Sardonicast - Sardonicast 158: Sound of Freedom, Blow Out

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

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Three, two, one. Never trust a pedophile. I'm Adam from your movie Sex and that was a quote. From the sound of freedom. Well, that might be up there. What are the best ones? I love that. It's a pretty good quote.

This is a Sardonicast. Yeah. I'm Alex from I adrenachrome everything. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, we got a... I just don't even want to dance around with this one. Yes.

I've been hype to talk about this movie. I... Of course, what? Sound of freedom, right? It took me so long to watch it. Alex has been begging me to watch this movie for like fucking half a year. Were you putting it off on purpose? I've been busy and depressed, and I was like...

I just didn't want to watch something that I knew I was just going to be, like, irritated at. We got the movie for you. I needed some good vibes or like good movie with depressing vibes, right? Not bad movie with bad vibes. Yeah, so it took me a while. I finally watched it. Oh man, where do you even begin? I don't know.

Like, it might have me worth talking about maybe single-handedly the thing that annoyed me the most about the film outside of the weird, like, I don't know, its reputation proceeds it. There's this whole kind of Coney 2012. social contagion. It's literally Connie 2012. Could you imagine

being tricked by Connie 2012 in 23? Could you imagine being that fucking stupid? Yeah, is it like a boomer? 20, like, Coney?

Yeah, it's literally like if you want to stop child trafficking, click the QR code in the end credits of the movie to buy tickets for people who can't attend. Even if they can't

Buy tickets for your friends because you're stopping child trafficking. Yeah, by doing this thing that directly financially benefits us. In the copy, I watched, it didn't have that. How do you say his last name? Is it Cavizel? Yes. Yeah, where like Jim Coviesel. Jimmy boy.

I could just say Jesus, I guess. He is Jesus. Yeah, in the, there are, I guess there are versions of the film where he appears in the credits as the actor, not the character, and then addresses the audience. That's the theatrical release. So they removed it for the home video, I guess, I don't know, because it's crazy. Because it's very clearly a scam. So did they like patch that in after the film was doing better than they expected?

It must have been something like this, right? Because this has been flirting around since like 2018, right? if I think I have that right. There wasn't much confidence in this project as a whole, and it was kind of the producers were they wanted other people for certain actors, and it's all been like a quiet little mess that had no faith in, but I guess it found its crowd. And not like a small crowd.

This is one of the more successful films of last year, especially compared to its budget. What's crazy is this movie was playing in Canada. And the UK. Yeah. Usually when there's like a crazy just only for religious people basically movie It's just the US like God's not dead Fucking heaven is for real or let's let's say let's say it's not even like

explicitly religious but let's say like a Dinesh D'Souza movie or something or like just some like pandering obvious manipulative The liberals don't want you to see this and because we're saying that they're trying to surprise size sort of thing. That's usually just in America because Americans are usually the only ones that feel very strongly in that direction about those things. This one, yeah, I'm shocked. It crossed borders because it was doing so well financially.

I wonder if people actually saw it. Scott saw it. Yeah, I'd be curious how much money it made in the UK too. I don't know how many QA on QA nonners are in this side of the the world and how many people watching it are part of that or because the film doesn't actually go into conspiracies as such. It's more just about the quote unquote real life adventures of this this fellow Tim Ballard. And it's I don't know, there's such a disconnect because you watch the movie and it was like, I don't know that it's kind of what I was getting at earlier that the actual filmmaker. making itself is like so oh my god it's so flat so boring it's so uninteresting it's so it's so badly made in basically every way that it's like so what what is it about this film outside of

this message is as ridiculous to me as saying like oh yeah I'm saving the environment by watching avatar yeah you know it's like it's like that level of like what do you mean just because it's about something like controversial or so well no because because Before this film people didn't know that child trafficking existed. Well that's yeah I was trying to think about um you know that film uh spotlight in 2015 also about the similar kind of thing similar concepts. Yeah. Were people as incensed about that film around that time?

I know that I got critical like love but not like this groundswell of like people they're trying to repress this subject. They're trying to hide the truth. I don't I don't get how it can similar to. be a subject that's trying to be hidden, but also in a film that's like a surprise hit that all these people are seeing. That no one was forced to screen, by the way. There was no law saying AMC theaters had to put it in their theater. There's no regulatory body that is forcing AMC to screen these films. And yet, and yet the conversation around this all over the fucking internet, all these crazy.

fucking lunatics were going like am she's trying to stop us from seeing the movie because one of the theaters wouldn't have like proper heating working which has happened to me before i watched wally with no fucking air conditioning in the summer it sucked by the end of the movie it was a pack theater it sucked right people are talking about like oh this never happens when like you the fire alarm like i don't even remember the the specific allegation like the screening stopped halfway through because of a technical issue it's like yeah that's happened to me a billion fucking times. You're going to say like, oh, they were trying to stop me from watching M-Nights old. The theater got evacuated because of a fucking fire alarm. It sucked. We had to go to another

theater. The fucking, uh, the real burnt up halfway through fucking a profit, right? Like, if you see enough movie, if you're outside your house, ever, right? If you experience a type of thing, you'll experience an issue with the type of thing just based on probability alone. I see a lot of movies and theaters. So I've experienced way more of these. than the average person, right? Yeah, I've had that happen too. And it's just like, as if all that wasn't enough on its own, the disconnecting the experience of when the movie ends,

and then you're like, let's read about the real fellow then this is based on, let's read about what actually happened and the true story of this, like the true true story. And what you find is like things don't line up with the film and he's like quite this controversial figure and there's all this like, it's just like a mess it's like what what is what is what is this then really i just all i wanted was i was just aching for like a documentary about this man from yeah sure that'd be yeah actually great that'd be a great one yeah yeah that's all i wanted from yeah because there clearly is some

kind of intrigue or story here like what what happened was kind of nuts you know but it's like that doesn't excuse the piss poor filmmaking that and the that puts the this story together or tries to tell it like anchoring it around uh jimmy boy jesus his performance it he's he's actually like scary in a way that i don't think's intended he's got this like wooden glazed it's like he's not even there in the scene it's like he's not even yeah it genuinely kind of reads like that and i don't know if he's trying something or if he's because i have seen okay performances from him before um and like in that Malik movie but I think that's more the direction carrying him I think he's trying to be

like stoic like one of those silent heroes yeah drive you know mr. yeah I think that's what he's trying to do and I think that's what a lot of people love seeing is like he's the hero America needs him to be he's he's yeah he's like he's yeah he's he's a good American hero too right he's got his wife he's got his kids he cares about the children, bro. Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's a coincidence that, like, freedom. The word freedom.

The word freedom. Yeah. I was saying the other day, like, it's imagine, imagine if there was a movie called the sound of trans. And at the end, they said they were going, they were going to stop, like, transgenocide or, like, attacks on trans people just purely by buying a ticket to the movie. with a QR code It's literally that embarrassing

People don't understand What they look like People don't understand How fucking obviously duped They're being And it's what's fascinating to me About this Is I think like

When you get higher up at the top Of like this media human centipede And you get channels I don't know Like Ben Shapiro Tim Poole Critical Drinker to some extent Fucking Charlie Kirk and they're all promoting the fuck out of this movie

because they all got the cue and they're all like one sort of amorphous blob of just like, yes, I will repeat what other people are saying about this thing. Do they understand that they're being duped and they're okay duping their audience as well? Or are they also stupid? Are they also just that stupid?

Or do they even care? Maybe there's like just no difference between the two and they've got so much cognitive dissonance that they've stopped even concerning themselves. with whether or not they care about whether or not they're stupid or they're just following orders or just being a part of the crowd or, you know, saying what their audience wants them to hear, a lot of audience capture, right? Yeah. Like, ooh, this is the movie the liberals. Don't want you to see it, bro?

And then I asked, I literally asked, so I saw this on stream, I ranted about it. There's a fucking highlights video on the highlights channel about it right now. and I'm like asking people like okay who was trying to stop the movie from being seen who was saying we should ban the movie and was trying to stop people from seeing it and these fucking people will actually respond with things that they claim to be evidence but are just other people saying it so they'll they'll be like see here and they'll point to a tweet and it'll be like

Jackson Hinkle and the content of the tweet says CNN is saying that we should ban this movie and then you watch the video that he linked and nowhere in it does it say that they just said it's bad and it's QAnon adjacent because Jim Koviesel is going around

promoting the movie talking about adrenachrome which is true and I fucking verify you idiots that clip is crazy yeah and so like I don't know if these people are being like intentionally obtuse or if they're just like a that by being mistaken and like really easily taken advantage of by

conservative pundits that they think they're being owned or something and that they like can't admit that they're they're wrong about something like it's it's very embarrassing it's more embarrassing that they that they can't be like oh okay wait that is stupid that's the embarrassing part not the fact that they were wrong in the first place but the fact that when confronted with no evidence to support their position at all which is that the film was being suppressed, which is not true. Like, people wrote articles saying it was bad. That's it.

Yeah. No, like, you couldn't even find in the CNN, you couldn't even find them saying, you shouldn't watch this. You couldn't even find that as a suggestion in the video that you liked. You couldn't even find that. Like, so it's not even, you can't even interpret it as they don't want you to see it and, like, they're trying to ban it.

You can't even interpret it that way. You actually have to be lying. And so if enough of these people are lying and enough of these people are repeating a lie, do they all just think it's true and enough of them think it's true? Because it's like, well, everybody on my team is saying it's true. That's insane. But what is this important message that is people so incensed though? Like, what is it that this is going on at all?

Like, is that what people are taking away that they have no idea that human trafficking as a concept existed and this is the thing that introduced that concept to them? And that's like a powerful thing. This one, this film in particular is, you know, there's human trafficking that exists, right? A lot of it happens, you know, between states, not necessarily internationally. It does happen internationally. Obviously, you know, the whole fucking Jeff Epstein and, et cetera, et cetera. Like there are 1,000 percent.

There are people with a shit ton of money that are probably also pedophiles that probably are finding ways to abduct. and traffic children because they have money, right? The richer you are, the more powerful you are, the easier it probably is to get away with some of that stuff. You probably are able to just make things disappear with money. This is focusing on that particular brand of the child trafficking and doing so in such a very explicitly,

like, it's giving the audience exactly what they want to hear in terms of little treats to support the, not necessarily that Q&OND existed as a whole thing before this movie came out, but the exact same ideas that go into sort of Q&on conspiracies of like, okay, it's very specifically Jewish, Jewish pedophiles in this global cabal, and that's like the basis for child sex trafficking that they don't want you to know about. So the beginning of the movie, we have this like greasy looking dude with a big nose,

and they say his last name about, I don't know, at least three times. Oshinsky, Oshinsky, that guy, Oshinsky, this pedophile, Oshinsky, this big guy, he's raping all the kids. And I just do a Google search, I'm like, okay, Oshinsky name. Oh, it's Jewish, very interesting. And it's like, okay, are we going to be that explicit? Are we going to be that explicit? Remember, this is the equivalent, I think I told you about this. Remember that Oscar winning short film called Skin?

Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. it was like oh my dad's so racist and then just showing this like oh i'm such a racist guy and then he learns his lesson by being tattooed completely black like black is night they're like we're gonna we're gonna show you what it's like and then even though it's he's literally just walking around in permanent black face it which is like the funniest fucking thing of the world and then it's like oh man i didn't realize and then his kid shoots him because he thinks he's a black guy bringing house when you're that explicit about what you're saying and handling it in such a sloppy and obtuse way it's literally just like this right when you're when you're starting out

going like Oshinsky like it's very clear what you're trying to get at so is that an like a subconscious intention though would you think there's more to it in terms of stuff that's what's difficult to figure out that's a good question is it just how much Did they lean into it? And also, even if even if the film started production, like, who knows what it turned into from when it started to, you know, when it got released? Who knows if, you know, these conspiracy theories online become more prominent as time goes on, you know, because people just have more access to the internet and more access to

misinformation and just dumb shit that people repeat. Yeah. So who knows exactly what the original first draft of this script looked like if it was exactly the same and it just so happens to line up with the whole like. Because this, the weird anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have existed for way longer than QAnon, right? Thousands of years. They just weren't as like public common knowledge especially in the United States, right? They just weren't as like, oh, we're doing this as a mainstriended. talking point now.

It used to be like so fucking fringe that it would be surprising when Mel Gibson had his breakdown. Now it's like, you could probably get away with it. Yeah. Well, there's this whole concept of like dog whistling and people who they're a little bit too into

certain symbols. Like I live near someone who has what's clearly a signal of like a Nazi with like you know, the bird with the but it's got a car logo under it's like it's just just hidden around here but it's like you've always got that plausible deniability with the yeah makes it a dog whistle you know but yeah so like what just that intention for me because like i it's it almost seems like the audience was just

interpreting this in ways that wasn't even fully intended and they kind of just were like oh oh yeah yeah yeah this is come on this everybody has to see this movie let's let's Let's get, let's get Jim back, let's put him in the credits. Yeah, let's massage this and make a shit load of money. I feel like it has to be aware of how it's manipulating people with that end credits thing. The title, the production. Yeah, Angel Studio. Angel.com slash freedom is their link.

Angel.com slash freedom. Angel. Why Angel? Is that like a production company or something? And then Jim being the guy that played fucking Jesus in the Mel Gibson thing, right? Sorry, what were you saying, Alex? So what was that? URL again?

Angel.com slash freedom. Because it's Angel Studios. Oh, Angel Studios. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a lot of interesting words, I guess. A lot of, I don't know. A lot of buzzwords.

This is such a weird film. That's literally like gay.com slash friends. But you don't realize that it's you. You don't realize you're doing the same thing and you're just as easily manipulated, right? It's crazy. Yeah, but it's more like, okay, so people are loving this movie, they're connecting with this movie, and then you go and read reviews, listen to people talk about it, and they're all saying the same kinds of things, but it's not really like anything about the movie. It's like they're not talking about the movie.

Yeah, barely. Barely talking about the movie. Some of them completely forget to talk about the movie and just only say things like, why would you, why wouldn't you support this movie unless you're a pedophile? Like, really? Really? Who is pro this? You know? Like, why is it bold to be anti this?

Like, surely that's kind of the default position, right? Yeah. The overwhelming majority of people. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't feel like I need to stand up and clap for that. Well, I mean, that's why it's like financially, you know, a huge thing. to manipulate people with emotions of like, children are being abused, right?

That's like, it's such a, it's such an easy way to get emotions out of people, which is why in most films, I've complained about this so many fucking times, they refrain from children ever being in danger ever because people will actually get upset. Like, it's, it's triggered into our, our fucking caveman brain DNA. Like, we, there's a protection element to children. We have that. Most human beings have that. Very few percentage-wise human beings don't have that.

So it's not like a new idea that we should be protecting children. Like you just invented something. Yeah. Yeah. But like, yeah, I screenshot one or two of these reviews. I just want to, like, read one. Just for an example, so people can hear the type of, like, rhetoric. Yeah.

I've never really experienced anything like this in a moment. movie theater. Next to me, a grown man sobbed the entire way through. I heard sniffles throughout the entire theater. I had to put my popcorn on the ground because it felt inappropriate to eat popcorn while watching this movie. I even felt wrong lying down in my recliner chair, so I moved it into an upright position. This movie holds a great deal of gravity. Its heaviness is devastating, and if you let it, it could flip your world upside down. The whole point of this film is to flip your world, because unfortunately, we merely go about life as if these are atrocities aren't happening. This movie will try and wake you up to the sick reality of child trafficking.

I reckon it will be successful. It's incredibly well done. Has a fantastic, compelling script for having little budget on the actor's scene. I'd say its performances were beyond excellent, even had some real artistically beautiful shots. Great film, an incredibly powerful message. See this movie. Have your friends and family. See this movie. Share it with all. Movies are as important as they come. Sorry, movies as important as this come only once in a decade. Let it flip your way. world, let it flip the world. Sounds like they had a religious experience, honestly. And also the whole, like, it sounds like a chain email at the end of it. Like, if you don't forward this, your mother will die.

You don't forward this to 100 people. Like, it's really just like a fucking virus mentality, you know? Yeah, it reminds me of when a restaurant, like, bulk buys, like, fake reviews for their own restaurant because they've got, like, they want to boost their place on Google Maps. or whatever. And everybody says the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Why do I have these really say it so similarly? Except I do believe that it's different people in this scenario. It's just that they all say the same thing as each other. They've all got the script. They've all kind of like,

you know, they have this unspoken contract of just like, oh yes, I will repeat what the people on my team are saying without any actual critical thinking, without looking into things yourselves and it's so fucking embarrassing because it took me barely any time at all to like fact-check any of this shit it takes no time no time to fact check this shit to like de- if you think it like try to be critical of your own thoughts right when I have a thought and I'm like okay wait what if this isn't true some people are disputing this I look to debunk the own thoughts that I'm thinking I search for debunks of it if somebody debunks it I search for a debunking of the debunking until I can't find anything else and then I'm like oh okay this this seems to be the correct

information why it's not that difficult we all have computers every single one of us has a fucking phone connected to all the information on the fucking planet right what the hell is your problem like it's so stupid I guess it's just the power of that emotional reaction like people get so incensed yeah but they can't see past that red mist yeah but like I recognize we're kind of doing that almost the inverse of what we're talking about with these reviews where we barely spoken about the movie. It's not even about the movie's boring as fuck. It's so boring. The only scene I can even really remember is that it's so horribly lit.

It kind of looks like it's supposed to be taking place in heaven or something. It's just like a simple scene with Jim. I mean, look at the poster. I mean, Jim. Look at the poster. It's literally like their angels. The chain. Fucking glare.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, he's in, he's supposed to be. to be in his, I guess, back garden with his wife, just having a conversation about what's going to happen. But the set looks so awful. The lighting is so, it's like blown out. You got Jim there with his wooden look. The awful, like, stilted dialogue. Like these reviews talking about how quick the pacing is and how fast everything moves and how exciting and kind of sensational everything is.

And it's like, it really is not. It's kind of the complete inverse to me. It was so plodding, so boring, and the way the kind of plot flowed was so awkward. And there was like no, not the excitement is really necessary, but with what the, the way they're presenting it and the way the, there's like a huge siege, basically, an undercover siege towards the end. And it's like, this is not interesting. This is. Yeah. It's just so boring.

It's the worst thing It's boring It's very repetitive It seems compelling If you're like Really into the idea of like A good guy pretending to be a pedophile To catch the pedophiles

And if that's like just the most compelling But like if that's just like Whoa Like that's your energy That's like your life That's your adrenachrome basically Is like just experiencing that Then I guess you could be maybe excited

For the whole movie But also you know I'm just As a person person that's experienced a lot of, like, religious indoctrination and, you know, had a lot of introspection and self-reflection about it and also consumed a lot of, you know, informational material and documentaries and et cetera. And, and just thought about this for a long time. You know, people convince themselves of a lot of shit, especially emotional experiences when it

comes to religion, right? Like, you see all the fucking, yeah, the mega churches and the whole, like, oh, I'm going to push you over with, like, so. invisible force and like ah or like people speaking in tongues and like crying and breaking down and like the music is there and it's enforcing a certain type of emotion and you believe that because there's this you know this overwhelming sense this urge in ourselves as human beings to have some greater purpose when you convince yourselves yeah and you want to believe that you're a part of that greater purpose you start having an emotional breakdown right and i feel like that same sort of subconscious idea is present in something like this film because people don't just

watch it as a film. They believe that they're a part of some sort of greater purpose by watching it and sticking it to the lips or preventing kids from being trafficked by watching it or whatever they've convinced themselves of and also because they believe they're on God's side and like the blah, blah, blah, blah, right? This is all just emotional manipulation. And most people aren't really self-critical about their own thought processes. Most people don't really try to think about why they think things or aren't self-critical about like what their emotions are and where they're coming from. And so I think, I think it's a bit of that. I think that there are people that have convinced themselves that, you know, and I mean, who's to say that it's any different from any other

emotional experience, but I think that there are people that aren't as aware that most of it is coming from the story behind the film or the media pungitry promoting the film, their emotional experience

is more attached to that than necessarily the film itself. Yeah, I suppose if it's introduced to you by a passionate friend who's like, you've got to see this movie, this is going to change things, man. I guess it's more likely to spread that way like Yeah, there's Copypastas and whatnot

Well, the whole fucking media campaign Not necessarily from the film itself But from the people talking about this film Well, yeah, it actually did come from the film itself They're like, they don't want you to see this But then people took it a step further By pretending like AMC's trying to stop It's like they're screening the movie

That was forcing them to screen the movie they're screening it. What are you talking about? How come the air conditioning isn't working? What? Honestly, almost the inverse is true. I feel like true crime and serial killers and intense subject matter like that is actually very popular and people want to hear about that stuff, you know?

There's heaps of Netflix documentaries about it that do really well, about all sorts of subjects, the macab. But yeah, this one is just incensing people in a different way. And it just bugs me how it acts as if it's informative in some way, as if it's like teaching something or... It's insisting that. And it's what people say, too, that it's, oh, I learned so much about this now. And not only that, but it's so tense and so entertaining.

No. Like, say what you want about Coney, 2012. It's a lot more entertaining than this. Yeah, at least that was 20 minutes. Yeah, I'd watch 20, 2012, five times before I watched this again. Because, man, well, I saw this in November or December of last year, and it's kind of like the Rebel Moon thing where I'm glad you saw it a bit more recently because it's just in one year out the other, it's, it was difficult to stay awake.

It's like that boring, that. interesting and that much of a letdown. I was, I don't know, I don't know what I was expecting. Just maybe something a bit more entertaining on a more surface level, because I feel like that would make more sense for why it's connected with such a, such a broad audience, you know? Like it's got like 107,000 ratings in a 7.7 on IMD. It's one of these things that I'm not sure a lot of these people are going to be really rewatching anyway.

You know, like Ben Shapiro's fucking song got to the number one. on iTunes, right? Nobody uses iTunes anymore except the people in his audience that are told to buy it so it gets to the top of the charts, right?

