Sardonicast - Sardonicast 194: Superman, Final Destination: Bloodlines, Spaceballs

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

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Three, two, one. It's a bird. It's a plane. It's Sardinicast. Hello, everybody. This is Adam from your movie sex. Nice. Welcome.

Hi. Nice. I'm Alex from IH. I'm going to go for half man, half dog. I'm my own best friend. Hmm. That's a good one. I'm Jake from Man Caring Thing.

I'm going to go with Calel. No. Which is not from any of the films we're talking about today. I feel like it lives rent-free in my head. What is that? 90% of my days. That's the best Superman. Yeah, it's from the best Superman movie.

Oh. Justice League. I only saw the Snyder cut. Wow, aren't you cool? Yeah. That's his highest rated film on IMDB. I believe it. Is it really?

Yeah, because only people that give a shit about, like, like only Snyder fans and people interested in it. So, like, it didn't get a theatrical release. So. I haven't seen it. Yeah. Snowder fans are the best. The subreddit is just fire. I love it. They're super chill. Yeah, I love them all. They're very normal. Yeah. You know, the best part about watching this new Superman was like checking out Man of Steel for the first time just to see. For the first time? Oh my God. Yeah, no, because I like when it came out, I was just avoiding it like the play. I was still working at Best Buy when it came out. I guess it was what, 2013? It was eight ago now. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody was like. Are you going to see it?

I'm like, no. Doesn't seem like it's for me. And that was before the whole DC universe and superhero fatigue. I'm like, no, this just looks really boring. And watched it recently. And I was right, but it was also funny at parts, you know. How did it hit in 2025? Like melanoma.

Damn. So he loved it. Yeah. It was terrible. It was genuinely terrible. Did you like when Paw Kent is just like, no, let me die, Clark in a tornado? Yeah, for no reason. And it's played super seriously.

It's like, its biggest problem is like it takes itself so seriously and it thinks it's epic. And all I'm thinking of is just like the psychology of the people that like that works really well on. Like you just insist a seriousness and some people are just like, yes. With also like the America and Christian tones portrayed in the movie. Like he fucking goes to church at one point, you know, small town America. I feel like it's the definition of hype moments in aura in a movie. It really has basically only that a few times. Henry Cavill was kind of bad in it.

Like people, like I remember the conversation when they was rebooting this James Gunn thing. there were some people like, I don't know, Angry Joe and like a bunch of other people that were just like, they were freaking out because Henry Cavill wasn't going to be Superman anymore. It's like, I don't know if it was, you know, about the performance or just like,

because you wanted to continue what you felt was like an unresolved story or something. But like, I'm looking at him in this movie and he's, he's doing the thing that like some of the, female actors in the saw films do where it's like you're you're prioritizing trying to look pretty over any moment in your performance and so he's doing this like he's doing this weird fucking like chad suave face that he's like very clearly forcing through most of the movie like even in like serious scenes it's hilarious it's insane and i'm like do people just he's mewing and orifarming do they

like him because they think he's pretty they're like i want the hot superman he is pretty they don't he's pretty he is pretty no uh-huh they want to be hanging off his ripped arms did you see um what uh armand white said about the new superman the new one yeah i did yeah yeah notorious snider fan boy there right so he was on that on that camp you're saying he's he said a couple there are a couple uh moments from this i'm just going to get the direct quotes uh also anybody listening, I changed my mic settings if I sound different. So theoretically, this should make me sound more consistent in volume. It might sound different, but we're going to see how it goes. If I sound different, it's because I started smoking cigarettes. Oh, congratulations.

Nice one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but only when my baby's around. Oh, okay. Well, you know, it's polite to share. Well, I wanted to think I'm cool, you know. So he briefly mentions in his new Superman review he briefly mentions the Snyder one as a way of saying like what this is lacking and this sentence is just insane lacking Snyder's erotic pairing of Henry Cavill and 80 Amy Adams. Erotic what they've got like negative chemistry in that movie too. Oh yeah they have zero chemistry and they play it up to this moment of them having like a kiss as if it was like oh we've been waiting for that it's so earned for their characters like I'm so happy they're finally together like what

okay Amy this is the first movie that where Amy Adams has just been like bad that I can think of like maybe I haven't seen every movie she's in but like she was in some really good stuff around this time oh yeah amazing I wouldn't really blame her for a second I think it's probably more down to that direction and the style that it's trying to go for yeah so Armand White crazy man he calls he calls the man of steel the godfather of superhero movies. He also thinks that the new Superman is talking about COVID and Ukraine. Oh.

Yeah. How did he qualify the COVID stuff? Let's see. I'll read the whole sentence. They wear masks. The superheroes wear masks. Luther combats Superman through a combination of science and technology, injecting nanobot GPS trackers into Superman's bloodstream using methods that

recall the hideous COVID manipulation. Wow. Didn't you? Wow. That's a crazy sentence. Okay. I guess that's one interpretation. Lex Luther is Mr. Fauci.

He's Fauci, right? Oh, yeah. Right. Wow. God, the rock goes deep. Yeah. all right um i guess we'll talk about the new superman right after i issue a correction uh clint mansell

did not make the music for uh 28 days later it was john murphy and i got them confused for some reason sorry well i think you should be kicked off the podcast i should be canceled agreed yeah yeah what'd you think well let me go a good superman movie fellas. I think James Gunn did it. And I'm not even like a Superman guy. Like outside of those Bruce Tim cartoons from the 90s,

2000s, I've never really connected with this character that much. But I feel like his version of it on screen was like a breath of fresh air. As far as these movies are concerned, it felt very sincere, didn't feel cynical. It feels like a James Gun movie, which

I like, which is what I want from these big $200 million dollar blockbusters. I thought it was really charming. I got some issues here and there. It's not my favorite gun, I don't think. But I saw this, what, four, five days ago now when it was out in IMAX. And it's only been getting better in my head as time passes. I even might go see it again.

It feels like a nice campy leaning into the source material. It had a lot to do. There's a lot of baggage on this movie, too, and I feel like it maneuvered around it quite well, like Superman flying around. dodge in all of these potential landmines that have been laid. Got some questions about the future or what this movie means as far as like, you know, the endless universe discussions and all of that,

but we can get into that in a bit, I guess. But top level thoughts, this is what I would want from a Superman movie, really. It's probably my favorite Superman maybe. Nice. Yeah, I fucking loved it. Eight out of ten. Just great time. at the beginning?

Let's go. Whoa. Oh my God. I'm really breaking things today. Yeah, I mean, I got to break the mold. Like Superman 2025 breaks the mold of being not shit in a DC. I thought only shooting stars broke the mold. Yeah, that also.

But also, but also Superman is good. I think James Gunn, I had my doubts because I'm like, I don't know if tonal this is going to work. And the trailers didn't really give me a lot of confidence going in. But I was optimistic because I'm like, I haven't really hated any James Gunn movies. Like I like all the Guardians movies. They aren't my favorite. Superman, I really like as a character. I thought Man of Steel was a travesty when I saw it, you know, was my dad in 2013. I was like depressed. Like, I think that was, like, clinically depressed after watching that. And I didn't grow up on Superman But I grew up watching Superman Returns, which is not a great movie, but I enjoyed it because

that was a kid and it was nice and fun. And, you know, got to love Kevin Spacey. Gotta love him. Wrong. Yeah, wrong. Yeah, good moments. There's some fun moments. The airplane sequence is cool.

Anyways, we're not talking about Superman Returns because this movie is far superior. All the fun little characters, crypto. I mean, it is like manipulative. I think in the way that it like tugs at your heartstrings, especially with like animals and babies. Like there's a sequence with like a little tiny alien baby that I'm just like, fuck you. Like I had no, don't put this baby in peril. But it was funny. It was like an out and out comedy some of the times, but it also managed to like land the heart.

And I think it's because they understand Superman as a character as just being like a sentimental, sweet, naive kid, you know, in the body of the most powerful man in the world. And I just thought they nailed the casting. It's not perfect. It has like some pacing issues. But I really liked just being thrown into this world. It just kind of swept me away. And I could tell the audience I was watching it with was just having a fun time. It was not overly serious.

It was just like a good classic comic book movie. I think it needed. I don't think it was erotic enough for me. I knew that was going to be your first take. Yeah. I was like when I was watching, watching. I was like, Adam's going to need this to be a bit more erotic. Yeah. I'm, I'm Armand white. That's my alias. That's my Clark Kent. You've been on to cover this whole time.

Yeah. So, I mean, like, okay, there, I, I haven't been seeing a lot of, uh, larger films and theaters as of late. I've been trying to like figure out my priorities with my time and manage things, especially going through a bunch of health issues. You know, less energy, less time. So I'm being careful about what I pick. This one seemed intriguing to me because of it just, you know, being like, okay, we're going to not do Snyder anymore, right? Which is a good thing.

A good thing for any kind of universe. I was looking at my IMDB ratings for Snyder films. I'm like, damn. Like the average is. like a two out of ten. Like, yeah. It's, it's, he's, he's like maybe the most atrocious big name director working today. Like a legitimate director.

Uh-huh. That people give money. Like, it's, it's absolute insanity. Yeah. And he has fans. A lot of Armand White's out there. You know what I learned recently is that he, he, his, uh, Dawn of the Dead was written by James Gunn.

Oh, that's funny. Like, if the Snyderheads knew that. Yeah, weird that. They're like good friends, aren't they? Yeah, that's crazy. I was like, didn't know that. Which is funny with all that beef. Yeah.

Yeah. I like the idea that there's people that think that if this new Superman movie flopps, that they'll get the James Gunn universe back. When in reality, it would just mean that you wouldn't get another Superman movie for like 20 years. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. I thought it was good. I enjoyed my time watching it in the theater. And I wasn't bored. I do have some criticisms. And it's also just not really my kind of movie at the end of the day. But I mean, yeah, the same goes for like any other James Gunn superhero movie that I've seen. And like, my experience with them is consistently like, I enjoy myself watching it the first time.

And then I forget about it within like four days. And then I have to retroactively decide like, should I have given it a seven or should that actually be a six? And then some amount of time later, maybe years. I'm like, you know, I'm not going to watch this again. I'm giving it a six. I can't remember shit about this. This is one of those where it's like, it's a fine. experience in a theater.

People seem to love it. The people next to me said it was like a perfect movie for what it was going for, the perfect superhero type film. And I get that. In many ways, it was very refreshing. But I couldn't help shake the realization, just this overwhelming feeling throughout the entirety of it,

that all of these things, all of these qualities that make, this film refreshing and like a breath of fresh air in this genre are things that should be the standard and it's kind of embarrassing that they're not. Right? Like this is what

this is what an average normal superhero movie should be like like the effects should look this good if you spent that much money on it. That should be the standard right? Like definitely. Yeah it this is about the amount of seriousness

that a superhero movie should take itself with, like aside from, you know, some examples of different visions, I guess. But like, you know, this type of character especially, right? I think it's funny how James Gunn's, like, mission for the new DCU has been like, we're going to do things differently for our movies. We're going to make sure we have a script flop. Before we start filming it's like, exactly what you're saying at. I'm just like, shouldn't that be the bare minimum?

But, I mean, go ahead. Great. Let's do that. Yeah. And it's not like an indictment of this film in of itself, but more so just the genre that it's, I can't believe that we've gotten here. And it's been how many years since like the first Ironman, like over 20 years or something? How long has it been? Has it been that long?

Yeah, not even 20 years. It's almost 20 years. And so it's just, from there to now, it's just crazy. It's crazy the state that we're in. And I don't know. like even though this was enjoyable, I don't really have super high hopes or expectations for like the cinematic universe of this. I guess it depends how heavily involved James Gunn is. Like is he essentially overseeing the entire universe or is he just like kind of directing some of them?

From what I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how. Because next up on the slate is Supergirl, I think. So I don't know how they're going to...

I don't know how ambitious their plans are. They don't have like the big Marvel map that has like the next 10 years and every single possible option on there. But there's like a clay face body horror movie that's apparently being made. Okay. I do like...

