Sardonicast - Sardonicast 224: Coyote vs. Acme, Camp Miasma, Peppermint Candy ft. just2good

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

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We're gonna do a three to one clap. Okay, three, two, one Alright, my- huh? I try it well I had a drumstick in my hand and so I'm like I couldn't really clap I tried to like like throw it it didn't make it I didn't really make it see drumstick what like the like a fucking uh ice cream I was literally I was imagining you holding like a hooky leg. I'll explain us. All right. We're going to do a second three, two,

okay, just stay that. We're going to do a second three, two, one clap. Okay, here we go. Three, two, two, one. I want to go back. That's a quote from Coyote versus Acme.

I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is Sardonicat. I'm Alex Maritia. I'm going to go with, I say, I say it's time for Sardonicas today. Night. Oh my God. A little bit of folk on for you.

Nice. I'm Jake from Man Carrying Thing. And I'm just going to go with a classic, beep, beep, right? I thought it was meep, meep. I always thought it was meep, too. See, that's what I thought. But then the movie, you know, changed my mind. Oh, yeah, you're right.

They did spell it in the film. And we have a special guest. Oh, yeah. Hello, who are you? Hey. Oh, hello, just too good here. I am Sarah. I'm a Lego YouTuber and also a film critic.

I do movie videos as well. And I am a longtime listener of Sardotica. So this is kind of surreal. Yeah, no, this is awesome. Yeah, I love movies. Yeah. Well, once I remember a long time ago, there were, there were like some comments being like, when are you going to let a fan on the podcast?

And it's like, well, today. Yeah. I mean, I'm a long time watcher of Just Do Good, though, too. Oh, thank you. Exactly, exactly. Sarah, you're up here, don't worry. This is like a simpatsco thing. Oh, thank you. I was just bullying you for a second.

It's okay, it's okay. But yeah, no, I mean, I had Alex and Adam both on my Just Two podcast, which I haven't done in quite a bit. But that was like 2017, 2018. I also had Ralph on there. So, you know, someday we've got to get Jake on there if I ever bring it back. Just to complete... Oh, anytime.

Oh, heck, yeah. I'll have you talking about Lego. You're obligated now. Yes, okay. Also, you know, I started out as a fan of this podcast, and then I did an episode, and then they forced me to keep doing it. So, you know, that could happen to you.

Who knows? Okay, cool. Scary, scary times. We blackmailed you. They have some crazy shit on me, actually. I feel like if I was on this cast, I would be basically just parroting, like, Adam's opinions because like I was like kind of raised in the school of YMS's like

movie taste and stuff like that so I don't know if there would be much diversity in opinion there if I was on so often so I'm just warning you there like oftentimes I feel like I would like backup because you're under attack all the time yeah yeah I'm always I'm like oh yeah like oh yeah this was peak this was peak what do they it, you know, which leads us to today, but we'll talk about that later. The retribution of Lee Chang Deng. Yes, LCD sound system. The dance yourself green fish.

Yeah, that would have been a good wreck too. I love that movie. I mean, apparently all this films are great, well, in my opinion. All right, we can save the Li Changdong discussion for when we talk about that. Sarah, tell us about how you got started on YouTube and what makes. you want to do film criticism and stuff? Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean, I started on YouTube way back.

It was like 2008 on a different channel where I was making YouTube poops, if you know what those are, where you like, mash up. Of course. Yeah, no. And those were like really formative in my editing, like learning how to edit with like movies or like, you know, videos online and stuff like that. And it wasn't until like 2011, I was like, oh, I love watching. these Lego videos and I'm like very active in the Lego community on like forms like Eurobricks

and Brick set. So let me take my own. Oh yeah, you like, oh, peak, peak sites. But I was like, let me make my own spin on basically what other people were doing with their videos and also my own takes on videos. And I just kept consistently doing that. I was through middle school and high school. And it just got bigger and bigger and bigger. And then it kind of became my full time career doing these Lego videos and things like that. But, you know, as a watch. of, you know, YMS, IHE, and other movie channels with like similar takes and things like that. I was thinking the same thing. Oh, let me take my own spin on movie criticism and things like that.

And so I made like a letterboxed. And then I eventually made a YouTube called Just Two Film where I would be, you know, giving my perspective on film and things like that. Were you only talking about two movies? Yeah, I know, right? Well, at this rate, honestly, like, I think I've uploaded like one video in the past. like month, but I've been so busy with the main Lego channel that it has been sideburned.

So it does live up to the name in some regards. But I actually, a year ago, I got approved for the Critics Association of Central Florida. So I get to see a lot of things early and you get my own take on that. That's what I keep hearing from people. Is that, well, so like, I get sent a lot of screeners from people who like know or whatever. Like, because I'm on a lot of lists just from being at film festivals, they like, you know, you can check the box. Like, would you like to share your email if you're like.

like a part of like the accredited press or whatever, accredited. Sorry. And yeah, no, I've really wanted to get into like a local film critics association. But I think the Vancouver, I've applied. Well, I'm no, I didn't officially apply. I like emailed the association in Vancouver and they were like, oh yeah, we're doing our applications in spring. So remind us.

I'm like, okay. And then I reminded them like three times and then they never got back to me. So it's like, I'm, you know, I'm pretty sure that they, depending on which city you're in, there might be some places that don't like new media sort of thing. Or they just think I'm dumb. Yeah, I mean,

you know, I lucked out because I live in Orlando and that is a pretty where everyone's dumb. Hey, for Florida, it's decent, okay? Because it's like the most I love how you had to say for Florida. I'm sorry.

That's the funniest way to start a sentence. For Florida. Yeah, but I I it's very it's at least like a pretty queer here and I'm a trans woman. So I definitely use that to my advantage of hey, you know, I'm a trans woman who makes like movie videos and stuff like that and your diversity hire yeah, you're the DEI. You see? Hey, I'm proud of it, you know, but I feel like I'm way more active on letterbox than I am on my film channel just two film because I really like just writing my like a lot of people on

letterbox, and I do this a lot too, is you write like a joke review or something like that, but like I actually like writing these like three to like five paragraph takes on like what I liked and what I disliked and stuff like that. And I think letterbox is a very easy way to get that out there. So I'm very active on there. And I got quite a few followers from there because of my Lego channel. And then my film channel, I want to be more active on it. But it's like, that takes a lot more time than just writing something on letterbox and things like that. But I think the film the Critics Association of Central Florida

they liked what they saw on those two things and I was able to get in and now it's easier to get into festivals as well which I'm doing test press for the second year. Oh that's dope. I'm glad that helps. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, that was awesome. So yeah, I don't know. I definitely think you should

try to apply for that. I think... Or move to Florida. Or move to Florida. Oh my gosh. No, I'm not doing it. I'm so sorry. Don't ever, yeah. Don't even move to America. Trust me, I want to move to Canada because like it's fucking crazy here. But, uh, like, yeah, uh, I, I would say try a more like regional one if the one that's more local isn't working. Cause they have like these broader like, like,

the whole Florida one for me. You know, so like maybe they have it for your whole province or whatever. Oh, true. There might be a BC thing. Actually, yeah, that's not a bad idea. Because I got, I've gotten some emails from different like film fest in BC that. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that maybe that's an idea. We'll see how that goes. I was going to also ask. I'm obviously curious about like the whole like Florida trans experience. I know that like basically the story of the entire United States is that there are no real red states and blue states. It's just red rural areas and then blue cities, really, right? So Austin, Texas is like Democrat, you know?

So yeah, kind of curious about your experience, especially because I was in Atlanta for a bit too. so I was able to experience some of this oath. I mean, honestly, I have pretty dang, like, for what it is, I've had great experiences in Orlando being a trans woman. Yeah, I don't know if I'm fortunate or something like that, but I, like, I haven't faced any transphobia in person except like once. And it was when we had like a, it was after a trans meet and we all went to like IHOP and we just had somebody there.

And maybe they weren't being transover or something, but they, they were like a waitress there. And they were like reading out all of our names on our credit cards. And then like people around us were like, yeah, they were like laughing at us because, you know, they probably perceived that we had feminine names, but we looked masculine or something like that. But even when I didn't quote unquote pass, if people knew I was found out I was trans, they were always really accepting of it. but I never really got question. You know, I guess the part that passed the least about me now is like my voice and that's always been the way. And like, you know, I'll be ordering at McDonald's.

And if I don't pitch up my voice a bit, they'll call me, sir. But I don't think it's out of malice, you know, it's just more of ignorance. I just wish people were more like you were. You'll just say they for everybody. And then if you find out their gender or stuff like that, you'll, you know, their pronouns, you'll adjust to that. That's what I do as well. But I feel like a lot of people.

just grow up like already gendering somebody and I kind of wish we moved away from that. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like built into language too. Yeah. Got to be lucky we're like French and gendering chairs. Right. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. How does that society get past that? It's a unique. I will say though I had like what I got my name changed. I also got my gender marker changed on my ID and then I had DeSantis, uh, sent a a letter that said, oh yeah, we made a mistake. Here's actually your right ID. And then they put my, they put male gender. And this was a month after, I got the one that said female gender on my ID. And that was the only thing they changed. And I was just like, fuck off. That's annoying.

Yeah. So that there are some like laws here that are really annoying, especially with like official documentation, things like that that are restricted to us trans folks. But yeah, I've been pretty fortunate otherwise. Yeah. And I guess for anyone listening at home, Because not every, you know, we have, we have, I feel like a relatively diverse audience. There might be some people that are like more familiar with trans shit and some that are less. They slash them is like, you know, if you're like unsure, then maybe like that's, you know, that's not a bad like safe answer, but it's not like a fucking cure all. Because there's if you, if you're constantly they theming someone who's like obviously a trans woman,

then it's like, okay, well, you know, then that's. kind of like dehumanizing it away too. But the thing that I think most people don't realize is that trans people are so used to being misgendered anyway that it's not a matter of like whether or not you're accidentally misgendering. It's a matter of whether or not you're like maliciously doing it. Right. So it's like if you don't know and you make a mistake, generally someone's just going to be like,

oh, okay, though, these are the pronouns or whatever. And it's fine. You know, that's the. experience I've had with like every trans person. Yeah, that's, that's 100%. That's my experience too. The GameStop freak out is not all trans people. What a great pool.

That was a South Park character in real life is what that was. That's, wow, that is, wow. I didn't think about that for a while. I mean, that's literally what it was. It was a fucking sci-op. Siam. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, but, yeah, but no, I mean, the Lego community on the other hand, like,

I was very disappointed because when I came out as trans on my Lego YouTube channel, I got so much hate and like it persisted. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Like, I mean, there was a lot of supportive people, which I appreciate. But there was a lot of like just I didn't know the Lego crew was so transphobic. And like they literally I used to pitch up my voice because I was trying to do voice training. But like I had to drop that for my videos because the more I would. would practice voice training, the more I would get hate. And the same with like paint to my nails when I like review and stuff.

So I had to stop doing that too because unfortunately at the end of the day, I want to make money to like do fun stuff. So like I, YouTube's also a job for as much that I love the videos I make and stuff like that. So I do have to unfortunately downplay some of my transness, just forward fronting like that. But in no way am I, you know, hiding my trans identity totally. And like currently I'm working on a video called the gayest Lego sets. Oh, nice.

Hell yeah. Yeah. I'm high for that. Yeah, exactly. That will be really fun to put out and stuff like that, but we'll see when that comes out. It'll be like all the LGBTQIA like Lego sets in every trans minifigure, which is like two. But yeah. Yeah.

Have you noticed anything YouTube has done in terms of like suppressing trans creators? Because I've heard things from other trans creators about YouTube, you know, causing issues. Or do you feel like the platform is pretty uncaring about it? I mean, yeah, so I haven't noticed anything with my channel, but like, I sometimes I'll open up the app and it'll just be like, okay, we're just having like a transphobic short just pop up right when I open up the YouTube app, you know? Oh, right, yeah. So I feel like they are spreading some of that content sometimes. Yeah, very weird. Well, if you click on it, remove it from your watch history.

I, okay. I think a lot of things that can be explained on the internet. for like people's experiences is just that's the algorithm because that dictates everything. Like that's literally just the answer to what your experience is. It's the fucking algorithm, right? Yeah. And so in that sense, you could imagine that like trans creators, if they're doing like especially content that includes discussion of trans issues, you could imagine that that content

might only be shown to other people that are, you know, searching up or interested in trans issues, which might be like almost like an unintentional indirect form of like suppression in a way. But, you know, in actuality, it's just like the fucking algorithm, right? I like, you know, I'll always put like, oh, I'm not interested in this content when I see something on the side that I don't want to see like on YouTube. And that usually helps a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

If anybody from YouTube is listening, I'd like you. So there's this feature where like in your, if it's in a recommended thing like to the side of a video you're watching, you can click Don't Recommend this channel. I want to have that option for like the search results themselves. So anybody from YouTube listening, I want to have that option. Yeah, and give me the option to turn shorts off too. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, that, oh my gosh, please.

Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I've been like shorts maxing recently because that shit, like you just repackage your other videos and then you get a whole new audience and get new subscribers and things like that. Yeah, but then are those new subscribers just wanting shorts or no? No, I mean, it translates to long form content. I mean, I've had a growth in the past, I think three months since I started doing shorts rapidly. Then I haven't since I've come out as trans. And I've made the most money since I've come out as trans in the past three months because

of shorts and these new subscribers. So, yeah, and shorts, it doesn't always notify your subscribers, which I kind of like because Like I don't want my subscribers be notified of the long form videos being repackaged and things like that. So it's kind of like a win-win. I quite, I've been really liking the shorts and stuff like that. I'm glad it's working out. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a question.

How long after I met you did you turn trans? Well, you, you, you, okay, so there's three times we quote unquote met, okay? Because first in like middle school or yeah, I think it was middle school was like, 7th or 8th grade or maybe it was 9th, I think might have been 9th grade, high school. I remember on Reddit, I messaged you. That's not meeting. I know, I know. That's what I'm saying.

I posted. You started telling this story. I'm like, I don't remember meeting you as a middle school. Yeah, yeah. I posted like, hey, I posted your video on Reddit videos and then you're like, thanks. So that was the first time online. Which video? It was the Walking Dead video.

Nice. So. Did it blow out? Yeah. And it popped off. Yeah, it popped off. It popped off. Yeah.