Yeah. I don't know if they're going to be listening to that song after the fact or if they're just like, yes, see, we're winning the culture war so that Tim Poole can make a video about it and being like, we made it to number one on iTunes.

And like, this, you know, you're telling your audience exactly what they want to hear. You know, you're telling them like, oh, yes, if you say things, that are anti-woke, you'll be massively successful. Ignore the highest-grossing film of last year, Barbie.

Ignore that one. But if you go woke, you go broke. Ignore the film that beat the Mario movie. Just don't think about that one. Yeah. They want to hear it. You can just be in anything that way. Yeah.

So it's so shocking but not. It's like the most, 23, yep, this is the state of things. Oh, yeah. I guess humanity just kind of leans to a lot of these kind of annoying patterns of behavior. You know, like it doesn't even really matter what the packaging is. There's just so many different types of sound of freedoms out there that just get this stupidity out of people, get this. I'm sure there are people that genuinely enjoy the movie or have their arguments. But man, this was this was like unbearable to watch.

It was like miserable to sit through two hours, 11 minutes. Why is it so long for its start? You know, it doesn't justify anything that it's going for. It doesn't seem like it's enjoying the fact that it's a film or that it's utilizing film in any way. Who's this director here? He's directed one of the thing called Little Boy. Oh.

It's like, Oh, yeah. Yeah, the social contagion aspect, the The fact the film is just, the film itself is so, so boring to talk about. Like, no one can say anything about it. Yeah. I mean, there's some funny quotes. Yeah, there's some funny by scene trying to break it down.

Yeah, there were barely scenes. Well, there were barely scenes in the movie. There was just like, Jewish pedophile at the beginning. Then I remember they're at a diner and it said America burgers and there was a big pickup truck that went by I'm like, damn, this is a bit more explicit than I thought. And then he goes and pretends to be a pedophile to catch the pedophiles. And that's the whole rest of the movie. And there's barely scenes.

It's just like one big blob of nothing. I found a bit of entertainment in the film. Because the whole, I found a bit of entertainment through the film just. from the fact that the entire thing seemed like some sort of like Michael Scott the office storyline like it seems like a movie he would make you know where it's just so obvious and he's like yeah I'm the bad guy fighting the pedophiles you know or like yeah it's it's just why satire is so difficult now as well it's like this is what's been celebrated it's like how do you parody this it's like yeah it's like cool cat going like

like we're gonna get the bullies you know except this is presumably for adults um damn I'm shocked this gets a PG-13 rating actually that seems kind of biased it gets it gets a 15 in the UK so slightly old that's great no I if you had like a a fucking if the character was gay doing the same thing it would be rated R I think this is a very, this is a very, this is one of the most explicit subjects. What the fuck? The whole thing is just basically pedophile sex trafficking. PG-13, I'm shocked.

MPA is a bunch of fuck wads. Right. I hate that. I hate this film. Like it's, yeah, it's not even, it's not fun. It's not, it's just a poor reflection. of just the state of media and media comprehension and you can't say media comprehension anymore because that's a bad word now you can't say media literacy because they're all agreeing that

that's a bad thing oh so what do we call it if it's not literacy then what is it how do you express that you're just you're just making up buzzwords so that you can say you're correct about things when there is no objective truth unless it's mine. What about critical thinking? No, that's that's liberal indoctrination. That's liberal. You can't say that. They're trying to turn you trans when you think critically about yourself.

Then you might question your gender. Shit. Yeah. A lot of crazy people. Yeah. $40 million gross in $250 million. That is wild. that is actually crazy

and definitely not earned there's so many better movies but that's how you sell things to like hyper-conservative religious people now is you just you make up a story about how you're owning the woaks or you're like they don't want you to see you this or something

you make it a part of the culture war and you make people pretend as though they're fighting a war by being scammed. That's literally how you sell things. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. Yeah. It's like all those big, um,

even comedians are doing it now where they're like, so much material is about like how they can't say anything anymore. Yeah. While they're in like an enormous stadium for thousands of people hearing them and what they're saying. And, you know, doing this regularly and making millions of dollars from it. It's like, what, which is it then?

Which is it actually? Because like, Sound Freedom, one of the biggest movies, all these comedians making all this money, all these things that are usually successful when they're talking about it. It's just crazy. I feel like I'm crazy. I feel like I've got like a pretty good grasp right now. I feel like the more I look into it, the more I, the less I feel crazy, which is good. I feel like I feel like I feel crazy and then I do like an hour and a half less of digging and then I'm like oh okay I'm not these people are fucking insane and I'm comfortable saying

it's just like what has it always been have humans always been like this or is something the internet has ruined in the past I think that might be it and they were the ones saying to begin with like yeah they'll be playing your your video games or whatever you You know, like, don't use your phone. The internet and lead poisoning. Yeah. I guess it must, yeah, the internet, I guess you can, there's that meme, isn't it? Where, yeah, someone who's, like, really into fucking toasters without the internet being around would just be a lone person.

Buries. But with the internet, they can find it. Yeah, true. Yeah. You can find your community. And all the pros and cons of that are laid bare. It really, it really is not, sorry. Especially in combo, I don't know, I feel like it's just escalated with 2016 and then 2020, like just, people just lose their minds online.

They're just like so out of touch. They're so, they don't even see the algorithms. And I talk with like people in my family who are in different generations or whatnot. And I've kind of described the way some of them even get to the conclusion, like, yeah, these, it almost feels sometimes like algorithms or these feeds. of giving me negative things. Yeah. I was like, yeah, literally. Like, yes.

People engage more with like anger and fear and disgust, right? Like all of these things that, you know, obviously, child trafficking, you know, stuff like that. People engage with the whole like, oh, there's a, the others, the other people that we don't relate to, they're doing all the bad things. and it's against children. And they don't want you to know. They don't want you to know. Why does every left-leaning person not want you to know that children are being trafficked?

It's suspicious. It's just, it's too binary. It's too, it's too much. It gets people dived up. This film's getting me dived up. Yeah. So it was really, the whole movie was like dangling keys for children. like it was that obvious again it was like a Michael Scott kind of plot

like just the most obvious like it would be a fake movie in another movie sort of thing there's no you can't parody it because it is a parody of itself without people realizing it and that's just very sad I found a bit of entertainment through that it was less boring than Satan tango which is an eight hour movie but really I would honestly rather

watch that again. I'd rather watch Satan anger. Yeah. I can actually remember shots from that film. That's a difference. Yeah. But this has the kick-ass lines like never dressed a pedophile. Wouldn't it be so

cool to roleplay as a pedophile to catch pedophiles? Did you readdancing about the fella? Which fella? And like the main guy that Jim Jesus plays. Jim's Jimmy boy? the Jimmy plays

yeah I'll keep blanking on his name Tim Ballard oh yeah yeah and just that disconnect there where it's like what so all the complexities of the story have been taken out

in your in your script all of the intrigue all the tension all of the even crazier truths so like what is the

what is the creative impetus you know because like we're going to be talking about a film later that you recommended that you know if it feeds in like social themes and ideas and is inspired by like crazy conspiracy stuff even but like it makes its own story its own movie it makes its own ideas it has something to say it's got like a style or a vision what what's the style of this

movie what what is the vision what is it saying it's so it's so like empty and vacant. Yeah. That's just, I guess, maybe the fact that it has worked so well is what's so frustrating because the fact is found an audience outside of that usual one, you know? The reason why so many people, the reason why so many people become conservative grifters, like the obvious grift of, of like, you know, you look up, like, historically what Candace Owens was saying, she was, she was just pretty much doing scams forever, fucking, uh, value tainment guy, it's like, oh, his previous thing was scams.

And then all these scammers just kind of line up and just wind up doing the same thing, the conservative media grift. There's a reason why so many people do it is because the audience is not critical and it's so fucking easy. And it's like, like, the parody of it is what it is. Like, if I had no morals, it would be the easiest fucking thing in the world. If I could live with myself, if I didn't care about the person that I was, I could do it so fucking well.

I could do that fucking incredibly because it's fucking easy because all you have to do is just repeat shit. All you have to do is just repeat shit. And not understand it and purposefully not understand it. That's the reason. So that's why it's a huge thing right now.

That's why it's, if you want to make a movie and make money and you don't care about what you're making or the reasons why you're making it, if you just care of, about money. Like, fuck, it's easy. Why do you think Dinesh Deneh D'Souza believes

like most of the shit he says? Or do you think he's just making money and knowing that there's like a dedicated amount of people that will watch his fucking, you know, straight to video films if they say like the Obama gate or whatever. Or, like. That's grifting for you. It's so fucking easy.

Yeah. You've got a dedicated fan base forever. Yeah. And there's just something about, there's nothing earnest about it. Like we talked about Crash a few episodes ago, the infamous Best Picture Winner. And yeah, that's cringe and embarrassing. But there was an earnest starting point. It was a writer, director, kind of going a little bit wrong.

Whereas like there's not really even a voice to this film. I feel no expression from this film. It's like the inverse. It doesn't feel like anything. Yeah, vacant is the word. Maybe they're stopping pedophilia because they think that every person watching the movie that some of them will be inspired to go do what Tim Ballard did and run across the world pretending to be a pedophile to stop pedophiles.

Is that what is, like, that must be like a big part of it, like people self-in-certain, like imagining like, oh, I could be a hero, like, that you know like this is cool I want to imagine myself as this guy being the hero yeah we're gonna put a day for the we're gonna finally put an end to all those Oshinsky's oh my god yeah but like yeah I'd one of the other reviews I screenshot you can help the cause of ending child trafficking by simply seeing this movie in the theaters the more people who see it the more awareness will be reached Dude, eventually, if enough people see this in theaters, they'll make some kind of law against child trafficking.

I think, right? I'm gonna make crime illegal, is what I'm gonna do when I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put it in. It's a, it's, uh, that is so crazy to me to even believe that that is, there's a possibility, like to, what do people think like, good why do they think these movies are coming out in the scale they do and what I think Hollywood is all about like I just it's like what especially if you're already American as well and like the everything's a profit incentive anyway like why would you not how could you not see this there's something buy tickets for

people and just spread them everywhere and buy them for your family and it's like how how does that how does buying a ticket to sound of freedom effect like any policy or anything I guess it what the argument is oh now we know about the concepts so we're gonna all go to our local governments and really yeah I don't even I don't even know there's no organization in terms of like what the there's not like in the message at the end Jim sits you down as and tells you like yeah we have this bill we have this petition even what do they have there's like no backbone to this.

Yeah. So like if you could, you know, the, here's an example. Blackfish documentary 2013. Yeah. A lot of people saw it. I think it may be won the Oscars. I don't know. Uh, for documentary.

But like, SeaWorld wound up making changes and we're like, okay, we're going to like get rid of the, you know, we're not going to carry this thing. Or like, I think less people went to SeaWorld and people put enough pressure on. it, their stock went down, and I believe they made some sort of, like, actual policy changes based on that. Yeah. I don't know if child traffickers are going to feel that pressure by people watching sound of...

I don't know if they're going to be like, yeah, there's a lot of people complain. It's going to affect our bottom line. We're going to make some changes. We're kind of embarrassed. Yeah, the public eyes on us too much. I don't know what the fuck you're expecting to happen. Right? It just seems like an imaginary, like, fake thing you would tell someone if you're tricking someone who's a child.

Like, if you're tricking a 10-year-old, that's what you would say. There's so much about America that's just, like, built on scams, you know? Like, I've ranted to you before about the whole, you know, when you turn on the TV or, like, the billboards they have. It's all just, like, injury, accident lawyers and, like, a fucking prescription medication. And, like, fucking... Yeah, the medication thing is mad. It's like all these... Zempic, like, adverts and stuff. It's crazy, especially as a Brit. It was against a lot of these

things. There's something about the culture where, I guess, like, I don't know, 30% ballparking it, maybe more of people see the American dream as like just scamming other people. And that's the way they get by and that's the way they survive. And to some extent, I think a lot of people have to, just due to like, I don't know, socioeconomic reasons, but it's kind of funny just how much of the population is just essentially just pulling scams on each other. And that's just the economy for America. It's just constant scams. Yeah, I find it very interesting, but it's also very depressing, especially when you read stats about sort of, I'm obviously no expert, but, you know, reading ages and general kind of education.

Yeah. Problems in the country. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's where it starts, right? But we've got to the bag and education is, yeah, if you try to make any sort of policy improving education, you can bet your fucking ass that half of the electorate, half of the representatives are going to go

no, you're trying to put trans stuff in the schools right? Like it's so, it's where we've moved to a point where we're just like so anti-education like education's indoctrination. And again, they with

three brackets are trying to turn your kids trans right? So it all feeds into the same fucking thing and it's all just there's no solution and you know try to live your life try to enjoy yourself if they don't take your rights away

and here's the question there then not gonna want to leave that kind of profit just as a one and done are we gonna get some kind of

Sound of Freedom 2 or some kind of spin off or Sound of Freedom dash somewhere some other city some other you're really curious

event yeah because like that That is too big of a, and you just know, like, this year we're having a big election in the UK, a big election in America is coming up. It's going to be crazy. I don't know.

I could see more of these kind of films, like, coming out and, I don't know. This doesn't feel like the end of anything. This is like the start or more of a rolling snowball. It's a real, like, what the fuck do you do? If a percentage of a population is so fucking crazy that evidence doesn't mean anything and a lack of evidence is more evidence to them as evidence being covered up. And the conspiracy always self-fulfills itself. And no matter what the results of anything are, it's a conspiracy.

You know, there were people saying the Super Bowl's fucking rigged, right? So like, oh, the fucking Chiefs won. That's evidence of the conspiracy. but you've 1,000 billion 8 infinity percent if the chiefs lose

they'd be like oh that's because we started talking about it they were trying to cover up that they were doing a conspiracy to make them win the school super bowl

it's like okay it doesn't matter what anyone says you have your beliefs they cannot be changed there's no conversation

you can have with anybody and you're voting what do we do? What the fuck can we do? Other than just like maybe appeal to their emotional nature and think of it less of trying to correct information by being accurate and hoping that that in of itself would be reason enough for someone to be persuaded to a position, we could instead make it cool to be accurate. And then I think that would actually help fix things. You make it cool.

cool to be not stupid right now it's cool to be stupid opening books and researching and stuff that's boring nerd that's lame yeah yeah you're nerd you're a dork if you do that like

no I want the I want the headline I want the funny tweet I want the five second clip and then I'll I'll root my ideas and never budge again yeah I want to know that I have the correct idea and no one else on the planet does, and I know the real scoop without having to do any sort of digging or research.

My version of research is watching bit shoot videos and rumble, you know? Where the truth is, yeah. Yeah, well, because YouTube, sorry, YouTube didn't want you to see the videos that are on bitchews. shoot and rumble, but since the Jews control everything, bitch shoot and rumble are actually way too powerful to be stopped by the Jews. They haven't figured out how to block those, even though they own everything on the internet. They haven't blocked those websites. So those are the last bastions of freedom. And YouTube in case you're wearing this, obviously satire. Okay, don't demonetize me. I feel like there's a weird, like a pattern here or just the start

of I guess exploitation you could almost say with uh... did you see any of that drama with the youtube of Mama Max uh... very briefly saw some things that I didn't watch but I got maybe the just yeah yeah where I bring it up because it's the whole kind of branding was like it's this the pedo hunter guy and that's what all the content is and

that led to an enormous Patreon and a bunch of people feeling like they're getting something really productive done by handing over their money and getting something feeling like they're getting something out of it. And then it comes out recently that a bunch of the facts in the videos are fabricated and no police have ever got any information or evidence or they've been contacted. There's never been lawyers contacted. Like ChatGBT. was his lawyer and it's like that sounds so funny oh so that was like a grift as well yeah because you're getting like 10 to 20 grand on patreon a month yeah for like years it's like come on and you know that it's like such a sound who's going to criticize the hunter guy exactly you know so it's like

this shield of criticism and yeah i just think that's an interesting that's so funny correlation there Yeah, it's so wild. You must not want people to know that they're being right. Yelp. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, people acting like they've never heard of these things at all. How sheltered. Not that I'm not sheltered, but it's like, just depicting something is not like, it doesn't start and end there, like the depiction of something.

it's like how was it done what are they saying what are you reading between the lines here because that's that is just such a strange way to like analyze something a recommendation for a more substantive film about um child abuse and abusers called caught in the net from 2020 was that the documentary yeah it's a documentary it's a documentary it's a It's very fucking disturbing and much more informative and, like, gives you real world, you know, advice. I feel like if I were a parent, I would be appreciative of the documentary in a sense. And, you know, maybe make you a bit more paranoid, but maybe things that you should have already known. But yeah, Czech Republic documentary.

It's really hard to find. So let me know I might be able to... direct you in the right location. So I think because it's hard to find, it's probably because CNN is trying to stop us from watching the movie. How come Republicans aren't talking about this one? Legit.

Here's one. Here's one right here. Nobody's seen it. Make a fucking video about it. Tim Pool, where are you at? Benny Boy. Charlie Kirk, Charles, Turk. Where are you at?

Help me promote Cod in the net. True. And it's foreign people being abused. It doesn't have Jesus in it. Who cares? There's no Jesus. Yeah. Great documentary.

That was like to catch a predator on drugs. Because like occasionally it's one of the, it's one of the few times I've been on Rumble was to see one of these like crazy, crazy, Predcaatcher content with their like live stream. These like elaborate setups. Yeah, yeah, like some of them are mad. That's like the only thing I've ever checked out on Rumble before.

Because they've all just been like purged off YouTube because it's obviously... Yeah. Vigilanzi. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, I got to watch this movie again. Mad, well. Very disturbing. Very disturbing.

And real. And not a Michael Scott script. Yeah, real. That helps. Yeah, I really, I basically can't think of any positive. I know when I rated it on an IMDB, sorry, on letterboxed, a half star, lowest of the low, there was like a little thread on the Sardonicast subreddit. You were like, this is harsh, man.

What do you mean? It's not that bad. I'm like, I really, I honestly cannot tell you anything I liked about it. I thought it was like a miserable soulless, doesn't even do a good job exploring or informing about the subject matter, I just thought, I'm never going to interact with this ever again. And I'm just so shocked by the

support it has just because of what it is referencing. I'm not even accurately referencing. Just a mad one. I don't get it. It was kind of funny. Two out of ten.

So I guess I'm twice as much of not a pedophile as you are. That's what works. I guess. Yes. Yeah. Fucking stupid movie. I'm just pissed that every once in a while there's films that are like part of a

greater cultural conversation that I'm pissed that I have to watch, you know? Like I'm done with Star Wars. You know? Yeah. What would be the funniest thing for this to get nominated for? Best Picture? Yeah, best picture maybe Like best performance

Like best leading performance for Jim for Jesus The child acting was really bad If they just gave it nominations to all the child actors Just because they were like well we feel sorry for you kids Scripts know to be funny Yeah Honestly anything would be fun It would be like suicide squad

2015 or whatever it was levels of What? What? This is not deserved. Yeah. We also saw Blow Out, directed by Brian De Palma, starring John Travolta, a movie that I had never seen before, but was kind of interested in checking out because people say it's crazy. And I know Quentin Tarantino liked it a lot. I think it's on his top 10 of all time or something.

Yeah, he loves Brian DePaulma. Yeah, yeah, he really likes this movie in particular, too. And it's about John Travolta. He does sound recording for films and uses a lot of old, really cool-looking tech. And witnesses a car accident and then starts to think that there's something more to it when he starts investigating with his sound recordings. and some crazy things happen. Spoiler discussion.

What did you think? I feel like I owe Brian De Palmer a little bit of an apology. I've been like a naysayer too much, like at least vocally anywhere. But I've got to say, whenever I've looked at his filmography, I've always been like, most because I've seen like Mission Impossible and more of his content. contemporary stuff but even like I've had like blight on my my watch list for like years and years but like I'd scroll over the poster and be like what is this what you're doing here like Travolta probably not helping yeah but I got to say I was I was really quite impressed by this

film I was very entertained there was more to the direction and the visuals that I was really getting a lot out of, that I don't remember getting from, like, the same campiness of something like a Mission Impossible. And obviously not being familiar with his entire filmography. Like, I think I've seen, like, Carrie, like, a long time ago, but I didn't remember too much from it. But, yeah, I thought this was, like, quite a cool,

iterative, like, clearly nodding to these noirish ideas, these hitchcockian kind of, stars of tension building and just some like clever twists on things that were it was kind of tricking me because when the film began on on that that P.O.V. Black Christmas kind of murder sequence I was like oh okay so this is the turn of the movie. I didn't really read much about the film. I don't know much about blowout. So I thought oh so we're doing one of these are we because I knew it was like vaguely about a murder or something so I thought like oh this is like the tone of the movie this is the style of the movie this is like a

goofy 80s more yeah standard uh horror type thing um then yeah as it jumps out that like kind of meta layer and they're talking about the goofy over the top horror movies that john travolta's character works on and having just this kind of sly clever self-awareness throughout the whole thing and as what I was kind of talking about earlier in the sound of freedom discussion where the stuff it's playing with is there is like an 80s goofiness to it but there is like cleverness to be found there is like a fun story here there are there are cool characters and twists and expectations and really exciting set pieces and yeah especially those visuals and thought the lighting was really good and that like noirish influence was super

fun and yeah I was yeah I love that kind of quippy pace of it I like the dialogue a lot I liked most of the performances I was yeah I was quite impressed by this and uh I think when I was at tiff with you last year we were talking with someone in the crowd in one of the lines and we're talking about the palmer and they referenced this film blowout um and also another film Phantom of the Paradise was another one. Those two they specifically recommended out of the Palmer's filmography that were kind of standouts. And I also watched about half of Phantom of the Paradise, which was from the 70s. And I was seeing a lot of, you know, the similar things I liked about blowout in there,

but with more of a 70s packaging. In the same way, this is like the 80s aesthetic through and through. And yeah, I thought that was also interesting and weird, and I'm, like, kind of excited to go through his filmography. Now, especially this older stuff, it's kind of connecting with me a lot more than, I don't know, I just, something has just put me off about him as a filmmaker,

like I can hardly even put to words. Like, I've just never been interested in watching Scarface, even, or some of these. Oh, wow. I don't know if you've seen. You know, it's funny, I just... People are going to lose their shit. Neither of us have seen Scarface.

It's one of those osmosis movies where it's like, I don't know, I wasn't shown it at the same time I was shown all the other like classic gangster flicks and I don't know, those types of movies like growing up. It was, I'd never had a soft spot or any, I don't know. When it's like parodied in The Simpsons and that's how you know it. And it's all asmosis, it's like, yeah, I feel like, I've obviously got to get to it at some point, but I'm like rush into it. But it's always going to be there. It's always going to be there. And you can get to it at any point. I feel that way a lot of the time.

Mm-hmm. And then especially when it's so pop culture. It's like, am I just going to wait for the line? Uh-huh. That is an interesting phenomenon, but yeah. Yeah, I'll get to it eventually. But I don't know. Oh, yeah, I was quite.

I just like the technique he was pulling out. It was always constantly whipping out something strange as far as the presentation. Like, yeah, we're gonna 360 the camera round for,

and unveil this, this reveal in a, in a cool, creative way or do these, like, constant split dioptor shots that are really cool.

Mm-hmm. Like really well done ones too. Very well done. And like enhance, then they're not just there just because it, look at this text. we have we can we can put on the end of our camera and show off isn't this cool looking

it's like no this is it's integrated into tense scenes is integrated into moments like the hospital where there is attention building and the confusion and a chaos and yeah seeing the cops point that Travolta in the foreground and speaking of the foreground just the depth of the image was always very well used I found like there's just a great variety and a great I don't know just always complimented what was going on I yeah like all of the the the production side stuff I was quite infatuated with even just sounds like the consistent color palette of the the red and blue going all the way through to the the American flag at the end and the I love that shot with the kill

happening in front of that and uh I know, we'll scatterbrae him right now, but I love how in the plot there's, I don't know, it tricked me again with that Nancy Allen character you might know from, most people might know from Robocop. She's like kind of the inverse of that character from Robocop who's kind of the, she's way more kind of like masculine, I guess you could say, where she's, she presents way more sort of ditsy and like she doesn't really know what she's doing for the first kind of, half of the film before she reveals and it's revealed the more seedy undertones. We're like, yeah, she has linked to the whole crime angle and the political intrigue side with her being revealed to be working with this kind of scummy photographer scammer character. Who she winds up taking out in one of my,

it's probably one of my least favorite scenes in the film is that, is that, the way that sequence unfolds. I don't mind how we got there. The way it wraps up, it's kind of goofy with holding that bottle in her hand and just kind of smashing it over her head with like a foot's amount of leverage. That's just something like, that didn't quite work for me, whereas the more kind of corny, over the top goofy violence, like the John Lithgow, James Bond Garot watch like thing. um that worked for me with the kind of commentary angle with the whole was what i was saying earlier

about the conspiracy angle were clearly including these kind of nods to watergate and the jfk assassination with the you know the phone tapping and the um political big important political figure being killed towards the beginning of the film um and that i'm going through line um i thought that Yeah, I thought that was interesting the way it was like packaged and a really fun lead character to kind of carry it as well. John Travolta. Wouldn't want anyone else for this. It adds to the tone. No, it's just right.

Yeah, it's, is that tone that really works because it does have, it's got jokes, but it's not a comedy. It's got like serious stakes to what's going on, but it's not like too serious. It's also got the goofiness in there. It's definitely the 80s time capsule element as well. Yeah. You've been talking a lot about, you know, the filmmaking and the tone and, you know, casting. I'd like to bring it back to the message. I think it's important that we learn that murders can happen.

And if you don't support this film, you support. you support murders I think it's important to you know talk about what really matters in a film so you got to buy a copy of blowout for everyone in your family yep

you got to use the Amazon affiliate link though stop the media from stopping you from seeing blowout or you're a pro-murderer yeah I loved a lot about the film I particularly

loved the sound design which even in that fake movie in the beginning the movie within a movie was really well done and had a lot of really interesting choices yeah one kind of dead much yeah I was thinking about that

yeah it was like built into the the intentional errors and things like this. Like I went down to to write the note like, oh, that scream was like awful. And then the character says, oh, that scream sucks. And there's the whole scene about it. It's like, oh, this is cool. I really like where this is going. I do find it funny how difficult it was for them to find a person that could do a good scream.

Like, really? You don't have, like, you should be able to find that talent. But it was kind of funny that it just kept coming back to it. and that wound up tying into, you know, like the end and everything. Yeah, I felt like that was one of the more light-hearted kind of, gaggs to lift some of that tension. Yeah, a nice little through line to return to or whatever. There's some really fantastic shots in this film,

and I love the concept and how it's executed. So apparently this is a movie that is very much, not based on, but very inspired by an Italian film called Blow Up. from 1966 and some people were asking you know like are you going to watch that too I'm like okay do I have to because I'm kind of busy

and they were like no it's not necessary it's just kind of interesting so that would be something to cameras isn't it yeah yeah but I do I do like that they made it about sound design because not only is that very interesting to show and to have a

film that is able to almost kind of be like like really show offy in its sound design but justifiably so because it's about a guy doing sound design and it's about the sounds like yeah it's like promised in the concept almost yeah like you'd have to bring the sound design exactly it would be embarrassing if they had like okay sound design right but they blew it out of the park and i'm actually kind of disappointed because i would almost expect like oscar nom for sound like they had that in 1981 right yeah they had they for sure had to sound as a category in 1981 and you know there's other there's other like you know cheesy or even

like horror movies that wind up getting nominated for some tech categories or whatever historically around this time period too so I'm kind of disappointed but maybe it just didn't have that much of an impact when it came out like maybe I should look at the box office numbers for this because it's it reviewed well but it bombed oh okay that would explain it's it's partially attributed to John Travolta's career woes was a lot of people attribute to this film bombing, even though the irony of this being the film that inspired Tarantino to pick him for Pulp Fiction. Wow. So, yeah, he stars in one movie that does bad and then people are like, sorry, you're canceled.

Yeah, that's entertainment for you. But yeah, 18 million dollar budget. I think Hollywood canceled his career. because they didn't want you to know that murders exist. Go on. Yeah, it did not do well. 18 million dollar budget grossed about $12 million. Yeah, people didn't come out to it.

It's not like it reviewed badly or anything. I guess it just didn't connect. Which unfortunate because it's really cool. It's always fascinating looking at films that we have to imagine eventually made their money back over time. Yeah, we'll get cult status over the decades. Criterion. I think a lot of people

will consider this one of his best films. Yeah. And, uh, fringe opinion. Yeah, all the Quentin Tarantino love,

you know, probably helps, uh, promote it to, uh, yeah, current day audiences as well. What was really interesting is,

um, there's a song in the soundtrack and just this rendition of it plays only once. And it's, uh, when he, uh, Caesar in the hospital in the first

like 20 minutes of the movie or whatever maybe 30 minutes and it's literally that song is sampled and put in death proof when she's reading her text messages and it's used twice in deathproof too

and I've seen death proof enough times like immediately when that happened I was like, that's my fucking death root I was like lost my shit I was doing the Leo pointing at the fucking screen thing So it's Well,

they're using the music overall. I liked the music. I liked it. I, um, no, you know,

insanely strong feelings about it, but, um, it fits within the time capsule sort of enjoyment. Yeah. That I get for the film. Um,

you know, there's very cheesy elements and very, um, you know, you were, pointing out some kind of goofy things and some unrealistic things. And that exists in this movie, but it doesn't take away from the experience in the same way that it would if I wasn't watching it in some kind of fun time capsule way.

And if John Travolta wasn't the main actor, then maybe I would also be like a bit more critical. But there's something about it and there's something about his presence in the movie that almost makes me, you know, I enjoy face off. Face Off is like a similar type of thing, John Travolta. and it's like we can talk about like, okay, how seriously is this movie taking itself? I can still enjoy it and still have fun watching it,

even if I think a lot of it is shit. I think that this definitely has a lot more creative backbone and presentation backbone than face off, in my opinion. But there still is that element of like, oh, I'm watching like a cheesy, fun, old movie. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The experience was not too, hampered by some things that would generally make me not like something as much. It really depends on what tone it's going for or even, you know, we could say death of the artist, we could say even if there's like

unintentional tone or enjoyment from the tone with how much of it is trying to be. It's difficult to tell sometimes, especially when it's, you know, out of your time that you've experienced and you're missing certain bits of context that you might need but I don't know, it seemed like there was a level of self-awareness to it and there was

the goofiness was not like fully intentional all the time but there is some exaggeration or like level of theatrics that I feel like was intentional in quite a fun, corny way. Like, for example, I was really worried that those main two characters, The Travolta and Nancy Allen, I thought they were going to do this whole, like, relationship, meet, cute.

And that was going to be the force of the movie, and that was going to be like, and he's going to get the girl, and it's all going to be happy ever after type resolution. But yeah, I liked the twist and turns with that with, yeah, that he does have that kind of corny line. I didn't realize you were this pretty with all the mud on you when I was saving you from drowning, all this kind of stuff. But then, yeah, revealing the layers of her having the more kind of sleazy side

of, you know, betraying all these politicians and blackmailing them and the way it winds up wrapping up with her and this this like fake serial killer cover-up angle with John Luskow going around like he's in Dexter again. Yeah. Serial killing his way up as the cover story. He's like all these perms made his life quite difficult having to, you know, accidentally killing the wrong woman or whatever and then creating this serial killer story. to cover it up and

them committing to her actually being taken out by him as well at the end. I was like, oh, that's kind of a bold choice that you actually committed to the threat of the story and yeah. Yeah.

I felt right for the characters. I like films that feel like they're unafraid to just be what they want to be. I like films that can surprise you and catch you off guard. And I should hope that if the one thing I know about this film before seeing it is that people say it's crazy, I should hope that that's at least a part of the experience is being caught off guard. Yeah, there definitely is craziness in there.

Like the, I really was not expecting or anticipating the scale of that whole Jeep driving through crowds of people. Yeah, yeah. like sequence uh i was getting a bit worried like i was just going to get is this going to break that delicate line and make this just too stupid for me to even care anymore but it it just rides it so delicately and never never crosses into that space for me somehow it's like it's just yeah it's just the right time i think the fact of when it was made where da pama was in his career there were a bunch of just from what i saw in the the 70s phantom of the The Paradise that was watching a bunch of parallels with the split screen style, with even

including a bunch of old audio tech in the visuals of that film was in there. So there must be something he gets out of that. And that was something I was getting out of it too on a more dorky level, just looking at like the audio tech. Hell yeah. That was being featured. It was so cool looking. Yeah.