Well, Jake was getting out with the funny script comment. But his comments also about like one of the things that held back that whole MCU style and part of why it's so kind of dull and boring at this point. is stylistically they're so similar by design whereas gun talks about how he wants

each one of them to adapt to the character basically because like if if you made a Batman movie that looked like this Superman it would be absurd I mean we kind of saw that with like the flash like you know just having Batman in like broad daylight and how goofy and ridiculous and it just just didn't work didn't sell so I think this is about as good as an approach for a Superman as that Batman movie from a few years ago was for Batman, like understands the characters, understands the mood and atmosphere. And I don't know, James Gunters, he cares about those characters and the source material, and you can tell, like, there's heart to it. He cares. Like, he actually cares. And he,

one of the strengths of his entire superhero run is that he clearly loves the niche, super corny, lame stuff and grabbing that and taking it and making it like the best part of the movie. Like, I've known about crypto in like a tertiary way. But I was like, really, they're putting crypto in this Superman movie that's supposed to start this new universe? That's risky as hell. The same with, like, the Guardians of Galaxy, like, who gives, who gave shit about those characters or, like, knew anything about them. You know, like, people are saying that, like, Mr. Terrific is the, the standout character in this movie to say, have you ever even heard of this two before? As you haven't.

Like, he really plucked Guy Gardner for his first movie. Mad respect for me. Like, I think that's really funny and ambitious and cool that he just leans into the goofiest stuff. finds an angle to make it work who humanize it have these distinct characters that also avoids that marvel problem where they all just feel like they're doing these snark-offs in like every scene they're in it's like even if they're a black widow who's like a child slave effectively from like super spy is like making these quips and it just feels totally inconsistent a lot of the time uh and that these characters kind of blend together but i feel like with all of his superhero affair he just gets the

characters and it's kind of the most important part in a way the block can be messy here and there but as long as that is nailed and i'm just loving how that Superman out of all these superheroes he's such a symbol of like hope and uh so much like goodness like the i've seen that like captured in a film properly like he's rescuing with squirrels he's saying like golly and stuff like this it's campy it's silly but there's something really hopeful and great about that in a time those are kind of the emotions and feelings that I feel like people really need. And I feel like it absolutely nails that side of it. Yeah.

Alex, did you see the 1978 Superman? Yeah. Yeah, I've seen the Donner films. Only like once, though, again, this character never really spoke to me. But I find it charming, the original one, at least. It's got some funny scenes. But also, that's one of the things this film had to address as far as like, that's how Superman is known.

He's like, too powerful. He can turn back time by, like, flying around the earth. That was... Stuff like that. Illogical. So yeah, that kind of... Almost the whole first act felt to me like addressing all these things that like, right, we've got to depower this guy.

We've got to make sure you see him saving squirrels. He's saving people. He's like a lovely, like, nice dude. Let's just undo this like bad Superman optics from like decades and just establish him baseline as a character. Keep it simple, stupid. But yeah, the 70s one is, it's still charming. It is charming.

I thought that Who was it Christopher Reeves? I thought that he did Just Reeve Christopher Reeve Oh Reeve Oh shit really Damn

Yeah I think people mix it out because there was a George Reeves Who was Superman A long time ago Yeah I thought I thought that Christopher did a Great job with the character In I only saw the first one I really enjoyed his like

pathetic nerdy Clark Kent especially it was a lot of fun I think that he brought a lot to that film just the performance was really good also out of all of the Superman movies that I've seen so I guess the three of them Man of Steel

2025 and 1978 I think that Christopher Reeve did the best job selling the serious moments of the performance like you know when he's when he's spoilers from a movie for a movie from the 70s, when he finds Lois's body in the rubble or whatever, and he sort of just screams in agony, like, that's a really good performance moment.

And one of my criticisms with this 25, 2025 film is that I don't know the guy's name, David Corso. David Corrin Sweat. Cornswet. What a British-sounding name, but he's American. I feel like his performance worked so well for the comedic moments, but not very well for the serious moments. I felt like when he was trying to do serious moments, like, sure, the, you know, the filmmaking is communicating things more or less properly. But particularly his performance felt kind.

It just reminded me too much of like Will Ferrell type yelling. Like he belongs in a Judd Apatow comedy film. Like when he's getting angry or serious, I just like, I couldn't take him seriously. And it was one of those things where it's like, okay, I guess with this movie, it's not that I need to take it that seriously. But I kind of would have liked to in those moments. So, yeah, that was lacking for me in this newest film for sure. Interesting. I feel almost a completely inverse where for me, some of the parts I didn't enjoy were some of the jokes that didn't quite connect with me.

I didn't find them like cringe-worthy, like the laser-fell. stuff from Guardians 2 or whatever. But it was more the serious stuff I actually enjoyed. Like I actually think the best scene in the movie is one that's in one of the trailers where Lois and Clark are debating. In fact, a lot of my favorite scenes in the movie are just scenes with them, like talking or hovering into the sky, having a kiss, stuff like that. So yeah, I almost feel the inverse.

Yeah, the dialogue's very good. Yeah. Yeah, those dialogue scenes between them kind of hold the movie up for me. I mean, that's when it really clicked because you get, to you see why they're also like a good pair because they kind of balance each other out. You know, Clark Kent is way too naive and like he sees the good in people. And Rachel Brosnahan's Lois Lane is kind of cynical and, you know, trying to see things from all these different perspectives.

And they have like a very good. I just think that, yeah, they nailed the chemistry with those two characters. And I think that another moment that like made it work for me is that there's a certain specificity in Superman, and I think that's what makes any, like, writing work or any of these characters work when you try to look at it in, like, a generic archetypal way. You can do that, and you can have cool hype moments, like, in Man of Steel, but you don't feel any, like, specificity with who that person is, you know, he just feels like a generic individual. Whereas in this, it's like you have Clark Kent talking about, like, he's the type of person who's like,

I love punk rock, but it's like very commercial stuff. And he's not like, you know, it's like he wants to, he thinks he's more, like, badass than he actually is or whatever, or, um, you know, he's just like a, a Labrador retriever. He's, he's, he's just like a good person. And that, uh, that kind of conversation between them, like, made it click and like, oh my God. Like, I just, I love this person. I like how he's dealing it with a very contemporary world that feels very specific and very relevant to today. Like, there's so many screens in this movie for stuff. That could be a criticism, but I think that They handled it well. Phones, tablets, TV, like, there's social media.

There's, like, Fox News, you know, the fake Fox News in their world. But, yeah, like, Tucker Carlson's in there. Yeah, yeah, it feels like a heightened. And it's not like with, you have like the kind of Tucker Carlson of like Spider-Man, No Way Home. And, um, Alex Jones type character. Yeah, you have that in the Marvel world. But it feels way to like, so much of the Marvel world building feels like it's just slapped onto our world without anything.

Like this, the world building in this Superman movie feels like, okay, this is a separate universe. And I think that they do, they establish that so well because of the title cards in the beginning of the movie. Like 300 years ago, there were metahumans, blah, blah, blah. Lots of threes. And that really makes you feel, yeah, I feel like it grounds the universe, but also makes it sort of heightened that it feels like a comment on today and very, like, sort of parallel

to our world, but also a bit. it sillier and it just works like tonally like they just they nailed the tone and I think the writing is just really solid yeah yeah I loved how kind of

apathetic the average people were like looking up from their phone to see like a big Superman fight happening in the implication like yeah we just used him saving stuff we're just used to this craziness right and like taking selfies while there's a big kaiju in the background that's funny to me I think that's actually quite

a way to differentiate it and and set up like this universe like it's an invincible or something that's just there's just always chaos yeah they're numb to it like when him and lois were having that conversation and the glowing thing was there was like a battle in the background yeah that looked that looked nice too i like the color palette i also like that the movie wasn't overly dark like obviously that that's one of the reasons i saw it is because the trailer it's like oh we're we're not making it way too dark to hide imperfections in the computer animation. Like, right?

We're, we're not going to pretend to have this like dark, super dark serious tone by giving everything just like a 50% darkness, right? Yeah, that was nice about it. And as I said earlier, the effects look great. Like they actually, the, the animation looks really, really good in this movie, especially the shots that are in brighter life. some of the trailer shots like when those like

pipes or whatever about to hit that girl and then he like shows up in slow-mo or whatever the CG dog that's probably the best CG dog I've ever seen I can't think of a better one

like there's shots where it's like oh that looks kind of real like they really nailed the movement and the yeah he's really well animated like he acts and behaves like a real dog And that comes down to the writing too, you know.

So it just, it all clicked. Yeah, I love what they do with crypto. Because, like, he's also not a boy scouting dog that's just like a dog version of Superman. He sucks. He's like, just looking after this dog. He's like an annoying, like, problem. And one of the best lines in the movie is Superman talking about crypto and he's just like, he's just a dog and not even a good one. But he's out there and he's scared.

It's like, you just get this. Like, that's, that's exactly what he's about. I absolutely love that. Can y'all explain to me why everything is named cryptonian, crypto, and krypton, and like... They just like Bitcoin and, you know, it's a marketing thing. Okay. Supercoin, yeah.

Well, that explains that. Yeah, I don't know. But I like the Kryptonian stuff as well. like it's kind of a spoiler for the movie. Do we want to go into spoilers? Yeah. Like, let's shift into some more spoilery stuff because one of the bigger changes for the character was this,

this message from his parents, Bradley Cooper, is his dad, speaking in the Kryptonian language. And he's like, the robots in his, what's it called? The Big Crystal Place, he's like, The Fortress of Solitude. Little scene. Play it for him to keep him soothed or something. Yeah. And that's part of the plot. Of course,

we haven't even mentioned Luther yet. He kind of decodes the full version of the message and reveals that, oh, crap, I'm like Mark from Invincible. Like, I'm supposed to be a conqueror, I guess. So,

like, his whole world view is destroyed, which isn't normally what happens. Normally he's sent off from Krypton. It's like the last beacon of hope and you've got to, you know, basically the complete inverse of that. But I love that change.

I feel it gives him way more agency, my opinion, because then it shifts to... So that's unique to this film? I believe so, yeah. I don't think that's normally been a tenant of the character. Yeah, that he's like a conquering, scary alien. Yeah, so I was, in the back of my mind, I was wondering if, like, the footage was, like, doctored or something. Yeah, I question that too. Yeah, I guess.

But no, they just committed to it. Well, that was an issue they had to deal with in the screenplay, I think, because they say over and over in the movie. No, this is actually it. And Lex Luthor says, no, we thought we might doctor it, but no, this is actually the message, you know. So I think they were just really trying to communicate to the audience like, okay, I know we live in the world of deep fakes and everything,

but this is actually, just go with this. Yeah, true. Yeah, interesting choice. Do you guys, am I crazy? Yes. Or did the Superman, well, we know that, but did the Superman clone look and behave like cavil

in? now you say that's kind of funny because like his hair and everything I was like he's kind of like cavil right now yeah yeah sure that's a good interpretation I don't know if that was an intentional thing

maybe like a little jab but I mean to me what I liked about the movie also it didn't feel like just a reaction to the Snyderverse it wasn't like oh we just need to be like bright and happy now because that's like the opposite that's what the flash felt like when they were like oh shit

everything oh fuck fuck okay let's just make everything bright and super the a lot of a lot of stuff is happening and Batman is here it made it so much more demented so funny yeah it's meaming time oh my god yeah it was like okay well people he's Batman people like did you guys talk about the flash on here I forget I talked about it extensively on my channel and yeah I think we talked about it on the podcast yeah we did I yelled okay yeah I think I yelled yeah he's nailing it Oh, boy. I love all the concern people had about this movie over, like, the tiny little details of, like, oh, his eyes are red.

Why would his eyes be red? And after shooting, like, lasers out of his eyes. And then in the actual movie, it's because the evil Superman is shooting lasers into his eyes. So it's just, like, all the nitpicking over the trailers was so exhausting for months and months and months of people being like, well, this sucks because of this show. Look at this frame where his foot looks weird. It's like, can we wait until the movie is out to just, like, see how it? all clicks and comes together. Oh, man.

No, you can't. It's like a full on discourse movie. Oh, yeah. The Fox News stuff is like hilarious. Oh, yeah. It is about, it's so like modern and it is very much about like media and perceptions. And it's that could have gone really badly. Like that could have been handled very badly.

But because I think it's in this elevated style, like they have fucking the monkeys typing mean Superman. Yeah, yeah. That's funny. He's a professional rage band. It's awesome. Like, come on. Like, that's just so goofy and like, okay, I can go with this, you know, if we're going to be that silly with it.

And it's, yeah, it worked. Yeah. Fuck it. There was something I was going to say. What was it? Where were we just talking about? Um, clone, the Henry Cavill connection. Um, monkeys.

