Sardonicast - Sardonicast 160: Dune Part 2, Dune 1984, To Freedom

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

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Three, two, one. If you don't like where you are, move. You are not a tree. That was a tweet in the movie to freedom. I'm Adam from your movie Sex. This is Sardana cast. I'm Alex from I.C. And yeah, maybe one of the more memorable lines in whatever that thing is that you recommended.

I struggle to call it a movie, but I suppose we'll get on to that later, I guess. I was more, the quote I have in my head is, the tooth. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking about. Oh, yeah. Tooth lines. The tooth, remember the tooth. Remember the tooth.

That's a good line. Also from to freedom. We're going to talk about Dune. everybody. We got some duney movies ahead of us. It's a very duney uh, movie dates. Um, triple dune. Yeah. So I mean, so we both rewatched part one. Uh-huh. Did you, you, I'm assuming you rewatched it before part two. Yeah, a couple days before I saw

part two, I refreshed my memory. Um, not that it really faded, to be honest, I'd seen it two or three times before that and I've got a pretty settled opinion on the movie. Um, At least I thought I did before part two came out. Yeah, well, there were some things it did address that were bothersome that did, you know, bug me about the movie in part one. But there were some things that I feel like, yeah, kind of wind up just making part two a bit of a more polished, better experience overall. But for example, some of the things I did like was how it kind of,

addressed or at least mimic the structure of that first movie where there's like a it crescendos to this huge siege action sequence where the whole all the Atreides family is taken out and I guess spoilers for Dune is going to be endless Dune spoilers throughout this discussion I'm sure but yeah after that whole sequence there's this kind of lull in the pace of the story and it's just I guess byproduct of having to cut a knock in half like right at the midpoint where obviously it's not going to flow naturally and you are cutting it off at an awkward point and it kind of hurts the structure of the movie or so I thought more so with it kind of concluding with

this knife fight with this guy and then like really quickly establishing these rules with the Framman and this whole like oh yeah we have this rule where you got to fight to the death and it's like really quickly we'll summarize and it just feels kind of clunky in the whole overall structure of that first film but But with the way two wraps up and kind of mimics that structure of the first one, I felt like, oh, this is kind of retroactively improving aspects and structural choices and pacing choices of that first movie that, yeah, did feel like payoff. More things that weren't addressed or couldn't really be fixed about that first movie, to me, were just some strange kind of audio music timing choices. And why there's so many good timing choices with the editing and like presentation of things. But the ones that are off time are like so distracting to me are so pulling me out of the movie so much, be it I just can't get down with the kind of main theme vocals.

The way it's used in that first movie is like I don't know if it's just when it's, it must be the timing of when it's used because that same theme is used in part two. and it didn't nearly pull me out in the same one. It's also used less in terms of what's going on. It's also used much less. Yeah, it feels like it's trying to insist a scope that it is already delivering in spades anyway. And it's like, man, you don't really need this. Like, everything else that's going on is plenty.

And the rest of the music outside of that, I think is actually quite good and really feeds into this overall mood and atmosphere, which especially carries that first part because that's another thing about the first part is the lead character of Paul is, uh, he doesn't really get interesting until the second half of the novel. Yeah. He's kind of a lot of, he's, a lot of what's happening is, uh, happening to him. He doesn't have much agency and he becomes a lot more interesting as soon as he starts

gathering power, trying to figure out what is going on in the world, which is mostly what happens in part two. So he feels fairly static in that first movie. But for me, it's kind of propped up by that really. strong foundation it sets with the world building with explaining all the different faction like visually setting up all the different like factions and the dynamics of the families and all these these eugenics witches and all of this law and all of this dense stuff and all this really complicated sci-fi stuff that uh well as as we'll get to when we talk about lynch's version

is probably more difficult they need to imagine to adapt on the screen and yeah it's it's part of the Dune it's just known as one of those yeah it is a cursed story it's like notoriously difficult to adapt and translate

and I think what he's been able to do by splitting it in two parts and committing to it I'm just glad it's come together and people seem to really be reacting to it I really felt like it paid off

in the end and it was risky and yeah it falters here and there, but overall, I'm pretty pleased with how this came together, and I'm glad it's getting, like, a response, and it's all perfectly timed as well, the way it's all bubbled to this point, because it's, like,

writers are the big, tempos, sci-fi franchises that people are, like, upset about dying, are like, there's this vacuum right now. It's the new Star Wars. Basically, yeah, yeah. There's a huge vacuum, and now it's been filled in by this thing,

which helps one of Dunes kind of inherent problems through no photo of its own. In cinema form, it's just kind of had a lot of its tricks stolen from it being written in the 60s and inspiring so much of the big sci-fi tropes we know now. That's one of the funnier things about part two for me was how like some of these big trope reveals that if they weren't already so ingrained in like sci-fi cinema, they might have been made to be more of a big deal. But just because the nature of where sci-fi is in 2024,

2020, we've got to kind of just move past some of this. Let's focus more on the scope of this and the mood and the atmosphere and just sell it. Yeah. It does at least accomplish something unique with its atmosphere and tone and presentation overall. Like you don't see this type of filmmaking in a, Star Wars movie. No, not typically. Yeah, at least it has that going for it.

I don't know, maybe I'm going to have to rewatch part one after having seen part two, but I still, my experience with part one, it doesn't feel like buildup. Because buildup, it just feels like a lot of nothing.

Really? You don't think the, each time Paul is kind of introduced to the spice and it kind of instigates these weird hallucinations into the future and it's showing hints that you do wind up getting in part two that part where he like where he's like in the battle and then it reveals his face inside the mask but his head's like way too big for it and it's like one of the worst effects in the movie but is one of the weakest shots yeah that's like the weakest shot period yeah there are a

couple yeah that was one of the other things I noted down was there was just I don't know maybe like 10 15% of some of the visual effects were just not quite there yeah in that very noticeable yeah like the first time you see like the worm mouth and stuff it just seems like needed a few more renders or like they were really struggling to get the scale and scope of it together or against that budget or something like this that's not and I still think the majority of the effects work is very good and with the scale of it and the scope of it and the how many visual effects shots there are the majority of them are good but there are some that really do sound out in that first movie like that that short you mentioned with the weird

CG Timothy face yeah so yeah it does feel like a building narrative to me with with with the the whole I don't know, the eugenics, which is the Benegeserate and the 90 generations of tinkering they've been doing to try and, I don't know, they're like pulling the strings and always kind of winning at the top of it all. And I like the kind of the royalty side of it and these, that whole framing of it's cool. And just at the base level, I mentioned it in the part one review, just the building everything up on this whole. like ecology angle with this planet, this desert planet that starts. They don't really get into it on too much in the film as far as like the very base ecology level of how like the doom planet works with the like sand plankton that the

worms eat and the worms eat it and they're attracted to vibrations because the other worms and you formulate the spice from the worms and the spice allows for space travel but it also has psychoactive effects that kind of gets the whole story going and the Benegeser it like abuse the spice and use it to control people and it's like man this is just so much intrigue to the setup of the world and all the all the crossover and uh just science fiction ideas that are explored and like like a like a cool a version of avatar you know with this with this uh tree with generations of um experience of poured into them they did they even go more into that in part two with like instilling

fetuses accidentally with thousands of years of memories and the weird creepy horror angles that gets into and man so this this this universe is so intriguing to me that even though part one isn't the most exciting um with like the you don't really get any payoffs in that first movie um but it is yeah barely i feel like a necessary foundation and set up to get what you get in part two. And together, I feel like it flows pretty well. Do you feel like the runtime of the first film was necessary? Because maybe what I'm trying to get out of a movie,

because I'm like there's, the universe in of itself is not something that I'm immediately just like imprinting on. Like I'm not, it's not a mass effect for me. What you're describing, your experience is like, oh, like basically mass effect. Like, oh, I want to see more of this universe sort of thing. I don't get that. out of this movie. And so I'm forced to just kind of attach myself onto like characters and the goals of characters specifically or how a character is developing. And it really felt like

Timitay Chalame did not really have that much to work with in part one. Because he's just like honestly, the second time I watched it, it was kind of revealing to me just how much I at least felt he didn't really work for the character because the character didn't have that much to work with. Part two, it really comes together and he actually transforms and there's something interesting happening with him. But in part one, you're absolutely right. Things are just more or less happening around him. You know, like, it's difficult for me to grasp onto something and I just wind up. If I don't have that out of like a character. Yeah, he does have very little. agency. I'm sure there are some exceptions to this, but like, it really prevented me from, I think

it's part of the reason why I'm just not as into the universe is because there's no character for me to attach onto within the universe and then I just wind up getting, I don't know, bored and it's difficult for me to pay attention and then I just get confused. I'm like, why is anything happening again? That's kind of my experience with the first film. Yeah, I guess where it injures it more to me is where you have like, you know, Aquaman, the Duncan Idaho character. He has moments of like, there's a lot of implied history there, sort of friendship, and it boils to a sacrifice moment in a hallway. And it just kind of means, because it's just skipped over so quick, there's not much of an emotional response, like, when he does sacrifice himself. and there's some kind of similar character issues in part two that I was having as far as big things are happening to these big main characters and I'm not really emotionally responding and it's more the scale of everything and that framing of everything and yeah they're kind of especially more that quick pace in the second one that was carrying it for me because yeah it's not it's not really it doesn't feel character driven to me it feels a lot more

plot and world-driven and especially the kind of cherry on top that Denisville Nerve brings is that that just heavy atmosphere and mood that sells the whole idea and concept to me because that is

we're dealing with some wacky ideas I could just tease like the talking fetuses and it's basically like the you know Star Wars the Force so you've got people mind controlling people and giant worms. It's like a lot of goofy stuff to sell and he's intent on giving it a serious

edge to try and sell it and I think it mostly does work especially in part two. And it's kind of a dene thing. He has that certain coldness to his presentation, which he likes. And I think that especially works well for the villains. I love every time the Harkinans, have a scene basically, like the, that trope of the mustache twirling, killing all of their men kind of idea to the, to the absolute extreme. Like, it's so over the top and extreme with the flying baron imagery. And he's like killing people left and right. Yeah, it's so extreme.

And a good kind of way of seen it described. I didn't note down which review I saw it in when I was just looking through some of the part one reviews the other day. Some referred to it as maximalist minimalism, like the style of these films. I feel like it's a good way. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, because there is definitely a real scope, but it's often obscured in a way that, you know, lets your mind fill in some of the gaps, and it's not showing you every single element to fill in the world. It's just like a nice balance, a nice medium.

You're getting what you want to see. You still get the big action scenes with the ornithopters, like flying around through doing trench runs and whatnot. You also do get more, you know, shots like that weird. It's just this like weird spider creature in one shot, like obscured, like crawling around on the floor and they're like, get out. And so I never elaborated on. It doesn't matter.

But it's the kind of texture that like really makes it interesting to exist in the world and sells it for me. Yeah, really, really awesome atmosphere. Yeah, I wish I could connect to part one in a more meaningful way. But yeah, my second watch really just solidified that it's just not for me. And I'm just, you know, watching the film and every single line is delivered. Like, it's the most important thing ever said. and the, you know, the visuals are consistent,

but the effects are unpolished in many shots, and it doesn't help me to believe that the world is a real thing. Yeah, just not my thing. I got very, very, very sleepy. Very, very, very sleepy. Yeah, selling the whole, yeah, as you just put it, that these are like the most important things ever said. I feel like that's a good way of kind of putting what the first film struggles with.

The second one picks up some of the slack on with the whole prophecy, kind of chosen one angle. I didn't really understand or get what it was going for in that first one, because it seems like it could just be any other prophetic, the one type story you've seen before. But again, you don't really get into the meat of what that is setting up until part two. So yeah, there's just not that much to play with with that just kind of endless setup. And yeah, maybe they could have chopped it down a little bit to get some more just to have it flow but X. I feel like it's not even what they're showing. It's more just the pace of it that is the issue of that first movie.

Like it does really suffer in the second half. But I just don't even know that critique's almost built into the idea of splitting it into part one and two with it being one book. Like, it's not an issue that, like, the Lord of the Rings had to deal with because the trilogy had one book each, and each book had a beginning, middle and end, whereas we're just splitting a story in the, in the middle. It doesn't get an end. So it's like inherently, inherently unsatisfying from that angle.

But if you buy into that being okay, which I feel like I did with the caveat being that part two would bring it all together and pay off what was set up, which I feel like. it did. I'm more okay with part one. In retrospect, there's definitely, yeah, plenty of awkward stuff, though, like, uh, I don't know, like, it is more on the character stuff, like, Josh Brolin, like, it's good when he's in it, uh, and I know he's got like more parts to play in two and that when three eventually comes out it's just like

it's more the yeah the visuals that I'm invested in than the actual characters but I think that's okay I think that's kind of the point of what he's going for with this big sci-fi epic it doesn't always need to be as long as you're entertained or invested in what's going on I feel like I'm okay with that

especially with the kind of unpredictable way it does twist and turn in that second part regarding these prophecies and yeah some of the more twisted places it goes yeah let's uh let's talk about part two did you uh change your rating for part one by the way because you uh i remember at the i kept it the same so you what you give it a seven i think uh no i gave it uh it was an eight four star uh and it's kind of remained at that yeah with that heavy caveat of yeah this is the beginning this is the setup and when we get the payoff let's see how this this

comes together yeah and uh yeah i do feel like it has come together and it has paid off a lot of that setup um in a way that might yeah even be more polished as to what i kind of got got got out earlier um i wasn't pulled out of part two really at all in the four or five times i am some of the more awkward stuff in that first movie. I changed my rating from a six to a five. I saw that, yeah. And you don't have any other thoughts after part two. It's still in a vacuum.

Oh, as in retrospectively? Yeah. I mean, I would have to watch it again. I would have to watch it for a third time to really see. Because I can't just, it's kind of difficult for me because it doesn't feel like I watch part two and I really enjoyed it. And I'm like, damn, you could have just, part one could have been like 20 minutes. You could have just started it at part two.

I would have been fine. You know, that's how I feel. I think so. I really, yeah, for my experience and what I got out of it, I'm just, you know, I understand that most people are getting something entirely different out of that first movie, but I'm just not. and I struggled to twice so I just I uh

so you want like part one in a prologue I want I just yeah I want both of them fucking mash together give me like one four hour movie or something and then then it'll feel like a buildup then part one will feel like a buildup if it's only like an hour and a half or less I don't know I I do like that buildup but there are scenes that don't work there are aspects that first movie that don't but a lot of that build up a lot of that

cleverly place exposition the way it's done I like it I feel like you really need that you can't just go straight to part two because that's this you need the foundation of the setup for the payoff I feel like yeah I mean well that if it's a four hour movie and they do an hour and a half a part one and then two and a half hours of part two I think that would be fine. Yeah, I just, I don't know how they could trim so much out of that first movie because there's a lot of like important exposition in there.

I don't know. Yeah, I like the structure like more in retrospect now. Like, because that was my big hang-up. Like, it felt weird to end on like a little one-on-one knife fight. Whereas like, yeah, it feels like it's all echoing itself now. In an unexpected way for me of someone who wasn't read the book yet. Yeah. Well, here's the thing.

I saw the David Lynch version, which we'll get to. And that's what? Only two and a half hours long? Slightly under, I think. Yeah. It's not that long. 217. My biggest complaint with the pacing of that is that the ending felt very anticlimactic.

But yeah, it's more than the ending. It's like the last hour. Yeah, yeah. So that should have been longer. I think there's somewhere in between two, two and a half hour long movies and one two hour, 15 minute movie or something. I feel like there's somewhere in between those two things that would be perfect for me. Because it is, you know, like, it is possible to trim down the story and it is possible to present it. it in a way that isn't exactly like the book, because neither of the films are. They have to take some sort of creative liberty or even liberty with the pacing and structure

in order to translate it to a film. Yeah, the perfect version for me exists somewhere, maybe, in a fan cut, which is often the case for me. Yeah, it seems like we got the... you know like with the Lord of the Rings the extended versions it seems like we started there that is what it feels like

but there won't be a shorter more digestible version and there definitely won't be an even longer version because I don't think I was reading it doesn't believe in them or something don't know if that's very interesting yeah yeah he says every scene that's cut

is like he doesn't believe in deleted scenes I think was the quote yeah it was it was both, I think. Which I understand the philosophy of this. Like, yeah, this is an intentional decision. I could have left all of this in, I could have left all this out.

Like, we used to stop somewhere. Yeah, I can appreciate it. Part two. Did you see it in IMAX? Or, wait, that doesn't exist near you, you said. Yeah, yeah, it went bust. My local one, so I couldn't see it in IMAX.

But yeah, I saw it on a good screen. I feel like I got to appreciate those visuals. Yeah, and that's definitely one of the best things about it, just like that first movie, just like a lot of his movies. Just like Part 1, that atmosphere that turned from like second one when it hits you with that weird throat singing audio. The power of a spice is powerful all. Let's just get you in.

And yeah, it just did feel. like they were confident and familiar with this world they set up they've got they basically got the hard work out of the way and it's like now we can have fun in this world now we can play with the setup we can add layers on top of it making more complicated explore it take these characters somewhere and it's like yeah this is the meat of the story you get the spectacle towards the end it doesn't kind of flutter out in the same way it's yeah it feels complete with yeah with still space to expand it

still feels like a whole universe with uh we're only scratching the surface of um and knowing this is like the first book of six books was split into two i didn't know there were that many yeah yeah and they get crazy uh okay from like some of the synopsuses i've read like uh and dene i think is only interested in covering the first two books so dune damn it and dune messiah uh because that means someone else is going to take over if it's successful warner well yeah if it keeps making money yeah fucking mark webb or somebody yeah you're right you're right but yeah after after doom messiah it starts getting like they do like thousands of year time skips and there are like worm gods and it gets like quite crazy um so i almost want to get there

just to see if someone like can even try. I know there was like a TV show in the early 2000s that did. Yeah, I mean Warner Brothers will try. If they're all successful, God damn it, they'll try. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I'm sure the whatever the trilogy we wind of getting from the knee would be a complete story in and of itself. And yeah, Messiah, I think, takes place.

There's a huge time jump after that too. I think it's like 12 years or something. So I've got to age up Timothy a little bit in time for that. But people are liking it. It's making a ton of money. We're probably going to get it. It is the number 11 on the top 250. Yeah.

It's like number five or six on letterboxed as well right now. Alarious. That classic recency bias. Just like it means nothing. They might as well just ignore it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So this is a film that I wasn't scribbling notes down as I was watching it.

Because I felt like that would have been too much for me. Because I felt kind of like sick beforehand. I felt like I don't remember exactly what happened, but I was like, I felt like stomach sick. Oh, nothing to do with the movie. And I almost didn't go. I almost was like, yeah, you guys go on without me. And then I just tuft it out, vomited a little, drank some peptobismol, and went to the movie. And it was great.

I felt better once I threw up a little. I don't remember why I was like... Yeah. Sometimes that's the cure rule. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I must have ate something weird. But, yeah, it was definitely a lot easier for me to digest, especially, with these character progressions,

not just the main character, but I also loved Javier Bardem's character. I love the dynamics between like the different groups within the, what are they called, the Fremen or whatever? The Fremen, yeah. They're like, the people from the north believe this, and the people from the south don't believe that. I thought that it was interesting enough and well set up enough

and they were doing enough with what they set up. you know they were able to set things up and have things happen rather than just set things up and wait for part two and promise yeah promise something's going to come later yeah yeah yeah he was really good for adding a bit of humanity to that cast and especially to counteract some of that coldness I was just saying about and I feel like xandre did a good job for that as well I'm just adding a bit of humanity to the because like the it's part of how they're written and how they conceptualize like the Benegesirate eugenics witches that they are obviously cold and distant

and you wouldn't expect them to be any other way but you know one of the main characters is one of these paul is half of one of those having a bit of variety as far as like the way people are emoting and presenting themselves does definitely help when you get to those freemen characters because yeah that does affect part one yeah yeah i was i was kind of you know, almost wishing that they were a significant part of part one. But I guess they couldn't be. Also, his performance was really great because I'm used to hearing him have a very particular accent in every single movie that I've seen him in that I can remember. And he changed it up enough and it felt consistent enough where I was like, oh, it's not just Javier Bardem.

I was able to see like an actual character unlike Christopher Wachin who tried to change his accent a little bit slipped through you can't do it and even if even if it didn't slip through at all

he's just such a pop culture meme at this point that seeing him just felt really out of place I didn't feel like he was a character in the universe I felt like he was Christopher Wachan that was a bit of a downside even though he didn't occupy much of the

screen time but still. I don't know if I needed that casting, yeah. Not at all. Because I like a lot of the other casting. Like Florence Pugh, I thought was a good pick for that princess character. But yeah, that is a confusing one.

But again, as you said, very small amount of screen time. There's much more of an emphasis on the Baron and the Harkinans and their screen presence. much stronger, much stronger than the emperor and that he's just more of kind of a plot device I really liked Austin Butler in this I thought that he

transformed into his character very well both performance and makeup wise it was like a new thing to see and it was very consistent very intimidating very well realized interesting I didn't really love that character, for me honest.

That was one of the parts I didn't love as much, so I just didn't feel like I got a very good impression as to what it was all about is kind of one of the more rushed over aspects to me, because he's set up basically as the Benadjazzarate's backup plan. It's like, oops, we messed up with Timothy and we can't control them anymore. Luckily, we've been kind of brewing this project in the background, and now let's have them have a knife fight. Yeah, I thought it was okay, but I was, I guess I was feeling more how you were feeling

with Christopher Walkin with Austin Butler. I just kept seeing Austin Butler. Oh, that's funny. Kept seeing that mouth. I kept, I swear I heard a couple Elvis lines coming out. Oh, no, he's still trying to get rid of that voice. I swear I caught a couple of them. Babe, babe, babe, babe.

because otherwise he was doing quite a good sort of he was definitely channeling channeling stella and scars guard's weird like throaty voice thing he's doing is the baron he was like trying to channel that and when he did that it did work but I swear I was hearing a little bit of the king in there that's hilarious I also felt like the the Dave Batista character was like more interesting to me as far as like his kind of pathetic dynamic he's like hiding from the baron like his fuck-ups and I was kind of hoping for more punishment to come to him to be honest considering how evil they are but uh foot kissing yeah it is more foot kissing I I I'm sorry to anyone that uh this might ruin the character for

but every single time I saw him on screen I just I just kept thinking of Tourette's dad because he was always yelling. He was always really loud. And just some of the delivery just reminded me. I know, right? I forgot until I saw this movie. Dave Batiste is on screen going, ah, pass!

Like basically every fucking line. It was just, I, yeah, I was amusing myself. Just every single time he's on screen, just constantly yelling, constantly mad. I was like, yeah, that's Terrestad. Yeah. That was fun for it. yeah I bet

but I don't know just one of the more consistent through lines I feel like is just the the visual way uh the nerve and his team have adapted the kind of displays of

power uh the book is so well known for and like because it is all these big royal families that have been fighting for generations and the visuals need to match that and the story is about this like manufactured prophecy which yeah i keep going back to as one of the more kind of interesting parts of that does put a spin on that angle of like yeah everyone's acting

like he's the one but does he deserve to be the one as he believing his own hype here like he knows what is set up and he starts getting into this weird pattern of having visions of the future and doing everything he can to try and stop what he's seen as a vision from happening, but in trying to stop it, he kind of makes it worse. And it's like, I guess into these quite like deep ideas of like responsibilities of power and this kind of deterministic nature of this world and the nature of evolution. And like, can you beat evolution and take hold of it? And it's like really cool.

And exactly what I love about sci-fi as a genre. And it keeps me, yeah, thinking is super engaged. in this world and just makes you want to read more about this world and read more about the water of life and all this kind of craziness and just the ritualistic kind of religious nature of how they delve into it and yeah Javier Bardem like whipping out lines about like yeah don't waste your tears on the dead and getting into the culture of the freemen and it's like oh yeah these are this is cool that the the writing and well-building is so deep that they've thought about all these concepts and cultures and like yeah what what would happen if there were groups of people that have adapted to this harsh environment over thousands of years and yeah they probably would worship water and have these cultural landmarks

and all of this stuff and managing to convey all of this to an audience as well that doesn't just feel like you're being read to or talk to is i don't know if it's quite a skill especially with how broadly is connecting i feel like it's just the right approach to tell the story and it just feels like, man, it's cool to get a sci-fi story that kind of goes the way it goes and winds up where it does with Paul O'Hreides basically becoming this conqueror who's going to start a holy war that spreads a chorus the entire universe. It's like, that's really cool that like that's the story we got and it's like they didn't feel the need like the lynch one to kneecap it at the end and give it an overly happy ending.