Oh, it's so cool. Yeah, all the like analog switches and knobs and dials and all this stuff. But yeah, it's awesome. And it's, yeah, it's a cool character and I love, it can be a put off for me when films are too overtly about filmmaking in and of itself or Hollywood or these kinds, yeah, in a masturbatory way, that's a good way of putting it. But this felt more like it enhanced a character for me.

Oh, hell, yeah. It's kind of a cool, yeah, it's a fun job to, give a character and a fun kind of perspective. You really don't see very often, and it might, I don't know, it might partially be why the film didn't connect or... You still don't see it often. I think it was the only other example I can think of right now is there's like a fucking horror movie that like barely anybody watched.

I think it was called like Burberry and Sound Studio or something. And it was like the main character also had like that. Yeah. It added an element to it, right? Exactly, yeah. Because it's way more common for like the main character to be, I don't know, like a writer of some kind. And that's like the real kind of trope as far as these kind of, you know,

industry kind of characters and their struggle or whatever. Damn. I thought one more example that I can't remember the title of Spanish movie from two years ago. Sorry. Oh, shit. Can't. Whatever. Yeah, it's cool.

And just how it like plays into the surveillance themes and the, you know, just all the wiretapping and him being an expert on the, the assembly of audio into film and how that would make it so his evidence wouldn't be trustworthy because of his job and kind of them exploring that in the film was like oh that's a cool that's a cool point like that's is what people would say like he's got really you know uh cross his twos and dot his eyes uh when it comes to putting together a solid case to try and get himself out of the mess and the he just winds up in by really accident.

Mm-hmm. Quite a good, like, comedy of errors type. Wrong place, wrong time. Set up. Yeah. It's really easy to see how this can be someone's, like, in their top movies ever. Because this is a movie where, you know, as far as I'm aware, you can't really get this experience out of anything else that exists. It's a very, like, the parts of this film that are going to, like, tickle or fascinate you.

or connect with you. They're very explicitly this film. This combination of different elements like, you know, Travolta and the sound and just everything going on. It does really create a unique movie. And I do like that a lot about it. I'm not really comparing it to other things. And sure, it was inspired by Blow Up and I'll probably watch it.

But I don't feel like I'm going to get the same experience out of it. tone slash filmmaking wise i i think that it was more or less inspired by in terms of like concept um yeah and even just see little touches i was noticing like another kind of bad trope that can be very irritating and go wrong is using the news as a way to kind of dump exposition or move a story along or convey something to a character so they can go somewhere or move somewhere or whatever There's an interesting scene where the character is watching the news and it makes sense in a way that he'd be updated. But the scene lingers and the story after is about the murder of the girl with the perm.

And John Travolta is not really interested when that story starts playing but you as an audience member knows that, oh, that is linked with a conspiracy. So it's like making you feel the conspiracy feelings that the main character does but in like a completely different way, which is quite a cool, clever, just framing to it all. Yeah. A lot of cleverness to it. What it sets up, there's purpose to it and it fits. And it makes sense in terms of how they combine all of these different elements together. And yeah, it's very, very strong.

film for a variety of different reasons and they took the concept and they explored it much better than you know throw a dart at any you know even famous director I can't imagine a lot of them would approach it from this angle and with this level of skill especially especially considering the sound design and how it's used in the film and the the talent going into it and the confidence that it has using it in the way that it does in this film. I think it's really great. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. All right. I'll probably watch this again, like, in the next month, honestly. It was fun. Yeah, I think it would be fun to see some of his other films and come back to this one. Yeah. Kind of what he's learned, what he'd picked up over the years and how it will kind of manifest with this.

I want to see. Yeah. enjoyable. Yeah, you know, like, blowout walked so the black dahlia could run. I'm giving this one for now.

A high 7 out of 10 and I'll probably watch it again and we'll sometime soon and we'll see if that changes. I enjoyed it a lot. Yeah, I would I'd happily watch this again. I also enjoyed it a hell of a lot.

This was a, like a solid 8 out 10, 4 star for me. yeah pleasantly surprised love that kind of noirish influence also very memorable striking imagery and use of color

yeah I love it great stuff dank I take it back Brian I'm now a palmer believer hmm you sorry

I'm sorry sorry sorry sorry um question time Time. All right, let's do some questions then from the Sardunakas community. Head over to the suggestion thread over in the subreddit.

You can leave questions just like that guy E.J did. What are some of the best abrupt cut-to-black endings you've ever watched? There are a few of these. I feel like the most famous one ever is probably the Sopranos, right? Yeah, I mean, I've seen it without having seen the whole show. That's kind of like one of those scoffa's osmosis things. Yeah. Yeah, I was curious how I was going to feel about it, like, watching the whole show a few years ago.

And I don't think it's kind of an excellent ending. Yeah. I don't know. How else you could summarize it, really. I know enough about the choices behind that ending that I fucking love it. I think it's really cool. And it is, yeah, it's set up actually quite well, if you're paying attention to the dialogue. And what the characters are talking about is, is actually.

very well done. Yeah, it's really cool. Damn, what, uh, what abrupt cut to black endings are there? I guess there's, uh, Mommy. Mommy's a good one. Oh, yeah, that's an excellent one. Uh, I, I think of whiplash. Is that kind of?

Yeah. I feel like the way that concludes is such a like, maybe the most memorable part of the movie is the way it all kind of concludes. And that final shot, uh, very memorable. Things that leave you thinking and yeah especially you know when it has a certain energy to it and there's an expectation of you know things continuing but it's also the perfect place to end it. It almost seems you know contradictory in that sense but I love when things work in that way. Yeah yeah that's that's like what inception does basically with the spinning

thing you're right at the end. Oh how you're Yeah, what's a great one. Yeah. I'm trying to think of bad ones. That's exactly what you're saying. Because usually, like... I've definitely seen it done badly before, but, oh, what would be a good example of it? I can remember good ones better.

Oh, shit. I'm getting like a fucking unlocked memory here. I'm trying to remember what movie it was for. I remember in a theater at the end of a movie, it cut to black. Oh, yeah. It was... It wasn't really a cut to black. It was when I watched David Finch, Zodiac.

And people were like, yeah, people were perturbed by the lack of conclusion in the ending. They're like, you got to be kidding me! Somebody said, that was funny. Yeah. That movie's grown on me more, though. Oh, yeah, I'm really into that movie. Yeah, especially you have to mind hunter and back. That's the kind of true crime stuff I like.

Yeah. Does, um, on the bad ones, does, I feel like a quiet place has some kind of cut to black ending. I don't even fucking remember. God. There's a third one coming out. There is, I saw the trailer. Is that one of the Super Bowl ones? It was a, I don't, have you ever watched the Super Bowl?

Is that like a, do you have a, like, a Super Bowl party and stuff? Everyone that would normally be on my Sunday stream was doing their, own Super Bowl stuff. So I just was streaming games. And I had the Super Bowl open on my laptop, but I didn't really look at it. I was just in case somebody was like going to say in chat like, dude, Taylor Swift's like doing a thing that people are going to talk about on Twitter later. Just, you know, I don't know.

So I bet money on the Super Bowl. I won some money by going Team T. Swift. The, man, I don't know if the trailer's normally like as bad as this year, but there were, it was a pretty abysmal suite of, like, ads, right? I thought that was, like, part of what made some people excited about it. It was, like, all these reviews. Oh, yeah, everybody's trying their best is what they're supposed to be doing, making the best ads for the Super Bowl. John Krasinski's Foster's Home for Imagine a Friends movie.

Oh, yeah. The fuck is it called, like, wish, no, if. Yeah. Literally fucking Quiet Place Director. Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, it is. Also, that's weird, yeah. A real Krasinski-heavy Super Bowl. Yeah.

Well, at least he's not Oshinsky. So I've heard that a lot of the ads are essentially just people saying you can watch the full ad on YouTube as well, which seems like a relatively new thing. Like there will be a trailer for a movie that's like a 30 second Super Bowl cut, but probably because it was such an expensive ad buy that in the 30 second trailer they're saying watch the full trailer on YouTube. Oh really? Did you see the... Okay, so it's like a teaser for a trailer. Yeah. That's interesting, yeah.

Well, it's the most expensive place to buy an ad ever. I don't think it gets more expensive than the Super Bowl. Did you see the Minions for Super Bowl? ad? I didn't watch that one. I saw the other trailer they released the other week but not the Super Bowl one. So yeah what's really awesome right? What's really fucking weird

is like so these things get released on Twitter like a lot of them were just showing up before the Super Bowl it even started so I guess they're just kind of like capitalizing on this whole like oh we're going to be releasing this at the Super Bowl but it's like you're also just

releasing it on Twitter and YouTube, I guess, but whatever. Oh. And so in this In this Despicable Me Four trailer, they kind of poke fun at AI art. And it's just a bunch of minions being like, oh, I'm going to type this. And then it's like, you know, some of them come out. Oh, yeah. I've just opened it.

Yeah. Wow, this is weird. And the conversation on Twitter is people like congratulating illumination for like calling out AI art. Oh yeah, they're like, oh, I can't believe, like, the only studio to take a stand against this is illumination. But I'm like, they're not really taking a stand. They're using it as a gag, and they're also kind of directing people towards, like, they're all having fun doing it. Every single one of those minion characters is like, oh, hell yeah, this is fun. I'm making AI art. They're like, they're, what the fuck are you talking? This is a kids movie, and the kids are

going to want to imitate what the characters in the film are doing. What the fuck do you, what, what kind of bizarre non-reality do you live in? Like, what do you mean? They're calling it? They're promoting it. Like, just because they say... They've been making AI movies this whole time.

You know, just because they show a shot of like, you know, oh, they had one too many fingers and it's like, that's part of the joke. That doesn't mean that they're like taking a stand, like, ethically against the existence of using AI. They probably used AI to get those. And they probably, those are probably real, like, AI generated images in that trailer. They probably actually used it to create the fucking trailer. So, what the fuck?

Like, what do you mean? Oh, finally taking a stand. Damn, we're getting full sound of minion out here. Exactly, exactly. It's so people, people hear buzzwords and then they're pevolvely. queued to react in a certain way and apparently everybody's a fucking NPC Apparently we're in a simulation. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck's going on here. Why is it why is it why is it why is it was interpreted as like a stand? Why is it not just like a gag? Like I just watch it's clearly a fucking joke. Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's media literacy issues in the other direction, right? Yeah Not conservative, but hysterical still.

Anyway, next question. Oh, Christ. All right, I just wanted to point that out. Okay, let's do this from from It's Slider 19. Question for Adam. Can you take a drink every time Alex says, missing the forest for the trees? What would that be too damaging to your liver?

How much time do you spend, like, thinking about, oh man the phrase I used I've used that phrase too many times I've said oh shit I've like said that that specific word that specific word four times this episode by accident like you're listening back and it's like man repetitive vocabulary you saw

yeah I feel like everybody has those in the comments about this everybody has those and it you know sometimes the word that I use frequently enough for people to notice will change. Sometimes there will be some that, you know, happen multiple at once in a period in my life. And maybe it'll be for a year. Maybe it'll be for four months.

