Sardonicast - Sardonicast 166: Furiosa, Ed Wood (feat Dan Xmas)

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

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Three, two, one. No one's going to scum us anymore. Huh? Yeah? Yeah? Remember that one? I don't know. Oh man.

Nice. Yeah. I'm just going to have to straight back to you, Adam, because I don't know how to intro this. I'm Adam. This is Sardana cast. I am Adam from your movie sex. And who was just talking right now? And I'm Alex from I, G.

You know, we have a guest on. on today. What the fuck? Special guest Dan over here. Hey guys. Hello. Yeah. Who the hell are you? Yeah. Who are you?

Hey man. Hey guys, I'm Dan. I've done some animations on the channel and generally just lurk around on YouTube. But yeah, big fan of you guys. I want to talk about a movie. Yeah, lurk is a good way of putting it. Yeah. Man, because it's like I feel like I've known your presence for like a really long time.

And you've got to correct me on this if I'm wrong. We were just talking about this before we started recording. You keep some of your stuff on the down low, and I'm like, trying to look for a portfolio or something. But I have this really, really ancient memory of when I used to regularly frequent deviant art, finding something I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure as a fine animation you did. Would that have been right? I like, no way. No, I don't think that's me.

I literally never put anything on devian arts. Now I'm curious what. Somebody re-apploaded maybe. Because it was your exact art style. It was like, I'm pretty sure it was like an animation. of like a clip from a John Tron video or something. Oh, well, no, well, no, there was a long time ago. I made like a, this is when John Tron was on Game Groms.

I was like one of the first animations I did. I put that on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, it was like a fan. Yeah, yeah, but I've never put anything on TV Narts. So, hey. Oh, weird. So I would have seen someone re-uploading your animation. Hell yeah.

That's such a strange introduction. That's my policy is if I'm not going to be the one to put it on their salute. Whoever wants to put that feature it anywhere, I don't care. That's hilarious. So everybody can make, like, Blu-rays of your animations is what you think. I don't give a shit. This is a very, this is a not profitable business venture I've gotten this stuff into. So that's wild, though.

That's a very ancient memory. Well, yeah. Well, so do you have, like, a broader portfolio where you can, like, find, or is that, like, intentional where you're, like, trying to hide it? Because you got your Twitter account, you got your YouTube account with some videos on there. Are you banksy? I'm kind of a low-key banksy. I mean, so I guess I could give a little bit of a bio about myself.

Basically, I love, in the early days of YouTube, I just loved making sketches with my friends. And like, I was in a sketch group for a while. And that was tight. And then I just kind of got into more like animation. Like I started uploading things just to my own personal account. And then, yeah, I have an Instagram where I do post like art. But like I, the last thing I made was that little five minute. piracy animation I do for you guys.

I took a little break from animation, but I'm getting back into Blender, so that Instagram will kind of be a portfolio. I have an art station, which is for like 2D stuff that I've made as well, but I like, as far as what my job job is, I work at Nickelodeon as a production assistant. And I, yeah, I love working in animation, but like as far as making art, like, I kind of just make stuff for myself. And I don't, I don't really promote myself as an artist, but I do, I guess, but I, definition make art yeah I've got a lot of friends who are animators but I guess being a furry

that winds up happening yeah you did some really cool stuff for the my gaming channel back in the day too yeah that's how we met yeah I remember being caught off guard when I saw some like rotoscoping they're like that's pretty cool the basketball shot yeah thank you yeah very inspired by mark him from sick animation yeah I love his stuff and yeah yeah I love his stuff and yeah No, man, let me, when I made that short, I was just like, I really wanted to animate a segment. And I, like, pulled an all-nighter just to get to the finish line. And as I was driving, I think you reached out to me on Twitter and said, hey, can I feature this? And that, like, man, that was the coolest shit ever.

I really wasn't expecting that. And that's how I guess I ended up here is like we've kind of just kept in touch. And every once in a while when I have an animation, I, you've, you're a great person to just kind of like put it on the channel and, like, give me your notes. and I like the little working relationship we got. Oh, great. Yeah, it's always really cool stuff. And I like that you've changed your style up too and tried experimenting. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to get stagnant.

I like trying new stuff. Yeah, I love that stuff. The 3D kind of like almost like a claymation style, but not quite. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, trying to get better at that. I think I like started in Maya on one of those shorts. So now I like, I'm a blender boy. Like I love blender and I like learned a lot of stuff while making that piracy short. And that's the longest thing I've ever worked on.

And now I'm like in the process of I got like some gum row tutorials and I'm like hitting the books again. So I'm like really excited to be cooking. I was going to ask about like the level of training or self-taught like research or way you've got this backbone. Because the first time I saw your like 2D animation in particular, I was like struck by how smooth. there is how clean that line work is. It's always been very professional from what I've seen. Oh, thank you. I guess you're too much, but like, what's your secret, man?

How much work is that paying off? Well, the secret is that I'm not a, there's artists thinking just lay down lines and like, you know, it looks great right away. I'm the kind of dude that like, and I really, I love drawing 2D like animations. I can't do it anymore. Like, I'll do it for little small things, but I obsess. over like, you know, little teeny tiny pixels not going exactly the way I want, which is fine for little things I make.

I'm like, yeah. And like so like, God, stuff takes way too long. But yeah, as far as like education goes, I learned Flash. I don't know if you guys know Harry Partridge, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's amazing legend. He made this little tutorial series about how to make animation and Flash. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that same one. Yeah. Who ha to, how to. how to, I would highly recommend. I don't know how outdated it is because I think he's using like

Flash CS5 and that doesn't exist, but you know, there's ways to find that. But anyway, yeah, like that's where I started. And then I actually enrolled, I wasn't an animation guy at all. I was like a post dude. And then once I started meeting people in like the animation industry that were moving on, I was like, oh shit, this is what I want to do. So I reenrolled in like art school and got some internships and learn some really cool stuff in the 3D. that's where I never wanted to make 3D animation honest like it just wasn't really fun for me but now all this cool stuff is coming out where it doesn't look as like uh I don't know bland like you can really get some cool stuff out of 3D and really powerful yeah super efficient

for getting work done which for me is like hell yeah like take the load off like I don't want to obsess over lines they really don't want to do that so it's great and uh so a little bit of self-taught and also some actual proper education what's your favorite animation like it could be like like what's what's because I when I think like

crazy good animation some of it you know is like on YouTube like Jamie R is really incredible oh legend yeah I don't know how he does his shit

it seems like I don't either man it seems like a superpower a machine yeah as far as like I love I watch probably more live action films than animated films, but like, man, every once in a while, like, there's a really good animated film called Son of the White Mirror that I like. Red Lion would also be like a film that I'm like story wise, this is like kind of just nonsense, but like visually it's one of the coolest looking things ever.

And I'm also being opening scene. Yeah, I love like, you know, YouTube like cursed animations, just like ones that you pull up to show your, like the Dilbert series. Like I don't know if you guys have seen like Dilbert 2 or Dilbert 3, but like that is God What the fact? What are you even talking about? You never heard of Dilbert 2? I know what Dilbert is, but you're saying Dilbert 2 and that's clearly not like a... Oh wait a minute.

By Mr. Epic. Holy shit, I wish we could do like a re-well, I'm sure you guys will watch it on your own. It's this guy called C-Boy R.D made these incredible animations and it looks like he makes them in like Windows like MS paint but like the tab open right now it's something I'm just scrolling through it now what the f oh it's it oh I'll look at this later oh man oh you're I mean you're probably listening to it with like there's no sound either you're not listening to it's you have to listen it with like the music that it uses yeah I'll I'll watch it later for sure oh yeah yeah yeah that's like you know enjoy that that is like one of my favorite and pieces of and

yeah like I like that stuff like really I don't even want to say it's crude like I love um visceral sort of animation like that. So a little bit of everything, stop motion too. Yeah, I've always enjoyed the online space for animation because, you know, particularly animation, you can just think something and then it appears. You know, you don't have the exact same limitations as live action in terms of being able to do something in a practical sense. You can just have one person creating whatever they want. And as long as they put enough time and effort into it, then it can look incredible. And so animation, has really been the space on the internet

where you found where I was able to find at least for a good period of time a lot of really boundary pushing and like kind of edgy experimental stuff old Newgrounds yeah yeah yes and although now we've come to a point where it's like okay our advertisers is going to be happy and you know we don't have the same rules for YouTubers

as they would for something like South Park for some reason now it seems like a bit more tough to thrive in this space, but at the same time, there's also, you know, people like Jamie R are getting, like, you know, lots of mainstream recognition at this point even. And, you know, we're seeing a lot of independent animation. Well, you forget, like, there was that whole, um, the whole golden era of when the algorithm actually favored the more, like, shorter form, flashy content. Yeah.

So then the whole, all the new grounders, like, they were, they kind of ruled the roost for a time. Yeah. before that change. And like, just fast forwarding to now, all the people they've inspired, be you, me, or, oh, this is such a talented group of people that, you know, the Harry Partridges, the Zach Hedles, moving on smiling friends now.

Exactly. It's a big deal, really. Yeah, yeah, respect to those guys. I love the thing. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. No, go ahead, go ahead, please. I love that they are continuing to feature YouTube people in the show. Yes, yeah.

Oh, it's the best. They're not like, oh, we're beyond that, We're too good for that. Not snooty back, yeah. I think I saw a clip on Twitter. They got the nostalgia critic in an episode. The critic, yes. I'm still, I haven't watched it yet, but.

Yeah, I haven't watched the episode, but that, like, but it's great. And respect to Doug for even doing that. Like, he's, that's so cool. Like, I love the cameos they've been pulling from that show. Yo, Zach, if you're listening, Zach, hit up Alex. He's a talented voice actor who is in Hunt, Dan, the Freeman. And I think it would fit. Supporting and hunt down the Freeman.

I can play Asian dudes any day. What a poll. If you want a good reel, you can just look at, I hate everything, hunt down the Freeman clips. You'll find like a perfect demo reel for Alex. That's my jam. I got the post. I got like a huge poster in my house.

Like a shrine. Pray to it every day. It's your greatest achievement. God. It's. It's really an interesting time to see, like, on one end, the smiling friends is like, you know, if you're on that ship, that's really great. But also there's a lot of YouTubers that are just retiring right now.

Like, I think that's also kind of a weird state of the industry is that, like, live action and animation people that I've followed for years are like, yeah, I'm done. Like, I don't want to do this anymore. And I remember, I used to work in a place called Channel Frederator as like a channel manager. And I'd meet all these, like, animators and artists. And like it just was this cool exciting time. And then almost immediately is when the algorithm changed to like, yeah, favor these cool short animations.

And that was really demoralizing for them, demoralizing for me, because I genuinely was excited for the future. And then once that, it was clear there wasn't much of a future in this career. I was like, oh, man, get out and hopefully, uh, yeah, that's why it's great that like Zach and Michael got like a win. They got something. They made a show that they tried pitching before, um, or Zach and, uh, Chris O'Neill try. getting a show on adult swim and like they just never picked it up and uh it's glad i'm really glad

that smiling friends and uh koala man like came right after that so you know keep at it if you you're trying to get your vision off and things don't really work out just uh you know and also have some good friends have a good network yeah yeah networking is so much like minded artist that goes a long way too yeah it really is you can't you got to know people you can't do it on your own anyone that like it seems like they do everything on their own, they don't. Like, everyone gets a little bit of help and that's okay. That's what you need. You got to have some connections.

