Sardonicast - Sardonicast #24 Spiderverse, Lover, Amadeus

Episode Date: January 3, 2019

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Three, two, one. In a world where film trailers are no longer introduced with that opening statement, three spicy boys from across the world will learn that it's not what's outside the film that counts. It's the Jankham on the inside. Coming December 2018, this is SardanaCast. I miss Don LaFontaine. That's my favorite one. Oh, thank you.

Really? I do it. All right. That was my favorite one. Better than the SpongeBob? Yeah? The SpongeBob is pretty epic. That one was more epic, but I have a fondness for this one.

How was my... I wasn't sure how well I did the impression of the voice I tried. It's pretty solid. It's pretty solid, yeah, yeah. Well, this is Sardana cast, and I'm Adam from your movie sucks. Nice. Oh, you fucking Brit. What do you mean?

It's between me. I'm Ralph from Ralph's a movie maker. YouTube.com slash Ralph the movie maker and off to my left is oh i'm on your left am i i'm Alex yeah I'm just imagining you're on my left you're his left-hand man yeah where's Adam then if you're on my right I'm on your duh why we're in the center why we're out of attention I don't know it's that's maybe we're in a circle actually in the yeah in like the animation we I was in the middle of nomination, right?

Okay. No, I was. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah, you were. I don't fucking remember. All right. Then I changed the seating order. You guys remember Don LaFontaine, though, right?

Yeah. Yeah, that's very, of course. Man. Mm-hmm. It's so different without him. But at the same time, I guess, like, trailers have evolved from that presentation anyway. Yeah. Do you miss those kinds of trailers?

Uh, nostalgically, yeah. but not, I mean, I don't think that they really help that much anyway. I usually feel like if there's a trailer out nowadays that either has, like you never see someone talking to the audience much anymore. But sometimes you'll see titles in between the clips that say pretty much the identical, exact same thing that a voice would anyway. So you'll see like clip, clip, clip, and then like in 2018 there was blah, blah, blah. Or like trying to say something about the character or like, this is Jake.

This is blah, blah, blah. And he's got a problem. Usually any one of those trailers that feels as though they need to do that is probably for a bad movie unless there's something like really complicated that needs to be understood about a science fiction universe in order for you to even understand the trailer. It's really corny. No. It's better than the inception noise though. Yeah. Wow.

I wonder, is that very common anymore? I know that there's a lot of like... Yeah, it still is. They try to mask it a little more now. It's not as obvious, but they still have like these loud, bassy noises, and they think people are like, ooh. I think the most common one right now is the... It's almost kind of like a dub-steppy, kind of like,

boo. Yeah. That's like the new version of it. Everything serious. They do that thing where they time... Um, they edit around like gunshots or something, normally sync to a song, like the beats Oh yeah. So it's like, duh, do, do, do.

Yeah. I think that started with the, uh, well, I mean, the one I think of is the suicide squad trailer because everybody was so excited for that when they were doing it with the Bohemian Rhapsody song. That's right. Yeah. That was a well edited trailer. And the movie still looked like shit to me and I was right.

Yeah. The movie was a poorly edited trailer. Yeah. Yeah. Hang on. Pretty much. Bada boom. Did you make a trailer for a lover?

I did. It's pretty neat. People tell me it's a good trailer. Oh, you totally should. Oh, you didn't watch it. No, you did watch it on VOD. I sent you... The movie.

I sent you a Blu-ray, but I sent you the link on VOD. I didn't receive the Blu-ray yet. Oh, yeah, that's not coming to you for a while. Hopefully before Christmas, but... For the VOD, there's a trailer. Oh, I didn't get it. I guess you... But it's right there.

I saw the trailer somewhere. I don't know what. Did you like you? It was a good trailer. Thank you. Should I have added voiceover or inception noises? Did you want it to be more epic? Yeah, I should have been more epic.

Hire the actor from Cool Cat to voiceover trailers. I forget that guy's name. He's a saint. Derek Savage? No. The guy that plays cool. Cat. Derek Savage

narrating a trailer. Now it's Derek Savage because you can't get that guy anymore. I don't know what's happening in this universe.

It's just I'm, I need to know what's going to happen. Is he going to, is he going to film the entire cool cat versus the wicked witch

with himself? No, I was trying to transition to lover, but if you want to talk about cool cat, we can do that. We can talk about a cool cat again.

Yes, let's talk about lover. Yeah, Ralph made a movie. Ralph the movie maker is a movie maker. How old are you now? I'm 21. So this is a while ago. That seems like a long time.

I got out of high school. Yeah, I got out of high school. Well, I finished it when I was like, I almost turned 20. I finished it. And then, you know, it goes through distribution hell for fucking like a year or two. That stuff sucks. But like, it's finally out. I just did it myself.

I'm like, I've had it with distributors. I've had it with festivals. I'm just going to release it myself. And it turned out pretty well to do that. I think that's a great way to release a movie. But I'm curious what you guys saw out of it, because it seems like most people, well, like the reaction I was expecting was most people would like it,

and some people would think it's boring. And that's about what it got. So I'm pretty happy with it. But what did you think? Alex, you haven't, you didn't see the whole thing, did you? I haven't finished. I've seen 40, 50 minutes before we had to record this. I enjoyed what I saw.

I have some questions I want to ask you about it. Not like mean ones, but... I guess are we, like, are we spoiling any of it, or... We don't need to. You guys pay me if you want to... No, we can... Yeah. So how far did you get, Alex?

Uh... Like winter? Are you in winter now? Yeah, I'm in winter, yeah. Okay. No, I'm in winter. Uh-huh. Did you meet Raymond yet? You just, um...

You just hit the bong from memory. Okay. Oh, that scene. That's a great scene. That's funny. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Like water bong or whatever it's called.

Gravity bong? That was my roommate's, yeah, my roommate's Gravbong. And that's him in the movie, too. I'm like, okay, Jason, you're just going to explain what this is for this take. Oh, that's so funny. He was fucking hilarious. So, he was awesome. You made this when you were 18.

You were not in film school yet? Like what? I wrote it right before I went to film school. And then the second I arrived in the film school, I casted everybody and I got the crew. And we shot it over a year because the movie takes place over a year. And I wanted to like capture that. Like you can see in the movie like I lose weight. Tori changes her nose ring and like Devinder's hair changes.

Devinder plays Kyle. Devinder sing. And yeah, so I wanted to capture that. And then we shot it over a year. And then we edited it and did the music. and everything and when I was 20 I finished it so so are the it basically all the actors in it are people that you like connected with in film school is that yeah okay and like literally everybody that worked on it yeah except ifender sing and Ardett and Chris which were the three

like guys Tori was with you know in the house those are the only three I knew before film school okay but that dude uh who played Raymond, like he had that Boston accent. I'm like, you're totally perfect for this character. I am envisioning. And he's like, hi, I'm Cam. How you doing? I'm like, oh, you're fucking perfect. Yeah, you could tell that it was shot over a year. Just, I mean, there's like real weather in it. I didn't think you got like a snow machine or anything. Oh, no. Fuck that. We can't afford that shit. Yeah, everyone just went out in the cold. It was like the Revenant. That made me have real respect for like who was the guy who did the Revenant.

Leo? He shot that whole movie in the fucking cold. Yeah, Leo and the director I mean. In Yadito? The director was. In Aritu, that's it. Yeah. I have a lot of respect for them shooting in the cold because we shot in the cold for like two days and it was fucking awful. Oh man. It was horrible. Yeah, I feel like that would be one of my strengths as if I was making a movie and decided like, oh yeah, I'm just going to film this in Edmonton or something. Like, Like negative 40 We're doing it You're used to the really cold weather

Suck it up actors I thought I'd be used to it I mean I'm from New York New York's pretty cold But I can't imagine How cold it is up there Oh man Yeah I was born and raised in

Like northern Alberta So I'm very much used to it I did enjoy the film overall With the With the information That this is made For $10,000 with film school connections by an 18 to 20 year old person. And I thought that considering all that, it was good.

But if, oh yeah, no, I mean, it's something you should be proud of. It's something where you've created something and it's under your belt, you know, it's in your library. It's in your resume now. And it's experience, too. There are individual, you know, shots and scenes that I like, too. I thought that the shot of the cat with the window, I thought that that looked really nice. The lighting was well done on that. It was good. But you didn't have any kind of like,

like it was all pretty much like dogma rules lighting, was it? Like, did you have any other lighting? No, I had lots of artificial lighting. Okay. Because in some parts I couldn't really tell. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And we did our job.

That's a nice thing they hear. Yeah, there's lots of artificial lighting. except outside, obviously. Outside, we just went without it. Sometimes we had a diffuser, but that's it. I do feel like the strongest aspects of the film were the editing choices and the soundtrack. I felt like the soundtrack was really well done,

and I felt like a few of the editing choices. I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting, you know? Do you have an example? I just love hearing. Let me look at my... Oh yeah, the editing when you're listening through the door to her phone call. I thought that was kind of cool.

How it was like it kind of helped the audience get into the head of the character or I guess the perspective of the character listening through the door. I like the shot when you're picking up the sunglasses from the cup holder in the car. You can like see the reflection. I feel like glasses are a good way to get some cool shots in movies.

Yeah. A quick story about Eli Sautega, because he did the music. He's an excellent composer. I found him because he was doing, he did like movie soundtracks for movies that already came out. He did like his versions of them. Like he did Nightcrawler. He made his own soundtrack for Nightcrawler. And I found him, he's in Panama.