Everybody has those. And, you know, if there is a way of looking at the world and some sort of greater idea that you're trying to get across you as a character, you as a human being, right, then you're going to repeat things like that. Because if let's say that's something that's important to you is the idea of missing the forest for the trees and you want people to like take a step back and think about their reality or their perspective or the context under which they're thinking about a situation, then you will say that multiple times because it's an idea that you actually hold true to your heart. So no, I haven't noticed that it's a vocabulary issue. I think it's a consistency feature. Oh, nice.

That makes me feel a bit better about that. You don't get self-conscious about that. I remember it maybe like twice So I did I remember I remember seeing some comments like years ago from like It used to be grass is always greener But I think it literally was just like we happen to watch a few films in a row where like the theme of the of the film was that So it's like yeah like sometimes that's gonna happen sometimes you are gonna repeat itself sometimes I don't know we're gonna be saying the phrase media literacy again

Because this is where we're seeing a trend of people having issues with it that is increasing. Right? Yeah. We're going to be saying these things. So. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We say a lot of words.

You're going to hear some of them again and again. Yeah. I mean, like, sure, we could use a different expression for something. Mm-hmm. Who cares? How about, how about I use this one? Touch grass. Ooh.

Touch trees. Touch a forest, actually. Let's do this one from Only Search, 9584. Hey, sir, I was just wondering if I can get some advice on something. I find it very hard to recommend films to my family and girlfriend to the point that my taste and love of film is almost a joke to them. To give you some insight into them, my family loves ITV and BBC games, game shows,

like the chase and tipping point, and sitcoms like Gavin and Stacey, Mrs. Brown's, boys, which I really can't stand, but I recommend something for the show. them to watch and when I recommend something for them to watch they almost immediately shut it down while my girlfriend loves Netflix original romance movies like kissing booth and after which almost impossible to get through without making fun of which she hates they both see me as weird for liking the stuff I do and either shoot down the recommendations I make or not like which is kind of

depressing for me as I almost feel like I can't express this to them I was just wondering if you've had this problem with any friends or family when recommending something to them or have had them question your love for film as a whole. Sorry if that question was too long, but to end things on a positive note, I've just got into film school, we should probably sort out this problem, as I should find people's similar tastes and want to be filmmakers like me. And I want to thank you, because you've certainly helped me get there. Yeah, so, I feel like it's just something you learn as your taste develops as you get older, and I don't really

I normally recommend films to people based on their tastes, not mine, like, you know, like what I know about them and what I'd ask them more like, oh, did you enjoy blank? And if so, then I recommend blank. Like, I don't normally do it based on what I feel. The impression that I'm getting from the comment almost sounds like it's not even like

a conflict of taste, but an aversion to the concept of movies. Like, you know, I, I, my taste isn't the same as anybody else, but like if I'm having someone over and we're watching a movie, it's going to be suited towards something that I think that they would enjoy. You know, my boyfriend and mine's taste in films isn't the same. I don't think any, well, some,

there's some people that are very close to mine that it's, it's hard to find ones that we disagree on. But still, yeah, that sounds like a unique problem. if they're just shutting down the idea of even watching a movie. I think that there's a lot of people out there that want quick and easy content that isn't unchallenging and familiar, and that is familiar. Or sorry, that is unchallenging and familiar. And a lot of people, you know, a lot of people gravitate towards just like

shit that they feel like they don't have to emotionally invest in. There's certain times or certain moods that I'm in. You know, there was a day where I felt like watching the fucking Squid Games Netflix reality show. And I didn't want something to actually engage with fully, right? Because if you're watching a great movie and it's like two hours long, it's like, oh, do I have to put effort into like remembering and thinking about like what these things are that are happening? or like different ideas and like a narrative or like you know like Sammy from Memento he likes watching commercials because he has no um or Lenny sorry Lenny from Memento he likes watching commercials because he has no like long term memory um or no short term memory i forget the terminology but um

I think that there's I think that the number of people that feel that way is probably growing but it does seem like a pretty uncommon unique thing like everybody that I know. I can't think of a single person that like doesn't like any type of movie and wouldn't take a recommendation or wouldn't want to watch a movie. I have friends that don't want to watch anything in a theater, but, you know, aside from that. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. I think, yeah, he's got to find some likeminded people if he wants to talk more in depth. Are you saying for him to break up with his girlfriend and disown his parents? Yeah, kind of, yeah

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Give us all your money. And we'll think about it. Oh, man. Yeah, I don't know what to do. I'm sorry, I can't give you advice. You know, it might be, it might be just a situation where, you know, your parents and your girlfriend aren't the only people that exist. And, you know, if you want to do movie nights with like a circle of friends or find a new

friend, there's like, like, film lovers groups that you can find on like Facebook or like other social media. Like there's people that just do like movie screenings and stuff that are kind of open invite in any, I'm sure you could find in any city or like some towns, right? Those things exist. So if you're, if you just want to find other people in your real life that you can actually like invite to a new movie in a theater and you know, you want to do it anyway and they want to do it, then go for it.

And yeah, based on the stuff they said their family watches on TV, they're clearly in the UK. Yeah. I know for the fact, like, there are many to watch Mrs. Brown's boys. But yeah, there are loads of cinemas all over the UK that, you know, they don't just play like garbage. There's tons of screenings for classic films and stuff that you'll definitely like. what's a better way of meeting like-minded people or at least being in the same crowds as them and I don't know you can you can find those connections or I don't know I just it is very satisfying to introduce people you're friends with and that you care about to art that you care

yeah I also don't like require that or expect that from everyone around me like yeah my girlfriend doesn't like a film that I love, like, I don't care, really? Like, I'm more just curious and what other people's perspectives or experiences with the film

where I just don't, yeah. Like, I have family members who, like, just don't care about film and watch it way more casually, and I'll talk about it more casually with them, you know, like, it's not that big of a deal to me in that sense.

I do understand it, though, because, you know, if art is a big part of, yourself and your experience with art is a big part of yourself, then you're sharing that part of yourself with another person, and then you feel more connected. You know, we all have a desire to connect and be understood, and that's a way of feeling understood and understanding other people and sharing an experience. So there is that definitely that relatability aspect to it, but yeah, yeah, doesn't need to be

from just those three people. Hang out with some bros. Get some buds. Yeah, you'll find some bros at film school that like... Yeah, maybe not film bros. Maybe you don't do that. Go to a film festival. There's a London film festival.

There's a BFI film festival. You can meet some people there. Yeah, I'm planning to go there this year. Let's do this one from Spaggis. The new Avatar, The Last Airbender Show, is coming out soon, and many in the community are looking forward to it, already calling it a great adaptation before the show's release. Considering how pop media in the 2020s have been dominated by brand loyalty and nostalgia baiting,

do you think M. Knight's Last Airbender film would have been received well by the Avatar community had it come out today instead of a decade ago, since films like Mario and FNAF, which is similarly bad, were fiercely defended by their communities. Would M. Knight's Avatar receive the same treatment? No? No? I think it's considerably worse than Mario and Fnaf, actually.

That one's a unique one. Yeah, it's not the best comparison because it's, there is a delicate line. It has to be acceptable enough. It has to be good enough. Like the Mario movie. Like sound of freedom. It's like, yeah.

of freedom or or FNAF as well where like the expectations are yeah the the bottom of the barrel low already and it's only got like a couple of checkboxes it has to check but it did check them where it's like the last outbender didn't check anything so it's you're just going to confuse the people who don't know the source material and it's just going to be lame to them and it's just going to be upsetting and annoying to people who are familiar yeah i think i think you're going i think when you don't pronounce the main character's name right I think you're upsetting fans. I think that's a pretty clear line that was crossed

that like anybody who watches or has love for the original is going to not be a supporter of... Is there a reason for that change or you just didn't watch the show? It seems like you didn't watch the show. And you directed the movie anyway. And then lied about your kids and use them as an excuse like you always do M-night. Oh, M-night.

you know it's funny fucking Mario got nominated for zero Oscars I didn't see anybody complaining about it it's like they've all kind of realized that it's a bad movie and all it took was just it it being in the public consciousness

for like a few months and it not being a thing that had just come out for them to be like oh you know yeah I guess everybody comes around the same thing happened with fucking the cultural impact amazing

Cultural impact of the Marvel movie. Yeah. Yeah, it is exactly one of those. Yeah. People acting like it's doing something. And it's just, nope, just another one of those. Yeah. So, Amazing Spider-Man 2, you could say even the Star Wars prequels.

Those are films that were defended when they came out. Some time passed. Eventually people, the consciousness shifted to, oh, these are probably actually bad. and then some newer things come out and then they get like a redemption arc where people are going like no it was actually good

so we go through that cycle for those two films we're never getting the redemption arc for M. Knight's Airbender I'm never we're literally never getting that redemption arc no one's going to go back and be like you know what

unless unless let's say a certain group of people that we all know who they are decides that the new series is like a bit too woke or something and they go well at least M. Knight's version wasn't woke. Like maybe only through that lens could it get a redemption arc but yeah. Otherwise there's no the M-night cut of Last Ebender's not going to come out. The six-hour true version isn't going to be coming anytime soon.

Just make the sequel. Just make the second movie. Just continue it with the same kid as an adult. Yeah, I don't know. I know that One Piece show was like a huge success for Netflix. In an unusual way, because like the Cowboy Bebop one was, did not pan out and was canceled immediately. Yeah, people actually like this one. Yeah, so maybe they're trying to figure it out.

And it definitely looks, the last ever show looks a lot better than the M-night one. but it's also, I can't help but just have this lingering feeling of like, what, why can't I just let it die? Why can't we just leave this? I just like this attitude that it's like, oh, once you're over a certain age, then the thing that you liked as a kid is no longer valuable. It needs to be updated to the adult version of live action. Because animations for children.

Which obviously very familiar with. Yeah. Yeah, where it's like, well, honestly, the visuals are a lot better in the original. They're way more charming. Sure, some of the older original seasons, they like have that certain early 2000s look or whatever. But that, that to me, is part of the charm. That's part of what makes it cool. Like the big CG scale of all the CG monsters and particle effects, like after effects looking particle effects and whatever is like, yeah, this is cool and expensive looking.

but in 10 years, like, it's going to look like shit probably. The original show will still look just as good and cool and fitting. Hot take, animation is just better. Animation is just better. Everything should be animated. Yeah, it makes it timeless. Yeah. It really does.

It genuinely makes it timeless, you know, because, like, the Spider-verse movies are all going to look bad, Whereas like go back to the like the first Avengers movie or something like they look like hilarious now You know like so like fake and synthetic and it's like that reliance I'm trying to Bring cartooning ideas into live action there's just such a such a disconnect a lot of the time Yeah even even like the Lion King 2019 which they were trying to push and people were fucking eating this shit up of like It's live action because it looks so real.

Like even that, like a year later, it's like this animation feels a little dated. It doesn't look real. You can see the imperfections. Right. Like when you're going for that realistic look and all the computer animation,

we still haven't, especially when you're trying to like blend it in to a world that doesn't have a thorough level of consistency to the visual style, right? When you're going for realism and you're trying to make it blend in with just human characters that are filmed, it's annoying, right?

