Sardonicast - Sardonicast #28: Disney, Madagascar Trilogy

Starting point is 00:00:04 Three, two, one. Hello and welcome, history buffs. My name is Nick Hodges, and this was my idea for the intro for Sardana cast this week. Hi, everybody. This is Sardana cast. You guys know history buffs, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's a great channel.

Starting point is 00:00:23 I think I mentioned it on this podcast before, actually. You did it, too? We have. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. I'm Ralph from YouTube.com slash Rolf the Movie Maker. And I'm Alex the Lion. Go! Oh no.

Starting point is 00:00:39 Oh no, I forgot. Wait a minute. What did you forget? What's his name? What's the main character's name again? Alex the Lion. Yeah, okay. That's what I thought.

Starting point is 00:00:50 Yeah, I forgot about that. Well, let's not talk about that yet. Let's keep you all shrouded in mystery for a bit before we get on to that masterpiece. I guess Masterpieces Yeah You guys watch all three I

Starting point is 00:01:11 We're not talking about this yet I guess Yeah we'll get into that for sure Why not? Well I mean Because it would be out of order In comparison to our other episodes If we just talked about that right away

Starting point is 00:01:26 So Don't worry I feel like we should just make this whole episode About that I mean there's only like a couple other things yeah there's um it's the new Disney Aladdin

Starting point is 00:01:39 which is uh with Will Smith I had flashbacks to Will Smith yeah Wilsmith is the genie Can you believe how bad it looks Like Will Smith specific It looks horrendous I can believe it would make it look good

Starting point is 00:01:54 I'm not surprised in the slightest Disney usually does a good job with that stuff What character design because they haven't been Yeah at all. Design, CGI. No, they don't.

Starting point is 00:02:04 Look at Beauty and the Beast. That is the worst character design I've ever seen. The Beast. Beauty and the Beast? I don't know. I haven't seen the movie. Look at the fucking trash. Look at what they did. Yeah, the, the dresser and the teacup and like, it's all so fucking ugly.

Starting point is 00:02:21 It's so. It's so. It's so realistic, didn't it? This new Will Smith Jeannie look like a, it looked like a Snapchat filter. It looked like when I do Zach Snyder. Oh, no. when I just put the subject filter in my face. That's what it looked like.

Starting point is 00:02:34 It was horrendous. Yeah. I don't think he, uh, I don't know. I, it's, it's strange to see him there. Because it's not like he's been a selling point for the past six years, I guess, since 2013 when after Earth came out, his career just changed forever, right? Well, now he's a famous YouTuber. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:57 Yeah. YouTube Rewind. He's the community. This is our year to control. That's hot. Thanks well. Thanks for the memes. And Jafar as well.

Starting point is 00:03:09 Thanks for ruining Aladdin. Yeah, I don't even remember what Jafar looks like. Do you guys like the original Aladdin? I do. I like aspects to it for sure. I haven't seen it since I was a kid though, so I wouldn't be able to really tell you whether or not I like it. Yeah, I haven't seen it for a while either.

Starting point is 00:03:28 There's songs that I still remember for sure. like the music. Yeah. This whole project just seems like a terrible idea. Just like all the other ones have been. And it's interesting to me that it was this one that kind of caused the backlash. Before now, there hasn't really been any of a major proportion. For whatever reason, people didn't really care too much about the awful character design

Starting point is 00:03:53 and Beauty and the Beast. I mean, it was a criticism. But to me, what they did to those characters, it would have made just as much sense to freak out about that when a trailer got released as it does to freak out about Will Smith being the genie

Starting point is 00:04:08 you know like they're equally terrible and disgusting and bastardized I think people are getting sick of it when it comes to things like Jungle Book and the Lion King remake I mean they're just doing photo realism they're just doing like oh it's just real

Starting point is 00:04:23 animals basically so it's like how do you screw that up character design wise it's just you just get an animation team to be like, what does a lion look like? And that's pretty much it. Like, slightly bigger eyes or something?

Starting point is 00:04:36 Like, not even. Like, they don't have facial expressions anymore. Like, it's just, I consider the character design for what I saw in the Lion King to be pretty bad too. It's like,

Starting point is 00:04:45 what's the point of animation anymore? What's the point when you don't have relatable facial expressions or the ability to see characters emote in any way? You know, what happened to that? There's a reason why animation. exists. Yeah, how he's supposed to connect with a real baboon or a real lion?

Starting point is 00:05:05 It's too fast, taking the concept way too far. I wonder what Zazu's going to look like. Just a beak. He's not going to be able to smile with that beak. It's just going to be a beak. It's upsetting. And it is, I agree with you. Very strange that this is the one that finally made people go, wait a minute, this isn't good.

Starting point is 00:05:26 This is bad. It doesn't mean anything, though, because everyone's still hyped for Lion King and probably Dumbo is still when there are more. It's still going to make billions of dollars. Is anybody hyped for Dumbo? Is there a trailer out for that? Yeah, there are loads of them. I see them. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Yeah. Dumbo is not one of the more popular ones. They're also making a lady in the tramp. Oh, what? They're putting that. They're putting that on their Disney streaming thing. Yeah, I heard that too. Like, that's going straight there.

Starting point is 00:05:53 Oh, my God. Along with, like, a Star Wars show and like a Marvel. some Marvel shows are going to go on their streaming service. Man. This is so crazy. And now they have, they have Fox. I know.

Starting point is 00:06:06 They have Fox, so they own a lot of that stuff. And doesn't Fox have a lot of Hulu? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just assume if I see a company, I assume Disney owns it at this point.

Starting point is 00:06:20 Somehow, like through one of its like subsidiaries, like yeah, that's probably, probably owned by Disney. I mean, they own most of the valuable property in Hollywood.

Starting point is 00:06:28 I assume every restaurant is owned by like Coke or Pepsi partnership at least. Every drink. Yeah. You know, you look at the back of the bottle, it's like, oh, Coca-Cola bottling company.

Starting point is 00:06:41 What a surprise. I thought this was just some mom and pop drink. Nope. Nah, nah, nah, no. No, no, no. No, no. The mouse is taken over.

Starting point is 00:06:54 This is like the exaggerated warnings that we got throughout like the 60s up until now of just how far things could go this is almost like Holy Mountain-esque of just like... Yeah, it's like Orwellian.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Yeah, exactly. This one company's going to take over the entire industry. Yeah. Like in Wally where everything's owned by Costco except it's Disney which is funny because it's a Disney-owned film and they were just talking about themselves.

Starting point is 00:07:23 They could say themselves, yeah, because that would be too much. Yeah. He kept the Disney company looking good. Well, Smith, everybody. He's blue. He's back. Is he going to be blue the whole movie?

Starting point is 00:07:35 Or is he going to be like... Like, you know that magazine cover? He would sort of transform, wouldn't he, into different people and creatures and stuff? So I wonder how, if they'll do that. I'm just imagining how uncanny valley it will look when he starts, like, transforming into other things, if that's what's going to happen.

Starting point is 00:07:53 Because, like, the Robin Williams character was so... I'm going to use this word intentionally animated, you know? Like he was so animated in what he did, constantly like, poof, I'm going to change into this, change into this. He talked really fast, you know, like the voice fit perfectly. This, I don't know what the hell they're going to do with it that's not going to make it look really scary and creepy and weird. And funny. I guess. Like watching five seconds of it made me go like, I was fucking disgusted.

Starting point is 00:08:25 Yeah, it's repulsive to look at. They look at the backlash on the internet and they're like, let's rewrite the story. The genie's not going to be in as much of it as we wanted before. Yeah, they might rework some of the visual effects. I mean, they still have time. When's it supposed to come out? Next, uh, next week.

Starting point is 00:08:45 Next year, this year. Next week. Yeah, it's coming out tomorrow. Yeah, I don't know. I guess if we don't really have. have much to say more about that this is like it's just so funny it's just hilarious it's it's I don't know if I can call it hilarious that's what I'll call it I mean you'll always have those old movies those are great movies and now Disney's like fuck we have

Starting point is 00:09:12 nothing so let's just remake them and it's fucking Will Smith in a Snapchat filter come on it's hilarious I'm not I'm not one to dwell on the whole like ruined my childhood thing because I don't really I agree with you like the old films still exist, you can watch them at any time. However, it does kind of upset me to see that this is where the money

Starting point is 00:09:34 is. This is where the funding is. This is what Disney is choosing to throw money at where, you know, there are tons of creative original artists that are desperate to get their projects off the ground that Disney is not interested in. And yeah,

Starting point is 00:09:50 I get it. It's money making, whatever. But then you see these projects and And, you know, everybody in the world is thinking like, okay, man, how detached are these people from reality where they think that this character design is appealing to people? Like, yes, Beauty and the Beast made money. Emma Watson was in it. Like, you know, she can get people to buy tickets. You know, it was one of the first remakes, too. So people really didn't know what it would be like.

Starting point is 00:10:17 It was one of the first dark, gritty, live action Disney remakes. And so people obviously gave it a chance and people are familiar. and people are familiar with it. But like, there's so many instances where it's just like, okay, if I were in charge of this, it would be so much different. It's clearly not being made by people

Starting point is 00:10:35 who are fans of the original if this is what it is. It's clearly not being made out of any sort of like passion or any sort of interest in the original. You know, like when I did my old boy review, one of the points I kept bringing back is like, what movie did you watch? Like, what the hell is this?

Starting point is 00:10:53 Like, it's shape. There's nothing with the original anymore. So if it's going to be so detached that you're no longer being faithful to it, then why make it a remake anyway? Oh, yeah, money. That's it's it's it's business like. Yeah. It's factory movies and it pisses me off.

Starting point is 00:11:10 No passion at all. Like, I want to see art. This isn't art. This is bullshit. This is a product. I mean, I don't know how you can be passionate about it. Disney says make a live action remake of Lion King. And just we want the same exact.

Starting point is 00:11:23 movie basically. And that's what's going to be. It's going to be the same exact movie, probably shot for shot, except better rendered. No, I have like 30 minutes of filler. And worse music, probably. Yeah, they cut out the Be Prepared song. So, they're likely going to replace it.

Starting point is 00:11:43 You got John Oliver. Oh, no. And fucking, who else? Seth Rogan. Seth Rogan. Yeah. Like, come on. But James Earl Jones is still there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:53 Jeremy Irons is not there anymore for some reason. Nah, the hell with him. Yeah. He's working with the DC crew. We don't like him anymore. But why don't they just remake them in the Disney animated 3D style they've been doing for years? Yeah. I would prefer that.

Starting point is 00:12:11 That makes so much more sense. I would prefer that, yeah. At least they could do some kind of new spin on it and it would look better. It's so stupid. Yeah, it's an insult to the original. But it's still going to make a billion dollars. So whatever. I don't know about that one.

Starting point is 00:12:25 It is. It's going to do well. I know. The Lion King's going to do ridiculously well, but I'm not convinced about Aladdin. I mean, if people enjoy it, then I don't want to stop them from enjoying it. But I feel like what's going to happen is that... They'd enjoy the original more. That's 100%.

Starting point is 00:12:40 Well, yeah. I mean, you could watch the original. You might as well just re-release the original in theaters. I know that wouldn't do as well. But still... They did that already, I believe. I mean, they've done it a few times. They did that when the 3D thing came out.

Starting point is 00:12:51 But what I'm concerned will happen is that it won't be a thing where like people watch it and everybody's like, you know what, that was pretty good. I feel like there's going to be a lot of people disappointed with it. I feel like people are going to go to that movie and be like, oh, what the fuck? This isn't the thing I love, you know, like, and not realize that they could have seen that coming beforehand. You know, that's what I'm concerned about. There might be a backlash, but I don't know. Because all these Disney properties always do well, and the reviews are always good, and people always love them. That's not true.

Starting point is 00:13:25 Which was bad. Well, what's an example, you think? Of Disney properties that people don't love? There was like that Nutcracker. A movie based on some valuable property, and everyone doesn't jerk off over it. The Nutcracker in the Four Realms, that's one. Well, that's a property. No one cares about that.

Starting point is 00:13:43 Exactly. People didn't. People actually care about Lion King. Yeah, I mean, that people, I mean, right now, Aladdin,

Starting point is 00:13:54 it's clear that people aren't going to like that one. It might still do well, who knows? Like, we don't know whether or not

Starting point is 00:14:00 it's actually going to perform well. We'll see. This seems like it's just going to be a never-ending source of annoyance. Who knows?

Starting point is 00:14:10 Maybe they'll stop doing it at some point. Oh, yeah, they will. They'll just keep doing it until they still making money from it. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:14:16 exactly. Like, we are voting. with our wallets I wish they wouldn't go so fucking hard you know like they obviously have a team that is determining what the most successful algorithms to make money with films is right but disney every time they've they've done it in the past like i don't know 10 years maybe even longer they've just gone so fucking hard that they saturate the market and and it just becomes spam like how many fucking star wars movies do we need in

Starting point is 00:14:48 a row, you know? Like, to the point where all of a sudden solo comes out, they're like, hmm, now we'll cancel a few of them. Like, they wanted to do, like, one every fucking six months, you know? Like, and it's only when they, when one just underperforms a little bit, they're like, eh, eh. That's an example of them, like, people speaking with their wallets. I mean, they totally changed, like, what's happening with Star Wars now, because Solo did so bad. I don't think they understand that part of the reason why it didn't perform as well is because they're just spamming the movies.