Somewhere in between the clone and the monkeys. Lex Luthor, Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper, dad, message. The Flash. Superman. living in the shadow well reinventing itself after Snyder but without just going too far

yeah whatever fuck it it's gone um the the whole you mentioned the clone the Superman clone the first I was kind of like I don't know I feel about that that's like one of the superhero tropes right that so many of them have done you know your logos or like a Black Panther where it's just like the same

guy basically just like in a CG mess like just smashing against each other like even the first like Iron Man did a similar thing where it's like, oh, now Iron Man fights baddie Iron Man. Yeah. But I think some of the tweaks to it, the way it's kind of Luther basically playing a video game through this like clone slave, that kind of added a funny element to it, especially in hindsight the more I've thought about it. It's quite, I don't know, it's quite a strangely plotted or paste movie.

And for my first watch, I guess I was like, like how much of this is set up for other movies, like how much of this is supposed to just be viewed in this one film as itself? Like, I don't really know what they're going for for this world. But maybe that flows better on a rewatch. I've heard it does from friends I've seen it a couple times. No, I think a lot of the script, I think the screenplay and people are underrating, like, how well plotted it is because it's so much information being thrown at you. But it works, you know, it doesn't feel like you're getting left behind.

And I think I personally enjoyed it because I was like, a lot of these superhero movies, I just get bored because I'm like, okay, we're doing the same beats. Okay. They're going to start calling themselves their hero name and they get the cape, blah, blah, blah. It's like this was like you're thrown into it. You're just immersed in the world. And that was really fun. And then the plot involving, you know, crypto and then him getting locked away and the whole Boravia conflict. Like it's, there's so much happening in this movie.

And that's why I'm so impressed because the screenplay could have been like an actual mess. Like it is, people say it is messy, but that's just because a lot of stuff is happening. But it could have been a genuine mess if all these threads didn't have like very specific setups and payoffs. Like I kept thinking after I watched the movie like, okay, maybe did we need that scene? Did we need that character? And then I'm like, oh, wait, no, they kind of paid that off, you know, later. That kind of worked. Like I had an issue with the Ultraman thing being like, do we really need like evil?

Superman fight scene in this, but I thought like, no, it actually kind of works with Lex's themes of him being like, you know, brains over Braun and like all he, like, of course he needs, the only way he can beat Superman at the beginning of the movie is to clone Superman, you know, and use his own strength against him, but using his own mind. And it, it works that Superman defeats Lex not through just pure strength, but through using his own brain and, you know, the help of his friends. So like, thematically, like all these things tied together and that's why I enjoy James Gunn movies because lots of screenplays just don't have the set up and payoffs. Just to like have a setup and a payoff. Really basic things that should be the standard. Basic themes. Yeah. Like character arcs, you know?

Like that's that he can do that. And it feels like an old fashioned thing now. Things that should be on the checklist. Yes. Basically. Yeah. Although I don't even think that's like specifically a superhero problem even. Like, I feel like almost a majority of movies.

Oh, yeah. Like subpar, especially like big blockcesters. I know. That's part of the problem is like you, for, for studios where the goal is to make money, you would think that those things would be on the checklist. Right? You would think that they would, they would have their shit together, right? Like a bit more.

They're supposed to be like a well-oiled machine. Instead, they're just a machine. Right. So it's just. I don't know. It's that, it's that tension of like, being so risk averse that they're scared to do anything interesting with a story. So they just get stuck.

Yeah. Where it's just like it has to be gray goo and it can't go too far out of these bounds, you know. Yeah. Did you guys see the new Jurassic world? No. Yeah, I did. Yeah, it's basically like the things we're complaining about. I remember what I was going to say.

Oh, what was it? I was going to say, I think that it is perfectly fair to, to criticize marketing material for things before they're released because they're putting those things out to be judged. However, the conversation was still very funny with people being like, how, what, how come they changed it so that the, what, who is he, the Green Lantern, the guy with the ring? Is that who he is? Yeah, Guy Gardner. That's the Green Lantern? Yeah.

Okay. How come they changed it so that he flicks his wrist and then things come out of the, ground. It's supposed to emanate from the ring itself. You know, like fucking thousands of retweets and shit. And then just somebody's like, actually, here's all the comic book panels where that happened that way. And you're wrong and you didn't

need the comics. So it's funny when those are the conversations. But like Twitter, it's just like we're talking about Twitter shit. It's like the worst fucking website. There's no real conversations on there because you can't have a conversation on that website. It's just about dunking on things and that's it. Like that's the

end goal. Like how do I how do I get the most attention dunking on something? I'll dunk on you. I'll dunk on this and that's it. That's the entire fucking website. So exhausting. I've become so much happier by now filling my main Twitter account with more furry shit. Just following furry account.

I'm like, wow, my timeline's so much better. It's just shit that I like. It's way less dramatic. Yeah. just kind of stopped using it as much. I've like carved out my usage as much as possible. I'm still addicted. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. Same here. But yeah. No, I started stopping using it as much. I mean, still use it a lot, but I use it less now after I just started getting random videos of actual people dying. Oh. Yeah. The goal stuff's crazy. It was just like, holy shit. And I'd have to block all

these things because it would just keep coming up. I'm like, I can't like this is fucked up. Like, So weird. Yeah, it's such a broken website. For some reason, I don't get those on my timeline. Every once in a while I'll see people being like, yo, watch out. There's this disturbing video on Twitter, and I just didn't even get it.

Follow more furry accounts. That's the moral. No, it's like, oh, here's a video of someone jumping off a building. It's like, what? Oh, cool. Elon responds with like emojis. Looking into this. Yeah, yeah.

100, dart, arrow. Yeah, you can really tell that like this movie was always going to be like a culturally relevant piece of media, not just with it being like the reboot of the universe, but also just like the Superman character. I think the best way to tell when something is like a culturally relevant thing that people are going to be discussing is when Ben Shapiro decides to review it. Like, that's a good way to tell. Because he'll just hop on anything that people are talking about.

Like, that's his goal. He doesn't actually care about movies. Really. It seems so, like, obvious in hindsight, too, because, like, Superman is America, you know? He's supposed to represent, like, the best parts about it. And, you know, America's going through some stuff right now. So, of course, it's going to be this lightning rod for these kinds of discussions. It toes a very delicate line. Yeah, there was a quote from the 70s one

Or Superman his motto is like I'm here to fight for truth justice and the American way I'm like oh interesting I mean like he is a political character yeah like people like to pretend he's not but he it's like baked into the cake And it's part of kind of what makes him cool yeah in my opinion So they keep keep politics out of my Superman crowd I guess won't like this yeah this was famously the first political Superman movie yeah but the way they kind of the priority is creating its own world first but using these inspirations you know there's a billionaire villain these like made up countries that are at war stuff like this he there are

allusions to real-life conflicts and things you can clearly oh that that's like a feeling for that or that or this or whatever But it doesn't seem like the priority of the film for that to be like the main focus. Even the fact that like Lex Luthor basically as part of his plan admits that like, yeah, that proxy war, I basically just made it happen in order to get to you. Like I'm so, I'm so insane. Yeah, I thought that was really funny and interesting. So did anybody watch any of like the Ben Shapiro crowd,

uh, Superman's Woke videos? Because I was planning on doing that before this recording and I forgot. Because maybe I just had better things to do. I watched a little bit. I was saving it. Yeah, saving it for later. What makes it work, Jake? Okay, so it's interesting because I watched a little bit of Ben Shapiro's video and I was

reading the comments. Ben Shapiro's crowd, by the way, like hates him now. Yeah. He's had like, I don't know what's going on, but like conservatives have turned against Ben Shapiro. But, no, basically in the video, he starts out being like, it's actually not that political. And it made me realize they're like, this is what they do. Like, this is the kind of reaction. If a movie's bombing and if people generally don't like it, well, it's because go broke.

If this movie had not done well, if it hadn't been well critically received and audiences enjoying it, then they would have been like, you know, it'd be a culture war object. But because it isn't, they have to kind of be like, actually, you guys are reading more politics into it than it's actually here. And it's like, not really. Like, it is very alluding to so many different things politically. And it's very, it has a lot of ideas in it. Like, if this was any other movie, if this was Snow White or something with these games, they'd be like, oh, my, like, it'd be a different story. So it's just, it goes to show how selective they are with their criticism, you know.

You can't go into judging the merits of a movie from your political lens, especially if you're just like a creature of Twitter being like, oh, this movie is aligning with my political views. So it's, yeah. So that's kind of what I was observing. So yeah, I don't know. I find that conversation to be so weird about this movie because my experience watching it, like, it wasn't, like, sure, like, it was reflective of real life things. Like, you could look at an idea or a character or a conflict in the film and be like, oh, that's kind of like this real life thing. But it wasn't like a preachy film. Like that, I would call something overly political.

It's like if the politics are taking the forefront and the story is in the background, like every other filmmaking element only exists to preach the message or agenda of the film, then yeah, I can understand that argument being like, oh, this is a very political movie or whatever. But like this movie really just did not feel like that at all. Yeah, I mean, I don't think James Gunn is like a super political film. I mean, that's why I think this movie has it tows such a delicate line. And it's so interesting because, like, it, yeah, you could look at the Baravia situation and be like, well, that could be Israel. That could be Russia.

You know, it's probably a mixture of both. But the iconography of what's happening is very reminiscent of Palestine. And it's very, very, like, loaded and very moving, especially when Superman is like, people were dying. Like, I'm just doing, I don't want people to die, you know, and that's kind of where people are today, you know. especially, it's just so cathartic, I think, a lot of people seeing that and seeing, like, okay, this country is doing bad and this country is being oppressed. And that's just so moving to people, I think. Even if it's just like an illusion or even in the iconography or the images, it's like,

wow, it feels shocking to see that in a blockbuster movie. And I think that's why a lot of people are enjoying that aspect. But again, it isn't like saying in your... your face, like anything. It's just like Superman wants good things to happen, you know? He wants people to live. Yeah. He cares about people.

So like it could like with this being like a fictional universe anyway, like it could literally just be any conflict. Like the dynamics shown in the film with like of the conflict that appeared in the film. It's not unique to Israel, Palestine. That's just the one that people are talking about right now. Right. Like it could be a multitude of different. Like if we're going to attribute it to like a one thing. That's just good storytelling though, right? Like look how like prescient Dune is to this day. When was that really? Like 60s or whatever? Like I feel like it's just a good way of summarizing humanity and the way we fight historically.

But there's other things outside of like the direct war. I mean like there's a point in a film where Superman's like no. He's not considered human and everyone's kind of scared of him. So they put him in a cage in like a pocket dimension. Yeah. There's all sorts you can like pull out as far as that kind of stuff. And that was like that whole outrage about James Gunn describing the character as an immigrant. Uh-oh. That upset everybody for some reason.

Yeah. I feel like that's not like a controversial take. That's just like in the text of the comics. I'm just like, I somebody should tell Mel Gibson, Gibson to rewrite. passion of the Christ because I don't like how they portrayed Jesus as an immigrant. Hmm. Wow. That's retweet. Quote tweet that. Yeah, it's obscene and bad faith. Like a lot of the counter narratives I guess about it, that kind of stuff. Like and that was before the film's even out, you know? That's yeah. Just insane. Yeah. No, I think the like the

politics in the movie are very smart and very like just portrayed very well in that there's nothing really controversial about it yeah you have to really try and search well yeah there's nothing really controversial but also it's like Superman doesn't turn to the camera and say free Palestine

but it's like you can absolutely see that you know you can see that message in the film so yeah I'm like I'm just I wonder what happened I think I understand what happened culturally because there was a shift in terms of like how conservative talking heads started talking about movies. Because way back in the day, not that long ago.

So like, you'd see the hunger games. The conversation wasn't, this movie is woke. The conversation was, oh, no, this is actually, I like this movie. And it's a story about how this is what the world would be like if liberals won. Like if this is what communism leads to or whatever, right? that's what they used to do. And they continue to do that with older texts like 1984 and animal farm, et cetera, et cetera. But they don't do that anymore, right?

