Like all types of giant like fish and stuff are gonna be in this universe. Yeah. The squid escaped too.

Yeah. That didn't make any sense. Or at least a tease for a sequel. Yeah, they're going to verse each other in the next one. Giant Octopus versus Giant Megalodon. Oh yeah, they can have like a Godzilla extended universe. That's right. Is anybody actually excited for the new Godzilla?

Oh, no. No. Is it like a sequel to that one from, what was it, 2013? Yeah, 2014. Yeah, it is. And it's connected to the King Kong movie. Now there's other Kaiju's. Yeah, there's other Kaiju's.

I mean, that might be cool. seen Godzilla fight. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a fan base for that. A couple of minutes. There's people who jerk off to, like, Kaiju shit, you know? Yeah. Like, both literally and metaphorically.

I've seen a lot of the Godzilla movies, and I just don't like them. So, that's not a fan base, I really... If you remove the satire angle, like, to me, it's so boring, you know? Yeah, Godzilla? Yeah, with Godzilla, like... The ones where they fully embrace

that it is, like, a satire. They're the ones I like. It's like that Godzilla from 2014 or whatever. Yeah, I think both can work. I think both can work. It's just, you got to do it well. Like the one where he's like fighting Jet Jaguar with his son, that's a great Godzilla movie. I forgot the name of that one.

It might be a son of Godzilla. But then there's like the serious one, the original, 1955. And like that's, that works too. What about the Roland Emmerich Godzilla, 1998? That one's one of the worst. first ones. Hell yeah. That was a great comedy.

It's a great comedy. I can't even agree with you there. I barely remember it. Yeah, you don't remember it. Yeah, it's, I've seen it like four times, but I can't remember anything about it. I've seen it four times.

Did you guys see Shin Godzilla? I did. I thought that was great. That was one from a couple years ago, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was the best ones. Yeah, it was interesting. I love Shin Godzilla.

It was so interesting. It had really cool special effects. Mm-hmm. And it was a cool comment on like, how the military takes too long to solve any issue or I guess Japan. That's what I like that one knew. Yeah, because they would like Godzilla would be almost attacking a building and they were like going to shoot a missile at him. But it took like 20 minutes to get the approvals from all the different generals and the helicopter pilot.

And then by the time they got the approval, the building was destroyed. It's great. I love that. So I highly recommend Shin Godzilla. I love when the actors were speaking English, but they clearly do. didn't understand what they were saying. And it was just repeating what a translator said. It's not good.

I felt that's like how everyone who spoke English in that movie talked like they didn't understand what they were saying. It was really bad. But if you ignore that, I mean, it's pretty good. Pretty good movie. So Alex recently saw a film that Ralph and I both have seen called Under the Skin. And I think, I don't know, is it worth? discussing you want to give your

yeah it's a it's a dense movie to talk about so there's you're dense you can't get to everything burn yeah I'm pretty dense too but um not as dense as under the skin yeah somehow missed it it's been out for a very long time now what 2013

2014 um okay 2014 um yeah I did start watching it once but for some reason just stopped um I don't know why so when I put it on the other day I was like amazed by it I thought it was spectacular movie all around like a very unique thing

a new perspective and like filmmaking for me so happy to hear that because I love it too it's not listed like on IMDB as being a horror movie oh yeah I don't know why but what is it under then romantic comedy it says drama sci-fi thriller

um okay and I can see maybe if it was just like the third act you were looking at maybe you could remove the horror bit but that at first like act where it's just this like creature and they just don't explain anything and it's a pure mystery

and you're just trying to figure out what's going on. It's terrifying, man. There's this certain shot that actually sent tingles down my spine it was so terrifying to me. You probably know which one it is you can remember.

Without spoiling anything. Yeah, it would be more specific. It's just, it reveals kind of what's happening. Yeah, yeah. It reveals what's happening to the people she's kind of luring in. Yeah, that's an iconic scene. That's probably the scariest scene.

Yeah. Legitimately horrifying. Yeah, that frighten me more than anything I've seen in a long time. So just for that alone. Apparently, the original source material explains a lot about what the motivations are, what's happening beyond that point, et cetera, et cetera. Exactly. Yeah, I don't want to know either.

That's another example of how you adapt. material and like what information not just including but what information you leave out is very important yeah that book is entirely different from the movie yeah what i understand because that book is like it's not even a comment on like humanity and the alien wanting to become human like in the movie it's a totally different arc the only thing that's the same is the basic premise which is scrohaw hansson's an alien who uh wants to suck up men in a giant black void Yeah, less certainly was more with this one. Yeah.

I also really liked afterwards I was reading about it, and all the scenes where Scarlett Johansson is going around, like, talking to people, it was all of like secret hidden cameras, yeah. Which is super impressive for an actress. That's very impressive because I was thinking while watching it, where did they find these people? It seems so natural, so real. Why can't I understand them?

Yeah, I love that element of it, too. We can barely fucking. Any subtitles. Well yeah, they were like kind of mumbling and oh it was really hard to hear now I understand what they're saying I could a Scottish accent I'm a bit more used to hearing Scottish accents I guess like the fifth time I've seen it I got the I got the accents down but yeah bus driver toward the third act of the movie I couldn't understand a fucking word he was saying is that your impersonation of a Scottish accent Ralph that's literally my impersonation of that bus driver in the fucking movie and if you want to pull up a clip of him that's exactly how he talks you want to say real words you've never sounded more

American no he wasn't saying real words I swear to God no you try saying real words in a Scottish accent I want to hear this oh I need real words to say you're you just said some real words say some more real words okay this is I'm I've been burgundy I didn't say any real words throughout the entire thing whenever you just know you just said some real words you just have to do it with a Scottish accent. With the Scottish accent? Yeah, like you just did real words right there.

Continue speaking real words. You know what? I'm not going to do the Scottish accent. Oh, forget it. It could have been so good. No. Don't let people down. I got to master it.

I got to master it. But that's part of the fun. That's what you're getting. Part of, I want to go to part of what Alex said. This movie is like everything. It's like a mix of everything. It's every genre. It's horror.

It's horror. It's soccer. It's a little romance. It's a little found footage. Borat style fucking going around the city and like just picking up random people. And like Scarlett Johansson, which is,

you could tell her character was like putting on this performance. And then once the men would leave, she would just switch back off and turn all emotion off. I love that about her performance in this. It's one of the best performances I've ever seen. It's really brave. And she really showed that like she could take on any role.

she really wanted to. She's given so much to work with in terms of like this is a character that starts off as a kind of really powerful figure, but gradually shows more vulnerability as the film goes on, you know, and weakness. Well, as she watches, observes humanity, she falls in love with it, I guess, somewhat. And she wants to become a part of it. And sadly, she can't. But I guess you've only seen it once, right, Alex?

