Sardonicast - Sardonicast 197: Eddington, The Rehearsal S02, Stop Making Sense

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

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Three, two, one. Just one smack. That's a quote from Eddington. This is Adam from your movie Sex, this Sardonicast. Hello. I'm Alex from I.ichi. I'm going to go with facts are simple and facts are straight. Facts are lazy and facts are late. Facts will come with points of view.

Facts don't do what you want them to. Facts just twist the truth around. Facts are living turn inside up. Facts are getting the best of them. Facts are nothing on the face of things. sorry you threw me off with your Snyder reference yeah sorry that was a good long one

I mean I mean I have to go with Psycho killer something in French fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa there you go that's it nice this is my kind of episode right here Snyder talking heads it was made for you

I guess Jake do you know what Adam was getting out with the Just One Smack thing because like you need to get in on this if you don't know No, I was dissociating. I was just in another planet. Yeah. Sometimes that happens.

Yeah. So, R. slash, I think, Snyder Cut, I think, has just an intense community, right? Yeah. And someone on there called, like, their username was, uh, you slash fuck gun, as in James Gunn. And they put together this, like, AI song that, like, is just a lambasting of James Gunn, Superman. It's a surreal, bizarre, like, parody song, and it's hard to tell what's real, hard to tell what's not. But, man, I'd recommend, I guess the only, like, way you can find it now is on the JAR Media channel. There's, like, a reaction video.

Oh, it's great. Because the original Reddit post has been taken down. Oh, nice. But, oh, my, yeah. Send me that. Send me that. It's, like, amazing stuff. Yeah.

If you're ever in a bad mood and you need to, like, be cheered up, that's the way to do it. it. I love Snyderheads. They're so fun. If AI can't be art, then explain that. Oh, I love it. Because I'm learning about the person that created it, you know, like any, like any legitimate piece of art. There are layers. Yeah, if you become a detective and unpick all the layers to it because it's like, wow. Wow, what a guy. What an interesting character that generated this. We saw Eddington. We would have talked about it earlier, but Alex's country doesn't like 824 movies.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why. We used to get stuff early. Then COVID happened, kind of like the movie, and now we don't get anything anymore. Why am I British? Why do I have to be British? Yeah. It's like 28 years over there.

28 years late. I fucked it up. No, my. Yeah. So we have 28 years. You guys have Eddington. Yeah. That's, that's, I don't.

Very interesting comparisons there, you know, when you think about it. Because one movie is about zombies and the other movie is about social media turning you into zombies. Yeah, different type of zombie. Yeah. Yeah. And Alex, I think now more than ever, people who are not from the Americas need to stop associating every country in America with the United States. Because they're very different. You can't say you guys.

Like maybe at one point it would be an understandable conflation. But I think right now especially, there's a pretty big difference. Yeah, I got you guys. I mean, I live in Washington State. I'm basically in Canada. Yeah, well, they're going to send the armed guards there pretty soon. They're going to send the military to straighten things up. Yeah, that's going to be thrilling.

I'll let you guys know. I mean, what's that Malaney joke about, you know, you can't let the army live in your house? Maybe you can. Was that? Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's what I'll have to do when they come over here to Seattle. I'm so curious to hear you guys' opinions on this film because as an American, as a goddamn American. And I grew up in the Southwest, so that's that's.

That's an extra fun layer for me. Yeah. But I'm curious to think of, you know, what do you guys think of this unique look at American culture? Yeah. I had a very unique experience with this movie to the point where I had to watch it a second time. I almost didn't have a choice. I've never had this happen with a movie before where I watched this week and a half ago, maybe two weeks. And the next day, it was completely gone from my mind.

I like repressed it. What? I didn't take notes for some reason. No, it was so bizarre. It's too traumatic. I think because of the setting being 2020 and just so much was just reminding me of that time period. I was like,

I'm just going to show my, I can't even deal with this right now. Ariasda, you've actually like broken me. I forget about your horror movies. This is more horrifying than like anything I've seen from you before. So I watched it again yesterday, made proper notes. While I saw my favorite Ariester, it's doing a lot. I think it's a little bit of,

overstuffed. I think it's really interesting. It has a lot of great scenes, a lot of great characters humor as well. It's kind of closer to a Bose afraid type situation than a classic horror from him. So top level thoughts. I enjoyed it,

I think. I think, and that's after two watches. But yeah, we're having that conversation about 9-11 stuff and the idea of when is something too soon. I feel like time's going to be kind to this movie, but it's not really a movie I personally need right now

it's just like so fresh and I know that's like the point of it is to like rebel in the in what it's saying especially about like technology and the way everything's so splintered and everyone just can't agree on anything yeah

so I find that interesting and fascinating but yeah quite emotionally confusing for me I think yeah it was fun but yeah I agree a little long for what it is it's so weird because like I've I've had this

similar issue with Ari Aster's two most recent films. But my favorite thing that he's made was the director's cut of midsummer, which is like a longer version of what got released theatrically for that. So yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe he needs to, maybe he needs to collaborate on writing is what my experience with his last two movies would imply, at least just for my experience. but yeah, I was a person that, and I mean, like, I still am, I'm a person that if there's something

that I find to be important, I, you know, heavily invest myself, I obsess, I dig, I research, I investigate, et cetera, et cetera. And obviously, COVID being like a pretty, pretty significant, pretty life-changing event, something where I wanted to have, you know, the answers or have the best shot at protecting myself, you know. Obviously, I was looking up a lot of this shit. And so every reference to every, like, insane conspiracy, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember that one. I remember that one.

So I got a lot out of this movie just because I was so heavily invested in the, you know, the nonsense that was COVID conspiracies. And I mean, many of them still persist to this day. And yeah, the pretty deranged mentality and how this weird event, this weird moment where everybody was forced to like change their lifestyles for a bit, it kind of just broke people's brains. And everybody just, you know, stayed inside and then went into their own rabbit holes and And then, you know, like, I'm sure everybody knows, like, at least a few people that post-COVID just turned into, like, insane right-wing conspiracy nut jobs. Mm-hmm. Right?

Like, that's a very bizarre thing to have happened. Like, I think everybody knows somebody that, like, they just, their brain got broken and now they haven't recovered still. like fucking Joe Rogan like every single podcast episode he's still going like Colin Trudeau like a fucking

like a dictator because he because he had like a policy for vaccination for border crossing right and it wasn't I think you could still get tested even

like I don't know this shit yeah it's it's very personal to me too because it's still just like, you know, one of my values is like the quest for truth even if it's like uncomfortable, right? You know, and dismantling conspiracies and misinformation,

a la, you know, the Kimbyspiracy and shit. This is that exact same shit and it pisses me off. So yeah, I guess, yeah, that was about it, how it was like, yeah, this, this was a flashpoint in 2020, but it also is kind of the new normal. Like, I feel like the 2010s were. this slow process of yeah the internet's just the internet whatever and then just 20 20 happened and it just fast tracked this like conspiracy stuff it like just added so much fuel to all of this division um and like on a communal level i feel like just everything is splintered since then and i've obviously had a lot of thoughts these last five years reminiscing about like what has happened this past half a decade and everything that's come from that and how like depressing and sad it is so uh

he picked the right I guess a setting as far as like high tension conflict it is a good setting and it is a tense movie and that the anxiety to it is in a different way

to the kind of personal Beau's Afraid angle which I personally prefer I think that's a better movie and I like it a lot more than you I think Adam I also like it you like you like Bo's Afraid

I love Beau's Afraid I love it more and more I'll rewatch it Every time I've seen it I love it more and more I think I'm like three watches on that one. It's quite incredible, actually. So funny. It's so funny. Yeah, it's funny. It's fucked up. Captures anxiety extremely well. The anxiety here is more, yeah, on that kind of communal level. Everyone just making stuff up or using their traumas to jump from here to there

or just finding answers wherever they feel like it's necessary. I love the storytelling through various social media feeds in the movie when you see like their Facebook page and you see like the memes that are on their feeds and what that indicates like political. clue or whatever. Oh, those were fine, yeah. Yeah, that was like a fun, cool idea that wasn't corny or lame, because I found that to be when I heard the kind of like elevator pitch for this movie. It's like a neo-Western set during COVID. It's like, oh man, that could go so many, so many wrong ways and be like corny or lame. But I feel like you found the right angle. It doesn't really take the obvious roots. It's like big and represents as Adam was getting at

all these different opinions and perspectives and doesn't really feel like it's coming down hard on any of it. It's kind of just, look at this chaos. This story is in the maelstrom of all this. And there is like a major arc for the main character that Joaquin Phoenix plays. But it doesn't seem like a heavy-handed, overbearing message that very easily could have. Yeah. It's Ari Aster's, it's a very absurd film, but his least absurdist.

Yeah, because it's like reality is beyond parody with this film. Like there, there's nothing in here where I found that, found anything to be like, oh, that's like, that's, that's, that's a little too much or, you know, like that's unrealistic. I was like, oh, this is pretty much all, all about the type of shit that happened and then you just add in some like Western elements to it, you know? Like, yeah. It's pretty apt in terms of what it was showcasing from that era in terms of yeah, the social media posts, the things people say, the mentality, you know, the fucking brain worms, like, which is good, which is really good because there's, it's so often where people try to make political or cultural commentary and they just misrepresent it. And even if I'm like on the side, even if I'm like, okay, yeah, I agree with the perspective that you're sharing. Sometimes it just becomes embarrassing where it's like, okay, well, that's not that you just made up a person or you just made up a thing, right? Whereas this, this felt like weirdly accurate.

And that was a really nice thing to see. Was there anything in the movie to either of you that was like, like offensive or specifically trying to just like, annoy you or like annoy, you know, very provocative, but in kind of like a, a nasty way. Like, how do you, how do you feel about that? Because I'm, I've seen a lot of reviews that are like, this movie is, is just like a, I wouldn't say bad faith, but just like a mean-spirited, like, mockery of everything that happened. Who says that? Armand White?

I've seen lots of negative, negative reviews, yeah, of this movie. I don't know because it seemed to lambast everybody in the situation to me and the setting was so sort of it accentuated what was going on with this small town of like 2,000 people so some of the absurdity of the situations were kind of highlighted by that it wasn't like in

a densely populated city or something that was something. Right, right. Particularly about that that kind of changed the way it hits especially from like a comedic lens and yeah just the way it felt like everyone was under fire, like every single perspective. It wasn't really, yeah, propping up anyone as if like, they were right in the situation. It was more like completely opposite.

It was like, look at this maelstrom. Everyone's kind of wrong in their own way in this, in this hellhole situation that we wound up in. And it was more to me about sort of the opportunists and the people that hop on to the chaos and try and use it to manipulate power, like the main character or the Austin Butler character with the kind of cultish angle and all these kind of people that come out of woodwork that really reminded me of like a Russell brand sort of parallel.

He was a Russell brand for sure. Yeah, exactly. So the grifter's come out. So yeah, it didn't really feel like condescending to me outside of just the, I don't know, somewhat apathetic framing that I guess Ariasda's kind of known for. Like he loves his dower settings.

It doesn't necessarily have to have a happy ending. Yeah, it didn't really hit me like that. What exactly is the argument? Well, I think what you're saying, Alex, is that it seems to be taking shots. You know, at every side and that sort of thing, I've seen people see that and see that perspective as like, oh, well, it's just like taking a cowardly centrist position on all of these hot button cultural issues, you know, and, you know, the way it depicts George Floyd protesters and, you know, all this stuff that people have had issue with. And I think that it is, it's interesting to consider absolutely. And I do, there's a, let's see, there's an interview that Ariester did where he talked about the protesters themselves and like these young teenagers who are like, we're seeing what's going on in the world and we want to like say something and do something about it.

And his whole thing was like, you know, I'm looking at these people and a lot of them are not, you know, there are some of them like the kid, you know, the boy who just. wants a girlfriend, you know, who gets into this movement without any sincerity and doesn't really care about what's happening. Whereas you have also the well-meaning activism of these other young characters who mean well, but don't really have this wider experience. And so I think, like, I can see in a sense where people are coming from. And I think part of that is just the knee-jerk reaction of like, fuck, you can't talk about it like this.