It's like, oh, this is, this is awesome. It's like proper storytelling. It's living up to the book. And so the visions he has of like millions of people starving is like a result of him coming to power and that's essentially implied to be in motion, right? Yeah, but he just doesn't know when that's going to happen in the future, yeah, but it's going to happen. That's why Zendaya is pissed. Yeah, yeah.

That's one of the big changes from the book I was reading is that in the book, the Zendaya character is more just like, yeah, I love you, Paul. Oh, really? You're the chosen one, like kind of straight away, whereas there's more friction and tension here. That's interesting. Which, yeah, I think it's going to make Messiah interesting how they're going to have to write some of the framings of things, but I'm looking forward to how they're going to do it because that is much more interesting.

instead of just like everyone already believing your hype immediately yeah and especially if like so Messiah I'm assuming will follow the same characters yeah yeah just 12 years later I think is so it's good to have Ville Nouve at the helm you know yeah with him making that change

knowing where it's going which is funny because we compared this to Star Wars earlier like one of the one of the biggest mistakes that new Star Wars made is just directors fighting with each other over what they're doing with the story. No plan. No consistency.

Oh, we'll set this up and then, oh, I'm going to change everything. And no, actually, no, it was not changed. Yeah, yeah. That's funny. Wow. Like an actual trilogy with a consistent voice. Like, that's not something we see that often. Yeah, that was, I guess, one of the minor things of part two for me, going back to the kind

of character stuff was. I wasn't exactly invested in the Zendaya Timothy romance, because I think just the nature of the politics, the world building, the exposition, like getting in a convincing love story in there without, you know, Star Wars episode twoing it too much, could have been a problem. So it is very quick.

I don't really feel. The sand was everywhere. where. True. You can't even, you can't disconnect Star Wars from it is the thing. No. Which is unfortunate.

It was a lot like taken from. Because as to what I was like teasing it earlier with the whole. Reveal towards the end of part two, just doubling down the spoiler warning with the, the baron turning out to be Paul's grandfather. It's just kind of like quite matter of fact. the way it's to live it because it's like, yep, this, this equivalent kind of beat has definitely been stolen.

Yeah. What's so funny, like, because we were talking about AI in the last episode and that, you know, how many people are talking about, like, okay, no, you have to not only credit every single possible piece of work that the AI learns from, which, you know, is not a bad thing. But, like, people are talking about, like, payouts for that, like, in a life. in the same sense, it's like, I don't know, George would have to owe some fucking money to Dune then, right?

Yeah, Curacao and... You know, name any piece of media, you would, like, we'd have to start issuing retroactive payouts. Because this is, there's a lot. It was quite a lot. They were really lucky that there wasn't a Dune film adaptation before Star Wars. And that the one that even happened in the 80s just turned out to not connect with people.

or work out, yeah. Star Wars wound up becoming, like, the dominant voice in those same tropes. Yeah, like, I feel like it owns a lot of the imagery even. Like, it's kind of, it's coming back now, though, you know, the desert, the desert planet thing, but, like, it's what is known as the desert planet from science fiction, like, it's, yeah, maybe it'll start changing now, but. What a heck. Come on.

What a fucking heck. Piece of shit. Yeah. I felt like the action was a lot better than... Way better. And there was more of it. There were more set pieces. Like there's memorable set pieces.

There's like maybe two memorable set pieces that I have in my mind from the first film. Whereas this has several. Yeah. Well, I feel like something that hurts. all the Dune movies in cinema form is the shield technology thing. Like, it's really difficult, A, to make cool, the B to explain outside of a novel format. And it's just not cool in that first movie where there's like two armies on the stairs like clashing into each other.

And it's kind of really awkwardly just going like, and it's like obscuring it. and I don't know, it just isn't very clear what's going on. And that line, what is it? The slow blade penetrates the shield. Yes. Ah, yes. The slow blade penetrates the shield. Yeah.

Extraordinary. That stuff's funky. I like how it manifests in some of the big, one of the big action set pieces in part one with all the ships being destroyed by the, you know, like zooms in on these slow. down missiles that are like exploding the ships but when it comes to hand-to-hand combat with the shield stuff that's clunky and like the knife fight at the the end of part one it's it's an excuse to have hand-to-hand combat like that's the whole point instead of people shooting each other yeah yeah um yeah it's like a

whirl-booting thing they're stuck with but then it's kind of weird because then people do shoot each other with slow bullets Yeah, I don't know about that one. It's an odd universe with that in it, especially. I feel like, yeah, it's, it's, when you read it on a page, it kind of hits different to when you've got to visually explain some of these concepts. Like, you could have the entire movie without that, right? Like, it would be, like, the fans would be pissed. Because it seems like a, I do have to me.

I was expecting it to be more like important to part two as far as like how some of the story comes together. But yeah, it doesn't, I don't know, it doesn't seem that crucial to set everything up. Yeah, it's not really in part two nearly in the same way because a lot of that hand-to-hand action is way more restricted to the friendmen like hiding in the sand and twirling around people. and that style of action, which, yeah, choreographed a lot better than the first movie, whereas, yeah, the only time it really gets to shine in that first movie is that knife fight towards the end, which works better because they don't have to have the shields on

because of those fremen fight to the death rules. So, yeah, that was one thing I did prefer over part two for sure. Yeah. Especially when it wasn't way down, by unfinished looking visual effects I just didn't notice that maybe it will rewatches

No the effects were fucking great in this movie Yeah yeah it really did feel Like it could match the Escape and scope of what it was showing It really did feel like this was the same director as Blade Runner 2049 Which is kind of why I was so disappointed

with Part 1's unpolished effects I'm like come on Like your last movie never felt this way It was like some of the most groundbreaking Incredible like consistent effects work Of the decade Yeah yeah So I'm glad that he's back on track with that

And who knows what exactly caused that In part one just I don't know They rushed it Wanted to hit a date I have no idea Yeah Because their budgets aren't that different No you're right I was expecting to have like a

Huge difference in the budget, but no. I don't know how much time they had for pre-production, but that probably could have helped going into part two. Yeah, true. A lot of the expenses were already made. A lot of these environments designed, worms already designed, a lot of the deserts are designed. Yeah, and like character models they could improve on instead of creating from scratch. Yeah, yeah.

And it's not like A. Star Wars or something where you're like, planet hopping to a different biome every five minutes. Most of Dune is in the desert. Yeah, they're mostly restricted to that. Or you get the cool sequence of the home world of the baron or whatnot with the black sun and that fun that will see in some, yeah, really striking memorable imagery, actually. I've got to shout out the director of photography, Greg Fraser. did like the Batman, Rogue One, a cinematographer on, some of the Mandalorian, the creator.

Not a great film, but visually very good. He's clearly got an eye. Yeah, some really good stuff in there. I love that overhead shot of the crowds of people with that small gap in the middle with Paul, going through the hordes of his loyal followers. And yeah, there's heaps of stuff like that. Yeah, I remember that shot. Yeah, the black light planet was cool.

Interesting little set piece. Yeah, I love every sprinkle they do of world building with the different factions and like setting them up. But yeah, the one I guess I'm most kind of obsessed with are these Benny Jesuit witches or whatever. I've been saying about the fetus character that gets a slight change from the book. And in the Lynch film, you can see the other way it can kind of go where, yeah, there's this procedure with the water of life that gives you thousands of years of Benegeserate memories. And it's like this overwhelming experience that changes you. and basically, as they describe it, like, would kill you. You're basically dying because you're getting just other lifetimes put into you.

Countless. And yeah, this quirk of the mother character not revealing that she's pregnant. So then this fetus gets all these memories and starts having these conversations with her mother. And in the book, there's a time jump and the baby winds up being born. So you have this little girl walking around acting like her like she's thousands of years old with thousands of years of knowledge, which is definitely one way of taking it. And definitely works in a written format probably better than you could pull off in cinema. At least it would be a different challenge, you know, not having to find a little girl who can sell that concept and keeping it to this weird close-ups of a fetus inside the stomach having these conversations. I just think that's a cool, creepy, weird concept that has potential to go places,

especially in Messiah with the time jump and just the implications of where that's going to go. It's just, yeah, proper sci-fi concepts being explored. Mm-hmm. Everything, almost everything that I had an issue with in part one is not really an issue in this film. the music was better. Yeah, I was never pulled out from the music like I do a couple times in the first movie because there are even a couple of performances

in part one that pulled me out. Like there's a moment where there's like a Fremen subject kind of like screams when she's handing a knife to one of the Benad Jesuit characters. And she's like screaming and overwhelm that like the prophecy is coming

coming to life or whatever it's just something about again the timing of the way it's delivered it's like almost comical the way you're like surprised by this scream and it like rings like the wrong emotion for me anyway that doesn't really sell the

the right type of overwhelm there's just some weird little moments of like unintended comedy in that first movie that I just yeah did not feel at all in part two It just feels way more polished like they had just more of a structure, more, maybe more time to storyboard this or get this together. Because, yeah, the first time they use the vocals and that main theme,

I think it's with that really well-timed action sequence where they're taking out some of the oil, well, sorry, spice mines or whatever. And there's like an ornithopter crash in the background that's like timed with the score kicking. in it's like this really cool action moment early on and it just felt like yeah this is this is hit now I feel like it's it was intended instead of the odd miss in that first part um yeah I appreciate that about it seemed like they were really were on a role the uh the sound design was incredible and I also thought so for part one really uh that was one of my favorite I think this yeah really good

in both yeah yeah yeah especially with the hearkinns and whatnot the in part one the baron's like technology that keeps him flying in the air has this like really deep rumble and like timbre activates since like oh this is yeah really engrossing especially when you got like a good sound system and you're hearing it like crackle yeah around you it's like oh this is this is the good stuff right here and the same with like the worms and whatnot the the noises that emphasize it's the scale of them and whatnot, you know, as they click and echo, yeah, love all that stuff. Yeah, I, uh, there's a couple things I want to compare to 1984.

So if you don't have anything else to say about Dune Part 2, I'd like to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, let's get into it. Do you want to do your writing for Part 2 and then I'll wrap up? I do. I'm giving this one a seven out of ten. Still, I'm not like a, I don't know. This is like one of the better case scenarios for a Star Wars type film for me, you know?

Still not a Star Wars type film person, but really great stuff in here. Yeah, well, obviously there's more of a Star Wars type film. person yeah this is right on my alley it's kind of yeah I don't feel like an asshole for the the caveats it's like nice when you have like when the caveats are met and it lives up to the premise of like now we got you we've want to split into into two parts at the end of part two you feel like it was justified it makes sense I feel like it was the best way to do the story justice especially

after watching that 84 one again. I feel like, yeah, with how complicated and heady and all over the place some of the concepts are, just with how they managed to do that in the five and a half hours, part one or two, I think it's like really, really good stuff, really fantastic, consistent sci-fi storytelling that I just want to be seen. I'm so glad people are responding because, I don't know, This seems like the exact kind of thing that nerds would go out and like and see, but no one else would, and it would just bomb. It would just be one of those. Oh man, imagine if we could have got part two of Dune type situations.

But no, here we are. We actually got it and it delivered. And I just think he's a really consistent filmmaker. Like his last four films are like these really solid science fiction blockbusters of different scales, different moods, different tones. like I think that's a really cool a really valuable voice in this space right now hell yeah he is a

he's a very sought after director I'd imagine yeah yeah he's got like three or four projects already green lit and ready to go um do I say my score yeah like a high uh four star or eight out of ten possibly could go up on rewatch

wow again in the next week or two it's so close to part one Mm-hmm Well, I feel like they They are so They are very similar At the end of the day Because might as well be one movie to you

They might as well be one thing Because they are I feel that way about Kill Bill Part 2 just kind of gets the advantage Of having some of the best set pieces And most interesting part of the story It gets the real meat Of the novel

To play with So it kind of has that Inerrant advantage So yeah it probably will be so i would say it's slightly better than that first one but i really can't yeah i do to see it as one as you're saying i would say i would say dune part two is the first movie i felt in a long time can actually be called epic without it being ironic yeah yeah you're right the the whole set piece towards the end with the three worms and whatnot

It's like, yeah, yeah, this is, this is earned scale. Because you just seem, you get, like, dull to it at a certain point when you see enough, like, big spectacle, Hollywood movies, like, the Meg or whatever, you know? Or, like, this new Godzilla that's coming out, like, the spectacle and scale just doesn't mean anything. Yeah, with the whole thing, it's just like, yeah, this epic image and this epic image. And they're friends now. They're friends now. That's coming. Yeah.