Yeah, yeah, any once. So, so like, what did you get out of it? it the first time. To me, the whole thing seemed to be sort of a subtext for how society treats like a woman. Yeah. Like women to me. It was going through all of the ways, like, different types of men can treat women and

what they can give back, you know? Like at the beginning to me, that was sort of a, like a power play thing where some women have to put on this, like, farcical, strong thing to try and manipulate men. it gradually shows like a different perspective of like actual compassion with someone and then the complete inverse at the end yeah the disabled guy yeah exactly and then yeah it's a complete inverse where all that power is like stripped away i thought it was all about kind of like the the sexual dynamic between men and women um i don't know if you guys took that away too but i took it as that too yeah one's role in society how like that this this man's always in charge of her

and having to keep her on a leash, basically. Yeah, she's being pimped out. Alien pimped. And, yeah, that was interesting too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fascinate a film all around. I really enjoy it. Is there anything that you didn't like about it?

It's the kind of thing where it is so out there at the beginning. There can be little splashes of frustration as you're just trying to figure out what's going on. But by the end, all of that was eliminated once I kind of figured out the overarching, story so I wouldn't even call that complaint really I thought it was pretty flawless I found the beach scene to be just a tad convenient for my tastes that was a little weird just like the timing of just like oh this is going to happen right while I'm standing here sort of thing and I get that that's not the point of the scene and I understand like it's about you know especially the camera work during that scene I find it's very purposeful and how it's it's at a distance the entire time

It kind of plays into this idea of her being detached from the species and you kind of see people like ants in a way. And I value the scene for what we get out of it, but I feel like it was just a tad convenient logistically. Okay. This kind of thing doesn't bug me, so. No, I don't have that issue either. I feel like that character just naturally going around all of Scotland

would eventually stumble across something similar to, that. I mean, I know it's a little insane what happens. Yeah, I guess we don't know how much time is past. Yeah, you don't really know how much time has passed, like two people drown and then the baby's left behind. It's like ridiculous, but I, oh man, I fully appreciate that. That shot of the baby at night is awesome. Oh, yeah, that's a great, that's a great fucking shot. There's a lot of great shots in this. Um, cinematography is great. Oh, yeah. What'd you guys think, what'd you guys think of the woman in the beginning? Who do you think that is? Right. You can have to remind me.

that the motorcyclist picks up out of the woods. Remember that? That's like, like Scarletcher Hansen takes the clothes off of her. Yeah, I think that that was a human being whose form she wound up stealing. I feel like that was just like... I thought it was like the previous version of her. Possibly. Or like another alien.

That's what I always took it as. Yeah, that's also possible. Going back to that cycle of like female oppression where it's just like women, the man's, just, you know, takes that woman out and puts another woman in her place and it's this constant cycle of oppression. I don't want to talk about this movie without mentioning the soundtrack because it is one of the best scores for a film, I would say. Ever.

Very disturbing and creepy on its own. The score itself is just, it, it, you don't even need the visuals to go along with it to feel what the score is communicating. Yeah, absolutely. It really compliments and emphasizes the visuals. Because it's like, not only are you hearing sounds that you've never heard before, but you're seeing things that you've never seen before. You know, they don't contradict each other in any kind of way.

And this whole sense of unfamiliarity, if that's a word, is really necessary for the experience of this film. in the sense that, like, as human spectators watching the film, it's important that we don't understand everything that we're seeing and that everything feels alien to us and that we don't have a grip on it. Because why would we? The way they do that is by being minimalist rather than the exact opposite,

which is how sci-fi is always going. Which is, oh, make a big fucking metal ship. Lots of wires, title cards. And this movie has none of that. Her ship is a fucking black void. and when you leave it that ambiguous, your mind races with all kinds of, you know. I mean, it's ambiguous to even if it's like an alien or not,

or even if it's just kind of creature or a ligureoleonic or anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to watch it again. I have a friend who, like, isn't scared by any movie and they're going through all these horror films trying to find one that actually scares them. And this might be the one, I don't know. Yeah, this is a strange one.

It's a horror movie that understands, too, that you need to be strange to be fucking scary. Mm-hmm. You need to do things that no one's ever seen before. Show things we haven't seen before. There's a fear of the unknown, right? Mm-hmm. Exactly.

And this movie takes full advantage of it. That's why the concept of having, you know, a killer behind a mask or, you know, just not showing the Babadook for the first half of the movie is like that's the most effective part. You know, when you leave things up to people's imagination, they'll fill it in with whatever scares them the most. or not fill it in with anything and just be terrified because they don't know what it is. I feel like that's one of the more effective ways of approaching the horror genre. Absolutely. Great movie.

I love it. I love it more than anything. I love it more than my dog. Would you both give it a 10 out of 10? Yeah. Yeah, I would. My affection is only going to grow probably for it as I see it more. Yeah.

It's a movie you just keep thinking about. I would give it probably an 8. Motherfucker. I almost filled the bingo card with a seven, but I think I'll give it an eight. Yeah, I think it deserves an eight. Did we want to go into the film discussion? Yeah, that's about as much as we can say about under the skin without spoiling. Yeah, just watch it if you haven't.

Yeah, I mean, I'd love to talk about it one day without spoilers, but that conversation could go on for hours, I feel. So it has in the past for me. All right. There was a film last episode that was recommended by Ralph the movie maker called Punch Drunk Love directed by PTA, Paul Thomas Anderson. Paul Thomas Anderson. If you don't want to be spoiled for this film, then go watch it, come back and listen to this shit. It's a great movie, so we're going to spoil the shit out of it. Adam Sandler's in it.

How can it not be good? Yeah, when he farted, that was hilarious. Yeah, that was. I love that. Anyway, Punch Drunk Love is a movie about a man named Barry. He's an awkward. I got the sense that he was mildly autistic somewhat. Or had some sort of issue. Some social disability.

