Sardonicast - Sardonicast 226: Hope, Digger, Bad Boy Bubby

Episode Date: October 12, 2026

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three two one me be bubby um that was a quote from god hi i'm bubby this is your your bubby Bubby I'm Bubby from my Bubby everything I'm gonna go with Bubby don't cling wrap them I'm I'm

I'm Jake I'm okay thing I'm gonna go ahead with another Bubby here got us into this mess and Bubby's gonna bub us out again Nice a classic

this is a good trio this day there's something magical about Bubby. I mean, I heard Bubby's going to be in Avengers Doom's Day? Did you guess so? Yeah.

Yeah, I heard that. That's what I'm there for. I actually call my Colgi Bubby. I've been calling him Bubby for a lot of years. It's kind of like, I don't know if I can call him that anymore. Oh, no. There's a little bit of Bubby in all of us.

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's relatable. Yeah. Character. Super. Yeah. You know what's crazy? in November

Jake and I are going to be in two different time zones Wait really? Because yeah well because you're doing daylight savings and BC stopped Oh yeah so things are going to get extra confusing actually One of us is Okay One of us is going to have to either wake up early or wake up late So that we don't screw things up and then Alex is going to have to sync to one of our time zones

Oh yeah how arbitrary am weird I think that is awesome you know I just, I love time zones. I have no opinion about them. You know, I grew up in Arizona. So Arizona is the only state in the country where there's no like daylight savings. So I've never, I didn't grow up having to change my time. Oh, okay.

I thought Arizona was the only state where time didn't even exist. Well, you know, as Lucille Bluth said, I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona. True. True. True. It holds true to me at least. And I'm allowed to confirm that because I'm from there. Sure. I've been there once for like a day, actually.

My, Kyle, who's been on the podcast before, wanted to go see like a talk thing, like one of those like intellectuals have a conversation and we're charging money. Jordan Peterson. I don't, you know, he might have been someone there, but he wasn't, that's not who he was there to see. Like, I don't think Jordan Peterson was there, actually. It was Lawrence Krauss, and I went with him, and as soon as our plane was landing, he checks his phone. And he's like, Lawrence Krause is sexual misconduct allegations. And so then they continued the event without him. And we just, like, went and hung out with some people at a bar and then left the next.

next morning. So we showed up in Arizona for like 24 hours and left without actually going to an event. What part were you in? Were you in Phoenix? Yeah, it would have been Phoenix, yeah. Okay. I mean, I love Arizona. Arizona's beautiful state. But Phoenix and like the excerpts and all the urban sprawl is just a nightmare. Yeah, I need more humid climate. There's something wrong with the air and the zone. It's too dry. It is. It's dry. I mean, it beats, I mean, I'd honestly way rather be in the dry heat than in some, you know, place like somewhere in the deep south, but that's just me. I'd rather be in the deep blue sea. I'd rather be in Australia where Bubby lives because.

Yeah, I don't know about that. But I wouldn't want to meet Popout on the street. Let me tell you that. Well, they say the seaweed is always greener and someone else is like. See? What? What? We saw hope? Yeah.

We saw hope. Alex finally got to see hope. Yeah, we did. Uh-huh. Yeah, I had to go quite far as well to find it. Only one specific chain was playing the movie for some reason. So, yeah, that added to my experience, for sure. I was looking forward to this, you know?

I knew a Hong Xin. Yeah. We did an episode on The Whaling, like, it was what last Halloween, wasn't it? And that's probably his most well-known film otherwise. And, you know, I saw that runtime and I was like, cool. The whaling was also pretty long, but there was a lot to think about, a lot to break down, lots to unpack. So it was kind of more so what I was expecting. This was hopeless.

I couldn't stand. I was fucking missing the whole time. Oh, my God. I was actually kind of dumbfounded by how bad this was by the end. One of the worst cinema experiences of the year for me. What? Yeah, I was like miserable for at least two hours of this, nearly three hour long film. That's easy.

I could not stand this. Wow. At least two hours? Yeah. Yeah. I brought up this term babaducking before. I feel like it did that to itself, kind of. And just couldn't find an angle from that point.

But yeah, that's my top level. We can get into more detail as we go in. but I know Adam liked to, Jake, where are you on this? No, that's this amazing because I did see, I think on Reddit, someone posted your rating of hope, Adam. No, you did a quickie too. I did a quickie. Yeah, so I knew that you enjoyed it.

And I remember being like, what, like a seven out of ten? Like, there's no way. And my immediate next thought was, I bet Alex hated this. and you did I feel like I'm a bit in between you guys like I definitely didn't enjoy it as much as Adam did but I wouldn't say it was like the worst experience of

of the year for I mean I saw mercy in theaters oh god this was this was at least a like you know this was like made from an artist and it was bad in a way that a singular personality could make something bad you know a beautiful mess a beautiful like George Lucas making the prequels it's like yeah it's it's not good but at least it's

not like a corporate product it's uh yeah it was and it has also some of the best prequels Jesus sorry oh well it has some of the best action of the year I will say especially that first 45 minutes I was locked in I was like hell yeah I love everything this movie's doing I didn't even mind the CGI which I know everyone critiqued um but after that it just like ground down to a halt. It was just slow and repetitive and just, yeah, really did not work for me the rest of the way. But Adam, I know you really, you enjoyed it quite a bit. Oh, hell yeah.

Hell yeah. No, so everybody talks about the first, well, okay, we're going to do like spoiler talk, I guess. I'm going to say see the movie and these guys fucking, they stank, don't listen to them. I would say, wait, is coming to digital soon. I mean, it was a fun theater experience. But anyway, yeah, sure. I would just go in knowing what you want, what you would expect. You know, if you love, like, Michael Bay Transformers, you love, like, crazy action, three hours, kind of.

Bay Transvolves. Yeah. Yeah, no story. Also, oh, yeah, as it count as a spoiler? One of the things that really pissed me off about it is, like, the way it wraps up without saying specifically. Was that known, like, what this movie is it, is it spoilers? Is it say, like, what this film is? What the plans are, let's say?

I mean, let's fucking get in the spoilers and we'll talk about it then. Yep, let's do it. Alright. It's the first of a trilogy, supposedly. Who knows if the other ones will even get made? Was that, did you guys know that? No, and that made it so much funnier. That made it so much funnier.

Okay, but is it funny, like, in an enjoyable way or like a bit ironic? Both. Both. It treads the line. It was unintentionally really hilarious. Oh my God, I'm laughing at it and with it. Okay. When it goes towards the end, I was having the exact same like experience as that last Spider-verse

movie where I knew how long it was and I kept kind of looking at my watch like, this doesn't make sense like where this story is like how much time is left to this movie for it to wrap anything up. But it was inverse in the in the fact that like I was left wanting more of Spider-Bus, whereas this I was like, what the fuck is like going on now? Like Michael Fastbender's like delivering dialogue now. I didn't even know his hand. into this alien.

Couldn't even tell it was him. Until the end credits, that was like an extra punchline. I was so happy. I was like, what the fuck? Because I think I heard about it at one point. And then I just forgot by the time I saw the movie. Michael Fastbitter? And speaking alien gibberish.

I will say, I think it's awesome that this movie opened sort of wide in the States, at least. Like my local theater had it and played it for like a week. And I was like, I went and saw it alone in my empty theater at 10 p.m. at night. and I was in like a fugue state, like just trying to stay awake after like, once we got halfway through, I'm like, oh my God, like how much longer is going on. And then we get to the end and I'm like, okay, we're building up to a final sequence, I guess another one, here we go.

And then it just ends. I'm like, okay. All right, well, it's over. Yeah, it feels like it's trolling you. It feels like a shit post by that point. It does. And I think if I saw it with people, Adam, you probably saw it with friends or something. I saw it by myself, but there were.

a couple other people in the theater. I, I fitted in miraculously in a day where I was already going from theater to theater. I had, I started my day with prime time and then I ran to another theater and watched hope. And then I ran to another theater and watched a, a pornographic short film festival for porn. Well, that's an amazing. That's a perfect day of movies. I mean, yeah, not a bad experience, really. I think contrasted with primetime, this would be quite a fun, like, release valve of just like, okay, I can have a little fun. Oh, yeah. No, it was a great day.

It was an awesome day. For anyone listening, the United Kingdom has cucked Alex out of being able to see prime time. And there's already so much to talk about. And I'm putting out a substantive review on my channel anyway. So we're going to wait until Alex has seen primetime to talk about it. Yeah. When do you get it next year? 2028?

Yeah, I got to wait until the end of October. So that's cool. Yeah, that's fine. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. Sure? Yeah, well, we'll talk about it.

It's something to like sit on anyway. People should see it, I think. Sit on like a toilet. Just kidding. Wow. Well, yeah, so let's talk a little more about hope. No, I'm done. the plot and whatever plot there is there.

End of conversation. Did the CGI bug you, Alex? Or was that the least of his concern? How could it not? It reminded me of... We're just talking about Resident Evil, the one from 2002. Well, yeah, it's about the same era as late Shrek. Like, it was about that quality.

But all of these things aren't inherently an issue on their own, right? this like a mixture of like bad CG with a runtime that wasn't egregious or a character I cared about or a creature design that even cared about could make it work for me. But I just thought the backbone of this is like a sci-fi alien action film. I don't feel like it does the aliens or the action particularly good to me. And it almost feels worse to me because I felt like the first 45 minutes were like, word, this is awesome. The way this is building itself up, it feels scary and kind of held back and withdrawn,

like seeing the alien, like, just the sound design of it hearing it in the distance, it hurling things around and there being a mystery to it and this character that is, like, terrified of what is this? And starting from, you know, just finding a shredded up cow and, like, building it up from there. I was like, this is, I love this angle. And teasing all the kind of like Korean politics angle, where this town called Hope, is right on the border of North Korea.

So they're all kind of like paranoid and like I have all these guns ready and they're looking out the spies. Yeah. So I was like, oh, this is really cool. How is this kind of alien invasion angle going to play into that? The answer is. Siltz really. I just, I can't with like every creative choice in this movie, once they show off the creature

and it kind of looks the way it does and they start going into the, I mean, everything's just psychotrope I've seen a million times done better before with like we're doing the sympathetic alien thing um it was just looking for its child and its child was killed by a naughty human and um yeah i just feel like a normie human well was that character a normie it was kind of cartoonish um we're all normie and yeah like every it is like a live action cartoon after they show off the aliens and maybe start getting into that side. People flying in the air like Wiley Coyote. Yeah.

So then I'm not scared anymore. Oh yeah. And they get launched and should survive. Yeah. Yeah. They're getting like thrown around other, we the same kind of action that was happening to other not named characters that was like decimating them was being indulged in these main characters.

And it was like, okay, I guess they have ridiculous plot armor when it's like, I, just give me something like that and the tonal kind of shit. shift all over the place to me was like, I don't think this, this comedy angle works either. If it wanted to be like a sci-fi comedy, you know, like tremors or something like that, which, you know, looks goofy and it's stupid, but it knows what it is and flies by. Like, why is this three hours long if that's the tone? I feel like the action even. Oh, sorry, I just want to mention the wailing had an issue with the comedy tone a little bit, but I feel like it was just way more of an issue in this movie. Yeah. And with the whaling, I felt like there were parts of Korean culture

that made me want to kind of delve into it more after the fact and think about it more and be like, oh, this kind of like myth angle and all this kind of stuff that I'm not familiar with. This was like the opposite where I feel like it was, this is schlock, you know? It's fine schluck. If like Hollywood released this, I feel like it would be raked over the coals for like the same choices. Did you enjoy the poop scene? with the guy having diarrhea in the voice. That's kind of what I mean about the tonal things. I feel like there is a way to make that joke work to me,

whereas like he's so like proudly telling his shit story to this young lady, whereas if maybe the audience was being shown what was actually happening and he was telling it in a more heroic way, that would be like an angle or something. But to me it was like, okay, so I'm not scared of them anymore. They look terrible. Like what is the goalie? I feel like it was, the plot was building of itself. It felt like things were getting bigger and escalating nicely.

And then after the big, scene where the alien has killed hundreds of people that kind of goes smaller and back in on itself and does the checklist of like, well, we have the body and we're trying to figure out what it is and what it's doing. And it's like, this escalation just feels all fucked up and the pace of it, the whole like middle section just felt like, what are we doing here? It splits into kind of like three, an ABC kind of story with different people investigating around the town. I just don't care about any of them. Like none of them are really doing anything interesting. It's just spending all this time developing what winds up being like nothing. I feel like there's no like reincorporation or a single character for me to latch onto.

It's like a very one note film to me. And after that first hour, I feel like I'm just not really being shown anything new. Or if it is through this like this film's version of something new, it is just like, well, they're in like a spaceship now and it kind of looks like alien a little bit or they're doing this thing over here that I've seen before. and yeah, I just I was just gobsmacked to be honest but how bad it kept getting the longer it was going. Look. Yeah, I

Okay, Adam, go ahead, mount your defense. You can't have a movie that long and have good CG and make it for $40 million, okay? Yes, you can. I think that even though everything looks terrible, it looks great given the ambition and the budget and the runtime.