Where like there's there's nothing behind it. Whereas yeah, this feels like it feels earned. Like when you get to it and it makes the sweetness that much sweeter when it actually is earned. Instead of this like, yeah, the hollow like quick crash that you get from the easiness of Godzilla punching Kong in the head. Whatever. Yeah. I heard they're going to kiss it. the new movie.

I hope that they better do. That's basically to promise. Dune 1984, directed by David Lynch. And he also did the screenplay. Ambitious, I guess. We can give it that.

It was very funny. It was a very funny film. You mentioned the the sound of like the flying baron or whatever yeah yeah and I just in this movie

in this movie he's like the egg man like Sonic he's like when he's like flying around he's got a very funny like high pitch like kind of noise he's constantly flying and constantly screaming he's got a diseased face yeah he's like covered in postules

there's that scene where the scene starts and he's just like flying around this pillar in circles while screaming. And it's never really addressed but that's just kind of what he's like I guess. Yeah, a lot of flying, bobbing and screaming. It's like, it's so imposing

and frightening and scary when the one in the Villeneuve that baron is like imposing his imagery with this guy. He's like a clown. He's like the opposite. is it scary he's just kind of gross that's as intimidating as he gets as he's just yeah he's got like goo all over him and his postules are getting injected with by the hark and inductors and all this goofiness but yeah it's never intimidating that's for sure they're not

a very threatening villainous force in fact like the the plot of the film is it's like incomprehensible at a certain part. There's, it like rushes through the, the best of moments, I guess, of that first dune book. And like, when I say rushes through, it is, it is taking no time. It is like, it is terrified to linger for even a couple minutes. It's got so much to cover. It's like, it's the, it's the, it's the nightmare scenario, I guess, if, like, Villeneuve had to

cram that one book into one film. Yeah, he might not have done it. This might be a little taste. Yeah, this might be a little taste of like some of the pitfalls that come with that because you just have so much to explain, as I was saying, like all those concepts, all of these ideas. And the solution that I guess Lynch came up with for the most part was to just stop the film entirely and just have them talk at the camera.

That's kind of a solution. Like the first 20 minutes of the movie is like no exaggeration just just exposition done non-stop. There aren't really characters talking to each other. It's just straight up exposition like down to having a floating head in space talking at the audience. Who forgets what she was going to say about a minute into it? She fades out and then says, oh wait, I forgot to tell you. And then comes back. Which is a great line.

I love that moment. That was fun. Yeah, we got a, you know, I found this movie, like, very entertaining. I found it, like, a really easy film to get through. I was laughing at it. Yeah, I'm with you. I like it, mostly because of how just strange this is in David Lynch's filmography. Like, it really stands out.

And he's, like, written off and, like, doesn't really want. want to talk about it and there are there are a couple funny like clips on youtube of him like just straight out referring to it as a failure and whatnot and i think there's um it takes balls to do that like to acknowledge that that it didn't work out because it's not the first time that a big studio sci-fi project has wound up not coming together for the director like it's a tale as old as time really yeah i don't really don't really blame him for that as funny as it does come together but yeah

it's just it's an impossible ask almost like adapting it in the 80s as well forget about it's a challenge in the contemporary times now like with the visual effects we have we're still picking apart some of that

let alone in the 80s and the scale of what they have to try and sell obviously does not work out it's almost like condescending at a certain point with like how how lacking in confidence the the story has in itself like stopping every two seconds to make sure the audiences is keeping up with the concepts that are at play or something that's going on and just this over-reliance on narration all the time it's like a SMR whispering

narration that's always going on incessantly if there's kind of two approaches with like the Villeneuve Dune 1, the two-part approach he took of kind of leaving some things open or interpretable to the audience that you can kind of fill in with book knowledge and just choosing not to linger on the house and wise of things.

The Dune 84 does like the complete inverse of that. All you got to do is just compare like an equivalent scene like the Bena Jesuit box scene and just the execution of the... Showing the hand, yeah. Yeah, like showing the hand burning while there's like this narration going over the

all the imagery and it's like just repeated again and again. Yes, you can see that the hand is burning here. Yeah, I think that correct approach is use the imagination because then that leaves the audience members to fill in the blanks themselves and have it, you know, whatever to them is the most painful thing imaginable.

Yeah. Yeah. It's more effective that way. Yeah. Yeah. And it makes you, yeah, connect with the character more in the world and get engaged with it instead of like, it's always putting you at an arm's length and making itself relief distant and difficult to understand.

Especially when like, what, like 70% of it. it looks stupid and ridiculous? Oh yeah. Like, like, like, I was making fun of the, how the shields look in part one.

Like the, what even, what, what was the, it's a Roblox type fight scene. Yeah, it does. They just turn into Roblox.

And it covers the characters in such a way that it literally fills the entire frame. Yeah. With the visual effects layered on top of it, you can't see anything. Yeah, they have to be like thick enough that, you know, it's less polygons, the less hinges there are. So with the limitations at the time. But even so, even considering those limitations, they didn't exactly film it in a smart way. Yeah, it doesn't seem like they planned for it.

No. Yeah, it almost seems like they added it like as an afterthought. because there's some shots where if I were to imagine it being filmed without those effects you might be able to interpret someone flying across the screen as like oh they're lunging or they're jumping

or something but in this when there's so much covering it and it's just the one shot it just looks like they gain the ability to fly for a second and I'm like what and then I have to like try and piece together like what the intent might have been for what they were showing.

Not properly communicated. Not properly communicated. And everything's like really low energy as well. Like there's no like urgency to anything. It's like everyone's sleepwalking through this. There's no like excitement. It's yeah, very sleepy like plodding kind of movement to everything. I like it.

At the same time that it is like, well, I find it entertaining. It's like, but it is bad. Like, you don't connect with anyone. It's, it's like simultaneously cold and distant, but also moves so quickly. And like it's just going beat by beat by beat by beat, like, and you're never given a second to like absorb anything or take anything in while it's just like screaming concepts at you. Like I mentioned in the intro, the tooth thing. That's another good contrast point. Oh yeah, he like farts out his fucking mouth.

Yeah. Yeah, and the whole setup is like, they explain it and it's like, I put the fake tooth in. Then you've got to have the little reminder. Remember the tooth. Remember the tooth. I don't remember your tooth. Yeah, it's like, what? How stupid do you think I am?

I'm like, I've got a bad short-term memory, but. How stupid do you think I am? Man. Yeah, that was something that was not. to understand in the first film. No. As in the part one. It's really not complicated. Like there are way more complicated concepts going on that they like breeze over compared to this tooth For some reason. I remember the tooth I like what I think I like that they called the martial arts thing the weirding way. I don't know if that was in the book or not

But I don't remember them saying that in the Veil Nev version. I know that down to Yeah, that weird scene where he like blows the obelisk or something. Yeah. Where he does it like a Fustora or a Kamamiya. Yeah. Chisa. Yeah.

I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure it is something to do the book. And then having all of them do that, like, in the end, fight scene, just like, he'sa! He'sa! Like every single one, like, fucking dozens of characters all just shouting this weird thing is just funny to me. And it's so weird because, like, they're using, like, guns, but they're building it up with their own weirding way powers that he had to teach them.

That's a little confusing. A little bizarre, but like, it's, it's hitting the beats on a checklist in a way where. Oh, yeah, exactly. Because, yeah, that last, like, 50 minutes is basically boiling down what in Doom Part 2 makes up two hours, 46 minutes into, like, yeah, 50 minutes. It's like just going going, it's rushing through that at the speed of light and obviously never gets a chance to delve into any of it in much detail or give it any resonance. And especially with some of the aspects that have definitely aged it and cemented it in

the 80s like the score, especially that I like the guitar. I like the score. Again, I like the score. I like the score. but I don't think it would be the correct choice to, I don't think of a sci-fi setting thousands of years outside of my own. I think of the 80s.

Correct. I think of the music from this, whereas like the music in Doom part one and two, I feel like it's more, you know, it complements the, it feels timeless like it would exist outside of anything we would know instead of, it's literally like Brian Eno and a guitar.

Well! So I love Brianino. I'm a Brianino guy, but like, you know, it is funny. Let's wait another 20 to 40 years before we definitively say that the music doesn't feel dated, though. Yeah. Because we could see that, like, those sounds of like more of that decade, the decade that we're in right now, you know. Yeah. It's still on the table.

I just, yeah, I don't know. I found it difficult to put it on that. the same level as campiness of campiness that this film reaches. And it's like, there was a certain scene where I still don't really understand what even was going on was hoping it maybe you had an interpretation of it where like, the there's like the eraser head babies like flying around space like shooting goo light at planets. Um, and it's like this whole sequence.

And I was just like, what the, like, what is actually happening? Like, I couldn't tell you. I don't even know. Like I have no clue. Like the holes. And that's before they've even got to Iraqis, I think. Because I know, like, just after that I noted down that there's an establishing shot of Iraqis with, uh, like a mother ship hovering above it.

And the, the mothership looks like. it looks like shit, like it looks awful. Like some of the map paintings and the miniatures, like they look really good and kind of stuff I like, but some of it's like, man, this is rushed. You had like, what resources did you have for this? Because it's really not selling some of the scope you've got to communicate here, like with some of the worm scenes as well.

I quite like the design of the worms, but when it comes to, you know, the equivalent scene of Paul having to ride the mega worm, it's like comical. Yeah, that was really funny. It looks ridiculous. That was a very bad looking sequence. And even, even like for the time, you can see the blue outline on every character. Like, damn. Yeah, some really bad compositing.

The blue screen technology was not quite there yet. Yeah. It's like a mad fever dream by that point in the film anyway, because when it gets into the whole like war and there's like this weightless, floaty action where there's just like projectiles going everywhere, filling the screen with motion, but it's like nothing's actually happening. It's like, and this triumphant music is playing,

People are screaming and you're like, oh my God, what is even being accomplished? I don't even know what is happening. Like, oh, it's so mad. But weirdly entertaining. Yeah, it is a weirding way type film. It's definitely weirding way. Yeah. David Lynch mastered the weirding way.

I like it because it reminds me of like Ralph Bakshi shit, you know. I love seeing this like old technology just dated and the tone and, you know, just things that are not necessarily, they're not at all like seamless or like expertly crafted, but they have so much character to it. I like things with, you know, scars and wrinkles or like all these imperfections but are just still amusing. to yeah it does feel like kind of like misplaced character like some of the some of the costume designs and like hairstyles and whatnot the eyebrows and yeah the eyebrows the big poofy hair yeah lots of like goofy decisions which i don't know i like the obvious lynch nature to them but when you're trying to do this like novel justice

it really it really is quite funny how a lot of it comes together and how just confusing and all over the place or like just comparing the dragonfly ships from

the Villeneuve parts compared to whatever that thing was it looked like a teacup they were like flying around for the equivalent See, it's just really weird visual language they were pulling out for like establishing the factions and the ships and it's just like, it's not, it's not, it's not interesting or cool in the way that it's intended.

It's just kind of like weird in a lynchian way, which is kind of half intended, but it's also supposed to be dune. Yeah, it's definitely a weirding way. All of the acting was bad. Yeah, what was with like some of the emphasis and a lot of the acting, like some of the lines they'd just deliver with like as if they were directed, this is the most important thing you've ever said or done or like your break down after you say this line. Like when the worm leaves when Paul and his mother are like they're hiding in the rocks and there's these big and there's a worm like slamming on the rocks trying to get. to them and then it leaves. She has the line, why did it leave? She delivers it like in the most intense, extreme way.

And then she like breaks down, like, sobbing. And then it cuts away to a pool line and back to her. And then she just delivers the next line in a completely different cadence as if she wasn't just like breaking down. So there's so many weird hilarious reads like that. They're just like, oh, none of this is jelling. all of these random takes and like different levels of intensity and like actors clearly not knowing what they're channeling and it's like all over the place and yeah it's funny but man it is it is not land mm-hmm yeah a lot of great lines i want to spit once on your head a little spittle I like when he said

The worm is the spice and the spice is the worm And then he just like screams Lots of screaming Like just that emphasis is always just something Yeah It was a great character Fantastic screen presence Scream presence

Yes I like when Paul gets his name So what is the name of the ding It is Maudib I wish to be called Paul Maudib. You are Paul Maudib.