And I said, I'll give you money because he didn't have. have a music software either to make this stuff. I don't know if I should say he had an illegal copy of the music software, but I don't know if I should say that. Let's just say maybe he did. And I said, okay, well, I'll buy you the software. I'll buy you the software and you just do the soundtrack for me. And that was the deal we made. And he fucking did all the music. And he did an excellent job. We're really good friends now. He's doing music for me for something else also. And yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, super talented Yeah, I enjoyed the soundtrack

It was a it didn't it didn't feel like it was really cheap or anything Like it didn't it didn't feel like grandiose or like it was like a symphony orchestra Obviously, but it felt like it was made by one person But it didn't feel like it was A terrible person that made it Garage band Yeah, or generic cliche Yeah, no violin sounds or any bullshit like that

Fuck that When we got that Shot zooming out of your eye Was part of that Digital or was it just like a really cool lens That went really That was a camcorder Because the only way I could get that effect

Was with like a camcorder zooming out So we had a 4K camcorder Which we used for that shot And we used it also for There's a shot Where It's like a like a god i don't know i don't know how to say without spoiling it there's a scene where it zooms out

of like a tube yeah yeah i know i know what that yeah okay that's what we used it for that also okay cool like it's hard to say without spoiling it but yeah we used it for a few times for like weird shots that would be hard to get with a normal lens i guess my the i think the most effective and well done part of it, from my perspective, was a part that would be kind of a spoiler, I guess. It was over a short period of time and something happened. There was some violence. Yeah, it was towards the end.

I thought that that was well done. I think it. Thank you. But I think overall, the reason why I say considering all factors, like $10,000 you're very young is because still it's it feels like I could watch it not knowing you and and feel like it was a film made for really cheap by a young person with film school connections that were playing in the film like it's still very much felt like like this is a product of somebody in film school yeah totally understand that yeah I mean like

there's something there for sure and I'm really excited to see you develop your skills more I would like to see I would like to see you work with like older actors too because I feel like that's that's one way to kind of help like break that kind of vibe for a film like get some people in their like 40s and 50s yeah I do like a legit casting call get like some crowdfunding and a bigger budget. And I guess the only other, like, big issue I had with it was, like, a lot of the audio wasn't that well done. I feel like it was a little bit difficult to understand what some characters were

saying in certain scenes. And I guess it could either be how it's recorded or edited or perhaps even performed. Like, I can't really pinpoint exactly why they were in certain scenes. Like, some of them you could hear too much of the. room echo some of them it was like the noises the white noise in the car was a bit too loud for to be able to understand the characters properly but like that's all technical stuff and like it comes with the budget too and it's something that you can you know work out the kinks with the more that you do it absolutely I've been saying a lot what do you have to say Alex

I agree with most of what you said I kind of wanted to reel it back a little bit and ask like bare essential questions like what camera did you shoot the film on black magic cinema camera 2.5k we didn't need that 4K shit because it does pretty good yeah it does look

it does look good yeah yeah um yeah what Adam said about the the audio I guess um I feel like audio is a super underrated kind of difficult facet of of filmmaking

incredibly difficult. Yeah, that we take for granted because sounds like in some ways is almost more important than what you're seeing. And it really takes, you know, seeing every type of quality on the spectrum to make you appreciate it.

And then I was, as I was watching, I was thinking about what actually is the process of you know, improving it or changing different ways of recording and it's like all the Foley and everything, it's like a lot of stuff to juggle and manage.

I assume how much did you like edit, did you share any of the load or did you edit or did you edit Oh yeah, I shared a lot of load with my friend Jacob who is also like a sound guy and him and I mostly did the sound. I had another friend of mine do some of the mixing

like very minimal. I had friends like look it over and tell me to lower this and change that. Like, there's tons of sound work on the movie, tons. And, yeah, you can tell. Yeah, you can tell. And even so, it's still not perfect. Like, the amount

of, of ADR and Foley and just sounds of, like, me moving in bed, there's like, there's a scene where I'm, like, drinking root beer and I put the that glass down. It's like 20 takes of us having to pick up a bottle and put it down. And we

had to get different glasses, because this one sounded too empty. We had to put different kinds of liquids in it because this one didn't sound. Like, it's fucking horrible. The sound, it's like, it's so hard to get these, uh, to get the sound done in a movie. Yeah, there's so much you have to balance with that. Right. And especially when the movie's, you know, so long, that's something you don't know going into it. Like, okay, so making a short is hard, but making a feature with like multiple scenes with all these different sounds is really, really difficult. So is this your only feature?

Yeah, and I didn't go in with thinking I wanted to make a feature. I just usually write a script and see what happens. And the original script is like really long. I think it was like 200 pages and I shortened it and I kept shortening it. And I'm like, okay, I want to tell this story. I'm 18. When else am I going to get to tell it, right? So I made it.

And, you know, I used what minimal resources I had to my advantage. And, you know, I see the flaws in it, but like, you know, I'm really proud of it. We're all really proud of it. How much did you have to adjust once you'd written it and then we're trying to make it a reality in terms of like, well, I did want to do this thing, but making it reality, I'm going to have to, you know, maybe change this and that, this detail here or, you know, that kind of thing? actually not a lot because I usually I write with that in mind knowing that it's like there's some shit that's just not going to do so keep the locations to a minimum keep the amount of characters to a minimum there's originally a few more characters in like the first two drafts of it but then I shorten the amount of characters down more and more and more there was a whole subplot with like where she goes to like a trap house or something I cut that out of the original script there's just little things you trim out

but overall once I had the final draft I'm like I could totally manage to make a movie like this and how did the shooting go in terms of like when you got to the editing bay were you like oh no I'm missing like a shot here

that'll be perfect or you know did you have to do any pickups or anything like that? Yeah you have to do a few pickups I'm trying to think of a few there was one scene there's a scene where

a few guys break into my apartment I guess that's not spoiling that much. Like that was something I did later because that the story needed like a, it needed a beat there. It needed like something exciting to happen. So I'm like, okay, let's add that in. And then there's a few shots we had to redo of like me driving in the car. But, you know, nothing, nothing that crazy.

We mostly, I mean, we had to keep track of it and we had to shoot it in order. So there's very little room to do a lot of reshoots. because it's like I'm losing weight as it goes along. Tori's changing her nose ring. I got to keep it pretty consistent. Most like an issue or a problem that came up that you were not expecting during the making of the film. Oh, there's tons.

There's always tons. Usually it's people not being able to show up. Yeah, really. That's the biggest issue with all these things. Because you're not paying, all of us were students, so none of us were getting paid anything. We all did it for the love of it, you know, because we wanted to. And also finding locations is very hard because people often cancel locations on you.

You know, you have a set for this diner and then they're like, oh, fuck you, you can't film here because something else is happening. They're having a party that went on for too long. So you're like, oh, okay, so we got to get everybody and we got to move them to somewhere else and shoot here. And that's just something I'm used to dealing with at this point. And you learn from it. Well, yeah, especially having like no money. It's like you don't really have a lot of persuasion when it comes to that for business. Because a lot of these people are doing it to be nice.

They're like, oh, it's a film school kid. Emerson, like, Emerson's a well-known film school around Boston. So they're like, oh, it's an Emerson kid. He'll film here. We get some publicity for the restaurant. And then like the day of, they're like, no, you can't. So you got to work something else out. Lame.

And then you got to take all the people and you got to delay the shoot by two hours. And yeah, but those things are always going to happen. It's just rough, but you deal with it and then you move on. Yeah, I did feel watching it that I would like to see you tackle some more, like, interesting kind of location scouting for some of the scenes. You know, like that closer to the beginning, it was, you know, kind of just like a residential neighborhood that, you know, felt like it could have just been any, any, any, suburban residential neighborhood. I was like, I guess, you know,

like part of that's kind of like the point of where she is. But at the same time, I was like, I could use some more interesting locations, but I totally understand the limitations that come with having no money. Right? That's exactly it.

That is something that I'd like to see improved and, you know, see more of with whatever project you tackle next. And I feel like asking you, what would you like, to see improved. Like, I mean, you'll probably think like everything, right? Like, you know. I mean, now I know so much more than I did when I was 18. Like, if I made this movie now, I do some things differently. But now I know a lot more talented people. And that's the thing.

When you're making a movie when you're 18, it's hard to trust anybody with like major important parts, like the director of photography. Like I was the director of photography on it. Because who the fuck am I going to get to trust with something that important, with something as important as the look of the movie and to nail that like cold look I wanted and that noirish kind of look, but also digital looking at the same time to kind of reflect the themes of social media and texting, whatever. Now I know people who are talented DPs and talented lighting people. and I would just have them do it now. You know, that's the most important thing

is that you get to know people and you get to trust them enough to give them that kind of clout on a project. Like Tori, who was the actress in it, from the second I saw her headshot, I totally knew that she was going to play, Delilah, say her name's Delilah. Like I trusted her completely with it

because I knew she was talented. And it's hard to find. find people like that. Yep. Especially being so young and having no money. Yeah, and especially not, you know, being in L.A. or something. Yeah, especially not. There's not a lot of talented film people in Boston.

I hate to break it to you, Boston. Yeah. It's hard as hell to find really good people. Because you can find pros in L.A. Like, if you have money, and the thing is now I have the kind of lover did very well financially. So I could. Yeah, that is very good. I could get professionals to do sound and lighting and all that stuff next time, thank God.

