Sardonicast - Sardonicast #19: Venom, Pink Floyd The Wall

Episode Date: October 31, 2018

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Three, two, one. Viewer, beware, you're in for a scare. Remember goosebumps? Yeah. You guys watched that show? Yeah. I did, yeah. It was a decent show.

It was Canadian. Halloween's going to be coming soon, I guess. This is probably the last episode that's going to air before Halloween. We're Sardana cast. I'm Adam from Your Movie Sucks. It's always a game. If he was going to say it first. I'm Alex.

from my everything. I just like interrupting when you inevitably ramble on about your Twitter or whatever. Oh, well, people like to hear that. YouTube.com slash Ralph the Movie Maker. Yeah, that's the one. Speaking of Canada, we're going to legalize weed really soon.

Really? I thought you already legalized weed. Nah, it was, well, I mean, like, the motion was passed or however it works, but it comes into effect in a couple days. So it'll be legal across the country in like two days. Yeah. Hopefully the U.S. follows very soon.

Really no reason for it to be illegal at this point. Honestly, I think the drug war has failed. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't think heroin should be on the streets, but like, what's we doing? It's on the streets right now. Do you want to have this debate? I can have this debate. Nah.

I'd rather talk about Venom. Yeah, well, go for it. What did you think of Venom then? Oh, well, I wanted you guys to start, because I wanted to be like the contrarian. I assume you guys didn't like it at all. It wasn't good. Yeah, it was completely leftless. Well, I didn't think it was good, but it wasn't as bad, I think, as...

Well, because, like, a lot of comparisons are being made to Suicide Squad, right? And the Amazing Spider-Man, and, like, walking into this movie dreading it, I didn't think it was that bad and I thought it was either kind of decent or like so bad that it was funny for all of it. What came close to being decent for you?

I thought Tom Hardy was pretty good. Like, yeah, I thought he was genuinely trying. Because here's the thing, everyone else in the movie is fucking awful. Riz Ahmed is awful. Michelle Williams is awful. And it's because I don't think they were really trying.

And Tom Hardy like took this awful dialogue and sold it and he actually like a character got across from both him and venom right so i i give him props for that like he did his job and he did a good job when you what do you mean when you say him and venom was he voicing venom too i think so yeah he was my brother told me okay interesting i didn't know that i thought i thought his uh what's the name of his uh character again Eddie Brock? Yeah, Eddie Brock. I thought his Eddie Brock was kind of funny.

It felt like a mentally handicapped person. I wasn't really sure what he was going for there. It was really strange. Kind of seemed like Charlie Day from It's Always Sunny. Yeah, I wasn't really sure what to think of him. It was kind of funny. It was entertaining, that's for sure. I didn't feel bored in Venom.

Right, exactly. I did. I did. I thought it was fucking boring. Yeah. Really? the whole thing pretty much

the moment I laughed the most was when that abysmal Eminem song started playing at the end Yeah that was good

I like that's so glad it was in the credits yeah so happy right at the end of the movie too and then the Venom title comes up

doesn't it or does it just go straight to directed by whoever the hell directed I can't remember mate you can have to remind

it was the yeah it was pretty much like the M&M song and then after the M&M song we got the post credit scene which I want to talk about but we'll do that after a spoiler warning I guess later because the post credit scene is really predictable thing of all the time yeah it was too good there's a lot of funny stuff in this movie

I think some of it was intentional though to give it some credit I think some of it was intentional like I think that the you know him eating a fish and all that was supposed to be like somewhat comical I guess but still it was I mean most of the movie was just like really awkward and and didn't make all that much sense like I don't know why why does why does this symbiote apparently have some sort of like social

structure on on their planet where they understand concepts like being a pussy or like being a loser yeah like you know like what are they did you not like Venom's backstory where he's like a loser on his home planet too.

I'm a loser. Until they team up to fight crime. That was fucking hilarious. Come on. I nearly walked out at that point. It's like, okay, you get to that point and the film is basically just putting up middle fingers towards the screen. Just like, look, we don't get fuck. You're the one sat there.

It was so stupid that I loved it. I find it cynical, though. I find it fucking annoying because it's just so many's bullshit. They're at it again. That's why I have, like, I see no difference between this and The Amazing Spider-Man, too. they're just complete cash grabs just to try and like ride off the superhero trend nothing else nothing else at all I totally agree with you

but that's what all these movies are so even the good ones it's just a studio just wants to make money off these superhero properties and like God bless they get talented people to do it and then you get Sony who's a bunch of fucking idiots and like I'm saying Amazing Spider-Man took itself

so seriously and it was so boring and I was expecting that again and this movie was just so dumb and I didn't care about taking itself seriously at all that it was entertaining. I enjoyed myself while I was there, even though it was forced to be there. I feel like they started with a terrible script, though. Like if you're going to invest money into something, like this is the script that you chose. This is where you're going to invest all of your millions of dollars.

That's what they always do. It was just so... Because the script is irrelevant. They just went through their top trumps of... Okay, what IPs do we own? Well, we have Venom. He's marketable. Kind of looks like Spider-Man.

He's edgy. Make a bunch of Spider-Man movies. There you go. Movies written. Don't even need to... Probably didn't even pay anyone to write it. They probably just Googled like Venom funny and then just copied and based on the first result. They had a script in a drawer and they're just...

I'll put venom in it. That's what they do. They're a bunch of fucking hacks. But I'm saying, like, this one didn't come out that bad. At least I enjoyed myself. I've seen hell. I've seen hell. Suicide Squad is fucking awful.

This is not that. Of course Suicide Squad is worse. That's for sure. It's more boring. But I mean, this was just kind of like a deceptive slap in the face where they didn't even try. Like their entire, the tagline for the film is the world has enough superheroes. But then they just made Venom a superhero. Yeah.

You know? Like, it's on the poster and in the trailer. It's like, why are you doing this? I thought the world had enough superheroes, Sony. Like, you're just lying to people. Venom's supposed to be a bad guy. This was supposed to be a villain movie. That's what I wanted.

If I was going to take this seriously at all, I would love to see a cool villain movie with Venom. But of course they're not going to do that. And of course, everybody should have guessed that as soon as the news came out that it was PG-13. There's not going to be actual weight or consequence to anything. You know? No.

Venom wasn't like evil. He just needed to eat people. But he only did it off screen. And so he's like, I guess I'll eat bad people because then I could get away with it. We're not sure if he actually ate anyone because it was all off screen. They could have just ran away and he made a noise or something. It was all PG-13. And he's like eating like that guy at the end of the movie.

That scene was so bad, first of all. But it's like you're going to eat a guy who's what, mugging? Like a woman? You should be eating serious criminals, not this random street thug. Well, that's the only crime that exists in superhero universes For like Spider-Man He's, you know, like even in the game It's like, oh, he's just gonna stick around downtown New York, you know

Mm-hmm Like, this is the crime that matters here You should go to Wall Street, eat some heads there But no Should go to the White House, am I right? Yeah! Funny, nice one, lads Thanks

They don't even play off why what makes Venom even remotely interesting to begin with, like in the Spider-Man universe, him being like the evil inverse of Spider-Man and all of his motivations being about hating Spider-Man really much? Like the character just, on his own, what does he represent in this movie? They kind of reference that, I guess, that Spider-Man is a thing.

Well, they reference that, like, the daily... Is it Bugle or Planet? I can't remember. Bulge. Yeah, the Daily Bulge is in this universe. But like, I don't really know that much about Venom. So before the film came out, I went and read a lot about the character and everything that he's done and represents. And every single storyline is directly involved with Spider-Man.

The character has nothing going on aside from his feelings towards Spider-Man and how literally every single motivation he has is based around his hatred for Spider-Man. So you take that out and then it's just like this empty, pointless film. about nothing. He's just, he's an incompetent idiot as well. Like the first 30 minutes of the film, he's like,

I'm trying to even remember. He gets, like, in trouble. He just, that's it. He, like, betrays his, girlfriend. Well, he was reporting on this, on Elon Musk, basically. She,

she willingly entered this relationship with this man who she already knew was doing, like, controversial things and reporting on high-profile stories. it's like, oh no, somebody retaliated and she blames him for it? What the fuck?

That was like poorly established. She blamed him for hacking into the computer. Like it was an invasion of the privacy. What? Because, yeah, remember he went into her computer. He was very sly what he did. Oh, okay. I guess I got confused. Yeah, he hacked into her computer

and she was mad and she broke up with him. I thought I had to do it, I thought I would have to do with like the same thing with him getting fired. Oh, no. As in, what's his face? The Riz Ahmed's character? Oh, yeah. Well, it was involved.

Did Michelle Williams work for Riz Ahmed or something? No. Because she had some file that made Tom Hardy go, okay, I need to investigate him, which is what got him fired. Was she not like a lawyer or something? Yeah, she was like a lawyer for Riz Ahmed or something. I thought that, like, she randomly got fired

because of some fallout from what he did. And then she was mad at him for, like, investigating in the first place. Yeah. Who cares, honestly. It wasn't, like, I don't know. Maybe if I watched it a second time, I watched it on release day.

So that was like over a week day. So, yeah, it's been a while for all of us. Either way, I don't think their relationship was very well developed at all, honestly. Like, I didn't feel anything when they broke up. It was like, oh, what? Why do I care? You know?

And then the last scene with them was really bad, too. Yeah. Oh, we could, we can still get her, she doesn't know. What the fuck is this? It ended like a sitcom, like a buddy cop movie from the 80s too. I guess there's spoiler warnings on.

We're like, oh yeah. Who cares really for this? Some people care. It doesn't take that much effort to say spoiler warning. I guess. Spoiler warning. But like it ends with just Venom and him walking down the street and they're playing like that silly venom music

and they're like cracking jokes. It's like, what the fuck? This is how blind spotting ended, but they were doing it ironically, and they're doing it for real. It was very bizarre and unsatisfying. I was not very satisfied with the plot of this film. It felt really just thrown together.

It felt like it just came from a fart of Sony, you know? Yeah. There's no effort put into this story. It's not as bad. as it could have been and it wasn't torture. It wasn't silent but deadly, you mean? Yeah. You just have to wave your arm in front of your face a little bit.