Alex, did you have any more questions? I was looking through, I was kind of snooping through your letterboxed, which I'm pretty sure I felt. Oh, hell yeah. Thanks for following me. So I was looking through some of these ratings, especially of some more recent animated stuff that I thought was curious. So you enjoyed mutant mayhem, I see, given that of high school.

Yeah, that was tight. I would recommend that to anybody. I'm not even the biggest Ninja Turtles guy, but... Me neither. I'm right there with you. Yeah. I saw in your review praising those character designs, the asymmetry of them. Yes.

I love that too. It's really, it's so unfortunate that it came out so closely after Spider-Verse 2, which I also really enjoy. But, like, man, like, it doubled down on everything I loved about Spider-Verse. The way they let them cook with the character design, the way things don't look perfect. Because it doesn't need to look perfect. There's an assistance in, like, and... animation to like try or rather like a fear to let things kind of look sloppy and messy. And yeah, again, that's going back to smiling friends.

That's why that show is so like cool is that like they only polish the stuff they absolutely need to. It's it's good that it looks a little messy. Um, people dig that. And, uh, yeah, like the ninja, the humor is good. Um, it's not like, you know, uh, when I heard like Seth Rogan was involved with them, like, huh, how is this going to go? But like, man, they, the kids they got to play the turtles are great. the story's good and it's just like a fun time like I really was surprised how much I would enjoy it so

I would recommend that to anybody yeah I was pleasantly surprised by that and it sounds like you feel like the inverse and that uh anti pristine nature is uh yeah in line with your rating for the the Mary Brose movie to another oh man recent animated hit one the biggest movies the last year and I work in animation so I meet lots of people that like enjoy that film for all number of reasons and they're all valid reasons, but like, I just, I've met also plenty of people like me that were, they felt like we were being talked down to, I guess, while watching the film. It's a very like, you're a dumb baby that just wants to remember Mario. Here's some jingling keys and enjoy that.

Well, you must not have studied the 12 principles of animation if you think that. Clearly not. Oh, man. It also, oh, man, the criticism that I hate, and you've talked, you guys have talked about it in the reviews, but like, the thing I did hear a lot in real life was just, well, what do you expect? It's a Mario movie. And it's like, that's, people really think that's a good excuse for letting, oh, yeah, just be stinky. It's like, well, it's just like, what are you talking about? Like, Mario can't be good? What are you saying? Like, there's plenty of, like, games that adults like, it's not possible.

Yeah, the Lego movie could have been shit too. It decided. Exactly. I cite the Lego movie. They're like, well, accept that. I'm like, what do you mean except that? That's like a pre, like a pristine example of what we should be aiming for for being a it's a commercial for toys great but you know there's they hired competent screenwriters and it wasn't it just uh yeah i don't i don't try to think about the mario movie that often it really came and went and uh yeah i don't know what to expect from these films and made a billion dollars and left yeah didn't get nominated for best animated feature which i was kind of like you know what give that i'm glad like i'm glad robot dreams robot dreams got that slot like i was happy that like something like that got nominated and

the Mario Brothers movie. Well, Alex is a robot dreams hater. I am a robot dreams hater. I liked it. I liked robot dreams. Any hot takes on husband hotel? I saw that rated on there as well. Curious about that one?

I haven't, I think I watched the pilot. I have not watched the show yet. I have the meeting too. I don't have Amazon Prime, but... Okay, yeah. I don't know how to read that show. I just see clips of it. I'm like, I don't know if...

I don't know what this is going for. with like a, they're saying, fuck a lot. It's kind of like, did you ever, um, so you saw Invader Zim,

right? Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever like read any, I think his name's pronounced Yonin Vasquez? I have no idea. Did you ever read any of his like graphic novels or anything?

No. Um, maybe like whack in the day, but. Yeah. So like has been and the, uh, what's the other one called?

The Vivesy's done? The, I kind of see a lot of her works as like kind of channeling that, you know, old kind of like, like teen, teen girl kind of like kind of hot topicy kind of aesthetic. Yeah. And it's kind of nostalgic for me in that way. And I think I think it's good at being what it tries to be. Yeah, it looks competently animated.

I think I think what it's going for is is what it's pulling off. Yeah. Like it just might not connect with. lot of people, but like, you know, I used Tumblr too back in the day. And like that also reminded me of like, oh, this is like some crazy character design I would have seen on Tumblr. And it's amazing that, you know, it's, that it animates. It communicates, you know, so well through animation, just from the pilot I saw. So it's cool that like something like that's getting made. And for adult animation, it doesn't look like shit. So that's nice.

Yeah. Cool. And that happens. That's not a given usually. So respect to her. I do want to watch that series. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. All right. If you didn't have anything else to say, Dan, we could start talking about Furiosa. Let's do it.

All right. So we all saw furry, I mean, Furiosa. And I rewatched Fury Road beforehand, too, because that's been. Oh, you did? Yeah, because it's been fucking nine years. The house been well, huh? Yeah, and I wanted to see if I had the same issues with it or just kind of refresh myself about what it was. And I feel like that was the right decision,

just kind of like getting back into the universe a bit. I didn't really feel compelled to watch through the original three Mad Maxes again. I saw this when I was younger. You don't need to. Yeah, you don't need to. I have a lot of mixed feelings about this new film because I didn't think that Fury Road was a perfect movie.

I enjoyed it. It was fun. And there's a lot I respect about it. but I did have some issues with it. And the things that I did have issues with in Fury Road, I feel like they fixed in this movie. And, you know, every one of my complaints with Fury Road was not a complaint in this film.

However, a lot of the things that Fury Road did well, this kind of disappointed me in some ways. So I have very mixed feelings about this film. I over and all enjoyed it. What did you both? think. You go, Alex. I was pleasantly surprised because I thought, I don't know, from the title Furiosa or Mad Max saga, what are they soloing? Is this like a Star Wars story, like just pointless prequel thing? The advertising wasn't great. The trailers weren't great. I wasn't that excited for

this, but you know, you've got to have faith in George Miller. He's still directing and writing this and he's what, another 10 years older is in his 80s. It's like, oh, I shouldn't have doubted you, man, this is an awesome companion piece to Fury Road. I think it's not, I loved how it wasn't trying to be Fury Road. Yes, yes. Yes. Decidedly not Fury Road. Yeah.

Whereas the Fury Road structure is like the plot and the narrative is the most simple thing ever. It's just like A, B, B, A. And that's like the plot pretty much, which I don't have an issue with. I think I love the simplicity of that film and like how it just grabs all of you and doesn't let go. But I was kind of drawn in with this big. Chris Hemsworth says it towards the end, like epic narrative with like this time jumps and setting up these big conflicts and really delving into the world building. And yeah, scratching a different itch to Fury Road. Yeah.

Chapters and all these different characters and a new villain that gets fully fleshed out. And despite its length, because I looked at it's like two and a half hours long, which I was like, oh, is this going to, am I going to feel this? It's going to drag for me. But nope, it flew by. I was pleasantly surprised all the way through. In fact, my biggest issue was that I think it actually kind of, it peaks too early for me as far as like an action crescendo. I think there's an action set piece that is so incredible to me. It's like a 15 minute long action setpoints, like chapter three, yeah, yeah, right there in the middle, which I thought it was like, you're not going to be able to top that again, are you?

And it wasn't as far as action spectacles concerned, but I kind of want to go back just for that scene alone, let alone. Well, the other good stuff it's doing, I, yeah, I'm kind of still reeling from this. I saw it in IMAX on the biggest screen possible, which I think was the correct choice. I just love how unabashedly Australian this is allowed to be as well. You know, Chris Hensworth doesn't have to hide his accent, everyone is screaming, he's funny. It's crazy. I just love it. Give me more Aussie stuff.

It's so involving. What did you think, Dan? Well, so you say you saw it in IMAX and that's the best way. I saw it in 40X. I don't know if you guys said. Let's go. So not my choice. Why?

Because two of my friends wanted to see it in 40X. Well, I guess for the list of them. Why did they want to see it that way? Because they're sickos. I don't know how those to explain it. Yeah, what's wrong with them? Have they seen a 40X thing before? Was this their...

No, this was their first time doing it. I'd only done it for those... Everybody has to have a first time to see how bad it is. It just chose the wrong movie. Yeah. Okay. So the first time I've ever done this was I'm in a text chain with people. that are obsessed with Sonic the Hedgehog.

And so when like the Sonic movies are coming out, that's the only way they wanted to experience those films. So they took me to 4D for the first one. And then the second one is in different theaters will do different types of 4DX. So the one I went to had like smoke machine under the screen. The seats punch you in the back, air blasts in your ears. Fortunately, that wasn't the case of this one. The seats just moved and there was an option for water getting. sprayed in your face

which even if well so like a character gets shot and then blood you know is erupting out of them and then water hits you and even if you turn the water off on your seat the seats around you in front of you and behind you will still go off

so you're going to get wet no matter it's a two and a half hour theater ride experience all that being said it actually wasn't a terrible a terrible way to experience it I will not recommend it and I don't think this is how we're going to save movie theaters

but yeah I really enjoyed it. I was, I think, kind of like you, Alex, I saw the trailer and I was like, ah, that's a lot of CG. And the thing I loved about Fury Road was like just how, I mean, it's that there's a Freddie Wong video, I think, that talked about like how seamlessly the CG was like used in that film. And with this, it's like, you know what CG and I worried how distracting it would be. I think about five minutes and I realized, oh, yeah, George Miller does just kind of do this sometimes at other films. He loves his computers. And the He uses the camera in ways that's like, okay, this is like an impossible shot.

So it's good that he's using CG. And for the most part, like, it worked for me. There was never any part that felt cheap. There was never any part that felt like artificial. At the very worst, this felt closer to like a Sin City kind of experience where, you know, what you're looking at isn't totally real. But it doesn't matter because the spectacles still there. The production design and this thing's incredible.

The costumes are great. So it's a question of like. like how quickly can you get absorbed in George Miller's, uh, cookee world and I was right there. So I, uh, any issues I have. I,

yeah, as far as the peak goes, um, yeah, Fury Road has a much better finale. Uh, but like, man,

there's still a lot to, uh, chew on in this film. So I can't wait to rewatch it. That's interesting. Uh, spoiler discussion, everyone.

So if you don't want to get spoiled, let's go. Get out of here. Um, I found it fascinating that with Anya Taylor Joy being on the poster, it was like over an hour. through the movie, I was like, is she... Is she showing up? I know.

You're not going to be in it. They're taking her time. Yeah. That was some restraint. I love that choice. Restraint is an interesting word for that. I don't know if restraint. Like, it's an interesting structure.

And honestly, I much preferred the first two chapters with just her being a kid. And the kid was great, honestly. And I felt as though... that in sense in terms of like a dynamic and a character and like watching watching her kind of like suffer in a way and it felt like there was a bit more uh tension and peril and consequence to things happening like i was i was a bit more engaged in what was happening storywise and what the threats in the universe were around her and i love she's more defenseless yeah as a kid it's easier to get behind her than like, you know, Anya who's by that point a badass.