Yeah, some social disability. And he falls in love with some woman who's a friend of his sister. And while that's going on, he's also trying to get a bunch of pudding so he can get frequent flyer miles and while that's going on he's also uh getting scammed by some phone sex line uh so what did you guys think of punch drunk love i thought it was awesome i thought it was awesome too i enjoyed it immensely yeah it was very good around i'm glad you guys enjoyed it i i used to love this movie i don't know if i love it as much as i used to maybe it's just because i'm used to it and i've gotten used to the magic of it okay but i mean it's still such a good

movie and it's so well made and acted and written. Yeah, I, uh, I, I, I feel like this is the most I've seen Adam Sandler care about the character he's playing. He's genuinely great in this movie. Yeah, he is. Paul Thomas Anderson took like the stereotypical Adam Sandler character and kind of put him in real life and put him in like real social situations. And like, when you have a character like that in real life, it's so, it's so uncomfortable.

like no one laughs in him everyone's just like oh what a fucking weirdo and I love that I love that they got Adam Sandler to play this character because he adds so much to it yeah it was a risky move too though

considering like Adam Sandler's history you know and in a role like that where you know to quote Tropic Thunder you never go full retard or whatever

like he really could have gone overboard with it and made it sort of farcicle but he really did sell it to me it was that point where he says that he cries all the time and he just starts crying there. That really sold it to me from there

and I was fully in to his character from that point on. I totally agree with you. And there's this vulnerability that, like, Adam Sandler brings to his roles always, even in his stupid, bad comedies. But him bringing that to this made Barry's such a likable character, even though he has anchor issues

and even though there's a lot about him that isn't very likable. And a lot of other roles, he's playing kind of like a pompous, overconfident jackass that, you know, despite having some vulnerabilities, yeah, I guess not every role. Like, you know, there's like,

little Nikki and, he was treated like shit. Other happy Gilmore, I guess. But, yeah, I feel like this is a really good example of, I wish I could remember who the fuck said this, but I think it was some director. It might have been Hanukkah. I have no idea. But somebody said that anyone can act

as long as you give them the right role. I don't know if I've said this on the podcast before. if I said this to my friend after watching it. But this is a really good example of that, where it's like if you cast someone as a character that they can reasonably pull off, then they can do, you know, then it's so much more convincing.

Like, this is something where, as soon as I see him performing this character, I'm like, oh, yeah, this totally works. Like, this is totally something that Adam Sandler can do, you know? Yeah, and his stupid blue suit. I love that. He never changed his clothes once the whole movie. Yeah, that's pretty funny.

I like the contrast when he goes out on a date with the blue suit and I think it was a red dress. Yeah, red dress. But like just very solid colors that are kind of complementary in a way, just each taking up one part of the screen. Very pretty movie. Lots of blue, lots of vibrant colors. shot it on film, anamorphic lenses. It looks very like a classic Hollywood movie. And I guess he's kind of poking fun at that a bit

by having strange characters inhibit this romantic comedy, basically. But at the end of the day, that's what it is. It's a kind of cheesy romantic comedy that's told really well. Did you feel as though some of the visuals were a bit over-exposed? No, because Paul Thomas Anderson does that a lot. He just likes the glow. Like you can see when Barry's in his garage. Like, there's that glow.

There's a lot. There's more of that in this movie than anything else. Yeah, he took it like to the extreme with this. But, I mean, you see it. You see it in his other stuff. This is a weird movie in like Paul Thomas Anderson's catalog. Because he has like this first half of his career where his movies are very like energetic and exuberant. And then he has the second half.

like there will be blood and everything after that that's much more mature. Phantom thread, like definitely much more restrained and en-mannered than something like Boogie N-Nights, right? And Punch Drunk Love is like one of the last movies that he made that was like that before going into, you know, there will be blood and doing movies like that. And it's really good. So you mentioned you didn't love it anymore. Do you have any more reasoning apart from just for T-Ref? of seeing it too many times or because I was kind of with you like I really enjoyed it but I'd heard from people that yeah this is the best Paul Thomas Anderson movie which I didn't

quite feel at all I thought it was like a very very articulate take like just perfectly mastered with all the every element of the film being very artful but at the end of the day didn't leave too much of an impression on me After it was over, I didn't really think about it too. Yeah, that was it too. I felt like, oh, that was fun rather than getting anything out of it. I feel like I got a lot out of it. Yeah?

Well, we can debate that, but I also feel that the style... It's not a debate. It's my experience. I'm not going to argue with you over whether or not I got something out of it. I'll convince you it wasn't a good experience. Sorry, go on. No, no problem. But, God, what was I going to say? Fuck. Anyway, Adam, say what you were going to say about it?

I feel like a lot of it resonates with me on an emotional level. I love character studies. I love seeing interesting characters. But mostly, like, I feel so much from this movie just because of, like, the anxiety that it kind of puts me through. And, like, the mental abuse that he's being subjected to from his siblings constantly. and like they're always fucking putting him down and I'm just like it breaks my fucking heart when this guy isn't really doing anything to them and they're they're just constantly bullying him the entire fucking movie and you well there's nothing that he does to deserve it like yeah he's a weird guy yeah he doesn't handle his emotional issues as well as you know an average human being but I mean they they clearly are a abusing him and that that bothers me. That's what makes PTA a great director,

because every element of the movie is meant to make you feel anxious, this social anxiety that he always feels. The music is constantly like blaring this, John Brian. Yeah, the camera works constantly moving. And I do think he takes it a little too far to where it becomes annoying sometimes, his style. but like most of the movie

I think it was really effective showing how how constant Barry's anxiety is speaking of the music this type of score is something that I feel like we've seen

echoes of in films like Cresia or there was another one that kind of like ripped off the score of Cresia but like there's kind of a we've seen similar vibes of this soundtrack. I haven't seen anything like

this soundtrack in 2002 though. This seems like completely new for its time in terms of a film score at least. Yeah, I felt that way about it too. I love the score for this. I think it's great. So chaotic. Yeah, so chaotic. Again,

you gotta feel anxious like Barry does. So it's all these weird fucking drums and noises. I don't even know what it was most of it. Very energetic. It sounded cool. I love. it yeah I thought you guys nailed the biggest strength of the film with um it just totally puts you in the head of Adam Sandler's character you feel everything he feels there's that great line where he says it's probably the best line in the film I'd say something like I don't know if there's anything wrong because I don't know how other people are yeah and I think that's the same scene where he breaks down or whatever um that completely sold me and there's that other like really effective scene um in his office where he's juggling like three or four different things and the music's building and it's just so like awkward and uncomfortable and the way it's shot like it it just makes you feel that horrible

overwhelming thing that he's going through as soon as you mentioned that it just it just reminded me of when he you know he like you can tell that this this character has so many difficulties is opening up to people and that he keeps himself so fucking restrained despite going through very serious emotional issues himself and this figure in his life that he thinks like okay you're a doctor you might have some sort of connections I can trust that you'll be confidential about this and the next fucking day you know like his sister comes in

he tells me that you cry all the time and that you're having difficulties he's like oh fuck that pisses me off that infuriates me she says it out loud at work too yeah loud in front of everybody the instant he he opens up decides to trust somebody and it's just shot right back down. That pisses me on.

And that's why he's constantly anxious in social directions. It's terrible. Because you know shit like that happens all the time. Yeah. I empathize with that a lot. It makes it so effective when he finally catches his break. You know, that moment where he does get the girl. And from there, he basically becomes Superman.

You know, like I don't know if you guys have heard that Superman theory. I have heard the theory. I want to talk about that with you. It's actually very... I don't know what you're talking about. It's very interesting. So there's a theory that the whole movie is a retelling of Superman and Barry is Superman. And the sisters are like kryptonite.

