Sardonicast - Sardonicast 169: Invincible S02, Longlegs, Belle de Jour

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

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Three, two, one. Skibb-dub-du-du-d-d-d-yes-yes. Skibb-d-dub-de-de-de-de. Skibb-dub-dub-d-yes-yes-yes. Skibbdy-dop-de-de-eee. That's a line from the upcoming film, Possession, the remake, from the director of Smile. I thought you're doing a long legs quote.

Yeah, you know what? I was thinking of starting off saying, Hail Satan. And then I didn't. I've got a long legs one written down. I'm sorry, it seems I wore my long legs today. What happens if I just... Then it cuts, if you say if you'd know that. That's why I just kind of stopped talking.

I'm Adam from YMS. This is Sardonicast. Hello, everybody. I'm Alex from H.E. Hello, everybody. Skibbitty toilets on the horizon. And I'm... Michael Bay.

I don't know. Yeah. I mean, if anyone's going to do it, why not, you know? Give everyone skibbitty toilets. It checks out. It does check out. And it's going to be huge, probably. I mean, yeah, it's guaranteed to be huge.

Yeah. It's a guarantee. It's going to be enormous. But the most interesting part to me was just like the... I thought the skibody toilet is made in Valve's like source engine, I think. Yeah. But I mean, like that's... Elements from.

half-life. Yeah, but it's, that's, a, G-Modd is basically something where, what was it called, source filmmaker? It's assets within source filmmaker. And using that, I'm pretty sure Valve has always had, they've always maintained the mentality of anybody can just make a thing using these assets and then post it. I do believe that if it were translated into a film form, I don't know if it's going to have the exact same G-man face.

And if it does, maybe they'll pay some royalties or licensing to Valve, but I'm pretty sure they've got that covered. The more interesting kind of copyright conundrum would be the fact that Skibbitty Toilet, the song, like the melody, the entire thing. Like, it's literally just Timbaland, Nelly Furtado, the song, Give It to Me. It's the chorus from that. I'm actually kind of shocked that Skibbitty Toilet has existed this entire time and not been copyright claimed by Timbaland. that's a bit more surprising to me but I guess it's something that can thrive on TikTok which

probably they're seeing more people download the song anyway or actually you know what I opened up this fucking this music video Timbaland give it to me I was expecting all of the top comments to be about skibbitty toilet so I don't think

anybody makes that association I don't see a single skibbitty toilet comment here oh I see one I see one One Skibbitty toilet. I had to scroll down really far. Holy shit. Is this like a blurred lines Marvin Gay situation? I don't know if I would make that comparison.

But this is like I'm pretty sure. Now I've seen Skibbitty toilets like at least one through 20, okay? And I'm pretty sure that there's parts within Skibbitty toilet where they actually, it's not just a recreation of the melody and lyrics, but they actually use a slowed down sample of the original track. So they're not hiding that it's the original track, even if a lot of people just don't know that the original track exists. Yeah.

And there doesn't seem to be any like intent that way. I'm just more like you're bringing up the idea of, yeah, this is great, great content for TikTok and YouTube shorts, but how are you supposed to write a narrative? Okay, look, they're going to make it fucking epic. It's probably not going to have anything to do with the song. They might not even actually like sing. Will it be animated?

Live action, is Mark Wahlberg going to be in it? They'll just make it epic. They're just going to make it Transformers. It's going to be Transformers, but with toilets. Yeah, I guarantee you. That's probably a safe bet, actually. That's why Michael Bay is doing it. It's Transformers.

Like $100 million, maybe $150 million. Visual effects heavy. The reason why the original Skibbitty toilet is already so epic is because it's a grand scale war battle with toilets. But it's also got the horror elements. It's creepy. It makes you feel weird.

It's creepy. It's a creepy series. For children. So in that same vein, five nights of Freddy's, it's going to be a hit. I'm honestly kind of shocked. Blumhouse isn't trying to pick this one up, but you know. I forgot. You know, I forgot they made a Five Nights at Freddy's movie.

Exactly. And it won't be the last. Yeah. Meme movie. You know, it's actually kind of surprising it's taken this long to get to like the meme movies, you know, like there's been the odd thing out there, but I don't know, not with Michael Bay involvement of this kind of, it's kind of money. They must see some potential there.

Yeah, I think, I think probably the fact that Five Nights at Freddy's did so fucking well is probably why this got greenlit. They're like, oh, what's it, what else is a baby property on the internet? I'm just, yeah, I'm surprised it's not, I don't know, it's quite an expensive concept, right? Like, you know, in the videos, it's like big explosions. helicopters, there's like militaries and wars going on. Like, that's, that's going to be an expensive as movies. You know, FNAF, it's like one room and like five animatronics or whatever.

Oh, yeah. And even if in FNAF, they didn't even utilize that. What if they make the entire film in Source Filmmaker? That would be cool. I would love that person. But they're not going to do that. No. They're never going to do that.

What if, what if they film it like a, documentary and we call it live action. They could do that. I think we get John on the phone. John! We got to get John. All right. Speaking of things that we talk about on a podcast, we watched Invincible

Season 2 and you started it before I did. Yeah. So it's obviously wrapped up a while ago. Yeah. Yeah, I wrapped up the show as it was live, there was that weird break in between, which kind of like murdered the momentum, I feel like, of that season. Yeah. Yeah, it's so stupid. I still am, like, baffled that they chose to do that, especially with the, man, the pace of the season is so different to the first one they really needed all the chips they could put down at the same time, you know, like keep the momentum building.

Because that's kind of the best thing about invincible. I'm sure that decision was made like independently of them understanding what the structure of the show was. Because you know, it's just kind of like a, it's just something that you do as a business person trying to drum up more hype for something, I guess. But I don't think that many people making those decisions are aware of what the actual content is of what they're producing. Yeah, they're trying to get more subscriptions for, It's just on Amazon Prime, right? Yeah. It really backfired because everybody forgot about it between the midseason.

Like, nobody talked about it when it came back. Yeah. Yeah, they really kneecap themselves for genuinely no reason. But I was so kind of frustrated by that rollout that was like, you know what? There's a full, complete, like, comic out there. I'm just going to read the whole thing. So I just got the compendions. I read all three.

So I know the whole story now. Like literally all of the comics? All of it, yeah. Wow. Because there are what? There are like 150 issues. I don't know. It probably took me a couple months or something.

Okay. Reading a few issues a night. Yeah, so I've kind of got some different feelings about the way season two sits with the full context compared to how it felt after finishing it now. That's not to say there aren't some other issues going on with season two compared to one. With the biggest glaring issue to me being that the kind of structure of it, season one has a really good first and last episode that, you know, really memorable, it's shared around everywhere. Two just doesn't have that going on for it. It's kind of put, it's a lot of just establishing stuff, a lot of, oh, these threads that seem

kind of disparate or like they don't really mean much or not going anywhere, but they really do. I promise you they do, but it doesn't feel satisfying within this packaging. Wow. I'm going to forget all about all of it by the time that it brings it back. Mm-hmm. that's yeah that and that's the ultimate issue with the way they're rolling how slowly they're rolling this out because obviously the animation is so expensive and time consuming and they just keep adding the biggest

names like in the industry to like these voice cast so that the it must be expensive as hell to make oh i'm sure it is and they even acknowledged that in the series with that fucking which yeah which is a reference to um in that yeah they like adapted it from a joke in the comic which was at the expense of the comic writers. And that's another kind of problem I have with it. It was like, that joke really works on the comic page in that context. But the way they adapt it into animation is like the whole joke is, hey, look, this is a scene with some like obvious animation tricks to kind of prod the audience and be like,

yeah, this is expensive and hard to make and animation is difficult and time consuming with the joke being, look how bad the animation is in the scene. Maybe that would hit harder. there was like the inverse of that like the mind-blowing animation and a consistent like really high quality to it which I it's one of my biggest issues with the show is like that I feel like the animation took a step down in season two overall I don't remember any scene like the the poses and the action like in the the dynamics from that first and last episode of season one there's some like great animation in there I just

don't remember anything that hits quite that hard of visual as memorable as anything that happens in either of those two episodes in season two. I don't think the animation was ever like incredible, but it was serviceable and it definitely did the job for like budget versus like what you're trying to show. It looks a lot better than that upcoming Watchman animated show. Oh, I didn't even know that was the thing. Oh yeah. That one, it's like, okay, you've chosen an animation style where you don't care about people's facial expressions? Interesting.

What was the joke in the comic? It was about like panel reuse to like fill pages. So it uses the same panel for like most of the page. Oh. It's quite funny. Easy to find out there. Yeah. It's pretty much the same joke, but slightly tweaked.

Okay. Yeah. Season one was really great and it was helped by the fact that there was like a really easy conflict to follow that was progressing throughout the entire season. It was the dynamic between the main character Invincible and his father. And more things got revealed. You saw the sinister nature of what he had to deal with and it was an ongoing conflict that like was progressing all the way up until the end of the final episode of season one. And it left it in a really interesting place to pick up on.

at season two. Season two, and I also watched that like in between season spin-off thing, like the... Oh, the Atomy thing. Yeah, yeah. Which was fine, I guess, but...