And yeah, so I kind of agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. As soon as she shows up, and this is not Anya's fault, but as soon as she shows up, I was like less invested for sure. To the point where I, you guys seem like you're both going to disagree with me on this, but I was not really into that middle fight sequence, the chapter three. Really?

Yeah. It was kind of like, I get what you're saying with like the Sin City thing. And there's a bunch of the movie. where I do feel like, oh, yeah, this is just, you know, I'm considering it to be stylized. But in terms of like an action set piece, it felt like I was kind of watching a Wachowski movie, and it felt like a lot of these things were just kind of like happening, but I wasn't fully absorbing it. Like, most of what I remember is like that weird little kid who gets shot on the cabbages or whatever. Oh, the internet meme, that kid.

Yeah. Yeah. That's all I really, and it was a long set piece. It was a really long set piece. Yeah, it's 15 minutes long, straight up. Is it 15? Wow. Yeah, yeah.

I was not really absorbing that one. It was just kind of happening in front of me, and I was kind of just like, a little checked out. Really? So I'd loved how, in the setup beforehand, when it was setting up Chris Hemsworth's, like, new villa, villain character. Dementous. I just wasn't expecting them to delve into this whole like faction war type element because Dementus, he's a, he's kind of a conquer, he's going around like a Roman trying to divide and conquer. Yeah. And then when it delves into this, like his group splintering because he's kind of an ineffective leader.

And that's what that whole set piece is based around is one of the splinter groups with these flying contraptions, which I felt was just like such a fun, exciting new, just area to explore with the action in this universe and a way to. show something off that wasn't really involved in Fury Road in the same way and sure it's it's not quite to the same level as far as like the visual fidelity to me but the there's something about this world that that max the madness of the Mad Max Vanilla thing the yeah it just sells that cartoonish cartoonish nature and I don't know this whole like unreliable narrator thing going on with Mad Max and different narrators coming in and towards the end of we're in spoilers when they're talking about you know what actually happened what what actually happened what what is the truth and this

whole thing of like getting really dorky with the old Mel Gibson max and then the difference between Tom Hardy Max and like theories of like is that a different person is it the same person and all this like linking interesting mythic world building that stuff is really selling it for me and I just love to be back in this world yeah like in Fury row all that's kind of in the periphery which is like I think to the movie's benefit because you're not it doesn't you know we don't have time to you know ask

what a smeg is or get into the whole Mexican of how people talk and with this movie like there's a lot of dialogue in this movie and I kind of would like to rewatch it with subtitles because it's like what the fuck did he just say? Like language is just descended into like this sort of gibberish so I I did like that it's just different um Australian

the way the action was pretty yeah it's just regular Australia talk. They're all cuckie over there. They actually just filmed in regular Australia. Yeah, yeah. They ran out of Vegemite and this was the one week where this

was actually happened. We can't drink any more bloody Vegemite. Yeah. Drink it. Wow. Yeah, man, those guys need they need to get it together. None of it was actually scripted. They just filmed people doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, nice. It was improv. It was a documentary. Yeah, I love that shit. Yeah. And I liked how the

approach to action was more of a, uh, it reminded me a little bit more of like an RTS or like a resource management sort of like, like, I don't know, like, um, like factions basically, like the way that like people that like, yeah, people are getting like picked off. It's a very sort of like, uh, excom sort of just, oh, I have my units. I send them in this many people are going to get wiped out, but I got one of theirs and then just the way that, uh, this, the balance to how the units and everyone getting lost you, I felt everything. Um, so that was different. Whereas Inferior Road. I, just want to feel like I'm in the action. I want to feel like I'm there.

So it really was just a, you were more like of an observer than being inside it. So it was just a different flavor. And I purposely did not rewatch Fury Road before this because I did not want to be thinking about it. Really? I think that. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, my roommates were like showing it to some people that hadn't seen it. And I was like, no, thank you. I know I love it. I don't want to be comparing. And, yeah, I don't even know if this is a spoiler. Like the end of the film, they show clips from Fury Road. That was a weird choice. It's so weird because it looks like, did they shoot that on film?

Like it's, it looks really different, like, just on every level compared to this. And it's like, that's a little jarring. And I feel like you're, unless you love Mad Max. And also, there's like, there's like weird frame rate differences. Yeah. They chose to do a lot of Fury Road and like a lower frame rate for a lot of the action. Yeah. Yeah, I don't understand that choice.

They even included that, like, really egregious 3D shot. As I was rewatching Fury Road, there were a couple of, of those where I was like, oh yeah, they released this in 3D. Yeah, that's right. That's kind of odd for them to include that in like the clip show at the end. That's funny that. I love, I kind of love that shot. There's like a-

It's a funny shot, yeah. There's a sense of humor to this world that I feel like is very intentional and just feeds into, yeah, that madness to that cartoonish kind of tone and framing of everything. And there's like, there's a really strong visual humor even. Like, it won't even, it won't stop it to like, Deadpool pointed it and like, look, this is a self-away moment type of thing. It's just like, yeah, a guy on a motorbike crashes. and then it cuts to a short where, like, the character is buried in the sand with his legs poking out in, like, the most humorous-looking way.

I love how his- I was thinking, like, how did they bend the, like, because the normal director would just have the legs laying on the dirt, and George Miller's like, no, no, no, he needs to be, like, look like a loony tune, like Wiley Coyote, just fell off a cliff, and it, uh, yeah, I love that. I'm glad we both found out. Exactly, yeah. And the whole, you can just tell it's just storyboarded to death, like, and plan just so thoroughly. Just the use of the space as far as like the depth and the way it's used, the foreground and the background. There's that awesome shot of Chris Hemsworth. It's kind of standing in the foreground while the rig is getting attacked and it just doesn't cut. It just follows the action real wide. Man, I just love all that kind of action. All these intentional choices, it flows so well.

Yeah, I love the artistry of it. Yeah. What I find interesting is like a lot of people saw the trailer and expected it was going to be shit. I didn't really get that out of the trailer. And I noticed that there were, you know, definitely some shots that appeared more CG. And, you know, the one thing that everybody praises about Fury Road is just the approach to practical effects and things that look more practical, at least, and a lot of

it is done very practically. And I watched the trailer, and I didn't get like, oh, this is going to be shit or like, oh, I'm going to be so disappointed because of the lack of practicality. I was kind of open to it but I just yeah chapter three and four and they're really long

I felt checked out for a lot of it despite you know within these you know CG action set pieces there's still a lot of like really impressive shots and things are still orchestrated and pulled off really well in ways that I'm still able to be impressed despite it being

you know a lot of it CG there's still a lot of it a really great sense of direction and sense of coordination to how these shots are pulled off, and it is still very impressive. But, yeah, I think its strongest parts are first two chapters, which is like the first hour of the film, and then the final chapter, which is like 10 minutes. By the time.

Once after post-war. Yeah. When they faded out right after chapter four, I was like, is there even going to be a chapter five, or is it just going to end on a cliffhanger? because I was like, this feels like it's getting towards, like, this has been a long time. What else is there to do? Yeah. But I really love that last chapter.

I thought that was really strong. So you checked out once the relationship angle started coming in, whereas it's kind of the inverse for me, whereas like that kind of up the stakes for me and got me emotionally invested in a way, in a different way to Fury Road, which I found really interesting. I thought the approach to that relationship with the Praetorian Jack character played by Tom Burke. I was like a surprising character I kind of want to see more of and like the places they take it the way they wrap that character up

with the dogs I don't know the CG on the dogs but that whole scene is like brutal capping it with the hand on the chain it's like this is like unexpected awesome that's what's cool about it is that it is kind of expected it's ticking some of the box like

it's what you'd imagine how how's she gonna lose her arm what the stake's gonna be why she gonna have this problem blah blah blah blah but the way it's trickled out is like this is just the right way to do it this feels kind of like

character led you're not just showing off stars and trying to member bury this to death outside of, you know, the odd thing here and there, like the end sequence we talked about where it just shows off Fury Road for seemingly no reason when it's like, this could easily stand alone without that kind of stuff. Yeah, like I'm supposed to watch Fury Road right after this is I guess the expectation. But I don't know. But I'd want to do that anyway is the thing, you know? Yeah, you didn't need to do that at all. Yeah, yeah. I didn't even really, speaking of celebrities, there's two things I wanted to mention.

one. I didn't realize that was Tom Burke. He's really great in this. Yeah. Really solid actor. I don't know if you all have seen the souvenir. He's really good in that. And I, uh, and Mank also, he's Orson Wells in Mank. And that's another case where when I was watching Mank, I'm like, is that the fucking guy from the souvenir? He's, he's great. And, uh, yeah, Kojima said like, oh, I would actually like this guy to be solid snake if he didn't work really good. So, hey. I saw that. Yeah, he does look at it. Manifesting the. Yeah, true. He looks the part. And, um, he looks at it. Yeah, so that was he was really great how he blended into the role and that wasn't distracting The one thing that was not it's not super distracting because it only happens once am I crazy or did they get Charlie's Theron To do one line where Anya's like back is turned to the camera and it's like yeah they definitely Made her sound really sounded like Charlie's it's so it's either just like performance a dr or something or I don't know it really sounds like her for that one line though not again she well yeah it's not just that one line she barely talks in the movie so like I think most lines she does like she's trying to

emulate that yeah which is a choice I love by the way I don't know if that was her or not but I mean yeah there is a nice seamlessness to at least the audio of the character yeah no for the most part it was just that one shot where she like I think it's where after she cuts her hair I know exactly what shot you're talking about but yeah yeah I know it's you know that's the fact that we know what shot it is it's like I've literally bet they got her in the I would wager she might have just done some ADR for that one line and then they maybe sweetened it and blended it I don't know who knows but that's the only two like celebrity times I was thinking of stars um with Chris how do we feel that Chris Hemsworth's nose I really like that he had a crazy makeup and teeth but like I love it he looked like the bird from the Muppets like it really did not work for me like what his like uh I don't know he just looked like an eagle and it was like is that evil is that evil is it? I wasn't distracted by that or anything. It was just an interesting, like... It didn't look real at any point.

I thought it was fitting, yeah, yeah. I just, I loved his whole, um, his whole costume design in general. Great costume. Starting with that white cloak with that tally bear on it. And then after the, uh, the sky blood scene, staining it red, and then taking it all the way to the end where Furiosa winds up getting it. And by then it's all like stained completely black. Yeah, symbolism.

Like he's... Yeah, that's great visual storytelling. He was idealistic in the beginning and then like, compromises on his like you know values to get what he really wants um and yeah or it could resemble furiosa even where you know it's this innocent child that's yeah turned to the grim reaper because of him yeah yeah yeah that worked really well for me um yeah he had great screen presence he was like my favorite performance for sure yeah oh absolutely he almost um yeah i i really hope we get more chris simsworth stuff now that he's kind of not he's not out of marvel jail but like man there was a time

when like he was like it was right after i think he was cast as thor but like people are trying him in other stuff he's in a michael man movie that i like called black hat and like the film flopped horribly but he's really good in it like he has like a lot of range but um he i don't know like people that like him kind of want him to just do one type of movie just action star stuff but i really think like he could he has a lot more you know the creativity and like talent yeah it was nice to play a villain play something different yeah out of the box than him He was very funny. I hope that this kind of kicks that off.

