Sardonicast - Sardonicast 209: Iron Lung, Send Help, Oasis (2002)

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

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Three, two, one. Cosme, ba. I don't want to get copyright claims, so I'm not going to do the whole thing. This is Adam from Sardonicast, and your movie sucks. This is Sardonicast. Hi, welcome.

What's up? This is Alex from I. I'm going to say, was that the bite of 87? Oh, God. Okay. Yeah. I'm so confused.

I don't even. know what the context is for both of your quotes that's that's fine actually both okay both a okay okay okay okay um all right here's my quote i just want to live live you almost got it you have to like slur your words a bit more like you're doing a drunk acting performance for some reason i really i was trying really hard guys just come on i need to win I just want to loop. Okay, that's pretty good. I think that was pretty good.

That's pretty good. I think you could put that in the trailer. It would be no different. Okay, yeah. I mean, lots of interesting line readings and stuff going on. You know, I feel like, Adam, do you want to share? You had quite the momentous situation going, I don't even know how to describe it, not momentous,

but, you know, with your avatar fire and ash review, I feel like people were up your ass about that. What's going on there? I mean, not, it's not that many people. I mean, like, maybe if you're only on Twitter. Let me look at my like-to-d dislike ratio on the actual video. Let's check this out. All right, YouTube studio.

Yeah, let's see the facts. All right, so we have a 95.3% like ratio, which is normal and good. That's horrible. Yeah. So 15,000 likes and I don't know how many, it's asking me to verify that it's me now, which is so stupid. Oh, I have to sign in again. Great.

Thanks, Google. Yeah, no, it's a bit, oh, yes, 15,091 likes to 751 dislikes. So that's, like, normal. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It shouldn't be controversial to say that Avatar Fire and Ash is not a good movie. I mean, not to re-litigate our conversation that we had about it. You know, everyone can go listen to our conversation about it.

Yeah, let's just do another Avatar episode. No. Okay. But I feel like your takes are pretty reasonable, and you know, you do it in your typical YMS way, you know? And it's just like, I don't know what the issue is. You know what I mean? I feel like you have pretty reasonable complaints about the film, which I had similar complaints, too. I just liked it more than you did.

I think if I were a person that was just saying nonsense that wasn't true in any way that didn't relate with people, then no one would be upset. right right so clearly it's connecting and that's why people are upset like the people that don't want there to be any argument against the film for some reason

because they've attached their identity to it otherwise otherwise I have no answer for why people would be upset about someone's opinion on a movie I don't get it I do think the fan base and reception over Avatar 3

was kind of weird because I do think like there's this huge defense Ingeness in general with the diehard Avatar fans that are like we're not like Marvel people, you know? Yeah. But it's like, you know, plenty of you can be like Marvel people if you're, you know, just not going to be critical about the movie. Like I love the Avatar franchise. I think it's cool, but the third movie had issues, you know. Yeah.

And I mean, like the criticism of fan culture goes beyond blockbusters, right? like David Lynch has some rabid fans too, you know? Snyder, yeah. True, yeah. Like entire genres have rabid fans, right? There's nothing about, you know, a movie even being like a box office hit. Fucking Kimba has weird fans. Yeah, so it's a weird.

That's still the funniest one to me. They're interesting. I've never met one in real life. Yeah, are they even real? It might be like a Kimba ball. Big Kimba. Who's funding it? Oh, it's probably in the Epstein Files.

It's connected to everything. Speaking of the Epstein files, David Lynch, no, no, sorry, wrong. Speaking of David Lynch. Speaking of David Lynch, did you guys hear his final script that he wasn't able to produce? Thank you, Netflix, to Unrecorded Night. It's called Unrecorded Night. It looks like we'll be able to read it. They'll be publishing it.

Oh, shit. No, I didn't see this. Wow, okay. I can't wait for Adam Wingard to adapt it. Who? I thought you were going to make a jump about a joke about the Millennia movie. You know, Brett Ratner. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Sure. No, I mean, I was just making a joke about how Adam Wingard keeps getting scripts for things that he can't really handle. Right. He keeps getting IP. Like, he's supposed to remake fucking. I saw the devil. That's a good idea.

For no reason. He did the Death Note Netflix movie. That was also a good idea. Just like not, I don't want him to be doing things with any source material. Really. You know, the thing about, it's weird because the thing about like directors that you feel like keep getting projects and we're like, why do they keep getting these big projects to direct? It's like they're so mid. They like, nobody likes them.

They're just like studio people. And then you realize like, oh, that's why they keep getting it's because they're probably super nice. and easy to work with, you know. Because they do what they're probably reliable with the budget. Like, yes, man. What if we're talking about like, Brett Ratner? Like, I was looking at his last film because I hadn't thought of his name in ages since this news.

And I was like, oh, is that the Rock Hercules movie was his last like big project. That was like 2014 or something. I don't remember that. Yeah, nobody does. Like I legit don't remember it. It exists. Yeah, it happened. I think.

The Rock, Hercules, 2016. 2014? I saw a report Melania, speaking of Brett Redner, I saw a report that in the UK, there's reportedly on the opening day of Melania's release, there was one single ticket sold.

And I just want to ask you, Alex, what was going through your head? I told you before we started not to bring that up to me, man. Oh, sorry, sorry, it was a friend of yours. Yeah, it wasn't me. Okay. There was literally one ticket in Vancouver as well.

Really? Yeah. Which is funny I think it's very funny That Brett Ratner You know clearly You know Just being buddies with the administration

Longtime buddies with You know Trump and Epstein And Melania Directs their movie It's not really a movie It's everybody seems to agree That it's like a bribe

It's a commercial You know It just exists for money He does this thing for them And they decide not to censor him in the Epstein files. Like his face is unblurred. There's like all the new dumps. You just see more Brett Ratner.

I'm like, wow. Like you're not even doing him a favor. Because you're censoring other people that didn't need to be censored. Just Brett, you know, it's getting the short end of the stick. It's just Brett Ratner, Woody Allen, and Nome Chomsky all hanging out together in every picture. Is this world? What is happening? It's kind of surprising that this is a thing that we're seeing

because you'd think that this would be a thing that you wouldn't see, as in that it would be covered up better. Uh-huh. Yeah. The breadth of it. Well, it just kind of feels like they don't need to lie anymore. They're just like, what are you going to do about it? Just like, here's...

Here you go. This is how the world works. I'm curious, like, okay, here... This is kind of like a very political... question, I guess. Well, politics on our show. Adam, come on. That'd be a fist. Easy. How, no, I'm just curious. So if the Trump administration for every other subject, right, every other thing that he's doing, like tariffs, et cetera, he's just able to ignore the law and just be like, okay, well, I'm doing it anyway. And, you know, we've got Republican majority. And they're like,

well, it's okay. He's just doing it anyway. I'm curious what exactly. Existing checks and balances exist that are making it so that the Epstein files are still there and not just deleted Like what? Technically, like on a technical level, like what is what's the reason why we're able to see them and it didn't just disappear? Like, does he not have control over the bodies of government that oversee that right now? Like I'm just so confused about it why we're even able to see it. I mean, I feel like there's just still lingering institutional power with the DOJ and everything. That's like, you know, you can only do so much technically well, you know, especially like it's been a year, you know, of him in office.

It's like you can really only whittle away at the structure so much before it has to answer to something. And also it was like huge bipartisan like support for releasing the bills. I'm sure that there's just, you know, like regardless of. of how much Trump or power Trump has, like he still has to answer somewhat to like the political whims of his party, I guess. In the future, if this is what dismantles the Trump presidency for good,

people will look back and say, all you had to do is not be a pedophile. They find it a little bit too tough, you know? All you had to do is not be a pedophile. You'd have it all. All right. We'll get into movies in a second. Were you guys saying about Adobe earlier?

What's happening? Oh, yeah. We're talking about how we're sick of software just being subscription services now. Yeah, fuck that shit. They kind of like have to justify these updates constantly because of the model, I guess. And it always just ruins everything

and breaks features and so annoying. But yeah, Adobe Animate, which formerly was Flash, I believe. That was the last time I used that software. were. They announced that they were shutting it down. So a bunch of animators started panicking and making videos. Because they were moving some kind of AI solution to fill its place.

They have since canceled it. It was just a wild thing to even attempt. Yeah. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. That's too bad animation isn't cinema. You know, otherwise that'd be a problem. Yeah, it's just for babies is the thing. Yeah.

I've seen now, what, like three out of five of the animated noms so far for this year? Elio does not deserve to be on any list. That is a weird one. Dog of God was a great animated movie that the Academy didn't watch. Boucher, that was great. But I wouldn't expect that to get a numb. Here's a question for you guys. Do you feel like, especially with Adobe trying to cancel Flash and all that stuff,

Do you feel like animation is becoming more democratized as a medium and more available for people to work in? Or do you feel like with the way the corporate structure and everything and people moving towards AI and all that, do you feel like it's becoming more inaccessible and more niche that like fewer people will be able to make animated films? I mean, it seems to be trending towards being more democratized. And I mean, like there's other softwares, you know, like Blender's a free program, fucking Flo won the Academy Award with it. Right. I also don't think it's a coincidence, though, that most of the films of quality come from Japan or France who either have a cultural respect for it or actually subsidize and support and respect the outform in some way, you know? Like, I haven't seen, is Arco French?

Because that's not out here until like March or something. There's something really strange going on with release states over here because Nirvana, the band, the show the movie as well, doesn't even have a release date in the UK, really annoyingly. So I don't know when I'm going to be able to see that. Yeah, no. Hopefully you'll get it on the 20th or something. If you want to, you know, go to fucking... Where is it? Is it Glasgow.

There's like a film festival. Yeah, it's Glasgow Film Festival. It's playing Nirvana the band at the end of February. If you want to go to Glasgow. I'm hoping you get to see it soon. Jake, you better watch it next week. I swear to God. I'll try.

I'll try. I do want to see it. Arco is made by some people with some very French-sounding names. But oh yeah, no, it looks French. Okay, cool. It looked quite French to me. Can you pronounce them? Can I?

Can you pronounce those names for us? I'm not confident about these, so I'm not going to. Okay. We'll see. It looks like it's a lower age demographic than I would like for it. Yeah, I'll check it out when I get a chance. Yeah, fuck Adobe. Yeah.

Honestly. Yeah. they're notorious. They've been just awful forever, but the package is just so, I don't know, I use Photoshop every day, I use audition every day, I use premiere every day. I'm thinking I should, yeah,

like, that's a lot of money. They charge an obscene amount for their software. Do you do the hack, though? What do you mean? Like, I don't know why they let you do this, but every year if you go to cancel it, they just say, oh no, you can have

this much car for it every month for the next it. Yeah, I should. I just do that once a year and it makes it a bit more affordable. That's so funny. I should do that. Yeah. Oh, please come back. So, before the podcast, you guys were saying this thing about Adobe and then I was like, wait, do we want to just start recording? And then Jake says, oh yeah, just monetize everything. Everything's content. And, you know, although there is like a bit of a switch in my brain that, you know, thinks of things in that. I'm trying to learn to not do that as much. But I'm bringing this up because before we started recording, I saw like Mr. Beast did an interview and he was talking about how the first, his videos that blew up, the counting to 100,000, he said he came up with the idea because he was watching Game of Thrones and Naruto and thought to himself,

This is a waste of time because I'm not making money doing it. And he thought, how do I make money doing this? And so he counted to $100,000 while he was watching that and pretended he wasn't watching anything. So Mr. Beast has that for it. Like he's got a problem. I mean, there's no one like him. There's no brain that works like that. I mean, it's just that's why he's the best.

That's why we love Mr. Beast. He's the hyper extreme. Yeah. He's got negative concepts like channeled into the super algorithm boy. I mean, Adam, how do you? do you expect to get 100 million subscribers without thinking like that? You know what I mean? You have to be on your ground. I mean, yeah, exactly why I'm not getting 100 million subscribers. Why are you making like five-hour Lion King breakdowns when you could be just counting numbers

while watching Naruto? Just try that. Yeah, well, you can't do it the second time. You can't rip him off. Also, look, I'm willing to be in your videos if you want to torture Alex, you know, if you want to bury him alive. and I can be like the hype man. Yeah, fine, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Put them in all sorts of hijinks, shenanigans, yeah. Yeah. Have like a sniper try to shoot them.