I just gave it a half star out of five. Wow, really? Yep. Like, I don't think it's that bad. It's worthless. It's like not one thing I can point at is of quality. Writing's bad. All the acting's bad.

The action is bad. Everything about it sucks. No, but I think certain department. were okay or competent. Like what? Like the acting for one thing from Tom Hardy, I liked him.

I thought some of the VFX were pretty cool. Okay, some of the VFX were pretty good. The movie looked okay. The sound design in terms of like the symbiote and the sounds it would make

like the, I'm trying to find the... Flashing? Like the sloshing? Yeah, that all sounded cool. Like there were elements of it that were really well done. overall I thought it was not boring

like I watched the whole thing and I was like okay with it I wasn't offended or I didn't think it was offensively like bad I just thought it was stupid and entertaining yeah I guess I'm just jaded to the point where I'm just sick of these movies I'm sick of them too that's why I thought this is a breath of fresh air everything you just described everything you just said as positive for this movie aside from it not being boring applied to like the Amazing Spider-Man 2

like the film No the Amazing Spider-Man 2 is boring and awful and it thinks it's like this important It's just said though You just said like The Vedom looks okay or whatever You know like it's in focus The bare essentials to be a movie

And the same can be applied To the Amazing Spider-Man 2 Like there are a couple of things you can point out And be like well the Spider-Man's suit looks okay There's some okay action bits The action is probably better in the action is probably better in the Amazing Spider-Man 2, then isn't Venom. I don't think so.

I don't think so. That last sequence of the end of Venom is mind-bogglingly bad. That one, yeah. That one's really bad. But I mean, the scene where the guys break into his apartment and the Venom symbiote, whatever, is, like, killing the guys against Tom Hardy's will. I thought that scene was cool. I thought the car chase was okay.

Nothing special. The car chase was dreadful. The drones chasing him and suicide bombing into him. Yeah, they released the drone. And then they exploded, even though they were made. It just made sense. It just made sense. It was just a dumb, man.

Honestly, like that apartment scene was better done in the movie Upgrade, and that movie was super fucking cheap, you know? That was a low-budget movie. Have you guys seen Upgrade? I haven't, so. I haven't, yeah. Well, you should watch Upgrade, because if you were impressed by that scene in Venom, there's a better scene in Upgrade.

That's essentially the same thing, and they did it first, and better for less money, so. Okay. I wasn't saying I was impressed by it. I was saying it was okay. and it was well done compared to like the suicide squad action which is like

you can't fucking see it and it's all green and it's at night if you're comparing it to suicide squad it's gonna seem great okay we should leave suicide squad out of the equation this movie is on like the list

of like it's up there with suicide squad and Justice League and I don't think it's as bad as those oh I don't think it's as bad as suicide squad for sure and I haven't seen justice that's all I'm saying

I'm not saying it's a good movie is similar to maybe it's not quite as bad as Justice League but that has a story behind it there's no excuse for this movie it's just a $100 million garbage manipulative worthless film where not one aspect of it is of quality also I feel like Suicide Squad as a concept

is kind of like destined to fail from the get-go it's like oh we're just gonna have like this ensemble of bad guys in the movie and that's literally the only purpose to it is just so you can see your favorite character but Venom You could make

And they did it well I think Venom is fucked From the beginning Because you're making a Venom movie That's PG-13 with like Well PG-R-Bes I mean that's not fucked from the beginning I'm saying You could make a decent solo Venom movie is what I'm saying

Yeah You could make something that wasn't shit And I feel like this was just a wasted opportunity Honestly Like I don't even read the comics Like you could have whatever creative liberties you want with the source material, but the concept of this creature

and the character design and the universe, you know, like you could add some real stakes to it. If it was rated R and it wasn't Sony, then it might have been pretty good. I don't know.

It could have been entertaining. It could have... I just wanted to see some, like, consequence. I wanted to see some, like, perhaps maybe experience and emotion, like fear or suspense at any point. You know, that's what I would want

out of a Venom movie. And, you know, I got some laughs out of it. it. That was fun, and I'm glad you enjoyed it for that. But I still it still kind of leaves a sour taste in my mouth, you know? I can point and laugh, but it's not something that I think is

good because of that. But I'm saying, like, all of these movies have that cynical business end of it, whether it's a good movie or not. So I'm like, at this point, I'm like, I don't really want to judge this movie

with that, you know, on top of it. Like, I just the context does make a difference. Like, the novel movies, they put in the work and effort, where this is just riding off the work and effort they've put into it. Yeah, I totally agree with that. But in terms of the guys who are actually making the decisions in these studios, they're just like, I fucking, whatever, make a movie about whatever, I don't care.

What comic book character do we have that's like Deadpool? Because Deadpool did well, Phantom, fuck it, make it. And sad, it's like, all right, at least. Some people cared about making the movie. The only Marvel IP that Sony has at this point is Spider-Man, right? So they're just going to keep doing things from his universe. They got Enter the Spider-Verse coming out soon. Like, they're going to be milk in Spider-Man for a while.

It looks decent. I like the choices for animation style, but I'm not... I wouldn't say it looks great. Maybe I'll be surprised. I don't know. The Lego movie looked like shit in the trailer, and I love that, so... Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're marking it for kids too.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, I don't know. I don't really want to see a kids movie Spider-Man, but I'll give it a chance, I guess. It's something different. I appreciate that. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't think it'll be as good as, like, cloudy with a chance of meatballs even, honestly. Oh. Well, that's a... We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. It's a great movie, though. Yeah.

That was also Sony, I believe. Do you really think Venom would be improved by being rated or an 18? for us need that? Yes. Yes, I do. I don't think so. You think so?

If I saw somebody get eaten in the movie, I would be a little bit happier. You know, don't show that shit off screen. If you're going to make that a part of your plot where it's like, oh, no, this thing's controlling me and eating people. Like, I don't, how are you supposed to feel anything if it just all happens off screen? You know, like, how are we supposed to feel any of the shit that they're implying is happening in the movie? It's all just bullshit.

Mm-hmm. There's no blood even. That ends seen. After he eats that guy's head, there's no blood anywhere. It's like, did you really eat his head? What's going on? It was so stupid. Yes, I do think it would be better if it was rated R. Even just by a tiny bit. You could change, like, nothing else in the movie, and it would still be slightly better.

Maybe mildly better. Maybe out of something memorable that happens, as opposed to. We're all struggling to even remember anything about it. Well, yeah, I mean. Like the female venom. Remember in the head kiss? That was weird. That was just a weird scene

To me, yeah I don't know Pandering to what People with weird fetishes Yeah to like deviant art people That's the kind of thing Like what was everyone talking about When the film first came out

Was that weird scene Everyone was like sharing pictures of it And it was spreading around Twitter Yeah I guess so I wouldn't be surprised if they just had some Some execs be like Let's just put some weird shit in there man Yeah and honestly like

The way the movie ends You have to imagine they're having some weird Kinky Venom sex after that right yeah well do you find it weird that Tom Hardy basically makes out with Venom yeah that's actually true

now that I think about it yeah it's the first gay kiss in a superhero it's beautiful that's true see Venom's a very progressive movie although does Venom have a gender

it's a good movie does Venom have a gender is the question that's true maybe on the handbook symbiotes have genders because apparently they have social structures and one of them can be such a fun

dweeb that they'd betray their species. I fucking hate it. You know what? It's really peaceful up here on top of this building. Like, I understand that concept of peacefulness. What were you doing? You were just on an asteroid? Like, what are...

What is your planet like? What are these social structures? Are you just blobs of goop? Well, he also, like, hacked into Tom Hardy's mind, right? When he became part of him. So maybe he learned that vocabulary from Tom Hardy. I'm not sure how that works because he didn't know who his girlfriend was. He had to explain that to him.

Yeah, that's true. I remember that was weird. I don't understand the rules that are at play here. It didn't establish any. It can just do anything. Yeah, whatever is convenient at the moment. Yeah. But what we say is irrelevant because it made a ton of money.

and we're going to get 58 Venom sequels, so strap in, folks. Mm-hmm. It's going to be great. Audiences are loving it, man. It's currently sat up as 7.1 on IMDV from like nearly 100,000 votes, so that's very high. Oh, so there's plenty of people on my side. Yeah, man. Well, I'm just trying to, like, vouch for them, like, what do they see in this?

And I do think, like, compared to these other really bad ones. it's not that bad and it's somewhat entertaining. I mean, yeah, it's not as boring as Suicide Squad. I don't think that there's that many movies that are. Well, even just Batman versus Superman, too, or even Ant Man this year. Ant Man was fucking awful this year. I would see this two times over Ant Man.

I don't know. You're naming a bunch of movies that I didn't even bother to watch, I guess. Batman v. Superman attempts more than this film. Yeah, it's a little more ambitious. He's got like a, yeah, Zach Snyder, he's, he's all over the place, but, you know, at least it was his vision, you know? Mm-hmm. And it's got a couple of decent scenes in it. Yeah.

Yeah. The actual fight is decent. As a piece, it's way more jumble than boring than Vendom. It's more boring. I won't give it much more than that. The plot makes about as much sense, too, when you think about it. I mean, at this movie at least didn't have, like, 20 scenes with Lewis Lane trying to figure something out. doing some journalism.

Like, oh my God, why the fuck are we focusing on her again? What is she going to do against Lex Luthor? Nothing. She gets thrown off the building, and that's it. At least this movie didn't have anything like that. We're comparing a puddle of piss with a pile of dog shit, so... Yeah.

I love how there were no security cameras in his bio facility. I also love how there was no sort of quarantine door. Like, he breaks the glass, and it's like, contaminant blah blah blah over the intercom but he just like runs out the door you'd think you'd have like a locking door mechanism

literally just runs away they have enough money to hire all these goons to chase him on ATVs nonetheless as he's running around outside and climbs up a tree like you have so much money none for cameras none for a locking security quarantine door what

what kind of facility is this what doesn't make any sense the whole reason Eddie Brock even winds up at that facility. So, so stupid and makes no sense. I'm trying to remember. I don't want to say, because I guess... We already did spoiler warning.