Now instead they're going, oh, this is a liberal, this film has a liberal agenda and it's woke and bad because of it. I think it's just because that gets more clicks at this point. Because literally, if this movie came out like 20 years ago, they'd just be like, oh, no, this is the bad guys are the liberals. Right? the the what's his name Jeff Bezos in the movie

yeah he's a Lex Luthor Yeah exactly Yeah he's a Bill Gates or whatever Like that's what they used to do But now they're just Now they're conceding that there is like

A left leaning Perspective I guess in the film But it just We're obviously the bad guys Yeah yeah And that's why the movie's bad And Hollywood's bad And everything's bad

yeah well it's just the it's the footballification you know it's like it's not even like about left or right at a certain point it's just like there's two teams i got my team and i'm angry about the other team and you're just feeding me more information that the algorithm likes to make me more mad you know it's kind of as simple as that you know because what was it like 2016 i feel like that the female ghostbusters like really wokeusters kind of thing like on fire woke busters and just ever since then it's just been an ongoing like every year there's at least one if not multiple where uh it's just picked at like that when a lot of the time the answer is like it's just a bad movie like it's this really like a bad faith way of interpreting it i don't know if i'm crazy or not here but it does feel like this specific superman movie feels like a bit of a shift in the culture maybe i'm being too optimistic here but at least in the case of this movie i'm seeing like all of these typical talking points about oh well it's woke It has this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, it's being broken down by general audiences, normal people who just watch movies being like, no, that's good.

Like, we like Superman. He's a good dude. Like, it's a normie masterpiece. It's a normie masterpiece. Fuck it. Yeah. They're opium-pilled. They're opium-pilled.

And people are just like, can we shut up about this fucking shit? All right. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to see Superman punching Kaiji, okay? Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, there was some fun stuff in this movie. I enjoyed it. Don't feel the urge to return to it. Really? Six out of ten for me. It was good. I enjoyed it.

Very refreshing should be the standard for this budget. Yeah, I would, I think I'm quite a bit more positive, actually. It's probably a high seven, three and a half star to me, like talking about it. All the conversations I've had with people about this have made me like it, more, I think. We didn't mention, like, that Russian roulette scene, how, like, brutal that is for a movie. That's kind of as light-hearted as it is. Yeah, there's, like, the, like, James Gunn style and the needle drops and everything,

but there's some, like, great energetic camera work. It knows when to be campy. It knows when to balance that tone. I dig it. Yeah, I'd recommend. Nice. Adam, did you say you're really? I did.

It was a six. Oh, okay. I think the audio broke out for me right there. Six, wow. That's good. Okay. Impressive. That's good.

It's really, yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah, so I'm giving it eight out of ten. I will say, since we were very positive on this movie, and we talked very joyously about it, I will say that I did not love the sequence with the proton river. Yeah, agreed.

I loved that one. I loved it. Oh, really? Okay. I did. All right. I thought it was quite busy. visually busy. Yeah, exactly. It was like visually, this is a little too much. This is becoming

kind of an eyesore. Yeah, I completely agree. Conceptually on paper, I could imagine it being cool, but it was just a little too much CGI and like, all right, I'm losing track of what's going on here. But other than that, yeah, I really enjoyed basically every part of it. It could go up in my ratings. It's not likely to go down. And I actually would like to see it again. Yeah. I like the unique looking style of that scene. Yeah. little Minecraft block things and the color palette was really nice and I thought that like the energy you just like it because it reminded you of Minecraft I liked it because there was a baby in danger you're like a baby in danger Minecraft aesthetics hell yeah yeah I thought that like the energy and like

the music really worked well with that scene oh yeah the music we didn't even mention that John Murphy just keeping the And another guy whose name I forgot. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry, other dude. Your name isn't as memorable. Yeah, sorry.

So we all enjoyed it, and we all hope to return to an era of non-political Superman films where he goes to church and talks about the American way. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. All right. We also saw Final Destination Bloodlines, the newest. the newest movie that was a final destination movie

how did you feel about it it's fun I've seen all of these movies but I like don't really remember anything about them it really feels a similar spot in my mind to saw where like yeah I'll watch like the deaths on YouTube kind of but as far as like rewatching these again and again

it's not really what I'm going there for but I've still seen them all, going to watch them all. Yeah, I don't remember much about the other entries in the franchise, but this one felt different to me. It felt funny and playful and kind of self-aware in a way that really worked for me. I liked the, as the name suggests, the Bloodline's angle of it,

but I don't remember another one of the movies being about a family and the kind of twist and turns that that integrates into the plot here. And while it is funny and playful and so silly during these like rude Goldberg death machines that go down, I still feel tension in there. I like the feeling that the film's like messing with you. It's like playing with you. How are you going to get good? Yeah. I actually feel the tension in a bunch of these scenes.

I think it's kind of middle loaded. Like the best parts of the movie are kind of in the middle. I agree. And it doesn't really know how to conclude. But overall, I had a great time with the bloodlines. What about you, Jake? I have an interesting relationship to the franchise in that I have zero connection to any of these movies. Haven't seen any of them.

I didn't even know what the premise was. Why did you see that? For some reason. It was just like a huge blind spot for me. And this was getting good reviews. And I'm like, all right, why not check it out? And I was watching it. And I literally felt like just following and being amazed and excited by the story.

I was like, oh, shit, this is like, this is like Rube Goldberg machines. Like, this is, um, this is like if Michael Myers was just like, what if you tripped on your fucking face and, you know, landed on a pencil, you know, and it's like, it really hit with me too because obviously, you know, we have a little baby at home and he just wants to like crawl into the most like, you have to be hyper aware of every, sorry. Yeah. It's like every waking second is like, okay, what in this room can kill him? You know?

So it's like, I was like, damn, that was like really cathartic watching that happen on screen. I thought it was funny. I thought the story worked. I thought the set pieces were great. I didn't love the beginning set piece just because I was like, this is really goofy, like over-the-top CGI. But after that, I just like, I like the characters. I thought it was fun and dumb. And it just worked.

Yeah. I was really pleased with it. And I was like, damn, I want to check out these other movies now. I didn't realize these were so cool. Hmm. Yeah, it was like the, you know, watching the Rube Goldberg death machine. It's, it's very much like Adam Wingard's death note Netflix film. Please.

Yeah. This is one of the better final destination films. Okay. I still think it's terrible. So the highest rated ones I have for the franchise are four out of tens the first one and the second one. I think the second one's my favorite. Jake, if you're looking to keep watching more, definitely do number two.

And then yeah, number three I have is a three. And then the fourth one, the final destination I have is a two. And then final destination five is a three. so yeah none of them are great or even good movies to me like there are things within the films that I find entertaining there are concepts in the films that I enjoy and you know especially in the second movie it like I love the effects work and you know all I really want out of these films is just to see some fun deaths and I feel like I got two in this movie.

Spoilers. The, yeah, the MRI death was fucking awesome. I loved that. Yeah, that one's great. That's really funny stuff. That was a good one. Great comedy. That was like the perfect blend.

Like that, that was a great tone too. His whole character was great. I loved him. Yeah, he was fun. He was like standout character. Yeah. Yeah, he was my favorite. Yeah, I don't really remember caring about the characters

in the previous movies, but yeah, the Richard Harmon dude, he was like the heart of it to me. Yeah. So when he's taken out, there is like, oh, man, he's not staying to the end because the lead to are just not as interesting as, especially him and his brother who's allergic to the peanuts. Yeah. That's like a really fun dynamic. That whole family dynamic there is, is cool with him, be like, the twist with him being like an illegitimate child and stuff like that. And that's why he skipped and the whole fake out with the tattoo parlour. Illigitimate?

That's what you call it. an adopted person is an illegitimate child, Alex? Was he adopted? I thought like his mom cheated. Oh, yeah, he was a bastard. Yeah, that's what I thought. He was a bastard. I forgot.

Make me sweat. Cancel. He was a no good, dirty bastard. That's what. There was a moment in the movie where I was the only one in my theater laughing hysterically, and that's when they were like trying to figure out how to break the cycle and they're in the hospital, and they see like this little ward with all of the newborn babies. And they're just like, they have a moment where they're looking.

And they're just like, no, no, we couldn't. We couldn't. No, no. It was a really good guy. That would have bumped it up a point for me. That's where I went. I just thought about it. So I was thinking like, okay, if this, if these rules are set up in this universe, you gain

the leftover life of anyone you kill, is that only for people that were supposed to die in a mass casualty event and death's mad at them for a bit? Or is that for everyone? Because like, if it's for everyone, you know, fucking abortion doctors, they're like spawn killing. They're invincible, right? So like, they're untouchable. You could just, serial killers, they'll live forever.

Well, when you put it like that. Yeah. Yeah, I wish they explored that further because that was a funny idea to bring. up. But yeah, one of my biggest problems with this film, these films is just like, I know, I know that this might not be as grading to you, Jake, because this is your first of these, but as somebody that has watched all of them multiple times for some reason, I just, I wish they would just skip out on the fucking lore. That's something that I really appreciated about the new Superman is that they didn't do the whole origin story. It was a

just like, okay, here's a few titles. Here's Superman. He's already beat up or whatever. You've seen this before. Let's go on, right? And that's a reboot, whereas this is like a part of the entire timeline, allegedly, right? Like, this is, this is a part of the franchise

not really considered a reboot, I don't think. But it's still insisting on just like spending over half the movie of just like explaining shit and then having other characters be like, oh, it's not really happening and then someone dies in the way that the premonition character said and then they're like, oh, now we're convinced, what do we do? Oh, can we do this? This doesn't work? Oh, we thought

this would work and then it didn't. I'm just like, I'm just so much more interested in the Rube Goldberg machine deaths, especially if they're done well, right? I was thinking it would be cool to have like a final destination

concept type film but have it be an anthology movie and it's just like, you know, five or more different like 15, 20 minute shorts from different directors. And the concept is just here's all these different environments where there could potentially be a mass casualty event. You still have the fun deaths. You still have like the, ooh, is this going to happen? It's, you know, cringe moments or gore. You'd still have all of those things that like are the hallmark, the trademarks of this franchise. But then you don't have to waste time on this dumb fucking lore. And then maybe you can characterize.

to characterize people a bit better, you know, show some more of a variety of dynamics. Like, it's just, I don't know. That's why you aren't the head of production at Warner Brothers Studios, because anthology movies famously don't make any money. And I think this movie made it, this movie made a ton of money. This, like, really overperformed. And I think, like, that's so funny hearing your perspective, because to me, what was so great about it, yeah, I was like, oh, this is interesting lore.

I didn't know this movie was like this. And I heard people say that it kind of had a twist on the typical mythology, but I was watching it going, is this new? Is this new? Is this a normal part of the series? So I don't know. Maybe you guys can explain to me like what was new or interesting about this. Maybe it isn't. I mean, I just, to me, it was all fun and new.

Yeah, I'm going to need Adam to catch up my memory. Because the whole kind of grandmother character from the opening, who's gone into this like, parent. annoyed bunker that she's like built to which is like cartoonish and funny right it's so stupid but she's like put together this like huge book with like all the rules in it and stuff like yeah getting it some pathos but uh has there been a different character in a previous movie that has figured out the rules to that degree yeah put it in writing uh i don't remember if they put it in writing but the care i believe in final destination too the surviving character from the first movie? I might be confusing which movies, but like there's a character that survived from a

previous film and then it turns out that they just like stayed in a padded room like in a mental like psych ward or something and that's how they survived is because they're literally in a padded room, which makes a lot more sense than just grandma and Tony Todd's insisting over and over again throughout the film that they've built a fortified cabin. And I don't understand how it's fortified because you look at it and it's just like oh there's a bunch of scrap metal outside like is that to protect from like bears that death sends your way not sure like that seems like more of a hazard than anything that seems like more more things that could kill you and then and then when the fucking daughter character shows up anyway like within a minute fucking like there there's there's

like a lamp that's a that is about to because of something that's being magnified it's about to burn down her curtain. And then she looks over, she's like, not today death and throws like a fucking tomato soup can at it. And it's like, okay, well, it's not really that fortified. If you're having to constantly be on guard and just being like, not today, death, and throwing shit at lamps in your household, you still have electricity, right?

Like, it doesn't make any fucking sense how she has survived for like 50 years doing this shit. What, like, does she sleep? If she, if she's having to do that all the time? Like, fuck off. It doesn't make any sense. I kind of bought into the paranoia. I like the set design of it, but I do agree it's like really, really goofy.

It makes no sense. That location. They just insist it's fortified. They just keep saying it. But I do like the jumping off point to me that makes that work is the kind of hereditary angle and the dynamics that do come from that way. Like, there's the mother character who to me was kind of like strangely sympathetic because her mom was the grandmother who's kind of like lost her mind over these premonitions. that she's had. So it gave it kind of a little bit of texture with the family dynamic of like the mum that's run away and she's come back. Like it just felt like way more going on than some of

these previous movies. I really felt like it was held together by that. Yeah. Hereditary family angle to it with the set pieces linking it, just keeping it a solid horror comedy throughout. So is that the difference is that it's like the literal bloodlines of like, oh, this is a hereditary thing. Usually the big disaster set piece starts and then it's just, immediate they're all trying to escape death, whereas this is like delayed. In the other films, so according to the lore, death is like very OCD and he likes to kill people in order. So whichever order that they died in the premonition, that's how you know who's coming next, right?