Like that's something that Mr. Beast does, I think. I'm pretty sure. Like, most dangerous game type of stuff. Some people just have that brain where, like, they're in the money mode forever. And it doesn't matter how much money they have. And it's just an addiction. and the more money they have, the more they use it to hoard it from other people

and prevent other people from having money. So it's like, you know, after a certain point you can't... You're describing all the most powerful people in the world. I know, it sucks. It sucks. And apparently when you earn a billion dollars, it also turns you into a pedophile. So I think we should probably put a cap on it. That's the one thing they don't tell you about making that much money. I mean, it might be the thing to help stop it.

We'll see how many people just decide it's fine. Yeah. You would think, right? You'd think that would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Yeah, I don't know. Marketplayer. Kind of a timely topic. Oh, no.

Oh, yeah, Markiplier. Sorry. Not timely to Marketplier. Sorry, sir. No, okay. Jake, did you not catch the bite of 87? Have you never heard that before from Markupino? No.

No, I've never seen Markiplier's videos ever. Oh, interesting. Okay. So did you even know what an iron lung was before, well, you know, the game. I watched the film and then afterwards in my recommended feed, I saw a Markiplier play Iron Lung for the first time on his YouTube channel and it was kind of interesting seeing like the genesis of, you know, his creative process basically. How long was it? It was like 30 minutes I think. Him playing the whole game? Yeah. Was it like edited down? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It looked boring

as shit. Like I had to go through big chunks of it because he's just like, it's a very minimal game. He's just like looking at a chart and then moving numbers around. Yeah, it's like a tiny little indie game. That's like the whole appeal of it. I managed to play it. Even though my arms are goofed, I played it with my feet. Oh. Because it was only like an hour. Well, it took me two hours, but I was, I had some brain farts about what was going on at first. Yeah. Okay. But I'm glad I played the game before watching the film because not only was I less confused about what the fuck was going on, but I feel like I got the intended experience of the story through the game much better than the film was able to communicate.

I mean, you know, maybe a different director could have, but I just, there's so much about it that just it doesn't make sense to translate into a film playing the game. I just, I was thinking, why would you choose this to make a movie out? But, you know, it's resonating. with some people. Can I give a quick overview from my perspective so that you guys can correct me

because I know you guys know probably a little more about the game and marketplace. Okay, so my understanding of it, okay, this huge YouTuber market player, he plays an indie game called Iron Long, and he's already made some films right through YouTube or stuff. So he's like been making stuff,

but not at this scale. He got inspired by the game and then he makes this game on like a $3 million dollar budget, correct? And then he doesn't promote it at all, basically, except through his channel of 38 million subscribers. Yeah. And then it comes out and it is number two in the box office only to send help and make,

immediately is like making a ton of money because it was such a low budget. People are seeing it and like it's a huge win for Hollywood because it's an independently distributed film, right? This is what we're all happy about, correct? It's redefined indie cinema, yeah. A huge win for Hollywood. A huge win for Hollywood or for indie filmmaking? I mean, that's what you said.

I was, you just said a huge win for Hollywood. Oh, okay. No, Hollywood is scared. They're scared of Markiplier. He's a scary guy, right? Yeah. He's a scary man.

Okay. So I have the basic facts. Yes, it's quite different to the, um, Chris Stuckman's movie response where that was still a fair, you know, it was a success, um, but critically in the, I guess the fan base size is just, dwarfed massively It's huge. That does affect things.

If you if you like go in a random room of 30 year olds and just say markiplier 90% of them are even more are gonna know who you're talking about like even if they don't watch his shit they're gonna have heard the name right and so I think just yeah

I think hearing the name is enough to get people to watch it being like Oh, a thing, somebody made a movie named Markiplier. I remember the name Markiplier. It's literally on the poster, yeah. It's not Mark Fischback. It's Markiplier. You know, kind of telling to me.

It's kind of funny. I mean, it works. It's a good money thing. Like, do what you got to do. But, like, yeah, it got butts in seats. It did. Advertising. Like, all the hardest part is kind of, like, covered by Markiplier.

of like getting your film out there like he it's his production company he like funded it so yeah there aren't the normal yeah barriers to getting eyes on your film that normally are and the you know the slight recognition of the game already existing it's not like a

truly original story there there's a lot of like kind of YouTube SCP kind of energy around this story in this game yeah did you play the game no it's not really my thing I've ever I've watched the video.

Sure. Well, okay, so the best I can describe for why the game... Wait, wait, real quick. Can I do this real quick? Yes, you can. Okay, okay, okay. I just want to guess what you guys are going to rate it, okay? Okay.

Well, I'm not going to say until the end. Adam, you're going to give it a three out of ten. Or, no, four out of ten. And Alex, you're going to give it a six out of ten. Okay. All right. I'll hold my tongue. All right, now share what you thought.

Okay, so the best explanation I can give for why the game has such a big fan base is because A, it's great at atmosphere. Like, it has really good sound design, you know, as you're playing it, you definitely feel the tone, very tone-heavy. And, you know, also people are kind of starved for like an Eldritch, horror type thing. There's not that many of those. And I think in some sense,

people kind of take what they can get, especially when adapted to the big screen. And also, the game has a bit of lore. You know, when he's like typing on the computer, in the game, you can just access things on the terminal. And it's kind of like you don't have to do it to beat the game.

It's there for people who want to, you know, fantasize and imagine about the world outside. of the very minimalist map that the game has, the minimalist setting. And that's cool. And, you know, in many ways that works because your imagination can do a lot more effective work in that sense, especially for horror genre-type things where you're, you know,

the unknown is kind of scary. The gaps in information are kind of scary. The question of why. So, yeah, in that sense, I did enjoy the game. It did kind of feel like almost like a proof of concept than a fully fleshed out game. But, you know, it's cheap made by very small team. But yeah, it was good for what it was.

I really think that it did a great job with tone and sound design especially. Okay. And just the nature of it being interactive kind of makes it scary. Yeah. Like the scariest games I've played, I find are scarier than most of the scariest films

I've seen just for that alone. Well, like, it won't progress until you, are actively doing something. Yes. That is something that is definitely lacking from the film. The interactive nature

did make me more easily startled because the way that you control the ship and the way that you navigate is kind of intentionally tedious. You know, it's not just like,

oh, move forward with joystick and you're just controlling and you see out the ship. No, like the whole blood ocean is an excuse for why you can't see out the ship and you have to plot out on a map and rotate and then be like, okay, 300 longitude, 500 latitude, I don't want to hit the wall

and then maybe you take a picture to see if there's something in your way sort of thing. I don't know why the things at the back of the ship maybe I guess because the radiation or whatever. But the tedious nature makes it so that when you get focused on something, because you actually have to engage and be focused on navigating, it makes the surprise kind of startling moments actually startling because

you're not fixated on the anticipation of something happening. You're fixated on the navigation and it distracts you and then genuinely startles you. There weren't really any jump scares in the movie anyway, so it's not like it was, I guess, trying to replicate that feeling exactly, but it was something that, you know, not really possible to translate into live action, even if you do try. Okay. How'd you played it around the time it came out or in prep for this film? In prep, right?

Like a week ago. Yeah. Okay, okay. Because I remember, I first heard about this game during the Ocean Gate disaster. Yeah. Sales like went nuts for it on Steam or something around that time. And that's what brought my attention to. You're saying Markiplier planned Ocean Gate?

Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't put it past him. Ocean Gate, gate. Yeah. Okay, so the game sounds like it's pretty cool. How did it work as an adaptation? Depends what you're looking for.

To me, not very well, honestly. Like, the atmosphere and tone were not really there. The sound design was not there. And again, like, the game is, like, you know, really small team. from what I understand, like way lower budget from what I understand. And the sound design in this film, it's like they were trying to cover everything up

with this overbearing, like, epic soundtrack that was just insisting so much throughout the entire film. And then during the scenes where the soundtrack wasn't there, like very infrequently, and you actually heard the underwater sound effects, it was pretty identical to like underwater tenets, 10-hour help you sleep sound effect. Like, it, like, it didn't feel atmospheric.

It was just like, oh, okay, like bubbly kind of noise in the background. Like, it was literally just background noise without much purpose or intentionality. Maybe it was royalty-free, right? You know, I guess that this is a pretty small budget. But, like, at no point did I ever feel in this entire movie that he was actually in this vessel, right? It always felt like a set. The film translation of it, it's way more spacious. There's a couple shots in the film where because of how they framed it, you can see like, okay, dude's got a lot of room. Like, he's got, he's got plenty of walking space. When you didn't

even need a different set. You just needed to use different lenses and frame it differently, right? Like, it's a part of the filmmaking process. You can make things feel more, more clostom. than they are. And it was just, it was pretty inconsistent in that sense. You saw the cracks in a few different shots where I guess they kind of just forgot. It never felt like even with the, them going to the surface and him talking to those people up there and they're wiping the blood from the window or whatever, you know, the journey from down below to up top or the journey from up top to down below, it never really felt like he was going to the bottom of a blood ocean.

It just felt like, okay, yeah, like a few seconds have passed, like you're going a few floors on an elevator. And it just feels like a room. It never sells its premise of the atmosphere, at least to me. I just, if people were able to get that, then great. But, like, it's just not escaping what feels like, feels like a YouTuber film. It feels identical to something that could have been premiered and

released only on YouTube Red back in the day, maybe with just a higher age rating. But in terms of filmmaking, like... We could put it on his channel. Literally, yeah. Like, I mean, congrats. People are seeing it. Some people are enjoying it. A good amount of market player fans are enjoying it. Even people that aren't fans of him seem to, you know, some of good amounts, seems to, you to be enjoying it, but like, yeah. Yeah, to me, it's just, it doesn't really feel like it passes the threshold for what I would expect for a movie and a theater that I could see. I think it's an okay first effort considering this is first directorial and writing and

like major acting role. It's a, it's kind of a big ambitious thing to do, um, to like cast yourself and be that committed to the bit. Um, but to me, you mentioned, long the gamers and that's my biggest critique of it is like why is this two hours and five minutes oh yeah it's like there's like an hour maybe i think there'd be an okay movie or like short or something in here if you like chopped the fuck out of this like brutally like just go in there and rip it to shreds because uh i i haven't been as bored in the theater for a long time i was quite happy that

my local had installed some kind of newer comfy chairs nice it gets sleepy um real sleepy because of, and you need subtitles as well because it is mumbly and confusing. And the audio mixing. Yeah, the audio mixing didn't help. Because, I don't know, there is something kind of likable about the concept to me. The whole like Weeping Angels kind of concept of that button that takes the x-ray. There's something there. There's something kind of cool there.

The imagery of like the bones and these weird like faces and it is cool. But they barely scratched the surface of the horror they could explore. with that. The game did it better is the problem. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, you're not adding to any, this film doesn't justify its own existence in any way other than

Markiplier made a movie. Like, that's the existence of the film is Markiplier made a movie. Yeah. I don't know. I was, I was expecting to be distracted by him more. Sure.

Like, I feel like it could have been okay if it was, like, tightened up or just have more to it. I was, because it is a bottle movie, as you said. It's this one environment for the whole thing. That's supposed to be the point. He's, like, welded in to this submarine. But God, I was craving for some other perspective. And every time a kind of surreal thing happens and you get like a different environment, I was like, oh, thank God.

Children. Yeah, but then you get the child acting. A tree. What were those about? It was like a flash leg. Ah. Yeah. Because about an hour of it has to be like fleshed out, trying to flesh out this character.

which was, you know, the more generic stuff of the prisoner being put down there and like, I wasn't actually guilty, all this kind of angle was like very dull to me, whereas it could have focused on that atmosphere and made that the key component, I agree with you. It kind of goes some interesting places with the set towards the end, but my patience was so worn thin by then that when you're getting the gallons and gallons of blood, it doesn't really, I was just kind of tired by then. Yeah, it's numbing, just detached.

Okay. Interesting. I'm going to push back gently on something you said, Adam. Sure. Which was that you, this wasn't of a quality that you would expect to see in a movie theater. And I'm going to share my opinion on the movie here in a second, but I do think that that perspective kind of needs to go away if movies, theaters are going to survive at all in the future, honestly. Like, because... Oh, come on.