Just the awkwardness of that conversation, just the back and forth was just so good. Oh, there's lots of, like, awkwardness, like stilted awkwardness. It feels like no one even knows, like, the words they're saying. Like, they know nothing about Dune.

They know nothing about, like, how this all links together. They're just saying these things. Just reading phonetically. Like, the way they say, and I don't know, what the proper quote unquote way to say Harkinans is but like they're all saying it in like these weird different ways like some were saying like Harkonans it's the Harkonans some were saying

Harkonans and so come on what is it? I thought the awkward like creepy interactions the ultimate awkward interaction was that of between Paul and his dad It's like really weird. They're like, I'm so proud of you seen. And it just like holds on a close up of his dad's face just like staring lovingly. It feels like a full minute. Like just holding it. It's like so awkward.

Like why? Yeah. I fucking I just the acting is so bad. Like Kyle McLaughlin. When he's pretending to sleep, it's like maybe the worst I've ever seen in a movie ever. Desert Planet. He's like talking his sleep. And then Sting, who I was not ever that familiar with.

But his entire screen presence, just this weird fucking, like he shows up in the vision nerd, I guess, I don't even know the context of what's happening. He just says like, I will kill you. And then, yeah, every single scene he's in, he's doing like this weird shit with his eyebrows, like all these weird, almost like Tim and Eric style facial expressions. I'm like, oh, you don't know that you're doing that, do you? Like, you have no idea.

He's just kind of in the movie. Yeah, that's a really bad character. But basically every line read from Sting is like hilarious and wrong. Wrong. Yeah, it's like it doesn't, it's not right. Yeah. Lots of pugs in the movie. Yeah, they even took a pug into battle.

Yeah, why? As the battle begins, like, Patrick Stewart's like holding one as he charges into war. I don't know why Me neither it's a metaphor for just how like how dogs get

selectively bred until you know people are like oh it's so cute but their faces are crushed like the Benin-Jezza and they have like breathing problems and they're constantly in pain and their eyes are popping out but people are like

oh it's cute that's like what happened to the movie from the studios. It's a very smart metaphor from David Lynch. It's a eugenics. Yeah, it's a eugenics failure. Yeah. And his,

I felt that way about the visual metaphor of his, his cameo appearance as well when he's like, Oh yeah. The struggling worker in the, in the mining machine that's about to be, like, destroyed by a giant worm that's rocketing towards him while he's, like, in the depths of this machine covered in Greece, like, trying to hold it together.

I thought, yeah, that was quite a good visual depiction of probably what he was going through making this film. The number of the day. He's got a funny voice. Oh, he's got a great voice. The Weather Report. Yeah, there are some things I liked about it. I thought that, you know, that creature that shows up, the garbage bag people,

kind of bring into the room. It was like kind of Cronenbergy. There's some cool practical effects stuff going on here and there. But yeah, it really gets overshadowed by just how much improperly realized material is in the film, both character and narratively

and visually and effects. And like, just so much of it just is laughable. But it made it fun. It made it a fun movie for me. I love Eggman. He's the best. Yeah.

Well, yeah, this is my second time seeing this, and I was, yeah, just as entertained. Partially through kind of how baffled you are. It's especially funny after seeing part one, two, of your nerves version. Yeah, it's extra embarrassing. Yeah. The worm riding scene especially.

I'm like, wow. Well, even like, I don't know, simple, simple scenes that don't even require much or many visual effects. Like the scene where they try on the, the Fremen suits and pulls one already fits, like, really well. Just like the way it's blocked and like the awkward, like, just delivery of it. And it's all just like, so confusing. And the way space is depicted too. Yeah. Like that's one of the things I like about how,

how like long the runtime of part one is where you really get like a good idea of the whole mining facility, the where everything's like laid out where scenes are taking place. Whereas like here, and I pull, he's like in a hallway of some somewhere and you're like, I don't even know where you are or like why this environment's important or anything. It's all just like so random. and just jumps about. And so yeah, just seemingly random ways that don't link together. It's pretty broken in that sense.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, loads about visual effects, loads about dialogue, even if it is trying to translate concepts that are cool on the written page and cool in the Villeneuve adaptations, but here are just so dumb. dumb like the voice like sucks yes not cool the way it's it manifests in this film like it's mostly just used for people to just talk at the audience really yes well they don't really do anything with it they go talking maybe make each other walk around yeah yeah that's kind of what

was getting out earlier with when that fetus with the thousands of years of knowledge is born supposed to be put into a little girl and you get it in the lynch one and I mean they what a payoff they do yeah exactly they do something with it they she's the one who kills the baron I think in the book and in this version of the movie which kind of makes yeah I know as I say it happens in the book but it it just leaves Paul as kind of this just has like no agency in the in this version he just I don't know you just kind of goes around doing what he does

because he has to. It doesn't feel like he has any agency. He's just, yep. Going through this weird world, things are happening because they're happening and there are featsas flying through space shooting light beams. Like, I don't know what's going on.

I don't actually know what happens now. Like in the story. A lot of gross things. A lot of body horror happened for some reason. Yeah, it seemed like that's the part Lynch enjoyed was the hearkening grossness and everything outside of that. It's a bit just like...

Ripping a cow's tongue off and eating it and just chewing it throughout the scene. Like, oh, num, rum, rum. That was weird. Yeah, they had, they had, like, red hair and chapped lips. Some, like, really weird decisions. They were all diseased. as far as... Yeah.

Someone's interpretation of this, I'm not going to like try and pretend like I have any idea how legitimate this is, but there's a film scholar in the 1980s that said that this film was the most obscenely homophobic film I have ever seen, it was the quote. Oh.

Apparently, you know, just a bunch of... Apparently they considered the villains to be like queer co-combing. and like diseased in the middle of the AIDS epidemic and I'm reading this thing here referring to a scene in which Baron Harcannon sexually assaults and kills a young man by bleeding him to death charging him with a yeah so I didn't I didn't do like a huge dive into this I kind of just loosely heard about it but I don't know who knows

that's interesting yeah no I'm just thinking about it now how yeah because like in the books Are they a bunch of disease? I think they're like, they're sex perverts, but I don't know if they're like, have like boils on them and that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's interesting. Who knows? Well,

I'll have to get Lynch on the show and ask him. All right, we're getting David Lynch on the show. well I did watch on my phone so yeah you did yeah of course it's the only way I watched this one I wonder if he'd be okay with you watching this film on your phone yeah it's the only film from his filmography he allows on phone yeah on your telephone all right um I give this one a four out of ten I loved it it was very funny

Eggman was funny I will never forget Eggman Roblox is Yeah I had it down on Letterbox is the same rating 2 star 4 out of 10 It's very bad From almost every angle

But kind of yeah Kind of fun bad I'm consistently laughing Some of the decisions A lot of effort Did go in To making it But it's like

All kind of misplaced Yeah All of it. It never comes together in any way. There's like no good action. There's, there are a lot of like sets and scale and different capable actors and these costumes and wackiness. But yeah, it's all just a bit, a bit off, I'm afraid.

Just a, yeah, strange, strange director for this. I know George Lucas asked him as well to do a Star Wars movie and that maybe as a glimpse into what that might have been like as well, but yeah, it wasn't Lynch that was able to translate this on the big screen, that's for sure. All right. To Freedom is a film that I recommended. We found this film, and I think most people actually found this film because they were looking for sound of freedom. And I noticed that I looked this up on letterbox staff after and that's what a lot of the reviews said is that they were looking for sound of freedom

and found two freedom, 2023. Really? I'm amazed it had a lot of reviews. Like, more than three. Well, there were three total. There were three total. I mean, a significant portion of the existing reviews stated that. This has what, 100 ratings on.

IMDB. It was under 100 and then I did a watch along and now it's over 100. It was like 90 something. Now there's 111 ratings. Now everyone's watching to freedom. Yeah, we get to see the power of my watchalong. At least 20 people rated it. All right, let's read the description on IMDB.

A grieving widower mourning the loss of his wife realizes a year later. Everything is not what it seems. This is from director, Biodin-Steven Steven and writer Tiger Fire Rose. Something that I noticed is that Mr. Stephen, the director, directed, I think 18 other movies in 2023. Yeah, I counted 14. In one year, yeah. Yeah. Which explains a lot.

That's including TV must have a very efficient system. Yeah. Because there were a bunch of times where I was thinking something like, you know, if the audio didn't work that day, you could just do ADR. But I guess he was already working on 10 other movies. And that was just, there is no post. Maybe. maybe that's the whole style of directing

where the audio sounded like they forgot to take like a cap off something where it sounded like it had a cover yeah it was muffled it was either muffled or peeking and there was you know sometimes they would hit that perfect spot in between where it sounded like a normal mic for seconds

and then we would never hear that until like 20 minutes later For a couple seconds. Or the most frustrating one is when there would be dialogue in a scene that sounds muffled and like it's two miles away in the distance. At the same time as there being like the sound effect of someone playing with a pen. Or crickets. Clear as day. Or crickets, yeah.

In the same scene. The obviously different crew that was doing like the foley and background effects. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe it was just like stop. effects for some of these things like crickets or whatever oh my god in the middle of that dinner scene where the character adam shows up and shows the picture on his phone and just all of the audio is just absolutely fucking horrendous like you never heard any worse audio from any other film ever probably like burdemic's the only one that comes close but this might be worse and then just

like his date at the table takes a sip and they did they actually did the the folly of sip and it's clear as day like in the middle of the scene where like you can't hear what they're saying or like the rain sound effects where it's like okay wait they're indoors why is the rain like 10 times as loud as then speaking oh my god what a gem what a what a fucking classic this was because there are some movies where you can just tell yeah it was hilarious this was a movie where I skimmed through a little bit and I went this isn't sound of freedom But it's stuck in my memory. And I was like, there's something that imprinted on me.

I'm like, there's something special here. And I am intrigued and I got to check this out. And I am not disappointed. I had that, yeah, that exact same experience when I was looking for Sound of Freedom. And yeah, normally if I was Rickrolled that hard and was given something like this, yeah, just deleting or give it the time of day. But something about it made it. So I just kept it.

I didn't have the heart to get rid of it. I knew there'd be some... There was space in my future for To Free... We knew we would make time for it. Yeah, and it demanded it. Yeah, there's something about it where it begs, it commands some sort of presence. It's begging for interpretation, you know, like Synecdochia, New York.

It's kind of like someone watched Gong girl and was like, my turn. Spoilers for Gone Girl is what I was going to say. Yeah. Spoilers for Gone Girl for this discussion because it's a rip-off of Gone Girl. Even down to the music and stuff, they're trying to do the like Trent Resina the score and everything. Very clearly trying to emulate the Gone Girl soundtrack in specific scenes. Yeah. Even down to the famous technically missing scene from Gongo, they like tried to do that,

flip it. Like, for most of the movie you're following this, this lead main character, who's, yeah, wife has gone missing. And yeah,

just towards the end, they tried to out, like, they're pulling the rug out. And it's like, he was actually an abuser the whole time. He just forgot. He just forgot.

Yeah, he just forgot. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's probably why she's ran away. Yeah. Because,

yeah, he's like acting in earnest. Like, I actually have no clue where she's gone. Yeah. Even though she said, she would leave in the flashbacks.

He caught her trying to leave once. She's like, I'm not going anywhere. He's like, yes, you are. I'm going to hit you. Yeah. Unfortunately, because of that audio, it made some of it quite difficult to decipher. I had subtitles. You didn't have subtitles?