But in this film, the concept is, but what if somebody who escaped death in one of those premonitions had a baby and they had a whole family then because they would have died back then they're not supposed to be alive so death has to kill them too but he can't do it okay like that he can't just kill them because it has to be in order and death is very very obsessive compulsive okay it has to be in this exact way otherwise he gets really upset so um yeah that's the concept is like the babies weren't supposed to be alive So they should die too. So it's kind of a twist, but basically the same thing, just a little different.

Basically the same thing, yeah. And I think the addition of the concept of killing someone else to take their remaining lifespan is also new to this film, I believe, but I'm not sure. And I wish they did more with that because that's a funny concept. Yeah, it is. Maybe they'll do more in a sequel if they do one. The Tony Todd character that you mentioned, was he, I remember him being in the other movies, but was he kind of like an exposition? Yes. So.

Delivery dude? Yeah, he, he, like, knew what was going on. He played a guy that worked, like, in a, what's the name of the thing called? He cremates bodies. And so other characters in the other films would be like, they'd meet him for some reason. and he'd know a lot about these things and just kind of be like, oh,

death is coming for you. Here's how he works. And there would be no explanation as to why he knows these things. But now this film's like, this is why. It's because he fortified with grandma. I give him a backstory. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, he was good in it. Yeah, I went with the whimsy of it. I mean, I feel like, yeah, like you're nitpicking certain lore things.

I guess because it was all new to me, it was just kind of washing over. And I was like, oh, kind of cute and whimsical, not cute, but, you know, like, whimsical and stupid and, like, funny. Like, it's just a funny thing. And I, I didn't have too many hangups on, like, what was happening lore-wise or logically,

yeah. It's not even so much that the lore doesn't make sense. Like, I can handle a movie that's nonsensical, right? Those can be fun. It's that they spend so much fucking time on it, just saying shit that's like, okay, now you're doing this. It's a part of the routine of the franchise that I've already seen before. It's not shot in an interesting way, right?

Like, it's not like coming from that interesting of an angle throughout. Like, sure, there are unique things to this film like the family dynamic and like the character who we mentioned earlier the tattoo guy or whatever. Like, there are fun things about this film, but they don't take up a significant amount of the runtime. We're talking about like a quarter of the movie and I enjoyed a quarter of the movie, right? But like as you mentioned with like the the opening intro like I'm watching that that initial death scene just thinking like, okay, is it too much to ask for any shot to not look like ass? Like it was it was disgusting like every single shot in that intro was like ugly as fuck like the terrible looking CG environments and like. Like, no motivated filmmaking really. Like, sure, the camera is technically showing what it's supposed to show because the script says show this.

So the audience knows that that's happening. That's what they're filming it technically. But it's not motivated. It's not like artistic. Right? Like, and I'm just, I'm starved for something more. And when I look at like what this franchise could be like, sure, ignore the, the anthology concept. Even if we didn't do that.

there's nothing about this genre or series that says that we shouldn't have motivated filmmaking or nice looking shots or better performances right like the the things that I care about in movies I'm like damn I wish that was in here so it's just kind of frustrating especially when just you know so much of the runtime is me just like waiting for the next death like please Jesus Christ and then when the deaths aren't even that cool or interesting it's just like oh they exploded in a CG pile of goo. Like, that's most of them. Like, okay, it's not even interesting.

Fuck, it's just frustrating. I like the second movie. It's much more interesting in that sense. I definitely, I'll caveat saying that I guess the screen I saw on wasn't the best quality, I guess. It had kind of like an older bulb, so it just wasn't pulled out from the production. Maybe I'll have to rewatch and see if that hits differently. But I definitely felt like a,

an intention or to the to the filmmaking like i i felt like it was super self-aware and was playing with the audience and was like a playful kind of tone with like the way the camera's moving all these crazy dutch angles it was like energized it felt like it loved the franchise it loved the goofiness and knew exactly what it is um yeah i just did not feel that way and i i don't know like the the the big scenes of like tension for me i i feel like were sprinkled pretty well throughout the movie. Like, sure, the CG stuff in the openings a bit much. But the garbage crush is crazy.

I love the whole, like, trampoline and the glass and everything. I love how long elongated, like, the build of tension is there. I thought that was really effective. And then you go to the hospital scene. All of that was, like, really good to me. It's just more, the way it concludes is flat. That's for sure compared to all the previous stuff. That's probably the biggest thing I have against the movie is the when it goes back to that crazy fault as a bit of a deflation and anti-climax.

It feels like they need something else going on there. Yeah. Here's another factor that might be causing the discrepancies in our ratings is I fucking hate the music and how it's used. It's just it. The needle drops and the. Yeah. Like not not. Well, I mean, that.

too. I found that kind of fun. That to me was indicating the goofy tone. They do those in every single one of the movies already. Like the, oh, the song has lyrics that are kind of foreboding and making you think about the different ways that they might die sort of thing, right? Like, that's happened in every single one of these movies. It happened four times in the first 13 minutes where I'm like, dude, this is overkill.

Like, come on. We know it. Like, it was just irritating. But what I was talking about was like the actual score where, you know, I would like to experience this movie that you guys are talking about where it's, you know, for a while I did in the middle where it's taking itself less seriously. But, you know, especially in the opening scene and throughout most of the film, the music is insisting a very serious tone. And it's just, it's so cheesy in a not self-aware way to me. And I wish that there was either different music or maybe even no music in a lot of these scenes. I feel like it was really robbing me of the ability to experience the fun aspects of what it was showing.

It was just so irritating. I hated music. Yeah, that didn't really stand out to me. But it kind of like this whole franchise is kind of cheesy to me So the kind of like the cheesy campy factor of it Because it's so like goofy and stupid I wish that I could view the music or listen to the music in a way Where it was like satirical even

You know Where it was like oh this is like a commentary on how bad it is But it just nah It's pretty much there for me Like I find it like funny like it was consistently funny to me I'm glad you got that experience out of it. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm wondering if like some of your complaints, Adam could also be levied just at the studio horror films in general, you know, of like,

like the shots aren't super artistic or super interesting. It's just very, it's kind of, it's like competently made. And I think that there are some standout sequences that make it work. And it's kind of a crowd pleaser. in a Normie masterpiece kind of way. Although I wouldn't even call it a masterpiece. I just think it's resonating with general audiences in a way. A normie thumbs up.

Yeah, in a way, these movies probably don't usually. So maybe that's why, yeah, I mean, I think that's why it worked for me because it was just kind of like a good entry point. And maybe that makes it more generic. But at least for what it is, I was like just pleasantly surprised. It is better than I think a lot of other studio horror movies, at least that came out this year. Sure. Yeah, definitely.

And like I said, this is one of the better final destinations even. I just, the whole franchise is just not great for me. And I continue to watch them. I don't know why. Yeah, I've seen one. I barely remember anything, just the old death. But I saw a bunch of people saying about the, like, fan servicey stuff in here, which I didn't really catch. I guess outside of the log death at the end.

Yeah. Did you feel that at all, Adam? Yeah. Any memberberry stuff? Yeah, well, I mean, it wasn't just the log death at the end. There was like a quick shot of like a log truck, I believe, at one point in the film, just being like, ooh, do you remember Final Day's Fusion? Do you?

And also like the character that we've been saying was a good character. I keep forgetting his name. That one character, like his inclusion, Eric, I'm looking on IMDB, his inclusion. did seem like kind of a response in terms of like, you know, how people have been talking about like how they wish some characters would act. Like his comedic presence was kind of like he was with the audience in a way, just like a tongue and cheap. Yeah, he made the movie for me.

Yeah, yeah, he was great. He was the best character before. Mm-hmm. I have an idea for the next final destination. It should be set in like the medieval times. And, you know, all the characters, when they're trying to escape just like these mouse trap things, they all just die of the plague. It's like five minutes long. They should do a final destination set in a submarine, a tiny submarine trying to explore the Titanic wreckage.

That should be the last sequence in the movie. That would be a fun Rube Goldberg machine. Some kid inside is like flicking pennies at the Xbox controller. Not bad, not bad. I could be fun. Yeah. Yeah, I would like this movie a lot more if every death was satisfying, but instead it was two deaths that were satisfying.

Okay. The payoffs are just not great. Yeah, I guess that's where I disagree. I just, I felt more of a consistency to it. And yeah, I mean, it's not reinventing the wheel. It's not a, I mean, it's what, like 14 years since the last one. I can barely remember the old ones. I just thought this is what this kind of movie should be.

Maybe you could, yeah, clean up some of the CG, clean up some of the other stuff. But I don't know like that. That garbage crush was like, fuck. Yeah, it was horrifying. That was fun. I feel like it knew what it wanted to be in and achieved what its goals were. I don't think it was like trying to be anything that it wasn't. Yeah.

Sure. I'm giving it a seven out of ten. Nice. Yeah, it'd be like a smidge, like a low seven. I might go down if I watch it like on my projector and see maybe some of the floors you guys were talking about. I didn't spot in my original viewing. But I really like this. Yeah.

Three out of ten. My second highest rating for any final destination film. So it's one of the best. All right, cool. All right. Nice one. Alex, you recommended... Is it time for my recommendation?

Oh, one second, one second. Real quick. I wanted to ask you guys, are we going to mention Jurassic World at all? Because I don't know if we have time, but I take it. No. Okay. I knew I don't would have, but I did see it. My weakness is dinosaurs, I'm afraid.

Even though I knew it probably wasn't going to be my cup of tea. Depends how long you want to talk about it or whatever, I guess. Yeah. I don't know, do we have five minutes? Maybe just, I'm curious to hear what you have to say, Alex, because I saw your rating on letterboxed, and I'm kind of curious what your takeaway was. Yeah. I was mostly intrigued by what Gareth Edwards would.

bring honestly as director but it just felt like so rushed to me any good idea um it just wouldn't indulge in and when it started going into like member berry stuff uh that to me was like really this is the alien romulus of drastic well done so you know most people like a chilling with it they like it but for me it's that's mean to Jurassic to alien romulus I don't know, man. Like, it felt kind of similar to me where, like, in the first act, there were these kind of interesting ideas. It's like a, the apathy towards the dinosaurs and they're like in New York, I guess, like,

just getting loose. So that's kind of a fun concept. But then it, like, just turns to this video game expedition and you've got to have, like, the kids in there and you've got to have these, like, teleporting dinosaurs, basically. And then you get, like, a rancor T-Rex at the end. And it's like, and this is so stupid. I feel like there's such an enormous potential for kind of more intense, horrory film with dinosaurs.

They're scary. They are a horrifying idea. And like, we saw that in the original 93 movie, but I feel like it's just been living in the footsteps of that and it just can't escape it. You know, it's got like Alexander Desplat doing the score. And he's just doing like a John Williams impression the whole time. And he can't do his own thing. And it's like one little moment in that action scene on the boat where he's able to put a bit of, oh, I can tell that's him. That's like his personality in there. That's cool.

Like if there's more of this, then maybe I'll be with that. It just, it's creatively bankrupt, you know, because all it needs to be on a base level is big CG dinosaurs in a jungle and everyone will go see it. So yeah. Not a fan. Yeah, I mean, I saw a take on life. I forget who said this, but it was basically like, Dramed. Park was interesting because it was dinosaurs and theme park. Once you kind of are done as the theme park, then it's, I think Jenny Nicholson actually said this on Twitter recently. And I was like, that's so true.

Like when it's just dinosaurs in the jungle, it takes a lot away from like the novelty and the fun of it. Yeah, this movie was not great. It's very bland and generic. I genuinely don't think Gareth Edwards knows how to shoot like dialogue scenes. Like the beginning of this movie, I was like, what has happened? There's one exposition scene between Scarlett Johansson and Marcia Ali on a boat. And I was like, my jaw was like on the floor.

I was like, what is happening? This is some of the worst dialogue. It's like, well, you know, I was divorced, you know, and my kid died. Oh, really? My friend died this way. Yeah. Basically, any character who didn't have some traumatic thing happened in their past, you knew they were going to get eaten by a dinosaur.

