Sardonicast - Sardonicast #29: Green Book, The Celebration

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

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Anyway The Oscars happened The Oscars Yeah And we're all hyped We were all buzzed about it I heard my friends Laughing at it

From the other room Oh you had Friends watching it In the other room And you were just so Disinterested I was playing I was playing Red Dead.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, I didn't give a fuck. How many hours have you put into it, you had a great time? Red Dead? Yeah, Red Dead, too. Yeah, I don't know. What chapter are you on? Well, I finished the whole game.

I did that a while ago. Like the campaign. So what are you doing now? Yeah. I'm just fucking around. Okay. Go into town, you know, tie some people up in the middle of street and then put a bunch of dynamite down and then, you know, let it loose. Yeah.

Just being psycho. Yeah. When the story's done. I just beat it on Sunday. It's, uh... Oh, yeah? Yeah, there's... I like the game overall, but it did, it did drag on a really fucking long time campaign-wise.

There's so much. But which... Which part? I don't know. Two chapters of epilogue? I don't know. Like, the whole end... Like, even before that, I was just like, ah, come on, I want this to be over.

The only chapter I thought was weak was the one where they went to that foreign country. Yeah, that was a weak chapter for sure. Some like South American, some island. Oh yeah, that island. Caribbean island, something like that.

That was definitely a weak chapter. That was unnecessary. And I even when, I went back there to explore it, you know, because I love exploring every nook and cranny. And there's not much there. I didn't know that.

Yeah. You, the only way you can go back there is if you load your game from when you were there. Oh, like load an option from that or something. Uh-huh. So I did that and I tried exploring. And like,

the guys will just try shooting you if you try to go anywhere close to the castle, so it's like pointless. Oh, right. Yeah. Anyway, we're supposed to be talking about the Oscars. Well, but they're so interesting. Yeah, clearly. We just want to talk about them so bad and not

talk about Red Dead too. Who won? For what? What are the categories? Okay. I have the list up so we can quickly go through them. I'm only going to read the winners. Let's start with. Best Actress. This is a good one to start with. Winner Olivia Coleman for the favorite. That was my

pick out of the choices. result. I was happy to hear about that one and Rami. Yeah, which was next Best Actor, winner, Remy Malik for Bohemian Rhapsody. Yeah, not unhappy with that one. Yeah, I didn't like the movie that much, but he was good. He was definitely the best part. He deserved that. And considering the other nominees for this category, I mean,

well, it's not that strong, really, for Best Actor, so. I thought Christian Bale did a great job, honestly. Too fair, I haven't seen, boys, so. Yeah, he did a fucking fantastic job. I could have seen him winning easily, but I mean, Rami was the more popular one, I guess. Yeah. Best Supporting Actress, Regina King for if Beal Street could talk. Haven't seen that one.

Yeah, I saw it. I mean, she was really good in it. I really, this was a category that I did not have any strong opinions on. Because, like, they were all great, but there wasn't a clear winner in my head, so. Yeah, I can see that. Bill Street didn't get anything. It got, well, it got best actress and I think that's it, or best supporting actress. Is that one worth of watch?

I just haven't bothered watching it. Yeah, for sure. It was better than like half the nominees for Best Picture, that's for sure. It's not as good as Moonlight. It does drag on a little. Like, it does get a little repetitive. But overall, it's like, it's probably the most aesthetically beautiful film. I saw it TIF in terms of like color palette and framing.

Like it's a very nice looking movie Soundtracks really great Although they do play one song a couple too many times And some really great and powerful Scenes in the movie honestly Like it's a seven for me I think It has its flaws but definitely worth watching

Definitely better than a lot of the Best Picture nominees Yeah They probably didn't even see it Yeah who knows Best Supporting actor Mahershala Ali Greenbook Thoughts

No really strong opinion I thought it would have went to Sam Elliott though yeah I mean but he was good though he's not the issue with Green Book yeah I thought it was good in the movie yeah I'm not I thought he was I thought he was good I'm maybe I just didn't like his character okay I mean it's the way he was written to exactly I just found him to be kind of we're gonna talk about Green Book green book yeah we'll get into that more towards the end when we get to best picture best director Alfonso Coron for Roma good

Not unhappy. It would have been cool to see Yorgos get it, but not unhappy about Alfonso. Yeah. Yorgos will have his day. I mean, Roma deserves it, though. Yeah. Yeah, nothing to get angry about there. Best original screenplay, Green Book.

Woo! Over the favorite. Over Roma. Over her first reformed. Yeah. Didn't they not do their research on the... Well, they didn't consult the other guy's family in Green Book. They consorted the Italian guy's family, not the...

black musician oh that's funny so that's hilarious one best screenplay wow even though they didn't do their research wow really yeah that almost seems like contradictory to the themes of the film he's eating fried chicken he's eating fried chicken right and then apparently in real life the guy liked fried chicken but in the movie they play it up like he hated it like oh it's disgusting it's supposed to subvert your expectations yeah v goes like oh is the food of your people Oh god You don't know Aretha Franklin This is your music

We're just turning this into the Green Book discussion Let's go through the rest Before we go into it Yeah sorry Everything comes back to Green Book in the end Doesn't it? It is the ultimate winner Anyway

Best Adapted Screenplay It's the ultimate weiner Yeah Black Landsman for Adapted Screenplay Good Yeah I'm happy you got something Yeah I mean

I guess My preferred win would have been Buster Scruggs, but there's no way that would have happened. Yeah. Yeah, this is not an outrage or anything. This is fine. Yeah, that's just fine. Next one was Best Animated Feature.

Into the Spiderverse took it, which I was personally quite happy with. I was very scared Incredibles 2 was going to take it. That would have been very funny. Did you see that apparently there was like a Blu-ray cover sold at certain stores that had, for Ralph Breaks the Internet, they had winner of, the 2019 best animated feature because they printed them

before the awards were actually announced for Wreck it Ralph 2 yeah wreck it Ralph's weird they were thinking that they won I thought you were going to say the Incredibles 2 no for wreckett Ralph 2 yeah but they thought

wrecked at ralph too somebody snapped the photo of that and posted it on Twitter out of all of those yeah that's funny because didn't you see it recently Adam I saw it was rated I saw the first 10 minutes before I skipped

through it and vomited It's bad, isn't it? It's not good. Can't believe it's nominated. It's actually an insults the category, in my opinion. It's the animated feature category. Fucking box trolls was nominated the year that the Lego movie wasn't. Didn't even nominate the Lego movie, but they nominated box trolls.

I think that was the year that Big Hero 6 won, too. Yeah, no, it did. I think this is the first one out of like six movies in a row. or something where Disney hasn't won an award? More than that. Is it more? I went and looked at what they were and I said, Brave won an Oscar. Brave.

Remember that movie? Really? Jesus, man. They just don't care. They just don't care. That is a legitimately great movie, but it doesn't appeal to families and children, then they won't pick it. Spirited away barely fits that mold.

Like, you could still be like a young person and still watch that movie. Like Miyazaki is considered, like, even though there's kind of adult things that happen in it, it's still considered, like, family-esque. It's for all ages. Even if there's some scary things that happen in it. Older kids. Yeah. Like, you've got a tween or something. Whereas, like, Isle of Dogs is not really a kid's movie.

Anomalisa was not a kid's movie at all. So, of course, they wouldn't win. And, yeah, I mean, like, for Spider-Man, technically, even though it's a Sony film, It does help promote the entire franchise of Marvel and Disney, and they're making money off of it in certain ways, right? Disney always wins. I don't say the film actually deserves it, though, I reckon, out of those. Yeah, I mean, I Love Dogs is a better movie, in my opinion, but you guys can disagree with.

I would have been happy with either of those two, so I was just glad it wasn't, you know, Incredibles 2 of Ralph Breaks Internet, especially Ralph Breaks's Internet. Yeah, we got to see those two boys get their Oscar when they were. they were snubbed from the Lego movie, so. Oh, yeah. Phil Lord and Chris Miller, yeah. Lord. Anyway.

Best foreign language film, Roma. Uh-du. That was weird. That was nominated for Best Picture and Best Foreign Film. That's happened before. That's very weird. That's happened before. But that could hypothetically mean you win twice.

I know that it's most likely not going to happen, but still, it's fucking weird. Just nominated for one of them. Either Best Picture or Best Four. I forget if best animated was no I think I think there was an animated film nominated for best picture But that was before they had their own category for animated so I don't know I think well you know I think when it comes to having a category like best foreign language film it's only just to make up for the fact that the Oscars Will never really nominate foreign films for best picture like it's it's happened what three times now total like a more roma and like one other film it's an industry event for Hollywood. So it's movies that mainly come out of the industry here and America.

But yeah, they treat foreign films like they're this other thing. Yeah, there's no reason why they have to. These movies aren't as valuable as the ones we make. But we'll give them a little award. We'll chuck like one award at them. Every country, pick one movie. It's not written into the rules that it has to be an industry event for Hollywood and not pay attention to movies made outside of America. It's not like it's not like that's the goal of the No. In writing. You gotta be realistic about what they're going to see. Oh yeah, of course. They're in Hollywood.

They're a bunch of Hollywood elitists. Yeah. And they have all their friends are like these movie producers. Hollywood is the best. For free. Yeah. All of the best films every year come from America only. Isn't that crazy?

What a coincidence. The thing is, that kind of used to be true. And now it's not. What do you mean kind of used to be true? Used to be, well, the film industry was born here. Well, I mean, depending on how far back you go, I guess. Yeah, I guess depending on how far back. You could, I guess that's debatable.

Yeah, I guess that is pretty, pretty debatable in my opinion. I think this is the first country where it was a huge success and it became like this huge industry. If we're talking about like big budget, Hollywood film industry. Crowd pleasing in a sense. Making movies, this thing that anyone can say. Yeah, you might as well just not even have anybody announce the foreign language. category if you're going to have the same film in being nominated for several other awards, including Best Picture, because there's no question.

You can't have Roma nominated for Best Picture and then choose shoplifters for Best Foreign Language. That wouldn't make sense. No. Like, you've already decided it with the nominations. And it deserved it. I mean, out of the nominations for sure. No burning nomination.

That was weird. No, because they can only pick one movie from each country, too. No, the burning was Korean. Yeah, South Korean. They didn't pick... They didn't... Did South Korea pick Burning? Well, let's look at this.

No, you know what? South Korea probably submitted it and they just didn't accept it. That's what I was saying. That's what I was implying here. I'm pretty sure they submitted burning. Why wouldn't they? Yeah.

They probably didn't watch it. It's probably too long or something for them. It's probably too long. I'd rather watch a movie with Americans in it. It probably is. They didn't want to read. They don't speak English. Quite seriously.

We watch Green Book again. The Academy voters do not watch every single film. Like, they don't. No. It's obvious, isn't it? Yeah. They just don't give a shit. My friend goes to film school, and someone who's on, like, a part of the team who votes on the movies, was, like, bragging about how they haven't seen all the films for some reason.

A lot of them are like that. Such a farce. Yeah. I should be proud of that. I think I said before on the show, I have a friend who gets the screeners, too, and he just gives them to his. was made and the maid watches them in votes. Yeah. Like that's the,

that's just the way most of them are, I think. Most of these award voters. Chloe Grace Moretz is an academy voter now. And she was, yeah. She actually, she's going to vote for herself. She seemed to take it more seriously, I guess, than you'd expect. But at the same time, she was like, she was on Jimmy Kimmel saying, like, oh, yeah,

I was just watch it with my siblings and then kind of get, their thoughts on it and be like, which one did you like better? I'm like, well, why are you the voter? If you're just getting your sibling, if you can't even like determine... How does it actually work? Well, they get screeners and then they have like a ballot.

So they just check a box or whatever. I'm just wondering how many people like... Are academy voters? There's like thousands, apparently. Yeah, thousands. Yeah, it must be quite a few. They added a bunch more because it was too many old white men. So they were like, uh-oh.

Yeah. I guess it's showing in our choices, so they added some more. Yeah, and it didn't work because Green Book stole one. Yeah. It'd be nice if you could actually see where the votes were going, you know, actually see some statistics. Yeah, hold them accountable. Release the emails.

Yeah, man. Okay, let's move on. Best Documentary feature, Free Solo. Anyone seen that? Yeah, I've seen all of the best documentary nominations. I heard Free Solo was good, but Minding the Gap is what I saw, and I don't know. I think that deserved it. I preferred Minding the Gap.

I am not surprised that Free Solo got Best Picture. They were both great. My only really big issue with Free Solo was the score. It deserved a much better score, as in like the soundtrack. It was from the guy that did the score for amusement and World War Z. So he'll create like a song. stock score, and this is probably the best score he's ever made for this film, but it was still just kind of like, oh, this could be in any movie when I feel like the visuals deserved so much

more. There were two documentaries in this category, the Hale County one and RBG, that totally did not really deserve to be there at all. And there were three other documentaries I've seen in 2018 that were just so much better. Alex, you mentioned one already. The Peter Jackson, they should not grow old. That, like, easily you could have made room for that. There was three identical strangers.

There was the Mr. Rogers documentary, the, Won't You Be My Neighbor? Those are three right there that were so much better than at least two, possibly even three of the nominations there by far. And it was just so weird that they didn't include them there. I have no idea why. Because they think no one cares about documentaries. It doesn't fit into the circle jerk of Hollywood, you know. I'm surprised they didn't campaign to get those removed, like added to the commercial breaks, like they were going to do for editing. cinematography when they just don't even announce them on television.

I would recommend you watch Free Solo. Once you've seen it, the guy whose name, I forget, but the subject of the documentary, the Solo Climber, there was a really good YouTube video that I watched recently where some, I forget, media online YouTube company or whatever, interviewed him breaking down climbing scenes and movies. So it'll be like him talking about like the, stunts in Mission Impossible 2 or whichever one that was where they're like climbing up the

mountain and he it's so very interesting and very like fascinating and this guy is just like top of his game and he knows like every detail he's talking about like the different techniques and it's really interesting hearing him talk about it or like oh that's not possible that's not realistic

cool I'll look that up later best original song shallow won that one from A Star is Born not surprised and I like that song but I think I like the Buster Scruggs song better. That was never going to win. I know.

Especially compared to the Lady Gaga song was so popular. Of course that was going to win. Yeah. Yeah, there's nothing surprising about that. And I'm not even like upset about it really. Nah, me neither. At least Starsbourne didn't win anything else. Yeah, that's true.

I was kind of worried Lady Gaga would win instead of Olivia Coleman. Not that Lady Gaga's bad. That would be disappointing, not nearly as disappointing as a Muslim. Alyssa McCarthy win in that category. Yeah, that would have been the worst. That would have been hell on earth. That would have been a disaster, and I'm glad it would have liked to have heard your scream. Oh, God.

She'd won. I would have been so upset. Staying on the music thing. Best original score, Black Panther won. Yeah. Yeah. It won a few, didn't it? I wouldn't say it's best score.

Yeah. It was just... I'll leave it there. Marvel music and added African drums and that's it. Really. There's no, yeah, there's nothing memorable about it. Black Klansman had a really great score. It was a bit overused.

Same on Beale Street. Yeah. Isle of Dogs had a great score. Susperia. Oh yeah. There's so many that weren't nominated this year that it was just. Yeah, tons of great scores. Yeah.

The next two go to Black Panther, those being best production design, which, I mean, if you're going to give it anything, fine. Yeah. I'm actually okay with that one. I think Roma would have been my pick for that. Yeah, me too. But, I mean, that's the best thing Black Panther does. It's not an outrage or anything.

Yeah, and it also got costume design, which is hard to get angry over to. Yeah, it was a costuming movie. Yeah. Clearly a lot of work went into that. Yeah. I'll give it that. Best cinematography, Roma.

Nice. I have no problem with that. Yeah, that's a good one. Alfonso Caron one again because he was the cinematographer. Yeah. Yeah. What a fucking crazy talented guy.

He was nominated for four different categories like literally himself as an individual. Yeah. So it's like, did he write a speech for every single one? He got up on Mike like three times. Yeah, good for him. Yeah. He deserves it.

No, yeah, he does. The Academy likes him too, which is good. Yeah. Best visual effects. First Man. Not unhappy. Which would have been my pick out of those. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm just glad Ready Player 1 didn't win. That would be my anger moment. I'm happy Black Panther didn't win. It didn't get nominated for that. It wasn't nominated for that one. It wasn't nominated for at the Oscars. I didn't know that.

It was Avengers, Christopher Robin. Oh yeah, it was some other random awards thing. Yeah. Was it the BAFTAs? I don't know. I've no idea. Anyway, continue. Okay.

Best makeup. obviously going to vice. Yeah, that was predictable. Deserved. That award seems created for that movie this year. It's like no competition. I really want to see Border. That was another nominee in that category.

And I missed it. I didn't get a chance to see it while I was at Tiff. And now it's like impossible to find. Best sound editing. Bohemian Rhapsody. I also won for mixing. Yeah, I know. That's such bullshit. I don't think the Academy understands the difference. I think they don't

like the majority of Academy voters are like, this movie had sound and so they just checked the same answer for both. It was the same answer for both last year too. Do you think it's more about that the film is about sound and music so they just assumed, oh, it must be good because they're doing it in the movie?

I think so. And also, like, they watch these on DVD screeners. So, like, there's no guarantee at all that they're listening to this with a good sound setup. Oh, they're absolutely not. Yeah, they might be playing it on their fucking phone as David Lynch would say. Like, it's ridiculous.

I don't think they have a thorough understanding of the sound category at all. Roma would have been a great choice for both of them. A Star is Born would have been a great choice for mixing also. Like, that's something where I actually noticed. Like, oh, wow, they actually did a great job

mixing for the music scenes in general, like when it was like the difference between, you know, the crowd performances and at home. And I thought they did a great job with that. But, yep. well bohemian rhapsody's streak wasn't quite over because it won the award we're all quite pleased about i'm sure best film editing bohemian rhapsody oh god terrible out of it it was like easily the worst one

well the film feels very recut yeah by producers i mean i we talked about how queen had influence over the movie i'm convinced like the band members kept adding in close-ups of the characters of themselves in the movie oh like there's That one scene. It's the famous scene that's on Twitter. Yeah. When they're like sitting at the table outside. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

And they just keep putting the random close-ups to them. So bad. Because I think, I think the band members just want, I want more close-ups to me. I think they fucking ruin the movie. How can they see what I'm thinking in this scenario? Yeah. Any one of those nominees I would have been happier with. Maybe not Vice though.

Vice had some pretty obnoxious editing. But Bohemian Rhapsody was the most like incompetent. Vice was just poor concept for editing. Yeah, it never went above being serviceable to me in Bohemian Rhapsody. There were points where it was fine and did the drop, but there was nothing about it and really screamed. Yeah, this is really striking me purely on an editing level like Susperia did and should have won. I'm just happy that there were some of memes. If you're going to talk about something nominated, the favorite totally deserved editing.

I mean, that movie, the way they cut out of, I added a lot of comedic effect to a lot of, the scenes. Yeah, it really helped with the flow and the tension and the pacing. Like that's something where the editing isn't as noticeable, like you're not going to pay attention to the editing, but it does help the film out so much. Right. Best animated short, have any of us seen all of these?

Yes, I have. It's the one with the dumpling, right? Bow, bow, bow, bow, Pixar movies. Yeah, Pixar wins, the best animated. Animal behavior was good, and the rest were either local. warm or bad. Weekends was fine, but the other two were kind of bad.

Okay. Yeah, I've got nothing to say on that one. Yep. And the same for documentary short, period, end of sentence, won that one. Yeah. And for an ultimate one, best live action short, winner skin. I saw all of them. It was the funniest fucking one, and unintentionally so.

It was easily the worst one. It was so cartoonish. Yeah. The trailer looks good. It looks promising. But like, holy crap. It is just so unbelievable. unbelievably cartoonish.

You have to see it. It's the funniest fucking thing in the world. I'm not even kidding. I laughed out loud by myself to the ending of that movie. You can find it on iTunes.

If you go Oscar's 2019 shorts and just search for that on iTunes, I'm sure you can find it. They've got a bunch of them and skin is on there. Holy crap, it was so funny. Mother was the best one

I saw out of the live action shorts. And skin was easily the worst. Another movie called Mother. There's so many movies called Mother. mother or mommy or mom there's three films called mother that I've rated seven or above on IMDB

there's like three called mommy right well there's at least one called mommy that I can think of but there's three called mother that I know of that I actually like a lot moms are very popular well we're here guys we're here at best picture green book winner

hilarious pick bar I was not expecting this one at all which you guys made me watch So I guess now we're gonna talk about Green Book I didn't make you watch quite honestly I'm just joking I'm joking I you asked the question should I watch Green Book or climax And I think Ralph you just told them to watch Greenbook right? I don't remember Yeah, but I kind of like I really wanted you to watch climax but I didn't want to step in and try to like

persuade or control you here because even want him to watch climax too Yeah, we're not gonna not talk about climax though. I just figured Everyone's going to give their two cents. Yeah, just make sure to catch that one before it's out of theaters. It might only be in here for like a short time. Maybe next week. Holy crap. I want to see it again too.

Oh yeah, I've seen it twice now. Greenbug. It's funny. We thought Black Panther was going to win. Just to show that the Academy is really progressive. And then the Academy ended up picking like the most racist movie of the year. Pretty much. Not to call it like blatantly racist.

But I mean, just like what I was saying before. The fact that they just didn't even acknowledge or talk to this guy's family or give a fuck about his character is hilarious It's also in concept kind of like a white savior movie You know it's like another the blind sign It's like oh you can't you can't have any progress in your own racial history Let's ignore everything that black people did and and focus on the white guy that helped out It was so safe and by the numbers It was something that old white men would love

It's an old white man Man movie. Well, it's a dad movie. My dad loves it. Everyone's dad loves it. Everyone's dad loves this movie. Everyone's dad's like, you gotta see Greenbook. It's the best movie the year.

I'm actually unconfident that my dad would love it. I'm proud of that. Yeah, I'm sure you would. I said unconfident. It's a safe, you know. Oh, you're unconfir. It's obvious. It had no subtlety.

I had two huge issues with it. The first being that it had no subtlety. And it was just really repetitive. to me. The structure of the scenes was just on loop the whole time. And the dialogue was really repetitive too and the things they're actually talking about. It was so repetitive. It was the same thing over and over again. It shot like a comedy. It shot and lit like a comedy. It was written like a comedy though. Did you not notice the set up punchline type structure of the scenes? It was directed by the director of like dumb and dumber. Yeah, he's a comedy director. So they brought like that aesthetic to it. But the subject matters. And what I was expecting going into it, because I saw this movie after it got the Oscar, was like an Oscar-worthy film, like a best picture worthy like Roma or something.

And it was really a silly comedy with very little to say about the subject matter of racism. It's all been said before. And it won this picture. It's all been said before. There's nothing safe about it. It stands on like police. Like they have the point where like not all cops, you know, they have that point. And it's like, yeah, obviously not all cops. It's fucking. I don't know.

It's basically a road trip movie. Yeah, it's a weird road trip. It's like a corny road trip movie. But you have Black Klansman and Blind Spotting and like these really profound movies about this subject matter that are ballsy and have something to say, something new to say. Yeah. And Blind Spotting is not even nominated. And they give best picture to this movie, which has nothing to say. Neither is Beale Street, too.

No, at Beale Street, fuck all. Yeah. I see why Spike Lee was upset. Does this one annoy you more than, what was it called? The one about the pedophiles a few years ago. Spotlight? Spotlight, yeah. Bohemian Rhapsody?

No. Well, Spotlight is, I think, just as forgettable as this one. No, spotlight's a much better movie than this. Much better movie than this. I thought they were kind of similar. Yeah. They're both, they're both really lukewarm. The authenticity of Spotlight is very real.

Like, that's a journalist experience. And that's probably what it was like to be those people like I appreciate the authenticity They put into crafting that this has not nothing there's nothing authentic about it at all Everyone was a cartoon character yeah yeah, yeah there was some cartooning I mean I didn't even think about it in terms of the fact it's supposed to be based on real people until the yeah Like they don't really feel like my people they feel like characters in a movie yeah exactly Yeah, it's uh It's definitely uh

Oscar Beatty fucking movie Yeah, so you guys watched it live, right? When it won? I did. Alex didn't. No, I was fast asleep. It would have been like 4 a-hams, man. For those of you don't know, Spike Lee got up When it won, and he tried running out of the theater

And Jordan Peel had to calm him down Because, like, Spike Lee was pissed. And I understand why. I think if any other movie won, he wouldn't be as pissed as he was. But the fact that Green Book won, I could see him watching Green Book and being fucking furious. especially that fried chicken scene I could picture Spike Lee watching that scene

wanting to fucking kill somebody yeah that was very confusing what was the point of that yeah bad decision but I thought it was fine I liked it a bit more than you guys but it does not belong in this list

at all in terms of best picture material it's just a fine it belongs on TV almost yeah it's kind of like a fucking TV movie isn't it? Yeah. No, it feels like it should be on TV. And you sit down and you watch it with a family.

You have a laugh. You have a little cry maybe in the middle. And then you forget about it. And you never think about it again. Exactly. I'm never going to think about this movie ever again. Yeah. Yeah.

It's not Oscar material. It was so, there was nothing about his presentation. Like, it's writing. Any, like, filmmaking element that's supposed to be, like, rewarded at these events. Exactly. Is, like, that's what's so baffling to me about it. Yeah. It's all very standard.

workman like there was no like passion or creativity behind it except for him I think Vigo Mortensen I think he was he always does a great job yeah there was some good acting in it but that's about it

yeah and Marshalla Ali's good too but he doesn't carry it like like yeah I agree with you and his character's really weak too I don't even think it's Marshall's fault yeah his character is kind of

annoying annoying in what sense I don't know just that curiosity I, uh, it's just, it, it's no subtlety. Yeah, exactly. It's, it's like, the characters aren't characters anymore and they're just there to serve as a purpose for, I guess, the point that they're making, but they just keep driving home the same point over and over and over again. So it's like we just like, like, like, like, like, I need to eat it with a fork and knife.

And it's like, no, you know you don't eat fried chicken with a fork and knife. And just like, they don't feel like real. people and I swear to God you could watch a 10 minute chunk of this film anywhere in the middle and you have seen the whole movie you've literally seen the whole movie because

it's just the same shit happening over and over again there's nothing new that they do with it they just drag it on longer and be like well that's a movie like fuck off it's so incredibly predictable and just it's nothing

I could have just watched nothing instead. I didn't hate it. I didn't think it was like nothing or unbearable. It was just by the end of it, I was like, all right, so what? That was best picture worthy? It's like if Old Man in the Gun won Best Picture or something. Like just some really bland movie you're going to forget about. Yeah.

Yeah, it was just fine. I thought it was totally fine, slightly above average. I wouldn't say slightly above average. No, because if it was really, as dull and predictable and had nothing going for it, then I would have been bored, but I can't say I was bored. I did find it repetitive, and there are plenty of aspects that were making me groan in terms of how cheesy it was, because God damn, the film is cheesy. That's the only thing that kept me from being bored was groaning at it and being annoyed.

That's the only thing that kept me from being bored. Did you guys laugh? Did you think it was funny? Yeah, a couple parts were, I mean, unintentionally. No, this You didn't have some intentional Because if it felt like It did feel like a comedy at points

It felt like a real toned down comedy Because we've already mentioned it It felt very much Like structurally like a comedy Like they've made in the past It's really similar to it But it's not quite It's like they didn't really think about the tone of it

Before making it So it's like this weird hybrid of Oscar drama And like a comedy Made by the Dumb and Dumber guy Like there's no control You don't get the sense that the director actually has a control of what tone he wants and what he's going for. And yet, well, they just move for whatever's cheapest and easiest. And like, yeah.

There's going to be a lot of people who say, though, this movie was fun and that, you know, we're just haters. Yeah. We are just haters. I'm glad you enjoyed it. But God, I didn't, I didn't enjoy it. Yeah. Maybe my expectations were so low that I just wasn't as annoyed or. upset by it. They were low.

Mine were high because it won the Oscar. And every dad ever told me it's the best movie ever. Everyone everywhere is hating on this movie and the Sardonna cast Reddit treats this movie as if it's like suicide squad tier. I was going in, expecting like something really bad, but I just thought it

was fine and I'm never going to think about it again. It's one of the worst best picture winners, I think. I've seen it in a while. It's just such a boring, bland unspecial choice when this is an event that should be rewarding craft and, like, creativity and achievements, right? Not just like, hey, you farted something out.

Cool. Like, congratulations. It doesn't push any boundary. I hope this choice doesn't offend anybody. Somebody posted a link on my subreddit. Apparently, there was an academy voter that was interviewed, and he said that the, or they said, basically the word on the street with academy voters, was that they were not favorable of Roma

because of the Netflix thing. And apparently, since Netflix had this huge budget allocated towards the four-year consideration campaign and all these fancy, you know, champagne dinners and ceremonies and shit. And apparently Academy voters were like, nah, we can't let.

Netflix think that they can buy an Oscar. And all I'm thinking is like, this is what other studios do. Like, yeah, that's all they've ever done. That's all it is. This is the fucking process. Like, you've, you've proved forever that people can buy Oscars.

That's the whole fucking thing. That's why people do these campaigns. Yeah. The same six studios always win. Did you see Steven Spielberg's comments on Netflix recently? He's like, they shouldn't even be allowed to be nominated for Oscars.

What a fucking old fart. They watch the on TV. Because they have DVD screeners. It's on TV anyway. All right? They don't watch these movies in theaters anyway. What's the fucking difference, you idiot? It's because Stephen Spielberg doesn't want Netflix to take over

because everyone watches everything on Netflix now. It's your dead of cinema. And they don't go to see a shitty movies. Nobody started to be FG. Because you were watching it. Netflix, swing. Fuck off, Steven Spielberg. Did people tune in to this one though?

Have there been word on the view? It was slightly higher than last years. It was like a jump in by like, I don't know. I forget the exact percentage. It was not a huge jump. It's because people wanted to see, they wanted to see how much of a disaster it was going to be because they had no host and there was so much controversy around.

Yeah. So much. True. It was still one of the. It's probably one more controversial ones. I think it's like the third lowest year ever. I don't know. Because who could take this seriously anymore?

I think people just don't give a shit about the Oscars anymore, which is great. I think people just want to watch it to see people get embarrassed. I mean, I feel kind of bad for Marsha Ali because he's just an actor. And now he's like he's involved in this whole Green Book controversy. I don't think anybody blames him for them picking Green Book. No. Like, have people been harassing him? Like, what do you mean?

I don't know. Okay. Maybe there's a bit of... Everyone's probably being harassed. I don't... Okay. I'm not sure about that. I think most people are happy

with Mahershala winning. I don't know. Like, people didn't complain about the performance. No, Green Book winning Best Picture. Whatever. No one cares enough to even like... No one cares about people's like. Yeah.

It's already done. So what would have been your pick for Best Picture? The favorite. Mm-hmm. Yep. Mine would have been Black Panther. For biggest funny, yeah, that would have been great. I would love that. For Best Picture at the Academy Awards.

This does not mean my favorite movie of the year, but I think it would have been the best win for Best Picture at the Academy Awards because we would get so many good memes. I agree, I agree. I changed one. I've seen a few memes of the Bohemian Rhapsody win already for editing.

They're great. Yeah. I just want more memes. That's what I care. about. Fuck the Academy. Yeah. Oh man. Embarrassing.

Embarrassing. That's embarrassing. So what did you think of Red Dead 2? Oh, we're going back to Red Dead 2? No, I don't know. I think we're, are we done talking about the Oscars? I think so. I mean, it's just so. Another year for the books.

But we still talk about it every year, though. I know, but it's, I don't know. there's important conversations to be had about this, I think. Yeah. You know, about snubs. It's just annoying because it could be used to such great effect.

It could be a way of spreading the love of film in a genuine way. It could be introducing new films. Yeah, exactly. Recently, I feel it's been very disingenuous and bias. Well, now, like, every single fucking choice they do is about politics and ratings, and that's it.

right like how many fucking things did they did they try to do where it was like oh yeah we're going to change the Oscars please watch us again and then people were pissed off and they were like oops I guess uh guess we're not going to do that one that was like five different things it's like what do you actually even care about at this point like have some fucking principles if you don't give a shit about the cinematography award then don't have it in there otherwise you should have it in there if you care about ratings yeah maybe they're going to get rid of the cinematography award this year because Alfonso Caron won it, and they didn't want them to go up there again?

I don't know. I don't think... I have no idea. They make a bunch of stupid decisions, and it's just a big, annoying cringe fest. If you can get far enough down the line where they're actually thinking about hiding the cinematography award in a film award show, it's already too late. They've lost all credibility. Yeah.

It's too fucking late. Yeah. What an embarrassing organization at this point Holy crap Like nobody likes the Oscars Including Hollywood now Fucking Alfonso Winner of several Oscars this year

You know he was chewing them out on Twitter You know like Giermo and so many different people Are just shitting on the Oscars For good reason Yeah They're so detached and clueless They have no fucking idea what normal people are like.

They have no idea what good movies are anymore. I don't give them a fuck if they know what normal people are like. I want them to pick some good goddamn movies to win awards. I just want to see Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, I want Jimmy Kimmel back next year, and I want some good movies to win. Quite honestly, the Oscars went by much smoother without a host. Yeah.

Yeah. Really? It was so much less painful from an episode. entertainment perspective of watching the award show. Although I stepped in and there were those comedians talking. What were their names? It was Amy Polar. Yeah, there were some cringe-worthy moments, that's for sure.

But not nearly as many. Except maybe Bohemian Rhapsody winning best editing. Well, at least we got the 420 awards to look forward to. Woo! Yeah, exactly. Yeah, boy. Daddy Derek. You show him.

I really I'm gonna say it every fucking episode people need to show up to that I'm actually really tempted to go I would love to go I would be scared I didn't I don't I'm like actually concerned about this man I don't want to be on his bad side and while he's packing you know it's got a gun I'd be I'd be scared if you knew who I was but if I could somehow sneak in under the radar maybe do a different accent because he doesn't know what it looked like so yeah yeah I guess that dye your hair and and like put on a fake mustache but do I need to dye my hair if he doesn't know what it look like it's just you know for the fun of it play character go there looking like Jared Letto's Joker you should

wear your Alex the Lion for a suit yeah that's it your Madagascar they were some good Madagascar fan art yeah that's a Madagascar fan art so much of it and it's all great to the fan art. Maybe we'll start this episode with those. I, yeah. Just Madagascar fan art. I got a bunch. So, last episode,

I recommended a movie. And that movie is the celebration. Feston is the title. If you're Danish, I guess. This is a spoiler discussion. If you haven't seen the movie, you probably should.

You should watch. the movie, come back and listen to us to talk about the movie. Watch it with the family. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Green Book. A whole family can enjoy. I guess this is the part where I'm supposed to describe it. I don't really want to describe the whole thing.

I guess this is a spoiler discussion anyway. So, family is showing up for the, I guess, father figure character's birthday. It's like his 50th birthday. Recently there was a suicide in the family. It's not revealed yet to be... It's slowly revealed over the course of the film that it's a suicide. The sister's dead.

And there are like three siblings left. And over the course of the evening, you can see that one sibling is getting visibly less comfortable until he reveals that the father raped him and his sister, the dead one, as children, and that he's responsible for the sister's suicide.

And so the whole film goes on, and it's a very interesting, stressful, emotional, very well-made, well-written film, in my opinion. But the presentation's a little weird. It's a Dogma 95 film, which means that there are certain restrictions on what you can do to present your film. And I guess we'll get into that.

I don't want to talk for too long. What did you guys think about it? I loved it. I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was pretty awesome. Awesome. I'm glad you mentioned the Dogma 95. Because the style worked really well for this movie. Yeah.

We talked about another Dogma 95 movie before, Dancer in the Dark. Dancer in the Dark, wasn't it? No, no, no, it's not a dogma movie, but we were, we brought it into the conversation because the scenes, the scenes that were not the musical scenes, like the, you know, handheld, those felt dogma-esque, but not even. Dogma believes that, you know, that dancer in the dark is a Dogma 95 film. It would break way too many of the rules and it was never intended to be that kind of film. Yeah, it was hugely influenced by Dogma 95. It has a lot of the same stuff as a Dogma 95. Von Trier is one of the two people that created the Manifesto.

So him and Thomas of Interberg. And so the celebration is the first Dogma 95 film. Von Trier's The Idiots is the second one. And so those were the two that kind of like simultaneously released to create. this kind of film movement, which I guess we should probably explain for the audience that didn't watch our dance in the dark episode. I'm just going to bring it up on Wiki real quick because there's a, it has the whole list of their manifesto here. So basically in, I guess, 1995, who would have thought? Thomas Winterberg and Von Trier and later, you know, some other Danish filmmakers kind of joined. But they started this manifesto where the whole point was to, I I guess kind of encourage the idea of setting restrictions on the films that you make, because out of restrictions can come some really interesting and genuine ways of presenting your film. So if you remove the manipulative technical aspects like fancy editing and fancy titles and soundtrack and music and lighting and camera quality,

if you break those down and take them away from your film, then you're left to focus on the writing, the performances, and they believed that this would help bring out some sort of unique or interesting or purposeful films in that sense. And so I guess here are the rules that they created. And this, you know, it's not like, oh, all of movies have to be this way. It was just kind of like a thought experiment in a sense. One, shooting must be done on location.

Props and sets must not be brought in. If a particular prop is necessary for the story, a location must be chosen where this prop can be found. Two, the sound can never be produced apart from the images or vice versa. Music must not be used unless it occurs where the scene is being shot. Three, the camera must be handheld. Any movement or immobility attainable in the hand is permitted. Four, the film must be in color.

Special lighting is not acceptable. If there is too little light for exposure, the scene must be cut or a single lamp be attached to the camera. an interesting one five optical work and filters are forbidden six the film must not contain superficial action like murders weapons etc must not occur seven temporal and geographical alienation are forbidden that is to say that the film takes place here and now eight genre movies are not acceptable nine the film must be academy 35 millimeter and 10 the director must not be credited so that's all their rules right there and um that i guess should give you an idea of what

the presentation of this film is like. So you're basically almost looking at like kind of like a home movie quality thing. Like stop and start record if you could make a movie like that. Yeah, that's why I thought Dance from the Dark was one of them. Oh yeah, like, also the way they used the style,

the way they used this style was very different. Like Von Trier and that used it to contrast like the classic Hollywood movies. He was kind of mocking. And here they use it like what you were, saying to make it all seem more naturalistic. And I think the way this film is shot just adds a whole another layer to it. It makes it feel much more real. I felt like I was watching real people throughout the whole thing. And it totally, yeah, I thought it was fantastic. Yeah,

it makes it feel like a home video almost. You feel like one of the family members yourself sat there with a video camera kind of observing the horrible stuff that's going down. It totally engrosses you in the in the in the sort of dynamic and and grounds the whole wackiness that of the story and how extreme it goes it does keep it level headed and it really does engross you and into the places that it does go i will say with the how unique it is at first it does take a few minutes to get used to it but once once you figure out where they're going with it and how it does really add to the film it does improve the experience a lot i will say there were a couple maybe two or three instances where it did kind of bug me.

And it kind of pulled me out the movie because it was, it was achieving the opposite effect to me where it was reminding me that it was in fact a movie. And it was sort of a high point of tension and I was really into the story. And it kind of bugged me just with the way the, it was all to do with sound, I think. There was like a weird cut and the sound just sounded totally like it was from a different moment in time. And it was like, not too, not too keen on that, but it was such a minor thing. compared to the artistry that went into putting together most of the other sequences in the movie,

which for the most part are pretty flawless, including, like, there's, I was reading some of the trivia in the sequence where the main character kind of gets dizzy and falls over. They do a little trick with the microphone. They spin it round in the air to give the audio that strange effect to kind of add to the dizziness thing because they're not allowed to do any sort of audio work in post. So it does force them to be creative, yeah, it's really, cool. Yeah, what I find interesting about the audio in particular

is if every bit of audio is produced with the images alongside them, obviously you're going to get a lot of, you know, when a scene cuts, you're going to hear the audio cut in some way. Not every single time. Sometimes it's going to be

more noticeable than others. But what I find interesting about that is not only did I get used to it very quickly, once it's like a part of the film and and it's like, oh, this is like the whole movie, it's not really that distracting anymore. But I also thought about the fact that, like,

when you're doing things like the dinner table scenes and there's like an entire crowd of people talking, not only is it a bit more effortful to actually have all of the extras talking and having their own independent conversations in the room, but it also kind of fixes other issues that films that do that, kind of thing in post get so often. Because one of my pet peeves when it comes to films is when there are characters in a loud environment, whether it be a bar or even like this family dinner scene where there's supposed to be a lot of crowd chatter. They film the scene in complete silence and just

get the actress to talk. But it seems like 99.9% of the time, not even kidding, like almost every film ever, whenever they film a scene like this, they forget to have the actors talking louder than normal. They forget that the environment is supposed to be loud and that they'll add in the loud environment in post. So then you just have like, you know, you have a club scene and there's all this like bassy music

like, like, bhram party and crowds screaming. But the characters are talking at this volume to each other. The characters are just talking normally. It's like, that's not how it works, you know? Like the club scene in the social network, they were yelling at each other and I was like, holy crap, there was a movie that actually

considered that before adding the sound and post like thank you David Fincher but there's so many like almost every single movie forgets to do that and I found it interesting that that was never the case with this film because they actually had people talking so the volumes of the characters were genuine because they had to be otherwise they couldn't hear each other I found that kind of interesting yeah and let alone the technique the the performance and the actual story in the way it's gradually trickled out is so perfectly done from the sort of slow start and you don't really know where it's going or what this reveals are even going to be. I had a sneaking suspicion what might

be going on because of I'm a big fan of the director's other film The Hunt. It's one of my favorite movies. Big fan of that movie and I thought there'd be more. I have not. Oh God. Definitely check it I haven't seen that one. I think it might be better than this movie. Yeah, I think the Hunt is better everybody check out the hunch yeah 2009 no it's later 2012 or something

I think so 2012 okay somewhere around there there are elements of this family that that feels so realistic as you said Ralph like you see elements of

if you guys have like a big family and know what that dynamic is like you can there's certain characters that you can see reflected and the kind of things you would experience and

about 36 minutes in when the bomb is dropped at that amazing scene where he reveals with the he makes the dad choose from the two scripts and he chooses the green one which is like the truth script or whatever and it just really adds to the whole it is a spiral from then on

just watching the family totally collapse because at the beginning they're a whole and by the end they're pretty fragmented so there's like a real art with the whole family plays on the fear of something going wrong at a family reunion. Whenever I go to a family event, I just hope that nothing goes wrong

and that no one fights with each other. And this is like the worst, the worst nightmare case scenario, what could happen. And that's why I found it so entertaining. And funny, too. Because although this doesn't sound like a comedy, I did find it as a very dry,

very dark sense of humor. But I did find it very funny. It is listed as a black comedy in many places. And that's a lot to do with the execution, too. You know, just any other director handling the subject matter would not play it like a comedy. But he does and it works. Yeah, it makes it more realistic, too.

The slow burn of it, too, that reaction where the family, after that first reading of that script, where he reveals the truth, no one really reacts properly. They're just like, oh, he must be joking. Yeah, because how do you fucking believe that? Like what the fuck would you do? Exactly, yeah, that's exactly what people are like. Whereas in a more typical movie, maybe they would have all started screaming and there'd be a fight and it would be like the most expected thing ever. But that's what helps it feel just so genuine and real and so sort of intimate with the family. There's just this awkward silence mostly.

And they just keep ignoring the horrific shit that is being said. This happens multiple times where the guy comes in and starts telling the stories and everyone just goes, oh, let's go on the next room everybody. Don't worry about it. Skin crawler. Yeah and I mean like it's a fascinating study of just how denial can can play on on people because you know if you if you've known someone your whole life it's like their 50th birthday they're a family member and every experience you've had with them has been positive and it's like okay like you know you think you know a person you know there are pedophiles that exist they're probably like nice people outside of raping kids who knows like there are people that are able to get away with this kind of shit

because nobody would believe that they would do such a thing and it's difficult to, you know? People don't want to believe it and you can tell the family itself is just like they don't want to believe it because it's a horrible thing to have to come to terms with especially in your own family like holy fuck.

I found the wife's reaction very interesting too. Oh yeah. Because she's kind of on the sidelines this whole time and she probably knew what was going on and never said anything. So she's just kind of quiet. Denial man. Yeah. And I, you know, was just a lot of shots of her face, just

staring silent. She's a great actress, so I got a lot from her facial expression. Yeah, there's that scene where she has her own speech, which is like all these backhanded compliments to all her kids, and it's like, look at you. You're like, you're a monster. You're just as bad as him because of like

what he's made you do and how you've reacted to this and you've chosen him over your own kids. It's really disturbing in a lot of ways. Yeah, just keeping the lie going. I mean, there's people that exist like that because it's like... Exactly. I don't know. Like she's married to the fucking guy. Like how the hell is she going to come to terms with that?

I think most people are so dishonest. Well, not most people. I think there's a lot of people that are just so dishonest and would be in as much denial about the situation where they just pretend it isn't happening. Like there's a lot of people that exist like that on the planet where they just hope something goes

away, they saw something. Like she, apparently she walked in the room and he was like, get out. Like, as he was fucking the kid. And, and, like, that moment, just imagine what, what she must have done in her own mind to, like, ignore that, to, to, like, compartmentalize it. Suppress it. Like, pretend it was a dream or, like, oh, he must have been doing something else. Like, what fucking lies would she have been telling herself?

There are people like that that exist. The way she responded to that situation is very natural and realistic way that a lot of people would react to that. And a lot of wives have been in that situation where they have an abusive husband and they just choose to ignore it because it's easier. Because you're married to the fucking guy, you know? Right, you're married, you have this

whole life with him. You have a house, you have a job. The second you acknowledge that truth, your whole life is over and you have to like restart. Exactly. And people don't want to. It's like in, um, what's the other movie we saw about pedophiles? Happiness. Bohemia, that movie. Yeah.

The human... You know, one thing I did find quite interesting about the whole setup is they don't make it entirely clear whether or not it's genuine at first in terms of they kind of plant the seeds like he might actually be kind of crazy he might be mentally ill so you're left questioning for a while hang on me is this movie doing a fast one on me is it trying to test like what I think people you know maybe are capable of or who you side with based on accusations alone or that kind of thing. But they do trickle out in such a way where it is kind of a payoff and you do feel vindicated

by the end with where it goes with how the family kind of rightfully falls apart because of it. You're right there with the family. At first you don't even believe it. You're like, this can't be true. It can't be true. And then everyone lasts it off and you're like, oh, okay, they laughed it off. It's probably fine.

Guys, just crazy. This is crazy. And then 40 minutes. minutes later. Just watching the mother when she delivers her speech and half of it is just talking about like

oh yeah well he had an imaginary friend when he was younger and he can't distinguish fantasy from reality and just immediately just her goal is to just discredit this story and it's like it makes so much sense there's people that would do that

you know. Yeah. The father's reaction. was very interesting too, where he first starts with the accusations, and he doesn't like have this flip out or anything. He stays very calm and like brings him downstairs and they talk it out for a bit. It's like how a real family would handle his situation. Yeah. I don't remember doing that. You're crazy. But then when he actually snaps towards the end and lets out that line that it was all you were good for. Yeah. That is like the true, okay, yeah, you're guilty. Yeah.

That was rough. That's a, that was a rough moment. Yeah. That's also just like a very realistic reaction in terms of like, okay, this person has been a lit fuse the whole fucking night. You know, like they're about to blow up at some point. And then that comes out.

And it's obviously like, you know, his gut reaction is just like, I'm going to make you feel like shit for what you've done to me at this moment. And that's all he's thinking. And then that comes out. And it's just like, holy fuck. well that flip that that that switch flips and he becomes that monster that you've never really seen up to that point and you're like Jesus fuck I don't know this guy and at the end he comes back like the like a rational adult and like I know you will all hate me for what I have done I'm sorry and then he walks out victim victim which he's still a piece of shit yeah so you know that's a great in that character it made sense I found there to be like a lot of really realistic dynamics between characters the only character that I thought was like a bit cartoonish at times was the Nazi guy. I don't know if his real voices like that. He sounded like he was constantly like barking. It was a bit cartoonish for me at

points, but otherwise it didn't really take too much away from me. Yeah, I was okay with that. I love the creative choice to have the opening and closing titles being shown through bathtub water written on the bottom of the bathtub. Not just because that looks cool and it's like, okay, so I'm not allowed titles because it's a Dogma 95 film. But that fits perfectly in line with the themes and the story. Because it's like, well, that's the, that was the location of the suicide. Like she drowned herself in a bathtub. And so it makes perfect sense. It fits. It's very impactful. It's very like, kind of like off-putting and disturbing in a good way. Love it.

Yeah. it sets the tone real well everything's very intentional one of my favorite sequences in the movie is the kind of treasure hunt moment where the sister goes into the room where the suicide happened

and she's kind of following these clues to get to the the suicide note that no one had read before but it's kind of intercut with these flashes of what you think is the sister in the bath and it's just a really creative, like, well-edited,

well-executed scene that I thought really stood out to me out of everything in the movie. That was my favorite sequence, probably. It's a really well-made movie, despite the Dogman 95 style, so it's low quality. But, like, the editing is terrific, like you were saying.

There's that scene he's running. Christian is running to the party, and he's, like, hopping over people and shit. That scene was really well-edited. Mm-hmm. The great use of Dutch angles and death of field, and really, he's a... Good director. I'd never seen one of his movies, but I plan on checking more of his stuff out now.

Yeah, this is a good first movie to watch from him, and I would recommend The Hunt for sure. It should be your next one. Those are his two best easily. Mm-hmm. Okay. I haven't seen every movie, but... It kind of fits within the same theme, too. They're almost like a double feature. They're almost companion pieces, but in different ways. Yeah, exactly. Let's not say anymore.

When it comes to the Dogma 95 style, there are certain aspects. of it like I wasn't I wasn't a huge fan of the kind of like dream sequence near the end because that was a moment where I feel like that kind of takes away from the gritty raw realism that we were experiencing the entire film because the dogma 95 you know as you said it feels like you're watching someone's home movie in a sense but now it's like oh am I watching someone's home movie of like a ghost or like a dream you know it was it was really really weird. It was kind of creative. It's like, okay, he had a candle or something, and, you know, like there's some creative choices in that sense. It's like, okay, this is interesting how you're trying to pull off kind of a

flashy editing technique without it necessarily being one at all. But, yeah, I mean, there are some aspects where it helped and some aspects where it didn't. I really enjoyed the spinning camera scene transitions. Those were really cool.

Those could fit in any movie, Dogma 95 or not. I mean, there's other movies that have done that, but for this, it felt really appropriate and fitting. Yeah, it's one of these movies where it's so excellent and it achieves what it's going for so perfectly. Aside minor quibbles and quibbles, I mean, what else does those people really complain or go into, you know? Yeah. I would never watch it again, or at least not for a while, just because of how uncomfortable and experience it is. All right. Yeah.

I feel the opposite. I'd happily watch it again. Yeah. I think this was my third watch or something, but I hadn't seen it in so long. I needed a good refresher. I think I'd like it more a second time to be. Oh yeah, me too. I think I would too. Now that I know what I'm going into. Exactly. Exactly. It's a great movie for a second watch. I was looking up the Wikipedia page for Dogma 95 when my roommates were asking about it after I showed this film. And I laughed because under the tab for criticism, guess which film critic criticized the movie? Roger Ebert? Armand White Hey

My boy What's his issue with it American film critic Armand White criticized the movement saying that it was The Manifesto that brought filmmaking closer to amateur porn He believed the movement Would be rejected as insignificant

by film historians which of course is the exact opposite Go Armand White It's all right Aram you keep it up Dunkirk was bad because it wasn't patriotic enough Oh is that what he said

Yeah he bases all of his all of his reviews On his own conservative political beliefs And nothing else He doesn't he doesn't know anything about Whether or not the film was like well made It's literally just like Does this align with my political views Yes or no

And he's a film critic on Rotten Tomatoes Yeah he's a published film critic Oh cool The best He's the reason why Moonlight doesn't have 100% he was he was the one rating gay movie there was no conservative

gross we don't make movies about gays this is get out of here perverted he's a funny guy we're getting close to amateur porn yeah come on why is this shot on a shitty camera if the only dogma film he watched was von trueres the idiots

then I could almost agree with him yeah and once you see that movie you'll understand. It's not, it's, it's, it's interesting. It's definitely unique, but it is almost amateur porn. Oh really? Cool. Certain scenes for sure. Oh yeah, you can watch it. Let me know what you think. It's, it's, uh, it's a very uncomfortable film. Is that what all these dogma films like do? They're just like, we're going to make you really uncomforty. Well, because this style works best for that. I mean, it's a really ugly looking movie. And here it's to show like there's this sinister underbelly to family. Like, this is this normal reunion, but it kind of looks...

It adds the chaos, too, because it's all handheld, shaky, yeah. When they're, like, arguing, there's that scene, they're arguing, and the camera's, like, just, you know, panning back and forth between them. It's very phonetic. I love that. I think that in terms of creating a story like this, where you understand and you're aware of and you're purposefully creating these kind of limitations, not just in visual presentation, but in story especially, I think that this is just one of the... the best well-thought-out concepts that you could make for this. Really?

Yeah. Like, it's a perfect drama that focuses on the characters and performances at its core. And I believe that this was actually adapted into a stage production at one point, which totally makes sense. Yeah, because you could easily have it as a play. But I think it works very well as a film, too. That's a big thing. Yeah, it doesn't. This doesn't feel like the shitty play that they just...

on script alone is what I'm saying. Yeah, you're right about that. This isn't like fences or anything where you're like, wow, it's like a play, but they recorded it. It's like a genuine film that uses location and sound and everything to its ability. Yeah, I would like to see more movies that are told in an interesting way. You know, like Good Time. It doesn't have to be specifically Dogman 95. Exactly.

Good Time is a great example. limitations can make something way more cool. Yeah. Having a unique style. Because if it's consistent, and especially if it's purposeful, too, it's like you can get used to it really quickly. Not every movie has to be made the same way. Steve In Spielberg.

No, we don't make that. It's too risky, doesn't it? People are too scared to try it because, I mean, you can see how this film could have gone wrong if they didn't have the material or the gumption to pull it off. So you can see why. scares filmmakers away. But it does pay off, though, if you can get it right. Yeah.

And it's also, I mean, part of the reason why Dogman 95 isn't a thing anymore is because like you can literally just film a movie on your iPhone now. So like back at one point, it was about purposefully making restrictions where, you know, the norm would be, okay, how do we, how do we prop this film up with like soundtrack and editing and blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, how do we make up for its shortcomings in the story, et cetera, et cetera. But now it's like any movie can do that And it's not really a Dogman 95 movie anymore

But it kind of is It's like a whole new movement of iPhone movies Tangerine and Stephen Soderberg's making a few Yeah oh yeah Stephen Soderberg is a great example of that Unsaid and his new movie too That's why I love him He'll do anything all kinds of genres Have you seen Bubble?

No, I haven't That was an interesting Soderberg movie Very weird The best thing he's ever done I think is the Nick Which is that show It's fantastic and what's his name, Cliff Martinez did the score. So it's like this

1900s period drum about a hospital but it's got this like electronic score. It's awesome. Oh, cool. You should totally watch all of that. All right, I guess we said everything we wanted to about this movie, right?

Mm-hmm. I thought it was really good. I'd give it a four out of five. Nice. Yeah, I thought it was excellent. Not quite as good as the hunt, but it came close. It really won me over by the end. I gave it.

four and a half stars out five. Nice. I give it a nine out of ten. Great movie. Nice. Damn straight. Love it. Time for questions.

It's question time. Although I do want to say last thing on Dogma 95. Sure. I think the philosophy behind that kind of thinking is kind of more necessary and needed than ever now in terms of budget filmmaking

because look at the films that succeed best and I keep jumping to in my head like Deniseville Nerve with Blade Runner and Arrival and the decisions he made specifically with sort of special effects and how to use them and applying limitations to it is they always look better that way whereas you know you can clearly tell the film

like Aquaman or any of these stupid big blockbusters with infinite budget that they never stop and think to maybe limit what they're capable of, because now you can do anything in a computer. Exactly. It's amazing how much CGI stifles creativity when you think it would do the opposite. When you can do anything. I rewatch 2001 the other day,

and there's that split screen or the split scan effect at the end, you know, where it's like all the colorful bars going through. And it's all done practically, of course, because it's 1960. And yet I've never seen anyone with a computer make something, look that cool or create a concept that looks that interesting. It makes it timeless. It's just something about doing it practically. It always, it has a feel and it feels real.

It's like, I wish they would do that. Computer animation is essentially just outsourcing scenes of your film in a sense. It can be. I think a lot of directors just basically do it that way. And once you have the eye for it, it just ruins movies, too. It does. You just see how. It's always noticeable.

Yeah. Not always. You can't say always because when you don't notice it, you don't know. David Fincher's good at hiding it. We mentioned him earlier. But he's got a visual effects background, so he knows how to do it properly. Yeah. There are tons of visual effects everywhere in a lot of movies that you would never even expect.

Have I ever told you about the demo reel for the production, the animation company that worked on The Wolf of Wall Street? They showed like a clip of all the effects they did in that movie. It's like, oh, wow, I didn't even know their effects on that scene. There's a lot. Yeah, no, that one has a bunch, doesn't it? You're not kidding. Every movie has tons. I mean, even Lover.

Lover's a fucking $10,000 movie. There's tons of, tons of visual effects are in that movie, tons. Yeah. Like, erasing shadows and fucking boom poles in the shot that we had to erase. Nice. Stuff like that all the time. It's just part of making a movie. But still, that doesn't mean you should just put the actor in a green screen room and fucking make everything later.

Exactly. Yeah, that's the issue. It's the difference between touching something up and just, you know, replacing what the scene could have been. Yeah. Anyway. Okay, let's do some questions. We've got some good ones this episode.

Before we go into them, though, head over to the Sada on a cast of Reddit. If you want to leave your own for us to answer in subsequent episodes. Let's start off with one from Tunisian. Where do you see Sardonicast in a year, considering we are just slightly over the one-year anniversary of Sardonicast? It's been a year, apparently, guys. I know, right? It has been a year. We started with the Oscars.

The Oscars was our first episode, so... That's true, yeah. Yeah, that's right. It's crazy. And Cloverfield. Yeah, Cloverfield Paradox. Yeah. Everyone remembers that one.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'll just write it out. I'll see what happens. The acknowledging that it's been a year thing. Yeah. I could see me being replaced by Jeremy Johns, but that's it. Who told you?

Can't hide it for me, Adam. I know you're looking for a new host. A new co-host. Jeremy Johns or the Sinicin's guy, right? Those are the two you considering? Yeah, I mean... Son of a bitch. I see us...

having more guests. I feel like the podcast works really well even without guests. Like this isn't really a guest-centered podcast. But I would look to see some more people for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Just to have some people on every once in a while. When we have guests, it's very casual. Yeah. It's very casual when we have guests on. We just talk about the movies like we normally would.

Yeah. When other people aren't around, we bicker. We fight. Yeah, we fight a little more. It's a good friend fight. you know yeah it's it's friendly yeah we're not serious yeah after the podcast I cry to myself all right bye guys see you yeah I don't know it's uh it's difficult for me to

answer a question yeah I can never answer this question where are we gonna be in a year I don't know I could die you don't know what's gonna happen yeah I could live in the moment I could win the lottery I don't know Let's try to get Alex Jones as a guest Let's make that the New Year's resolution What's his favorite movie

Alex Jones or Alex Jones? I don't know What do you think? Hmm Probably something by like Sanjay Gupta Okay

Wait I thought of the wrong person We'll leave it there Alex Jones's favorite phone It was something from Sanjay Gupta Man I totally flood the person That's not even who I wanted to talk about.

Now I don't even know his name. Dinesh D'Souza. Dinesh D'Souza. That's his name? Yeah. Who the fuck is that? Just a guy that makes propaganda. Oh, okay.

Sanjay Gupta is like a medical expert on CNN or something. Yeah, I was wondering, I'm like, why are you, okay. I don't know why I confuse the two names. Okay, let's move on to a question from S Destroyer V. what's the most offensive movie you've ever seen? I've got quite a good answer that's relevant to this very episode. I gotta go with Birth of a Nation.

Birth of a Nation? Yeah. The old one, the one from the 30s, the one that's like the pro-KKK movie. Oh. They show in a Black Klansman, right? They show a lot of things in that movie, don't they at the end? I can't remember.

There's a scene in Black Klansmen and they're watching it. that's a very offensive movie so do not watch birth of a nation unless you want to be a film historian okay anyway my choice feeds

back into the it was actually created by the the now best picture winner writer and director of green book movie 43 you've seen that gem oh god you've seen that comedic masterpiece

i've seen yeah i've seen fucking hate that film I fucking despise that film That is an actual Offensive insulting comedy I cannot stand that movie I love how it came to be It feels like

They have something on all these celebrities Like they've got blackmail on them all And they force them to be in this comedy That's honestly how they basically tricked everybody To be in it right Because it's like you get like a Five Minute segment All you need is one Hollywood star to say yes

And they'll be like Oh whatever it's just a five minute it you know, fuck it. Like, it's a paycheck, whatever. And then once you have one Hollywood star, then you're like, we have Hugh Jackman in our movie. And then everybody else, somebody else is going to be like, oh, I want to be in the same movie as Hugh Jackman. And then when you've got more and more celebrities in it, then more and more celebrities will want to be in it. And so that's basically just how it happened.

It was a big ruse. It was a big trick. God damn. Yeah. Yeah, that's my pick. God. When I think of movies that, like, offend me, it's either going to be for, you know, I guess one of two reasons.

One of them could be like it's an American remake and they just completely miss the point like Spike Lee's old boy was just fucking offensive to me. It's like what you don't even respect the original movie at all, do you? Like what movie did you fucking watch? You know, when you put this piece of garbage out that's offensive to me. The Last Airbender has that too.

M. Knight's Last Airbender movie. Other things that are offensive to me in films can be like if it has a very unintentionally twisted sense of morality where you take a character that through all reasonable measurement is a total gigantic piece of shit and then pretend like as though

they're supposed to be sympathetic you know like Chloe and life is strange like this is a terrible person this is a terrible person why that why the hell are you pretending as though we're supposed to relate to and care about and love this character as though she does good things you know There was like the, there was a criterion movie called Heart of a Dog where like I can't even, I can't even remember all the specifics to it. But I remember watching that and being like, holy fuck.

The person that made this movie is like a manipulative asshole. And it's so weird how it's presented because it's like they never acknowledge it. What's a recent one that came out? That Melissa McCarthy one. What was it called? Oh, can you ever forgive me? Can you ever forgive me? Like, she's a total asshole.

She's a piece of shit. she basically like killed her cat like why are we supposed to feel sorry for this person she killed her cat they do it they do it in the another one of her comedies identity thief I fucking hate identity thief yeah I fucking hate that that character is the most unlikable

little bitch I can fucking I hate that character yeah no exactly yeah and they pretend like oh she had a bad childhood fuck you they expect she to feel sympathy for it yeah no right not on Those are some things that offend me. I mean, if the movie's good either way, then sure, but usually they're not. If they're doing shit like that.

Right, because then they just have poorly written characters. Speaking of, what was it called, Life is Strange. You have a question from Pirate Disco King, YT, who says, Do you believe that a good film adaptation of a video game is possible? When adapting from a short story, novel or play, you're bringing to life a character by representing them with an actor on screen. But is it possible to make a film version of Lara Croft or Nathan Drake, for example, that isn't just an inferior copy?

Also, is there any joy to be found seeing characters on screen doing the things you've done yourself in a game? No. I am 100% convinced it can't be done. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced. I'm totally convinced. Well, did you see the uncharted...

live action short. I forget. They made a live action short of Uncharted. I think it's unofficial. It might be, I don't know, I don't know what it is. It is unofficial, yeah.

It's like a fan project. The point is, it was bad because the whole time I kept thinking, that's not Nathan Drake, that's not Sully. And, like, just the idea of translating a video game, which is a completely different,

like, medium into a movie, I just don't think it works, and it never has worked, unless you're somewhat, like, if you take the interesting world of a video game, game, like let's say fallout and make it into a movie, like set in that world.

Oh, yeah, like the universe with different characters. Yeah. Like, set in the Skyrim universe. Set in, yeah, set in the Mass Effect universe. Yeah. But the idea of translating a story or a character into a movie, it's not going to work. It's never worked. I would love to see a movie in the Halo universe, but I don't think that Master Chief is a very

compelling character. He's intentionally. He's intentionally. It's Nathan Drake. It's a performance. He's intentionally a blank slate. Well, yeah, it's like this weird circle where video games get all their cinematic, like, inspiration from movies already. So, taking it back to being a movie, it's like reductive and taking it...

It's like boiling it down in something it shouldn't be. I do agree with the certain worlds a prime for kind of more exploration in terms of stories. but when you're just adapting characters like, God, there was that time where they were going to do like a Gears of War movie, a Halo movie, a Bioshock movie, all of these franchises and things known for their characters, right? And you can't straight adapt it because no one's going to do it justice and it's always going to be distracting and confusing and bad.

Yeah. And it's like they're planning a Last of Us movie and an Uncharted movie, which I think are two really bad. How are you going to make a last of us? movie. Yeah. What are they going to do?

They're just going to remake the Last of Us? Yeah. It needs to be long. Like, The Last of Us is already like a mini-series, you know, with like cinematic cutscenes already with great performances. And there's nothing that making a two-hour movie would improve from that material at all. No. Yeah.

Do you think a television show from a video game would work? Like a mini series? Because they're making like The Witcher. The Witcher with Henry Cavill. is coming out. I'm not convinced that even a film could never work. I would never say that it's impossible. I would like to see it done.

I don't think it really has been done. But I would never say it's impossible, whether you're talking about a movie or miniseries. I cannot name a single video game movie I like. And there have been some talented people who have tried and failed. And, like, I just don't know. They're so restrictive. They're so restrictive when they're working within already existing, like,

characters and things. Like, I tried watching that Assassin's Creed movie for a few years ago. Unwatchable. It's just nauseating. The same with that Tomb Raider movie that came out, like last year, whatever it was. What's the point? Oh, I saw that Hitman movie because I love Hitman. I saw that original

and the new one, Hitman Agent 47. They were both fucking awful and they totally missed the point of the game. So, I don't know. These kids, too. Some of them, like, how do you make Hitman into a movie? Hitman's a fucking literally a block of wood. He has no personality. He's just a hired killer. And you're going to make a movie about him?

What is he going to do? I think that part of the problem is that these are very successful intellectual properties, but they're from a different medium. So you've got a lot of money behind it. You're going to get a studio that is not going to give it to somebody who's actually passionate about the project. They're going to hire a random director for it. You know, they're going to be like, oh, you make movies that make money here. I'll toss this to you. But chances are that director is not going to have any sort of familiarity with not only like the medium of video games itself, but probably the actual game itself. They're not going to understand what makes it special, why people like it. Because they're separate industries, right? They're completely separate. And although there are

elements of each industry to be found, you know, in both, it's still just, I don't think that there's a huge amount of crossover. And it would have to be, it would have to be somebody's like actual passion project. The closest that we can. got to that was, I think, maybe the Silent Hill movie, where the guy was, like, fighting for so long, like, please give me the rights. I want to make a Silent Hill movie. And even though it wasn't great, it wasn't like a great movie, there's definitely faithful elements to the film adaptation. Yeah, that's probably the best one. That's one of the best ones, yeah. And that's because it was a guy that really, really wanted to make a Silent Hill

movie because he loves Silent Hill. That one and Warcraft, because I think Duncan Jones really wanted to make Warcraft. Not a good movie, but you could tell he gave a fuck about the world and everything. Like all that's very developed. It feels like one of those movies made for the fans type deal. You have no clue what's going on if you're not familiar with that world. It's pretty deep in that universe. There are two Life is Strange fan films on YouTube.

I know you already know my opinion on the games. I think that they're cringe-worthy as shit. and terrible. But the fan films are like the game. It's like the same thing. Like the characters are the same. You know, like the environments are the same. It's like this is the most accurate, faithful adaptation I've ever seen towards a video

game ever. And it's like it's a fan film with kind of terrible audio and camera and acting. But like so is the game. You know? Like, the game's terrible. You know, like, everything about the game is terrible. And so it's like, it's like I'm watching the game. Like, I've never seen anything like it.

Like, I'm not even kidding. Like, I gave it a thumbs up and I subscribed. I'm like, damn, son, this is like I'm watching the game. Are they worth playing, though, for that element of how bad they are? If you are a fan of the Life is Strange Universe, whether ironically or not, you should watch these fan films. Really? But you have to, I mean, if you don't know anything about Life is Strange,

then you might just be watching a random movie with a bunch of high school, 20-year-old people acting, and it might not give you anything if you're not already invested in the Life is Strange universe like I am. You don't want to see a Life is Strange movie then? I think it's going to happen anyway. I think they're planning like a TV show or a movie or something. Really?

They're always planning. They never happened. Exactly. They were playing in that Halo movie forever, and then Neil Blancamp just made something else. Wait, they're actually doing a Halo TV show now, like Showtime has it booked in.

No. they're shooting it. Yeah, they're doing a series, and it's supposed to be, not my words, but they describe it as their Game of Thrones type thing. Like Neil Blumcamp's shorts that he made for the Halo franchise. Yeah, they're great. He's someone who's good with visual effects. But those are short again.

Like, when you make a two-hour movie, you got to care about the characters. And I don't know if that's going to happen. Yeah. So. Spacey fork says, what is one thing that y'all find odd about

each other's countries? Y'all. Hmm. I find it weird. that Americans complain about the title of the favorite even though that's how you're supposed to spell it Oh damn yeah that's it that's the only American spelling I mean there's plenty of I mean How long do you want me to talk? There's a lot of weird shit There's a lot of weird shit about your country and about everyone I mean it's just cultural differences really

But it's like why did you why did you get rid of the letters in certain words? Why don't you like look at a map of the countries that you Fahrenheit and Celsius. Look at a map of the countries globally that use the metric system and imperial. Like, what the hell is up with America? Why is it so stubborn? Because we're fucking tricks. What are we going to change it for you?

Everybody in the world. It's been this way forever. It's been this way for 20 years. It's not my fault. I learned inches and feet. So I measure everything in yard. No. It's like your country is admitting that you're incapable of learning something new. I'm not learning meters. Get the fuck out of.

We're all sticking with inches and feet for now Because the alternative is to learn something else Which is not gonna happen But if you just start the new generation You know if you just change the education curriculum And teach them meters, yeah Why not? Then you'd be with the rest of the world Yeah, we need to fix way more about the education system

Yeah, probably We got other things to work out before that But things about your countries, I don't know I don't think you know anything about any country other than America because you're American. Oh, that's the way Americans are. That's another thing. You don't know anything.

UK, your food. Your food sucks in the UK. That's kind of weird. Right? I've always heard Americans say that, but like, what does it actually mean? They don't like crumpets. What, that your food isn't good? What do you have?

What's like the traditional UK? Like, if I go to America, there's burgers, steak, fucking, chicken, fucking, and then you got like all the different cultures. You got Chinese food. You got fucking Indian food You got all kinds of good stuff UK like what is what is the UK known for in terms of food Bangers and mash

Yeah That sucks I'll never fucking eat that garbage Bangers and mash is good Yeah Bangers and mash Yeah The go to like takeaways here A Chinese

Indian Fish and chips Yeah fish and chips Fish and chips And like Yorkshire pudding It's not a meal How's it not a meal How's it any less than a meal?

Of course it's not a meal to an American You guys don't even understand portion sizes Bam No no no We have two cheese burgers It's fat Yeah We know how to eat

We know how to enjoy food You know how to eat too much Bam like the UK They gotta outsource all their food Because we're a tiny island Like France has amazing food They're known for so much great food In Italy and Germany

Like what The UK's got nothing You got fish and chips Oh, come on Once you have good fish and chips You'll be alright You'll like to be changed You can make anything

What's weird about Canada? In any country You just go to a supermarket And buy ingredients I want to know if you know anything About Canada, Ralph Canada I feel like there's a lot of weird

About Canada Like what? You guys are too nice Oh boo Oh boo Okay, in with the nice one It's a funny stereotype Is that actually true?

Is that actually true? Yeah, it's not really harm full. At all. Would you say it's genuinely quite true, though? Yeah, of course. There was a, there was a, there was a story about a hitchhiking robot. Basically, it was like this, this tiny little thing that had like a camera and could

like talk or whatever, but, you know, nothing complex. It, like, held a sign saying, like, I'm trying to get across Canada. It started on one end of Canada and made it all the way to the other. And it was considered this, like, huge success. Like, oh, wow, people just like, you know, picked up this. robot drove it in a car and dropped it off at a place and then somebody else said it was kind of cool then they tried it in america and within a day it was like destroyed it was literally fucking crash they broke the robot like somebody fucking destroyed it because we don't give a fuck

i think i think um you know Canada has its own political issues for sure and yeah there's some divisiveness between provinces etc etc but i think you know living right next to america it's very difficult to consider many of our problems to be all that serious. Hey, we all got problems. Yeah. What's a serious problem with America? I don't know. Poverty, school shootings.

Like, there's a few. Hey, you got your issues too. I don't know them because I don't know anything about Canada. There's like states where it's legal to not hire someone because of their like sexuality and, you or gender identity, you know, there's, there's states where it's very difficult for women to get abortions, you know. Like, there's a whole list of things in America that, health care, there's a big one. That's another thing that you're not with the rest of the world on yet. Damn, Adam's going in.

I don't know. I think our health care is fine, but. Yeah. We could argue health care another time. But ours is free in the UK, and it's not doing too good at the moment. Yeah. No, right. All the countries with free socialized health care have pretty bad health care. I wouldn't say so. From what I know.

Well, that's because you live in America. I think, well, my health care is very good. And I think most people have pretty good health care in America, from what I know. I mean, I'm no fucking expert on health care. I don't think any of us are. All I know is a lot of socialized countries with free health care have bad health care. Depends how big there. Most of the money you spend on health care, I believe, is like the last 10 years of your life. so just a fun fact makes sense but what about like

as far as odd things about other countries my one for America is the the immense costs that go into the military like honestly the amount of us dwarfs it's insane it's like 600 billion

or something a year yeah it's our biggest three times the size of China it's crazy to me devil's advocate point coming in here. If America didn't do it, would another country have to?

That's a part of the alliance here? I think our countries don't really have to because America does. I think Canada doesn't have to have a giant military because it's like, oh what? You're going to fuck with Canada? We got America buddies over here. We're right next door.

We got your back. We're their hat. You're going to fuck with America's hat? I never heard Canada. I mean Canada referred to as America's hat, but I like that. Yeah. Yeah. You're our pants.

Yeah, it would just be Russia then, who would have the largest military, and we don't want that. China. You want Russia to have the largest military? Yeah, global foreign policy. We literally will keep everyone else in line, because even if China and Russia took us on, we might beat them. Yeah. Yeah. And, Eddie, I haven't, I'm still waiting for you guys to shit on Canada.

a little. What can we say? There's not much to say about Canada. You guys are fine. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're fine. I think we're doing pretty good.

Too fucking nice. I like letting hair. Think about the stereotypes. None of them are harm for us all. No one can think of anything. It's just maple syrup, hockey, and that you're nice.

Wow. There must be some, like, hidden secret about Canada that we don't know about. You're all, like, pieces of shit. Like, you must have some, like, dark secrets. Do you have, like, like caves where you fucking hide children and like keep them there forever or something that you all know about like this underground cave network i don't know

who told you yeah i mean like every country has their issues there's you know there's there's corruption and politics and you know corporate interests being put it ahead of uh public interest and you know canada has its own history with you know racism et cetera and just you know terrible things that that have happened. But again, living right next to America, it's really difficult to feel like our problems are that big. I think we're doing fine. You got no shots to fire at the UK over here? Come on, give us your best. Well, I've never been to the UK is the problem. I've never actually been. So it would be very difficult for me to make accurate criticisms. You guys, I don't know, You guys have some interesting words every once in a while.

It's kind of funny. Oh, yeah, here's my criticism that I think I understand, just, you know, being a person on the Internet, is what your police force is, like, going around collecting people's hammers and shit, saying that they're weapons and, like, censorship and, like, that whole... Cucks, yeah.

Like, Count Dankula thing, and, like, oh, no, you can go to jail for, like, saying words. Like, Canada doesn't have... as much free speech as America does on paper, I guess. But like, it's not as Orwellian as the UK seems to be at this point. Well, yeah, it's an issue when you can be prosecuted and go to jail if someone breaks into your house and they scratch their leg on the glass. Yeah, that's weird.

Stuff like that. Well, like, you're not allowed to injure people that come into your home or break in or stuff like that. You're not allowed any kind of weapon on you. it's illegal to have to like carry mace around or any kind of weapons you can you know use to harm people yeah yeah with us it's the exact opposite we could just walk around open carry yeah yeah well it's it's hard to get it's hard to get a gun it should be harder uh it's hard to get a gun it's a lot easier to get a gun in america than it is in canada that's for sure yeah yeah absolutely

but it's not like you just walk into walmart and get it although in some Actually, that's kind of true. Yeah, you can buy them from Walmart, actually. Not an assault rifle. You can get like a hunting rifle. Yeah. You can't get it like a pistol. This is a very dense question.

He just asked us if there's some weird things about our countries, and we ended up talking about freedom of speech and gun control. Global foreign policy. Yeah, global foreign policy. Yeah, on this movie podcast and a bunch of memes and shit. The military budget. Yeah. What's a funny

What's an odd English word You meant then? I want to know what you find odd about my language I don't know I'll bring it up next time you say one I guess I can't think of one I say them enough to the point where you can point out Every once in a while

I don't know Rigomer roll You said rigmarole Yeah that was one I think That's a good word That's a good UK word There's a few out there I don't know

We're good at, you know, swearing and stuff. I would have to visit the UK to get a more thorough understanding, really. Yeah, just don't bring like a weapon. I'm not planning on it. Yeah. Our country's got legal weed now. We, we're behind over here in terms of that. It's still illegal.

No one actually cares, though, at all. Police just don't care. You should get freedom of speech first and then you can worry about the weed. That seems like a problem. pretty important one. Canada's definitely got issues, but like nobody pays any attention to what's going on in Canada anyway. So it's like we just all deal with it ourselves. It's a bit of a cluster over here, to be honest.

You got it right over there in Canada at the moment, I expect. I think we're doing fine. Yeah, we can do one more. Yeah, okay. This is an interesting one. I want to know your guys' opinions on. We've touched on it briefly in the early days, nearly like, year ago I think at this point but Ralph's Jencom has a question about our thoughts on films

with exceptionally long run times such as excuse my pronunciation of some of these but satan tango you heard of this it's a seven hour and thirty minute long movie alongside the evolution of a Filipino family which is nine hours and 53 minutes long out one which is 12 hours bella Yeah? Yeah. And Rezan, which is 14 hours and 33 minutes long. Would you watch them? Are you willing?

What are your thoughts of movies that long? I've never seen a movie that long. The longest movie I've seen was, I think, Lawrence of Arabia, right? Three hours, 48 minutes, yeah. That's nothing compared to the 15 hours long, maybe some of these are. I don't know. I don't know if I could do that. Yeah. I could do it in chunks.

There's like, there's like a guy that's like making the longest. movie ever and it's supposed to be like weeks or some shit. Like he released like a 72 hour long trailer online and it's just a bunch of random. There's no story I don't even, I don't know, look it up. It's literally just like someone's just filming a bunch of shit.

Yeah, he's just filming a bunch of dumb shit. Literally. And it's just like, okay. You just want to be in a Guinness Book of World Records. I want like a legit movie made like that though. Like a week's long movie. That's made like an actual odyssey. You should check out Lev Diaz

Norte the end of history was great that one's four hours, ten minutes long. That's like a really great movie I think that you both should watch it honestly. Maybe recommend it one day. Yeah, maybe. Maybe I could do that. Did you watch it in like one

setting? Yeah, I think so. I watched it twice. It was on my 2014 list, I think so. Yeah, I mean, like I'm sure I went to the bathroom. but yeah I mean this guy is I think he's from the

Philippines but he's basically known as kind of like a figurehead in the slow cinema movement if that's a thing yeah there was a film he made called From What is Before

and that was five hours 38 minutes and that was pretty good God damn he's a good director It's a matter if it earns it, you know? Yeah. There are so many movies that don't earn their running time. If you can make a 10-hour movie that earns every hour of it, then go ahead. But if even three hours are bad, then that's hard to justify to me.

It's like marathoning a miniseries. You might as well, right? Like, there's no difference. Miniseries are essentially just movies, but, you know, every hour there will be some sort of cliffhanger, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, they're structured to get the emotion. emotional punch in that hour. To make you want to click next, you know?

Right. And I figure a lot of these movies aren't structured like that. I think a 72-hour movie doesn't even have a structure. It's probably just a bunch of shit. Of course not. It's too far going to that point. If it's just random shit. You would have to invent a new way of telling a story for that to work.

You'd have to have like a 20-act story. Yeah. We'll see. I'll check out that Bayla Tar one at one point. I don't know when the fuck I'll do that, though. I'm going to be mentioning that movie I can't remember what it was It was like this really obscure

Like six hour long movie Oh yeah It was like some pretentious or something Oh um The cremeister cycle Yeah Yeah those are bullshit Those are bullshit

Yeah those are funniest idea to me Those are just pretentious garbage Yeah The idea of making a movie that long already is kind of pretentious. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to like not, if the number one thing about your movie is, it's long.

And that's like it. It's nothing to do with like the actual quality of it. That's not a selling point, buddy. It's just like a gimmick. Yeah. Right, you got no respect my time. Could have made a movie that was five minutes long with the same resources. And it would have been better.

It would have been way better. Yeah, the, um, uh, creamaster completely out of order. some of them are like short films some of them are let's see how long this one is cremeister five did they have a story it's it's like it's like a image imagery it kind of has a story it's

it's like it kind of just wants to be holy mountainesque but doesn't know how you know it's it's one of those so he released a film his most recent one was in 2014 called river of fundament and uh that one is five hours and 20 minutes long. And you can't find it

anywhere because it just does like the only screenings that it does are like at museums and like I guess like I don't know I checked on the website and it's like all these art galleries and stuff screening the film just random places but like I don't know just put it on put it on iTunes or something

let me watch it. It's got Paul Giamati in it. Oh really? Yeah it's weird. Maggie Gyllenhaal Ellen Bernstein. I went to like an art exhibition somewhere and that Kiwi actress from Lord of the Rings was just in it. Kate Blanchett was just in this random installation.

It's weird. It's cool. Yeah, if a long movie is good, then good. I think there is such a thing as too long. Where it's like that just gives the point. It's like, okay, you just wanted to make a long movie, but you don't give a shit about the actual movie other than it just being long. so yeah all right it's about it I guess oh another one done we've done it we've done it boys we've done it we've got it it's been a year

or more I think it's been more than a year now yeah happy anniversary oh is it is it is it is it yeah is it it actually is this time Ralph it actually is this time okay good Perfect. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure. I like how you said. There's no fucking complaints. Yeah. All right.

So the movie I'm recommending for next episode is a movie by Martin Scorsese called After Hours. Okay. It's from 1985. You guys haven't seen this, right? No. No. Good. 85 Scorsese.

It's on my watch list already. Yeah, so mine too. You guys will enjoy it. Dang. Nice. That's good. brilliant it's a nice change of pace too

because it's a fun movie and it's not a piece of shit like Madagascar so How easy was it for you to find the celebration Alex It was very hard for me to find It really

It was easy, it's easy for me Just on Amazon It was like one hundred fifty to rent Awesome Glad to hear Yeah I was pleased about that I already had the DVD, so. Oh, no.

Yeah, sweet. This one should be easy to find the Scorsese movies. Yeah. Pretty accessible. All right, yeah, if anybody listening wants to join in on the discussion next episode for After Hours, directed by Martin Scorsese, watch it before the next episode. If you do not want to be spoiled. Actually, after hours is available for free on voodoo with ads. Oh.

So for those of them don't have money. Sorry. Maybe somebody else will. For those of you who want, you could just do that. Or just pay three bucks. Free is free. Yeah. Yeah.

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