Everybody... Because I do feel like, yeah, while it is lower budget, and you can definitely feel that it's a lower budget, there are movies that you've seen in theaters, you know, art house films that have lower budget than this, but they have an acceptable aesthetic of, you know, art house cinema that to look that way, it is okay and good to see in theaters. However, this film, because it is trying to look more like a bigger budget film, but it doesn't really reached that aesthetic, it's just an attempt, then it's like, well, this shouldn't, you know, this isn't of a quality for movie theaters. I do think that movies like this, and this movie,

let's say, like, it reminded me a bit of a shutter original, you know, and that's not to disparage shutter originals. There's lots of great horror films and low-budget films being put up on shutter, but I think, like, I would be thrilled if more shutter originals were put up on the big screen, you know, I think that to expect everything to have a certain cinema, uh, aesthetic quality that we expect of the big budget films to have that kind of quality on, on the same screens. I feel like we're doing us a disservice. Do you know what I mean? I know, I know you mean. I, I'm going to push back a little as well. Um, because I don't, I don't mean to gatekeep, obviously, you know, I've been championing castration movie, right? And you, yeah, that's an art house film

example, but I don't think that a look of a film should deny it from being in a movie theater. But I, I, you know, I think my criticisms are valid with how it looks because that comes down to intent, right? So a film like, you know, I'm just going to say castration movie, but we can name a million of them. We could say inland empire, right? Like, it has a look that's an intentional look, and that's how they wanted it to look, right? My criticism. My criticism, with iron lung It's shot on a red, right? Which which makes it worse than if it weren't, right? Fucking upstream color was shot on like a G a G H2 like an ancient like

Ancient mirrorless photo camera like Panasonic LUMIX, right? It's about what you do with the equipment and And, you know, if this very much is trying to present itself as like a movie feature shot on a red. And, yeah, in terms of things that I would expect from what this is trying to be, it doesn't pass the mark. It doesn't, it doesn't quite get there. That's true, actually. So without completely, you know, I don't. think it shouldn't be allowed in a theater, right? And even, let's say, non-arthouse films that,

you know, look silly, like, who killed Captain Alex? I saw that in a theater. That was awesome. I'm glad I saw it in a theater. Yeah, I think anything should be allowed in a theater. I just, yeah, maybe that's what it needed was to kind of lean into and embrace that kind of lo-fi style a bit more like the game, you know? That's kind of what's cool about the game. That would be actually nice. Yeah, yeah, and consider that with the camera. That's one of the, the big things that like struck me about this movie where there were sequences where I could enjoy it and go like, oh, there's some, like there's a moment where a little squirt of blood comes through the crack in the window and splashes on his face. And I'm like, that's a nice little like creative moment. Like that's expressive and interesting. And there were plenty of moments like that in the movie where I was like, you know, pretty, I was entertained. I wasn't like falling asleep. But, you know, there was a mixture of that along with this tonal imbalance that was. really hard to like reckon with because on one side it did want to be like this indie horror vibe, you know, where it's like metal and like grimy and uncomfortable. But also with this performance from Markiplier that is trying to be like Harrison Ford, you know, in a way. Like he has quips. He's saying like, oh, fuck me. You know, like during like multiple times, you know, like he's like no, fuck that. Yeah, like I'm gonna ram him. You know, just like funny quips. That's like, I'm going to wreck him.

Yeah, like, to me, that was, like, the biggest issue where it's like, okay, I get, you're trying to, like, satisfy two audiences here that it starts to feel like you're not really reaching either of them completely. It's kind of like a half-hearted effort in that sense. And look, I will say, like, this is a super challenging project for anyone to do well, I think, because it is like a bottle movie. It's one performance. You're relying on a single person's face the entire time to carry you through the entire movie. And Markiplier is not like, you know, he's not known for his acting abilities, you know. And the fact that he was able to carry me through most of it, you know, that's, I applaud the effort. But I do think, like, you can still tell when, like, raw talent of, like, one of the best actors is on screen, you know.

And he, he just couldn't pull me in through that movie. There was something kind of like inauthentic in his performance a little bit. He, from the very beginning, there's a lot of, you know, you know, sighs and little grunts. And it's like, you know, to stay in that the whole movie, it's kind of tricky. And also like he's either like whispering or yelling his dialogue, you know, like the tone in inside the iron lung is very like melodramatic and high the entire time. So, yeah, it's just like tonally. was my biggest thing. That was the thing pulling me out of it. Yeah, it is, it's a huge performance issue. Like, Leo won an

Oscar for grunting, right? With the Revenant, it's not the fact that it is like grunting or minimal dialogue or anything that's happened. I mean, the script is bad too, but, you know, he, he, he does this thing throughout the film where, where I had to think about what his intentions were, with this consistent slurred speech kind of drunk performance that he was only giving certain during certain moments and giving consistently enough with a certain emotion and I had to realize, oh, his intention is that he's trying to sound like choked up. Right?

It's like during like an emotional like, oh, I'm sad sort of like, I believe that that's the intention. But his performance, I just want to live. Like that, not just that line, but lines surrounding it, and it happens multiple times in the film, it is not convincing at all. It's not just unconvincing. Like, it's bad. It's misguided.

It's in the wrong direction. And although, yes, I completely agree. Very, very ambitious to be writing, directing, and starring and just have this passion project and put it out to the world, you know, and put it out open for criticism, right? Ambitious, brave, great. it's also, you know, a little overconfident. There's also some hubris going on in terms of what you're able to offer, right? I think artists, great artists, have to be able to know when and where they need someone else to pick up the slack, right? And that's a thing that you discover by doing, right?

perhaps this project will inspire Mark to be directing other actors in the future, right? One of my biggest criticisms with the album that I released was the mixing. That's something that I'm going to be paying a lot more attention to on my next project because, you know, that criticism is valid and I can, you know, it's not my strong suit. I'm better at composition, right? So, yeah, in the same vein, you know, if I think Chris Stuckman's film, was really weak in the story in particular, right? Like the script needed to be refined.

Yeah, the performance was really bad. And I don't like the people that dismiss it as, oh, it's only because you're familiar with him as market player. I mean, like, not really. I didn't really watch his stuff, right? Well, that's like you can say that about any actor that you're familiar with for other projects, you know? You're used to like switching.

Like if you've seen a face ever. Yeah. It's kind of the major difference with these recent YouTuber movies, right? Is that he's in it. Like Chris Stockman took a step back. The Racco Bros. They're not in it. I mean, it's different.

It's in the opening credits, right? When you, when you, with the digital clock font and like the epic music and it's like directed by Markiplier, I'm like, okay, well, you know, that's more of a, We premiered it on a YouTube channel and it was produced by YouTube Redder Premium sort of thing, right? Then an attempt at like, oh, okay, this is a late. It's trying to be both things at once. It's confused and trying to have its cake and eat it too in a sense. Yeah.

It would objectively be better if you just splashed for a character actor to sell it with all these restrictions. But then at the same time, you probably knows that it wouldn't be the success it is right now if you did. do that. Sure. Yeah, maybe this is just like the jumping off point he needs to be able to prove that he can be a theatrical success. And then next time, he'll get producers and distributors in an advertising budget. Yeah, and that's why I don't get too upset about it. Like, I've seen much worse first time, like, pictures from someone, you know, like, it's better than Space Cop. No, it is. It's literally, it's literally better than Space Cup. I've never seen that one. I've only seen reviews of it. I've ever seen it. Okay. Well, it's better than Space Cop.

And I love red letter media So nobody can say like Oh yeah, you're just doing it because you hate Markiplier or something like I want people to do a thought experiment right I want everybody who ever watches something Right especially something that feels as personality Driven as starring in it

And having your you know YouTube name being in the credits Whether or not you love or hate the person that made it Right if you have strong or even medium feeling in any direction, but you have an opinion of them before going into it. And you either enjoy it or you hate it. What you need to do is a thought experiment to just keep yourself in check. I would encourage everybody do this. Imagine it was made by somebody that isn't very well-liked, right?

If it's a well-liked person, imagine it, right? Same movie, right? Same performance, same direction, except it's made by pirate software, right? Think about whether or not you would enjoy that film or whether or not you'd be clowning on it. And I'm not saying everybody is doing this. I'm not saying everybody's biased. I would like enough people to be checking with themselves just to make sure. Because I feel like I would have the exact same experience with this movie if it was made by pirate software.

I feel like I would give the exact same rating to Shelby Oaks if it was made by pirate software. Right. Like to me, I'm like, I want to encourage, you know, judging and engaging with the art and not letting that be clouded as much as your, opinion of the artist beforehand, but it's kind of difficult because, you know, you see time and time again, if somebody, you know, does something problematic or whatever, people will kind of retrospectively shit on their work and be like, it was always bad. It's like, okay, well, like, you know. Well, you know, Kevin Spacey's always been a bad actor. Everyone knew that. But I see, I know what you mean, but it's like, this is like humanly impossible. Like, you can do it to a degree of like

trying to be objective about it, but like, there are so many people who are watching this going, like, hey, it's, if this is like an original type of movie, you know, self-funded, like, this is cool. And we're happy for, for movie theaters that this is happening and that someone is trying something, you know, and it's like, we like Markiplier as a person. Like, that's, of course, going to influence it. Um, I do think that people generally are kind of like having a good time. I do think, feel like people are, um, satisfied with the product, even if it, it may not feel exactly like a regular Hollywood film. It's better than mercy, you know, it's better than this. Probably, yeah. A hundred million dollar slop that's been coming out, especially this

time of the year. Um, it feels like some passion went into it. And look, there are like, there are interesting camera angles and shots and choices in this movie to try to make it feel dynamic inside this one single location, you know, I like when they're out of the water and there's like a little blood drop let's coming down the window and they have to keep wiping it during their conversation, you know, like, There are little things that work and lots of things that don't. It's really like a mixed bag to me. And like you were saying, like, we were going to talk about the script.

Like, the main issue with the script is that it is just kind of like, and this is hard with any, any movie when you're trying to like dole out exposition. It's how much do you need to explain about this and how little do you need to explain about this? And it kind of over explains obvious things like the radiation. You know, he takes a photograph of the people when he's up in the lab and they keep talking about it over. And he goes, oh, sorry about that. I didn't know that it was a radiation camera. And it's like, yeah, they explained it for like 10 minutes, right? And then later on in the movie, things that needed to be explained a little bit more,

which didn't help with kind of the muddled sound design with the voices. Yeah. But it's like it's a, it just needed some clarity of like what is happening in this exact moment, you know, what is his objective? And that would have benefited it greatly. It was very confusing. Yeah, very simple things. But, you know, still like,

hard to figure out, you know, especially on this scale. Yeah. I mean, for a movie that repeats information so much, it really should not be this incomprehensible. It gets really confusing. Somebody made a post on the, like, there's an iron lung movie subreddit, which has like a bunch of people on it, which is fascinating. And somebody made a post like explaining as best as they could. And it started out with, on my first watch, I was very lost and confused. and they talked about how they saw it in a,

they literally saw it in theaters three times and then had their best, like, best understanding of like what the hell was going on. Which is funny to me, right? But it's a, you know, I'm glad that somebody enjoyed it enough to do that and help people out, you know? And ambiguity's good, like, if you're going for that, like, it's going for that cosmic horror element

and there's some of that, that's intentional for sure, but it's like not all of this was intentionally ambiguous and you can't really play it off as such. I really don't think that was the goal. I think it was trying to be very clear about what the ending was implying, you know? Sure. And I mean, yeah, ambiguity can be very effective,

especially if you're being entertained and engaged in the world. And you're, you know, like ambiguity works especially well with intrigue. If the audience is wanting more information and actively thinking about the world that it's created, but it's very difficult to get an audience to do that if it's so stagnant, if it's so stale, if it's so repetitive, if it's literally just like, okay, Markiplier is talking to himself and sometimes the radio in a room. Some loud music happens and everything's pretty much the same tone throughout the entire movie. And the tone is like, it's intense, but we're staying at this exact same level for pretty much the entire movie, give or take, like one out of ten points.

And then every once in a while he goes to the back of the fucking room and presses the scary picture slideshow button and that's it. And that's the whole movie. Right? Like, it's over two hours. It's kind of difficult. Kind of difficult if you want to be vague especially. Right. I just, there's so much wrong with this.

Yeah, it can't maintain it. And when it has like tension elements like the oxygen bar that's depleting. And I guess it's minor spoilers, but there's a point where it goes back up. And I was just kind of like, why did that happen? No, the second when he starts questioning the reality of the situation. then it's like, okay, like, you can't really do that for the rest of the movie because then it's like there's no more stakes. Then it's just like magical anything could happen, you know? Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, that's tough because like, yeah, while this cosmic core stuff is interesting, like visually and thematically, like you could tell that's like where his heart is with this narrative.