But that character was just so much fun with that kind of historical framing. You know, he's riding around this like chariot bike, ridiculous chariot bike. And then when it gets into these faction wars and he's like attempting this like Trojan horse type takeover of gas town. He's like, I'm not buying. He's a fucking idiot. Which is what causes the splintering, which leaves that other action scene. And just like, just the design of like the gas town location having a moat. of oil around it.

It's ridiculous and like the flame through a turrets and whatnot, but it's like evoking this imagery that does like frame it within a historical context. Yeah, there's like a lot of thought put into this, but it's just not over explaining it and you can put this together without it, you know, just being overbearing. It's just great visual storytelling in the same way,

Fury Road was. Yeah, I guess I want to talk a bit about, so the issues that I had with Fury Road, they're like kind of weird. Go off. Well, so. Do it.

It presents itself as mostly, and I think what most people get out of it is like, oh, it's a fun kind of nonstop action. It doesn't take itself too seriously. It's kind of wacky and zany, you know, guy playing guitar and like, oh, wow, it's crazy what they're all showing. And I love that aspect of it, but it does kind of, it does kind of like separate itself from that at points that I feel don't help it. So, you know, an example is when they go into the dust storm in the first, like, third of the film or whatever. And I looked at that, and I, especially with the sound design, I'm like, man, they really, they had an opportunity to do something really atmospheric here, but it seemed like the, the main priority was the soundtrack at that moment. And the soundtrack wasn't in line with the whole tone of like, ha ha, fun, campy throughout the film. There are moments in the soundtrack in Fury Road

where it gets like a little bit too like emotionally epic or whatever they're trying to do with the soundtrack and I feel that that implication kind of works against what they're showing otherwise and then you know a lot of it is set in that huge tanker truck that is

very loud but then you have characters inside like whispering to each other I'm like well is the truck silent right now and that that happens like so many times throughout Fury Road and then when they try to do a lot of the character moments just because they're not

really fleshed out in that film I find it difficult to care about those character moments where I'm like, okay, I don't give a shit who Max is like even Furiosa in that film like I didn't, like

they were saying things about her character but it was like it was really difficult for me to care but they still had those like attempts at sad emotional moments where it's like okay am I supposed to be caring about this character?

Every single one of those issues is not an issue in Furiosa. Oh, interesting. I don't remember a single point where I was, you know, irritated by the sound mixing or how they recorded a certain scene for characters speaking and, you know, the loudness of noises in the environment around them. And it was so much more atmospheric in terms of what they were able to accomplish with sound design in any given scene. I felt like the serious moments and the attempts it's...

seriousness were so much better orchestrated in this film because we knew more about the characters. We were given much more to care about. And in terms of what might be happening to them, their goals, you know, Furiosa was just so much more interesting and fleshed out. Every single soundtrack choice in this film Furiosa, I found myself completely on board with what it was presenting tone-wise and what it was achieving, like the intent versus what was being shown on the screen. I felt like it was just so much more fluid

and purposeful and much more intentful in terms of those artistic choices. And they never got in the way. Yeah, yeah. Every single one of those issues I had with Fury Road they fixed in this. But it's too long.

It's too long and I was checked out for chapters three and four. Not the entirety of them. And you mentioned that relationship angle. did like that. I did like that angle. I just felt like it was really toastful. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like just what the entirety of how long it took for them to communicate everything after a certain point, especially with her being an adult at that point. And, you know, just I wasn't getting as much out of the story or emotional experience after a certain point. I was just kind of like,

yeah, it's late. I'm tired. You get what you need pretty much like earlier than like, you know, early on and then yeah yeah the second half yeah I got it I got it and I hear what you're saying about the score um I do agree for the most part I do wish though one or two instances where perhaps it did let the score kind of take over with the visuals like there are a couple moments in Fury Road where that does happen and it is extremely satisfying um like the whole crescendo action scene in the in that first movie where everything rises at the same time the music builds up the action builds up they're on the pole swing around it's all like perfectly timed together there's something awesome about that that isn't quite captured in the same way,

but I do agree with the way it's kind of implemented as a bit more dietic. I especially loved the inclusion of didgeridoo's. I would have given more didgeridoo's added to that tone. Yeah, it really gave it like a, I don't know. It makes a stand out. Really? Yeah, yeah. Some, no, I mean, yeah, Fury Road is like, to me, I mean, the moment when, like,

Charlie Sterran, like, drops to her knees and screams. Like, I don't, I'm not, I don't think I'm supposed to have no. emotional. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm not, I don't think I was expected. Have, like, an emotional, like, I'm all so sad. It's just, like, an action movie where something sad happens. It's communicated.

And then I move on right away. Whereas with this, like, the whole film was trying to dig into, like, the interiority, if I'm using that right, like, of the characters. And that takes a little bit more time. So George Miller goes for, the thing when you go through all these films with Mad Max is, like, he hasn't made a consistent type of Mad Max movie ever. Yeah. Like that.

Probably the closest. That's really cool. Yeah, exactly. Like Fury Road and two are like kind of like the closest examples. But even that is like going, Fury Road's way sillier. And so he likes, you know, sometimes he's like, I'm going to make more of a character driven story in this one. All right.

This one's just going to be all spectacle. And then sometimes I don't know what the hell the third movie was going for. But some people like that. Hard to recommend. But it's, it's, one thing that I did walk away from with this film was like, you know what? We don't have a George Lucas anymore. And I feel like movies kind of got a lot less interesting. This has been a great year for like studio popcorn films.

And it's like, man, I feel like George Miller is like really, let's give him, this is his Star Wars. He is such a, he wants to just take us to this crazy world that he's made. It's literally better Star Wars. Which is most things. Yeah. I saw a great comparison of George Miller is how Ridley Scott imagines himself is to alien. George Miller actually is to the Mad Max universe. And I agree.

I love that about it. I love that original movie, how quaint it is, but imagining in your head that all this stuff was in there, buried and was itching to come out. And it's like, fast forward decades later, the technology's caught up.

It's possible. People want to see it. Well, we'll do about that. Maybe a little bit more in a second. But yeah, I love that progression. It's no surprise that Hideo Kojima and him are boys,

like that they like each other, that they both have an appreciation for new technology. And honestly, like, let those two cook. Let them make their crazy stuff. It doesn't look like shit. Like a lot of similar films, like, do that attempt very similar things. So big ups to George Miller. It's got personality.

That's something that's so underrated now. This is George Miller, you know? So $160 million, clearly all to George Miller project, you know? It's got like character, like the villains are like playing with their nipples while they're getting speech. It's like mad, you know? It's great. It's wild that they even let him make this one a particular. Where else are you going to see this kind of movie?

Literally nowhere. Like on the big screen, nowhere. Like nothing else like this. So, yeah, I hope we get a million more George Miller flicks. He's great. Clock's taken. Well, that's part of what is interesting about this is. Yeah.

Yeah, we might. This might be the last one we get with how. It's only been one we can so far, but it ain't doing so on. I'm like, how was your theater as far as density of, It was empty for me when I saw it on a Friday. I saw opening night, IMAG showing. It was like 10 p.m. Thursday. It was like half full.

So it was like less than I was expecting. But, you know. Yeah. I mean, and also the thing needs to be reminded is that Fury Road also had a pretty abysmal opening weekend. I saw that in theaters. And that was like less than half a full audience. Great time.

But, yeah, I'm paying like, I think it'd be $30 for that 40x ticket, man. Was it where that? No, but it was good for the story. I'll never, probably Sonic 3. But half the theater was actually full of people also doing 40X, but like, man, my whole theater was talking the whole time as well, which I don't understand why you spend $30 to do such an excessive, like, you're not even doing it to watch the movie.

I mean, when you're already watching it in fucking 40X, you're doing an amusement part thing a lot of movie time. Yeah, yeah. So I wouldn't expect the audience to be fucking glued into the movie and then that situation. That's true. That happens with IMAX movies too, though. People spend money on time. IMAX to like still talk. It's like, go to the fucking like the dollar theater to do that shit.

I don't know. Whatever. We'll go see Sonic 3 in 40X and there will be a part where they hire someone from the crowd to stand up on stage and have a real conversation with. Sonic as he talks to the actor. You can smell Shadow the Hedgehog. It's going to be great, dude. You can smell his dingus.

Yeah. All right. I thought it was good. And I would like to see it again probably. I just don't know what, I don't know when. Love, love, love so much about it, even though some parts really drag for me. But that opening, sniper sequence. It's just like one of the best things I've seen it a while, honestly.

Loved it. Yeah, it was wonderful. Giving this one a high six out of ten. It's not quite a seven for me. But I did enjoy a lot about it. One thing I couldn't escape from my mind while watching this was thinking about Rebel Moon of all things, part one and part two. And the reason that was because you add up that runtime of Rebel Moon, one and two,

and you have about four and a half hours, which is the same. is combining Fury Road and this movie and look at how rich that is, you know? Look at what there is to like look through how much enjoyment, these action scenes, you remember these characters, you remember this world, you remember and want to exist in. That's how you do it. I love the, I love how different they are. I was not expecting that. I'm, I'm tempted to go and see this again on the big screen while it's there,

while I can enjoy it. Just same for that middle action scenes. I thought that was incredible. I'm not surprised really. not performing maybe as they anticipated. I'd call them stupid if they were anticipating this big billion dollar thingy. Like you

it's a Mad Max movie without Mad Max in it. There's no Tom Hardy, no Charlie Soron. Chris Hemsworth is not the big pull outside of Marvel that maybe people think he is. And as much as I like Taylor Joy, I don't think she's really the butts and seats kind of actor. So it's not really that surprising, but I don't really care about that.

I got the movie out of it, so I'm happy. But yeah, it made the most of it while it's there because this might be our last one on the big screen if it doesn't perform. But yeah, love this. This is a high four-star or eight out of ten for me. I can't wait to see this again. See what I missed. Yeah, also can't wait to re-watch this again.

Didn't blow me away the way the Fury Road did, but that's okay because again, these movies are kind of, you know, they're inconsistent in the best way possible, but I still had a great time. This is definitely a fun movie to see on the big screen. If you can see anything this year, it was really a breath of fresh air, so I'm giving it a 7 out of 10. Nice.

6.7.8, nice. Hell, yeah. All right, we had a film recommendation. Dan, would you like to introduce it since you recommended it? Sure. Yeah, so we're going to be talking about the Tim Burton movie, Ed Wood. It's a near and dear film to my heart. I discovered this film around like high school and college.

I don't know if either you guys remember James Rolf for The Angry Video Game Nerd. But he would make these videos where he'd talk about movies he loved. And he would always bring up Ed Wood. And it just seemed like the movie that like I'm making stuff at this time. I'm kind of like discovering my own sort of style. And this is a film that if you're just getting into making art or making anything really, I highly recommend it because it is just a, it's just such an endearing story about a character that I think a lot of people can connect with. It covers a lot of different things, but it's also a very simple film.

And yeah, I love showing it to people. And I'm always surprised when people that love Tim Burton movies haven't even heard of this one because I think it like scratches a lot of the same itches that, you know, like people that like old Tim Burton and stuff like. But yeah, I'm curious what you guys thought of it. I got to say, you kind of made me sad with this one. You made me sad because you maybe reconnect with an old love of mine. Tim Burton, he was a big deal to me growing up. It's one of the first like filmmakers I really fell in love with in the 90s. You know, it was his hands, all this early stuff.