It was decent. There's some good animation in the fight scene in there. Season two just... It felt like every conflict was being introduced per episode, and it felt like from the beginning of season two

to the end of season two, nothing changed really significantly like like you could have just had not anything happened and like we could have started at wherever they're going to do it during season three is how I felt like nothing significant got changed about anything that happened by the end of it I pretty much agree but basically the biggest change is that he breaks up with his girlfriend by the end amber I think it names is yeah who cares exactly yeah and within the context of the full comic this section of the story is the weakest part okay it is like uh we've got a rebuild momentum after the big events uh with the the conflict the the big fight on earth with omniumen invincible

like after that it's kind of a lull and they've got to rebuild stuff back up but the the story honestly gets so much better once this stuff is out the way once they're like i don't want to be superior i've got to juggle this and that but i hope so because i was honestly probably just not going to continue watching but the way you're describing it makes me feel like Maybe I could. There it is one of the best things about the comic at least and if you know, if the show follows it well, um, is that it just builds on itself and it builds on itself and it's like you get payoffs.

You get like a payoff in like issue 120 that like is so crazy. Well, I don't know if it's specifically 120, but that far later down the story, you're getting payoffs of things that are like, oh, I remember that being established in season one. You haven't forgotten that. That is like, wow, that's really satisfying, really cool. This is like a whole grand narrative. You're not forgetting what you're setting up. It doesn't feel like it's wasting time, even though season two in a vacuum kind of feels like it is.

Or it's like, where's the focus? What are we doing here? Like, where's this ending? And yeah, dancing around like spoilers or whatever. Sure. There's, it's exciting. Especially, I think season three, if they do it right, might turn you around. Okay.

With the like ways being paced, I feel I can confidently put that down. First of all, sorry for everyone who can hear me chewing my piece of leftover pizza because I didn't have time to eat today, so I'm almost finished. Don't know. Second, with the entire story in mind, would you still say that season two had way too much filler and they probably could have trimmed it in half and kept everything that they set up. Yes. Yeah.

It really needed a stronger, like, focus. Because towards the beginning, they set with this really interesting, like, multi-dimensional hopping villain. And then it's just kind of dropped. And it comes back at the end, but, you know, more of this, we needed, we needed some through line for this season to keep it together. Because, yeah, it does feel like, oh, this is a bunch of setup. It's kind of interesting.

But, man, I really want that feeling like the, the, the end of season one we were like oh my god that was really brutal that was horrifying like holding him up with the train and it's like really memorable stuff whereas i haven't seen this like you obviously finished it recently but i'm trying to even remember what it ends on is of levy getting killed by mark right in like a pool of game and he's like oh i'm so sad because i had to kill someone even if it was self-defense i've got blood on my hand figuratively and literally well and then they do a like 10,000th song break, you know? We're going to do a little montage over a pre-existing song.

It's like, okay, you know, now that you've done it so many times, even in the ones that would otherwise feel okay, I'm irritated because now it just seems like you're just doing it. Like, it just seems like a trope now. Like, oh, another song break. There were two I liked. I liked the one of, from the perspective of his mother and then like the equivalent kind of montage of his father in a different

episode. You know, the one we's like looking over the space and yeah, I thought those were the two good uses of that, but outside of that. Too frequent. I hear what you're saying. Yeah. It really just seemed bullshit. It seems like a, I don't know, a way

you can get around some animation stuff, you know, to animate vocals or specific movements you can be a bit more abstract, but... Or just trim the fucking season and half. Like, if if, if, if they're, you know, This is the slowest part of the story.

Include a bit of issue three. Like, I don't know if they're doing a direct translation of like issue one, issue two, or like how they're doing it. They really restructed, especially the first chunk. Yeah, take a bit more from later and put it in season two. And then don't fucking split it in the mid-season, especially when like you haven't set up anything to give anybody any reason to care about, like, coming back to it. Like, nobody fucking talking about it. It doesn't give you a good impression that the. scale of the story is growing, because that's another thing that comics do is that as it goes

along, the scale is so big by the end. It's like, this is so cool. Like the progression from the beginning to the end where it's really not selling that as well in the show, but again, it is just more of a lull, kind of slower section of the story that will have payoffs that you weren't expecting. Hopefully. Well, yeah, if they adapt it, well. We've got a bad track record so far with Robert Kirkman television show adaptations.

So I'm just hoping we don't get another one of the... True. I believe he has a lot more creative control over this one. I would hope he does after that debacle. I think it's like his studio or something that has some very direct... You like own something, so I don't know. You'd hope they'd do it right. And the whole thing is complete and finish and has a bow on it.

so there's no excuse for not adapting it well, you know? It's not like a Game of Throne situation where it's going to run out or... It would be funny if Amazon just canceled it for no reason. I'm kind of scared, like, to be honest. Especially if season two didn't connect, like how many viewers did it go? Oh, I'm not sure. I'm sure it's one of their top shows either way. So how far into the entire comic are we at the end of season two?

I would say to do it properly, there should be about five seasons. I would say season two is like the end of compendium one of three so yeah about two seasons per

compendium would about make sense so five or six seasons yeah all right well it's gonna get so expensive like I don't know how they're gonna animate some of this stuff but

I want to see them try you know you know there's a there's an Amazon original show called Sausage Party Food Topia Oh yeah I've seen the trailer

And I watched it And I'm like I'm genuinely shocked Because you can tell how much money they spent on it It could have just been a sequel movie It's eight episodes They've got so much

Like every single fucking Like licensed music They've got the entire original castback So like Seth Rogen Michael Sarah Yeah Everybody

Like literally everybody's back I'm like what really like I thought just the spin-off nature of it You'd just replace some of the voice actors Because you're clearly paying them a lot of money And then you look on IMDB It's just like okay nobody watched this As I was like

Going through the show and Checking on the Wikipedia It's like whoever was updating the full episode descriptions Like stopped after episode two I'm like wow even the Wikipedia Person didn't finish this But What

I thought the whole joke with the original sausage party was like kind of how cruelly made it was and you know the animators in particular so I wonder what they paid the animators on this show I mean the animator doesn't sorry the animation doesn't look as clean as the film but you know yeah of course not and even then the the film looked pretty rough for memory yeah so I guess like Seth Rogan is just producing a shit ton of Amazon shows I'm sorry he's two major ones he's got something to do with this as well yeah and Vince I mean. He's a producer of Invincible.

He's a producer of the boys. Producer of Saus Party. He's a real, he's a Bezos buddy. A bit of a monopoly going on. Yeah. Let's go, yeah. That's probably why he was allowed to do sausage party then. That's probably why.

Did he even write, did he write this? Did he give of his shit about this show? Like, it doesn't even say, the, uh, the spin-off show, I mean, Food Topia, I'm talking about. Yeah, like, I'm pretty sure that's his... Like, I'm looking on the, I'm looking on the MDB and doesn't even say he wrote it. Like, how can I find... God, they even got Edward Norton back.

I'm sure he had a lot to do with it. I have a... It feels like something that... Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg, Carl Hunter, yeah. He produced, probably. Wow. This must be like a weekend jobby for them, you know? They smoke a bunch of joints and just say,

these are eight episodes of this bullshit. He glams on. Wouldn't it be cool if food could talk and fuck again? And they say swear words and they get eat. Especially say swear words. That's like the main joke. Wouldn't it be cool if food said fuck? All right.

Invincible Season 2, do you give it a rating? I would say like fucking 5 out of 10. It brought my entire series rating down. I wouldn't go that low. This would be more like a maybe like a 7. Damn. That's pretty good. Yeah, because I didn't find it to be, I was still watching it episode by episode.

I'm still into what it was building. It's just like this definitely is not good to season one. I didn't mention the voice acting, but I really think it's very good, especially from Yun in the lead role. I really love his voice work. Big voice, Steve. Cut above, I feel like. Yeah.

But yeah, I'm kind of putting a pin on in that. If it was like canceled now, I'd be like, I guess, I guess you just watch season one. I'm just, I guess my point is there's a lack of passion overall from season two. that has its moments like what it's building yeah like I hope they didn't just destroy interest in the entire thing if it does get better and satisfying yeah there's a chance they could spit it around they do it right but that's if they do it right yeah they got food topeas got uh Seth Rogen Kristen Wig Edward Norton Michael Sarah like fucking everybody isn't that weird

Food Topia gets a three out of ten from me, by the way. Anybody curious? Oh, did you watch the whole thing? I did, actually. Damn, that's good. And it was more engaging than Invincible Season 2. It was refreshing. I refuse to believe that.

No, because it was in the first... Oh, yeah, you should... I think if you watched the first episode, you'd be binge watching it in like a hate watching way like I did. It winds up getting, like, not as entertaining in the second half as in, like, okay, this is almost just feels like a real show. But still, like, the writing is, like, basically, like, kids show writing, except it's not for kids. Right. But the first few episodes are, like, hate watch material in, like, a fun way. Okay.

Like, I can't believe this exists kind of way. Yeah, it's irritating. But funny. Like, it's, it's, I was. not bored it was it was refreshing after seeing invincible season two interesting interesting

I might check out an episode did you say it's on Amazon Prime like invincible so okay so I got no excuse all right we watched long legs a long leg

and my legs are long yes my legs are long and they're very very, very long. Yes, they're very, very long. I'm getting scared. That's the theme song. Scareing me. You're scaring me. It was shit. It was shit. It was bad. Man, this just feels like, what did I say? It was a few episodes ago. I brought up the Babadook and described something as Babadooking it.

I feel like this kind of goes in that bucket. A big hyped up horror movie of the year where the advertising campaign is kind of the main feature of it. And that's where most of the best creative or at least creepy horror ideas were, like in the ARG that they have people doing and all this crazy advertising they're doing for it. I remember the trailer quite well. But yeah, then you actually watched the movie. I wouldn't call it total shit like you did. There were some things I liked about it, but I feel like it nosedives and destroys everything that it's set up in the first half.