It also wants to be kind of like this James Cameron underwater action like, oh, there's a fire and we got to, you know, go get the black box and now we're sinking and all this stuff. It's like if you're going to have that but also like oh what is real what's going on You know you need to kind of like pick one or the other person at some point in in the movie and and again like just the ending while there was cool shit going on I was really not to spoil anything I was really into like the kind of the what was going on at the end of the film We can spoil it You know spoiler section everybody spoilers There's lots of blood It's good blood filling up it's cool it's a lot of blood yeah the body horror

stuff was more fun. The body horror. Melting to the pipes and stuff. Yeah. I was more, I was kind of, when I started getting that, I was like,

where's this been? Like, this is kind of what I was hoping for from this. Why couldn't have we done this sooner? Yeah, exactly. Instead of like flashbacks to the kids and like a tree that like, man. Okay.

Yeah, because I was actually kind of into that navigation scene where he was stuck in the tunnel and trying to figure it out. That sequence was kind of fun to me. I just wish it almost just like started there or something. Like, just fast forward this shit. I didn't need all the preamble and like Jack Septukeye on the line. And yeah, it was a bit much.

Was that Jack septa guy? Yes. He played someone called Jack. Yes. I think actually is it Jack? I mean, he might have played the, I assumed so. But like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he did.

There's a few, like, Troy Baker's in there as a voice. Yeah. There's a few notable voices in there. Fucking Mick Lauer. I was in a game with him. Oh, Atlanta Pierce was in it. Oh, I should say the voice acting was kind of a little over the top personally. The whole thing was fucking over there.

Yeah, it's melodramatic. Very melodramatic. It's very, very big. So there are like on a, there's like an ocean of blood. Somebody please help me understand this in the comment section. So it's like a like the, a moon is like covered in an ocean of blood basically. Is there like, is there parts of the moon that's not blood? They were like rock formations and stuff, right?

Imagine Earth, but instead of water for the ocean, it's blood. Yeah, so I'm assuming that's the surface. I was just trying to figure out where the people up top were. Oh, right. Was it like a... Actually, I don't know because you never get establishing shots. No, and then never having in the game either, like you were never, like, brought back up and go down. Like, that was something unique to the film.

And so I was just, I was just trying to imagine, like, the space of it. I was just picturing, like, a boat maybe or something, like, in a similar way you put a submarine in the ocean. But they, like, dragged him back up. Like, they hoisted him, right? I don't remember. I guess. Yeah. I thought they had control over it.

But that was, like, the story, right? I don't remember. The quiet rapture thing is kind of a cool idea. Yeah. But I just didn't, I didn't really understand by the end of it, how it all wrapped round into what. there was at the bottom of the blood ocean that gave them the information that could save humanity. Oh, yeah. There was something on that sub...

They do not explain. What? But maybe that's the intrigue. There's like fish god thing that was like talking to him and trying to stop him. Yeah. From spreading this information. You're not ready for the light. Also, like, he's being fucked over by these people this whole time.

He's trying to escape. And then at a certain point, he's just like, yeah, you know what? This is more important than me. You know, I kind of agree with them. I need to get this black box. That's the most important thing right now. And it's like, I didn't buy that. Like, fuck these people.

Yeah, I don't really know. I don't want them to get the black box. Now that you mention it, like, we don't really understand his character much at all. Like, I guess he feels some sense of guilt for like a thing that might have been partially his fault that killed some people. And he was an accident. But that's like why he's in prison, I guess. Yeah, there's like a space station or something that exploded. Yeah.

Like, I don't know how many humans are left. Like, what's the ratio of like, prison? prisoners to non-prisoners right now. We either needed more of that or none of it. I just wanted to understand his character a bit better, you know? Like, but it never really felt like a character. Or none, yeah. Or just keep it.

We just felt like market player. Uh-huh. I kind of would have liked it if he sided with the weird demon thing. Right. Yeah. Sure, yeah. Because that's kind of, it seemed like that's where it was going with like that creature being like, no, you can't reveal this information because something will happen. And he like melds into it and he like has this God vision and he destroys.

Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool. I'd buy that. Yeah, I don't know why the horror movie needed to have the kind of hopeful ending necessarily. Yeah, right. Well, because that's like the tone he's going for. He's like an action movie star in the movie. Like he kind of plays it with this like swaggering Harrison Ford. Right, right.

He needs to be a little cool. No, I notice that when you search on like Google and type iron lung Markiplier, one of the suggested searches is shirtless, so. I'm looking at a bit right now. Yeah. I just, I don't know. The, his performance in this movie felt indistinguishable from times where he's been acting,

and it's been for comedy projects, right? Like, I didn't see, I didn't see, like, a shift in terms of, like, how he was delivering lines. And I think that in order to, especially if you have like a history, being a comedic personality, I think you need to, you know, be as talented as maybe like Brian Cranston to be able to really, you know, change trajectory on your career and have people take you more seriously. At least from my experience. There was actually a moment of humor that I liked.

I remember towards, you know, when he finds the other submarine. and he's got to like remember this passcode or something to like get into this computer it was like a funny little moment where he acknowledges that she said it too quickly or something that was that was kind of funny that was one of few notable moments because something was happening something like notable and like understandable oh it's progressing we found like another submarine they lied to him they said he was the first one going down that's kind of interesting you know this you know classic the big corpo thing is lying to you and this sort of thing, alien or whatever.

How was your audience in your theaters? It was one of the best. I saw it at like midday. Yeah, there was no reaction really for me. There were like teens in my audience and they were just kind of like talking a lot throughout the movie, kind of giggling, you know, just like as teenagers will while they're watching a movie. I think they were generally enjoyed it, but you could tell there was kind of a feeling of like,

okay, how long is this? How much more is that? I was thinking what would be like I was thinking about actors who would have been really good in this. And of course there's a ton of them, but like around Markiplier's age. And I kept thinking like Dev Patel, he'd be really good at this. Daniel Radcliffe would even be good in this. Any real actor would be good at it. Okay.

Okay, maybe that's unfair. Well, I was thinking about like, I don't think you like at Adam, but that film Locke with Tom Hardy, that's like all in one lock perspective. I would love it. Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate it if the soundtrack wasn't so shit. That's what, that's the one deciding factor for me. So I remember enjoying it, especially that performance. Someone of that caliber like in this, maybe you could make it work and carry it on their

shoulders. Yeah. Also, you know, sorry, I was just going to add to why I don't like, like, I didn't like. I didn't like the character but yeah, go on, go on, go on. I don't need to review it. I just think like this in my, like, it's amazing what you can do with like a performance

that isn't from a professional actor, but it's like still very committed and it's it carries you some of the way, but it's like you can still feel the sense of like, oh, a really, a trained professional actor at the top of their craft would have added so much to this movie. And I think a lot of times, especially as like film critics or whatever,

we take for granted, how much actors really are just amazing like so like the best actors there's such a huge difference between someone who's like pretty good and someone who's incredible and that changes an entire movie like this could have been like so so much better with a different performance right in the center of it you know still the script though the script is yeah i mean it's the script and it's the performance but i guess i was just thinking about like having respect for like the craft of acting it's just like, I don't know. For sure.

I don't know how they do it. I agree, right? Some actors are even director proof in that sense where they can still be like an amazing performance in a movie where everybody else sucks because the director sucks sort of thing. And they just stand out because they know what they're doing. This film, I just like from concept, in order for this to work in any way, it has to understand that it is a performance-driven. script-driven, tone-driven film, right?

Like, it's not like an action-packed, like, fucking visual special effects spectacle or anything. Like, it's not Avatar. Like, it needs to be able to refine those basic elements in order to be compelling. And I don't know. Like, I'm noticing that Marketplayer is the editor on the film, as well.

I don't think he understands the just how to trim things down and to refine things in a proper way. And again, I mean, the performance, it wouldn't even matter if he did refine it with the performance like that.

It's just, I'm not trying to be mean, everybody. I'm just being honest. Like fucking Andre 3000. Hey, how about this? Okay. Fan casting the perfect actor for this movie. Ryan Reynolds, I think.

I mean, he would have like, it would have been so much fun. Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart. Uh-huh. Or even the rock. I mean, he might not fit in there. All right. All three of them.

That would be cool. Well, I mean, we should probably wrap this up. I'm not mad about this film. I wasn't angry, but like, it's, I just. You're just disappointed. I wasn't, no, I wasn't disappointed. My expectations were really, really low. Like I watched the trailer and, you know, seeing the I.

When you see an IMDB or, you know, Letterbox user rating and it's like, okay, wow, huge fan base for this guy and only fans of him have seen it so far. And it's not like a particularly high rating than I know I'm in for kind of a slug, right, especially just from the trailer. And I just heard it was boring. So I set my expectations at a comfortable place that helped me stay sane. Because I knew, no matter how many times the movie felt like it was ending, it probably wasn't. I put myself in a mindset where I was expecting to be there for potentially five years. And that's how I stayed sane was knowing, okay, no, I'm not expecting it to end right now. I know it feels like it might be ending.

No, no, no, no. That happened like 10 different times. And if I allowed myself to get tricked, then I would have had like a much more miserable time. Instead, I was more just like kind of just passively fascinated. And, you know, there were some walkouts in the theater, a group of three left potentially halfway through. I don't know if it was halfway through or 10% or 90% through. There was no real way to tell time. One of the women in my road started getting very, what's the word?

She was looking for some kind of stimulation. Fidgetty. She started just like loudly banging her. foot on the floor, which is kind of funny. I don't think she realized she was making noise. I think she was just kind of like going to get me out of here moment in her head. Yeah. I can relate to that.

Yeah. So I was trying to resist looking at my watch for a lot of the runtime. I got like a little Cassio watch with a little button to light it up. And I did it and was like, wait, whoa, hold up, hold up. There's not like 40 minutes of this shit left. Is that? You're kidding me, right? Yeah.

The pacing is like so bad. It's too bad. It didn't have the mercy timer at the top. corner of the screen, you know. I'm excited for that movie. It's going to be bad, but... For what? Yeah, because I'm waiting for the digital.

It might be out now, actually. I don't know. It seems like it probably wouldn't... I wouldn't be surprised, too. Oh, my, can we talk about it? Yeah, sure, maybe I'll watch it for next. Okay. Yeah, I, uh...

It, it felt like a fucking low two out of ten for me. And then when I saw the end credits shot under red, I was like, okay, well, I, high one. But now after this conversation, when you reminded me that, yes, there was an attempt at having, you know, different camera angles, different, you know, different perspectives, even though it didn't always work and it rarely felt like motivated, it's like, okay, wow, you know, this is a really low angle here. Is there a reason why?

I don't know. At least it wasn't so stagnantly shot. And I appreciate the effort. So I'm bringing it back up to a low two out of ten. Whoa. Wow. All right. Rafe review.

Okay. I changed your mind. I'm giving this a five out of ten. You know, I feel like it's truly a mixed bag. Like, there are choices in it that I really admire and appreciated. And just so much of it, that was just, you know, not the best, not the best. But you're not the worst either. So there you go.

Alex. Yeah. And I'm somewhere in between you guys. I probably give this a two star. I didn't mention what I thought of Shelby Oaks when that came out because I hadn't seen it. I've seen it now. And I think it's about on the same level for me as far as like how much I respect it and like the people involved and whatnot. But at least that film knew when to, it's just such a, it really ruins films for me when they outstay, they're welcome.

Because I do think I agree with you guys. Especially Jake. There's stuff in there too. like for sure. I do like when it gets all kind of gooey and bloody towards the end and the concepts are cool and I do like that mapping out sequence and this kind of stuff. But yeah, it needs to be chopped down at least an hour. I would say the ideal length would be like 10 minutes personally. Honestly, I'm not even kidding. It would have been a great 10 minute film. I think you could do an hour. I genuinely think you could do an hour with this or up the budget by like 10 million and

of the scale of it a little bit. and show you a bit more or have a different perspective or flesh something out in a different way or yeah it's not nothing to me it's perfectly respectable for a first outing and I just don't know where he comes from

as a filmmaker is like is this a new path he wants to go down does he want to now make horror movies because I'd be down and I'd like to see what he learns from this because horror does seem to be the genre if you want to like jump into these films like all of these

YouTuber movies we've been talking about, they're all horror I think that's for a reason, it's quite flexible forgiving genre in a lot of ways and yeah, yeah, I'm just not mad about it really. Yeah, same. It's nothing to be angry about. Although I am kind of, the only thing I'm a little bit, just like, come on guys, let's check this, all the articles

kind of framing it as a rags to riches type thing when look up his nose and stuff. It's like, come on guys, come on. Yeah. It's not that surprising that it's doing that. That is what's interesting about it is because it is unlike something like Raka Raca and Chris Stugman, they went through sort of like traditional means somewhat, you know, with like neon and A24.

