Sardonicast - Sardonicast 175: Terrifier 3, In a Violent Nature, Possum

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

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This is Ardonic. I'm sorry you hear that, bro. Yeah. It's one of those, like, really bad in the morning and really bad at night, but like fine in the middle of the day things. But we record the podcast. like pretty soon after I wake up so I'm gonna be congested for a bit It's morning for you evening for me

And I'm Alex from my H.E. That was a rhyme That was a nice little rhyme But I was gonna do this for the intro yet ready Can you spy him deep within Little possum black as sin Oh Bag is open growing wider

What's inside it Man or Horse Oh shit Huh? A subversion A subversion of the rhyme Yeah how do you go Thank you

A little bit of both is the answer. We saw Terrifier 3 and... We did. Had you seen the first two? I did. I sort of did a bit of a terrifier marathon

in the week leading up to Terrify 3. How was that? I guess we just get straight into it. I kind of hate these films. I don't get it. I need someone who likes these films to describe what is what is the hype thing about them.

Like, I get it, there's gore. It's awesome. I love the practical effects. It's amazing. Those scenes are really enjoyable. But it's kind of like that one trick pony thing to me where it's like, okay, this is cool. But where are we going next? Oh, you got nothing?

Just the same trick again and again. And here's my thing, right? The first movie is actually my favorite one of the three, if I'm being honest. Oh, shit. Because it's the shortest. It's the shortest. That is a big, big part of it to me. And there is something I respect about that micro budget.

like 30 grand or something. There's something respectable about that to me and it kind of flew by just yeah, 19 minutes just gone. And that felt like it was respect to my time. I enjoyed the goal for what it was. And he gets terrified too. It's like two hours 10 or something. It's 220. It's the 20 loaded for sure. Oh my God. Yeah. And I get it. It's like you add a zero one to the budget then. I think it was a 300 grand budget for that one and it definitely shows and how well it was made in comparison to that first movie. But man, putting in this main character,

this like woman who's like a heavy metal magazine, obsessed, standing, just it doesn't work the... Sienna, yeah. Yeah, the Sienna character. And Jonathan, Jonathan's very annoying. Oh, we can't forget. Can't forget Jonathan.

I'm impressed that I remembered both of their names. I'm amazed too, because, yeah, it's not the characters that I'm there for. And it's like, you got to give me, one or the other. I think I would have like terrified two more if it was in a brief 90 minute time frame like that first movie. If it was like, let's, because it's basically the same movie again anyway, except they tried to have like a protagonist that you care about. But I just

don't. Like, I can't get into these characters. And like in that first movie, it was more of like a bottle thing, like a, the scary environment they're in. I don't know. The first movie was almost kind of like a fever dream. It was like, oh, yeah. Like, from what I remember, and I saw this like years ago, it was just kind of like, there's a plot. That all that to me, though, like, there's a plot. It's more just like a sequence of gore scenes, which like, it got me really thinking about,

like, what is it about gore that I enjoy when it works for me? Like, what is it about the gore in saw? Man, I'm rhyming. My rhymes are on fire today. Gore and Saw that really works for me. And I was trying to think about it. Yeah, because what is the difference at the end of it? It's kind of these gratuitous, torturous scenes, right?

Just people basically just being tortured. But at least in like the saw traps, there's some sort of goal for the character that's in it. There is the question of, oh, are they going to do something to get out of this? They have some agency in the scene, I guess, so you can kind of get invested into what's happening. Whereas these just string of murders from Art the Clown is like, yeah, I guess it looks cool and you've put all this effort into the practical effects. But again, what is this in service of beyond that? And I'd be fine with that if it was 19 minutes, but they're so, God, they, Terrify 3, I wanted to leave so bad. I was, I was so, so bored. I get it. I do. It's, it looks better again. The budget's higher again. I had another zero to the budget. I think it's three million this time. Oh, really?

also. And yeah, I don't think the jump has been that impressive to me as far as like what that extra budget has been doing for it. Like, Terrify 3. It didn't get intriguing until the very last scene, basically, to me, where it's, like, what. like this kind of mish-mash a and b story that don't relate to each other really at all until the very end and it's just man it's engaging unengaging to me and i just i don't get the out of the clown hype people are they're loving these movies do you like them more than me at least i do like them more than you and also i should mention that as a non-british person i would argue that gore and saw do not rhyme uh uh i i i do like them more than you. Fair. I like them with a grain of salt. I think that personally, Terrifier 1 was my least favorite. So there's only one gore moment I remember and it was like the chainsaw up the pussy.

The upside down. The upside down chains up. Yeah. And it was like, you know, that was that was impressive, but also kind of like, I'm, I guess I'm maybe not as much of a fan when it's like, when I see the gore and I'm like, is this just someone's fetish? Because it was a weirdly sexualized gore movie and I guess a lot of horror movies are the whole like, oh, I'm just a hot girl running away from a killer.

Ooh, a bad guy, don't get me. Sort of thing. Like, we can make this argument, I guess, to a lot of horror films. And I just, the acting was so bad in the first one. And the way it was filmed was just fucking like, before the same. before the sequel was out,

there were people telling me to watch the first terrifier movie and it was already making its rounds and it was already like having some sort of impact in the horror community. And you can even see the poster on IMDB, you've got all these like,

you don't even have to zoom in to know that they're all from horror magazines giving them these four-star reviews, you know. There's something about this that connected with people and seeing the first one I was like, holy shit. Like, I don't, know what the hell they think they're doing sort of thing.

Terrifier 2 comes out. I watch it in a theater and I was pleasantly surprised to be able to watch it in a theater because Terrifier 1 barely felt like a movie. I gave you the first one a 2 out of 10. Terrifier 2. I agree that it is fucking bloated and way too long. No excuse. And what was interesting is before the movie started they did one of those like pre-showed, you know, director on the screen being like, hey, I made this movie. But what was kind of revealing about that is the director, Damien Leone, if that's how I pronounce

his name, he very much seems like he was buying his own bullshit in terms of like storytelling. He's like, oh yeah, we've made, we've made it so that there's like an actual story and characters you can relate to. I'm like, okay. I really did not get that out of it. It just felt like a lot of padding because the storytelling isn't great. The characters suck.

A lot of the acting sucks. What you do very well is Gore, and you do it incredibly, and you do it better than the overwhelming majority of people in the industry. He has a special effects, like practical effects background, and now he's in charge of, you know,

creating the entire product when he's really, really good at one thing. Terrifier 2? I gave a four out of ten. And I enjoyed it enough that I wanted, like I had interest in seeing the third movie. And, you know, you mentioned the charm of the budget of the first movie. I think that that charm still exists throughout the franchise because Terror FIRE 2, a significant amount of that budget was crowdfunded.

And most importantly, all three of these films are going, you know, regardless of where the funding is coming from. it's basically going outside of the studio system. It is not being released with patch notes. It is not censoring itself. It is not nerfing itself to cater towards sensibilities of like, oh, we're going to make a fucking PG-13 horror movie or, oh,

we're going to make a rated R horror movie, but nothing interesting happens in it. Or nothing even scary happens in it. Or nothing even disturbing happens. It's like, fuck off. I'm so sick of horror movie. that don't try to do anything disturbing, right?

Yeah, it's neutered. And that's, I do appreciate that about these films, is that it really goes for being disturbing, and it does not censor itself at all. Like, they're sick, depraved parts of Damien Leonie's mind that he's sharing with the world. And if that's what people want to see, that is great. And I like that there is the option to see that.

I like that people can enjoy that. Terrifier 2 is I don't know if I like it more or less than the third movie at this point because the third movie I was expecting the pacing of Terrifier 2 and so it just flew by for me also I saw it at like noon

I just I woke up yesterday and I was like fuck like I gotta watch something for the podcast I'm sick and I didn't want to do Wild Robot because I'm like okay if I did that I'd be organizing and cleaning and unpacking while I'm watching it sort of thing

and also it's like this is a Halloween episode basically it's like the end of October and this is getting released like fuck Terror Fire 3 is right there I want to see it let's fucking do it I went to the theater I had a relatively good time and I didn't feel like I was like bored out of my mind wanting to escape aside from maybe like a couple moments that that I appreciate about this film

But what I what was really missing was I wish they outdid The one scene from Terrifier 2 Because when I think when I think of what I like about these movies I think of one scene and it's within the second film And it is that really Long and drawn out like he's just like cutting up the pieces of this girl Like on the bed or whatever

When the mom comes in and finds her like That entire sequence is like one of the best show off pieces of gore I've ever seen because it goes on for so long and there's so many layers to it and it's it's almost like a there's parts of these films that feel almost kind of like a video gamey sandbox thing where you're like oh I'm impressed remember in dead's when Dead Space came out and you're like oh you can just like shoot off each of their limbs and it's like still moving around and the game can figure out how to make these characters move and you know it's it's intelligently designed i feel that way about watching these films

because there's a lot a lot of complicated talented artistry going into the gore and practical effects in that same way where you know sure there's cuts uh but you have to be mindful of like consistency for how the bodies look versus the doubles or the prosthetic and, you know, to plan that out, you would have to have it meticulously, uh, like storyboarded almost or, or, yeah,

you, you, you, you'd have to have like a really good idea of what you're doing before going into it and have, I, I just, I am so impressed by that one scene that I, I,

I feel like it's worth it to just continue watching these films in case anything like that ever happens again. Mm-hmm. I, yeah, I, I agree with what you're saying. I, I just wish the scenes that weren't that had the same level of love, but into them in some way. And it's like if you could just address, I don't know, the writing or something, just for those scenes that are in between that to get me there, I need more.

Because I'm dying for the half of the movie that isn't that stuff. It's like it's like it's similar problem of like Mission Impossible or whatever you know. It's like you're there for the action scenes, but then for the dialogue you're sleeping. You're not intrigued at all. Oh, yes. This is like that even more exaggerated to me. Oh, it's way worse. Yeah, way worse.

What you said in that first movie about it feeling kind of like fetishy or whatnot. I feel like that applies to all three in one way or another to like different levels of gratuity. Yeah. It is kind of the point as well. But it's like, you're disrespecting my time with that, man. Two hours, five minutes for this. It feels like four to me. But I feel like the ratio of gore to bullshit dialogue,

was much better handled in three than two. Because two, I was like actually dying. In three than two? Yeah. Yeah, there's no reason. There were more gore scenes in three and less dialogue scenes in three, I think. Like the ratio was more even. Like, it had a better understanding of why we were there in the theater.

Yeah, yeah. But three just suffered a lot more for me with these AB stories. Like, just not complimenting each other. It was like glacial every time it was going to what was going on with that Lauren Levera character, the Sienna. Like, that stuff was so dull to me. Maybe I was just in a particular mood. Like, honestly, by the end of the movie, I was like, is this the end of the movie or are we like 60% through the movie? Is there going to be like a second final act or something?

Like, I didn't feel the time at all. And maybe it's also because I was expecting the pacing of Terror FIRE 2. Right. Maybe because I was sick. I was just like in a weird fever dream kind of. It was like my first time leaving the house since I've been back. Yeah, yeah. I was more bummed by that where you were questioning, oh, is this like wrapping up now?

I was more like, oh, why didn't we like start here? This is actually like interesting. You're actually doing something with this world. You're showing me something new instead of like these comedic scenes that seem so detached from each other. And sure, they're fun in a vacuum, but like I can watch those clips on YouTube. Or maybe I can't because of the filters, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

compilation of those garcans would be way more enjoyable to me than watching a full one of these films, which I find very difficult to get through. I think that the best version of these films is literally just a death compilation stitched together and just ignore all the dialogue scenes. They don't matter. They literally don't matter. Damien, I'm sorry. I would say that I don't think there's less love put into those scenes. I just think that he has no fucking idea what he's doing with those scenes.

I think he thinks that he's that he's telling a story and having characters that people can relate to or give a fuck about what's happening to them. But like it's just not the case. Yeah. Because it's like the dark comedy of the gore is so absurd that it is funny. Yeah. And there is something compelling about that. Then it's like, where's the comedy in those other scenes? There is none.

It's just bad acting and it's not tongue and cheap enough. It's not like a Sam Ramey thing where it's all. like wink wink nudge nudge with the audience it feels more like no this is a serious this is this is sienna's story and we're here with her following her PTSD from the events of the second movie and you're feeling the emotions and it's like no I am not this is uh impossible for me to get through it is kind of lame that we even have her story carry over into the third movie because again I think it's kind of like a misunderstanding of why people watch the films because they watch it for art the clown right in the fucking yes if we were to compare it to any other like

horror icon freddie jason right like those know what they are a bit more in the sense that like okay there's a new cast of kids that we're just going to kill we don't really care about them we don't need them to carry over with maybe some exceptions because you know the girl from the first nightmare showed up a new nightmare and you know i guess jamy lee curtis and hallowe but like those films told their stories a bit better like those films gave some sort of excuse a lot better I would say to care and check up on how those characters are doing whereas the terrifier movies

it's like I almost wish that if they were to have dialogue scenes that if they would lean into being like I don't know trauma Lloyd Kaufman type things where it's just like bullshit like hey we know we're bullshit this is funny right lean into more maybe more of a comedic angle. Because even during the gorse's, there's like tons of comedy, right? It has this weird clash of tones where

I think part of the reason why I enjoyed Terrifier 3 a good amount also is because, I don't know, like the tone and implication with the soundtrack this happy, cheerful, ironic Christmas music, right? As he's just chopping people

up. I dig that. It had a bit of that and it also had a bit of the like stereotypical 80s homage horror like well you know that didn't the sense stuff yeah yeah that didn't really do anything for me and that kind of implies a level of you know semi-seriousness that I'm just like okay well I'm not scared at any point during these movies I'm just kind of enjoying the gore I'm just kind of like I'm impressed by the practical effects and the absurdity I think that when Art the Clown is doing his whole fucking pointing and laughing while not making a sound because he's doing like mime shit.

It's like a mime. Yeah. He's like a psychotic, hyperactive ADHD Mr. Bean. And it's fucking awesome. It's very fun. I like it for that. But it's this weird clash where these other characters exist in this universe where it's like they're trying to be serious, I guess, kind of. The story thinks it's a story.

The fucking magic story. Terrifier 2. The story, I can't believe just how not only dumb the story was, but how much it focused on the story. Like, oh, the epic sword and banished the demon. Who cares? It's a terribly written story. Like, genuinely terribly written story. Yeah, with a really boring main character with the whole, yeah, going back to the heavy metal magazine thing. So my dad's a comic book artist and it's playing the 80s synth. And it's like, look, isn't it? Remember the 80s and all the 80s horror movie? you love and we're doing that but new. Nah, it just doesn't work for me that stuff. I'm just so uninterested by that part of it.

And again, if it was just these brief scenes, if we're a quick 90 minute runtime, I'd be there for it, honestly, because it wouldn't be trying your patience. But both these movies are two hours long and it's not as bad as two, it isn't. But it's still pretty bad as far as pacing is concerned. I think Terrifier 3 is a nice compromise

between Terrifier 1 and Terrifier 2 in terms of like it's in the middle in terms of how bloated it is it's in the middle in terms of like the gore scenes and memorability of those scenes and how impressive they are right like it's it hit a sweet spot and again I wish that it had something

like that scene in Terrifier 2 but still I had fun like all of the gore scenes were entertaining for me Yeah, they were fine, but what about the Jonathan at university scenes? There weren't that many. There weren't that many Jonathan at university scenes. He was not in the movie very much, and I was so happy they killed him off. I mean, spoilers, sorry.

Who cares about this story? Yeah. Anybody getting care? Jonathan died? No. You won't even remember his name by the time you watch this movie. No one even knows who Jonathan is. Yeah, no one even knows who Jonathan is.

But yeah, if we're talking about spoilers then, um, Yeah, the stuff towards the end where it basically ends on a cliffhanger, which kind of, they kind of piss me off, to be honest, because it's like, man, I wish we'd got here at like the halfway point of the movie. Just have a string of art the clown kills. Then we delve into like this other world or whatever hellish place he comes from and go into the, I like it when the horror movies, like, the longer they go, the goofier they get with the law and exploring, like, where the character is with a demonic explanation of this

sidekick he has and all this kind of stuff. There's something fun about that to me, but you don't get any of it, really, until this movie until the end where it's like hey we're gonna do that next time we're gonna go rescue the girl okay yeah like that would have been a better terrify three to me man we need to like I ignore uh what's her name see sienna yeah it would have been fun if they'd like killed her on the opening scene or something yeah sure the only reason I remembered her name is because when characters would sometimes shout her name in the film it sounded like Santa.

Sienna. Yeah, it does. I was like, oh, this is already a Christmas movie. Yeah. Do you think, like, people find these films scary, or is it a novelty to it? Because people were... Yes. I think that there are people that are terrified of me.

Really? Yes. I guess that explains it. We are very desensitized to, like, this type of shit, where we can watch it and know that it's not real and kind of appreciate the craftsmanship of, like, the, scenes there are people that would just not be able to be able to handle this like they're also aren't the some people are terrified of clowns and the design of the character is really good yeah yeah the prosthetics are good the makeup's good yeah

they're disturbing kind of creepy scaryish elements to the character and one of the best parts about the movie and one of the reasons why I think it's made such a cultural impact especially within the horror community is that you can really tell that David Howard Thornton is just like living this role. He loves playing this character. He's loving it. He's like nutting himself in every scene. He's having so much fun playing this character and he brings so much to it. And it's just it's a unique, uh, psychotic, weird, fucking creepy character. Like it works for what it is. But yeah, like me enjoying it, I guess my ideal version of this is something that leans a bit more into the fact that like this is a character

that's basically like almost existing outside of the movie and is i was kind of reminded of like michel honica's funny games if that makes sense where where he's just showing up in this way where like it's it's like the cast of characters in the movie are in their own universe and then art the clown is just showing up and fucking with them using rules that don't exist in their universe. Like, he's an omniscient god, basically. He's not just a jigsaw, but he's like, playing.

Yeah, they're like bin baggy carries around. It's like the TARDis with all the tools and everything. Yeah, it's like cartoonish and crazy. He's playing with space time. Yeah. He's breaking the laws of their universe and intruding on their lives. And the rules of the movie exist just for his benefit. And, you know, which makes it worse when there's a,

character with plot armor, right? Yeah, exactly. Like, what you're describing actually sounds really cool and interesting to me and something that I should like. Yeah. So what is it about the way it's put together that I don't like? And I feel like it's the level of acting. It's the writing and the dialogue scenes that have nothing to do with the gore.

Yeah. I just can't get into them. I don't care about these characters. And I feel like for me to get invested in the horror, I need someone to care about, some thing to care about, right? I just, yeah, art is fun. and I like seeing him kill people or whatever. But it pretty much starts and ends there for me.