That's why they're always dressed in green. And I guess, that's kind of funny. Oh, and he's like blue and red. Yeah, he's always in the blue suit. That's kind of funny.

He's collecting free air miles so he can fly anywhere he wants. Oh, that's so funny. And he has super strength too. Yeah, it's the super strength and he basically flies when he's running away from the brothers. Yeah. There's that part that has the unbreakable plunger, right? And he breaks it, and that's supposed to show that he has super strength.

Well, there's other instances, too, where he, like, punches people. But that's the first thing. It is. That's awesome. Once you, like, hear the theory and hear all the evidence to support it, you're like, oh, that's actually very cool. I wonder. Not bad at all.

If that's intentional. Yeah. You'd have to think in some way. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't know. And even Barry's, like, an outsider, which is obviously different from Superman, how, why they're outsiders.

but he feels like this outcast right? Yeah, he feels alien to his own planet. Yeah, fucking PTA. That's really cool. Brilliant. Five out of five. Did you have any problems with it, guys? Speaking of?

The overexposure kind of got to me a bit like the glow of the, you know, I mean, it did seem a little obnoxious at points. The only other thing that I could really say I noticed and kind of took me out of the movie is like when he accidentally goes at the fire exit and it was like a stock sound effect that played that it was like the phone alarm

one of the most common stock sound effects I'm like yeah you probably should have used a different thing I don't know that's just a thing of the time like 2002 that came out right so how are they supposed to know that iPhone would use that same exact sound as the alarm years later that's true It's just unfair That's where I've heard it then Yeah It's like oh well What are you gonna do

I wouldn't take off points for that It was mainly like I'm not gonna take off points Because I didn't enjoy things Because I really enjoyed it And I think it's one of the best Romantic comedies ever made But it's not like this

Substantief It changed my life Kind of movie It's just a good movie It's just a solid movie I could classify this I know we're kind of having This debate in a previous episode

I could fairly, I feel, classify this as a romantic comedy more so than I could, Eternal Sunshine. I feel like this is more of a romantic comedy than Eternal Sunshine for sure. Yeah, well this is a beat-for-beat romantic comedy. He just took the corny characters out and added them, you know, some weird fuckers that he usually puts in movies. So, I don't know. What was your favorite part of the movie? Huh

His breakdown in the bathroom I think that's the best scene Yeah And I love how overblown the audio was It was super super loud Like it was peaking They probably lowered it like later on But it sounds like it's peeking

In the bathroom And just that again Made me feel that social anxiety That he always feels It was really effective And then they get kicked out of the restaurant And then they just have that quiet walk back to the car That's really sweet.

I really liked when he was finally having a go with his sister on the phone in that busy Oh, yeah. That was a great bit of release. Yeah. That was my favorite. That scene starts out funny, but it kind of gets like, you get so fucking mad that you're like, Jesus Christ. Even the sister's like, yeah, calm down. I'm totally different.

Yeah, I agree. You can, you can very clearly see like everything that's been building up that he's had to let go. He says, I'll fucking kill you. Do you want that? So great. You understand perfectly the baggage of this relationship with his sister. It's not just like, I'm angry at you right now. It's like, you've been doing this every fucking day of my life, and I don't deserve this.

I love it. I love seeing him explode in that way because there's context to understand and justify him doing that. Yeah. Whereas a lot of, you know, any other comments. comedy movie would just have someone explode like that because like, ha ha ha, he's an asshole or something like that. But this is something where it's like, yeah, you would explode if you've been treated this way

for your whole fucking life and never had a break. That's why I love that scene. Because like, again, like you said Adam, if it was a comedy scene, it would be, the yelling would be played off for comedic effect. He would say like silly things. But Adam Sandler is genuinely fucking furious and he's having a breakdown on the,

phone which I guess makes it even funnier because it's like what actually would happen but you mentioned the sound design Ralph in the in the bathroom being very loud um now I don't know if this is just my setup or whatever but um for the first like 10 minutes I had to keep turning the volume down and up because there were some moments that were just so loud it was deafening me it's just the mix yeah that always bugs me with like christina movies where you have constantly having to change the volume because they... Yeah, it's all these... Whenever they release a movie on DVD,

they mix movies, they sound mixed movies to be played in a theater, and they never mix it for DVD ever. So when you get the DVD of these fucking movies, it's just like, the dynamic range is ridiculous. Some of it's way too loud, some of it's way too soft, and some movies fix it for DVD, but

most of them don't, and it's really annoying. But I wouldn't hold that against the movie. My, uh, my favorite scene was the scene where he calls the phone sex line for the first time. That's a fucking great scene. Not only is like the performance great,

not only is the pacing great, but I think, I mean, like, I've only seen it once, but I think it was all one shot. I think that was one of the oners in this movie. I don't think it was one shot, but it felt, it flowed so well.

I don't think so. I feel like a lot of it was a really long shot. Yeah. There were lots of really long takes, but as soon as I noticed it, it continued being one shot. And I feel like, I don't know. I feel like most of it was just one long shot.

And I love... Yeah, you're probably right. Because it keeps showing different parts of the table. Yeah. I love his like nervous pacing as he's doing it. I love how he closes his blinds and locks the door just for calling this phone sex line where he's not even saying anything sexual. He just, you know, is looking for some sort of connection in this lonely world of his.

And yet he's still embarrassed by it and he's still... ashamed to do it. Yeah, I love that too. I love the blocking of that scene. Like he was saying, he kept pacing around the room. A boring bad director would just have him sit in a chair and read off the scene. But he's constantly, like, he starts in the kitchen, and he goes to the door, like he said, and he goes to the table for a little bit, and then he gets back up.

It's fucking great. A very energetic movie in many different ways. It went by so fast. Oh, yeah. Did you guys feel that? Yeah, he was over in, like, no time. I was like, wow, for like less than an hour long. I love when he's arguing with Philip Seymour Hoffman, and the argument's basically over.

And then Philip Seymour Hoffman just decides, like, I want to get the last word in. And he says, now get the fuck out of here, pervert. And then he comes back, and he's like, why did I tell you? And then Philip Seymour Hoffman says, that's that. And just like, I'm pushing out, but like, I need to have the last word in an argument. There's so many people that do it, too. When you see people like, making at each other, it's just like, the thing's over, but it's like, I have to have the last word.

I just find that's so true to like normal human interaction of just people bitching at each other. Yeah. Have you guys seen the weird Adam Sandler, Paul Tom Sanderson short that they, I don't know if it's a company or what? It's like a two-minute idiot. It was like left over footage from the movie. Called the couch or something? Yeah.