I missed Edward though and it's always been on the watch list. So watching this was kind of bittersweet of like, oh, this is that Timberton. and I fell on love with this right here. And then making me relive the last 20 years of his movies. We're never going back. Yeah, we're never going back to this. It's never going to be this good. But at least this is out there.

No, I get that. Yeah, was it was a really nice kind of surprise, a more sophisticated kind of better version of something like the disaster artist, I thought. Yes. Yeah. What did you think, Adam? About you, Adam? Yeah, I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it. It's, uh, I'm not, I've kind of missed a lot of Tim Burton's earlier works, like his earlier catalog. Like I've seen a bunch of his films, but I haven't seen Edward Cisorhands or I've seen bits of it. Oh, really? Didn't see Burton Batman. Didn't see Beetlejuice. So this had a sense of familiarity to me still, but it wasn't like so nostalgic in terms of like revisiting something that I was like super familiar with.

I do I do really like Johnny Depp as like a character actor. I think that he does a really great job in terms of like differentiating his characters. I love what he's doing with his teeth. Yeah, great range. He disappears. Yeah. Yeah, you can tell you like really cares about transforming into a character. I like the lighting.

It had a great lighting throughout. Yeah, the black and white shadow stuff is a good choice. The black and white is so good. Like, this is just such a great-looking movie. Yeah. And it was honestly a lot more faithful towards recreating its visual style than I was expecting when it was doing the Ed Wood film, I guess, parodies or recreations. A lot of it, you know, I literally watched Plan 9 that same day.

I was like, oh, wow, this is actually pretty accurate for the most part. and I love that they put that effort Have we all seen Plan 9? Yeah Have you? Yeah That might have been the second time I'd watched it But I couldn't tell you if I actually

Watched it in full before Because it's just so boring There's so boring There's nothing that's well about it Nothing happens like how did anyone How did this become a cult film? Like it's not even so good, it's bad It's like no this is just bad

It's so boring The only value it has is the enrichment That this movie gives it Adds to it Yeah absolutely It gives it like a, oh, there's that scene from the movie. Oh, I know why he's holding his arm over his face for the whole time. That's, like, funny in retrospect.

But, like, the film in a vacuum is like unwatchable garbage. Yeah. Yeah, this movie made me want to check out Glenn or Glenda. It seems like it. I do want to watch that. That did look more interesting. Yeah, I just added that to my watch. That's the only one of his films I do want to see.

Yeah. That was kind of what I loved about it was like the commentary of that autistic process, especially within the strict confines of Hollywood and how it can start off as something pure and like a story that needs to be told that has a personal touch or something honest and then through the process of getting it made like what has to be sacrificed in order to get that done and his whole philosophy edwards philosophy is kind of well get it made no matter the the cost of what i have to sacrifice he'll take money from anywhere he will change anything in the script who change actors last minute in order to get it made and the humor that

comes from that as well as another big point that i loved yeah his idealism just like gets eroded over time. Like the one thing, I've rewatched this a bunch, but the one thing I wrote down in my notes is that he wants to be a storyteller. That's the thing he wants to do. He wants to do his plays. He wants to do his movies. But he's not good at communicating his ideas to most people, which is kind of a fundamental thing of being an artist. Like if you're trying to find success. Yeah. If you're going to be a director and the solo writer, like, you kind of have to like be good at that. And he's just not. And like, what he learns is like actually what his actual talent is, is just telling stories in real life.

Like he's just a bullshit artist. He ends up finding out like, oh yeah, and like, I'm actually really good at lying to people about what this movie is and like telling them what they need to hear to get it done. And like, that's actually like,

you know, in the frame of this film. Like, that's what is real, he's actually good at. Yeah. I, uh,

I found it interesting the approach to filmmaking. Because it's, it's something that does kind of try to be. shot in like a period piece style way, like an old authentic black and white film. And they even kind of incorporate the performances in that way where, you know, the cadence of the acting and the way that voices are projected does feel kind of like a little bit theatrical. But it works well for the style. And I wasn't anticipating it to work that well.

but it does it does bring a level of interesting consistency to it I thought that Bella Legosi Martin Landau was great amazing really good casting and he had the best screen presence in the movie like he was always really fun to watch yeah that was the emotional heart to me the relationship between Edward and him was it was something bittersweet there there was something kind of sad about it but uplifting too it was quite a complicated little dynamic they had going on. Yeah. And the real life element and the prosthetics to make him look more like him.

It's a lot of care in detail. I don't even notice the prosthetics. See, like that, man, it's so seamless how they implemented it. Well, yeah, it was Oscar winning, right? Yeah, yeah, really good. Yeah, the fact that you don't even notice it says a lot. I'll say to the detriment of the film, like, I like the final act of this film, but once Martin Landau leaves, you're like, well, there goes.

You feel it, yeah. It's like, damn, I don't even give his, shit about plan nine from outer space anymore. I just kind of want the movie to... Hero. Hero. But otherwise, like, I think, yeah, overall, the film sticks the landing. And, yeah, it's just such a...

I'm glad the time period was communicated well to you guys, like that you felt like you could actually get absorbed. Yeah. And what it was trying to do. Yeah, it's pretty interesting and unique in that sense. Like, what... The film that it's trying to be in its goals. it doesn't feel like

you know like a cliche too cliched or too standardized or like unoriginal even it's an interesting project it doesn't feel like a corny like biopic yeah yeah actually got something to say no no although what's funny about it is apparently

you know there are a lot of creative liberties taken here like I don't know exactly I'm not too familiar with the real character like the real person Edward or exactly what about this movie was faithful towards the real story or what was embellished. There was a really interesting... Somebody asked Charlie Kaufman on like a live stream fundraiser interview thing

and they posted it to the Kaufman subreddit literally a week before I watched this movie, which was kind of interesting. Oh, perfect. He was asked about the ending of Edward. He's like, well, he took a lot of issue with it. So his perspective is that he never got that, you know, room full of people applauding. And Charlie Kaufman's perspective is the important part of the story of Edward to him is knowing what he had to sacrifice to be an artist.

And part of that sacrifice was never getting that recognition. And so he feels like the story kind of did a disservice towards at least what he found to be the important things to communicate about. story. Now, that being said, he is Charlie Kaufman and a lot of his movies are really depressing. Love the guy. What I've heard in terms of people disputing that perspective is other people would say that Tim Burton wanted to make something more of like a fantasy, you know, base it off of someone's life, but not necessarily like, okay, everything has to be exactly the same. It can be this almost otherworldly idealist perspective or have. You know, you can get somewhat of a happy ending out of it to make it a bit more of a feel-good experience just because that's what he wanted to make.

So it really depends on what your perspective is and just what you- I think I would have changed the movie quite a lot if they had leaned into that kind of stuff more because there's that. It would be a very different movie. I would love to see that movie. I would love to see Charlie Kaufman's Edward. Yeah. Because it did make me raise my eyebrow in the end like when it's showing, is wrapping up all the characters and getting in little bios of like, happened to them where it mentions that Edward suffered with alcoholism and that led to his end and like reading all about that outside of it. It's like, oh, that's really not touched on in the movie at all and that must be intentional.

No. His alcoholism? He's not even drinking in the film. So it's like. Exactly. Yeah. Or when the, the real woman that Sarah Jessica Parker's characters based on also had that issue with the film saying that the reason I broke up with him was more because of the alcoholism, not because of the other stuff actually. Yeah. So, but yeah, I don't know. It seems, as you're saying, that tone, what it's going for, it doesn't feel like it's literally, it's not, based on the true story every five seconds, like trying to make fun of it or go for that kind of angle. It still feels very much like a Tim Burton movie to me. Yeah. To be Tim Burton's style. Yeah. It's tempting for this, like, because it's such a charming film for you to want some of the things to actually have happened. I don't think this is trying to be a historical document, and that's very important, I think, to be in mind of when you're watching this, even though the film opens with a.

you know, the guy saying, like, we've held these stories, these facts secret for too long. Like, you know, you're going to get the real stories. Like, obviously, that's meant to be kitsch. You're not supposed to actually think you're getting the real, authentic thing. And, yeah, honestly, Ed Wood works better as a folk hero. Like, the character in this movie, like, he's not, I, if you, I don't know if he was a decent person in real life or not. But, like, in this film, he just works better as a, like, just a character that you can get behind. and like sort of root for

and I'm glad we have the same thoughts about the ending because it is such a like it does raise my eyebrow where it's like oh by the way he never actually found success died a penniless alcoholic and made porn and that wasn't didn't even succeed at that like it's a very sort of like oh okay like

and that is a perfect ending too this movie because like you don't you wouldn't want to give him a win like the whole the film isn't about him finally overcoming his like obstacles it's how he was dealing with the obstacles in the film and how he pivoted and for better or for worse. So yeah, I'm glad we had the same thoughts on the ending because it is just kind of a, you know, whatever sort of post-strip.

But that's not even to say it avoids some of the darker moments, like when, you know, Bella commits himself and that whole sequence where he's locked in the ward screaming and his whole struggles with morphine and drug addiction. Like it still deals with like the heavier subjects and, I don't know, I guess it just restricts it to certain characters that aren't necessarily Edward. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like Bella gets like probably the most like, uh, yeah, human. He feels most like a human character with like real struggles. And Ed Wood is just living in love. There's that great shot of like, um, he like gets up to like do some. He's like, I need to get to my medicine. And then you just see the silhouette of him in the shadow like getting all of his drugs. And Ed Wood is just his eyes are glued to the TV. Like his friend is like descending like clearly is in trouble. And he's just watching. He just isn't giving it any time. That sums up. what Ed Wood's, his whole character is. He doesn't want to deal with real life. He loves fantasy. Yeah, that's part of, um, exactly. That's part of what makes their dynamics so good is that Edward, he's trying to burst into this industry while like dealing with this character who's, the complete inverse, he's already been chewed up and spit out by the industry. He's like,

at the end of his life pretty much and contrasting them against each other and not being able to see like right in front of him. Yeah. The kind of sadness of this old man splashing in the water doing vampire impressions. I'm bitching about Frankenstein, like, what that actually looks like up face to face. He's just, he's just blinded. I've met people that, like, this, their dynamic does bother them. I have a friend that feels that, like, Ed Wood is more of a manipulator and is more, which you could argue he kind of is in a way, but like that it's more a snake or salesman.

That's kind of the vibe I get. Yeah, he's more like how, um, you hear about like, like, lolcows on YouTube or whatever, they have, like, handlers that like, you know, just, yeah, like, is Edward a lull cow? Do we want to get... I have that in my notes too, but like, you just have these... Yeah, I don't know. Like, I personally don't think that that's what, you know, the film is trying to, you know, show...

Depict Ed Wood as, but I could totally see someone having that opinion. Those titles at the end were kind of funny because it definitely said, voted worst director of all time, but it didn't say by who. Yeah. Who did... Who said that? Yeah, what magazine was doing that? It's like, if you look it up on Wikipedia, it says voted worst director of all time posthumously awarded a Golden Turkey Award.