Like, you can't be making jokes about, you can't be making jokes about this. And that's why when I first reviewed it, I was thinking, yeah, this is going to take like 10 years at least for it to like come around as a full classic in my. opinion, not just because it's about all these hot button issues, but also because it is just about the modern day and our modern world and media and social media. And I don't see a lot of movies. I don't know about you guys, but I don't see a lot of movies that are just about now and what it feels like to live in now. And now means living on your phone. You know, like we all live on our phones. We live on the internet. That is part of everything. And you hear this.

going on about like filmmakers constantly making period pieces like Paul Thomas Anderson and Tarantino and all these great filmmakers, they only make movies set in the past. And nobody wants to make movies about the modern day because it sucks. Like being on your phone, it's not cinematic, it's not entertaining, it's not interesting. It's depressing. But that's what makes me so excited and that's what I found so thrilling about Eddington was just the audacity to try it, just to try it. to be like, you know what, I'm going to try to say something about right now and about our world

and what it feels like to live here. And I found that really honest and refreshing and he brought a lot of humor to it. And, you know, I don't know if I mentioned this elsewhere, but I feel like this movie is a perfect mix of Connor O'Malley and Robert Allman. Like, I think there are really a lot of parallels. to Nashville in this movie. I also like the Cohen brothers. I think Ari Aster, like, stylistically draws a lot from the Cohen brothers.

There's some, like, really thrilling sequences in this movie, which seems to jump genres every 20 minutes, which could be a, you know, a criticism, but I found it very entertaining and, like, unexpected plot-wise. But, like the Nashville comparisons, there's a political campaign, there's a van driving around with, you know, spouting, you know, nonsense ideas. There's lots of different characters. It's kind of like a tapestry story. So I think that in another aspect that I really love about Nashville, since we've talked

about it on the podcast, I guess, is that it kind of starts out all these characters. You see them as these broad stereotypes. Like, okay, we've got the anti-vax sheriff law enforcement guy. Okay, right, right, right. All right. We've got the annoying protester. who doesn't really know what's happening and just wants to protest something. We've got all these different characters.

We've got the Emma Stone character who is like entranced by a cult. Yet, like, even though we have these stereotypes and these characters that we could just laugh at and point fingers at and go, okay, this person is clearly stupid. This person is mentally unwell. The movie never, like, restricts them to just a box. And then that was so surprising and refreshing to me. I was watching this movie, Joe Cross, the main character, is a character that if I meant, I would never want to meet in real life. This is someone I would never want to know or associate with. But I was so like, I empathize so much with him, especially in the first half of this film, of like, you know, from his perspective, he's just, he's trying to understand what's going on. He's trying to do what he thinks is best for his community. And all these characters are, to some degree or another. And I was just, yeah, I mean, I'm blown away.

I love this movie. It's honestly, and I've only seen it once, but since seeing it, it's just grown in my memory so strongly, and I've thought about it so much ever since that it's definitely up there. It might be my favorite movie of the year so far. Yeah. Nice. I think it's important to mention, like, if we're going to talk about the criticisms of

showcasing, you know, like Black Lives Matter protesting, that this is in the context of this being in, you know, the title, a small town, right? So, like, yeah, it is, you know, only a couple of the characters within that are showcased in that way. And then also it's in the context of it being in a small town because, you know, it fits into the narrative of like, okay, yeah, this is something that these characters are seeing on their phones and it's influencing the action that they take in their lives, right? Because otherwise, you know, like the, the events that were, you know, leading up to the actual protests themselves, right, the movement, you know, they were just seeing it through their phones. Like, in that small town, they were basically just isolated from everything

unless they see it on their phone, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, Yeah, the commentary works really well, I think, still. Yeah, I mean, everything is through our phones and mediated through the internet, and so that it's not just like a situation happening in another town somewhere. It's everything in America is happening to everyone at once, regardless of where you live. And there's that a scene where, you know, they're watching these scenes on TV, these, the sheriff's department or whatever, Joaquin Phoenix, they're seeing this footage of like, you know, a police,

department being burned or whatever, wherever that is going on. And they're like, oh my God, this is going to happen to us soon. Like, we're in so much danger. This is crazy. And he goes out in the street. And they're just like a tiny little group of people protesting. And it's like, but the way it's shot in film, like, we're in his perspective. We're like, this is the most, the scariest thing in the world, these, you know, young people out there protesting.

Like, they're about to, you know, burn down the whole town in his mind. it's it's very well done like just scene to scene like there's just so many incredible scenes and if there is anything dragging this movie down I do have to see it again to like feel if it this is a problem it's the tonal whiplash from scene to scene I don't know if that affected you guys

I don't know if I got too much tonal whiplash but I do feel as if there are some particular scenes where I'm like, okay, this tone doesn't work for me as well. Spoilers, I guess. You know, the ending, spoilers, everybody. Near the end, there's, you know, the epic kind of like action chase shootout thing. I felt like the tone was a little bizarre for that one, but who knows, maybe just on my second watch, it'll be more fitting. Yeah.

It's very rare where I feel like something could use some music where there is. isn't and that was one of those instances. Usually it's the opposite. I didn't really feel a tonal problem. I could see someone maybe getting lost in how much it's doing, all these perspectives. You get like with the Nashville thing you're getting at, it's not quite as extreme as that movie, but there are a lot of characters,

a lot of angles that it's coming at. And it does kind of move around in strange, unpredictable ways because it's kind of presented as this. conflict between Joe Cross and Ted Garcia the Pedro Pascal mayor versus the sheriff type thing. So I think it's one of my favorite parts of the movie, just that kind of conflict. I love a buildup. I love the bubbling tension. And as it just slowly escalates throughout until the big release in the...

You mentioned that riot scene. And that's also one of my favorite scenes in the movie, just the way it was put together. Yeah. It's very tense. And that's where the... Yeah, when they're ramping up of the tension and those tone shifts... can really work, like, especially the way when the, when the music drops in that scene, when he's, um, when Joaquin Phoenix saying, like, do not engage, don't engage. And like,

he just immediately engages and he's like baited by that kid, basically. It's like a, it's so, like, the, so agitating in, like, the best way possible in a completely intentional way. Um, as far as like a tonal inconsistency, it was more to me, like a, oh, the, I guess these like the mechanics of how the last act kind of came together on the first watch was like wait what what's going on there's like a plane of antifa terrorists of like they're trying to kill yeah yeah yeah yeah like really escalates at that point in my first watch i was just like what what the fuck is even like going on right now um but that does that does land better on a rewatch and the comedy actually was hitting a lot better um on a second watch too because you just you just

understand what it's going for it is like such a big kind of ambitious just swing it is going to hit in certain ways and like the payoffs you get towards the end like on my first watch the the kid who becomes like a conservative influencer at the end through a lot of the movie I was like where are they going with this how are they going to pay this off but I think as a comedic beat that's like a really funny like punchline but like after that horrifying becomes Kyle Rittenhouse yeah exactly yeah yeah very clearly inspired by Kyle um but right after the Joe Cross, like, stabbing in the head, like, ending of all that. And him coming out from around the corner with his terrible aim and taking out the guy.

And he just happens to be filming it, feeding back into this whole tech angle and him just using that to build his own platform of monetization and selling supplements. And it's like, oh, that's brilliant. I think that's really, really funny stuff. For a film that has so many characters and so many things going on, I really, really wish that we saw more of Austin Butler's character. because they even used him like in some of the viral marketing too they had him like posting a video to rumble in character I don't know if he oh really I didn't know about that that's fine yeah yeah um and like I think maybe like a TikTok or whatever but yeah like just a just this weird you know like okay this guy's Russell brand like before I even saw the movie just like just like pretty clear but yeah like he sold the character really well and I found it him to be like one of the more interesting aspects and especially with him being part of the marketing beforehand, I was kind of hoping to see a bit more of him.

Although I guess I do also like the, you know, I guess more subtle interpretive elements that come from like him and Emma Stone as well. Yeah, I like how much he's sprinkled in and to me serves more to feed into that relationship of Joe Cross and Louise Cross, walking Phoenix. I'm a stone. Yeah. And a kind of mess of a relationship and him coming in is kind of what breaks it all apart. And AIDS, Joe's, uh, destructive arc that you goes down. Um, I thought he was sprinkled in just enough. And, but I agree with what you're saying, though.

I, I probably would watch a three-hour cut of this, much like with, uh, midsummer or whatever, um, just to see what maybe was left on the camera floor. No, I think he gets like final cut at this point just because he's made like, the brand of A24. I don't think, I don't know if there is much like, what's left, yeah.

Yeah, I think these movies would be very different if, if they were, uh, you know, micromanaged by A24. Like, who knows,

maybe, maybe other people are cutting them down, but yeah, I find that angle really interesting, actually, because this is now two films of his in a row that have not done well, yeah, um,

no one near the same budget as Bo's afraid, but still, 25 million and it's only made about 11 million as a recording so obviously that's not what they're looking for does ariasta just get Cate Blanche because of hereditary midsummer or yes I think that's exactly right it because I personally don't really care about that as long as we keep getting these interesting movies from him as long as he doesn't get put in any kind of director's director jail um but yeah

gay baby jail I think if if he gets put in director jail they just you know at some point 824 is just kind of smack him with a stick and be like all right another horror movie come on 90 minute horror movie, then he can go do your weird shit. If they want to put him in director jail, he can go to France like Roman Polanski did. That's how you avoid director jail. Same situation, definitely. Different kind of jail, yeah.

What do you mean? It's a director in jail. What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about the same thing. Right. I would watch a spin-off mini-series of Austin Butler's character. I feel like I would love to see him in like a spin-off. Yeah, keep the character.

Let's have like a show about whatever the fuck this guy's up do. Let's have a better call Saul of Vernon Jefferson Peak. The thing about his character, though, that is so interesting. And I honestly, I don't think a spinoff would work. I don't think if we got more of his character, it'd be that good. Because the thing that's so great about his character is how subtle we learn everything. Like, he just shows up out of the blue, you know. Yeah.

And that dinner scene is so, like, mesmerizing and hypnotic. He is so charismatic. Like, Jo Cross, his character is just, like, pulled into, like, okay, you're eating our food now. You're like, yeah, of course, you're hanging out with my wife. There's nothing strange about that. Like, he would just the audience trying to figure out. Yeah, like, what is the dynamic here?

What is he doing with Emma Stone? Like, what, how it's so fascinating that once you do figure out, like, the Brammer Of like, oh shit, this guy's just running a full on cult. And Emma Stone likely was, you know, abused as a child. And, you know, that's just like it's so tragic. And I feel like her character isn't treated as a punchline at all. It's like she is such a tragic figure in the story. And it's amazing that this movie that's like this weird Western comedy with like these broad beats and like huge jokes.

It has room for this kind of nuance and subtlety and just letting the audience go into a scene blind and figure out what's going on and respecting our intelligence that way. I mean, yeah. No, yeah, you're right. There is kind of a hardcore punchline with the Emma Stone character when they're watching the... Yeah, and she's like pregnant and has the bobcat and she's like mugging the camera. And the opening shot of Joe Cross is him watching a YouTube video of like someone, the title, something like, how to convince your husband. or wife to have kids when they don't want to or something like that. So for that

gut punch after he's been stabbed in the head after he's like, he kind of technically wins but he's lost everything in the process and he's just kind of like screaming as he sees that. It's like a really horrifying ending. Yeah, I get what you're saying. It's very parallels to being John Malkovich ending.

True. Without going into detail about it because it's a great movie everybody should see. I won't spoil anymore. I feel like the movie really like tears down this concept of like the conservative like this conservative archetype, this guy who's like just one, he wants to be powerful, this whole film.

He wants to control his life. He wants control over anything. At the end of it, he is, he has zero control over anything. He's just like puppeteered around for the purposes of this data center that takes over the town, you know. It's just so cruel. Like what Ariaster does to him is just so cruel. and like even the fact like the weird humor of him watching like a John Ford movie at the end of the film.

He was watching young Mr. Lincoln about like truth and justice. Like at some point he was trying to, he in his mind, trying to do things the right way and trying to do the good thing. And everything devolves after he kills the homeless guy. And yeah, it just snaps. It becomes a Jim Thompson novel. It becomes another thing entirely. And that's something I loved is that the whole movie you think it's going to build up like to this showdown between him and Pedro Pascal's character. And then all of a sudden, nope, it's, he's like trying to evade the police.

And it's a different genre again. And then he's trying to pin the blame onto his colleague who had nothing to do with it. It has so many great twists and turns. Yeah, it comes like Dexter for a bit. He's trying to play with evidence and get away with crimes. There's also the whole, like we mentioned, the BLM element, but there's also the Native American angle, which I find really interesting in the movie.

The sight gag, when he's running away, where he, like, climbs on that roof and falls down into the, I think they're called the Geronimo bones or something, which is like a nice symbolic visual of what the people are doing in the area. And I found that to be quite an interesting. bittersweet section toward the end, especially when that other cop from the other jurisdiction is doing the proper investigating and winds up. Having almost a worse end than Joe Cross, where he's like doing all the right things,

just gets shot by Joe himself, his leg, like, exploded off and then sniped by the Antifa terrorist dude. It's so horrible, but I feel like all the characters get, like, quite good, like punchy endings. Like, we haven't mentioned Emma Stone's mother for character, Deidre O'Connell's character who unlike being a full-on cultist she's more of the average kind of conspiracy theorist believer she's the one that's like talking about 9-11 conspiracies about how she mentions the titanic um and stuff like that all these wacky conspiracies she's believed in and her kind of ending being the one in control of joe cross his body and like being his mouthpiece is like quite a ironic place to end it and it's all about yeah almost like humiliating

Joe Cross. That little epilogue just felt like the most, the most like speaking about the modern world today. And it felt very much like not just post 20, but post 2024, like Trump 2.0 era where it's just like, yeah, no, the conspiracy theorists are the one in charge now. You know, these people, they're just working for the big tech is now aligned with the far right. you know, it's like it's, it just feels like so sad and frightening. And I think like at the end of the day, it's, it's kind of like an angry movie. And again, Ari Aster is just venting out his fears about everything in the world and very effectively. Yeah.

And also I like how it captures just like the commonplace thing that happened in the United States, where just like random conspiracy nut jobs decided to enter politics you know like just showing up out of nowhere you're fucking Lauren Bovards your MTG Magic the Gathering yeah yeah I guess it works yeah it's it's it's just such a it is like a sad movie like deep down but it is just so funny I think this is his funniest movie this might be my favorite R-A-X-movie. But I love Bose afraid too, but this one just feels so perfect for these times. And also just it stands out because like no one else is talking about the things this way.

I really think years from now people are going to say, man, why were people not like raving about this? Like this was so so just it is the 2020s. And I think like the scene that sticks with me the longest. And this might be the standout scene in the whole movie is when Joe Cross goes to the big fundraiser event and the Katie Perry fireworks song. Yes. What a good use of that song. And that's the Cowboy Showoff. That's high noon.

That's like the biggest humiliation that he just cannot stand. And he gets slapped by Pedro Pascal and you're slapped by Reed Richards. Like that's, then he goes on his murder rampage. So, I mean, it's so hard to talk about this movie because there is like so many different threads you can pick apart and like admire and look at. I really want to see it again. It's just so it's even also just like on a technical level. It is there's some great sequences. The tension is heightened in so many ways.

I really did enjoy the final shootout battle. I thought that was like really creatively staged and like funny. and also just like almost Looney Tunes style. Very Cohen Brothers E. Yeah, yeah, I think this movie will age well. Like it's it already is unique. I don't expect a lot of other movies in the coming decades to attempt to tackle both this, you know,

this section of time, this particular moment in history. in a way that that feels like genuine and like it is actually trying to represent a lot of what happened in people's minds and, you know, this feels like a very authentic kind of representation of that. Where, yeah, I don't, I don't expect many movies to even attempt something like this. So I think it'll stand out more and more as the years go by. Yeah. And he has to do it through genre. I think that's why it's so effective too. Like, if this was just a straight drama about COVID, like, no, I don't think that would work.

Like, it has to be a comedy. It has to be a thriller, Western. Western, yeah. Yeah, action movie, like Jim Thompson, noir. Like, it is packing a lot of things in there. And I think it just wouldn't work otherwise without this level of, I don't know, like, ironic detachment almost. like that's almost so necessary to be able to even cover this time period I think yeah because I was reading he was planning to do some kind of Western as his first movie has some script or some type of story done but decided to go for hereditary instead and returning back to this he added all the the COVID kind of references and details in there that kind of gives it its personality and its uniqueness because you know deep buried in there is the

you know the archetypal kind of western story the sheriff versus the mayor and all this kind of stuff the big company moving in and that's one of the elements I really liked about it actually was I don't know it has that backbone but it gives it its own unique voice and complexity

what did you guys know about the solid gold magic art thing so that's an ongoing through line and feeds into the kind of themes of the movie the company the it's like an AI tech company that's trying to set up in the town. They're kind of arm in arm with Pedro Pascal's character,

and that's one of Joe Cross's, like, talking points is how, hey, you're paying for this for my tax dollars, and we didn't agree to this and all this kind of thing. But the term, have you heard this term before? Solid gold magic art. I had no idea. It's a Pokemon thing. I feel like I've heard it vaguely.

I don't remember. Because, yeah, I had, like, twig something in my brain. I've seen that put together before. and it's unusual. I'm seeing it in this film. And I, yeah, I googled it. It's like an AI phenomenon where it's like a certain type of token that if you prompt, the model will fail to reproduce it instead generating bizarre or incorrect outputs, which I guess is kind of the thesis of the movie in a way.

It's just like a big solid gold magicarp AI error with all the tech influence and everyone just splintering and atomizing and losing their minds. I thought that was quite a clever sort of framing device. and having the like tech angle literally being like a part of the plot that's cool yeah i don't think it works without that like that's that's such a key commentary of of like yeah while all of this bullshit is going on here is what's really happening you know here here's this data center that just wants to leach off of this town and that's really going to fundamentally change you know the community while everyone is is you know destroying each other yeah uh online you know it's like this is

the reality coming for Eddington. Yeah, the final shot cements that. Going to take all their water too. Yeah, true. When the title car comes up at the end, and the shot is central on the new solid-gold Magic Car AI building with kind of Eddington in the distance in the background. It's like, oh, the parasites here, and it's won.

It's like the true winner of the story, if there is a winner to be found. Yeah. Yeah, there's a podcast. I don't know if you guys heard about this, but Bill Hater and Ari Aster had like a whole conversation about Eddington on like the A24 podcast. Highly recommend.

Not only very funny, like they talk about a lot of different stuff, but it gave me a lot of insight to just what his thinking process was for this film. So very fun listen. Nice. I forgot there was an A24 podcast. After you guys listen to this podcast, of course. Viewers finish this podcast,

then go listen that one. Listen to every episode of Sardana cast first. Yeah, that's required. And go on the Patreon. 7 out of 10, I think. Yeah, it was between a high, 6 or a low 7 for me. So I bumped it up to a 7 from this conversation. I'll check it out again for sure.

We'll see. Yeah, again, my biggest problem is just like the length, you know, the flow, the overall experience for me, some of the tone. Didn't really match up with like what I would love, but like there is a lot to appreciate about this movie. And there is a lot that I did really vibe and connect with. Do you feel like if it kind of narrowed its view and like picked one narrative thread, it would be more satisfying to you if we just stuck with like Joe Cross's story or? No, I just I feel like maybe it's mostly just like a tone and. editing and trimming the fat like it the issues I have with it are more like I guess subtle

than like scene to scene shagginess or yeah just like the overall feeling that I got in like the level of it keeping my attention I guess or like following the the narrative from scene to scene. Like maybe it could have been restructured or had some of the focuses shift in certain ways. But who knows? Maybe on a second watch, I'll, you know, have none of those issues. I don't know. But yeah, just from a first time theatrical watching. Yeah. I'm pretty much there with you. This would be, I think, a high three and a half star seven for me. I do think time is going to be very kind to this movie. I think it's going to age extremely well. who knows what this would be like visiting when I'm like 40 or whatever and see what

hits differently and what kind of time caps or stuff it captures. Reminding me weirdly of the curse. I don't know if you've seen that Jake, but I think that's also in New Mexico. It's got these kind of social justice themes and... Oh my God, the curse is so good. Yeah, it's got some similar themes in there. Anna Stone's in it too. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about that, Jake, actually.

it's fucking incredible I'm you know I've wanted to watch it because I'm a huge Nathan Fielder fan I just uh I just missed it when it came around so something I need to catch up on it's fucking awesome nice yeah my hubby geeps to gets to keep making these weird

offbeat movies that are very much him even though audiences don't really seem to care that much yeah yeah I hear his next movie is going to be January 6th themed so um Before that. No, I'm just kidding. You know, it was funny.

I was about to ask if you were kidding, because it wouldn't be like that crazy. No, no, I'd be like, oh, yeah, okay. Sure. No, he's making a 9-11 comedy. I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised about that either. Yeah, this is 9 out of 10 for me. I'm trying to just, I'm trying to not, you know what, these days I'm trying to be a little

more cautious with my 10 out of 10s, you know, you guys are teaching me to be a little, little less emotional and, and, you know, be a little more analytical because I do feel like I gave sinners a 10 out of 10 at the time, and maybe, maybe, that's maybe a 9 out of 10. I may have been a little zealous. Emotions good, but I'm, I still love sinners, but this movie is, it's up there with maybe my favorite of the year. I do have to see it again, though, for sure. You know what? I think part of the problem with sinners, is that I was watching it again because it's on HBO Max. And I know people like this, but I don't like how it jumps between widescreen and the

IMAX format, you know, every other scene. Does that annoy you guys? Because when I saw it in theaters, I just saw the regular format, just widescreen. And the jumping between widescreen and IMAX always pulls me out. It can bug me. In Nolan films, it can bug me sometimes. I don't know if I would say it I've ever felt it pulls me out

I've always noticed it when it happens but I don't know if I've ever like found it to be a terrible thing I guess that was that Transformers movie they did it in the most bizarre way possible I can't remember which one it was

I just remember Anthony Hopkins like Anthony Hopkins being like Merked like it goes like IMAX and then he gets like blown up or something then he goes back This is crazy. Okay. I've seen some clips of that.

We're at like 50 minutes through the recording. Okay. Should we or should we not talk about the rehearsal? How much time are we? Maybe it be safe to save it. All right, we'll save it again. Can be slightly shorter. I've got a bunch of questions.

Sure. Yeah, let's do it. That's fine if we're doing one in a week anyway. It doesn't have to be the longest episode. Yeah, fuck you, Nathan Fielder. you can wait again we've been you know like we'll keep pushing it we'll just keep pushing it back forever we did the same thing with season one I guess mm-hmm it took forever so with it the thing is I don't have a lot to say about the rehearsal I don't know about you guys I feel like

but there's things to say about it yeah okay all right well we'll save it we'll save it yeah I don't know how long the convo be but if we don't have a lot to say then let's fucking talk about it right now then okay if you want like I don't like I don't really have notes. That means it'll be quick. The rehearsal. The rehearsal season two. The rehearsal season two. Incredible. All right. We're doing it. No, I mean, yeah, because I, all right, so we all loved it, right? Yeah. It was quite surreal. I liked it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think I preferred season one just because I love cringe. Same.

And I'm like, I'm a cringe connoisseur. And this one had less cringe. But I very much respect how it approached this season wanting to do something way more sincere, but still maintaining its level of humor, still sprinkling in those like, you know, I'm going to be an adult baby for this scene for no reason. But like, we're going to throw that into the episode just to make you. like really caught off guard and yet still managing to not only tell a sincere story but have like sincere activism and and talk about like legitimate mental you know social issues right the

pilot and co-pilot and how that relates to uh the greater experience of uh human miscommunication or the hierarchies of like whether or not you should be allowed to say something, are you placed at a higher level or the ideas of like creating a character and how that impacts you psychologically and might make you able to be more confident or out of your shell or feel less judged or less afraid if you put things under the pretext of like I'm doing a role play even if it is still yourself. like a lot of really cool ideas in here that you know to me the discussion is more about those ideas than just like the surface level like jokes and filmmaking of the show but anyway what

you guys think yeah so it took a little while to get going for me that entire first episode I was like where the where is this going like what what does this have to do with like really anything to do with that first season. It seems like he just had this hyper fixation on this thing that he's just obsessed with that being like aviation and these crashes in particular and just going down this deep rabbit hole of yeah, why they happen and trying to figure out what's going on and the politics of it and the people and the human side and then bringing in the the rehearsal angle to, you know, get some of the comedy in there and some of that cringe that I was talking about. super unique.

And that pay off in that last episode is, yes, I laugh out loud like, wow, that's some dedication, man. Like, but he is becoming a commercial pilot.

Spoilers. That's completely insane. Yeah, sorry, spoilers. But whatever. Everybody's probably seen it who wants to. Yeah.

We are on season two. So we're talking about the second season of something so theoretically. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, to me,

it's like, some of the episodes were stronger than others. Part of it is like, okay, we're building on a theme. And that's what's so exciting is that you don't really know what avenue it's going to take. It really feels like we're just exploring this guy's interests here. And like what it's interesting because I feel like more in this season than even the last season, we're pulling behind the mask where I don't really know like how much of him is there and how much of him is sincere. You know, I feel like there's this war that's always happening between like, okay, do I, do we explore this scenario like in a more sincere

way or try to like get into the cringe of it? Or do we build it up into like a huge gag and just kind of like put joke on joke? I think that's why certain episodes I enjoyed more like the Sully episode was my favorite one because it just was a perfect crescendo of absurdity that led to the perfect dumbest joke with solely listening to the what was the song that he listens to bring me to life yeah yeah

yeah that that was amazing that was amazing like the just the whole premise of yeah the reason that's why solely could save all those people because he listened to that song

yeah in those 22 seconds Those were my favorite ones I think other But I'm like more inclined to be like I miss kind of the Nathan for you days where it's just like Bullying Big gags and yeah Maybe that's the sadist in me where I'm just like

No I love it too I fucking love it Like I love Nathan Find the weirdest person and then just go like Let's follow you around And see what we can make you say on camera Not make you but like you know Let's just like, yeah, let's let you expose yourself kind of. Like, it's great that this is more introspective and I am very like interested in what he's trying to do and say like just the fact that he's exploring like, like, okay, what if I am autistic?

Like what does that? Yeah. What does that mean? What is this? You know, like there are some cool things that he's doing like introspectively, like even just from a filmmaking perspective. But I can't help that. Like I just am more attuned with these. dumb bits that he does, you know, watching him dressed up like a baby, trying to drink milk

from a giant boob, but like, that's just great comedy. So, yeah, yeah, that's where I'm at. See, I feel like you found a really, you found a really good angle with the pilot direction, the psychology of them, like the episode after the Sully one is the Kiss Me episode, where he's setting up all these like romantic situations and he particularly zones in on that one dude. And while it's not like, you know, as laugh out loud funny as Nathan for you in particular, yeah. Yeah, just on a psychological level, it's like really interesting the way these people are carrying themselves and all these pressures that are put on them on the expectations. Because there's like such a huge weight on them.

So it's such an important job and like people's lives are on the line. I found that angle like really fascinating. I mean you mentioned that Sully episode. I thought that was also like a really like outside of him, you know, dressing up as babies and whatnot, him going through that book and reading about how he wouldn't be vulnerable and these people just can't be vulnerable with each other. Yeah. Interesting that psychology is.

That was like endlessly fascinating to me even if it was always laugh out loud funny. But I was laughing every episode, somewhat funny than others. He's just, I don't know how he's so deadpan. I don't know like what his secret is. It's like, I think I've only seen him break like once in one of the Nathan Fuse, right, the P episode or whatever. So out of the field.

Gas station. He is frighteningly, he is frighteningly manipulative. It's so, he's so good at just like, when he wants to bring in the sincerity and wants to like bring in the emotion too, like he can land that so well. Like that scene where the, what is it called the Wings of Voice competition, whatever stupid show that they have to pretend to do. And they have all the pilots who are like rejecting these people. doing it a nice way and he's trying to figure out what is the nicest way like how do i reject people and have them still like me you know um yeah like it's just so such like a weird digression that was so cool to see and he's getting all these bad ratings like they're rating the people who are

rejecting them and then he uh that that final scene where he's like i feel like it's just him talking to this girl who went out to audition and he just gives the most like sweet kind message of like you're talented like keep working like here's you know blah blah blah and she starts crying and it's like so sweet and then he goes and looks at what she rated him and it's a six but he flips it around two and nine so i mean there's just those little moments like i was genuinely touched watching that like that's it is very interesting like not all of it works to me but it is so like worthwhile of an experience to go through all these episodes.

I am so happy that he's just allowed to have creative freedom. Because he keeps getting projects and he keeps being able to just do whatever he wants, which is just insane and incredible. Like how often do we get to see an artist like this actually make what they want to make, right? With their ideas being freeform. Like the entire The first season of rehearsal

And you know to some extent this one But like especially the first one Was kind of just like yeah We're gonna film shit and see what happens We're gonna create the show around what happens Right we're gonna build these sets And like just use Like legitimate budgets

Based on things that we didn't know Would happen when we pitched the show And I love I love that that he's able to do that Yeah, no one else is doing that. Yeah, almost feels like a stream of consciousness. Yeah. Just whatever organically was happening as he was researching is what dictated where it needed to go.

Very serendipitous. And it's a good budget. Like, it's not a cheap show. No, no. That's a huge, the whole, like, airport replicas. Yeah. So needlessly detailed. Yeah.

Yeah. And I, again, I love what it's getting at, like, psychologically. I connect with it very. much as a person that is likely autistic but never officially knowing this. But, you know, and also there's a lot of parallels in terms of the idea of saying like, oh yeah, I'm like, I'm going to pretend I'm this character. And then what does that allow your brain to psychologically do when you're pretending it's not yourself, even if it really is? There's a lot of of parallels between that and like the furry community, right? Where everybody has these characters

that are essentially themselves. There's, you know, any furry knows someone where, you know, like in real life, they might be like extremely, like socially awkward and like timid and reserved. But as soon as they're like in a fur suit or whatever, it's like the exact opposite. And they're like finally able to just be this freed version of themselves without the restriction of it being attached to themselves. Even though it still is themselves, just the freeing nature of being able to pretend that you're not, even if you know that you are. It's really, really interesting what our human brains do in terms of social expectations and

fears and anxieties and norms and taboos and yeah yeah like everyone's playing a character if you think of yeah there's the whole episode dedicated to the idea of like masking yeah exactly means because obviously that's what a lot of the pilots are doing that when they're in a room together they're like not really talking to each other and they have no rapport and it's just like the way it is and yeah the way it all loops back into these tragedies of these crashes just super psychologically interesting that was really what gave it a backbone to me as in tandem with the payoff of that final episode

with him just going so just committing to the bit to the most extreme in the most extreme way I think I've ever seen a comedian do like his dedication to the bit is like so over the top that that was like funny in and of itself to me that he just went that far with it Now he just flies, planes around the world, I guess. Yeah, I love the music in this show too. I think it hits the tone really well. The fact that it's still presenting itself as like a satire.

In the same way that Nathan for you had like cheesy music reminiscent of like a home makeover show or like Hell's Kitchen or sorry, kitchen nightmares or. any kind of like reality show with like all the wipes and stuff. This one is like a satire parody of like a serious HBO documentary. I like that the soundtrack doesn't do the typical like, do that goofy goofy. We're telling you it's goofy. Instead, the tone remains sincere season one and season two. And that makes it so much funnier because then there's like a level of engagement and again, like, almost confusion at like which parts are sincere and which parts aren't.

And having that serious music, especially playing over like, you know, adult baby and all the parts that are like just so obviously jokes, it makes it just so good. I love the tone that it's balancing. I love the juxtaposition. It's just the entire experience is just beautiful, in my opinion. Do you see the CNN stuff after the fact? Oh yeah, where he called people stupid? Was that the same one? That was funny.

To talk about the, what was it precisely? It's been a while since I watched it, that he was some kind of legislation he was trying to put forward or something in government. Because he goes to Washington in that episode and talks to somebody important who just kind of brushes him off. Yeah. It was funny to see him on CNN talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like he.

He is doing something real. He is advocating for like a real issue, like you were saying, Adam. And that's just interesting to see on its own. Just, you know, also just seeing behind the scenes of how this whole industry works. It is fascinating. I also enjoy him pissing off Paramount Executives. Hell yeah. That was a great little subplod.

No more curse season two. No curse Blu-ray, whatever. Yeah Yeah, what's the curse It's amazing Yeah, incredible show And yeah, we had like a little 10 or 15 minute long conversation

And I think that's fine We snuck it in there Finally I've been trying to do that for a while You guys kept watching Marvel movies And we never had time So is Blamed the baby brains

Yeah, no, I really enjoyed this I liked how different it was from season one hopefully we can go forward and do even more new and wacky ideas I'm hyped for season three because wasn't that the first season

first season wasn't it interrupted by kind of COVID stuff so they had to like improv on the fly so I'd be curious to see if you could do something like a season one but without having you know COVID coming in doing what it did see where maybe that would go I'm sure it would go in a completely different direction

I like that both these seasons have completely different commentaries. One was more about like the ethics behind like acting and putting people in these situations and then two is more about this industry

and this hyper-specific slant of it. Yeah, I thought this was excellent. I think I liked both seasons about equally but they're so different from each other to me. I'd give them both like nines or tens. Probably a five-star. Yeah, I'm giving the whole the series as a whole at 10.

I like season one more. but cool yeah I'm given the whole show 8 out of 10 love it nice yeah good stuff I think season 3 should be about the AI

industry and just like him fucking with all the all the CEOs of these various companies you know I feel like there's something there maybe we all need an excuse to be our true selves and we're just looking for permission.

True. True. Take it away, Alex. Right, I guess it's time for my wreck, huh? Yeah. Huh. Stop Making Sense. Huh.

Directed by Jonathan Demi. Jonathan Demi Moore. Demi Moore. And this was a bit of a risky pick for me, I feel. We've never done a concert movie. on this podcast before. And I feel like that's almost the most interesting place for this to start as far as like, how do we feel about concert films?

Do we even consider them films? What kind of angle do you think they come under? Because to me, it's not really a, would you consider it a genre of film that like I'm particularly interested in, but this one is kind of the standout to me as far as elevating up beyond it feeling just like I saw a good comparison with the idea that some people find these like a televised sporting event or something like that and not really a film but I feel like there's so much intention and filmic qualities behind stop making sense that I think it does deserve to be considered a film especially with this is my third or fourth

viewing of this. This time I watched the Demi commentary, which was recorded in 1999 to pick up any bits here and there. A couple years ago, the 40-year anniversary of this film came out. A-24 did a really good remaster. I got the clean special edition of that. It's got like a cool booklet with all these illustrations and lighting details. It's just so cool. I love the talking heads. I'm one of my favorite bands, so I guess I have that bias as far as... One of your? I thought they were your favorite. I mean, yeah, if I had to pick one, they would be my favorite band. It's kind of legendary status as far as a performance.

We often get that question of like if you could be at one thing or one event, one musical event, I think I would choose one of the... I think it was four recordings they used to put together, stop making sense, over four days. Obviously, it's stitched together through moments that were the best kind of cuts of each day or each song or whatever they're doing. So let's start there. Do you guys care about concert films? Have you seen very many? I've only seen a handful. I find it interesting as kind of a type of film we haven't spoken about on the show before. So what about you, Jake? How do you feel about the concert movies? Are you familiar with talking heads before this? How are you feeling? I'm

I like the talking heads, but from like a very superficial, like I know a few of their songs. I like David Byrne. I like some of his newer music as well. I think he did an album with St. Vincent. Yeah, yeah, that was great. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm somewhat familiar. And yeah, this has like a legendary status.

And I didn't really understand why people are like, yeah, it's the best concert film. I'm like, all right, is it doing something weird or riskier? I have no idea. To me, the category is kind of unimportant. Like, it is 90 minutes long. It's like feature-length film. It's, yeah, of course it's a film. I mean, what else would it fall under?

I mean, it's shown theatrically shown. So to me, it's like, yeah, that's a film. There's lots of value to be had in it. They're not my favorite band, so it's kind of like not a religious experience for me. like it could be for another type of concert film. To me, the other most famous concert movie would be The Last Waltz, and I still haven't seen that. I don't know.

I've just been holding off on watching The Last Waltz. Have you guys seen The Last Waltz? No. No. Yeah, it's Bob Dylan in the band. Martin Scorsese directed that. So I do feel like having a very famous director is like a good pedigree for your concert film, you know.

because like this movie is just like gorgeous to look at. It is so well shot. It's so intentional with like the camera angles. It feels like you are part of the band the way the camera moves on stage. It's incredibly immersive. And my experience watching was kind of like very relaxing, just getting into the rhythm of the music and hearing a lot of songs I've never heard before. and then of course some classics. The imagery is so iconic.

I mean, David Byrne in the giant suit, dancing with the lamp. So many moments that I've seen, memed and talked about that just seeing it in the context of the film was really fun. And I can't say I connected on like a very emotional level. I just kind of found it like a fun, good hang. You know, like I just had a good time soaking in the music. But yeah, that would change completely if I had a different relationship to the music and to the band. So yeah. Yeah, that's where I'm at.

Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned rhythm. That was one of the things that kind of got me into them to begin with, almost like this trance, like soundscape they create. One of the things I absolutely love about them as a band and David Burns' lyricism in particular, they're quite difficult to unpack. I find them emotionally charged, but not. barefaced I feel like as I get older the more I listen to them the more I can kind of decipher from just one day I'll listen to a song and everything will just click and fall into place and I'll be like oh shit like this suddenly is just right this is like me is my life this is something I relate to this is some profound commentary or whatever um I love that style

what is this beautiful house you're like who is this who is this beautiful wife how did I get here yeah um but adam like you on this concert film idea is it more of a documentary more of a i mean the reason i haven't seen the last waltz and a lot of concert movies is just because like i don't get much out of the experience of a concert movie like this i find like i'm stuck between two things that i'd rather be experiencing one being a concert and one being a movie and the in-between is just like kind of unsatisfying for me where I'm able to be like oh yeah this is a good catchy song you know I I like the talking heads not enough to you know be you know seeking it out not enough to be

revisiting it in my spare time you know constantly or anything you know every every once to a while I'll listen but you know I like their atypical uh time signatures sometimes and interesting compositions. There's, you know, a lot to pick out musically that I enjoy. And in terms of like performance on the stage performance, like the lighting, you know, how there's more people that fill the stage over the course of the show, right? The energy of the show, the dancing, et cetera, et cetera. These are all elements that I really appreciate about the show.

And then separately, I can appreciate certain elements about how it's filmed. But for some reason, just together, it just feels like a less satisfying experience for me than independently. I'm kind of just watching being like, damn, this would be a fun concert to attend. Or, you know, from the filmmaking side being like, oh, damn, it would be cool to see like almost like an album concept movie, almost like, I don't know, Pink Floyd's the Wall or just like a longer music video. I feel like this in-between is just like, for me personally, just it's neither of the things that I want. I want it to be a bit further in either direction. And it's interesting because I really love,

I mentioned on the podcast before that Wolfpack Madison Square Garden concert, right? That's like one of my comfort things to watch. Like, it's incredible. I love the vibe and the experience. But that is, that's like one single unbroken shot of one concert filmed on an iPhone all from the perspective of the stage, including, you know, all of the weird things they do in between the songs, the, you know, the band members, one of their moms, like, shows up on stage gets the crowd to participate in some like

rejuvenating like okay stretch your arms out and twiggle your fingers in the air and watching like the entire fucking Madison Square Garden completely sold out the first independent artist to sell out Madison Square Garden in history watching all of these people be in there in the moment seeing the audience right we don't see the audience and stop making sense until like the end of the film and I you know I listen to the

the feature at some some uh YouTube essay stuff including clips of Jonathan Demi explaining why and that makes sense for what he wanted to do but like just what I what I love about the Volpec thing is it feels like I'm there experiencing the magic of the concert with that crowd even though it's not from the perspective of the crowd but like the entire energy of what it felt like to be in the

moment was there would and I don't feel that in this and I in stop making sense and I don't feel that in like any other concert film that is filmed like a film does that make sense really yeah it makes sense but I feel like in the opposite way maybe I don't feel like I'm in the audience I almost feel like I'm on the stage with them in like a superior way it's like an elevated sense of like the music and the narrative that's coming from it. I was torn, honestly, between this and David Byrne did direct a movie in 86 called True Stories. Quite an unusual film you'd probably get more out of, Adam. Sure. Well, I don't remember that much about it. I just remember John Goodman and a lot of wacky, caricature-ish characters. But shout out to True Stories. I know there's

some mega fans about it out there. But yeah, I feel like I hear what you guys are saying, and it definitely obviously is going to be elevated if it is a band that you're passionate about. The music that you care about is obviously the first and foremost, like, aspect of this movie, like the biggest thing about it. So if you're not like as into it as I am, I totally get my might not speak to you that way. But even then, I feel like, I've shown this to people who know nothing about talking heads or just the obvious stuff, you know, psycho killer and whatnot, who have found things to enjoy about that. production design about the meticulous kind of detail-oriented way it's put together.

You mentioned the escalating stage and how it does start so simple, just David and his guitar for Psycho Killer. With each song, it builds and builds and builds into this huge band. And then once the band is together, each song is then presented in a completely unique way, whether that be the lighting, a costume change, these visual elements. these graphics. There's a lot going on. And it never gets boring to me.

It just completely rushes by, it flies by. I think it's a perfect set list. And it's actually some of the best, some of the best versions of these songs are on this album. It's almost like a best-of album in the form of this movie, this version of what they're presenting. And it's like a nice range, too. It's from a bunch of different Talking Heads albums.

You got TomTom Club in there. You got some solo burn stuff. You've got an Al Green cover towards the end. Super varied. I love all the different stuff it's going for. Yeah, I don't know. And you mentioned that iconography? It is.

Like the approach to that production design, the detail to it. Do you guys have like a favorite song in there? Because to me, my favorite talking head song is making flippy floppy. That's when the like words of text start appearing on the stage at that point in the movie. which to me I've always interpreted as kind of being about the absurdity of the world we're born into and how we have to try and flip and flop our way through it.

And to me that's like one of the first emotional overwhelm kind of songs when that guitar solo's kicking in. Yeah, the star-spangled banner. Yeah, everybody get in line. What a way to open a song. Our president's crazy. Did you hear what he said? Business and pleasure.

Low right to your face, divide into sections and give it away. That is so good. And that the ending of making flippity flopperty trying to do my best, lock the door, we kill the beast, kill it. You mentioned like a religious experience type thing, Jake? And that's kind of what talking heads is to me, especially because there's so much sort of like gospel preacher influence in the music. The way David Byrne presents himself a lot of the time in some songs more so than others, he will present like he is doing gospel. there is something like big and profound and large about it even if it's not necessarily from like a religious angle

it feels like it has history and gravitas as a result but like what are your favorite it's your favorite song in here it's the normie and me but I I really love Psycho Killer I just I love how it opens that's just like all the energy I love it gets you in so simple the guitar and the you know the I just love it Yeah, I just love that energy I was just going to say

The two standouts in my notes Were What a Day that was Yes And once in a lifetime So what a day that was It's not actually from a Talking Head's album That's from a soundtrack He put together for the Catherine wheel

And the version from this I think sounds a lot A lot better than his solo version that's the one where it has like the white backdrop and the band's shadow the cast against it they have these like light masks over their face gives it like a cool vibe um and what was the other one you said uh the once in a lifetime once in a lifetime that's fine yeah that's uh everybody loves that one yeah that was the song that i think got me into them it was like the song i was first shown by them and that.

Yeah. Yeah. Just see it into my brain. Yeah, the chorus of that is so interesting to me musically because the way the melody works, I don't know if anybody will relate

to what I'm saying, but the way that the melody is kind of written, it almost feels like it should be like shifted over one beat in terms of it's so difficult to communicate. But basically the first, however many times I listened to the song,

it was one of those where it was almost difficult to interpret exactly what the song was doing rhythmically, not because the drums were doing anything weird, but because of how the melody was kind of shifted in place over top of the percussion. Yeah, it's difficult to communicate, but it's one of those tracks where it's kind of weird. But it's good weird.

I like things where I'm like actively thinking about them and their structure. Yeah, that's from Remain in Light, which was produced by Brian Eno. Someone else I'm quite obsessed with.

Windows. Windows, yeah. and what he adds as far as that like production the electronic stuff I don't know that was just lightning in a bottle whatever they were doing but yeah I agree with once in a lifetime you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack as Jake said and I really see the kind of gospel presentation in this song in particular that moment where he's saying same as it ever was

where he raises his hand yeah yeah he's like raising his hands he's like convulsing like he's being possessed at certain points. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. And I think I feel about that song in particular, it's about like time. He has these lyrics. Time isn't holding up. Time isn't after us. Just this idea that time will pass no matter what you do. And I guess that speaks to me because I just quite obsessed with the idea of time

and like the flat circle nature of it. I don't know. This is one of the songs that just speaks to me in a different way. Every time I hear it, the order I get, the more perspective. I have absolutely love it. Can I ask you a question? What? Because I always heard like this is the greatest concert movie of all time.

And having seen it, I would like, yeah, this is a very good movie. Like, I feel like it's really well shot. But could you maybe help explain to me like why this movie has the reputation it does as like the concert film? I'm just curious. I guess it's a mixture of the song choice. Okay. It was also like early MTV, right? So some of the creative choices they made were like, we don't want any interviews in here. We just want it to be the music. Okay. That was atypical for the time. We want this to be a own thing. Yeah, it feels a bit more kind of naturalistic. Like they really, they'll let a shot linger if it makes sense for the performance in the moment. Something like organic about it. It doesn't feel like a overly produced Justin Bieber documentary or Taylor Swift or something. It feels sincere. Without the band backstory in there.

Yeah. And the fact that like these versions of these songs are considered the best for some of them. Yeah. And I'd agree. I often listen to it through this album, some of these songs. And it was also made with consideration of lighting for film specifically, whereas a lot of, you know, concert recordings at the time especially, would just kind of like film something

without thinking of how it would show up on film you know like the show and the lighting is there for the audience of the show at the time and then you're capturing that if you can but this was made with the film in mind sort of thing so like there there are choices deliberate in the performance

that are for the film itself basically gosh so it was it was like very innovative for its time like yeah I got the sense watching it. Like, I bet this was innovative at, you know, at the time. But I think now I was like, I feel like I've seen, you know, it's not so unique, I guess.

And maybe that had some influence on how I felt, you know, watching it. But, I mean, the whole time I was just going like, wow, that's, I, the camera is moving so like elegantly behind the scenes and the way it's sinking up with the music. and it's just in such rhythm with the music. It's almost like the filmmaking is part of the, and the editing too is just part of the music itself. It goes hand in hand. You feel like Jonathan Demi's part of the band. Yeah, the music is first and foremost,

that kind of is the narrative. But it's also interesting that Demi hadn't even released Silence of the Lambs yet when this came out. It's like his biggest hit. So it's quite interesting how I maneuvered into getting this made. But they had, I think, six cameras and four nights to do it. And I don't know if you heard Adam on that behind the scenes thing with the director he was talking about on that first night.

They did light the crowd and were intending to get more of the crowd in it. Yeah, I heard that. But it just didn't work with like the style they were going for. It was too distracting. It made the crowd more self-conscious and less dance. and then it made the band perform worse because they got more self-conscious of the crowd. Yeah.

And so then Jonathan Demi was saying he was responsible for the talking head's worst performance. Yeah, yeah. Because that's part of it. It's like there is an infectious energy to this 90 minutes. I don't know how you could possibly stay still watching or listening to this,

like these rhythms, these grooves. So strong. It feels like otherworldly too. Like, they aren't, like, there were times in the movie where I was like, are they even performing in front of an audience? This feels like very staged and constructed. And like, like, yeah, you're just like the audience. You are the audience, you know, they aren't important to see. And I liked that aspect that it just added also to the surreal atmosphere, the feeling that this is like happening in a weird like other Lynchian like realm.

Especially with the way the band's music, it doesn't feel like. 80s band necessarily despite this coming out in 84. It doesn't feel like a time capsule like that to me. The time capsule stuff is like when you see the crowd at the end and some of the outputs and stuff like that. But the actual music itself is timeless. And I think the only shot that was added after they'd filmed was the opening with the following Burns feet.

Oh really? I'm walking out to introduce the show. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that was shot after the fact. I love that. But yeah. Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me as a way just to get it going. Yeah, a little bit of a tangent

But I was gonna ask how do you guys feel about Demi in general like his other films? I think I've any seen three Let's see I haven't seen any of his deep cut stuff Yeah, I'm very I'm like very poorly viewed But I've not seen many of his films I've seen Silence of the Lambs now this I think I've seen some of something wild Yeah, there's nothing that's blown me away He's a filmmaker that I I know mostly because Paul Thomas Anderson is always talking about him as a major influence.

And I'm like, really? I don't know. I don't know. There must be some hidden jump stuff in there. Yeah, yeah, I just don't know. Yeah, he's never blowing me away. You're going to say something out? Yeah, I think I was going to say, for Stop Making Sense, I understand why those choices are made for this film.

And it works well for this film. But, yeah, what I want to get out of a concert movie is just like entirely different. Like the Wolfpack Madison Square Garden thing like I don't even know if I would call that a movie I would just call it like a better experience Like it's a video on YouTube It feels like like a supplemental material to the To the show itself and in that sense like You know to me inherently

Concert movies in general do feel like that like yeah Technically they are a film technically they are a film They have an IMDB page their you know feature length there's intent going into the filmmaking process. You could say the same thing about, you know, live comedy stand-up recording, although, you know, obviously there's going to be huge differences in terms of the level of effort and the level of intent going into these things. But yeah, I just, I really, the vibe, the vibe of that Madison Square Garden concert is just so, fucking magical. Nothing has compared to that in terms of like a concert movie, if we want to call them that.

Really? That's what this is to me. I found myself imagining if I was watching a film that was shot exactly like this or with the same level of intent in craftsmanship, but it was my favorite band, Bright Eyes. I would still feel about the same way. You know, I might be more positive towards it because of the songs themselves, but like as a film, I would still be like, oh, yeah, it's good. You know, I like it because I like the band sort of thing. I like it. I like it for that reason, but also it does have a, it takes like a creative license in ways that I feel like indicate a level of intent and dedication to the narrative or storytelling elements of it that I think are well above.

average to when you think of like the average concept movie sure good kind of example of that to me is um don't know if you remember there's a moment where burn is kind of squaring off with the background dancers and they're like pantomiming guitar playing um that was actually a mixture of like three different performances and the editor elongated the approach to it um like it didn't it was over in a flash in the real live performance but the editing of it extended it, made like a real moment out of something that's just like a flash. And that to me is, that's filmmaking. Like, you wouldn't even think about it when you're watching it, when you're absorbing it.

But there's a lot of that throughout the movie. And one of the more interesting technical aspects with the re-release they did is I'm pretty sure they managed to get hold of the original digital audio files and did a new Dolby. Nice. At most mix, with the biggest change being that when there is a band member in focus or a close-up on them whenever their audio track in the mix will be slightly louder to kind of accentuate them through each cut of them, depending on who's playing. Interesting. I really noticed, because I saw this a couple years ago when they released it in IMAX.

That was like incredible to see and hear it on a screen and hear it that way. It's like hard to recreate that at home, but I still think it sounds great. You have options on the CD if you want the stereo mix or this new Dobby one. So that's interesting to shout out too. I love hearing all the stories of these old prints they had and these like WB lots from like decades ago and they only managed to save some of the film because like a random person would just see it and be like, no, I'm not letting that just being thrown away.

I'm just going to keep that in my garage or whatever. And that's how they find these things. I love that kind of story. Yeah, I've got, I know, a couple of things I'd like to shout out about some of the other songs like I was doing earlier, if that's okay with you guys. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sorry, I just want to dork out on this for a little minute. Please.

Yeah, I started with, yeah, life during wartime. It's kind of this paranoid fantasy song about this, like, a point. apocalyptic hellscape. This was obviously released during the height of the Cold War, so it kind of has that element to it. He's doing the scarecrow dancing and spinning around on the lowered mic. His, like, energy, his physicality to his performance is like endlessly entertaining to me. He's like lying on the floor running around the stage so he can go back backstage and

snort another line. That makes sense. Yeah. There's a kind of Coke. to this film. I just love how no two songs I feel the same visually, not just on a musical level. Shifting into swamp, kind of a heavy sounding song. You've got these shadows against this red background. Another apocalyptic kind of demon sounding song. The whole thing is over the chorus of the high, high, high, high, high, high. I feel like the song's all about clinging to

things that make you high, um, love, drugs, whatever it may be. Um, and these are any things I've like picked up through like listening to it again and again and again and again. Um, I feel like, I note it down and I describe as these songs as kind of like frenzy songs that you can enjoy without necessarily understanding specifically what they're saying, but they do conjure an emotion, uh, nevertheless. Got a shout out, this must be the place. Maybe the best. Maybe the best. love song ever written to me. Mm-hmm.

You got, like, sing into my mouth the whole kind of Fred Astaire lamp, um, ode. I love that, uh, performance there. And he's just dancing with this lamp. Um, that I love the, I've been mentioning all these kind of demonic, dark, satirical, esoteric songs. And this one is quite an honest, upfront, plain love song. Like, it's not trying to be. clever, really, outside of just the natural cleverness of those lyrics, but it's just such a

different vibe when it hits. Feet on the ground, head in the sky, it's okay, I know nothing's wrong. I'm just an animal looking for a home and share the... Yeah, looking for a home and share the same space for a minute or two. It's just completely honest. I was waiting for Demi to like add something to this one on the commentary track. The only thing he says is, man, he loves that lamp. that's where it begins and ends with his commentary there those are fun commentary moments yeah

because unfortunately it's just him by himself as well like ideal you'd have the band there but they kind of fell apart and broke up what if they all showed up one at a time over the course of the commentary yeah that would in 99 I think that would be the only way for it to happen because it was a big deal in uh 23 when they released the 4K one and there was a bit of a reunion at tiff

I'm still pissed I didn't get tickets to that for you. No, it's not your offer. I should have seen it. Like, I don't know how the fuck I missed that. But I was just walking through the streets and saw millions of people wearing talking heads merchants. I was like, wait, what? Wow.

How do I miss this? Yeah. Go ahead moving on to the Ton TomTom Club song, a genius of love, which people might know from a free guy ruining the song. Oh. Oh, damn. sorry. It kind of gives

Burn a chance to go backstage and not only it's not another line, but change outfits. That's when it kind of reveals to the big costume coming out. The TomTom Club song is musically quite different. It's got, you need like a seizure warning

for the lighting in this one where it starts flashing strobe style and you get the iconic Tino. crab dance too. But I like the inclusion in there. Just a couple more here to shout out. Yeah, the suit reveal obviously of girlfriend is better. We have the, again, with the shadows, just a cheekiness as well as the performance and that like organic nature to the way they shot it and edit it together, even though it is like highly edited and clearly thought through. It does feel like an organic performance when he's holding the mic towards the cameraman, giving a little

cheeky smile, so many little moments like that that give it kind of character and personality. And then towards the end, yeah, the Tate Me to the River, Al Green cover. That's when he kind of goes through the band members, shouts them all out. I love how much kind of love is given to, like, the black community through the like cover, through all the backup singers and dancers, musicians, really cool stuff, especially for 84. And kind of wrapping up with the cross-eyed and painless. One of their best songs, another incredibly strong intro, another Brian Eno one. Man, yeah.

Absolutely love it. Yeah. Thank you for nerding it for a bit. Yeah. We enjoy hearing people talk about their passions. Yeah, I had a feeling that maybe you guys wouldn't feel the same way. That's fine. But I'm glad you stuck it out.

Oh, it wasn't like a chore or anything. I didn't not enjoy myself It's just there's like a level of like I guess like detachment Like I don't seek out concert films In the same way that like As soon as I You know Hamilton was like a huge thing that everybody was watching

And then I was about to watch it I'm like oh this is just a recording of the Broadway And then I just didn't watch it because I'm like I just don't have like I'll just wait until they make a movie Or I'll see it on live sort of thing. Like sure, you know, I'm sure there are considerations

made by the director in terms of like you know, how to orchestrate the live filmmaking. Maybe they stitched it from several different performances to get the best bits. Maybe there's considerations for the lighting and how it's captured on screen that were made specific to the film. Like all of these elements

exist. Like I think people shouldn't discredit the work that goes into any live filmmaking because all of it is filmmaking just, you know,

it's just not what I would call a movie. It's, you know, it technically is. It's technically a film or whatever. But it's just not the experience that I'm looking for. And so,

there's nothing wrong with that people. Jesus Christ. Did you guys see the subreddit past few days? Oh, I did. Oh, my God. People started making shit out. They were saying my favorite rapper's

Joyner Lucas. I liked one of his albums and then stopped listening. I've never said that. Don't make things up about me. I'll ban you. No, misinformation I take very seriously. That's a pretty clear line that's crossed. So what did you end up rating it, Adam?

I gave it a five. That's what people are freaking out about. I could bump it up to like a low six. Just remember, like it's very much. my experience, right? And my experience was like very detached. And so that's like the middle. It's like the five isn't like I think it's bad.

It's just like it's like I can't even rate it almost. That's what you experienced. It's your enjoyment of it. It's like it's something where it's like I don't, I don't even know if a number applies because I just, you know. So yeah, maybe I'll, should I bump it up to a six? No, don't let them bully you. Don't let them bully you.

Yeah. I'll stand my ground. I get down. Yeah I mean yeah There's there's I think that within this conversation Especially you know

Like there's There's plenty to appreciate about it And you know I'm not dismissing Other people's love for it or anything Right So

Did you enjoy Remain in Light? So I sent you the record right? Yeah I did Giving that a listen Yeah thank you Of course Yeah I'll be happy as long If this creates one new

Talking Head fan I'll be happy. Yeah. Sure, it will. I feel like one of these days I'm going to fall into a talking heads, like, you know, spiral and I'll just get into all their stuff like in a deep way because I have... It will come to you when you need it most. Yeah, exactly.

It's like, that's the thing for me with music. It's like I can't really force my way into like an artist. It just kind of happens. No. Yeah, yeah. But all the ties are there. All the entry points are there because I, I enjoy David Byrne.

I enjoy this film. I mean, I feel like at some point, I'm just going to dive back in and I'll listen to this conversation again and be like, damn, Alex is spitting facts here. And I'll love it in a totally new way. But yeah, that's the beauty of music that it touches you on a wavelength that you can't even explain. Yeah. You're going to have this experience that is so different from me and Adam simply because we aren't. Exactly. We aren't connected in the same way to the music.

Yeah. Exactly. To, to, um, I feel like music is very much more particular even than film, you know, like that, that, that exists in all art forms that the level of like, how much is this just like piercing your soul, right? And how much is that going to, uh, influence how much you enjoy something, right? To me, music is like mostly that. Like, I'll listen to tons of artists with terrible, like, mixing and production value. Because to me, what matters the most is, like, the composition and the lyricism and the emotion, the passion, the passion through the performances, right? Like, that trumps everything else, right?

Whereas, you know, a lot of music critics and a lot of, like, audio. heads are more focused on the production, right? So to me, they're very different conversations. And some people view movies that way, right? Like some people get pissy at me for talking more about the production elements of film. You know, I would say both come into play with film for me for sure. But yeah, with music, it's almost like, I don't know, like my, it's like trying to recommend porn to someone like, yeah, you know.

It's a good way to put it I mean I feel like with I feel like music's closer to painting And less less close to like Orn can be painting Yeah you know It certainly can But that's something more intimate right

Porn can be intimate Yeah Is it something Are you guys second? No You guys are dismissing pornography I feel like film can be like You can be way more objective

Because film and like Is a narrative art that's like Way more structured and strict for the most part. Like, of course, there's films to be anything. But, like, people, you can watch the dark night

and be like, oh, yeah, that's a good movie. It works. Like, yeah, I got invested in the story. I forgot where I was for two hours, you know, in the theater. And I forgot about my problems. Where they go? It's an effective film. Yeah.

Music, yeah, it's a different thing. I don't know. Also, I might have been speaking with a bit of a bias there because the porn I consume is literally art. There's artistic elements. So maybe, yeah, remember, remember that anybody who thinks that what I said was crazy because I'm not talking about fucking porn hub.

I'm not talking about the shit you guys. I'm not talking about, oh, step sister caught in the dryer. Okay, I'm talking about like actual works of arts. Yeah. I, the normie masterpiece of quorum, step sister caught in the dryer. You know what's really? really weird to me is that the discord audio broke out right when you, Adam, you were saying,

no, the porn I consume is, and then I was just silent. And I was like, uh, what's happening? It's a secret. It's good, thanks. Very ominous. Yeah. That's a good discussion. Thank you.

Thank you, Alex. What was your raising, Jake? Oh, I'm going to give this an eight out of ten. I feel like it's just nice. It's a very good, very good movie. the two stars that are omitted are just like purely my emotional like I wasn't fully locked in

don't think of it as omitting from a 10 sorry to interrupt I mean you can do whatever you want I just people think of it that way they think that there's something wrong with it if it's lower than a tent when that's not the case for me

no no no there's nothing wrong with it no yeah exactly there's nothing wrong with it it's just that I didn't connect with it on this viewing in that waste but in every other aspect, I think it's like kind of, like what can you really pick apart? Like there's nothing. Yeah, exactly. There's like nothing that is being done incorrectly or badly.

Yeah. It's a very well made movie. I'm kind of like, I'm curious in this format what, because, you know, the example I gave Wolfpack Madison Square Garden, there's, that's not really like a production in the same way in terms of filmmaking. It's just they had a guy with a selfie stick and a fucking iPhone, right? And to me, it's more about, like, the experience of the show. And so I'm wondering, I'm wondering what can be done in terms of this format that would make

me really connect with it more, you know? And so I'm imagining things in my head, like, I wonder, would it have to go, like, crazy explicit with the cinematography in terms of like you know fucking gaspar no way's climax right like that's an incredible that's that's an incredible dance piece filmed in one take in a scene in that movie that i fucking love right right yeah so i think that that exists and that can be there that wasn't done in front of an audience but i i think maybe what i'm looking for is maybe something just like a bit more showy and a bit more like of the same take and performance

like capturing the moment capturing the setting I think that yeah the the way things are edited together people are going to hate me for mentioning this but you know I'm I'm kind of particular when it comes to like the the sounds of instruments being accurately reflected in the visuals. And I'm particular about that in non-music films, right?

So in like regular narrative films, someone pretending to play piano or someone pretending to play guitar or whatever. And it's like, okay, to someone not familiar with those instruments, they might be able to see and hear and nothing's the matter, right? But to me

or anybody familiar with those instruments, it's as if they took dialogue from a completely unrelated scene and then stitched it on top of them saying a different sentence and it's like, okay, that's like bad, not only bad ADR,

but those aren't even the same words. And that happens in this film. And it's annoying. So if anybody's gonna call me fucking crazy and gaslight me, I wrote down a timestamp of when this happens, one hour, 23 minutes, look at the drummer, right?

He hits a crash symbol. You hear floor tombs, okay? In a music film, there should be an extra level of consideration for that. That's not why I didn't connect with it. That's just a tiny thing. But that is a pet peeve for me. I noticed that on my first watch too. But it bothers me less and less with each one considering that kind of creative license.

I was getting it. I don't know. That makes sense to me when putting it together that that's going to happen now and again. for like 90 minutes it's not like it's not so egregious there are just like a couple of moments where I might notice it but the overall package the kind of emotional core of it the emotional resonance

yeah is kind of what I prioritize and what makes it work as a whole for me for sure I can't remember if I gave it a rating but it's a 10 for me it gets better every time I watch it I think the remaster's really good yeah watch it

yeah watch it yeah yeah yeah yeah man or you're a dumb idiot you're what I'm saying whoa I'm going there

damn mm-hmm shit questions just keep going five yeah yeah

some questions yeah from the sad on a cast community head over to the suggestion thread over on the subreddit if you want to leave questions for future episodes

just like branch cold 9905 did who said thoughts on uvee bowl wanting to direct to Chris film. I don't think that's real. It's his Twitter post that doesn't mean anything.

Guy's a fucking provocateur. He said a billion things. I'll see it. I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, I'd watch it, I think. How do you guys feel about Chris Chan? Because I, you know, there's like a YouTube series that has documented his entire life or something. He's like the most documented person in history or something like this. I started it like a couple years ago, but I just couldn't hack it. It was just like, I don't know. It just felt like almost too mean-spirited to me. Like I know all the classic Chris Chan things.

I don't know. Some people are really obsessed with this dude. I don't know like the story here. Yeah, that also felt like too much. And Christian or Christine Weston Chandler, who knows, is probably the most confusing example as to like, what anyone should be gendering. So I'm just, I'll say she, I'll say she, because it doesn't matter.

But there is like, yeah, I don't know, people, because her Twitter still says Chris Chan, but we don't, I don't know what's going on in her mind. No one does. And that's part of the fascination, right? Well, I know it's like the medallion, the comic. That's a cursed item. Yeah. That'll curse you

I feel like Chris Chan is an Eddington character I don't Yeah I don't I'm proud to say that I know Virtually nothing about this person And I have intentionally avoided All knowledge In at every turn

Any suggested video Any tweet I'm just like I you know what I don't need to know about this This is not my business I'm just going to look away Leave it to the experts Like you guys

I'll leave it to the experts No yeah it's just it's the most Thoroughly Documented person in history basically Well self-documented I guess They put out so much of their own shit on the internet And then People just Yeah like realize that they could

Manipulate them And so lots of of trolling and lots of feedback for the trolls because, you know, Chris or Christine or whoever would post all these videos and every instance where they are being trolled, you would see, like, they would get such satisfaction from it because they'd be able to see it, right? So, yeah, but it's a mentally ill person. who is being bullied, but there's a big debate as to whether or not, like, they're off limits

because every time someone's like, okay, yeah, they're mentally ill, stop bullying on them. Then people are like, well, they boinked their mom. And so, yeah, and yeah, I mean, like, you can pull any number of, I don't know what's happening in that. head and that's what makes them fascinating but not fascinating enough for me to like be invested in the the narrative of their life why the what would you do with a chris chan movie i don't know especially uva bull what would uva bull do with a christian like it doesn't matter make it expletational probably something yeah i got paul greengrass to do it that would be interesting actually well i just opened the playlist

of Chris, Chris Chan a comprehensive history. And that's going up to 11 months ago, about a year ago. 85 parts, and each one is half an hour to an hour long. Yeah, we're kind of like stuck documenting this person forever now. Like, you can't stop. Everybody is too invested. Yeah, the sunken cost. This is like a channel with 300K subs, and this is like just what they do.

Yeah I would rather see That with Daddy Derek I find Daddy Derek's more interesting Yeah And less like problematic From From like the idea of

I don't know Any number of things associated Is this just like the lull cow genre in general It's the it's the lull cow genre And it you could say it's the lull cow If there was one lull cow It would be Christian But yeah, it's it's a morally confusing and questionable bizarre thing that we're just kind of experiencing that, yeah, I guess I don't, I'm not going to stop anyone at this point, never to have.

I'm just kind of not even observing. I'm just kind of detached and staying doing other things. this one. Yeah. It'll be every once in a while I'll hear an update that was significant enough for me to hear it. And I'm like, oh, interesting. But I don't, yeah, there's no point watching any of the documentaries. Every day I was so thankful that Chris Chan wasn't a furry. I was like, easily could have been. Easily could have been. They're a brony instead. Hell yeah. Oh my God, dodged a bullet. Well, um, speaking of something that Jay, knows nothing about we've got a question here about something Jake's very knowledgeable

from dingus mode 45 kind of a normal question where were you or what were you doing on 9-11 I guess it's like your thing now Jake I'm afraid yeah that's great that's great I mean I was I was born in 97 so I don't I really have any memory of what I was doing I'm told that we just went to the museum we went to the Science Center in Phoenix, and that's all I, I don't remember anything about it. But once I did learn about it, then it changed my life, you know. It unlocked everything, yeah. It unlocked everything.

And yeah, I don't know. How about you guys? What were you guys up to? I was in primary school. Nice. I don't remember, like, seeing, I didn't watch the news wherever I was a kid. but I distinctly remember the reactions of, like, adults around me. Like, one of my friends' moms was, like,

she thought, like, the apocalypse was here type thing. Like, she thought it was, like, game over. She was, like, you know, the character in aliens. She was, like, running around screaming, Game over, man. Game over, man! Yeah. What about you, Adam? Yeah, I was getting ready for school.

And just as I was about to... go to school. I was like, there's, you know, on the TV, I'm like, the plane crashed

to the building. I said that to my mom or whatever, and she looked concerned. It was like, huh? I'm like kind of like, taken aback and I remember there being like a pause,

but like, still went to school. I don't remember if it was the first or the second impact that I saw on the TV. I don't even know if it was, if it was live or if it was just footage of like that, you know, happened earlier in the day and they were just reporting on it. I don't remember the full timeline. But yeah, I went to school and then I remember like when, I guess I was like 10 years old or

something, but when I came back from school, it was like more of a conversation. People were, you know, obviously concerned. And there were things to follow up on. We need some older guests to talk about 9-11, I'm realizing. Yeah. Like we're just like oh we were just a little baby so what do we want people to say that hasn't been said I want to hear the people who were like I I wasn't I wasn't allowed to fly anymore because I was put on a flight list

Well maybe not those people but no fly list here's something I'm I'm not enough for I remember I was able to like go in the fucking cockpit with the pilot before 9-11. Yeah, I did that too they would that's just a thing that they did, they'd be like, hey, kids, you want to see what the cockpit looks like? Yeah. It's like, get in here. So lux. Airports, too. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. You see like any pre-9-11 film, like, oh, my love interest. I'm going to chase them to the gate. Even though I don't have a ticket. Get on the fucking plane without like any ID. Yeah. No security. Bring a sword.

whatever yeah, yeah, there's interesting changes. Yeah, I want to hear from like one of the hijackers we could get them on the pie. Let's see if we can get them on the pod. I mean, that'd be a crazy

get. That'd be wild. That would be a crazy guest. Hell yeah. Reviews would probably be nuts, but yeah. What do you guys think was more culturally change culturally change the world in a more significant way. 9-11 or COVID?

9-11. Really? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Get us a check back in. It would have been a little time. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, like, COVID wasn't. COVID was less of a single event that changed everything and more so a period of time. Sped everything up. that allowed existing issues to culminate faster, right? Like the things that were already there were allowed to fester in a way that had them kind of like speed run during COVID, right? I think that without COVID, a lot of the shit that we associate,

that we blame COVID on would still happen. just maybe it wouldn't have happened as quickly sort of thing. Whereas 9-11 was like a like shifting like, oh, this is the moment. Policies change, media changes. You know, like outlook and vibes change. Excuse to fucking go to war, right? Bush gets elected again. You know, we're invading Iraq for no reason.

like that that that was a very cause and effect right you know i think you're on the money with that uh and speaking of this entire topic i just want to shout out that the big picture podcast um they are doing like a narrative series on uh 9-11 movies like literally my favorite interest talking about like they were talking about like donnie darko and bring it on and like early you know how movies changed after 9-11 I'm like oh this is fucking great so I love that 9-11 is your hyper fixation it's not even my I love that's just becoming my thing just for this podcast because any other it's a cool I mean I guess the anniversary's coming up right we'll have to do a special episode a 9-11 episode yeah yeah the lingering effects of like COVID innovative

itself. Like, I can't blame COVID for people being, you know, crazy conspiracy nut jobs and the internet putting us all into different boxes. Like, sure, that made things happen worse, faster, but that's not, you, you don't blame COVID for that. The existing structure is before COVID you blame. Um, the thing, the things you can. I felt like a straw breaking the camel's back kind of moment. Yeah. It's been building. That was just what made everything snap. Yeah, exactly. Like, look at the movie industry. Like, literally it was like things were already moving in that direction of streaming and fewer sales.

It was just COVID exacerbated that hugely. Yeah, fast-track to. Yeah, and even like, you know, like restaurants and grocery stores and price gouging and inflation, like all of those things were already moving in that direction. Just COVID made things happen quickly and it gave corporations more of an excuse and be like, oh, no, sorry, we have to make this. It's been more expensive. Right. In terms of like actual policy, like the direct like things that happened from COVID, like, yeah, people dying.

That was a pretty direct thing that happened from COVID, you know, the lingering effects of the. It's important to say. Way more people died from COVID than 9-11. That is actually important. Well, unless you're counting the wars that happened. Even with the wars, I actually, what do you mean? No, that you're right.

I think COVID-State. A million people didn't die in. Lots of people died. Yeah, but not. Lots of people died. Lots of people died. That's, yeah. How many people died from COVID in the States alone?

It was like a million. That's wild. It was over 100K in the UK by itself. I'll tiny little island. Yeah. Yeah, I just think it's nuts to go from 9-11. Then you jump to the 2008 housing crisis, throw in a bit of Brexit after, for good measure,

and then top it off of California. Oh yeah, things are bad. No one's having a good time. Everyone's kind of in their own version of shit right now. It's a misery bingo going on over here. Yeah. The 90s really feels like the last gasp of optimism. Like, okay, maybe things will work out.

And then... Yeah, cultural optimism. 9-11 just represents also, too, just like the reality of... No, no, no, no, no. No, things aren't. Things aren't. Things are, it's going to keep getting worse.

Because that's, that's like the meme now with like office space, American beauty, where it's like all these movies about people that were quite comfortable, like just losing their minds. It was like,

that was like the cultural kind of issue. Fuck, I have a nice apartment and I have to buy all this shit that I can afford. Fuck this shit. Yeah. Well, we mentioned a game over man. Puzzle headed web 446

So would you rather go on a date with James Cameron where he takes you on a dive on one of his subs or go on a date with Harrison Ford where he takes you for a ride on one of his planes? Harrison Ford has crashed like every plane, all right? James Cameron has not sung. Yeah, I'm not going with Harrison. I've been on a plane. What do you mean? Yeah, James Cameron, let's do it.

If James Cameron took me into a submarine, I would feel so safe. I'd be like, I'm safer than if I was driving. You know what? I saw a fucking, this is so, I was watching an interview with James Cameron talking about the anniversary of the Titan submersible disaster. He was talking to an Australian reporter. Yeah, yeah, I've seen this. The reporter is asking him, like, what about the safety of going down on a diving? And James Cameron says, the safety, it's safer than if you were to hop into an Uber right now.

It's a thousand times safer. And I'm like, man, I trust you, James Cameron. you, I would go to the bottom of the ocean with you, James Cameron. And you know what? This is totally off tangent, but I just have to mention this to you guys because I think you would find it amusing. He used the most eloquent language to describe what he thought was a farcical situation when the tightness of merciful was in the water.

And he was very annoyed and pissed off at how the media was reporting the tapping sounds. He said they were talking about how there was a reporting of. of tapping sounds in the ocean. And he, of course, says at this point, we all knew. Everyone in the submersible community knew these guys were fucking dead. They imploded. Like, there's just no other shot. The Coast Guard was searching for nothing.

And he was very annoyed that the media was talking about tapping. And he said, the language he used, the phrasing he used was perfect. He said that hearing tapping underwater with all the sounds and the Navy ships and everything would be like hearing a sparrows fart over the cacophony of an airport. He just threw that out there mid-conversation. He just threw that phrase out just like that. That beautiful image. I mean, that's why he's, that's why he's the best.

Yeah. That's why we're going to be that day one for fire and ash. That's why we all three, man, I wish we could see that together. That'd be fun. That would be fun. Yeah. Okay. One more?

I know. Can we do two more? Let's do it. Let's do two more. Double Economy 1401 has our penultimate one here. Isn't spoiler talk part of baby brain syndrome? Like, can a spoiler actually ruin the intrinsic value or enjoyment of a film? I believe the best movies are those that you can rewatch over and over and get more out of every time you see it.

I mean, yeah, in the same way that, like, fucking, you know, being offended at slurs is that you don't, but you still don't call people the N-word. You just be polite, because it upsets some people, right? You be polite because some people don't want to hear spoilers. I'm just going to start yelling spoilers at people and then say, oh, you got the baby brain syndrome. Yeah. You guys see that story about Bill Hader, how he got fired from working at a theater because all these, like, kids who went to see Titanic were annoying him. And so he just told them all while they walked into the theater. Jack dies, Leo dies at the end of the movie.

I think that's funny story. Yeah, I mean, I would argue that my experience with movies, what I appreciate is so much more than just the basic what happens narrative, which that's the only thing that a spoiler can spoil. That's what people spoil when they spoil movies. When I don't want to know anything about a movie, So like the movies that I really care about by like artists that I like

You know I'll I'll plug my ears and close my eyes when the trailers play if there's a trailer before a different movie And I'll like hum in my head looking like a weirdo, but it works Because it's not it's not that I that I care so much about like the narrative spoilers It's just that I want to experience everything in the order that the director intends whether that is narrative specific or you know the style of the film, right? So, like, I, I would consider it as much of a spoiler for someone to say, like, oh, yeah, there's, like, comedic elements in this film where they weren't advertised that way, right?

Like, that, that's also a spoiler. But when, when people get spoiled for things, they're talking explicitly narratively. Yeah, in that, in that sense, I don't really care that much because that's not what I get out of films. But a lot of people only view films in that way, which I've learned over the years, is that they only view it as a what happens and not how it happens, a surprising amount of people. And so in that sense, like a spoiler is literally like you just ruined the entire movie. Yeah. Yeah, I relate to what you're saying. There was a reply to it saying that the only film they could think of where it would kind of ruin the experience or rob something is uh one cut

of the dead which i kind of agree with when you get like one shot really to experience it the way it was intended whereas like if you know what happens in the sixth sense you can still kind of get a base level of enjoyment i watch that knowing the twist yeah although the sixth sense the the twist is a it's a fucking like the reason why that became the twist movie is because it's a really good twist. So that would be one where like if you can avoid knowing that, then that's the best experience. For sure. Yeah, for sure. But that's one I watched

knowing the twist already in it. Didn't really hurt my enjoyment particularly. Right. I sound on this one then. From minimum plenty 6895. Hello, my mirthful movie men. Today I'll be guessing which type of vehicle each of you drive based purely on vibes. Starting off with Adam. Adam likes the color purple horses and Eminem. I love purple too. I think he drives a purple 2025 Ford Mustang.

Since he lives in Canada, it's less than a year old and already covered in rust. And that's okay. It adds character. There are vinyl stickers of Scar from the Lion King on both driver and passenger side doors. Damn. That's a good one. I got douged. Also, it only gets covered in rust if you live in like the snowy parts of Canada.

Vancouver doesn't get that. Vancouver gets like a week of snow. every year and it melts like pretty quick. There's some of years where you don't even get snow. If I lived in anywhere else in Canada, yeah. It's just disgusting. There's no point in washing your vehicle in Edmonton. It's just going to get dirty again.

Yeah. For Alex, Alex likes Madagascar, Legos, and asking why people thinks he is British. Alex has also been giving very Larry David vibes lately. So I think he drives the same car. Larry drives in Curb Your Enthusiasm, a 2017 BMW, BMW I3. Has no special paint job or anything. Alex Chies around eating something called a sausage roll.

British food, I think, while listening to the musings of England's brightest minds, like epic atheist Ricky Chavez. I've got, this is actually fucking crazy, okay? Because I actually drive that fucking car. Oh, wow. No way.

I have for years, too. They must have known that, right? That's crazy. I didn't even get that far in Curb to get him driving that fucking car. I've never mentioned it either. Nice. Fuck.

Isn't that crazy? That's so weird. Same. That's not all. For Jake. Jake likes book learning, having a mustache and watching Michael Hanukkah films with his baby. Yeah. Jake drives the Oscar Meyer WienerMobile.

Jake drives it while reading books. Negligent to whomever is in his path of destruction. The baby sells hot dogs out of this truck to support the family. Hot Dog customers. called Jake and Nadia's progeny the boss baby I had to look up what this is that Oscar Mayer

Weenomobile You don't know what that is Oh that wasn't like a cultural thing in the UK I guess I didn't know what that it was It was a jingle Felt on a horse and cart roads Yeah

You know why we say we're an Oscar Weiner Um Now that's that's a really good guess You know I like the phallic imagery Of the Oscar Meyer Weirmobile You know

It's very like masculine energy which I try to exude at every point at all times. Yeah, just reading books while I drive, accurate, you know, you got to find every time you can throughout the day. So, yeah, that's it. I drive the Oscar Meyer Weiner Mobile. Cool.

That was a good one. Yeah. I can see why you wanted to include those questions. Those are fun. No, that's good. In reality, I drive a boring, boring Toyota car. So it says a good. In reality, I drive a I'm not telling you because I prefer.

Yeah, I'm not going to say specifically. It's a Toyota. I'm not, I'm not, I'll tell people it's a lease. It's a leased vehicle. That's it. Yeah. I like weird, ugly cars. Hmm.

Mysterious. Yeah, I'm not an Nissan Cube or maybe a Nissan S cargo. That's maybe what's next. in my future. I find it looks like a snail. Interesting that you pronounce it, Nissan. Yeah, I know it's supposed to be Nissan or whatever, Americans and Canadians. And Japanese is the country where it's from.

I know, I know, I know, I know. I know, I know, Jaguar and Jaguar and whatever. For years, my dad thought it was pronounced Nike. Yeah, where are we on Adidas? What's the origin? That's not a joke though, Jake. They call it that. Adidas?

Yeah, that's what they call it in Europe. Really? Their headquarters are in Germany, so maybe we're saying it wrong. Yeah, maybe we are. Okay. Founder Adolf. Dassler. Oh.

Jesus. Not a lot of Adolfs these days. Yeah, funny that. Yeah, let's bring him back. No, we're good. Let's rebut, oh yeah, actually we shouldn't. Just leave that one buried, I reckon. Okay.

It's time for a recommendation. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, why you go up? I'm going to preface this by saying it's not a spite recommendation, but you might feel, you might feel like it is. Oh, Jesus. Now, now, now, that's going to be even worse. You might feel like it is.

Okay. But it is something that I think you'll agree. we needed to talk about at one point or another anyway, right? Right. There's a little bit of a backstory. So I, as, you know, a film lover, have seen castration movie Anthology One traps. Yes. An excellent, very interesting film that came out last year.

There are three more movies being made. Part 2 is being released very shortly. If anybody's looking for part 1, you can buy it for like a few dollars on Gumroad right now. Just search it up. Very, very cool movie. The director is a Vancouver local, and I met up with her in the past week.

And she was telling me about part 2. and she gave me permission to say this on the podcast because she's going to be revealing it soon anyway. That part two takes a very different narrative direction from part one. And she described it as having its biggest inspiration being to boldly flee from Doug Walker. What?

Yeah, I know, crazy, right? And it makes you want to check out this fucking franchise I've been talking about. With she said Yeah, it's Part to boldly flee, part Lars von Treers, the Idiots, part 120 days of Sodom,

sprinkling of anora is how she described it to me. As if Salo 120 days of Sodom was directed by Doug Walker. So I'm very excited for castration movie anthology too. But in order to prepare for that, I need to watch to boldly flee. Which I, we were going to want to talk about this at some point anyway, right?

I was thinking you were going to recommend castration movie and I was like, that's fine. Well, that one's longer, actually. But I mean, it's incredible. It's longer than to boldly flee. Yeah, it is. Okay. Yeah. Totally fleas like three and a half hours.

I know. I've never made it to the end. That was a long way to say you're recommending Doug Walker. I told a story because otherwise it wouldn't make any sense. Right. That's where I am. Wow, okay. So I have to watch to boldly flee to get to fully to fully appreciate.

Part two of this weird anthology. Sure. Art house interesting thing. You can hide the spite era recommendation. I mean, this is spite era. This is fighting territory. I mean, this is like them's fighting. How could I watch it without talking about it with you guys?

Legit. That's fine. How could I watch it without talking about it with you guys? Yeah. This is joy era for me. That's fine. It's just you're going to, there's going to be some revenge that will come. Yeah, one point in the future. Well, you already said, you already told me off stream and I won't spoil

what your next recommendation will be. So unless you lied, I think I'm safe for at least another month or two. Maybe I, maybe I'll lie. Who knows? We'll see how I react to this. We'll see how this goes. Oh, you've never seen it? No. No, same. What if it's great? That's true. What are you talking about it? I thought we were just saying earlier that we both love cringe. Yeah, you got that in spades, that's for sure. But I don't think I've ever made it past about 30 minutes of this. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm, I think this is the right thing to do. Because, because the more of a meme, This is The more I keep mentioning Castration movie Anthology One Traps on this podcast, the more that it helps promote a smaller film and a legitimate artist

that is selling their movie for fucking cheap as shit on Gumroad that everybody should watch. So the more, you know, I'm doing a good service here. We're getting the word out. And maybe one day, maybe one day you guys will decide to watch

something interesting instead of a fucking dumb Marvel movie that nobody cares about and is not gonna be important in the next fucking 10 years. So in order to get to the interesting thing, we have to watch to boldly flee. No, you don't have to. I mean, you don't have to. I feel like I, I feel like I enjoyed castration movie anthology one traps so much that I'm willing to watch to boldly flee to get the proper context to appreciate part two. I mean, it is interesting, to be fair, to boldly flee.

It's a lot of things. Yeah. But it is interesting. Yeah. So, sorry, but also not sorry. And I think it'll be a fun discussion. So if you don't want to get spoiled for to boldly flee, a film that, come on, let's be honest, it was going to happen at some point. Everybody wanted us to do this at some point anyway.

Yeah. If I didn't do this today, people would have voted for it on episode two. sort of thing, you know. True, yeah. That's true, just get out of the way. Yeah. You're right. If you don't want to be spoiled.

It's three and a half hours long? Watch it. Oh, my God. Before the next episode, these episodes get released every two weeks. Oh. Extended Lord of the Rings, yeah. You can listen to them early. Go to sardonacast.com.

Sign up. I'm glad I joined. premium. It's only a few bucks. This was a good decision. You can watch it with your baby. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's just, oh, Jake just watches everything with my, no, no. I have to go find time out of my day to fucking... Oh, but you have plenty of time with Marvel movies, so it's fine. You know, if you want to watch this on your...

Whatever way you can, I understand it's a lot to ask. I need the cinema experience. I'm going to, you know, rent out of theater for this. Yeah. By my friends. Well, you guys will have more time off while I'm at Tiff anyway, so. Okay. You can take some time.

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