And it can't really pick a lane. It's like, oh yeah, we're going to be like Zodiac or Seven to start with with this serious procedural FBI kind of creepy serial killer thing. And then by the end, it's like morphed into a Mike Flanagan like horror movie or something. So, and not in a satisfying way. It feels like, no. Oh. Because you've got options, you know. So is this going to be a fantastical like answer to this?

Is this going to be just, is it just a serial killer? Is this a seven situation? Like how much fancy we're going to delve into here with this horror? What the answer is going to be? Are you going to be a hereditary? Or yeah, are you going to be a silence of the lambs? Yeah, it just tries to be both and it isn't very good at being either? Nope.

And honestly, maybe the biggest, like, oh, this, no, this ain't for me moment was, I can't remember exactly how far it is into the film, but is when Nick Cage is like in the car singing. Yeah. And it's supposed to be like this big moment of like, okay, we've been obscuring him this whole time. Now you get to properly experience him without cutting away. Look how intense this is. And that was, you know, another thing with the advertising.

Like people are passing out. You know, people are, they're losing it to long legs. They're getting so overwhelmed by long legs because they feel scary it is. This movie rides off of the marketing. Hard. And even then I was reading that. The reason it kind of wound up being as creative and cool as it was was because the director kind of asked, can we like not rely on Nick Cage being in this as a marketing beat?

So they had to get creative. Oh. That doesn't really reflect the film, you know? Yeah. That Nick Cage to me was so, like, distracting, so tonally off it felt. It felt like from a different style of movie, this guy just comes in. And I couldn't help but just see Nick. Nick Cage has been great in things that don't take themselves as seriously

when he's going to go full Nick Cage and go crazy screaming, right? Like, you generally want those types of movies to be something like, I don't know, Mandy. Face off. Or Face Off. Or, like, something where there's, like, a self-awareness to the fact that, oh, he's a kind of goofy guy. Right? Uh-huh. This has, this lacks that self-awareness.

And definitely. It's one of those things where it's like, even if I didn't know it was Nick Cage and I had no association with him, it would still be cringe. I would still be cringing at that part. He's kind of cringe. Yeah, it's not, it's just not scary. It's too much. It's not at all.

Because at first I did kind of like the obscure way they were presenting it. I did kind of like the opening. It was like, oh, I put my long legs on. There was something creepy about that and cutting when his head just gets in frame and And I liked that kind of stuff, that style to it. There's a really thick atmosphere to the movie, at least for the first half, before it's, like, shattered. It's trying. Because I was, yeah, the intrigue was there for me, where it's like, more so, well, how are they going to explain this?

It's kind of an interesting question mark as to, there's a serial killer. There are people die in, in unexplainable ways. There's this main character who is, yeah, pretty flat and uninteresting. But where's this going to go? I feel like a lot of horror movies fall into this where they present an interesting quandary but the way they wrap it up is just like you've just lost all of it

a la Babadook or something yeah just too predictable because there's such a small pool of characters in the movie and it's like the whole story is hey there's a serial killer that has this pattern to his killings and

surprise surprise the characters that were introduced fit into this pattern that the serial killer works behind so then when it starts hitting the fan towards the end it's like well this is so unbelievably obvious to anyone who's seen a movie before like I'm not feeling intense

I'm not like surprised by this his main character's flat like what part of this am I supposed to be loving outside of like a jump scare or whatever I found the main character uninteresting at first and then over the course of the film I'm like oh she's like kind of autistic

and then it became a bit more interesting for me, but that's what I thought, that's where I thought they were going too, but I wanted to see that expanded more. I want to see, because obviously her, they have to kind of keep her arm's length of the first half of the story because of her direct involvement in it being so like gargantuan and that being like the way it's revealed. But yeah, it just, I don't know if it was the performance, if it was the way she was written. It was very one note to me. Even though I get what you're saying, I thought maybe they were going to delve into that a bit more about her mother's a major character in the movie and if that was going to be partially why she carries herself the way she does or I don't know there was something I was missing from that that performance or at least the way it was written yeah there's yeah I mean like it tries to have a style which is good the cinematography is good for the most part there's some really really really really bad child acting and of course they do the whole lazy route with trying to acting and it's like oh they're just they're just gonna be weird and quiet like every

child also has autism in a horror movie I guess like I don't know right yeah and it's still yeah just terribly performed and then like the whole like Nick Cage's character his whole he's like a Satanist it's all feeding into this like satanic panic thing from the 90s I guess it's set earlier in the 90s but he's like I'm the creepy guy who makes dolls and I embody the dolls with Satan's energy and that's kind of the reveal as to how this has been happening. I've seen this kind of thing done well, this like cults and this hereditary link to it in hereditary. You know, I've seen this.

I feel like I've seen this movie a million times in a million different ways that are just so much better that really exist. Yeah. It doesn't really serve a purpose existing as a film. and I kind of knew the marketing was really interesting creative, building up a lot of hype.

A lot of people were hyped for this. I love neon. They produce or distribute a lot of really great films. But also I had the thing in my mind where I've seen slash tried to watch other movies from this director

and never connected with a single one of them. Yeah, I'm not familiar. Oz Perkins. Got few. I kind of knew that this was coming. Yeah, people, I don't see, here's the weird thing about it. So his other movies don't even have like high IMDB ratings or anything. Black Coat's daughter, 5.9.

I am the pretty thing that lives in the house, 4.6, right? Gretel and Hansel 5.5. Nothing he's made has been like well received, but there's been enough people that really enjoy them that I, you know, word has gotten to me and just been like, oh, you got to check this one out sort of thing. And I've never connected with a single one of them. Have you seen all of those? None of them are. I haven't seen Gretel and Hansel. I've tried to watch the Black Coats daughter and I am the pretty thing that lives in the house.

Could not tell you if I finished them because that's how memorable they are. It was just not connecting with me at all. I literally don't know if I finished them or not. And so I kind of knew going into this one, I'm like, okay. Unless neon has some magic powers here, I don't know if I'm going to super connect to this. one as well. And I mean like it was definitely more watchable than the other two that I've seen, but just it really just, it's boring, it's not scary, it's not interesting, like made me mildly interesting at some points, but yeah, as you said, other movies have done everything that it's

doing way better and are just more of a complete piece. It really fizzles out. Some really annoying editing choices too or like I guess just like scare choices so some people were even saying before I was able to see this movie people were saying like oh yeah it doesn't it's not scary in the traditional sense it's like haunting and creepy but then they do have like dumb fucking jump scare moments they still do like the doll's eyes opening at the end of the scene like wham like come on that's like one of the dumbest fucking cheesiest laziest that was that was maybe the worst um scares in the movie yeah that's that's that's that's incredibly obnoxious. I don't understand how people

think that's okay. And it wasn't even linked to like an escalation in the horror. Like I thought, oh, is the dog gonna like get up or something? Is that where we're going? No, it's just never acknowledged. It's just, it's literally just for the audience. It's just for the audience. Yeah. Oh my God. Somebody wrote the dumbest fucking post

on my subreddit like three months ago or something. It was like a quote from Alfred Hitchcock and he was talking about like the difference between showing a scene where the audience knows that there's a ticking time bomb underneath a table while there's two people having a conversation versus if you're just watching the scene and you have the same information as the characters and the bomb explodes.

So that's an example of, oh, there's information for the audience that the characters don't know, but it's useful and beneficial and adds tension. But whoever made this fucking post assumed that whenever I complain about something only being for the audience in a horror film, that that's like, an equivalency, whereas something like this, it's like, no, that's not, it doesn't matter in the film at all. And the character, it doesn't affect the characters, right? So in the strangers, this is like the most common one that I've criticized this type of thing happening is like, oh, the characters are just teleporting around in the background. They never interact with the characters. It's literally just for the audience. It doesn't, it doesn't add to the scene. It doesn't benefit anything. It's the same as like, this happened so many times in a lot of bad

horror movies. I think mirrors this happened, but there's a bunch of them where like the end of a scene it'll be like a ghost just jump scares the camera and then is never acknowledged again. Just like, boo! I'm gonna do scary face of the camera. Like that's what I'm

fucking talking about. You dumb shit. Unsubscribe. Get out of here. Yeah, get out. You fucking idiot. Yeah, this movie was not special. Yeah, I was surprised by that. Because in the ads and whatnot, it seemed like, oh, maybe you understand the concept of restraint.

No. But it seemed more like maybe for the first section of the movie. There's a little bit of restraint the way they're cutting around things. And honestly, anytime it did start getting into the realm of being like tense or scary or have that atmosphere for me, all I was thinking about was like, man, remember that scene in Zodiac towards the end where Jillen Hall's like in that basement? and there's the most tense, horrifying scene. And it's so memorable. And you're like on the edge of you see.

And mind hunted is similar things with tension with. Yeah, I got to finish that. Like using this creepiness and this emptiness to, I don't know, it's giving a lot of credit to the audience for the fear. Like, and it's almost getting there at points. But it just misses it each time. Like early on where it is doing the like kind of cliche, oh, there's something sort of.

moving in the background that you maybe saw, maybe you didn't see. I kind of like that within do, I don't know, a sprinkling of it. And it's okay at the beginning. And you get to that scene where she's like broken into and the message is left. And it just starts feeling like, oh, we're doing this horror movie thing where people are just, I don't know, they'd be acting crazy. It doesn't feel like it's, I don't know, as you're saying, it feels like more just structuring things for the audience instead of like to pay off a character or building

story or like this serial killer thing is actually going to go somewhere like it's kind of a mess to me in that respect like especially on a rewatch i feel like this would seriously not work you know like all of my positives were that yeah because it's a bunch of blueballing and trying to figure out what the fuck's going on which is i mean what the marketing is is like the mystique yeah of the film is like you got to check out what long legs is you got to see what the fuck it is right yeah It's the mystery box thing. Yeah. The movie I recommended also does like a mystery box thing.

People just, they want, they want to know. What is the question? What's the answer to the question mark? And I'm there for that, but man, we're going to be there again. I want to know. Have you ever seen The rain? The rain, or the ring? The rain.

I was quoting lyrics from Credence Clearwater Revival. That's a good song. Sorry. Oh, I see. No, that just went way of my head. It's like searching up. be called the rain. Fuxa.

So, okay, spoiler talk, I guess. Was the implication at the end that like literally just everyone was possessed? Yeah, right?

Like the dull controlled the dad and then the same thing that happened all the other places happened again, right? Okay. Is there any reason why the main character isn't also possessed in that scene?

Like, I'm just not sure how it works. There was some, there was some rule with the doll and like the head gets smashed and this like black dust like fills the air? Was that one of the rules to it? Like honestly the rules were just not interesting to me past a certain point once the, there's that specific moment, the tension is alleviated and then you're kind of like, oh.

Yeah. Right. Okay. I can just follow this with the others. Okay. If somebody understands that, please type a comment because I'm genuinely curious. Hail Satan reminds me of another movie

Rosemary's Baby where that line is and it's a much better film also very different movie but you know yeah very disposable and forgettable unfortunately

the marketing was the most interesting aspect four out of ten get out of here why was the last act show so short or like act three and then it's over in like five minutes Because it had like title cars, didn't it?

And it had like segments. Yeah, it did wrap up quick. Yeah, I don't know. It just seemed all over the place to me very derivative. I was even thinking of like black phone, stuff like that, like recently, you know, serial killer. It's just kind of just very forgettable. I just feel like we get one of these at least a year, kind of. That horror movie that has that reputation, people making TikToks about how their grandma died when they went to see it, whatever.

I peeped my pants. Yeah, I shit myself watching long legs. Yeah, I don't mean. This is like a 2.5, or 2 and a half stars, or 5 out of 10 for me. I feel like this, this atmosphere and this style presenting a better script could be interesting, could be fun.

There's not nothing going on here. It's more like, man, I wish it was that miscasting of Cage Seems like a big, a big one for me. And just, yeah, all these strands that seem to just contradict each other or don't compliment each other. Yeah, honestly, just I've really not thought about this movie since seeing it a couple weeks ago whenever I did. Yeah. I don't know if this one's going to be in the history books for like great horror films particularly. I mean, people will put it there.

Yeah. Yes. I mean, people, it's, it's doing very well. It's my hell. a lot of money reviewing well. So I don't know, get Long Legs trilogy, probably. I don't know. They're going to, I mean, like, uh, Oz Perkins is going to work with neon again and do a

Stephen King novel adaptation. So maybe it actually might work out a bit better next time. Okay. The monkey or something. I don't, I don't remember. Right. Again, like we've had so many Stephen King adaptations too. So that's not even a bankable necessarily.

Either way. Fuck it. F it, long legs. Making my long legs feel short with this one. Yeah, more like short legs. Yeah. Fribe. It's time to talk about a sex movie because it's 169.

Nice. Yes, and as soon as you mentioned that, I got something unprecedented to introduce this with. if you don't mind. I am so ready. Because, uh, what, this is a film, Belle de jour. Yes. From 1967 from a famous, important Spanish director who I am not familiar with.

Um, but if you don't mind, I want to read, um, a kind of forward by one of the users on the side on the car subreddit who wrote quite a good like intro. Sure. How do you feel about that? Yeah. I read that too, and then I realized I had actually seen one of his shorts. Oh, sweet, yeah, because I had the same experience. So, yeah, I'll just read, it's like a couple paragraphs.

Gives a bit of context to this director, but I don't think either of us are particularly familiar with, but quite storied. So let me just read this from 2.30 a.m. cowboy. Info about Belle de Jure, well, Louis, one well, preference. I'm sorry about all the European names I'm about to butcher. Yeah, some mix of French and Spanish names in here. Right. Lewis Bonwell is a Spanish filmmaker who over the course of his nearly five decade career directed in three different languages, four different countries, and several different genres,

but has always remained true to his extremely satirical and uncompromising style art film as a whole, but particularly surrealism, movies that break down their own rules. definitely would not exist, or at least in the same way, without his contributions that go all the way back to the beginning of his career. His first short, one of the most famous shorts of all time and a collaboration with Salvador Dali, Onchien Andalo, 1929. I'll pause it there because you just mentioned that too. Yes. I had seen this before.

Same. I like Dali Zart a lot, but I didn't realize there was this kind of crossover. So discovering this was fun. you can find it on YouTube and I went on there and went through it, especially to see the eyeball shot that's quite infamous. Did you have the same thing happen? Like it refreshed your memory? Yeah.

It's quite a famous short. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen it. A few times, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what, 1929.

So it apparently pretty much changed the game in its opening minute when Ronell himself sliced an eyeball open on film. No one had seen anything like this for a movie at the time. of its release and it would shot people for decades to come. From there his career kind of tanked for a while, to no fault of his own, really. In the mid-30s, during the Spanish Civil War, he was hired basically as a censor for the Spanish propaganda machine until he was essentially sent on a work trip to the US, during which the war ended. The fascists took over and he was completely unable to return to Spain. After trying and failing to make ends meet in the America, he hit an amazing run of fairly

low budget films he made in Mexico, which tended to focus on themes of wealth, inequality, abuse and female discrimination. What would also become clear over the years were his very strong feelings towards the Catholic Church. In fact, the very first adaptation of the 120 days of Sodom story while Marquis de Sade in cinema long before Selo actually took place in one sequence in Buenos Wales' debut feature from 1930, except the abuse is committed by the Catholic Church instead of French libertines,

or Italian fascists in Selo's case. Anyway, during the 50s, movies like illusion travels by streetcar, Yes, that's what it's called. The Young Ones, very disturbing movie, and the young and the damned are all fantastic and very thematically timeless. But it wasn't until the 60s where he would reconnect with his surrealist roots. And we would basically see all of his shades of filmmaking combining into this beautiful way towards the end of his career. And that's where Belle de Jure comes in.

I'll take over now because I appreciate that context. That actually does kind of package up this director and kind of make you understand what's important. about him. Of course, me kind of just plucking this from a hat with the 69 being in the episode. I'm like, let's find a movie about sex. And I really wasn't expecting something this, like, impressive and deep and progressive, especially for 1967 with some of the complex ideas and characters they're presenting. The basic idea is an upper class woman, a proper lady. A proper lady. starts having infatuation with the idea of becoming a prostitute, basically. And through the course of the movie is a series of her delving more into her fantasies.

And it's a question to the audience whether what's real, how much is dream, how much is fantasy. And yeah, man, how do we feel about this one? Because I was pleasantly surprised. You never know what you're going to get. from some of these movies like that. This is going to be something I appreciate more than like? Like, what are we doing with here? Yeah, it's a healthy mix of both for me.

I was, I was into it the whole time. I found it very interesting. Very interesting. I was never bored. Yeah. And, uh, I guess, I don't know, spoiler discussion. It goes in a very interesting direction where it kind of like culminates in the end. I was like, oh, I was actually not expecting.

this um to turn into i love the structure actually with like after that first act is kind of out the way and she's cemented as this she's going daily during when her husband isn't home to be a prostitute or whatever and the way it's presented is through it's like five or six different customers that are almost like these little vignettes that say something or bring something out of this character um in a really interesting way and says a lot about like the gender dynamics that are at play, the idea of sex work and the implications of sex work and the idea of like the fantasy and desire and making it reality and who might suffer as a result of that. Yeah, I want to mention the

difference between these five different customer the right term, I guess. Yeah. Patrons. Patron. Yeah. But they really run the whole gambit and explore the concept with the first one. He's this high-class millionaire man. You get the gynecologist as the second one, which I feel like is intentional. Third is a rich businessman who can't speak English.

And he has this, I was getting it earlier in the episode. He has this mystery box and this bell ringing. Really interesting, weird scene that. is one of the main things that people are like obsessed with with this movie. I guess JJ Abrams like saw that and was like, oh, hell yeah, that's, I'm going to make that my whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. And then the fourth guy was this Duke.

He was like, yeah, he rides in a wagon. And it kind of turns into this weird, dead daughter, rotting heart, cannibalism. Like, what is going on there? with the whole gambit of like these customers and they will kind of follow this through line of the they represent something powerful we tend to be wealthy the the way they speak about women or whatever could be vile um but they were all like very watchable and like all very yeah interesting characters and all very all very different from one another so the things that each one of these scenes is bringing out is consistently like a different angle to explore or some kind of concept that's fun to play around with, with the fifth one being this criminal who kind of fulfills the, she's having fantasies throughout the movie or dreams.

It's kind of a question and interpreted up to the audience, which way you can look at it, I guess. But like the opening scene kind of tricks you with this, this corny love dialogue, they're on this carriage. And it's like, oh, is it, okay, is it going to be that kind of movie? I guess, but it quickly turns into her getting like tied up to a tree and getting assaulted, basically. And then it's revealed that it's a dream.

And this is kind of like an ongoing through line is these ideas of like, it's this fantasy something I want. How far am I going to go to make this reality? And by the time this criminal character comes along, yeah, it's kind of giving her more of the what she might think she wants. And then as you're kind of getting at with where that goes, where it concludes, with basically the husband getting shot as a result of this

criminal who gets too infatuated yeah it's quite a dark place to end the story it's a dark film I'd say overall it's what it's saying I feel like in the open ending

that it goes with the director he's been asked many a time in this loads of interviews where he's just like yes whatever you want I'm not going to give you answers fuck you, which I like. There's many ways to interpret the way it ends with all these like threads,

these surrealist, confusing, fancy threads coming together in a way that really kind of accentuates. Oh, is this like the point where she's kind of gone? She can't distinguish between these things anymore, like in order to live with this world she's kind of created for herself. It was a very, very, like, haunting presentation in the ending, too, especially with those, like, sounds coming in. But it's not, it's not coming from an angle of judgment over, either for that main character, which is another thing I like.

They give her a lot of complexity with these, again, open to interpret little flashes of what might be dreams, what might be elements of her past that if you put two and two together, might help explain some of this behavior. where some of these thoughts might be coming from, that she's willing to indulge. Again, kind of complex ideas for the film from 67, like the way it's, you know, all these female characters, the way they're talking, the way the concepts they're exploring are very unflinching and comedic and aware it wasn't anticipating either, especially with that dialogue. Like after that, the silly dialogue in that opening dream sequence, they really turn it around and kind of flex.

like yeah I think it's based on a book too so there's a lot of concepts and dialogue thrown in there so a lot to chew on if you're like there was a line earlier in the film when I forget his name but like one of their mutual frenzy's like threatening to tell Pierre about her secret yeah yeah and she was saying she would like throw herself off the balcony And then at the end of the film, she's like at the balcony, like at the very end. And I'm wondering if maybe there's a connection between those things. Like we're supposed to wonder if like she did that or is planning on doing that or. Yeah.

Because it's a very dreamlike open ending with the, it's like, no, there's very little, I don't think there's any like score or music in the film. But they do use sounds in interesting ways like in that scene. where there's this kind of uncomfortable jingling of the horse carriage, it kind of rises in the background that's returning to that opening shot of the movie. It begins and ends kind of on the same shot of this horse and carriage. And the jingling bells that kind of give you this uneasy, dreamlike feeling. I think starting and ending there is awesome because it bubbles up to this kind of quandary of, this disabled guy who has disabled the husband character after being shot a bunch of times

because of this whole mess that's been created. Is she going to tell him? Is someone going to inform him? It's kind of this open-ended question that is, the full stop is that, like, the answer that question doesn't really matter because, look at the mess they're already in. So, like, getting more answers at that point in the story

wouldn't really be impactful. So kind of merging the more abstract stuff with this literal story feels like a good open way to end it you know it's like the the inverse of a long legs feels like I you're you're playing with this concept you're you know when to end it you know how to end it it feels like a complete you know you're putting the bell on it yeah it's it's something that you know unlike the other things we mentioned today it's something that I feel like I would get more out of on a repeated viewing I could see myself coming back to this

sure. And, you know, as with anything that I feel that there's more to interpret from, it's not just, oh, there's more there. It's, there's more there. Plus, it's interesting. Plus, there's, like, a reason why I would want to continue going through it. Yeah. The, uh, Madame Anayi was a very interesting, great character as well. Yeah. the the guy who who winds up becoming like too attached is like such a fucking greasy little anime jojo villain straight up he's he's very cartoony that coat with that with the stuff thing with the knife oh yeah I like that reveal like he was just walking around with the can and he's like oh no it's it's a weapon okay yeah that was funny the the criminal aspect was like, oh, I wasn't expecting to get like any action scenes or shootouts or anything quite like that, to be honest. And that was one of the things I noted down was the way they wrap up that character when he gets shot and there is that shootout. I was thinking of that loach film we did, but it's like, oh, man, you got like an action scene in here that's clearly not the director's like passion or strength.

It's like, oh, this is kind of messy. The audio editing is all over the place. This is kind of clunky, this little seam right here, like the way it ends, so like a way it came together. But the rest of the movie doesn't really have, there's some interesting, like, cuts and edits for sure, but it doesn't, it didn't have anything that stood out to me that was quite that like, okay, this was made in 67 type stuff. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was really well shot for the time. The only things that I would say were dated to me was, like, some of the sound effects were really old sounding and also just, like, like the way that they were edited into the film.

You could kind of like hear some of them like abruptly cut at some points, like the gunshot sound effect. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, pretty easy to forgive. Yeah, it was really interesting because I, the, um, the way the story was flowing. I was like, oh, wow, this is actually, it's, it's unique in handling the subject matter in the sense that like, despite obviously very disturbing things happening, it doesn't really feel

like too exploitative. Yeah. And it doesn't feel too, you know, explicitly graphic or anything. Like a lot of things are applied rather than shown. Mm-hmm. And then there's also the conversation of, you know, like, I wonder how much of that had to do with just it being 1967. Like, this is, this was probably the most, you know, one of the most, like, sexually explicit

movies at the time, despite not showing sex, but just dealing with, like, the subject matter. This would be very boundary pushing, yeah. And even then I found some stuff about the lead, Catherine De Nive. In an interview with her in 2004, she revealed that making the film wasn't a terribly positive experience for her. She felt that the director had been isolated from the actors by the producers and there had been a breakdown in communication as a result. She felt very exposed in every sense of the word, she said, but very exposed physically, which caused me distressed. I felt they showed more of me than they'd said they were going to. There were moments when I felt totally used.

I was very unhappy. Yeah, kind of interesting to read. That's a while after the facts. I think interviews around the time were kind of the inverse with what she was saying, because obviously it's like a big career film for her. Obviously, time is going to,

I don't know, you can just be more honest, perhaps. Yeah. What do you get? She was in, I think, was that her in repulsion, like two years or a, earlier? Yeah, that was. And she was in dancer in the dark as well.

Yeah. I mean, she continues to do work today. What I found kind of interesting watching this is just knowing and understanding her as kind of like a legacy actress. Yeah. Seeing how she's kind of adapted with the times in her performance, because a lot of, you know, older performances are, you know, a bit more like stage acty in, the way that words are said. And it's really interesting seeing a legacy actor adapt to that

and kind of change and what's the word? Perfect their performance over time to deal with modern filmmaking. Because she's still great today. But she acts incredibly different today than she did in the 60s. So I found that really interesting. Yeah, it's a completely different time.

The dynamics between men and women, even a just entirely different. Oh, yeah. They were when this film was made. And speaking of, you said the word legacy. There was a part on the Wikipedia that stood out to me on Legacy, where there was a huge show in the UK called Secret Diary of a Cool Girl, based on a London escort who named herself Belle de Jure as like her pen name.

Yeah, there was this huge TV series with Billy Piper. that was huge in the UK, which has a weird link to this. It's quite a, it's like your, your favorite director's favorite film type thing. Hitchcock loves it, Scorsese loves it. Scorsesey played a big hand in the distribution, I believe, of the film, like getting, because it's very easy for me to find, which can't be said for a lot of films from, like, the 60s. There's a lot of stuff from, like, before, like, 2010, pretty much. It's, like, kind of a coin flip.

Am I going to be able to find this easily or not? Yeah. So that was cool. There's clearly, yeah, a lot of appreciation and love and respect for this film. And I'm glad I could see it and respond and react to it in the same level as everybody else. I just, I love when I get unexpected comedy or cleverness in, especially when it's in something so dark, as you're saying. It really, with what it's playing with, the places it goes, the dialogue really does

it makes it just flow so much better when they're talking to the cabby he's like the main woman is she's talking about she just learned about the idea of brothels she's like there's no way that can exist right there's no way people actually do this and of course the cabby jumps in

at the funniest moments say that I can promise you they exist and this kind of thing I love the there's like a discussion with the four characters at the table. And this is like, I've been mentioning these dream sequences,

these surreal scenes. There's an awesome dream sequence where they're at this table. And just like in dreams you can recall, just this quite surreal, abstract, dream-like behavior starts happening. Like this guy smashes a bottle and holds it to the main character's neck

and they go under the table and the table starts rising, but you can't see it. what's going on and then the husband characters are you you look and describe what's happening it's like I've mentioned it before but when I love the way films explore dreams and like because it is such a unique unexplainable kind of human experience and such a I don't know it can be so overwhelming so confusing being able to translate that into visuals and filmmaking is off-putting and creepy and man

Yeah, there's a few good dinner scenes or discussion at table scenes. Yeah, is that all you care for scene? The guy you mentioned, their friend who winds up going to the brothel later on. And even though he was all into this character when he saw her as this innocent, kind of untouched thing, when he finds out that she's a prostitute, he changes his ways on her. And it's like, you're not really attracted to me anymore. I really like you because you're quote unquote pure, whatever. Should you feel like, yep, just feeds into each one of these characters,

like the five customers I mentioned, each one of these is a kind of a fucked up concept or idea. Yeah. To do with this subject matter. He has that character I'm talking about has a horrible line where he's like, I love the atmosphere, women, completely enslaved. Like he says that like verbatim, like as when he's talking about like why he loves brothels and so, man. You know, you're not like trying to hide that at all, huh? It's just how it is. Yeah, great character study. A lot of great camera work. Yeah, I would say so. Actually. There's some shots that I really like. It's quite vibrant. It's moving around a lot. Even though it's, you know, most of these scenes of people just kind of talking. There is a lot of intention and like great timing to the way. People are using the space and moving around. Yeah, a lot of great intention to that.

Yeah, it's structured really, really well from, like, an editing and, you know, just general cinematography perspective. Yeah. One of my favorite shots is when she's, like, nervously or, like, compulsively, like, wedging her fingers, like, in this tiny gap on, like, the table. just the focus on her hand to just show her state of mind at that time, which I really like. Yeah, they do a bunch of good expressive stuff like that. Like one of the, is it a flashback, is it a dream sequences where it seems to be her as a little girl in a Catholic church, right, being offered the bread, but the little girl is, she's kind of shaking her head and doesn't want to open her mouth,

which is like quite a quite an expressive like visual with no words being communicated. It's like, oh, that's definitely spliced in there with intention and you're supposed to take away something from that and the implications are like heavy and the way it's affecting the character now and the way it all links together is

that's what I'm saying. It's quite a complex character we're dealing with at the heart of this. Yeah. Very. It has to be complex. Otherwise it wouldn't be interesting if it was just like too straightforward. Like that's the intrigue.

Yeah. And stuff like, yeah. Like the lack of music I feel like really helps with that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Thanks for mentioning that. If it had a big corny, sacchar and score. Yeah.

Man, it would really undercut. The lack of music is like one of the parts about it that really helps my experience is that it's not like explicitly telling you how to feel about a certain scene. Because it's dealing with a lot of like weird, complicated shit. exactly I know it avoids it trying to be too like big or yeah

all these weird like role play fetish scenes which is like you don't expect to see in a movie in 67 especially no

that's yeah that's what I'm saying into this whole like you are going to be my dead daughter uh huh and he doesn't even really particularly want

to touch her and he's like jerking off under the yeah that's some everybody's got a weird fucking thing. Maybe not everybody.

Yeah, and the like dominatrix scene where he's like, no, you suck of being a dominatrix. Go and get my regular, like, get out of you. I want step-e. He loves the gynecologist. Yeah, yeah. He has this suitcase and it's like an entire arsenal of just like all these different roles.

Like, okay, am I going to be doctor? Am I going to be the bellboy? Yeah, yeah. It's fun. It's fun. And a lot of movies like even today are just like afraid of showing these types of things, right? Just out of fear that they're showing something like either too explicit or too like complicated. Just making people uncomfortable.

Yeah. Yeah, that explicit nature, the taboo subject matter. Just being so so open and honest about the exploring fetishes even for a film from 67. It's got that X rating. But you don't, yeah, you don't really see much nudity or anything. as you're saying like direct sex scenes is mostly implied and I love it that way to be honest that's I wouldn't have it any other way I feel like it explores the sexual themes very well without needing to go beyond some minor nudity which was nothing for a French

film really what do you think is what do you think is overall saying jeez to you I don't know if I'm prepared to like know if there's like an explicit message that I'm supposed to get out of it. There's not. It's very like open for interpretation yeah. What you can interpret from it is yeah it's open. I did like how the film began and ended with the same line as well that line being

what are you thinking about how do you say her name? Severin. I forget her name. Hold on. It's just how you... Severine. I don't know how you say.

Just the main character, isn't it? Severine. With the idea... Severine. Yeah, with the idea being what are you thinking about kind of make you think like

feeding into the fancy idea, the dream, the... This is from her perspective, how is she an unreliable narrator? There is a part where she randomly does have narration on that scene on the beach. She's talking about her inner conflict and I think it's the only scene that has narration

in the entire movie. There's a bunch of stuff like that. I'm with you. There's clearly a lot of intent to it and yeah, I haven't fully broken it down or, got an ultimate interpretation of, oh, that's the answer to this or anything, but my mind is racing and that's usually a good sign. Mm-hmm.

True. All right. Uh, eight out of 10 for me. I was debating between a seven and eight. I think this conversation solidified it. Oh, well, yeah. This was a strong eight for me. Yeah.

Yeah. Full stuff for me. Quite surprised and intrigued by other films from this filmmaker. Because that's quite a backstory in history there, especially with these, well, these kind of, I was thinking about like horror movies a lot, even though I wouldn't call this a horror movie really in any way. For some reason I was thinking about like possession and these weird like Antichrist or even birth I was thinking about where it's more just playing with. Yeah, unreliable, fantastical what is going on here? Like what is real?

Even like poor things with the sex work kind of angle and the women main characters and exploring. The female perspective. Yeah, really unique, really ahead of its time, I feel like. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out. Bam, bum, bum, ba'am, da da da da da da.

All right, question time. Hell yeah. Let's do some questions then from the sub-dunercast community. Head over to the suggestion thread over on the subreddit to leave for future episodes. Um, mushroom party 52 can start us off you. Have either of you started slash finish season four of the boys? What were your thoughts?

Um, I assume you haven't. Did you, did you stop after two? No, because I didn't even like, I didn't even watch the fucking spin-off, like Gen Z?

Oh, I didn't either. I tried. I tried, but I just didn't dig it. So, I gave up on that one. That's, that's what it is, right? Gen.

Gen. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I don't. That is irritating that that exists even to me at all. Like in the boys, a spin-off in the boys universe in the same way, the thing that we're always parodying does. And it's like, what?

It's such a Disney move. Like, why you, I get why they're doing it, obviously. But like, man, it's got some restraint, please. This is the one that seems to have, like, broken the internet, I guess, as far as, like, talking about it in response. I didn't love the way season three kind of wrapped up. It was like muddy and messy and it felt like this show needs to end with season four or season five. Like they're running out of steam. This isn't an invincible situation where you have a good model to build this off already.

Like I've tried reading the boys comics. They're fucking awful. Oh. Okay. Super. Didn't know. Like early 2000's edge in a way that's kind of funny, but it's like, wow, this is so dated. This is kind of just dated and unpleasant, like ugly art.

Like, it's just a horrible book. But yeah, I don't know. It's getting long in the tooth for sure. And there are some characters they just don't know what to do with. They just don't know what to do with French Kimiko or Mother's Milk. They just don't know what to do with those characters. Yeah. Because there are other characters when they're on screen, they steal it.

Like, Homelander carries the whole thing hard, the deeps, the funniest part consistently. As far as like human's concerned. Yeah, I, I watched season three, but it was just such a, like, I didn't feel like I was being gripped to continue watch. I just felt like kind of one of those obligatory, like, well, I started it. I liked the first season, so. Right, yeah. And now I'm just kind of like, I got to be better with my time.

So I'm just, I have no plans on watching season four right now. Because even people that are fans of the show were saying, like, yeah, it's the worst season. I'm like, okay, well, is it going to get better? Yeah, the first like three episodes are straight up like, oh no, if they like ruin this? They goofed it. It's a really bad like first three episodes. Just wasting time on these like arcs.

It's like, these stakes are like lower than stuff in season. There should be an escalation here. This doesn't feel like season four of this thing. I feel like I'm being strung along. Can we do something about this? It kind of feels like an inverse of season three where I feel like that started well and kind of ended on a whimper, whereas this starts on a whimper and ends quite well. But it's just more of a case of like if, well, it's like eight episodes, if like three of the eight episodes are like good. It's like not the best batting average right now.

um but man the the conversation is right really settling on this political thing the people like it's there's no longer the satire is gone and it's just i'm just getting preached to whereas i feel like the actual message of like it's it's more like a just general writing like a lack of quality with that that i feel like's the issue more than like it's never been a subtle show like it's no you know the the the political aspects in particular are like Man, too explicit. It's really not trying to hide it. Yeah, I hear that that's what like people are complaining about a lot.

Yeah, I thought it was too obvious. It's kind of, it kind of tricks you with where it's going, I feel like, for that last episode. I think we have to change the name the last episode too with what. Oh. Oh, yeah. Recently. And it being so tied together. Definitely the weakest season.

I'm glad they've confirmed that it's ending with five because it, yeah, is long in the two. They just need to wrap it up. And they know that the show is Homelander, and they can't deal with him without ending the show. So they have just strung it out. Okay. I really would not. That sounds lame.

Yeah. It's not going to win you over. That's for damn sure. But I'm going to move, change question now to this one from the backwards man, because I want to make sure I get this one in. Because I'm curious, your thoughts on it. It was recently discovered that multiple companies, including Apple, have been using the transcripts of thousands of YouTube videos without permission to train AI. An article from Proof News goes over this and also includes a search feature to search for creators whose videos have been used.

The search shows that videos from both of your main channels are among them. I was wondering what your thoughts are on this were. I'll send you a link to this article because it is interesting. And I did search up both our channels and got these really random lists of these fucking videos. So I'll do mine first. I'll send you on Telegram. So the results I got, I hate YouTube, I hate memes, date epic and disaster movie, the not dream work collection. I hate Hunt Down the Freeman.

The 100 worst YouTube channels. I hate Tumblr and I hate Fortune. Those are the ones that were dinged for me. Where do I find them? Go onto the link I sent you and embedded in the page is a... Oh, here we go. A search function, yeah. Do you want to see, read your ones?

Because they're quite funny. I mean, yeah, they are quite random. Like, they're not even my biggest videos. My Patreon update. From 2015. It's like Blue Jasmine Quicky or something. Yeah. Call Me By Your Name, 2017.

My Blue Jasmine video, 2013. Top 10 films of 2008 in 2014. My interstellar quickie, 2014, my Dark Night Rise is Quiki in 2012. My first Patreon thing in 2013. All of my Patreon updates are on here. Yeah, it's weird that. What are they looking for?

Interesting. I mean, I don't know. It could just be like random. Yeah, potentially. I don't know how they decide this. They probably used AI to find the videos. There's a funny section of the article that says earlier this year. The New York Times reported that Google, which owns YouTube, tapped videos on their platform to train its AI models.

In response, the spokesperson told the paper its use was permitted under agreements with YouTube creators. The Times investigation also found Open AI use YouTube videos without authorization. Company representatives neither confirmed nor denied the paper's findings. Open AI executives have repeatedly declined to publicly answer questions about whether it used YouTube videos to train its AI product SORA, which creates videos from text prompts. Earlier this year, a reporter from the Wall Street Journal put the question to Mira Murati, OpenAI's chief tech officer. I'm actually not sure about that. Maratti replied, YouTube subtitles and other types of speech to text data are potentially, quote, a gold mine. Vipa said because they can help train models to represent. how people talk and converse.

That makes sense. Yeah. So obviously, yeah, they'll just hide it in the terms of service, right? Like, if you upload to this platform, we are allowed to use it for training AI algorithms. There's probably in there somewhere anyway. Yeah, I mean, like, it's going to, if it's not, like, there's no way to stop it. There's no way to prevent it.

Like, if what, who Apple, Nvidia and Anthropic, if they're not doing it, fucking China, is going to do it. Like, who, it doesn't matter. Like, I don't, I find the conversation interesting in terms of, like, what does it even mean to, like, train? Right? Like, if, let's say, like, I don't know, like, am I allowed to play YouTube video? If I had, like, a two-year-old or whatever, am I allowed to use YouTube videos to, like, help them learn a new language?

Or, like, I don't know. Yeah. It's like a bunch of like really muddy conversations that seem to like not go anywhere. You know, like all these AI experts going on podcasts and like saying these like doomsday scenarios and it kind of just feels like a lot of like tech companies boosting their stock price by like everyone is investing in it. Yeah, it's already over. Yeah. Already over. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, we'll see where it goes. it'll be it's it's an interesting future okay we can date an AI in our phones like spike

jones foresaw i mean yeah you joke but straight up dude um well speaking of things that are horrifying cynic dokey 239 says after one of adam's most recent twitch streams how excited are you for red one y'all are planning to cover it on the podcast right that shit i'm not going to watch it go fuck yourself i'm i'm tired of watching things that i know i'm not going to be interested in you snapped i got a i got it i'm shifting my focus and my content if i'm going to make time for like passion projects and things that i actually have things to say about i got to start avoiding the new deadpool and just say it

shit and everybody knows I'm going to say it's shit and everybody knows it's shit anyway that's watching my channel and it's not really adding to any conversation and I'm like just I'm trying to get out of the mindset of just like covering something because it's a new thing and that's it. If there's a genuine

interest, you know, I watched a really bad movie in theaters recently called Lumina because it looked funny bad and it was one of those movies where you watch it and you're like wow, it's shocking that I would be even allowed to watch this in a theater It's shocking that I'm given

The option to see this in the theater That was fun That was a fun thing And I might talk about it But I got to I can't just I can't just see every fucking The Rock movie When everybody knows their shit

No this one's different No It's Santa but epic What if Santa was epic? Go fuck yourself Yeah Jake Kastin coming in there Let's go Doesn't even matter.

Oh, it matters. It matters to what is his Netflix? No, it's theaters. I know, right? Chris Evans was in there. That's going to be a big draw, right? Who? You know, it's the Rock...

Captain America. Oh. And I guess speaking of, um, the bad news bears 18 says, I remember Alex answering a question in reference to a movie you each think would rake in a ton of money purely from the concept alone. And Alex's response was that of a Deadpool multiverse crossover movie. Deadpool 3 is a multiverse crossover movie. I need to hear your thoughts.

I guess I was right. It's already the highest grossing R-rated debut of a movie ever. It's at nearly 800 million as of recording. Oh, wow. So this is, I don't know, it's probably going to be the biggest film of the year, right? Yeah. As far as box offers. Movies are back.

Otherwise, I think it's what, inside out too, right? That's the other. Yeah. I think that's past a billion, actually. So Disney's back, baby. And on top of that, too, this like really weird, like, I don't know how you interpret it, like, desperate Robert Downey Jr. thing they pulled out. It does seem desperate. Like, what?

That's crazy to me. So Robert Downey Jr. is coming back to be the, maybe. the most beloved Marvel villain all the time. Is he gonna wear prosthetics? Is he just gonna, it's such a weird idea. He's just gonna stay under the mask. Like, apparently it had like leaked before it came out this news, but no one believed it because it's such like an absurd concept.

Yeah, I don't know what they're doing, but I'm here to watch it burn. Um, but I guess it's not burning if Deadpool's made all the money. If they just space out their releases more, they'll do fine. I think that that's the strat. That is you've nailed it. Yeah, they flooded the market. That was what they did like the yeah. It's called greedy. Every business-minded person always does that, you know, like they just flood it. Oh, but it's working, it's working, we're making billions of billions, let's just go, go, go. And we'll get tired. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They tried to see what they could get away with and they found out. And now they're scaling it back a bit. Then COVID happened and then the biggest bank, the Jonathan Majors or whatever, that all like fell through. And I guess this is like panic. Oops.

Oh shit, I guess this is how we're going to solve this maybe. Nostalgia, shorter and shorter cycles of nostalgia, that will, that will definitely fix it. It definitely brings Buss and seats like, just having Hugh Jackman on the poster, I guess, it's like, oh, nostalgia. Now I'm allowed to see that. Yes. It's something I remember. Yeah.

I don't know, man. Who cares? Who cares? Everyone cares. Everyone's hyped for Robert Downy. what's he going out of this? Talk to Doom.

Yes. Robert Downey Duham. The most beloved villain. We can't remember his name. Oh, dude. Yeah. Well, seeing as we're on this like through line of disappointing things.

Just too good says this. Which director's descent into Slop has disappointed you the most? Who comes to you? Who flashes in your mind? There's I mean what's his name?

The guy that directed Nightcrawler. That was disappointing because like Oh yeah. Nightcrawler showed so much potential. That's right. Dan Gilroy. That was a really quick descent. Like speed run in the M. Knight.

Oh, it's Velvet Bud's sore. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dude. Honestly, it's just Ridley Scott Oh. It owns this for me.

Um, I don't, because I'm, I really question what, what is the, what is the motivation, you know, you made Blade Runner and Alien. I know you're like happy to be working like constantly and he is really busy, but it's like, for why? You know, like these films, like everyone was upset about this gladiator two trailer, whatever, I haven't watched it because it kind of points to the issue with this guy. It's like, the idea of gladiator two is not interesting to me. this chain of films he's released. Like, what was the last, like,

must watch Ridley Scott film? Alien Covenant. People say the last duel. I know that people say that. But man, the other stuff is buried around. Yeah.

I mean, he's just pretty, he's doing the Disney Marvel thing where he's just pumping things out way too quick. But so I just, I want to understand why. Like,

it can't be financial. Why not? Why there? Keep himself busy. He's an old guy. He's got to do something. I guess. Keeps it busy.

Yeah. But it's just a different vibe to like, uh, are you going to watch Megalopolis? Oh, hell yeah, I'm going to watch Megalopolis. I am a fucking hype for Megalopolis. Don't say anything about it. Don't look anything up about it. There's already spoilers going around. But all I'm going to say is you have to watch it in theaters preferably at a film festival.

You might not get the same experience outside of it. I'm gonna yeah I hope it's a BFI if I yeah because I am so intrigued by that that's a that's got oh man that that could be a Southland Tales or something you know something like this I've heard it what compared to that story oh really yes let's go okay that's more interesting to me than whatever gladiated thing really scouts up to yeah it just it just hurts me

with the you know with the sci-fi love I love Alien I love Bladrard so much they're so influential so important to the space so it's just a shame

that I don't know I just can't reach that peak again I guess it's the thing that like Tarantino's always talking about like that's why he's like so picky with these projects he does because I guess he doesn't want to turn into that

or have that be his legacy yeah I don't know it's quite difficult thing to balance really. Yeah, you can't risk scotting it. Yeah, I don't know.

Quinn Tarantino's a weird one. But, you know, if that's what he wants to do, then he can do that. I don't know, take away TT. That was a pretty he's not making good shit anymore. Yeah. No, I went to watch his football movie or whatever it was. But even I can do it.

it was shit. I'm joining you man. You gotta be like, yeah, I don't know what is like changed. Is it just like the last four years and like getting older and there was a time where I would watch that in a heartbeat and like not even think about it. But now I'm just like, no, I'd rather do something else. Like, Tyke has betraying me over here. Yeah, there's just so much to filter through. It's like, I want to watch Shogun. It's like, does a whole series. I want to see all this stuff that's coming out and it's still trying to keep on top of it. like, and night's coming out, Matt.

Ah, let's just relax. Do you want me to do this one from baby satire? Sure. It was one more upvoted ones. Do you wipe standing up or are you seated while wiping? The important question is, not consistently one or the other.

Ah. You switch it up. Is that dependent on where you are or just depends on how many wipes I need or how clean I want to get? Right. Yeah, yeah. True. Whereas I'm more of a seat to myself. I would never start standing up. You got to start sitting down.

Yeah. That's true. Yeah. It has to be that this way. But it's not like a full stand-up. It's like a squat. Oh, you're kind of like squatting. Half squat.

Yes, yes. Yeah. Well, thanks for that question. That was fire. I hope you go what you wanted for that. What did you want from that? Is that what you wanted? Did you get what you wanted?

It's probably their fetish. It's probably their fetish. They were asking as a fetish. Oh, dude. I don't, yeah. Let's find another one then. No Cushin says, what's a movie or other piece of art that isn't your favorite

that is extremely important to someone close to you? Hmm, movie or piece of art that isn't my favorite, but it is extremely important to someone close to you. Does that just mean something that someone else that I'm friends with or that I'm close to really likes? Yeah, or like a family member or something, like, I don't know, my nan loves, she doesn't give a shit about movies,

but like she loves Marsha the Penguins or whatever, you know. Hmm. I don't know if I have a proper answer to that. No? No. Because I don't know, like, I'm trying to think, like if there's the things that like so I don't know guy all loves best of enemies I'm like not as into it as he is but like it's not it doesn't feel so detached that it's

like noteworthy for me right but like is Lord of the Rings like your favorite I mean it's you like it's pretty fucking incredible but it sure I don't I don't look at his love for that and get confused about it yeah but is that what it's saying it's more like you love like it perhaps but it's just not you know like uh synecarchy for you yeah that's like that's something different that's it's in a category where i appreciate that movie myself but i don't feel the way you do for example yeah but i could see why you do it's not imprinted yeah uh my parents really love hotel california by the eagles and And I feel like I've heard it too many times because of that that I get annoyed when it's on.