Very, very strange. I don't remember much about it. But I think I watched that before the movie. It's just, it's like, it's silent apart from a bunch of like sound effects. It's just Adam Sandler farting and like sitting in chair. I think it's supposed to be like a mockery of, um, the stuff he normally does. Yeah. Yeah, it's very strange.

Okay. Yeah, cool. I was thinking of the other one. There's one called, um, Blossoms and Plessoms and, blood, which is the leftover footage from this movie editing together with John Bryan music, yeah. But that sounds fucking great.

The couch one. There's only like two minutes long, so... Maybe you'd recommend it for next week. Two minute long movie? Not much to say, but yeah. I mean, you never know. I love when he's on vacation or in Hawaii, I guess.

And he politely calls his extortionists. Like, Sorry to bother you That's gonna be out of town I'm gonna Yeah Like being so fucking polite to them

It's like I think that this is illegal And I might have to get the police involved If you don't give me my money back So you should give that back to me And I'll be back by this time And I'll meet you then It's really funny Yeah

That's great You know what I really like was that Car crash towards the end The way that was edited way It was just silent apart from the breathing if you remember. Oh yeah. I love that.

That was a really interesting technique that I just haven't seen before. Yeah, it was really well executed. Even the car crash in the beginning was really well done. It was just like super quiet and then the fucking loud car crash. Yeah, that's when I noticed like my...

Yeah, that's when you noticed. Yeah, the same thing happened with me. I do... That is one of those things that I... That does feel like kind of a cheap presentation in a way when there's a vehicle that's clearly

coming towards him but you don't notice it until the last second only because they remove the audio of the vehicle coming towards him or they add in the audio of the vehicle abruptly when that's not how it works in real life, you know? They did that at the end of unfriended.

It's a small nitpick kind of thing. Yeah, it's a movie. But it reminds me it's a movie. Yeah, this movie's not realistic. It reminds me it's a movie. But this whole movie reminds you it's a movie. No, I wouldn't say so.

It's never realistic. Or I guess the characters are somewhat flawed. I wouldn't say realistic. They're still a little comical, but yeah, nothing about this movie's realistic. It's all over the top Hollywood-ish presentation. I guess so. I didn't have that issue. It's quite comical.

I really love the silhouette shot when they meet and kiss in Hawaii. Yeah. I thought that that was really sweet. Really fitting. It was really good looking. good, it's a good date movie. It's just hang out of your girlfriend or boyfriend, watch a movie.

Yeah. Totally. That's kind of where it ends for me though. Like it doesn't have that greater effect. Yeah. It leaves me thinking. That's what it ends for me too. But it just doesn't leave me with that.

You know, like something like under the skin where it's like that left an impression. I can be thinking about that one. That's a very different. Of course there are. You know what I mean? A lot of the movies we've left or even something like happiness, which has a lot of like awkward character. characters and stuff. That left me with more of a profound effect because that film made me

laugh a lot. I would say the opposite. Really? This left me with much more of an impression than happiness did. Really? Yeah. I think happiness is going for something a little more challenging. Yeah, which is why I appreciate it more than this, which isn't, it's not trying to be challenging at all. It's just trying to be a good movie. It's trying to be a good entertaining movie. And it totally succeeds. There's just so much depth and detail when it comes to how the characters are presented in this film. It's so meticulous in that sense. His date starts telling a story that his sister told her and you can see this like nervous little tick, you know, he like jerks himself like you can tell immediately like that it's getting under his skin without it being like

super exaggerated. You know, it still feels super realistic that this is a person who's probably somewhat autistic and has emotional issues that he's holding back from people. And you just see this like these little, these little moments where it's piercing through as he's trying to hold it back. And I just, I love it so much. And he would just walk with just uncertainty, you know, how like, just like, it's just like, character like that would walk. There was points

where he would just start running and then he would lose confidence in himself like oh why am I running? I could just walk there and he'd like walk again. There were funny stuff like that that people I know who are like him do totally do shit like that. Yeah, what really caught me off guard I guess

is that this isn't just a great performance for Adam Sandler. Like this is a great performance period. Yeah. This is a legitimately fantastic performance. Yeah. And I think everyone's great in this movie. It's just Adam Sandler. Adam Sandler steals the show. Philip Seymour Hoffin's fucking great in this too. Yeah, he's brilliant. I mean,

he's not in a lot, but he's, he's the best. He always does his best. Did you notice that his girlfriend is the replacement Hazel from Senectekee, New York? Yeah, I did. Yeah. Replacement Hazel. I haven't seen her in much. I've seen her in like two things. What's her name? I don't remember her name. Oh Isn't it Emily Watson? Yeah, I think so Something like that

I don't know what else I've seen her She's great in this as well She's fantastic Yeah Emily Watson She's in Kingsman Oh Well I didn't watch that It sucked

Don't even watch it Yeah I'm not planning on it Yeah you don't need And water horse She's in water horse Okay, cool Great I gotta recommend that one day.

There's that scene where she calls the front desk for him after he left. Just to say, like, I really felt like kissing you, by the way. He runs around for like 10 minutes trying to come back to her. Yeah, trying to find her apartment again. Oh, it's so good. It's like, it's so endearing. Yeah. This movie left a huge impression on me.

I really loved it. Good. Oh, I'm glad you liked it. Did you find it funny at all? Yeah. At any point. Kind of very funny. Yeah.

Really? Okay. Oh, you didn't? I never, I didn't think I laughed like once. Because you're British. I thought it was cute. I thought it was cute and quirky the whole time. Actually, you know, I think I laughed once when he was on the phone to his sister screaming.

Fucking yelling at his. Yeah, that bit got me. You didn't laugh when he beat up those guys? No. I found it more, I found it more endearing and cute and quirky than... Okay. overtly funny. I thought, I don't know. It just didn't, on a humorous level, really gel with me. I thought it was the other parts, how honest it kind of was with its characters was what I was

attaching myself to more than the humor. What do you think was the purpose of the harmonium, like that small piano thing? He kept coming back to it. It was like his comfort. It's like the only comfort he got in life. He just felt like at peace around it. And again, the people who have the Superman theory say that's like the fortress of solitude. That's like his, his office is his safe space, you know, his like lair, which is cool. Yeah. Was that instrument not in the soundtrack at all or something? No, I think it was.

Would have to listen again. Yeah, it is. It is. It totally is, because I've listened to it before. It has that instrument in it. Yeah, I've forgotten what it's called already because it's not. Harmonium. What did you say, harmonium? That's the one, yeah, harmonium. Yeah, I just remember. but I was reading about it afterwards.

He was just obsessed with the instrument and knew he wanted to have it in his next film. And it just happened to be this one. Oh, that's great. That was the main reason he put it in. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh, cool.

There's a piano in the street. That's like the real life reason. Yeah. And I love that. It just fucking pops up on the street. And he's like, should I take it? Yeah. Sure.