This was like fully sold as like a marketplace thing. This is like the parissocial relationship coming out to perform and bringing a lot of other people because it's theatrically shown. I think like the smartest thing in the world was him getting this show theatrically because if this was just put on Amazon or something, no way would be. people talking about it. Yeah. I mean,

it was just like a brilliant move to that he was able to convince these theaters to show it. Mm-hmm. Just much less risky compared to these other YouTuber movies. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. He has a built-in audience.

I enjoy that it is a thing that people can watch in theaters and I would only, I would only want that expanded. I'm just saying for what I would expect at the current, you know, it just, it does feel out of place. Yeah. Yeah, in what it's trying to be. And Alex, when you direct and star in your bionical live action adaptation, I will be sad. And we will, you know, the masses will come out to come to see your film.

Will you guys watch Syneciki Part 6 when I put it in theaters? Oh, is it you got the theater deals lined up? Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. No, I'm sad. I'm there. I could premiere it at like a New York film festival. And then maybe it'll be a part of the metac commentary for Charlie Kaufman to show.

up and watch it. Ooh. I think you've got to get Charlie Kaufman in it, you know. He already is. Oh, okay. We all are. Okay. My God.

Okay. I see what you mean there. Okay. Well, are we talking about a movie called Send Help? All right. Send help. When I posted my video, people were complaining that they thought it was a genuine notification that I was actually trying to get help.

Yeah. Thanks, Sam Ramey. Thanks, Sam Ramey. I like this. Yeah. You like the movie? It was good. I did like the movie.

It's been a long time since we've had one of his horror movies. I guess Strag Me To Hell was his last non-Marvel affair. Yeah. And I liked it. I don't think it was quite as good as Strat Me To Hell. And I don't think it's going to be necessarily like a modern classic. But I enjoyed my time with this. I was saying about how my audience for Iron Lung was dead silent.

There were two people there, but this was packed. The energy was awesome. It was very unique, actually, for a UK showing of something. People were cackling, they were loving it. And I was cackling, along with a lot of the jokes of the movie. I like the tone a lot. I like the jokes. I like the movie.

I like these lead two performances, and Iron Lung being a bottle movie. This is somewhat of one, too, with them trapped on an island, a little bit of castaway, a little bit of evil dead, a little bit of a triangle of sadness. I dug this. Yeah, I'm with you there. this was really fun, a really solid movie. I thought that the script was like pretty tight and it, it kind of, it kept surprising me, you know, because I feel like there's a version of this movie that was like very simple,

very simple, like misery style horror movie where it's like, okay, the dynamic is shifted. We have the bad boss and we have the like virtuous office worker and they've switched roles. Now she's like in charge because she's an expert at surviving and he is a loser on. on this island and she can just torture him now. But it took so many different directions that dynamic kept shifting and changing, you know, information getting revealed. And I liked so much how much is like playfully

kept away from the audience in that classic like Sam Ramey way of like, I'm just going to toy with you. I just felt like he was having a fun time. Like that's what this whole movie felt like. It was just like over the top, schlocky 90s horror type of like fun. I think it achieved exactly what it wanted to. I think there were some issues with like, you know, lower budget stuff.

You know, some of the CG wasn't amazing. But yeah, like the performances just, you know, worked so well for me. Rachel McAdams is just wonderful and so charismatic and watching her transformation is so, so fun. And the actor Dylan O'Brien is just, he's incredible. He's so fun. He's really good. He's so funny. He's almost like a Bruce Campbell kind of style of performance in this movie.

Like it really, I watched this and I'm like, yeah, this feels like a fucking Sam Ramey movie. And I was really happy with it. Yeah. I didn't like it. Wow. And I was excited for it more than anyone. Well, not more than anyone. Yeah, I was pretty excited for it because I love Sam Ramey and I, you know, wanted to see another horror comedy joint from him.

but I mean, yeah, as you said, doesn't quite strike the same blank word I can't think of. I don't know why. It doesn't quite hit the same threshold as Drag Me to Hell or Evil Dead or any of his, I don't know, any of these other films that I love. I think the biggest problem that I had was the script because, you know, I agree. Performances were great. Rachel McAdams was having a lot of fun. Dylan O'Brien was pretty fun as well.

But I wish that their characters' performances were in service of interesting characters. They felt really, really flat. They did not feel properly fleshed out at all. It was pretty much at a same level of like, oh, okay, they just hate each other at work because he's mean to her. Things were established at the beginning,

but it just, it never really felt like anything was fully fleshed out. And sure, for like a horror comedy that's trying to be camp and cheese, you don't necessarily have to do like an entirely artistic approach in that sense. But it felt really flat in terms of what they were trying to communicate in the script. Like, did you guys feel like the weird, like romantic, angle worked at all. Like, spoilers, everybody, at the end where they're saying,

like, I love you. Like, that feels like it's not properly developed at all. Like, sure. It's just so weird. Because he's lying to her. I mean, we know that at stake. Like, at that point.

But, like, earlier in the film, there's a moment where it's like, oh, are they having some kind of attraction to each other? And that's right before he decides to drug her with fucking mushrooms. And then it says, fuck you, Linda. and goes out on his little boat. It like,

the way the film has presented it, like toys with that expectation, like when they enter the cave and they're having, like, it presents it as if there is some sort of sexual tension between them. And it feels like really unnecessary and ham-fisted. Okay. I felt like that was sprinkled just enough,

especially with earlier in the movie where she's anticipating the promotion. And she's like, oh, this hot guy is like gonna. So she had some kind of affection there already. I bought that. They were there for weeks and weeks within the timeline of the movie. There was something believable about that to me as they started sort of losing hope or the idea that they wouldn't interact with somebody again.

I brought into that side of it. Also just like Stockholm syndrome of him being like, oh, you're my mom almost like she's feeding him fish and he's like a little baby now. I never bought it. I wish this was a movie that, you know, cared more about the details. Really? Because I didn't believe that they were on an island for the vast majority of it. It felt like a lot of the cinematography was just trying to find ways to not show the environment because they weren't actually there, right? No, they filmed parts of it on an actual island. Yeah, parts. Like on beaches and stuff, yeah. Yeah, not an island, but on a beach, yeah.

I guess, yeah, I was so brought into the tone, that kind of stuff didn't bug me that much. Yeah, I wish. When it has like the goofiness of, um, because I watched your review earlier, Adam, with the, the hands sticking out of the ground with the diamond ring and whatnot. I love that imagery of that being there and the way that came about. And as Jake was saying with the... Yeah, it's an evil dead reference. Yeah, yeah, with the allegiance, like, shifting as the movie goes along.

But what you're saying about the lack of depth with these characters, the moment in the middle where they kind of get drunk on the homemade alcohol, I thought it was a nice alluring, like, oh. like I don't actually know kind of who I support anymore and it would do that a few times and it was kind of interesting a way I didn't expect for how kind of bog sounded it could have been with the way that went. I found it really satisfying and kind of unpredictable as a result. Yeah, I agree. I thought that surprised me.

I did feel, I mean, there's more character depth here than in probably most or a lot of Sam Ramee movies where like that's like kind of not really the point in like the evil dead movies and stuff. But like this, I do think like that. that tension and the shifting dynamic is super important. Like the moment when Linda sees someone's actually looking for them, when she finally has that decision of like, I'm not going to tell them about it. You know, like, that's a moment where we're kind of like questioning the morality of these characters and whose side are we on. And like, that's what is, I think, so good about this script and why I think Sam Raby is like the perfect person to be paired with it. And I think in terms of like the character details that you're talking about Adam and things that

are lacking. I am curious, like, what, um, what do you think we should have learned about more about these characters? Because I think what I enjoyed about, like, the, maybe the, the flatness, but I would say more like the archetype style of these characters, like, they're playing into these archetypes of like, he's the loser and she's, you know, or he's, he's, he's the boss and she's the loser and he's this yuppie, you know, asshole. And I, I thought that they, they played into that intentionally. I never felt like it was like a failing of the film, but like, they're playing in this like movie tone you know we're in movie world i i never felt like oh this is unrealistic you know correct correct uh to me it comes down to how aspects of the film are motivated through

these characters so what you just mentioned with her deciding to not get saved you know she sees like oh yeah there's there's another boat and she'd i forget the line she says she's like not yet right if that happened later in the film like that that was so early for that character decision to happen that it didn't really feel motivated by anything. Like it would have been so much more interesting if if we had had these moments that came later in the film where she, you know, might go out on a limb and like trust him a bit and think that he's turning around and then he betrays her in a way, like the poisoning sort of thing. Like if any of that took place after, then it would feel more relatable to see this character do that. But instead it's kind of just like, oh,

okay, I guess she's crazy. And this was like not that far into the moment. movie at all, like barely anything had happened. He hadn't really done anything that was inconsistent with the rest of their office dynamic, right? There's, by the time that they are doing interesting things developing these characters, like that scene where they're drinking at night, it's so far through the movie. And I just, I wish we got any of that earlier, right? I wish that they weren't kind of, I wish that they weren't insisting so much before they were actually earning it, right? It's, it's in the wrong order in terms of developing for me anyway.

Hmm. Yeah, I guess that just didn't bother me as much. Yeah, I mean, either. It was, the only thing that really bothered me about the film was the, the CG. I really wish there was some of the practical commitment to it. There were a couple of moments like in the the plain scene. The rubbery CG kind of almost worked with that cartoonish tone that it's going for in that whole gag. The sight gag there was like, that was really funny.

It was one of my favorite jokes in the movie with the getting caught on the outside of the window and her closing it. I thought that was great. There's a few good gags like that, but like the whole CG pig stuff I wasn't that into and CG blood and this kind of stuff. If that was all like practical and the. weird opening I was a little bit concerned with the the AB camera thing yeah that was like oh no thank you for a night gaslighting me a bit no but then when it got to the the tuna scene I was like oh cool like this is the ramey I want to see and I felt like yeah that was the energy that I got for for the majority of it outside of that opening I don't know what that was about because otherwise there's loads of

really fun, inventive camera work to, like, communicate time passing, and it was, like, varied to the shot variety and some really funny

gags, like, linked to cuts and stuff like that. It was really creative and fun for that. Like, the zombie, the zombie fiancé.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. I didn't entirely dislike the movie.

Like, there's parts that I enjoyed. The parts that I enjoy the most are all the ramey Rameyisms, right? All of the, all of the parts where it's clear that Ramey either, you know, was the reason for him choosing the script or diverted from the script, diverged or whatever. He has his own signature, fascinations, his motifs, his trademarks. And any point where it was clear that it was him, I was enjoying myself.

Not because it was him, but, you know, I watched the movie because I enjoy the types of things. he does. I wasn't really bothered by the CG pig. I felt like I was having fun with that scene for, you know, the same reasons why you guys weren't as bothered about some of the character writing and how things were ordered. Because to me, watching that pig scene, again, like, I'm in a movie universe. It doesn't, I don't have to believe it's a real pig. It's just a fun excuse for a silly scenario, some action, some blood, some. gore and i yeah i'm not expecting there to be like a real sense of stakes at that moment i'm just expecting some fun squeamish stuff and i got that i got i got some fun squeamish stuff out of it as

well i just feel like in in terms of like an entire film experience like this was a very repetitive movie i didn't feel like things were uh building in any kind of effective way right It really felt like much of the movie either could have been reordered or very much should have been reordered. I don't know. It fell short of what it had the potential to be and the script was a big part of that for me. All right. Yeah, I kind of felt an escalation to it. So many good scenes in there.

The fake out castration is such a good moment. The close up on his face and everything is. Great performance is there. Loz of memorable stuff. I really like it. That's not how a blue-ringed octopus works. You're not supposed to be able to breathe either. You need...

Sorry. I mean, I love how she's like making sushi and her little cup with her name on it. Like it's just so cartoonish. Like it's like a Bugs Bunny like levels of like how competent she is on this island. Yeah. Yeah, there's like some Looney Tunes-esque stuff at moments.

Yeah, it's Loonie Tunes-esque. I just, I wish it. it was wackier and I wish it was crazier. I wish it I cared more about the characters. I think at the end of the day, my, my detachment from the overall experience of the movie is just a detachment from these characters. I wish they were more interesting or that I, uh,

cared enough about whether one of them did anything, you know, one lost or, I just, yeah, not related. You just wanted to be two markipliers on the island. Did you want Linda to turn to the camera and just, like, implicate us in her crimes? Sure. Yeah.

Hit the rewind. She kind of does that at the end of the film. You're next. No, yeah. I mean, like, I'm not incapable of liking, you know, schlachkin fun and stuff. I just, this one did not connect with me. Hmm. Okay.

That's fair enough. Favorite Ramey movie, fellas? I mean, I fucking love drag me to hell. It is good, but I think I might have to go Spider-Man too, personally. I think the Doc-Luck stuff is so good. Yeah. And that is so good. Like, both of them have a special place in my heart for different reasons.

Spider-Man's more nostalgic, for sure. But, yeah, I mean, I love the Evil Dead trilogy as well. Like, there's, they're all good for different reasons. I don't know if I have, like, a clear favorite. If we look at my ratings, I guess Army of Darkness is the only one that's a nine. but like I would have to rewatch that because I don't know when that ratings from. No love for Oz the Great and Powerful. No.

That's just the one we don't talk about. I never watch it actually. No, Jesus Christ. It's so fucking bad. Maybe depressed for a week. Yeah. I would say probably Evil Dead too. I mean, come on.

But yeah, the Spider-Man trilogy is so, it's so good. It's probably, it's some of the best. superhero movies. Like, they're never going to top that. But Evil Dead, too, yeah. People are talking about the open mat version, the 35 millimeter scan of Spider-Man. Oh, yeah. What is that all about?

Why are people into that now? So it's kind of interesting. So there's like clips of it online. I'll actually share one with you in the chat in a second. but basically just because you know people back in the day you would have a lot of films shot in a way where you'd be able to release it theatrically but also have it ready for like home video aspect ratio and so they would kind of shoot it in both ways at once and so the the widescreen is like actually the cropped version which is kind of interesting which is like the opposite

of films that were shot for widescreen and then later cropped for home video televisions because everybody's TV was like four by three at one point in this generation and so the original 35 millimeter theatrical scans that a theater would use the way that they enforce an aspect ratio at a theater is

basically the theater itself would like crop it out so the actual print and scan has the full frame that's even showing more than even the home video release so you actually see things like boom mics and just things in it like you'll see if you notice in this clip

you can see when he's like catching the the tray and the fruit you can see someone's like hand like throwing one of the things too but yeah like it's kind of It's, it's, what I like about it is that it, it almost kind of like, it gives it a weirder, more different vibe. And it kind of turns, yeah, this is cool. Spider-Man into like almost like an art house film.

And it's a, it's a good quality scan, too. Let me know if you guys want to check it out because I might, uh, may have some info on how to do that. Because I would love to just watch this entire movie like that. It kind of seems fun. Yeah, I would watch this. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah, seeing the boom there is fine. Sounds interesting.

especially if you're already a big fan of the movie and it's not your first time watching it sort of thing send help yeah I I wanted to like it more was frustrated at it and just wish I connected with it four out of ten let's get you drunk and you can watch it again it'll bump it up a little bit no

okay I'm giving it an 8 out of 10 wow let's go Yeah, I'm slightly below that. Be like a three and a half star or seven. It's solid. I'm glad to see him back making movies of this tone, this kind of silly and cartoonish and self-aware I could do with one of these every couple years,

and I hope that's what happens. Yeah. I hope Ramey gets to do more of these types of movies. Sure, yeah. He loves doing it. Yeah, I would still continue watching his films, even if they were all, you know, this. It's not like the worst thing you could watch in a theater.

No, absolutely not. Well, Adam. Yeah. I recommended a movie that I had never seen before, but it was on my list because I love this director, Lee Chang-Dong, South Korean director, who has made films like Burning with Stephen Young and Secret Sunshine, which is maybe my favorite of his, I don't know, incredible movie. and then, yeah, others, poetry, peppermint candy, and, et cetera. But he makes films that I consider to be very, very, very, just incredibly thoughtful and well-made and interestingly presented. And I feel as though he knows how to, like, emotionally stab me, which I like.

Um, okay. And so I, yeah, this one was on my watch list. I didn't know much about it. And, uh, very challenging and weird and unique and interesting and bold. I loved it. And I'm curious what you both thought about it. It's about, I'll just read the IMDB description. An irresponsible and childish ex-con befriends a girl with cerebral palsy and develops a progressively

stronger bond with her. That's the description. Do you want to go first straight? Do I have to? Oh, no, you guys hate it out. No. No, you go. Okay, I did not hate it.

Actually, I liked it. But I have complicated feelings about it because it's, there are parts of it that I didn't love. And I think it is kind of intentionally, it's intentionally complicated. And it's like challenging the viewers in some ways, you know. know, like, are we doing full spoilers or are we just talking about it? We'll do full spoilers in a bit. Just get, yeah, we'll give our basic thoughts first. There, the, following the main character, I really like the storytelling.

It felt very, like, naturalist, very, almost like Mike Lee-esque in the way we're following these kind of, like, people on the fringes. This guy, he just arrives into town and he's doing things that are like, okay, clearly doesn't have money and just kind of like not being told exactly what's going on but just kind of like intuiting who this guy is his relationship to his family and everything and you really build up sympathy to this guy who's probably some kind of neurodivergent or have some some kind of you know there's something on the spectrum somewhere on the spectrum something like that and he's he's having trouble you know relating to society we learned that he was in jail um for like two and a half

years and you really hate how his family treats him and then he meets a woman with cerebral palsy you know the um who he's connected to through what happened why he's in jail a little bit and um relationships relationships forms basically um how that relationship starts is to me like one of the most definitely the most disturbing part of this film and was like really shocking and um holy shit. Yeah. And then the, this might be a weird comparison,

but do you guys know the movie Sunrise, the silent film? No. the movie, but there's something that the character does early in that film that is horrifying in a different way. And then we kind of like rebuild our sympathy towards that character along the way

and their romantic relationship. So this kind of does a similar thing in a way. But I have some kind of like, you know, makes you feel icky and like makes me question. And I understand why people would find it morally like offensive. I personally, I think that it's important for art to do things that aren't necessarily like morally, you know, just trying to satisfy and morally neat. Exactly. You know, exploring characters that are on this spectrum of, you know, moral ambiguity. and this guy is not all evil

and the way that it's explored in their complicated relationship and how the movie deals with and talks about disabilities and it really explores the world from the perspective of this woman with cerebral policy and how she reacts to this horrible thing

that is done to her is complicated and hard to parse and discuss. So beyond that, like there were some like more fantastical elements that the movie does specifically relating to her cerebral palsy and how the performance is that I kind of took issue with. That kind of pulled me out of the film a little bit. And was a bit cute, quote unquote, cute.

But overall, I did think that it was a pretty good movie. And it definitely left an impact. So job done. You know, it definitely achieved something. I'm definitely not going to forget seeing this. Yeah, what about you, Alex? Yeah, it certainly leaves an impact. Yeah, I'm sure.

And I've never experienced this emotional journey with the film before. And I don't, I'm not sure if it's positive. Because there is an elephant in the room here. And I just can't help this feeling that if that elephant in the room wasn't in the movie in the same way, then there would be a different impact. because I'm trying to like just break it down in my head and figure out what it's trying to say with that specific plot inclusion that I'm sure we'll delve into shortly what it means and what it's trying to say with that because I I find it difficult to find like an intent or meaning that does explore anything that complicated in fact including it makes it kind of more confusing on an emotional level that it wouldn't be for me because it makes it with how naturalistic it is put together it makes certain things about the movie kind of make less sense to me with the way it resolves with how certain characters react to things i just it's such an uphill battle not only from that starting from that elephant in the room scene but

from the very beginning with this lead character you're given some information that's kind of like they're probably saying this for a reason right where's this kind of going to ago. And you mentioned Mike Lee and I was thinking about naked specifically. Right. Yeah. A similar kind of conversation coming up. Um, but the film is not a romance movie, really. It's more about kind of like rambling philosophy and this kind of thing. It's so that that, that point of it trying to be this earnest, kind of inclusive, thoughtful perspective movie was, not working for me after that point despite the fact I think there are 10 out of 10 scenes in here there's incredible filmmaking in here incredible performances so much about it is a movie that

should exactly be for me and I can't help it feel like maybe because of the time it was released or I don't know what that decision was about but I've I'm really struggling to break this one down go for it's not it's not even necessarily the subject matter because like this is England and Clock Oak Orange and all these intense films cover stuff like that, but I feel like there's more of a through line or consequence or, I don't know, sort of a meaning to it that I can interpret that I just don't feel like I'm getting from this, that I certainly would otherwise. I think we can do a spoiler talk if you want to just get into it.

Let's do it. Adam, did you like this film? Yes, I loved it. Okay, great. What's the... You got it. No, Alex, talk about the elephant and the name. How do we narratively justify it?

Yeah. So the framing of the beginning of the movie, you're told that this main character committed a hit and run. He was drunk. Somebody was killed. and he's led out of jail that's when we are introduced to him and he sees

because of how he's inclined that it would be a good idea to go to where this family of this person he killed lives to kind of apologize or try and make amends in the only way he knows how and when he's there

he sees the woman and then I guess figures out that there's a key to get into the apartment from a neighbor and then later returns breaks in and then tries to give her some flowers and because she's been she's on the floor barefoot and he kind of starts kissing her foot and just being a creep straight to the feet no hesitation yep and i mean it it escalates

extremely quickly and this is a really disturbing upsetting scene, especially because that character has not been fleshed out at this point at all. You haven't even seen her speak. You don't even know if she can speak or communicate. So there's just a level of horror and intensity to it that, yeah, I just don't understand why it needed to be executed in that way or what narratively justifies that when I feel like if they wanted to communicate that he struggles with. like reading other people or interpreting body language or something. I feel like something like that happening after they already had a little bit of rapport. And he was like misreading something. There would be a more kind of complex way to break that down instead of this almost like black and white morality as to what is going on there.

Because I don't know what is it saying with this. I yeah it takes the moral complexity out for me and it and it seems like a cop out with the way it resolves too um because it doesn't really it feels like it just doesn't address it really at all after that point um yeah i think like for me it was like yeah he attempts to rape her and then she struggles so much that he stops you know he leaves and then we oh yeah because she faints she passes out she passes out yeah I mean, it's, it is really, like, shown in full. It's very, very, very, like, yeah, it's very upsetting for anyone to watch. And then, um, after that, like, we kind of see her dealing with this. And, and the thing is, like, we, we don't really get that much inside of her head throughout the film as much. Yeah. But we do see, like, after this, she's, like, getting dressed up and trying to put on lipstick.

And it's like, he left his phone number there. He's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like, like what does he expect to get out of this interaction, you know? Like he's clearly, there's clearly something where he does have trouble understanding like social cues in general, but it's like this was a step way beyond that. And we also learned that he had multiple repeat felonies for, you know, attempted rape or one of, that was one of them was attempted rape. Then it was salt and battery. And then he had the, um, the manslaughter with drunk driving, which turns out wasn't actually him. He just took that for his brother,

which we learn later. That's like a big moment. But the fact that he does have this, this quality to him, it's like, I feel like the movie then after that point is like less interested in her perspective of experiencing this

because then it just kind of like, yeah, like Alex, it doesn't really feel addressed again and it almost feels like a sick joke in a little bit of a way when, at the end of the film, when they are having consensual sex, that's when he is. Yeah, is it like just supposed to be dramatic irony?

Yeah, and it just feels like, and I know it's going for this tragic, like, sweeping, romantic, like, sadness, but it's like, man, I don't know. Like, there are times in this movie where it does just kind of feel like she, there's a lot of empathy towards her character, but it does feel like she's sort of an object at times. And I don't know how much of that is intentional by the film or is just, just like in oversight. Like we do see how much, like, I, one thing I will say about that scene, that the disturbing scene is that it did open to my eyes and like made me think about disabled people

and how vulnerable they are, you know, and I know that's part of the point of this movie, you know? Like, it is so upsetting because you do see how vulnerable they are and mistreated by society. But then this character that we're following, our main guy. It's like, it's hard for me to buy into this romance, you know?