Oh, not even a Razzie. So, yeah. Oh, it's a 1980 book by film critic Michael Medved and his brother Harry. And there were different, I guess, jurors that awarded these things. But interesting thing to include. at the end. Yeah, yeah. Voted worst director of all time.

And then famous two years later, because for some reason, people, I guess, ironically would watch this and get drunk or something. Yeah. I don't know how this would have, like, what the hell was the way that people found out about these movies? Plan 9 for Matterspace is a weird one for people to kind of embrace in that way, because it's so nothing.

But I guess it had its longevity. before we had things like the room, which was like the new renaissance of so bad that it's good movie. Yeah, this was the 50s, I guess. He just had less choice. Now we got better characters. Now that anyone can make a movie

and the bar is so low for entry for someone to be able to publish something. So I recognize the producer guy that was always on the phone yelling. Oh yeah, that guy's great. He was in the Black Dynamite. He was the guy that always had his tongue out. I want Black Dynamite bed.

He's in a bunch of great stuff. Yeah, yeah, that guy enunciates his words. Like, I need the most Italian angry guy to possibly deliver this line. I recommend, I forget his name, but that actor's great. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'll kill you. Like, the way he says Al-Kiliah is like so good. Yeah, they're good characters.

Bill Murray's. fun, even though he's not in it very much. That's for the best, though. I'm glad it's not too much of a, like, Bill Murray, you know, he could be distracted. It would be weird, yeah. Yeah, it was just enough, just enough sprinkling of him. Yeah, I'm rooting for his character, too, like him and, like, Ed, like, two LGBT characters in a way, like, trying to, like, they both, I think for 94, like, the way that they're

presented, like, obviously Bill Murray's, like, in Ed Wood to an extent or, like, comedic characters, but, like, I'm always charmed with, like, how, and Tim Burton's really, good about that. At least like early Tim Burton is like really good about just not using them as punch lines. Like there's yeah a character here. It would be up to how the audience interprets it because you could easily be someone watching the film that just sees that as like oh it's a joke sort of thing. And then maybe in some ways it is. But I did find the I guess like what we can call it like the trans angle of the story. I found that kind of fascinating for that to be included and it was kind of sad too. it is

it is yeah like when he's talking to Patricia Arquette in that beautiful scene when they're on the the spooky ride and like it comes down and like he has that moment

that second moment of like I've never told anyone this on a first date like I get a little choked up that's a really scary moment and lots of people can probably connect to that

but it's a surprisingly empathetic it was how it wrapped up to me that was the kind of emotional bullet point for it after the girl he's talking to seems to let down when she's asking like,

does that mean you don't want to have sex with girls? No, I love sex with girls. And then she's just like, oh, okay. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, he's kind of like accepted in that moment. And it's like a nice, yeah, little character beat for him. Yeah, I like that stuff.

All right, here's a question. Who would you like to see a movie like this about? I'm picking Ova Bull. Derek. Okay, you stole mine. That was. How do you didn't do that? That would be a challenge and a half

I honestly The whole time I'm watching this film I'm thinking like what would like someone like Neil Breen Or Derek Savage probably take away from this They probably I mean everyone would love this But like I think Derek probably would really connect with like Ed Woods just like I'm gonna make a film called Cool Cats stops a school shooting

It's gonna it's gonna be great And then it's like oh fast forward a few months later Oh it's no longer called Cool Cat stops a school shooting Yeah yeah Black and White It's like you change the Kickstarter Like everything you've did you scam everybody Derek He's like no it's fine it's a new picture it's gonna be even better like

Yeah so I was also like a Derek Savage I feel like you get a really good character movie out of Oof a bowl I feel like I feel like it would be a bit more like layered and interesting Whereas like I don't know how you approach the Derek Savage one without it being like Fucking Safty brothers movie or something It would have to be just him like That's what I'm picturing, though.

It's like a safty, like it just doesn't let you go. Running from debt collectors. Yeah, yeah. He has to get, like, a certain amount of money to somebody to make sure the new 420 awards goes off without a hitch. And obviously, new problems happen. I do find that there is, like, a, like, the way Derek and other people like, Derek, like, will just, like, only, when a critic will put out a review, they'll only, like, focus on, like, kind of the good stuff or, like, what people enjoy. Like, there's that line that Edwood says at the beginning where he's, like, he's, like, he's, like, Like, I've seen reviews where they don't even mention the costumes.

Like, that's such a, like, that's all, like, that's how a lot of artists are. Like, they just, they really take. Yeah, you just got to go with it. And that's not like, you know, to say that's the wrong way to go. Yeah, just have hope. And I, uh, I also got to mention, I know somebody that is kind of like Ed Wood. Um, I used to be on a message board in the, uh, when I was in high school. And there was this guy that would post like, hey, I'm making a short film and I need, uh, some people to shoot some scenes.

and I'll put it in my movie and like I just like filming stuff. So this guy and I have like kind of on and off like he'll ask me for, you know, hey, can you shoot this and I'll, I'll film it. And he's been making low budget horror films for over a decade. And like none of them have been received well. He's had some of it's like stuff featured on like red letter media. And like, but now like he's actually, but through all of like he won't stop. That's what I love though.

Is that like he does not. I'm at that point in my life where it's actually perfect that like we're talking about this when the Beatlejuice 2 trailer came out. And like, I'm not, I don't give a, I don't give a shit about Beetlejuice 2. Like, I barely care about the first movie. But when this like low budget horror director puts out a trailer with like 15 views, one like, I'm like giddy up. I want to see what that guy's doing. And so the way the film also just makes you assess like, you know, good art versus, you know, a good movie versus a bad movie.

I'm at that point in my life now where that line gets super blurry and like I can appreciate. appreciate a quote unquote bad movie as long as like I'm interested. And the things that interest me, it varies from film to film. Sometimes I do like the costume. Sometimes I like the fact that it looks like shit. But also like there's a lot of unexpected things that happen. Like if I'm entertaining, like old, that, um, the M.

Night Shyamalan's movie, I give that a four out of ten had a blast. Like I will, I will watch the next Amlight Shammelon movie if I get a group of friends together. And like it's a, there's a lot of Ed Wood and director. and people I like. So I always just come back to this one. There's the kind of therapeutic angle where it feels like there must be part of it with Burton saying, like he's worked within the studio system.

You know, Batman was a huge film in 89. I'm sure he had his frustrations with that with the way the producers are asking for things with obviously on a completely different level. It's not like religious groups getting the whole crew baptized in order to get funding. But he can probably relate to that kind of frustration. It definitely comes through through a lot of. these scenes and a lot of the dialogue with the producers with the yeah all these caveats and changes and ways he's got to carve up the story in order to get it made I'm sure yeah that's just

a relatable thing to go through as you said earlier yeah and the film always changes no matter what like what you start out wanting to make it's probably not going to be what the final product does anyway so like it's about the compromise of fight for revision but also you know compromise when you have to in a way and some products are going to come out stinkier than others, but that's art, baby. Yeah, and like when do you draw the line and say, enough is enough? Because he does have that moment where he has the, it's the awesome Wells cameo scene. Great scene.

He has that conversation with, yeah, this kind of being the point. Yeah, why spend your life making someone else's dreams? Yeah. And he screams like, only if you shut up and do things my way and kind of gets his way finally at the end, but a little bit too late by then. But the thought is nice. No, it's a great scene. Yeah, yeah.

And I love that like they're swapping notes as if like Plan 9 and Citizen Kane or even in the same conversation. They're like, man, don't you hate it when the producers want to put their buddies in the film? Like it's like, and they're viving. Like, and I really do think that, you know, big directors, small director, like anyone can get behind that. Like, you can understand that conversation. And a lot of films don't even attempt that. Going back to that scene that Kaufman kind of criticized where he gets the big crowd and the cheering. It is highlighted by the line at the end where he says,

this is the one I'll be remembered for, like obviously an ironic, but not in the way you think kind of conclusion, which I feel like is the dramatic purpose of the scene, even if it isn't exactly what happened in reality. Yeah, yeah, it's a fantasy. Good stuff. Yeah, glad you guys enjoyed it, though.

Thanks for the recommendation. Yeah. Yeah, I really enjoyed it, but just looking through his filmography, It's like, what? Don't do that. Did Allison Wonderland break it? Is that what did it?

It broke me, bud. I saw that opening weekend. I was like, all right. So did I? I wasn't that cynical on the technology and like it didn't look terrible. But man, that might have been, whatever. I'm not. I hear big eyes is all right.

I think it might do now, though. Yeah, I've heard that's okay. But it's like something about Alice and Wonderland in particular. Because I feel like that was one of those first big, this made a billion dollars for no reason type movies. You know, like an IP, everyone knows. Tim Burton bringing it live action for no reason. It's like one of the ugliest things you've ever seen. And now that's just kind of like the standard.

And then you fast forward 10 years later and he's making like a Dumbo remake thing and live action for Disney. It's like, oh my God, this is so sad. This is going against like everything that you've kind of set up in like Edwood and Big Fish and all these like fantastic character layered like awesome production. You can forget about Planet the Apes, but you know stuff around it. Yeah, he was pumping out a film like. every other year for a while. And if you look at his filmography, like, I mean, he can make whatever he wants now. And I think he's doing exactly what he wants to do, which is just directing less, producing other people's stuff. And it has its audience that Beetlejuice

sequel will do fine, I'm sure. But maybe. Yeah, that's a very depressing thing to go through his filmography, because like this is as far away from, you know, what he puts out usually. Yeah, there was like a point where he kind of became, it feels like to me, a parody of himself. But like that whole, that thing that drew me to him originally, that weird, quirky, ex-Disney animator, Gothic guy is like, yeah, now it's, it is a parody of itself. Like, what? I just can't picture that same person then making a Dumbo movie and it's just how it looks.

And it's like, well, but, you know, like the visuals, the illustration that's like why I'm drawn there. And it's like losing a grip over that very thing that made me like the art to begin with. It's like a sad. Yeah, I don't think we're ever getting. back this level of craftsmanship and that's all right I guess because it makes this more special I suppose now he is Edward now he literally has become Edward destroyer movies yeah more like Bim Turden well got a god his ass fucking done retire already get out of here

all right uh I'm giving this one a seven out of ten I'm giving plan nine for matter space an easy one. How great. Yeah. Yeah, plan nine as an easy half star one out of ten was only enriched by this movie, which I think I enjoyed slightly more than you, Adam. It's to be like a low four star eight out ten for me. Was painful going back to what I love about this filmmaker, but there was, of course,

something. So a jewel there once. Yeah. So much promise. And one of those unexpected kind of combos, it feels like a really, good restrained story for Tim Burton and like remaking the intro from plan nine but how like a real fleshed out filmmaker would do it you know with the whole set and the go into each gravestone um the stop motion like uh octopus and all this in the intro yeah some cool

it was a cool choice um that really worked out for me um but i just can't disconnect from where it came where it goes. Yeah, that's fair. I'm, like, hesitant to recommend a movie. I know both of you tried, but you weren't into. That's very similar called Dolomite is my name. I think I remember you got, like, you said something like the direction or whatever. It just looked like a pretty bland film.

Am I right with that? Like, if you remember what the criticisms were. You mentioned it once on the episode, and I think you both, like, tapped out. I would say, I mean, yeah, I would, I'm skeptical to say, Oh, give it another shock. Because I don't think your opinions will change on it that much. But I do think, because it's the same screenwriters. And they do a very similar sort of thing with the character of the guy, Rudy Ray Moore, I believe is his name.