But yeah, animation, there's something timeless about it and especially just, even if it is dated, even if you look at the animation and go like, wow, this is old animation, at least it's consistent with itself. At least there's consistency to the visual style. And nothing feels like particularly dated in comparison to everything else. It's like you're just like you're watching an old movie or you're watching an old anime. Yeah, if it is dated, it's like it's a time capsule of something cool. What's the, what's the 2019 Lion King going to be a time capsule for?

Oh, just a reminder of an embarrassing trend. Yeah. An embarrassing soulless, clawing corporate trend, misguided corporate trend that was really successful. until it wasn't. It was like the height of it. John. Thanks, John. John.

Yeah, uh, casual reminder, Michael Goy directed a bunch of episodes for, uh, the new avatar, so. That's true, yeah. Hmm. You know.

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Uh, but like, again, I've just got nothing riding on it. I don't care. Either way, because the original will always be there.

Yeah, I think he directed like two episodes. There we go. I thought he was directing one. Hmm. Okay. I guess his more information came out. Which two? Let's see.

Let's see. First two episodes, Michael Goy, one two punch. Yeah, it'll either be garbage and do really well or be all right and then canceled or something. This was the extremes with the Netflix. bridge. Yeah, it's, it's, I don't care. I don't care.

I'm not going to watch it. I thought I was going to like maybe check it out. I'll continue watching the original series and continue with that eventually. But. Yeah, that's worth it. Yeah. Like who cares? It's, mm-hmm.

I feel like I'm never going to start one piece, no matter which version. Yeah, I'm with you there. So many people, they've tried to make the case to me over the years, but it's like thousand episodes, man. The shit. There's no end. The Netflix show, but the, the, it's the endless scroll of social media. It's the fucking, like, never, you're never going to get off fucking TikTok or Facebook.

Twitter. Maybe that's the only way I'll watch it is in, um, 60-second TikTok chunks over a, probably take a thousand years. Wait, that's not how you watch everything else? I've been doing it wrong. Sorry. Oh, is that how you watched the Oscar films? Yeah.

You see how many TikToks you can get through, man. You know, I think they can actually do 30 minutes now. So you're wrong. 30 minute long TikToks. I'm pretty sure TikToks can go up to 30 minutes. Wow. Why would you? Why do you ever want to watch a TikTok for 30 minutes?

I don't know. I think maybe that's exclusively just for pirating and illegally uploading films and shows. But you do see that now and again, there's like threads on Twitter, people like screenshoting, like uploads of TV shows and movies in like 100 parts to TikTok

and it's how. A bunch of people are being introduced to these films. Yeah, if I was a kid and I didn't know what Torrance were because I was a zoomer, didn't know how to work it. You'd probably be watching some movies on TikTok. It's funny the types of films that get exposure through that, because I keep seeing, it's like some weird film, like some quite unknown horror film about like a contortionist clown or some shit.

Like it doesn't, I've looked at it on 9DB, it doesn't look like a good movie or whatever, but I keep seeing it. it because it's one of those like it's scaring 10 year olds on TikTok so it's just being like just shared around a lot Megan is missing I don't see the scariest movie yeah yeah Michael got the resurgence yeah that was a huge resurgence of like TikTokers fucking praising Megan is missing and also not just praising it but the conversation around it was it's real that that was that was the that was the that was the praise was like, this is real footage.

And this is it actually happen? Oh, that's so embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. It's a byproduct of things that we have put into motion that are out of our control at this point, which is pretty much the theme of everything right now. It's just we're just... It's definitely the theme.

Yeah. The end is built into the beginning, it seems. You just want to put your hands up on the roller coaster sometimes, you know. Exactly. Who was that? Was it Bill Hicks? No, it was George Carlin. It was like a life's just a fucking ride.

Yeah. Enjoy the ride. I'm trying. I want to get off Mr. Bones' wild ride. Everything's funny until it's not. Let's do this one then from boastful caviar. I saw this question. asked by another listener, and this has been asked a bunch of times actually, but I'll throw my hat

into the ring as well. Do you guys have any love for Star Trek? I recall Adam shouting out some of those old-school TNG shit posts in one of his videos. I'm also aware Adam has said he doesn't think Bill Shatner is a good actor. I can't recall if Alex has mentioned track at all. For me personally, Star Trek, The Next Generation and Star Trek Deep Space Nine are the best science fiction I've ever watched the original series is almost pretty amazing and I love Shatner's acting as Kirk. I'd love for you guys to do a review of some TNG episodes one day. Star Trek is weird in a production sense Paramount tried to take this niche sci-fi franchise as beloved by many and turn it into a moneymaker akin to Star Wars. The modern 2000s era of the

franchise has been extremely uneven in quality. Those JJ Abrams movies split the timeline in two and in general had terrible character writing. Star Trek Discovery, kickstarted the modern era of the TV show content in 2017, but in the process was not consistent with the already established law of the universe if you followed Star Trek Picard at all, however, that final season from last year was phenomenal. IMO love the podcast. I'm guessing you're not a trekkie. No. I've, yeah, I've never, I've never been much of a trekkie either. I've seen Rath of Khan. I saw the JJ Abrams one and the Simon Pegg first. furious

beastie boys the third one um yeah it was kind of what we're saying earlier about Scarface where like growing up with like future armor and all the like Star Trek parodies and the osmosis of like

just the amount of like comedies and jokes around like you know Star Trek conventions and dressing up and I don't know there's just the osmosis factor of the the imagery and the setup and the music and everything.

It's like, it's kind of like if you weren't shown Star Wars when you were little, I feel like, you know, I've heard that from so many people, like, as an adult, if they go and watch,

it's like just different. Yeah. It's different. Yeah, so I don't really have any particular strong connection with it, although I've heard, I have always heard about, and I do love my sci-fi,

like, and it is a cool, hopeful, as we're just on that down a note, It's like a nice optimistic view of the future and the kind of philosophical ideas they explore. And the episodic format is quite cool. Yeah. You know, I don't know. If there's, it doesn't seem to be something where you need that much continuity, right?

So if somebody wants to, if somebody wants to tell me what's the one episode of the, original series that I should watch and then the one episode of the next generation that I should watch, which I'm pretty sure I have watched like a full episode at a friend's house once I just don't remember. Then I'll do that, but I'm not gonna, I'm just really, I'm, I don't have time to watch through the whole fucking series of any of them and it's, you know, I would rather enjoy the memes. That shit post playlist is a gazora, I think GA's. Z-O-R-R-A T-N-G edits There's a playlist for them They're so fucking funny to me And I also like hearing people talk About those shows

Both the original and the Yes, I like hearing people discuss them But there's nothing about it that really beckons me To be a part of that fan base and experience it Like, there's so many other things I need to do that it's, I don't know if I'm ever going to do it.

Yeah, there is an intimidation factor, though. It's like, I almost feel like I need a guide to, yeah, watch this, this, this, this, this, you can figure out about this. Yeah. It's less intimidation and more interest. Because there's things about it that sound interesting, for sure, when I hear people talk about it. but I don't know if the like pacing of the entire show and I feel like I've seen enough of it to understand

the pacing of both shows I don't know if it's the type of thing that I really want to like sit down and invest a lot of time in yeah maybe one day it's more likely than one piece for me I'll tell you that much yeah it's much more likely if they had some fuckable aliens or something then sure

but where those things called clangons that's right yeah humans pass humans pass foreheads

show me some fuckable aliens I'll watch the show legit or that episode just one episode or yeah true actually I guess

we kind of got obviously the mass fit games were quite inspired hell yeah yeah I love that trick and there's a real fuckable alien in that one so yeah yeah okay am i right you did it man yeah yeah there's more than one probably yeah i mean there's a but i mean

that that was like the fox news hysteria over that is that they made alien sexy i love i love i love going back to that video periodically yeah because like it was over mass fit one as well for like the first one when you wouldn't even have a gay alien relationship it was just yeah it was straight alien relationships. Yeah, and like the sex scenes in question were like, so tame. No nudity. The tamedest shit you've ever seen. Yeah.

So. The softest of soft. It's just that there was a stripper that was an alien that was the most humanoid alien ever made of all time and just had like some tentacle hair instead of hair hair. And that's it. And it's like it looked like hair hair. and the rest of the body is just entirely just, oh, the ideal sexualized version of female body exact proportions to what you'd find in a human being and just blue skin or whatever. It's like, you know, making a kid's fuck alien.

It's a mature rated game, Fox. Right. How do you think Michael Goy feels knowing that his film is really hot with children? How do you think he feels about the film? where he got like a underage girl to talk about like taking cum shots to the mouth getting raped by a camp counselor

we might have to censor those words if we want to monetize emper. How do you think he feels about that being the movie that all the kids are watching? I think he likes it. All right. It's your turn to record.

He likes it. I think, well, yeah, I think he's happy that he found success. Oh yeah, yeah, you must be thrilled. Oh damn. And that must be, that must be very odd for like, like a decade later after this thing you've made like it's suddenly getting this like groundswell reaction. Because I've seen some like, uh, TikTok is like really changing the game with this kind of stuff because there'll be like bands who like released a cool album in 2014. Mm-hmm.

That's now going viral on TikTok. So now they can like sell out huge stadiums and go on tour. Yeah. Some of, some of them harbor like a certain like resentment though. It's like a band I saw that I like really liked in like 2014, 2015 had this happen to them. I saw them live and they're like kind of carrying this almost contempt towards the audience.

Cause like no one cared about any of the anything that had been released after the viral album. So everyone was just like waiting. for the viral TikTok hits to play. It was like a very weird experience. That's kind of funny. A new phenomena, I feel like, yeah. But yeah, I guess what's my recommendation, huh? It better be something with a good social message.

Oh, yeah, the best social message. I'm glad you said that. Did I walk in or something? Yeah, I really want to talk about I am Sam. Fuck yeah. haven't seen it. I was actually told I was somebody told me recently about it as in like I knew it was a thing that existed but somebody oh god yeah yeah somebody was telling me about their thoughts on it so it's the it's the film the hell yeah the joke from tropic thunder that everyone repeats oh my god yeah

is making fun of so yeah this is the jesse nelson Sean Penn I'm sam from 2001 hell yeah I couldn't have couldn't have been more excited so well that would be that would be paired up with what Madame Webb the perfect combo oh my god

I am Sam Webb Madame Madame Madame Sam Jesus we're gonna have a fucking crazy next episode What have you done? What have you done? Damn.

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Thanks for doining on the tour. a quote from Megan is missing. Have a happy hype Madame Webb. I guess I'm fucking seeing that this week. Damn. My life got a whole lot more exciting when you reminded me about Madame Webb. It's on my calendar,

but I've been so fucking busy. Yeah, I could hear it in your voice. I could hear the smile on your face. If you ever need motivation to like keep going in life, Madame Webb hype. We're almost there. We're almost there.

It's so close. It's almost so close. Oh my God. Oh, happy fucking damn web. Bye, everybody.

Thanks for this thing. Bye.