Yeah. To put it simply, it's a lack of self-awareness that's really preventing it from being like its best possible version. I think if you kept this character and kept Damien Leone in charge of like the gore and the concepts for gore and the kill scenes. But then you had, you know, it was a collaborative. between him and like an actual talented like art house director let not to say that Damien Leone is not talented but like there are different strengths and weaknesses for

each director for sure and he has very obvious strengths and very obvious weaknesses but just imagine if you were to take something like this and have you know Michelle Hanukkah almost seems like a joke but I would fucking love that movie you know Ari Aster or fucking Wes Anderson Who cares? Like anybody that could actually sell the idea of a story and characters

happening You put that character Into that universe I think it would be fucking incredible Yeah I agree and I guess that's what bugs me about it As well there Because it's like this budget's getting bigger every time

And I feel like it's kind of peaked with that second one For me as far as like the returns on what is being spent on it for how much I'm enjoying it, I guess. You know, I mean, I would say that Terrifier 3 was much better shot. I would say that Terrifier 3 had better acting, even with actors that were in Terrifier 2. I, I would say that I definitely noticed improvements, and I would have to assume that it's a combination of both budget and also experience. I think Damien Leone is improving in terms of his weaknesses. Like, he's getting a little bit better at, you know, the storytelling elements.

He's getting a little bit better at directing actors. It's still not great. It's still not great. But I am noticing, like, there are improvements for sure. Yeah. I guess, I don't know. I'm not seeing the fourth one in the cinema. That's for damn sure.

I can't. Maybe it's just not for me. What if it's 90 minutes? Ooh. If it's 90, I'll be there. Yeah? Yeah. I'll do it for 90, but if it's over two, no, I can't.

I need to get up and, like, move around or something. Like, it's so boring to me. It really is unengaging at a certain point. Maybe it was just watching them in, like, a string in like a week that was too much out the clown. Yeah, I don't think I would do that. These new, well, it's just, I don't know, it's not a new phenomenon, but. the way horror films go viral on TikTok or whatever and the way they're spoken about and the almost overhyped to a certain degree with people talking about how, yeah, Art the Clown

is the new Freddy or Jason. Is he in Fortnite yet? Let's relax. You know, he actually might be. I don't want to say no because it's like there's absurd stuff in there, right? So yeah, maybe it's just not for me. I think he is I just wish that gore could be in service

of something I actually care about because that is the kind of goal you want to see in these big horror movies that are usually too pussy to do it Yeah and also dead kids I knew you're going to bring that up Come on! It's the most clear example of how

outside the system they are and some people got pissed They didn't even show a child They just showed the child dead body aftermath They didn't even show They didn't even show The kid dying in the same way that they showed all the other characters dying.

There were a few dead kids in this movie, right? Which is good. Yeah. It's a good thing. That was like one of the pieces of trivia. It's like the opening scene is so hardcore that no studio would allow it. It's like, okay, man. Even though you didn't even shout.

You heard some squishy noises, and the implication is that the child's dead, and then you see some pieces of it after. Right? Like, there's still a double standard. there's still a very clear exception being made even within this film where it's like oh you're not actually going to show it even though the the adults lives don't matter at all right no i would i would love for terrifier for to have the same level of of gore that we see on the adults without the nudity obviously uh on the kids i want to see a kid's arm get chopped off in Terror Fire 4. Yeah, do they have the baza?

I want to see a kid's head get cut off in Terrifier 4. I guess you get into the kind of moral issue of like, how do you film that? With like a child in the room and like the pig guts everywhere, whatever he uses to. I mean, like, there, I don't think children should be acting in movies anyway, to be perfectly honest. I think that that's apparently abusive. But if we're going to do it anyway. Might as well trauma.

To the max. What you would have to do in the casting process is find a kid that is like not going to be traumatized By the set design or whatever like I don't know you already have kids In horror movies like walking through fucking You know, gore and All this other shit like I don't know like they're on a set like I don't they're not gonna believe it's real Maybe just don't show them the movie after Yeah, I don't know I don't know well I do know is that these terrifying movies that they they have

are not. They're not for me. I watch those goals scenes on YouTube, but that's about it as far as any kind of emotional investment or response to them. Can't stand these characters. It's just so dull to me. Let's see. Is there a 4K Blu-ray? I think there is of Terrifier 2. There's one listed for Terrifier 3 that will be out at some point. Is there one? I'm sure three will have one. Terrifier. What was the date of the first one? What is it, 2016?

it was 2016 maybe 2015 it was around that time yeah yeah it's probably why I watched it right yeah yeah cross off the list yeah I would I I would be in favor of just a compilation

of the gore and that's it and I think that's fine I'm gonna see these goals scenes again yeah I think yeah I think I could do that I'll get oh yeah I could definitely do that I wonder how long the movie would be.

Like all three? Yeah, good question. All three. You might have like an hour's worth of stuff in there. No, I think it would be over an hour. Someone's got to, I'm sure someone's working on it as we speak with for the third one to come out in an editable form.

Although I said three million dollar budget earlier. It's actually two million, which is good. Yeah, almost ten times. And it is funny how it's like, how Art the Clown kind of ate up Joker's lunch. Hell, yeah. As far as... Yeah, in terms of people at least.

In terms of, like, having a movie being successful and, like, kind of a part of a cultural conversation, I would rather have Terrifier 3 than any superhero movie at this point. Yeah, it depends. It depends for any. Comic book shit. I do appreciate the whole work pit in than actually like any of it. Yeah. It is cool that it's made over full.

40 million bucks on a 2 million dollar budget. That is impressive. And we're probably going to get a few more of these before it starts. He's probably made himself a multimillionaire of this. Yeah, I think Damien said that he's probably going to do four and five, but not sure if he's going to do any more after that. And so my thought is, I wonder if he stops doing terrifier movies and he continues directing movies, I wonder what he's going to do.

as in theoretically I mean his love is obviously within gore it would be weird if he made a movie that wasn't a horror movie but I wonder if he's going to be self-aware

enough to know exactly what to do or if he's gonna actually try to jump up and so people like that and they have all sorts of characters and different films within horror so that would be the ideal

and hopefully figures out I'll have to make a more enjoyable movie with each one. Yeah. So if we keep going to five and we keep adding a zero to the budget, we got Terrifier 4 at like $30 million. And then Terrifier 5 at $300 million. Yeah. It's a lot of dead kids.

In theory. Could be. Yeah, so I'm, I'm kind of torn on this one as in, I think, like, as a whole, whole piece. I think it works slightly better than Terrifier 2 just because Terrifier 2 is dragged down so much

by the bloated nonsense story that takes That runtime is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy for a film like that. Unacceptable. It's so weird. Is it longer than like hereditary or something like this? Yeah.

It's crazy for the type of horror it is to do that. Mm-hmm. So I think I think I'm going to leave Terrifier 3 at a 4, but just call it like a high 4. Whereas Terrifier 2 is like a solid 4. I think I like Terrifier 3 a bit more. But it's so weird because I'm going to remember Terrifier 2 more because of that one scene. I'm going to continue watching that scene.

I'm going to look up that scene and I'm going to watch it. If it's on YouTube, I feel like, man, that glacial pacing of 2 kind of evens it out to the same score for me for 2 and 3. like the pros and cons just yeah kind of equal to me to just a just a one star with the first movie being a one and a half star just because of the scrappiness of it um and the 90 minutes of it but yeah i think this i'm glad people who enjoy it i do appreciate the the indie filmmaking getting its getting its dues and people going out to see something true new and weird and creepy um even if it isn't really for me you know i think what i'm hoping is that the success of

Terrifier 3 I'm hoping that I'm hoping that other Yeah no Well because if something successful And especially with the news of this like doing better than Yeah Joker

I think hopefully We should see that there's an Appetite for extreme shit in a horror movie Because otherwise what's the fucking point right Like if if your cell There's a big difference between something like Terrifier and something like

I don't know, cure, where it's like, you know, one is doing tone and story, right? The other one is doing just gore. If you're selling the movie on just, if it's a slasher and the concept is, there's a guy killing people, then you're going to want it to be very extreme, right? Don't hold back. Yeah. Don't hold back. Show us something interesting.

Show us something that a jaded, desensitized person like me will actually get some enjoyment out of. don't play it for fucking soccer moms right they're not seeing this movie anyway you know anybody that's going to complain about like an implied child death I don't know how you fucking left your house to go to the theater anyway

you shouldn't be watching horror movies get out of here go go watch a PG-13 fucking Sony horror movie what was that tournament of champions escape room go watch that no one's gonna die

maybe it's gonna be off screen Go watch the Hunger Games. Yeah. Yeah. See a frayed. But yeah, I guess what made me extra torn, though, was I checked out in a violent nature semi recently, which is another kind of slasher film.

Do you want to talk about it? Yeah, why not? It's Halloween. Slash a all round. I didn't like it. Nice. But it had 10 out of 6. 10 out of 10 scenes within it.

Yes. Honestly, I think some of the kills in it are so good. It's like better than anything in the terrifying movies to me. Like how creative and wild and insane, some of them are, like, crazy payoffs for the kind of mistake of a structure, which I would kind of describe it as with the, God, it's sleepy. I mean, yeah. This is sleepy horror movies. Someone described it as like Vim Vendor's perfect days, but. it.

Fucking Friday the 13th movie. Like, wow, God, I hadn't made that connection. But I love perfect days. I know you do. I love,

love that. But, um, oh man. It's very ambious. Yeah, it was, it was a cool idea,

you know, but just half the movie is just, what are you doing? I like these slow movies. I like when it's purpose, pull or like in service of something cool. Mm-hmm. And I guess the idea of like, yeah, it's a horror movie, but it's from the perspective of the slasher.

And you get to watch the slasher go from A to B. And isn't it sort of this with this art house framing, where it's these beautiful environmental shots with incomplete silence. And it's like the effect of that is lost on me. Whereas like it's not really building tension. It's honestly just dull. And I feel like these are, I want to be more creative with the criticisms when it's, you know, you know, I want to be more creative with the criticisms when it's like. just say boring and dull or glacial, but it's, that's just how it feels, man. That's only an hour and a half long, that one. I know.

See, what's interesting about in a violent nature is despite it being 95 minutes, it feels like it's like over two hours. I liked it for what it was, and I like the concept better than I like the whole piece, because, you know, the marketing, the concept is kind of like a gimmick. and it's pulled off really well in terms of like idea versus execution. It's very well made, yeah. Yeah, and it's like it's got some great shots. It's got really great sound design.

I love, you know, just how atmospheric it feels at many points. I do think that, you know, if you're going to make this, there's only so much you can show of him walking through trees before it starts to get stale. Because the trees all look the same, you know. It's just still from behind the character. I love that there's no score. I think that's super cool. I do in theory,

but by the time you're at the 10th following him walking around, I'm like starved at that point. Like, just give me something, please. I need my treats over here because, uh, yeah, it feels like three hours long because of that. Yeah. I like, there's one gore scene I remember from in a violent nature.

And that was like the woman by the cliff. that was kind of funny. That's the best one. That was awesome. But here's the thing what's weird about this movie is like with the art house framing of the rest of it,

it almost feels like the wackiness of the kills is kind of clashing in a way. Yeah. And I guess it kind of has to be because it like this is almost like a parody

of like Friday the 13th type movies and so you do kind of want some kills in there. But then it's, like it kind of has this weird identity crisis where the types of people that really like those over-the-top gore kills are not really the types of people that are going to like watching a vim vendors take on a Friday the 13th movie they're not going to want to watch something that's very slow and that you have to be patient for and that is fairly art-housey but it's

interesting, I just think that if this was 20 minutes shorter, if it was like an hour 15, I think it would have been a lot better. By the end of the movie, spoilers? Is it possible to spoil this movie? I don't know. By the end of the movie, there's this

when they get into the vehicle and that woman starts yapping, I was having to get me out of here moment. I was like, please shut the fuck. Like, please just end the movie. Clearly we're at the end of the movie and she just kept talking for 20 minutes and I had this perfect solution in my mind Where you could have displayed the end credits during that conversation Because it's winding down and then the rest of the movie could have been like a post credits thing

I feel like that would have been cool Like because then the length of that scene would have been more justified too Yeah, I saw a film recently that did that I won't say what it is Oh, way. Okay, cool Yeah, I'm there with you it's like a concept movie movie and half of the concept is cool in practice. Like some of these kills I thought were great. That one on the cliff edge was awesome.

There's a really good like over the headshot of the killer taking someone out of like a, are we spoiling? Yeah, you can't really spoil it. You can't really spoil it. Yeah, exactly, which is almost like a ding against it as well because it's like, what am I caring about here? I thought the kind of like visual design of the killer was cool as well. Like his, his outfit and the way he killed.

people. It was like, oh man, I almost wish this almost was more of a traditional slasher, because this is what I'm looking for from these slasher movies, to be honest. But man, by the time you're at the, yeah, 15th scene of watching this guy walk around and the sound effect, like the footstep sound effect, just repeated again and again. I'm like pulling my hair out at a certain point. Yeah, it's just, it's not it. I found myself more willing and open to watch those types of scenes, even though they did kind of drag on because I'm like, okay, there's kind of like an interesting purpose to it. I like that it's different. What really dragged the film down for me is two things that were kind of happening simultaneously

is A, it didn't fully commit to the concept because we had these long, awful scenes where it was no longer through the perspective of the killer and we got this dumb fucking campfire story with a bunch of denguses and the acting was so uniquely bad. It was like that one girl from Wendy and Lucy

that was only there for like two lines but is it's so memorable because of how bad her acting was it's like okay none of these people can act the dialogue is atrocious and that could work if it at any point felt like it was it was accurate to the slasher genre if it was bad acting and bad dialogue that felt authentic to cheesy 80 horror movies then it would be like okay this is very clearly a satire this is very clearly intentional. But unfortunately, the dialogue and acting were uniquely bad in a way where it just felt like,

okay, this was just terribly written, and these people can't act. Yeah. It didn't feel like it was recreating that. Like, maybe it thought it was, but it just, it wasn't, it wasn't, I don't know what the issue was with those scenes.

And it just made it extra frustrating. Yeah, it didn't feel like a parody. Yeah, it made it... Even if that was kind of the intent. It made it extra frustrating because we were no longer seeing it through the perspective of the killer. It's like, wait, I thought that was the gimmick. I thought that was the selling point was that we're going to see everything through the perspective of the killer. It makes sense at the end in that scene where she gets away in the, you know, the conversation in the vehicle.

It makes sense why you would want to break away from that eventually for like a different artistic narrative purpose. To wrap it up or whatever. But in the middle of the movie, it's... just felt like I was kind of being cheated, but not just because like, oh, they did something different that goes against the concept, but because it was also a uniquely terrible scene. Like it was, it was just a worst part of the movie. And that combined just, you know, I wasn't sold on it. And I also thought of ways where you could have kept it from the killer's perspective, right?

You could have him appearing behind the trees and then just, I don't know, boost the character's audio a bit, and if you really felt like that dialogue was important, you could just, you could have it from the perspective of like over the shoulder of this character. I think that maybe one of the reasons why they didn't do that is because practically, especially with a low budget and like really untalented, unprofessional actors or seemingly unprofessional, you would have to get them to memorize and perform a lot of lines without cuts. Because the, the way the rest of the movie is shot, if it's just over his shoulder,

there's a lot of long unbroken takes, right? So I could understand why a director would want to break away from that in this dialogue scene. But then you see the movie and it's like, this dialogue scene wasn't even necessary, right? No. If maybe you just had it like from over the shoulder perspective, let's say the characters in the background were out of focus.

And it was almost like a son of Saul type shot where it was the focal length. They were blurred in the background. Then practically, you could just have them ADR every line, and it wouldn't even matter if they flubbed their line. Yeah. Right? So there are solutions to this that seemed apparent to me, and I just, I wish that a different choice was made in those scenes in particular. Yeah.

It seemed like something that was like a slam dunk. Oh, this is an awesome idea in concept. But then, yeah, just bringing it to life is like, oh, this is a lot more kind of awkward by the end product. And I basically wind up in a terrified situation where I did. I showed someone just the kills from the movie. And I was like, look, I'm just going to skip past some of this. Because I'm not going to, I can't just sit you down and watch this with you because you're going to be like, what is this that you're showing me? Here's, the kills are cool.

Here's something to consider. This is Chris Nash's feature length directorial debut. So I think that there's a lot of talent on display here. And I think that. Agreed. There's probably, you know, probably a lot of issues with the movie are just the fact that it's a first feature and it has a really low budget, right? Yeah, I was trying to find the budget, but it's not an IDB.

Yeah. I think that maybe, you know, very likely. Three million. Nice. I think that it's likely enough that this film, if it got a sequel, like I'd be interested in seeing a sequel for sure. I think it's likely enough that it would be very improved. Because now we have proof of concept, and it did well in theaters, I'm pretty sure.

Like, it got a fairly wide release for what it is. I think that there's a possibility that there will be more investment in the future and that people will see, like, hey, you know, this guy knows what he's doing. He's made something that connects with a good chunk of people. And, yeah, I would be interested in seeing. a sequel and I would hope that it corrects some of the not as great aspects of the first film. Yeah. Like to me, I see personally a lot more potential with this filmmaker and this type of filmmaking

more than the terrifier kind of hype. Like the aesthetics were beautiful, the use of the location was amazing. Yes. I mean, it's technically very good. It's filmed in Canada. It's just. Yeah I'm just saying I just had another kill come to my head

That that wood chopping machine That kill is crazy It's so good Yeah Yeah those kills are It's genuinely like a These 10 out of 10 scenes trapped In almost like zero out of 10

Which is not worth watching thing But yeah There is more potential there For Chris Nash to expand on this kind of thing So yeah within, like, we're talking about two different, like, indie horror films, slasher films that are kind of, yeah, yeah, you know, in an interesting and weird way, they're kind of, like, reviving the genre. Because what have we had in the past 20 years, like, at all? Like, what

remake after remake of Texas Chainsaw, Halloween of, yeah, and they all suck. If, if, in a violent nature gets a sequel. and enough people connect with it, you could get this guy in Fortnite. Is that the measure of success now? Yes, it is. It really is. It really is. Kids to pay attention to.

Right? No, if it's a popular enough character, if it's iconic enough character, they'll show up in Fortnite, you could have, you know, like in the 80s, these classic icons that, you know, eventually after 20 years of recycling the same old ideas,

they were like, yeah, let's do Freddie versus Jason, right? What if you got Art the Clown versus, What's this guy's name? Johnny? I can't remember. Johnny. Yeah, Johnny. You're right.

How did you remember that? I was looking on IMDB on that one. Okay. That'd be funny if I pulled that one from memory. If you just, yeah. Yeah, there's really like nothing. I just Googled like horror movies or slasher movies the last 10 years. Yeah, there's like nothing that stands out.

Yeah. very interesting a house that jack belt yeah there's nothing yeah there's I like to bodies bodies bodies as far as like a that's like a better parody of a slasher film to me like more tongue and cheek

yeah that was more of a comedy for me yeah exactly yeah yeah an interesting era of slasher movies that we're in right now because now there's some like notable things happening and it seems you know, whenever you see a few successful things, then more show up also. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And I feel like, well, Terrify is a lot bigger than in a violent nature, but there's definitely potential for a sequel. I think in a violent nature, the first film had a more successful release than the first Terrifier. Yeah, you're probably right, but the budget is a lot higher, huh? I think it's higher than all the Terrify movies. Yeah, probably. I think it shows, to be honest. I mean it looks a lot better than any of the

terrifying movies to me yeah so what was the fucking it is also controversial right like there was a big trend on TikTok of people getting pissed off at inner environment and actually it's so boring it's just walking around it's kind of like what I just said but

I don't know if after Terrify 1 people were like hyped see more right and it was crazy and I don't know we'll see yeah but I think I think that in a Nature has its audience locked down in a better way. Yeah.

I think that there's probably more... I think the audience can expand. I think that the people that know that this is the type of thing that they have an appetite for will definitely be watching the sequel. And I don't think that it's really broken through in terms of the max potential of the people that would be interested in it. Yeah, I'd be kind of excited to see a sequel to that, which is like the inverse of TerraFoe to me.

Yeah, it's very interesting. Well, I thought that this was all right. I liked the concept, and there's things about it I liked, and I like that it's an indie type thing, and that it did something new, and it was taking risks, and it found an audience and did pretty well. So I'm giving this one a five out of ten. lots of uh lots of room to improve but uh i'd definitely be interested in seeing where this goes if they're going to make a sequel and you know see whatever

chris nash does next yeah i gave it the same rating like right down the middle because of it yeah it feels like these 10 out of 10 scenes trapped in something i just don't care about and it does sort of level out as a two and a half star for me um but yeah way more potential a lot of it is a state of my head. Yeah, I love that location shooting. It looks beautiful. Yeah, I think that's, there's just more going on to me, especially because I don't know, I feel like I'm more picky with slashes generally. And this felt truly like a new creative angle. So even if it doesn't fully come together for me, it's like, man, you really, you really put it all into that idea.

You took it to like, it's logical extreme and you've shown me some scenes that I'm never going to forget. So, props. Nice. literal props. Yeah. All right. You recommended a movie. I did recommend a movie. Possum,

2018, directed by Matthew Hons, Holness, and written by two, I believe based on a short story he wrote and expanded into a full feature. This is simple premise.

Sean Harris plays a disgraced puppeteer who kind of wanders around for 90 minutes and all is revealed in the last scene and then it ends

I don't know that's kind of a hand wavy way of describing it but this was recommended to me by my brother actually so if you don't like it you can send the the misery his way

oh you're passing the blame already Well preemptive blame passing here. I didn't even dislike this, to be honest. It didn't fully work for me. There was some good stuff going on. It was actually quite creatively inspiring where it's like, man, you've got some really good ideas here, some amazing shots even, some great concepts. That it feels almost like a first draft to me. Yeah.

It's like, man, if we could just, I don't know, maybe this is only the contents of a short, like maybe. like a 40 minute movie because there is structural problems after a certain point it starts getting incredibly repetitive. It would have worked as a short, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. But there was a lot about the location I enjoyed, the kind of bottle nature, the creepy, unnerving atmosphere.

I love that setting of like Suffolk, great Yarmouth, unique place to set it. But it's more where it goes and how it comes together in particular that I really. had an issue with which you can delve into shortly but what you didn't you didn't dig this huh I mean I just my there are some things that I liked about it but my biggest issue with it is it I can't shake the feeling of it being like derivative I feel like I've seen a lot of movies with the same tone and like the same goals and I just I it didn't feel like it broke through into being its own unique thing that justified its existence for me.

I just, yeah, I feel like I've seen a good chunk of even British movies that feel very similar to this, you know? Yeah, I know it a few down that I'd consider like a better, more interesting, British, like a vague countryside type setting, be it men recently, I thought was great. Oh yeah. The ritual is a really cool British horror film. Nice. Not set in the UK, but it is British. I saw porn of the monster today.

I was looking through a feed. Really? It's like a... And I was like, there's only like... It's like a Swedish myth thing, isn't it? Or something like... Yeah, I don't... Well, actually, I don't know.

We're talking about the David Bruckner thing, right? Yeah, yeah, the ritual. Yeah, yeah. Someone made porn of it. That's crazy. Wow I'm almost curious But maybe I'll leave it to you later

Um Under the Skin Another British horror film One of my favorite Horror films probably As far as a deep unsettling atmosphere And showing me images Man, there's a shot in that film

That just God, it freaks me out And I read a review for Possum Saying like, yeah, it's a little bit like the Babadook A Race Ahead and Under the Skin had a love child and to me it's like I guess kind of but it's it's like a love child that's identical or doesn't have its own identity compared to those movies and I don't even love the babadook yeah I always find it to be like a weird disservice when you see reviews comparing it to other movies that are just so much better than it like not even close not

even comparable. It's like, oh, damn, like, I get that you're trying to market it, and I get that you want to make that association of other successful things, and people go, ooh, I want to see that thing again, see something that's, like, familiar, I guess, but, like, damn, it never, it never works for me whenever I see those comparisons. I mean, like, these comparisons are evident even without the reviews, I guess. But I, it just, it lacks a strong identity, and it makes me just want to have been watching the other things that I remember. Yeah, it seemed like it was torn between trying to be a Babadook or something more abstract like an eraserhead. And to me, I was enjoying it a lot more when it was more abstract and I was kind of trying to follow the

clues and interpret like, what is going on with this missing child thing? Is he, there's something morally ambiguous about this creepy character and like what he's doing and why he's doing it. And there is something disturbing about him going to the school he went to when he was a kid and acting like a child in the halls and talking to teachers. And that kind of stuff's like really interesting and intriguing to me. I was really deflated by that final confrontation where it felt like, oh, you're just, you're just kind of giving me all the answers and explaining this through dialogue now in this slow, quiet atmosphere led mood piece. And then I said, oh, I kind of would have preferred to be left guessing or maybe questioning. a bit more of what's going on here. That really, I feel, like, hurt the film to me.

Because, yeah, some of that imagery I thought was great. Outside of the repetition, him carrying this bag around and taking it to this tree and all this imagery that mimics the spider fingers and the, that was cool in that final confrontation actually when it's the uncle character takes his gloves off. And he has these huge fingers that mimic the spider legs and all kind of comes together that way. Yeah, sorry, full spoilers, obviously. You did that three stories this episode. Oh, God, sorry. Whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, when he takes the bag to the tree trunks and it looks like also the kind of spider imagery and just kind of personifying this grief or misery that this character has and the idea of him trying to remove himself or get rid of it and it always coming back to him. There is something there. There is a cool, creepy idea. to that and the design of the puppet was cool.

I just feel like there wasn't enough done with it. If he's a disgrace puppeteer, maybe it would have been cool to have a scene where you see why he's disgraced or I don't know. You can imagine a creepy scene of him showing this thing to like a room of kids and everyone like losing their minds or whatever. There's something you could do. Especially if they're going to be so explicit about like the reveal anyway,

you know, if we're not leaving things up to a lot of interpretation, then you might as well. I feel like I enjoyed the design of the creature puppet thing, but the effect was kind of lost on me over time because of how much they showed it, where it's like if they showed less of it than I wouldn't have. It lost its edge after a while.

It lost its novelty. I'd need to either keep it more obscured or to like double down and have some crazy puppeteering or something and get really strange. in abstract with it and I've been talking to it or something and I don't know how actual puppeteering beyond just slight little moments of it. I was really thinking like, man, if there was some way to take these ideas and package it in some sort of stop motion, creepy, Mary and Max looking film, that could be like a really

cool horror movie in there and like really utilize the puppetry ideas and have that like parallel going on. But yeah, it's obviously limited by it's a very small budget. I think it was only 800 grand or so, which considering is cool. There was some impressive imagery in there, like the black balloons on the beach, like resembling his

like lost childhood and, yeah, the black rain going down on him and the creepy book and whatnot. A lot of cool ideas, but as I say, needed some expansion or trimming. You know, there's a lot of cool

ideas, but like I really like the kind of screen presence of Sean Harris too. He's got a certain intensity to him and I did like his performance. Him and the Maurice Allen Armstrong character I thought actually were both effective for what they did. It's just more that repetitive structure that was holding it back. I could see the potential of what Sean Harris was bringing this character and like where it perhaps could go, but it just wasn't, it wasn't bringing any emotional response out of me. And like, I don't I'm quite easy to like scare in these movies if you're built like under the skin.

I just said that it terrifies me that movie because it builds this like realistic world, this uneasy tone. But it just wasn't a world that I was getting lost in. I was kind of intrigued as to where it was going to go, but it kind of fumbles it towards the end. And I'm more just left with some inspiring concepts that don't fully come together instead of something that really left me unnerved like it did my brother or whatever, I'm not really scared of spiders either

I'm kind of like one of those freaks that kind of like spiders so that doesn't inherently freak me out in the same way but I did like how the face of the spider puppet thing kind of resembled him and was more of a clue as to what it represented and it seemed like oh there's like a lot going on here to for me to fill in the blanks so yeah just having that spelled out did take something away from it for me

I felt like the main character reminded me of limi show very often. Lemmy show. The guy is it, I think that's his name, Limmy show. Limmy's show. Do you know who that is? Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I do. Yeah, there's that meme of him, like, waking up. And he's like, you know what I'm talking about, that image where he's like.

Yeah, I do. I do. So when he, like, woke up in the mud, I just saw that. It was kind of funny for me. He also had a very funny run, and I get that they're trying to be like, okay, this is like a, you know, traumatized, damaged character, but it felt silly to me. Well, mostly just because I wasn't taking the movie as a whole, like,

as seriously as I probably could have or should have. See, I like that body language he was bringing, like the way he was holding his arms and the way he was walking around, that worked for me, actually, and that, like, awkward, quiet performance he was bringing. there was a presence to it for me. Yeah. I'm kind of glad that this movie wasn't like a masterpiece or anything,

because the conditions of me watching it yesterday, while my room's like a fucking mess, and I've got so much other shit on my mind, like fresh after a move as I'm setting up. Like, it was going to be distracted watch either way, so I'm glad that it wasn't. Maybe it made it more immersive for those grotesque scenes in that house with all of the, I thought those were cool sets

with the way the house looked and the walls appealing and this I know something creepy about that. Yeah, do you think, how much do you think the, but, like, how much do you think they paid Asmond gold to film in his house? Well, they can't do it anymore. He's cleaning it up his act now.

Allegedly. Hasn't he cleaned his house once before? Like, it's just going to get filthy again. I couldn't tell you. Because I'm kind of new to this. I only heard that the rat alarm clock story this morning actually I heard that clip

that should be in a horror movie that's some grotesque shit I would like to see that character study I think you can make an art house film yeah yeah biopic Asman gold the most disgusting

millionaire you know you can hire a maid but you'd have to interact with a human being in real life so I guess that's off the table uh huh Yeah, that is like a horror short story right there. Yeah.

My bleeding gums are wiped on the walls. Yeah. Yeah, so I even said before we started recording this episode, I don't have a lot to say about possum. I liked the color palette. There's some things I like about, you know, the visual presentation. I love the overall look of the film, like 35 millimeter film. I like the balloon shot. Yeah, the balloon one's really cool.

The score was good, not like mine. blowing but like I enjoyed the music I did not enjoy the musical stings whenever there was a jump scare there was a lot of really bad jump scares there was that one really delayed one when he was like on his bed and he looks at it and then like two seconds later the jump scare noise happens I'm like what yeah I didn't need that um which is unfortunate because there was this this this puppet should be able to creep me out more does look freaky and it's like the way that music was being used for those stings yeah it was taking the punch away from the scare yeah it was like man you've almost got the restraint about right here almost

you're like you're just dropping it right at the last minute for what I'm looking for from this kind of psychological horror yeah the the the stings themselves were really like basic and cheesy and we're kind of a disservice to the movie Yeah, I thought that really clashed with the quietness for the rest of how it was being presented. A lack of restraint almost. I've always thought like, I've always seen this poster on MDB and thought, that looks cool. What is the secret going on here with this bag, with the spider legs coming out with it? That's intriguing.

But yeah, it can't maintain it. They should have called it spider bag. Spider bag. We'll get that soon enough. I'll just AI generated soon. Yeah, someone in 10 years, AI generate the better version of this movie and then send it to us.

We'll see if it's better. Yeah, I don't know. This feels like there's room to, I don't know, you could do so much more with these ideas here, and remake this at some point. Get Luca Guadigio on it or something. Hell yeah. American Psycho.

I don't know. Yeah, that's the latest drama, huh? Yeah. Just like the... Is it even drama? What was the other movie who was going to remake that has gone to know a Scarface, was it? Something really random like that? I feel like he was attached to it.

Yeah, I think that was news for a minute. Yeah, we'll see. I'll see that. There's one other thing that I disliked about this movie, and it was just the frequency of, like, kind of repetitive blueballing and, like, just, a scare and then like oh I just woke up sort of like I don't know it's that repetitive structure yeah it needed it needed a bit more momentum with meandering yeah yeah I felt that big um sort of had me at first but it was like just that repetitive oh he's trying to get rid of it

but it's come back oh he's tried again it's coming back but it just needed some other element to carry me through that stuff um and it just doesn't quite find its footing for me. But yeah, this film is included on a lot of, like, the best horror movie you've never even heard of, like, type lists. Show me the publications. Are they British? Probably, yeah.

Yeah, so there's your answer. Yeah. But I don't know, I do like it. It was intriguing. It did kind of feel long despite its hour 25 minute runtime, which is like the perfect runtime for this type of movie form.

me, but it, yeah, almost felt double that, um, at points. But yeah, I love that, I love that main character. Yeah, I'm, yeah, it was a, it was an all right kind of like, passive watch in the sense that, like, I wasn't very invested, but I was just kind of like seeing what it was sort of thing. And it was fine. Mm-hmm. What it was. I just, yeah, the biggest issue is it just, like, I'm going to forget about this movie in about 10 seconds. Like, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't have enough to stick with me. Yeah. Yeah, I'd probably, because as it stands, this is sort of a low three star for me. I really, I don't know, it might have been a low seven almost, if not for the way it wrapped up, because then I would have, unlike you, been left thinking about like, what

certain parts of it means, like what does this recurring fox mean and the, the stories related to it and who is really responsible for this? Is this uncle character even real? And this kind of thing and I really feel like that that end sequence takes a lot of that punch out of it. But a lot of cool ideas here, but only really enough for a 40 minutes short or so. I'm giving this one, four out of ten. Fair. All right. There's a movie that you haven't seen yet, but since we're on a Halloween episode,

I'm just going to make a quick shout out. The new Steven Soderberg presence, it's really great. Oh, cool. Yeah. I wouldn't really call it a horror movie. What kind of, I don't know anything about it. What's the, yeah, what's the horror aspect of it? It's, well, it's a ghost movie, well, presence.

You could say ghost, I guess. But the gimmick is the entire movie is shot through the perspective of the presence that's like around the house. And so the characters, the family in the house, like, doesn't see the presence, but you're kind of just like voyeuristically watching these characters and like really long, unbroken shots and like really smooth kind of, you know, omnibusely. present camera movements, omniscient camera movements. Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. It's really great. Yeah, this looks really cool, actually.

Yeah. Such an interesting filmmaker. Yeah. I need to check out some more of his stuff. I've checked out a bunch, but like, there are heaps. There's a few of his best that I still haven't seen. Yeah, same. Yeah, and I guess I saw,

because I did BFI, well, the London Film Festival for like five days last week. That was it. I sort of, it was really good for the most part. The only thing, I was, I don't know, it was the first one like I've organized on my own. So I don't really know the full filtering process as far as like what I probably should avoid for my tastes. Because I wound up seeing three of these, what I thought looked like really fascinating documentaries. On subject matter, I found interesting, but all three of them just felt like parody of themselves, like, oh my God, this is not why I'm interested in documentaries or this type of filmmaking, like, I don't know, man. It was crazy how long it was making these hour long run times feel.

Documentaries are a tough one, because you got a, my filtering process is I look at the concept and I think, can you stretch that out for the runtime? Because that's a big problem that documentary is fall into. It's because you're, you know, you're not constructing a story. You're kind of just working off of like an existing thing. Exactly. Yeah. And it felt like that. Yeah. Well, literally like, I mean, all three of them were like well made, beautifully shot.

But the substance just wasn't there. So every like half the film is just like these sleepy environmental shots of like an ant walking across a leaf. Like the exact type of parody stuff you think of, you know, when you hear of like, I guess, outhouse documentary or whatnot. But yeah, everything else I saw was wonderful, including as I get to this Spanish horror movie called The Whaling. You know, I saw your rating for that, and I was terrified that it was a remake of the Korean film called The Whaling, and I looked it up and it doesn't appear to be.

No, no, it's original. It's fully original. I won't say much about it because I was surprised by how it maintained its tension and atmosphere and scares throughout the entire movie without babadooking itself, you know? It felt really unique to me. So keep an eye out for the whaling when that hopefully gets picked up broadly.

Sure. A nice surprise from the festival as far as horror stuff's concerned. Was that your favorite one from the festival? What else did you see? No, I think my favorite was queer. Nice. The last thing I saw.

That was, yeah, that was quite an experience. I didn't realize it was based on the book. So I wasn't expecting it to go the places it went. Yeah. In a way that's like, oh, hell yeah. Yeah, William Esperes. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love Naked Lunch, and I didn't even know really about the story of this book.

And, uh, yeah, I'm still thinking about that one. I was even surprised by, like, The Apprentice was amazing. Okay. I'd really recommend that, too. Nice. Yeah, it was a good festival for my, so I'm I really annoyingly missed a Nora. I had ticket for it, but I missed my train by one minute so it didn't work out. Yeah, I had to sell it on Twitter.

I was real bummed about that, but it comes out in a couple weeks or so, so hopefully I can catch that somewhere more local. Yeah, I was bummed about that one. Damn. How often do the trains run? How early were you planning on being for the show? I left a full hour before. Like I was ready for this, but I was stuck on a roundabout for half an hour. What?

You can get stuck on roundabouts? It was, it just all time, it was timed. So I was, I hit this roundabout right at morning rush hour. So I was just stuck on it. Like, and there's nothing I could do. Oh, no! And as I got into the car park to park up my car, the train was leaving. So you're literally going in circles for like 20 minutes?

No, it's more like, imagine being on a roundabout that is. about that isn't moving. Oh, God. Like, it's just locked. Oh! That was supposed to solve congestion. And it was like a five-minute walk. Yeah.

Yeah. So that did piss me off. That sucks. And I'm bummed about that, but yeah. What else did I see? Oh, Hard Truths I enjoyed quite a lot. Um, Mike Lee was there. That was enjoyable.

I really got a kick out of a real pain. I didn't see Jesse Eisenberg's other movie, but I didn't hear it was. too much to talk about but uh jesse eisenberg his other movie is why i didn't see a real pain at tiff so now that this is getting good reception yeah i think i'll catch it karen koken and him are a great combo good they've got like a really good dynamic and yeah kieran koken kind of carries the movie for me um i don't know if you'd enjoy it quite as much as me but yeah something about that really worked um yeah 90 minutes look at that

Yeah, flew by. Question time? Yeah, let's do some questions then from the Sardunnercast community. Head over to the suggestion thread over on the subreddit if you want to leave questions for future episodes. Let's start with this one from Ivan J.C.98. What is a scene from any piece of media that genuinely made you cry? I got a few of these, man. I'd be crying at loads of movies.

The first one that passed into my head. The second Lord of the Rings movie, the speech by the grave that King Theoden has about, no parent should have to bury their child. He's got this wheeze as he starts crying, puts his hand on his face, and the music picks up, and Gandalf comes in, oh, love it, that breaks me every time.