How did we? Well, you know, what's that comedic actress's name who's in this movie for some reason? Oh, yeah. Jenny Slate? Yeah, she's like the goody one. And for some reason, she calls up Eddie Brock and is like, you need to come and report on this.

They're doing tests on homeless people. She used her phone, which probably has camera capabilities, to call up Eddie Brock so he can come. It just makes no sense to me. Yeah, that's true. And if there's no cameras in the building, then she wouldn't get caught recording it, I guess. Yeah.

There's no reason why Eddie Brock has to be there to leak the story. She could just give the evidence to him. Really? Yeah. He could write the story without even being there. But he had to be there so that he could break the glass and get the venom suit. That's what I'm.

mean. Like, none of it. It's all just in service to like, right, we've got to get to this point here. Let's just, fuck it, just do whatever. Doesn't matter. Doesn't need to be grounded in anything other than get to Venom. Venom funny. The end. Fight.

But you don't understand. You're not allowed to talk about plot holes, because without plot holes, we wouldn't have movie stories. All movies are equally as effortful, if that's a word in their script writing process. What about the characters?

What character learns anything? What arcs are there in this film? The homeless lady learns something. She learned a real hard lesson. Venom's the only character that changes. Yeah, well, Venom's the main character, dude. Venom's the only one, and his change is caused by nothing. Oh, I love that line, too.

I changed my mind about your problem. planet. What made you do that? You did, Eddie. Like, what? You barely know me. What did I do? Like, I'm such a... If you possess someone that wasn't a total fucking loser, then the planet would be dead, but since I'm such an idiot, it's like, nobody likes you. So, you know what? I changed my mind. I'm not going to destroy your planet because now I can be your best friend. I just wanted a friend the whole time. Also, apparently I don't need to eat your organs anymore. I just need to eat other people. Like, I thought that was the whole point of a symbiote.

Explain that one, no, Adam. They did? If you remember. Yeah, they said, uh, they need to find the perfect host. Um, and if they have got like a perfect match, then they don't, they've got like the perfect chemistry and they don't, you know, they co-exist. I guess maybe I'm going off of like what I, remember they, like, bringing like homeless people in and then none of them emerging properly.

I thought it was like a core concept to what Venom was in like the Spider-Man universe. Like, I thought that. part of Eddie Brock's character was that he was slowly getting eaten alive. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think so. I think it just makes him want to eat meat all the time, you know, be a cannibal in one of the runs or something. Yeah.

I love the, uh, I love the rocket launch, how it's like, ready to go. He's like, five minutes. Launch this rocket. It's like, we're going, he's like, we're going to space. I'm going to, I'm going to go in this, this rocket into space. in general. Like, where are you going? Do you have coordinates

for where the alien planet is? Didn't they show up on, like, a meteor or something? Were they, like, on an asteroid, I mean? Did the symbiote start to separate from, like, the hosts when the rocket ship launched? Because, like, rocket launches are pretty loud, right? Yeah, you'd think that if a 747 flying above.

They did? Okay. Yeah, I was trying to remember if that did happen. No, I thought that was from his girlfriend showing up. No, it was a... Remember Tom Hardy's girlfriend showed up? And then she played the thing over the speakers? I thought that's what did it.

Not the rocket launch. Right? Maybe you're right. Because she showed. The thing over the speakers is louder than a rocket launch? I don't even remember that. She showed up and she turned a fucking knob. That was how she did it.

She showed up and she was like, I've got this. And then turned, like, I guess just brought some sort of sound device and then did it on the, like, I don't know how she even got. there and figured it out. But yeah, that's my understanding of it, is that it had nothing to do with the rocket launching. And she should just showed up and did the speakers. Because then she stops for some reason, and then remember he gets stabbed after?

Mm-hmm. I guess the rocket, I guess that was after the rocket blew up? Or was it before? That whole ending is just like a mesh of shit in my brain. I don't know. We're going to have to see this movie again. Riz Ahmed and, And what's the symbiote name?

Riot? Riot. Riot and Riz Ahmed have this plan to go up into space in general so that he can tell his symbiote buddies that are somewhere in space that I guess maybe he has the coordinates for, and it's really convenient that he's able to get there in this five-minute window when the Earth is at this exact rotation that he just decided on a whim he's going to go up into space.

And it's just really convenient for him that he's going to that exact place. They decide to do this. And for some reason, instead of just going in the rocket, like, you'd think that if the rocket's launching in five minutes, you'd want to be getting a space suit on or, like, near the rocket, you know, like getting inside. But you're in the control room.

The rocket has the five-minute timer, and he kills everybody in the control room for no reason. You could have just not let them know that you're a symbiote. Are you prepared for space travel? Do you have food? Do you have, like, anything that, like, what are you going to do up there? He's going to run. He's upset.

But, I mean, like, riot's just going to have to eat his organs or something. How long of a trip is this? He's not going to show up there in five minutes. Maybe they bring some people along with them. He didn't. He climbed in the side of the... Like, I don't know why he didn't just enter the spaceship from the normal door

and not be a symbiote as he did it. Why did he have to climb up the side? Because he had to fight right. There's like an automatic door on the side of the rocket. What the fuck was that? What? We needed an action scene. That is a little bit.

really it. It needs to be a cool fight on the side of a rocket. But the thing is, all the things you're saying, guys, would, like, adding character development and fleshing these things out would make the movie even longer than it is. And it's already two hours of 20 minutes.

Wait, what, is it? It's not two hours. It was less than two hours. It's one hour fifty two. I looked up Venom runtime and it says two hours and 20 minutes. Well, you've got the wrong information. It totally didn't feel like two hours of 20 minutes.

Look it up again. I have it up right now. Google's wrong. I've looked it up many times. It didn't feel like two hours of 20 minutes, I was about to say. Maybe that's why you like it so much. You're like, wow, that was two and a half hours.

Now you can bring your school down. But it was nice and short. Like, at least I was there and I wasn't bored out of my mind for two and a half hours like most of these. It was short and sweet. Yeah, I mean, I was never bored. I got to say that.

I was never impressed, though. Neither was I. I mean, like, I love how when anyone praises this movie, It's like, well, it's not as bad as this or there are worse things. It's not. You're forced to see it on its own merit. Yeah. No, no, no.

It wasn't as bad as it was going to be. Sony's new strategy is just getting everyone to expect the biggest pile of shit. And then when it isn't as big of a pile of shit as suicide. To me, it's not acceptable. Yeah, you know, it wasn't bad. They're going to remake Ghostbusters again soon, except it'll be slightly better than the last one. And everyone will love it. Watch.

Mm. Is it going to be a cast of all gays? There'll be Venom. There will be symbiotes this time. Oh, an all symbiote Ghostbusters movie. Yeah. That fan of probably already exists. We finally did it.

Oh, people would totally see that. They should do it. We should be working at Sony. Yeah, man. It would be fucking easy. Oh, yeah. Holy fuck. To get paid for these scripts.

Oh, my God. But I don't know how I could live with myself. Really. You'll find a way. Like, can you imagine writing something like this and get paid a fuck ton of money? These writers get paid a lot. Oh, yeah. To write this shit.

Of course. This total shit. It probably took them ten minutes to write the whole fucking paper. There's like 20 of them doing it anyway, or that was the case for Amazing Spider-Man, too. Yeah, there's, oh, I got to look up how many writers there are. I don't know. Yeah? No, five writers.

No, sorry. Five writers. No, because they're screenplay and story. Both have. Oh, okay. It's three people. Stanley. Mm-hmm.

three screenwriters for this. Yeah, so they wrote like 30 pages each, and that was it. They hinted it in, first draft. Here's your better movie. They took their check and they ran away. Why not? You know?

I just, uh, it just felt like a waste. As far as a business decision. Yeah, fine, it's good. I guess. Like, I, what upsets me a bit is that, like, it is a bad movie I don't know most people even if they like it

they're just like okay with it but we're kind of voting with our wallets and saying yes please don't put it any effort into your movies Sony like this is what you should be doing forever that's true and I guess like we all paid for it I'm kind of surprised that it's like doing

so well you know no I don't as soon as I saw how well that first trailer did on YouTube I just thought it's going to be huge. It's going to be massive. They eat it up. They love it. They eat it up off screen. And they see that marble logo at the beginning.

I think people think this is part of the MCU. Yeah. I think general audiences think that. Yeah. That's the only thing about it that I think is scummy, is that they're tricking people into thinking that this is part of it when it is. And the fact they put no work into it whatsoever. I just, I just feel sorry for all these poor.

Some people put no work into it whatsoever. I think some people did. These poor animators in these, these really talented CG artists, they're put on this crap, and that's what they have to do. So sad. But they did their job, and they succeeded at least 50% of the time. They did their job for not very much pain, city conditions, and no commission based on how successful the film is. What was that documentary about the life of pie?

It's called Life After Pie. It's very depressing. Yeah, that's a great movie. It's on YouTube, yeah. You guys should all watch that because it just shows how bad these CG guys get fucked over by the studios. Yep. It's sad. But, I mean... Sorry.

Like, they're forced to make this... They probably do a lot of work on this and get paid, like, jack shit. Because most of this movie's CGI, whether it's the venom creature or just some backgrounds or even Tom Hardy's face and Michelle Williams' face, they do like all these things to be actors' faces now to, like, smooth out their skin. So weird. Pimples. It's a common thing. It happens in all of them now. And, like, I just feel bad for them.

Get rid of mustaches. Yeah, get rid of mustachees. Oh, God, that one. That one didn't work out. Some of them were more noticeable than others. Yeah, I, I, uh, I, uh, just, it just felt like a wasted opportunity. I don't, I'm not happy with it. I, uh, I don't know if this is worse or better than I expected.

I don't know if it's about What I expected Really? I was expecting like I walked in like it was a fucking funeral I was so miserable And like I was actually That's why I'm saying I was okay

All the time Well maybe you should just keep your expectations Ridiculously low For every movie you see And you'll just love it That's what I'm saying Yeah That's my rating

If you're forced to see it you'll be okay We got to talk about the end credits. Hell yeah. Yes. Woody Harrelson as Carnage. As soon as I saw that that wide shot of the

or the establishing shot of the prison, I was like, really, guys? The only other thing general audiences might know about Venom is that there's a red one called Carnage.