Yeah, it was so obvious. Like David, however much they paid David Kep for the screenplay, and I don't know how many fucking ghost writers came in to work on this too. Yeah, I felt like, I'm like, come on, man. Yeah, I'm like, come on. There's no way. Like, I was disappointed. I mean, David Kep wrote those recent movies we liked with Soderberg. Right.

Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know what happened with this. But I will say, regardless of that and the shitty, shitty script, I had fun. I think like the actual set piece moments were pretty good. And I think it's probably the best-looking Jurassic Park movie since the original. Like it was shot on film, it looks like dynamite. It looks fucking great, except for all the random-ass product placement. I mean, the movie starts with a Snickers bar.

The whole plot happens because a Snickers rapper gets caught in a door. And the whole, the entire infrastructure breaks down because of the stickers. Very funny and bad. But yeah, I still enjoyed it because I thought the set pieces were fun. Yeah, I can see that. I'm just like, I like in the original how the main character is like a paleontologist and the villain's kind of like a greedy businessman park manager guy. It's like they have the paleontologist in here, but I really feel like he should have

been the main character or something. He's not some of the only good dialogue. He's just like hot nerd It's like his whole thing Yeah super boring characters I just want them to feel like animals Instead of these big like genetic monsters Like I don't know

It's not what I'm looking for from this This type of maybe Not great but it's probably going to make a billion So yay we're going to get more Is it going to make a billion? It's going to make a lot They're going to be happy with it I reckon

It's at 500 million right now Oh, it's already at 500. Wow. Yeah, it's been out like a month. I do think it's going to drop off with, yeah, Superman and then Fantastic Four. It'll struggle, but, yeah. Blas, it came out July 6th, and we're recording on the 15th. That's pretty nuts.

It's probably going to have summer legs, too. So globally, everyone wants to see these, like, big birds. Well, interestingly, I saw some stats that Jurassic World is doing really well in China and what is not doing well is Superman. Yeah. there was a black person in it also the whole world hates the United States right now and Superman is like Mr. America so

yeah yeah the real Captain America yeah I gave it like a one and a half Stella one and a half okay I think I gave it too high of a score I might change it but I give it a six out of ten after the theater yeah yeah I just I had fun. Like, it literally maybe was just... Maybe my weakness is dinosaurs.

Fuck, I don't know. Mine definitely is. I think more people lean towards you than me. I'm quite harsh on it, but I'm so just, like, nostalgicied out with this stuff. I was just happy Chris Pratt wasn't there? I was like,

something different. From the trailer, it didn't look like Scarlett Johansson was even trying for a moment. No. And apparently she was the one that really wanted to be in it. Oh.

according to her according to her yeah according to her bank account and now she's the number one highest grossing actor in the world I believe she's the grossest actor might have something to do with it

she well I mean I wouldn't be that rude but that's what people are saying no okay all right are we moving forward to yes recommendation right it's my rec

I don't know this is interesting It's kind of like a half spite, half love wreck. It's getting emotionally complicated now. Oh, love. So, yeah, we're talking about Mel Brooks's Space Balls, 1987. We normally kind of set the conversation up with a plot synopsis, but it's a parody of Star Wars. Yes.

I'm kind of more interested in starting this conversation around, like, what's happened to parody movies? When was the last good one? What happened to any studio comedies? I mean... Yeah, yeah, true. Just comedies, like, in general. Real life is just a parody now, so...

Yeah, yeah, I guess South Park kind of came into that problem, right? Like, they should tweak that. Like, satirizing, it's just tough. You can tweet it if you want. You can take it from me. Real life is a parody. Yeah. Adam, YMS, two gate a lift. Mm-hmm.

All right. You don't even have to quote me. You can pretend you came up with it. I couldn't. I would be too ashamed. I can't steal your intellectual property. It's too cool. It's just such a prescient quote.

Actually, this is a little off topic, but naked gun is going to be here soon, and that's kind of like trying to retort the big studio. Seth McFarlane is one of the few trying to do that. Are you excited for it? Not really. I mean, it seems like it might be good. It doesn't look promising to me. I like the OJ joke in the trailers.

The OJ joke is funny. That is good, but I don't know about the rest of it. Because it's like Seth MacFarlane produced, right? And he tried to do the like Western parody, and then which is down in the West, which is painful. Yeah, I feel like all the like recent attempts just don't work out. Ever since it was just rinsed to the extreme with the, you know, your disaster movies and all of those movie movies with a movie at the end of the title.

Um, but it's weird because like this is one of those osmosis kind of movies where like even though I hadn't seen this before. Have you guys seen this? I know you have Jake, I think. Oh yeah, I grew up on this. I mean, it was as precious to me as Star Wars itself. Yeah, I watched it a lot. But it's been a while since I've seen it.

So. I honestly could not tell you if I've seen it or not. But I'm sure when watching it, there were myriad scenes where you're like, oh, I've seen this. Yeah. Well, because the fucking combing through the desert scene has been posted on Reddit a thousand times. So I don't really know. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not really sure, actually. Yeah, because I'd definitely seen like the John Hurt alien gag and, yeah, the combing the desert stuff. But there's still plenty of times it was kind of catching me off going to make me laugh. Maybe my favorite joke was the opening shot. Like, that actually got me. Just the enormous, like, miniature that wouldn't stop sculling. I know, that was so good.

Yeah, it starts off really strong. That was good to me. I like the score at that during that part. The laser sounds. Oh, yeah, that too. Sorry, I was thinking of the one with the ship. Oh, yeah, sounds like jaws. But yeah, also the pew-poo-poo was funny.

That was funny. And you're going straight from my heart if you're showing me miniatures. I know. True. And apparently, like, it's one of the, it's one of the cool things about George Lucas, where he just was always chill with parodies and stuff like that to do with his work. His only condition was, like, don't sell merch based on this movie. And then you can just do whatever.

He even had the ILM help out with a bunch of the production of the movie. Like, even using unused shots from, like, a new hope in certain scenes and giving that kind of authentic feel. I don't know. That helped the humor is, as far as context of when it was released, It was released for four or five years after Return of the Jedi. So it's kind of not just the parody of New Hope. It's sprinkling in all the kind of stuff you'd expect. And I was going into this a bit like, man, has there been a franchise of movies that has been parodied or joked about as much as Star Wars?

No. Even though I hadn't seen Spaceballs, all of like early YouTube, early internet culture, it's just like Star Wars jokes and Star Wars animations and Star Wars parodies and gifts. Yeah, exactly. You know, like Star Wars gangster rap, but not this kind of shit. So it's like, what angle are they going to take? What can they bring to make this funny to me?

And it didn't fully succeed, but I felt like the cast kind of propped up and carried a lot of the, like, silliness. I was just loving the silliness. I truly just silly. John Candy and Rick Moranis especially, I think my favorite part, and Mel Brooks, too.

Yeah, Rick did a great job. Yeah, he carries it. And I'm also not normally into like a slapsticky kind of humor. Some of it was like funny to me, especially anything involving Rick Moranis. He's a treasure, that's for sure. And yeah, the whole idea of the reason I recommended it in part was they want somebody wants to make a sequel to this somehow. Yeah, of course. Decades and decades and decades later.

because I guess Spaceballs is now an IP that can be found or there's potential money to be made there. I just don't know how you're going to be able to make those jokes. Like what materials even left? Well,

member burying space balls? Here's the thing. And I have so many thoughts about them potentially doing a sequel. But I feel like what makes the original space balls work so well is that it looks actually good. Like the effects are good.

Like they're using these miniatures. Like all it holds up pretty well like it looks like a genuine movie like and if they're going to do space balls too but cheap out on the budgets like this half if they do space balls too it's got to be the force awakens right it's got to be like you know all of that making fun of all that like there's so I think there's a ton of material they can do you know with like the sequels and all that and like the legacy sequel kind of bullshit that could be really fun and clever like I don't doubt there is material for it but I feel like man. Unless you really commit and you get some really talented people to like put quality in there and get like, like this movie has John Candy like this and Bill Pullman. Like it's there's real quality in here. And I don't know if there's any studio or anything that's going to be like, all right, let's do this. Like did you see that I know they did History of the World Part 2 recently. And I didn't even watch it. I didn't hear any like reviews or anything about it because I know it was just kind of like tossed off on a streaming service.

Like if you're going to do it, you got to really commit. if you want it to look good. So I'm very doubtful of it, if it's going to work at all. Yeah. Yeah, because the meta-humor is something I quite enjoyed. It didn't feel like their,

that's a, bad-poly way of doing it, because they mentioned the sequel in this film, which is quite funny, that space was to the search for more money. Yeah. And there is, like, a funny, they're describing the prospect of this sequel

as a non-prequel, non-reboot sequel part two, but with reboot elements, franchise expansion film. Yeah. What the fun. Yeah, like it's the silliness. It's leaning into the absurd nature of it.

Yeah. It's just kind of like childish and playful. It's, I don't know, I don't think it really has anything on a blazing saddles. No. A young Frankenstein. Even though I haven't seen that yet somehow. But the clips I've seen from it are funnier than this way. I've re-watched it the other day.

That's really funny, man. Like, consistently funny. Yeah, that seems up my alley. Some of my pet peeves is the, like, the reference humor stuff. Hey, it works in Star Trek. You know. Yeah. It's just kind of on the nose to a degree where it's like the joke is like the reference.

Even though that Star Trek scene does have a good punchline. Like, just wasting all this time and it not working. Yeah. I don't know what he's talking about this huge. And then I'm just like walking through. And it's literally like a 10 second walk into an extra room. That was kind of funny to me. Yeah.

There are good bits like in this movie, like really fun stuff. But seeing it without the sheen of childhood because like I used to watch this and be like excited by the story and like, oh, this is just like a fun movie like Star Wars boat. Like goofier. And now watching it, I'm like, oh man, there's a lot of like just like nothing happening at times. and a lot of gags that are like, and this is how I feel about... They're just throwing a lot out there. This is how I feel about a lot of Mel Brooks movies that don't work,

is that he's, like, he'll commit to a bit really hard in a movie. And if it doesn't work, he'll just, like, linger on it and linger on it. And it'll just be like, no, we're doing this really lame bit where his butt is turned around. It's like, no, we're going to do this. Like, I think what I love... It almost feels like slow. Like where are, where are more jokes? Where are the more like, kind of like airplane-esque like Zucker Brothers kind of like humor?

Like it needs just a little bit more for it. And I feel like he reached the perfect balance of like having a really engaging movie that like with young Frankenstein. To me, young Frankenstein's his best movie. And I think part of why that movie works so well is because Gene Wilder was there like, working on the script being like, no, no, no, no, let's like tone it down a little bit and make this like a genuine homage to these classic films and bring some of that heart into it with also the silliness. But yeah, watching spaceballs, it feels like later Mel Brooks movies, like Spaceballs like what was the Robin Hood, Mennonites, like just parodying it feels like not enough.

Like we need a little bit more here or build up on the silliness and add like way more bits and like random shit. I mean, maybe this is also coming from a modern, from a fucking TikTok generation of like, why isn't there more jokes? But something that really intrigued me, you know, because we were talking about how Star Wars has been parodied and made fun of a million times over is that I read Roger Ebert's original review of spaceballs from 1987. He gave it two and a half stars out of four, by the way. And he basically complains in the review, why is Mel Brooks making a parody of Star Wars now? Isn't it way too late to do that? He's like... No, the trilogy was over.

Yeah, like, why are we doing... He's like, this has been beaten to death already. Why is Mel Brooks making just a straight parody of Star Wars? And he was basically like, like, here's a line at the end of it. maybe the reason space balls isn't better is that he was deliberately aiming low, going for the no-brainer satire. What does he really think about Star Wars or anything else for that matter? And I think that kind of sums up my feelings about this movie is like, oh yeah, it is intermittently funny.

There's some great characters and iconic bits. But at the end of it, I'm like, all right, what was the point of that? Like, yeah, Star Wars is silly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, I agree, like, not only should it have more gags, but like, I think the biggest problem is just the gags aren't that strong. Like, maybe at the same frequency, if all of them were, like, really solid, then it would work for me, but just so many of them fell flat. And just in terms of, like, not just how they're written, but how they're presented, like, how they're filmed and edited.