With everything that's happening in it, it is actually kind of fucking impressive. The CG is dated. It feels like something from like 20 years ago. It is kind of like a PS3 type movie. Not in every shot, not in every shot, but in many of them, quite a few. And so while I was watching it, I was still kind of entranced and fascinated. There was always this level of like detachment in the sense. that I wasn't necessarily watching a film where I was like, oh yeah, I relate to these characters

and I'm like excited about like whether or not they make it. Like any of the characters could have died. It wouldn't make any single difference to me. But I was watching the film as like a spectacle. I was watching it as like a thrill ride. And part of that thrill ride was the absurdity of what they had created. Right. So rather than the stakes being inflicted upon the character.

the stakes were being inflicted upon the audience is basically the type of film that it was for me and I was fucking loving it It's a film that like Okay if I if I'm to compare this to like most action movies American action movies etc etc any that exist or things that that at least Advertise themselves as action movies ones that are even unanimously loved one of my big problems is that like half of the movies fucking dialogue and this does have a gigantic like fucking stop everything for a long time to do exposition chunk of the movie right it's like the middle the middle section but overall runtime there's like

two hours of just solid action in this movie and the action scenes go on for fucking forever many of them I find to be enjoyable the ones that I didn't find to be entirely enjoyable are ones where I'm just kind of like, you know, experiencing a bit of that same thing, like, okay, he survived, whatever, or like, you know, something that feels like a bit too coincidental or too epic or whatever. But, you know, very much enjoyed the first gigantic, like 45 minute, hour long, however long it was, action scene at the beginning, loved it. Not enough people mention the action scene at the end. It seems like everybody loves the beginning and then just the good grace that they gave

the film just can't come back. But I found the ending chase scene, despite the absurdity and despite how unsuriously I was taking the stakes of the film, it was still fucking a gigantic, enjoyable spectacle for me when he's like on the horse and the cars next to him. And they're like, you've got to transfer over the horses and fesda. He's going to catch us. He's like, uh. And he's like two chicken shit to do it.

And he gets like he gets like his feet in and then he's like it's like this is like Buster Keaton kind of like or like old comedy Western almost like it's so ridiculous what the the stunts that they're doing and like you know he gets on the cop car the fucking light falls off and it's like okay what the hell and then it's crayonning the road like I was just I was having a blast it was so fun and you know interspersing that fucking cutting back to these aliens who at this point in the movie are now getting like fucking voices They're just talking and I'm like what and they sound like normal guys and they don't sound like huge or anything like their vocal cords or human size Or whatever they're not even like pitch shifted or tone down or anything And then they start getting subtitles. I'm like what the fuck? And it was just it was just So it was so much fun. It's like when the whales get subtitles and Avatar the way of water?

It was so much fun. Like this is this, I was just thinking how fun this movie would be to just put on for a bunch of like drunk people or something. And then you can all have like a pizza break in the middle. Yeah. I mean, I totally see where you're coming from. Like there are definitely pleasures to be had in this movie. But it all just reminds me of like, oh, there's a reason why someone like James Cameron, which I think this movie is like very, you know, owes a lot to James Cameron and what James Cameron does. And there's a reason why James Cameron.

movies work so well is because even if the characters aren't like super deep or whatever, like when Sarah Connor is in trouble, you, you care. Like you, when Jake Solie and Avatar, like, you may not think he's an amazing character, but it's like, you know his limits, you know that if he gets taken out of the avatar body, he's like, you know, he's paralyzed. He can't, like, they're, he's human. And he's a person that is like a identifiable character that you recognize. And in this movie, it is just kind of like, yeah, it is just kind of like a cartoon stunt show for three hours.

And I think it, but the problem is that if it were just doing that, if we're just like, we're going balls to the wall, crazy insanity, I'd be like, great. But then it wants to be, it does want to be like a James Karen movie. It wants the aliens to have like this deep mythology that it throws at you and like the baby alien and there's lots of focus on this little alien being tortured. And it's supposed to like tug at your heartstrings. And it's trying to do these things, but it doesn't know how. And when it just feels at its weakest, it's just like, okay, we're going to do another stunt show in the forest, which I thought all the forest stuff was pretty weak because it's just like spatial geography, all that. Again, the characters, I just don't know who anyone is or care who they are.

And it just got so dull. I'm just like, we need this drap up. Yes, the final chase sequence with the horse in the car was badass. But, again, I'm just like, all right like I could watch this as a YouTube clip you know disconnected from the rest of the movie and think it's cool

oh I was so exhausted by that point on the highway with the chase but at that point I'm like it's fucking late I'm tired like I don't care what happens started a three hour movie at 10 p.m. And you have a baby well that's every movie

so that that doesn't really make a difference to me every movie I watch now I have a baby Yeah, I mean, I was bored out my mind. I saw it at the, I saw it like a midday show. It was put me to sleep. But man, I raised you just like a district nine as like a counter with like extremely modest budget, shorter runtime, accomplishes a lead character that you give a shit about, a kind of scary

world with stakes. It characterizes the aliens, gets you the sympathetic angle that this movie's trying to go for. and has action as well, and was made for like a pittance. Like Godzilla minus one. Godzilla minus one. Yeah, I would say the setting of the film is the most kind of unique thing about it. I don't really think anything else is particularly. I just don't understand the point of like, okay, the backbone is action,

these ridiculously long action scenes, but you don't care about the stakes of any of the action. Like, you can make that work if what you're saying, it was like a fool, like Buster Keaton, like comedy sci-fi film. I felt it very much was. The flashes of that during that sequence towards the end on the top of the car, I was like, where was this? Like if all of the action was kind of like that, it wouldn't bug me as much, but it felt like it was trying to, yeah, elicit a range of emotions that just weren't

clicking for me when I just feel like even something like, I kept thinking of Super 8, which is a derivative film. But it's doing like the same thing as this movie for equivalently the same kind of money spent and it's like, I mean, that's a really boring forgettable movie, but I feel like it actually hits what this film is going for in a more effective way. I every single, you guys have brought up so many different comparisons to other movies and every single one of them is just something that takes itself much more seriously than I think this movie is trying to.

And I, and I, even if let's say those were more comedic examples, I, I have to reject the idea that it's trying to be any of those things, you know, like part of the reason I love this movie is because it's so unique. It's just being its own weird, just like, here's me with no restrictions, okay? I'm making the most expensive movie Korea has ever made and it's still not that expensive, and we're just going to see how far we can stretch this shit, right? Like, I feel like the comedic angle was made pretty clear at the beginning. Like, the, the, the, main character that we're following is like a gigantic fucking doofus, you know, he's incompetent. They're like trying to blame each other over like who shot a guy like before we've even

seen the monster. I thought that was great. I'm like he puts the cop and incompetent, right? Like he just, he, I don't, I don't feel like comparisons to like Avatar and District 9 or like in terms of it trying to be that thing. or that we wish it was that thing. Like I feel like it's operating on another scale, another playing field. And when I wound up rating this film, it was one where I was like, do I rate this?

It's almost a film to me that like defies ratings, you know? Because like I said, I'm both laughing at and laughing with the film simultaneously. I guess a big determining factor in like the ability to experience this movie or enjoy the overall experience will be determined by like how much you need to be attached to the characters or how much you're wanting something more substantive from like the actual characters in the film. To me it was just like watching people play with Legos and it was a lot of fun. But you're talking about laughing at and laughing with the movie. And I'm just curious, like, at what, what is the distinction to you? Because it sounds like you're saying the movie's aware of what it is, so you're laughing with it.

But at what points are you laughing at it? And do you feel like the filmmakers aren't being self-aware in those moments or they're failing in those moments where you're laughing at it? That's the thing is like there's many points in the film where I'm like unsure because of how clear and intentful much of the comedy is and much of the comedy is. and much of the ridiculousness, right? Like, much of the campiness even. Like, we have to know that the fucking,

the horse card, fucking police light crayon thing, it would be crazy to think that we're not supposed to get some sort of, like, comedic excitement out of that, right? But then parts where it's like, okay, they delayed us hearing these fucking monsters having these conversations with each other and they delayed even further

them getting subtitles and them talking about these things that don't even make sense and it's just clearly setting up for something to make. That's something where it's like I fully believe that it could be either or a mixture of both or like maybe in writing

the intent is to like play to both audiences or maybe it's just like falling flat on its face at trying to do something serious. The reason why it works as both for me is because it's a movie that I never took completely seriously from the get-go.

I was never like, oh, like, wow, they taught. Like, there was never any part of me that thought that I could get that. And so it was always just like a, like a mad TV sketch where they just keep adding on things. And I'm like, what? What?

Like, even further. And I think there is value to that type of experience. And especially if we're going to incorporate things like death of the artist, right? It's just about what you're getting out of the movie and I had a fucking blast. Right. I feel like if it maintained the tone of a mad TV sketch, I would have been into it. And I would have been like, oh, yeah, that's what we're doing.

Okay, great. But then it wants to be this bigger thing where I do feel like it is trying to take itself seriously to a certain degree and build this greater mythology. And it's literally like sequel bait and it's building up to like an emotional catharsis. with aliens that we just don't care about. So unless that was part of the comedy, I didn't take it that way. You know, like, I don't think that part was supposed to be fun.

You can. Yeah, I feel like it can't balance that tone. It can't balance that action or the comedy consistently. I just feel like Resident Evil was a good recent example, right, whereas that's a comedy horror and it just kind of flies by and knows what it is. It's like 90 minutes, like in and out done. if it was three hours long, that film would be so irritating. Like, and I just, I'm really hung up on the action side of it because I just feel like, yeah,

it's fun for a few minutes, but it's the same beat repeated again and again, like the actual scenarios that the action is taking place in. Like, they're not interesting to watch. It's these aliens that are like, might as well be invincible that can just change speed in which they can like sprint. And when they get to a human, it doesn't really matter that much. It's all just like contrive bullshit. Humans are fast.

Yeah. Everything was shot in slow-mo anyway. Way too much slow-mo. Yeah, it felt like it was just doing too much with that. Like you never really learn anything interesting about them. They can like shape shift and they have this like underground system. And all of that kind of stuff was like cool as a starting off point. But three hours into the movie.

Oh, it's so funny. I just feel like I've only got more kind of like baffle from this. I'm definitely not going to rush back to see. more of it because like I feel like you could trim, oh my god, you could trim so much out of this movie and basically nothing would change. Here's something that I'm realizing that I think makes me enjoy this a lot more than like your average spectacle American blockbuster type film. Is this felt like it had a lot of character towards the environment and how the environment

was used in the action scenes, how the environment influenced the action and the action influenced the environment, right? Like that entire opening scene, it's like, sure, there was like a CG monster thing, but it didn't feel like we were in a CG fucking location, right? Same with the fucking, even the forest scene, same with the fucking driving scene at the end.

Like, all of the action feels grounded in this place. And the fact that, you know, the town is basically a character in of itself. We're not just like moving from set piece to set piece. We're not getting a fucking bank gothic font in the bottom left corner with some typing sounds saying like, now they're in Africa or now they're in Britain or whatever. Like it used the environment. Like it was a part of the character, which is just like almost never the case for all of these mainstream American action films. the environment feels like incidental, you know, like, oh, now they're going to some other location that's just, it's a global thing that the Transformers are doing.

Now, now they have to find the key in the desert. I did kind of, I agree with that for that first section of the movie where I felt like, yeah, there was obvious comedy, but there was attention to it, like the way people were being exploded by the physics of these giant items being held around and, you know, him accidentally killing someone and that kind of stuff. I was fine with all that and the buildup of it. And I'd probably like the other action scenes if they kind of maintain that sort of balance where I can still kind of give a shit about like what this main character is interacting

with if I felt some kind of fear of the situation they were in. Because I just pass that point once they show it off and it just kind of stops being that sort of movie. Which is a shame to me because, yeah, it's not held up in that absence by some. something consistent or interesting from any other angle for me. Yeah, so I guess, I guess there's just a separation between like, you know, in a moment like when he's about to shoot the fucking mom alien looking for the baby or whatever and she's like, we're in slow-mo.

And it shows his face, they're like, oh, I'm feeling sad right now. I think that if you look at that and you go like, what the fuck, and you get angry, then you're not going to enjoy most of the movie. But if you look at that like I did and you go, what the fuck and you're enjoying it? Same reaction, but like different emotional reaction of just like, that's stupid, but that's funny.

Like I was just so in for it. It was just, yeah, it felt like once they once they showed that off the feeling of like oh man I felt like you had something here for a minute ah like you've just like throwing this away to the the dumbish schlock that like just feels like nothing like honestly a good comparison to me is a film like uh-r which we have the inverse reaction of too which is even longer than this film but i think it does everything this film fails at kind of with um getting you involved in something that maybe i started watching to like think of yeah, I'm going to just make fun of this, so this is stupid.

But by the end of it, you're like into this plight, you're laughing. It's like a nice mixture of like comedy action musical, but you fundamentally kind of care about something that's going on at the bottom of it, whereas I just really don't get it with something like this. Well, I mean, yeah, this is something that the bulk of my appreciation by the end of it in terms of like a numerical rating where I'm like, okay, well, I enjoyed that the, the experience, but how the fuck do I rate this? It comes down to it being something, that it's just so fucking unique.

I haven't had an experience like this watching any other movie, whereas something like RRR, I'm like, okay, I've experienced Bollywood movies. It has a lot of the things that I don't like about Bollywood movies, and it has a lot of the things that I don't like about Marvel movies. And so this is a Bollywood movie made for people that like Marvel, even though it's not technically Bollywood because it's Tolugu or whatever, but, you know. But this does like marvely kind of shit. it as well. I guess that's where I don't understand. A big bloated, stupid action where like

none of it matters and no character matters and it's just like, just big for the sake of it. Isn't that like we're trying to avoid? It almost felt like Marvel when the aliens started talking and like the weird kind of like music choices and like it shows the alien ship and it like tries to expand this world or whatever. That's when it felt like Marvel. It looked like that thing from the Eternals. Like, it's straight out something looked like that monster thing from it. Like the designs like I've seen

before, there wasn't like any fun I don't remember anything about the music. The music was very disappointing. For me, there was no personalities. I didn't want to exist in this world for any longer. These aliens are lame. Like, they don't really look cool.

I didn't understand like what they were going for with that. They can kind of like shape shift and some of them look the same but others are like a completely different design they look like a if you buy like a generic like game recording

software on the box they'll have some just random like misque design yeah like that's what they look like in this like what is cool about them sorry like they're just like bionicles just like running around like weightless just goo

dissing bionicles all of a sudden who are you I've been like For like days the shit's been pissed me off. It's kind of a troll movie. The people being pissed off at it is like he is kind of enjoying, amusing to me, you know? Yeah. I wish I had the irony poisoning that Adam has to be able to laugh at and with this movie.

Like I wish that I could, I wish I could lock in in that way because that it does sound like it, on paper, this sounds like something I would be able to sit back and really enjoy. But again, I just feel like it's just too long at a certain point. Like, I could handle two hours of something being this kind of like silly, goofy, not caring about anything and enjoying the action

because the action is really cool in a lot of points. But yeah, three hours. I'm just like, yeah, no, I'm sorry. I wish I could enjoy it. But I mean, for me, it's like a four out of ten, probably just because still the action is It's like the way the practical effects are mixed in with the CGI, like the way buildings are smashing up in the intro of this movie at the beginning. Like the interaction with the set piece, it's amazing.

But it's like if Jaws was Jaws for the first 45 minutes and then the rest of the movie, it was a CGI shark. And then the end of the movie, the shark is explaining about having as a family. Yes. That would make Jaws so much better. Oh my god, we fixed Jaws Yeah, that's kind of a good way, but yeah The first act feels kind of like alien and then it turns into alien versus predator This shlock bullshit, yeah

This movie will do to filmgoers what Jaws did to babies I mean, but I was, I don't know, like hearing how wacky and just you've never seen anything like this did get me excited before seeing it. And I was, what part of it was that in the end? Because like, if after that first act and it did a complete tone switch and the big giant spaceship from the end like crashes in and the aliens started talking, then maybe I'd be like, okay, what the fuck is this?

This is crazy. This is interesting. But when it's like two hours, 40 minutes in and they're pulling stuff like that, it just hits differently. It's not like, it's not charming at that point. Maybe if I was like sat at home and I've been able to like pause it, or like, go on my phone, then maybe that would have hit. But, like, when you're, like, forced to watch this, it was, it was genuinely painful that I, like, wanted to.

I really sincerely was thinking about, like, walking out and leaving. I was so fucking bored, yeah. Ah, I didn't check my watch once. So I had no concept of time when the movie ended. I was like, what the fuck? I hadn't done that since Wuthering Heights. That was the previous, like, I just want to leave so bad movie. Yeah, nah, this really didn't speak to me.

Hmm. Couple questions. Question one. Yes, sir. Do you want the sequels to be made? Um, I guess for the people that like it, I have no personal investment. I've done my part. I've like paid to see it and everything.

So, you served your time. I don't think it's going to. You think his like the director's time. would be better spent on a different project, or do you think that it's like salvant? Could there be a sequel to this that you enjoy? Oh, no. Not one that necessarily recontextualized,

this is the first one, but to continue from this point, could there be something where it's like, you get it, and it's like for you or something? Honestly, I could see that happening, but with the caveat being, I'm not going out to see that, like day one.

Unless it was like crazy different. I would like to see Hanukkah take over the script for the sequel and I'd like the aliens to address us forthwall breaking and implicate us in enjoying the film. And question when we enjoy this violence. That's what I would like to see. It's like get really meta with it. But here's the thing. It might already be doing that. It might already be like things.

Like, think about it. All of the aliens are Hollywood actors. Everybody else is Korean. Is it a commentary on like the American film industry? There could be some substance there. We don't know. This was official selection at Cannes Film Festival. Yeah, that means it's good.

Could you imagine seeing that at con? Actually, I know people that saw it at con and the conversations were so funny. Basically, like, everybody was talking like with like neon just being like, oh, okay, yeah, cool. So like the like the animation's like not finished or whatever and they're like, no, it's finished. I know. It was funny seeing reviews of it from Khan and people were like, yeah, so it's not done yet. I don't think. Yep.

No, it's done. That made me so excited to see it. I don't know. So yeah, maybe my expectations were a little different. Like I already kind of knew beforehand like that it's good. that I was anticipating something that was like a beautiful mess. And I honestly, the parts of the films that did work for me were more than I was anticipated.

I wasn't expecting to enjoy it this much. I was expecting something that at the very least, I'd be getting like a unique experience and I would be going like, what the fuck was that? And maybe I might be pissed off at it by the end of it. But something about it just fucking, it won me over. and I'm comfortable. Very comfortable, despite its flies. And also because of its flies,

very comfortable giving this a 7 out of 10. Love the movie. Hope they make a sequel. Everybody see it. Everybody watch it. Don't listen to these two haters. Listen to the fans, not the critics. I'm a fan today. I'm glad. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I want people to enjoy it.

That's what I would like. It's still 4 out of 10. I don't know. I guess I... Man, I want people to enjoy it. I had no ironic, like, expectations for the film. I was just expecting, like, a cool spin on a genre movie, basically. I thought the trailers, I had seen those, looked kind of weak, and were, like, showing the creature.

I was like, oh, man, that can be, you know, maybe it looks better in the film or whatever. Yeah, they just... I still don't really know what the fuck they were thinking with this film. It was, like, it painful. would sit through, check out what, like the host or something, if you want to, maybe it takes this kind of seriously and is fun. Sure, yeah.

Creative and enjoyable from Korea. Yeah, the host is incredible, Bung Junho. And I was also thinking, like, in the first 20 minutes or so before the monster was revealed, I was like, okay, this could be, like, kind of similar to the, like, my expectations were almost that the monster would be kind of like the host sort of thing. Yeah, I was expecting something like that. And then it just took a completely different time. Yeah, it was something with a little bit of depth at least.

It wound up being more like Mars attacks or something like that. I can't remind me of that. It's like kind of parody, kind of serious at times, kind of like weird, but just doesn't come together. Yeah, I don't know about this one. This was a one and a half star for me. I'd happily never see this again. Yeah, no hope from me, I'm afraid. This is fantastic.

We usually don't have such a wide set, like, reading. Yeah, normally I can see it. I can get it, you know, with Disclosure Day, I knew I was the old one out with that, like, enjoying that. Whereas this, like, when I look on letterbox, everyone I follow, everyone that is, like, loves it, and I just feel insane. Like, what am I missing? I just feel like this is so fucking bad. Beautiful.

All right. well should we talk about a movie that is way less controversial in devices yeah dig boy dig boy digger tom cruise is uh first movie outside of uh i mean he's been in mission impossible top gun world for long times i was personally the idea of this movie was exciting just to see Tom Cruise doing something different. Because to me, Tom Cruise is one of the best movie stars and one of my favorite actors. So this was interesting. I think the trailers were very not promising.

And I don't have a special love or hatred of Iniaritu. I know that some people really dislike them. But to me, I'm like, yeah, I didn't really love The Revenant. I like Birdman. I've seen beautiful, I think. I haven't seen a ton of his movies. So for this. I was just like, yeah, let's see what happens.

And then the early reviews were like, the world was on fire. What's happening? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, what is going on? And then I got really interested to watch it. I'm like, hold on it. And one of the things that was notable to me was like,

the movie was already tracking to do poorly. It was like opening 20 million. But as soon as like the review started going out, it was like, now we're thinking maybe 10, opening to 10 million, maybe $8. I think it did. $10. Yeah.

And I'm like, what is getting people, critics were angry about this movie. So I was like, man, I'm so curious to see it. Then I saw it. So what did you guys, what did you guys think? Were you guys excited for Digger? Look, I'm, I'll watch anything that Iniaritu makes. I'm like, I'm a, even the things that he's made that I don't love or that I'm like not warm on or whatever are still interesting and still worth watching. And I love seeing him express himself. It's like everything he's made always. has like some beautiful cinematography in it. And I guess his biggest problem throughout his filmography is that some things get like

really fucking like self-indulgent to the point of being like pretentious or like vapid, you know, and those things exist throughout his career. And even in the films that work from him, even in his best films, like Birdman is an incredibly like self-absorbed self-referential kind of like meta you know art critique right it just sometimes it works really well and sometimes it could have used a bit more in the writing room but yeah I agree like the the negative criticism almost made me more interested but I was going to see it in theaters anyway and we'll talk spoilers once Alex gives his base thoughts because you can't really talk much about this movie without going into spoilers

is because the marketing intentionally didn't really show you much. Because for a purpose, I, you know. Yeah, I'll say. Yeah, the more people started talking about this, the more intriguing, it seemed to me. Because I was going to see it anyway, but that just was like, okay, I have to see what this is about then. partially because of how bad those ads looked. Like, they clearly didn't know what angle to market this. And once you've seen the movie, some of that comes clear.

Tom Cruise is Digger. That's the ad. Yeah, yeah, with like a talking head song, so I was there, but it just, it was like, what is this? Because my biggest feel was like, is this like a don't look up type thing? How, how preachy is this going to be like, what is it, what's it saying ultimately? It was kind of like what I was most interested in. And also the main character is a fun character, this like oil tycoon bastard. And just as like a visual metaphor, it's quite fun for like,

Tom Cruise himself, like dig in for that Oscar, you know, WB. They're digging for every drop of all they can get for their fucked film industry. And just industry in general, using that kind of imagery is fun. And while I did enjoy this, it did lose me at certain points. And I think it has a incredible ending. And maybe my favorite shot of the whole year so far. So I'm quite conflicted. but definitely did enjoy a lot about this

quite surreal and strange and definitely more interesting than it it kind of looked on paper yeah hence partially because of that reveal I mean because we can get into yeah sure

they didn't say much on paper yeah so base thoughts before we get into spoiler territory it's a you know a beautiful mess again but not not as messy I feel like there's more

for sure like intent in Dig Boy It's I will say to anybody listening that's unsure about watching this I'll say that like There are creative choices in this that you will not be able to replicate outside of a theater and so it is Even if you're not like in love with it

just to get like an experience that you're not going to get elsewhere. I would say watch it in a theater for sure. But it, you know, it's a, it's a movie that like sure is flawed. I'm still thinking about and I've thought about much. You know, it's not something that I've just disposed of in my brain, which is great. Like, that's kind of what I want out of a movie. Yeah, it's not boring at all either. because the way it's being talked about almost makes it sound like a megalopolis kind of situation where it's like oh this is like almost impossible to get through I was intrigued throughout the entire thing I didn't like love every choice it made but it was entertaining especially because

of three or four performances in particular that I thought really stood out I think a lot of the pleasure in audiences and critics maybe watching this fail is it's like Tom Cruise was clearly, it's like the rock when he did the smashing machine, except this is much of a bigger fiasco because it's, oh, look at the budget, look how much money it costs to make this, it's not making any money. And critics don't even seem to like it that much,

or some critics seem to really hate it. And yeah, I think, I'll just say, I really liked this movie. Nice. I thought that I was not liking this movie until a certain point, at which point I went, okay, I'm locked in.

I want to see where this is going. And every time it felt like it was, oh, it's going to do the traditional Hollywood, like satire type of, you know, don't look up sort of thing. It sort of subverts itself and puts layers. And I don't even think it comes to an easy resolution. That's part of what makes it feel messy, but in a good way where it's just like, there's so much going on here. It's a movie that feels very hostile towards the audience. And that's something I really like in respect. And I just ended the movie.

No movie. Yeah, like exactly. More explicitly. Like no movie, especially no mainstream movie and probably the past like five, ten years has ever made me feel like total shit at the very end. Nice. I legitimately felt so just like depressed and sick to my stomach at the end of this movie. And I think that's totally intentional. And I think that's what the movie is going for.

And the fact that they pulled, tried to pull this off with like the dying last gasps of Warner Brothers right before this Paramount merger with the biggest movie star in the world. It's just like what did like they must have known going in that this was going to piss a lot of people off. Oh, yeah. And it's crazy that, yeah, again, their marketing strategy, like they did a whole trailer that was just like, let's look at Tom Cruise's career. Now he's digger.

Have fun. And it's like this movie is like. courting an audience, specifically courting an audience that will hate it. And it's almost doing that with glee. And I'm like applauding that. I'm just like, good for you. Like maybe not all of it works. And the contrast between what it's trying to do and like it is intentional in

intentionally in conflict with itself. And I think that's fucking so interesting. And it's like a big Hollywood movie. Like you just don't see that anywhere. And I don't think you'll see a movie like this again for a long time, especially not from this studio. So as soon as I finished watching it, it was probably like a six out of 10,

but it just keeps rising in my estimation every time I think about it. I can't stop thinking about it. So yeah, I'd give it about an 8 out of 10 for me. Nice. Wow. So I agree with you entirely that like it was intentionally trying to get an audience of people

that would not be prepared for the type of movie that it is. And yeah, I'll be a little. vague before we get into spoiler section, which we'll do soon. But like, you know, it wasn't that long into the movie where I was just like happy just being like, I always love when Normies are tricked into seeing an art house movie. That's one of my favorite things. Because you should try to fucking expand your fucking media diet, okay? No matter how many of you fucking idiots think that that term is made up or that it doesn't mean anything, right? Like, you should try to watch things that are not just the one thing that you're in, that's in your comfort zone, you know,

eat a restaurant that's not McDonald's, you know, eat one type of food that isn't chicken nuggies every day, right? Expand it a little bit, right? So it's, it's great to see people be confronted, not just in like a pointing the finger kind of moral ethical way, but in a way where it's just, yeah, expand, expand the the types of things that you experience so that you get more experience and then from that experience you're more informed, right? On the greater landscape of what art can be.

You want to get into spoilers? Let's do it. Spoiler time. Yeah. Yeah, it's really difficult to talk about otherwise. This does kind of neatly fit into the string of movies from different filmmakers kind of playing in a similar pool of topics like Eddington recently, Borgonia, Mickey 17 even, Asteroid City, feeding into this kind of nihilistic, apocalyptic kind of ideas.

And yeah, the Don't Look Up is the fearful way. I saw it going, but what it winds up doing in that first act, I guess, it's like the end of the first act, right? where it reveals itself because people were spreading rumors and I'd avoided like what the secret was luckily but people were saying oh is it secret musical they joke or towing this another WB disaster um but of course it's revealed to be like a play within a play type framing kind of like in was that city they did that it was a yeah um I mean it's a common like kind of framing you've seen before but the way it's used here to kind of like prod at films or stories like

like don't look up, the kind of condescending contempt for the audience type feeling that we've complained about before. It gives like a dual layer like to a lot of the characters in the movies. So it just gives it a lot more kind of depth to what you're watching and like what it's trying to say suddenly becomes a lot more interesting. Even if that kind of middle section where it is like the daughter that's gone missing, that that wasn't really that, um, inventive or even that important really in the end. It was more just changing the framing from like a top level of like, these are actors like

playing these characters and they're debating about creative choices in this film that you've seen the beginning of and like seeing the actor versus the moneyed interests and the kind of politics of it. Mm-hmm. Was where it really kind of burst open was like, oh my God, with the best reveal, just being, when the Plymins character gets contextualized when he gets a name I thought that was like the smartest writing decision it kind of said the most about this

about how everything's kind of everything's fucked it's so nihilistic like the way it makes you feel through like what it's saying literally like the fucking the air of the guy responsible for all this shit buys the rights to the play yeah he's like it's just the nepotting guy. And then I think, you know, I think that the missing daughter thing was just like to signify that even these

characters that have all been like obviously harmed enough by the actions of this family and this corporation or whatever, you know, they're still finding, they're still finding ways to like exploit the wealth of them. Like, the, the, the, the, favors in good nature of just like being friends with or having like an in with somebody with that amount of power can get you just you know like unprecedented unquestioned easy solutions to problems right and so part of the film you know pointing its fingers at the audience and just being like yeah you know what this entire generation we're all kind of fucking drunk on oil right now anyway Like, you still want your power and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

We're all the fucking blame. Sure, we're pointing fingers at large corporations. And that's true, and they are mostly. Like, our culture is, like, basically decided by these money interests, right? It does highlight that, like, yeah, people are still opportunists and people are still selfish. and, you know, it's like, it's a broken species. It's like a flaw of our entire system because evolutionarily, like, we weren't designed in any way. Like, we weren't, we, it hasn't caught up with what the fuck society is.

We've progressed way too fast. Our brains are still trying to, like, do fucking tribal shit. We're not in tribes anymore. It's out of whack. Man, the whole theater angle, I just wasn't expecting it to be as similar to Birdman as it kind of wound up being with like sprinklings of like tropic thunder or even synarchy, New York, like there's stories within stories, shows, within shows. And yeah, the way it plays with the theatrical framing.

So, yeah, point it at the audience. And just the way that's visualized is really creative and cool, this surreal, like, set design. like the way like bombing planes are presented and it's like this yeah I love that kind of dreamy like the use of color and everything was in the lighting for to distinguish the certain like the layers of the story are really cool and it sounds really complicated but it it never feels like it's doing too much or going too far with that stuff for me yeah there's kind of like a Wes Andersony vibe to a bit of it like Riz Ahmed's character in the way that he portrayed himself you know like

Like, he felt like a character kind of like plucked out of one of Wes Anderson's movies. And then when they were doing all the miniatures and stuff, the tree falling over, like, that was so cool. But it was still in Idiu's style. Like it's still very much his movie. Just like little sprinklings of like other things in there. Before this came out with how vague the trailer was in the marketing, I just like, my assumption, my best guess was that like, oh yeah,

this is going to be like fucking Dr. Strange Love meets Birdman. And I wasn't expecting it to be that similar to Birdman as it happened. I was like, oh, wow, it's really like Birdman. But it still feels distinct. It still feels way different.

Like, it's not going for the same thing at all. Oh, there's so many good soundtrack cues, too. What a wild, weird soundscape of a movie. like the entire sound design of the entire film was just so like very wet yeah yeah no that's perfect so uncomfortable yeah kind of claustrophobic yeah the opening and ending of the movie is wet you know like um yeah love the imagery and everything it's it's fascinating because like the enjoyment in audiences enjoyment of this will really depend on how much you you like those first 30 minutes you know if you're like

if you're like, hey, I want the rest of the movie to be just like this, then it can be kind of annoying being broken out of that. But for audience, like for me, the first 30 minutes, I was like, yeah, this is kind of fun. Like, there are some good jokes here. And this is like, I'd like to see it be a little more wacky and over the top because right now it's just like, you know, it's like, it feels a bit more standard issue. Like, yeah, we're doing a satire of like American corporate culture and whatever. But I knew something was going to change because, all the reviews talked about. And I didn't read that many, but it was just like, oh, the movie isn't what you think it is, you know. And so I'm like, I'm sure something else is going to happen. I don't

know that's going to like break us out of this thing. And I didn't really see it coming that, oh, this is all, yeah, this is all a play within the movie. And then I was really locked in because once you open up that world, the movie doesn't stay out of that world. The movie goes right back in. Yeah. And it wants you to care again about these characters. and is really kind of rubbing your nose in the shit of like this is like you're now understanding this movie and the critique about this movie Tom Cruise's character, the actor playing Digger is like this is phony. This isn't how it was.

The actual Digger was like a monstrous piece of shit and he was cold and mean and like all this. And you get the conversations between that, like between the director and the actor of like, no, no, no, this is like we, people need comedy. People need to laugh at this. And ultimately, the final say comes from Jesse Plymonds, you know, billionaire guy who's running the production, who has the final say ultimately. It's like, what is that saying about our, you know, media diets, our media diets, right? And who is controlling that? Exactly. Who is putting the money into that? Things don't get funded. Right. The message. How much can you really say? And like, they're

taking because the play within the movie is called what is it fossil fools and which is supposedly like a cult classic that they're now so like what does it mean to take something that was human and used to help people laugh at tragedy what does it mean now to turn it into this prestige thing with a massive budget in this crumbling theater and funded by a billionaire like it does change things and we're also seeing that entire production we're watching this lavish ornate creation that cost millions and millions of dollars starring the biggest movie starring the world. And yeah, the movie just repeatedly kind of, and I wouldn't say it wags its finger at the

audience. I wouldn't say it's like condescending. It just feels like I, if the movie feels like it's saying, this is fun to do, we like doing this, but also there's something fucked up about this. There's something wrong here and doesn't feel right. And that needs to be expressed at the same. time. And those layers make it just every moment hit even harder to the point where when I get into the scene where Tom Cruise is addressing like the United Nations or Parliament or whatever,

once you get into that scene, I'm again locked into the play itself. Like it's so overwhelmingly powerful. Tom Cruise's performance is stunning. And the dialogue is, the monologue is just is fascinating and it's this great villain performance. And so like on one level, I'm enjoying the play. I'm also disliking a lot of the play and the humor doesn't always land, whether intentionally or not. And I'm also liking the commentary about the play.

So it just, every time I thought it was going to be like turned into a preachy mode, I feel like it subverts itself and avoids that pretty cleverly. Yeah. Yeah, it addresses itself before you even have a chance to like even note it as a critique really.

That was part of what was cool about the, all the discussions like on set from the characters. And yeah, it means you get like this fun back and forth with the like dual performances from every cast member. So yeah, it is hilarious to see John Goodbin like hit the vape when the camera's not rolling. Like the comedic side of that has like multiple like narrative uses. Yeah, it's good for comedy, but also seeing like Riz Samed's character outside of the play. And like the way he's like relishing in like the gloathe. afterwards. It's like so different to the character even watching him play and just

bring tugs at different types of emotion that were really clever and cool. Yeah. And the Tom Cruise actor like struggling with his, I thought the daughter stuff was really compelling because you see the actual effects of this climate catastrophe and people and you know, what does it mean to perform this and to make it comedic when he is suffering the real life ramifications of that? And also what does it mean? that this actor who's in this big lavish production gets saved by the billionaire who basically finds his daughter at the end and ends up hugging him. Like it would be a very different movie if during that final scene he learns his daughter died

or the plane crashed. Yeah, yeah. But it doesn't. So like what is that saying? I just find it really fascinating and not to mention the final punch in the face of playing level four. Beautiful. When you're walking out of the theater.

Yeah. Because everyone in my theater, there were people who were starting to talk. And as soon as that happened, everyone was just like dead silent. And it's just like, yeah. Because it interrupts the soundtrack. It's like it interrupts the soundtrack. It's very loud. And it sounds like an actual announcement coming from the speaker system.

So that's what I mean when I say that that's like you're not going to be able to replicate that at home. Like that's that's like a meta like you're in the reality of the film. The film is in your reality. reality sort of thing. And that's beautiful because that's what it's trying to communicate is like, yeah, it's done through the context of like people watching a play because that's what we're doing. We're all in this universe where, you know, oil, money, right?

Shit's destroying our fucking planet. We're about, you know, we're going closer and closer towards like really unlivable or difficult to live in climates over time. right environments are just getting worse and worse and worse and we all see it happening and it's all just happening in slow motion and speeding up every single fucking day like what are what are we fucking doing right like we're all just kind of like trying to focus our attention on like stopping fascism in your stupid country or both of your stupid countries right now just like ah you can't

fucking do anything unless you just like I don't know I don't even fucking know at this point no it is full of doom it's also full of doom and despair about like what can art do like yeah like art isn't going to save any of us you know that's not going to do anything and also like I think it's very telling that the main disaster that occurs is this um iceberg that comes and hits up against the Europe and it's in the northern hemisphere this is like you know it's in these first world countries and in this place where oh it isn't supposed to affect us here you know and I like that this movie it's not maybe it's one of the first like apocalyptic movies that is about the world not just ending in a flash you know like climate change isn't just

going to destroy us all in a second like that it's going to just be a slow process of everything getting worse and less you know it's just going to get harder and harder and harder and harder And that's what this movie kind of depicts. And what do we do, you know, with that? And how do we address and take into account and punish the people who are primarily letting this happen? And, you know, and ultimately this movie's like, yeah, well, art isn't going to do anything about it. You know, you can make fun of Digger and everything. But look, here's his nephew, you know, who's using this play to kind of like, you know, wash or pacify people.

you know, and he's, what is, he's some kind of like security corporate, like flock camera guy or whatever. Like they're going to succeed because, or they're going to persist and there's still going to be these guys taking advantage of the situation until something, like, I guess even in the face of disaster. Until we have an entire restructuring of like the economic system and regulations involved and associated with. Exactly. Like right, whatever we're doing right now is clearly not working and that doesn't mean you throw everything out, but you have to like have fucking safeguards. Jesus Christ, there's other models that exist that you can just look at, but people in the United States of America forget other countries exist.

Holy shit. Sorry. Yeah, I guess that's partially where I'm not fully sold on the film because I agree with everything you guys have said. but there is also something about like what yeah it is nihilistic what's the conclusion

I was supposed to take away from the shit that we're just fucked you suck that's what that's what I like about it I suck you suck we'll suck yeah I guess just from like I don't feel like the film is one note but there are points in the film

where I can see the joke is funny I know exactly what they're saying with the commentary but I just feel like okay, I get it. We suck. We're the fucking worst, right? I do feel like there's more there. I mean, yeah, that is like a part of it.

And the overwhelming feeling that I get is like, wow, this is like, it's not trying to sugarcoat anything. But also, I feel like there's a lot of like complexity within it about just like the nature of art and satire and the effectiveness of that and, you know, holding people to account what that means. And that conversation, you know, in the middle of the movie between Tom Cruise and the director and Plymonds. that there's just a lot of like juicy stuff there that doesn't get resolved or settles easily like yes by the end of the movie it is just kind of like in terms of the future of our planet it's like one thing but I would be kind of disappointed if the movie was like you know what we'll figure it out you know like the Project Hill Mary moment will happen Ryan Gosling is going to you know find some thing that saves the planet or something you know

That movie is famously apolitical. You don't know what you're talking about. No politics in that movie. All the other movies, politics, not project poetry. That's like how straight is in a sexual orientation. Straits are asexual. This is basically what that says. I like asexual Ryan Gosling and Projection.

I will say that. The first asexual. movie. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. Yeah, wow. Like, I'm just, it's a Digboy.

I would say, like, I don't think it entirely avoids being preachy at all. I would say, I would classify much of this film as preachy, even with the layer. Even with the layer, because it's still like kind of explaining itself in a way, you know.

Sure, yeah. But that is something that like even though I could imagine it like negatively impacting a lot of people's experiences, to me it was just like, okay, that's there and I'm like cautious of it. But it didn't stop me from enjoying the film. Like any time where it felt like it was getting in that territory, it didn't just like stay there for the rest of it. there was enough going on. And I love all the different set pieces. And things moved along pretty quickly. I love the cinematography and the, I mean, throughout the movie, but especially even during

that scene where he's like, was he, was he at the UN or just like, was he like European wherever he was. It's some vague European council parliament kind of. That entire scene was so crazy. Oh my God. It was amazing. Because like he's doing all this like jumping up and down and doing like, action stuff in a wonder.

George Bushes him with the shoe. Oh yeah and it connects too. I was like, yes. Yeah, they got him with that fucking shoe. And then the fucking, not just the lighting, not just the color grading, but like this is, you could tell from like the set design and the makeup

that in that scene, I'm willing to assume that that like the look of it is like a nod to like Roy Anderson who's, is he Swedish or Norwegian? I think he's Swedish. Yeah, he's Swedish. Roy Anderson filmmaker, I think you guys would dig him.

Makes really weird artsy films where like... I've seen one of his movies. Oh, okay, good. Yeah, where everyone looks like they're the living dead, basically, you know? Like, which I mean is probably part of the commentary on the film. The camera doesn't move. Yeah, just very dark humor. Yeah, and like no shadows and like everything's just like a light green light.

you know and so that was that was cool to to have and you know especially with that being said in Europe like I would have to assume that that's a nod to his style but another notable thing about this like not not just like the fucking cinematography and the energy and how like loud and how like preachy in a good way that that feels because it's the character trying to like justify his horrific actions and that that's a fun layer to it and he like wins them over by the end of the scene. The music in that scene, these weird, like, super low, really loud, like, kind of terrifying, not quite Inception District 9 or anything, but like almost kind of a little reminiscent, but not enough that it's like feeling like that. Love that, but also the aspect ratio

changes between the... Very subtle, actually. Oh, I was noted. noticing it very, I don't know, maybe it's just like how close to the screen you're sitting, or maybe it's, I think this is like being presented in different formats. So like maybe the wide is wider or the tall is taller or something. But anyway, the sections between the play and the quote unquote real life, those are, they incorporate different aspect ratios, one's wider. one's taller to help like signify this is the concrete play, this is the concrete real life. But there's an interesting choice that happens during this scene in Europe where him and

Riz Ahmed are discussing things to each other in character. So ostensibly in the play. But the aspect ratio, this is the only time in the film, I believe, changes in a way where it's like not, right? So it's like, so, so either, you know, the surface level interpretation of this would be that they're in character still, but like having a real conversation about how to like handle the scene, which I don't think is happening.

And if I watch it again, I think I'm going to find further proof that that's not happening. My interpretation of this is that in the same way that the film is trying to make us as audience members be confronted with the reality that the movie is real life, you know, the whole level four thing. Like, we're all just people watching this. I think it's just another choice where it's trying to communicate like, okay, we've done the real life aspect ratio, but as you see, they're still in character, right?

And this is a scenario, this is a specific context where these characters are like plotting and they're rehearsing in their own way. So even though they're not rehearsing as the actors playing the characters, their characters are rehearsing in the context of the stage play story. And they're trying to formulate what to say to the audience that exists in that world. And so, in essence, that's what they're doing in the actor play universe, right? Like, there's different types of rehearsals. There's different types of performances. There's different types of characters, and we all do this in real life, right?

Like, if you're ever thinking about something that you're planning on telling someone, right, you're doing some form of like rehearsal for it, like you're trying to figure out what you're going to say. And philosophically, right, like there's tons of different philosophers, Carl Young, et cetera, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, where it's like there's different, there's different parts of our psyche, right? Like, the concept of identity. Like how many of us are just putting on a performance? How much of what we perceive to be like the environmental crisis is a performance? How many people are being genuine when they talk about it? How many people are just giving rehearsed canned answers in real life?

Right? I think that's what it's trying to get at is just like blurring the lines and establishing that there are clear boundaries and then we're going to break them. We're going to show you that the boundaries exist. but they don't. We want you to break down the boundaries and experience the film as real life, so much so that, like, it comes out of your screen. No, and even on, like, a technical level, the performances, when you realize, like, you aren't watching Riz Ahmed just playing this character.

You're watching Riz Ahmed play an actor playing this character. The same of all of the other actors, Tom Cruise especially, like, once you see his, the performer playing this guy is really conflicted and he's dealing with this other stuff like it changes Digger's performance significantly and you feel like he changes it becomes less cartoonish as he goes

on almost I'd say a really clever way of fleshing out a one dimensional character like Digger in the play is like this one note like mustache twirling evil villain basically but just giving him that

actor backstory who feels like a fleshed out person and then watching that performance again, him playing this one-note character. It's like a really interesting dynamic that otherwise would be. Cruz brings it for all of the play scenes, but it gives him more of like a range as a character, or at least a performance throughout the movie. I thought that was like a really fun, clever way to spin it. And through this convo,

I'm thinking about like, yeah, this film is not subtle. It lacks a lot of subtlety. And it almost kind of has to for this to work at all. Like the lack of subtlety is kind of what made it was click at certain points. Like that fucking cat. It's like so ridiculous and over the top of that puppet and the way he's like treating it. And it's just like this visual metaphor and this feeling, this anguish throughout the entire movie feels like that that cat.

And yeah, it's just the more the more I'm thinking about, the more I am liking it. And I'd happily watch this again. Yeah, I want to see it again in a theater. Yeah, I wasn't bored for a second. It's just it's just very unusual in a good way. Yeah. Like a Megalopolis way because there's a lot of great movies

this year. Didn't Megalopolis even try and do the like meta angle as a thing as well? Yeah, exactly. Shit and all that. Then it kind of didn't work where the way this did it was like, wow,

this is like what the fuck is even real what's happening right now. Yeah. It's fascinating because so many, quite a few filmmakers are trying to do their own Dr. Strangelove you know,

ever since, I mean, and Dr. Strangelove is the best type of, I mean, it is like, one of the best dark satires. It's just a,

a perfect movie in my opinion. And it's almost like, Iniarita was like, I want to do my Dr. Strangelove, but also like, maybe you saw it don't look up and it was like, okay, you know, warning, sign. But, you know, instead of making Dr. Strangel, let's make the movie about making Dr. Strangelove. And in a world where there was already an atomic World War III. Yeah, it's kind of like that. Yeah. I think people should

I wish more people would see it I mean I know it's just kind of being laughed at because of the financial disaster but it's like why does everyone need to be fucking Hollywood executives like just it's go check it out

here's uh here's my conspiracy theory there's a non-zero amount of of pushback to this film that is not genuine sure how much there's a but there's guaranteed a budget annually spent on misinformation about fucking oil.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Right? There's quite literally people paid to make sure that people don't wake the fuck up. Right? Enough people are awake. It's like it seems like a common fact among anybody with a brain that's like not a grifter or an idiot, right? But like keeping enough people idiots by paying the grubes.

by paying the grifters is like quite like that's literally a thing right it works weirdly well yeah I'm not saying you have to hand anything to Tom Cruise but I will say it is one of the most interesting things he's ever done in his career sure make this movie at this phase in his like Hollywood career like it is just so out of left field that I just have to respect it it's it's fascinating yeah and yeah he's just unhinged enough to pull off the character sure yeah he's going like he's going like magnolia

like frank t j macky almost just like going crazy on stage like um he's the right he's the right guy for this i mean and it is his film you know like he he he is the glue that makes it work um yeah that that that scene in like the parliament thing

with the rotating floor it was fucking that was fine that whole sequence that was such a great moment that was like a oh they really had a good idea with this and yeah just looking at his yeah what's the last time he did something that wasn't an enormous blockbuster you know like it's been forever i guess the weirdest previous one was probably tropic thunder that was like that's still like a blockbuster yeah it was a cameo appearance at least that wasn't a leading role yeah probably since then probably i guess

since like eyes wide shut something that was kind of like strange for him to be doing Yeah. Yeah, super interesting. And definitely going to be like a cult classic. What was the budget on this? Oh, $125 million. Nice. Yeah.

Okay. The marketing was probably like three times that, you know. Yeah. Yeah, there are rumors that it's actually a lot higher too. That's crazy. I mean, like, when In Yari 2 gets like the double whammy of Birdman Revenant, like he can do whatever he wants. for the rest of his career probably.

Like he can get fun. Like this might put a dent in his ability to get funding for sure. But like he'll get some funding again. He'll be able to do some stuff. Like Revenant made a shit ton of money. Like right after fucking Birdman. Did it really?

Yeah, I made a ton of money, didn't it? Oh. No, I just know that it was like well received but in pretty sure it was pretty. Yeah, and then he won best director like two years in a row at the fucking uh, Oscars. He won Best Picture with Birdemic. Or sorry, Birdman, Birdemic. Um, yeah, worldwide 532 million for Revenant theatrical.

Like, that's pretty good. Budget 135 million, you know what? That is well, but this has like the same budget almost as dicker. Yeah, there's no way they're making that money back. But yeah, I mean, like that one's such an easier thing to sell. Leo DiCaprio fight. a bear. Like that's all the marketing you need. People were sold. That was literally the marketing. It was like, we get to see Leo DiCaprio fight a bear. It worked. Everyone wants it. Are you guys hot on the Revenor? Revenue. I mean, no, Revenor. The Revenant. Yeah, I really do. I love it, actually. I, you know, I was, I was less hot on it the first time I saw it, and I just love it more and more. Because I accept it's like,

I don't know if absurdities is the right word like sure maybe there's things about it that are that are silly for sure but that score is so incredible and so much of like cinematography and performance and like yeah now I'm like down for the feel of the movie and I just I love it more and more every time I see it

yeah it's a little of all in that movie I should watch it again I only saw it once when I came out. I didn't love it. Yeah. I'm like really heavy on like music and sound and that that's a great. Oh really? Really? Yes. Not nice. Yeah. I didn't know that. Well, you heard it here first. This is news everyone. You like sound. Yeah. The sound guy. Yeah. I'm kind of mixed on sound. What would you guys read this from? I'm like When I got out of the theater

I'm like okay seven Maybe high seven Like I feel like maybe I got to bump it up to an eight Because I'm like I kind of want to catch this in theaters Before it's like gone Like as in a second time Like I think I'd see this with a friend sort of thing Yeah because

I rated it at a three star But I'm thinking of bringing it up to three and a half star Um Nice It's got too many qualities It's too interesting it's too kind of strange in a way that clicks with me, whereas I hope it's like the opposite experience.

Yeah. And I mean, like, again, this is like a super unique piece that just like it's like almost like encapsulating just like this moment in time. This is like a canon event in my film experience, my total film experience. This is a canon event. Wow. What are some other canon events? Boss baby.

Okay. Well, the EG down on a button, yeah. Digger is giving you real boss baby vibes. Yeah, boss baby too. Yeah. Baby geniuses. Baby geniuses. Yeah, baby geniuses, too, super babies.

A lot of baby movies. Super babies. I think Megalopolis. Pound puppies. Mm-hmm. Lion King Okay And the Holy Mountain

Still haven't seen the Holy Mountain I'm not I don't know if you'd like it or not Oh Yeah Have you seen you've seen Synecda Key New York I love Synecatee New York yeah

It's one of my favorite movies I would say I've seen them several times But Alex What would be canon movies for you canon of that movie's real. The original alien is a big one, for sure. Lord of the Rings, maybe like, I'm just going to like a bunch of normally masterpieces, I guess.

Like Empire, all the podrace, that's go. Phantom Menace, for sure. Okay. To freedom. Or to freedom, yeah. Who killed Captain Alex, for sure. All of that kind of stuff. Nice.

And I guess you've got to say like a cool cat. Yeah, that was a canon event in the internet. That was definitely a canon event. That's a canon event in YouTube culture. Still going. Yeah, I think those are my main canon events. I get Maus Express as well. I'll give that a more recent one.

Sure. Yeah, that's a great canon. I like framing it this way rather than like favorite movies. I like how you put it in with like canon movies. Yeah. Formative. Things that are structurally fundamental to your personality. Yeah, things you're going to remember.

I'd probably put Spider-Vus in there, actually. That's like where that term is a popular rise, right? Canon event from that second Spider-Vos. Crazy. Yeah. I'm never going to forget that moment at the end of this movie. I'm going to be thinking about that forever. Yeah.

That hit hard. That was an amazing ending. That's like the most memorable part of a film that I've experienced. that I've experienced in maybe decades. Yeah, because it made the whole tech angle of the film really click as well, because there are scenes of like the acting Tom Cruise using this like screen thing and like swiping on it like Iron Man. It's like that's a weird choice to put in there. But then you get that context at the end of like, all right, they're like in the apocalypse, I guess, in this.

Yeah. Version of the world. Yeah. It's like were they in character or not? I'm wondering, because there was a sign that said level four behind the thing. Maybe they were... Yeah, maybe they were at a... Well, they were in character, but they were waiting...

I don't know. I'll have to watch that again. I mean, like, specifically when he's, like, sat in the dressing room and there's, like, a script change, and it's, like, put onto his screen. It's, like, not printed out. It's, like, a tech angle that's, like, put into the film specifically. Because I wasn't really even thinking about the time period of the play, really, until the end. Oh, this is like in the future type.

Yeah, it seems futuristic. Science fiction disaster. And they have like weird phones. Like they, like a weird security device that he shares with Jesse Plano. Like a tear drop. Yeah, yeah. We're back to beepers. Bringing back beepers.

Yeah, I wasn't sure how much of that was like an it follows. Like this is just like an elseworld 80s or whatever. I know it's very much a post-apocalypse. I'm really glad that you guys liked it too I mean yeah this is it's really cool to see kind of this movie be re-evaluated already like within the week it's come out where people are like hold on a second hold on a second wait wait wait wait so okay I'm not on Twitter like I'll open it just to like post a thing and then I have the app hidden on my phone

what is the conversation about this movie there's a digger hive I feel like it's very similar to Babylon when Babylon got kind of skewered by critics that there's kind of like a younger seems like a younger group of like cinephiles especially like when you look at the ratings from like Metacritic compared to like letterbox

to where it seems like it's a lot higher on letterbox where people are like hold on like this is actually way better than critics are setting it out to be this is the type of movie where it's like oh, I guess sort of like Eddington, Eddington too, where people are like, oh, this is going to age really well. In like 10 years, people are going to say it's a masterpiece.

So people are already like, no, like just hold on. It's actually a masterpiece. We just need to give it some time. So that's the conversations I'm seeing at least. Okay. Yeah, I'd echo that. But I've seen it's already kind of got its fans that are coming out of the woodwork. It's Southam Tales fans, you know, like they're clinging on.

Yeah, you know what? Both of the movies that we've talked about so far in the podcast, I would consider to be like instant cult classics. It has its audience of people that love it and they're never going to forget it. And we'll never get sequels. Nope. We're not going to get you. Yeah. The diggest.

It's Bubby time. Yeah. Is it finally time to. Bad boy. That puppy. Just such a fun. thought name to say. I mean, I understand why your dog is named Bobby.

Wait, is your dog actually named Bobby? I've just called him, he's called algae, but I call him Bubby. He's that Bobby. That's pretty good. Yeah. Don't know if I can do that after this movie. Well, can I? Also, I just, I love how quickly Jake

called you out at the end of the last episode, like, you pick this because it sounds like something that would be on your jar. It's just a silly sounding type. already we start the recording before we even start recording you're just like bubby bubby it is infectious bubby bobby bobby yeah no it's one of a great name kind of like bub boy is the illiteration i think when it's a bha bad boy bubby yeah it's it's delightful

and then you watch the movie and it's the most horrifying shit you've ever seen because i hadn't seen this i'd heard it was kind of gnarly part of what i wanted to check it out i had no idea I had no idea going in. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is definitely something fresh. Yeah. This is 1993's Bad Boy Bubby, directed by Rolf DeHia. It follows the, what was it, 35-year-old?

Well, no, he's been 35 years trapped in a small room by his mother, his evil mother. And through circumstances, he is whipped out of his confined little. world and put into the streets of Australia and hilarity slash disturbing stuff continues as a result a weird dark comedy um it's kind of like if digger is making fun of um like a don't look up this kind of feels like it's making fun of a forest gump or that kind of movie um while also doing a little bit of those kind of tropes as well um I was definitely entertained. I still don't really know what the fuck I just watched. But it was certainly unique.

Fools into the kind of pocket of movies with almost like a poor thing or a dog tooth, dog tooth more from like a plot angle, whereas poor things, it's kind of like an adult with the mind of a child kind of trope going on. A bit of like room or old boy weirdly in there. the fucked up nature of like a happiness or pink flamingos to an extent. It's not a lot of David Lynch in there. Yeah, Lynch or Naked, another film we've covered before. It's doing a lot.

It can be a little bit R-slash atheism at times for me. Overall, I thought it was fucked up and pretty entertaining. but I'm curious how this washed over you guys. Let's go Jake. What do you think, Jake? Oh, I get to go before Adam. Yeah, you go. Yeah, I want to hear you first.

You're more important. Oh, thanks. We're all equals here. I think that this was a really good movie. I really liked the beginning, as disturbing as it is. It's just like 30 minutes of this 30-year-old man being tortured and incest and his mother controlling and abusing him. But you're all locked in that world.

It is extremely fascinating. And it has this lynch feel. I don't know. Maybe it's like the soundscape. The sounds are so distinct. The world feels like nightmarish and kind of surreal. So you like, and I didn't know where the movie was going. So I was like, is it going to be in this room the whole time?

Like, is there actually an apocalypse? Like, what does the world outside look like? And when he does get. free, it is at both fun and very scary because like half of the movie is just him assaulting women. Like it's kind of wild. And but also there is this weird, like extremely dark humor that comes from so many of these interactions that you really feel for this character. And I think I like you got to comes down to the performance.

Like this guy's central performance is so deeply human and upsetting. and just very empathetic that, like, this person who has been severely abused and tortured, trying to find a way in this world and where it ends up going was kind of sweet and very, but also, yeah, darkly humorous. So I was fascinated by this movie. I was really troubled, like, emotionally by this movie. but I think it was really a worthwhile experience and definitely not for everyone.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Definitely not for everyone. Yeah, no, at times I was reminded of like, angst, a 1983 film that I don't, that's one that I don't think Jake would like.

Alex, maybe, I don't know. I've seen, I think I've seen some of that, yeah. Oh, okay, okay. All you need to know about it is, it's it's like what of fucking Gaspar noe is inspirations. This is what he lists. And then you watch it and you're like, oh yeah, I get it. This is like, this is birthed him.

Yeah, it almost felt like this was going to be in the same universe at points. A little bit of dog tooth at the beginning. Oh, yeah. It was curious if it was going to like remain as that sort of like, you know, abusive, parent dynamic sort of thing for the entire. entirety of the film. And then, yeah, weirdly, like, it's, it turned into something very different. And it's kind of, it's almost kind of crazy that they would conceptualize something

where ostensibly, you're kind of like rooting for this guy. And you're kind of like, you know, to me, like, I, when he was experiencing positive things in life, I was like, yeah, this is great. a good vibe but like you know he he did a lot he did a lot of things that like not everybody would be able to be on board with or empathize but I guess maybe the fact that like he's yeah he doesn't know any better kind of like he's he's literally just like a mirror to society has no idea it's a society type film yeah right you had like no chance you kind of was like just a victim from day dot and just thrown into

this uh spiky environment um and that's part of his character right is like a lot of his dialogue is just repeating things he's heard throughout the movie which comes out in really good comedy have you guys seen being there no being there no okay this movie i've seen bean bean yeah uh different movie uh being there is the halashby movie peter sellers where it is very very similar to this in that he just kind of repeats everything. Like Peter Sellers plays someone who is like mentally disabled and he's lived at home for his whole life. And then like suddenly his, I believe his father dies or something and he goes out into the world. And through a strange insane set of circumstances because he basically just repeats what people says and barely says anything, he becomes elevated to like the president's advisor.

It's a satire. But it's extremely. funny. It is great. Yeah, but it's similar to being there, but this is just on such an extreme other level of horror.

But still kind of funny. Yes, an extremely sensory film. Especially because that audio, like there are a couple of creative choices from that angle, but adding these

a particular name, right? Was it by by neural mics. Yeah. Where it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll have to look it up, but somebody was mentioning that they like hid microphones in his hair to give it like this spatial kind of like, but both distance and also like left and right channel sort of proximity

whenever other people were talking. So like intentionally weird and off-putting sound design and even the stuff that they didn't capture with those mics is like, you know, you hear a lot of like high-pitched like squeaking and like humming, like especially in that first environment. It was just like I was off put by it. I feel like I liked that effect because of how, especially when I got onto the fish out of water stuff,

it just really accentuated this main character, how just like out of place he was. So you felt it through the, the soundscape, you know, when he's getting like overwhelmed by people talking in a scene or the volume of it or whatever strange sounds were being picked up. I thought that was a really cool unsettling creative choice for, especially when like a lot of films with this kind of subject matter usually go for a different type of emotion, like an I Am Sam or something like this. But it really wants you to be like crying with him and just feeling like that kind of sympathy.

This film is trying to make you uncomfortable as fuck for most of its runtime. And that was like the best part of it to me was a lot of the like kind of awkward comedy. It really makes you feel like Bubby. It does. It's like a unique Bubby experience. Yeah. The fuck else is there like this. The exaggerated swagger of Bubby.

Anytime. It's fascinating because there are so many moments where you're like, oh, this is going to get him arrested and thrown in jail. and it doesn't happen. Like he, the first day he escapes, he, like, gets laid and,

like, goes home with some woman. And then you're like, is this movie gonna be like this more? Like, things are just gonna work out for him? No, no,

he gets raped in prison. And then he, you know, like his cat dies. Like, it's just endless misery and suffering for him. And then,

like, the way he finds, like, retribution or finds some, not even retribution, but like a sense of, safety with music and with these musicians and becoming part of their band and then the nurse who

has some kind of like can understand that he needs help like to me i just kept thinking in this movie i'm like i want to live in a society where if a person like bubby and he lived this whole life in captivity and he escapes i want to live in a society where we have the means to help this person out and do what and identify okay what's going on with this person what do they need and help them instead of um whatever happens to bubby in this film you know we're kind of all too preoccupied trying to make ends meet in a shitty fucking system so that we can give all our money to pedophiles yeah you know that would it would help to not have to do that yeah we're all kind of busy yeah sorry well i mean we sorry

Fuck you got mine Yeah It's just it was such a A real bummer of a movie But it literally Like things There is like you see the beauty of humans too Like it really shows the light and the dark

In a very extreme exaggerated way That again you'll see in like David Lynch movies for sure Yeah I don't know This felt almost like Lars von Schrears the straight story or something I don't know

yeah I don't know it was like unpredictable and weird like is this going to be sincere right now is this going to take this in a satirical angle like when you when you're first introduced to his dad who like didn't even know he was born and he's like hey son I'm your pop

I'm a preacher part time do you think this director likes religion very much. Not the fucking vibe I was getting from this because, oh my God, yeah, a lot of blaspheming kind of humor, which I thought was really good for the most part. Just as I was saying in the intro

with the R-slash atheism thing, that it does go a little bit far at one point when he's like in that, like, tech place and that guy's just like monologuing. That was fun. I love that scene. I love that he shows up. to the church and he think he's going to have a religious experience and he talks to the organ player.

And then immediately, they're suddenly in this like industrial factory and he's just like, fuck God. Like we're all atoms. He's just like running about it. Yeah. Yeah. It was well because the movie is like at such a weird kind of like bam, bam, bam, bam pacing where like no shot really lingers on for far too long. And all of the dialogue is me bubby, me pop, pop, bab now, huge tit.

And then he's like fucking every woman including his mom and he's like and like every woman's just like fucking after him even though he's like a top and a sub and he just doesn't do anything And and then all of a sudden it's just like oh yeah. Oh yeah, we're like we're now getting like a philosophical monologue and a oneer And like and like a big scene right and the camera moving back and it was like in terms of of like production during that shot as well. It was kind of interesting because I was, I was thinking about like what they must have done to get that shot because it looked a little too messy for like a crane.

I'm like, did they like have like a really long pole that the camera was on and somebody's just walking down below or something or like maybe it was just like attached with strings or something or it was kind of interesting and it kind of made it better for the film. Like the messiness, the shake, the wobbliness of the shot, the imperfection kind of fits the rest of the film better, you know? Yeah.

And of course, incorporating 31 different cinematographers. Yes. That style. Very cool. I thought that added a lot. Like, that's a really cool idea for a character like this to accentuate the kind of difference between how he's interacting with each scene and like the tone of each scene to make it head different. because like yeah he bumbles about for a lot of the movie but one of the better gags i thought was when he

becomes this like post-punk genius when he lines up on stage like his lyrics and terrapita it's like whoa this is fucking have on guard what he's saying right now and it's just like a bunch of shit he's like regurgitating basically yeah that was awesome he was reminded me of like um markey smith in the fall or something i thought that was awesome what i found to be cool about uh the music in this film is not only is it so prominent, but it's actually like pretty thoughtful in terms of how it's shown. A, like the violinist

that he comes across, it's like, okay, that person knows how to play violin. It looks like they're playing. It's not one of those like obviously fake notes sort of thing that you see in every movie. And the frequency with which he runs into musicians that are just like, musicians that are just like there for no reason,

like Salvation. army just doing like choir, like singing these carols or whatever just by themselves in the middle of nowhere. Like doesn't even look like they have like a donation bucket or whatever. The fucking bagpipers that show up in the prison, you know, the girl with the violin, the fucking the bands that he comes across, he winds up getting his own theme song and everything. Like it really is his salvation, his music. And what's interesting about it is every time that they show a successive scene,

with Bubby on microphone performing with this band, each time he actually gets more rhythmic and intentional. At first he's just saying words like, you know, as if they could be interchanged and dispersed anywhere in whatever order without any care or attention to like the rhythm

or the structure of the song. But by the last time, and there's a slow progression each time, time it shows it. By the last time he's doing it, it's like, oh, wow, this seems like a bit more rehearsed. Like, he's nailing the enunciation. The emphasis is like on the beat, right? Like, he's like, he's been rehearsing, he's been practicing, and he's understanding music the more that he interacts with it. And I thought that that was a cool detail to have that like noticeable progression that maybe not everybody would identify. Yeah. I mean, he learns fast. He's, he's a good

boy he's a good bobbie I mean he has his persona with pop when he's like I'm not buppy I'm pop yeah and that was that was sad it was buppy's dead it was sad and heartbreaking he's also a serial killer he's he is technically yes he is a serial ring rap killer he's just a little guy he didn't know better he didn't I mean he was trying to see if they breathe he was doing science right yes And you've got to break a few eggs to become a mad scientist. And then he becomes a father. I mean.

And then he becomes president. He could. Yeah, I could see him doing it. I'd vote, Bubby. I would totally vote Bubby. Yes, you know, Prime Minister of Australia right now. I haven't kept up with it, but like, so. Bubby's prime.

What do they have presidents? I can't remember. No, they have presidents. Yeah, I guess the... Aren't you a part of Australia? What the fuck? Yeah. It's not like I pay attention to them politics. Okay. I could live there if I wanted. Maybe I'll be there soon enough.

Become my own puppy. Yeah. Yeah. I guess for me, I was put off by the animal shit early on. That was, yeah, yeah. That cat was not having a good time. No. Yeah. Did not like that. It's funny because, like, you look at some of the, like, certain articles or whatever talking about it. And this is the case for like every fucking movie. they always say like, oh yeah, no, people make sure to, to, they ensure that like no cat or whatever

was harmed or nothing unethical was done. There's some body or whatever like PETA, I don't know. It seems like everything gets that certification. What I learned is that they didn't kill a cat. Well, I mean they did, but like it was a feral cat and they put it down humanely, which is like what you have to do in Australia if you find a feral cat. So it's just like they got to use a real dead cat's body like David Lynch and fucking a razor head. It's fucking dead. Anyway. So that was a real dead cat?

Yeah. Oh my God. I thought I was just like I didn't like how they were treating the cat with like on the string at the beginning of the movie. No, yeah. That's what I was going to get to as well. It's just like I wonder if the cat actually just got stuck by itself and then they just turn the camera on because if they set it up so that it was stuck.

Right. Then that's bad. But if the cat just happened to get stuck, then I guess they're no better than BBC Planet Earth filmmakers by not intervening, you know. Right, right. No, there's a whole section on the Wikipedia talking about this film, the animal cruelty allegation segment. It's not that one. When the film was released in Italy, a coalition of animal rights groups tried to set up a boycott of Australian products alleging that Bubby's pet cat was wrapped in plastic wrapping and suffocated to death on film. But Ralph DeHia has said that none of that is true.

The cat scenes were carefully filmed with a vet and animal cruelty inspector on set. Nicholas Hope is in an onstage interview included on the DVD of the film says there were two cats, one of which became a pet of a crew member. The other was a feral cat that was put down by a vet after filming. As with most feral cats that are caught in Australia, film critic Mark Commode left the screening due to that apparent animal abuse in the making of the film. so yeah yeah like I mean

there are shots that you just couldn't you couldn't recreate without fucking with an animal without at the very least being mean and making something uncomfortable for no reason yeah yeah there's like no way to just for yeah a couple of the shots there

um for sure and you know didn't really need it in my opinion um but this is like a the further you go back the more this kind of comes up There's a, something to mention. Yeah. There's a lot of people that when it's included in films. And I am when it's like real animals being fucked up.

And it's kind of, it's, it was particularly interesting because I had recently watched Digger and they just did a, they just did a little puppet. Yeah. A little puppet cat. A little puppet cat. That was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Because I honestly going into it, I wasn't sure.

Like, is this going to be like a human sense of B tier kind of like snuff thing? I think like how exploitational is this, and it winds up being like a bit as more going on than that. Sure, yeah. That's one of the more exploitative kind of angles, I guess. Something, something that I'm also just realizing because of this conversation is that like, the music being his salvation makes sense because he's like, he's like, he's got auditory autism, right? He's like, he's able to perfectly replicate words that other people have said. like he someone says something to him once and he remembers it the exact intonation like he's able he's literally like a parrot he's like me i'm bubby

oh my god well it's just heartbreaking because he he just acts like a toddler you know he's just like a little toddler that you know toddlers just want to repeat everything and we'll just say whatever you say or just trying to emulate people like uh you know it's monkey see monkey do And, yeah, I mean, seeing that on screen, it's just really, you know, brutal and sad. He, it's just a very, it's a very strange movie because I really did enjoy it, like, in terms of like, there's some, it's just compelling. It's just really compelling and interesting. But at the same time, I think part of why I'm able to, like, stomach this movie more than another movie, I guess, is because of the stylistic distance. Like there's a bit of a distancing quality of like this is a bit surreal.

It's not like we're not trying to make this as realistic as possible. It's kind of elevated. So I think that helps. Yeah. Make it digestible. The Aussie accents help too. These aren't people. Yeah.

They say the C word over there. Well, they do. Yeah. I like how some of the scenes were just like stretched. video just warped. That was fun. It's just like it's one of those things that like in a different context in a different film

in the same time period. You'd see that used as like a character's like oh I'm so drunk right now and then you'll see like a POV shot and it's like that and then that's annoying. But that was just like oh we're just doing this because his life is fucked up and there's going to be like entire scenes that are just shot like this which is great. like it's used appropriately

like I feel like there's no necessarily inherently bad filmmaking or editing technique it's all just about how you use it even some of the most egregious things like the dropped frame rate sort of like slow mo without shooting at high speed sort of thing

like I've seen that done well even though most of the time it's shit what was your guy's like favorite comedic beat I knew I was going to like it when the dad character comes in and that just super awkward. I think he comprehends like just weird dynamic they had. You've got to see the funny side of things and all this ironic stuff that they were saying. What were your favorite gags?

I don't know. I liked when he just wanted the pizza and he has like this priest look and everything. And just like, what kind of pizza do you want? Pizza. and then he wants to get pizza for his cat and it just cuts to him just like angrily like trying to open the door for like way too long

and I don't know it's just kind of funny well I just I like him playing with the little kid on the street where it's just like oh God yeah man is like chasing after the kid because it's like it is innocent and sweet but it's like oh my God from the perspective of a parent it's just like what like get the fuck away

you gotta get the fuck away yeah what about your on them um to me it was a strange experience because it's like i never felt like anything for my experience was like either explicitly a gag or explicitly not a gag it was always a combination of like hilarious and terrifying like i was laughing at some of the like like serious shit too I was like it's like whoa incest you know like it's like is that a gag like I don't know it blurs the lines often where it's like is what I'm watching

hilarious or scary or both you know it's like it's it was often both so yeah like when he's like chasing the kid I was like you know just like what the the the people around him aren't acting like like scared enough about this crazy man who's followed your child into the store like you need to you need to panic more was the impression I got even we can't even call him harmless he'd killed

like two people in a cat by that point he's like now after the kid like is he going to see if he could breathe or whatever like where the hell is this going I guess like the explicitly funny parts sometimes came from like the way that other people interacted

with him you know I like the humor was how he got tossed around and how quickly he literally just like one person would pick him up drop him off like get punched by a cop somebody else picks him up

he's with a band and then like fucking he's in the newspaper they're like he can sleep in your bed tonight. They weren't even considering turning him in. It wasn't even the money that he got them that made them change their minds.

Like, they were never going to turn him in. Like, they were fine. It was a $50,000 reward, but they're like, eh, we like him, even though we're scared of him. He's cool. He's a really good rodey. Oh, I think, no, my actual favorite gag in it

is when he's, like, invited to have a threesome. And he's just like, well, your boobs are small. No, no. Imns not angel tits And then the ending how that final performance is so like I don't know it's kind of like the profane

and the sacred moment of him performing this music with his big like blow up doll and he's like making love to the blowup doll and it's just it is this kind of like sweet disturbing trash that's um i don't know it's fascinating yeah it is like trashy and dirty but you can't look away and it does ride that line yeah yeah being like comedy and horror like that that

bagpipe scene the way it was using the bagpipes was quite distressing um just the way it was like the audio there was recorded and the way it was edited together was like this is this is fucked up oh yeah it's got an energy to it it's infectious Bobby. Bobby has infected our hearts. He is... The bubster. Something about him. The bubster.

Vote bubby. Vote bobbie, seriously. Why not at this point? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Have you guys heard of or seen any of this other... This filmmaker's other films?

No. No, I haven't. And I'm not sure if... I'm looking at least. They're remotely similar because there's quite a body of work here. I'm looking at. Yeah. I'm not recognizing any of these.

I mean, I guess they're all Australian productions. Okay, so I've seen Charlie's country. I give it a five. Okay. I need some Ozzy's to write and let us know which ones are there. Let us check out. Here's a question, Alex. So when you recommended this, you were like,

you said you didn't know much about it, but that like your family, your Australian family, like, really liked it. Yeah, they always. say the title. Okay, because in my head, the way that you described it just kind of left me with the impression of like, oh yeah, like the family comes together and like watches a movie. Me too, family's favorite. Me too.

Because you mentioned your family. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure some Aussie families do that with this one. And the way that you were talking about it in your memory made it sound like your understanding, your knowledge of it comes from like your childhood or something. that like they were talking about it like to you as a kid like that was the impression I got I was raised on Bubby and then as soon as the movie started and all this like I was like instant incest I was like yeah what's going on learning so much about how this is

it's an Australian classic that's how cool no I think it probably stuck for the same reason it's stuck with the title sure fun to say you know you're not going to forget that title any minute. I'm going to name my first born child bubster. Bubster. Are there any other titles with that kind of sticky name that's just like, stickiness? It's got a sticky like, mm, bad boy bubbly. Yeah, I just, um, oh, there has to be one. Mars needs moms is like kind of close, but not quite. Yeah, that has a similar vibe or butt boy, as I said earlier. But boy is great. Oh my God

I know I know there's one that like we're not thinking of right now We're going to hate ourselves We're not thinking of it There's got to be so many I feel like if we go If I look at like the Sardonicast uploads Like one will point it

From when it was just Alex and I I feel like we're going to find one from that era Whatever I'll scroll We can continue the conversation station. F1. F1. That's just, hmm. No. No. No. Um, yeah, I don't know. Do you guys got any more on Bubby? I feel like I've said my piece. I'm happy with the bubster. Yeah, I'm happy with my Bubby kind of experience. Um, how do we, how do you write this? Seven. I don't know. Three bubs out of four. I mean,

one pop out of three, seven bubs. I'm feeling a three and a half bubby on this three and a half bubby I think I'm with you there three and a half bubys sounds about right out five bubbyes yeah fucking weird

it's just this kind of helpless character used by everyone he meets I don't know how you could predict like any direction this shit goes the fact that has a happy ending even is like okay yeah sure

so kind of over the top and wild I think I'd watch it again too I found it funny enough for how fucked up it is but I would definitely understand someone not clicking with this or not enjoying how unusual it is yeah

I'd watch it again one of these days sure yeah no I'd get the Blu-ray I'd get the Blu-ray yeah sit around you know gather all the family around on the holiday just like Alex does

you know one for the the whole family yet. Mm-hmm. On Christmas. All right. I got to pee so bad again. I'm sorry.

I'll be here. I'll be right. All right. So you telling me you didn't bubby out on Christmas? I haven't bubbyed out yet on Christmas, but, man, I just keep, I keep thinking about sticky movie titles,

and I'm just, like, looking through movies. Like, there's just no movie that's, like, bad boy bubby. I just got a special thing. I'm confident that nothing even comes close, to be honest. Nothing comes close. We found the most bad boy bubby of the bad boy bubby titles. And it's like not that well known.

Like you have to like go out of your way to get bubby in your mind. No, I watched it on Tooby. I think that was the only workplace it was straight. I was going to ask where you found it. It's quite a pain in the house to like get a copy of. We need the 4K. How did you see it? I got my family copy.

That's just a whole DHS Yeah That's great Um No, I was just searching up some like Title lists But they're all just too obvious

Psycho Silence of the Lambs There's no You need alliteration, I feel You need a bit of the alliteration Eritemak Jumanji That's a sticky title

Stickiness Yeah We're thinking of sticky titles, but we just think bad boy bubby is the Yeah, the nothing's... The bubbyest. The bubbyest of all, for sure. Mm-hmm. Top tier bubby.

John Dilma, 203 Kermel. Really rolls off the time. That's no bubby, man. Well, you know, boss baby is up there. Boss baby is. Bad boy baby. Again, another B alliteration, though. Yeah, it's the B.

So, yeah, these are the three Bs of filmmaking. Don't worry, darling. That's a bit bubby-ish. I think the Bs are what make it. We need more B-type films. Yeah. B-movie. More bubby-type movies, yeah.

Yeah. Boxcar, Bertha, Scraesee. Death to Smoochie is a sticky title. Yeah, true? Okay. Well, all right. Speaking of stickiness. Questions.

Let's do some questions. Yeah, let's do some questions. From the sticky suggestion thread over at the Saldonika subreddit, head over there if you want to leave questions for future episodes. Just like I did. I wanted to do something. Oh! I thought I did was a username. No, I should have just like pretended that someone wrote him with this.

No, I wanted to put you guys through the test a minute. Uh-oh. I was looking through this list of UK Slams. right and terms idioms and I wanted to see if you guys knew what they what they are what they mean I think you can handle that sure oh I'm excited editor put in some game show music yeah okay so you got to like contextualize what what the phrase or word means and perhaps put it into a sentence okay what does it mean to be cheesed off oh angry you're like I'm cheesed off right now You got any guesses on him?

I think it means to like rip someone off to like, uh, scam someone. Uh, yeah, Jake was right. It's like being miffed. I'm more British than you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, if something is dodgy. Sorry, dodgy?

That means it's suss. Yeah, I feel like that's... Yeah. Okay, no, I'm just giving you some like easy ones to... Oh, sure. I'm only responding in Gen Z, though. Okay, if someone is minted, what does that mean? Like, they're trustworthy, they're like, they're all right.

Adam? Yeah, like, premium top tier kind of quality guy. Well, yeah, that's a bit closer. It's like they're loaded, they're rich. Oh, he's minted. Yeah, okay. Yeah. If you called someone a mug, what would that mean?

M-EG fucking dumb Chad Chungus They're ugly They're like ugly and stupid Chad or Chungis Had him last last chance Oh what Can't be both

What the fuck You can't be a Chad and a chungus Yeah they Or they both I use Chad as a pejorative Okay Well yeah You're a mug

You're like a fucking mug. Get out my sight. Yeah. Definition of mug is, you're a fucking mug. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. You can't just say, wait, help us understand it. Yeah, you're a mug.

You're a mug right now. What does that mean, though? It is a pejorative, yeah. You don't want to be a mug unless you're a cup and tea. Yeah, but what does it mean? There's tons of things that are pejoratives. He doesn't even know. Like, use a different word.

Like a fool. A fool. Yeah. So it's like an intelligence kind of associated thing. Fucking mug. An insult. Yeah. But you're foolish.

You're gullible. Nothing to do with the look of your face. Because mug would be more associated, I guess, like American slang. You know, like mug would almost mean like face. But you're saying it has nothing to do with that. Um, you kind of, it could be. now I think about it Okay

Yeah Yeah that was a complex one So you're not even sure Yeah now I'm not even sure If you're failing your own test Okay If something is rank Oh yeah

Smelly Gross Yeah That's a proper rank What about if you're full of beans You just full of shit right That means that you've had a delicious breakfast.

Mmm. Fille of beans, this is actually quite a common idea. It means to have lots of energy. Oh, well, of course then, yeah. Yeah. I had a cup of coffee and I feel like I'm full of beans. The bean lobbyists in the UK go hard. Oh my god.

Yeah, no, it goes down into like a very language, you know. Do you like the beans and toast? like Heinz catch it like what are those Of course I do Okay do you know No come on They're not kids who you try it I went to London once

And then I was like I had some beans and I was like This is cool I'm gonna become a bean guy So when I came back to the States I ordered like some beans And I was like Yeah I'm just gonna be like a bean guy

I'm gonna have beans in the morning Yeah it didn't happen I was a little too ambitious Just couldn't get into it Long term. Damn, okay. But I respect, I respect the grind, you know, to make beans be breakfast. I respect that.

The bubby bean grind, yeah. Yeah. I got two more. What does it mean to fath? To fight? Like, argue verbally. It's like, you're jerking off. Faffing around is just like wasting time.

We quit faffing. It's closer to jerking. Right. And I got one more, okay? Let's end on this one. It's brass monkeys outside. It's hot? Jake?

Jerking off? It's jerking off, answer. It means it's cold. Why is it cold? Brass monkeys. It's something to do with, like, door handles being cold. Like, if they're in the shape of, like, an animal. Oh, what?

But. Like a brass. animal door handle, but of course it settled on monkeys. Yeah, but what does that have to do with being, like a brass door handle could be, like they're inherently cold? Because I guess like when you touch the metal, it's really cold. Only if it's cold. I'm saying it would be really hot, but...

If it's hot, then the handle's hot. Yeah, but it's the UK. We used to not really get hot here. No, I'm just saying the temperature of the brass door handle is determined by the temperature outside. So saying brass door handle doesn't say anything. No, I'm saying it used to when we were actually. cold here. It's just more likely it would be cold, you know. The brass monkey's probably

going to be cold. Yeah, but that's because the temperature outside was cold. Yeah. So like most idioms and sayings, it's just nonsense. It comes from nonsense and now we just say it. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm... I love it. Yeah. Was that it? Expanded your lexicons a little bit, yeah. I love learning about your culture and I feel, I feel better. Okay. We're bean-based culture. All right. I'm going to, I'm going to one-up you. I'm gonna want up you, okay? You guys are now, you're under the chopping block as well.

We're moving into the advanced round. Okay. Okay. What is it dart? Is this Canadian slag? This is Canadian slag. I should have said that. Dart.

Is it like someone who's like suave or like on point? It's jerking off. It's a cigarette. Okay. Oh, it's like a brand? No, it's a, it's, no, it's, it's, no, it's, It's not a brand. It's a slang.

Yeah. So like what you call gay people. Yeah, I would have put the UK slang one, but we get demonetosed. What's a toek? Hobbit. It's like, it's like a weed. No, it's a beanie. That's what you would call a beanie.

Are you making this up off on the spot, right? This is real. This is real. No. You're just getting revenge. Every Canadian's going to make fun of you. This is real. Okay.

All right. Let's hear some more. Okay. Duo Tang. Sounds like a soft drink. Is this like the Wu Tang clan? Like their spin-off? It's like a paper folder binder.

So like every kid in school had duo tangs. Hmm. Is it a brand? No. Okay. It's just a type. I mean, what the fuck? I'm American.

I assume everything's just a brand. No, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be doing, I'm not doing brands. I'm not doing brands. A Mickey. It's like a drug. It's like a Mickey. Some kind of like sleeping pill? I don't know.

No, it's not something sexual. My crossing lives of Hickey. No. A Mickey is a. like a 375 milliliter bottle of booze. It could be any booze. So you'd be like, rather than a can, you'd be like a Mickey, right? It's like, it's like a kind of like a unit of,

it's not a unit of measurement in the sense that you'd find it like in the metric system or anything. But it's like a slang that people would, like I'm going to pick up a Mickey of this alcohol or whatever. It's like saying quid, 20 quid, please. Sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To try to one-up you guys, I looked up American slang words, and it's all just like things that everyone says.

Yeah. Because your culture just affects everybody else's. You got the megaphone. I went to this random website, and there is one, though, that I've never heard of that I think is really special. I want to share what do you guys think this slang saying is? Fouchy-ouchy. Oh, that's a vaccine. that's yeah

that's nice I'm immediately like I got the fouchy ouch yeah yeah yeah you got rank and all the other ones are like no cap

Netflix and chill bye Felicia yeah so there you go yeah yeah what's a Chinook oh we're going back to

okay we're doing more oh is that I thought that's what like Isn't that a pejorative to Canadians from like an American or a British person or something? I think it's, I think it's jerking off, no? One of these has to be. It's a, a Chinook is like a warm wind phenomenon that can like quickly melt snow. I think it's like similar to like a, is like an El Nino kind of something like that, like in the States.

A weather event. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's why the Revenant had to like move from Alberta to like somewhere else. They were shooting in Alberta and then I shouldn't have enough snow. No, I remember that coming up during the review now. That's why I knew that word.

Yeah. Yeah, what's a what's a loony? Someone who's a bit cracked. Jake? Just a buppy, right? Before I answer that, what's a toony? Oh, that sounds like a bird. Like Mickey Mouse?

Looney's and tunis are the one and two dollars coins of Canadian currency. Looney? So a quid is a loony. That is loony. A one dollar coin is a loony. That is loony. Yeah.

What's a Frizy? Freezy. Going outside in like Alberta? I don't know. It's jerking on. It's jerking off. It's jerking off. It's uh finally. No, no, no, no. It's like a sugar. It's like a sugar ice fucking stick that I mean, I don't know what they call them in the States if they call them something different. Like a popsicle. No. No, because there's no stick in it. They're literally just like only slush. Like a slushy. Like a, like a flesh with enough integrity. Integrity slush. That it's like a, dick and it's wrapped in plastic and you just tear the plastic off the top and you can

kind of like squeeze it like one of those yogurt tubes. Yeah, but like a frube. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we go those. What's a, what's a Chesterfield? Okay, one more, but I got to get going. Okay, fine. Well, I'll keep, I can go all the fucking day.

All right, fucking Chesterfield, fucking arcade, fucking serviette, okay? The Naino bar Whatever It's all jerking off It's all jerk it off Whatever Everyone in the comments Let us know your favorite Canadian

Phrases Your favorite Canadian And Adam will reply to each And everyone Yeah I'm gonna go out for a rip later Buddy That's nice And then get on my fucking

Chesterfield Sip a Caesar up Okay Okay. Let's get a couple in here then of questions that aren't from me. Derailing everything. Let's do this one from No Key 805. Did you see the Amigos, GDT and Quran, defending Digger and calling people that didn't like it stupid? Also, did you see the official marketing team on Twitter calling American Stupid for not liking Digger? Oh, what?

Well, I'm not on Twitter, but that checks out. I love it all. I was trying to find the specific ad there with. talking about. But I did look at the Warner Bros. Twitter and they're like a bunch of, they've like leaned into how controversial, I guess it is, or the audience reception is for their marketing. But I'm not seeing anything about this, uh, Americans being too stupid to understand it. Do you know this joke? The marketing is so funny ever since it flopped because it's, you can tell they have the big budget marketing of a Tom Cruise vehicle, but now they're like, oh, okay, what?

How do we, how do we, what do we do now? And so there's like an ad where it has like Tom Cruise in the movie as Digger looking at a computer screen, but he's looking at the rotten tomato score. And he's going, whoa. And then it's like make up your mind. And it shows like a negative review. And the thing that's like making fun of Americans, because it'll show like a negative review and it has an American flag next to it. And then it shows a positive review from someone in like the UK. So it's like showing the nationalities.

And it'll be like, here's a European review. Here's a review from Mexico. Here's an American review that's negative. All the positive reviews are not American. That tends to happen. I mean, like, that was also like funny games U.S., right? Or it's like when something's like pointing a finger. I think it's hilarious that they're just like, yeah.

I don't like it when it's directed at me. I like directing things at other people only. Then it's great. But I think it's funny. And I like how, you know, Inuito and Yianabertl and what is it, Quaron. They're, yeah, I mean, it's like they're, it's cool. They're all buddies and they're, I mean, Guillermo del Toro on Twitter is just like retweeting and posting about Digger all day.

Oh, that's great. It's very, very sweet. And he's like, it's going to be a, it's going to be, people are going to talk about it like a masterpiece in 10 years. Just watch. Cool. Here's a question, though. So the comment refers to the marketing calling people. for not liking it.

Have any of us seen this? Is there a link to something? Because my concern is that sometimes, sometimes I see people mischaracterizing things that people say as you're stupid for not liking it. When, you know, I did say idiots in regard to like, you know, people that are climate science denialists, you know, things that are just like empirically fact. Right. But I didn't say that about not liking a movie.

And it's one of those things where it's like, you know, very easily someone could just say, why I mess call people idiots for not liking the movie. People say that about me all the time. I've never, yeah. So I don't know. Have we seen this? The comment seems somewhat charged. The actual video on Twitter is more kind of nudging you in that direction, I think.

No, it's not like calling people stupid. It's just like, hey, like make up your mind. But like, clearly there's like, uh, they're one side of the people who like the movie are right you know but it's like you make up your mind so go ahead um that's what i got i mean what else can warner bros do at this point like it's probably the smartest angle two zeke at this point damn okay um well movie garga seven has a quick one who slash what are the three of you dressing up as for this year's sardonicasse halloween party oh yeah well i just happen well i just have

to already have like a very expensive costume so I'm gonna use that I just all right furry is cheat at Halloween true I've got like two events right next to each other on Halloween day and the day after which are both different costume parties so I'm gonna be crazy frog for one of them that'll chestnut and um sorry what as well yeah what's it you're going crazy for are you gonna be dicks out for a Halloween party? It's not crazy frog without the penis. Excuse me.

I know, I know. Let's just say it's there in spirit. Okay. Okay, you're going to, it's a little prosthetic. Yeah. It's tough to learn all the like flying stuff on an invisible motorbike, but all the rest of it kind of pinned down. What's your second costume?

The dude. Oh, okay. So I kind of wanted to just go out and wear a dressing gown. Yeah. And sandals. I don't think I've made a Halloween costume since I was 16 or 17 years old. And I got fired from HMV because I was at a snowstorm and I showed up late because the Edmonton Public Transit System sucks. And there isn't even a train to the world's largest mall at the time that I worked at.

And then I was like, well, I'm fired. I have some time. And then I made an epic Jack Skellington costume. and I did like paper mache for like a big head. And it looked great. And I sewed together like a fucking like an actual like stripes on a vest and everything. And I'm never going to put that much effort into a Halloween costume again. And like I come out on top, reigning champion and I'm good.

Now I got to first eat it. Damn, okay. That's nice. I'm not going to dress up as anything in all likelihood. But it's my son's first year trick-or-treating. Oh, shit. Oh, nice. That's going to be fun.

Yeah. Yeah. So, hell yeah. Well, he's going to get to walk around and I don't know what he's going to go as. I'm going to have to think of something. We'll think, we'll come up with something. It's probably going to be like a hot dog or something. A hot dog.

Sure. Give him a costume. You can show him the picture like fucking 20 years later and he would find amusing. No, yeah. I mean, last year we dressed him up as we had it. He had a little pumpkin costume, but he couldn't fully, like, walk. So there was no trick-or-treating. He couldn't protest yet.

But now he's like, like, he notices all of the neighbor's decorations. And he's like, skeleton, skeleton, spider. And it's like, when we get up in the morning, he's like, I want to go see the big minion. You know, I got to go see the big man having this sort of thing. It's cute. Dress him up as Bubby. Yeah. Maybe.

People ask about it. Oh, it's from bad boy bubby. I think we should do digger. I think he's going to be a little this year. How do you do that? Just suit and shovel. Hat.

It's easy. Hat, yeah. He's digger. Hey, dad, what was my first Halloween costume ever? Yeah, you were a failed Tom Cruise movie from 2026. A character within a character in a Yeah, so really you were we dressed you up as the actor playing digger. Just dress him up as like an obscure figure like oh yeah, he's dressed up as Alejandro

Gonzales and Yari too, obviously. Well, he's he yeah, he's at an age where it's like, okay, we're going to dress him up, but he's like he doesn't really have an opinion yet. He's not like, I want to be Spider-Man, but next year he will. So it's like, all right. We'll get to decide. Yeah, maybe this is the digger. year this is our one chance because then he's going to want to be normie shit i'm going to dress my child

up as jean d'ilma oh hell yeah oh my god uh well um should do one more here um all right last one let jake get back to his child his life is a real life uh david garratt 2003 has a very normal question for us have you ever put ice in your shoes Is that a Canadian thing? Have you ever put ice in your shoes? I thought that maybe it was a Canadian thing they were getting it. What? Maybe by accident, is there not like a term for that in Canada?

Okay, so I'm looking this up and there's like articles about how to make your shoes wider. You can stretch your shoes with ice. fill freezer bags with water, place your shoes in the freezer, 48 hours, remove the bags of ice, let your shoes sit at room temperature. I've never done that. But I've, you know, I fucking basically lived in the snow for the first 20 years of my life.

That kind of counts. So there was ice in my shoes. I didn't put it there. You've probably had the most ice in your shoes out of the three of us if I had to guess. I guarantee you that. All right, well, it's not a British idiom. It's not a Canadian one. Maybe it's an American one. Yeah, well, in America it would just be yeah, you're putting crystal meth in your shoes. Jake's just like, whatever, right? I love the questions we get. These are such great questions. I think everyone should ask more questions

exactly like this one. It's not the questions, it's the fact that Alex chooses them. Yeah, I know there's real quick. Alex is like, this is the one. There's probably normal questions in there. No, they went. This was a bad one. You chose the most substantive ones.

Post the thread with more than 24 hours, maybe. I mean, you do you. It doesn't matter. It was funny. All right. Well, who's recommending this? Is it mine? Not me.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's you. All right. Blob time. The blob. Wait, really? Yeah, why not? Oh, the 88 one? Do you want us to watch the original, too?

Well, I mean, so here's the thing. I'm going to also watch the 58 one. They're both only 90 minutes. Yeah, I'll watch it. So I'm going to watch both. I've seen one of them. I can't remember which one. Yeah.

I mean, like, both combined is the length of a three-hour. movie so like I don't know are we fine talking about both I'm sure it'll be like two blobs is one hope yeah is that picked a sticky title you we got another bubby-ish esk title the blah this is a sticky type yeah we're continuing the B Street I love this um bubby blob boondock saints uh will be next from me boss baby the blob baby both baby too yeah no I've been curious about these, never seen them. Same.

Director I really like is doing a remake, I think, still. So, David Bruckner. So I got to watch these at some point anyway. It's Halloween. Spooky Month. Figure it's time. Hell yeah.

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