And that's how the movie starts. I do think the movie takes a little while to get going, too. Well, yeah. The first 20 minutes are pretty, pretty aimless. It's before the soundtrack kicks in. Yeah, from before, yeah. As soon as the soundtrack kicks in, it's like nonstop. Before that point, I wasn't really sure what movie it was going to be,

but as soon as the soundtrack happened, I'm like, oh, it's this. Crazy. Yeah, I'd agree with that. And even still, it was something new. Yeah. Is that all we have to say about Punch Drunk Love? I guess. I think we've discussed a lot.

I mean, there isn't that that much greater to discuss apart from just like bits we liked, and that's why my biggest issue with it. everything about it's like very deliberate very thoughtful like every element of it is like a 10 out of 10 on its own but um on like a personal level it's just it's definitely not my favorite one of his films that I've seen um oh yeah or I'd say yeah for as far as for what it was going for it's definitely as you said one of the better romantic comedies that exists um but you know it doesn't leave me with much more after that why do you hate everything so so oh no man nice one nice got him does that mean you hate yourself okay anyway I think this movie's great for what it is super entertaining it's not trying to change cinema it's just a good movie I give it four out of five nice Alex did you I give it the same yeah four out of five yeah I forgot to get it I did I get the same though I would give it a 9 out of 10.

Ah, all right. Almost the same. Did you guys, like, I watch like most things with subtitles. I feel like I get a lot more out of it. This is one of those movies where there were some like mumbling conversations as well that like the subtitles very clearly translated and I feel like I might not have picked up on a couple of the lines. if they weren't on. So like when he shows up to the party at his sisters

and like as soon as he's opening the door they're talking about that like oh yeah we used to call him gay and he would hate it like they repeat the line after but it brings a lot of context to him like doing this like almost OCD like open the door, nope go back out

open the door, no they're still talking about it and it's just like hearing that right away brought a lot to it I feel or you know seeing the subtitles right away also. That's interesting. Yeah. I normally try to avoid subtitles because I don't like it when lines are spoiled before they're finished.

Yeah, me too. I find it distracting. I'm usually just looking at the text and not the frame. I'm not distracted at all by. Unless it's foreign, then I don't care. Hmm. All right. That's fair.

Only if I'm watching a foreign movie or some country, like, Brit Bong. If I'm watching something British. Something Scottish, yeah. If I'm watching under the skin and that bus driver comes on, I turn the subtitles on. Greg, your, bra, bra, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, questions? Yeah, I guess it's question time, isn't it? Let's do it.

Oh, thank you, Alex. You got questions, Alex? I thought you were going to intro it. Oh, no, you intro it. This is the part where we answer the questions. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer next episode, head over to the Sardonicast Reddit, where Ralph hopefully would have left a thread.

Today's first question comes in from Rayman 323, who says, What's a film that you loved upon first view? but eventually grew out of, in quotation marks, over time. Punch drunk love. Although I still think it's great. I've got a more dramatic answer than that. Mine being The Dark Night Rises.

I watched it again since, for the first time since, I guess, 2013, 2014, whenever it came out. I watched it again a few weeks ago. That film does not hold up. I'd say it's actually kind of bad. Yeah. I gave it like a two star in the end I was finding it

Really really like incompetent in a lot of ways I'd be really curious for you guys to go back and watch that one At some point yeah I haven't seen I wanted to bait it with you It's gone down in my ratings just from memory Yeah Oh wow I think it's still good I haven't seen it in a while though When was the last time you saw it is the question It was like two years ago

Yeah man there's certain parts I was actually laughing out loud At it instead of with it which was not good. And before that, like a week before that, I watched the Dark Night as well, but that's still, like, held up. So, I mean, I think it was just that one. Yeah.

All right, well, how about I watch it again, and I'll get back to you, and maybe we debated a bit. I mean, we might actually think the same thing. We might both think it sucks still. Who knows? I don't know. Like, how far back are we allowed to go with this shit?

Because I could say, like, Richie Rich. I could say, like, any movie I watched it as a kid. Just whatever it comes to your mind. Yeah, Richie Rich. A film you really used to idolize. Just choose something like you really, like, used to idolize. Like, I really used to like the Night Rises, but now, something like that. There aren't that many movies that I really used to, like, idolize that I dislike at this point.

Just things that I thought were, like, great, I guess, at a younger age when I was less critical or less aware of what I was watching, you know. So, I mean, if anything that I watched. when I was a kid basically and then I don't know if we're gonna talk about like movies I watched when I was like teenager adult or whatever then I don't know I watched District 9 again last night and I still value and appreciate it for many reasons but it's like it's so fucking cheesy and clunky and filled with plot holes too at the same time you know yeah how he breaks his arm and then it turns into an alien arm there's a million for some reason it is all there's a

a lot. I still think District 9 is a great movie, but yeah, I get you. Next question? I got one. Okay, do you on then? I don't know if you want to answer this one, Alex, but this one asks, well, it's from Henroy X-11.

Adam and Ralph, are you aware that Alex urinated on his brother? Is this a story we should hear? Why did you choose that one? Yurinated on what? Because it's the top-rated comment. It's the top-rated Reddit thing. So... Urinated on my brother

was the question. Oh, let me hear this story. So, this is like the dance of reality, or... I guess when I was three

and my brother was zero, um, he was like playing with some Plato and I peed on him for some reason. I don't know. That's it?

I can't remember what it was like being three. Oh, I thought it was like, I thought it was gonna be some really like fucked up story. No. That's pretty innocent. To be fair, my mother was quite concerned,

and she, like, took me to a psychiatrist and stuff, because he was three. You know what, like... Yeah. It's just a way of, like, keeping your brother in his place. You've got to pay on him now and again. Yeah.

Mark your character. It's just a dumb thing, kids, too. Basically. That did terrible stuff to my little brother, you know, like made him eat Play-Doh, put it in his hair, you know. Oh, yeah. I've done awful stuff to my little brother.

I was the younger brother. I cracked his had open once by accident. Oh, you poor thing. I was being abused. So your brother bullied you a lot? No. You were the abused. It's okay.

It's fun. We've made peace at this point. He's just trying to help you. Yeah, I'm sure. Making you stronger. For sure. Yeah, make you stronger. That's right.

So to answer that question, no, I was not aware. Now you are. You are now. You are now. It's half the battle. Alex, you want to ask another one? Will N.P. says, thoughts on the new Oscar changes.

Oh, yeah. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. Yeah, Adam, actually it's hilarious. Someone who explain what has been changed before going into it? Yes. I can explain it unless you want. Okay, yeah, you explain it if you want.

