Sardonicast - Sardonicast #30: Climax, After Hours

Episode Date: March 27, 2019

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Three, two, one. Hello there. Sephyrham 17 once again. This is my Sardonicast brutal difficulty walkthrough. Hey everybody. This is Sardincast. Nice. We've stolen so many intros over the year.

It's a much. Not stolen. And I decided to do one from a channel that is a little lesser known, Serafim 17. because I've been getting a lot of regular exercise recently, and the reason I've been able to do that. You know what, fuck it. We should introduce ourselves.

I'll explain it that. Because I was just about to go on this story, and I realized we haven't even said who we are. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. Ralph, I'm Ralph from Rube Maker. I'm Alex from A.E. Oh, my voice. Oh, God.

What you do? Oh, hell. I'm dying over here. What'd you do? I don't know. I'm just... Anyway, I'll try to keep this quick. I've been getting a lot of exercise recently.

I have like an exercise bike in front of my projector downstairs. And the way I've been motivating myself is by playing like really difficult video games because the idea is that I kind of forget that I'm exercising if my attention is on these video games. And so I'm going through the uncharted remastered PS4 thing. And I already beat it on crushing a while ago. And so I'm trying to beat it on the brutal difficult. which is one that they added for the PS4. And there were a couple points where I got stuck,

and I needed to look up a walk-through. On an exercise bike? Yes. So it's like a stationary bicycle with a comfy seat, and I just had my controller, and I'm looking at the screen playing video games, getting exercise at the same time. It'll be fit in no time.

It'll look like the rock in no time. I've already lost some weight, actually. Yeah, that shit does help. It's a good motivator. It's a rock with an exercise bike. bike, but you'll do fine. But yeah, this YouTube channel had very helpful walkthroughs and some good commentary, so I decided I would steal their intro this time.

Shout them out. It's a little weird to spell. S-E-R-A-P-H-I-M-17 in case somebody tries this search for it. Thanks, buddy. Yeah. We're recording this about an hour late. So why is that? we forgot about daylight savings again

yeah it happened last year and I'm I guess I'm an hour ahead behind I can't keep track anymore I forgot it was a thing again like I knew it happened in our time zone Ralph and I are in the same time zone now I switched the clocks on the microwave and whatever I forgot that not every

time zone does it at the same time how does it like I still don't get how it was no I searched it apparently we have it here in the UK at the end of March, like the 31st of March, which is handy. That's so stupid. It's stupid in the first place. Saturday, 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah.

I was in Vegas and we were going to go to a club. The Lema was going to pick us up at 2. But that hour didn't exist. So it went right to 3 and the limo didn't come because you're like, there was no 2 a.m. Oh. What are you fucking kidding me? That's really, really funny. fuck? You requested

a ride for a specific time but the time didn't exist so they didn't think you are that's amazing. What a loophole. That's Vegas, dude. Whatever. They got us eventually, but

you know, I had to change the time to one that existed. That's so stupid. The savings doesn't make any sense in the first place. We don't need it. Yeah, fucking hate daylight savings. There's a reason why it exists. I think we went through why before Yeah

It's not a good enough reason At least have it on the same day for everyone or something Can't keep track They didn't consider back where they invented it That the incident might be a thing And people from around the world Might be communicating I suppose that wasn't on their minds at the time

That's kind of hard to foresee Yeah Well there's certain places that are like getting rid of it Like British Columbia is debating it It's apparently So we might get rid of it which would be hilarious to be out of sync with places in the same time zone further south at certain points in the year.

Yeah, I might just add to the confusion. And I guess if just enough places get rid of it, then everybody will feel like they have to. And I guess that's kind of the goal, is to abolish it once and for all. But there could be a good reason. That's why I don't want to abolish it. Could be.

Yeah. What do you mean by that? I mean, it's hard to explain, but there's got to be some scientists who was like, He knows math or something. And he explained, he's like, we need it, because if we don't, then a volcano will go off or something. He'll explain. Like, there's probably some reason like that. You have too much blind faith in the system, man.

I do. There's too much to worry about. You've got to have some blind faith in this stuff. This is already set in stone. There must be a good reason for it. It's not going to change. Weed being illegal. There's probably a good reason for that.

It was pretty brief. Being illegal in the U.S. Pretty brief. You're still illegal here, man. Don't forget about the UK. People went to jail. I mean... No, no, I'm kidding.

Don't trust tradition. It's your enemy. Yeah, man. Breach the truth. So, uh, everybody finally saw the new Gaspar Noe film. That's how you say it? Is that how you say it? Well, he's French, right?

It sounds a little much. It's Gaspur in O.A., I think. I think just say it like that. Whatever. I'd like to hear him say his own name at some point. Yeah, I would like to also. Yeah. Have you ever seen that reviews with him?

He said he has a very fun personality. Oh, he's hilarious. Did you see the one where he shit talks Black Panther? Yeah, he's like, I hate Black Panther almost as much as I hate that new Star Wars movie. Yeah, he's hilarious. funny. He says most movies are just so stupid. He watches documentaries so he gets some like educational benefit out of watching. It's pretty funny. But yeah, he's a great director. I saw it. Well, I mean, he's, he's kind of hit or miss. I, uh, I really love irreversible and enter the void and climax,

obviously. I saw his second most recent film called love. And I saw that at Tiff. Yeah, not very good. And it was I, yeah, it was not great. And it was in 3D at the TIF screening that I went to. And there's a cum shot in the movie where it's literally just someone jerking off at the camera, like close up on dick. And it's in 3D. So the cum shoots in your face in the theater. And then like after the movie, the director and actor were in a Q&A. And it's just like you see the guy in the room and in front of you being like, wow, you just came on my face.

like half an hour ago and during the Q&A he was basically literally Gaspar Noeh. It was just like, yeah, we didn't have a script. We could just kind of made it up as we went along. I was like, well, that explains that because it wasn't structured at all. That's the way he makes his movies, though.

I mean, yeah, sometimes it works out really well, for sure. Like, climax is kind of like that. It's heavy improvisation. Like, he worked with those actors to create these characters. Exactly. kind of constructed it from there, which was interesting. But yeah, for love, that didn't work as well.

But you see, like, hints of that acting method and all of his stuff. Climax had more of a goal and idea in mind. It had more of a vision, whereas love was just like, eh, these people smoke opium and fuck. And that's, like, come on. You got to have more.

Climax is a sellable, solid premise. Yes, for sure. And that kind of catapults everything. Yeah, it's got a good quote. can immediately understand. Sangria. Yeah, Alex, what do you think of it? Because on Letterbox, you said you had no idea how to assign a score.

Yeah, every now and again, a movie comes along like this that is so against formula, where so many movies that we watch are just like, yep, Nelswyn, this is going to happen. And you can kind of rate movies based on that kind of scale. But this movie is just so it does feel improvised a lot of the time. And what it's going for is so extreme in every way possible. I felt just about every emotion a film can bring out of you throughout the movie, whether that be great enjoyment or frustration or anger or fear. So at the end of it, it was just kind of stunned me to the point where I don't know how I could fairly assign a number to it. The last film that did this for me was the film Mother from a few years ago.

Which one? One of the Aronovsky one, right? There's like three of them. There's more than that. Yeah. I wanted to talk with you guys more for even attempt to try and assign a number to it. Because I know you really love it, Adam, don't you? This is what you're number one for 2018?

Yeah. I consider it 2018. And that's when I saw it the first time anyway. And that would be my favorite film for sure of 2018. Yeah. And Ralph, you obviously enjoyed it a lot too. Yeah, I counted as 2019 because it didn't come out here until 20. So then it's easily your favorite film of 2019 then.

Oh, yes, easily. I think it's the only one I've seen in a theater. Oh, right? Yeah, I loved it. You didn't see Escape Room? No, sadly, I did not. Yeah, every other movie I've seen just on Netflix or on TV or something. You didn't see Serenity?

This came out on Blu-ray in January, but I waited for the theater because I knew it would be worth it. And fuck, yeah, it was worth it. It came out on Blu-ray in France. but I think that they're getting a different distributor for the American Blu-ray release. It might be A-24. A-24 did a weird thing where they actually released a limited edition

VHS print of Climax. Yeah. There were only 100 copies, and I almost got one, but I couldn't in time. I don't know if I almost did. Maybe it was sold out way before I got there. Somebody from my subreddit got one.

They posted their picture. I was jealous. Oh, yeah. A-25. I would say, have no use for it. I don't have a VHS player. Oh, I would love it as a collector's item for sure. I do have a BHS player also. I would never watch it that way though. Dumb shit like that. This is a very unique film and all of the movies are. It's like he almost hates, well, I get that from his

interviews too. He just hates traditional movies and he tries to just fuck with it as much as he can with the structure and with pacing and with tone. And his movies are so unbelievable. They're like nothing else you've ever seen. He very much wants to provide a different experience. And he's almost like Lars von Trier in a way where he goes out of his way to be kind of controversial and to try and make people experience emotions that they may not want to experience. And even in that same vein, like, you could compare the promotional material for climax to the. the promotional material for the house that Jack built, you know, what

Von Trier did, and it came off rather obnoxiously, where he's really hamming up everything that he's credited for. He's like, oh, the concept is my idea and the credits and like all these posters with the director himself, Von Trier, on them. And it comes off as really kind of like, ah, you're kind of full of yourself.