Eddie Murphy's character. If you're curious, like, that's the closest spiritual sequel to this. I like movies about people making movies. So this one is top tier for me. Good kind of companion piece I'd recommend is actually Barton Fink. Oh, hell yeah. It's set like 10 years. before but an underrated

Coen Brothers movie about, yeah, a writer struggling in Hollywood and it does kind of have a elsewhere kind of cartoonish tone to it and just amazing writing too. I kept thinking about that with this. Yeah, I'd really recommend that too. RIP, the Coen Brothers

honestly, all the brothers, all the siblings are breaking up. I know. I hate that shit. I hate that shit. Whatever! If they're both good, then they can make twice as many things now. I hope they do. but yeah, I do miss

fucking Benny was doing a great job with the curse Yeah, he was We stand Benny safety I got Paramount Plus for free with my work So I got to watch that like immediately When those episodes came out Which I've never done with a show Shout out to the curse

But yeah with this I'm feeling a light to decent 8 out of 10 Nice Question time Let's do some questions then From the Sardonika's community Head over to the suggestion thread over on the subreddit to leave any question you feel like just like that condenses my milk did

to uh I'm just gonna read this when impersonating a train how many chugger chuggers should come before a chew chew two obviously really I was thinking three I was thinking three wait no it's not two three four right now well you said how many chugger chuggers not how many chuggers they did put quotation Yeah, over two. Specifically chug-a-ch-chug-ch-a. Your answer would be one. Mine is still four. Mine is three.

Mine is the same cadence as the Batman song. Chugg-ch-ch-ch-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-ch-chug-ch-chug-ch-choo. You really are a musician. That's something like only, I feel, like, a musician would have been able to pull. Yeah, you were straight to that. You're getting, like, constant. I have eartism and things get infected in my brain that I can't get rid of. I'm so sorry to hear that.

It's fine. Well, I'll ask an actual relevant question now from a Silver Sneck. Kind of mentioned it a little bit earlier, but what are your thoughts on Smiling Friends? Have any of you seen Season 2 yet? I haven't jumped into season 2 yet. I've seen a lot of those when the first episode came out with that, like, PS1 character. Yeah.

Thing. That's hilarious to me. I binged all the season 1. I was just going to wait for season 2 to finish and then just like binge it all. Yeah, same. In a couple hours. I saw the first couple episodes of season too. Yeah.

Yeah. There's something nostalgic about it, as we're saying about that old new ground stuff. It's like this, this is just like what they're envisioning with like a hellbenders or these old attempts at this kind of stuff. So yeah, perfect format. It's really connecting with people. It's like, well, I've never seen anything like this. Like this big broad audience that's finally getting their eyes on this type of animation. It's kind of quick jokes that they're not like online vapid stuff.

but they're quick moving enough, they're referential enough, they're funny enough, all these different, like, art styles they're whipping out with the, like, sick animation stuff

and the rotoscoping or the 3D stuff or the occasional stop motion. It's, like, really creative, really funny. Yeah. Absolutely love it.

Good effort. My favorite episode is the Halloween episode in season one. Yeah. Because that's actually scary. Those sequences are actually scary. And, like,

if something can scare me, I'm, like, happy about it. Mm. Like, it's actually terrified. Catches me off guard. Yeah. Really, uh, really, like short episodes and really efficient, uh, scripts.

Like, I'm curious what the processes of like how they go from like boarding, like script to boarding to a production because I feel like this show must kind of like do its own thing with how, uh, like, it just doesn't get bogged down that much. Like each shot is so efficient. And, um, they're usually like only like, what, 15, 10, 50 minute episodes. So I'm a big fan of that kind of, uh, format. And yeah, shout out to Hulope. Whoever does the PS1 effects, he's really good.

I would highly recommend checking out. He made a short film called Two Pipes, also with Harry Partridge that came out a little earlier. It's like a seven minutes short in that art style. Yeah, really great marriage of styles throughout the show. Yeah, it's like a gumball. I don't know if anyone here, watch the Amazing World of Gumming. It's so, I mean, that show takes the cake, but like, man, like I love that kind of stuff. Yeah, I'm glad it's found its audience and gone beyond that.

Like, I was not expecting it to be the level of popular Smiling Friends is, you know, like when we're in Vegas, like the face was on the sphere and it's like, Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, sick. That's so cool. Yeah, it's absolutely everywhere. It's like memed everywhere.

I think the way they tease like a season with like an early episode release is a really smart, like marketing thing. Yeah, I think they dumped that first season on HBO. They aired all the episodes all in one batch and then like the next day it was all in HBO To like watch so that helped a lot so I hope they go and the Brazil special is like hilarious because it's just a conversation and like them fighting so they the possibilities are endless with a smiling friends Yeah just a heads up to anybody watching the full episodes that are being posted on Twitter I know that it's not available everywhere You know you can't like stream it anywhere in Australia they got Blu-ray they got a

Blu-ray is season one, so try your best to support the show financially, because otherwise we won't see a season three if it's not, if everybody's just pirating it. Yeah, I think they literally did just post, I think Michael posted in like Australia, Apple TV did just get some of the show. So I think, so like it is happening, but yes, I completely agree. This is the one show you should not pirate because it's actually very easy to. I want 10 seasons. Twitter sucks for that.

It's such a wasteland. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, stuff gets leaked all the time on Twitter. there was like a project that Nickelodeon that like leaked like the entirety of it got leaked on Twitter and it's like I don't know how that even happens when I I upload five seconds of like a song into a YouTube video and I get flagged right away. Yeah. I don't know how that shit works. No one's working at Twitter anymore.

No. Yeah. X. We're calling it X. AILA programs. Yeah. I will be curious if they can maintain this momentum because people are already like making these like Rick and Morty S jokes. You know, whenever I'm like love to Rick and Rick and stuff.

and Morty at first and it just went on and on but I'm more optimistic honestly but yeah I hope so too yeah it's good I hope there's no Setshuan sauce incident that happened yeah and I feel like this would being a bit more shit posty like has a bit more of an opportunity for longevity mm-hmm Rick and Morty tried to have like a bit too much of a story and then just its repetitive nature kind of felt like almost like a betrayal after a certain point yeah I lost interest after season two. I was like, that's right. It's okay.

Well, seeing as like with Ed Wood, we're talking about biopics and movies based on real people, I roast you like a pig, right in and said, later this year, there'll be a Trump biopic. And next year, there'll be a Michael Jackson biopic. Which one do you think will spawn the most intense social media cluster? Fuck. Donnie T. Bone or that moonwalking dude. Who's doing the Michael Jackson biopic? Antoine Fukuwa. Training day guy

Which I mean Yeah I Yeah so that's not gonna be interesting So the Trump one looks interesting I mean Trump inherently will bring like you know Its own dialogue The Trump one's gonna be interesting because it's a good director And I've enjoyed yeah great director

Ali Abbasia yeah borders great Yeah I love that director holy spider yeah they're tight But I hear this one's just kind of stinking They made two really good films before this so That's that's all I'm basing it off of Yeah, I don't know. I hear it's just whatever, but yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I think the Michael Jackson, it depends on what they're going to include in the Michael Jackson one. Like how far, like, what are you, you're going to be omitting something. We're not getting the, you know, warps and all biopic. Yeah, that's not going to happen. We're not going to even allude to that. I'm confident it's just going to be like me. I don't know. Who fucking knows? I don't think Antoine Fuqua would be the guy to do it. So yeah. No, exactly. He's a very safe director. Yeah, that's my guess Yeah, I'm hyped for the imprentice

Just because I like the director That's about it Yeah, same, same Low expectations though Like even if it's bad It's like I will watch anything You make border I will watch anything this director makes

Yeah And I feel like just the timing of it You know, with the election this year Yeah yeah Oh, what election What election? With like the lawsuits already being talked about With the movie

There's already a big story boom With that Trump one I feel like will be hard to overshadow, but I'm curious about what it's like, for sure. The rumblings from Cannes are interesting. Yeah, hopefully it's a Tiff.

Oh, yeah. Also, wait, real quick, shout-outs to Sean Baker for winning the Palm Door. That was pretty fucking huge. Like, I'm really happy. Baker's Bacon, baby. I was really excited for that film, but like I really leapt out of my seat

when I heard you win. Anyway, that was my Palm Update. Shout out to Sean Baker. Shout out to Neon, five in a row. Five Palm Dars in a row. Hell yeah. They're great. They're putting out like gold.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, uh, jizzas. How's this to say? What's your opinion on extreme content in movies? I saw that Adam has seen multiple movies that could be considered some of the most extreme and disturbing movies you can watch. Yeah. Why?

Do you think filmmakers should always try to push the envelope even for just extreme gore? What is the point? What the fuck are you talking about? What is the point? What do you mean? What do you mean? What is the point? smack him down, let him know the truth.

I want to feel something. Let me feel something. Yeah, when you're playing on those like boundaries of like what is acceptable, there is a lot of space for it to go wrong, obviously, and just be like exploitative or bad, but again, something that breaks through will be the thing that's like, they push the boundary just the right way. They found the right angle forward.

They exploited this just right. This is good. This avoided being a cannibal Holocaust tour. whatever you want to say. When it's done artfully and purposefully with like intent, just good presentation, you know. Like, Gaspar and O.A,

you could draw similarities between his films. I think climax is his best. And the story that he's telling and what he's trying to communicate works so well for his style. Yeah. I've never really, I guess, connected with that crowd of people that will

turn away from something even before watching it based on an extreme idea that maybe is being explored within the safe. The idea to me is like the point of art is like exploring these ideas within the safety within, you know, some bounds. If we're not doing it in that medium, like, where else are we doing it? I'll see these ideas explored. You can't just like, yep, these are the rules for how this works. Let's just stop then and not play anymore. the whole idea is to and the new the new cool ideas will be found in those scary edges yeah i i remember

going up in like the early 2000s like there was a big push for extreme everything extreme comedy extreme like horror films and like the line i kind of i i have different thoughts on different films but i guess if i'm going to compare cabin fever like one eli roth movie to another i like cabin fever a lot it's a piece of shit movie but it's also very funny with how extreme it goes right Whereas, like, I grew up hearing about the hostile movies as like, oh, man, you don't want to watch that. That's messed up. I threw them on the other year. And it's like, that's a very tame movie.

Like, I don't even know back then if it was actually that extreme. But, like, the marketing was all. It was like writing the waves of saw, like the whole torture porn genre sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, it probably did a lot for, like, actually getting R-rated films more, less of a taboo, getting them into theater. So it's not a mark of death on a film. Like, that's great.

But, like, it's also what you do with it. I don't even connect with those terrifier films at all, but like I I respect what they're going for. I'm not really a gross out guy, but I do think it's cool that like there is a guy that's just like pushing the envelope and wants to like try making something that hasn't really been pulled off on the big screen. And that that really goes a long way. So I can appreciate that. But it's a case by case basis. Okay. I like this one from Owenspace 2026.

What product would you want to see a keynote biopic origin story about? It's a real biopic trend going on. This must be in response to this latest Jerry Seinfeld Pop-Tart awesomeness. I know you've seen that, Adam. I haven't got around to that yet because of... Not going to. Are you going to watch it, Alex? But I'm kind of tempted.