There you go. He says, and he has to say, he has to scream the word carnage. It was such a good question. Because I didn't know what was happening at first, honestly.

Like, is that carrot top? And then I realized it was Woody Harrelson. Like, I don't know anything about the Spider-Man comics, really. But I know Carnage, because I watched, like, the 90s show or whatever, whenever that was. What's his character? Does he, is he just, like, the Red Venom? He's a psychopath. He gets the senior.

Oh, cool. So he's like a super killer. He's less easy to reason with than Venom is that's his character. Would you guys want to see this version of Venom again, either in a sequel or with Tom Holland? No. This version, no. Yeah, no way.

I don't think this would even belong. Really? There's no way you could throw Tom Holland in this shit. But Homecoming's one of the most beloved Marvel movies at this point. Like, to shove this venom in, it would be comfortable. They'd ruin everything they'd set up. I don't know. I just think it'd be funny.

I don't think Marvel would let Sony do that. No. I don't think they'd be allowed. We'll see. Absolutely no way. Yeah. I don't know what kind of restrictions they have. Because Sony owns Spider-Man,

but they kind of did like a collaborative thing with Marvel where it's like, okay, well, maybe you can use this character, but Marvel does all the writing, I guess. Like, there's no way Sony had a big part in that. They're just earning some money, just so they could be a part of the same universe. Maybe the deal was we'll give you a Spider-Man, but you have to take our characters

from our Sony Venom movie and use them in your Marvel Cinem. No way. There's no way. Maybe. They wouldn't do that. Dude, to get Spider-Man. They're not that stupid.

If that was true, Tom Holland would have been in this film. Yeah. Maybe. They would have had Tom Holland in this film, you're right. They're hedging their bets. They're like, let's try out this venom with Tom Hardy. And if it's good, we'll throw them in with Spider-Man in the next movie. Maybe that's what they think.

Honestly, it would make no sense. It would make no sense. I'm willing to bet money that that's not going to happen. Yeah, I would as well. Let's bet right now. Five bucks, Ralph? Uh, USD or, Canadian.

That's a good question. Thank you for clarifying. USD. Okay. Five bucks. But how much after how long? I bet a hundred. A hundred.

This one will never be in the MCU. 100. All right. Let's do 50. Let's do 50. Let's meet in the middle. Okay, 50. By what date?

There has to be an end point because in 50 years I can't be fucked over here. Okay. Let's say by 2020. There has to be a venom. It has to at least be announced. 2022. Like, four years from now. Really?

That's a while. Four years for it to be announced? Okay. Mark your calendar's people. I'm going to get 50 bucks. By this date, so October 16th, 2022. Yeah. Okay.

Someone's got to keep track of this. We'll have a subreddit post in four years and go, Oh, yeah. Like the podcast isn't even going. anymore. It's like, yeah. I'll

read it and then one we're all doing other things. The value of money is inflated so much that $50 is like

nothing. I'll just, I'll let you guys participate in your bet. I think, you know what? Yeah, I'll stay with my $5

if you're comfortable losing. You'll be losing $55. You'll be losing $55 for four years. What do you mean? Well, I don't know. It's just,

it's the point of me betting with a friend is to, we rank in a lot of YouTube money. is to be confident about my opinions. It's not about money. I don't really care about whether I win money or not. But if you're so confident in your opinion,

you should put $50 on. But I don't want to take, the higher the money is, then it's like, oh, I'm taking that from a friend, you know? I don't want to. I like to play with small. It's funny.

It's funny to prove people wrong. It is. You can take my money. Yeah. But I can prove you wrong just as easily with $5 as $50. That's true. All right.

okay okay Canadian logic see this is why Americans want to need lots of money capital I guess so amen you've also got more poor people but

can we move on to a good movie I guess so what would you so what would you give it out of ten Ralph what did you say or out of five four out of ten four yeah Okay, not four out of five.

Not four, like, yeah, two out of five, if it was out of five. So even though you're, like, arguing with us that it's like, not bad, it's, I mean, like, that's below average still. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. I'm saying it's not the worst superhero movie I've ever seen. It's better than the worst ones, but it's not as good as the good ones. Yeah. So, that's right.

I'd probably give it a two. I mean, I enjoyed it more than most movies. I would give it to, I guess, but it's, it just felt like a slap in the face, you know? Yeah, it's a good way to describe it. It was just, I've said this about a billion times, just a wasted opportunity, and that's how I feel about it, I guess. I love how the car chase scene, those same SUVs,

just kept catching back up to him, even though he was on a motorbike, and he clearly got away from them, like 50 times. How did that happen? Anyway, yeah, I guess we're left that stop talking about. Venom. Venom! Venom! Denham! Get him!

Gonna go get him! Venom! M.M. sucks. I used to love him. I still love his old material. Yeah, he used to be good. Yeah. It's funny how he just keeps trying to, like, reclaim those glory days. And now all of his albums are...

I don't think so. I mean... Yeah, his albums are about how nobody likes his albums now. That's what he writes about. He's, like, mad that critics don't like his previous album. That's what his new album is. Really? Well, then you should stop fucking doing the soundtrack to Venom. What do you want me to tell you to Eminem?

Who's going to take you seriously when you're in a movie going, Venom, Venom, Venom. Yeah. It's the kind of shit that old Eminem would make fun of. Right. You know? Yeah. All right. Who wants to, you want to introduce your movie, Alex?

Yes. So last episode, I suggested we watch Pink Floyd. The Wall. I hope we've all caught up on that one. Pink Floyd, The Wall, is directed by Alan Parker, written by Roger Waters. It's kind of an accompanying piece based off the rock opera released by Pink Floyd a few years beforehand. And it's kind of a experimental, crazy animation slash live action look into this troubled rock star character. who's gradually descending into madness.

What do you guys think of this film? Spoiler warning, by the way. Everybody, if you want to watch the movie, we're going to spoil the shit out of it. I thought it was great. I really liked it. It's something that I wish I could have watched a second time before recording this, but I was very busy.

Oh, really? But it is something that, like, I can already tell it's one of those things that you would definitely get a benefit out of it because like even near the end of it, it's, you know, starting to piece together the, like, symbolic purposes of, of... Yeah, I got way more out of it this time watching it from when I've seen it before. Was this only your second time watching it? It was only my second. The last time I saw it was a long time ago, and I've watched a lot of my favorite songs and sort of set pieces from the movie a lot of times just on YouTube, detached from the film itself.

So it was nice revisiting it as a whole. Yeah, it's like a really long music video. basically yeah yeah I think that's a fair assessment because before I don't know how how familiar you guys are with the album the wall if you've listened to it before or that familiar but I'd listen to it quite a few times but it never quite twigged what it was exactly about but now I fully understand fully fully get it and this film really does help contextualize where Roger Waters was when when he came up with this album and what he was trying to achieve with it

it definitely it's a worthy extension to the album it adds a lot to it and makes it much better yeah it's not just a music video because a lot of it is rejigged re-recorded there are songs that aren't on the finished album

so there was a conscious effort to kind of mould it more into a cinematic format I really appreciate that about it When I listen to Pink Floyd, like, throughout my life and being a teenager, smoking weed, listening to it. It was like, like, I was always thinking, like, why doesn't someone just make a movie just with this album? You know, like, I was thinking about a dark side of the moon or something.

So this was like a dream come true to see this. And, like, it was so well done. And I obviously have to see it again to get more out of it, although I do think I got the gist of it. Yeah. It was so well made on a tactical level. The animation is fucking incredible. It looks great. The lighting is great.

Like the amount of time they put into getting all these extras and sets, it's really commendable. It's really impressive. The amount of effort they put in. Yeah. Well, I've done a bunch of research on this movie. And it has one of the most fascinating kind of backstories to it for me. Because nearly everyone who is involved with this, all the major players, hate this film.

They hate everything represents. Yeah. Roger Waters himself says, it's too depressing, doesn't like it. The art director, what's his name? Gerald Scarf. He doesn't like it either. The director especially hates it.

He had a horrible time making it because famously Roger Waters around this time had a bit of an ego about him, so he kept clashing on choices with the director. So there's this really like damaged production that just happened to, and the only people that really like it are the fans. I was reading on.

about it. That's kind of funny. That's hilarious. Yeah. It's genuinely fascinating. That's bizarre. I wonder if that's what made it work. It's that you have all these like, you had these really creative, aggressive people all budding heads and you got this masterpiece out of it. Yeah. I wonder if that's why. Roger Waters wrote the movie with the idea of him being the main character, played by Bob Geldof in the end. But I'm the director and all the screen test with him. We're like, no, we can't use you. So then that led to that decision. And yeah, all these creative things that come from all these clashes kind of wound up being the best result for the movie in the end. Yeah. Were there any members of Pink Floyd like in the

movie? I'm trying to remember. Not to my knowledge. Yeah. I love that about it too. It wasn't like this ego trip. Well, that's the thing. You said Adam. It was like this long music video. Like I love it is a long music video. I love that about it. I wasn't trying to discredit it by saying. Oh, no, no, I totally understand what you're saying. But like, it wasn't this ego trip. It was like, we're just going to take this amazing music and tell a

story with it. And we'll just get an actor to play pink. Like, you know, I love that about it. Yeah. I really love the animation style. That's just something that I would like to see more of. I love traditional. I love traditional

animation. I love kind of like psychedelic kind of animation. I almost wish that more of the movie was animated, but I can understand. It's only got about 15 minutes of animation in it, yeah. Yeah, I wish that I saw more animation in it, honestly, because those were probably my favorite sequences were all the animated bits. Oh, easily, yeah. And they were broken up really well, too.

Like, right when it started to get old, it would go back to live action, and right when that got old, it would go to something else, back to the animation. I don't know what your experience was discovering this movie, Alex, or discovering Pink Floyd or like what came first. How did you find this movie? So I've been into Pink Floyd for a while now, mostly because of my parents. So I would have seen this movie when I was way younger because of them. They would have shown it to me or told me about it or something like that.

And my brother as well, he's also massively in Pink Floyd. and he three or four years ago got me into them, and he's always been talking to me about them and about the whole history. I've been meaning to revisit it for a while, so this was a great excuse for it, because, yeah, he's really into it and he had the DVD that I could borrow and stuff, so.

Yeah, I think I've listened to a decent amount of them just by proxy, just because my dad and my brother listened to a lot of classic rock at one point. I've never listened to, like, a full album, but I've obviously heard a lot of the tracks that are in this movie. I think the one track is literally just called

the wall, right? Like, we don't need no education. Is that one just called the wall? I don't know. It's not called the wall. It's called another brick in the wall, I think. Okay, yeah. That one probably had the,

like, by the time that happened in the film, I felt like I had already pretty much got every symbolic purpose from that second. just by listening to the track itself. Like that one was one of the more straightforward ones.

The film has basically no dialogue, does it? Basically, everything is delivered either through visuals and visual metaphor or paying attention to the lyrics in the songs themselves. I definitely watched the movie with subtitles just so I could have better understanding of the lyrics.

I don't know about you guys. I'm so familiar with the songs, I know all the lyrics. Yeah. Because I feel like that added a lot to the experience. Because when someone's singing, it's not always the easiest to tell exactly what's being said. Like some things are pretty clear, but definitely subtitles help the movie. So seeing as you guys weren't all that familiar with the songs already,

what did you think this film was about then? Because I know all the history and all of what it represents. So I want to know what you guys took away from that specifically. I guess the overarching kind of. of statement being made is, you know, like the, the idea of a wall that you build around yourself and the idea of what kind of people in your life help you build that, you know, and what kind of bubble you can put yourself into or, you know, things along those lines, I guess. And I guess there's some more direct imagery, like kids on the assembly line, you know?

Yeah. Like, that's pretty straightforward about, like, education system and, like, you know, his professor that, that refused to accept any creative part of his brain and wanted to mold him into this factory constructed idea of what society expects, you know? So it's all, it's all just kind of like a, like, internal kind of introspective, look at how you turn into the person that you are, I guess, throughout your life? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Is that kind of what you understand? Did you get the same rough? Yeah. Yeah, basically. I had more of a historical perspective with it, because I know, like, after World War II, Britain wasn't dutin too hot,

and there was a lot of, like, retaliation against the system, and this kid's father in the movie died in World War II, so I'm guessing he has some like harsh feelings about the war and his government and what his government thinks of him and I guess it's kind of about like

retaliation against that I don't know I only saw it once so God help me but that's what I got out of it anyway something like that what makes it really interesting is that it's not just focused on one thing in particular

like it is an internal film, but it's also very external. Like, it does make statements on politics, you know, like the British flag being turned into a bloody crucifix. I thought that imagery was, like, brilliant. I really loved that. And all the neo-Nazis and stuff towards the end.

Oh, yeah. Like, some of them are more straightforward than others. You know, some of them are more... Well, the hammers as well? Being like a parody of Nazism and... Yeah, and it works well with hammers, you know? because, you know, like, that they serve one purpose, you know, and everything else is a nail is to, you know, get things flattened and in line and anything's sticking out, you hit, right? And that's exactly what was happening in, you know, with the lyricism of him being like, ah, a Jew over there and a fag over here, get rid of him. And it's like, that's literally just, you know, hammers beating in the nails that are sticking out in a way. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. So Roger Waters came up with the idea originally. when he was touring before this album was obviously written

and he had a really bad experience and he felt this kind of divide growing between him and his creative vision and because he was selling out these stadiums after the success of albums like Dark Sout of the Moon and everything and he was feeling that people were just showing up to these huge arenas for nothing more than the beer and just to dance and go crazy so he felt that there was this literal wall being built between him and the way his audience was accepting his art

and like he felt like he wasn't being listened to in that respect so combining that with um elements of his life and a former band member called sid barrett who um had a really troubled kind of experience in the band who the character of pink is largely based on you know the scene where pink shaves himself completely that's based off something the the previous band member sid barrett who was their lead guitarist who named the band um did in real life there were at some kind of party and he just vanished and came back completely hell as if nothing was wrong. He was very mentally ill and he left the band and was replaced by the other, all the league guitarists have, I'm blanking on his name right now, but Angus Young.

No, not Angus Young. I know. Yeah, I think either Roger Waters or Sid Barrett's dad was killed as well in World War II, so that's where that comes from. and just the whole battle of building the wall around himself, I think was quite a literal feeling that Roger Waters felt as a direct response to fame and how kind of isolating it can be.

So he kind of wrote a story with all these different elements around that kind of idea. Oh, that's cool. There's a lot of different ways you can approach it and find some... Yeah, there's not one correct answer necessarily. That's just where the stem of the idea comes from.

I love how it manages to still be such a very clearly personal film despite how many voices were in the mix, despite how many people were involved in the production. You know, despite it not being just like one voice deciding what the film would be, like a lot of these projects are. It's not like a Hodorowski film. Like he has all the control there, you know? Yeah. So many different voices and yet it still manages to be.

a very personal product by the end of it very clearly. I think it's saved by the music without the music and how well structured it was from the beginning. Because all the songs were obviously written beforehand and existed before this movie was made. It's kind of the anchor that pulls all these other different creative elements together to make the cohesive whole. Which is very interesting. That the music was all made, well, most of it at least, right, was all made before. the film started production. Do you know if the album was written

with the intention of it being turned into a film at some point? As far as I'm aware, it wasn't. But it seems clear to me that when he was writing it, he had a very strong vision with what he was imagining with it. I could be wrong on that,

but from what I understand, that is where he came from. It was only like a few years beforehand, right? Yeah. Yeah. really take that long for it to get turned into a film and you have to assume the production on this would be a few years. Yeah, well, the album came out in 78, I think. Maybe 79 in the movie came out in 82, so. Yeah. I really enjoyed the music. I really enjoyed the lyrics. I felt like, you know, just, just those aspects alone and I can't even say alone. Like, you need the visuals too, but like it's something that I could watch again pretty soon, you know. I don't, I don't.

even really need to give this one that much time i could watch it again it's it's not even like all that long it's a fairly low commitment and it's just a really uh it's just a really interesting experience you know and it's very unique super unique yeah there's some parts that are kind of bizarre but they're still entertaining like the uh like the flower fucking scene is a little weird but yeah that's a great scene do you guys know if there's any other movies uh like this I was going to ask you guys Because this is such a unique Strangely structured

Like idea for a film Yeah The closest thing I could think to it is like The Beatles movies But those are totally different And those are way more Across the universe With Jim Sturgis

I haven't seen that one I was referring to the old ones Yeah like yellow submarine And what's the Across the universe isn't great Helter Skelter I don't think, yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen those old ones, but I'm aware of them at least.

I felt like there were some kind of like holy mountain-esque vibes to it in ways. You know, I really love visual metaphor. I love when, you know, a feeling or an idea can be described, not literally, but, you know, in a metaphorical way where I feel like I almost get more out of it in that sense. if you're trying to make like a statement, if it's done through like visual metaphor. Yeah. I feel like I get closer to the feelings of what someone's trying to communicate

and I feel like that's very important. And it's inherently less clumsy than just having characters be like, man, Nazis are bad. Yeah, yeah. Just explaining it, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Another way we talked about earlier.

Yeah, yeah. In a way, the film has more freedoms in that sense, narratively. Mm-hmm. It's ultimately an extremely simple story told in a very complex way. I was looking through a lot of, like, reviews from people and seeing the general vibe around what people think about this movie. And there are a lot of people who don't like it because of how kind of weird and out there

and how the narrative just, it doesn't really explain anything beyond you having to put pieces together. But all of the pieces are there. I found it really interesting the way Like I've heard the album so many times But watching this film really put a clear like oh that's what that song's about Oh that's what that meant at the beginning That's referring to that and it's like all these different threads that are given context

And it adds so much more meaning to it Yeah But like I listened to the to the album before And it's a great album But like to listen to a long album and consistently keep track of the themes and the meaning and not just, you know, give yourself in and enjoy the beat, which is what I usually do. It's hard. And having this visual companion piece to go with it makes it like what you said, Alex, it makes it so much easier to digest.

Yeah. I feel the same way about that Venom song from Eminem. I was able to get everything out of the song so much better seeing it in the end credits of Venom. Yeah, I really didn't understand Venom's motivation, but after that song, I did. Did you guys see the music video where he, like, possesses a dog? I'm sorry, well... No. Oh, my God, no.

No, I didn't. It's as good as the wall. We're not going back. We're not going back to Venom. It all ties back to Venom. It's all connected. It's like poetry. It rhymes.

Please, please. What did you guys think of the audio mixing in the film? I thought it was good. I didn't notice anything. particularly noteworthy, I don't know. Did you watch it on like a big surround sound or something? Yeah, it just

had a lot of quiet and a lot of loud. I felt like I was adjusting my volume fairly often. It might have just been in the copy I had. They mix it for a theater. When you mix for a theater, the dynamic range is really high.

And when you try to do it in a home theater, it's just not the same. A lot of these movies get fucked over when they release them on DVD. Now they fix it a little. They like compress the audio a bit to make it better because they understand lots of people

watch movies at home. home, but movies, like old movies, they don't do that shit. Yeah. It's irritating. It's only on DVD, too. They've never remastered it or done anything to it. I would have loved an HD copy of this.

This needs like a criterion or some shit. Really? Yeah. I can't believe there's no Blu-Raid. Like, this isn't a small band. This is one of the most famous bands all time. It's one of the best of the comments. It's like a band.

Like, this is what I, when you recommended it at the end of the last podcast episode, I was certain that there was some sort of Blu-ray I could buy because there's, you know, I... It's Pink Floyd. Not just Pink Floyd, but like this is supposed to be a classic. That's what my understanding was, is that this is like a classic film that like most people have watched or something.

That was my understanding, but apparently not. What the hell? It needs some sort of a better release. Maybe it is because all of the people hire up in charge of creative just didn't like it so there's just no interest on that level for anyone to go back to it again. I think Criterion actually has like a form where you can

suggest potential releases if they can acquire the rights or something. Everyone I'm from Sartonicos. Send them a message. Yeah, send them your head now. I'll find that form. No, don't do that.

And also you need to go to Netflix and request Nanolan and Kenny versus Spenny. Because Netflix has a form too. Nice. We need Kenny versus Spenny on Blu-ray. That's what we need. Yeah, I would love that.

Yeah. Yeah, this is a very purposeful and very enjoyable and very artistically presented film. Like, it hits all of the beats that I like, and I'm excited to see it for a second time, for sure. Yeah, me too. I hope to get more out of it a second time. What was your favorite scene? Oh, mine is the freak out moment in the, I guess his apartment. when well, Gildoff just loses it

because that's one of my favorite songs as well from the album. And I can't believe I didn't put it together that when I've been listening to that song, it is him just like having a breakdown because it's like he's found out his wife is cheating on him and he's just totally losing. Oh, yeah. When he's like, would you like to fly, learn to fly or whatever?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a good scene. Yeah, there's loads of good stuff in that. That was bizarrely morbid and like weirdly comedic in a way. Mm-hmm. What about you, Ralph? The animations were my favorite. Reminded me a lot of Fantastic Planet.

In the Fantastic Planet in my review, you mentioned this. Yeah. I thought about it a lot during the animations. I thought they were excellent. I like the trial one at the end, where he's putting himself on trial. That's very impressive. I think my favorite scene is the one where there's,

I think he's in his apartment still. He's in front of a TV or something, and then we get a wide, shot and the wall is just like the room is just huge and that that that big plant monster comes in and it has like a shadow being animated on the wall and it's like live action and and animation at once and I really loved that scene I loved the music in that scene too that was probably my favorite moment is a striking imagery in this there's the I love the shot of him on the couch and there's like the cigarette in his hand and like the ash hanging off of it is like ridiculous yeah yeah like two feet of

hash hanging off a cigarette. I love that too. You know what I found kind of funny, kind of interesting? Is that this movie kind of did the faces in the train scene from Jacob Ladder first and better. Yeah, I noticed that too. It reminded me of it. Yeah.

When that happened, I was like, hey, this is like better than Jacob's Ladder did it. You can't even give Jacob's Ladder credit for it anymore. I guess not. Oh, man. Yeah, it's really creative. It doesn't get repressive in terms of its presentation. Like they constantly keep it varied, whether it be an animation sequence or like a creative transition or just a camera movement. It's just like it never stops with new tricks.

It has up its sleeve. I will say some of the, I mean, some of the parts felt just a tiny bit repetitive. I guess in a more contained way, though, like they reused a lot of animation. Like the hammer scene was. the most noticeable with the, you know, they just kept showing the same shots over and over, but I can understand for like budgetary reasons, you know, it's expensive. Yeah, but I think it was to communicate a point, too. Not that they could have gotten a different angle. I mean, they could have, but the repetition and the dream was very purposeful to me anyway. Like, I didn't feel

like a budgetary restraint. I will agree that like, how long is it, an hour and a half? Like, yeah. Yeah. And like, I think for being an hour and a half music, video, it's as good as you can do it. I do think it could get a little old or attiring, watching something this long that has no dialogue in it. But I do think at the end of the day, it's rewarding. And I would definitely sit through it again. I would never call it boring.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely wasn't boring. Do you guys feel the length a little? No. Maybe a bit. I'm more familiar with the album, though. And that probably helps knowing the kind of structure of it in the pace and the story behind it. So for me, it's almost like just putting the record on in a way.

I'm just listening through the whole thing. Did you feel like the seven up product placement at the beginning was like kind of ironic in a way? Like even if it wasn't there to be ironic, but it was still kind of presented in kind of like a dystopian kind of way, you know? I thought there's a bunch of product placement stuff like that. Like Coca-Cola was in there too. Yeah, it's the Coke one. Yeah, and when the neo-Nazis are kind of breaking into all these places, they kind of make fun.

It will be advertising by just calling shops, like, whatever the name of the shop is and the blandest writing possible, yeah. Do you guys know the neo-Nazis scene, they actually hired real neo-Nazis for it for some reason? What? Really? I'm serious. Wow.

Yeah. Because they found people that would be comfortable doing the fucking salute or what? Yeah, I guess so. I don't know what their reasoning was, but they did it. They seemed very passionate about that salute. Like, after this film came out, this group of actual neo-Nazis called the Sledgehammer's or something kind of formed a group because of it. Yeah.

Kind of missing the point entirely in showing how goddamn stupid they are. But yeah. Wow. This is what I mean. It's so fascinating to me. But like the movie's so vague that I could see why a neo-Nazi would take it and go, this justifies my point of view. Oh yeah, because you just see someone being hateful and it's like,

that's what I think. I'm going to do that now. It's like someone watching Wolf a Wall Street and then like not thinking about the ending and being like, yeah, I want to be rich. He had a lot of fun. You know, like any one of those like success and then failure stories, they only think of the success. It's like, man, I want to be a gangster.

Even though every single movie, it's like their life turns to shit. The point of Wolfo Wall Street is that he basically gets away with it. That's like the, like he's this shit guy. Maybe I should think of a better example, like blow. Yeah, Blow is a better example of that. No, I found like a bunch of threads on, like, Reddit and forums and stuff with people like, should I get a hammer, like, tattoo or whatever when people were like, like, no.

don't do that it could really be interpreted the wrong way and that kind of thing is what the imagery represents yeah it's kind of that's kind of funny yeah just got a swastika instead yeah more to the point yeah exactly less room for interpretation yep i really uh really loved it really enjoyed it yeah i did too yeah i would like to see it again before I give it like a like a five-star rating so I'm gonna give it a four for now but like it's really well made really entertaining and you could tell a lot of talent that people put passion and hard work into it so that's all you can ask for yeah I'm with you man super unique you can't really see anything like it and it's a real treat for um like pink floyd fans um there's

lots of little easter eggs um when when the teacher takes his like poetry off him those are all lines from other Pink Floyd albums beforehand. Oh yeah, like the money or something? Yeah, yeah, there are references to wish you were here and the dark side of the moon and stuff. Yeah, it's a shame it's so hard to

sort of find and appreciate because it is only DVD quality and it's just begging to be upresed in some way. I know, it's super annoying. Yeah, it's upsetting. It was really annoying. Yeah, I can't wait to see it a second time. don't know when I will, but I could at any point, I guess.

I'm giving this one an 8 out of 10 for now. Yeah, I think I'd give it an 8 or a 9, probably. You're going back to the out of 10 rating? Well, whatever, because you just double it, don't you? Whatever you give it on Letterbox? I haven't rated it yet because I want to talk with you guys about it first before deciding properly. Eight or nine out of five? Eight or nine out of five, yeah.

We're all in the same ballpark. Pretty much. Yeah. Awesome. Good movie. We're all perfectly aligned. No nails sticking out on this podcast that we have to hammer down. We fought more about venom.

Well, I exaggerated it a bit to make it more entertaining. I mean, yeah. All right. I guess I want to move on to questions? Yeah, I got many questions here if we're ready, guys. So if you guys want to leave your own questions for us to answer on the next episode, hello to the Sardonicast Reddit, where Ralph will leave a funny post. And I'll go through and take a look at some of the best questions.

So the first one comes in from, that's like a nice Halloween sort of flavored one, from Zach Squatch, who says, what are some of the best makeup slash practical effects you've ever seen? The thing? Yeah, of course. Oh, jigs. Buy me a fucking cup.

Everyone has to say the thing. Does the thing have the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the CG filmed one. That film upsets me so much because they did do some really impressive practical effects for it, but they just covered it all with CG. Oh, yeah, that's such a sad story.

Yeah, they genuinely thought no one would like it, and it would look old. It's one of the most depressing behind the scenes stories ever. Oh, I know. So sad. But is the original thing, um,

has that got some of the best practical effects like work for so, do you think? Yeah. Wasn't that one technically a remake also? Yeah, it is. It's a, it's a, 1980s is what the thing from,

we all know we're talking about the 1980s. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, best practical effects I think I've ever seen. I'm trying to think something better. Yeah.

I like the, I'm, right now, let's see. I like the practical effects in Jurassic Park. I like the T-Rex scene in particular is very impressive to me, the way they kind of mingle it between being a huge practical model and with bits of CG is really well done. Mm-hmm.

Hmm. We'll get there. It's sad that it's quite rare. I guess the Terminator films have some good practical effects in them. Yeah, well, a lot of good horror movies have good practical effects, in terms of like the kills, you know. Nightmare on Amstreet. Nightmare on Amstreet. Friday of 13th has some pretty good ones.

I don't know. Suicide scores? There's better than those. Yeah, one Oscar. Yeah, one Oscar for Best Makeup. But I fucking, he's got a bad symbol with a knife through it on his arm. Best makeup. What a bunch of hacks.

What about more on the makeup side of things then? makeup side I mean fucking Cinecti New York had great makeup for like the

aging of the characters and tied together with the performances like that's it's not all that often where like younger actors can play

older people and it feels so fucking real like that that was a huge thing there the makeup looks great in that movie and like most movies that try to do

old age makeup like I'm thinking watchmen or something it looks terrible it looks so fake well like Harry Potter or some shit Like, Mr. Nobody.

I wasn't convinced. That's he supposed to be older? The fuck is that. The Star Wars movies, too. I mean, that's one of the best things about it. Is this the makeup and the practical effects are terrific. Yeah. So Neckhue in New York is my answer for makeup.

That's for sure. Oh, man. Fuck. Sorry, go on. I was going to mention some crazy fucking thing I found out about a movie coming up makeup wise but I almost don't want to say it until you guys see it it's not out yet so I'm just gonna I have almost feel like I shouldn't have read that article but all right really next question yeah somebody posted in my subred it you know you do well should I is it the

don't know what because so many movies come out I want to like find it and watch it there's something coming out in the next month or two that you'll probably be seeing anyway I guess. But I learned something pretty crazy about... Yeah, you know what? It's probably going to come out in the UK, yeah? I don't see why not. There's a crazy thing I learned about something in the movie.

I'm so vague. I know. I love these vague. I don't want to be spoiled, but I want to know what movie to see. I feel like I wanted to watch the movie without knowing that and then find that out later. I'll make sure you know about it. Okay. Cool.

I have one more answer. King Kong from 1933. All stop motion. Looks fucking awesome. Yeah, yeah. He's CGI any day. I love that. Well, that Jason and the Argonauts, the skeletons.

Oh, yeah, Jason and Argonauts. What's the name of the guy who made those? Ray Harryhausen? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yes. He was good at that shit. It's a shame the computers came and took over.

He didn't know how to use a computer. Poor guy. No. You know they were going to do Jurassic Park with Stop Motion originally. Oh. Well, that wasn't a good. That wouldn't have been good. No.

You never know. Egg Frenzy TV says, movies that would be better with an R rating. Apart from Venom. Ah. All the Wolverine movies. Plenty of them, honestly. Fuck.

Yeah, Wolverine. Any movie where I'm upset that there isn't real consequences. Dunkirk for me. Fucking The Hunger Games, even. Come on. You're gonna try and pretend like people are dying in this movie. One girl got thrown against the wall and then she just died. He just like threw her against the wall like,

I'm dead. Come on. Let's be clear. We don't think if a movie has more violence, it's better. It's just like, if you're going to find it. If you're going to show someone, yeah. If your movie's about killing and showing someone dying and you want the audience to feel it, it has to feel real.

And if someone just falls over, it doesn't, it's not real. It's fucking stupid. And you know what's fucking crazy about it is like you could, even show, you could even restrain yourself from like showing it on screen, you know? Like Funny Games is a great example of that where like all the violence happens off screen. But what's happening and how it's shown and how it's implied and how it's presented is just so like horrific and disturbing. And like there's actual consequences there. But, you know, Venom tried. They can do that shit. Or you can be more creative with it like, oh, I'm not going to show the violence. So

I'll turn the camera off screen and you'll see. see a shadow of someone getting shot. Like, show it creative. Like Spielberg does shit like that. That's fine, too. It's just if you're showing a close-up of somebody getting shot in the head, or like in Black Panther, when that woman's throat gets slit and there's no blood and she just falls down.

That was annoying. That was annoying. Honestly, I don't know. What movie would be better with an R rating? Like, fucking anything. I think, like, honestly, like, I'm a fan of seeing things that are more violent or grotesque or interesting, you know. Like I just I feel like it's less boring when those things are in the mix

Make every movie rated R make up rated R I would like to see it Do you find it interesting how like video games They're casting everywhere there's excessive violence everywhere For them it's hardly really been an issue and it makes it way more interesting as a result Like could you ever see a game like Wolfenstein ever getting a movie that would be as fun as that kind of set up? No, that's interesting though Yeah, people just like shooting other people and video games Yeah.

So no one really bats an eye at it. It's like, what else do you do in video games? Mm-hmm. And also, like, I don't know. It's just, it's so bizarre, because, like, so many people that play video games, like, Call a Duty and all these mature rated games are like 13-year-olds anyway. Yeah. You're trying to capture that demographic in the cinemas.

But I don't know. They could probably just show up with an adult and be fine for an R-rated movie. And there's tons of R-rated movies that are successful. New Wolverine, Deadpool, etc. You know, like... I don't think kids want to see them. I think kids would rather play violent video games and go see violent movies.

Maybe. I've always thought it would be like really funny for someone to like buy an intellectual property that all throughout history has been associated with kids and been like G-rated, whatnot. And then take that property and be like, we're going to make this like an R-rated

movie, like, making Alvin the Chipmunks where, like, Simon's addicted to meth. What about, like, the Ugi loves as, like, a horror movie? Oh, that would be great. Yeah. If you want to retain the movie loves, that's how to do it. Well, they kind of did that.

It's like they did the opposite with the teenage mutant ninja turtles. They started out being, like, an adult comic, and then it became, like, Cartoony, kid show. Yeah. You know what movie would be better R-rated? Cool Cat saves the kids That'd make it interesting

Have the child actually get shot by the gun that he finds It's like basically are rated already It's already so weird Yeah true It's already a lot of going on in that movie Creepy shit Isn't Cool Cat making the school shooting movie That might be rated on?

I don't know if that's actually happening anymore Really? I don't think it is Because he like Are you on his YouTube? Like he puts really weird videos up sometimes Oh yeah Derek Savage's crime show where he was like saying

he just re-edit scenes from various things he's already shot and tries to sell them again and stuff like that yeah he keeps like posting pictures to his Twitter profile of like behind the scenes production of Cool Cat but I'm pretty sure it's from like

the movie he filmed in like 2014 and I think he's just pretending to make new content and I think maybe even like the actor has just stopped working with him Remember that video he posted where it was just like him clearly in the cat suit and all of the audio was made from old cool cat clips? It's like he's pretending he's still doing things, but he's not. I don't know what's happening. It's really weird.

I think that's a safe assumption. We'll see where this story goes. Did we answer the question? Michael Scott 2003 says, favorite TV theme songs. There are plenty of good ones of those. I can start us off with one of... Sorry.

You guys familiar with Dexter's intro? Yeah. I like that. It's a good one. Nice one. Well, Game of Thrones. It's probably the best one. That song is epic. It gets you prepared for the epicness you're about to see.

Winner, Wiener, Wiener, Wiener, Winner. That's a good one, too. The Sopranos is a good one. Oh, yeah, Sopranos. Well, are we talking about just the songs or the openings themselves? It's a lot of great TV openings. We guess we could talk about both. It's just, yeah, favorite theme songs in the opening.

Mad Men's got a really good one. Mm-hmm, Madmen. The Simpsons, house. Simpsons, yeah. The Wire. Oh, yeah, the Wire. Every season, they have, like, a different cover of the same song, right? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. I gotta watch more of the wire. Ducktails. Pokemon's a good one. How about out of the old sitcoms? I think the fresh prince theme is the best one. Oh, Seinfeld.

Yeah, that's a good one. The Fresh Prince theme, though. I genuinely love the Seinfeld theme. Yeah, this is a good one. Oh, and the guy who wrote Seinfeld. What's it called? Larry David? Yeah, what's his show called?

Carbure Enthusiasm. Yeah, yeah. That's an icon. That's a great one. man apparently they're making a season 10 yeah good yeah did you guys see season 9 i didn't i'm catching up on the rest of them oh man i plowed through like the entire series when i got really sick once it was awesome yeah it's a super funny show yeah tons of tons of great themes full house yeah sure whatever happened to predictability i know i know all the lyrics of that

good I'm proud of you thanks you know what no who doesn't have good openings Netflix I don't think

any of the Netflix shows have like really memorable openings right uh making a computer has a good

sound track a house of cards one's boring it's just shots of DC but like I don't know I like the

score for it orchestra it's fine the daredevil one is like okay yeah stranger things

oh stranger things yeah Although it sounds very similar to the Only God Forgives song. I guess that's the best one on Netflix. Did you guys ever watch American Vandal? Yeah. No, but I've heard it's really good. You should watch it.

That's the one where the kid spray paints the penises. Yeah, there's a season two, by the way. Is that good? I saw the teaser for that, and it didn't look that good. I enjoyed it. I didn't like it as much as season one, but it was still definitely worth watching. Which I don't say about most shows. great he was like some youtube star and they got him for season one to be like the main kid he was

fantastic yeah the dude bro guy yeah he's like at first you think he's like he's oh he's awesome dude bro but then he becomes this really likable character yeah he's in a few movies i think now good he deserves work he's a good yeah he was great he he was he was part of what made me like season one more than season two for sure yeah was is he even in season two No, it's a different story. Different school. Yeah, I know it's a different story, but they have the same people around. Like those...

It's just the two filmmakers. Yeah, the film students come back. I don't know if the other... Like Ray Malondo or whatever. Okay. It's funny. There's some good parts in it. From underscore Guy underscore,

the most controversial question to be asked on this thread ever. What are your opinions on anime? I believe it's... pronounced anime. Sorry, anime. Anim. How familiar are we with anime? I watched Corey in the House.

Oh yeah, that's a great app. I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm huge on anime. And I guess we're talking purely like television series, or are we including movies? Let's just keep it to television, but the anime most people think of. Like, I fucking love DeathNote. Yeah, I watched it last year. It was genuinely quite good, up into a certain point. That's, like, an anime for people that don't like anime, you know?

Yeah. It's an anime that everybody can love. It works. What was the certain point, Alex, where... There's a... There would be a spoiler. I'm not going to say, but there's just... Episode 27?

Yeah, when, you know, the best character. Yeah. We're not going to say much more. Yeah, there's definitely a shift. It could have ended there, honestly. But Devil Man Cry Baby is pretty fun. That's a Netflix one. Okay.

I'm enjoying that. I think Ralph, you might enjoy Devil Man Cry Baby. It's really, like, out there. Okay. It's really very... The animation style is really cool. It's very, like, violent and energetic. And it's an entertaining watch.

And you have to, like, I don't know, the plot isn't, like, super tight. Like, it's not something that's, like, super well written. It's a little bit formulated, but it's a really fun watch, something that I can, like, watch casually and go back to every couple weeks or something. Mm-hmm. Okay. I just usually don't watch a lot of animated stuff in general. I mainly try to keep to live-action narrative.

Yeah, I'm with you. That's why I haven't really watched anime. Although I have friends who have watched it, and I don't know. I don't think it's for me. yeah i just i've i've seen three full like seasons of like anime various different anime and i've only kind of liked one which was death note yeah death note is awesome i think anime has the stigma of like being this nerdy dorky thing and like it's a lot of like a negative connotation in america and i don't like that i think

it's just as valid of an art form as anything else and i think it does have some merit lots of merit You know, but it's just not for me. I don't know. There are things with the genre that kind of turn me away from it sometimes. Yeah. Like depending on the series? Like the fan art? No, no, no, no, no.

I wouldn't, I mean, like, there's shitty fan art of everything. Yeah, I guess. What I'm talking about is, like, I watched, I was watching an anime called Wolf's Rain, and I think it was about, like, 15 episodes in, like, halfway through the series or something. Like, you know, things are moving along. like I'm invested in some way and then all of a sudden there's like probably six episodes

in a row where they just did recaps and I'm like I've seen all this shit and like I it would be one episode of let's recap everything about this character and then it would end and then the next episode let's recap everything about this character I'm like seriously fuck and then I never finished it

I just like I got so like uninvested in it that I just was just like ah and then I never continued I'd like to start it again I guess but holy fuck that was annoying apparently that's just like an animeism yeah there's also a bit of a like cultural

barrier thing with just the way they tend to write dialogue sometimes for their shows can be a bit exposition heavy I find maybe some of the worst ones budget yeah and yeah the actual just can't show so they got to explain it

exactly yeah or the like animation can be really repetitive sometimes or quite sort of static for budgetary reasons. Yeah. I guess it just depends on which one we're talking about, though. That's quite a vague. That's really what turns me away from it too.

When I watch something animated, I really want to appreciate how much work went into the animation. And not that they don't put work into it. Obviously, they do. But it's definitely cheaper. It's a cheaper standard. Whereas if I watch like an anime movie, like Akira, I fucking love Akira.

That movie looks gorgeous. And that's one of the many reasons why I love it. So I guess it depends. Yeah. I would recommend that both of you watch at least one episode of Food Wars. Is that like an anime? It's an anime. It's a food network, like Cupcake Wars or something.

Food Wars, Shokugeki No Soma, I think is the full title. Watch at least one episode of that, because it's its own little special thing. Nice, I'll do that. It's pretty entertaining. But yeah, I'm not like, I don't know. I have to find the right series, I guess. And sometimes, you know, there's things that have interesting. interesting concepts, but then you just have to give a lot of credit to, you know, like some of them just turn kind of shit.

There was an anime that I found really interesting called, uh, what the fuck was it called? Oh, no. Ah! This is going to destroy me. There's like a Netflix version of it that was like in, it's fucking computer animated. I need to look this shit up right now. Oh, I think I know what you mean. I think it's on my list here. Can't help you guys. I'll edit this out.

The Titan? Oh, Attack on Titan was kind of cool. I didn't watch Season 2 though. Yeah, I watched Attack on Titan. Don't allow these go on for a really long time too? That's kind of what turns me off from it. To have to invest so much time into like one show. It's like, come on, can you wrap it up eventually?

How much can you explore? There's an anime called G-A-N-T-Z or Z. And I found that one really watchable. But by the end of it, it was like, I don't know, it was only like eight episodes or something. And I felt like barely anything happened. Like the whole thing was told in real time. So like, you know, like half an hour is half an hour, I guess.

Yeah. And it just felt like by the end of it, it's like, wow, you could have had the exact same amount of episodes in runtime. but the story could have gone twice as far, and I would have loved to have seen more. But, that one, that one was pretty, pretty interesting,

at least, pretty good, pretty violence and fun. I think I've seen clips of that one, yeah. Yeah. Do we don't want to do one last question? Yeah,

might as well. Yeah. Yeah, boy. We mentioned, um, a bit of the subject earlier. I did. I.

M.S. B.S. 1-1-1-1. says, what games do you think do the whole story thing right in your opinions? Oh, very good question. Last of Us has a great story, although it's a little inspired by children of men and stuff like that. But, like, that's one of the only games where I genuinely felt human emotion for characters. And I think Naughty Dog does that super well, like making it as realistic as you possibly can,

making it as cinematic as you possibly can. Yeah. You know, that's why a story like that works for me. I was also going to say The Last of Us, like Nottie Dog does a great job with integrating the gameplay into the story. Like, you know, the opening scene of that game is just so powerful. Because it's not like you're just watching a cutscene, right? Like, when you're in the back of a truck, like, and there's the, you know, the burning farm that you're going across. And, like, you're controlling the character and you can move the camera so that the character.

is looking back at the burning thing, or you can ignore it. And just that level of, like, control that you have in that situation brings you into the character's head. It's, like, it makes it so much more of an impactful experience than if you were just watching it passively as a cutscene or as a film even. So I think, like, in terms of, like, cinematic presentation, like, Nottie Dog does a great job. And I'm excited for The Last of Us, too, for sure.

Yeah, me too. And the flow of their games is so well. Like, there's games where it's clear gameplay. cutscene. But everything in their games just meshes together beautifully. I mean, there are cutscenes, but you want to watch them because they're so like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying to say. Never mind. The narrative's just interesting. The characters are interesting. Yeah, they're just good storytellers. They're just really are. They're building up something you can actually get attached to instead of just being. And that's something like I feel a lot of video games,

they don't have to do it for one thing because I feel a lot of people play video games, not for that. They feel just to, they just want to escape. They want some escapism for a few hours, and they just want to shoot shit. But the few video games that actually put time and effort into telling a story and making you like those characters, you know, I respect that a lot. I just don't think it's done a lot. There was an indie game that I got on Steam that I was actually very pleasantly surprised with. It was like, I beat it in like two hours. It's pretty short.

It's a low commitment thing. It's called What Remains of Edith Finch? Oh, okay. And I would definitely recommend that. That was a very interesting, like, story presentation. It's not like a traditional narrative story for sure. But I walked into that game, like, kind of planning on shitting on it, and I was really happy with it by the end of it.

I like inside and limbo. Those two. Yeah, I really like inside. They tell the story really well. The exact opposite. They tell it just through gameplay, no dialogue at all. Yeah, that one's more of, like, a gameplay experience than story, though, I guess. Yeah, I guess.

I don't know. But I think it does tell a story. It's just completely visual and no dialogue. Completely visual in a way that only a video game can. Okay. I think as far as like traditional cinematic style of storytelling, I mentioned Wolfenstein earlier, but either of you guys played Wolfenstein too?

No. Yeah. Like that game's like the story isn't anything special, but I found the storytelling to be really stylish and well done. Yeah, especially for a game like that. Like there's some really, good scenes. There's a certain scene with like someone playing a saxophone

which is really impressive that I thought was extremely well executed for a game. It really took advantage of what what video games can allow you to do that you cannot do in in the real world with just real world limitations whereas too much

of the time video games kind of they kind of copy movies but they copy bad movies or bad tropes like I think something like destiny where it's just they're not just copying movies but they're copying like bland kind of fucking bad science fiction movies but wolfenstein too like it's got so much energy to it and they really thought about like the the the way it's the camera work moves and yeah and the acting everything is there's some really good videos yeah yeah characters are great they're

like these cartoonish there's the guy with like a hole in his head yeah this this older woman in a robot suit yeah it's fucking it's great it's so great Maybe I should play it. Yeah, you should. Both of them. Even the first one is pretty awesome. There's the scene in the second one with Hitler. Like Hitler comes in and you have to audition for him.

He's like pissing in his chamber pie. Let's go countless great scenes like that. Yeah. Have you guys ever played any of the Odd World games? No, I haven't heard of them. No? Oh, man. Don't do the, don't do like the new and tasty remake.

Play through the, you can actually get them on Steam, the original Odd World games. Amazing art design, like, great gameplay, and really, really, really well done cutscenes. I think my favorite cutscenes, maybe from any game, might be from Munch's Odyssey. Like, that's, really? That has some awesome, awesome cutscenes in it, for sure. And you genuinely feel rewarded whenever you get to them. How do you guys feel about What's his name?

Hideo Kajima His stories and storytelling Not for me Yep That's how I feel I find it really pretentious I'm being honest I have him up there with a David Cage

Yeah Norman Rita's and the funky fetus Amnoxious Really like perverted sometimes I think the guy's got some great ideas But he needs To just be an ideas man And have like funnel through someone

someone else. Like Yermo. He needs other people, yeah, he needs other people to keep them grounded, you know? Yeah. Like, Death Stranding looks completely incomprehensible at this point. I don't even think it's a real game. I don't know, like, I don't know what it is, I don't know what you're doing it. I just know Norman Redis is in it. Have you guys ever played a suit of 51 game? No. No, no. Oh my God. Play Killer 7. That has, it's a very fun game, very satisfying play-thru. very incomprehensible as well. He's like, he's one of my favorite game designers

because like no matter what game you play from him, like it's always going to be different and it's always going to be like really weird and interesting and just like a fun, funny kind of like bizarre experience. And he's got so many fucking games. I'm trying to play through all of them on my channel. I want to mention two,

Bioshock games. Those are especially infinite and the first one. Those have really great stories. And Red Dead, Red Dead, of course, yeah. Especially for an open world game. Because usually open world games, not that they have bad stories, they're just not really concerned with the story as much. But for an open world game,

that story is fucking excellent. It's a great life. It too comes out soon, doesn't it? Yeah, really. That's going to be my whole life, November. It's just funny that. Yeah. When does that come out?

October 27th, 28th, whatever the Friday is of that week. Dang. Cannot wait. I got a shout out of the South Park games, man. Oh, yeah. You play a stick of truth and the superhero one. Yeah, they're fucking hilarious.

And you're like fighting some, I don't remember it, but you're fighting like someone while your dad is fucking your mom. And it's like a ball sack flying in the background. Those are awesome. All right, I guess we answered all the questions? Yeah. Those are good. All right.

So I guess we've got a movie recommendation. And I guess it's my turn, right? Yeah. Yeah, nice. Yeah, boy. So we've actually got a guest joining us for the next episode. It's a guest we've already had on. And don't worry, audience.

We will be getting more guests as well, newer guests. But I kind of wanted Chris Stuckman to come back to watch this movie. because he expressed interest in talking about a Michelle Hanukkah film. So my recommendation is for the piano teacher which is probably

I guess I won't say you guys already know this is my favorite director so I might as well to say it. Like this is in my top ten movies probably so I don't know if you'll feel the same way but But this is, yeah, definitely something that I just, I consider to be one of my faves. And I'm excited to have a discussion on it.

So the French title would be La Pianist, I think. And yeah, there's a criterion Blu-ray for anybody that wants it. There's also, there's probably a European Blu-ray as well, but I'm sure you can find it on iTunes or something. Yeah. Yeah, next episode, that will be the discussion. So if you want to listen to the discussion, I highly recommend that you check out the film between now and next episode.

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I'm going to bring some carnage, guys. Yeah, something, something, carnage. I don't even remember what you said. I guess there'll be a lot of carnage, wink. I groaned. I audibly just immediately got up and left. Yeah, I didn't even stay around long enough for that. Walked out the second Eminem started singing.

Oh, really? I got me out of the fuck out of here. Oh, that's funny. All right. Thank you, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.