And then second, I emailed you, hey, you know, do you want to be on my Just Two podcast? This was like after in college. And then you said, yeah, and then we talked there. That was the first time we really talked online. And then Megaplex 2022, which was right before I was, Megaplex 2020, which is, it's a furry cod in Florida. Literally was like a trans awakening for me because I noticed, oh, you could dress up and do whatever. and like people won't judge you like you know as long as you know your big ethical things like that and like that changed my output on life and like oh like i could literally just dress how i want to dress

you know like i could be myself and that was megaplex 22 and that was before i transitioned and i transitioned at the end of 2022 it was a direct effect and also funny enough watching of all people rm brown oh my god i which was your recommendation and i I literally like I saw how cool he was with trans people that it wasn't like a big deal. And I was like, oh, wow. Like I've never seen like a guy who was just like cool with trans people that it wasn't like a big deal. Like, you know, like so that and Megaplex 2020. He's hilarious.

I love him. Oh, he's so funny. He's so funny. I haven't watched his stuff recently. Jake, you should watch him if you haven't seen him. Who's this? I'll send it to you later. He's a very funny lefty YouTuber.

Yeah, so yeah, so Megaplex 2020 is where I met you and that was like maybe a couple months before I transitioned What made you think of going to Megaplex? It was my girlfriend shouts out, you know, she was just like, Can you please come to a furry convention with me because she's a furry and I was like, oh, it's gonna be cringe Like you grill, but then I was like I'm only dating I'm dating a furry but I would never want to go around a furry. Yeah, literally. I was, but I was also like, oh, wait, I think I asked you on Twitter if you were going. So I was like, oh, Adam's going. So like, it would be really cool to be Adam.

Oh, so that's what I was looking for. I was trying to claim responsibility for your trans awakening. I mean, low key, like, way back of the day, like, you were the person where I was like, wait, furries maybe aren't that bad and also gay people aren't that bad. Like, way back when I was like middle school, like, I was like, this guy's really cool. Like, it is a gay furry. So, you know, it'll work out. So I think he did contribute to that.

Adam convinced you gay people aren't bad? When you're living in fucking Florida, I come from Alberta. You have to understand what it's like growing up in those. I guess you're from Arizona. Yeah, I mean, my mom was also very like, I remember one time somebody was making fun of like Adam Lambert, I think, for being gay. I think that's him. And my mom, and then I joined in and my mom was like, you know, it's not right to make fun

of gay people. She helped too, but that was right back when I was like in kindergarten, yeah, or not kindergarten, but, you know, elementary school. Yeah. Right, right. Okay, sweet. And now I am a queer person, you know, so, you know. Nice. You're welcome.

Thank you. Yeah. That's what it was all leading up to. Yeah, you made me a furry. Oh, my gosh. No. You were already dating a furry, though, so I don't know. I know.

I know. Yeah, no. It was my contribution to that. No, that's true. That's true. That's funny. Do you guys have any other questions for Sarah before we move to talk about movies? I have some movie questions related to Sarah. Yeah, I kind of have like a combo movie Lego question.

Oh, shit. Before you ask it, before you ask it, I don't think we said once we started recording that Jake is sick. I think we said that before we started, so people might be confused. Jake is terribly sick. At least he sounds like Jake this time I'm feeling great What are you talking about Adam? Speak for yourself

I'm amazing Nothing is wrong with me Okay all right And I just came back from being sick basically Because of yeah Megamplex so I could relate So you're super powered with T cells Yeah

Low key I mean I feel like I won't get sick For the next week or two Knock on wood because I'm going to Tiff And I do not want to get sick Yeah oh my gosh I don't know I mean yeah no you got sick at the perfect time Is like recovered before

the important thing. But maybe I should have gone in the Mega Plagues. All right. Alex. Please, please, please come back. Someday I will.

It's just like fucking money and time, you know? Someday I will. It was so peak. Alex, what are you going to ask? No, yeah. Obviously there's like a huge crossover with Lego and movies. Kind of save the company, right?

When they started doing like Star Wars, like it says. But then we go like the Lego movie and it was like, wow, this is awesome. This is like way too good. kind of for the concept, what you'd expect. Exactly, yeah, it was just too good. But then they just kind of, what do you think it happened there? They just made too many too quickly. Kind of like the Lego Batman movie was cute, had like a good backbone of like jokes and the visuals and stuff.

But do you think there's like potential for more stuff like that? Or do you think they just throwing that down the drain with how quickly they, there was like the Nijago movie and all this kind of stuff. It didn't really work out, huh? No, yeah. I mean, with this, they, it feels like they waited too long for a sequel to a Lego movie. I mean, if, you know, I wouldn't mind if they never made a sequel to Lego movie, but they were going to make a sequel. They waited like five years between that.

And then in that time, three years after Lego movie, they spammed two movies back to back with the Batman movie and like Ninjago movie. It was both in the same year, which was such a weird choice. Very weird. I feel like if they just stuck to like the Lego Batman movie and the Lego movie and then, maybe did like the Lego movie too like a year earlier or something like that they would have been safe but I feel like Ninjago movie was definitely something where the general public

like didn't know a lot about Njago at the time yeah like like you know out of like you didn't know what the fuck Njago was and it's like literally like that's like when you reach that point it's like oh wait there's so many Lego movies now like what's this Njago bullshit you know so like that totally threw people off the new slur Nizago sounds like a word I'm not supposed to say Sounds like something that shouldn't be

I can't believe we were talking about Nijago on Sardana cast this is crazy I'm not But I literally To be honest I fell off of Nijago too But yeah like Ninjago movie was Like it wasn't terrible but it was very like For some reason they started like

Like I love how the Lego movie And a Lego Batman movie Everything was made out of Lego bricks But in an Injago movie, they started just adding things that weren't made out of Lego bricks. Like the water wasn't like Lego and stuff like that. I felt like that was kind of like an aesthetic choice that really was a poor aesthetic choice. And then Lego Movie 2 was a lot like the first movie, but musicals. So I don't know.

I really remember nothing about it. Like I've seen it, but it just didn't hit the same way, you know? I like the, there was some good songs, but other than that. I mean, the sets for all these are amazing. Like every time they popped out of language, oh my God. Yeah, like the Lego movie too had that like statue of liberty like Apoclipsburg thing. Yeah. That was insane.

It was so elaborate. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. And, but yeah, it's just like the movies just, the general public was just not taking it. They waited too long and then they just started spamming them out. And then to retain, well, basically, Warner Bros lost the rights and Universal got the rights to the Lego movie. And then Universal put out piece by piece, which is the Farrell Williams Lego movie.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, the thing I didn't watch, that's also another thing I didn't watch. Wait, Alex, did you see it? Yeah, yeah, I did. Of course he did. It was just a strange subject for them to put all of that into, you know?

Like, I've got nothing against Farrell, and I kind of learned some things I didn't know about him through it. And I had Lego weed in it. That was funny. Lego Weed. Lego weed. It was like Lego weed, Lego George Floyd protest. Like, it was kind of interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a Lego George Floyd. Was there a Lego 9-11? Yeah, no, it's at the protest. No, no, no. They didn't mention 9-11. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They had Lego, like, BLM. Because Jake would be so down for that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, Jake loves mentioning 9-11, yeah. But, um... I mean, you'd be a 9-11 set, yeah. I mean, one day. Like, everyone would want that, really.

It would sell. It's a conversation piece. You'd be lying if you... Like, anybody who thinks that's a bad idea is lying to themselves. I would buy it But I mean I don't think Lego ideas actually

They allowed Which is where you could submit your own Lego projects They allowed like a World Trade Center build But it didn't get Unfortunately But yeah

But yeah So that the Farrell Williams thing Flopped And now they're like They have like five or six Lego movies In the works at Universal It's like

What is like a live action Injago thing As if the first one didn't Live action Well Is it Lego anymore What did we talking about that's what I that's what's confusing me I don't know how they're going to do that

oh maybe it's like John Favreau live action maybe that's what they mean like it's like so yeah yeah that you're like that's a real Lego it just feel like a three ninjas type thing creepy it's a different genre and like yeah and there's like there's like this another one by the person who did like I love my dad which was it was like this indie movie where like his dad is like catfishing him or something it was actually like it was kind of of a cringe comedy. It wasn't amazing, but I'm like, okay, like a cringe comedy Lego movie could go hard. Like, I'll watch that. Like, get Nathan Fielder to do. Was that the prequel to fuck my son?

No. What movie are he talking about? Isn't that a real movie? Fuck my son. Yeah, that's the Tiff. That was a Tiff Midnight Madness. Thank you. Okay, that's why they're the only people that call that. No. By the way, I should say, I don't know. People expect me to have. all of my content like child friendly because of Lego but I say I make PG-13 content on my Lego channel so children stop watching this if you are you're not supposed to be watching this thank you also yeah fucking like get off the internet yeah go read a book literally I mean I wish I mean I love my parents but I wish they were like you can't use the internet till you're 18 I wouldn't have been so

effed up as I am now like come on but yeah but then there's like five other like Patty Jenkins the Wonder Woman director is doing a Lego movie. Like, there's a bunch of other fucking Lego. Yeah, there's like 15 an ounce. Like, it's like, and none of them sound promising. So, yeah, except maybe the cringe comedy. That's funny. Yeah, like, but you know, it might be one of those things where it's like,

if they can find a way to make them like cheaply, then maybe maybe that's probably what they're doing. Yeah, I mean, because like piece by piece, even though it flopped, it was made pretty low budget anyways. Yeah. Grandma at the slot machine. You'll get some hits in there. Yeah.

It was crazy because, like, at the piece-by-piece TIF premiere, like, I was there because thankfully, Lego sent me there. But, like, there was, like, a protester who came up and was, like, protesting, like, Pharrell Williams, like, animal abuse or something. And, like, they interrupted, like, Frall-William's speech. It was, it was, like, I didn't expect that at the piece-by-piece premiere. Yeah, it was really, you got to see it online. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Okay. We'll have to look into that later.

Just a weird project, though, that one, all round. Yeah. And in all, what tick me off is it, they, I know like, you know, doing the same thing could be like uninteresting, but like they totally downgraded the animation style where it just looks like kind of like a crappy CG. Like I loved how the first Lego movie made it look like stop motion. That was like insane. And you know, like Lego Batman movie does a great job. And even like Lego movie too and Lego and Djago movie mostly do a great job with that still. So it was like, okay, this just feels like a cheap directed DVD Lego movie now.

And like there was ways that they used pieces that I'm like, this. This is not how Lego pieces accurately work. So, like, yeah. You can't put a hat over a bold cap head because there's no stunts. Sorry. I like how you started a podcast saying that like we both have the same movie opinions and now you're just like, I watch every Lego movie. I'm like, I'm a little lost here.

Jake and I are feeling solidarity. Hey, look, look. I watch every Toy Story movie too, like, you know, but like five sucked ass, but whatever. People aren't ready for that discussion. These guys made me watch the Bionicle movie. That was such a great episode. Oh, my God. The community made us watch the Bionicle movie.

I was happy by that. That was a vote. What is it? Was it like, tequila or whatever it was? Like, that's mine. I still quote it. Oh, iconic. Alex, what is Hunt the Beast again?

It's like a jar thing, right? What was it again? Somebody made a rap or something? No, no, that's, I watched an AI movie called Pine Cone. and it had like songs in it. Yeah. And one of them is called Hunt the Beast. Thank you.

Yeah, all the comments on our Beast episode is just like, hunt the beast. And I'm just like, what's going on? Sometimes we'll get comments that are just like random crazy bullshit. And I'm like, oh, that's, that's Alex's people. Yeah, it's probably the jars. Yeah, that's my fault. Sorry. Put my hands up.

That's Alex. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I'm good at that. Yeah. And that's like how like yesterday, like I uploaded a review on like a video, a news video on like how they have like, an elf Lego set, which Alex out of you saw.

It looks terrible. It looks so scary looking. It looks so bad. But yeah, and then like, everybody was commenting like gay people, gay people, gay people. I'm like, what the fuck is everybody saying? Like, is this like an attack on me? And then like, I looked it up and it was like a YouTube poop meme of like elf where they say gay people. So like I was really confused, honestly.

Sure. All right. We're going to get into the movie discussion very shortly here. But I just have to. So somebody let somebody said in a. comment on the Twitch chat or something that you also disliked the Beast 2023

Oh my gosh I was just curious I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not like a grill you over it you're the majority here if that's the case I was just curious if you wanted to give like a short little capsule review on it Yeah sure um I thought I was definitely with like Alex's opinions there were like I had a hard time like caring about these characters at all especially in the past

segment um well not I mean I guess they're both from the past but you know like the was it 30 segment or something like that um and then when i thought it got to like the was it like 2014 segment um the how it like tackled like influencers and the internet felt almost like old man yells that cloud a bit and also i thought the elliot rogers stuff was irresponsible not irresponsible but like it was poorly handled in terms of like poor taste definitely yeah i don't know I felt like I don't know Yeah

Not like it's hard to say Importase but like it felt like It was not doing anything too interesting with that And like I feel like that's a pretty touchy subject But you know I do like films that Cover touchy subjects and stuff like that But yeah It was cool to see Trash Humpers reference

It was pretty pretty good It's a part of the trash Humpers extended universe Like how everything's like a Cloverfield movie Like Harmony Koreans got his fingers In the scene Yeah, so I really didn't But the score was good I remember that

But yeah, I really didn't like that movie All right So we need to we need to be responsible with our time here So I'm gonna Wait wait one more question I wanted to ask you real quick Okay okay Sarah Favorite living filmmaker

And we can move on Oh Michael Honicky Oh shit Adams of course But he's retired now So what about your favorite working filmmaker Is he still alive Adam He is still alive

Yeah, he is still alive. Working, that's, oh, my, too many to name. The Darden Bros. You know, Mike Lee, Andre Zeguetsky or whatever, you know, the minotaur director for the new movie Loveless. Yeah, all those are fantastic. That's Andre is Ganzaegov versus whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Charlie Kaufman. Christian Mangoo. Oh, you are really Adams on Adam's side here. Literally, I told you, like, I would literally just, like, I found so many, for real. I found so many of my favorite movies of all time just from Adams' nines and eights out of tens

and 10 out of tens and his top 10 lists of the year. Like, I would watch those over and over and over and over again and then, like, find these incredible movies. Because also, like, it's hard to find movie wrecks. And then whenever people do movie reviews and stuff like that, like, they always spoil shit. And, like, I love how Adam doesn't spoil anything, like, when he starts talking about stuff without warning. So, like, I would get great movie wrecks and I wouldn't be spoiled of their experiences. So, nice.