And it just feels, again, so weird. And that would be fine, again, if it was like a naked type of, like, Mike Lee film where it's like, we're not really, that's not a romance film, you know? That's, like, different. Like, and there are poetic moments in this film where there's, like, CGI birds flying around in butterflies. And then there's moments when the actress who has cerebral palsy,

She doesn't have serial policy. The character does, but there are moments when she no longer has that, like fantasy moments when they're just dancing or hanging out. And I just didn't really buy into that. It felt a bit like, you're, like, what are we going for? You know, like, I really just, by the end of it, the film, like, I didn't feel that kind of like aching sadness of romance. I just felt like really shitty and bad for her.

You know what I mean? It's just punishing. It's trying to explore what feels like a gray area of these people in society that are abused. And their family are horrible and awful to them. But I just feel like including that scene specifically takes away some of that grayness. I think it would have been a lot more interesting if maybe you open a film the same way, imply he has a criminal past, maybe even still including the kind of sex crime stuff. Yeah. But leave it open to interpretation.

and then leave it up to me to see like where this goes because i it's not about like cartoonish good and evil stuff it's but then it's also trying to be a romance thing and i i just i've never experienced this before where this would be just straight up like a like a four star for me if not for that because i feel like the the tragedy part of it would actually hit then if it was exactly the same but that one scene wasn't in it yeah or was it justified in a different way or it or it was it justified in a different way or at different point or something. Because, yeah, it makes the whole kind of thesis kind of not work for me. I just can't buy into him.

Right. How did you feel about the more fantastical elements of, like, you know, fantasy sequences? Yeah. Did you think that worked with the natural, naturalist tone? I think in general, yes. I liked the baby elephant one in particular. Would the kid don't sing? I got you what you were saying with, uh, I don't know.

there is something a little bit kind of too much for me. I don't know. I've never had a scene just like side swipe me and then I'm like, I just, I just don't really buy into this. I don't know what I'm supposed to take from this. And then the whole way it concludes with, yeah, them being arrested. And yeah, it's established that she can't really exonerate him because when she's distressed, she finds it more difficult to communicate. but we are shown earlier in the movie that she can, like, talk.

She can give her opinion on things. Yeah. Only with scenes with him, though. Yeah. I don't know. It just felt kind of conveniently wrapped up that way, and I just wasn't buying into the world, I guess, by that point. Sure. I do feel as though, from my perspective, like, that scene agreed, very,

disturbing. That's what makes it like a challenging narrative for me. Like I do disagree that it would be more nuanced and grayed without it. I think I think that contributes to the to the grayness of

this story that it's telling, right? And not to say like you know that the character deserves that or that like rapists or you know great guys and redeemable. It's, you know, we're seeing, we're following a character who is very clearly disturbed, right? He's mentally disturbed.

He's somewhere on the spectrum, has very, very apparent, like, impulse control and aggression issues. And he, you know, he struggles in ways and not to forgive him for doing, like, an attempted rape that doesn't go anywhere. but I don't know, like you, you like old boy, right? Like, that's another movie from around the same time period that also has a main character that literally does the same thing. Sorry, spoilers for old boy, it's, you know, it's not, it's pretty early in the movie, but, you know, and we do, there is more to justify it in that sense,

because it's like, okay, dude's been locked away for, like, 15 years, but I think similarly, you know, like this is a character where even if he hasn't been, literally locked away by like I'm not even going to say

too much about old boy but even if he wasn't confined to one room

for 15 years the way that they communicate his character even just dialogue referring to

his character they say multiple times there's like his brother I forget exactly what

he said verbatim but he said something to the effect of you try not to

exist in a way that impedes on my life or that gets in the way of my life, right? This is a character that's always through every step that he takes being an inconvenience to someone. He's clearly just like not relating to the world around him. He's detached in various ways. Not saying he's a great guy, obviously.

There's a complexity to showcasing this character. But I will also agree that like, I feel as if this movie were made today, then that probably wouldn't really be a part of it. Yeah. Korean culture, to this day, from my understanding, is not great when it comes to, like, women slash feminism stuff to this day. Like, there's some weird stuff going on.

And perhaps, you know how we see artists throughout different, decades in various countries depending on what sort of social steps or progress a country has made, you'll see, you know, transphobic jokes, like, however many years ago or, like, you know, homophobic shit from like artists that if you were to ask them today or actors or directors or writers, you know, like, they're not creating that sort of stuff today. And it might have just been a misstep or in poor taste or just. not you know like when you are a reflection of the culture that you live in there's going to be some weird fucking sussy shit that especially when it's decades in the

past you go like okay probably shouldn't have done that I can see why this is wrong but like when you're in the time period like the average person might not have uh felt the same way about it who knows I wasn't in Korea I'm not Korean I don't know exactly how that would even play to an audience. But I think the fact that there was a movie from within the same few years, like within a year, another Korean movie that had the exact same thing happen with the main character in it, that kind of gives me a bit of a clue into like that, you know,

it is kind of like a dated cultural thing. And I'm able to look past that and be like, okay, wow, no, I'm seeing a challenging film with moral complexities and ambiguities, not saying that rape is not bad to everybody, okay, but showcasing a very disturbed, a character who should obviously not be doing that, but is also just his mental faculties are not all there.

And I enjoy this movie more because of it being shocking, right? I gravitate towards being shown things that disturb me and that push the boundaries of what is acceptable, right? So to me it's a positive, not the concept of it, but the fact that it's in a movie and also from an artist that, you know, I've seen a couple other of his works that I really admire. and so I already have maybe a bit of a, maybe a bit of a bias towards them. And so maybe if I practiced that thought experiment I was mentioning earlier, then, like, I don't know, if it was directed by somebody I don't like.

Yeah, it's not even the inherent inclusion of it that bugs me. I just wanted it to narratively kind of justify itself with maybe characterizing her and getting more of her perspective on it Yeah, same. She just doesn't acknowledge not only that, but also the fact that she doesn't know about him not being the one that killed her dad. Like, they don't have a single conversation about these things.

And it just seems like the script doesn't want to go to that direction because that's too tough, which is like, well, in which case, why did you put it in then? Right, right. You want to have this cutesy romance stuff, which I think really works in a vacuum without that scene. it's really endearing and kind of summarizes what it's going for I feel like with look from their perspective there's something really lovely here that only they really understand it is just mad by this this way like this way they met basically which just I don't know why she even she's petrified she's so petrified that she passes out and then a few days later calls him Yeah. What is what are they what is the script saying with that? My my interpretation is that because of her, you know, like that literally the movie opens with just the shot of the poster on her wall and only later. Are we able to re contextualize that that's a point of view shot from the character, right?

This is this is this is a person who's living their entire life um, basically forced to use their imagination with those moments of like the reflections and the butterflies and all, or sorry, and the doves and all that. This is a character that does not really feel like they're living a life. At one point she even says like she wishes she could just have a job and work, you know, even though she's got people checking in with her and she's living in an apartment that I think was like built to house disabled people.

She's not really having any kind of connections with people. And even when she is around people, she's not talking to them because she's unable to because, as the film mentioned, like, her even speaking is a huge effort on her part. Like, it's a miracle that she's even able to around him. And I think through her perspective, and even though it didn't say it like very explicitly, what I gathered is that even though, you know, obviously, in that moment you would never be like, oh, yeah, this is great. of, you know, no matter how lonely you are, you don't want someone fucking forced upon you in that way, except for a couple of people who have a really weird kink, all right, CNC, but that's not, that's not relevant here. That, the character from what I gather, uh, after, you know, going back to the regular staring at

a wall for, uh, however much of her day and not really having communication with people, there was a part of her that might have been able to, whether, you know, from an effort or not, sort of go, okay, this is a person that wants me in some way or that is interested in me in some way. And even though, yeah, the sexual nature of it is disgusting. Oh, sure, sure, yeah. But that's why it's complex. That's why it's complicated. Is it wrong to explore that type of character to say that type of character might exist? who knows, right?

I don't think that the director is saying that like every disabled person, you should just fucking show him some love or whatever, right? I think this is a very particular type of story that is intentionally trying to find the weirdest examples of characters in order to challenge the audience. I don't think the director wants you to be having hard conclusions on, you know, the the acceptability for this type of story being told or the statements it's making in general about people or types of people or genders. I think that he just told a story that's fucking unique and disturbing. But, you know, I was also able to get a bit of, you know, the intended emotions as well.

Like the cute scenes were still cute, right? For me. But do you think it would be lessened by or it's made as impactful, as you're saying, by it being one of their first interactions? Do you hear what I'm saying about how it could, what I was saying earlier about maybe if it was integrated into the story after they'd built a bit of rapport. So there was something, some different implications. I don't know, some different way to explore that because it, the uphill battle, I guess, is just a moment where is either going to work for you or not. And I just don't feel like the script was nimble enough to play with something like that

and make me feel what the characters are feeling. Sure. No, yeah. I mean, like, that's a part of what makes it challenging. It's like you are describing it. You say it's a battle. You say it's a challenge, right? It's all a part of it.

I mean, to me, it's like, it clearly, like they aren't trying to sidestep the disturbing nature of it, I feel like, or else they wouldn't have filmed it the way they did and shown it to that extent. Like it clearly, they're intentionally showing that it's horrifying, right? But, you know, like, so that's like an interesting choice. And I think that's like a good choice that it is shown and depicted that way.

And that's what, again, like Adam, you're saying, like, that is part of what makes this movie so thorny and interesting. But also, that's also like what makes it really hard to like emotionally connect with. And I do wish and I do think the movie would have been improved if like, out. you were saying, we got a lot more of her perspective after this and was at least somehow addressed or, you know, she got to, you know, like, it isn't just sort of forgotten about. But, yeah, I don't think it shouldn't have been there in there at all. I just think it should have been handled a little differently. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I don't have like a way, I haven't put much thought into like exactly what should have been. corrected about it per se because to me I'm still watching a film that like again you know from a different time period from a different culture the current culture has very like if you look it up there's a lot of you know very uh patriarchal patriarchal expectations for the role of women and what

they should be doing in the country sort of thing I don't know exactly you know what was going through everyone's head at the time but I don't feel as though in terms of like the whether or not there was anything like malicious towards how this character was portrayed. I don't think that it was done in a way. Overall, this character, I feel like on paper from many other directors or writers, et cetera, filmmakers. This character wouldn't have been handled

in as respectful of a way because to me, I feel like there was a challenge that they were intentionally giving themselves creating this film where it's almost like a narrative storytelling challenge like,

okay, how do we communicate the emotions and thoughts of this character that doesn't speak for the first half of the movie and only speaks around him and is struggling to speak and has to do it in very simple terms, right? How do we flesh out this character?

How do we communicate, you know, at any moment what she might be thinking, right? And so there's a scene where, you know, after that initial incident, shocking incident, you know, there's the other two characters, I think, one of her siblings and their partners. And they start fooling around in the same residence. And the way that they do it is like, I feel that the film is communicating that that is also done, you know, in a way that is very disrespectful towards her, that her concerns are not being addressed. But the film is, the film is showcasing that perspective. They're making it clear that those two characters don't care enough to close the door, that she would like the door closed. She puts a huge effort that she shouldn't have to. Like, they should do it for her. Like they're being kind of assholes about it. She puts this huge effort into closing the door, even though she's probably used to this happening all the time. And through that, I'm interpreting that, like, she has an ongoing insecurity and anxiety about her own lack of meaningful connection or relationship or sexuality or touch or, you know, just existing and connecting with other human beings.

And I think that, you know, when she is putting on the lipstick, they don't just go like, oh, yeah, I'm like, I love this guy right now. Like, we see a tear on her face. And it does communicate a lot. And it communicates not only the complexity of her emotions, but like her own internal struggles. And the journey that she's kind of gone through and is currently going through. And it's subtle, right? And it doesn't, it doesn't over-explain. It doesn't, you know, state things in an easy-to-digest way. but I think for you know for myself and many other people there is there is a good amount to pick up from just from the performance and the context and the limited information just through its presentation I still do feel like it's saying like a good amount yeah yeah I guess I got that same complexity from the consensual sexine they have towards the end I feel like that I think that I'm complexity was in there anyway or her scene when she desperately wants to communicate the truth in the police station and she can't that's one of the better performance moments for me um that's really powerful uh i don't know i just i just think it had enough going on it had enough drama right i i don't know why you'd poison it like that yeah i'm kind of with you there Alex it's just it's really tough to even it'd be tough to hard to recommend this or anything because of how it's handled.