Right. So you turn into the dude. You fucking hate the Eagles. It's just I've heard it too many times and it's not like a, I don't know. It's not a forever song for me. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. One for me is, uh, I know someone who, like, is obsessed with slasher films, horror slashes.

It's for me that's one of the, for me personally one of the less interesting subgenres of horror despite how much i do enjoy uh yeah texas chainsaw or whatever for me i prefer like more psychological horror or i don't know different avenues to go down yeah did we ever talk about in a violent nature no um but that has been on my watch list have you checked it out yet i did Is it worthwhile? I've given that preface of the way I feel about slashes? It's worth watching.

It seems more unique for a slasher. It's, it's, I did not regret watching it. And there's things I appreciate about it. Okay. So, yeah, I looked at some of the reviews and it seemed to have like quite a mix of like ratings. It's interesting. I don't know. Let's do this one from anime metalhead. 95.

I recently was discussing with a friend about Jodorowski. And they mentioned some things I wasn't aware of and was honestly quite appalled about El Topo. Be aware of this particular controversy and what are your thoughts on it. This is one of those just ongoing subjects, I feel like we return to it now and again. This is artists, the more moving the out from the artist. Man, there are so many projects, there's so many films, so many storied. uh i don't know like disasters or people hurt behind the scenes through the making of this art uh and yeah do you know about the el topos stuff specifically because i actually went to watch

that after um we did the episode the jollerowski episode and yeah i was reading about that was like maybe i won't watch this right now and i just never got around to checking it out because it was kind I don't know, got fucked up. Yeah, so this, the, the controversy is from Hutterowski in an interview saying that he raped one of the actresses. Yeah. I honestly, like, I just, I don't know what to think about it because the guy talks in riddles half the time. I'm like, is this a metaphor? Like, I don't know.

He's an unreliable narrative. Yeah. Yeah. Like he, I don't know whether or not to take that literally. So I just, I have no idea. Yeah.

Or is he just being an out there artist being provocative. Yeah. Because I, like, as far as I know, there was no, like, no one accused him of rape. It's just from, the controversy stems from him in an interview.

Yeah. But I think that maybe the person that he was talking about was like already dead or something. Let's look it up. When did? Yeah. the context. I don't have any information on that because apparently she is not that well known.

Mara Lorenzio, it does not have, it does not even say whether or not she's still alive. But that was my assumption. Oh my God. It's fairly obscure, I suppose. There's, I search up her name in the top four results. is a post by someone saying they were trying to search for her and there's nothing they can find.

Oh, it. So that's, yeah, I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know if he's responded to those comments in like a criticism or, I literally have no idea. Okay, here we go. On Wikipedia.

In 2019, after El Museo del Barrio, in New York City canceled a retrospective exhibit on the filmmaker due to the controversy, Hutterowski stated that it was a part of a publicity stunt. They were words not facts, surrealist publicity in order to enter the world of cinema from a position of obscurity. I acknowledge that this statement is problematic

in that it presents fictional violence against a woman as a tool for exposure, and now 50 years later, I regret that this thing is being read as truth. See... You're right, it's provocative. I just... Do you believe it?

It's, I don't know. Because that's, the, the controversy itself stems from his words. Like, beyond that, they're, like, we don't. There's no other information. Yeah, it's not like there's somebody, right. So it's, I don't know. There's, I literally just don't know. Hmm.

And straight up not enough. You know, it. The, the, the, the, the concept of believing victim. seems doesn't even apply here because we don't we didn't hear anything from any victim so it's like it's it's either believe him in one year or not in another year based on what you feel about him or what you think he might be or I don't know I literally don't know okay so I'm not sure what to make of it it's it's one of the weird or me two moments where he just he says something crazy which he does like as a guy that's listened to like a lot of interviews of him like he's he's said so many

fucking crazy things and he's a he's a cheeky he's a cheeky bugger and uh he talks in riddles half the time yeah so i don't know i literally that's that's all i could say is i just don't know yeah it's so difficult with the provocative art of yeah um a lot of isn't that a weird one that's it yeah what is anybody's supposed to think about that that clarification statement that's like what the fuck um okay I feel like I'm just as confused as when I started the question came in for but man if anyone else can find anything that's no apparently no one can even find out if this woman exists really yeah I mean she was in the film but like no I don't I have no idea

if she's alive yeah I was looking for like a date of death or something Because Hodoraski is like 90 something. Oh man, yeah. Yeah, 1970. Almost like lost a time. Yeah, I was expecting to go that way, but it's... Hussein, Maddick, small. Unless you had something else to add there.

I sent on this one. Yeah. From Hussein Madik small. Mike from Red Letter Media had a bad interaction with one of his heroes, William Shatner, over a misunderstanding which left him heartbroken. Do you want to meet all of your heroes, or are you fully aware some of them could be? be unhinged slash unlikable in real life. If I made a director I really like, well, first of all, I've already met my hero and he said I'm smart. So thanks Charlie Kaufman. Second, if I meet

somebody that I respect and admire and they're really talented and if let's say they've only seen of me what's like on Twitter and just people, you know, being bad faith against me and they have an idea of me and they're like, I don't want to associate with you or you suck because you said this in 2015 or something. I'm not going to feel heartbroken about it. It's fine. Like, you can't expect, like, I don't know. Like, the, the Mike Red Letter Media thing is kind of funny.

Because it just kind of reveals William Shatner as a confused old fart, which I wouldn't personally feel bad about. Like, who cares if a confused old fart is confused and old and farting? Yeah. I wouldn't put any like personal stake into it. Like especially if you're already a public figure. Like you can't control what people think about you really. Well, to yeah,

most of an extent. Yeah. Do you want to meet your heroes? It's not something I really commit. Who's your hero? In what space? I don't know. Let's say like the Coen brothers or something.

Well, like an app or whatever. I don't know. I don't want to, I don't really want to meet them. I would only want to talk to them if they wanted to speak to me, I guess. Yeah. That's kind of my stunts because I've had that happen before. Like, people have worked on certain games and whatnot, I've reached out to me and I've had conversations.

And that's, that's way more satisfying to me than the idea of the inverse, I guess. It depends on the space. Because at TIF, there's like a lot of screenings where you can, like, the director is literally just coming out of the theater after the movie's over in the same area that you are and you can just like say hi. Yeah. You can literally go straight up. Yeah, yeah.

And it also like, I feel like maybe it's more approachable if they're like not at as high of a level of fame also. Mm. So like, I said hi to Robert Eggers. Oh, yeah. He was a great person to talk to even though it was brief. I kept it brief. I didn't bug him.

I saw hi to Bo Burnham. He was actually there with Robert Eggers at the screening of the lighthouse. Oh, sweet. Which is kind of interesting. I said hi to, let's see if I can remember his name. I'm going to have to look it up. Director of Waves. Trey Edward Schultz.

Oh, yeah, cool. You're leaving Waves at Tiff, and he was walking down the stairs, and I was right next to him on the elevator, and it was hilariously awkward, because we were both just getting... Really? I was like saying hi, but I was also kind of like, not intending to but just like hovering next to him because he was walking and I was escalating

and so I was just like this long awkward like oh yeah hey like your stuff at con I saw pung junho but I did not go up to him because it looked like he was already being swarmed and I didn't want to be a part of the mob and have him be prevented from going where he needs to be. That's fair. Yeah. So it depends on the context, the situation. I'd only approach someone if, like, I'd had some,

I need some question. I need something already. I don't know. I don't know. I can't do it. Otherwise, I need someone to go. I'm no good just like on the spot. All right.

That does it for questions. Let's go. Thanks for the questions. I gotta recommend a movie Time for a wreck Yeah You're gonna wreck? We're gonna wreck

It's a classic It's one of my favorites It's gonna pair really well With the movie that we're catching in theaters Before the next episode 2010 M Night Shyamalan The Last Airbender Oh

Great film Okay Can't wait It's been a while I'm due for a rewatch So I think that'll make a nice little What's the thought process

behind this one? Well because we're seeing M Knight's trap Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get that, but why the last Airbender out of all of Mnights disasters? Because this one I'm due for a rewatch the most. And I feel like everybody's talked about the happening. I kind of wanted to do a funny, bad one, and I wasn't sure if signs really, like, signs would be an interesting discussion someday for sure. Yeah.

I kind of hate the village and have seen it recently enough. Like, the last Airbender is one of the more interesting, like, failures, you know? Okay, have you seen the show? I've seen the first few episodes of the show But I know you've seen the show I've seen the show I might if I have time Watch the like first episode of the Netflix one I am not going to do that

To mention that I'm not going to watch the whole thing I promise you that I might just watch the first But yeah cool interesting I have a special love for this film so It's certainly memorable Yeah So if you don't want to get spoiled

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We're going to watch M. Knight's trap before the next recording. That can't wait. I'm hyped. I can't. This is going to be a great episode. We get to talk about two films from anuteur. Your boy, M. Knight. He really is my boy.

He's one of my favorite. He is. You love that guy. You're like in love with this guy. I am. He's a character. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody.

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