Really, the one I had didn't have subtitles. No. Oh, God. You had a very different experience than I did. Yeah, yeah. No, it was like, yeah, trying to solve something. You gotta fill me in then on the there's this best friend character to the abusive Main character who kind of breaks down towards the end and he's like not this time and he tells this story about how the

Was it the main character loved someone to death? Yes, exactly so he has a history of like killing his girlfriends Because he's so abusive so like this isn't the first time the main the main character this is not This is not his first rodeo And the best friend I guess is like I don't know if he's a friend under duress because the guy's so powerful that if anybody tries to arrest him he pulls the Una reverse card and and the police wait patiently while he makes a phone call to their boss and says actually the person who

tried to arrest me is under arrest so the friend couldn't do anything about it unless he was doing things behind his back basically which is what wound up happening. So the friend, his best friend helped the main character's girlfriend escape, but not really, because she'd stayed in, not only in town, but at her parents' house, and they invited him over for the funeral to the same place where she was without putting her somewhere else, without saying, hey, maybe take the day in a different location, this man that's trying to hunt you down and basically kill you. This abuser is going to be here. And then she looks out the window at the exact moment where he's looking. She was looking. And then she hides under the bed. Well, not under

the bed. On the floor with the covers draped over her. Yeah, not not, um, not properly thought through from the characters, you know. Yeah, the whole movie. But yeah, so the best friend couldn't really do much because the guy's so powerful. Even though I thought the best friend like employed him. So shouldn't he also be more powerful? Because like he's employing him. They didn't really elaborate on the power levels. Yeah. What does he even do for work?

Like he just makes money. They never said. I don't think. He like talks with banks or something. Like he was always just wearing like fly outfits and whatnot. The costume design. Holy shit. Insane.

It's like so distracting. You're like, oh, focus on anything. You're like, right? You're wearing those elaborate. it like I don't even know what that is it's like the most colorful amazing thing you've ever seen it's crazy you're focus yeah it's like you're being peacocked in every frame of the film true true I like there's there's a part where he like quickly rushes to like

put on his sandals but they're too small for him his feet are like way bigger than the sandals and they continue the scene anyway and you see it man this film does not its punches like once it is revealed that the main character is like an abuser and the other characters band together to deal with him the solution is to like get him on a drug cocktail and um what I wrote down the exact phrasing let's just say he's in the prison of his own mind is the phrasing yes that they they settle on so that's their solution is to get him into a drug can do stupor so he won't hurt anyone again. So he can sign her release or what was happening?

So he could sign, I don't. Is that the release or a divorce? So she can like leave the country, I guess? I guess. But then he eventually figures it out as in he learns how to spit out the medication because he's not being injected. He's just kind of willfully taking these pills. And he was even suspicious at the beginning.

He's like, wait, these are different. They're like, no, we switched from generic brand to the name brand. It's better. It's the better medication, not the same chemical, but better. I just love how they have the whole, like, conquering over this guy and managing to escape. Like, that's what the name is getting at, to freedom. Woo! He's indicating the freedom of this woman.

But it ends on the psycho man guy, like basically looking into the camera and saying, I'm coming for you. Hell yeah. I hope there's a sequel. Yeah, to freedom too. Let's go. Let's make this Bayoden Stevens most successful film, so he's obligated to make a sequel. Sequels. Because I'll fucking watch it in a heartbeat.

Yeah. Turn this guy into like an unkillable, like, Freddy type. Oh my God. Figure? You know, because I was whole friendship It was so weird because at the It's like the very beginning of the movie They have that the title

And just the design of the title Single fucking PNG image of a flame on One of the letters I think that Not moving I'm like, okay, that's weird And then they do the whole like glitch effect Like I'm like, wait, is this a scary movie? I thought there was like a

Like a character romantic Like you know you read the description You see the poster. Yeah, yeah. Just like kind of hugging and people are staring blankly into the distance. It's a thriller. I guess. With twists.

It's a gone girl type film. You know, I once saw a tweet. Yes. That was, oh my God. Classic line. The best line. Yeah, I had to remind you because I was there's no, he must have said something else. No.

Tweet. You must have said another word that sounds like. tweet. No, but you know I once saw a tweet. I couldn't imagine watching this without subtitles. I'm so sorry. It was kind of a fun challenge. It was like a chess game in and of itself trying to like figure out. It really forces you to pay attention. Yeah, maybe you can help me then on that scene early on where the wife has gone missing and the main character is like, he's talking to people who, you know, you think are cops who are like investigating or trying to find the body or whatever. But then he's like, what am I paying you guys for?

Go find her. And it's like, wait, what? I think he hired a duo of private investigators that he forgot about after that scene. Because the entire rest of the movie, I was like, why don't you just like, you found a clue. You believe you found a clue. I can give that, like, all of this, it's a weird, extreme. version of like tell don't show you know because he he says he sees her in the window we never see that until later and i if i'm trying to imagine the choice to not show his perspective there

i would think okay well they're afraid of showing her being there because they don't want the audience to know whether or not she was there but you could still show it from his perspective and just show it quickly enough or you know there's plenty of films have done that where like you still don't know because you don't know if that was just from his perspective you don't know if that was like a hallucination from him you can still show it it chose not to fucking the scene I was talking about earlier Adam shows up and you know shows him a picture on his phone like oh this is her and then he like accuses him of kidnapping or he's like where'd you take her and then his date's like wait you're married he's like no yes no we never see the picture we just we see him reacting to the picture we never see it right all of these things I'm just like okay show the private investigators tell them what you know now

if you really want to find her then you should be updating them why did they those characters just disappeared it's crazy that the script got finished and forgot that they wrote those characters in at the beginning and then just it's crazy that it has a script yeah

it's crazy I just love that main that main character, his facial expressions that he's whipping out throughout the film is so awesome the way they hold on them, especially whatever he was doing was like eyebrows. Like that serious face he kept doing

it was like cracking up every time he was doing it. Yeah. And it like really lingers. Oh, it's perfect. The chef's kiss right there. Yeah, the action scenes, the fight scenes. She's dead. She's alive.

Ah! Towards the beginning. They like, They attempt to time lapse. But like, they clearly didn't film enough, like, raw footage to speed up, so it goes by, like, way too quick. Like, way too fast for a time lapse. Also, it wasn't stationary. It was fucking moving around.

No, yeah, yeah. You should get it on a tripod and keep it there and don't touch it. What the fuck are you doing? If you're going to speed up the footage. Oh, my God. That same shot of, like, the, the, the. office building or whatever from below looking up that they use like three different times and like almost every time it's like two seconds too short it like doesn't leave any breathing

room like the editing is just so weird where it's like what like oh wait did I just see that shot why why was it so quick why was that there yeah they do that a bunch of times no understanding of like pacing at all yeah yeah yeah and it's really crazy that that they decided to do this type of story and presented in this way. Because, you know, even if you were just copying Gone Girl, you can make something interesting out of, oh, wife is missing, right? You can have more clues throughout the film to keep people engaged. But instead, it's like 45 minutes in a row, at least, of him just being like, I'm crazy

and sad. And like nothing new gets developed. It's just very repetitive. and it doesn't really move on. Like, you could be, you could be finding out new things. Yeah, it's just the same repeat of him going somewhere, finding out that something's not right, doing the funny face, and then screaming at someone about like, where's my wife? Where have you put my wife? And it's just that again and again.

Yeah. In the, like, three or four locations and the, on the obvious sound stages. Yeah. that they are jumping between. My God. It's an overly lit. The parents' house, I don't know if you caught this. The fucking railing was like not...

That was like a safety hazard. It was like fucking wobbling when they were touching it. And there's a shot where they get to the top of the stairs and he's like... The dad's like confronting him or whatever. And every time it cuts back to the main character, the only other thing in the frame is like the end of the railing kind of just like... on broken drywall, just not, like, like it was glued to the wall, but then because someone like grabbed the railing, like it broke from the wall, but the piece of the dry wall still

stuck on it. So you have this broken dry, and like the end of the railing. It was crazy. And it kept cutting back to it. And that's the only other thing in the frame besides him. And I'm like, you could, you could change the way you shoot it. Like, you could just have him, move over slightly or move the camera over slightly so that that's not in the frame the entire time constantly cutting back to it very interesting this is what like a thousand dollar budget

what did they make this on I don't know because it's a it's a Nigerian film this could be considered nollywood is the term and even on the Wikipedia page there's you know the fact that there's no clear definition

for Nollywood other than just a film from Nigeria is mentioned, any variety of budgets, apparently. So I, you know, there's a scene where the bank manager, you know, he's trying to get the info from the bank manager because he sees, because his email is synced up to, or sorry, her email is synced up to his, not only his phone, but also his computer. And he sees two million Nigerian dollars get withdrawn from her bank account. So I got some, I was like, okay, somebody convert this. It's apparently like 1700 Canadian.

So I don't know what they're, you know, I don't know what, what, what, what, how much money you're supposed to spend on a film in Nigeria. This is the first Nigerian film that I've seen, I think. Yeah, we assume. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know, I don't know what, I don't know what the budget was. I don't know what the budget was supposed to be. the costumes were crazy though

if you can get 14 and 14 plus in one year must be must be manager yeah definitely the entire production was like a week that much is clear filmed in two days edited in half a day

it written in a weekend yeah yeah this is a I would for sure recommend this film. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so would I. It flies by as well, like hour and a half.

I barely. Barely feature. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely entertaining if you like Neil Breen and the room. They were definitely, they were throwing a ball at each other in the middle of the conversation. And I was like, damn, this really is the room here. Yeah, they even probably had to do a take more than once with the basketball through the hoop shot.

You never know. That's dedication. But what was with that scene? It was like a flash. They do various flashbacks to like how strong the relationship was or whatever. Yes. There's one where the wife character comes, home like really happy

because she can feed like 10,000 children or something she says because of a the husband's like oh how did you do that and she's like oh I got an anonymous donation that was enormous

and then he's like smirking and she's like oh wait was that you he's like yeah it was me I got other people to donate so I could make it an obscene amount Yeah, like, they never explain what this guy like does, did they? They never...

He's very rich and powerful. He apparently just owns everything in Nigeria. He owns the police. And still can't figure out when his wife just disappears for a year. Oh my God, we can't forget to mention the beard. That was like... There's the flush forward with the beard. Just for him to shave immediately.

It was like one year later and he's like doing the pouty face and he's like his hair is longer and he's got this. The fakesest fucking beard I've seen since like the end of jackass number two. It was basically the same. It was like a pubic beard. And he takes off like a tiny bit with the razor. It just kind of like falls off. I was really hoping that they'd commit.

like the full shaving scene but then they kind of just like cut and then it's like okay well you've still you've still got a beard it's just more I don't know how you did that with a razor I don't know how you did that with a razor yeah he just goes yeah he goes back to exactly how he looked before

yeah that's hilarious it was great trying to indicate time passing and the like it only like it existed and then disappeared there's no real reason to have that it just he immediately shaved it up as soon as we cut to one year later and then they'd already yeah established that it was a year later like with text like showing the beard like just do one of the other way like yeah it's so stupid it was great yeah so i'm just they were definitely using lav mics

they're probably expensive whether so muffled yeah it's one of those situations where yeah like it probably would have been better just to use the audio from the camera no matter what the mic was on the camera, like, it probably would have been better. Well, yeah, honestly, if that was the level, if what they were using was what they recorded on set, they needed to ADR this whole thing. Yeah. Like, they needed to Madame Web it. Yeah. Yeah.

Because it's, it's honestly, like, unlistenable. Yeah. It's, like, really difficult to tell what they're saying if you don't have subtitles a lot of the time. Yeah. It's a crazy decision because, you know, you could have something that looks out of sync. But if you can tell what they're saying, that's probably the preferred outcome rather than... Yeah. Yeah.

Would you even describe it as a decision? It seems like... A lack thereof. They didn't even care. They didn't even think... Yeah, like it needed even... This week, because it doesn't matter. Like, the sets are flat and the way.

its shot is really bland and the way it's lit is really like overly done but like the cameras like the focus was in focus oh yeah the cinema you'd never expect by skipping through the movie that the cinematography would be better than the audio yeah exactly but it like really doesn't match like the audio is significantly worse than the already like not impressive visuals it's shocking it's genuine like I'm not kidding when I say it might be like the worst out of any movie I've ever seen it's the standout feature for sure yeah yeah yeah and they just take it to the funniest places in such like an earnest way like the whole shrink thing like getting the shrink in there the conversations they get from that it's like this is awesome

And she, like, she changes her style up a lot in every scene too. Yeah. Yeah, they are like totally bombarding you with the costumes and, like, the color of that. It's a real crewella. Yeah. Damn, they really should get a costume numb for like most costumes. Yeah. It's one of the more notable things about the film, honestly.

Yeah. They always look crazy. But I guess it's supposed to be like, oh, he's so rich. He's so rich he has those. Is that what they're saying with that? I think that's the implication. He's such a rich guy. And then, yeah, the therapist, she kind of seemed like she didn't really want to be there.