Starting point is 00:15:22 That and Last Jedi wasn't very good and Solo looked like shit. There's a lot of reasons, but I mean, that is definitely one of them. It's all their fault. People were just sick of Star Wars in three years. People went from, it made $2 billion and they loved it to, I really can skip this one.

Starting point is 00:15:42 Exactly. Which is nuts. I know, it's all their fault. They don't understand. understand. Yeah, so they should fucking relax. But what's next? What's the next animated thing they're going to remake? Um,

Starting point is 00:15:54 I don't know, Song of the South. Fantasia. Fantasia, yeah. Fantasia. Did I tell you guys about the deleted scenes from Fantasia, the original? Did I ever have this conversation with you? Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:16:10 Go on YouTube and look up like the Fantasia censored. Like, you'll find a side-by-side comparison. Most it's like seven minutes long eight minutes long or whatever most of it is the same But there are is a good two minutes total where it shows how they removed a an incredibly racist character And you don't have to watch that right now but I suggest everybody watch it fuck Disney. Yeah, that's very interesting I think that they're a disgusting company honestly because like I kind of want to ran about this just for a tiny bit

Starting point is 00:16:44 There's this terrible attitude that they have when it comes comes to their older films, like if there's any kind of objectionable content, whether it be like, you know, racism is a big example, or even just like, they think that something's a little mistake. Like, even in the Lion King DVD, there's things that they touched up and you can no longer access what is essentially the original film. Remember, there was like Simba lays down and the dust cloud comes out and, like, somebody said it's spelled out the word sex in the stars. Like, they fucking, they just threw a bunch more stars over that. like more dust over that yeah they're constantly like George Lucasing their films and what

Starting point is 00:17:23 pisses me off about it is when it comes to products of their time like okay this was what Fantasia was 1940 1941 or something and there was an incredibly racist caricature don't pretend it didn't happen because that's more fucking racist you know well what else are they going to do well here's what Warner Brothers did if you buy the Looney Tunes platinum collection on Blu-ray the entire thing when you put the disc in it is pre-faced by a message from Warner Brothers saying hey there there's objectionable content in here it's a product of its time it does not reflect our views currently and I'm paraphrasing here but they literally say it would be a worse crime to pretend that this never happened like this is a product of history and I agree with that so much you don't have to pretend it never happened and this is part of why I hate Disney is just like they there's such a slimy fucking company. Anyway, that was my little rant. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:18:22 I just saw a clip of it. Yeah, that's really bad. Yeah. And it's worse because they tried to pretend it doesn't happen. They're like, we'll release the same movie, but it was never like this. You know, even just have the option on your DVD or Blu-ray to view the original, but

Starting point is 00:18:37 just give it a warning or something. But of course they wouldn't do that because they're fucking Disney. They're a disgusting company. Yeah, they have that, yeah. They want everyone to think they're harmless and cutesy, and never done anything wrong and look where Mickey Mouse it's all image it's all a fucking facade Yeah yeah it's not surprising yeah they've done a lot of bad stuff type of shit they pull get into Especially when it comes to like copyright law you know like they're responsible for a lot of the mess we're in right now

Starting point is 00:19:05 Which is totally fucking hypocritical too Because all of their properties when they were starting out like yeah are all folklore that were public domain and now They're like oh We don't want any of our products to enter the public domain. Let's keep extending copyright law. It used to be like until the artist's death. Now it's like fucking hundred years after the artist's death. Artists death plus 90 years.

Starting point is 00:19:30 Yeah, I mean, it used to only be like 20 years total. But Disney just kept fucking with it. Every, like right when the deadline's coming around, they extend it more. Excuse me, lawyers. Soon it's going to be artist plus 200 years. Artist's death plus 200 years. Yeah. Like it's so ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:19:47 And it's so. hypocritical and slimy because that's how they made their empire and now they're like nope nobody else we don't want anybody else using anything that's public domain we don't want any of our properties to become public domain fuck off like what are you doing to art

Starting point is 00:20:02 it's no longer art anymore you're just trying to turn into a factory fucking product I'm mad yeah what you're gonna do yeah it's just what happens when a company gets so powerful yeah I hope it just collapses soon

Starting point is 00:20:17 What do you mean? Disney is a company? They have way too much money. They're literally too big to fail at this point. Yeah, they're not going to collapse. We'll find a way. We'll do like fight club. Mickey Mouse's fight club. Oh, ho.

Starting point is 00:20:32 Mickey Mouse is fight club. All right. Another topic. Yeah. Yeah. What was that news story? Oh. That just happened.

Starting point is 00:20:43 Oh, yeah. That's the one that's like two hours old. It's related to the awesome. So I'm sure you've been keeping up with that shit show yeah Yeah first first the Oscars wanted the popular film category people freaked out they were like oops sorry please Heart got put it off please watch our programming sorry we didn't do anything and then They had Kevin Hart to host and then people got mad they're like oh sorry And they flogged themselves a few times and then they said well you know what we're gonna trim down

Starting point is 00:21:17 down our fucking programming because nobody's watching so we need we need to do something to make sure that people watch next year let's let's only have two of the original songs that were nominated perform live at the Oscar and then Lady Gaga freaked out and then everybody started getting mad they're like oh sorry sorry flogging themselves again and then the newest one well I guess second newest one now was the they wanted to have the like for the categories being announced over commercial break

Starting point is 00:21:51 because apparently some of the categories aren't important enough to them like cinematography editing and editing yeah and then it was what costume design and then documentary short or live action short I think it was live action short

Starting point is 00:22:04 but either way I like even I'm glad that they were stupid enough to try and do that with editing and cinematography because that really fucking piss people off You saw those tweets by like Yermo and Alfonso Alfonso Caron

Starting point is 00:22:22 Yeah He's nominated for so many Oscars this year Here he is shitting on them Great fucking job I'm glad he stood up to them Like every big director shit on it It was great It's so insane

Starting point is 00:22:32 Like how quickly They've they've lost The respect of like Not just the public Not just their viewership But like the entire film community Like Hollywood fucking hates the Oscars now And it's so funny

Starting point is 00:22:46 industry because it's been revealed that they have no idea what they're doing and it's a big fucking rigged stupid show yeah what's the point anymore and you shouldn't take them seriously the newest one somebody just posted this on our subreddit this is like two hours old indi wire reports the oscars won't have segments with everyday people because they don't get ratings yeah well because they're stupid i'm glad they got rid of that at least. It's funny. It's funny that they're just blatantly saying it. They could have just not done it.

Starting point is 00:23:22 You know? It's not like that was Oscars tradition. To announce it. To like throw candy in a theater full of Normies that were trying to watch a wrinkle in time. Like that wasn't a tradition. Eat, peasants. Eat! The Oscars is like trying to get people excited about their shitty awards show.

Starting point is 00:23:41 And this is how they're doing it. They're like, please be excited. Please clap. it's insane I wonder if this is actually going to help their viewership or not or what's going to happen to you I refuse to watch it I'm going to because I'm doing my commentary and I'm shitting on it

Starting point is 00:23:57 I'm worried that I might be bringing well I don't know how powerful my YouTube presence is I'm worried that I might be bringing other people to watch it to watch my live stream commentary but who knows yeah that's the thing I don't know I mean I'm really it's it's insult this year. People might

Starting point is 00:24:17 tune in though. Yeah. I think people want to see a shit show. Yeah. People are curious and they want to see, you know, what all the fuss is about. So they might tune in for a little bit, but it's so long, I guess. They'll jump out. 10 minutes. Oh yeah. You know what?

Starting point is 00:24:33 They changed one other thing that they actually haven't gone back on. They removed the tradition of, or at least for this year. We'll see if they continue doing that. They removed the tradition of the

Starting point is 00:24:48 previous year's winners announcing the awards for this year. And so Alice and Janney, I think that was the, she was from Itania, right? Is that who she is? Yes. She's like actually upset about it. She's publicly said that she's like heartbroken that she won't get to

Starting point is 00:25:05 go to the Oscars and announce this year's winner. So what are they doing instead then? Jimmy Fallon's going to come up and do it. I think they're just picking people themselves. They have some intern come out on the stage. they'll have a robot do it they might as well at this point yeah

Starting point is 00:25:20 you have like an Amazon Alexa comes out and fucking doesn't bring on the Star Wars robot again that was so funny when Jimmy come out and do it yeah oh my god what a disaster

Starting point is 00:25:33 that's really funny though do they just not want this to go well I think that they're all above the age of 65 and they have no idea what it's like not to be a rich asshole and so this is just a byproduct of watching them make decisions I think that's what this is the age of these people don't be an age of oh yeah they're totally not super old Ralph they're totally young people that this could be new management

Starting point is 00:25:59 coming in and just changing all the rules you don't know that yeah old people they're definitely old though it's probably safe to perhaps perhaps it is a little ageist but I think it's a little fucking accurate to to to suggest that the older you are, the less with the times you are. I mean, that's pretty much, it's just how shit works. Yeah. We should make our own awards show.

Starting point is 00:26:24 Yeah. Why don't we just do that? We'll call it the 421 Awards. Direct competition. Yeah, because we don't want any trouble from Derek Savage. Oh man. Speaking of which. How's that going? Have you seen his Twitter account

Starting point is 00:26:39 recently? No. He's like, so there's like a reporter. from the Huffington Post that found some... So Cool Cat's been tweeting all sorts of weird political shit

Starting point is 00:26:50 about like... Gun laws and now he's like really pissed at that that guy who allegedly hoaxed that hey crime on himself it's looking like that's probably

Starting point is 00:27:05 what happened. But like Cool Cat's getting weirdly political and so there was a Huffington Post reporter that just tweeted fuck you Cool Cat or like fuck you fascist or something like that. And it started this weird

Starting point is 00:27:18 feud between them where like Daddy Derek usually just blocks people but he was responding to like every tweet. Yeah, he has no idea how to respond to criticism. Well, all of Cool Kat's tweets and this, it seems like it's still in character as he's doing this,

Starting point is 00:27:35 all of Cool Kat's tweets were like they filled out the entire character length and then the Huffington Post Reporter guy would just come back with like you're dumb or something and then and then cool cat would just respond again like with an entire entire block of text whereas this one guy is just saying like fuck you and it got to the point where we're on the cool cat Twitter account he's literally calling on president Donald Trump to try and ban huffington post I'm not

Starting point is 00:28:06 kidding I'm not kidding he's like he's tagged the president and saying we need to get rid of these fake news people yeah mr president at real donald Trump this fake news at health post

Starting point is 00:28:20 reporter has been cursing at a kid's character and now he wants to take you and me on let's everybody ban the

Starting point is 00:28:27 Huffington Post fake news stations now isn't that insane it's awesome yeah he tweeted that at like all the news organizations

Starting point is 00:28:37 MSNBC CNN is this all he does know He just sits on Twitter, just arguing. That's fucking hilarious. There was so much potential. If Daddy Derek had himself as organized as Neil Breen at this point and just wasn't a complete asshole to everybody. Yeah, he could be rolling in it.

Starting point is 00:28:57 Yeah. Maybe he is rolling in it. He sells a lot of merch. Or at least there's a lot of merch options available for him to sell. I think he spends a lot of money on drugs. I think he's a drug addict. And guns, weapons. Oh, yeah, he loves guns, that's for sure.

Starting point is 00:29:11 He loves weed. And we, yeah, guns and weed. Guns and weed. And mama cat. Yeah. He's dressed at a cool cat suit, shooting guns. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:24 But every time he comes up, I want to say, has he finally cracked? But there's just a new one every month. So I'm not even going to say it anymore. It's just, yep, this is just his permanent state. I think you're asking the wrong question. I think he's been cracked this whole time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:42 Is anything ever going to happen about it, or is he just going to keep doing this for years and years? Because it has been bloody long time that he's been doing this kind of thing now. Yeah, I'm still waiting for, like, a new film that isn't just a George Lucas version of the same movie he's been making the past five years. The one he's re-released now, like eight times. I'm just waiting for a new movie. That's not the gun self-defense one. I want a new cool cat. Yeah, get your hat together, mate.

Starting point is 00:30:12 do it. He's losing his mind. Yeah. He's going to snap, like he said, Alex. There's no snapping from there. He might end up blowing up a hospital or something. He's already in pieces, so I don't know how he could snap anymore. Where would the snap be?

Starting point is 00:30:28 It doesn't make sense. The snap happened before we were even here. Yeah. It's too late. But at least we got some memes. Do we want to talk about a movie? Yeah, I guess so. don't we? The movie?

Starting point is 00:30:43 Oh, we were... B movie. Are we actually going to do it? Well, we, yeah, I mean... Yeah, I guess we gotta... So we got another controversial trilogy to talk about, like, the Sunnanger one. I guess we do it in order, because Ralph, you watch the entire trilogy, for some reason. Yeah, for some reason.

Starting point is 00:31:04 Even though I recommend it again. And the Penguins movie. Why the fuck? And the Penguins movie. Jesus. All right, well, you can be the expert here. I guess Alex you've seen them all too. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:14 Yeah, Ralph, you start with the first movie. Give us, make us understand the first movie and why it's so... Oh, the synopsis of Madagascar 1? Yeah, give us... So, spoilers. Yeah, spoilers. Spoilers. So there's a line named Alex, and he has a friend as a hippo and a giraffe and a giraffe.

Starting point is 00:31:36 Yeah. And a zebra. And he wants to be out in the wild. He wants to get out of... the zoo, you know. And so they escape and accidentally get on a ship that sends them to the island of Madagascar. And there they meet a bunch of crazy characters. There's a few penguins.