Oh, thank you. Good job, Adam. You're welcome. All right. Well, we should probably get going. All right, Coyote versus Acme. Yes. We all said.

This is a film that is impossible. to discuss without having the knowledge of David Sasslav, who became the CEO when Warner and Discovery merged. And he immediately was like, what's a movie? And just ran the company like a money man instead of a person like owning an art business. and, you know, many things disappeared from HBO Max. And he was doing a thing called like tax write-offing finished movies by just not releasing them because apparently there's some loophole.

And so he did this with Coyote v. Acme. He did this with Catwoman. And since Coyote v. Acme is made by people who wanted to be making a movie, you know, a lot of the animators and people involved had outcry of, social media they were like oh we saw this screening of you know the movie just for the crew and so sad that all these people that pour their heart into it aren't able to see it and then became a bit of a fucking viral thing and some company that no one's ever heard of before called ketchup entertainment but

the distribution rights and now it's like what six years later or some shit like how long has it been since the movie was finished also yeah can we do this for Catwoman because even if it's bad I kind of want to see it I think it's some batwoman It was bat woman. Thank you. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter girl it doesn't matter Yeah yeah it's relevant just trying to say in the comments I think that will never happen with Batgirl because like Supergirl flop so hard they're like yeah we we got Not about the money protect these brands I know I wish it wasn't about the money Which is yeah but like DC is or you know warderbrose is never let that get out I feel like

is sad. Someone needs to be a hero. Remember the Sony leaks? Apparently it was never edited from what I heard. So it's just like clips that were filmed. Somebody should assemble it. We need the cut. Yeah, that's what's unique about the coyote versus Acme is that it was completely finished. Like all the animation and everything. Yeah. Totally done. Yeah, the bad girl thing

that that'd be a little different because I don't think they ever finished it. Imagine being the lead. Yeah. That would have been like she would, that would have been her fucking You got nothing to show for it. Like, yeah. I think like one of the main supporting roles in that movie was played by a trans woman too. So we got some good representation. That's why they shelved it.

Oh, no. So yeah, it's impossible to talk about Coyote versus Agme without it being in that context. And I was watching it. And I think I think that like I still would have rated it the same sort of thing. Like I feel like my experience with the film was basically the same. Yeah, it was for me. It didn't, that didn't affect my rating at all. Yeah, because I don't know about you lot, but I kind of wish I liked this more.

Because I think on paper from a concept level, this is a really funny idea. Like, it's a really clever, cool idea. But I got to admit, I just didn't really love the execution. It has its moments. It's cute. It's fine. I haven't thought about it once since seeing it a few days ago. Because the bar for me is Roger Rabbit.

I think that's just how you do it. That's another impossible thing to not think about. Yeah, exactly. I will say it cleared fucking, what is it called? I was going to say Alvin in chipmugs, rescue rangers. Like, it was better than that. Yeah, I have seen that, but I don't remember that. I guess, I don't know, part of it for me was like a visual thing.

I don't know much about Dave Green. There's like a Ninja Turtle movie in there that he directed, but he's no Robert Zemakas, you know, and just the implementation of that. I was just watching clips of it earlier to remind myself how good Roger Rabbit looks and the way it combined everything and actually used 2D animation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

I've always had an issue with turning 2D characters into 3D. Cell shading. Yeah, the cell shading. Like when they put the Simpsons in 3D and like for the games and stuff, I find it so like freaky looking. And I know they're like trying their best. There's like budgetary concerns. They don't have the same amount of resources. I guess the Roger Rabbit did and this kind of thing.

And I was looking at the process of how they did it and it was like a sketch viz kind of process where 2D artists were drawing on the live footage. But it just doesn't hit for me. It doesn't, especially when, without spoiling anything, there is like a scene in the movie where it's like, oh, there's the character. And they like, for this character, they look 2D and they put the love and soul into that. but for the lead character, especially when so much of the communication with Wiley, who is non-verbal and communicates everything through just pure expressions and the signs.

Yeah. It just wasn't hitting for me. It didn't have the kind of the timing of the movement, even though, you know, a lot of love went into the movie. It just wasn't, I just wasn't feeling it,

especially with, and again, like the comparison is going to be Roger Rabbit again and again. That's like this noir film, and it has these rules to the world building that like might seem kind of unnecessary, but they really enrich it with like framing the cartoon logic with stuff like the mcuffins that can kill them within the world and kind of putting rules on it and establishing this kind of difference between what's going on.

Whereas here it's it's just like pure cartoon logic and it's just a little, it's like the same length as Roger Rabbit and it just feels like there's not enough going on here. The script's kind of weak. It has the like fallout moment towards the end and it's just like a lot of expected stuff There was like two fallout moments because like the yeah okay why I don't know if we are talking spoilers yet so I mean well I don't think anybody gives a shit about spoilers for this movie yeah yeah okay there's like yeah literally yeah yeah I mean like you can't spoil anything you what are you talking where what's it I was I don't even know what Alex was talking about when he said spoiler I was

about bugs bonnie man oh my gosh like but yeah it was like will forte and is like these like they fall out because it's like, I thought you're being a lawyer for good or something like that. And then, like, later on, it's like, oh, you're, Wiley Coyote, why you're just trying to get the roadrunner or whatever. During one of those, I thought that it was like the appropriate level of like I could view it partially ironically as well. Like one of them I felt like it was silly enough that like the, even though for sure to many it would read as like entirely earnest, like I was able to be in this like it's both. Kind of mindset But yeah, no, I mean like there were undeniably parts where it was like going for more of a sentimental thing where it didn't click I I do feel though that it wasn't like entirely

Amiss every time they tried like when fucking Roadrunner was at the end was like when you come back? I was like aw Because there's like a big history You know, I thought that was forest honestly, but sure, but I went on. I? Uh, I, yeah, I will say, uh, I, I did, I kind of liked like Will Forte, like, I thought he was decent at like interacting with these animated characters, which usually doesn't work for me. Um, so I liked that. That made them feel a little bit more real. And for the cell shading and everything, I thought it looked worse with like the human tune. So like, uh, Dr. Lori and like, um, oh yeah, he was weird. He looked so, like shitty honestly. Like, like, but. Like, I didn't mind as much with, like, Wiley Coyote. Like, I thought they did a decent job, like, making that look like a two, you know, 2D animated design and things like that. But, like, they would flash back to like, oh, here's all these classic, like,

Wiley Coyote and Roadrunner moments. And it's like, fuck, that just looked so much better. And also, like, the visual gags we saw on those were way funnier. And then, like, the gags they had at the beginning of the movie were like, like the whole sequence in the beginning of the movie with Wiley Coyote and Roadrunner, I thought was like really not like funny or creative and I was kind of missing that throughout the whole movie. I was enjoying myself with the cartoon slapstick. I feel like it was delivering in that sense for me.

It wasn't like passing any bars. It wasn't going like above and beyond. But I feel I feel like it was doing its job and it fulfilled its premise in that sense. In terms of the animation style with cell shading, I don't think that it lacked expression per se. like they were able to do a lot with that style of animation. But I mean, it's still just like pales in comparison to traditional. I was not even a question. It's one of those things where it's like, you know, I'm trying, I watched the trailer

and just thought like, well, I don't like it. And I wish it was this old way that I'm familiar with. And I was like trying to challenge myself in my head. It's like, is it just because, you know, I'm nostalgic for it. You know, like, is this something that I can get used to? And then I'm watching the movie and then like immediately when it starts, I had that same feeling. And, you know, like I was used to it over the course of the film. But, I mean, like, even Space Jam, you know?

Yeah, the animation looks better, the 2D stuff. Space Jam is like a fucking fantastic animated live action movie in many ways. And it's also shit. But it, you know. Yeah, the concept is. sucks for space jam. I just think of that inflation scene. Like there's an itch that I have. There's an itch that I have. They kind of have the inverse problem, right? The concept sucks with space jam, but the execution

is the actual animation and what it's like playing with and the ode that it's working with. Like, that stuff works. I don't think the directing was bad in this also. I don't think that it was poorly directed for combining the two elements. Like I thought that there was like a good energy and a good amount of like intent for like how shots moved but then I caught myself remembering like okay yeah but it's not really 2D so like what they're doing here is no different than like you know how they would film like an Alvin in the Chipmunks movie you know so it's like the same consider it's similar considerations but it's not the same you know I was happy that like there wasn't really like it wasn't

like loaded with like pop culture references and things like that like shitty space jam too and even like fucking the I like this better than the day the earth blew up which was the other same distributed by ketchup uh entertainment I didn't even watch it yeah it was there was like oh like you have a seat of daffy duck like twerking for Instagram followers oh no a lot more like gross out like fart humor and stuff like that like this felt like it wasn't sinking to like a low bar for its humor which I appreciate. But I also, I didn't really laugh much. Like I was expect, I wanted this to be funny and fun. And it's like this, the slapstick isn't really landing with me like these old Looney Tunes shorts did. And the character jokes aren't really creative or funny. It's a high bar.

Yeah, it is a high bar. But also, like, the funniest scene in the movie to me was Tweety Bird and John Cena in the desert. I thought that was actually really funny. I literally wrote that down. I literally wrote that down. Yeah, that was like, John Cina, like, honestly, like, I usually don't find out funny, but like his interactions with Tweetybird here was actually kind of funny. Like what the heck? I wanted more of him, honestly. I thought him and Martha Kelly, where the comedy stand there was. She's like, she just really, her dryness just tickles me in. Like anything that she's in. I love her. There's a, there's a movie she's in that I loved her. And I was like, I want more of her.

But yeah. Yeah, yeah. I do want to talk more about the performances. But first, Jake, what did you think? You haven't said anything. Oh, yeah. Because it's a good movie. I liked it. It's good. It's good. Fun time. I don't know what you all are complaining about. Are any of you Looney Tunes Back in Action, Truthers? Any of you? Oh, truthers.

I've seen it. I've seen it. I don't remember a single thing about it. I like the scene when they're in the, what was it? Like, they're in the museum or something like that, and it was funny. And they run through the paintings. Yeah. Well, I happen to think Looney Tunes Back in Action is an underrated film.

Okay. I think, you know, I watched that. That was, I've never seen who framed Roger Rabbit. So maybe I'm, you know, left out of high quality art, you know. But to me, I'm like, Looney Tunes Back in Action. That's the apex of animated characters being in, and, you know, Space Jam is good, too. You know, fun movies. I like Looney Tunes.

I like Bugs Bunny. I love him. He's a friend of mine. I thought this movie was good. And I think that largely it's because the concept is just really good. Like, I don't know how you can do much better than coyote suing Acme because of all of his injuries and you know it becomes like a legal like thriller almost like they're uncovering conspiracy like and you got all the all this that's fuck it's ludicunes it's fun i mean i don't know

how they could have done better job with it like come on it's i feel like it was a really fun time i feel like the one thing i really didn't like was it felt a little too fast it felt a bit ticotky especially the beginning of like we got to get the kids engaged but once it got through that point. I was like, yeah, we got Will Forte, National Treasure, first off. I love Will Forte. And he's, he's playing this lawyer who's a loser. He sucks. He doesn't care about his job. And Wiley Coyote has to get him to care. Like, come on. And then like you were saying, Adam, this movie warmed your heart at the end. It warmed your heart. How, how unique is that, you know, to have the roadrunner go beep, beep. And you went, aw, you know, like, that's some,

it's doing something right. And I will say in terms of the visual guy, No, it's not going to compare to classic Looney Tunes. I don't think anything again. But, you know, there were little details in scenes that I really admired. Like, when they go to this place called Scary Street, there are these two spiders on the sign. And it's like, if you aren't paying attention, you can miss it. You know, it's really quick. But the big spider pulls out a knife and the little spider pulls out some money.

And just like the fact that they took time to do that, I'm like, that's nice. I like that little gag. So there's a lot to admire about it. It's a perfect no. But I thought in terms of for what it was trying to do, I'm like, yeah, I can't really imagine a much better version of that personally for me. I think it's succeeded at what it was trying to do as well. And I also think overall I would say this is a good movie. You know, I do have my criticisms.

I don't agree that they couldn't have made a better movie. I feel like there's... I think every movie could be better. Because it's Roger Rabbit, yeah. They just kind of nailed it before. So it's like this unfortunate comparison point for all of these, this style of movie, like this kind of gimmick. like it's just like you can't really execute on it better like the opening of like Roger Rabbit that when they

are doing like a new like classic animated skit and then it turns into the live action stuff it's like what a flex the animation there and it's like so creative and wacky and like a yeah like a new character and stuff where it's yeah just I really wanted to love it more I did with like the whole backstory and all of it but it just kind of felt fairly humdrum even though there are a bunch of good jokes like loads of good jokes, kind of sprinkled throughout.

But it just, it didn't have like a cohesive kind of reveal there to me or, because there is like the mystery angle, just like this, like a like a kind of murder mystery and Roger Rabbit. But they were like reveal there was just kind of like, okay, sure, like this is like a cartoon. Obviously that's what you want it to be, but it's just that comparison point. I just know it can be better. I know that you can do more than I just wish the direction was a bit more. flagrant or just some of the supporting cast perhaps were better like the one person there's one person that could have been better and I know who you're talking yeah yeah

yeah the one person who did who didn't feel like a fucking actor comedian it was the niece yeah yeah didn't need that character though Lana Condor yeah I was who let's see I'm gonna have to look up her net Lana Connor I thought she was fine I have no idea who the fuck she, I have no idea who she is, but like, no, she was horrendous. I like, this is the one thing that I will like absolutely shit on here is just because like I was watching her in a way that like, you know, sometimes you're watching a movie and there's like a scene where there's a bunch of extras and you catch one doing something like really, really funny. And then you're like, oh my God, that was hilarious. And then you're just locked on to them and

you're hoping that they show up in the background of more scenes because they're so bad and it's so funny. It was like that but she's a main character, right? And so like every single time like another character was talking, I'd be looking at her and she wouldn't know what the fuck to do with her hands and she would be like overreacting to like every single line, every single sentence. She'd have like a like some fucking, like it's like she just has no idea how to fucking act natural at any millisecond of the entire movie. She's like the epitome of like the people don't walk like that from Synecdicti, New York. It's just like she doesn't even know like how to just exist without saying dialogue, right? Like it was crazy. Like she she felt

so out of place. Oh my God. I literally didn't notice it for one second. No, that's fine. Yeah, that's what she said out for sure. No, she was a she was unique in the film. I know, you know, I'm trying. I don't want to be mean, but it was just like that was a very strong feeling that I had throughout that, throughout that film. And it only got stronger as it went along and I was just like what the fuck is happening it was crazy I like I like I like how they they brought back a pepe le pew for like once he cancel him that was a good gag that was a good gag that was one of the better gag is you know shouts out to skunk for sonas they're on the jewels like gag as well yeah oh that okay yeah at first I was like oh we're we're doing

this song again like uh I hear this song in so much like 2000 tens movies and stuff like that but then, you know, they have the meep-meeps and stuff like that or beep-beeps, whatever. And I was like, okay, that's kind of funny. Like, I'll take it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was fun. Because they were censoring out the words, yeah. Yeah, no, it was cute.

I liked when all the Senate and senators were convinced by Foghorn, leghorn being like, yeah, so we test our products and torture these cartoons. Who cares? It's for your benefit. And they're all like, you know what, you're right. This is great. Like, why do we care? That was like, I was like, damn, that's really fucking dark.

That was a good positioning of that character. Yeah, I wanted more of him. Like, that's such a fun, like, use of that character. He's still, like, evil. Yeah. So, like, something that I was thinking, watching this, and maybe this is just my fucking dumb, conspiracy brain.

It's like this movie, so it was, like, two movies that we know of, like, the Bat Girl and the Coyote v. Acme, and maybe there were some more? I don't remember. But, like, those were the two major ones. But it's not like Warner Bros doesn't have like a lot of other releases and a lot of things that like were probably more destined to be flops even, you know?

And so part of me was thinking like just like as soon as the movie started, I'm like, is there like a political angle to this? Because it's very, you know, it's it's evoking those ideas of like, okay, there's a giant corporation that's controlling everything and trying to like bully people into, submission and settlements and you know it's a real like the people versus acme sort of thing and I'm wondering if maybe Zaslaf was like I don't want people thinking this you never know you never know sure that had some influence the beginning literally says that water pros is a subsidiary of Acme so there you yeah yeah subsidiary oh there you go there you go it's all

good. Yeah, no, I thought it was cute. I thought it was fun. But it just, it's something that I'm not going to go back to. Yeah, agreed. I love Looney Tunes

so much. All the classic ones. So do I? For the short amount of time that I had HBO Max because I was in Atlanta, because they don't have it in Canada. I would, I literally just like went through every Looney Tunes film and I got to somewhere in the 60s and I don't remember exactly where I left off.

But I want to continue that because like I would watch like every single one of them again. Because even the ones that aren't like great, they're so short and digestible in the animation special. And some of them have like some fucking banger songs in them, like some old classic shit that I'm just like waiting for them to get to public domain so I can remix or something, you know. Don't worry because you can't even do it anymore because I'm pretty sure. HBO Max removed the Looney Tunes shorts. Yeah, yeah, David, I mean, has he even still CEO? Is there another CEO now? I don't know.

Are they even, like, what, did they unmerge? It's confusing, to be honest. They've, like, they, I remember they, like, rebranded back to HBO Max instead of Max or something. Oh, my God, it's such a mess. Is David still there? Okay, David's still CEO and president. Good for him. He's hanging on.

Way to go. You know, I always, whenever I think of David Sasslaf as this person who's like very openly and very brazenly publicly, like destroying and censoring art for his own profit, whenever I think of him, I think about all the fucking quote unquote movie YouTubers that managed to sneak in right-leaning politics into every single video they make. And how they've all made if you just do use the little search bar on their channel and search like fucking Rachel Ziegler or like Kathleen Kennedy or whatever there'll be there'll be thousands of videos of these women ruining movies right from like whatever decisions they made and then you search David Sass laugh no videos except what I actually I literally did this except one channel where he had two videos calling David Zaslav based and he had like thumbnails being like epic

epic cool guy destroy a stupid bat girl who was woke probably and that's probably why the movie got canceled. I'm like, okay, very interesting. Well, Adam, I think I know why people are talking about David Zaslov less and that's because there's a new corporate villain of the week which is the paramount, what is that, David Ellison? who's the Paramount guy? I'll have to look at it.

I don't know. That sounds about right. But he's the kind of because they're trying to do the merger, right? Yeah. I mean, this is, people have had a good five years to make a video about David Zassel

still, you know, before David Ellison became, became the CEO or whatever. Or before he became in the news. Maybe it was just a response to Cerebrought up a space jam, new legacy,

a film I'd completely forgotten. about. I kind of bombed too with an enormous $150 million budget. Maybe they just read the tea leaves. It was like a post COVID like 2021. It was like 20201. That was when they released it on fucking

HBO Max either at the same time or within the same week because like you can go back to fucking Christopher Nolan's filmography and be like oh yeah, Tenet bombed. But it's like yeah, that was the COVID one where they released it on digital at the same time. Yeah. I don't know what

kind of metrics they have. But I mean, like, it's not really, can we say it's not really like worked as far as like a box office return anyway? It feels almost like the morbidst thing where it's like everyone online is like, yeah, re-release it, man. We'll go see it. Like, no one has gone to see it. It's like, oh, that's kind of a shame. It would have been cool if maybe people did come out to see this in droves and maybe we've got more of this kind of thing because there is like a concept there. I like seeing it as an idea as fun. To watch these characters interact in the real world. It's funny. but it's not really working out

look it was a finished movie you already spent the money you already spent the money on it yeah yeah this is nice and Alex you said fun to see these characters interact in the real world but then I'm thinking of like the 2010s where like we had like smirfs and like Marmaduke

where it's like oh these characters are in New York or whatever yeah it's kind of just spent isn't it like yeah it was nailed once and then just ever since then it just gets worse and worse over time time. Like, new legacies. Oh my god, that film. So, fucking awful. Yeah. I keep thinking about how Rick and Morty were in there. That was such a stupid. Yeah. I mean, everyone, fucking big, big Chungus was in it. They wouldn't put Pepe Lepeu in there, but they put the freaking clockwork orange droogs. Like, come on. Yeah. So fucked up. That may be pissed off.

Justice for Pepe. What would you guys rate this movie? I gave it a six. Like I thought it was solid. You know, I thought it was perfectly fine. And it did what it tried to do. But yeah, like it still starved. The itch has not been scratched for like what I should get out of the genre.

But, you know, what they did with what they did with what the tools that they had. It was, it was solid. And it's fine. It's good. Yeah, that's a good way putting it. I'm slightly under you. I'd give it like a two and a half star, like right down the middle. With a like is a good elevator pitch. I think it needed a slightly better script or director, all the stuff

with comparing coyote to Cicephas and that. That's funny. It's like good jokes in there, but I'm never going to think about this again. Yeah, I'd give it a five out of ten. And on the lower side of that, I just, I don't know, the writing really didn't connect with me. But at least it wasn't making me grown like the

freaking day the earth blew up and like I said animation I liked better than say like the Rescue Rangers movie and stuff like that and I thought Will Forte was fun and some of the other supporting characters All right Yeah I guess I'll give it a

I'm thinking high six or low seven I'm wavering But yeah It's a good time Yeah or none of our ratings are that far off then Yeah yeah We're all around the same spot We're not so different, you and I.

My favorite line. I love that line. What are we doing next? What are we talking about next? Yeah, we could do it. I'd be down to do a little thing about Camp Miasma if that's fine. Yeah? Yeah.

Do it. Do it. Okay, cool. We saw Can't, well, the full title was, what, teenage, sex, and death at Camp Miasma. That's the one. The new Jane Schoenbrun film. And I, you know, it's always fun seeing a director make like a really small thing that like nobody's ever fucking heard of. And you're like, I see a lot of potential in that, even if it wasn't great, which was the case with, we're all going to the world's fair, Jane's first film.

And then fucking their What was the movie called? The sequel? TV glow. Yeah, I saw the TV glow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Pink of Hey.

Love that that blew up and propelled their career. But why I didn't like. And I was like, okay, there's a lot of things about this that I like, but there's things holding me back from like really treating this seriously. narratively and especially performance-wise, Justice Smith fucking sucked. But I knew that even though I didn't dislike that movie, I knew that like a lot of elements were still there of things where I saw potential for Jane to create something that really connected with me.

And I'm so happy that this film finally did it because I was anticipating it. And I loved it. I actually really enjoyed this film a lot. Yeah. I was with you with, you know, World's Fair. That was really cool. Had potential wasn't perfect. TV glow, I didn't like as well.

And I love what it did for people, though, because I know so many trans people who were like, oh, I had my trans awakening with I saw the TV glow. So that's awesome. But yeah, it just didn't connect with me on a writing level and also like Justice Smith performance, like you said. But I also really liked Camp Measma. but yeah Alex

yeah I'm right there with you too nice okay because I didn't see the the first film that you're talking about going to the world's fair I did enjoy TV globe maybe slightly more

than you too but there was something lacking for me but this is like this is like the inverse of Kioti for me where I've been thinking about this film a lot it's nice

just visually it's very memorable like from a color palette from its like atmosphere in tone. It's very dreamlike and surreal. Those map paintings. Oh, my God. Oh, that was so cool. Yeah. Every time they do that, it was the setting of it and how kind of contained and focused it was with these two characters and the self-awareness to it, getting the industry commentary in there, the idea of this director that's been hired to make this kind of cool, the slasher sequel. And like,

just from the word go, from that title sequence and like establishing this like history of this made up new original slasher design and the visuals of all of that and like the toys they made and it's so creative and cool the way that was put together like tongue and cheek but the sense of humor that's never like irritating about it and one of the things I did like about TV glow was this kind of idea that this director seems to be quite impassioned about that being like about how media consumption when you're young has this long lasting impact or effect on you and how that can kind of like manifest. And the way that's explored through the movie is very cool and satisfying,

especially as it gets towards the end and the narrative kind of breaks open completely. Yeah, really is satisfying. And I love Gillian Anderson too. I also I thought main girl, Hannah, I wasn't familiar with her. I haven't watched hacks. And I thought she was really great. Oh, yeah, very well cast. The most grounded character out of all the characters,

Because a lot of the characters, they feel like they're playing with, like, tropes and things like that, but in a fun and creative way. So, yeah, and I love how this explored, you know, how media has impressions on people, because I fucking love, and it's so rare. I love movies that explore, like, fetishes and kinks. And this has a lot of that in here. And, like, it makes, because it makes movies, like, I don't know, like, the invite feel so, like, milk-toasty. Normie to me. Literally, I'm like, oh, these people are crazy. And it's like the most normie shit in the queer community.

But I'm like, fuck. Like, this is like talking about. It's like, oh, no, yeah, that movie pissed me off. You can have sex with more than one person? What? It fissed me the fuck. Like, honestly, oh, I hate that movie, the invite. Sorry, sorry.

I know it's good. But, yeah, no, but like this was like talking about like gore fetishes and bimbobification and transformation. I'm like, holy fuck. Like, oh my gosh. really connected with me. I was like, holy, I've never seen this disgust on screen. And like, this is fucking awesome. Also very personal.

And there's a great dynamic between those two leads. Like, I love exploring their relationship. So much chemistry. There's like so, you know, there's been, there's been so many, like, queer romance stories out there, if we want to call it a romance story. Like, sure, yeah, it is. But there's, I find so often that, like, I'm not really buying. it's not necessarily that I'm not buying the relationship

it's just that I'm not getting much out of like the interactions or dynamics but in this film this was like you know it was pretty immediate with like these subtleties in the performance and the looks that they're giving each other and stuff I'm like okay the tension is there it's real and it's fucking cute

and it's fun to watch and the lead played did such a great job at performing this like cute but really awkward character in a way that was still unique and not like fucking tropey stereotypical but just very much like a Jane stand-in sort of thing. It's really like real person. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, it was great casting.

I don't think we mentioned to the listeners, Jake wasn't able to catch this one. Yes. Oh, yeah. Thank you for mentioning that. Yeah. So it was just nowhere near where I could see it in this amount of time and just not playing anywhere near me. So please expand the film, whoever is distributing this movie. I want to see it. Yeah, yeah. And it's not really something that can be like spoiled through our discussion so

much, really. Yeah. Yeah, it's not one of those. And I think you would enjoy it. I would recommend it for sure, Jake. No, it sounds awesome. It sounds really interesting. Yeah, it's dope. It's a movie where it's like it's like it's critiquing and satirizing I guess like if you want to get specific about it it's like Friday the 13th with how they're you know there's like a a horror franchise in the universe and you can tell by like

the way that they talk about certain movies like if you've watched things from that genre in that era of films you know that when they're saying things like, oh yeah, five kind of went into different direction and then six, they brought it back to basics. I'm like, oh, it's Friday the 13th, you know, just like there's very hyper-specific things. But it's also a critique just like on the genre and the era of like 80s slasher's and, you know, spamming a movie over and over and over again until it's like unprofitable. And then yeah, no, I love how it works itself into the present day and it.

its commentary on like not just the film landscape and not just like creativity, but also like, um, I, I love how we get like this, the, the parody of the business meetings and like Zoom calls. And like there's Lou META on top of meta and there's there's commentary on top of commentary. And it almost feels like if you were to describe this to a person, they'd be like, oh, I've seen that before. Because, you know, there's been meta movies before, but I feel like this adds enough layers. Like, it's aware of it also being, like, it's adding fresh new spins at every opportunity and, and proving itself as, like, a unique take and a personal take at the same time, too. And it doesn't do the, like, I was scared it was going to do the kind of Deadpool shortcut where it's like, yeah, we're going to poke front of it. We're just going to do it, though, you know, on a school level.

Yeah, yeah. It doesn't. It has more to say, and it has this central character and this, like, really fleshed out. about like being comfortable with herself and like her sexuality and all of it. It's really clever. Yeah. The way it's put together like that. Yeah, it's recontextualizing on top of recontextualizing.

Yeah, I was going to say there was there, uh, you mentioned Friday the 13th. There was also a lot on like sleepaway camp. Yeah, okay. That would be a blind spot of mine then. Yeah, because for me, I mean, to be fair, Friday the 13th is a blind spot of mine. Like I haven't seen any of those movies. Sure. Uh, sleep away camp.

Yeah. Like the first one is. pretty damn transphobic and I think they were directly commenting a lot of that film and how the like a lot of the villains' origin and things like that.

But also that's like an origin that's similar to, you know, Jason and all these other characters. But yeah. Yeah, no, I love that it comes at it from like a perspective of you know, the character, the main character

still finds like enjoyment and endearment out of these franchises, despite like the problematic elements and despite being in the year like fucking what this is said in 2026 but yeah um despite being in like current day and looking back at these things like retrospectively

and still finding like the love and beauty and in these things even though they're like slop you know there's like slasher schlock things you know and I found myself so there's there's really fun moments in the movie where they'll do like an editing homage sort of thing

where you'll get like a really cheesy freeze frame on like a character's face and like a music sting and it's like oh that's very fun like that's very silly and then when it was I was having like an interesting experience

over the course of the film because initially when it was showing footage of these movies within the movie initially I was like okay well you know I wish looked a bit more authentic because you know like I could tell that there was a bit more

effort put into the cinematography of these things and it's like okay well if this is like a schlocky thing why are we getting a oneer here yeah and then you know we get into like an actual like a the the slasher scene and I'm like okay well they didn't have this effect back then right like and it looks great for what it's doing and I love how creative it was but I was finding myself just being like, yeah, do I, you know, like I wish it was more authentic.

But then over the course of that one scene where we get that, I forget the band who did the song. Is it counting crows? Yeah, yeah. Where it's just like, the juxtaposition of tone here, it made itself so clear

what it was trying to do over the course of that scene where it was having a lot of fun with it and doing some really fucking awesome creative, visually interesting and emotionally satisfying, particularly being a unique emotional experience with juxtaposition.

I was like, okay, this isn't trying, the goal of this film is not to be like an authentic, like one-to-one, here's what old movies were like. This is to have a marriage of different styles. This is to create something new out of it and give us like an entirely different experience. And at that moment, I was like, okay, I'm all in. And I was just, yeah, it was great.

It just takes it so far. Because I was seeing some complaints about like the CG blood and stuff like that. But I kind of felt similarly about that too. It's like just so over the top and kind of creative with the way they use it. It was fun. It just didn't really bug me. So much fun. Yeah.

And I felt that from the first like the first like, I don't know, what, three minutes of the movie because they have that like first killer or whatever. And you see like the CG like puddle blood or whatever. Like that from that I was like okay this is like a different like this is this is probably Go in some way where it's like doing a distinct thing then straight one-to-one recreating these things I love the opening sequence of you know where they showed the whole franchise history Yeah yeah oh that was fucking awesome that was so fucking great way to communicate information Oh yeah that was so very visually appealing too yeah jane's films have always had like a I mean maybe not so much world's fair because that was just like made for five

dollars. But like immediately from from TV glow, I could always I could tell immediately I'm like, okay, there's a very strong not only like visual aesthetic style from this director, but also like tone and vibe. Like that's that's something that I, even though not loving TV glow overall, that's something that I was like, okay, yeah, this is a tone and vibe movie. And the way that they're able to replicate these. feelings that are like partially nostalgic, but also partially new and like contemporary and kind of marry them together.

Like there's such a distinct feel. And I love feeling that there's like an actual vision, like a strong feeling that Jane wanted to share with people. And then being able to just effectively communicate that through art, I think is fantastic. Yeah. I love the score. also loved how songs were used. Very versatile. Yeah.

Like, again, lots of juxtpositions of like expectations of what you would, and different feelings and things like that. And I thought it had a fantastic score and soundtrack and how it was used. But also great small roles. Like Kevin McDonald shows up for a little bit. Like he was a lot of fun. And we had a Luis cavio, which was awesome. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah. I like I mentioned earlier to the mat paintings I absolutely loved how that looked there's a lot of times where it's like okay yeah this looks like a set and like it's okay because it's not taking itself like super grounded in our reality and it's doing something artistic exactly that's so surreal yeah that's like that you know it's almost like saying like under the silver lake oh it's like oh you can tell it's a matte painting it's like yeah that's a choice and also like Okay, so there was one thing that kind of annoyed me with the movie, but also, I do have to think about how seriously it was taking itself there.

But like, there is a lot of product placement, but like in terms of like, there's all this candy that is showed. The candy stuff, yeah. Yeah. And at some points, it feels a bit too far where I'm like, okay, I think you're just kind of advertising here, even though I know there's some satirical angle to it. But there's sometimes I love when they use food in here. Like, there's a fantastic KFC sequence with like, like, dipping chicken. oh my gosh it made me so hungry for chicken and stuff like that and that was shot excellently yeah that's yeah it's funny bringing up a bunch of things that like normally would

bug me but the way it's just so kind of confidently framed here it just it just works it like looks together because what you were saying adam about that like one a scene I was thinking the exact same thing but it just winds up not being bothersome I just yeah I just think it really came together nicely I looked this up and I was reaffirming what my suspicions where it was not product placement. It was just a choice because I assumed as much that it wasn't like a paid ad because the way it was showing it was so like comfort endearing nostalgia, right? Like it's supposed to be a familiar feeling.

So like in that way, in that sense, like you wouldn't really be able to capture that from like creating a fake like Quentin Tarantino brand or something. Right? Like I said, like I think I think the purpose of showcasing. the brand is like a part of the art here where it's not it's not literally like a paid ad well it's evoking that feeling isn't it yeah putting on a horror movie when you're a bit too young and exactly and you're putting the M&Ms in it and yeah because yeah it didn't really strike me as egregious okay yeah yeah yeah yeah no it's supposed to like tap into your

fucking memory and be like oh I used to eat candy I guess it if it's If it was more chocolate based, then I would have been, it would have tapped into my member because I hate fruit candy and stuff like that, like Jolly Ranchers. So, yeah, that's worse. Well, the smarties that they showed, which is a Canadian candy, that is chocolate. Yes. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. They had that in the KF, or sorry, not KFC, the Kit Kat, the Canadian Kikat design.

Sorry, what's the, there's a difference between Canadian and U.S. KitKad designs? Yeah, the box, the packaging looks different if you look at both of them. It's the colors and stuff like that. Oh, wow. I get really like, I'm obsessed with like junk food, like fast food and candy and chips and stuff like that. So I go into the weeds with the stuff. But yeah, I mean, hey, the KFC scene, freaking I was in there was like, I wish I was fucking eating KFC. And the popcorn with the raisinets.

I was like, oh, fuck. Yeah. That was amazed. So, you know, they did get me with that stuff. And I want to say also like, I mean, I want to specifically talk about like the very end. So I don't know if that's going to be too spoilerier or things like that. I know you. I mean, Jake, you can mute or plug your ears.

If you think if you think that it's a spoiler thing, then we can protect. Go ahead. I'm not scared of spoiler. Okay. Well, I was just like, I thought the ending was like, at first I was like, oh, this is running on a bit too long. Like maybe they could have just ended with like these two just like kind of like dead on the bed. But then it started like recontextualizing itself to me. And I'm like, oh, like them kind of like, you know, just going on with their day and stuff.

that right after this all happened and just going to like the convenience store and everything. It was very pro like fucked up kink play. Like I don't know. Like I kind of love that where it's like, okay, like at the end of it like it was all just this fantasy and like, you know, we got fucking fucking murdered and stuff. But like we're just like, you know, we're furthering our relationship by the end. We're just going on like the day is, you know, is still going on and stuff like that. And I thought that was really endearing and also something that I haven't seen from other movies. So yeah. Yeah, no, I actually didn't really feel like the length much at all for this film.

I was just like in it and just happy to be along for the ride. As the film like progressed and went along, it was just adding new layers and new ideas and just things to constantly think about and, you know, have my brain be picked throughout the film. And I was more just curious like, how are you going to wrap this up? And they just kind of went for the, let's just go nuts here. Let's do it. Yeah.

I like that about it. Fuck, yeah. Yeah. No, it was a lot of fun. And everybody had so much screen presence, too. Like, it wasn't just, like, well-performed. It was like, okay, these are characters that I enjoy seeing, just, like, whatever they are doing.

It's just fun to watch them. Again, a lot of memorable, like, small roles and things like that I always love. Yeah. Yeah, every provide. Yeah, I really loved it. And I don't know. Should I give my rating? I'd give it an 8 out of 10.

Oh, shit. What about you, Alex? Yeah, I feel like I'm nearly there. I want to watch it again. I'm feeling a really strong high, 3.5 star, nearly an a out of 10 for me. Yeah, no, I loved this. I thought it was fantastic. eight out of ten.

I feel I feel very optimistic about Jane's future filmography and I'm very excited for them to make more stuff.

I'm glad, you know, it's one of those things where I think Jane tweeted this or something at some point. I don't remember where I saw this. But they were saying something along the lines of just like understanding the position that they're in where like they're basically the only, like, trans filmmaker. Like, in this kind of, I consider there to be, like, kind of like a, okay, I'm, I was just about to interject my own opinion, and I wanted to clarify that that's not

what Jane tweeted. There's kind of, like, this new wave of, like, trans filmmaking happening right now, where like it's Jane you got Louise you got who was people's Joker Vera Vera Drew

Very Drew of just these like Henry Hanson Shouts out small indie trans filmmakers that are just like creating really weird stuff that is

essentially like gaining success not even necessarily through mainstream recognition, but just from so many trans people connecting with it. And that's super cool. But yeah, Jane mentioned somewhere the position that they're in to be able to like make films that are around like the what, like $10 million range or whatever.

I'm, I'm very happy that Jane's able to do this because like, you know, we've been saying on this podcast for a long time, like we want more. medium budget films in general. Like not everything has to be a fucking $100 million dumb thing, right? Not everything has to be a tiny little no money indie thing. Like we want more things that are just like, oh, okay, there was enough money here for like a real artist to be able to show something really cool and do it really well. But not like have it be bloated or excessive, right?

It didn't even feel cheap or anything Like I thought it no Yeah No no no I was like really impressed yeah Yeah no The whole thing was Very

Very nice looking I'm looking forward to the future Yeah I mean I still got to see Is it puppy girl I think it is Like That one movie I've heard of it Henry Hansen

Yeah But I gotta see that still I'm hyped for that one Okay Awesome. And now, should we do the movie recommendation or Alex, do you have to be? Can we do a P-break real quick? Yeah, I wouldn't mind being.

I'm just calling you out by name. Yeah. Alex. Call him on my bladder right now. All right. There was a film recommended that Sarah recommended. It was. Yeah.

So peppermint candy by Lee Chang Dong because two people on this podcast hated Oasis. And I needed to clear the good name. Oh, yeah. No. No, I actually, like, y'all didn't click with Oasis so much, Adam did. I wanted to kind of give back because because of Oasis, I found peppermint candy earlier this year and I fell in love with it. It was my favorite movie that I saw this year. That's like an older movie.

It's funny because last year's was three women, which I know Jake loves. I love three women. Please recommend that someday. But anyways, peppermint candy from 1999. It's basically examining a character study about a guy. That's the most I want to say about it.

You know, it's just observing guy. Yeah. Yeah. South Korean film. It's a silly guy. Yep, silly guy. Yeah

But yeah I absolutely love this film and I love how it tells its story and I love what it explores in its story and I love the characters. I love how it shot. It's a film that's just like fantastic and like every technical way but also is just like a really gripping engaging story. Like I am enamored with this film honestly. But yeah, what did you all think? Jake, you go first because you haven't been able to contribute as much for some of these other places. Oh, great. I get to go first.

I really didn't like this. Oh, no. No. No. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's awesome. It's awesome.

Jake certified anti-dong. A don't tighter. Oh, my God. I'm fine with dong. I mean, Dong is cool. I like, um, okay. Look, I would say, hmm. I struggled with it because it was just, and maybe it's also hard because I'm sick and it's hard to, you know, but it's just so boring.

I just had such a hard time. I was not engaged with the story. I thought the introduction was interesting and I liked the concept of it moving backwards through time and seeing this person's life. And in the process, I just was not really engaged with who this character was. the more I saw of him, the less I liked him. And I think that is part of the point. And I think once they got further into the movie, I started recognizing the like political parallels to what was going on in South Korea and the military dictatorship and all of that stuff, lent a better idea of, oh, this is more of a political film and seeing like, you know, the forces affecting this character.

I liked it a little more as it got towards the end. But it's just, the the dramatic setups for all these scenes. It was just a bit, it was just, I couldn't buy into it, you know. It just something about it felt a bit over the top, but also at the same time, like, I just didn't have enough to be engaged with the characters. So it really was a lot of like, okay, occasionally here's some nice shots and interesting scenes, but for the vast majority of it, I was just like, man, I just don't, I don't really care. Yeah, I feel bad to say that. Interesting.

At least with Oasis, I was really interested in the characters in what it was trying to do, even though I didn't fully love that movie. But for this movie, I was just like, ah, I'm, I didn't do it. I'm sorry. No, you're good. Me, fuck this guy. All right, well, Alex, take it away. How funny. Yeah, because I kind of had the complete inverse experience where I thought this was spectacular. Fuck, yes. And it's kind of so good that I almost feel like I haven't seen it with this kind of creative structure of it moving backwards through somebody's life and the way it reframes itself as it goes

along. And sure, maybe I would have been more with Jake if in the middle section of the movie, if it didn't go anywhere towards the end. But I feel like I kind of immediately want to jump back in and watch it and kind of experience it again now knowing where it goes. I actually liked it so much that I, I got a copy of burning that has been staring at me like a Green Goblin mask for like years and years. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I check that out too. Fuck, yes.

I adored that. Fuck, yes, let's go. Let's fucking go. Yeah, I'm like, I'm on a dong friends here right now. Yes. Yes, let's go. Okay, we got one. We got one.

Fuck yes. Yeah, I just love that framing of it. I love the going back and just having these kind of vignettes that link together. but they feel so kind of cohesive and the challenge, the narrative challenge that Oasis kind of did, but didn't really work for me. Of, as Jake is saying,

introducing to this person that's quite unlikable and quite vicious and kind of peeling it back layer by layer going through a few decades of time and really getting to the heart and having this emotional explosion towards the end that was like, yeah, but I was like welling up

towards the end. It was like, man, this is really, really effective. The last like 15 minutes, fuck me up. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was really great. Yeah. No, I mean, after Oasis was recommended, I literally, I think I saw this one next and I fell in love with it. And I watched through all of Lee Changs films, except I got to rewatch Secret Sunshine. I haven't seen that in a couple years. But yeah, it was great going through his filmography. But Adam, what do you think? No, I fucking loved it. I'm like having this. Yeah, no, I watched this. And I was actually kind of shocked because my assumptions about him, because I had, so poetry,

I think I watched when it was like out, but I was young enough that I was like, I think it was like too slow at the beginning. And then I just like didn't continue with it and was like, I don't know. I think it was like something that was on my watch list. And I was like, okay, this didn't captivate me yet. And that was like the first experience that I had with him. and I think I was just too young to like know what he was going for like that's happened to me a couple times I was so that that's still my least favorite out of all this stuff okay okay yeah and then burning came out and I was like yeah I think burning would have had to have been the next one that I watched from him and I was like so captivated by that and obviously you know it's it's it's a film that does a lot of things that I love from other filmmakers where it's like okay there's implications and things aren't like entirely spelled out and and there's there's like more of a an intrigue because they don't like give you certain things right that you would

expect in like a genre like that or like a something approximating that and then yeah no I check out secret sunshine at some point and it's like oh yeah because I was making my 2007 list. And that was like, oh, holy fuck, this is incredible. I think it's like somewhere near the top of my list. It might be like in the top three or whatever of that year. I don't remember. But it's just immediately connected with that.

And it always, it's a film where like, I think it's incredible. But it's also like kind of really sad. And it's like, Whenever I think about recommending it to, like, more people, I'm like, are they going to want to watch that? I'm talking about Secret Sunshine. Secret Sunshine, yeah, yeah. Oh, sorry, I have to have you in this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then, so, yeah, no, when I was thinking about catching up with his earlier works, it took me a while to, like, really get into the idea of doing that. because there was this impression in my head that was not really justified for any reason, but just thinking, like, it's not going to be as, like, as well shot or whatever. I would see, like, some screencaps or something from, like, one of the earlier films. Just like, I don't know. Like, I'll check it out eventually. My impression with directors that are, like, fantastic is, like, sometimes it takes them a little bit to, like, really hone their craft.

And so when I recommended OASIS for the podcast, that was like, okay, this is the most recent one that I haven't seen. I'm expecting to enjoy it quite a bit. A lot of people love it. I loved it, right? I love that movie. Pemberment candy surprised me because the, the look of this film, the cinematography, the blocking, the lenses, the color, the lighting. Like, everything's so fucking beautiful and clean that I'm like, okay, how the fuck is this the guy's second movie? first of all.

And then second, there was like a moment where I was being like, wait, why does this look better than Oasis? Oasis came after. But then I'm almost even more impressed by it because it kind of showcases that like the different films in his filmography have different approaches because they have different goals where Oasis is like more performance and character focused and there's much more shaky cam. And like the way that he uses the cinematic language to express. his stories has an intent from the very beginning of each of his projects,

and he'll have different approaches for different stories and different films. So I'm like, yeah, I'm like shocked by it and super impressed, and it makes me like him more as a director overall. So now it's just like, okay, I, yeah, no, I mean, like, I would be shocked if he wasn't sort of like if I were to think about that. and possibly also watch like his first film and his uh and rewatch poetry you know like he's he's a I feel like if I rewatched burning I would give that like a nine too oh it's so good I think burning is still my favorite out of his stuff I rewatch that recently yeah no I got to rewatch that's so

awesome I fucking love that movie I think I've only seen it once it's fucking good it's fucking incredible yeah uh but I was gonna say like you talk about the different approaches between his movies and yeah it's like this one does have a score and like oasis didn't really yeah a score and like burning has a score too. I don't remember. I think Secret Sunshine didn't have a score, but it's been a while. And I know there wasn't much of it if there was one. Poetry I don't think has a score either.

Yeah. So like and all these different shooting styles, I mean, Oasis looks more like a large Venture movie with its handheld movie. That's what I was gotten. It's like a lot darker. But this is in many ways we hear life is beautiful. And like this wants to show these natural landscapes and, you know, these different cities and things like that.

Like, I really love how this film uses locations. But yeah, I did watch Greenfish, which is his first movie. And it's definitely his first movie, but it is also really well shot. Like, it's, it's, it's kind of like, okay. It's definitely his first movie. It's definitely his first movie. But it's not like, it's not bad. I actually really do love green.

I like Greenfish more than poetry. And it's like, it's, the genre is interesting. I don't want to say what it is. But yeah, it's really well shot still. No, I'm excited. I'm excited to check it out. I've got it on Blu-ray. I've got like a little box set of his first three films.

So this is a very convenient thing for me to watch. Yeah, a lot of his signature stuff, but it's a very distinct experience. So yeah, definitely check that one out. But, oh, I have so much to say about this movie. But is it okay if I discuss spoilers, you know? Oh, yeah. No, we can get into spoilers. I think we've all said how we feel about the film.

And now we can talk about the details. Yeah. I really want to know what you all like about this. Because, I mean, I know what you like about it, but in terms of like the, the, I want to hear more. Convinced me. Convinced me. Yeah, no. I absolutely love the use of transitions in this movie with the train going backward.

You know, it's like reverse footage. Like, it's such an interesting way to, it reminded me a lot of breaking the waves where it's like these very memorable with some fantastic score music. and I loved what that had to say, you know, it's like he's basically looking back at his life when he, this is what I interpreted, but he's looking back at his life when he is committing suicide and trying to see these moments that maybe he wanted to change in his life. And we go back in time with this train going back in time on each of these. And I love the whole, like, use of like the camera in the movie where we have this camera that his love, bought for him just based off of like this one thing that he said and then he ends up selling the camera when she's like dying in like a coma and um the camera is almost represented of like the snapshots we see throughout this movie for each of these different times in his life and i love how this film goes back to these different key moments in his life and uh what each one has to explore and it's like showing how his uh like how he became corrupted as a person and how it kind of, it seemed like his corruptional started because of this super traumatic experience in the army

that like fucked him up and physically and mentally. And he just uses power to kind of get what he wants. And he blames a lot of different people. So yeah, that was my interpretation with like what the film was trying to say with its whole like train metaphor and how it explored each events in his life. Yeah. No, I have a similar kind of interpretation. and Jake was nudging at the kind of Korean history angle of it, not something I know anything about,

but the way it kind of incorporates, I was just reading about the Guangzhou uprising and the kind of authoritarian government that was in control around that time and the student protests and what was going on there, and that's where that army sequence kind of comes into play. And I was kind of reading it as this long-term consequence of that kind of leadership

and the kind of kind of, corruption of him as a person because it ends on this, it's so bittersweet where he just seems like this normal guy. He has hopes and dreams. He wants to be a photographer. And you mentioned the camera. They're kind of like, yeah, it's, it's heartbreaking to see in reverse someone just be lost and destroyed and using these kind of three main kind of framing devices of the train,

which you mentioned, and the camera and the candy as well. The can't. The titular candy and just getting the kind of the reference point of what all of those mean. And seeing it in the order it does, I just feel like has such an unexpected emotional payoff that it wouldn't if you saw it in its, you know, correct order, really. Oh, yeah. It makes it hit so much harder. If he, like, got hit by a train at the end of the movie, then that would have felt like a really cheesy dumb payoff to like, oh, that's why we were shown trains the whole time. But it avoids kind of feeling melodramatic.

Yeah. It incorporates that history in a serious way. It makes it, it's just so clever, the reframing of it all. Yeah. Making you feel like where he comes from. There's so much clever like parallels and things like that. I mean, like, you look at the first scene and the last scene. And I look like he's singing the same.

They're singing the whole group is singing the song that he karaoke's in the first scene. It's like crazy seeing that. But there's like also like, oh, there's the staking between. the husband of his love and the him when he was in the police force looking for that one suspect. There was like the different times he growls in the movie like the first time was like the kid at the restaurant and stuff like that. Like there's so many great uses of like parallels to kind of just show how people change and how corruption can ruin people and things like that and also different ways of life.

But yeah, what you can say? I was going to say so like this is a film where. Like every element of it fits like a perfect puzzle piece. And it's like such a sensible choice where it's like, oh, yeah, no, that totally makes sense. But somehow at the same time doesn't feel so predictable. So like when something happens, I'm like, oh, yeah, of course, because that's exactly what should have because that fits, right? But still doesn't have me going like, oh, well, that's going to happen. but yeah with with the with the parallels and the deeper meanings to be found through the film like

something I'm realizing right now is like even even just using a train in of itself like regardless of whether or not we even show those like transitionary scenes of like okay we're going backwards that means you know we're going back in time like the the concept of like a train on a train track is like there's an inevitability to where it's going, right? And so it's almost like very kind of like Synecichy, New York thematically in some ways where, you know, quite literally in this film, the end is built into the beginning. And by the end of it, like, you know, he's, he's crying and he doesn't know why. And he feels like he recognizes the place and he doesn't know why. And, you know, in every single scene, there's like some significant moment involving a

train that's kind of like, you know, to us as the viewer is experiencing this in reverse, it's like, oh, it's reincorporation and still evoking like a foreboding feeling in a way where we already know what's going to happen. But to this character, it's like, okay, there's a trajectory to your life that you're leading towards that has always been there. And a part of you knows that. And every single scene, all of these key moments of mistakes and tragedies and like bad decisions. and refusal to like be honest with yourself or like accept aspects of your history are leading towards this inevitable outcome of misery, of loneliness, of suicide. And that's essentially what like a train on a track is, right?

Like you can't get off the fucking track. Like you're going there. You're destined, right? Because of the choices that he's making. Because of the events that are happening in each scene that are, highlighted in the film. Yeah, very,

very smart decisions throughout. And it's like every time they mention something that I think is just like, oh yeah, that's an interesting thing about his character. He was in the military. Cool. I wasn't expecting them to show it, you know,

or like when he was like talking about how he used to be a cop. And it's so nice to have it fully flesh out these different scenarios that are mentioned and just have like a nice pay off to it where it's like oh a different environment a different setting and we get to see these different parts

of this character and like yeah there's so much intrigue and I found myself just so excited for them to be revealing more even though it's not a character that I'm like rooting for and empathizing with you know like he's a very flawed character obviously

but I wonder if the parallels with you know the what was it like a military fucking takeover what happened in Korea like there was like some dictatorship like what was it exactly the uprising yeah uprising so I can just quote from the

I've got the Wikipedia page up a series of student led demonstrations that took place in Guangzhou South Korea in May 1980 against the coup d'etat of May 17th by Chen Du Juan that strengthened his power. The uprising was violently suppressed by the South Korean military who retook Guadju between 600 and 2,300 people were killed.

So that's kind of the backdrop we're talking about. Yeah. And it's like, it's like, it's, it's, it seems to me that it's very likely that the film is, is trying to express like this shameful history. of like the country and the military through this character, right, of somebody that like, you know, is headed towards this misery because of these like negative attributes in his own life. And, you know, evoking these ideas of like mistakes, right? Or like things that you wish you could undo.

And like the harm that comes from just like trying to. ignore it, trying to suppress that history or information. I love like the thematic concepts of, you know, even just in the opening scene, like, what are we shown? We're shown a guy like losing his fucking mind being absolutely miserable, clearly in need of some kind of help. And everybody around him just like trying their best to ignore and continue to party and continue to drink and just be like, well, I don't want to ruin my vibe, right?

It's like he's a representation of this negative history in the country that like, you know, like people may or may not be acknowledging or coming to terms with, you know? Like there's a lot you could read into it even though I'm not. Yeah, exploring like the downstream effect of it. It doesn't just go away. Exactly. It has like a cascading effect across time and it communicates that so well with this. And yeah, it's funny, like last episode we talked about The Beast and that was kind of jumping around time.

Whereas here, and that didn't really work for me. Whereas here it kind of, I was really feeling that it was like different periods of time. The costume and hair design, this lead performance is quite incredible. Holy shit. Like the faces he makes, like, fuck. And also, the supporting performances are great. Like, I love his first, like his love's performance. Like when she sees him, like, grope, who would be his few.

future wife and everything. Like, it's just like destroyed after she was like, oh, yeah, like your hands are so beautiful and things like that. Like that was like heartbreaking just from like her facial expression alone. Like, fuck. It was pretty clear like at the hospital scene where like, okay, this is like a next level performance because it's not just, okay, I'm going to cry and make the tears come out and like blink really hard and like do this, you know, typical overdramatic thing.

It was like, oh, we're experiencing a character who is crying to. despite trying to keep it together. There's like an extra layer of like what he's expressing through his performance and there's a subtlety to it. To the point where I like, you know, I have it just makes sense to believe like, okay, yeah, this actor was just conjuring up some like terrible shit in his life and just experiencing that in real time. Like I just have to believe that it was so authentic. His reaction to when he kills the student as well. I really got me because that really is like the beginning of the end for him really as a person. basically and the whole boot and the and also like his cry at the end too yeah yeah yeah exactly

a lot of range to that performance yeah and even like even small characters all felt like super fucking natural you know nobody was standing out being like yeah yeah tons of screen presence and tons of character i also love how we talked about how it was shot but like there's like a fantastic wonder at one point with like when they apprehend that one suspect or whatever. Oh, hell yeah. And the timing of the train going by too. Yeah. And they had like the blood on his face and everything.

Like I was like, holy shit. Like that's impressive effects and shit like that. Yeah. That was crazy. That was so fucking crazy. Very, very well thought out. Super well planned. Yeah.

The blocking in this is fantastic. There's so many different scenes where like a shot will continue on for, you know, like a decent amount of time. And within this shot, you'll have, like, actors like, you know, either, like, doing stunts or, like, running around each other or, like, that scene in the apartment where he, like, breaks in and, like, beats them up. Like, the way that they're occupying the space in the room over the course of that shot is just, like, such an intricate dance that they're all doing very convincingly in a way that it doesn't feel choreographed. Like, it feels so natural. But it is so intricate. kit and it is so well timed and so well choreographed and thought out. And simultaneously,

you know, even within the shot, it's like, oh, wow, like, I love the lens that they're using and how much of the room it's able to capture. I love the fucking lighting throughout this film. I love, you know, the color choices. There's, there's like red light used frequently throughout this film. Like, it's a really, really, like, I was very shocked and impressed with just like how like next level the the craftsmanship was in this film especially with it just being his second movie it's insane i was not expecting that yeah it's crazy yeah including like there's like an atmospheric factor to it there's a lot of rain in the movie um stuff like that but also the physicality of it it's quite it's violent and you feel it um there's a lot of physical

violence and people like hitting each other and like waterboarding like holy shit yeah It looks like these actors are actually kind of like smacked about. They do. There is a part where like he kicks a dog, which I wasn't, didn't love. That looked like a little bit too real. But, you know, when it's like consenting humans,

that's one thing. Yeah, no, and it's interesting because I think Lee Ching Dong became like the culture minister of South Korea or something like that. And then he was eventually, yeah, like arts and culture.

Like, Oh, okay. Load it up. But yeah, and then like he, then he was like blacklisted by like the South Korean government. Like it's crazy. Like his whole trajectory. And that's why we didn't get a movie for so long. Oh.

Between or poetry and burning, I believe. So really interesting history. Yeah. What the fuck? That's annoying. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah.

But hey, he's back. So he's 72 years old. What the fuck? Yeah. He made it. has, he made Greenfish, I think he was 42, but I might be wrong. Like very, like a little bit later, but yeah.

But yeah, this movie's insane second feature. And again, Greenfish is a great first feature, but this is like just another level. One of my new favorite movies of all time. Like, I fucking love it so much. I feel really bad being, you know, the negative Nancy.

I like hearing you all talk about. Do you even like movies? No, I mean, I do feel like this is one of the biggest stretches between. I mean, usually we're pretty aligned for most, most movies, you know, this, we have our differences. But this one, I just, man, I just really did not like it. I really didn't like this guy. I really, he's basically a psychopath. Like, he's so evil. He tortures people. Like, he tortures humans. And it's just a bastard. He beats the shit out of his wife. He's just horrible, misogynist, brutal, terrible,

human that at the end I just felt like this urging or this stretching towards this sentimentality. And this is something I felt a little bit with Oasis, a bit of like sentimentality that I didn't find necessarily earned. And I just didn't buy into or care or just feel anything for him. Even when he shoots the student at the end, I'm like, so this is kind of like puts you on this path

of being like an evil psychopath. Like, I understand this effect again in a traumatic way and being a big instigator to falling into this, you know, you know, torturing political dissidents down the line. I mean, I suppose. But to the amount and the extent to it, I just felt a bit like, I just don't really have any feeling or emotion for this character. I feel bad for the people that he's harming and abusing in his life and watching that unfold. But by the time we get to the ending, this feeling of like, man, I just, that's it. Like, that's, I don't know.

You know what I mean? I just, I just, I just didn't buy it. It's kind of, I don't know. I feel like it's one of those things where it's not just like him versus like the world, but also like him versus himself that like the toxic elements of his character might be things that are literally just an expression of his own resentment towards the, his own, mistakes in his own choices and it's just manifesting outwardly towards other people in negative ways, which is literally a thing that happens with people, you know, like a lot of people

that are just really pissed about their own life will like take it out on other people. Yeah, no, it was it was it was interesting for sure and well made enough. And I yeah, it was complex. Have you all seen the movie Blind Chance? it's a Christophisthewski movie. This movie kind of... No. I haven't heard of it a little bit.

No. I've got to see that now. Yeah, it's a great movie. And it's sort of similar to this, not exactly, but it's like a guy... It shows like three parallel versions of where his life could be depending on if he catches a train or not. So you see... And it's Poland. And it's very political as well.

It's like on one side, he's kind of like collaborating with the government. On the other side, he's like part of the student revolution, all this stuff. So you get to see like where his life could have... have gone. And you get some of that here, but I felt like the moving just directly into the past felt very much like, well, I kind of know who this guy is and we get a little bit more detail and information, but it didn't, it just didn't compel me. I wasn't interested in who this guy was or how he came about based on, you know, what I was already seeing and observing in, you know, the earlier scenes and by the time we get to that climactic ending, I just felt absolutely nothing. And I wish I

could because there are, like you're saying, the blocking is extraordinary. There's some wonderful oner's, you know, the lighting and everything is beautiful. I just, I also thought the peppermint candy motif was a bit cliche. I didn't love it. It felt a bit art house cliche. Just like, oh yeah, there's the peppermint candy. We got to see the peppermint candy recur. Wow, dude. The train going in reverse. I'm just like, yeah, okay, yeah. It felt a bit cliche. Like, yeah, we're going back in time, reverse the train, you know. I mean, not to sound like a hater. I just, it, I totally, completely bounced on this movie. I thought it was, it was very, again, like, well-crafted, but story-wise, character-wise, I thought it could have been much more, it could have, I don't know,

explored this guy a little bit more. And, um, Yeah, there's some interesting. I really, I felt some emotion in the scene when his wife is praying, you know, when they're having dinner with all the businessmen. And she starts to cry. And then, you know, that's a very heartbreaking scene. But in terms of this guy and what the movie is ultimately trying to do and explore, you know, towards the end, I just felt like, oh, it was all building up to nothing in my estimation.

But, yeah, I feel bad. going off, but... You don't have to feel bad. No, no, no, no, no. I love hearing your perspective. No, no, no, I appreciate the honesty. I'm happy that, you know, and I definitely would love to see more leaching knowing.

I want to see burning, I think, probably more than anything now. Okay, great. Yeah, no. I feel like you'll probably connect with burning the most. Well, we'll just keep recommending his films until you like them. Yeah. Please. Now Alex is on board.

He can do it. Yeah, I'm in. Yeah, fuck. Google Gabble. Yeah, no, I, I do find it interesting. Like, the one time they use the score outside of the train transitions is the scene that he has with the woman that is like, oh, I'll be your first love, you know, when he's back at the place where his first love was actually at. But, like, you know, that, that woman that he meets at, like, an inn or something like that. I always found that choice interesting.

But like, I mean, it worked there. But yeah, and it's interesting because also, like, that woman that he, like, sleep, and stuff, like, this is the day that, like, his wife is having, like, his child. And he just skips out on that and, like, literally, um, another aspect of the movie we didn't really talk about was, like, him join the police force. And they're just encouraging him to be abusive and just, like, fucking, you know, be a piece of shit. Yeah. Which, you know, is pretty illustrative of police because, yeah, it's pretty fucked. But yeah.

I don't know, I love this movie. He got poopie on his hand. He did. He had an, uh-oh, stinky situation. Yeah, he did. Oh, Jake, you must have related to that. I did. I was like, oh, yeah, there's poop.

Oh, yeah, that's not normal. That's gross. There is, like, a whole, like, thing with, like, there's blood and there's shit. Like, it feels very, like, real and excessive in this movie that, like, ugh. But, like, again, it works. the genuine nature of it. I loved the reveal for the the boot. I thought that was great.

Yeah, that made me flinch. And again, like I wasn't I wasn't anticipating it, but when it happened, it was like, oh yeah, that makes fucking total sense. Like, why didn't I think that that was coming? Yeah. The sound design on that is like, oh my gosh, like you just hear the sloshing of the water. And like the whole movie, he's limping, you know? It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know the whole time I was like, he was like, I got water in my shoe. I'm like, yeah, you're bleeding, dude. Like, I don't know. Grow up. Come on, right. Yeah.

Yeah. I just, I love the idea of a narrative that's like pulling at a thread. And early on, it even kind of makes out, because the question, the hook of the film, it's kind of weird describe as a hook,

is like, okay, how have we got here? Why is he doing this? Why is he acting this way? And early on in like the first act, he says something about his business going wrong and his,

like, associate running away. with his money and it was just something about it that felt like this sure that might be why he's like this but there's something more to this and why would you throw this in so early if that was like the grand reveal as to why he's this way and I just like how it would just go deeper and deeper into this person and his mistakes and how fucked up he is and I don't know it just maps on to this kind of like world view that makes sense to me right I've known people that like they've had something traumatic happen to them or they've made some fucked up decision and it does just completely

ruin their life, you know? So there's something that like true and honest about the way it presents this man. And I didn't feel like it was trying to make me like him necessarily even, just that it was showing this is the truth of him. This is what happened to him, how he kind of responded to this thing. Or maybe he's someone that didn't have the tools or the self-awareness to unpack what he'd been through and just that image and the quaintness. of just seeing him at the end,

which is technically the beginning of just this aspiring photographer that it's just something so fucked up about ending it there. Something very poignant about that, I think. Yeah, yeah, just like a fucking terrible trajectory. And like the what ifs of like what else could you have been, you know? I want to go back. Yeah, awesome movie.

We should give our ratings and move on to questions because we do have a time limit that's coming up in 30 minutes. So oh well Adam you said you had an ADR issue right so that was oh yeah it was like I'm sensitive to audio things I was like oh it was just at the at the end when he is like wailing and crying and it's like the visual performance is great the audio audio performance is great I wish it was in sync you know it's funny because I had that it was on rewatches but when they're all in the circle at the end and like people are clapping and stuff and I'm like this is not sinking in the background but you know whenever it Well, because that's so common with, like, people performing or singing songs in real time and then having, like, another shot.

As soon as the cut happens, then it's like, okay, sometimes they don't sink it. And there's practical reasons why that would be more frequent. And so I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever. But like, during that performance moment, I was like, hmm, should have spent a little bit more time in that booth to get that really synced up for me. And then also the pregnant belly looked face. I didn't even think about that. But I mean, the makeup of this is like insane. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Making people look young and stuff. Holy shit. Yeah, they did a great job making them look younger and older. And yeah, things were, things were believable. Appropriate haircuts. And I like that they gave him glasses and just, yeah, it made things feel like distinct. And yeah, fucking fantastic.

I give it nine out of ten. I fucking love it. I also give it a nine out of ten. I fucking love it. I'm just a smidge under. I'd give this like a four-star. I can see it going up on a rewatch. It almost demands it like after.

Oh, hell yeah. The way it plays out. Absolutely. Fuck, yeah. Four out of ten. Yeah. Nice. Same rating has funny games, right?

Is it like a funny games of four out of ten? I think so, yeah. You could ask Sarah what ratings we've given every film and it would be better than like Google. I am obsessed with ratings I literally have like I think my homepage on my phone is like Adams IMDB Oh no

I'm sorry That's okay That's funny That's so funny All right questions Then we're okay Let's do a couple questions here From the Saldonikas community

head over to the suggestion thread over on the subreddit if you want to leave questions for future episodes just like ghosts of Fondane did who says what classic movie deserves its own Lego set I'd unironically love to see some Godfather themed mini figures maybe we can scare out the

like rules of like you know kind of guns and criminals and horror you can have guns but you just can't like they don't do R-rated things unfortunately but yeah you know those would be my suggestions like hardcore or stuff, you know. Although, honestly,

the bridge from, um, sorcerer. That could be a cool set. That would be dope. Yeah, that could work. Somebody needs to put that Lego ideas. Like, holy fuck. Yeah. Um, but yeah, no. Um, with me, if we're just skirting, like, the rules, like, I really want a South Park mini figure series, but I guess that's not a movie, but okay, it's bigger, longer and cut. Um, uh, I mean, if we're doing movies, uh, fucking, like, like, cachet give me of a specific scene and cachet involving a wall.

That would be so good Please make that a vignette Yes that would be so BASED oh my god Or piano teacher too Just like the bathroom scene Sure yeah Or like just a tissue

Yeah oh literally Oh my gosh that would be so based But if I will throw this out there Because I want somebody to do it and I was going to do it But I don't think I'm ever going to do it I was going to do like a Lego ideas of like The rear window apartments and like I would love to see somebody do like the opening sequence of all the different people.

Yeah, I would love to see somebody do. I don't really make Lego creations. I just build the sets and stuff like that. So if anybody's listening, do that on Lego ideas, please. Also, La La Land would be peak. But yeah. I would go with 2010's remember me the final scene. I knew you were going to say.

God damn it. Okay. So I was in. I was initially thinking that I was going to have some trouble with this because I'm like, well, I don't really buy a Lego or anything. And so many of these things, it's like, could I imagine them as a Lego set at all?

But then, you know, I guess I'm realizing like the ones that would work really well for me would be ones where it's like a specific architecture. So like buildings specifically. So like, you know, the lighthouse from the lighthouse. Or like, you know, the, fucking house and parasite or like no other choice or like fucking some shit from the brutalist or something like yeah any any like building distinct building type thing in a

movie would look cool well I'm amazed because like you they they have a trend now of like these big buildable characters of like animation stuff so I was like buildable scar for Adam but you know yeah but he's already bony enough you know we're gonna add more corners to this this lion oh my gosh the simba set was awesome that they did of that it looked so fucking weird though I liked it they not done like a pride rock like let me look this at Simba Lego I'm gonna look this they did so weird there is two simbas there was the cheap one and then there was the I like the big one I don't know I like that one and then the pride rock they did with oh dude it was a Lego ideas called the magic of Disney set but yeah no right

Okay. Hmm. Damn. Yeah, okay. I have no fight. These looks so weird. Why, don't make, like... Okay, like, Lego works for buildings.

Adam discovers display slop. Yeah, Lego works for buildings because buildings are already made of bricks. Okay? What the fuck is this shit? Oh my god. This, this little Sibba's look disgusting. They're terrifying. It's terrifying.

Yeah. I mean, it's a whole thing in the Lego community now that people are mad that Lego keeps putting out these big, buildable statues of these characters because they say, they call it display slop, but yeah. I mean, sure. They look disgusting. There was a question in the question thread that was like, it was asking, what's your favorite quality slop?

We're taking this just too far. doesn't make sense anymore oh my god oh my good it's a slap slap era there's some good answers in there give me that sorcerer a set that'd be sorry

okay let's do this one from Kermann 9 there's a common idea that as kids we will watch anything before we grow up and develop our interest slash critical thinking more what's the first movie

you remember that you found to be terrible and started you on the path to film criticism I got a distinct memory of a friend bringing over the DVD of the first Madagascar when I was like 11 and being like this fucking sucks this is like awful I'm like 11 years old and thinking about that but uh what pops into your head I love that as a kid honestly I don't know I love Madagascar

I got to think of mine honestly yeah I know I have an answer for this I don't know why I can't think of it right now but I do remember like the first. I do remember there is a thing where I thought, this is bad. And it was like a new feeling or something at the time. Damn, I didn't, yeah, I don't know. It just clicks at some point. Yeah. I remember really not liking Cars because I was like really into like Pixar and then like

cars came out and I'm like, oh, they could be messing out. But then I got back into it. I was like, Cars 2 is going to be really good because it's after Toy Story 3, which is the best movie ever. And then Cars 2 was fucking ass. Even back then, I had to apologize to my family for, like, dragging them out to that. Yeah. So maybe that.

Yeah. I'm wondering, I'm wondering what it was. Right now, the closest thing in my head is something like American Psycho, too. But I feel like I had ones earlier than that. Then most of it's something. My brain is trying to get me somewhere where I think it was some, like, weird. dumb like sequel that had nothing to do with the original like I was like tricked into it might have been like kangaroo jack where it was like the marketing was just so

dishonest and I think I remember watching that as a kid and just being like where's the fucking kangaroo what the fuck that brought up a memory I don't know when you said kangaroo I immediately thought of another movie around that same time daddy daycare with Eddie Murphy. Oh, yeah. I think that was one where I was just like, oh, yeah, this is sucks. I don't like this. Whatever it's doing.

Yeah, you're right. It just sort of clicks at some point where you start to become more discerning of like, oh, you're actually consuming something that is made by people and it can be good or bad. And also the point where you're like able to, able to comprehend the idea of being shown something that's like where you can think oh they didn't have an idea what they were doing you know because at a certain point in your life when you're developing you just kind of trust everything around you you think that like the existing systems within society are there because they're the best systems and that adults have everything figured out and like being exposed to your

parents having nostalgia for movies that are like it's clearly they have nostalgia for and it's not actually good. I remember watching weird science with my dad, and I'm like, no. This is not good. That fucking movie, there were things in that movie that left impressions in my brain that I wish I never saw that movie. I don't know. And it was really inappropriate, but whatever, my parents told me that one. I was really young.

It was like, better off dead was like that too, where like, my mom was like, oh yeah, they have like little animations of these like fast food things in here coming to life. And then like most of the movie is trying to get laid or something like that and I was like, this is making me uncomfortable. Did you mean weird science? Weird science, yeah. Thank you.

Yeah. What did I say? You said strange science. Oh, I did? Oh, right? Oh, that's the sequel, yeah. Wait, there's a sequel? No, I don't know.

Did you say it? Maybe I misheard. I don't know. Either way, fuck science. I don't want to be around it. Yeah, this is an anti-science podcast now. We're anti-dong, anti-science, what next? Whether it's weird or strange.

All the cool shit. Okay, I think there's some good answers in there. Let's do this one then from Pelican, one, two, two. More so for Sarah, what other film wrecks were on your mind since you've been saying for years you'd love to be on the show? What do you have done if not for peppermint candy? Oh, this is a good one, because I was going back and forth and Adam knows this.

I was going to either recommend crumb or peppermint candy, and I re-watched both. Oh, crumb is great. I know that's part you're part of the reason I didn't freaking recommend it Jay because you already saw it I wanted to recommend it a movie that none of you all have seen

Oh these guys haven't seen it? Crum is a classic They have not seen it I know I fucking love it so much And I told Sarah Who was trying to debate between the two I said Crum's probably going to get recommended at some point

And peppermint candy is never going to get recommended Unless I do it That's true And so it was just like Yeah. No, I appreciate the candy pick. Yeah. No, I'm glad I did. I think it was the sensible thing. It would have been a good compliment to teenage sex and deaf.

I kept miasma, I think, because it also has a lot of like sexual like stuff in there. That's like weird stuff. But also like I saw the letterbox and it was like there's 80K people who watched Chrome and there was like 40K who watched peppermint candy. So I'm like, I want a lot of people to see peppermint candy and very. this out. But yeah, way back in the day, Adam asked me to be on Sardotica. Back in 2021, you asked me, Adam. Yeah, you messaged me on Twitter. You're like, you want to be on Sardotica? Yeah, it's 2021. You're like, you could recommend the Lego movie. So I guess maybe the Lego movie. But like, again, it's a movie. Did I say that? I don't remember anything. Yeah, you literally

did. Yeah. And you also sent me a, he sent me a Lego ideas project. Literally, yeah, you sent me a Lego ideas project of like, uh, the Twin Towers. And you're like, ha, ha, ha. Okay, that sounds like me. Yeah, I was like, Adam's talking to me because this was like before we met RRL. So I was like, oh my gosh. But yeah, and other recommendations, though,

at one point I was like, okay, I'm going to do a double feature and make them watch two movies of Cache and the Castle, because the Castle is a Honeckee movie that Adam hasn't seen. Yeah, I haven't seen long yet. But that never happened.

Yeah, and then also... I'm glad it's on Blu-ray now, though. Oh, it is on Blu-ray? That's awesome. Yeah. And, yeah, I have... Exotica was another movie that I really wanted to do, but I don't know. Have any of you seen Exotica? I don't think.

I know Adam and I, He haven't seen it. I don't think so. I just picked it up on Criterion, so I want to watch that soon, blind by. Nice. I love that movie. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, those were ones.

Great. No, yeah. I really appreciate that you go out of your way to check out so many things, too. Because it, you know, and also you have like a good impression of the types of things that I would probably enjoy also. So it is like helpful to You know have have somebody that I trust enough with my own Perspectives to like recommend me things sometimes

Yeah, it's like it being in the business of recommending things is also Yeah, people might not realize this it is very much a collaborative effort you know because Me building up an audience that understands my own tastes also builds up an audience of people that recommend me things in the subreddit Right? Mm-hmm. Like I found out about castration movies. because someone posted in the subreddit. And then, you know, obviously I looked at it and was like, okay, this is totally up my alley.

And prioritized it. But yeah, like, it's good to have like a strong community of people that are actually interested in, like, film festival shit. You know? Well, it's like coming up to TIF every year, I'm like, oh, there's people posting about things that are like TIF related. Like, it's so cool. I am so proud of this community. Alex's taste sometimes lines up with me a lot So like yeah Jake like I love you

But we don't always have the same taste But you love three women So shouts out three women's fucking based So yeah I make up for it And crum and crum and crumb and crumb And crumb and crumb and crum oh so good Yeah so yeah Yeah

Google crum Yeah Yeah Okay It was such a bad one I mean I love I'm really happy you brought on this movie to talk about

because I do like it when our opinions kind of diverge. I feel like the conversation's always more interesting in that way and my audience definitely likes it. Yeah. It wants to be at each other's throats. I love that, yeah. Yeah. Well, because you don't, it's kind of interesting because I remember when I

when we did your episode, Jake, that doesn't narrow it down. The first episode. I remember because like one the first things that I was wanting to like get down because we were like thinking about getting like a third person or whatever and then I think I've told this story before but you were like oh yeah I listened to the show and I'd seen enough of your videos to see some references to some of my things in your videos that I was like okay you actually like watch some of the shit um but I remember like doing that first episode one of the things that I was like wanting to make sure was that we didn't all just have the same opinion so that's why like literally in the Q&A I'm like Okay, I have to ask you about like, so what are our, what are our most differing opinions, right? It was an audition. Well, yeah, I mean, like, I was, I was trying to get some info to just see in case it worked out. And then you were gung ho.

Scoping me out. You three have very distinct tastes. So, yeah, I always love, as a listener, I always love hearing disagreements and stuff. And, like, I, for some reason, like, in some of my spaces, like, people get mad at me for not liking a movie and things like that. I'm like, why? Like, it's such a, like, art is so subjective. What's the point in that?

That's unfortunately why it's so rare to have, like, a good, healthy podcast of people who like each other and disagree all the time. It's because people take things way too seriously. I get it. People don't know how to have, like, normal conversations and disagreements. And I feel like you guys expand my understanding of movies, too, and I just have a different level of, like being able to talk about it. And like I said, I think I said this on another episode where sometimes I'll be watching a movie.

And I feel like I have Alex and Adam as the angel and the devil on my shoulder whether I'm going to laugh at something or not. That's supposed to be serious or that sort of thing. And no, you guys have definitely shaped my film perspectives in the way Sarah talks about as well. I mean, I was watching this podcast when it started, you know. And Ralph there, I was watching every episode back when I was at, LA City College, you know, taking classes and stuff. So, um, that was, it was huge. I am so proud of this community.

Remember, like, there is a point where I would, like, so desperate to get, like, the new episodes that I would watch Adam editing them on, like, Twitch back in the thing. Oh, come on. Like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I love this show, but yeah.

That's awesome. Um, well, I've got to, again. another Lego one in there. Okay. I got a... Hey, Adam. That's fine. Go for you.

Otherwise, smile 7-747 has one. Jake, will you let your child play with Lego? They said Legos, but I'm going to say like that become of age. Will you get them Duplo first to ease them in? Or will you even get them Lego at all

despite how expensive it's become? Sarah, do you have any set recommendations for Jake's creative child? Thank you. It's a choking hazard right now. Yeah. It's a choking hazard for a bit. It's a choking hazard.

He has like these big Lego type blocks that he's very good at stacking. Oh. So you have the Duplo. Is that what that is? I guess. It might be how big it is. Is it brand name? Did you get the thing?

I grew up with Legos. So I have a ton of Legos in storage in our garage. I have a bunch of Lego sets that I have like a Star Destroyer. I have like a space shuttle. I have lots of cool sets. I loved building Legos growing up. And they're there for the time when I'm like, listen, I have something important to pass on to you. Aw.

That's awesome. The Twin Towers. You could probably sell them for thousands. Yeah, and I'll probably do that instead. There's some figures that's like, okay, here's one Star Wars figure and it's like a billion dollars. It's like, okay. I feel like that that's going out of control the last like 10 years. Especially with Nizuago.

There's always like the second hand market. But now it's something else. It's because those stupid, like, article. in the late 2010s that were like oh, Lego is better investing than gold. No way, is that really? People are like looking at it as a fucking get rich quick. Literally, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Scalblades and all of it, yeah. And then they started making sets for adults, the 18 plus sets and like COVID brought a lot of people. So like Lego is insane right now. Yeah. Wow. But. Yeah, they realized the adult market. I'm so glad I don't have that hobby. Sometimes you look at a hobby and

I'm like, damn, I'm glad I'm not. Like, Lego, yeah, is expensive, but I look at people who are like, who love cars and they want to like buy, I'm like, no. They're like fur suits. Don't always get me start on that shit. I need a fur suit. That shit's like a billion dollars. It's not like, look, it depends on what kind of a fur you are. Well, I just want ahead, but now people are like all pissed off about people who poodle.

Well, people are like, oh, if you poodle. Yeah, I know, literally, I don't fuck. Puttle that shit. Don't let them control you. Don't get society cucked Oh no no no don't let the people who don't go outside dictate what people who go outside do Ignore Twitter ahead I know oh my gosh they're so stupid like but like it's ahead is still like three thousand dollars So like I'd rather go to like you know MFF AC all that shit and then instead of getting it fucking first you head

Well if you took one year off of going to like no but they're fun I know but then you can have fun a year later with a first you head Yeah I'm just saying you can make decisions. Whatever. I know. Sorry. Sorry.

But yeah, take recommendations for Lego sets for your child. You got to, yeah, so Duplo, when they're really young, four plus sets is where you're going to want to go from Duplo because they use a lot of simple pieces. But again, that's probably when they're going to be like four or something like that. And then I would say if you move on to system, there's a lot of system sets that are family building sets. And you'll see that on the box where they have like these three little people silhouettes on there.

And that's a great way to bond with your child. I remember when I was growing up, I always loved when my mom would help me build a Lego set and stuff like that. So that would be my recommendations. Thank you. And what about a set for if I don't want him to bond with me? I want him to have like a steely respect for me, like an aloof, like, you know. Then just buy him something really big and expensive if that and cool because it's like Lego. Literally.

I mean, like they, they're, it's so short term. how long these things last on shelves, it's hard to recommend something for the future. But, you know, as a kid, I was always, like, super happy when, like, my uncle would get me,

like, a green grocer modular building or the town plan, you know? So, yeah. Oh, those buildings are so cool. Isn't the point of, okay,

as a non-Lego person, if I were to look at, like, what Lego is, I would think the point is that you can be creative and build whatever the fuck you want. Are they stopping anyone

from, like, just doing, their own thing. I guess there's like hyper-specific parts that are required for each of these sets.

But aren't there like aren't each of these sets mostly made up of generic parts and then like if you ignore the hyper-specific parts? I mean it's so there's so many colors and so many parts now

like it would be very off-color and also there's so many new pieces they introduced so yeah not really. I'm just like it's plastic. Why are they charging so much for plastic? I know, I know. I know. Yeah, it's literally, it's,

Lego prices are insane, and then they went up because of fucking dumb Trump's tariffs. So like, yeah. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Okay, that was fun. I know we're on a time crunch.

How many more? We have, how hard is your heart out? We have like 10 minutes before we hit it. End the call then, or like in the call five minutes before, Jake, or what? We should, we should wrap it. We should probably call it at that for questions.

Yeah. Oh. Okay. Call it at that as in not one more? Not one more. All right. It's okay. I got to get going.

No, it's all good. It's all good. I actually have to go back to the dentist too. All right. Thank you for questions. And Jake, I think it's your turn to recommend a movie, actually. It is my turn, and I'm recommending 1979 masterpiece, Bob Fossies, all that jazz. Nice.

Oh my gosh. That's such a good movie. Fuck, yes. It's one of my favorite. Whoever keeps voting for that on my Patreon watchalong is going to be very happy. Awesome. Yeah. Looking for some, yeah.

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so we don't load our show with a bunch of fucking sponsorship ads, you dingus. Respect it. Appreciate it. Thank you so much for joining. Yes, thank you, Sarah. Sarah, that was lovely. Thank you for the recommendations as well. Yeah, that was great.

It was great seeing you too again. And then it was great meeting Jake. Yeah. And if people want to watch my stuff, just too good is the Lego YouTube channel. And I do a lot of crazy stuff. And then also, Just Two Film is the film YouTube channel. And then on Letterbox, which is where I'm most active with film, it's just too good. So it's not just to film on letterbox, but yeah and the two is a number two.

Yes, yes. And it's all lowercase, but yeah. I mean, that won't stop them from finding. Yeah. But yeah, this was literally a dream come true and you'll just keep up to great work. Like, this is insane. Like, yeah, so thank you. Of course.

No, thank you. That was a lot of fun. Thank you so much. I was like, we had a fucking guest slut coming up. And I was like, fuck, I forgot it. But then I was like, I know who will show up on short notice for sure. Yeah. That was great heavy.

Yeah. It'll be great to see you at TIF too. Yeah, I can't wait. Oh my gosh. So excited. I'm jealous. I'm going to be so much fun. It's going to be so much fun.

Thank you so much for listening, everybody. Have a happy jazz. Happy jazz. Have a happy dong. Jazz and jazz and dong fest. of all. Bye. Bye.

Sarah, would you prefer me because I've got to do a doodle? Should I do the Twitch avatar or your SIG-FIC? Which would you prefer, if you could you? Sig-fig, probably. What's a SIG-Fig? What is it?

It's basically your Lego Sona. Oh my God. Yeah, that's so that's so good. Uh.