She was not really, I mean, Sure, it's revealed later that, what, she had a science degree? Because she needed that to get the meds. She wasn't a real therapist, and she was a plant. To trick him into being anesthetized. There was a nice attempt to a montage for the therapy sequences, like showing the passage of time with all of his sessions. And the camera was moving.

Mm-hmm. And something was happening. So that was notable. Yeah. It's like, yeah, every now and again, they'd like remember, oh yeah, like, this is a movie, I guess. We can, like, go somewhere or do something. We can move the camera. You can have an overly blaring piano, smash something out in the background.

When they showed him playing the piano. That was like top one, like fake piano playing I've seen in a movie. That was so good. I was actually unsure that it was supposed to be dietic until he stopped playing and the piano noise stopped. I was like, is it a part of the soundtrack that's just happening and we're not hearing what he's playing? But no.

He was playing that in the universe. That leo character was perfect. That actor brought it. He carries the whole thing on his back. It's like, awesome. What he brings to it, both unintentional and intentional. He's crying when he needs to. He's getting those tears.

He's bringing that emotion. He's bringing that intensity. Bringing them slaps. He's bringing that drip. Yes. He does, he has like this pouty face for so much of the film and it just works so well comedically. It's very special

Yeah, I've got to get some screenshots of that Some of them are just like It's like perfect comedic stuff right there Yeah The crickets were a good character I like the crickets They represented a fair amount of the runtime You can't escape them

They're just there Uh Hold on, there's another note here. Oh my God. Sorry, I'm just trying to. I saw something earlier and then I forgot. If you have something to say, go for it. I'll remember it.

No, that's most of, like, I've gone through most of my notes now. That's more than what I was anticipating, to be honest. Yeah, I think it's a little bit of a diamond in the rough, this one. Did you get caught off guard by the pillow that looked like? a PNG image. That's not ringing a bell. Pillow that looks like a PNG. Yeah, because there's, there's,

just the way that it's lit, it looks, it's not, but it looks like it's just photoshopped into the environment just because of the way that it like kind of pops in the set. The sets were pretty great.

There's the broken railing. Very, like I would, that's like an accident waiting to happen. I can't believe they actually, like, worked with that. Lawsuit stuff. Lots of, like, IKEA type set decoration, you know, like, just this thing on the wall that says love.

Yeah, yeah. I guess they love each other. And, like, the same consistent light source, like, from every angle. And the, like, huge painting that's not hung up, but is just sitting on top of, like, a piece furniture like a drawer. That was fun. It's got a great mezon scene. They will look like showrooms.

Yeah. No one's actually lived in any of these spaces. No. They're just sound stages. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very gripping thriller.

Twist and turns. Still don't know what he does for work, but he's able to like leave the office for a year and then get right back to it. So whatever job you can do that. That's just part of the commentary. Because he's so powerful. Yeah.

Yeah, if you're looking for a good watch to freedom. Yeah, how would someone actually like find this? It's on Amazon. It's on Amazon Prime. Oh, Prime video is, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. It's included with Prime.

Legends. Hell yeah. So there's no excuse then. No excuse. And it has subtitles there, I think. Or at least that's what my tortilla said it was from. Lots of water bottles without labels. His hospital was like, that was a good bed for a hospital.

Who knows if he was actually in one? Why did she come back to tell him all that? There's no way. She could have just left. Why did she feel the need to, like, she was so confident about him not only being conscious enough to understand her, but being, like, sedated enough to not be able to, like, do anything about it while she was standing there. That's a lot of confidence for someone who's trying to run away from an abuser.

It did give it a nice punchy, dramatic effect, though, did it not? Yeah. Yeah. It's a very dramatic film. Lots of emotion laughter it's the main

the main one it doesn't feel like everyone just met for the first time every scene yeah yeah so if you want to see one of the 18 movies that this director

directed in 2023 I would say to freedom is probably your best bet and they leave it on a cliffhanger I want to see a sequel make this Bayudan Steven's most successful film and Tiger Fire Rose

the writer yeah and I guess like the sequel you could even get clever with and just TWO freedom oh you know it's perfect

or to freedom too which is equally a fun title I've got options yeah from freedom Two freedoms To

Opposite of freedom To jail Yeah I would like If we If the second movie is him hunting or down I'm gonna get you But it's like the most powerful man ever

I want to see what they do with that setup Like they've set up some really interesting things here I want to see I want to see more in this universe and I want to see where this goes. Yeah, I'm with you. There's potential. There's building potential. We could get to like a sore type.

Oh, yeah. Situation. Yeah. We can have plenty of twists and. An omniscient, powerful, omnipresent villain. We're just about there anyway. Yeah.

We're pretty much there. Yeah. Great performances. Great audio, the best audio ever. soundtrack so good some of it reminded me of super seducer some of it reminded me of gone girl some of it reminded me of free play piano

dramatic music um costumes fucking incredible incredible costumes acting amazing yeah everything great this was a real should I give it a one or a ten yeah yeah I'm feeling

similar energy but I decided on a one myself Maybe on a rewatch, I'll give it a 10. For now, I'm giving it a 1, yeah. Yeah, I'm going one star like. We'll get the like in there. I think that makes it clear what we're dealing with here. I think the, yeah, to release the film in that state, it's kind of unacceptable.

That audio, I'm like... It's more than kinder. It's like unforgivably unwatchable with that audio. Like, just that one change would probably give it another state. entirely like it's that bad. You can't have made this film and pretended like you didn't know that that was an issue. You can't, you can't possibly release that and like, you're basically like it's like a scam almost.

Yeah, because like the audio source is changing by cut. So like they must know. Yeah, it's not an accident. Yes, yes, mad. Yeah. You have to have to have for sure seen the film before releasing it, right? Hopefully, but Biden and Stephen might be so busy he didn't have time.

Oh, yeah. 18, so that's more months than are in a year. That's, that's like a movie and a half per month. Every month. Something this good, hopefully, is more. than that. Is it? No, that's about it. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah, about, yeah, yeah. Yeah, one and a half movies per month. There's some months where you make two movies. Yeah. Do you think if you really put your head down, you could make two to freedoms a month.

Yeah, no excuse not to make a sequel is all I'm going to say. I would buy a Blu-ray. I buy a 4K. As long as the Blu-ray has subtitles. If it doesn't have subtitles, I will not buy a right yeah yeah great film it was a real one of the best blind buys blind watches yeah yeah it could have gone it could have gone wrong but i'm glad it worked out it went it went perfect we finally got a bit of to freedom in our lives yeah finally finally you know way more entertaining than sound of freedom so oh much more oh much more oh Christ. Whoever uploaded that tortilla with the title Sound of Freedom,

although perhaps malicious in intent, was actually a very nice thing to do. It probably saved a lot of people. It's probably a better movie night for most people than if they had actually downloaded Sound of Freedom. And some of the letterbox reviews confirm this. At the very least, it exposed us to it. Yes.

Yeah, at the very least, we can thank them for that. It probably is the most exposure of the film we'll ever get. Yes. All right, question time. Okay, let's do some questions from the Sardonicast community. I've got to shake that freedom from at my mouth. If you want to leave your own questions for future episodes, head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit

just like At Ahtonar said Careful Who composed Yeah Who composed the Sardonicas jingle If it was one of you

What was the mindset you had when composing it What is your overall thought process When composing music? If you look in the description of most episode I think it gives away the answer to this Mm-hmm I think Adam you can you can answer the creative process behind that one.

I did it. Yeah, I do music. I would love to, you know, get some... I'm in that position where I'm like, okay, I want to record more, but I need to get like an actual producer or something to help me with, like, the mixing and stuff. And just, like, you have, like, a professional voice on it. Because, you know, I feel like... like my strength is composing, just writing it.

Yeah. And like, you know, having a vision for how I want it to sound. But in terms of the actual like practicality, I would love to just, yeah, I would love to be in like a professional environment for that. So I'm still trying to figure that out. When it came to the jingle, I think it took like a few hours of just like me fucking around. It's playing. And I wanted something that was not overly serious, not overly long. And I guess in my head I also had kind of like a, I don't remember if I had an idea of like the images showing up on the beat when I was composing it.

I think I probably did from memory. I'm like, bam, bam, bam. Yeah, just a nice little jingle that is. Damn. See, this is exactly my problem with music. that I'm really good at having a feeling and conveying that through music, but I'm not great at describing that from like any sense of proper terminology. Like verbally, yeah.

My language is in the music itself. And so in my head, I've got an exact idea of like the type of emotion that I was aiming for, but it's really difficult to say it in words because to me the language is the music itself. And I communicated it through the music, but it's difficult for me not, it's difficult for me to, I don't have the vocabulary for it. I think, yeah, I think for it speaks for itself in that sense. And yeah, I don't think you even really need the words to, you can just listen. I think it communicates the ideas you're trying to communicate, kind of whimsy with the sardonic under terms. it comes across.

Yeah. I got a piano next to me right now. Yeah. It's the C-sharp that really adds a lot of the character to it, I think. Because it almost, like, the root note enforces this almost kind of like, in the first few seconds, you almost kind of feel like it's like mildly sinister, but like in a playful way still. Yeah, playfully.

Like kind of like a 70s cheese villain or something. Like we were just talking about like Ralph Berkshey or something. Vodville kind of, yeah. I feel that way about the last note as well. It kind of throws you off right at the end. Doodoo do. Do you do. Yeah.

Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Nice. Let's do this one from Joe R.C. How do you feel about yellow paint in video games? The whole discourse around this is that the yellow paint in video games shows you what's obviously interactable and it's talking down to you. While the other side says it helps differentiate from all the visual clutter in the scene. Now, do you know anything about this kind of ongoing argument?

Yeah. It's been happening in the video game space. I don't know who started it if it was Noddy Dog with Uncharted. because that was they might have popularized it yeah because I remember like enslaved Odyssey to the West and all these kind of games

all following similar kind of design trends and patterns that it's just that kind of you know over the shoulder third person action trope is how you funnel people through environments is yeah yeah

the vines an off green or you have the paint which is what the question was getting at they're like yellow paint on the cliff edges to indicate stuff you can climb on. Yeah. Well, in the uncharted games, like a lot of the time it's not so egregious. Like, sure, the yellow paint exists in some environments.

But, you know, uncharted too, it's like, okay, you can see like the shading of like the different type of snow, basically. So I think that having some sort of indication in the environment, like a slight color palette change on some of the edges or something really helps because, you know, if,

in a game that's linear anyway, the least fun thing to do in one of those games is try to figure out where to go next. So if it's linear anyway, then sure, there probably should be some strong indication of where you're supposed to go. Because I just don't want to be

fucking around trying to you know going in circles like where am I supposed to go yeah yeah because sometimes it's not obvious for me so I don't yeah it I definitely understand why it needs to be there I just only think it becomes a problem when the the focus testing is so blatant that the game is like

not even willing to give you a chance to like explore like Sony are getting worse and worse for this I don't know if you've ever tried these um these horizon zero dawn games but they are particularly bad for it the last one that came out a couple years ago that has this this kind of problem where like the second you get into a puzzle room or something within 10 seconds the character is like hey that thing up there looks interactable we should go touch that yeah oh you think you know and it's like constant especially when you're like already doing it and yeah yeah the the the

The second God of War was really bad for that as well. Just the hand-holdy, like, man, like, at least try and obscure this a little bit. Like, try and hide this a little bit, so I'm not thinking about it as much. Yeah. Well, yeah, just in that first God of War, I thought it was more acceptable and was kind of built into the narrative a little bit more with the spoilers. Spoilers for God of War I guess. God of War remake 2018, or whatever we call it. there was the like symbols by anything you'd climb and it was like explained that it was messages left by your wife or whatever and so there was some kind of some reasoning for it to be there and as you say it was a lot more linear

god war was not really about the the climbing and traversal to me so it doesn't really bug me there whereas yeah it is way more distracting in a horizon or don't know. Yeah. It's just something where it's not dietic to the environment. It's like, come on. This is just too obvious. Like, I want to feel like there's at least an environment I'm coming to. Yeah.