All right, let me know. I was really into Seinfeld. But not his film stuff, like B-movie. Don't talk about that. This looks just, I don't know. Bipics, it's really rare for a biopic to excite me. I feel like I've said it before. I'll say again.

Man, Blackberry, though, was like one of my favorite movies. That was great. True. That was excellent. That is the hardest film to sell people on the... I'm glad that, like, it got all this acclaim. It, like, got some awards at, like, the Berlin Film Festival. And I think definitely, like, it's helped Matt Johnson in that crew.

But, like, it has such a... It's almost a dead-on arrival kind of, like, premise to a film. Because everyone I tell about is, like, oh, why would I want to watch a film about Blackberry? They think they're not willing to concede... And for good reason, they're not willing to, like, suspend their... Because, yeah, the landscape kind of made the idea sound bad, you know, when the Tetris movie comes out, when all these... The Elvis movie, the Butter of...

just everyone has their one. So then when you get a good one, like Blackberry, yeah, it can just get lost, which is a shame. Yeah. As far as, like, what products, because that was the word, right, product. Product was, yeah.

You know what, like, this isn't me being, like, a contrarian or a hipster. I genuinely loved my Zoom. I have nothing to positive memories of using my Zoom. Zune movie. Fuck, yeah. Well, it would just end up being probably like Blackberry. And so, again,

And it's probably not like a good idea to do it. But like, I had, I was like exchanging songs with people on it. I could listen to the radio on it. I could throw it across the room and it wouldn't break. It was a phenomenal superior MP3 player that does not get enough love. Thank you, Adam. Thank you. Have they done like a Walkman movie?

You've just like opened this whole like gateway product movies that haven't been done yet. That like we're definitely going to see in the next few decades. It's a tape you can put on your ass and then you can run. Like, I don't know what the... I missed the... I was at the very... I was born around the end of the cassette tape arrow, so I don't know if there's even...

bunch of a story there. Yeah. The CD player killer, I guess, might have. You know, I don't know. Maybe there's something there, but Zoom. Zune all the way, baby. Give me a product story about HD DVD. Oh, hell yeah.

Like Blu-ray versus HD DVD? Oh, the fight. The Blu-ray wars. Give me a Sega Dreamcast, origin story. Actually, that actually would be. Great. I would love a dreamcast. I think a lot of people get down with it. Yeah. I mean, if you got the right people involved, that's really all that matters. It's just get someone who's not a hack to do it.

Well, pop it pops into my mind is the behind the scenes drama between Nintendo and PlayStation. Oh, yeah. You could do a by pick there. Yeah. They had like some business deal where they were going to share hardware, but it like fell through and out of spite. PS1 was launched as a competitor. It's probably a story there. Some boardroom nonsense going on. Take notes, Hollywood.

Give us some royalties. I think, like, Seth Rogen, his company was like, they had the book rights for a book called Console Wars, and it was about the Super Nintendo versus Genesis. Like, that could have actually been good. And again, there's a lot of, like, fun ads you can, I think, wasn't that the era where they were like, buy me, uh, super Nintendo or go to hell?

Like, some crazy, uh, they were, trying everything with the marketing with those and yeah it got brutal it got really brutal so there probably is like i you know i don't need to see a pam and tommy movie but i would love to see like nerds like just screaming and cussing at each other uh that could actually be good one day yeah i don't know i feel like the product movies we could we can chill after the barbie thing i'm like scared after the success of bobby i think we can cool it on food i don't know why like hot cheetos like like and they just lie about everything, right?

Yeah. That happened. And that's, so unless there's a cool food story, like, who made, I don't, talkies, I don't think there's really much of a story there, unless I'm mistaken. Food fight? That's pretty much what you're talking about, right? Yeah, yeah. I actually knows this.

I know someone that worked on that movie. Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. As an editor. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. Give me the origin story of pink sauce.

Oh, for the McNuggets? for a how McDonald's McNuggets are you? No, it's not even McDonald's. It's just some random pink size. It's just ranch, but it's pink. That might, oh, yeah, that might be a Canadian thing.

I think we call that secret sauce over here. Really? Pink sauce? I think it's like a, I think it's like a southern US thing. Really? Oh, we're responsible. Damn, damn.

Well, so there's really random, like, biopic stuff being made right now. Like, you heard about this Ferell movie. It's like a Forell documentary. documentary, but it's animated made out of Lego? Huh? No, I've not heard about this. Yeah, I've heard about it and I've tried to forget.

So, yeah, even if you don't want it, we're going to get some crazy mixture of this stuff anyway. So that would have been my answer a few years ago. It would be like, yeah, let's do a Lego thing. We got a Lego movie now, and we got too many of them and then that died. Yeah. Yeah. All right, one more question? Find someone else to milk.

Let's end on this one then. From Warm Opportunity 623. POV, Alex and Adam and Dan are stranded together on a desert island together after a sinking ship or whatever. They really like embellish this a bit with me. Whatever set piece necessary to bring them here for an indefinite amount of time. There is a good enough supply of food and water so that won't be an issue. Luckily, for some bizarre reason, there's a fully functional television hoped up with a 4K Blu-ray setup as well as a record player. Luckily enough, again, Alex and Adam and Dan, both for some unknown reason, have brought along the exact five films and five albums that would ideally have in this given screening.

The real question is, what would those five films and albums be? Five each? Ignore the concept. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, each, I would say. Right? How bountiful, honestly. Yeah, we don't have to compromise or anything.

This sounds like heaven, actually. Lion King, 1994. Holy Mountain, Synecdochee, New York, Kill Bill, Volume 1 and 2. Wow, okay. The shags for one album. I don't know. The rest of them, just bright eyes, I guess. Done, easy.

Just bright eyes. What? Damn, you really just rattled those off. There you go. Hell yeah. You go, Alex. My special edition of Stop Making Sense just arrived so I could have the record and the film version.

That scratches one off both. I don't know, I feel like I'd have to have maybe Demon Days on there, big fan of that one. Duff Punk record, Ram, got out the big Lebowski with me, like a little comfort movie. Stalker, train spot and hot foes. Got to have those there. Stocker? Yeah. Wow.

I think I've said it before. I think about Stalker at least once a week. Nice. Oh, nice. It really connected with me. Good. You should read the book, The Roadside Picnic that it's based. It's really good.

Yeah, I keep being suggested that. I've heard it's amazing. It's super short too. Like you can finish it and you crush that. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not as long as the movie would lead you to think. Did you give your fives?

Was that five? I wasn't even counted. What's that? Yeah, I kind of lost track. Maybe in the MF Doom album. Pimper Butterfly. That's more than five, right? Yeah, it's good.

Let's see here. I would bring my bootleg copy of the whitest kids you know on Blu-ray. I would have that. That's a great show. That'll get a lot of walls out of you guys. I would bring my bootleg copy of Mr. In Between, which is a fantastic three-season Australian TV show. I'd love to introduce to people. I love re-watching it.

You know, the third movie, it'd probably bring. Let's see, I'm looking at my little column here. I'd bring the Kalyanis Katsi. I'd bring a nice little visually stimulating. I wanted to say the trilogy, but I think I'd just do Kalyanis Katsi. Maybe a silent film. I'd throw like safety last in there. That'd be tight.

And Drunken Master, just a fun little action film. Watch the guy get beat up in. For my five albums, you guys are bringing real music. You already listed a lot of bands I like like Daft Punk and guerrism. So maybe Discovery, but then the other four are just Weird Al Yankovic albums. So Poodle Hat. Mm, bad hair day. Man, Weird Al in 3D and Alpocalypse.

And then I think we'll be okay to live on this island. Yeah. What did you think of the Weird Al movie? Oh, man. You got, I have to be honest. I'm probably the biggest Weird Al fan in this podcast. now. I love Weird Al Deerly. I rewatch all this stuff. But man, that film, and I love that it got all this acclaim and attention. I think Daniel Radcliffe did a great job. I did not find it funny.

I didn't find the music very good. They re-recorded some tracks, which was fine. But like, I just even, I don't know what I would have wanted. Like, it's all based on that funny or die sketch, like fake trailer that came out in like, I think the early 2010s. And like, it's just, that trailer did everything the film, you know, needed to do. Yeah, exactly. I love the idea of it. There is like, it's a ripe thing to make fun of this biopic. Well, Melstrom, but like, yeah, it doesn't really work. You know what I did right after I watched Weird Al? I just threw on Dewey Cox. I threw on Walk Hard again, which I hadn't rewatched since I was in theaters. Hilarious. Like, genuinely, I would highly

recommend it if you haven't watched it. Um, John C. Riley's actually singing in this thing. There's tons of great music, like, both funny music and also just like that sounds good. And, uh, all the biopic stuff, it's parodying. It's just, it's, it's a lot more ambitious than a Weird Al movie, which was probably made for like basically no money. But, um, so that's my honest thoughts. It's like, I was let down with, I just what, I got nothing out of it. I don't recommend it, but I'm happy that I'd actually forgotten. I'd forgotten it existed until, uh, you just started lifting off the weird out records. Yeah. So, um, but I'm glad that like, he's kind of semi retired now. Um, he made that last album and like, he wanted to get a number one album on the billboard

top 100. He did it. He broke a lot of his own records and then he's kind of semi-retired now. So he's at a good place. He can do whatever he wants. So that film doesn't affect me. I will still see him live. I saw him live last year. It was a fantastic show. And if you get a chance, go see Weird Al. Beautiful. Awesome. All right. I guess I've got a film recommendation. And since we recorded this a little early, we got a bit of extra time. Are you down for a trilogy, Alex? Let's do it. We haven't done one in a while. Let's go.

Okay, let's do it. Three colors. Red. Oh, hell yeah. Blue, white. Christoph. Beautiful. Kislauski.

Yeah, that's probably close enough. Yeah, I've already got that on, got a copy of it. I haven't watched it yet, but. Very good. It's a perfect excuse to. Hell yeah. I've been dying to watch these movies. All three of them are around like 90 minutes.

So it's not that bad. Awesome. Yeah. So four and a half hours. of shit. We got some extra time, so fuck it. If you don't want to be spoiled for the three colors trilogy, red, white, blue,

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plug all your shit yeah I uh so I'm kind of like a little bit of everywhere I would say go to my Twitter but I the website's kind of dying now so I don't know if that's even I kind of just keep it so I can DM

with you guys and like other people I that's your reason I keep mine yeah um it's it's just a much less fun website but um I'm on there uh YouTube.com slash Mr. Dan Christmas is where I'll be uploading stuff. I am working on a short film. I'm finally digging into that. And in the meantime, I'll be making little blender shorts. That's my goal. So I'll be putting those there on my Instagram,

which is, I think, Dano Xmas. And yeah, letterbox. You know, if you're a letterbox sicko, then go on there. And I think I'm also Dano Xmas. And it's a fun app. But yeah, I really just wanted to do this as a way of kind of lighting a fire under my ass and make sure I can can actually produce some shorts. So those are coming. I'm really excited to dig in. All right. Thank you so much.

And thanks for the recommendation. That was really fun. I enjoyed that. Yeah. Thanks for having me on. That's great. Happy Shrek. Happy Ed Woodness.

Happy Bimturden. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.