Yeah. Which would be great. Yeah. But like when you're 18, the only guys you can get are your friends and people in film school. And a lot of them are very talented, but a lot of them also aren't. And a lot of them will fuck up. I knew people who have made films and they have students do the sound. and then they bring the sound recorder to the hub where they put all the equipment, the EDC.

That's what it's called. And then the EDC deleted all the audio from the sound recorder. So they had to ADR everything. And the movie sucked, even though it was beautifully shot and the acting was amazing. None of the sound was there. So they had to do it all afterward. And it's really fake. Wow.

Yeah, it is lame. But that kind of shit happens when you're making these movies. And so you have to be organized and you have to be on top of everything. And that's why it's hard to trust people with that kind of stuff unless you're a professional. Exactly. It's very difficult. It's part of the reason why I'm such a control freak. I don't trust people to do anything right.

Yeah. I've seen it fuck us so many times, you know. But if you get pros, like you get some fucking sound guy who's been doing it for 20 years, which I knew people like that too. They have all students on the set except the sound guy because the sound guy, you need a fucking good sound guy. Exactly.

100%. Yeah, and when you get somebody who's professional, that's probably the most important thing. That's somebody who you can learn from too. Yeah, exactly. And also a sound guy you have to pay because the thing with a DP is, oh, I'll work for free

because I can put it on my reel and it'll look nice. Sound guy doesn't have any of that shit. He doesn't have a reel. he's just the sound guy. So you pay him a lot of money and he does a good job. That's what you need. Yeah, you were talking about

sound being one of the most important aspects of a film and I completely agree because when it's done very well, you don't notice it. You know, like you notice it when there's something wrong with it. It's just one of those aspects of a film where it's like, okay, you're doing your job perfect

and no one will notice. You know? Yeah, it's one of these. Yeah, sound is very difficult. You have to be really creative with it. And these guys work really hard. They work so hard to get these sounds, these foley sounds out.

They have to be really creative. And then at the end of the day, it's like, oh, okay, you put the cup down and no one gives a shit. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, it's rough. When did you make the decision to, I don't remember from the way old trailers, it being in black and white.

Mm-hmm. Originally a third of the movie was black and white And I changed it based on the season But that was something like A 18 year old pretentious film student would come up with And once I got to like watching the movie like that I'm like this is really distracting It's constantly changing the color correction

And I decided to make it all black and white And it totally fit the movie way more To be all black and white It fit that noirish kind of tone I was going for way more It's also kind of represents those old movies that Howard was watching on the TV, like those romantic, silly movies where everyone has the corny dialogue and whatever.

Like, it fit that way better. So I decided to make the whole thing black and white. Basically, I don't want to say last minute, but a few months before the final cut, I decided that. Yeah, that's a normal thing. People change shit like that all the time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And I noticed you released the drones. Mm-hmm. I love my drone. I love my drone. Is that the same drone that you, like, posted a video on Twitter of? Yeah. It would have been a long time ago now. Mm-hmm.

I got it. Yeah, I got it for Christmas. And I'm like, all right, I got to use this shit and love her. And the drum shots are pretty cool on it. Yeah, the aerial shot where it's kind of following the car. Yeah. Was really cool. Yeah.

Thanks. I may have used it too much, but you know what? It's pretty cool. I probably won't use it. again. If I do, I'll use it sparingly, like maybe one or two shots. Well, it's like on the budget, how are you supposed to get big sweeping, establishing shots if that's what you want, without a drone? You're not going to run a helicopter. Buy a crane!

That shit's hard, a crane. What, you're not best friends with a millionaire? Who are you? The black and white kind of hid the drone shots, too, because the thing with drone shots, It's always really obvious in a movie when it's a drone. Like you're like, oh, they got some fucking drone to get that shot. But I think the black and white kind of made it blend better with the black magic footage. And it kind of gave it a feel that wasn't as like digital feeling. So I think it helps.

How did you find staying in budget? Was that a challenge or were you very organized in that respect? Mm-hmm. Oh, I'm very organized with everything. I wrote down everything before but what you realize very quick is that $10,000 is nothing and you're like okay

the equipment renting equipment renting lenses and then that's like thousands of dollars and then you're like okay food transportation I gotta get hotels for people and then that's like okay 80% of the budget's gone you're like holy fuck

what the so you gotta find way okay I have a friend who lives here, so I got to get this actress into this guy's house so they can stay together, and I got to make sure it's okay with him. And I got to get all kinds of coupons, and I got to call Chipotle and be like, this is a female empowerment movie, so could you give us free food? And that didn't happen on my set. That happened on another set. That sounds hilarious. Yeah, I was on this friend's set, and the director was a, she's a very talented girl, Morgan. Yeah. And the producer's like, this is like a female-driven, female-directed film.

we get some free burritos and then Chipotle's like of course and they gave us like $200 to free burritos. That's hilarious. But that's the kind of hustling. That's the kind of hustling you got to do if you want this shit done. You got to save fucking money because every actor and all the crew, they didn't take any money for me because they wanted all that money to go into the movie. Yeah.

And, you know, it is. It's all there. All the lenses and everything. It's hard as fuck. And now with whatever next project you make you. fully understand exactly what to expect, you know? Mm-hmm. And you'll be more prepared.

You'll have better ideas, you know? Mm-hmm. Exactly. I'll have more people around because this is, I mean, it's proved to a lot of people that I'm capable of doing some cool stuff. I just need more money and time and creative people working with me. And I already have other people that are willing to work with me now. Thank God.

That's great. That's awesome. Yeah. It's like we're going to make something awesome next. Yeah, I'm excited to see what you do. Yeah, thank you. I'm happy you guys enjoyed it. I'm happy a lot of people enjoyed it

because it's been pretty well received overall. I'm very happy with that. Yeah, you made something. Should be proud of it. Yeah, thank you. You made a movie, man. It's crazy. Yeah.

You're Ralph the movie maker. That's right. You're Ralph the lover maker. You know, call me that for nothing. Thank you guys. Yeah, no problem. I guess did we want to, is there anything else we wanted to say about this?

Where can people find Lover if they want to? Oh, well, it'll be on Amazon by the time this is up. And you can also find it at Loverhtomovie.com. It's also on Vimeo. You just look up Lover and it should show right up. Yeah. Enjoy. It's creepy and weird.

and it ain't perfect, but it's pretty interesting. And we're all very proud of it. So check it out. Nice. Got him. Nice. Got him. Goody.

Godi. You're speaking of masterpiece. It's fucking Godi. I was just happy I didn't make anything like that. You made a film better than Gotti. Yeah, that's true. I've known a lot of kids in film school who have way more money than me, and they make a short. And it's like, it's like Goddy level.

Like it's just fucking awful. And I'm like, wow, that's unreal how you had all those resources and you just made shit. I don't want to name names. But like some of these kids get like, they get like Oscar caliber actors to be in their movies. And then you see, yeah, and then you see them, they deliver this fucking awful dialogue that this kid wrote. It's like, oh no. You had all this and you blew it. Oh, whatever.

Thank you, guys. I'll talk with you more about this later, Ralph, too. Cool. Oh, great. Yeah, you'll probably have some more critiques, I bet. Yeah. Which is cool. I'm a nitpicky boy.

It's totally cool. Yeah. Some of it, too, is like, because some people were confused on certain parts, and some of it I understand, but some of it's literally like, if you pay attention more, you'll get it. Like, there's so many things that are either in the background or just, require a second viewing to fully get. But, yeah, I get it.

We all saw the new Spider-Boy into the... Way better than Lover. So much better. I don't know. How are you going to compare every movie? Yeah. Amadeus, so much better than Lover.

Yeah. What did you guys think of the new Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse film? Best Spider-Man movie? absolutely by far oh wow really best sub year movie I've seen in a long time I just released my quickie last night

I don't know if you guys watched it yeah I haven't had a chance to did you give it a six out of ten I did okay I enjoyed it what's wrong with you you have a different opinion all the top comments are like what six out of ten but that's the same rating he gave

Black Panther but it's like I gave Black Panther a five Everybody's mad. Like, I don't think anybody's really mad about, like, the content of what I said in my review, but they're mad that I gave it a six. Yeah. So people are really doing the comparison argument. You gave this a this, but you gave that a this. Yeah. And I mean, I should expect it.

Argument, you're a fucking idiot. Every movie is different, and it should be judged on its own merits. And fuck you if you use that. You're an idiot. Well, I mean, like, yeah, it's, to me, it's closer to a seven than a five, that's for sure. Like, it's either a six or a seven. But I feel like just my own personal experience with it I feel like if I did give it a seven Which you know it's closer to than a five I feel like it would eventually it would become one of those movies where it's like a year later

I'd be like it's probably a six I guess there's there's not that much that's like beckoning me back to Watching it a second time. I feel like I feel like I got what I wanted to out of it well well let's start with the negatives then at that yeah What'd you think was wrong with it? Well, I did really like the animation style in the concept but I found that overall it was just kind of dressing up a kind of plot and sequence of events that was more or less kind of bland I know you guys will probably disagree but I felt like like story wise like if you eliminate the the concept it was just like yeah you know like kind of predictable and yeah I get it like it's supposed to be like a comic book so what more can you really expect from it but I just I wasn't nearly as

invested in the film as, you know, something like the Lego movie or even the first two Sam Ramey Spider-Man's, you know? Literally. You know, we seriously have to go back to those original Spider-Man's and still, and we got to do that. We got to do that. Alex, I rewatch some of the old Spider-Man's just to like, just to get my fill on it. Like, do I kind of remember them?

Not, like, so I watched them and, yeah, there's, they're definitely dated. Yeah. Yeah. And this might be dated in 10 years, but I mean, right now, it's pretty exhilarating. I don't know how this, it's so stylized. I'm not sure how it could ever look bad, you know? No, yeah. That style of animation will not age.

Yeah, exactly. Whereas like, what was the last Spider-Man movie, Tom Holland? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That had some pretty bad CGI. My biggest issue with that movie is how visually bland it was. liked the actual story and acting and everything around it but it was a very bland movie. Yeah, it was really boringly shot for the most part.

Yeah, exactly. Whereas into the Spiderverse, it's so visually interesting the entire time and the techniques they use are so unique, especially considering this is this is Sony, you know? Yeah, that's just right after venom. Right after venom. It's amazing that they greenlit this like, okay, let's get this good script and then put team of animators who were allowed to fully express themselves and try something new

and not been done before. It's crazy. They were creative. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like they did something new with Spider-Man that was actually funny and original and unique in every way and it wasn't fucking boring, dark, bland Mark Webb Spider-Man. And even that Spider-Man video game, like

I still get shit skipping those cutscenes. I mean, it's bland Spider-Man. It's oh, Doc Doc Doc and the lab again. Aunt Mays at a, what is she, a soup kitchen? Like, fucking, okay, I've seen this before, whatever. This was so awesome and totally its own thing. It was unlike anything I'd ever seen before, especially from a Spider-Man movie. It reminded me a lot of Scott Pilgrim, just that energy and the comic book feel it had. I loved it. And it was fucking hilarious on top of everything. Yeah, I thought it was really funny. That was one of my biggest concerns was the humor and the whole,

gimmick of the different Spider-Man from the different Spider-un universes. So I was a bit worried that, like, the anime-looking one and the pig one would feel really weird out of place. But they make it work because they all fit into that central sort of character theme, and they've all got, like, the same backstory, and the whole point of the movie is about, you know, becoming Spider-Man and that it doesn't have to be rooted within one person. So I thought, in that aspect, it all... It was just a really solid script, you know.

I think the Phil Lord is the kind of glue that held. the film together on top of the pretty cherry on top that is the animation and I really really like the the character designs I feel like a lot of CG animated movies

have really either mediocre bland or just straight up bad character designs illumination but they yeah I really liked like the kingpin he was this huge like rectangle pretty much

just a head in the middle Some shots he'd just take up the whole frame Yeah exactly They're really creative with how they use the characters With things like that Yeah and there were spins on classic characters as well That I won't spoil Yeah it was just

It was just really entertaining the whole way through I am I found like the most entertaining aspects of it Myself personally were the action scenes I felt like those were really well done Like the whole the train thing I was like yeah that's funny You know like the unconscious Spider-Man

and won't really spoil too much. But yeah, humor-wise, like, I had some laughs. I had some laughs for sure. I didn't find it to be, like,

hilarious throughout. I did, I was not a fan of Peter Porker, not a fan of the spider pig. I just, the humor did not click with me. Yeah. I was like,

eh, I don't know why. That's the one I would normally be like, I really don't like that. But for some reason, and he's voiced by someone from Big Mouth as well. Yeah.

Which I notoriously really do not like, but I found it really funny. I don't know why. It was like really simple, like, nods of the animation. It was just so like, what the fuck? And that made me laugh. I felt like the entire, you know, shock value of like, ha ha, he doesn't belong here was something that I got from the trailer. And then that was about it.

Like, once I saw the actual movie, I was like, yeah, well, this is still the same thing. Yeah, see, I didn't see any of the trailers. I don't really watch these trailers. I knew he was in. I knew there was like a spider pig. I didn't know noir Spider-Man was in it played by Nicholas Cage and that was a nice surprise. I liked him.

That was hilarious. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah. There was a lot to appreciate about the movie. I don't know if you guys agree with me or not. Like overall, I really enjoyed the soundtrack. There were some good songs, but there were two moments in the film where they, there were some really serious implications.

There were some tragedies. And they do the like, I'm Sad sort of. montage thing and the music choices in those scenes. One of them was like a little Wayne song. I was like, I'm not scared of the dark. And I was like, man, I really want to feel the emotion of the character right now, but like the soundtrack just couldn't decide between like, are we sad right now or are we also trying to be like really cool and have, you know, like a soundtrack with a nice beat,

you know something like pop music for the kids sort of thing i just found that like a little bit conflicting and i wasn't really able to properly experience the emotions that i wanted to at those moments i don't know if you guys agree with me you took the words right out of my mouth those were my only two complaints with the movie were those two moments where they used that music and i'm like this totally doesn't fit and it took you out of the moment if those two moments were in the movie i think it'd be a fucking perfect movie honestly i really don't have any other complaints with it especially for what it is but yeah, I totally agree with you.

Okay, cool. All right. Yeah, no, I felt the same thing. First thing I said when I walked out to my friend. Anything I didn't like was the music choices sometimes. The whole time I was thinking 10 out of 10, 10 out of 10, and then there was that one moment, I'm like, ah, no, no, don't blow it. And then the movie got back on track.

And then it almost killed it at another moment. Yeah, and I guess someone's overall experience is going to be dictated just by how much each of those individual aspects are weighted. Because I do feel like, you know, even though it's like, yeah, it's just a song choice. And yeah, it happens twice. And it's not the whole movie. The overall tone winds up shifting for my experience in a way where it's like, ah, you know, like cheesy. Like, yeah, uncomfortable.

Like, I was kind of cringing at those moments, you know. Yeah. But, I mean, the characters themselves, what they did with Miles Morales, I thought he was excellent. I love what they did with Peter Parker, how he comes back, and he's like this 40-year-old schlubby guy who's had like a rough life and, you know, his life is kind of falling apart. Like, they took all these Spider-Man elements and instead of just doing nothing with them and being unoriginal and just pandering to nostalgia, they actually took them in new directions and did something genuinely creative with it. Yeah. You know, I commend them for that. not annoy like Spider-Man fans who are looking for a certain type of character and a certain

type of story. It still fits within what Spider-Man represents while offering something fresh. Yeah, absolutely. That's what they got right. Is that no matter what they were doing, no matter what crazy bullshit they were doing, they had an understanding of the character of Spider-Man and that, you know, the great power with great responsibility, all that bullshit. They totally understood what made him tick. They captured that like he gets beaten, down by everyone and everything in his life, but at the end of the day, he stands up and he, he just powers through it. They totally captured that well, too. In a way that wasn't, like, literally taken from a comic book, like, Homecoming was, where he gets crumbled, like,

crushed by debris. Yeah. And he has to, like, get up. Like, all right. Yeah. I thought the humor helped sort of solidify that kind of tone as well, because it was able to poke fun at Spider-Man over the years like do you remember in what was it the lego batman movies kind of like a love letter to the character in a lot of ways um i think this films a lot better than like a batman movie but it reminded me in in that kind of way where they were able to poke fun and homage like classic spider-man um stories and characters but yeah offer a fresh thing with that lego batman movie though is like if you don't if you don't know batman that well i don't think there's much to get out of it aside from like just spectacle.

And I think even in this movie, if you don't know anything about Spider-Man, you'd still really enjoy it, I feel. Yeah. Yeah. I think the writing for the humor is a lot better in Spider-verse than in Lego Batman. It didn't rely on references as much.

Like they were there, but it was very brief. And when it did reference, it was usually internally within the sort of Spider-Man universe as well. Yeah. They broke the four. fourth wall once and I thought it was genuinely kind of funny which is normally one of my pet peeves um with a lot of like modern comedy writing it's kind of like a crutch a lot of people are falling into now where it's just break the fourth wall you know debball style they're all doing it now right so I was

very glad then it wasn't like fucking deadball mm-hmm I agree with you yeah I enjoyed it overall it's I just, you know, the, the moments in the film where it was attempting a more serious tone of which there are a few of those, I, those, those were the parts that kind of, you know, just had me kind of not really interested. I felt like the stylization obviously helped a lot, made it really upbeat, really fun to watch. But I feel like there was a period in time where maybe I just, I don't know, lost a bit of interest, but it, it almost felt like, the stylization just wasn't as present in kind of like the transition between second and third act where things were supposed to be like really serious and they you know just kind of didn't didn't really focus on the stylization as much I don't know if you guys felt that like that because then I would be distracting like the stylization is great to get you into the story and everything in that first act but once it starts getting to the more serious stuff it didn't really need that I feel yeah And plus, I love that the movie actually, I mean, it's an animated movie, and it's clearly for kids, but the movie actually had stakes.

It had fucking guns and death and like, you know, characters die. And you're like, oh, maybe they'll come back because, you know, there's multiverses and whatever. And then, no, they don't. They're just dead. Fucking deal with it. And that was cool, too. I felt, I don't want to spoil anything, but I felt like the death that on the rooftop was a little cheesy for me. I wasn't really able to take that

seriously the guy like warped out of his car in two seconds and was like right there was like the animation logic

made me forgive it like it's all very exaggerated if it was like a live action movie then I'd be like how the fuck did that happen but yeah I guess so

I mean how would how would that character even fit in that car if you were thinking about yeah I get that but when when the tone shifts into

like you're taking it seriously now and it's no longer for the moment or for however long they decide it's like oh this is not any this is no longer a kind of like ironic kind of fun quirky stylized thing

then in those moments where it is saying hey you need to take this seriously then it is kind of more of an issue for me okay I could see that I just appreciated how everything fed into every character's like journey and arc there wasn't a lot of wasted

space. Like, I just saw Aquaman the other day. Nice. There are whole scenes you can just rip out of that film and it wouldn't make a lick a goddamn difference. Was it good? Yeah. It's pretty entertaining though if you've got like two and a half hours to fucking spare.

It's long. Oh, is it? But yeah. Super long. I couldn't believe how long that film was. Holy shit. Because it comes out when I'm like away visiting my family for Christmas and I'm going to have to convince them to watch it or something. The UK gets no films except superhero films really early. Jesus Christ.

I can't watch that trailer. That trailer gave me a headache after a minute. I can't imagine sitting there for fucking two and a half hours. Plus all the trailers and shit. Oh, man. So you're in there for three hours watching Aquaman. Oh my God. That sounds horrific.

I have some opinions on it that I know. will piss people off. Great. Yeah. Well, I guess I'll save it for another time. I'll have seen it by the next episode anyway. We can talk about it now. I don't know.

I'll try to see it. I'll see if I could sit through it. Maybe there's like a torrent of it somewhere. I wouldn't say it's boring, it's the thing. Oh, okay. I was never bored. I was crying when I left the like crying with laughter.

Because I was the only one that was finding it funny. Nice. I was leaving. I just heard someone behind me. go, that was really cool. That was really nice. I like that. And I just couldn't hold it.

And I can tears and streaming demo phase and I just had to run back to my car. Oh my God. So I guess Spider-Man. Well, yeah, I was, I mean, we can move along if we want.

Is there anything else you guys wanted to say about Spider-Boy? No, not really. You should all go see it. I'm biased. I'm a Spider-Man. I've always been a fan of Spider-Man. That's why I'm like giving it

perfect score. I think if you're a fan of Spider-Man. I've always been a fan of Spider-Man, too. Well, then why didn't you give it a 10 out of 10? You fucking, you gave Black Panther a 6 out of 10. What about you act? Best Spider-Man film. Best Spider-Man film. Spider-Man fans will love it.

Fans of animation will love it. Fans of superhero movies will love it. Fans of Venom will love it. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think anyone would love it Honestly And yeah, I just want to shout out the animators

Like what's the last project They would have worked on, the emoji movie probably And they got absolutely slam for that And now they get this This critically acclaimed darling of a movie And I'm sure they're very happy about that Nice Congratulations to them

Don't watch this movie if you have epilepsy Yeah, I'd say that Or Aquaman Yeah I was wondering that during the Spider-Man movie because they usually put warnings if a movie has lots of quick cutting and crazy shit like this movie was doing. I was wondering if people are going to start suing. It wasn't nearly as bad as that Incredibles 2 scene though. Like that was a real epilepsy trigger

right there. Yeah but that's one scene like this whole fucking movie from the get-go is like it's very colorful and fast pace but it's not I don't it's not like a strobe light flashing super fast or anything. Yeah. Which was literally Incredibles too for five minutes. Yeah. Yeah, what would you rate it, Alex?

I gave it a four, but I really want to see it again, which is rare for these big blockbuster of Superhero movies. I don't normally want to rush back and see them, but I can't wait to see it again. I want to see it in the theater again. The sound was excellent, too, just to add.

I loved all these techno, like, dub-steppy noises that actually fit the movie, and I had like this crazy It sounded like the crank score or something It's like all these rock fucking Like just weird sounds going on in the background that I loved Really well done Yeah

It was good I would recommend it Six out of ten Get mad Six out of ten is a good score It is good It's literally a good movie Yeah it is I don't know what people expect

You said it's a good movie Six out of ten is a good score Yeah Who knows maybe I'll give it a seven later But I don't think I will I think it will stay at a six. I guess we're going to go into the movie recommendation. Would you like to introduce it, right?

Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. We're going to talk about, oh, God, let me pull it up here. The movie is Amadeus from 1984. It's directed by Milos Foreman. It's about the young composer Amadeus Mozart, as told by his friend. Antonio Salieri, Maron. And it's just about their life and how Antonio is jealous of Mozart and how Mozart's a child

prodigy, but he's also an alcoholic and a fucking, he has his own problems going on. It's three hours long. It's epic. And it's a great, great movie. What did you guys think of Amadeus? I greatly enjoyed it. I do have a couple of issues with it, which I'm sure we'll get into in a second. Adam.

Yeah, I really enjoyed it also. I thought that it was a very interesting, very engaging story. And especially for the fact that, you know, it wasn't like a big spectacle of things blowing up and constant like betrayal and blah, blah, blah. But there were a lot of interesting things happening. And for a three hour long movie, it's like I didn't really feel the runtime at all.

It was all really interesting and engaging and really great characters and performance. And yeah, There's a lot of technical things to appreciate it. Apparently, this film has been viewed by a bunch of music professors that claim that there's not a single note that is being misplayed for the film, meaning what the character is playing on the harpsichord or piano or violin or anything is all completely accurate for what you. you're hearing, which I found to be super cool. And I noticed that it was like incredibly accurate watching myself, but hearing that like scholars and professors have said that it's literally perfect. It's like, wow, I can't think of any other movie that that does that. Yeah. It's really

impressive. Yeah, the attention to detail is in every facet of the film from down to the costumes, the sets, the Mison Scene. It's very true to what it's trying to portray, you know, with The makeup as well is very good. Every technical element and every visual element is very, very solid. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I read that some of the operas that were performed were actually on location where they were originally performed, which I find to be super cool.

Yeah, apparently they built very few sets for the film, and most of it was like just finding real locations. and a lot of them were things that they could actually use. I really appreciated how they're getting really technical with the music and conversation when they're in the dictation scene where they're writing it down. They're using a lot of terminology that could potentially alienate audience members

that don't really understand music, but it doesn't really do it a disservice. You don't have to understand exactly what they mean. really sell it. You can tell the passion. There's something Aaron Sorkin said once, like, when you have a character who's an expert and what they're talking about, just have him say a bunch of shit that the audience won't understand and the audience will just go, oh, so he clearly knows what he's talking about. And that's kind of what this movie does.

Yeah, because especially me not being a music guy, you're totally like, oh, these guys, they know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, you can't dumb it down because they wouldn't. Legends, wasn't it? It work. Like two composers talking to each other trying to dictate a piece of music. they're not going to be like, oh, they're not going to pull a casino royale and explain how the card game works to the audience.

Or like a Chris Nolan and explain a quantum physics or black holes to another scientist. They're not all of a sudden just going to be like, oh yeah, pianissimo means very soft. Yeah, they don't dumb it down at all. And that's not really even what the movie's about. I mean, obviously it's about music, but it's about the characters and their struggle and jealousy. I loved the performance by the guy who played Amadeus Mozart. I'm trying to remember his name.

Tom Holcci. Yeah, he had an amazing laugh. But apparently Mozart had a laugh like that. He was like this fucking juvenile. Like, if you just met him, you'd think, wow, this guy's like the biggest idiot. Which I introduced very early on. And then he just can shit out these amazing symphonies. This is a scene where Antonio gives him his sheet music. And then Mozart plays. He's like, you know what, I can make this even better. And he just comes up with this much better version that everyone listens to. I looked up some Mozart songs. He has songs like, uh, lick me, um, arsh, which translates to lick my ass. And I'm trying to find a few other ones. Yeah, so he would just always come up with these symphonies. Yeah, this one's stick your ass to your mouth. It's just all these ridiculous symphonies he'd come up with that were juvenile. And he was a very just immature, bastard, but he was a really talented guy, and that's what made him so fascinating, because you have

this other character who's very mannered and respectful, and he's been studying music for years, and he's really passionate about it, and he's just not good. He's just not as good as Amadeus, and he never will be, and that fucking makes him furious, and I love that dynamic. It was so interesting. Yeah, I liked so much that the movie didn't have Mozart as the sort of central, anchored character, you know, and it was more from Salieri's perspective. And that dynamic is the most interesting part of the movie. Yeah.

And the way they sort of have what the other one wants or should have, you know, where one of them has the hubris and is over the top and eccentric, and the other one is reserved, but doesn't have the talent. And he's sort of fueled by jealousy and he's really manipulative and quiet. I thought that was my favorite thing about the film for sure. I love that. You follow him. Like, Antonio is so much more grounded than Mozart is.

And, like, having Mozart be the main character, it might have worked. But it's also, he's so larger than life that I don't know if an audience would have identified with him as much as Antonio. Yeah. So I think it was a great decision. And it's a decision I've never really seen done in any other movie. Usually you make a biopic about a guy. You make it about the dude. Yeah.

Yeah, I found it to be a much more interesting. perspective to show. It really, it really helped the movie work and flow together well. I really enjoyed his constant blaming of God, you know, like that there's no cosmic justice in the world where he feels as though he deserves all of the respect and recognition and, and fame and cultural importance as Mozart and that he doesn't deserve it, that he's more or less just like born with this magical talent and ability. And he's, you know, the main character has been struggling his whole life, trying as hard as he can to achieve that but can't. And so he's just fed, he's filled with all of this rage against the universe or God because of this.

And I found that really interesting. Yeah. I mean, you never got the sense that he was lazy or he didn't deserve it because he did work very hard. And I related to him a lot. but he just didn't have it. He didn't have it like Mozart did, this fucking idiot who comes in. And he's like, this fucking guy, he's brilliant. How is this fucking guy better than me?

So how much creative liberties do you think the film took story-wise? It's my question. Yeah. I don't even think Antonio is a real person. I don't even think it's a real character. What? I think they just made them up. I think so.

It could be We should have looked this up before Yeah maybe I'll look it up now But I remember reading somewhere like two years ago I didn't do a lot of research I've just seen the movie many times But I don't think he's a real guy Or if he is a real guy it's very loosely based on him

It's based on a play isn't it Like someone's written a stage play I don't know I'm pretty sure it's based on a stage play Yeah Antonio Celieri is a real composer. My friend was saying that apparently he was like

good friends with Mozart and that there wasn't really this sort of constant hatred and animosity towards him and that people shouldn't really take it as documentary. I didn't do the research for myself though, so.

No, I didn't do any research either. Apparently you're right, Alex. There was Alexander Pushkin wrote a play about it. Mozart and Salieri, 1831. Yeah. So maybe. I saw it more as like a drama first before being like a biopic.

Because it seemed to me how every character and all the themes were relaying back into the central idea of, you know, religion and not being able to accept when you've sort of been beat in terms of what you're capable of. Because that's the only reason this main character is drawn to doing what he does, because he's just obsessed with someone who's better than him as something. And he just can't accept the fact that there is someone else out there who is better than him, which is something that people just have to get over in everyday life, you know. Yeah. There's always, they're always going to be people better than you. And if you constantly obsess over people that are succeeding over you in something that you're passionate about,

you're never going to get anywhere and you're going to have a, miserable life like this main character ends up having he he goes to his grave presumably you see him as an old decrepit man still obsessing over this one guy yeah he's left a history whereas he is he's nothing and also Mozart has his own issues too he has a fucked up life so it's like you're you're inspiring to be this other person and this other person has an awful life too yeah like it won't bring you any happiness, even if you had all the talent. I mean, there's even points to where he takes Mozart's music. And it's like, okay, well, that didn't bring you anything either. Yeah. It's that grass is always greener idea. It's like you think that's what you want until you

actually have it in your hands. You just never be happy if you'd never accept the fact. Yeah. You just need to be happy with yourself and your own talent. What I really love about how his character is presented is that you'd often see a character, where it's like they're jealous of of this guy and they feel like they deserve it. And, you know, a lot of the times it would present itself in a really black and white kind of way. But I really enjoy that it's incredibly apparent and very well communicated that he loves and appreciates Mozart's compositions. And he's, I love the dialogue where he's essentially explaining to the audience giving more perspective on each. of the opera pieces that he's watching being performed and saying how like this one is the

darkest one after his father died and this is the emotional toll that was placed on Mozart and this is how it shows through his work. I really loved that this character was aware of that and understood and appreciated all of that. Like the guy clearly adored his compositions and that's part of where his rage came from. Yeah, he loved him as an artist but didn't like him as a person. Yeah. No, it is what makes the film work. I think that perspective is much more relatable than a Mozart, who is almost like a natural-born prodigy genius.

It's way more relatable to relate to the person who's jealous of it, you know, who's a more grounded, regular person who's just done everything right by his own mind. And it's just facing this internal conflict that you just can't get over. it's it's easy to imagine like the the oscar bait boring biopic version of this or like oh you start with him being young and yeah he had a rough childhood because he was always playing piano but man people really respected him when he grew up and then all he falls apart at the end it's like oh this movie that movie would be so fucking boring and we've seen it a million times and again the way they

chose to tell this was so much more dramatic and interesting Alex you said it's not even like a biopic and it's a shame that like biopic is associated with just that kind of boring yeah like darkest hour paint by numbers like that's like paint by numbers like oh if you tell me the name of the guy it's about I could pretty much tell you the whole fucking movie and this movie is so not like that I felt like there was a lot of character to characters that weren't even really fleshed out or developed like one of my favorite one of my favorite characters to watch was like the fat guy who had all these really weird facial expressions and like you'd always cut to him and he'd have the perfect reaction to something. It's like who is this man? I really loved

how they presented the aspect of dealing with censorship, trying to get these performances or these operas produced and created, but they were dealing with censorship. But they were dealing with with this like oh yeah well what will what will the government think about this or like we shouldn't have ballet or we shouldn't have anything with any kind of tones that would cause conflict between the rich and the poor even though they they haven't even read it they don't even know what's really in it but they're so quick to to try and censor and control what he's creating and it's just like i love that that aspect is is in there too yeah that That's universal and timeless.

Apparently people have always been dealing with that. Artists have always just been struggling with people who don't understand their art at all and are trying to control it. The whole part where they silence the ballet, so all the dancers are just dancing and silence. And the king's like, what the fuck's going on? That was great. It's quite self-aware, too, because I was reading about the film, and obviously no big production companies wanted to fund it. So they had to be creative in terms of where and how they got their money. It's a pretty modest budget, I suppose, $18 million.

Wow. $18 million, yeah. That's impressive considering just the scale of it. Again, it's not like a big blockbuster. But just what we were saying earlier, the fact that they got real locations and real opera halls. And the sets are huge. And the castles feel lived in and ginormous. And all of that just adds so much authenticity to everything.

Great costume design, great props and all that. Great use of Mozart's music, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would be playing music, and then they'd cut to, like, a little montage scene of them driving a carriage or something. Really well done. Oh, yeah. I really enjoyed the editing in certain scenes when, I guess also in the dictation scene, but there was an earlier scene where he was, like, reading through his music,

and you'd hear the music itself as it was being read, like, as it's, being described, you're able to connect to what the actual part of the performance being referenced is, and I thought that that was really cool. It's good that it wasn't cheesy, too, because that could have easily been like a corny that. Oh, look, Mozart's, he's coming up with that one. He's coming up with that song, you all know. Yeah.

No, it makes sense because it's so grounded. Mm-hmm. Ralph, so the version we watched was the director's cut. Was this your first time watching the director? I think I'd seen the director's cut before. I really don't remember which ones I've seen before, but watching it again, I think I've been watching the director's cut my whole time. Because apparently it's very difficult to find the theatrical cut. We didn't specify last episode which one to watch, but I was just trying to find the theatrical cut because I figured maybe people would want to watch

that one because it's shorter, and I can't even find it. It's really hard to find. The Bluery I got is the director's cut. The version on Amazon is the director's cut, right? Yeah. Amazon and iTunes was the director's cut. So I figure maybe they just don't want people to see the theatrical cut. Maybe they figured people back then needed it, but the director's cuts much better. I honestly don't know, but you don't feel the length at all. I watched this whole fucking movie thinking, oh, I'll watch it like halfway.

And I watched the whole thing because it's just so entertaining and gripping and funny and all the performances are great. We've hardly mentioned his wife in it, Mozart's wife, and she's a great character too. She always calls him Wolfie. It was like really sweet, almost. Yeah, apparently in the theatrical cut, one of the scenes that was not included

was the first initial conflict between her and Sally Erie, which if you remove that, then, you know, it's not as easy to understand, even though, you know, many years later, it's not as easy to understand her being so uncomfortable with him near the end. It feels a bit less justified. Oh, right. And apparently that wasn't there in the theatrical cut.

Wow, I didn't know that. So I guess I've never seen the theatrical cut because I always remember that part. There you go. We figured it out. I love how much they showed of each of these performances. Yeah. And again, that was apparently cut down in the... the theatrical version.

But I really loved how just watching and comparing these different operas and performances, we see the one that's kind of like, I think they described it as kind of like a vaudeville one where it was like the Michael Bay of operas in a way. And it's just so clearly like pandering and like just spectacle over art in a way. and I love how they touched on that in the film and the characters were describing like oh this audience wouldn't even know when to clap you have to have a big bang at the end

you got to dumb it down for these people and that's just like another form of censorship in a way yeah that last chapter is pretty sad Mozart's like final years where he's like a total drunk and he's doing plays like that and no one respects him

can we talk about the accent for a minute because it was the one thing that kind of distracted me I was very confused as to where lots of the film was taking place because of of course you have people speaking

some are speaking in their native tongue like there are there is the Italian character isn't there and there's the some people speak with like an American accent others are English so I was very confused as to where it was supposed to take place, so I actually had to go on, like, research where it was supposed

to take place. And I, and also in the trivia for the film I was reading, it was like a very intentional decision, because they didn't want the accent part to kind of take anything away from the performances, which are, like, excellent from the main characters. But I did find it kind of jarring at first to get used to. You do get used to it after a while, because the film is so long, and it's like a whole journey. But at first, I was kind of thrown off as to, it's just weird hearing like an American accent in this kind of context. Yeah, I agree. I could see that.

Didn't really bother me, but I get it. That was kind of my main complaint. You guys said you didn't feel the length at all. There was a little bit where I did in the second act somewhere in the middle, where it was kind of moving focus way more onto Mozart for a huge chunk, and you weren't really seeing anything from, Antonio. I was kind of getting a bit frustrated.

I really wanted to go back to that character because he was what was really holding it together for me. And there is the payoff where they do kind of have that great scene where they're working together sort of one last time. Yeah. So I don't know if it would bother me in. It was like the Avengers teaming up. It was incredible.

Yeah. Those are the only things I really noticed. I liked how the film was all natural. literally lit, I think. Was it? Was it? Yeah, pretty sure. I mean, I think it, I think they used artificial lighting.

It wasn't like a Barry Lyndon, but it looked very natural. Yeah, it was all really well shot, not as well shot as Barry Lyndon, that's for sure. No. And it's like difficult not to compare when we're talking like period pieces. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't as showy, definitely. And the lighting felt very natural. Like, none of it was distracting and lots of oranges in the color palette to like,

like mirror the candlelight and all that but yeah it looked really good it's a really good looking movie yeah it was all very competently and professionally shot for sure there was nothing that was like a big spectacle where I was thinking like oh man this crazy shot that they did how did they do that there was nothing like that but yeah like that wasn't really the goal of the film so I also really liked how there were very long scenes but I was noticing how long they were, but they weren't dragging, they weren't dull, they were just interesting the whole time.

Like, it's just characters talking for the most part, but the dialogue is so good, the performances are so good, and what they're saying is so interesting. Yeah, and the movements, there's lots of, like, the blocking is fantastic. There's, like, that scene where Mozart and him or reading off the sheet music and writing it

together, and Antonio's, like, behind the bed, what's the front of the bed called? like whatever that fucking thing is, and there's like the separation between them, and then he comes like closer together and leans in, and the angle changes. Like, it was all really effective and, and well edited and, yeah,

it was just really well done. It was purposeful. Mm-hmm. Very purposeful. But also not distracting your show. It just, it all blended together really well. Mm-hmm.

This isn't a film where I, like, compared to a lot of others, I didn't really write a lot. of notes down. Yeah, same. It's... Yeah, same here. It's just really

well done and entertaining and a fascinating character piece. Yeah, I would definitely recommend it. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was very, very engaging,

especially considering that it's just mostly dialogue. Yeah, it's the performances carry it, which is really interesting characters with amazing performances.

Mm-hmm, absolutely. I think it's a perfectly executed movie in every way. I have no complaints with it at all. I really tried, because this is like the fifth time I've seen it. I really tried looking for something I didn't like. And maybe they cut back to like old Antonio a few too many times. Like maybe we didn't need some of those scenes. But like that's it.

I thought this movie is exceptional. I give it a five out of five. I love it. Yeah, I'm nearly there. I feel like if I see it again, I'll actually get more out of it each time. I'm sure you have with each viewing. If it's that hard to find anything to really pick apart. Yeah, it is very long, so be ready for that. If you're out there, you sit down for three hours and have a chunk ready. But it is consistently entertaining. Every element of it is very thoughtful, as we've already said.

There's also a lot to take away from it, just in terms of what it's about with what we've already talked about, with not being able to come to terms with when you're beat by other people, you know, all this kind of thing. I'd give it a four out of five. Yeah, I'm with Alex. I'd like to see it again, and we'll see exactly how my rating changes, but really loved it, and I would give it an eight out of ten. Nice.

Happy you guys liked it. Yeah, boy. Tons of great movies tonight. Yeah. Ready for questions? Yeah. Okay, so this is the part of the podcast where we answer fan questions. If you want to leave your own for us to answer, head over to the Sardonicast Reddit page,

where Ralph will leave a thread for you to ask any question you please. So the first question comes in from B-Dog-7-1-7-1, who says, what are some of your favorite movie posters? Ooh, I love the alien one. Yeah, it's a very good one The tagline is the one that sort of makes that one Yeah, that's a great tagline too Not a lot of great taglines in movies

Yeah, that's true I like the lobsters poster a lot Oh yeah I like all of your Goses's posters Yeah Kelly has a great one Yeah, I love that one It's so simple but it conveys the tone perfectly

Yeah Yeah, I like the posters that kind of summarize The whole film in one image And it kind of represents everything that it's about Yeah, there's a few movies out there that I can think of where the poster is what got me to see the film, where I'm like, oh, that's intriguing. Like, hard candy has an interesting poster. The image for Housu was how I discovered that film. Oh, yeah, Housen has a really good one.

The Thing has a great one. There's tons of great posters out there. Enemy has a great one. Enemy literally helps you figure out piece together the puzzle of the movie. Mm-hmm. Cache. Oh, yeah, Cache's got a good one. I like the airplane poster,

where it's like the plane that's tied in a knot. Oh, yeah. That's a great one. Yeah, that's a really good one. It's a really simple, but, yeah, effective. Again, represents exactly what you're in for, yeah. Mm-hmm. A vertigo.

I love the Vertigo one. And I love Pulp Fiction. That's a simple one, but I like it. I like, yeah, I have it in my room. Like every film student does. What a fuck. fucking gay guy, am I right? Gay!

Gay! Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's a bunch we're not thinking of right now, but they live has a good one. Yeah, there's just so many. I bet if I had more time to, like, find a bunch. Manhattan? Manhattan has a cool one.

The room. Tommy Wizzo's face. Tells he everything you need to know. What about, what about shittist? posters you can think of of the top of it. Oh, I have one. Yeah. I have one on my phone.

I got to find the name of it. It's literally the worst poster I've ever seen in my fucking life. Oh, I hope I could find it. You guys, you guys try to find some. Left behind that Nicholas Caged movie has a really funny poster. Corquette saves the kids. Justice League had a bunch of really bad posters too. Yeah.

there was the X-Men ones where it's like the silhouette of it was X-Men first class that's it it was like a silhouette of Dr. Xavier and Magneto but they felt they needed to like superimpose James McAvoy's face onto the poster

and like put it like 80% opacity it looked fucking terrible it looked terrible it looks terrible awful I can't believe they did that that might be the worst one I've ever seen yeah dreadful I mean besides that it was pretty cool

poster, but then they fucking ruined it with that. Yeah. Oh, it looks disgusting. Anything where you can tell it's like severely photoshopped. Like that Ready Player 1 poster where he has the super long leg? It's like what? What happened to your leg?

They feel like they have to put every star's face in the poster just to sell the star power of it. That Spider-Man homecoming poster, speaking of Spider-Man, it's fucking awful. There's one of them. It looks like, it looks so cheap. It looks like a fan poster. Yeah, it's very strange

Not a fan I can't find that one I think a lot of the posters That I like well not a lot But you know A decent amount of effective ones are usually created From just taking a single frame From the film

Like the white ribbon It's like you've The entire movie is like you could make a poster out of In any way You know That's what Manhattan did That's why I love that poster This is very simple

Playing it cool with Chris Evans and Michelle Moynigan. That has an awful one. If I ever find this other poster, I'm going to post it on Reddit because it's like so bad. Like unreal, how bad it is. Well, worse than the X-Men one. Yeah, worse than the X-Men one.

They have like a shadow on the sky's face, but it's done in Photoshop. So like half of his face is blue. It's like, oh my God, did you think that looked real? That looks fucking awful. Yeah, there's tons of bad ones. Biodome. You can tell it's a shit movie before. Yeah, that's a great one.

Aquaman with the sharks. Oh, yes, of course. The sharks from Getty Images. That's a great answer. I think you hit the nail on the head day with that X-Men one. That's astonishing. I've never seen that. I cannot believe that exists.

Yeah. They hung that up in theaters, yeah. I want a copy of it now to put it in my room. I want both of them. Man I'm totally gonna do that I love I love owning posters for just bad movies I got one for the last airbender

Oh yeah that's a good one I had an Assassin's Creed Unity poster And a my big fat Greek wedding two poster Because I just found them I've actually got a I have a really cool Hand-painted Who Killed Captain Alex poster

Nice That came from Africa From the people that actually worked on the movie Yeah, you mentioned it in your video, right? Yeah, yeah, it's awesome thing. It's like in my living room. It's a great piece of art. Awesome film.

I love that movie. Yeah, great movie. Props to them. It's hilarious. I just watched it last month. Nice. My brother. Movie, movie, movie, movie, movie, movie.

What's the guy's name? DJ? The DJ. Yeah. This is Uganda. After he hits that woman, welcome to Uganda. I feel like every film that

exists should have a version where DJ Emmy is, or sorry, VJ, VJ Emmy is his voice jockeying the entire film. Every movie. I would pay. We need to bring that guy here and just like set him up into studio and just have him record a bunch of commentary tracks. I swear, he'll make a fuck ton of money. Yeah, we need to crowd fund that.

Mm-hmm. Schindler's List with VJ Emmy. Oh, no. Got him Got him All right next question Brenniger Says

Have you guys ever fallen asleep During a movie In theaters Has that ever happened to you guys I'm very proud To say I've never done that I've come close a few times But I've never pulled the trigger

And actually close the eyes I have Really? What was it? Yeah I don't think it's happened any time recently. Oh, I remember.

But yeah, there's been a few. When I was a kid, I fell asleep in Free Willy. When I was a little older, I think like teenager or something, I fell asleep in the town with Ben Affleck. And then my favorite one to tell about these is how I fell asleep. I fell asleep in the movie Awake with Hayden Christensen. Okay, yeah, that's pretty good. I was proud of myself when I woke up.

I was like, this is great. but I'm the type of person where like if I want to stay awake I can like I'm never the guy that like falls asleep on the couch watching a movie usually I'm waking other people up if it's like super late or whatever I always find it like relatively easy to keep myself awake but there's some movies where I've just like I guess I just gave up you know it's like nah did you ever see the town again no like wow I think the town's a pretty good movie yeah I remember liking it when I saw it. Yeah. Is that your dog? I don't. Yeah, he's just out there. Oh, good boy.

No bad boy. Stop barking. Have you guys ever, have you walked out of a film before? Because you were so furious or angry or bored or whatever. I don't think so. I usually stick it to the end. I nearly walked out of that Will Ferrell film, Land of the Lost. Oh, that's a fucking awful.

movie yeah I don't blame you yeah I came close with that but I almost did with identity thief with Melissa McCarthy and Jason Bateman yeah that film is insulting insulting that woman is such a bitch and then they're like oh but she was fat so she's been bullied a lot so it's okay that she's a horrible bitch it's like no it's not it's not okay to steal people's identities and act like a bitch and be a criminal I don't relate with her all if she goes to jail for forever. I really wanted to walk out of clouds of Sils Maria with Kristen Stewart. And it was a very long, very painful experience, but it was at Vancouver Film Fest.

And one of the theaters that they used is basically just like a repurposed church. And we were in the, we were in the center of the aisle. And it literally would have been impossible to leave. So we were kind of trapped there because there wasn't enough room to get past people. And it was just like oh no it was so it was so painful it was a very painful experience yeah well it's christin stewart's in it i can imagine she she got like a french academy award for that film really really she came a lot of people loved it a lot of people love this director she always has her mouth open oh i i did not enjoy it yeah i'll never see anything with her Twilight, that was it.

Robert Pattinson's been doing great. Yeah, he's lucky I gave him a chance with that movie, Good Time. He proved himself with that. I was like, okay, you're a good actor, Robert Pattinson. But the rest of them, the Twilight crowd is just awful, all of them. Ramey Malick, too. He was in Twilight.

I forgot about that. Was he? Yeah, briefly. But he's great. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Not in Twilight, but... Lee Dumb asks, if you guys had a friend who liked the Madagascar series an unhealthy amount, how would you go about getting help for them? Well, we do, right?

Didn't you give Madagascar 2 of 5 on a letterbox? What are you talking about? Hold on, I'm going to read this review. You guys keep talking. I'll be right with you. You familiar with the Madagascar series, Adam? Yeah, I watched the first one. I moved it.

fuck it's not good maybe I'm gonna have to change my my recommended movie I was genuinely battling with with recommending Madagascar 3 oh no I didn't want to torture you guys

well whatever it's your call if you wanted to Madagascar 3 Madagascar 2 escape from Mort is an important seminal film First off, the emotion, wow, the themes of racism hit heart

First off, the love triangle between Gloria, Motto, and Melman is striking and honest All right, I've had it. That's it. This goes on for like two paragraphs. Yeah, I really am not a fan of the character design in those films. Really? Yeah. I love the character design.

They all look like blocks, you know? Yeah, I don't like it. It's very unsettling. Uncultureed. I'm not a fan of the humor. I'm not a fan of any of it, really. I don't really like it. You don't like the penguins?

Come on, you have to admit the penguins. No. They got their old spinoff. How about King Julian, the lemur? He's my least favorite. And the penguins maybe wasn't very good, but... Okay. We guys haven't really answered the question, but okay.

I don't know what I would do. I usually Electro shock therapy If somebody has If somebody really loves something that I don't I usually don't try to change that I'm just like well Whatever floats your boat I guess

You know Next week Alex is going to be replaced To someone else Be fucking Who can we get on here Movie Bob King Julian King Julian

That'll show them Yeah Alright I guess we can do one more question if you want Yeah sure Yeah let's do one more Dr Fuzzy Slippers says I have a fun one What does Christmas movie mean

What defines a Christmas movie Takes place on Christmas So that's why Die Hard is the best Christmas movie There seems to be some debate about that for some reason Does that count Who's the guy who always makes movies It takes place on Christmas Shane Black, isn't it?

Shane Black. I was about to say Spike Jones. Shane Black. He's the one that did that Predator movie, right? Mm-hmm. Which is apparently awful. I haven't seen it. I fucking hated it.

I saw it recently. I couldn't stand it, yeah. Can't wait to watch it. Not set on Christmas Day, so I was very upset about that, especially. Oh, really? Yeah, first one in a while. I didn't know that was a thing that he did. Yeah?

Leithel Weapons did it. Iron Man 3 did it? kiss kiss bang bang yeah um nice guys right i can't remember surely it probably is yeah just whatever yeah yeah there's uh very few christmas themed movies that i would say are good so i'm willing to have the definition of christmas movie be as broad as possible just so we can have more decent movies in there yeah which do you like if any Nightmare Before Christmas is good. Gremlins?

Gremlins. Gremlins is very good. Yeah. Home alone? No. I haven't seen that in a while. I haven't seen it since I was like six, so... Yeah, a lot of these movies aged horribly.

We tried watching Christmas story last year, just to, you know, for old time's sake, and wow, is that movie fucking awful? It's unbearable. It's so bad. It's not funny. It's like trying to be cute, but it's so dating. but it's so dated. We fucking shut it off like 20 minutes in.

I can't stand that cutesy bullshit and made me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. Did you ever see the Seth Rogan Christmas movie called The Night Before? No. I thought that wasn't bad. I was expecting something

that was kind of bad, but it was all right. Like I gave it a five, but it was pretty funny. Really? Yeah. Five out of five? No, I never want to see it.

Five out of ten. Okay. Yeah. Wow, perfect score. Yeah, it's not. It's not a bad, like, you know, if you, if you don't hate Seth Rogen, if you're like, okay, it's a Seth Rogen movie and I know what to expect, it's, you know, it's going to ride on comedians saying funny things and funny things happening and there isn't going to be, like, that much impressive going on technically. If you accept that, then it's like, oh, this is fun. If you're forced to watch it with, like, family, you'll be okay. Yeah. It's like one of those. Okay. You can watch it with family. It's, I mean, it's not a. family movie, it's rated R, but it's fun.

Oh, okay. Well, if your family's older, if you're all older. How about Elf? What do you guys think of Elf? Yeah, that's how I feel. I fucking hate Wolf-Farrell, and I can't stand that movie. Yeah, it's not great. What about, uh, jingle all the way? Arnold. I mean, yeah. I remember liking it when I was younger. Yeah, it's...

I don't know. It's a fun movie that I enjoyed when I was younger. It's probably bad though. I mean, like, I could probably watch it currently and be like, ah, not great. But I remember my, I was in, I think, grade four or something. And I really loved that movie. And I remember recommending it, like, to my teacher. Because she was like, oh, we're going to watch some Christmas movies close to Christmas.

I'm like, I remember going to go. to her. I'm like, oh, let's, we, could we, could I bring jingle all the way? And she's like, maybe I'm like, it's got Arnold Schwarzenegger. And then immediately I could tell her not knowing anything about the movie. She thought it would be some like crazy R-rated like action. Like, he kills everybody on Christmas, like sort of thing. She's like, no. And then I realized when I was older that that was probably how she interpreted it. Yeah. How about National Ampoons Christmas Vacation? I don't know if I've seen that. You should see it.

It's pretty good. It's pretty funny. And Arthur Christmas from Ardman Animation. That's a good one too. I like that movie. It's a cute one for the family. You've got to watch the kids. That's a good one to put on.

Either that or die hard. Yeah. Or Madagascar 2. Nah. Madagascar 2 is Christmas? It can be if you want it to be. There is the Madagascar holiday special, which does have Christmas. bits in it, yes.

That's out there. Isn't there a Shrek one too? Oh yeah, but that's nothing compared to, yeah. The Grinch by Illumination. Oh yeah, I didn't see that. Didn't make a bunch of money? Probably. Yeah, yeah, I made tons.

I'm gonna get more. My dad was telling me how he went to IHop and had like the Grinch pancakes. I'm like, why the fuck did you? He went with his... A green pancake? Yes. with my mom to fucking IHop

to eat these green shitty pancakes. He's like, oh, the Grinch is cute. It's clever. The Tion was clever. They put green powder on it. I'm like, that's the most, fucking, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Whatever. Nice. Anyway. Thanks, everybody. It was fun.

That's that. Who's gonna recommend a movie? It's another episode for a book, for the books. It's me, right? It's my turn. Right. I've got to bring it home. I'm not going to make you guys at the Madagascar movie. I'll save that for another time.

I will eventually. But I'll spring it on you once you've forgotten about it. Okay, cool. It'll be like two years from now. My actual recommendation as a film I've been wanting to rewatch for a long time is Danny Boyle's

shallow grave in 1994. Never seen it. You guys seen that one now? No. No. Cool. Writer of Trainspotting. It's the film he did before, I think, so it should be interesting.

Yeah, that's awesome. I love Danny Boyle, so I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. I think there's a criterion for that. Yes, there is. Yeah, there's a criterion Blu-ray. I should get it. Oh, nice.

It should be pretty easy to find. Okay, cool. Nice. Cannot wait, because I have not seen it. And I've been meaning to, and I kind of forgot about it. Yeah. I just remembered it randomly. I was like, oh, that'd be a good one to recommend.

Is that like his first movie or something? How old? It might be actually. How old is this? Let's see. 94. You're I was born. TV, movie, TV, TV series. Shallow grave is his first real feature.

Feature, all right. And it was the one he made before trainspotting. Okay. Nice. Okay. Nice. Epic. Dank.

All right. Thank you guys for watching this episode. Had a great time. I've sorry, Donna Cass. Hope you had a great. whatever you celebrate, happy holidays, happy new year.

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because we're going to spoil it. And hopefully we've all seen Aquaman by next episode. Yeah, I'm assuming we will. We'll probably talk about that. Don't let us down, Ralph. I'll probably get drunk and see it. That would be an awesome experience. Yeah.

With some kind of substance, that film is going to be awesome. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that might be how I persuade my family to watch it with me or something. Maybe I'll have to wait until I'm back. I don't know.

We'll figure it out. Anyway, thank you guys. I'll see if I can find some LSD. Thanks everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.