No, Adam, go ahead. So basically, the Oscars looked at the numbers for ratings last year, and we're like, wow, this is one of the lowest viewed Oscars in history. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we got Jimmy Kimmel to host again, And it certainly doesn't have anything to do with all of these obnoxious movie montages and wasting time and, you know, over politicized, blah, blah, blah, and just bullshit and all these stupid skits of like, hey, look at us. We're mingling with the commoners. Ha, ha, ha, ha, let's throw some hot dogs at this guy's head who was just trying to watch a movie. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Look at us. We touched a poor person, yeah. Nothing to do with any of that. We're going to change the Oscar categories so that we created a new. category for achievement in popular film, which everyone's just assuming is like, oh, they just want to give an award to a popular movie, which is like, don't you already just have the techies for that anyway? You know, like, don't you already, you already expanded the best picture category to 10 nominations so you can include things just to get ratings that you know won't win anyway, right?

So what is this new category going to do? And now apparently they're also moving some of the technical categories into commercial breaks, so they're not actually going to be aired live. And they're going to, like, I guess do like a montage wrap up at the end. So we're not even going to like get to see that part live, I guess. Like, I don't know. The people who are interested in the Oscars or interested in film, like, you're not going to get any more people out of it that are going to see it just because like,

oh, this popular movie I like is in that, you know, like, you already have those people anyway. You already have celebrity gockers and people who just give a shit about seeing Brad Pitt on TV for three seconds or whatever. Like those people already watch. The people who care about film are ones who are going to want to see people delivering their acceptance speech. You know? Why cut that shit out? Cinephiles are going to watch it. Yeah.

Like that's the market that you need to be able to lock down. And I think that that's the market that you've been losing, you know? Yeah. That's why the Oscars are. unpopular anymore because people are totally disenfranchised. Yeah, people don't take it seriously anymore. The whole system. No, it's like, oh, it's a industry

filled with a bunch of fucking creeps. And I don't, I don't care about watching these fucking actors, these husks of people, fucking dance around a stage, act like they're better than me. No one wants to watch that. I mean, Adam, you said it's because of all the boring shit and the montages.

It's like, no. They've been doing that shit for for years and no one's cared. It's just recently, all this shit has come out, about Hollywood. And now it's like, oh, I can just watch movies on Netflix. I don't even need fucking Hollywood.

I don't need to watch the Oscars. If you compare the amount of time that they gave to acceptance speeches and the actual awards and the actual programming to what it is today, they've clearly cut out a lot of the shit that, you know, people who care about movies would find important. They've already been compressing that.

Oh, yeah, to make it more mainstream. Yeah, I mean, they want to turn themselves into the MTV movies. movie awards apparently. Yeah. But that's their problem, is that they have

been doing that. Right. They don't understand shit. They should be doing the opposite. All they would need to do is just watch one of my Oscars videos. Yeah. So what Black Panther's going to get an award? Great. Well, that's exactly what it is, Alex. It's like they're giving the Black Panther

award. It's like Disney mandated that Black Panther get an Oscar. And it is. That's probably what's going to win is Black Panther, even though it's not that good. And it's so dumb. Yeah, they have no fucking idea what they're doing. They are old and out of touch. Yeah, like Hollywood. That's all of Hollywood. That was old and out of touch. They're like, we don't even know what people want to see anymore. Yeah. Jurassic Park 4? Sure. Why not? Sender Man. Kids like Sender Man, even though like

60 year old, dude, that got old 10 years ago. Wrote the dialogue for these teenage girls, but he doesn't understand what a teenage girl is. And they all use the internet, but they have no idea, like, how social media works at all. So they write in these fake fucking social media apps, like igram or something. Clicksters. It's, yeah, clickster. It's so

stupid. Instead of Google, it's like, search it up. It's called some shit like that and, like, colored text. It's so fucking bad. Everyone's just fed up with the Hollywood same shirt. Pretty hilarious. So anyway, that's our opinion on that. I guess so, unless you guys

have more to add to it. Yeah, fuck them. Nah, it's fucking stupid. It speaks for it, so. Want to do, like, two more? Yes, sure. Questions. All right. Some moron named Tom asks,

Are there any recent movies that have received bad or mixed reviews that you think will become cult classics in the future? That's a good question. Let me think about that. I feel that way about a lot of horror movies. I think Hereditary is bound to be a cult hit. Well, it's pretty successful, right? I mean, it depends what you mean by reviews,

because like audience score, it was relatively low, but critical reviews. And it was a successful movie. Yeah. So I guess I shouldn't say that. That got great critical reviews. Mm-hmm. I mean, my answer was always Scott Polgram, but that's already gained occult status now because it's been out for so long. I don't know.

It comes at night. It's a really hard question. Yeah. It comes at night was also relatively well received among critics. It was just audience score. Yeah, that's true. Same with like mother. Mm-hmm.

And box office. Yeah, mother. I don't know. Mother will gain a cult status. I think Mother's interesting. I think Mother's a good movie, even though the reviews were mixed. I don't know.

Hmm. You got some? Alex? Adam? Recently. I don't know. I don't know if it will be a cult movie, but I'll be curious

what the general accepted opinion of the last yellow is in 10 years. Hmm. I don't think it's going to get any better, but who knows? I don't think so either. I think it'll get worse. We'll see.

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. It's a really hard question, though. Yeah, I'm trying to think of something like that. I think annihilation will be remembered like that. Because I don't think that was that successful, even though critically it was well received. Yeah, I just don't know. I feel like I mostly agree with critics most of the time.

Yeah. Yeah. As long as it's over a certain quality, it's not going to be panned. So it's very rare. I mean, not always. It's not always true. Like Bruno was a movie that like even critics were like. Yeah

Or like weird art movies Enter the Void is like a 70 something Yeah Rotten Tomatoes Yeah weird art movies Is in that category for sure I just don't get worked up over what other people think I'll enjoy the movies I want

I guess that we can't answer that question Because it's too hard Yeah Sorry Let's see Sorry Let's see Let's see

from I'm the Baron 13. Which writer-director do you really want to see work together? Does it have to be ones that haven't? Sure. I don't know. It's like I would like to see another Charlie Kaufman Spike Jones combo, but I think they're doing their own things now, which are also interesting in their own way,

not to say that their solo projects are worse. Like they've been doing great. I don't think it'll ever happen again because now that, like, Spike Jones, Jones is filled in the writing and Charlie Kaufman is filled in the directing, so why would they? Yeah, exactly. Charlie Kaufman directs his own stuff. I'd rather see Charlie Kaufman direct his own stuff. Ultimate control again. Right. Like, why would you give that up? But I was going to say Charlie Kaufman. I mean, I guess the only two famous screenwriters I really know about Charlie Kaufman and Aaron Sorkin.