Starting point is 00:31:56 There's a lemur. King Julian. Played by Sasha Bernard Cohen, King Julian. And yeah, from there, it's just stupidity. What do we think of Madagascar 1? What do you remember? about it. I remember the last thing you said honestly, I think I fucking repressed it.

Starting point is 00:32:17 I honestly think... I remember that the grandma was in the original, right? Like the old lady who just hates him for no reason? No. No, she wasn't? Yeah, no, the grandma is in the first one. Oh yeah, she's in all of them, that's right, I'm sorry. No, she's not the third one. Ralph, what the fuck? You've seen all...

Starting point is 00:32:33 Like, you're supposed to be the expert here. She's not... She's not in the third one? No, she's in the second one. She's not in the third one? No, she's not. She's in the first one? and the second one. Yeah, the second one. Okay, I thought the third one is the one where the penguins run over her with the car.

Starting point is 00:32:47 I'm sorry. That was the second one. Yeah. I know it's confusing. It's a very complicated timeline in the... Yeah. Yeah. I honestly just fucking repressed it.

Starting point is 00:33:00 There's no fucking way... I thought that the whole thing took place like in New York or something when I was trying to remember it and then people looked it up on Wikipedia. My friends looked it up on Wikipedia. They were like, no. they actually go to Madagascar. I'm like, oh, so that's why it's called Madagascar. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:33:20 It was in New York. Why would it be called Madagascar when it's in Europe? Okay? Like, I don't know. My issues with the first Madagascar are the film looks so bad now. Yeah. I think the story goes, and I was trying to find something on this, that Disney were making

Starting point is 00:33:41 a really similar kind of concept movie called like... The Wild? Yeah, the Wild. That's it. Yeah. Where there's like a lion and a giraffe and I think a koala and a bunch of stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:33:54 And DreamWorks somehow found out early about the idea and copied it and put out Madagascar before it and then made loads of money in the wild flop. That's so funny. Yeah. Are you sure that? I always thought that the Wild was like a rip-off of Madagascar.

Starting point is 00:34:09 But you're telling me it's otherwise? I think that, yeah, I thought, um, I could be wrong on this, but I remember reading it somewhere that somehow DreamWorks like caught word of what was happening or maybe someone was working at Disney and moved over to DreamWorks, I'm like that. Because that happened with ants. You might be confusing it with ants unless this happened. I mean, it could have happened multiple times.

Starting point is 00:34:31 It is a strategy. Yeah, it could happen again. Dreamworks is their fucking bastards. Yeah. No, I don't say that. So, so you're saying, Alex, this film was rushed to meet a deadline ahead of

Starting point is 00:34:45 the wild movie because the film definitely feels that way it feels rushed the animation has not held up it wasn't good when it came out either it always looked like shit but now especially it's really bad and the character designs especially and this is a problem with all of them yeah maybe except the third one

Starting point is 00:35:06 oh come on it but like the design of everything I just fucking hate it. Ugly. It all looks ugly. It all looks ugly and blocky and it's so yeah disgusting. It's it's a fucking sad day when the characters are so poorly designed that it can't even be fucking fur bait Can't even fucking be furry bait? They look so fucking disgusting. Are we talking about the entire trilogy right now or just the first one? We're talking about the main cast of characters at least. I'm saying especially the first one. The first one has the worst animation. They they look repulsive and it looks like it's animated at like 15 frames a second

Starting point is 00:35:41 it's very odd. Yeah. Just the character design alone is just like why. Who the fuck did that? Now they're stuck with it. Like if they keep making Madagascar movies they have to have the same character design for the original characters and it all looks so fucking gross. The giraffe is fucking gross looking.

Starting point is 00:36:00 What's his name? Merlin? Melman. Melman. Melman. It's the weirdest fucking name. His name is stupid. Melman. Melman and then his friend is Marty. So I'm like, you have two characters with the same, like, first letter in their name. Like, that's something you're not supposed to do when you're writing a story. Oh, it's easy.

Starting point is 00:36:20 Melman and Martin? No, Marty. Marty. Yeah, Melman, it's easy. We can't even fucking remember their names. I remember Melman's name because it was so stupid. And I hated the design of him. I hated the design of Gloria.

Starting point is 00:36:34 Yeah. Why? That was, there was something redeemable about the Penguin movie, is that the Penguin, are probably the best designed out of all of them because they're so simple out of the original characters in that movie was okay

Starting point is 00:36:45 yeah but like oh god the Marty and Marwin whatever the fuck his name is and um Gloria they looked so bad why did they look bad though I don't understand

Starting point is 00:36:58 they're blocky and their proportions were so weird whatever Merlin's fucking face was weird they kept to have a close-up on like Gloria's ass and like showing off Gloria's ass and how big it was

Starting point is 00:37:13 I'm like this is fucking weird why are you showing me this this is a children's film it was so fucking weird like who the fuck spent so much time rendering this hippo's ass well furries are everywhere

Starting point is 00:37:29 that might have happened but especially in the tech industry and animation what do you know yeah it's it's just lazy character design and I think

Starting point is 00:37:42 I think the reason why it's so blocky I think it was just to save money honestly because like when you look at like a lion's main

Starting point is 00:37:51 it's so much more work to you know have the hairs be either flowing or you know for the main to look realistic and I don't I just don't think they

Starting point is 00:38:03 wanted to put that much effort and money into the animation so they just had it be one big shaved block you know, one big fro or something. See, I don't, I quite like

Starting point is 00:38:15 some of the designs of the characters. Oh, no, you don't. Which ones? No, I do. You do? I like the weird blockiness and like their nostrils being that weird looks like plastic or something. Yeah. I don't like that. I hate that. I'm sorry. It's gross. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:31 It's visually unappealing in the same way that like Disney's new films are. No, no, no. Even as a kid, I did not like the design of these movies. I always thought the animation was just... Yeah, me too. A lazy and kind of uncomfortable.

Starting point is 00:38:47 Like, they went one step beyond being lazy and actually, like, kind of when they go like, ugh, this is kind of uncanny valley. Uncanny valley? Yeah. Fucking Merlin's neck. His fucking head would, like, fly around all the time. He's not a fucking...

Starting point is 00:39:03 I was like, oh my God. It was like a nightmare. It's like a David Lynch film. Yeah. Well, yeah, the first one's really bad, okay? Yeah. I've always hated the first one. I remember when it came out and I watched it on DVD.

Starting point is 00:39:17 It was like this. I really dislike this film and it's annoying and I want it to go away. Okay. All right. You haven't even seen the first one, Adam, so... But I think I did. Yeah. What would you give the first one, Alex?

Starting point is 00:39:34 Like a one. Yeah, that's what I'd give it to. One star, probably? Yeah, yeah. memory yeah in mind's one out of ten but yeah moving on to a let's just morph into the the real the real cream of the crop actually no I've changed my mind earlier but no not quite listen yeah Madagascar to escape no I couldn't figure out what the actual title is is it Madagascar escape to Africa I think so

Starting point is 00:40:02 to being to see what says on a Madagascar to escape to Africa with the two no it's being both it's Madagascar to Africa with the two It's Madagascar Escape to Africa. Yeah, it's Madagascar, Escape to Africa. Yeah, and I'm D, I'm D.B. Okay. Okay. So, Madagascar 2 was, uh...

Starting point is 00:40:18 No, it's not Madagascar 2. It's Madagascar. Escape to Africa. Madagascar Escape to Africa, written by, uh, the Cohen brothers. Wasn't it? One of the writers on it is something Cohen. Oh.

Starting point is 00:40:38 Oh, Ethan. Eton Cohen. Eton Cohen. Oh my god. I made that joke earlier for, uh, there was another film that was coming out and I had to do a double take on IMD like, what the fuck? I think it was like the Sherlock. Oh yeah, Holmes and Watson, Eton Cohen.

Starting point is 00:40:54 Oh my god. Written and directed by Fleton. It's got the, it's got the plot of Black Panther but with better CGI. That's Madagascar escape from New York or whatever. Ralph, you loved this one, didn't you? I mean, it's a little better. It's slightly better. It actually made me laugh, for one thing.

Starting point is 00:41:18 Did it make you laugh? Yeah. Like, like, some, like, chuckles. They were like five or six chuckles. Oh, like, what? Genuinely. Please, please do you share. Like, the plane scene.

Starting point is 00:41:30 We need to talk about the plane scene, okay? Yeah, go for it. Incredible it is. Sure. So the peak of that, that section. There's a... The penguins are trying to land, right? And the penguin says something along the lines of...

Starting point is 00:41:43 Wiggle the controlled stick as if you're smooching your sister. And then he like slams down really hard and it's like an incest joke. Oh. Do you miss that? I guess so. I guess I fucking missed it. Because I was having too much fun. Okay, great.

Starting point is 00:41:59 I'll make sure to watch it again for that joke. Yeah, it's a very dense film. You have to see it many times. Did you like the sort of New York slant they all have, especially in the second one with the like tourists that are there and they all start, they get stranded or whatever. Did that speech rile you up, Ralph? Did that speak to me? Yeah. Not really.

Starting point is 00:42:27 No. I mean, they were New Yorkers, but that was it. Like, I had no connection. But they're your people. Yeah, man. Yeah, my people. Oh yeah, that was another thing that annoyed me about the first one was the New York jokes all the time, like with all the

Starting point is 00:42:44 sports teams and stuff, I was like, I have no point of reference for this. At least when they're in Africa, it's like, there's just dumb jokes around other stupid shit. Yeah, that's true. So, I don't know with this movie. I don't know what to say. I hated it. I didn't, I didn't like it either. I didn't like it either. I thought it was bad, but I will acknowledge that it's better than three and one. I disagree with you.

Starting point is 00:43:13 I think three is the better film, but we'll get into that, I guess. Do you think three is, I think it's, I think it was a refreshing. Well, we'll get into that film for sure, but let's try to judge this on its own merits. I always thought the second one was actually, no, the debate within the Madagascar community is between two and three. Which one is a community? Which? Do you have your own forums? Do you have conventions?

Starting point is 00:43:36 Do you go to Madagascar conventions, Alex? Do you dress up as a lion? Anyway, yeah. No. No? It's not like Alex a lion really connects with me. Oh, no? Because of his name.

Starting point is 00:43:51 I'm done. Still, I really, oh, God. Anyway, yeah. I can't wait for the Alex fan art of you in a furry lion suit. I would like to see fan out of the Sardonicassee crew as Madagascar characters. I don't know who would be who. I guess I would be the zebra. I'm curious, Adam. No, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:44:13 I think you'd be the giraffe. No. Adam or me? Yeah. Well, I'll also be the lion. You'd be the giraffe. Why would I be the giraffe? I'd be Gloria.

Starting point is 00:44:23 Just kind of tall. Why'd you be Gloria? I reckon you'd be one of the penguins, Ralph. Yeah. Oh yeah? Okay. I'll be one of the penguins. Alright, I'll take my answer back. I want to be one of the penguins. No, but Adam, the Hans Zimmer did the music for...

Starting point is 00:44:35 did the music for all three of the movies yeah I'm I was wondering what you thought of the music it wasn't great especially in the second one it was I think it was probably well I'm I'm trying to the music was more distractingly bad in the second one when it came to the score and I think that's because of what yeah exactly like he had his fucking who also plays moto-moto the recently memed everywhere around the internet character Yeah. I think there, I found it like slightly kind of, you know, clever that they kind of reprised the I like to move it song as an orchestral. You did it like twice.

Starting point is 00:45:24 You thought that was weird. Well, no, yeah, it's whenever the lemur's talking. So it's like his own theme music. I'm like, okay, that's kind of, you know, it's a little subtle, you know. You can watch it without noticing. it, I had to find it out to my roommates, I guess, but... Who only watched the film with me out of pity, by the way. Same here.

Starting point is 00:45:42 Because I didn't want to be alone. And I said, misery loves company, and I bought them some food. Oh, that's nice. Did you notice the plot similarities with one of your favorite movies like that? Yeah, it pissed me off. It really pissed me off. I did. What's the angered you, did it?

Starting point is 00:46:00 Well, Ralph, you haven't seen it. It's the Lion King. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Those nuances wouldn't have struck you, would it? No, no, not really. Is Moto Moto like a direct tape from Lion King? No, there was no thick hippos in the Lion King, Ralph.

Starting point is 00:46:21 There's, yeah, they have Alec Baldwin's character as basically just a fucking knockoff scar, you know? It's like, I don't want to be the royalty. I'm going to set you up sort of thing. They gave him like green eyes and everything too He just looks like so much more of a douchebag His voice is more annoying It was the shittiest remake of Lion King Yeah

Starting point is 00:46:44 Just like horrible dialogue It wasn't like dramatic They were just like talking to each other Like oh I'm gonna take over No you're not It was so boring and predictable Like every single fucking beat of the movie I was just I was calling out

Starting point is 00:46:59 Before it happened I'm like Oh he's gonna do musical theater instead of an actual battle. And then everybody's going to think he's really weird. But then by the end of the movie, his dad's going to realize that musical theater actually does come in handy in some unique situation where it saves their lives. And then he's going to be okay with it. Like, fuck off.

Starting point is 00:47:19 It's so predictable and so formulated and so boring. The plot is there. It's just there. What plot? It's not the focus. Yeah, what plot exactly. It's not the focus of the movie. The focus of the movies mainly the jokes and the characters.

Starting point is 00:47:32 What jokes? right there was like one joke I like you know if it was actually a funny film it would be okay but the sense of humor was it really I um I liked when

Starting point is 00:47:44 his mama lion squished the firefly to turn out the light I was like ha that's kind of funny you know it's like a light switch but the rest of it was just absolutely unbearable

Starting point is 00:47:59 absolutely fucking infuriating infuriating infuriating, cringe-worthy, upsetting. Moto-Moto. That scene was one of the worst scenes I've ever seen. I like them be. I like him chunky.

Starting point is 00:48:14 His introduction where he comes in and there's that custom-made with I-Am- and he comes out of like the lagoon or whatever, and then it's a close-up on his ass as he's walking over to Gloria. Yeah, yeah. And then they play that song. He's lost some furious or something. Yeah, yeah. It was awful.

Starting point is 00:48:29 Did you miss the, uh, this subtle, nuances around what that whole relationship represented. Yeah, what it represent. Yes. His relationship with Gloria and how through their relationship, Gloria learned that there is more to attraction than just a physical, and there is, you need to care about and have a connection with someone who has a personality, which he didn't.

Starting point is 00:48:56 What an important message for little kids. Yeah. I'm so glad I'm a small fucking baby You know I'm so glad I've got the mind of a child Otherwise I might not have enjoyed this film There are three things that I mostly get out of This one and the third one

Starting point is 00:49:16 You want to know what they are? Sure Number one was They straddle this weird line of being So embarrassing Like so incredibly embarrassing that I can't believe that it's ever been made and like the fact that the filmmakers and like talented artists and people and writers

Starting point is 00:49:38 they came together and like this is what they came up with and then it's like it has this like fascinating thing going on where you can kind of tell how little of a fuck they give and to me that that can be really hilarious and then

Starting point is 00:49:56 every now and again there is a joke that's like either so out there and bizarre or so unfitting for like a kids movie that I find it to be just so incredibly hilarious it's like to me it's like watching the UK office or like peep show or something that is the humor comes from how just you can't believe what you're watching a lot of the time yeah there were definitely moments like that that made me laugh there's so much like really weird adult stuff going on like the penguins are always joking about like democracy And there's like a weird thing going on with the apes and them forming like a trade union and really bizarre stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:50:39 Well, I mean, this is like DreamWorks after they made Shrek, right? And Shrek was a huge success. And part of the reason why it was a huge success is because it was one of the bigger films, animated films that came out that was technically four kids. But it had jokes in there for adults as well. So this is obviously them trying to emulate that as kind of a formula, but just doing such a much worse job at it. you know like they're they're like ha ha we'll throw in some stuff that maybe the adults will laugh too but they did such a fucking terrible job with it i don't i didn't think any of it was funny i didn't you know like it whatever it's fucking cute penguins ha ha they act like mobsters tee

Starting point is 00:51:13 ha ha butts you know like it's just it's so infuriating and just i i can't i can't enjoy i wish i could enjoy it i think you're i think you're right alics that they didn't give a fuck and i don't find as much enjoyment in it because it's just like if you guys given a fuck you would have made a good movie and it would actually been funny and like I don't I wouldn't sit here I just I love the idea of like they're trapped into this franchise now with like the first one it's the first one kind of so why don't they fucking try and like no because it's like that it's like that Disney problem where it's like they they they create this franchise the first one was relatively cheap they make a ton

Starting point is 00:51:54 of money off it and it's like shit we have this fucking awful idea for a movie me and we've got to make sequels to it. That's like our business, we've got to do it. So then they're like, they scramble to come up with something to put together. And it's like... Right. And they could have put the money in and made a movie that was actually funny and clever. I mean, it doesn't have to be fucking Shakespeare, but actually write some funny jokes and be clever.

Starting point is 00:52:18 Nah. And there was nothing about this movie that was that. There were moments in there, like you said, Alex, that I liked. Mainly the penguins made me laugh out of anything. But it was just so... bad. One thing that I found very like, oh boy, about it was how

Starting point is 00:52:35 all the weird implications that come with the fact that it's set in like Africa. So it gives me flashbacks to, have you guys ever seen the second Ace Ventura movie? Maybe. I don't remember anything about. But there's this whole

Starting point is 00:52:52 plot is based around these like indigenous people. And Annette. And Jim Kerry was like really frightened about the film coming out and thought it was gonna get banned because he thought it was so like insulting to that kind of you know culture and whatever and the fact they like said it in Africa and they like they choose like Alex the Lion is voiced by Ben Stiller right the whitest guy

Starting point is 00:53:17 ever born yeah white the sky but both of his parents are like voiced by black people because they realized oh shit this is like set in Africa people might I don't know they might get offended or something if we have no actual like African voice actors or anything like that. And like the whole Gloria as well being like an obese hippo. And then the whole like community of them being like obese hippo people. Yeah. And they just want to fuck.

Starting point is 00:53:45 And like Marty has his thing going on where all of his like his race are all the exact same. Yeah. That was the most like most offensive thing to me. like now you could knock you're like a stereotypical Jew who's like oh I'm a doctor now my mama's gonna be so proud I can't say I was really like offended by anything like this is just this is just fucking dumb potty humor for kids sort of thing I don't think it was you know it's it's really difficult to try and take away any kind of like message from it yeah they put no thought into any of it and into the implications of what they were doing that's what

Starting point is 00:54:26 makes it hilarious to me. Yeah, and for you, that's really so funny, and I can see that. The one thing that bothered me about Chris Rock being like every zebra is like, there's no girls. Yeah. Do they, are they all gay? What's up with that? There's no girl zebras.

Starting point is 00:54:43 And that could also be construed in a, like, you know, offensive way too. Yeah. Yeah. What's up with that? I'm not unique anymore. Yeah. None of the like professionals and business-minded people that go through so much like testing and they show all these things to audiences and they get so much feedback because they're spending so much money animating this shit Not once any of that came up. That's all

Starting point is 00:55:11 Not one flag not one person watched it. It was like oh It's a different time too. This was god, when did this come out? 2008 so it's not that long ago and like 10 years ago. Yeah, but what? That's that long ago. I mean, over a decade ago. It's a different time. Yeah, I think I think I I don't know if I agree with you guys So much different like it it's just was popular I just think that most of the shit that appears in the movie is just whether the writers care or not they're thinking it's for kids and kids are dumb So we're just gonna have this dumb shit in the movie

Starting point is 00:55:47 You know that's that's that's what the movie screams at every every instance But if that if they gave that little of a fuck why would there be all the the weird adult jokes in there. Like, glorious things she's tripping and stuff. And even those, those aren't that well done. So there's something.

Starting point is 00:56:04 It was, I think they just didn't give a fuck. There was so many jokes in there that just devolved in a caca, poopoo pee pee pee humor. Ha ha ha, but, the most juvenile,

Starting point is 00:56:17 but, yeah. The penguin and the monkey man kissed. That's funny because they're boys. And boys are girls. It's so over. animated too. When two boys kiss, it's funny. Ha ha ha. There's not an ounce of subtlety to the animation or to their facial expression. Everything's over the top. Everyone's running around and moving and jumping all the time.

Starting point is 00:56:38 And it's just really annoying. Do anybody catch the Twilight Zone reference? Yeah, apparently there's one in the first and second one or something. Yeah. And it's what with the little little creature voiced by Andy Richter on the plane. Yeah. The reference isn't it? That was all right. Is it you actually like that?

Starting point is 00:56:58 Well, you know, it's a it's a reference I guess and I was I was I was laughing my ass off just picturing Adam That was miserable at his fucking mind watching like certain moments Yeah, like the like the there's that weird tonal shift at the beginning where it's it's like really serious and kind of wants to get you emotionally involved and then it like cuts to the future when they're on like a lift coming up and it's like a close up on all their like asses and then they sing I like to move it move it for three minutes straight yeah they're singing to that song I like to move it move it ha ha that's funny ha ha they're shaking their butts tee do you like Sasha Baron Cohen in this movie um these movies no he's another thing where it's like that accent that he does could be misconstrued as well like it's

Starting point is 00:57:53 Sure, but no one cares because it's him. Yeah. Yeah, true. It's just weird in a kid's movie, you know? It's not like one of his projects. That's true. Yeah. Why did they get him?

Starting point is 00:58:05 Because he can do a funny accent. It's funny because he has a funny accent and it's a boy that dresses up like a girl. Look, I'm a lady. Which one of you is attracted to me? Ha ha, ha, funny line. Boys aren't supposed to dress up like girls. Ha ha, ha.

Starting point is 00:58:18 Tee. Like, it's, I, it's not like, yeah, it's just, it's, I can't say, say I'm offended by it? It's just not funny. It's like where's the fucking joke? You know? Like, give me a joke in there. DreamWorks in particular has this kind of staple of stories and cliches they love going to. The main one that's been in most of the big franchises is, right, we've got to make a sequel. What can the main character do? Because they've already had some kind of arc in the first one, so we've got to do something new. Oh, their parents weren't touched upon. Let's have them be them finding, you know,

Starting point is 00:58:53 one of their parents or finding some truth out about their parents. No stone left that turn. Kung Fu Panda 3 does it. Has Training of Dragon 2 did it as well? And of course this movie did it too. Yeah, it's the formula they have, isn't it? Yeah. Yep.

Starting point is 00:59:10 And the one animated cliche that annoys me in every goddamn movie is when there's like a, some kind of forced conflict based around just hitting that point in the script where it's like, okay, now there needs to be a low point, so they need to argue. And the one with Marty and Alex in Madagascar too makes literally no sense. Yeah. That's all. Super fucking forced.

Starting point is 00:59:35 How could he ever genuinely get angry at like being mistaken for looking identical to the guy next to him where his whole, the first part of Marty's story is that he does look the same as all the others? And that's like really hammered home. So then he gets upset that someone notices that too and that's why they like have an argument. I can't believe you mistook me for somebody else that looks and sounds exactly like me. But what was the point of that? Like what was the social implications of that? That's the point in the story, isn't it? Of that has to be a low point.

Starting point is 01:00:11 Yeah. It's forced conflict. That's the only actual reason. It's just forced conflict. Just as forced as they had the fucking witch doctor, I'm going to die giraffe thing. Like, and that came out of fucking nowhere that was pulled out of their ass. But there could be like a subtext to that, but I don't even think they noticed it or cared. Like they just wrote it in and fucking moved on.

Starting point is 01:00:29 I think for what the Marty one, what they were going for was that so what, there are loads of people that kind of, you might feel like you're not unique, but you are? But he never, there's no arc to that, is there? He never like proves himself as unique. No, the actual, the, the resolution is that Alex the Lion. notices that he has a bite mark on his butt so he's able to tell who he is. Oh. Because that happened in the first movie.

Starting point is 01:00:57 Yeah. So that's what he learns. And then they kind of make up and then go along. Yeah. What a moral. And the Gloria Melman one is like a, well, I already covered what that one's supposed to mean. The Melman...

Starting point is 01:01:14 That one makes more sense though. Yeah. That one actually, I guess, has some kind of moral. He's a nice guy. Yeah. He's like an in-sell, yeah. Melman's character is that he's an insale for most of the movie. Why do girls always go for the chads?

Starting point is 01:01:28 He's such a nice guy. Yeah, the Motto-Moto-Moto-Chads. So I'm glad you guys really enjoyed it. Sounds like you got a lot out of it. Yeah, absolutely. The score, the themes of the movie, the jokes especially really connected with you guys. The animation, too, and the character designs you really liked. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 01:01:50 Yeah. Yeah. The performances? Did you like Ben Stiller? No. No, that's not the fucking voice I want to hear playing a fucking lion. Who do you want to hear? Who do you want to hear?

Starting point is 01:02:02 Well, obviously, Jeremy Irons, obviously, but... Oh, Jeremy Irons. Ben Stiller. He's too scary to be Alex the Lion. I know, I know. Like, the whole point is like, oh, he's theatrical. He's a fucking Broadway performer, but he's a lion. Ha ha.

Starting point is 01:02:19 Like, come on. It's just so. lazy and old. It gets old after five seconds. Yeah. I rate this one, a two out of five. I'm curious why you gave this one a whole star more than the first one. Because it was slightly funnier.

Starting point is 01:02:35 The animation was slightly better. Yeah. It was better than the third one. It was better than the third one, absolutely. I just wanted to make it clear that this one is better than the third and the first one. I'm not convinced stuff. watching the third one again. In my opinion.

Starting point is 01:02:55 Yeah. What did you give it, Adam? I'm very curious what you're... Rating it right now. Big Fett, two out of ten. Okay. Oh. Okay, so like a one star in letterbox.

Starting point is 01:03:06 Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I think it's incredibly fair. Do you want me to rate it fairly or out of my... I don't give a shit. Whatever you want. You probably give it five stars, right? Yeah. if I was being

Starting point is 01:03:20 if I was sat down and had to do it seriously like really seriously and had to think about it maybe maybe a two star with Ralph yeah

Starting point is 01:03:34 because the first one is like a one star to me because it's just so it's just such a bad idea so yeah I clearly enjoy a lot more things about it than you but yeah I I don't for some reason I'm not repulsed by it when I'm so easily repulsed by a lot of bad animated movies. Like I find

Starting point is 01:03:55 the illumination ones to be a lot more bland. That was it. Like I didn't think this one was obnoxious like the third one and the first one are. And it wasn't as like distracting the disgusting character designs and the second one as much as the first one for me. Maybe because I got used to it. But yeah, the first one definitely has illumination vibes to it. Just that's just that. That's lazy, um, laziness. Like cheap, rushed. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:24 This should be straight to DVD. Like, if you didn't give a fuck, then why are you releasing this in a theater? Okay, so move on to the third, Adam. So basically, the second one was like so fucking painful that it made me really discouraged. and I was like kind of postponing as long as possible to watch the third I was like fuck I guess I'm gonna have to watch it

Starting point is 01:04:54 and then when I watched the third I was actually I was pleasantly surprised I found it very refreshing I was much much more interested I think the third is easily the best one I think so too I was actually

Starting point is 01:05:08 thinking about how I'm I was glad that during the end of the last podcast I was like okay well we can watch both Because if it just stuck to two, that would have been just fucking awful. I wouldn't have had it I would have not enjoyed myself at all and and I was actually like honestly watching the second one I was like I can't even believe that you would you would like Choose that I'm like what are you fucking see in it really to me to me it's like it feels

Starting point is 01:05:39 Like it's not really that special like the third one I can understand because it's so bonkers and so detached from reality and and structure. Like, it's all over the place. It's so crazy that I'm like, okay, I get this. I understand why you would recommend this. But the second one, it's just like, bland, rehashed, garbage, nothing. Like, it's formulated and it feels like it could have been another movie, you know? It doesn't feel unique in that sense, whereas the third one definitely feels unique, at least.

Starting point is 01:06:12 I'd been going back and forward, and some of my friends, like, watched two and three recent. and some of them are saying yeah two is much better and the others were saying now three shit and it's like that's not really helping you come up with a yeah yeah after watching i watched them both today so they were fresh um i think the three is significantly better as you said it's just it's so bizarre like it really is odd like they they've they've fully embraced the not giving a shit in terms of like that that being their number one rule and and actually having fun with it yeah they actually had fun with it is the difference compared to like the first one yeah like now especially the first like 20 minutes that they're so it's just so mad and they just don't care about anything and there's

Starting point is 01:06:58 that i really like that that chase sequence with the uh the woman the like uh the police detective woman francis macdormand she's like franzas mcdormand captain dubois i said she's like this She was a fun character. She's like running through walls and jumping off buildings and there's this like sniffing their fucking trail. Yeah, animated like an insect or something at points. They really just went full in and they must have just told the animators that you know what you're working on. Just make this as visually interesting as possible as you can.

Starting point is 01:07:36 Let's think of something nuts we can do here. And yeah, I think that that it does work in spades and another, thing I really like is like they weirdly acknowledge a few times because a lot of the movie is based in this circus the the main thrust of the movie is they join a circus and they've got to impress the American like you know producer so then they can be sent over to New York and they address multiple times in the movie how that plan makes no sense yeah at all like considering the context of why they're there and it literally is just so they can have a circus sort of backdrop but there's this really weird subplot with the tiger voiced by Brian Cranston who he's got to like he's got PTSD

Starting point is 01:08:22 basically from his his weird circus act where he's got to jump through smaller and smaller rings and he had it's like his story is like a typical circus kind of story you could see where it's like oh I don't want to be I don't want to be in the circus anymore

Starting point is 01:08:38 or do that risky act anymore because it once upon a time went wrong Yeah, but they make what his act is so, so strange. Yeah, and like, it's bonkers. It's just not, yeah, it's completely nuts. It's not based in any kind of physical reality. Exactly. It's just so, so strange.

Starting point is 01:08:57 That's why I enjoyed it. It's because, like, this was, this was, like, a step towards something like a town called panic where just funny things happen for no reason, and that's part of the joke, right? Like, it's just absurdity. It doesn't take itself as seriously, not to say that, like, the first, two films are like serious films but I think for what it's going for it works much better when they don't even try to be grounded in reality and they're like yep this is this is a crazy dumb kids movie all this weird shit's going to happen but that's part of the charm you know like I actually

Starting point is 01:09:30 didn't hate this one as much by far I still didn't enjoy it overall like it's still kind of bad but it's it wasn't painful it wasn't like an infuriating experience. I thought it kind of was. I thought it kind of was painful. Really? Yeah. Yeah. That's fascinating.

Starting point is 01:09:49 As a whole, I think the second one is funnier than this one. I think this one has maybe the worst jokes of all of them. Really? The Afro circus thing was like horrible. That was painful.

Starting point is 01:10:02 The Katie Perry, what is that? Firework is one of her songs and they kept playing it. They were like these long musical numbers of just that. I despise the choice of that song specifically, but I kind of like the visuals that go along with it. Because again,

Starting point is 01:10:16 it's not, it's not an actual circus act. It's just, yeah, it's just a bunch of crazy visuals. Like, where the hell am I? But that's all the movie was. It was just crazy visuals the entire time. And then I got 10 minutes into the movie and I'm like, okay, I would actually like something to happen and for there to be a story and for things to fucking make sense. And nothing did. So I didn't think it was that funny. And it was literally just nonsense for, for 90 minutes and then it ended and if you find that more entertaining are you implying that the other films had like stories they barely slightly more not really yeah slightly more the story in this one is much more

Starting point is 01:10:56 interesting honestly it was yeah because I had because it's not just recycled I mean the story you know it's not recite it like I the reason why this is something you've seen a billion times it's not it's not it's not It was an actual It was a unique experience Like sure there's formulated aspects to it and it's stupid It's hell is stupid But like it's it's not

Starting point is 01:11:22 The second film had nothing to offer in terms of Any sort of new experience for me It's just like this is the second movie is exactly how I would imagine A shitty kids movie to be And it felt like it could have been something that wasn't Madagascar Also It could have been any one they just completely gave up and they had no story and they didn't do anything.

Starting point is 01:11:46 I would say no story though. Let's fucking animate and do crazy shit for 90 minutes and that was it. And I didn't find any of it that funny. I found a lot of it obnoxious. I thought the characters were way more obnoxious than they were in the second one. Really? I think it has the bare essentials to make a story work in terms of there is some kind of pressure or threat that's kind of hunting them down and chasing them. So there's some vague tension. Oscar Winter Francis McDormick. There was that. Doing a really shitty accent. She's just hamming it up completely, which is quite fun to watch.

Starting point is 01:12:24 She's the best part of this movie is that character. Yeah, I think so. I had a lot of fun with that character. I found it. So I always watch movies with subtitles. I'm not sure that I would understand what the fuck she was saying if I didn't have subtitles, especially if I were a kid. The way she talked was so weird.

Starting point is 01:12:44 It was like incomprehensible at points. Yeah, I didn't really have an issue with that. You know, it's funny, though? The, so I have the Blu-Rays. I got the Blu-Rays of the second and third film. The second film, the subtitles are completely inaccurate. Pretty much the whole movie. On their, like, the official Blu-ray,

Starting point is 01:13:02 like, a line would say something like, when you're bigger, you'll grow up to be a... an alpha lion just like your daddy and then the subtitle will say instead of just like your daddy it'll say just like me and all I'm thinking is like if there was a kid that was like learning how to read and using this movie they'd be fucked

Starting point is 01:13:20 because like pretty much every fucking three subtitles there's yeah it's the entire thing is just super inaccurate and I don't know why and that was on their official Blu-ray the third one was completely accurate the third one didn't have that issue

Starting point is 01:13:36 oh that's good oh so that's the second one I'll consider that into my reading. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I, um, the third one improved on a lot of things, you know, it was much more visually interesting, you know, it, they, it felt like they tried to make a much more unique experience, you know, they tried to make something much more, I guess not like engaging from a, uh, conflict perspective, but engaging from an entertainment perspective, at least,

Starting point is 01:14:07 in my opinion. They very much improved on the character designs. Every new character that shows up in the film, it's like, hey, it's like kind of the same style, but not nearly as ugly, you know? Like, even like the sea lion or whatever. Yeah, he has a dopey looking dumb face, but it's kind of like cute and endearing in a way. It's not like, ew, please get away. It's not like, I want to crush it with my foot being like, ew, kill it, you know? They very much improved on that.

Starting point is 01:14:38 really funny to see that in this film because the old character designs of the original characters are still there. And not only that, I don't know what kind of like set up you guys watched your ears on, but like what I was watching the Blu-ray and it was like upscale to 4K, like still 1080P native. But I noticed that like the original characters, like the four main cast members, they looked like they had lower quality textures than the new characters too. It's like they literally just like pulled them from the second film didn't update their textures at all and then just like put them into the new movie meanwhile all the new characters have have like updated you know new current textures and models you know but but i think that goes with everything

Starting point is 01:15:26 to do with these main characters is that in all of these films they are the least interesting aspects of the movie they're the worst designed they're the worst written they're not funny like everyone else is way more interesting than them and we usually end up talking about other characters instead of them because they're so like dull and ugly and just weird why do you think everyone attached themselves to the penguins and they got their own movie

Starting point is 01:15:54 because the penguins are funnier it's kind of like despicable me where it's like the main characters in it are so so uninteresting and then they're like oh we don't even need them anymore let's just make a minion movie then That's what the people actually want. Let's just filter it down for them. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:11 This is way better than those. Gru is not that bad of a character, though. He's okay in the first one, I suppose. Gru is better than any of these guys. But I think the minions are way worse than the penguins. Yeah. Despicable me. Yeah, I'm not going to watch that ever, so.

Starting point is 01:16:29 I really don't like minions. Does anyone? Well, yeah, their merchandise sales, would imply that people love them. A lot of old people. Here I am being ages again. Old people love minions for some reason. No.

Starting point is 01:16:47 You have no idea. Young people. Old people love minions because they know young people love minions. I know old people love them, but young people love them too. No, like old people think they're marketing minions to old men? Come on. It's more like grandmas. It's like when they have like minion Christmas decorations that grandma's that

Starting point is 01:17:06 grandmas can buy because they know that kids little babies love them and they're like I want the little babies to love me it's like handing out candy all the time you know it's like I'm gonna have minions themed everything because I know the kids will love me and you know what there's honestly a lot of people that unironically think it's funny also

Starting point is 01:17:22 there's a lot of adults who unironically love the minions humor I know my grandparents love them oh well then your grandparents love them I thought you were contradicting that earlier. You said that old people don't love them. You just literally said your

Starting point is 01:17:40 grandparents. Oh no, my grandparents love the minions. But I'm saying they're not marketing minions to old people. They're marketing it to kids and then old people want kids to like them. Well, yeah, I never Yeah, they have minions stuff. I don't really think we disagree then. Yeah, we argued about nothing.

Starting point is 01:17:57 Point of the point of the day is that these Madagascar movies are fucking awful. I give this one one out of five. We're not seriously. Fuck you, Alex, for making me watch them. not more to discuss about the third film I hated the third one I can't believe you hated it so much

Starting point is 01:18:14 I did I thought it was fucking nonsense it's the least hateable that's why I hated it the most because it was trying to be the least hateable oh look at the Katie Perry music and we're just going to be stupid and have no story and fucking anime a bunch of bullshit for 90 minutes it was nothing to it it's a bad choice

Starting point is 01:18:32 but it's no different to the way they use I like to move it move it or Will I.M's music in the second one. It's like the same thing. Wasn't I like to move it, move it written for the movie? No. I don't think so, no. No?

Starting point is 01:18:44 I'm pretty sure that song existed in the 90s. Yeah. Well, again, I saw when I was kid, I thought they just came up for, came up. Yeah, I think they've just kind of absorbed it. But hey, you know what? They owned it. They owned it. They owned it.

Starting point is 01:18:58 They definitely owned that song. Yeah. And there was nothing like that in this one. It was so just thrown in. Yeah, you know, I, I, I, I, can't say that like just the those two katie perry moments where obviously it's like near the end of the movie i can't say that that's like representative of the film as a whole you know there there's there was actually a music choice in this film that i that i was kind of impressed by they had an edith piaf song the um jenna regretta ryan or whatever yeah yeah that was so weird i was like wow this is kind of interesting

Starting point is 01:19:32 it was a weird choice it was a i wasn't expecting that in a madagascar film And there's that other very strange sort of subplot where What they choose to make King Julian do Oh yeah In like an abusive relationship with a with a circus bear Yeah That's like just basically like Just taking advantage of like a mentally handicapped person

Starting point is 01:19:56 I guess You probably could interpret it that way I suppose I like I like how they took the whites out of the bear's eyes to be like this one's not as anthropomorphic this one doesn't understand English it's just a drolling idiot that was weird

Starting point is 01:20:14 my theory as to as to why this movie might be a bit better in terms of just overall everything it is for some reason Noah Bomback being credited as as a on the screenplay yeah like I think

Starting point is 01:20:30 I think what they would have done is they would have written a movie like identical to the first and second ones and then he probably would have done a treatment on it and just that amount of work probably made the difference in terms of i bet his idea was like the the tiger's little subplot and just weird kind of out there stuff like that yeah it was hilarious i think it's funny that the the whole um conflict uh of the tiger accidentally lighting himself on fire i looked it up apparently extra virgin olive oil is not really flammable i think i think what they i think what they meant to to

Starting point is 01:21:05 say it was like grease. If they had like grease, he greased himself up and maybe that would have worked better. But I mean, he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna douse himself in like gasoline or anything. So maybe that could have been misconstrued as being like too sexual or something if he's like dowsing himself and some kind of slippery. He's already doing it with extraversion olive oil. Maybe it's just the language. I don't know how the like filtering works and maybe they did have that originally. He was like bathing and fucking olive oil. So you get slipped through a tiny hole. Jesus, I suppose being put it like that, they were, yeah, if you took those screen, those like sequences out of context and just showed them someone and you told them like, this is a metaphor for something. Yeah, for anal-vore.

Starting point is 01:21:53 What's funny is there is anal-vore in this film. The kid gets anally vored by the elephant. Yeah. That was fucked up. That was really fucked up because normally they show, normally they show like, like, sort of. some kind of consequence like the kid, oh no, the kid's fine or whatever, but they never cut back to it. No, they never come back to that kid again. He died. A half hour after that happened, my friends are like, what happened to that kid? We never come back to him. He's dead. He's probably dead. There's people that have died that way. Isn't that fucked up?

Starting point is 01:22:23 Oh, I kind of, yeah. By being sat on by elephants. Yeah, like, yeah, look it up. It's fucked up. But there's people that died that way. You sort of deserve it for, you know, well, that's how that kid died. That was funny. That was probably, but the only laugh I got. He had very powerful lungs and was able to to make this elephant distressed by shooting popcorn at it through a straw from across the stadium.

Starting point is 01:22:50 Oh yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. You know, this film debuted at the Cannes Film Festival? I mean, so did the B-movie. So did, like, Cars 3. Emoji movie. They're not in competition.

Starting point is 01:23:03 I think emoji movie did. Surely not the emoji movie. Yeah. I mean, it's not that uncommon. Fucking Star Wars Solo premiered at Cannes. It's just not in competition. Yeah, well, this movie has like a big

Starting point is 01:23:17 European theme too, so that's probably why that's true, I suppose. Yeah. It's like, is anyone actually going to that festival to seriously try and get an early scoop on Madagascar 3? Sure, why not? You meet some celebrities.

Starting point is 01:23:29 Probably Chris Rock was there and whoever the fuck the rest of these people are. Ben Stiller, Jada Plankett Smith. and what's his face David Schwimmer Melman

Starting point is 01:23:41 yeah David Schwimmer I really yeah I think Melman's like my least favorite character out of the four

Starting point is 01:23:49 he's really annoying why Melman he's annoying I hate his voice I mean all four of them are really unlike they're all super annoying I know

Starting point is 01:23:56 it's tough to pick yeah it is tough to pick which one is the most unlikable maybe they should combine them all

Starting point is 01:24:04 into just one animal for the next one because this Madagascar 3 did insanely well. It's the highest grossing out of all of JimWorks movies aside from the Shrek franchise. Really? Okay, great. Wow. Just Madagascar 3, yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:18 You know what, Gloria might be my least favorite. Just because it's like, you have... Yeah, I think Gloria's mine. Because you, in most of these movies, there's like a strong female character for like the girls to relate to. And that's nice. And this movie, it's like, okay, you just have this obnoxious, um, ugly, fucking annoying woman who wants to get sexed up all the time and is always talking about men

Starting point is 01:24:39 there's not a single scene where she's not talking about men or wanting to hook up with men or whatever the fuck in that second one especially in Madagascar too. It's really bad. A bit of a yikes moment, yeah. One female guy, and that's what she does. She's like, I might join the breeding program.

Starting point is 01:24:58 Holy fuck, guys. Yeah, that's what makes her the worst for me. That's really just raw and offensive. Yeah, yeah, I think I'm with you. that one. I'm amazed they haven't made a new one since. 2012 it came out and it made that much money. I think they were going, it was

Starting point is 01:25:14 scheduled for 2018, but it'll happen. I think DreamWorks they were bought by some company. Weren't they bought by Universal or something? So I think they rescheduled. They made that Penguins movie too, and that didn't do all that well. No, the Penguins movie kind of flopped

Starting point is 01:25:30 in a while. Yeah, so that's probably what made them stop. That didn't do too well. Because they weren't dancing and shaking their butts. I think the penguins movie's probably better then, right, because it's a little too much for the kids to comprehend. But, I mean, that was probably better than the Madagascar movies. You reckon? All of them. Yeah, the Penguins movie?

Starting point is 01:25:49 I just find it really fascinating how Adam really hated the second one, but found something to like in the third one. Yeah. Kind of liked parts of the second one, but hated the third one in the same way, Adam hated the second. That's really odd. Yeah. What is it about this series?

Starting point is 01:26:05 everyone has one where it's like no that that one had some decent bits and the other one is totally hopeless it's a very divisive series but I don't like any of them I want to make that clear I think all of them are bad I just like the second one slightly more

Starting point is 01:26:21 yeah is that all we have to say about Madagascar 3 I guess so sounds like it what's your rating my rating you're rating Adam it's a fourth

Starting point is 01:26:35 Four out of ten. Okay, so a couple of stars more. They improved the entertainment aspect for me. They improved the character design. You know, it's a lot more interesting for me. Yeah, I'd probably give it maybe a two and a half or a three star. Oh. Yeah, around the same, but, you know, the meme and everything.

Starting point is 01:27:02 But yeah, it does improve in every way. I thought the pacing was way better. It's visually way more interesting. The second one is kind of flat in terms of how they kind of block everything and storyboard everything. It's not a lot of color either. Yeah, the second one in particular had like really bland color palette. But the third ones, yeah, it's just nutty, colorful, trippy at points, very odd and weird. And the kind of thing you wouldn't really expect.

Starting point is 01:27:30 I think the second one The second, Madagascar 2 is exactly how it looks You know, if you saw a trailer for that movie You'd be like, yeah I know everything about that movie Exactly, I've called the whole fucking thing Before it was even like 20 minutes through

Starting point is 01:27:45 Yeah, but at least it was something It wasn't just fucking nonsense for 90 minutes Which is what the third one was I didn't think it is complete nonsense though There is something holding it together I would rather have nonsense over nothing The second movie was nothing And honestly...

Starting point is 01:28:00 I don't think it was nothing. It was just bland. If I could have seen Madagascar 3 and some big IMAX screen, it probably would have been quite entertaining in terms of like a visual sort of journey. So... Yeah. Yeah. That's my justification anyway.

Starting point is 01:28:17 Mm-hmm. What was yours, Ralph? What, one? Yeah, one out of five for Madagascar 3. I want a story to keep me going and I want characters I give a fuck about and that movie didn't give me any of that. And neither did two, but at least two was funnier

Starting point is 01:28:32 and not as obnoxious. Didn't you give the Penguins movie a one though as well? Did I? I mean, you're not fucking... I watched that one like, I think last week. Let's see. Anyway, uh, yeah, that's the Madagascar trilogy. Good job, everybody.

Starting point is 01:28:52 You did it, Alex. You finally did it. There it is. I'm glad. I'm glad everyone can experience. Madagascar three, I guess, because we've kind of decided to as some questionable things. You might find it funny. I've seen lots of comments from people that find it funny as fuck.

Starting point is 01:29:11 I still don't find it so so out there and weird and inappropriate that I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Yeah. There's a Christmas Madagascar movie called Merry Madagascar. Should we see that? Merry Madagascar. That can be like extra credit for those really invested. Yeah, for the hardcore fans. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:29:32 Want to get all the achievements. We ready for some questions? I guess so. Right. Okay, so if you want to leave your own questions for Saddamas, go over to the Reddit, and there's a thread that Ralph would put at the top. We'll start this one with Moloko PLS. Who are some of your childhood character crushes?

Starting point is 01:29:54 Oh, fuck. He asks. God damn. I think most people wanted to know yours. Yeah. Well, this is an animal question. Oh, no. This is embarrassing.

Starting point is 01:30:04 But fuck it. Don't be embarrassed. Well, yeah, well, that's the story of my fucking life, man. Yeah, I, I, I, you can say childhood, but it's really like current day also. Scar from the Lion King. Number one, number one crush for me. That's why I always mention him. Yeah, maybe.

Starting point is 01:30:28 It doesn't make sense now. That's why you love Jeremy Irons. And my second place is Garras from Mass Effect. And I've recently realized that both of them have scars on their face, which is strange. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:44 So, I mean, it is a little fucking weird, but can't help it. No one controls their interests or desires, right? I wouldn't say it's weird It's pretty fucking weird Let's be honest Like you're trying to be nice Yeah I know Yeah I know

Starting point is 01:31:10 Yeah Ralph Mine? I don't know I guess Lila Lila from Futurama That's a good answer I always preferred Amy

Starting point is 01:31:24 In that out of that show Amy? No I like Lila's one eye That was interesting. That was the one thing It was otherworldly. It adds a level of intrigue. You fucking freak. Amy was like, yeah, basic.

Starting point is 01:31:36 Whatever. Gross, dude. All right. Lion boy. Mine's like a really random one that I had a strange obsession with. The mum from the Iron Giant I really liked when I was younger.

Starting point is 01:31:54 What? I don't know why. Yeah. I really, really into that one for some reason. I was like obsessed with that movie I watched it all the time Annie Hudges Annie Hughes

Starting point is 01:32:03 Is that her name? Oh yeah she's kind of cute Did you just Google it? Yeah I haven't seen that movie in so long Okay Oh really That's got some nice active designs in there

Starting point is 01:32:14 That's pretty fucking normie Brough Okay Okay What's like a weird one Oh you have weird ones At your disposal too I'm just trying to think

Starting point is 01:32:26 If there is one Oh, no, it's too annoying. I'm too much of an or noam. I'm sorry. Honestly, loads of those 90s, early 2000s, animated movies. They had some really, like, suggestive and, like, sexual character designs.

Starting point is 01:32:42 I don't know if you guys have seen... Like, Eldorado. You seen that movie? Road to El Dorado. That's a dreamt movie, speaking of. Yeah. Yeah, the Road to Eldorado. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:49 There's, like, the female character, the main character in it. She's, like... The animators really had fun with her. You can tell. Yeah. And it's like an implied, like, BJRabbit. The, what's her name?

Starting point is 01:33:02 Jessica. Yeah. What's her name? Jessica Rabbit. Like, Lola Bunny from Space Jam? Like, what the fuck? Yeah. Alex, uh, check the Twitter chat for a second.

Starting point is 01:33:11 When you get a chance. Um, but yeah. She was a very suggestive. Lola Rabbit. Is that her name? Lola Bunny, I think. Lola Bunny. Oh God.

Starting point is 01:33:23 Save that for later. That's funny. I looked up mom from Iron Giant. That's what came up. Oh, God. Oh, there's like, there's like cosplay of her too. Really? I'm sure.

Starting point is 01:33:36 I'm not alone. I never went to that level. This is a huge community. Honestly, when you're that age, if there's something you like, I mean, you just attach yourself to everything. I remember I really liked, um, in that Teen Titan show, I, like, loved Starfire. I was in love with Starfire. How sad is that? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:56 So sad. brah so sad i'm sorry don't just don't call me a normie again please it's fine okay let's do a serious one all right no tam d asks in an age of important movies what's a movie you think people need to see as in a movie you urge people to watch because it carries some sort of political or social message or portrays an important lesson in philosophy identity psychology etc Mountain. It's quite a big one. Yeah, do one that's not the Holy Mountain.

Starting point is 01:34:31 Yeah, I would think that is a really good answer. Some historical relevance is what I would pick. Like, I would pick Schindler's List or... I mean, philosophy was in the question. Philosophy? Why isn't Holy Mountain? Well, I think history is a big part of philosophy. Like, a lot of what happened in the world already kind of shapes your philosophy.

Starting point is 01:34:52 And I think making a powerful movie about a historical event is like, the most like profound thing you could recommend to somebody that's how I feel about it. I think the Holy Mountain is a really good choice though because it kind of touches on on a bunch of them. I just wanted to hear another one. Well then Synecdkegee New York. I mean like those are my favorite movies ever and for you know part of the reason why I love them so much is because it encourages introspection and self-reflection and I think that those are very important things to be doing like it's important to be self-critical in question. You yourself question your mind you know like these are all values that I I hold really highly

Starting point is 01:35:31 and not you know they're great films regardless but in terms of I guess message and philosophy which like the question was asking about right like those would be at the top for sure mm-hmm yeah that's that's a good one for me I would choose if we're talking about sort of identity and social messages I really like American beauty for that I think that you can get a lot from that movie in terms of like the American dream and your hopes and everything like that but Kevin Spacey's in it. It does a good job of spent

Starting point is 01:36:04 yeah it's a documentary I watched it's yeah it is very odd the the kind of parallels with his real life yeah but I rewatched it like a month or two ago but I didn't find it that distracting whereas I rewatch seven and I found it kind of distracting in that movie of some reason but not as

Starting point is 01:36:20 much in American beauty don't know why yeah I don't know I can't explain it yeah I've Schindler's list is mine. That's what I'd go for. Nice. Okay. Moral of the story, don't kill Jews. It's bad. Well, there's more to it than that. I know, I know. No, that is a great movie, a great fix, though. Ken 199 asks,

Starting point is 01:36:47 What movie made you depressed for a long time, if any? Ooh. Dear Zachary. Same answers? to Zachary the same answers yeah I have one that kind of left me quite disturbed for a while it was um

Starting point is 01:37:03 nocturnal animals I really like the movie but it it did kind of yeah upset me quite a lot which means it did leave quite an impression yeah and that's a good one because of

Starting point is 01:37:15 yeah because of just the setup of the movie the thing that is so disturbing kind of didn't actually happen but it's still so effective and people who have seen it will understand what I mean, but that's a really unique one. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:37:29 Yeah, I totally get what you're saying. I need to re-watch that for sure. Absolutely, I do too now. Now that you mention it. Yeah, I want to see it again as well. Did you have any others? I just had one, but I forgot it. You've actually scared me with this dear Zachary thing,

Starting point is 01:37:49 because you bring it up whenever it's like, yeah, if you want to be miserable. You guys, have neither have you seen it, by the way? No, I'm scared of watching it. It's been in my watch this for ages. I'm scared of it. I don't know. Like, I could recommend it, but then would it just be a fucking sad podcast?

Starting point is 01:38:03 Like, like what? Would it like destroy all the entertainment? Would we no longer be joking the entire fucking episode? I kind of feel like I would. Yeah, like. But you do whatever you want. Yeah. I have a, I have something that upset me for a while.

Starting point is 01:38:17 It's a TV show. Season 3 of Game of Thrones, episode 9. It's an episode called The Raines DeCastomere. That's what got me. I can't say what happens because that's a spoiler, but that shit made me be in a bad mood for like a week. Yeah, that's it. That's a... I'm trying to remember. The red wedding. The red wedding. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the spirit. That's the spirit factor. It's a brutal scene. Yeah, that is really brutal. That's an awful scene. Game of Thrones actually

Starting point is 01:38:51 gave me that feeling quite a lot. A few times. Yeah, quite consistently. End of season 1. End of season 6. Fucking hell. So much. It's a great show. Anyway.

Starting point is 01:39:02 Krabbins X.D. asks, what's the worst sentence of dialogue in cinema history? What pops into your head? Hmm. The bat credit card. The bat credit card.

Starting point is 01:39:16 Yeah. It's very corny, isn't it? Yeah. Some of the dialogue from Unfriended. The glitch just typed. And what is it is a dark web? What is a troll? Anything to do a dark web, yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:29 Yeah, dude, this is dark web. There's like, uh, the movie nerve. Or wait, no, it wasn't nerve. It was, um, oh my God, I got obvious. It was, uh, what's it called? Wish upon, you dig on multiverses. Or like, when she, when she calls the character, like, her bully, she's like, you're just like smegma.

Starting point is 01:39:49 And then she reads the dictionary definition of smegma. Mm-hmm. She says you are smegma Yeah You're smegma That doesn't make sense I'm changing my answer to It ain't no easy grab

Starting point is 01:40:01 But they got T That's obviously the answer That's obviously my answer That line is awful Father It might be It might be an easy Low Blow

Starting point is 01:40:12 But there's There's a certain line In Attack of the clones That Jarja says It's just two words He's going to like Present in front of all of the like the whole political zone

Starting point is 01:40:25 of the whole world or whatever the whole universe or however that works but he says delo feligates instead of fellow delegates oh no dello fetigates it's one of those lines that people don't really talk about for some reason

Starting point is 01:40:39 and it's like Jesus Christ George Lucas and it's in like the scene where that like triggers such a huge expansive change in the whole universe and that's how he starts it great Jesus

Starting point is 01:40:51 and speaking of all that like dark web stuff um i watched the like new record ralph recently and that has some really bad dialogue it was almost like emoji movie tier did you watch it all the way through let's go to ebay i love oh my god it was so so embarrassing did you watch the whole thing can i yeah i watched the whole thing it was yeah it was way worse than i i even looked to me yeah that's the only uh Oscar nominated animated feature this year that I haven't seen yet and I don't think I'm going to make it very far if I try

Starting point is 01:41:28 It certainly doesn't deserve it Especially with the competition it has It just does not deserve a nomination It's insulting Yep I guess it's a Disney movie though Woo Okay

Starting point is 01:41:42 Thick boy Thick Boy 42069 shit Really great name If you could delete any movie from existence, what would it be? Actually get rid of one. Actually get rid of one. Eradicate one. It just doesn't exist.

Starting point is 01:42:06 I'd say Twilight. Twilight? Well, like the whole series. No, just keep the sequels. Yeah, well, if I get rid of the first one. Yeah. They make the sequels, but not the first. No, because if I get rid of the first one, then there goes all of them.

Starting point is 01:42:19 And then there goes the whole young adult novel craze that was going on. and then probably 50 shades of gray wouldn't get made. Yeah. Yeah. That's fit better. I'm happy with that pick. That's like an expansive web of choices with that one choice. It eradicates so much shit.

Starting point is 01:42:38 Right. That's how you got to think. If you got rid of, let's say, Laura of the Rings one, you'd get rid of the Lord of the Rings movies. You'd get rid of the Hobbit movies. The Hobbit movies. Yeah. I was less creative with my choice.

Starting point is 01:42:52 I was just wanted to get rid of that garbage pale kids movie. That's a good choice. That's an insulting film. And nothing in the world would be different if it didn't exist. So, yeah, that would be a better world. It would factually be a better world. I rewatched it recently. We shut it off 40 minutes in.

Starting point is 01:43:13 It was unbearable. We got to the song. Yeah, I don't know. Because if I, if I choose a movie that I, really despise and opinionated on, then I probably made a review on it, and then, like, what, I wouldn't have been able to make my video, I guess.

Starting point is 01:43:30 So, I don't know. Madagascar 2. Fuck it. Like, I don't know. No, why not do the first one? But there's Madagascar. Madagascar. Well, then we wouldn't get Madagascar 3.

Starting point is 01:43:40 Yeah, which you actually think is a little better. Yeah. Exactly. So you got to pick a series that's just like... Oh, Transformers is a good one. I'd get rid of Transformers, if I could. Because that probably stopped, like, the Ninja Turtle movie.

Starting point is 01:43:52 as well and all that. Yeah. Those battleship. Yeah. You want to choose something that's not gonna, because some people do enjoy some of these movies so it's like removing something that people really like. Whereas like no one genuinely loves the Garbage Pail Kids movie. That's what I mean, but like not affecting anything.

Starting point is 01:44:11 But I'm sure like a lot of 12 year old girls are quite attached to Twilight when that came out. It might've... Aw. Oh well. You've ruined their whole childhood. They could find something else. Yeah, they'll just watch...

Starting point is 01:44:22 read the books. The Twilight Box are still around. They'll read those. I suppose. Yeah, I guess so. They'll make a Twilight TV show instead on the CW. That's where I would go, the CW. We have a really interesting one, but I'm not sure if you guys want to talk about it or not. I don't know if I should edit this bit out just to check or not, if you guys are okay talking about it. It was just something to do with drugs and drug experiences.

Starting point is 01:44:52 and, you know, how it affects, like, movies and stuff. It's like a little paragraph I was going to read, but... Sure. Yeah, I just wanted to check before going in. Yeah. Yeah, just see what you think if I read it. So this one's from Littley CCE, who says, I remember that in one of the episodes,

Starting point is 01:45:12 Adam said that he would like to have a segment on the podcast about drugs. What were your first drug experiences, what drugs have you done, and what's some insights you have on certain drugs in general? Are there any instances where taking substances altered how you perceived a film you had seen before sober? If so, what film and how did being under the influence change your perception of the film? Should you guys go first? I guess I haven't done a lot. Mine's going to be a little fucking ramble, I guess.

Starting point is 01:45:43 Sure, I haven't done a lot. Alcohol and marijuana, that's about it. Yeah, I'm the same. I've never gone further than that. I did, um, what's that thing? Salvia? I tried that once. I fucking hated that. What? Salvia.

Starting point is 01:45:58 Salvia is like the most powerful, natural hallucinogen, right? Something like that. It lasts like 15 minutes or less, but... Yeah, it was fucking horrifying. Yeah. They were like, I was like, there was a fucking, like, alien from another universe sitting next to me. I was like, yeah. There's like rarely ever any good trips, but kids do it because it's funny.

Starting point is 01:46:17 And, uh, in many places, it's, uh, actually legal. because I think natives used it for like spirit journeys or something and so there would be like weird implications if they banned it Right What was it called salvia? Yeah salvia

Starting point is 01:46:31 All right I've never heard of that one Yeah I'll send you the rest of mine You look up videos on the internet Of guys having it like rice and there's like different levels of it too So there's like 10x and then there's 200x 200x is like the most powerful one You look up some of those

Starting point is 01:46:50 Oh man there's a lot of plus There's a lot-up videos of people doing Delvia. There's the guy that, like, jumped out of his window and shit. My God. It's a lot of... It's a lot of... It's a lot of... It's very extreme.

Starting point is 01:47:01 Oh, it's like a Mexican plant. That's probably why I haven't heard of it. I don't know if it can make it sway over here very easily. Oh, yeah. But yeah, that's it. It's never really altered... I never watch movies high unless I've seen the movie already, really. Or it's like a really bad movie.

Starting point is 01:47:16 It can make movies that you, you know, don't like... more enjoyable just because, you know, colors and swirling images and whatnot. Because you're not, that it can do. You have a different capacity of thinking, so. Yeah. Like watching 2001 high is a great experience. Because you really just feel like... That end segment almost seems like designed for it.

Starting point is 01:47:40 Yeah. Didn't it make a bunch of money from people like taking acid and going in and watching it? Well, because it was in the theaters for like a year. And like at first it wasn't doing too well, but then it started to get more and more publicity because people started going there for that drug trip scene at the end. That's crazy.

Starting point is 01:47:57 It was a huge surge for it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Anyway, you guys go. Alex, you said everything you wanted to? I mean, I don't have any distinct examples where I can think of either really liking or disliking.

Starting point is 01:48:14 I watched Fantastic Planet while, you know, high and that was very good as well. so that one worked. That's a good one high. Yeah, it kind of enhances certain things about it. It makes it scary. Anything with that kind of 70th soundtrack is a good weed movie. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:30 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, go on, please. Yeah, well, I can't say, weed doesn't really do much for me anymore. I have to be like in the right mood. And usually if I'm going to smoke any of it, it's like I'll already have had a few drinks or something. um it's not i i don't really enjoy weed that much um i drink a lot of alcohol um and as for i guess

Starting point is 01:49:01 everything else i've pretty much done uh everything except like opiates like pretty much everything you can name except except opiates um wow good for you yeah well um experiencing the world yeah yeah i mean I have a... There's a lot of shit that I've gone through. And so, you know, I've been addicted to certain substances and quit. And a lot of it was, like, growing up. But, yeah, I mean, it's... I don't know.

Starting point is 01:49:35 Like, I guess the question was how it relates to film, but I guess to say what drugs I've done, it's just like, I don't know, like what drugs haven't I done. But let's talk about your drug experiences you can. Yeah, that was the first half of the question. Just talk about in general. Fuck that. movies well I mean it's like me me and drugs is like just me growing up super fucking

Starting point is 01:49:57 depressed and you know it was like addicted to cocaine at like 15 years old and wrote a song about it and quit and you know crystal meth was in there at one point and um a lot of a lot of bad shit and um yeah it's I don't know that like it feels as though like I'm pretty much done with all that stuff. Like, I'm just sticking to alcohol. And right now, I've also started to, um, like, get a lot of regular exercise, too. And that's been helping out. And obviously my music, you know, just expressing myself.

Starting point is 01:50:36 Um, yeah. But it's really, I don't know. It's like, I'm trying not to turn this into like one big therapy session. Because I am, I am like open about myself. And, you know, I don't, I don't think that there's any. conversation that people shouldn't have but

Starting point is 01:50:52 yeah I mean it's I really I did a lot of MDMA like speed and like I've done salvia before I've done

Starting point is 01:51:05 mushrooms I've done LSD yeah pretty much fucking everything except opiates because I don't want to like overdose on fentanyl

Starting point is 01:51:16 you know Yeah, that kind of man. Yeah. Have you ever tried that? Fentanyl? No. That's, I mean, that's considered an opioid, right? Oh, yeah, that's an opioid. Yeah, that's an opioid.

Starting point is 01:51:26 Opioid, opioid, bloop, blub, blub. Yeah. What was it like getting over, like, cocaine? The addiction of that. I mean, I can imagine. You know, something that I guess I realized, you know, growing up, is that most people that are addicted to drugs like that, that, you know, have a sense of gratification behind them

Starting point is 01:51:55 are mostly just people that are fucking depressed and are looking to escape life, you know? And so I think it's really easy for people to, I guess, categorize drug addicts in a way where it's just like, oh, you're irresponsible, get a hold of your own life and like why would you ever do that to yourself but you know in a lot of situations you know the the choice is like either i'm going to do something and maybe feel a bit happy for a momentary period or i'm going to kill myself sort of thing you know so like it's

Starting point is 01:52:32 there's there's a lot of people out there where it's literally either that or suicide um yeah there's no other choice yeah yeah i mean it's felt like that in quite a few different instances in my life, but, you know, it's part of what, uh, drives and motivates me as a person. It's part of why I work so hard is to try and improve my situation and trying, you know, to get to a point where I don't hate myself, I guess, but it's, I don't know. It's, um, it's, uh, I don't know, um, what else I can say about it. Like, it was, it was difficult quitting cocaine. It was more. more difficult quitting cigarettes and now even on like nicotine like I vape again too like I quit

Starting point is 01:53:20 cigarettes for a while like part of it also with alcohol too is like how publicly available and socially acceptable certain drugs are and those are the tougher ones to quit in my opinion because like cocaine I just deleted my dealer's number which you know some people I guess have dealers that will like harass and call them which is not a good situation and I did wind up running into that guy a couple more times in buying again but I was you know I guess fortunate enough to to be in a position where I could say hey this is replacing my life I should probably do something else you know so yeah yeah yeah yeah a lot of that's nuts a lot of fucking strange history in this individual you're talking

Starting point is 01:54:14 to I know but um I don't know it's in my I think it's really good that you're willing to talk about it yeah exactly it's good it's helpful for you know all the people listening I'm sure a lot of people will connect with that kind of thing you know most people know people who've you know been addicted to substances

Starting point is 01:54:30 and whatnot so it's good to talk about instead of try to be ashamed of or whatever it never it never got to the point where I was like I don't know like missing work or stealing shit from people It was just, you know, like, it was, it was, I was using a lot of drugs a lot more frequently when I was younger because I, you know, I, I was living in my parents and, and, like, I didn't have, like, a regular job or anything or any responsibilities or, you know. Yeah, that happens with a lot of young people. Like, you just, you're so depressed and, and you feel aimless and you don't know what you're doing with your life and you don't know who you are. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:11 fucking you you console in drugs and then just take over your whole life that's usually what happens and it makes it worse it doesn't it doesn't make the problem better yeah you know anyway not like i would know but i just from what i i have friends who've got been through similar things yeah it really it really depends on your situation it depends how much you're able to like get a hold of yourself also um because like i don't know at this point, like, I don't really, I don't need cocaine. I don't need to do it. I haven't done it in a while. Like, I still, like, there's certain drugs that I'll try again socially, but there's no, I guess, constant need to medicate myself other than perhaps with alcohol right now, but that's, you know,

Starting point is 01:56:03 I'm not getting, like, shit-faced every day. I'm just, you know, drinking, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, it's more of like a compulsive thing than anything at this point just that nicotine um yeah it's uh any other any other questions you have about it because i'm not sure i'm really forming a uh i don't know i feel like i i need to i need to make a list of questions but yeah i don't want to like pry no i mean like i'm comfortable talking about anything so if you if you're genuinely curious about something whether it's like about drug use or about furries or about whatever like I don't I don't I'm I've always felt like you know there's nothing that people shouldn't talk about so yeah from like your perspective do you think that a lot of like things you've tried have an unfair rap or the kind of perception around them is completely wrong um yeah I mean that's everything that's that's not just drugs that's any life experience like unless you've gone through it yourself you really have no fucking idea so i mean like whether whether it's like the you know attitudes or side

Starting point is 01:57:26 effects or effect you know effects on your body or like quitting or you know there's a whole handful of things when it comes to any drug or any experience in life where i think that Yeah. Just like, you know, if you haven't done it, you don't really know. And I'm not saying people should do it to find out. Because, I mean, like, most people, most people, if they do something like, you try something like heroin or crystal meth, and it's just like, oh, well, you're fucking done.

Starting point is 01:57:59 Like, it replaces your life, you know? So I would just, I would suggest in general, don't try those things. It's not a good idea. We were talking about Madagascar fucking half-hour cup I was gonna make a joke about that The contrast is quite funny It's like gradually gone down

Starting point is 01:58:17 It was like whimsical Madagascar Then it was what film makes you the most depressed And it's like Just keeps going down What's next? Yeah What's the next question? I don't know

Starting point is 01:58:29 It's um Everybody's a work in progress You know Some people Take longer to get out of holes than other people. Some people, you know, need support. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:58:42 Yeah. Anyway. Do you want to do any more? Do you want to do them? Like one more question? I don't mind. I have, I think, two left. Let's do at least one more.

Starting point is 01:58:59 Change the tone a bit. Here's a... Moving on to sort of YouTube-type. things. Gaming Candy Bar asks, how do you guys use music in your videos without getting claimed? Most directed towards Ralph because he uses a large range of music in his videos. Because you do use like a really varied range of stuff in your videos in particular. I have a whole playlist of them. It's because it's in the background and I change the pitch usually and I change the speed and I'm talking over it. So it never gets some content ID claims.

Starting point is 01:59:37 And I'll never get into any legal trouble for it because it's not going to be a replacement for the original at all. Yeah. Like it's so, it's fast, the pitch is different. It's like so beyond being like a market replacement for the original song. So that's how I get away with it. Yeah. And sometimes there are legal troubles like a review I made, oh God, the Black Panther video. That's a good one.

Starting point is 02:00:02 The review I made a Black Panther. I used celebration at the end as a joke. and they copyright claim that one and I just went, all right, I'll just leave it then. So they're collecting money off that video and I'm not, but it's okay, whatever. I'll make money from other things. Yeah, that's my process.

Starting point is 02:00:19 Depends on how it's used. Is it similar for you guys? Yeah, pretty much. Like, same thing, you know, like, if the volume's low and you're talking over it, like the way that content ID detects it is, you know, essentially through waveforms, and you're adding to that,

Starting point is 02:00:33 and when you're talking over it, it's impossible. for the system to accurately match the waveforms as long as you're constantly talking over it at a higher volume anyway. And, you know, if, like, fair use is interpretable.

Starting point is 02:00:48 So, you know, there's nothing that you can really point to saying this is or isn't fair use unless it really goes to court because that's how it's decided. And when we're talking about something like, you know, online internet media where,

Starting point is 02:01:03 A, you're not really, you're not really putting it behind a paywall you're not selling it it's like free content that people are donating for essentially like B it's pretty fucking difficult to argue that it has any effect on the market of the original creator

Starting point is 02:01:21 because there's no way that someone can listen to somebody talking about a movie over top of a song and being like yeah I'll just listen to this instead of buying the song if anything it promotes the original material and it gets people interested you know like every song I've ever used. You can search it up on YouTube. People will be like, oh, I'm so glad I found this song. Thanks, YMS, you know, like, so it's really difficult to argue that it has any kind of

Starting point is 02:01:44 negative impact on the market. And I guess like... Also, now that the channels are so successful, people send me music to use in the videos too. So there's that whole element of it. Yeah. So I don't even have to worry about copyright, because they own it and they give me permission. Yeah, I'm a big fan of, you know, having things more freely available. for people to be transformative with, you know, like the internet is, it's a remix culture, you know, like every meme, you know, is just like taking something and turning it into something else, right? And the more tools at your disposal, music being one of them, I think that it's beneficial towards art and expression and creativity.

Starting point is 02:02:27 And so I would like to see less restrictions. I would like to see these types of things being more commonplace and pedestrian to the point where it's not even a question of whether or not it's fair use. Yeah, it's kind of getting worse and worse on YouTube, though. Like now somehow they're able to sometimes snag if you're doing, like you're just singing the lyrics in the same sort of tempo as the original song, if you're doing like a parody or something. So it can be really extreme.

Starting point is 02:02:55 So over the years, I've gradually just moved away and have sort of subscriptions to these websites that have music that you're allowed to use as much. much as you like in your videos and not have to worry about. That's a great option too. Yeah, because it was just too annoying when sometimes you do want to have sequences where there is no other audio and it's just music. It can, this is quite a good tool.

Starting point is 02:03:18 But if the music is going for more than like four seconds, then it would just snag it. And that's your whole video gone. So I find that it's too, I can't work on a video for like weeks. And then a three second segment is snagged because I used a song. and then all that works just wasted. Yeah. Okay. Bike Bentz is going to finish us off

Starting point is 02:03:39 with... Picture movie. Picture movie that would make a lot of money. That's it, simple as. I've got one prepared, if you guys want to think. So mine is using the power of Deadpool because he's like an ultimate money maker. And my idea is Deadpool going through all of the different Hollywood universes.

Starting point is 02:04:01 So he sort of starts in Marvel and... hangs out with Iron Man and all that. And then he kind of warps in or goes into another realm where there's like a rock and Kevin Hart comedy. And then he just keeps going on into like Frozen and then fights a transformer. Goes into Star Wars. And then Deadpool walked in.

Starting point is 02:04:19 Yeah, exactly. Because I think a lot of his humor is kind of based around that sort of thing in the comics anyway, him like being out of place or whatever. So him jumping through universe and universe and you're kind of capturing every, I just looked at the list of the biggest, you know, the movies that made the most money. So there's a bit of Avatar in there, a Titanic probably make a joke about all of it,

Starting point is 02:04:42 be all self-referential, and you've got yourself the biggest movie of all time. Ralph? Cool. Mine is a soft reboot of E.T. Starring Dwayne Johnson and Kevin Hart. So E.T. returns, right? And then Kevin Hart and D.O.N. Johnson find him and it's the same movie again

Starting point is 02:05:04 as E.T. Or Kevin Hart is E. Johnson and Kevin Hart. Oh, that's sad. Now I'll make tons of money. Hmm. Yeah, I guess this is a little difficult, I guess. You could make, like, I don't know, like

Starting point is 02:05:23 there's... Easily, you could just say, like, a property that has never had a film made about it before. Like, a mass effect movie or a Halo movie. Like those are popular franchises that, you know, people would probably see a movie for. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:05:39 Other than that... It's too risky, though, isn't it? Is it? Mass Effect is such an expansive universe. It depends on how it's made. Like, I'm talking about, like, a great movie. I'm talking about, like, if, like, Denny Vilma directed, like, Mass Effect or something.

Starting point is 02:05:53 Okay, okay, yeah. But then he directed Blade Runner, and that film didn't make, you know, the most time, is it? Well, because Sony, it was fucking stupid when they marketed it. Yeah, I don't know. How do you I mean the movie was a two and a half hour long like cerebral Brilliant science fiction film of course it didn't make money. Okay, let's

Starting point is 02:06:13 What was wrong with the marketing? They didn't market it enough they didn't put enough money behind it. Oh Yeah, I guess they really didn't because people don't people probably didn't want to see they figured people don't want to see it Exactly. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy Yeah, studios do they're like no one wants to see this. Let's not put as many trailers for it. I you know so it's just it's like every Wes Anderson film with Foxx right we could say like

Starting point is 02:06:38 okay let's let's think about this for a second we can make uh now that groundhog day is a genre and no longer a movie let's do uh groundhog day style film starring nicholas cage playing every character bam nice people would see that for the meme

Starting point is 02:06:54 why not for the money you gotta just look at like the most money grubbing trends. Like superhero films, you know? Like, I don't know. Make a fucking Pokemon movie for adults. Because the people that are going to watch Detective Pikachu are just people that are fans of the original anyway. You don't think it's going to do well? Yeah, of course it's going to do well. The new one's going to do well.

Starting point is 02:07:19 But like an adult's like a PG-13. PG-13. It doesn't have to be like dark and gritty. A PG-13 Pokemon movie? I don't know how that's going to do. They would find this audience. There's quite a few of the pokey fans from the 90s and whatnot. I don't think there are any Pokemon fans under the age of 13 right now. Nah.

Starting point is 02:07:40 So, like, I don't know, you can make something cool. Make fucking, Alvin and the Chipmunks are rated. They're fucking gangsters. They kill each other. Yeah. Yeah, put Deadpool in it. Lots of blood, gore, and violence.

Starting point is 02:07:58 So, yeah, Fox owns Alvin and Chipmunks and Deadpool. So there you go. They curb stomps Simon. It just turns into one of those disgusting crushing fetish videos. He gets stomped by a woman in high heels. That would make money for sure. No, it wouldn't. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:08:18 Like, just remakes, Superhero movies, pre-existing properties, like, if that's how you, if money is your only concern, then that's what you do. And that's why we see exactly what we see in movies right now, right? Star Wars, Superhero- superheroes, superheroes. Because they care about making money.

Starting point is 02:08:36 They don't care about making art and that's it. But it's also that knock on reactionary thing where it's like Marvel has something going. So then DC does it and then other companies see with like the King Kong franchise thing that's going on as well. They're all doing it. They all want it because they all want a slice. But they don't realize what they actually have to do to earn the money.

Starting point is 02:08:56 So a lot of the time they just come out and flop horribly. Like there's this Hellboy reboot. There's the men in black one that's kind of. coming out as well they both look terrible people don't want the shit yeah they were supposed to do a um crossover between 21 Jump Street and men in black that could have done well why didn't they do that they were supposed to happen stupid as hell people wanted to see that yeah got cancelled I guess well Smith had to play the genie instead he was busy I don't think Will Smith's in the

Starting point is 02:09:29 new men in black either though no he's not there's no he's not it's no it's thought be a cameo. Whatever. Is Tommy Lee Jones in it? Is he even alive anymore? Just about. He's just clinging in, clinging on. He's cling on.

Starting point is 02:09:45 He's a cling on, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Anyway. All right, that's it for questions. We did it. Cool. There we go.

Starting point is 02:09:54 We've done it. We've answered the questions. I guess I've got a movie to recommend. Yeah, please too. So, I don't think you guys have seen this. I haven't seen it a long fucking time. I think I've only actually seen it once, and I kind of want to watch it again.

Starting point is 02:10:07 This is the first Dogma 95 film. This is directed by Thomas Vinterberg. It's called The Celebration, or Feston. I don't think you guys have seen it, have you? No, you haven't. You mentioned it before. Cool. Yeah, I was deciding between a few,

Starting point is 02:10:25 and then I just noticed this on my DVD shelf and changed my mind and fuck it. I want to see it. So it'll be a nice break from the, previous two recommendations we've had Spider-Man and Madagascar.

Starting point is 02:10:36 Epic Trilogies. Yeah. As much as I could recommend another like, like popular normie thing, I kind of want to

Starting point is 02:10:45 get back to these obscure, like indie, like low-budget things. Yeah, Alex, stop being a normie. Sorry, guys.

Starting point is 02:10:55 Geez. I'm just here for representation, okay? Yeah. All right. Thank you so much. for listening to this very special Madagascar-themed episode of Sardonicast.

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Sardonicast - Sardonicast #28: Disney, Madagascar Trilogy

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