Dear Zachary is a pretty obvious one. The obvious one. Yeah. Just watch the movie. Yeah. I'm not sure if I can ever watch that again, to be honest. What do you mean? It's great.

I mean, it's amazing. It's kind of like a grave of the firefly situation for me. Or it's like, I'm not sure if I can deal with that again. But there are some like sad scenes in movies I like revisiting to feel that emotion. Like this is one line in the whale towards the end where Brendan, He's like spins around on his chair and it's like, I need to know I've done one thing right in my life. Yeah. And it's just this like desperation.

That's a great shot. Coming out of him. And this honesty to his performance there that that really upsets me in the right way that the films. It's just really connected with me in that moment. A big one, honestly, this is England, the show. It's just like every other episode with that. Nice. There are some incredible, realistic scenes of driving.

that are like heartbreaking, mostly with the Woody character. I'm quite attached to, but there's a, and there's a famous scene from, this is England 90. It's like a half an hour scene just at a dinner table. You'll know if you've seen it, which is like the most emotionally exhausting, intense sequence, which is, yeah, that's another one that kind of pops into my head when I think about this. I didn't even know any musical ones down. I didn't notice any piece of media. I thought it was just movies, but countless songs will bring a tear to my eye

and not necessarily just because it sounds sad or whatever. It's a sad thing. But just because, like, oh, man, this is speaking to me in a way, no other art form can. Yeah, I remember the first time I watched the six feet under finale, I think I cried. That's, yeah. That's a gut punch one right there.

Or even like a kind of happy, inspiring one. I guess I was just like the perfect age to hear it. But there's this scene in Treasure Planet, right? Disney's Treasure Planet. Where the antagonist and the protagonist have this, the antagonist like is propping up the protagonist in the scene. And he just has this like, it's so well written. It's almost like jarring.

in that film where he's like saying he's got the makings of greatness in him and he's like I hope I'm there catching some of the light coming off you and it's a really great scene like buried in an otherwise all over the place movie but that's that's always stayed with me I guess just kind of was probably around the age of the main character at the time and just I don't know something really good about it. All right next question um just too good actually has one for us with joker two finally in theaters if you had to give a sequel to a best picture nominee from the last five years which would it be aside from Dune um you could do a a joker too that film deserves a

sequel right we could do tar too re colon tar and it's just borderlands I reckon you you might be actually you might be able to do that at heart too yeah with with a good enough script you might actually be able to make that work yeah it'll be tough honestly though you could you could do a top gun maverick sequel give it more plain scenes and less romance or whatever and tighten up a little bit i'd be there for that let me look at the best picture nominee is for the past 10 years hold on let's see where do I find them here you could do a sequel to bohemian rhaps no but like make it actually uh honest don't have the same guy make it of course

but uh let's see yeah not a lot of uh in the 2020s I don't see a whole lot that really speaks to me in this concept uh there's some that have generally not a thought you're left with yeah generally not yeah what the fuck this is it's shocking how none of these are really

making me feel that Moonlight 2 I mean I would like to see a sequel to Phantom Thread just because I like the movie and if it's the same filmmakers you know Same crew

Yeah yeah Like I'm sure It's one of those things where it's like You get somebody talented They can make it work Mm-hmm Yeah exactly Ah damn call me by your name

The sequel that will never happen because Army Hammer decided to be a cannibal God, that's so wild. Yeah, not a lot. I think just as a general rule, it's not really the best picture sequel situation. Anyone's really creative or interested in? Yeah.

Maybe like a, to mimic, like, the superhero film industry, you could do like a Birdman too. Yeah. Bring him back again and do it again. Love the Revenant would not want to see a sequel. No. It's like, how,

how many times is this guy going to go through a bad day? Yeah. Okay. All right, that's, yeah, not much. Mysterious ad, 8-9, 7-8 says this. Random pull, but I'm curious. Do you guys still have your 2020 vision?

Never seen your glasses. You don't wear contacts or anything like this? I haven't had an eye test, like maybe since I was 14. I'm like 30 now. So maybe I should. Looking at screens all day. I mean, I don't, the last time I got my eyes checked, I didn't have 2020. There was like a small prescription in one of my eyes, but I've never needed like glasses or contacts.

You never noticed any. Yeah, yeah. I'm not having any issues. Yeah, I'll touch wood on that one and, uh, eventually. I hope nothing happens. I like, I like my eyes. Yeah. Yeah, both my parents have to wear them now, so I'm sure I'll join them one day.

Efficient Parking 27 is this one for you, Adam. Have you considered updating your list of favorite films? It's almost been 10 years since the last one. I've considered it. What's that an IMDB list? But, where is this list? It is on IMDB, but just like, I don't know, did I private it?

Maybe I should. Because it is outdated, yeah. I think it was like. It will be crazy outdated, yeah. Yeah. It would take me a while to make a new list. I would almost want to, if I do make a list of my, favorite movies to like shorten it up to like a top 20 or something because then that's more like

definitive and easy to yeah just cut it down yeah but yeah I've considered it but it's another thing that I would have to spend time doing and I'm busy so yeah mecha mayhem has an interesting one what are your thoughts on Matt Johnson directing an Anthony Bourdain biopic um you know I was reading about this this morning he's it's only rumors at this point but he's attached to it in some form I think uh I'm curious, the last biopic was excellent. Blackberry was very well made. I'm just not sure. I don't know, there's some sensitive stuff in the Bord Dame one.

I'm not sure how you'd really navigate. It could be. Yeah. How do you do it respectfully, I guess. It depends, like, how much of a departure from his, like, familiar style we see, which he's fully capable of. You know, there's some sequences in Nirvana the band The Show that parody other styles that, you know, he doesn't seem to have any issue with, so.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, like, if I trust him enough to not be worried about it, I guess. Yeah. And, uh, yeah. And the benefit of the doubt. If he, yeah, if he gets projects that put him a bit more on the map, then that's a great thing. So. Yeah.

I'm glad it's, Blackberry's boosting him up. Let's do this one from Dr. Spunk, 2019. Would letterboxed work better? if it had a direct message feature and by that extent do you think that film review websites could work as dating sites as well it seems like a horrible idea yeah um yeah like letterbox has its value to me because it's more of like a diary like you don't even need to look at the comments or any of this shit um once you're adding in DMing and whatnot like let alone what do you mean dating app that just sounds like a horrible idea stick to tinder or whatever or Yeah, stick to bark. Yeah, I can't be doing with that. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that might work for some people,

but you could also use other existing dating apps and just put your favorite movies in your description. And if that's how you want to connect with people. Exactly, you can. Yeah, or like a local film club or something. In person, I want to know. I don't, yeah. It feels like a better angle than sneaking someone's DMs through letterbox.

That just sounds like a horrible idea. Speaking of horrible ideas, BBD4116 says, do you think actors will ever start being more open about their use of PEDs and steroids when preparing for roles? Seeing guys like the Rock, Hugh Jackman and Chris Hensworth look like they do at their age, and deny or avoid claims of using these substances always feels disingenuous and weird to me, especially because no one actually believes they're natural. I would like it, if they're more honest.

So there isn't any sort of expectation to look like Thor from those freaky movies where it's like it doesn't seem like a positive, like body standard to set. Like my example is always to go back to Harrison Ford. and Blade Runner in the 80s where it's like takes his shirt off and he looks like a real person. Like he just looks like a dude who works out a bit, you know? It's not like absurd. It doesn't look like action man.

It doesn't look crazy. I wish they could be more honest about it. Because it's like, come on. Like I saw Depp or Wolverine. Hugh Jackman is so old. So jacked, man. And it's not creepy. Why are you lying?

Because in like the original X-Men in 2000. he like again it's more like the Harrison Ford in the 80s thing it looks like a real person and by the time he gets like 2015 he's so like water starved and like muscles bulge into a degree where it's like man it's can't be good for you no and more and more people are abusing steroids too yeah it's it's just the fact that a lot of movie stars are like brands you know their products yeah you can't expect them to be real people because they're not, or at least the, the imagery we see is not the real person anyway, so.

Mm-hmm. And it goes all the way to, like, fitness influences and stuff like that who are making these YouTube shorts with their, like, jacked arms or whatever. And there was, like, that 30-year-old guy who, like, died of, like, heart failure semi-recently from abusive steroids and this kind of stuff. And it's like, man, showing us to... to kids basically on their YouTube shorts. This can't be a net positive, huh?

Probably not. Well, I guess speaking on letterboxed and IMDB and these sorts of things, I like movie 77 says this. Can we ever get a rate your musical music ball for those juicy music tastes and a backed log? Do you know anything about these?

Do you have any interest in going beyond? It seems like more work right now I'm so busy Yeah I can just about do it with Movies and when letterbox finally adds TV That would be cool Yeah and then yeah also just I pimped out my Fucking Spotify playlist

Already so if you want to hear some tunes that I like That I currently like go search The Bangers with the Z playlist Adam Johnston Spotify you'll find it. Yeah, and I've I've tried out the video game ones before, backlogged. Nah, bad UI, like clunky. I just, I don't know, it gets to a point where it's like so obsessive, like tracking all this stuff. I've got to just put my hands up and be like, I'll just do movies, okay? I can't. I just can't. You can rate games on IMDB. True, you can, but I don't use

IMDB for that. Yeah. No more. It's been usurped. I'm the last one Still going You are the lost When you're gonna do it? Are you gonna do it? I don't know Too stubborn to ever It's not about being stubborn

The fact that I can't rate fucking TV shows Is like insane on letterboxed I don't like the social aspect I don't like that it's like a fucking popularity contest Like I just want to log my movies That's all I'm interested in I don't care about the fucking Who wants to make the best quip

and then people getting mad in the comments sort of aspect to it, right? I don't mind that. It's kind of funny to me. It's just, it's not the type of thing that I want. Yeah. Yeah. Not for me. Let's do this one from Jojo's crazy Reddit.