I'm traversing. There is a delicate balance to strike where you don't want it to feel condescending. I feel like naughty dog struck that balance pretty well with the uncharted games in terms of, you know, just figuring out where to go in the cliff edges and just like it seemed, you know, not every environment, but a lot of them it was relatively subtle, but still clear. Subtle but clear. It wasn't

they didn't have characters shouting it at you throughout the entire thing. Yeah. Some sections, if you pressed the help button then you could get that in like a puzzle maybe. And the reason the reason devs feel compelled to do it is because, yeah,

people will get stuck and in testing, there'll be like someone who gets stuck in the same corner for like five hours. It's like, man, we could just avoid this if we put a bit of paint on the wall or something. Like, I remember a funny story

about the original dead space where, you know, the whole conceit is like, you've got to shoot the limbs. Pointless aiming for the head, like, you've got to go for the limbs. Yeah. But people in QA just weren't picking up that that was like the core mechanic of everything.

So they wound up in the environment just writing everywhere in blood, shoot the limits like in huge writing everywhere everywhere so people understand and actually get get it through the thick skulls that that's like a core mechanic of the game and it's like yeah a delicate balance of like when does it become condescending and how much is actually essential to get your product like out the door and yeah broadly successful i wasn't off put by that in dead space per se because i feel like you know it adds to the character of the universe to have people like writing messages yeah it's part of the whole of the set of and like uh you know it's almost like a trope you know 28 days later there are people writing things on the walls like the end is fucking yeah and stuff like that so to have one of those things in the environment be helpful to how you play the game i don't see a big issue with but i'm wondering what the alternative would have been in that game

to something like that like i would rather have that than like a fucking Cortana type character telling you or like, you know, lecturing you. Literally just saying like as a blatant tutorial or something. Yeah. I think especially once we've left the, once games left like the 2D perspective, like we'll get into the 3D space, it's just, it's just so much, so many complicated mechanics you can establish.

that teaching them naturally is something of just so many games struggle with, you know? Loads of Nintendo games do it. They have these slow-ass beginnings, just setting up mechanics, just in a super plodding way. Like, yeah, loads of games do it because it is really difficult to communicate all these concepts to, yeah, people all around the world.

Yeah. Because beyond language, it goes beyond, yeah, it's just like pure visual communication. I wonder whether what they consider to be like a success rate for the QA testing. Because like, I think no matter how blatant you make something, there's always going to be some people that either have a brain fart or just can't figure it out. Remember the cup head, the infamous cuphead tutorial? Oh, notorious.

Yeah. Was that game spot or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, really embarrassing. but yeah it does happen can happen yeah there's a there's a balance to strike

and uh different games require different contexts so and yeah you definitely notice it when it goes out of bounds into a into that condescending territory yeah where it feels like was this a baby game

I think I'm a baby over here um yeah um How about this one? From Shadow Conspiracy. What movie scenes on rewatch still gives y'all goosebumps today? And what non-kids movie did you love when you were younger but now cringe at?

Keep up all the good work, boys. I happened to have, it wasn't this last weekend, but the weekend before. I had a very eclectic day of watching a re-watched Come and See. then I watched G-Force. Yeah. Then I watched the zone of interest. Why? Um,

uh, and yeah, obviously G-force is the most, no, joke, uh, come as he had the, the,

gives me, there are multiple moments in that movie that give me like a spine chilling, uh, sense of goosebumps. but there's a particular scene where the boy revisits his family home and just the way without any dialogue the visuals enforce the horror he's been placed in is extremely effective and yeah almost makes me feel ill like in an effective way with how powerful just the secretive of images is in that film. Yeah, that's a good one.

Yeah, honestly, like any movie I give a 10. It's something that, like, upon repeated viewings, I'm still able to feel things from, like, no matter how many times I watch Kill Bill, there's always so many, like, satisfying or emotional sequences in that. Yeah, I mean, like, it's, the list isn't short, I would say. Like, no country for old men. Like still the sequence, it has a lot to do with just how things are presented and the flow of the editing and the sound design and the, how it's shot.

Yeah, lots of Kern Brothers scenes actually do that where they're in. It demands your attention. Mm-hmm. Well, like, yeah, crescendo to a certain piece of dialogue or a memorable moment or something clever. comes back on itself, yeah. I'm trying to think of non-kids movies that I watched when I was young.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of that. No, because there would probably be some like when I was 13, like, you know, I just, I just, there's a lot of movies that I would just watch that I watched fairly uncritically. Yeah, that's just kind of what you do at that age. Like, I'm thinking like,

probably like the Tim Burton Batman or something like that. I haven't seen that probably since, I was a kid. I'm sure there would be some funny age stuff in that now. Damn, there's one that's in my mind and I can't remember what the fuck it's called or what, like there's just, I'm getting like these weird tiny flashbacks, these tiny little snapshots of things that I watched when I was younger. Fuck, what was it called? Ooh, I think LL Cool J was in it. I'm just going to look through his

filmography real quick. I think of shit like Titan A.E. It was still, I think, supposed to be a kid's movie, but like just slightly more adult, you know. I've got some real cringe stuff now. Yeah, there was a

movie called Mind Hunters from 2004 that I definitely watched more than once when I was a kid, but like, you know, I think even like only a couple years later I rewatched it and was like, yeah, this is not great. There's like, fucking...

Oh, this... You just reminded me of one... Oh, go for it. Gothica from 2003. Oh, you watched it? I don't even remember if I watched it. I think I might have caught a bit of it on TV or something. Yeah.

Like, I thought it was like the most intense thing I'd ever seen when I was like nine years old. That was a weird one that they just hit me, I guess, at the right time. Which I'm sure is hilarious now. It's another one I probably haven't seen. A couple decades. Yeah, I would love to watch that. Yeah, 28 weeks later, I watched pretty uncritically, and that one aged like milk. Yeah, that's a good one.

But I don't know if any of these are ones that I, like, really connected with. I kind of just, like, watched them, and then it ended, and then I didn't think much about them. Uh-huh. Like, I didn't go, like, hell yeah. I just kind of didn't realize what it meant for a movie to be bad. or for my experience not to be as impactful as a good movie could be those fucking mind hunters

yeah I think I did enjoy mind hunters when I was younger I'm remembering parts about it it was so dumb I don't know that that's crazy that I even remembered that that existed yes in terms of the questions they just make you whip out a deep pool mm-hmm LL cool J the coolest

of two L's. Deep blue C, I'd imagine if I rewatched that, it would be much more lame. But I liked that a lot. Oh, deep blue C, that's a good pick. Yeah, that was one I had my rotation when I was younger. Yeah. Just that one shot of Sam Jackson. It didn't matter if the rest of the movie was dumb.

Because that was just the best, most unexpected. I have a flashback. We had a, um, We had like a really tiny like, I guess tube TV or CRT TV. I don't know what to call it, but it was like an old television. And I think it had a VHS player

built into the bottom of it. Yeah, one of this. And it was small enough to fit like kind of, it was so small that it fit in between, like on the, you know, in a vehicle between the two front seats, there's like this little thing that,

you know, sometimes could open up and you can like put change in it or something. We put that there. And then my brother and I would be like in the back of the van or whatever and like go to the cabin. We'd watch a movie on the way like headphones or something. And I have this distinct memory of we were like I guess we picked up my granny and pretty much as soon as she got into the vehicle and then just looked at the TV, the Sam Jackson thing happened. She was like, oh!

She was disturbing. by it and I found that very amusing. Oh man yeah, all the memories of flooding back now there's a... Deep Blue Sea. Capo tube ray shark movies. Yeah.

Yeah, it was a lot of like outside of the kids movies I was only really interested in stuff like Deep Blue Sea and American Whelve in London and like horror stuff really. Yeah. Yeah, looking for that kind of experience. It is a very,

child turning into adult but not quite genre you're just like you're testing what you can yeah what you can take yeah what dude the shark bro epic

that kind of epic true epic the meg epic Meg epic that's what they should call the third one Meg epic Meg epic Meg epic Oh man, should we

Do one more? All right, one more. Let's end on this one from Real Big Dog 2. Are you more forgiving to a bad movie or a bad game? Movie, probably.

What a movie is asking of you is a lot lower than what a game is asking. Like a game like Ride to Hell Retribution compared to a movie like Waterworld. Like, I don't know, I'd rather just watch Waterworld probably.

Where it's like, games are long too. You know, like I even tried with Life is Strange, which was like, that was getting, that was a good balance for me where I was finding it funny and was like having a good time, like laughing at the dialogue and stuff.

But then I got, you hell, I saved my life. But then I like, I got to some, gameplay moment was like, find five bottles. And I was like, no, this sucks. I can't be doing this. It's like a movie's not going to stop.

Did you get through that part in fucking the new Spider-Man though? Which one? Cleaning your house? Oh yeah, but that was like that was like the Last of Us. So it was fire. Yeah, they think they're naughty dog. I'm almost finished that game.

Oh, have you? Yeah. Wow. I'm like, I'm close to the end. Damn, yeah. I'm surprised. That does surprise me. They're doing like a couple hours every two weeks. Wow. Yeah, it's quite a step down with the story, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. That's a weird question because I don't know if I give anything any extra or lesser credit because of the medium. I think it's just you judge pieces of art with, in the context of that medium. So, you know, if a game's really bad, you have to look at what kind of resources they had in the same way that you would a film, right? Like, it's so much more embarrassing and sad when you have a blueprint of how the story works.

Let's say you're doing the old boy remake, right? And you have millions of dollars, and like professionals working with you and it still like turns out to be a piece of shit or like the last airbender right like it's worse in that sense than if like you were creating like a new ambitious story that had never been seen before and you're trying to do like blah blah

blah like there's excuses you can give anything whether it be a movie or a game just based on what they had to work with or what they should have reasonably been able to accomplish you know, I look at something like Madam Webb. I'm like, there's a lot of shit in there

where someone trying to make a bad movie couldn't do that. It's like almost impressive. Yeah. But like Madam Webb is funnier to me than like, more interesting to me than like an asset flip that's on like PSN. What was it called?

Like Life of Black Tiger or whatever. Something like that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, some of those bottom of the barrel bad games are just unplayable. Like, you can't get through them. Yeah. Yeah.

Whereas, like, even the worst films I've ever seen, like, it's asking so little of me. Yeah. You know, I don't, I can get to the, I can at least get to the end. Where's, there are many bad games I could not get to the end of. Like, literally, like, hunt down the fremen. Yeah. You can't You can't even beat it without

Like hacking the game Like you're literally Like you're locked It's literally unbeatable You know there's like a task force Like desperately trying to fix that game still Oh Like I check in every night again

It's still gone It's like this discord It's like trying to repair it Yeah Get emails now and again Yeah, it's like hilarious. That's great. Someone gifted me

a few years ago. I still haven't even played that one. I'll have to do that at some point. Maybe you can finish it now. Yeah. Yeah, I guess bad movies are more fun than bad games. Yeah, that's right.

Although Ride to Hell Retribution was hilarious. Yeah, but I got more enjoyment watching other people talk about it than actually sitting down and playing it myself. It's one of those things where it's like if you're making content out of it, it's a little better. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah. All right, I guess that's it for questions. Damn. Yeah, I think we did it. And it's time for you to recommend a film. Yeah, it's time for me to recommend a film. And I've picked something,

I don't think either of us have seen, The filmmaker that I've honestly tried to avoid. But I think this could make an interesting conversation. I want to talk about 2001 film Mulan Rouge by Baz Luhrmann. All right. Yeah. All right. Is that like that's his good one, right?

It's his highest rated best reviewed one. I think the only other film, I've seen his Romeo and Juliet. And I think I saw the great Gatsby, but outside of that, no. Oh, no. We'll see how this goes. All right. Spelled M-O-U-L-I-N space R-O-U-G-E exclamation point, if anybody's trying to find this. From 2001, Nicole Kidman, Ewan McGregor, directed by Baz Luhrmann.

Ew. If you don't want to be spoiled for Mulan Rouge, how do you even, it doesn't seem like it would be pronounced Mulan. I'll have to look that up. Mulin? Yeah, Mulin Rouge.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I got no clue. We'll figure it out. If you don't want to be spoiled for that, watch it before the next episode. These episodes come out every two weeks. You can listen to them early by going to sardonicast.com. Sign up for premium.

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To freedom. Well, dune out. Happy freedom, everybody. Happy dune. Happy spice. Spice up your life. People of the world. Spice up your life. Everybody and every girl. Spice up your life. Happy the tooth. Remember the tooth. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.