So there was the gag, like, take only what you need to survive. And, you know, anyone who's ever seen any movie or anything kind of knows what the upcoming visual gag will be. Like, clearly she's going to take too much. But then as instead of just, you know, cutting to the gag or having the setup for the gag being closer to the reveal, you're kind of just like watching them walk over the desert for like 20 seconds, finally getting over the dunes so that you can see. oh she did in fact bring a lot but it's like okay I'm you're just kind of waiting for a reveal that you already know is happening and isn't really funny you know and so it's just kind of like frustrating in some parts it's a lot of winking at the camera literally looking into the camera

and going like do you get this you get it yeah I think you hit the nail on the head with the kind of you don't get an idea of what he feels about these movies because a lot of the best parodies I feel have like a reverence or some kind of deep understanding that only like a nerdy, dorky person who like loves it is able to poke fun at it in that way. Like we mentioned Seth MacFarlane fucking up the million ways to die in the West, but like those family guys, Star Wars parodies that Wednesday straight the DVD in like the mid 2000s are actually pretty funny. And you could like tell he like really loves it at his core, but was poking at the dumb stupid stuff about it or like the Cornetto trilogy, you know? Like they're all parodying these genre films, but they deeply love it. just know the angles to take to like what's a product but also making like its own original characters its own plot you know its own energy yeah whereas yeah this did feel lazy you know like

ending on a planet of the apes joke and shit like that is kind of lowbrow just um reference stuff which i don't dig yeah and very very like obvious gags like not really original is part of the part of the biggest problem with it a lot of these gags just feel like oh yeah i've seen this do you know what I think it is it's that Melbrook Melbrook's first off he's still alive I mean God he's almost him he's a million years old he's over a hundred he's so old yeah and even in 1987 he's like an old man like he came from like the old days of you know television and Sid Caesar and like you can tell like he's making a movie about Star Wars and that wasn't his thing he didn't grow up on Star Wars you know he was like an adult when that came out

you know, making movies at the same time as Star Wars was being made. So it's kind of like, yeah, he doesn't have that reverence that like Seth MacFarlane does when he does Star Wars parodies. He doesn't, he isn't attached to all these tiny little minutiae and can really parody it from a place of love and affection. It does feel like, man, Yoda, isn't that weird? Like, what if he's like yogurt, let's just call him yogurt. And it's like...

Yeah, what if his name is yogurt? Yeah, and it's like some of the bits in it are good because I think, Mel Brooks is just a funny guy and he can come up with good gags. Like, I love, like, some of my favorite stuff is the self-aware, like, they're watching the movie itself in the movie. Like, to me, I hadn't seen anything like that before as a kid. I'm like, this is so fucking, like, wild. They're talking about the movie in the movie. Like, I love all that stuff.

But that's kind of outside of it being a Star Wars parody. All the stuff I love most about it has nothing to do with Star Wars. Yeah. They should have named him B. Han Solo. so god uh-huh yeah man that really i was going to say something

it threw me sorry i do that sometimes what were you going to say what was I going to say yeah i uh there I thought that some of the gags

were like charming and cute and fun like the movie within a movie thing and just the the practicality of how it's literally just a live feed on the back, but, you know, it's a good excuse in terms of, like, what it's claiming to be narratively. Like, it's a fun, it's a fun visual to experience.

Yeah, that might be the best joke in the film. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. Yeah, I feel like Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein are covering genres that Mel Brooks truly loves and grew up with, you know, classic westerns and, you know, horror pictures, you know, and it's like a place of real affection and care, but this is kind of like, looking down on it a little bit, like, oh, this is dumb. And what I love, my favorite sequence in the movie is like the almost the end, right before the wedding sequence, which is kind of boring.

But when the whole thing blows up and, you know, Rick Moranis and Mel Brooks and the other guy are like, oh, my God, we need to get the self-destruct. And, you know, just like everyone getting the escape pods and the bear is there and like all, you know, the bearded lady. And like, it's just so stupid and throwing everything on it. I'm like, this zany energy, I needed more of that earlier in the movie, where we were just throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall, you know? I like that. Yeah, the absurdism.

It's like, catch me off guard sometimes, like, when Mel Brooks appears towards the end, the Fortune cookie thing, he's just like, start screaming, what a world. What a world does he like disappear? It's just a really funny. That really got me. Also, when John Candy reveals his character's a full name. Like, it's so stupid, but I follow him you. It's so dumb, but that really got me. It's so ridiculous.

Like, the whole movie. They've just had that in the background, and it's just a stupid payoff. I love that kind of silly stuff. But, yeah, it doesn't really, like, feed into anything outside of just an absurd joke. It doesn't have anything to do with, like, Star Wars, really? No, it really doesn't. That's why it's kind of a bad parody of Star Wars, but it's, like, a full. fun movie to me.

I still enjoy it. It just has its lulls a little bit. I mean, if I hadn't seen it and grown up with it, then yeah, I probably would be more objective here and be like, yeah, that's kind of a half-assed movie. But there's so many good things about it. Yeah, like the special effects, the performances. I don't know the actress's name, but, you know, the one who plays the princess. I feel like she just has a great.

Princess Vespa. She has a great energy. And Bill Pax, sorry, Bill Pullman is super fun. So yeah, I mean, I don't know. Adam, do you have any, I feel like you're waiting to unload some negativity. No, I was kind of just fucking checked out for most of it. Okay. I really, it's, I don't hate this movie. It's, it's just very slow and not engaging for me. There's like, you know, some moments where I'm like, oh, that was cute.

And that's kind of funny. But I never really laughed. It felt like a bunch of like the type of gags you would see in like a channel awesome skit, but like better, but not that far off. Damn. That is. That's painful. That is rough. Yeah.

There was one joke that unintentionally aged really well. and when the dink dinks revive him in the desert and he's like, when did we get to Disneyland? But now Disney owns Star Wars, so the joke works better. True. Yeah. He knew all along. Yeah.

Yeah, I can see the appeal, but yeah. Can someone explain the, I didn't get the plaid joke. Why am I missing with a plaid joke? That, I love the plaid joke because I think that's just absurdism. It's just, it makes no sense. So it's just absurdism. It wasn't, like, because they love their puns too. They've gone plaid.

Yeah, yeah. I don't think there's any point to the plaid thing. I just think it's, it's just stupid. Because they'll make an absurdist joke like that, but then, like, reference Kafka. Yeah. Like, what? I had to, like, rewind that partly. Did he just say that?

Yeah. Was there any humor you think, like, age badly for a film from 87? I mean outside of like the obvious stuff I mean like more they like doing the the cross-dressing thing a couple of times

yeah it's kind of a lame gag I like the stunt stunt double oh we captured the stunt devils yeah the stunt devil thing was pretty fine yeah yeah I probably like this more than Adam I was laughing out loud for a few times but I do agree

it needed to pick up the pace a little bit there were like boring stretches. Yeah, I also just love Rick Moranis. Like, he's just so fun to see on screen. Oh, yeah. Especially since he's been gone from movies for so long. Like, I just love seeing him. He has the right tone and energy for the role.

Yeah, I'm trying to think like what has, I feel like hasn't aged that poorly. I mean, part of what bugged me were things where I'm like, you have John Candy in this movie. why isn't he doing more funny stuff? Like he's just like hit the whole bit with him is that he's just called barf and he's dressed like a dog and he has a tail that like goes under, you know, people's skirts and is like, you know, it's just it keeps hitting him in the head. Like it's like, come on.

We have like do something with John Candy. Like he do do more there. Like he's just dressed up like a dog. Like I don't know. It was disappointing that part. Well, yeah. Any other deep deconstructions of space balls? I don't really have that much.

Like, it was fine. I just think Blazing Saddles is way funnier and is aged better. Yeah. It's like nearly 10 years older. Um, and the same way of young pregnancy. Yeah. It's way more like edgy and like shocking to today's year.

I think that's maybe why it works better because it doesn't feel, feels more like a relic from a previous time. Super like risque and. Yeah. It feels more like you're like, it's beautiful to you, like how it looks. Yeah. I mean, this movie looks good. I mean, it, it,

It has like good effects. And I really love just seeing the miniatures too. Like, damn. They, they don't make him like they used to. Let me tell you. Yeah. Five out of ten for me. Yeah, I'm like a little bit higher.

I'd be like a low six, three star. I did enjoy it. But yeah, it's nowhere near his best. Yeah, I got to do probably six out of ten as well. It's, I kind of bump me out. How are to watch it again after loving it so much, you know, being young. Because I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah, man.

But, I mean, that's the thing when you, like, experience comedies when you're young. Like, all these bits and jokes, they're all fresh to you. It's all like, I've never heard anything like this before. Like, that's crazy. You know, that alien bit when I watched this movie, I didn't even know that was from alien. I was just like, that's weird. Like, why did that happen? That's funny.

I'm random. Yeah, yeah. And now when I'm watching it, I'm just. like, oh, we're just doing a... Like, that comes after, like, the emotional... Like, a moment in the movie when they should be at their lowest and we should be focused on the plot. It's just like, what if we just do alien right here?

Let's just do that real quick and then we'll go back to the story. It's like, it just... It doesn't really relate to anything. No, it was just like, yeah, yeah. So it... That's the whole thing in the movie. It just feels kind of like a... All right, here we go.

That's, here's some jokes and bits, but... Throw the wall. See what sticks. Yeah. See what sticks. Yeah. Not one of Mel Brooks' best, unfortunately. Cool.

Yeah. Questions. Questions? Just a couple questions then. From the Sardonnacast community, head over to the suggestion thread over on the Sardonicars subreddit. If you want to leave questions for future episodes, just like I'm watching you, 23 did. It's an ominous name. Oftentimes, movies try to make you feel an emotion such as sadness or fear, but it seems like few films try to make the audience feel anger with the exception of documentaries.

What's the angriest you've ever felt while watching a film where the angle was the intended emotion? Or are there any other often neglected emotions you'd like to see more films try to elicit? Dear Zachary. Hmm. Yeah, the documentary is too easy, though. Okay. Because dear Zachary, like a black fish, you know, like it's, man, this injustice is too much to handle. Yeah.

Ooh, I can think about this for a second. I'm thinking maybe like the Battle of Algiers or something. You know, more political filmmakers, you know, I think anger is definitely more associated with like, there's a problem. You need to, we need to do something about it. I feel like Ken Loach's films probably are. Oh, that's a great. Yeah. That's a great answer.

Right. I don't think I've seen any Ken Loach movies, but I'm aware of his, you know, filmmaking. You gave the best answer. because I was thinking like, I was definitely leaning to like, stories that involve some kind of injustice, like baked into them. Even in like big poppy ways,

like, when the tree gets destroyed in Avatar, I'm mad. Yeah, I'm like getting mad. Or I guess I got something for trees, like in the two towers when they stumble across all they're like,

burnt trees. It's like, that makes me mad, man. I'm there with the ends right now. Leave those trees alone. I think anger. Yeah, anger is an underrated emotion in storytelling,

I think. Yeah. When you can get the audience, like, pissed off about something that character's doing, you're doing something really good, you know, storytelling-wise. How about Thomas Winterberg's The Hunt, 2012? Oh, that's a great answer.

I've seen that one. Oh, it's great. Yeah. Again, like an injustice, something undeserved to like a character or situation that seems to bring out that emotion, the strongest. You just get mad at people being assholes or irrational. like Rooney Mara and her like damn you're being so mean

yeah I'm angry there's probably so many good ones yeah that we're aren't taking of but yeah no I really I gotta steal your answer I'd be like loach is actually the the one um uh Vince is depressed has one for us since you guys are reviewing a parody

what current properties deserve to be parodied uh I could do like a Jurassic World one maybe Sure Just like Disney as a whole Like just whatever Disney is You could probably parody that somehow Hmm

The problem is when I think about Doing like a parody of Disney films I'm just picturing like a daily wire original Yeah same Yeah When are we gonna get Brett Cooper snow white Did they fucking abandon that project They should

Those fucking pussy's teased us And never delivered she's not even working for them anymore. Mm-hmm. Damn. Do go fund me for that, yeah. Yeah. There are things, I mean, but, I mean, I feel like that's the problem is, like, it's all made fun of, like, online and social media, like, YouTube.

Like, there's just different outlets for that kind of thing that, to do a big budget version. Like, like, I don't know if people are going to go out and see that when you can watch someone on TikTok make fun of, uh, snow white for free. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. And way more timely, you know. They don't have to take years making a big, expensive project. Yeah, maybe it's just like a dead kind of format, like the parody movie.

We'll see how the, uh, it doesn't have to be. A gun thing he does. Yeah. No, I agree. No, it doesn't have to be. I don't want it to. I guess this is kind of like making me feel, because naked gun, like, that's kind of a genre parody that we, that's not really at the top.

right now, you know? Whereas like when it came out, there were a lot of films within that genre, parodying that were like really popular. But right now it kind of seems like, oh, this is a naked gun sequel because you like naked gun, not this is parodying, you know, police, detective, procedural, whatever type movies. So I guess in that sense, like I would like to see a parody of something reflective of cultural conversations.

So like scary movie was a parody of a lot of popular horror movies at the time. And I guess that even though, you know, horror movies might not be as like, like culturally, I don't know if homogenous is the right word. Like the movies that people talk about there are horror movies. Like you don't really get everybody talking about the same ones outside of some examples. but I still think that you could do that type of film and have it be a good movie, whether or not it's successful, I don't know.

But like, I would like to see someone just do a general parody of like A-24 horror movies because that's kind of like the horror crowd horror movie now. You know, like, just throw in some hereditary. Do a scary movie and parody, hereditary and midsummer and all that shit, you know. I don't know.

Could work, maybe not. Maybe it'll be shit. The quote unquote elevated horror trends. Yeah. Aren't they making another scary movie or something? I don't know. I think the Wayne's brothers are back. I just kind of assume it at this point.

If there's an IP, I just assume that there's like a, if more than like three people know it, there's going to be some project being made to do with it. Yeah. I think I wonder if also part of the issue is that, you know, you brought up nostalgia critic and channel awesome and stuff. I wonder if parody, like doing just like a scary movie type parody of a movie, it feels like kind of an easy way to make fun of something. You know, like let's just do the same thing but silly. And I think a lot of like really bad, really bad comedians have done it really poorly for many years online like Channel Awesome. You know, it's like maybe that's just kind of like a dying thing.

Like when you said Channel Awesome, in relation to spaceballs, it sent a shiver through my body because I was like, I was like, fuck, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm sure he loves Mel Brooks. I'm sure he loves Mel Brooks. And it's like, can we do these things in like a classy way again? I don't know. Yeah. It's it's not that anything's inherently wrong with the genre. It's that people use the genre as an excuse to not try. That's the biggest fucking problem is they think that inherently. doing what you described just same thing but silly as if that is a placeholder for actual writing and like effort in setups and payoffs and clever jokes or you know character right like the best parody movies they they they put an extra effort in right black dynamite incredible movie and they stand owner as films yeah like they care about the filmmaking side of yeah it's yeah instead of just like riffing the best parody movies are like still great movies even if you haven't seen what they're parodying like sure that adds to it that can add to it and it should but you know your film shouldn't be dependent on an

existing experience of another movie necessarily mm-hmm yeah that's what's so great about like the Cornetto trilogy like yeah growing up on those I would I have way more reverence for those movies than what they were inspired by probably um which is cool because I watching like Sean of the death as a kid, I was, I was like disturbed by when like a character's like torn in half and stuff, but it's still like an effective comedy, knows what it is, works within the genre. Yeah, you're like adding to it. You're not just tearing it down and mocking it. I would enjoy like a really skilled filmmaker do a parody of Dune and like Villeneuve and Christopher Nolan style. Oh, Christopher Nolan would be ripe for parody. Oh, Nolan's a good pick.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot there, but it would have to be, again, yeah, from a place of like love and do like a really high quality job. I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever see that because then you could also just do Dune and just call it like D-O-O-N. and then have like, you know, a guy gets slapped in the face. Call it go. Goon.

There you go. Goon in the Dune font? That would be perfect. Yeah, you can't really do a Christopher Nolan parody because we just got Tenet, which was a Christopher Nolan parody. I love Tenet. Do you agree that it's essentially a parody of himself, though? I think it's him doing. himself. He's doing he's he's he's doing himself. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. You know,

there's still so many movies that do pierce through the culture. It's just a lot of, uh, what we've seen in the past like couple decades. It takes a bit of time. Like it might not be as instantaneous for things to be recognized in that way. So I wouldn't mind seeing like a parody film, that tackles things that don't necessarily have to be from the past decade, right? You could do a parody film that has elements of like Quinn Tarantino, elements of, you know, any other film that people consider to be culturally relevant,

that, you know, the audience would still understand what's being parodied, especially anybody that likes movies as an art form. Yeah, I think that is possible. just somebody has to actually care or somebody who cares has to be given money basically. Yeah, because I'm thinking like, what is the best comedy, not parody that I've even seen recently. And honestly, like, the Phoenician scheme is probably the funniest, cleverest, like, comedy I've seen.

But it goes into what we were saying. It's like an expertly made film, you know? Maybe some more, like offbeat stuff, like a different man has like kind of absurdist comedy. but it's not the same as like a scary movie or whatever. You could do a John Wick parody. Oh, that's, that would be good. That would be good. Yeah.

I could see that, yeah. Although Kean Peel pretended that they were doing one with the one called Keanu. And it wasn't very good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did see that, actually. Yeah, it was boring. About the cat or something. The cat wasn't even really in it.

Yeah, that's right. It was on the poster, but it was barely in the fucking movie. I don't know. There was some okay gags in it from memory. I like Keen people. Hmm. All right, one more question? Should we do one more here?

Yeah. Let's end on this one from Exiled Outcast. Ever since Elio became one of Pixar's biggest bombs, I've been seeing people come up with multiple explanations for its failure. One of them is critiquing the art style, referring to it as Beanmouth or the Cow Art style. Bean mouth? Do you think these critiques are valid, or is it a case of audiences being entitled and whiny?

Have you not seen that? Yeah, the Cal Arts, Beanmouth. you know like a turning red did it as well it's like the shape of the mouth looks kind of like a bean I mean I don't mind it there's nothing about it that yeah that's not the reason that no one's going to see it the reason is that it looks like Elio like it's

yeah I mean the trailer was like oh I've seen this before like there's no reason to watch this I've seen it before well it also just feels like, oh, this is like for kids, so I'll just, I don't need to see this. And I think that's something, this was some, I've been enjoying seeing all the hot takes about, oh, what's wrong with Pixar now?

What's wrong with Pixar? What's going on? I think there are like a bunch of different factors, namely that they started throwing their huge Pixar movies onto Disney Plus during a co-game. Yeah, they've trained their audience. And now it just has this lost value because of that. Like, you just can't get around that in so many movies. Marvel has the same problem.

Marvel has, exactly. It's like that there are some basic, like, fundamental reasons why that's happened. Also, they've just had a few flops and the writing isn't as good as it was. I like turning red. Soul was cool. But, no, it doesn't have that prestige feeling anymore. And it's going to take a while to build that back up again. But also, I've enjoyed the theory that early Pixar movies were written by people from the perspective of being a parent.

So, like, like all the characters in Toy Story. are they're all like adults you know even though they're toys they act like adults they have like adult responsibilities and problems and monsters ink you know it's about monsters taking care of a little kid you know they're like parents and stuff and true it's it's a different mindset than now it feels like current Pixar movies are from the perspective of like what it's like being a kid and having parents and dealing with that dynamic rather than being a parent yourself so it's that might explain some of it, you know, just a different perspective and a different entry. Although people love Inside Out.

People like Adore Inside Out, right? People, yeah, I mean, Inside Out is fine. I thought the sequel was kind of okay, but... Yeah, I didn't dig the sequel, but it's the biggest animated film of all time now. I've overtook a Lion King, 2019. But also Inside Out is kind of like apparent perspective. Like these are, even though the emotions in her head, they act are like adults in a workplace, you know? No, you're right, actually, yeah.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm all about it like that. But all the people are saying like, man, you're always asking for original movies and you finally get one and you're not supporting it. It's like, come on. Which one? Elio. It's not an original movie.

What do you mean an original movie? But I feel like, you know, sinners being, it's like number three right now. Sinners? As far as like global box office for the year. Oh, for the year. Yeah, yeah, for the year. Which kind of proves the opposite, right? Like, people were interested.

It's the original script. People want to saw it. Like, people would do that if earlier would look awesome. But I just don't feel like that's the case. Yeah, who gives a shit? Yeah. Also, like, I think it's worth noting that all the other movie studios can make movies like Pixar now.

Like, I remember for a while, the look of the CG animation was special to Pixar. I was like, oh, that's a Pixar movie. They were way ahead of the curve. Yeah. Now all the other studios can. Now we have, you know, tangled, we have frozen. I mean, it's, it's just, you just listed two Disney movies. But different studios.

Yeah. So. But DreamWorks, they make their movies for like a fraction of the budget. Exactly. Yeah. It's like that dogman movie that I haven't really seen anyone talk about, but it's just made bank. They made it for like 50 million. It's, you know, that makes way more sense to me.

Yeah. Yeah. Spider-verse. Spider-Man. All right. Elio more like hellie no. Never watching. Severance.

Ouch. You've offended me for being woke. Is Elio woke? That's what I want to know. Actually, you know, apparently they cut some things to make it less woke because they were scared. Oh, damn. Yeah, I had that. Yeah, I think one of the characters was supposed to be like non-binary or something.

Something like that. Wow. Cowards. Go not woke. Go broke. Huh? Tides are turning. There were queer themes and representation cut from the final release.

Apparently because of test audiences. Wow. I wonder where they screened it. Yeah, what do they screen it? Nashville. Yeah, test audiences suck. They changed Superman, too. Apparently there was going to be a dog punch.

Yeah, well, I don't know, like a punch or something? A dog punch. A dog getting injured. Yeah. Yeah. People were like, no. Yeah, there was a question about that. I didn't get, um,

but that's, that's not that surprising to me. Fuck test audiences. I kind of feel the same way. I'm like, that, you can't, like,

it's, just put it out there. I mean, why do you need a test audience for, I mean, I get why they do it, but, I mean,

I was annoyed because I was listening to Christopher McCquery, um, talk about how like, oh, yeah, we changed so much about these movies because of test audiences, mission impossible movies. And it's like, yeah, you can take some of the input, you know, and that can be helpful.

But at a certain point, it's like audiences don't know what they want better than the artist does. I mean, that's why they're coming into to the movie. You know, if they knew what they wanted, they would do it themselves. You know, it's like they don't know what they want. And also art should be about what you're trying to express, not how, you know, is this going to appeal to the widest demographic? Like, okay. Yeah. It's not really art.

Yeah, there should be like a useful tool, but you would be able to read the room? Like, it should be like, is this reading the way I've put it together? Right. Is this emotion hit me the way I want it to? Instead of like, is this just the broader, am I making the broadest amount of people happy? Yeah. Like story aside. Am I having the least amount of people being angry about one part of the movie?

Yeah, at least not a friction. Yeah. All right. Thanks for questions. Yeah. Nice. We did it. It's my turn.

All right. Whose record is it yours? It's me. What have you got for us? I would like to do a double feature if everyone's chill with that. Double trouble? Okay. Okay.

Do it. Funny games. Oh, cool. 97 and 2007. Oh, nice. Yeah. I'd like to talk about funny games directed by Michelle Hanukkah. I think Criterion Channel has a bunch of his movies on this month.

So okay cool yeah I haven't actually seen the 97 one so that's cool okay cool which one should I see first oh um well you know they're both like the same but I personally I would consider you prefer the American one I prefer Michelle Hanukkah's definitive version which is the American one okay so should I see the American one first I mean if that if if if you want to I want to, yeah, I mean, that's what I would do personally, but I mean, people have debates over which one they like better. I, you know, I, I'm a person that agrees with the director on, on this, but yeah. Okay. That's a cool, right? Yeah, this will be interesting. I'll probably see it in release order. Ooh, yeah, you should, maybe if you could do like one scene of the first one and then one scene of the remake and then.

A dual watch, yeah, two screens up. Yeah, go to the first like 20 minutes of each movie and then whichever one you like more, then continue the rest. Yeah, not bad, not bad. That's actually not a bad deal, like unironically. I actually kind of want you to do that. For these movies, yeah. I'm not. Why not?

Maybe I will. It would be such a unique perspective. There's not that many people we can. could get to talk about it that hasn't seen either of them. I feel like that's bad. I would feel like I'm disrespecting the films if I'm jumping back and forth. Oh, you could play both of them on two different screens at the same time. Yeah.

I think that's how he meant for them to be played. Left eye, right eye. Yeah. So many options. I'll surprise you. One on your phone and one on your Zoom. I'll put one on my Tesla cyber truck as I drive. 100 miles per hour

on a school zone and the other one will be in my hand yeah yeah make sure you're listening to classical tunes and head out to the cabin and make sure you bring some eggs all right I don't know what that means

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