Which hiatus filmmaker would you like to see make a comeback? Much like how it took Todd Field 16 years from little children to finally making tar. My pick would have to be Frank Darabont, seeing his last film was 17 years, the 2007s, The Mist. God, it was... Wow. In 2021, he was unstable... Sorry, unable to find financing with a script he made about the American Civil War from an unproduced screenplay by Stanley Kubrick.

Recently, it's been announced that he's directing episodes for the final season of Stranger Things, so I'm hoping this will be his chance to make a grand return to filmmaking. Yeah, I'd like to see that, actually. Yeah, that's a good... That's a good pick there. I can't believe 17 years since the Mist. That's wild. And that sounds like a really cool project too.

That's crazy that, like, Darabond couldn't get something like that made, considering his... That's the studio system, huh? Yeah. It's crazy that fucking talented artists can't get their projects funded and that they have to do superhero nonsense. Uh-huh. Yes, upsetting.

I don't know what Michelle Hanukkah's health is like, and he's very old, but I'd, you know, if you can pump one more out, that would be cool. He was supposed to do, like, a miniseries, and then that got scrapped. He hasn't made a film since 2017. I guess on a similar note, like Alfonso Coron, he did, he did do a miniseries recently, right? But he hasn't done a feature since Roma, right? That was a while ago now. It was a while like 2018 or something.

Let's see another film from him. There's definitely more to explore with that style than what he brings. So I haven't heard the greatest things about this mini series he's doing. But I'd like to see more from him. Yeah. Another one that kind of stood out to me was, uh, I do, I would love to see Peter Jackson go back to his roots,

do something crazy, maybe have some puppets in there. Yeah. Just something away from the studio system maybe, because he's been, he's like jaded from all that too, huh? Um, with what happened with The Hobbit.

And he's just kind of worked in documentaries since. So I'd love to see at least one more passion project or something smaller from him would be called. I'm torn on Shane Caruth Yeah I'm torn on it He's a very talented artist But also a psychopath

Yeah it's more of a coin flip Yeah It's one of those I mean yeah I just kind of work I just assume It's just safer to assume there are psychopaths To be honest then you're not like disappointed When it comes out

What's what's Mike, what's my boy up to, Charlie Kaufman? He's writing something, right? Did you see that, Dreamwax? Maybe he did? I never saw that. He, like, wrote on it. Yeah, I forgot to...

They feel like... Well, I mean, there's... Yeah, there's definitely aspects that feel like him. But, you know, it's got... Especially in the second half, there's issues, narratively. But then also, like, the character design is... Like, you should have had better character design

and better voice actors. It's like, I think a guy... Oh, really? Yeah. There's like a guy pretending to be Seth Rogan, but not. Like, there's things about it

that could have been, like, fixed. There's things about it that I liked also, but I think I gave it a six. Yeah. I always read the title as Onion and the Dark. Could have been. Yeah, Dreamworks does a thing where they take these...

These cool children's books that have quite interesting character designs and art styles and then, like, broaden them to a degree, but something, this kind of has lost the character in a way. Yeah. Needed more stickiness.

He's only got one credit in pre-production, the memory police. That's a co-writer. Yeah. I hope he doesn't struggle to get more made. I mean, it's been four years since thinking of ending things. Yeah. I mean, what was the news that came out a few days ago? just going to go to my subreddit because I think if I scroll...

About Charlie? Yeah, he's... It's weird to call him Charlie. You know he's Kaufman. I think he's writing for something. There was news recently and I forget. Here we go. Charlie Kaufman to write Bennett Miller's new movie.

So the guy that did Foxcatcher. Do I know who... Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, that's not... Was that their last movie? I think so. That was it, that was ages ago.

2014. Gosh. Mm-hmm. Okay, that could be interesting then. Yeah. Yeah, there's, there's, there's, there's a bunch of these out there. Fucking, uh, yeah, there's a lot of really talented directors that like, take like 10 years to get a movie made, but.

Mm-hmm. I just, yeah, I like it when it's on the director's terms. Yeah. And not when it's a Darimont situation. Because there's something really sad about that. Very. He's such a talented filmmaker. Yeah, what the hell?

He's got like two movies in the top 250. Mm-hmm. And he hasn't made that many movies. No. I was, you know, if memoir of a snail wasn't out, I would have said Adam Elliott. But that one's getting a release soon. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't get tickets for that one.

They went instantly. Damn. It wasn't even playing it, TIF. No, no. It had a screening only for buyers, so not even press. Oh, that's annoying. Yeah. Yeah, I think they underestimated how popular it was going to be at my one,

because they put it in like the dinky cinema. Oh. I think you could probably fill a little bigger room than that, but... Generally, it's up to the distributors. Yeah, that makes sense. So if you get like a only one screening, it's because they just don't want as many people to see it before the wide release sort of thing. Right. Yeah, I'm really excited to see that, though. It's getting great word of mouth.

Yeah, I'm very hyped. You want to do one more? Okay, let's do this one from the Lego Movie Man, 1968. What are your thoughts on the word homage? Or is it homage? Homage? Homage? Howmage? It's something I often hear in a negative context, such as people that claim that Quentin Tarantino's homages are just stealing and getting away with it. but I was wondering what was pro and con the two of you might have towards it.

I mean, homage I would use in circumstances where it's not like ripping something off. I wouldn't call it an homage if it felt like a ripoff. So like, like Joker, for example, an obvious homage to... I would call that a ripoff. Yeah, that was my issue too, because that's kind of what it comes down to. That was just going through the motions of the other things. But not as good and not making something new and fresh out of it. Like, homage, I would say, is, like, kind of evocative of something else,

is to, like, remind you and make, like, a clear connection to another thing, but not to use it as a crutch, right? Yeah. Like, if you're still creating your own thing. Yeah, that's why I prefer the term, like, spiritual successor or something. Yeah, I think Tarantino is a good example because I like it when it's worn on the sleeve and there is kind of like an awareness of the filmmaker and like almost the more he leans into it, the more entertaining it can be when he doesn't feel restricted by that. But yeah, Joker is a good example of the inverse where it's like this can't find its own voice in just this one to one, but you're not even letting me. try and settle on this new stuff because it's so distractingly similar to what is inspiring it.

And there was an interesting reply from V for Volta, who said, among others, much like, and much like Edgar Wright sometimes, who's often more seen as a collage artist, than one who's able to channel his influences into something more transformative, as well as being personal, in a way that would garner a more critical respect as it does, like a contemporary, like PTA. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that my relationship with Tarantino definitely changed once I watched more and realized to what extent he's the giant fanboy he is. And originality is sort of out the window as, as a, sorry, it's just written weirdly here.

As a quality, you can really credit him as having. Saying this, Kill Bill might be my favorite film of his in part because of the way it feels like he's a lying himself to be unapologetically true to himself and his fanboy nature. If this makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, that's a good way putting it. But I mean, yeah, like he still brings something new to the table. he still has his own style yeah i agree and i feel like that's where the the like cornetto trilogy stands

out as what was even his last one called that like really was a mess that edgar wright film that was kind of like the one that was not in the cornetto trilogy the one that's not yeah um that isn't baby driver uh what was even cool man i it was so forgettable to me i know right i know let's see It was like half horror thing. Last night in Soho. That's right. Very terrible. With that felt like it felt like it was homageing something, but not really finding its own identity in the mess of it.

Yeah. That just, yeah, that felt very basic. Hmm. Well, I appreciate when directors do homages and it still feels like them. you know the substance wears its inspirations on its sleeve but it still manages to yeah but create something new and fresh and like you've never seen before yeah exactly exactly right a really good bad recent example is uh what was it called alien romulus oh the just that's so egregious to the point where you're like pulling dialogue in a way that's like putting the brakes on the

entire movie to a homage or reference. It's not even omize. It's not, you can't even really call it a homage. It's like a direct reference remake thing. It's member berries, nonsense. Yeah, that's like the worst, worst examples of it when it's member berry stuff. When it's like, I don't know, at least with the Joker thing, it's like, there's something more respectable about that than it doing it on purpose.

So if you're going to use anything as a template. I guess, use the King of Comedy or something instead of, I don't know, there's not much in it, just remaking shot for shot or slowing the film down to point with the audience and clap with the audience. It's just something so like skin-crawlingly insufferable about it. All right, I guess that's it for questions. Yeah, I think we did it.

And I'm trying to figure out what the fuck to recommend. Hmm, we're out of the scary season Yeah Do we have a American Thanksgiving Movie? Hmm, all right, I'm going to look at my shit here

Uh Give me a good one, give me a crazy one Crazy one Yeah, something that's inverse opossum Something that's going to electrify me Okay I think that there's a safe recommendation for something that you haven't seen that I think I would be comfortable just doing

a watch along for. Let's do but boy. 2019, but boy. Okay, it's in my watch list already. Assume the position. Yeah. So I think I've mentioned this on the podcast before.

It's something that I revisit every once in a while. And I think it's a safe Joker 2 A safe what And butt boy And butt boy Yeah That's a great combo

Yeah I think it'll pair well I love that 2019 But boy But boy directed by Tyler

Kornack And it's a movie that more people should see So Um if you don't want to be spoiled for But Boy Watch it before the next episode Which is not what I was anticipating

You know, it had to happen eventually Uh-huh And I think now's the time I dig it If you don't want to be spoiled for But boy Watch it Before the next episode comes out You episodes come out every two weeks

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Joker 2 fully do butt boy. All right, thanks for listening, everybody. That's the title that commands your attention. It really does. Like, it's undeniably intriguing, right? Yeah. Yeah, thanks for watching, everybody. Thanks.

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