Noe does the same thing. And there is a hint of that there for sure. But I think what makes the difference is the quality of the film for me is like, okay, you're allowed, you're allowed to credit yourself a bunch of times here because you actually did something fucking mind blowing, in my opinion. There are different filmmakers and they have different styles, but like, what no way does really well is the technical stuff. All these movies are very impressive on a technical level. And I have many friends here who have seen climax and they fucking hated it, but they can't deny

the craft of it. It's so beautifully made. That's exactly what I was going to say. And the performances are terrific as well. Yeah, it's one of those movies. I would never blame anyone for falling head over heels for, but at the same time not blame those who have a profound distaste for it, you know? It's just so extreme, I would not blame anyone to have, like, an adverse reaction. It's a very fucked up movie.

Yeah. This is actually, like, one of the more, I'd say, accessible ones. Oh, yeah. In terms of his filmography, there aren't, like, 30-minute long sex scenes in it. Yeah? Not just sex scenes, but like brutal rape scenes. Oh yeah, brutal rapes. But like even like the last part of Enter the Void

where he's just going around the Love Hotel and it's just people having sex. Oh yeah, that too. It's nuts. There's nothing like that and this. No, he's kind of a fucking perv. He's kind of a fucking pervert. He's definitely a pervert.

I think it's just extreme, like everything else. I think he's a fucking pervert. I'm not trying to make him seem like he's a bad person because of it. I think most people are perverts, but Gaspar Noewe loves to flaunt his perversion. Sure, but it doesn't feel out of place with the rest of

his style, which is excessive. Oh, of course. There's excessive violence, there's excessive loud music, and there's excessive nudity and sex. It makes sense. The concept of incest to Gaspar Noe is a parallel to the concept of... Yeah, it's in every movie. It's a parallel to the concept of Feet for Quentin Tarantino.

Yeah. I feel like what really helps this film is that it revolves around a bunch of dancers. And the concept of this film and what makes it work is essentially just one gigantic choreographed dance in a sense. Yeah. Like there's kind of extra layers to how it's purposeful and how it's orchestrated. And even the camera movements are like, you know, a perfect dance too. Like everything is super physical. Not to say that it doesn't have great dialogue, but when it comes to the dialogue in the film, as you said, it is very improvised and ad-libbed.

So for the scenes where he's got a bunch of them talking with one another, there's all these different shots of essentially people in groups of two, he just decided to get two different actors or dancers who have. happened to be acting in the film and be like, okay, well, who's going to have the most interesting conversations here, just told them to remain in character and kind of just left the camera rule and like apparently just like walked away and like let them talk for a bit, you know, and it was like, okay, I'll just decide what the most interesting conversations here are in the editing room later, which I think helps make it really natural. You know, the conversations feel really real. The party environment felt very real. Oh yeah.

Everyone had their own little stories going on and they would all intertwine and butt heads with each other. It felt like a real party. Like that shit happens all the time. It was really, that whole thing was really well made. I like the beginning with the little interviews on the TV and they have his, uh, his like VHS collection

around the TV and I guess those were like inspirations for him for the movie. Like I saw Suspuria was there and I'm like, yeah, the colors and everything. That reminds me a lot It's Asperia. And I haven't seen most of those movies, but I hope to check those out. Get some more context as to how the fuck he came up with this. Yeah.

Apparently the scenes shot in the snow were literally just him going, oh, hey, it's snowing outside right now. Let's get one of these. Like, just an impromptu, like, hey, we could add something in the movie like this. And it works really well. So it does. It kind of goes to show, like, if you're willing to be open. open to changes and new ideas and just go with the flow and film a movie in kind of a serendipitous way. It can work out depending on the film. Sometimes it won't work at all, but in a lot of films,

it can really work out towards its advantage, like, especially for for films that are not constrained to large studios and nosy controlling producers, you have the freedom to do that. So for something like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, the whole carnival scene, outside where the two characters go outside and there's people on elephants running around and shit like that was literally just them being like oh there's a carnival outside let's go get some shots there and it works really well it's really cool what you can do when when you don't have restrictions on on everything you're filming but on a technical level it's very rigidly plain oh yeah you could tell it's just on a story performance level it's very it's the word i'm looking for

improvised, yeah, and natural. It's somehow improvised and spontaneous, yet meticulous at the same time. Yeah, it's an interesting combo. Yeah, that's what really blew me away with the movie was just the technical direction of all of it, especially the camera work, and for every minute it keeps going, and there's not a single cut. And I'm just thinking about the planning and execution that had to go down just to get this to work. It was just driving me crazy, just thinking about how much work must have gone in to make this all work. It's like it's the kind of thing that could have easily fallen on its face if

if that planning wasn't there and you can you can imagine how it could have gone wrong But it's just such a unique experience. It's really difficult to talk about even in some ways for me Because like I have a feeling I would enjoy this a lot more the second time round because Oh yeah you just have no idea what you're really in for when the film starts and it and it plays the ending credits like first and you're just like wait Did I did I start this wrong or what's going on? Did they put the footage in wrong or something? And it's like, by the end, there is, there are payoffs and it does all come together. But I think because of just how out there and exhibitionists, a lot of it is, I did find some of it frustrating at points because I just, I couldn't really tell what it was trying to build towards or where it was going.

But towards the kind of last act, if you could even say there's, there are acts. When it really does spiral into madness and you're kind of like, okay, I see what the, what, what, what, is. going for here, just pure, unrelenting chaos, and it really gets that across, and it is genuinely disturbing, because it is, it is listed as a horror movie, isn't it? And for a while, I was like, it's intense for sure, but I'm not sure if I agree with the horror thing, but then things start happening. I'm like, okay, nope, this is, this is genuinely disturbing. The contortionist who's, like, laughing. Yeah. That was fucked up. That was, that was horrifying. Well, he's building on itself in terms of how horrendous is getting. I don't want to mention

spoilers because, you know, I'd rather people just watch the movie, but one thing happens, you're like, gosh, that's, that's horrendous. And then another thing happens and it just keeps layering on top of each other. And so it's like, oh my God, this really did just go wrong. Yeah. Oopsie. Gaspar Noe does love his weird credits. He does a great job with those. They happen in the middle of the movie.

The other credits, like the casting crew. Yeah. Or no, yeah, the starring credit, whatever. What's usually at the start of a movie. I love how stylized they are. Like all these different font choices, it works so well. And he obviously loves this kind of like techno, like house or whatever. I'm not even sure what the exact genre of music that he consistently uses is.

But he really loves that genre and he really uses it appropriately in a way that I have not seen other directors. do? Like, there is a lot of anxiety in the film that is brought on from the soundtrack, for sure. Yeah, it has that energy to it. It really drives it along and hammers everything now. Like, there are, like, scenes in movies that kind of have done that, like the techno music. Like, John Wick, I think. Like, there's an action scene in a club, and, like, that club music in the background adds to the intensity of it. But he brought it to a whole new level, because, like, it's, like, the whole movie has this fucking blaring techno music. And it only only, you know, gets more and more violent and chaotic sounding as it goes along.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely, it definitely does not let go once it starts. Once the horrifying things actually start, it's just like, okay, go. And it just, it does not hold back. It does not slow down. It's like a roller coaster ride. It's like one of these little. horrible events that go down

could have been the peak dramatic point in any other movie but this is just like the intro that eases you in with the first one and it just keeps getting worse and worse yeah so we all like the movie that's how it sounds I fucking love it and I did watch it a second time

too and I will say that like yeah once you've seen it already the build up towards all of the fucked up shit is more enjoyable, not like I didn't enjoy it the first time, but the very hypnotic and foreboding sense throughout the entire first part of the film is just so much more present when you understand where it's building towards. It's such a great buildup, I think. Yeah, I had a bit of issue with that very thing, the kind of pacing for the first half of the movie, because as I

say I was just kind of confused as to where it was going. Because when you hear the premise, you have a certain thing kind of in your head. When I think of kind of the way LSD is portrayed in movies, it's not really like this. Normally they go, they lean into the kind of visual side with all the kind of things characters are seeing. But it's really not like that at all. The cameras kind of detached from what the characters are seeing. And it's just this floating monitor that's kind of just documenting what's happening.

It bugged me while I was watching. it but afterwards the movie has stuck in my head and I'm I'm sure that if if and when I see it again now I know what's coming because I have that same thing with a lot of movies where especially when they are as out there and crazy or something like this um subsequent rewatches only improve it so that that's yeah that was the main sort of criticism I had from first viewing and it's certainly we've all said it it's not for everyone oh yeah and don't watch it with your parents I have minor complaints. I didn't like the title cards all that much,

like the random ones that just showed up. And they said like these things. I forgot what they said. They're like the band names. Yeah, I don't know what that was. I didn't like that. I loved it. The warp stabilizers sometimes was a little noticeable.

Did you guys notice that? Mainly toward the beginning. Nope. That's only something that bothered me then. But that's it. Like those are the only two. things I had issue with. Otherwise, it's a fucking great movie. There's a few minor logical issues that I have with it, but, I mean, it doesn't detract from it being my favorite movie of 2018,

and it doesn't detract from the massive anxiety attack and a half that this film offers. And especially for people who have had, like, really bad trips on psychedelics, this is just a very, anxiety-inducing film 100%. And it's great for that. I was trying to figure out if the film is trying to sort of be anti-drug in any way, or if it is purely just using that as a way to show these crazy visuals and just this... I think he just wants to show it the way it is. It's not pro or anti-anything.

Yeah, I don't really think that it... But you should show this in schools as an anti-drug PSI. It's like the best anti-drug. like, holy fuck, I never want to touch a drug again in my life. Yeah, I don't think it really had a concrete political message or anything that it was trying to offer. It's just hard to be like, after watching it and then if someone came over and was like, hey, do you want to try some LSD now? You probably be like, um, I'll get back to you on that. Yeah.

Yeah. Get a trip sitter. Be responsible. Yeah. But I think I asked you the first. time you saw it, um, if it was sort of an accurate portrayal of LSD, because I'm no expert on the drug. Um, I was wondering what that kind of side of it was like. Drugs affect different people differently. And yeah, you know, there's, especially if a certain amount of these people had, have never taken the drug before and B, they were slipped it unknowingly. And C, yeah, there was a massive quantity.

of this drug that who knows how much of the drug some of them consumed it's completely believable for these people to be acting in that way yeah so i i didn't find any issue with that and i i found it to be a very accurate portrayal of the kind of i guess uh confusion and insanity and especially the um the the main actor actress whatever the way that she ream to everything happening, even when it's a detail, like, you know, she bursts into the room and, and, like, as soon as she sees the painting of the forest, there's a moment where she gets entranced into it, and she's like, and, like, looks at it. Like, that's totally fucking accurate, where you can see, you know, an image of something and get sucked into it and be like, oh, I'm in a forest now.

And it doesn't explicitly communicate that. It doesn't spell it out for people who might not have experienced that or might not understand that that's kind of what's happening. But I think it works better in that sense because of it. Like it doesn't spell everything out for you. It's just like, wow, these people are having some really fucked up things going on in their head right now. Yeah. Yeah, I'm wondering if any of the actors will try it first to sort of give them inspiration. Yeah, who knows?

Or if it was just based on descriptions on it because I remember reading for like, like, you know, train spottings all around heroin. I mean, you know McGregor kind of played around with the idea of taking it to help, but I don't think he did at the end. Yeah, that's a bad idea. I could see an actor doing that. Yeah.

Yeah, it's, uh, I think that it is something that you can communicate to an actor, as long as they're willing and open to kind of let themselves go and, and, and, and, and, you know, I, I think it is something that people can pull off without having, personally experience the drug, I guess.

Yeah. All the performances are totally like unflinching. And you don't, you don't like doubt for a second that they've really ingested, you know, this quantity of LSD. Yeah. It's, it's legitimately insane. And one of the things that this film does well in terms of portraying how these characters are acting is like, when you take, I guess, psychedelics and when you're really fucked up on them, like,

one thing that it will affect is your environmental short-term memory so like as soon as you're in like a different environment or a different room You can easily forget about things taking place outside of that room and so you get characters who have Experienced some really fucked up things and all of a sudden you know they just go into a different room and start making out and everything's fine for a second and then You can see them come to terms with it and start to remember like oh wait no this did actually happen and then get sucked back into this terror that they're experiencing that they were just forgetting about. I think that that's super accurate. Yeah, I love the sets and the use of the one location, and they would go from room to room,

and then they'd go back in these rooms later on, and the lighting would be different, and they'd be a little more fucked up, like, things would be knocked over, and it gives a different sense, and it instills the sense of dread. I love that part of it. Yeah.

It's just like, every aspect of it is perfectly executed, I think. Yeah, it really helps give the sense that even if the camera isn't following certain characters, even if the camera isn't showing you things that are happening, there are still things happening where you can't see them. And you hear it in the background. Yeah, yeah. You hear shit going on. Exactly. Like, oh, God, I wonder what the fuck's going on back there.

Yeah, I love films that do that. A good example of that would be a wreck, the Spanish horror film that. got remade into that shitty quarantine movie. Yeah, I really love it when the film has a sense of action taking place that you might not be seeing. And it doesn't need to show you every single thing and it can more or less imply. Yeah, it helps for that natural feeling of the piece. Because like where it goes towards the end, it almost feels like they've fallen into hell. It's so horrendous.

Yep. It is like hell. But all of that groundwork they they put down in the first half does help that, you know, make sense and feel grounded towards the end with the way they've constructed it in terms of what you were just saying. So I think that's like essential for the ending working. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess, uh, yep.

Yep. You guys said pretty much everything you wanted to say about it. Yeah. It's just so good. and you should all see it. Yeah. You just have to see it to believe it, yeah. Yeah.

I wouldn't recommend it for the faint of heart, though. There are some people who could watch this and be in a much worse place because of it. And quite honestly, this movie kind of fucked me up after I saw it. Like, I was in, like, really stressed out mood for, like, an entire day, at least after watching it. But that's part of what makes it great. I love films that make you experience. something, even if it's an emotion that makes you uncomfortable, I think that the

film did its job. That's what art is, isn't it, at the end of the day? In the same way that I like being scared, you know? In the same way that I like, you know, you can enjoy a roller coaster ride. Yeah. I agree. What's your rating? Did you think of a rating? Alex? Let's do a rating.

Do you have, are you any closer to giving it a number rating? Or are you still just like, oh, fuck it. You see it for a second time first if you want. I'm going to hold off till I see it a second time but I do think it would obviously be somewhere between eight and nine probably around about there for me. Yeah. Just because of the tech, the technical aspect, you just can't ignore it. It's so, it's so impressive on that, let alone everything else they achieve in it.

Everything else. Any minor issue I had, I'm sure it will be fine on rewatch. What about you, Ralph? I think it is bound to be a classic or a cult classic At least Yeah sure So yeah I could see that Five stars for me

Awesome I've only seen it once It might go down But I highly doubt it If I see it again I bet I'll like it even more The second time Yeah

I give it a nine But it could change to a 10 Over the years It's an amazing film I have a couple issues with it They're kind of nitpicky and I'm not really going to go into them. But I mean, it's not like a perfect, flawless film,

but I love it very much. And I, you know, I would sooner watch it than a few other movies that I would give a 10. Like, I love it personally a lot. And sometimes that influences my rating to whether or not I should give something a 10. So we'll see. We'll see what happens.

It's a 9 for now. It's closer to a 10 than an 8. Nice Why don't she introduce the Thing? Yeah Introduce the movie I recommend it in a movie

Called After Hours Directed by Martin Scorsese It's from 1985 Spoilers Spoiler warning Explain the plot Yeah Give us the gist of what this film is

So there's an ordinary guy named Paul Hackett Played by Griffin Dunn Who goes on a date To meet this girl And doesn't really have a fun time so he wanders out and just finds himself lost in the middle of the city with no money and no ride home. And it's just a series of shenanigans and things going wrong.

And it's a classic. So what did you guys think of what's name of this movie? After Alice. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Good. I thought it was really funny. Yeah.

I wouldn't say it's one of the best. But you see how it inspired other movies afterward, these kind of like one night. Everything goes wrong. eventually everything goes wrong Yeah, I felt familiar Kind of like, I don't know, Vittoria Kind of, like this is kind of The first one. Oh really? And it's played

Really for laughs. Yeah. And it's very Fresh and fun. Scorsese made this. He was trying to make Glastentation of Christ, and I believe the funding fell through, or there was some production issue. And he was really upset for a while. And so he just kind of picked up the scripts

because he read it and he thought it was fun. and yeah it's become like this iconic movie now that's great yeah I um I might disagree with you when you say he's a normal guy because I I kind of felt like he was a bit of an asshole oh yeah he's totally an asshole he's an asshole because he's sick of his mundane life like he's that fucking office worker New York type

and then like he gets thrown into the the muck of the city and he's like what the fuck am I doing in here, I hate this, I just want to go home. And he's kind of a dick, but I just found him hilarious in this situation. He's a very lovable kind of dick. I don't, he he's relatable in some

ways, but I wouldn't call him lovable. I found him to be an absolute asshole. There is so many points in the film, and I get that he is like frustrated, but there are so many points, especially like earlier on in the film, where he blows up completely unwarrantedly,

if that's a word. But that's what makes it funny is that he's an asshole. If he was a likable guy, it wouldn't be as funny. I think. Well, I mean, you're watching a dick, and then all these bad things happen to him. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, you could, I just found, I just found him to be completely unreasonable at points. Sure, but it was an interesting, different way to play it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of the, I think, even though this is a comedy, and I think a lot of us found it funny, it's also, it's got a very dark sense of humor, and there are things that happen in it. that aren't funny.

Like, there's suicide in it. There's crazy, like, violence and shit like that. Sexism. Like, there's things in it that are not fun at all. And that contrast and tone is very interesting and makes this stand out even more, I think. Yeah, honestly, I didn't find the film particularly funny, really. I thought it was more sort of sad.

Yeah. I like, I like, not sad as in, like, a bad way, but it is just kind of sad and, like, like a bad dream. It felt like one of those dreams, those recurring dreams you have where you're kind of stuck and you're meandering around and nothing's going right and it just keeps going on and on and you have

no idea what's going on. I thought in that respect it was quite fun and I like the idea of having a main character who just is having a bad time and doesn't want to be there and is just sick of it. I thought that was a nice hook. It's kind of like playing off the the typical

way a story like this might go down, the kind of meet cute thing where you meet a girl in a coffee shop and then you can imagine where that would go, but it doesn't for this guy. He just has a horrible, awful night. He does. Part of what makes him likable, I think, is that he's very proactive in the situation. He doesn't like take shit or wander around like aimlessly. He's always trying to find his way home.

He always has a goal. And he just keeps getting himself deeper and deeper into the situation with everything he does. And that's what I found so funny about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous and goofy. I love how all of this just sort of came about because he was looking to escape in a sense. Yeah, like I guess he kind of like fell for that kind of, kind of cliched fairy tale kind of story. Like, I'm going to go meet this girl.

It's going to be great. It wasn't really about the paper weights. That's what makes him relatable, I suppose. I love how things kind of just unraveled for him. I love a good everything goes wrong movie. that's one of my favorite genres I think it's like a good piece about New York City

I think it captures New York City really well and the nightlife of New York City yeah like there's just like this lawlessness at night like everything like every man for himself at night it's fun it's a very fun idea it's not like realistic

have you ever seen a a downtown community in New York that's so connected and coordinated or yeah unified and capture capturing these burglars

that was a whole fun thing too there's like these burglars in the neighborhood and everyone thinks it's him these two other guys keep stealing everything that siren was on Rouse and by the way everybody oh of course yeah there's always crime everywhere I go

I'm in L.A. now there's still sirens outside yeah it follows you it follows you yeah There's some really interesting filmmaking in this movie, too. I really love the scene where he's talking on the phone, and it's kind of like a zoomed-in panning shot. You can tell the camera's, like, moving a considerable distance around the room on a dolly as it zoomed in.

Is this the beginning? Yeah, close to the beginning. Yeah. I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed the... Even in the credits, they did something somewhere. Yeah, I was about to say the credits. Yeah, that was impressive.

There's a lot of impressive cinematography in this. Yeah. There's the shot where she throws the keys out the window, and that's an infinite shot, because they just threw the camera at the window, at the actor, like on a wire, and he, like,

moved out of the way, like, at the last second, and they used the shot in the movie. That was the only way to get it was to throw the fucking camera off the building with a wire. Jesus. It's a great shot. Yeah, it is. I'm glad it worked out.

Yeah. The editing's really good, too. The film has a really great pace, like all Scorsese and stuff. He's really good with actors. The characters in this are great, and they're overplaying it. They're a little cheesy, but they're fun, and every character is very memorable. Yeah, the cheesiness doesn't take away anything for me, because I feel like that's all just a part of the film's tone.

Like, it is intentionally absurd in many ways. Nothing about it's realistic. Yeah, like, the recurring gag is that he just keeps running into crazy women. You know? These characters probably would... Basically, everyone he runs into is fucking crazy.

Yeah, like, you probably would never run into this many crazy people in one night, realistically. But it just keeps happening. That's what I mean about the, that dreamlike, quality it has it really does feel like that for me that's why the sort of logical stuff didn't it didn't bug me

in the slightest especially towards the end where he gets sort of encased in Pape Machet or Mod Rock or whatever that was like it's so ridiculous by then but then with the final shot you're just like yeah it will just I was half expecting it to end on him just waking up in his bed

fucking tree it would have been awful but I wouldn't have been surprised Yeah. Yeah, the logical stuff at the end kind of bugged me. The paper machet thing. The logic bothered you about this? There's no cars on the street, the whole movie. There's no like pedestrians or anything.

Everything, the streets are completely empty, which is unrealistic to New York City, but that gave the film this certain sense. Like, yeah, no one's going to fucking help you, which is hilarious because he's like in these one of the most populated areas in the fucking world, basically, and no one wants to help him. I think part of the reason for that, though, is also that, like, it was pissing, the entire time, which I thought that that was a really good excuse for the sequence of events in the film. Like it kept him rather than him just hitchhiking outside or something. It kept him

needing to be indoors. You know, it was the excuse for him entering the bar. Yeah. It was the excuse for him going inside that woman's house. And so I felt like that was a perfectly reasonable good excuse for the conflict in the film. Did you find it funny, Adam? Yeah, I found it I found it really funny. And of course, you know, in scenes like him discovering the dead body, I didn't laugh out loud at that moment. I was kind of like, oh, shit, you know? Like there's some kind of shocking, serious moments for sure.

But overall, I do enjoy dark humor and I do enjoy absurdity. And I had a good, pleasant time watching it. I thought that it was more funny than anything else personally. Yeah, I didn't find it laugh out loud funny. but I found it kind of kooky would be the word I'd use it's just kind of quirky and odd and that's what kept it entertaining

and interesting to me I didn't think it had to be sort of laugh out loud hilarious at every moment so there aren't like these big jokes or set pieces as much as there are like Paul would just say funny things or like when he was in the room and he'd flush the toilet and then the toilet overfloated

and he was like fuck this is just like another little thing that went wrong I thought that was hilarious It's just kind of like awkward moments He's looking in the window and that guy gets shot and he goes I'll probably get blamed for that That's probably the funniest point in the movie Yeah It's like not dealing with this

Sorry Yeah there were some I guess more like Subtle humorous moments You know like the the girl who's Revealing this terrible thing that happened to her and then at the end of her her long story, she just kind of awkwardly stops and is like, so there you are. It's so minuscule in terms of the comedic aspect to that, but I found that kind of funny. It's like, oh, so there you are.

Like, whatever. It was really weird. Yeah, it's just awkward. It's kind of, yeah. So this is one of few films that I didn't watch all the way through with subtitles because the subtitles on iTunes were just garbage. Really? Yeah.

They would appear like way too early consistently. Oh, really? Yeah, it was kind of annoying. They were somewhat inaccurate in certain parts, but not in a way that would normally make me turn off subtitles. But they were, uh... It was mainly timing. Yeah, it was like they were, they spoiled the dialogue, basically, and I was just like, oh, well, I just got to turn this shit off. So then when, uh, that really hilarious character shows up,

in the apartment who's really intimidating and he's such a minor character who only shows up for a tiny bit I couldn't tell if his name was horse or horace do you know what his name is I didn't look it up on IM-B

I couldn't tell Let me see What did you interpret it at? It's forced H-O-R-S-T Oh it's wrong Twice Horst

It's okay It's a very odd name I guess it's Dutch or something There are quite a lot of gay people in this film Yeah, quite a lot of that's the bar scene all about Yeah Is that like a downtown New York 1985 thing? Yeah

Or is it kind of like adding to the humor I guess Because I guess in 1985 if you're going to show Super Gay characters It's probably for a laugh Maybe Well New York City had a huge nightlife too Yeah, I'm not saying it would be like completely inaccurate or anything. Oh, yeah.

I don't know. I guess they were playing it for a laugh, because they specifically blocked that scene so you could very clearly see the gay guys, like, feeling each other's nipples and kissing and stuff. The BDSM dudes with their nipple pinching, just kissing at the bar. The club scene was very weird.

And Martin Scorsese was in that scene. He was the guy operating the spotlight. Like at the very end, the very Nguyenstein, hands up to the guy manning the spotlight. That was really weird. Which is funny. And it's kind of like an allegory for the movie almost. Like, he's just kind of like shining the spotlight on this one fucking guy is having a miserable night. I found the Cheech and Chong cameo to be pretty funny.

You guys know who that is? I don't know. Oh, my fucking God! I guess they're like Canadian. But you don't know anything about Cheech and Chong? I thought they were pretty big in America. I know the name, but I'm... Yeah, they played the two dudes that were stealing shit

with the thick accent. So like Cheech Marin plays bonzai hyena in The Lion King. I guess Ralph you haven't even seen that. But Cheech Marin has got like a very distinct, very funny voice. He's made tons of cameo appearances, both voice acting and otherwise. And Cheech and Chong are basically like,

Like just two dudes who did a lot of really bizarre stoner comedies throughout the... I forget which decade. It must have been like 80s, I guess. But yeah, they're considered, I don't know, like, I thought that they were well known. But it was really interesting that Cheech and Chong had cameo appearances in this film, and they were kind of major characters at the same time. Yeah. Yeah.

They weren't vital. You guys don't even know who Cheech and Chong are. No. I'd never seen him. I've heard of them. Yeah. It's just one of those names you know, but... What did you think of Howard's scores short? No, Howard Shores...

Howard Shores Shored. In my head, I was like, I've got to avoid sitting back, but I did it. Howard Shores, Howard Shores, Howard Shores. That was good. Yeah. I really enjoyed the soundtrack. I thought that it fit the tone really well, but I do kind of have a pet peeve

for synthesized trumpet, which was very acceptable in the 80s, but not so acceptable now. Synthesized trumpet does not sound good. It's irritating. It was only in one track, I think, but in that track, I was like, it's just one of those things where, like,

in the 80s, since we're, you know, relatively new for synthesizing things like trumpet. I guess. Like, you could have that in a film score or in a song, and people wouldn't get irritated by it because it was like, oh, this is new, and it was less obvious what it was of just some guy dicking around on a keyboard.

But now it's just irritating. Otherwise, I thought this movie was good. While we're on complaints, I do think the movie kind of drags, like, I don't know exactly where. It's kind of,

the movie doesn't even really have a structure. kind of so it's hard to see where it's like before he starts getting chased by the ice cream truck and all that it's like in between that and the bar stuff I found all that kind of dull or not as interesting as it was before

like I think the idea of keeping up this tone for like 90 minutes it's hard and I don't think it entirely succeeded for the entire time but most of it works and most of the time it is fun it is a very repetitive movie that's for sure

so if you're not like like super into the comedy or the, I guess, excitement of what it's offering, then it probably won't be a great film to watch. I mean, I enjoyed it for what it was. I thought that the repetitive aspect was kind of more or less just a part of the joke. You know, it's like, oh, this is going to happen again and again and again. And it's like, okay, you know, that's kind of what it's going for in that sense, I felt. Yeah, I thought it was fun. I barely made any notes. because it's just like, yep, it didn't really say anything profound, but the ride was fun.

It's very well made. Yes, extremely well made. There's a lot to enjoy about it. He captures New York City very well. He's the best of that. Him and Woody Allen are the only two who can capture New York City that way. He's more like the sinister underbelly, Scorsese.

He focuses on that, but he captures it super well. Yeah, I have a couple notes of things that I enjoyed here Or just things that stick out to me, I guess I love how when he's having the phone conversation at the beginning And he's talking to the artist girl or whatever The friend of the girl who he wanted to meet And then as soon as the girl that he likes picks up the phone Like his entire personality essentially changes

He's like, oh hey, like his voice everything about the way he's communicating changes and it kind of just emphasizes that he is kind of a manipulative douchebag right he's like this fake like New York City office worker type personality which is why Scorsese wanted to throw him like in the fucking street and like let's just see him dance let's see what happens

I love the shot of the taxi driver's face when he's told that the money flew out the window like that look he gives is just so So weird. Yeah. I love that character too. And then the payoff with that later when he has the money and he takes it drives away. Oh man.

I felt I felt bad for the main character at that moment. I was like, come on. Yeah. Come on. But I guess assholes do exist. Yeah. Like everyone in the movie is an asshole, basically. I would say most of the people he meets are worse than him or weird than him.

So it makes you kind of root for him a little bit more. You forgive him, yeah. You're like, all right. At least I understand this guy's motivation. I love how when the girl that he wants to meet finally shows up at the place, he feels like he has to run back inside to pose on the couch. He's so awkward that he couldn't have just said like, oh, hi, like, as she's coming up the stairs or something. Like, that was really weird, kind of funny.

Yeah. He's just a douche. He's that much of a douche. Big douche. I love how he decided to order a burger as he was leaving. that place that he had no intention of returning to. Yeah.

That was a dick move. Yeah. He just did little shit like that too. Do you think his character changed at all? Do you think there was any growth from start to end? No, I think he remained a douche bag. Isn't that kind of the point? Yeah.

With the end with him just going to work and being like, well, here we go again. Like, nothing's different. That was a fun little adventure. Yeah. It was like, let's never talk about that. Yeah. kind of thing.

If anything, it just convinced him to stay stuck in his routine forever. Yeah. The outside world is scary. One of the issues that I had with the logic towards the end, you know, not just the whole like, oh, she covers the hole near the mouth with one piece of paper and suddenly he can't talk. Like, that felt kind of dumb to me. Yeah.

Yeah, I did cross my mind too. Yeah. There's just like tiny moments where it's like, why did he, why did he, why did he, you know, pull on the rope like he thought he could go somewhere but like you you wouldn't automatically just pull on a rope that's attached to a bucket of glue like you would you theoretically if you're climbing up a rope you would have to see it leading somewhere outside and not just a bucket of glue so that was weird but i mean it i don't know i i felt like there possibly could have been they could have written that a little better there could have been better excuses to get him where he needed to be

at the end of the film. Like, I could have dealt without the paper mache part altogether in that sense. Like, it was a fun callback. Like, oh, yeah, they're stealing it. Another thing, but, like, I don't know. That's where the logic

turned a little annoying for me. Because throughout the entire rest of the film, like, yeah, it's ridiculous and there's no reasonable way that a person would have this kind of night where everything goes this one, horribly wrong and he runs into this many deranged crazy people but in that sense I don't know it still felt like possible it still felt although improbable like something that could happen to the

unluckiest person ever but then just yeah it's near the end it's like eh it it it's afflates the humor when you do something like that because you're just thinking of like why didn't you just do this instead of yeah yeah but at the same time it wasn't it was a joke so yeah but at the same time it wasn't supposed to get more cartoony as it goes along. Like it clearly progressively gets more and more over the top to where like the last 10 minutes is like a farce. And I think that was kind of the point. So I don't know.

If the bar owner was going to close down his bar to check to make sure he was not stealing stuff, then why didn't he just do that in the first place instead of getting him to go to his apartment with the key? reasons just things have to fuck up sort of the goal of the movie and there are some instances

where the excuse is better than others yeah one thing that I found kind of interesting you don't you don't really often see too many shirtless scenes with guys of that figure

and chest hair anymore oh yeah he was a very hairy man Yeah, not just Harry, but like Scronian weird. He's got like a unibrow, too. Cronium weird. I mean, like... Yeah. He's like a very, very atypical protagonist.

Yeah. That's why I liked him. Oh, yeah. It was an odd protagonist. Yeah, it was kind of funny. Yeah, it was kind of neat. I think he had great comedic timing and great delivery as well. Mm-hmm.

All right. What else do we have to say about after hours? It sounds like that's everything we have to say about it. Yeah. I mean, it's a fun little ride. Favorite line in the film? I think it was that one. When the guy gets shot and he says, I'm going to get blamed for that.

Yeah, that was my favorite one as well. Absolutely my favorite. I really enjoyed the... Lady No! My name is Gail! Lady No! I love that little back and forth. Yeah, that was fucking hilarious, too. A lot of great moments.

And I, uh, I don't know, it's difficult to consider. consider this anything but a comedy. Like, yeah, it's dark. But at its heart, I think it is going for laughs. So it's weird, Alex, that you didn't really see it as a super funny movie.

This is normally my exact kind of humor, but I barely laughed. But I wasn't bored or annoyed. Like, I just, it didn't tickle me for some reason. I don't know why. I honestly couldn't tell you. Well, That's that.

It's just a cute little movie. If you had to give it a rating. So there you are. I'd give it a four out of five. I have minor issues with it. But I think it's a really fun movie and really well made. And I love Griffin done. Four out of five.

What do you guys think? I'd give it like a seven. It's kind of like the exact definition of a seven to me. Seven out of five. You're going back to the 10 rating score. It used to be out of five. you're so inconsistent I don't know how we flipped

remember Alex you should not have a rating system at all and you didn't have the one out of ten and I used to have a one out of ten and now I changed the one out of fun I write something on letterboxed I'm giving this a C plus out of six I rate something on letterboxed which is a star system but then people take my score

and turn it into a number anyway so it just can't avoid it but then if I don't commit to something then when we all say a score at the end it's going to be one number and then two star rating. So I'm always like, which should I go with? I normally just say whoever, you know, whatever the first person said, whatever number or star system I've done.

But now I do the star rating. The star system is also a number rating because it's a number of stars out of a greater number of stars. It's still a number rating. I know what I mean. So four out of five. Three and a half stars. There we go. Three and a half stars.

That's the equivalent of a seven, right? Yeah. Exactly. Oh my God, so confusing. I'm giving this one a 7 out of 10. Boy, our ratings were all very similar. Yeah. I don't think I'm going to really think about it again, particularly.

It was cute. It was fun. Yeah, it was fun. I don't think it's one of his best. It's just an enjoyable ride. I think it's a fun little experiment. Scorsese's made so many different kind of movies. Yeah, that's how it fell.

And I love that he made this. I think this is a fun little endeavor. And then he made The Last Temptation of Christ after, I think. Which was like his passion project. Yeah. He went from like this serious, like, religious story to fucking this stupid little movie. I love that. Yeah, I love seeing different directors experiment with different genres.

He has made so many different kinds of movies. It's insane. That's why he's one of my favorites. Mm-hmm. There's some director. that stick with one genre so often or one tone so often that when they break into something else and do it successfully, it's like, holy shit. Like the director of the sisters brothers, like that's easily the funniest movie he's ever made. And it's still depressing in many ways, but that's easily the most comedic one that he's ever made.

And then something like the Cohen brothers and like, no country for old men. It's like that's easily the darkest film that they've made and they pull it off really well. Well, like Scorsese mainly does crime stuff He does it the best 100%. But he's got Hugo Which is a fucking kids movie

And he has Shutter Island Which is like a horror thriller And silence Which is like this weird Trauma I love silence I didn't like the other two I love silence too

You didn't like Hugo? No He was great I didn't like Shutter Island either I think he's fantastic Age of Innocence It looks like a period piece great. Cape Fear.

He's got so many different kinds of styles and genres under his belt. Time for questions. Is it question time, guys? We're going to go into the fine questions that they left on the Sardonicast Reddit on the thread that Ralph normally put I want to mention this week, I didn't put the question thread up.

That was like my thing this week. I wanted to see what would happen. I figured either moderator or Adam I did that intentionally? I did. So every, so every because I change it up every week. One thing changed it up by not doing it?

Yeah. What are you doing? Really subverting expectations here. Oh yeah. It's confusing. There is. It's a, you know, I'm on, I'm on Reddit, you know, often. If I'm going to go on Reddit, I'm going to check either the YMS subreddit or the Sardonicas

subreddit. I noticed like several posts being like, uh, Ralph forgot to put the questions out there. So I had this thought in my head. I figured either the moderators would do it or you would do it. Well, I, it was very nice to message me. I was expecting a message to you in chat. But then I was like, well, I could just do it. So I did it.

You're a little troll, aren't you, Ralph? You're a liar. It was going to end my channel first. Yeah. Anyway, for those who want to get their questions answered, head over to the suggestion thread that may not be there. This week it'll be there, I promise. Oh, you promise.

Because your promises mean so much, Ralph. Yeah, we can never trust you again, I'm afraid. Pinky swears, I don't joke around. Yeah, sure. Pinky swear of a Discord. Yeah, I'm not sure I can reach your pinky from here. What if you're crossing your fingers? We can't see you.

Yeah. That's true. Okay, let's start with one from Junior Green Jr. 99 Who says, who do you think is the biggest asshole in Hollywood and why? Who, boy. Who pops into your mind when you think assholes? Got plenty to choose from.

Yeah, wow. Greilarsson? Wow. No. I don't know. It depends what kind of comment you're going for, because you could say something like Harvey, Weinstein, that's pretty serious.

I would say that's the answer. I'd say he's probably the biggest asshole. Like, that's a good one right there. But if we're talking about people that aren't, like, rapists, then... Yeah, let's try and be more, like, you know, just douchebag kind of artists kind of people

that annoy you kind of level and leave out the actual criminal stuff. Because I feel like there's so many genuine assholes here that I don't want to make fun of, like, just some douchebag. He's, like, harmless, you know? Like, I can say like, oh, Ryan Seacrest or something. But he's not hurting anybody. Unless he did something I'd never heard of.

It's Hollywood. They probably did. Yeah. Some news will come out how he fucking did something horrible. Everyone's going to get Me Too'd eventually. It's fucking Hollywood. Yeah. This is one of the most upvoted questions.

People want to know. Yeah. Biggest assholes. Well. Michael Bay. I don't like. Michael Bay makes really obnoxious

assholey movies Um That's a good way of putting it Yeah I mean I feel JJ Abrams And his involvement

With 10 Cloverfield Lane Makes me feel like he's kind of a fucking asshole I think he just wants to make money I don't think he's an asshole I'm well I mean If money comes before any other principle Then you're kind of an asshole That's true

Well Well, I don't know. If you're trying to keep everybody employed and you want to make the movie do well, you change it to 10 Cloverfield Lane, which is what he did. And I'm sure everyone benefited financially from that, even though the artistic integrity of the movie suffered. But that's, ah, I kind of disagree with you here. It's not like an assholey decision.

It kind of is. It doesn't hurt anybody. It kind of is. You changed the vision of the film, and you basically held this idea of money over this guy's, head and like, oh, you want to make money, don't you? You got to sacrifice your artistic integrity to do that. You know, I don't like that as a concept.

And the power that J.J. Abrams has to be able to promote and market something, he didn't need to change it to Cloverfield, okay? Like, he could just advertise the fuck out of it. He's got power in Hollywood. He didn't need to do that. Advertising works. It really does. And, yeah, changing it to Cloverfield is a form of advertising, for sure.

like it is a part of the marketing and it got people to see it I don't think that that was the only way that could have happened. I think it got a lot of people to see it. I think that's the reason it got like a huge theatrical release like that is because of what he did. I think he's powerful enough that he could give something a huge theatrical release if he just wants it to have one.

Well, it's not just about him. There's other producers involved as well, I'm sure. It's not just like his decision alone. Yeah. And it made fucking $110 million worldwide because of that decision. really gosh well who knows if it would have been successful without that

yeah who knows we'll never know yeah I'm sure we'll never know but if some movie came out called the underground bunker or whatever it didn't have forever it didn't have no fucking money it certainly wouldn't have made $110 million dollars like that other assholes that come to mind

in recent memory Spike Lee the many assuolee things he's done especially I don't know if you guys watched my review but I kept a little clip at the end of him being asked like Oh, so which one of your films would you like to see reimagined or reinterpreted in the future? He's like none Never I would never let that happen to one of my movies like as he's being interviewed for his old boy remake like come on Have some self-awareness dude That makes him a bit of an asshole right there and then some other shit that I don't want to get into too much detail about but I mentioned in my review anyway

Steven Spielberg, his recent comments on Netflix, that's kind of a fucking asshole thing. There's a lot of assholes in Hollywood if we're just going to talk about assholes. Biggest douchebags in Hollywood might be a bit more fitting. I don't see Spielberg as an asshole either. Yeah, you know, I feel like there's people

that fit the bill of douchebag that I'm just not thinking of at this moment and I'll beat myself up about it later. Like Charlie Sheen is an obvious one. I didn't want to. like mention him but I guess he's an obvious one. He's still around here, I think. To be honest, I get a bit of a douchey vibe

from Quentin Tarantino whenever I've seen him in interviews and stuff. In a way, yeah. Yeah, I think he's just kind of a weird guy too. Yeah, exactly. It's just the way he comes across as like, all right, Quentin. He's very eccentric personality. There's that video of like someone recording him with his phone and then like Tarantino try to beat him up or something. Or there's that interview where he screams, I'm shutting your butt down and all that stuff.

Yeah, there's a few cringy moments with him for sure. But he's such a weird guy. Zach Snyder? Yeah, he's sort of artist like, this is my vision. But they make like sucker punch kind of stuff who's like, come on man. You're going right to directors.

I guess we all are. There's no movie stars, no actors. Well Smith is kind of douchey, but I don't hate him No Well Smith's a likable guy I just don't like these movies And when you compare him to Mel Gibson and fucking Come on

The other people in Hollywood were way worse than it Way worse than it Yeah Does this count the like the music industry too? Sure, I guess there's a lot of musicians here Yeah, do it So fucking like Chris Brown Yeah

Oh yeah that's a good one What a fucking asshole Kanye West is kind of an asshole, even though I love his music. He's also like really bipolar. I'm more forgiving when it comes to people. Yeah, he's got... They're just crazy and they, you know, you can't take them too seriously. When it comes to like Chris Brown, it's like, okay, you've had many, many instances where you've been a violent piece of shit and you haven't learned your lesson at all.

And you're trying to pretend you're a victim here in this situation where you've pummeled someone's face in. Come on. that's an asshole thing no remorse whereas conier i just consider him to be very confused yeah but he does a lot of fucking assholey things he does shit all the time i'm gonna let you finish either mean or rude or like why'd you do that yeah why'd you say that about fucking people i consider it very important in my own personal philosophy to assume ignorance before I assume malice. If you're ever confused about whether or not someone's doing something maliciously or because they're stupid, I always just assume stupidity unless I have better reason to assume that they're

being malicious. I think that's a pretty responsible way to view people in general. I think people are often too quick to assume that someone's trying to be malicious when they could just in fact be very ignorant about something. What about someone like Amber Hurd? What do you think of that whole thing with... Oh, is that Johnny Depp's ex? Yeah, the one from McElman.

I'm confused on that whole situation, right? So, from what I know, Johnny Depp, some people say Johnny Depp domestically abused Amber Heard. Yeah, that's the story. But then some people are saying Johnny Depp is innocent and Amber Heard's lying. Well, apparently she abused him. Apparently, like, she almost chopped off one of his fingers or some shit. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, now he's suing her. This whole story is just a mess, so I try to stay out of it. Oh, shit. Which, if that's true, then she's a major, gigantic asshole, obviously. This list can go on forever. I mean, yeah.

This is Hollywood we're talking about here. Yeah. The, the profession of being a famous celebrity, whether it be from acting or music or whatever, it attracts a lot of sociopaths. A lot of people who can manipulate their way to the top and just be complete assholes to everybody. It's the type of thing that sociopaths are attracted to.

Yeah, and they want power and they want to abuse that power. Yeah, exactly. Usually for sex. It's a lot of people here just abusing their power for sex. It's fucked up. Yeah. Not for art. Like Harvey.

Or Bill Cosby, fucking another horrible. well that's just a monster you can't even call him an asshole he's gone too far I'd find that a question easier to answer if it was who in hollywood are you most scared of there are loads of actors I find like I would be really scared of one of them being like christian bail I'm really scared of him for some reason and tom hardy

I'm scared of all these actors I'm like I really like you in these movies but I wouldn't want to interact with you because I'm Because he's seen him freak out before or what? I don't know. They just have a presence. Have you ever seen like Tom Hardy in interviews? He can be quite aloof. So I can imagine like asking an innocent question and then he'd like take it personal or something and just go in.

Did you see the clip of him answering a question at Tiff where somebody asked if he's bisexual or something? And he just fucking destroyed him. They asked about his sexuality in his films. Yeah. That was brilliant. Embarrassed the fuck out of this reporter. Oh, I have an answer for biggest asshole Jennifer Lawrence strikes me as like a douche

Yeah Oh, that's a good one Yeah That's my pick Did you see that one with that journalist That she had a go at Who was like looking at his phone Oh yeah

In one of the interviews But it just turned out he was translating What she was saying So you can understand what was going on It's so bizarre Because when she first came on to the scene With like Winter's Bone And then Hunger Games

she started becoming a really popular actor actress or whatever. Silver Linings Playbook. People fucking loved her. And people saw her like trip and stumble, accepting her Oscar and like, ha ha, she's just like a normal person. She's like us. And then very quickly, the public perception wound up changing when it's, I guess, perceived this way.

I don't know the person, obviously. But it seems as though she just got corrupted by this idea of like fame and self-importance that she just all a sudden started acting like a major douchebag to people like I am on top of the world and you're nothing peasant sort of thing like yeah I think I think that kind of thing

can corrupt people and I'm not sure if that's what happened in this scenario sure but I think that's a very real thing because it's a different world fame makes you think you're like a gob yeah well people treat you like one too that's part of the problem is that people idolize these people to a ridiculous degree and all of a sudden everybody interacting with you is just a yes man who will laugh at every

single shitty joke you make nobody's fucking real you know i think that that does turn people into massive douchebags and it's important and they feel like they can say anything and people will love it and then they say something like in public and everyone goes like what the fuck because like we're not like enabling her yeah yeah yeah people on the internet who aren't constantly trying to suck up You know? Yeah. Who aren't looking to social climb. What the fuck did you say that?

That's just a rude thing to say. And get their script produced. I don't know this story too well, but she was filming a movie in Hawaii. And there was like some like ancient stone or something that was like priceless and really valuable. And she used it to scratch her butt and it fell down a hill and almost killed somebody. What? Yeah, something like that. I've never heard of it.

It really happened. Yeah. It happened while she was filming a movie. I heard about it from forensic. of mine. Yeah, because they were there. So we wouldn't be able to find an article to confirm this and this is just an account. Oh, I don't know. I don't know, but you might.

Okay. Allegedly. Sure, I'll say allegedly. I mean, it's a great fucking story. I'm not, I'm not going to share that. Yeah, who knows? A bunch of, bunch of gigantic douchebags. And, you know, in some ways, it's, I think, think most of it, they're just transformed into these kind of people just based on how other people interact with them. Because everyone sucks up to everybody. Yeah, if everyone's telling you,

you're great all the time. It's a very fake city because everyone wants favors from each other. Exactly. So they're all nice to each other. Everybody is a fucking social, climbing fake asshole. L.A. is fuck. But they all really hate each other. It's like a really sick environment. Yeah. Like literally, everybody's just thinking, like, how can I manipulate this other person. How can I take advantage of this other person and use them basically? I hate Elliot. I am not a fan.

I'm here now, and I've encountered plenty of people like that. I'll visit there again, but Jesus Christ, it's just, it's one of the most depressing places on the planet. Really? No, I don't think it's one of the most depressing places. It's a lot of... It's a lot of... It's like Disneyland. No, it attracts a lot of sick people like

that who were fucked up and sociopaths. There's plenty of good people like anywhere else, but, There's plenty of people who are fucking shitty. I'm not saying everybody in L.A. is that. You know, there's a lot of nice people everywhere, but there's a gigantic concentration of sociopathic manipulative assholes in L.A. That's a good question. Let's do one from the Eog Show,

who says, what is the worst movie title of all time? We have plenty to pick from. Oh, fuck. Oh, my God. I have a good one, start with. You guys remember, Legend of the Guardians, the Owls of Gahoole? Yes. Yes, that's pretty good.

Bad title. Yeah, that's a bad title. The Planet of the Apes movies have terrible titles. The New War for the Planet of the Apes. You should not have two of those in a title. Yeah. Yeah, that's a bit much. Just Rats of the Apes.

Dawn of the Apes. What's wrong with that? But then it doesn't have Planet of the Apes in the title and it can't connect to the previously existing property. This is by the Apes. It doesn't have Planet of the Apes in the title. So earlier I was talking with my roommates a few days ago about the Seltzer and Friedberg guys. That, uh... Oh, movie.

No, uh... Date movie. Epic movie, disaster movie, all that bullshit, yeah. And so they have a title in, uh... production. I might have mentioned this a while ago on the podcast. I don't know if this is actually happening. Their newest film is titled Star Worlds Episode

XXXIVE equals MC2 colon The Force Awakens the last Jedi who went rogue. That's an awful awful title. I thought they'd gone. I thought they'd still around are they? Yes. I thought they made

their money around. Well it's listed on I'm to be they've been making movies that nobody's been watching. They made a parody of on the Furious called Super Fast in 2015. They made a Hunger Games parody, the starving games. Nobody watched that. I think people just got sick of them. I have a good one.

Have you guys ever heard of in-app-appropriate comedy? Oh, that's terrible. That's the name of it. Yeah. Because the movie takes place within an app or something, so it's in-app appropriate. Fuck, it's such a stretch. Any kind of title that references, internet culture in a way is bound

to be shitty. Hashtag horror? Fuck off. Sophie from hell. Yeah, selfie from hell. Jesus. There's too many terrible titles out there that fit that bill. I just hate the bland like one word once. Like a doction or something. Like, you know those?

Unfriended. Yeah. Unfriended is really bad. No, unfriended's an okay one. No, that's really lame. It gets the point across for sure, but it is pretty fucking lame. unfriended dark web that's a good title yeah yeah that's a terrible one undeniable yeah unfriended is like a goofy

horror title like if you're making like a horror comedy you call it unfriended you know like the fact that they made that the title for a serious horror movie is funny it's a stupid pun yeah that is funny yeah there's a there's a bunch of there I really dislike

Batman vs Superman. Dawn of Justice. I think that's such a bad title. You could put versus. You could put VS. Yeah, why not just Batman versus Superman? Why be it around the bush? And dawn of justice, is it?

I don't like Phantom Menace. I don't like that title. I don't understand. It doesn't feel like a Star Wars title. The Phantom Menace, yeah. It just seems like off with the rest of them. It's like you just got, you just, yeah, I went on Thesaurus.com and was just searching for big words and it was like, yeah, Phantom. Is there a Phantom?

Menace? I think it's... Is Darth Mall the Phantom Menace? No, it's not Darth Mall. Surely it's the Chancellor, or Palpatine, or ever, right? Surely that's the Phantom Menace,

because he's the one that, like, turns. I guess. I don't know. The fact we even have to, like, question it is like, what? You know who the half-ler princes is in Harry Potter. But it's like a new hope, Revenge of the Sith. Those are good fucking titles.

Mm-hmm. Phantom Menace? I don't know. It's just me, then. Maybe. No, you're right. There's a title of a 1984 film that has turned into a meme, but it's a real movie title. Break into Electric Bugaloo.

Yeah, that's a great title. That's great. That's my favorite title. Do you guys remember that movie with Lucy Lou? Ballistic X versus Sever? Is that it? What? Ballistic X versus Sever?

Yeah. That is awful. I can't even tell what you're sorry. saying. You having a stroke right now? In Tonya Bairis is in it? One I can't stand is triple X. I think that's such a bad title. However, it's secretly genius

because if you try and torrent the film, you will find nothing but porn. It is an anti-piracy title. I wouldn't be surprised. So I've got the bottom 100 movies open. There's number four. We got the haughty and the naughty starring Parasdolm. Oh, that's a yeah.

Lennar Part 6 is probably on there. Fucking awful film. Awful title. There aren't even six of them. Yeah. That was the one stuck out to me the most, I guess. I don't see a lot of. What about that Tom Cruise movie that has such bad names? They keep changing the bad name to worse names. The Edge of Tomorrow or Live Di Repeat or whatever new one They came up with recently.

So bad. That was so dumb. Speed 2, cruise control. Yeah, a lot of sequels have terrible, like Garfield, the Tale of Two Kitties. Oh, my God, Alvin and the Chipmunks

chip wrecked. Yeah, chip wrecked. And the squeakwell. The squeakwell. Oh, my God. Road chip. Yeah, the road chip. That one's not clever at all.

I think a lot of terrible titles exist as like the subtitle part of the title. It's too easy. They have no restraint. This time it's personal. Any more? Should we do a different one? I think we can move on. We've got some pretty good ones in there.

Yeah. Okay. B-Dog-1-71 asks, What live action movie would be better if it were animated flings into your brain? Hmm. This is a good question. Would it be better animated? Yeah.

A live action movie that would be better if it were animated. I think any live action movie that has terrible CG in it would be better if it were animated because then everything would at least feel consistent if the whole thing was CG or something. Yeah. My answer would be, yeah, all these stupid big blockbusters, like the new Pacific Ruebusters. like the new Pacific Rim movie or anything that requires that amount of CG work to the point where it's basically already an animated movie but you have these human actors in it so it just it looks terrible and it breaks your brain because of the you can tell how crappy it looks because

they're not real what would be significantly improved by animation I think is uh Hulirian yeah something like that thousand planets yeah I think if that was like 2D animated the It would be less uncanny valley, and you wouldn't have to deal with, like, Dandahun. Probably less expensive, too. Less expensive. Yeah. Like, I just feel like it would have just been better overall. I think a lot of super hero movies would be better animated.

It fits that, like, tone better if it was, because, you know, being a... Look how good Spider-Ver was with its presentation. That's the kind of thing you could be seeing instead of, like, venom. Yeah. Right. Well, I can imagine that Jared Leto Morpheus movie is coming out next. That's going to be the next funny one, supposedly. You can just picture how awful and bland it's going to look.

At least if it was animated, it might be a little bit interesting from a visual level. There are some movies I'd like to see animated. I don't think they'd be better. But, like, Blade Runner would be cool if it was like an animated, 2D animated movie. What, the new one or the original? Any of them, either of them. It's just that world is cool. I wouldn't want to see that one animated.

The whole charm is like the set design and special effects and props. Yeah, sure. But the 2D, that'd be cool too. It's all the scenes. It's the same world. It's just 2D animated. You can explore it differently. And I like that 2D Blade Runner short they made before the new movie came out.

That was the best one out of the three that they made, those three shorts. How about lover? Yeah, I guess. That would have been cool, 2D animated. Anime. It's not really. Nothing that like extravagant in it. Yeah, I would want it to be an anime.

There's, there's a lot of animated movies that exist where you wouldn't even imagine that conceptually it would work super well as an animated movie, but it does. Like there was that documentary called Tower and they animated that. Yeah, that was great. It benefited it very well and it, you know, it had a sense of purpose towards it being presented in that way. There's like some, I guess, link later films like, uh, waking. life and Scanner Darkly.

That, you know, it adds a lot to the experience, the rotoscoping and there's a lot more that they can do with it because of that. Any movie could be animated, but it all depends on how much purpose there is towards it being presented in that way. Because there's so many movies that exist that are animated that also might as well not be. There's movies that exist where the animation, it's just like, okay, well, this is, you know, just like a bland kind of standardized animated movie that could have been live action.

There wasn't really any point to it being animated. Like anything illumination is made, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like a mega mind? Like a lot of DreamWorks movies are like that. Boss baby. As much as I like how to train your dragon, I guess that could be live action.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, interesting thing to think about anyway. I just, it's annoying that animation is kind of considered. did a genre for like instead of a just a technique yeah yeah for telling a story because when you get films like Anomalisa which are animated but they're still adult and can deal with such interesting themes like it's so so expressive you can do anything well like mary and max who talked about on the cast or a fantastic planet it's just endless the possibilities for it there's a lot of

really great interview clips with Charlie Kaufman and Duke Johnson on Anomalisa, where they talk about kind of their gripes with the Oscars and being in the same category as Pixar's inside out when in reality, they're completely fucking different movies. Yeah, they couldn't be more different. Yeah, go search up those interview clips later. They're really worth watching. Okay, we have a question that's kind of been buzzing around, and I see a lot of people talking about it in the community.

This is from Sirman 5152. And we've kind of talked about it before, but this is based around these Michael Jackson allegations. And if they're true, for example, can you separate the art from the artist and can you still enjoy his music or more broadly, you know, anything along these lines, whether it be finding out about Kevin Spacey and what he did and, you know, there are countless examples at this point.

Yeah, that's a hard one. I personally don't find it difficult at all to separate art from the artist. There's very rare instances where I find myself contradicting that, like Chris Brown. You know, I mentioned before him doing collaborations with Lil Dickie and with Joyner Lucas kind of made me not like those two artists as much. Because it didn't feel necessary at the same time. And I don't even think that Chris Brown's music is all that great. I was just like, oh, why are you doing this? But I don't know, when it comes, I can still love a great Roman Polansky film.

And Michael Jackson's music sure is fucking catchy. I don't think that because a person might be a monster, I don't think that that means that their artistic work is any less valuable. Because I think that that's a completely separate conversation. Yeah, I just think people have an issue when these horrible people are profiting. while still being able to get away with it. I think that's the issue people have. Yeah.

When you're appreciating art from people who are, you know, decades or hundreds of years dead, it doesn't really cost you a mind, does it? If you're appreciating a painting from someone who might have been like a serial killer or whatever. Now the money is just going to Michael Jackson's relatives. Yeah. So I think that does make a difference. Yeah.

Yeah, but at the same time, I also feel like, what, they're rich anyway? What are you going to do? Like, cut them off? Like, oh, no, boohoo. I'm going to cry in my pile of money in my mansion. Like Harvey Weinstein's fucking fine. It doesn't matter if he's going to produce another movie in the rest of his life. Like it doesn't really matter.

It just feels almost useless. I don't have a guilty conscience watching a Weinstein company produced movie. There's the difference. Whereas like Michael Jackson, the link with, because filmmaking is so collaborative, you know, with Michael Jackson and his music,

there's more of a sort of personal connection there. People think it really, Literary, don't they? That's what I was going to say. I think it depends on the art, too. Like, stand-up comedians and singers, I think it's harder to separate than, like, an actor in a movie or, like, Kevin Spacey's an actor in a movie.

There are tons of other people who work on a movie. Exactly. And sort of, like, to value the whole, to devalue, like, all of American beauty because he's in it, I don't know. I think that's kind of fucked up. Like, Louis C.K., he's a stand-up comedian, and what he says coming out of his mouth,

is what he thinks. It's a little more personal. Yeah, he is his product. Yeah, it's a complicated issue, that's for sure. And there's no solid answer, because it basically varies based on the person. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, if somebody's committed a crime,

they shouldn't escape justice, right? So if they serve their time and you still enjoy their movies or their music or whatever, then fuck it, why not? It's not like they're getting that much, much richer off of people buying their shit and boycotting doesn't really work.

No. We've got a couple more here. Let's do one from the movie Supreme who asks a relevant question. Have you ever had a movie that you can't assign a number value to for any reason? So I mentioned

this earlier. I had trouble with climax. Have you guys ever struggled with trying to assign a number to something? There's a certain threshold that gets passed for me when a movie is so bad that it's great. Like Neil Brain Films, I'm always going to rate a 10, even though it might, you know, it's difficult to consider it like a 10 out of 10 movie from the same standard that I would call a normal 10 out of 10 movie. You know, it's obviously in a different category. I don't really feel like rating it a 1, though, because I love it.

I love fateful findings to death. So that would be an instance for me where it's like, okay, I'm giving it a 10 because I can't really assign a number to it. And I love it. I compare it to like a deck of cards and like the room or something like that. It's like an ace. It's the lowest it could get. It's like one, but it's also the highest card. Like you can get so bad that you become the best.

That's a good analogy. That's how those movies are. That's a great way putting in it. What about something that isn't in the realm of being so bad, more just something where you're conflicted somewhat? I don't experience that as often, because if it isn't in the realm of being so bad, then I will always try to consider its artistic merit. So there's films that exist that are movies that I don't like, kind of, you know, where I just, I don't want to watch them, not because they made me feel something like. climax, but because I don't enjoy the experience, but if I can see some artistic value in it and understand that there's some purpose to it, I'm not going to give it like a negative rating

if I feel like, you know, it was what it was going for, I guess, depending on the film. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't have much issue thinking of ratings. If it's like something really out there and experimental, I like, I largely go based on my personal opinion of it. yeah you enjoy like how much I enjoyed it

yeah that's about it it just sometimes bugs me how people don't really appreciate how your tastes and opinions of things kind of can change

over time so scores will change and you can't you can't hold it over someone if maybe they dislike something you like but then later on grow it to appreciate it

or the opposite so sometimes I find it tough assigning a value to that maybe one day I might think it's worth that but then I never think it's something else, you know. Mm-hmm. All right, one more question.

Last one from the irritated critic, who I've seen asking this question, like, every week's, or every bi-weekly thread. He wants to know, what are our thoughts on the controversial movie Watchman from 2009? There you go, irritated critic. I pose the question.

There's things I really like about it. There's things that I don't like. about it. Yeah. It's very inconsistent. Yeah, I'm pretty mixed on it too. We all mixed on it. Yeah, I think so.

It's amazing source material. The source material is great. This is what saves it. Because I think without that. The visual effects are really good and the design of everything. Like the look of the movie's great because Zach Snyder's good at that. But like the acting and the makeup and the interpretation of some of the characters is really off. And like most of the changes.

changes he made, I think were for the worst. Yeah. That awful sex scene. Yeah, that's embarrassing about it. In the book, it's two panels, and it's so excessive in the movie. Yeah. Totally. Yeah, it's farcical, yeah, that moment.

Yeah. It's like what Watchman's, like, critiquing is that kind of excessive violence and sexuality. And he just did it, like, with no irony. That's kind of funny. It was very odd. Yeah, it's very odd. Because he's Zach Snyder, because he doesn't really understand.

what he's making. He never does. That's why he's, that's why I hate him. Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, I enjoy that it's a R-rated, brutal, kind of not sugar-coated superhero movie in a sense. I enjoy that there's like death and gore and penises, you know, things that you don't often see. But it's excessive, too. It goes too far, I think, with it. Yeah, in ways.

I haven't read the source, but it's, it's. Oh, but we're rated R, so we're super violent, it's super, everyone curses all the time, and everyone's naked all the time. It's like, it's fun to me. You're defeating the purpose of the source. It's just edgy for the sake of being edgy, yeah. I could see that. How do you feel about the change from the big space alien from the comic at the end to it being like a nuke at the end that kind of changes everything? I guess it works better for movie.

Yeah, I've always thought that. I don't know how they could have pulled off that big squid alien thing. Yeah. That was one of the less less annoying parts of it. Yeah, it's just people really seem to like love the movie.

It's like a marmite of movies. I've seen so many people going about how good it is. But yeah, there's too many bad things. Warshack is a great character and what's the name of the after he plays him? He did a great job.

It is Jackie, Earl Haley. Yeah, Earl Haley. That's the one. Yeah, he was great. And the guy played Dr. Manhattan, too, was fantastic. And I love the scene where it showed his origin story. And it's the default glass.

Yeah, that was really good. That's probably one of the best scenes in his whole catalog, his whole filmography. Yeah, it's not complete bullshit. No, there's a lot of merit to it. It's got lots of cool stuff. It's probably one of his best movies. Yeah. That and Dawn of the Dead.

Yeah. But, yeah, I wish it was better. I think of different. director had taken it, it would have been better. Yeah, no, I agree. Maybe he should have stick being like a DP or something. Yeah, because the visual style is down, which is, he basically lifted it from the comic. It's like his whole schick, isn't it?

He did the same of BVS, but it's like, it didn't really work out for that one. He can't tell a story. He just doesn't understand how to tell a story or if my characters, I think sense. Yeah. Yeah, he's a bad director of house. The makeup is really bad, the old age makeup on fucking people when they're like later on, like the heroes who get old. It looks off. It looks so fake.

Yeah, I also haven't seen this movie since probably like 2010. So I probably need to rewatch it. Really? I've seen it somewhat recently a few years ago. I suppose he's surprised. Yeah, maybe we could be revisited at some point. Because I think there's like a director's cut as well or something. Yeah.

I'm sure the comments will. Yeah Release the Snyder cut Any good or not No Maybe yeah That's all the questions I have Is that a nice chunk

So there you are Who's got a movie Alex Is it me now It is Yeah I guess so Nice Okay

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Fuck you He's wrong Fuck you You're like I didn't ban you. Yeah, I was like, well, is that true, no? No. How could that be too? It worked out fine.

You go ahead, recommend your movie. Yeah. Okay. I want to talk about a movie, I'm pretty sure neither of you have seen. Okay. The Dark Crystal. I want to do it.

Oh, cool. Have you guys seen it? No, but it's one of my friends' favorite movie. Oh, really? I saw the other one. gotta see it. Oh, labyrinth? Yeah, labyrinth.

But a long... It's very different to labyrinth. Yeah. Cool. I've seen some clips from this one, for sure. I think there'll be some interesting discussion around this movie. Great. Okay, cool.

Yeah. I won't... Yeah, so watch that if you don't want it spoiled. Jim Henson shit. And be prepared to be freaked out. Yeah, I think there were some clips of this film in my childhood trauma collaboration. video. Yeah, the one I made was about this movie. Yeah. I think you and I think the odd ones out also included this one. Yeah, he did it as well. Yeah. So it's traumatized a lot of

children. Some Muppet shit. Damn's true. I'll enjoy this. I think. We'll see. We'll see. I hope you do. Nice. Okay, cool. If any of you listening. Want to not be spoiled for the dark crystal. Next episode, you should watch it before the next episode comes out in two weeks from now. If you would like to support the show, $2 a month on sardonicast.com, sign up for premium. You'll get these episodes early. Also, patreon.com slash sardonicast. Also, our merch. Do we have, is it working yet? I'm in an email chain currently trying to sort of. We'll have merch. The Spotify is working very well.

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