And I get they're trying to do it with this complexity. But, I mean, just the way you look at it and how you could read into the framing of, like, the attempted rapist is like the only one who is going to show character. Like, maybe they're trying to make a statement about society. Like, it's upsetting. But it's also like, what are we doing here? Like, what are we showing? Why are we doing this? Yeah, like, I do, I do feel like overall, like, you know, the film is showcasing, excuse me, showcasing a huge amount of, like, sympathy and empathy for her as a character.

Sure, yeah. And, yeah, like, I think if it were made today, that scene would, like, go over worse. Like, the... I don't think they'd make this movie. at all today. The fact that it's, you know, like, sometimes there's movies where you know of a scene before you've seen the movie, like fucking irreversible.

Like, you know of the scene before you've seen the movie, right? And I'm kind of surprised that this isn't in that same category where I know of that scene before having seen it. But yeah, it's, it's, uh, I, I did enjoy getting a visceral reaction out of it because I was very much like, no, no, don't. Like, I was terrified. It was awful, but I like experiencing emotions.

Yeah, I definitely felt things, you know, watching this movie. So I think it certainly got a reaction out of the viewer. Yeah, I mean, I am glad to have seen it because it was like, it challenged me and was interesting. And I feel like I definitely unique, yeah. Very unique, got some new perspectives. and yeah, I mean, I don't want to be like, I don't think art should be offering a moralizing type of, you know, perspective.

I don't think it should be virtuous or have a certain type of telling the audience how to feel about things. So, you know, for those reasons, I think that it's important that movies like these exist, even though I might disagree with the choices. Yeah. I'd actually be very interesting. interested to hear, like, him talk about and reflect on that. Same.

Yeah. Or, like, hear some sort of, like, director commentary or, like, an interview. Like, perhaps this exists and we should be looking at it. Maybe not. Yeah. Maybe we should. I don't understand Korean, so we'd need it to be translated. Well, the actresses' perspective, too. Sure, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, she did a very, very, very, very, very, very. bold and yeah you know ambitious incredibly risky yeah

really really yeah hugely risky role and for the most part she killed it you know like it's not going to be completely accurate to someone that has

cerebral palsy and there's going to be some parts where you know obviously people who are more around real people in real life that you know have the same things

uh will notice details or nuances or parts where she's you know like doing a bit too much, et cetera, et cetera. But given the landscape of those types of performances and how fucking 9.9 times out of 10, it ends in like a very embarrassing disaster. I think that like considering that, like it's like, wow, like actually handled very

impressively. Also, the choice to not include music that's not diageetic. I thought was very, very helpful in terms of having, like, a more personal, kind of, like, empathetic and at times, like, intimate approach to these characters. Sometimes I think about just how inappropriately handled riding the bus with my sister was, where, you know, this is, on where, you know, this is, on where, one hand, you're trying to be a film that's like, you know, pro autistic, you know, like, don't treat these people differently. And then the soundtrack is going, derp-de-durp, like, so silly, like, oh, fuck off, right? So kudos to the presentation for this film, the artful filmmaking choices.

So many long takes as well. But not long per se. but like unbroken because so many of the scenes are are very short that none of the oners feel like they're gratuitous and showy it's not like fucking

magnolia right it's just a part of the style and if you're not you know if you're not like a person that thinks about the editing or cinematography etc then you might not even notice it but it is doing a lot in terms of

helping the characters and performers. All of the performances were fucking fantastic, I thought. Like so much great stuff going into this film. No, I'd say, like, I'm excited to watch more of his films after this. I mean, I really like the filmmaking on display here. So even though I'm personally going to rate this six out of ten, I want to see burning. I want to see, you know, a few of his other movies.

Yeah, I need to see burning. Yeah, I feel exactly the same, Jake, with my rating, three star. I think it's a brave swing, but when you swing like that hard, you're going to miss sometimes. And it misses for me, it's not going to miss for everybody, despite, yeah, that level of dedication to that filmmaking, like the reincorporation of the tree branches and that whole stuff was amazing. Hell yeah. The dance and the in the queue of cars and stuff like that. There's a lot of, like, earnest stuff in there. But yeah, I just can't wrap my head around what most of this conversation has been focused on.

How do you think I feel? I've got a crush on a fucking Nazi character, right? You got to just get over some things sometimes. Right? Instead, don't, don't fucking, yeah, don't fucking throw out the baby. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, right? You just got to. This was your Lars von truer moment. Okay, I'm in a...

Okay. No, yeah, I think he's got some great stuff in his filmography. Alex, I do think you would enjoy burning. Yeah, I need to fast-track that one. And Secret Sunshine is just incredible. And, you know, that's, I haven't seen that one a while. But it is like a, you know, female main character and definitely not. From the films I've seen from him, there's certainly nothing like what disturbed you too about this. I mean, it disturbed me too, but there's, from the ones I've seen,

nothing has been quite as shocking as this one. So I did pick the wrong one to, uh, uh, start your filmmaking, uh, your Lee Changdong journey. Uh, but I didn't know because I, I was going in blind as well, but I enjoyed it very much. Can't wait to, I should ask Louise what she thinks about it, a fellow D-Gen. Oh, what's your rating? My rating? My rating? Nine. Nine out of ten. I loved it. 9 out of 10. Okay. Yes. Well, I'm just thinking, I know you got to leave soon, right, Adam?

Yeah. Yeah. So we can do a couple of questions. Yeah. Sure. If we do a couple quick questions here from the Saldonikas community, head over to the suggestion thread over on the subreddit. If you'll leave questions for future episodes, that's do one from Character Reply, 6,7,3, 2.

What's the best film you've seen that has the least rewatchability? For me, it would have to be Norte, the end of history? mostly due to its length. Did I say that right? I've seen it twice. How long is that? It's like four and a half hours, I think. Oh, wow.

Okay. It's great. I mean, it's really good. What pops into my head, like, come and see, maybe, even though I've seen that twice. I actually think it's exceptionally good and kind of easy to revisit. Maybe like a 12 years of slave, something like that. I haven't revisited that.

These are these kind of insanely heavy, the subject matter. you're not necessarily just going to put on for a breezy afternoon. Right. To me, it's literally any MCU movie I've rated above a six. Because they don't, like, they just, they don't have rewatchability. No, the question was, what's the best film you've seen? No, literally, yeah.

Well, but with the worst rewatchability. So I don't have the same thing that you guys do where I don't want to see movies that make me feel sad all the time. So, like, come and see, I could pop that on. Requiem for a Dream. Yeah, I fucking play that. that right now. So to me, a movie with bad rewatchability is just a movie that gets worse when you watch it again, which every Marvel movie has been. So like, there'll be like, fucking one of the

Guardians of the Galaxy movie. I'll be like, oh, that was nice. Give it a seven when I watched it in a theater. And then I try to rewatch it thinking like, okay, maybe this will be on my like yearly list thing. I'm like, you know what, this is just getting worse. And I, you know, it will just go down a point with every fucking watch. So would you chuckle on Dea Zachary right now? Sure. okay oh man yeah I don't

I don't know if I'd want to watch that one again the exact yeah that's a good one especially not anymore yeah there is like partially a mood thing for me like I'm not against

like what you come and see right now yeah yeah different people experience different emotions differently because you know

Part of sad or negative emotion to many people is like a feeling of catharsis, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I go that. I'd say like funny games. That's one where it's like I don't want to, like, I don't want to experience that again. But, you know, I appreciate it for what it was. But yeah, there are a lot of like disturbing or upsetting films that I don't mind watching or re-watching again and again. I guess it just depends.

Everyone has like different things that really, oh, what was that document? Oh, fuck, I'm forgetting it now. Lots of good disturbing documentaries I never want to see again. Oh, there's one, oh, Titticut, Titticut Follies. That's, I think, Frederick Wiseman. Have you heard of that? No. Yeah, I watched that in school.

Yeah, it's about basically a state, like, mental institution in the 60s. Um, really fucking upsetting. It's just really raw of what this place was like. It is so, so, so, so depressing. Yeah, very hard to watch, but, um, yeah, it's very interesting movie. It's a classic documentary. Lux Aeterna wasn't even like that good, but like it's such a, like, it's literally a headache movie. Like, it's like strobe.

Like, it'll kill a, uh, epileptic person. Gaspar and O.A., you thought that his imagery was already fucking epilepsy unfriendly? You haven't seen Luxeturna. Literally, you'll get a headache. I'm not even kidding. It's not even an hour long. It's a very difficult watch, but not even because it's like good. Not even because it's like disturbing.

It's just a headache. Sensory headache movie. Nice. I'm going to flicker the lights for fucking 40 minutes. We can do another question. Yeah. Oh, okay. Let's do this one from Korok Hayden.

People often discuss separating the art from the artist in terms of horrible people who are extremely talented, i.e. Roman Polanski or Spacey. Who are some of your picks for the inverse of this? Directors or actors, etc. He you deeply respect his people, but feel lack any real talent as a filmmaker. Marketplayer! I really feel like Zach Snyder is my pick for this. I never really like watch interviews with him and I quite like him. He seems like a cool, chill dude, but I just not into his films.

Like, yeah. I'd say that about maybe Kevin Smith. Sure? Yeah, that's a good pick. Yeah. Yeah, I'd agree with that. And to a lesser degree, this is kind of unfair because I do like some of Guillermo del Toro's movies,

but recently I haven't really liked his films, but he just seems like a wonderful and nice person, you know? So I'm like, I wish I liked his movies a little more. Yeah. Keanu Reeves, hit or miss, but... Is he a director? No, I mean, it didn't say director. It said filmmaker, right?

I don't know. He's an actor. I did have actors in there, too. Oh, okay. Yeah, Keanu Reeves. Mm. Yeah. He seems like a nice sweetheart, sweet boy.

Yeah, true. Mm-hmm. But his performance is not always. Okay. We could do another quick question. Yeah, let's end on this one from Exploding Ninja. Did any of you see the Super Bowl spot for the new Cliff Booth film? on your thoughts on it.

So Finch's new film with the Tarantino's script. Oh, geez. Yeah. Yeah, they don't have to feel about this, to be honest. Same. I guess I'm going to watch it. I got like no feeling out of seeing it. It was just like, okay, yeah, that looks like a David Fincher directed thing.

It's not that's exciting of a concept to me. Yeah. But it's interesting that it exists, I guess. It's kind of a weird combo. I was watching Kid Rock. at a protest. You know, it's funny. I was actually...

You were watching the journey points. I was actually watching Iron Lung during the Super Bowl. So the people that walked out, like, they really wanted to see it. Wow. All right. Did you see the Finchurch trailer? No. Oh.

You should check it out. I guess I will. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see how it is. I'm just, yeah. I appreciate it once in a time more than... actually like it. I just not that into movies that are about Hollywood that much.

Sure. Yeah. Who knows what that will be. Yeah. I mean, I'm cautiously optimistic. I liked The Killer. I wish Fincher would get out of Netflix hell, though, and, you know, make big movies on the big screen. And I have no fucking idea why he is doing this.

It baffles me. I don't know. It's just the weirdest pairing of filmmaker and script. And I just... The images on screen, they look fine. It looks like it could be interesting. I mean, it's just kind of like a clip reel of what happens in it. But yeah, I don't know.

For me, I'm like, I either want pure unadulterated Fincher or I want pure unadulterated Tarantino. I don't really need to see a blend of both. You know, I think they're kind of at their best when they're doing their own thing. And, hey, maybe this will prove me wrong. But, yeah, I don't know. they're just so oddly paired. It's so bizarre. All right.

Thanks for the questions. Sorry we did not many questions, but I have to leave. Yes. The longest episode ever last time. Yeah. Be grateful. Have you said thank you?

Adam has to hop on a private jet and he's going to some island, I hear. 2.0. Yeah. See, that's another thing I'm thinking about the whole Epstein stuff is like, Like, there's got to be more than just one Epstein. We're all just kind of hyper-focused. You think it would just stunt? Yeah, there's probably, like, a lot of the same thing happening that no one's paying attention to.

I think there's just one billionaire that was doing, that was organizing that shit. Only one person throws these kind of parties. On that delightful thought. Yeah, so happy notes, end. What a happy way to end. I wonder why you're watching so many depressing films, Adam. Because it's fun. I wonder how many Epstein's there are.

Let's think about. Life. Okay. Who's Rockinsie? On that note, it's my wreck. It is. That's good. We'll be going to be nice Jake or am I going to be mean Jake?

Oh, you said. I love the suspense. You have been on your best behavior, Adam, yes. And for that reason, I am recommending 1977 William Friedkin's masterpiece, Sorcerer. Perfect. Oh, nice. Finally.

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