Those are like the go-to, right? And then there's other ones that aren't as famous. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of my favorite like artists, they write and direct their own stuff, so it's like so entangled with both of them. Yeah. I guess you can mix them up, a movie written by

Tarantino and directed by Rodriguez. Rodriguez. Robert Rodriguez? Yeah. It basically done that. You guys see that trailer for Alita Battle Angel? Yeah, it is. Looks like shit.

Yeah, it looks very, very old. What's with the eyes? It looks so bad. I don't know. I don't get it. Yeah. I think it's because it's based on an anime or something. Yeah.

She's the only one like that. Yeah. She's a robot, I guess. I think Robert Rodriguez's justification was it's anime or it's based on anime, so I made her eyes big. I can't attest to that 100%, but. But if it's just her, why doesn't everyone have big eyes? They'll make no sense. Because Robert Rodriguez doesn't make good decisions.

I want to see. a movie written by Michael Bay and directed by Michelle Hanukkah. Because I want to know what he could possibly do to a Michael Bay script to turn it into a genius work of art. Yeah, you know what? That's actually a good way to go with it. Marlon Waynes is going to write my script, and then it's going to be directed by David Lynch. I was thinking David Lynch. I want to see what David Lynch does with a Marlon Wayne script.

I'd watch it. Yeah, I'd watch it too. Totally watch it. There's plenty of combos of, like, shitty writer and then amazing director that would just be very interesting to see. Yeah. Or we could do vice versa. Tommy Waiso directing and Aaron Sorkin writing. Yeah.

That would be cool to see. And then Tommy Wysso's in it reading Aaron Sorkin dialogue. I'd love that. Charlie Kaufman, Neil Breen. Yep, that's a good one. You got one, Alex? I don't know. David Fincher, director.

like a Tommy Zoo movie It's just so the stuff It's weird sterile Charlie Kaufman writing Derek Savage directing That could be interesting It would just never get made He would just scam people Start a Kickstarter and then just not do it

Yeah Here's one last one Willie Butts asks us If you could turn any movie into a video game what would it be? Okay. Imagine a world in a movie you love so much and you think is so interesting

you want to see it ported into a video game. That's what I think. And for me, that would be Blade Runner. What would be Brazil? Like one of those. Or Mad Max, although Mad Max has been made into games. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of movies that could be video games are video games.

And like every video game just steals its world like from movies anyway. So many games inspired by Blade Runner and all that. The Uncharted series is just Indiana Jones. Yeah. Last of Us takes from children of men. Let's do irreversible on the HTC V. That's a good one. I like that.

You know what, End to the Void would be cool? That would be a cool fucking game and you just hover over people. Yeah, it could be like an interactive story thing. What about Ready Player 1? Hey, nice one. Oh, yeah, I guess Ready Player 1 is a video game. Why didn't they do that? is the real question.

Yeah, it's a near. Because they realized the concept wouldn't work in a real video game. They tried it, and it didn't work. How about Stay Alive, starring Frankie Munez? The Meg. The Meg would be a better game, and so would skyscraper. Yeah, the skyscraper would be a great game. What was yours, Adam?

Stay Alive, starring Frankie Munez. Is that what it was called? Stay Alive? It's a movie where, like, the characters are playing a game, but if they die in the game, they die in real life. It's one of those stupid things. It's a Yucchio. It's dramatic.

All right. The room. The video game. There is that. Cool cat saves the kids. There was supposed to be a video game for Antichrist. Really? Yeah.

It got abandoned. There was supposed to be some PC game for Antichrist. Wow. Isn't that weird? Yeah. That would have been cool. A Lars von Trier video game? I want to see Lars von Trier make a video game.

That would be fucking cool. Cool. Yeah. Dancer in the dark and it's like a rhythm game. It's like a guitar hero game. Yeah. It's like Beat Saber. Except if you lose, you get hung.

Speaking of Beat Saber, I beat the entire Shrek movie on Beat Saber. Yeah. It's on my gaming channel. Check it out. That's awesome. I'm proud of myself. What do you mean you beat the whole Shrek movie? So Beat Sabre has custom tracks, right? And so you can...

Yeah, I'm aware. Any song you want you can map out the track and so somebody took all of the audio from Shrek and mapped out like all the dialogue and it's very well designed is the scary part Like everything makes logistical sense so if a character's like waving around a torch You're basically like imitating the action But then the real tricky parts are like the movie has so many songs in it where it's like okay so you're actually doing a beat saber track within this this longer track and then when Eddie Murphy starts talking

it's like like so many notes that you're hitting yeah oh man that sounds actually really fun it was great 85 minutes straight five minutes straight a beat saver yeah that'd be a great workout do that once a day you get fucking fit

you get ripped in no time anyway I guess that's it for questions thank you everybody those are nice thank you so much someone has to recommend a movie right Not me. It's my turn, this one.

So I've got my list. Like you do, I don't know. I'm deciding whether I want to do a goofy one or a serious one. A goofy movie? Yeah, a goofy movie, guys. Woo! I suppose because we just watched like a lighthearted one. Well, relatively lighthearted, I suppose.

We can go to... Let's do Jacob's Ladder. You guys seen that? Okay. I saw it a long time ago, but it's, it will be basically a new experience. Yeah, yeah, I'm in the same position. Yeah. I feel like it might resonate way more. Okay.

Do you know anything about it, Ralph? No, I know not a thing. Okay, that's good. Just look forward to it. Cool. Don't do any research or anything. Just watch it, I say. Awesome.

To the list. Good pick. Thank you. Jacob's Ladder. What year is that film? Oh, um. Is it about a ladder who comes to a ladder who comes to a ladder? life, Jacob's Ladder. It was 1990.

And then they're like best friends and they hang out. Jacob's Ladder and the giant peach. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, sounds fun. Adrian Lynn. Is the director? Yeah. Has he done anything else?

Fatal Attraction. Oh, okay. The Jeremy Irons remake of Lolita. Oh, all right, not so good. Nine and a half weeks. He's made good stuff. before nine and a half weeks good movie okay no it isn't I'm just more curious more than anything cool yeah I'm sure we'll have a big memories of it

yeah hopefully it will spark some kind of discussion and not just be lame okay cool we'll see yeah let's hope so robins I'm sure it will be perfect no nice thank you so much for listening to this episode of Sardoni cast if you would like to support the show or listen to the episodes early head over to Sardonic Codinicast.com, $2 a month, will get you the episodes as soon as they are edited, which is usually a few days before they are published publicly. Also, patreon.com slash sardonicast does the same thing.

Thank you so much. Any final closing statements or concerns? No, just on two drugs, kids. Unless they're quail-less. Unless that sleep one. Yeah, yeah. Jankham's not a drug. That's a lifestyle.

It's a natural drug. It's a lifestyle. And we'll end it there. All right. Thank you, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye.