Sardonicast - Sardonicast #23: YouTube Rewind, The Holy Mountain

Episode Date: December 22, 2018

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How are you guys doing? I'm great. How are you? This is Sardonicast. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. I'm Ryan. from YouTube.com slash Ralph and I'm Alex from my hair everything great that was your week it's okay yeah I don't really like December yeah too much to do too little time

yeah lots of gifts to buy lots of money spent yeah I got some of that sweet Sardonicast merch by the way oh you got it it just arrived yeah very very nice quality okay great oh yeah Yeah, if anybody still needs a Christmas gift, it might show up in time. I got it for my family. Yeah, they're going to love it. Oh, actually, my brother listens to this, so I didn't get it. I lied. I didn't get anything for you, don't worry.

Give it to him the day before this episode releases. Yeah, I'll just tell him not to listen to this. Listen to this on December 26th. Yeah, I find it increasingly difficult. to figure out what to get people, you know? Because it's like if there's a really good idea, I've probably already gotten it for them. I never have trouble with that.

I'm really good at getting gifts for people. It's one of my many talents. Very few talents, actually. I just, I know what people want, and I'm usually very generous with the gifts. I don't know. Never have issues with that. Yeah, I'm usually generous.

So you're the Santa Claus of the cast. Yeah. Oh, we're all generous. I just like, I don't know. meet people like 10 minutes in. I'm like, I know what, I could get them for Christmas. Well, I figured it out anyway. I mean, I think I got everybody, everything I need to. Oh, yeah. If there's somebody I forgot, then I feel terrible. I've got so much shit going on. I'm a busy boy. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a busy boy, too.

So we got some movie news that we're going to talk about. More remakes, more rebukes. Really epic news, too. Yeah. Well, I mean, if we want to start, With remakes and reboots, we could talk about the motion poster of Sonic the Hedgehog, which has been making its rounds on Twitter. It looks... It looks incredible. It looks really creepy. Who's playing it again?

I don't know what you're talking about. It looks brilliant. Yeah, I know. It looks pretty awesome, I got to say. And I'm usually not a fan of like reboots and remakes, but I'm really excited for this Sonic the Hedgehog. Yeah, I don't believe either of you are being serious. Yeah. Ben Shrew.

Quartz is Sonic the Headchoke. Oh, Jim Carrey is in it. He plays Dr. Robotnik. Yeah, he's Robotnik. Oh, okay. That should be funny. He hasn't done anything for a while. So is it CG?

Or is it going to be like him in makeup? What? The live action. Really? Jim Carrey? What? Is he going to put on like a fat suit? I swear, that was the news story, right?

The Jim Carrey was going to be live action. Yeah, Jim Carries in it. Huh. It looks really weird. Just the poster alone. It's disturbing. It's like uncanny valianty. You know? It looks like someone's just like photoshopped to the silhouette of Sonic's head over someone just crouching.

Yeah. It's a weird body. It like already, it just feels like this is going to fall into the same vein as Detective Pikachu where it's like, do we really need animation to look more realistic? Like, what's the point of animation then? I know. Photorealistic Sonic. Wow, what a great idea. There's this medium that we can use to express ourselves creatively, and we're stripping away the creativity and substituting it with real life, apparently.

Yeah. It's too expensive, man. Animation is too expensive. It's probably way cheaper for them to just only CG Sonic and everyone else just be people. Well, I'm talking about the animation itself, too. When we're looking at things like the Detective Pikachu and the Lion King, remake. It's like, yeah, it's animated, but you're basically just making them way too realistic that, you know, it might as well not be animated. I mean, I guess... Yeah, take out all the,

yeah, the art direction, the creativity and style. Yeah. It reminds me of that, remember the Roberts and Mechus movies that were like animated, but they were realistic? It reminds me a creepy thing. Like Polarx, yeah, you're like, it's kind of human, but it's not. Bayowulf, you're like, what the fuck? That was all like Mocap, wasn't it? Yeah, but it's like weird, Moke. I know. Some of it's animated. It's disturbing.

Their eyes are soulless. Yeah, Mars needs moms. Those aliens were fucking weird. Yeah, and then the humans look like aliens too. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's all gimmicks. Tenton actually did that well, thinking back on it.

That's like the only thing I think did it well. It was really stylized there, wasn't it, really? Yeah, it was. They exaggerated it a lot. So it had, I don't know, I'm not a big animation. That was a Spielberg one, right? Yeah, Peter Jackson was involved too. Mm-hmm.

I think. He was supposed to make another one. That never happened. He had to make the Hobbits instead. And those turned out great. We're getting a Sonic movie and a Mario movie in the same year. Are we getting a Mario movie? Is there a Mario movie?

You didn't know about this? I didn't know. No. The Indians guys are making a Mario movie. There's so many things happening. There's so many. I can't keep track of all of them. I'm pretty sure it's an animated film.

Illumination are making a Mario Bros. How do you know? I have no, I had no idea about this. Yeah, man. It's going to tell me. Yeah, because Illumination made it obviously, but Jesus Christ. We're in a great era for films.

Yeah, we're fucked. No new ideas. I don't know if it's ever been this bad. I was trying to find interesting stories to talk about on the show. I was just going through various, like, movie news websites. And no joke, every story is just about superhero movies. Yeah. I saw an article about how Charlie Stheron cried about Black Panther

because it was so profound. Like, that's the best news story I found. Yeah, I'm like, Charlie Steron, really? You give that much of a shit about Black Panther? Whatever. Speaking of superhero movies, there's a new Avengers trailer. Yeah.

Did you watch it? That's right. Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah, I saw it. I don't know. It was very teasedy tease. I'm definitely going to watch the movie. I liked the first...

What was it called? Infinity War. Yeah, I like that one. But the trailer for this one, I don't know. I'm sure it doesn't reflect the actual film that much, because you're right, was really kind of teasy, but the trailer was kind of bad. The trailer was kind of just like jerking itself off the whole time.

Yeah, it was an average teaser. I'm sure you'll be fine. I'll probably finish the CG animation. Yeah, they didn't show any Thanos, so they probably didn't finish any of that yet. When's it coming out? I don't know. I don't like the title either. End game, really? Like, that's the best thing you could come up with?

It's not that bad. It's fine. End game. It fits. It's the end game. I thought it was a good trailer compared to the other Marvel trailer that came out. The, uh, the, what's the name? The woman. Oh, Captain Marvel?

Yeah, Captain Marvel. Word said hero and then the O disappeared. It said her. I'm like, wow. This is going to be fucking pandering bullshit, isn't it? Yeah, that one doesn't look great. Yeah, it does not look very good. I have zero opinion on that.

Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Again, I'll give it a chance. I don't hate women. What? I don't hate women. I know. It's crazy.

I just don't think it looks that good. What about Aquaman? You guys hope for that one? Oh, yeah. No, that looks even worse. Apparently, it made like $100 million in China. Like, China and loved it. Yeah, it's out in China, and it's a big blockbuster there.

Yeah. It's got great critic and user reviews. Really? Yeah. I didn't check. Well, in Matta Guitzegu is at the moment. Oh, okay, never mind. Maybe it was just the early ones.

Yeah, because those are all the fans who see it. As soon as the critics were just starting to review it, there was like, oh, this is going to be actually good? And then I didn't really look into it more. Because I'm going to watch it either way. Those were the Aquaman fans, all 10 of them. They went in and they loved it. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm hyper, man. Can't wait. Yeah, it'll be bad, but I think it'll be funny. I don't know. So there is an article that came out. The British Film Institute vows not to fund movies with facial scarred villains anymore

as part of a hashtag campaign, hashtag I am not your villain, so that people with scars on their face don't feel oppressed. Really? Yeah. No, this is real. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So the floodgates are open them, basically. Like, next up, there'll be another campaign for amputee, like, victims or whatever. So then that will never be allowed to be in movies. And soon you won't be allowed to make movies about anyone. Yeah. I mean, it's cliched for sure. It's cliche, but sometimes it fits. Yeah, I mean, the Joker.

Yeah. Joker, right, that's a great one. You know, like, there's tons where it fits. And I can understand the reasoning behind it, but I just, it's such a strange battle to choose. Out of all of the things that you could possibly say, I'm not funding this anymore because it's an unhealthy trope that is, you know, detrimenting society or whatever.

scars on faces is that like a really big deal? It's about it's about offending people Scars can be hot You know

chick's big scars Yeah I knew a girl with scar It was pretty cute It was like right around her nose So I don't I don't get it I really don't If we're looking at villains

Usually I iconic villains are much more loved than the actual superheroes themselves. Like, how many people do you see doing Joker impersonations and cosplay compared to Batman? So, clearly, there isn't that much of a stigma against the characters themselves. Like, I'd be interested to hear some sort of data on whether or not people with facial scars are mistreated in society, specifically because of movies, not just because of people thinking they look weird or something.

Yeah, I think it's, I think it's just silly. How many people tweeted it out? Like, how many people were part of this hashtag? I don't know. Where it convinced, like, how many could it have been? How many people care? It's just not a prolific thing in media, though, really, is it? I know.

There's what, all I can think of is scar from the Lion King, which doesn't even count. Yeah. He's a lion. It's like, it's an animated lion. I guess, um, the villain in Skyfall, that James Bond movie's kind of got like a scar thing going on. Remember that scene? He takes that thing out of his mouth. That's like his face was like blown up or something, right? Yeah, but I think, you're like, I'm stretching to even think of examples.

Yeah. It's just such a weird specific thing. Well, it's like, remember Christoph Waltz's face got messed up. up and he had like a scar on the right side of his head. I don't remember that. It's a silly, yeah, that movie kind of sucks. Like, it's a silly cliche, but like... It's enough that it's a trope for sure.

But... Yeah. But if you're sitting there watching a movie and you have a scar and you're like genuinely get offended that a movie villain has a scar, it's like, dude, in real life, people don't think you're like a super villain because you have a scar on your face. That's crazy. It's just a very strange battle to choose. It's so strange that we're actually like talking about this now.

That people actually go like band together. I guess it's a good thing because we have like no real problems to talk about even though we do. Yeah, I guess. It's just crazy. That's my issue. Like millions of people are addicted to opioids and shit in this country. Like we're talking about fucking scars on faces. Well, this is the British Film Institute.

Yeah, I guess British. Yeah, true. You guys might have a drug problem too. Is there an opioid crisis? crisis in Britain? We have a same drug problem here. I mean, where it doesn't. Right.

But now let's all talk about scars on movie villains. So silly. Hashtag, I am not your villain. I have a scar on my elbow. Does that mean anything? I think we all have a scar somewhere. Yeah, I have a few scars. Yeah.

Scars are cool. Yeah. I think scars are pretty fucking awesome. Like video game characters always have scars. like the epic protagonist always has them and John Marston has a fucking scar dead I love that shit yeah yeah it shows like you have some like history

like you've been through some shit yeah it serves some sort of a narrative purpose and oftentimes villains you know they have some sort of a backstory where they weren't always a villain and then something happened to them or at least you know it shows that they've been in some sort of a

fight or that they're or, you know, it adds something. It's not completely useless. Yeah, it actually builds sympathy somewhat. Like, this person's actually been through something, and that's partly why he's a villain now, because he went through this struggle. I think Tom Hardy's character and the Revenant had that, too, right?

You know, it's a much more common feature of villains than scars on their face? Being male. Why don't we just stop having male villains? Yeah. You know what? Yeah, you're right. I'm offended because all villains and movies are male.

Yeah. We could be choosing that battle. It makes as much sense. It sets like a precedent of like, oh, well, that group over there got angry over their thing and they got what they wanted. This group over here is angry about something else. Why don't we start a thing and we can get that band too? So it's just like this cycle that's embarrassing. It's really not that big of an issue. The audience has such a control over art now. like people can speak up and they actually influence the artist's decisions like like you know if my

villain's going to have a scar or not and i don't know if an audience should have that much control no shouldn't because every film that comes out will just be black panther like i'm challenging completely mediocre and bland in every way like who wants exactly what you want like why do you want to go into a movie and get everything exactly what you want like don't you want someone else to come in with a different vision and show you something you might not have even heard, like, thought of before? I think that's what makes movies interesting. I don't know. Well, I mean, I don't think the average audience member wants to be challenged very much when they experience a film, to be perfectly honest. I think most people want something familiar

and safe. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I think there's a certain level of that, but I think there's also a certain level of seeing something different. And I think that compels people. I still think it does. Because there's a lot of familiar safe movies that come out that do horrible. And then something different comes out. Like, I don't know. Get Out. And Get Out was a huge success. So it's like, I think it's a misjudgment of what people want. I think a small group of people are fucking annoying and they go on about some random shit and everyone treats them serious. Speaking of that, Kevin Hart was announced as the Oscars host and then stepped down after what, 24 hours? It was really quick.

Well, he, what happened? He had some homophobic tweets in the past, right? And he deleted them and people caught on. Homophobic tweets and statements and comedy routines. Like, there wasn't nothing, I'm going to say that. And I disagree that he would step down. I disagree that there was so much pressure put on him. I think he should be able to host the Oscars just fine.

But it wasn't like nothing. Yeah? Yeah. Will he tweet? Well, like, joke tweets, those are fine, whatever. But one that kind of stuck out to me as being kind of like, huh, really? was he he stated that he would never play a gay character because he was

afraid of people thinking that he would be gay and it's just like yeah like I get it it's your personal choice but that's like it you know it kind of it it kind of speaks towards your own insecurities in a way and I think he's been open about that and I think he's admitted that it is his own insecurity and I don't think it's coming from any kind of like, you know, really hateful or, or, um, bigoted place. But it is, it is one of those things where it's like, eh, well, what is, what is acting? What is playing a character anymore? Are you admitting that every character you, you play is essentially just yourself and that you're not really an actor and that you don't play character?

Adam, that's kind of true. I, I never considered Kevin Hart an actual actor. He's like a comedian who fucking plays himself and everything, which is okay. But I mean... I think it speaks more towards his professionalism than anything else. But still, he should be able to host the Oscars. I don't have any issue with that. It's just tweets or like, it's just not a good idea to tweet anything out like that. Because without context or, you know, you can't detect his sarcasm.

You can't detect anything. So you're just like, are you being serious? serious. And then there was the whole shit with James Gunn, too, where he had that whole tweet, some stupid tweet, and he got fired off the Avengers for it, or not Avengers, Guardian to the Galaxy. The James Gunn situation was even worse, in my opinion, because James Gunn didn't step down under pressure. You know, Kevin Hart was told by the Oscars, by the Academy, hey, you should apologize or else you can't do this. And then he was like, okay, well, I'm not apologizing, so I'm just going to not

not do this. He probably saw all this controversy coming because of those tweets, and that's why he deleted them. It's like, these tweets just caused nothing but trouble. In the situation with James Gunn, it's like, that was the furthest

thing from being serious at all. With Kevin Hart, there's like, there's something there where it's like, eh, hmm, you know? Yeah, you're right. You're totally right. But James Gunn, it was literally like the whole point of the tweets that he had was that it's so absurd and so edgy that you're not supposed to take it seriously like the whole point of the joke was that it was edgy humor like ha ha this is offensive

not like like those tweets from five years ago too with james gone oh yeah they were so it's like you take a joke from five years ago humor was very different back then it was like eight years ago yeah eight years i think it was when he was still directing like super humor was so different right And Super kind of has that sense of humor, too. Exactly. Chris Gunn used to make very edgy kind of movies, too. You know, it was in line with what he was doing. Yeah, you need to tell me that Disney didn't do any sort of checks on this guy

before hiring him to direct a $250 million budget movie. There's no way. They just bowed down to the pressure from social media. Yeah, Disney's like that. But I think that you just ignore these people. Like, really? It's like, okay, he tweeted a dumb thing. eight years ago and it was funny back then. It might not be funny now, but it was eight years ago.

And you're going to take it out of context and fire the guy. It's fucked up. Not saying that about Kevin Hart. What Kevin Hart said, obviously, is a little more, like you said on him, it's a little more, eh, do you mean it? Are you actually homophobic? You know, I mean, the way I see it is like, I'm kind of a determinist and let's not go into that territory of debate, but everybody has a reason for being who they are. Everybody has a, a different upbringing. And if somebody, you know, nobody is the perfect version of themselves. And everybody is a work in progress.

And I just feel like to completely outcast somebody and to completely discredit and delegitimize them just because they're, you know, they say one stupid thing or have a stupid opinion on an issue or something like that, I disagree with that. because, you know, that that describes everybody. There's nobody that has a perfect outlook on the world or behaves perfectly. So it's like you could dig up tweets from literally anybody. And the people that I want to see in media and in general are people that are honest about their opinions and actually say what they mean. But right now it's like, okay, well, the only sellable.

marketable people that exist are people that hide their opinions, are people that are essentially just being dishonest for the sake of being marketable and not showing any side of themselves because, you know, somebody's going to get offended by something. Exactly. And all these stars are just very bland as a result. It's like, oh, you got like this perfect guy who has no opinion on anything. I'm going to project my own personality onto this person and believe that they're who I am because they are a blank slate. Yeah. What's interesting about that?

I mean, I don't like Kevin Hart, and I don't like the Oscars, and I could give a fuck. But Kevin Hart worked very hard to get where he was. And to host the Oscars, I imagine, must have been a huge deal for him. Like, wow, I'm going to host the Oscars. It's going to be incredible. And just for all that to go down the tubes, because of, just some stupid shit he said in a tweet of all things it's like it sets a weird precedent it's a very weird time we're living in now like you oh you're just gonna hide all your opinions about

everything otherwise you're literally just not going to get work anymore that's fucked up yeah yeah what do these people want those people we find these old tweets and report them and share them like what is their end goal they just they're just mean and empty people i think and they're just mean and just want to tear down other people. I think that's partly it. Yeah. I think they just get off on it. Yeah.

And that we actually treat them with some legitimacy is even worse. That's the biggest thing. Like it gives way more power to the words when the response from these huge companies is so drastic. Exactly. Like what James, what happened with James Gunn? Like, it just totally goes against everything he stood for. and it's such a like insult to their working relationship. Yeah.

James Gunn fucking is the reason Guardians of the Galaxy worked as well as it does. He's the reason. 100%. Absolutely. And they just, everything he did, all that hard work. And they just like, all right, you're out of here. And we're going to bring someone else in. Your baby, fuck you.

It's our baby. Yeah. We own it. Yeah. It's horrible. That's horrible. I can't imagine what he felt being kicked off. uh that's just just how the uh studio system works look at uh frank daribund you know same thing happened

to him what happened with him sorry it's not yours anymore well he he's the entire reason why the walking dead was oh yeah what it what it is and you know he he brought so much success to the network it's their most successful show i think absolutely and uh he didn't even say anything though he just wanted more money, right? Legitimately, he's like, okay, it's a popular show. I want more money to make it. And they kicked him off, right? Well, I mean, they slashed his budgets.

So, like, he didn't even have as much as the first season. And they requested that he make twice as many episodes for less money. And he was like, well, I can't really do the show this way because of the budget. Like, we're all working for way under our pay grade. here and and they actually sent him notes. AMC literally sent him notes that said things like, can't we just hear the zombies instead of seeing them? Because we'll save money on makeup.

Literally, I'm not even kidding. It's insane that these people making the decisions have zero connection with what makes the show work and all they're looking to do is save some money. And what's sad about it is it works. It's the most popular show on TV. Yeah. Well, that's why.

why it turned into a fucking soap opera with zombies sometimes. Yeah, they're all just in the woods walking around. Straight from season two. The most garbage season. Well, it's probably gotten a lot worse, honestly, but I haven't been keeping up with it. Oh, it has. I check in every once in a while. It's so bad.

It's dreadful. That's just what happens. Because, like, when you work in the studio system, it's not yours. You know, you've signed over your rights. It's, you don't own anything. It's not your project anymore. And that's why a lot of the great films that we, we see are from independent artists, you know, writing and directing their own material. You know, we see films like Anomalisa, where Dino Stamtopoulos literally just gave them money and said, do whatever you want.

didn't have any sort of overseeing restrictions to place on Charlie Kaufman and Duke Johnson and, you know, that... It's an issue, but studios are where the big money is, so... Yeah, if you're working with big franchises, I understand the producers should have some role in it because they're giving

hundreds of millions of dollars, but like, there's a point where you got to trust the artist, and I think the amount of control they have over these things now and the amount of like test screenings and audience interaction it's making all the talented people just fucking leave and they all go to netflix because netflix just gives them 40 million dollars to do whatever and and they're happy or they go to the internet and make stuff they make great original content on the internet where they can just release it themselves to an audience who can watch it you know it's a it's i think it's a good thing that all they're all believing the studio system

because I mean all the studio system wants is fucking Aquaman and bullshit like that woo yeah yeah man speaking of bullshit um

the new YouTube rewind is a thing everyone's favorite one of the most dislike videos on YouTube the new one yeah oh really oh I got to check this oh man it's it's like so much worse

than any of the other ones and they've always been hella cringe but this this one just was was particularly bad is Logan Paul in it no dead body I like that they were a little consistent and didn't didn't put the Paul brothers in this one because that would have been weird anyone who is remotely controversial doesn't show their face exactly you to rewind so even Pudipy it's not in it. Of course PewDiePie is not in it. Of course PewDie Pye's not in it.

I don't think he's ever getting back in. But I mean... No, not no. That's fine. He's doing great. He's the dad of YouTube. If YouTube asked you to be a part of the rewind, would you do it?

No. First of all, they never would, but I'd never do it. Yeah, it depends on what they want. Because, like, I would love to try and sneak something in but you hear stories of all these creators that are asked to go

and they film for like hours and their whole part is just cut so it might just be a complete wasted time yeah yeah I think I think if they asked me to do it I would respond back saying no thanks I'm gay enough

already yeah this one took the Cape for being the most hindering oh yeah nonsense though at least before they were just sort of of references and memes non-stop, you know, with an old dancing, but this one actually grinds itself to a halt to, like, talk down to the audience and be like, look, we're YouTube,

we're super progressive guys. I know. Forget about all the controversial stuff that's constantly happening 24-7 on our platform. We are all about giving a voice to the people, yo. We're hip and cool. Yeah. It's embarrassing. Wolf Smith, who literally is not a YouTuber.

He's not. He's a fucking celebrity. That's hot. And he has a staff of people making videos for him. Oh, my God. Yeah, when I think YouTube, I think Will Smith. Yeah, John Oliver, like, who the fuck? He has an HBO show.

He's not a YouTuber. My God. It's really, I don't disagree with these progressive ideas that they put into the videos, but the way that they do it, it's not genuine. You know? They're not real. This is what's marketable. This is what's trendy. So we're going to do it.

There's nothing genuine. And they don't have actually anything to say. I understand it to a certain point because they had all the bullshit with the advertisers last year where like the advertisers is pulled out because, you know, racists or whatever. There's something like that. Alt-right people. Was it something like that? This has happened a myriad of different times. Yeah.

So they're like, okay, we're going to push the progressive angle so that the advertisers are confident in YouTube. and that it's not all just a bunch of fucking crazy people. You know, so I understand it, but at the same time, it's like, yeah, we all see through it. It's not real. That's my biggest issue with it. It's fucking fake as shit. Like, you don't mean this. And it's not YouTube.

It's not YouTube. It's not what YouTube is or represents, and it's not what people enjoy about it. Yeah. But, uh, Fortnite. So, yeah, Fortnite, Supreme. I saw a good, a good, sort. of summary of um the state of youtube which relates into this someone's just said youtube's trying to be like tv and tv's trying to be like youtube yeah yeah yeah pretty much and that's it looks like

an advert you'd see on a shitty tv network you know like it's fake it's glossy everyone's like a supermodel you don't believe that way they say well there's been much better ones for for tv that Discovery one. Boom diada, boom diada, boom diada. Have you not seen that? The Discovery Channel? Oh man, it's so good.

No, I haven't. I'll check it out. Yeah, it's great. It's like the best one. But they have all these highly produced shows now trying to be like Netflix. And it's like, YouTube is not, that's not what I go to YouTube for.

Yeah. I go to YouTube to see like some shit filmed on a camcorder. That's what I like. It's charming. Every YouTube Rewind especially is just a healthy reminder that what we find to be relevant and popular and noteworthy on this platform is not at all what they consider to be. You know, because quite honestly, like, we're people that watch a lot of stuff that you would see on the front page of Reddit maybe. But that's not really the top YouTube market. it's a bunch of toy channels

a bunch of stuff for kids you know you watch the YouTube rewind and you're like who the fuck are these people but this it's not I don't think that's all the popular stuff I don't think that's all there is because there's a huge audience of people who are grew up with YouTube and they're older now and they watch stuff like us

but there's more kids they have more free time oh yeah there's tons of kids too and I understand they have to market to the kids because it pushes this friendly look how friendly and progressive YouTube is. But there's plenty of other stuff. Okay, but then you got Pootie Pai at the top. He's a fucking, he's a nut job.

Well, he's changed his content drastically, though, but he used to fit into that category. Right? And that's when... The biggest earner... That's when he got to number one. On YouTube last year, it was like a seven-year-old, I'm pretty sure.

Oh, yeah. Which just kind of says it all. It's just a seven-year-old toy channel. It's the most profitable YouTube channel of last year. Yeah, but that's like... Of course they push that up because that's marketable. But it's also the most popular. And it's nice.

Yeah, because they advertise it and push it up. Like, they probably have a deal with this kid. Like, we like you. So we're going to work the stats and the analytics so that you get more views and we'll push you up. No. But then there's tons. It's genuinely more popular. You can't underestimate how many little kids have so much more free time than all of us because they don't have jobs.

and all they're doing is watching YouTube and the population is growing, you know, in globally, I guess. I absolutely agree with you, but there's a huge audience for more mature content as well. Yeah, not nearly as big. It's insignificant. Literally insignificant compared to these other channels. I wouldn't say insignificant. In millions of people watch people like H3H3 and Red Letter Media.

I understand they're not getting tens of millions of views, but they get millions of views. views. YouTube scared of them. It's as simple as that. Yeah, well, YouTube can't push them because then the bullshit adpocalypse thing is going to happen again. I understand it. Oops.

Yeah. We love you, YouTube. I do. I understand. Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes they're fucking stupid, but, you know. It's a good place.

I love hate relationship. Yeah. I have a correction to make last episode. I thought that the Charlie Kaufman project, I'm thinking of ending things, was the same as his other project where he wrote for chaos walking that he's not directing. Apparently there are two different things, and that makes a lot more sense now. So I'm thinking of ending things is a thing that he's making, that he's also directing, and so I'm very excited for that. And I hope it comes out next year. It doesn't have a release date yet.

But that's my correction. This one's the count for. right after we see the Avengers and the next Marvel project Marvel DC Disney Star Wars So Ralph Hi Do I get a free copy of your movie now?

Yeah me No You can pay for it No I'll send you guys a code I want to watch it but I don't want to support you Okay that's fine I'll send you the torrent link Sweet I'll give you guys a free copy.

I don't mind. How's that been going? It's very good. We sold out in an hour, and that was crazy. I was expecting to sell out maybe in a weekend, but we sold out an hour. How many copies is that? It was in the triple digits. It was crazy.

Are you sending them all by hand? Yeah. That's going to take so long. Yep. Oh, we did it already. We sent it all out today. Yeah. Apparently, the lady at the post office didn't fill out forms for the candidate

shipping so they might get their slater but that all got fucked up some lady at the post office was an idiot yeah we did all ourselves and now we ordered hundreds more to come in it's it's been crazy to get these blurays out i didn't think that many people wanted to watch it but yeah congratulations i'm so happy thank you very much you know it's been it's been amazing getting this all out you know that's really cool i'm excited for you guys to watch it yeah i don't know i don't know i don't know if we should talk about it on the show. If you want, we can. Yeah, we could.

I just, I think people would like us to. I think people would. Yeah, I bet people would. But like, like, if you guys say you like it, everyone's going to be like, oh, obviously they're biased. If you don't like it, I'm going to be hurt because I genuinely like you guys. And I like your opinions. So it's like, if you're just fucking like, oh, the movie sucked to me.

Wow. Oh, that's going to hurt my feelings, which I don't think you're going to, you're not going to think it sucks. I doubt that. Yeah. You can expect me to be honest without being an asshole. Yeah. And then like the thing is too, if you're critical of me and I'm like sitting here, like I can't refute anything because if I do, I sound like a pretentious dick and I can't explain the meaning of the movie at all. You know, like I just, I don't see. No, I don't want to explain. I never explain my own movies. I never like doing that, you know. I just, because I like, like what Charlie Kaufman said. Everyone coming up with their own interpretation is more interesting.

that I'm Charlie Kaufman. I know we're close. But, you know, it's, it's, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. By the time this comes out, the movie will be out already. So people have their reviews out. Okay. Yeah, we can include a link in the description. People want to pick it up. Oh, cool. That'd be great. Thank you all. It's been so amazing. Like, I don't even care if people don't like it or not. Like, I'm just so happy it got made and that we all did it. I mean, fuck the amount of work I put into it. Like, we had a whole crew and cast of people working their ass off on this.

And it's, like, amazing that it all got done. I'm just so proud of them. That's the thing about, you know, making something that you're passionate about is you're making it for yourself more than anybody. Yeah, exactly. And we're all really happy with it. And the fact that we made it for $10,000 is even more fucking outstanding. they all took like pay cuts you're a real Shane Carruth oh thanks is that the guy who made um primer and upstream color yeah upstream color he's always like super low budget yeah i commend that

i think you could do some amazing things with very little money especially now the cameras and stuff you can get now really impressive quality on them yeah he filmed uh upstream color on a Sonic Lumix G.H2. I got a GH5 now for my next thing. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I'm filming my music video on it. Oh, great. It's an amazing camera.

Yeah. For a cool things with that. Like reasonably priced digital camera. I feel like that's where films are heading. You can make a movie for so cheap because the quality is so good now. You can just release it on the internet for like 10 bucks. and everyone will go see it and it's your like uncompromised artistic vision and people just watch it you know things like this used to cost fucking millions of dollars and now they don't really

so yeah honestly um when my album's out like i don't if people don't like it it doesn't really matter you know yeah that's how i feel for me and i'm happy with how it's going so far but like before i made i was like i hope people like it but like once it's done. You're like, wow, I fucking did it. And I'm so happy that it's out there. And people will get a kick out of it. If they don't, whatever. Well, yeah. And at the same time, you're not making something to appeal to the widest demographic possible, right? Yeah, exactly. You're not, you're not listening to all the people who don't want scars as on the main villain's face. Yeah. And then the people will have like genuine criticism and I'll take that and I'll make

something even better with it because I'm already working on something else and writing something else in the future. I want Alex to be a voice in Golden Hour. There's a cat that needs a... Yeah, I need like a British voiceover for this cat. So you'd be perfect. I'll find something for you to do Adam too. Great. Nice. I just need somewhat British. If I need a Canadian, I'll like you. Is it Hunt Down the Freeman too? Yeah, it's Huntdown the Freeman, too. How'd you guess? I was very upset. It was not awarded anything at the Game Awards for my game awards. Yeah. The Game Awards were a bunch of bullshit, too.

Everything's bullshit. Red Dead fucking won everything except Game of the Year. It's like, how does that work? Like, best acting, best script, best music, best this, best that, and not the best game. Best games got a war. But what the fuck was that? Why Red Dead win all the other shit then? and then Fortnite won, of course, too. I think the biggest takeaway is that it's a furry takeover. A furry won the best, what was it, game player?

Oh, yeah. Sports player. Yeah, someone. Really? I didn't know this. He brought his fur suit and put on the head when he received the award. But he does that everywhere. Have they clapped?

Most people clapped. I think. Oh, good. Yeah, his name's Sonic Fox, and he's an insane fighting game player. Like, he totally deserves the award. He's one of the best players. And in his competitions, he'll wear the fur suit head as a way of, like, I'm not sure if it's to, like, intimidate the other player, but he's essentially giving himself a

handicap just, you know, visually, and he still wins, and it's pretty hilarious. That's pretty impressive, yeah. But I feel like it would distract the other person too. Oh, yeah. Because they're just not used to that. So maybe that's kind of what it is too. You're like, oh, what am I, who am I playing against? There's also, I'm really happy that the dude who played Arthur Morgan won for Red Day.

Yeah, I was really happy. That guy was a fucking terrific actor. I loved going around the city as him and you could like talk to people in the game. I would always just talk to people and antagonize them. That guy's an amazing actor. And the amount he must have had to record for that game. just hundreds of thousands of hours work. So yeah, I was really glad about that too.

He was fantastic. Vandrance is a fool's game. I loved him. So, uh, we all watched a film that I recommended from last episode. And we're about to spoil the shit out of it. Although, I mean, can you really spoil this movie? Um, you should watch it either way. Yeah, good point.

It's my favorite movie ever made. I guess, yeah, even if you do hear this first, you should still watch it. The Holy Mountain, 1973, directed by Alejandro Hodorowski. What did you guys think? Should I describe it? Should I attempt to describe it? I guess a little. I'd like to hear you how you phrase it.

It is the closest. any film has ever gotten to presenting a religious spiritual experience. It is a film that does not follow the rules of traditional filmmaking in any way, really, or traditional narrative structure. It is a unique, one-of-a-kind, crazy ride that I think is kind of a man. masterpiece, but it's not for everybody, that's for sure. I haven't heard of anybody that's ever been bored by this film, but I've heard of plenty of people that have been angry watching this film,

or just frustrated from the experience because it is so different, I guess. Out there is the word. What did you guys think of the Holy Mountain? It was great. I've fucking loved it. Yeah. I was at first I was thinking, right, I'm a bit worried to watch this because I don't know. I literally have no idea what I'm in store for.

All I'd heard is that it's weird from your descriptions of you, you know? Yeah. But once you figure out what it's doing, it is just such a like mesmerizing experience. And not in a like superficial way. it has a lot going on and I'm sure I missed a ton of stuff that I can't wait to hear Adam explained to me in a second

but I fucking loved every second of it it was not boring at all quite unlike anything I've ever seen It's impossible to get everything out of it This is the second time I saw it And I still don't have everything You can get like the general message Of what it's saying

But like I could tell when he was going into making this Hodorowski is like This is going to be my magnum opus the movie's about like the meaning of life basically like that's the thesis of it like like all these characters just trying to find the meaning of life or immortality i guess that's how they say it yeah and it's it's really like you know it's a daunting task to make a movie like that and to watch it and he fucking pulled it off so brilliantly even if you don't um understand what's going on like i just I admired the spectacle of it.

The amount of sets and extras and exotic animals he got into it. There's all kinds of hippos and crazy birds that I'd never seen before. Camel. It's fucking crazy. The giant like red tower, I don't know

what the fuck that was if they had to build that or if they just found it somewhere. There's so much artistically going on technically. That's just amazing. It's so creative Yeah

It's a film that Even if you're not able to Get any kind of a narrative out of it Or even if you're not able to Interpret that much for it All of the other factors Of actual filmmaking When it comes to the cinematography

The set design, the acting, the soundtrack You know Like the editing The You know the atmospheric sounds, even if they're not a part of the soundtrack, like sound design, I mean.

Like, everything about it is just so top-notch, I feel. It's just a fantastic production. And it's really funny, too. Oh, yeah. That's something people going into it don't expect. It's like, oh, it's going to be this weird art film. But, like, he has, Alandro Jodorovsky

has a good sense of humor. And he doesn't take himself that seriously. So there's, like, lots of really funny, entertaining bits in it. And it's really clever how he makes fun of our culture and, you know, the bullshit like that. Yeah, it's, he, he, he, he's said before something along the lines of, he's not looking to make a film that feels realistic because he's looking to make a film. He's, he's, he's, he's looking to have something that you could only get out of watching a film, not trying to imitate reality.

to a T. And I think that especially when it comes to presenting commentary through metaphor, one of the best ways to do that, one of the most effective ways is to present things in kind of a surrealist, absurdist way. Because you can take something from everyday life and show it in a film, but it's not really going to speak to people in such a way as effectively as showing an exaggerated version of that. So especially, exactly, like, we, we've been conditioned to reality. And, and when, when you show something like, the entire second act is filled with these kinds of things, where, you know, you have the guy that's like, we're going to sell, we're going to sell, we're going to sell people on the idea of a shelter. They don't need a home. They don't need a family.

We're going to condition them to want this. And it's like you can immediately understand what he's saying about society, what he's saying about business and greed. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of it, especially in the second act, is, is fairly straightforward and obvious the points that he's trying to get across, like the man who runs the cosmetic company who says, we know that people want to be loved not for what they are, but what they appear to be. And so he's literally selling masks, like faces that people can buy to wear and be like, I want to be somebody else. And all these like exaggerated body features that are put onto like their shins and, you know,

their butt and their abs. The men have, like, of artificial muscles and the women have... Yeah, it's a reflection of society that's not told in any kind of literal way to really get through to people and say, this is how absurd it is. Yeah, look how vapid and stupid you are. You're concerned with bullshit like this. You're getting Botox and worrying about your hair and whatever bullshit. Yeah. It's all semantics.

It's all nonsense. Yeah. That second act is just like a total critique of basically every facet of humanity when it goes from character to character. Yeah. It just, it like highlights the absurdity of human existence in a way. Everything we fight for, argue over love, you know. I saw it as the first part is like we're entering this absurdist world, which is like, you know, a mirror of what we do, obviously more absurd. But then he goes up that tower

And we see like the people who control this world and manufacture all these like bullshit Experiences that that make us like just feed on our primal urges Sex and Violence or whatever and I want to go through the planets because that was my favorite part of the movie Yeah, I think I think that's my favorite part as well It's where it really starts to to get into what it's trying to be But then you think the the um the absurd absurdity of it all makes the metaphors completely timeless. Like, I was amazed by how relevant this film is even today, despite being made in the 70s.

I thought that was really impressive. It's almost as if it's a vision into the future of where things could be if left unchecked. That's exactly how I felt. Yeah, it's just the way we've always been. Like, these few people control everything. and create these bullshit experiences for us to distract us. And then like the second, or I guess the third act of the movie

is them trying to find some deeper meaning because they know that all of that is just bullshit. And then they can't find it either. They're going on this like magical journey like, oh, I'm going to find immortality. I'm going to find meaning in life. And then the movie makes you feel like a fool for even thinking you could find meaning in this fucking movie.

It's amazing. It's perfect satire. It's exactly what good satire is. Mm-hmm. It's brilliant, really. And it's very profound. You know, beyond all the silly, ridiculous, you know, old man with tiger tits shooting milk in a person. The movie actually means something. Yeah, it's a great gif. But, you know, it's not just all nonsense to be artsy or whatever. It's not pretentious. It actually has something to say. Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, like, even we can even relate it to things we were talking about in this very episode, you know, what we were mentioning how the heads of these studios are so detached from the actual work that's going on and they're making all the decisions. There's a direct example of that in the cosmetic company scene where he says, my father is the head of the company. He is deaf, dumb, and blind. And he consults. with his, like, yeah, the dead mom's vagina. If it's moist, yes, if it's dry, no. Mm-hmm.

And that's exactly what it is, you know? Jupiter's like the slimy businessman who's also the head of art manufacturer, and there's all the, they're painting butts on canvases. Like, that was all brilliant. That was literally just Hollywood. I think he was totally making fun of Hollywood there. I mean, it's not even so much that they're painting. painting on to people's butts and that's where the art is coming from.

That's not really the main takeaway from that for me. It's the idea of an art factory alone. The idea that they are mass-producing art. Like, what is art anymore? You know, if it's an assembly line, then what is it? Like, they're pretending to be artful, but it's really just vapid, stupid products. I mean, you can really apply to anything. Same with like beautiful clothing or nice purses.

Like they're still made by people in sweatshops for 10 cents. So it's like how much of art is it really? And there was the other planet with the machine that was telling all the like governmental bodies, you know, what to do. Yeah, predicting future wars so they can indoctrine your children when they're young to become soldiers later. Yeah, that was fucking brilliant. Captain Captain and the Peruvian monster. Yeah. That was Saturn, right?

Whichever. I don't remember the specific thing. Yeah, it was Saturn. I love Mars. They introduced Mars in the beginning is like, oh, it's going to be like this sensual, sexy planet. And then she gets out of that room after she makes love to her two girlfriends. And then she's like, I'm the manufacturer of weapons. This is fucking hilarious.

We're marketing to hate the, Buddhist. And Christians. Right, and it's like all these showy, silly weapons, but like that's what we do too. Like, I'm an American, I fucking love owning big, shiny guns. That's what we do. Yeah. It was totally playing on that. It was hilarious.

Yeah, fucking hilarious. Hilarious, yeah. We are experimenting with a drug that creates delusions of grandeur. Just like, that shot alone is just like, it's so disturbing watching these people stab themselves on the the bayonets and like the the editing in this film is just it it it complements it so well like so many scenes will be at the peak of of um loud audio like the soundtrack is blaring and then just like cut to the next part you know as if as if the story is continuing despite us having moved on it's just it it's i love it so much

Yeah, every element of it was so well done Trying to think what else There's just so much to go through Well, we've been talking a lot about the second act Which is my favorite We could also talk about the first and the third Yeah, especially the opening I guess that's a good place to start

The first act is One that You know, very clearly has some religious symbolism Going on in it and I feel like it kind of, you know, tells the story about how man created Jesus to kind of give a symbol towards their own agendas in a way. And we see him being co-opted by the church. And we see that the image of himself is no longer something that he owns.

and that it's been taken from him and he has to give up that idea of himself because it's being used in ways that no longer apply to him or what he believes. Yeah. And that's conveyed with basically no dialogue too. Oh yeah.

The whole first act, there's like, the only dialogue we get is like, hey, come drink with us, drink it, drink it. And that's about it. Yeah. It's more a critique of like, I don't know, religion, but the institution of religion,

how we take all these spiritual ideas and just kind of mass-produce them to fulfill some need. It was great. There's like that priest character who's in it for a little bit, and he's portrayed as like a drunk fool. He's just lying in bed,

and he seeks no refuge in this fucking showman. That's what he is. He doesn't really give a shit about religion or anything. He's just some fool. I feel like this has one of the most gripping and intriguing openings of all time. Just Hutterowski cutting off the hair of these two girls.

You know, like the soundtrack works so incredibly well. Apparently, they didn't set out a call for actors. They just put out an ad saying, looking for two women who are looking for a spiritual experience. And he just put them in the movie. Really? The guy is like, Hutterowski is like a super spiritual.

person. I wouldn't consider myself to be one, but like a bunch of famous directors, including Nicholas Winding Refen, have gone to him to get tarot card readings. I don't know if you saw, I included a clip of this in, I made like a parody video of the song Roxanne by the police, where I was talking about Nicholas Winding Refen using red lights too much in his films. And I included the clip where Winding Refen's wife got a tarot card reading from Hodorowski and

Hodorowski just straight up said that she should divorce Nicholas That's hilarious So you're saying I should divorce him to be free? Yes It was really funny It's great

Yeah it's What did you see the opening representing? Oh the opening of the that specific opening? Yeah, well, like the opening of this film, where you have these two women, and they're basically stripped of everything, their hair, their jewelry, their clothing,

and then Hodoroski just makes him hug him. What did that mean? I think I got a sense of it. I think that it's all kind of in line with the idea of stripping away identity. Like, that seems to be the most common theme of the film. Even, you know, we see it in the first act, with the identity of the Jesus figure who is apparently also supposed to represent

the fool card, tarot card. But obviously the religious symbolism is there and we see that the identity of who he was is no longer his and it's something that people have taken for themselves. And we see later in the film, obviously in the third act, that same idea comes into play,

stripping away your identity. What does it mean? mean to be you? What does it mean to want to own, to feel, etc? And I think that you know, the opening, the first sequence of the film, having these

women be completely naked and taking their hair away from them is kind of just in line with that kind of central theme. Not necessarily... It actually... That very well. Yeah. Like I took it as the... That's the audience. Like, the filmmaker literally,

it's Hodorowski is God in the movie. And he's stripping them of everything they are and their identity and just saying, okay, we're going to find deeper meaning, not in these silly your clothing and your hair, whatever is bullshit. Let's try to find something deeper beside that. You know, there's a lot of naked people in the movie, too, which further emphasizes that. There's the people at the end, all the planets, all the people who represent the planets, and they all just throw their money into the fire because despite all that material wealth they have,

it means fucking nothing. It didn't give them any greater purpose or understanding of the universe. You know, it's just, it's all bullshit. And so they all go on this like horrific journey. Yeah. To achieve immortality means to strip away everything that makes you yourself in a way. Yeah. The ending is what really stands out to me. It might be one of my favorite endings to affirmable to me. I can't believe how poignant it is. You're just not expecting it at all when it's like, you really played us there, man. That is just such a perfect end to this story. And again, really ahead of its time forward thinking, like everything's breaking the fourth wall now, you know, and movies and whatnot. And they didn't really understand what can make it so powerful. And this is

such a great example of how to use a technique like that to just leave a person speechless. I love that ending so much. It's so brilliant. Yeah. Is this reality? No. Yeah. It is a film. Zoom back camera. Lovely. Yeah, it was great. I, um, I kind of interpret the ending, you know, because he's like, we are images. We must not stay here. And, you know, he, he, he brings across this idea of how they're characters in a film and he says I think the last line of the film is

goodbye to the holy mountain real life awaits us and I think that that's kind of like in some ways trying to communicate to the audience not just like okay the film is over and you know go back to your lives but also

to kind of take the ideas presented in this film and apply them to your lives in a way and, you know, almost as if it's some sort of warning that if people aren't thinking about these kind of things, then, you know, in some years in the future, this is kind of where society is headed. You know, it's exaggerated, but in many ways, as you already said, it's so incredibly relevant and timeless. It's a lot like Brave New World. That's what reminded me of where you have like this futuristic society just, you know, We feed in our primal urges.

We all have sex. We all have drugs all the time. We all just watch entertainment. And you're not going to find meaning in life through any of those things. And like the only character who really finds, I guess, as close to happiness as you can, is like the Jesus-like character who just goes off with the prostitute and the chimp. And like, go, be happy. Find love.

You know, like this need for all these characters to find immortality and find meaning in life It's just, it's futile because maybe there isn't, you know. Yeah. That was very profound. I sort of interpreted the ending in a way where like, not necessarily, what are the words again? Like, your life now begins or whatever. Goodbye to the Holy Mountain. Real Life awaits us. Yeah, I kind of saw it as kind of encapsulates that grass is always greener, you know, wasting your time looking for answers kind of idea.

When I saw it as more of a, you were living your life now. You don't have to waste away trying to find answers for everything. It's okay to not have answers to some things, you know? Like, find value in what genuinely satisfies you and don't. Find your own meaning. Yeah, that's what I took away from it. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's like, it's brilliant. It's really just profound and it's like, yeah, not many movies leave you feeling just that, genuine like, wow, I actually feel like I got something out of that and I learned something. And I'm just going to, you know, it's sat with me after I watched the first two times. It does genuinely feel like a spiritual experience. Like, no joke, it actually does feel like that way. And you sit down, you're like, I'm worrying about all this bullshit, but why? Like, it's all semantics.

Don't worry about it. You'll find, you'll find meaning and purpose in life. It's not a big deal. It's, you know, it's really great. And it can, and it shows what you can become. if you do devote your life to something as trivial as, you know, the things they mock themselves within the movie, you know? Like, look, they have all this wealth and all this power, they're controlling all these people, and what do they have? They're just as empty and meaningless as the people they're fucking controlling.

You're not going to find anything in that. Yeah. Clearly, they haven't found satisfaction in their own lives, and that's not just... That's why they give it all up. Yeah. Because they didn't give them anything. Yeah. Yeah, there's very few films out there that I would actually call profound, and this is definitely one of them.

It's something that I think everybody should see. Even if it's not for everybody, it's something that I really feel like everyone should at least try watching all the way through. Yeah. I'd like to watch it on drugs one day. Yeah. I watched it all the time sober. It made me feel like I was greening out. I'm not going to lie.

Yeah, kind of made me feel like that too. Like, is this real? Am I watching a real fucking movie? Yeah. Especially the beginning, because the beginning, like, you don't have any idea where it's going or what the point of it is. So you're just watching fucking crazy shit. I don't know what the fuck this is, but I'm going to go along with it.

I discovered this movie. When I was living at my parents' place, every once in a while, one of my brother's friends would bring over some, like, crazy weird movie. I guess they were, like, really into art house stuff. and I was in my bed sleeping and the room with the TV was right outside and so I wasn't actually watching it but I heard just the scene where the main character wakes up and all of these these these figures of him those copies that they made plaster whatever whatever they're made out of plaster he wakes up and just starts screaming at the top of his life

lungs and just hearing that alone. I remember laying in bed and I was thinking like I have to see this movie and so the next day it was still it was still there. It was like a DVD rental. So I just popped it in and watched it and I've loved it ever since and like holy crap. I mean like the way that this story is told and through through this like surrealist absurdist kind of approach it really helps bring opportunity for those kinds of scenes where you can literally have somebody screaming at the top of their lungs and it's so powerful and effective, but it doesn't have to make like a specific narrative sense for it to exist in the film. And so you see him literally like from the first scream, his entire like top half of his body is turning red. He's completely just pouring everything out of him in this performance and it's just, it's so insane. Yeah, the performances are great in it. I loved all the people who played the plan. And it takes a lot of courage, too, to get naked and do the crazy shit they do in this. So I commend all the actors for that as well.

Tons of nudity. Tons. But it's none of it's sexual or anything. It's all very, I think it's tasteful. Yeah, it didn't feel exploitative in any way, you know? No. Basically, this film was made after El Topo, which is a film that was fairly popular. because the Beatles really shouted it out.

And so everybody was watching El Topo because the Beatles loved it so much. And George Harrison wanted to play the lead in this film, The Holy Mountain. And he was about to. But he had an issue with the anal washing shot and was like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to have my anus washed on camera and Hodorowski is like, no, but if you can show the world that you don't need an ego to do this and blah, blah, blah. And so, you know, eventually it was just like, okay, well, it's not going to work out. And later, Hodorowski says, yeah, you know,

I probably could have brought a lot more people to watch this film if George Harrison was in it. And we easily could have used a double. So maybe I should have just used a body double for that scene. But it shows how committed he is to his vision. And he's not willing to compromise with that shit at all. Like, no, you're getting your asshole washed or you're not going to be in the movie. I commend that. I really respect that.

I'm kind of glad he's not. It wasn't. Well, yeah, I mean, it would have been distracting. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the main actor of this film did a terrific job anyway. Yeah. He was great.

Yeah. Everybody that appears in this film is just, like you said, it's, it's, it's, very brave from their performances and they are you know aligned with the the film's themes they are stripped away of their identity in in a sense you know they're literally naked exposing themselves they're going on the journey that the characters are going through yeah like these are real actors these are guys who are committed to their craft you hear that kevin heart yeah won't even play a gay guy I think you'd do this shit? Absolutely not.

Jesus. The Holy Mountain with Kevin Hart. He's trying to imagine that. Do you have a note down about how the director nearly had his head chopped off for real? Yeah. And watching the film, it's interesting to think about that because it doesn't look like it didn't look like there was ever any kind of point where that could have happened. but apparently the actor swung a little too hard

and apparently it was a real sword or something like cut off my head it really injured his neck yeah but it looked so fake that's what I don't understand like it was supposed to it was like this ridiculously large sword you're supposed to like laugh your ass off at it

but I didn't know it would actually pose a threat to the... Yeah apparently you nearly died oh my god what was your favorite set oh it's got to be the rainbow Yeah.

It was the orgasm robot. Yeah. Oh my God, that was an excellent one. That was so impressive. I was totally blown away by that scene. Mm-hmm. And then the baby came out of it. Yeah.

That was fucking amazing. But like he goes to the extreme with that. Like at first it's like, oh, it's a robot. But then it all opens up and the fucking come comes out of the brown. Yeah, it's so elaborate. Yeah, it's so elaborate. And just ridiculous. like, oh my God, they really went to the

emth degree with it. My chauffeur is a bad lover. Fridid. Yeah. Yeah, I agree, Ralph. My favorite set is the Rainbow Room. It looks just so fantastic. It's just so mesmerizing. It doesn't look real.

Like, the fact that they did all of this without CGI or any kind of modern technology, and it still looks so bizarre. Like, there's even that shot from the ceiling where the camera rotates and they're like sitting down and like the whole room is spinning. It doesn't look real. Yeah, I was going to ask, do you guys know how they did that shot?

Well, I guess they just built the set and then rotated the camera on top. But like those sets are so well made that you can't see through the seams at all. It's fantastic. Yeah, it would just be a perfectly measured and cut out gigantic circle. And from what I can tell, the outside. So the circle is in one place and then the outside of the set was rotated is what it looks like to me Yeah, and so you have the camera stationary from the top and then the outside of the set is rotating so that oh you think so you don't think they rotated the camera No, I think I believe that they rotated the outside of the set and also because you can when they're when they're walking around the

around the circle and we see the shot kind of at their eye level you can can see a little bit of a shake in the camera, implying that the camera is on the piece that's moving, and the camera was attached to the wall at that point. So that's what it seems like to me. Wow. That's just amazing. Like, you just don't know watching it, and you don't really care, because you're just so mesmerized by it. You're like, oh, I'm totally with this. I just wanted to mention how much I loved Uranus. He was a fucking great, like, it was a great, um, like, Berg. His whole thing was just weird. Yeah, Berg. He was just weird and funny and pathetic. And I loved his wife character on the toilet. That was a great set too.

Not as elaborate, but it's still funny as hell. Well, I mean, I think that it serves a purpose because he's like, as soon as the line comes in, I'm financial advisor to the president. It's like, oh, you have a serious job with real responsibilities. He didn't even finish creating the report. It's like, oh, they need the report right away. Okay, I'm going. And then he just goes up to the president and says, like, we need to eliminate however many millions of citizens in the next five years. It's like, okay, you didn't even finish the report. And you're perfectly comfortable just saying like, okay, all the, like, five million people need to die right now to save the country's economy, right? And it just shows how like, soulless and detached a lot of these people making those kinds of decisions are. You know, whether it's like, sending people off to war. Or, you know, like, people don't give a shit about human life. I mean, it was like the collapse of the economy in the U.S. around, I forgot out when it was, 2008. Like all these Wall Street people and the housing market people, they fucked over everybody.

And they didn't give a shit. They knew what they were doing. They didn't give a fuck. And then all these people paid the price for it. And they didn't. They got bailed out by the government. It's just, yeah. It's literally timeless.

because this stuff just keeps happening over and over. And we seem to never learn our lesson. We just keep doing it. I really love the sequence where Axon's police force beat up the protesters. And it's all done in such an absurdist way where it's like they're ripping out like a watermelon in front of the guy's stomach and like pieces of sausage. And like literally just spraying them with with fake blood and throwing buckets. of blood at them and I love it so much. Because it's like it gets the idea across and it doesn't need to look realistic.

And if it tried to look realistic, it probably would have looked much worse. But it's self-aware and it's like, okay, well, it's not trying to look exactly how this would be. But you get it, you know, it's so powerful. And then all the officers like bow down to him and pray to him after that, like he's a god or something. They have no, like they don't think for themselves. They just blindly follow this guy. Yeah, they got no balls. What did you guys think of the Pantheon bar?

There's all those people that are trying to convince them to stay and get drunk and do drugs and read poetry and all that. Honestly, so much happens in the film and I'm still kind of processing it all. Yeah, that's how I feel. Great scene. Yeah. Yeah, fantastic scene. I love the guy who's like, wait for me, I will traverse the holy mountain. Whoop!

How long until you reach the summit? Oh, no, I can only traverse horizontally. He was my favorite, yeah. Yeah, he's great. I specifically noted him down because I loved it so much. Yeah, he's the best. Yeah, it's one of the craziest movies ever made, And, you know, like you said, like so many different sets.

Like the set design in this film, even if they had only used half the amount of sets, would still be amazing. But there's so many of them. And it's constantly changing. Like, this film is not, it's not just timeless, but it's, it's everywhere. It feels like it has no central place where any of this takes place. It's like it exists everywhere at once. And it's so fast-paced that, like, even if you're not interested, entertained by one thing, it goes to the next thing immediately.

And that was impressive too. You know, not just the scale of it, but just how much, like you said, I don't know, just how many different sets and extras of people he had to get to get this whole fucking thing together. It's magnificent. It's like what movies were made for. Incredibly brilliant. Are we done?

Are we going to go to the rating now? Yeah, I guess so. Apparently the Holy Mountain, just from a Google search, it said it cost seven, 750,000 US. Wow. It was filmed in Mexico, so things were cheaper. Yeah, they pay those people less. And also inflation.

But still, like, that's ridiculous. It's impressive. Are there any stories about the, sorry, the animals? To be briefly mentioned them, but, like, they got some dangerous ass animals in this movie. Yeah. Just walking around with a tiger. Yeah.

Yeah. How do you train them? There were like two animal trainers in the credits. That's what it said. I'm like, you've got two animal trainers for all these fucking different birds and a hippo and an elephant? And it's like, it's crazy. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's...

God bless him. It's a masterpiece, I think, so... It is. I guess that about wraps it up. I mean, if we were talking about, like, individual shots and scenes, we would go on for fucking hours because there's just so much. Oh, yeah. And just the meaning of everything, yeah. We barely touched on, like, the first third of it.

too. There's like a lot of symbolism going on there like the shit with the play with the frogs and how they were all exploding. Like we didn't even touch on that. That was brilliant too. The, uh, or the prostitutes and then the guy comes in with his eye, he takes his eye out of his socket and puts it in the girl's hand. Like, what the fuck was that? The soldiers slow dancing with the common worker. Like, yeah. So much. And like, that's what I love about it is, is like, every image that Hutterowski includes in the film, even if you don't fully understand it, and even if you don't take away some sort of grandiose, deeper meaning from it, you can tell there's something there.

Like, he very clearly is expressing himself in a way where he is putting his blood, sweat, and tears into this project, and he is himself, you know, essentially exposing himself and being naked for this film. He's taking things that are very clearly a part of himself and a part of how he feels and translating them into visual metaphor. And I think that he's one of the best directors at doing exactly that. And there's so many films and directors that try to do that and they try to make something where it's like, oh yeah, this is a metaphor and this is different. You're supposed to like it because it's weird kind of thing. But oftentimes it just feels so fake.

It doesn't feel genuine. It feels really forced and pretentious. Because there's nothing under the surface. Yeah. They have nothing to say. And like even the fact he's literally playing God in the movie. And that could be really pretentious. I think like Am Night Shyamalan in Lady, what's that movie,

Lady in the Water? Yeah. It's called some bullshit like that where he's like the writer who saves the world or whatever. And like that could easily be the case for this. But it fits thematically that he's God in it or I guess it's called the alchemist, right? He says he's the alchemist. But I think it's clearly supposed to be God. But yeah, even that wasn't pretentious.

It had purpose to it. He is the master that is teaching his disciples or, but he's the master that is teaching everybody in the film how to live your life and, you know, how to strip away your identity and what you should value. He's teaching us. Literally, yeah. That's exactly what he's doing in the film and outside of the film through the film. And then at the end, he says, I don't have any greater meaning. I'm just the director of this movie. And that's like, you know, the most humble thing you can say.

And that's what makes it so profound. That's what makes it not this pretentious art piece, but something like, you know, brilliant, truly brilliant and profound. Somehow it says so much and it's not preachy, you know? Yeah. And it's under two hours. There's movies I see that three hours long that don't convey the shit that he's doing in this. It's fantastic.

All right. Well, I'm very glad that you both enjoyed it and very glad that you were both able to get some deeper meaning out of it and truly experience my favorite movie. Obviously, I'm giving it a 10 out of 10. Is it like a 2 out of 5? It's pretty good.

Okay. Go ahead. Alex. Okay. That's my rating. Fuck off. It's five out of five, yeah, obviously. I mean, we've been sucking this movie's dick for, what, 40, 50 minutes.

Like, obviously, it's perfect. I was, yeah, I was honestly blind away. I wasn't sure what to expect, as I said, but it's art in its truest form. You know, it's honest, unfiltered, funny, scary, creative, colorful, emotional, complicated yet simple confusing yet poignant and almost most importantly incredibly entertaining from beginning to win

so five out of five for me and it's universally relatable too like I feel like anyone anywhere in the world can watch this and relate to it because I think we all struggle with these same things and the fact that he was able to encapsulate that is it shows how talented he is so God bless

keep making movies you probably don't listen to this but yeah good job thanks otterowski yeah thank you and thanks for recommending it I'm glad

I finally go around to seeing it yeah thank you Adam no problem I'm always happy even the first time I saw it I saw it because you told me to because you said it was good so thank you

all right time for some questions question time let's do it Okay, so, hey, you in the audience listening right now, if you want us to answer one of your questions, head over to the Sardonicast Reddit, where Ralph has probably stuck a thread at the very top where we will answer the best and brightest questions from the community. So we'll start this week with one here from D. Gaggagga. These names are the sorts of Christ. In your opinion, what is the most important aspect of a movie? example, the writing, directing, acting, or even something I'm missing.

I think it's all important. That may sound like a bullshit answer, but like, if one of those things is off, the product suffers. I don't think there's anything more or less important. Yeah, it depends on that too, yeah. Because, you know, a film like, I don't know, doubt is essentially just a stage play that's converted into a film, so obviously the most important aspects are going to be writing and performance. You know, there's, it really depends what you're going for.

In a film like Blade Runner 2049, it's going to be like directing cinematography, special effects, and soundtrack. It really depends on what kind of film you're making. There are examples of films where a single element can, can help it kind of ride through something like the man from Earth. It's like, it's completely the writing and nothing else. It's shot like a made for TV movie and has, you know, questionable performances, but the writing's really great. The better you can make each element, obviously, the better the film will be.

But it really depends. And I would say, if anything, the most important aspect would be intent. Yeah. Just having an idea helps as well, because it's so obvious when films are made without, you know, they just exist to be a product. Yeah. We see a lot of that. So we just get a ton of like total garbage scripts that are just shat out of Hollywood, you know? Yeah.

Or to criticize like the more artistic people who make movies. Sometimes they make a movie just for the sake of making a movie. And you're like, okay, so why the fuck did you make that? What was the point of it? And they don't know. That's bullshit too. So I guess you're right. Having intent and purpose and an idea is probably the most important thing.

Yeah. The difference between having something. to say and trying to have something to say. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's what makes movies interesting is like you have your life experience and you have something to tell us, a story to tell us, to teach us a lesson. You know, and it's like, so tell us that. You don't have to fucking, like, search for some meaning because you want to sound profound. You have something inside you to say.

Just say it already, you know? I think that's the most important thing. Raspi Rees has a question here saying are there any examples of films you think would work better as TV shows or vice versa? I have one if you guys want to have a little think. You actually mentioned it early in the show, but instead of the Walking Dead being a infinitely running 78 season long TV show, I would have liked to have seen a trilogy of movies or written and directed by Darry. want um that would have been cool pick for this answer that would be very cool yeah the uh haunting of house hell or whatever it's called definitely should have been a two hour long movie and that was

just so much fucking time was wasted in that show uh didn't need to be 10 hours at all just a lot of blue balling uh Netflix wanted it to be a series so they could make more money and keep it going yeah instead of just being a lot of Netflix shows do that don't they yeah they'd like take movie ideas and like, oh, can you make a 10 episodes? It doesn't, you don't need to. Some things just work better in two hours. I'm having a hard time thinking of one. It's like, if you're in love with the world,

you should make like a TV series out of it, but if it's the actual plot itself that's interesting, you know, make it a movie. The Bust of Scruggs would have been a good TV show. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Could have been a cool mini-series. Nymphomaniac would have worked.

better as a miniseries than a two-part movie, I think. Yeah. Like, I feel character studies work very well in, like, a long form, because you just have more time to explore that character's life, and, you know, you can even go through multiple years and track that. I don't know. I can't think of one. Tunizun says,

What is the best movie that has been recommended for Sardonicast? The only criteria is that you can't have recommended it yourself. Oh, fuck. Fantastic planet is mine. Mine would be the Holy Mountain. Okay. Barry Lyndon. Cool.

Easy. Very nice. Yeah. Gotcha. Ill. Lame milk. Have you ever been to a location that was used in a film? And if so, which location is your favorite?

Gettysburg. that's where they shot the movie or the TV series rather Gettysburg and there's a lot of interesting history there Gettysburg is a fucking cool place to be and the best part is we went on a ghost tour and they were telling us about this fucking dude who was like a soldier or something and how he was haunting whatever and then later we went to the cemetery like me and my dad went

and the second we stepped in there we saw his grave and we were like, holy fuck, is this, is this him trying to contact us from the old grave? Yeah, so, Gettysburg is a cool place. You've been anywhere, Adam? I live in Vancouver. That's a lot of movies. The question said movies or TV shows, right? Or is it just movies?

It said film, but whatever. I mean, we can accept both. I went to the Rivoli when I was in Toronto, which is a, location used in the show Nirvana the band The Show, which if you haven't seen it, please watch it. It's hilarious. At TIF, the theater that I watched the shape of water in is the same theater that was in the movie, which was kind of cool. Oh, really?

Yeah. The Elgin, I think, in Toronto. Yeah, I don't know if I have any other examples. I went to Fort Edmonton Park, and that was in a saddust. assassination of Jesse James and I was an extra in that movie so oh you were I got to look for you no I'm not in it I definitely I definitely didn't make the cut but I was on set so that was cool yeah it's pretty neat I saw I was on the four scump bench too that was pretty cool I went to Disneyland that was in escape of tomorrow escape yeah I feel like it's just a I've been to all

the studios like Sony and Columbia or I guess they're the same thing Warner Brothers and I've been on all those sets I guess that counts I've been to a lot of the places they've shot various the scenes in Harry Potter I live I live near I know it's such a cliche but I live near like a lot cathedrals and I live near a place called Laycock which is very picturesque so they send a lot of film crews there for a bunch of stuff. I wouldn't say I have a favorite. I was actually really disappointed when I went to the cathedral

because it's like literally a two second shot from the film. And it's like, oh, okay, I guess this is where they film that one, whatever. Cool. Going to Disneyland after watching Escape from Tomorrow was actually hilarious. Just having those scenes in mind from the film. It's just like, wow, this is a totally different experience. You see through the seams in it Yeah

Speaking of Harry Potter I Huff 707 Says Since the new Fantastic Beasts came out My question is do you guys like Harry Potter at all What is your opinions on it And have you seen them And what's your favorite Harry Potter movie

The Fantastic Beast movie The first one that's the only one I saw That movie fucking sucked It's so boring But the Harry Potter ones are okay I like the Alfonso Corona one the best, the third one. Yeah, I feel like that's going to be everyone's answer.

That's the third one. Yeah. Half a little prince. Order of Phoenix. What the fuck? The prisoner of Ascoman. Prisoner of Asgavan, that's it. I've definitely seen all the Harry Potter movies,

but I forget them as soon as I watch them. I think I watched them with my cousin because she was really into them. But it's like, they're just so forgettable for me. They're not my kind of thing, honestly. honestly. The only one I remember is the Ophanzo-coran one.

All the other ones. I'm going to say that one's my favorite, even though I don't know. This one with a werewolf and the going through time thing. Don't they all do that? Don't they all have werewolves are going through time?

I thought like Americans and Canadians have loved Harry Potter. Yeah, some of us do. I like how J.K. Rowling is deciding now that all of her characters are gay and whatever. After the fact, Hermione's in a wheelchair.

Yeah, progressive hindsight. Yeah. Oh, no. We all see through it. Here's a juicy one. Damanasia says, What to you makes a movie cheesy and where do you draw the line

between good cheese and bad cheese? Oftentimes I find it cheesy when the soundtrack is trying to convey an emotion that the film itself is not earning, that usually gets pretty cheesy. Otherwise, I would say, just really forced

dialogue and interstellar where she's talking about love. Yes. That's cheesy. Or like literally saying the point of the movie is very cheesy, like in that instance. Or saying the title. Oh, yes, saying the title, that's a big one.

What are we, some kind of suicide squad? Yeah, that's about it. Inception did that pretty well. God. What makes good cheese then? If the movie itself is cheesy. If the whole thing is cheesy, then it's fine. If it's not trying to take itself too seriously.

Yeah, if it's a comedy, or if it's like a parody, like, I'm trying to think Starship Troopers or something, we're like, oh, yeah, they all have cheesy over-patriotic dialogue because that's the point. Intentionally cheese. Right, intentionally cheese. Yeah, I guess it's the intent, isn't it, the filmmaker? And the tone.

Like if it's a fun movie, then cheese can be fine. But if it's a super serious movie, then you probably don't want a lot of cheese in that. It enhances the experience if it's cheesy and there's a cheesy moment with cheesy music. I just said the word cheese about 50 times. Cheesy, cheesy cheese. Cool. It's been fun. I have a movie to recommend.

What? Yeah. Really? It's my turn, right? Yes. Okay. Thanks for letting me know. So I saw the favorite recently, which is a great period piece, and I put me in the mood for a period piece.

So I'm going to recommend Amadeus from 1984 about Amadeus Mozart, directed by Milos Foreman. It's fucking awesome. I've mentioned it before on here. You guys said you haven't seen it, right? Yeah, I don't think so. I haven't know. No, I haven't. Great.

Okay. You guys enjoy. You'll love it. Amadeus. okay perfect cannot wait it's number 80 on the top

250 on what of IMDB who cares then IMDB isn't is it number one black panther well I mean when you're gone

if anything pre-2008 you can usually trust to be something yeah you're right you're right something good on the list anything 2008 and after, no, there's no guarantee.

That's all superhero movies. Yeah, it's when the general public started using IMDB. Normies. Number 50 is Avengers Age of Ultron. Yeah. It's one of the greatest movies ever made. Is Holy Mountain on there? No.

No. Yeah, but it's not for everybody. It's not epic enough. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it doesn't have superheroes in it. Yeah. It's got Jesus. I guess he's kind of a superhero.

Jesus is my superhero. That's right. God's not dead. He's truly alive. I still gotta see the third one. Oh yeah? Yeah. Good luck.

Thanks. I'm really enthused about that. Uh-huh. I can't wait. You should make a film called God is dead. Yeah, one day. We'll see. All right.

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that you have a profound spiritual experience in your life because just watch the movie and you will man yeah just watch the Holy Mountain green out to the Holy Mountain

yeah you can smoke weed watching that movie for sure yeah I think it's made for that next time I watch it I'll try that although watching it sober is enough you get more Yeah. Thank you, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye.